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Your name is Shu.

Her name is Isabelle.

The girl lying at your feet, the girl broken and shattered in the aftermath of her quest for something that could never exist...she knew you by a different name. You were strangers, then friends, then lovers in a past that wasn't yours to recall, a past that doesn't belong to you. You were a monster, before you died. She was a child, stricken with a hunger to be loved in a way that true love doesn't sate. You found each other, and both of you were made all the worse for it.

This is the past that was stolen from you by her own hand.

Now, in the depths of a planet overrun with flesh and sinew you stand, staring down at the remains of a girl who still fights to draw breath from a body you destroyed. You'd be surprised, but she's a fighter...she always has been. She fought for love before the world ended, and she fought to keep her broken mind and shattered heart intact at the end of all things, holding on to a misplaced sliver of hope for two long, maddening years. She fought to trick a god, and ascended to heights the likes of which none have ever known. She fought...and lost everything, at your hands and her own. She was never going to win, and now, at the end...she knows..

She was wrong, and it was all for nothing.

Your name is Shu.

Her name is Isabelle.

And this is where her story rests.

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You draw in a breath, holding it for a long moment before exhaling the cool, stale air back into the city of Almath. Your allies stand in silence around you, waiting for you to act. Gina's behind you, but even with your bond she feels distant in this moment, a million miles away as your mind works to process what to even say to the god you just felled. Except...she's no god, not anymore. She's no mastermind, no grand foe with a terrible plan. She never was.

Isabelle's just human. Terribly, painfully human.

She's just a girl who longed to be loved, to be happy. To that end, she lied, killed, and destroyed anything that would stop her from attaining a fruit that was always doomed to be rotten and sour, blind to the family she could have attained had she opened her eyes. She made herself a monster because she wanted to be loved, to feel a warped and twisted parody of the real thing, the real emotion that you and others would have given freely if she'd seen things for how they truly were.

You feel a pang of anger in your heart, a deep-seated rage at what she's done to you, to your family. You feel pity, regret for a girl that you'd have given the world to if she'd just opened up to you before everything went so terribly wrong. You feel guilt, guilt over the actions of the person you once were and what she did to bring the two of you to this point. You're a different person entirely from the monster called Sam. You know this. It's a fact you cling to, to help guide you in your darkest moments. You're a good person, a kind person, and you fight every day to be better...but still, a past you'd prefer wasn't yours still holds a vice-like grip on your here and now. You just want to be done with this, with everything. You're done with the past...but your past isn't quite done with you.

Looking down at the sobbing girl at your feet, it hits you, as tears roll down cracking cheeks from the depths of fading emeralds.

You and she...you're both human. You've made your decisions. You've lived with your outcomes. You'll die with the consequences. Her, here and now. You, someday. You can only hope you made more good ones than bad, before death comes for you...and it will come. It's here, for the girl that could have been your best friend and greatest ally if things had just gone a little differently. If you'd said this. If she'd done that. If you both had...

...the 'what ifs' could haunt you forever, if you let them.

All you can do in this moment is come to terms with the cold, hard facts that stare up at you as you gaze into Isabelle's eyes.

Her journey's over. Yours will continue.

All that's left is closure.

You draw in a breath...and speak.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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>>3660661
>Sigh, and let your shoulders drop.
>meet her eyes, and shake your head.
>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that. If what I could offer wasn't good enough for you...well, then I accept that. I'm sorry, B'Ni. You deserved better than Sam, yeah. But I'm not her, and I can't bear the responsibility for her sins."
>Walk up to her, and sit down next to her, never turning away from her eyes.
>"Just...be at peace. Please. I don't want this to end with us angry and bitter at each other, still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"
>"I am. So I'm going to try to let you go, B'Ni. And I hope you can let me go, too."
>"Goodbye, Isabelle."
>Let her die, on her own time, as peacefully as she will allow herself to.

Text courtesy of another Anon, but felt too empty without a little bit of body movement in it.
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>>3660661
We sing the following lyrics word for word

Why is James cryin'
Cuz he just got dunked on
I ain’t even lyin'
Yo, he just got dunked on
Yep yep, he was standin' in the way
So I jumped up in the air and I dunked it on his face
Why is James cryin'
Cuz he just got dunked on
I ain’t even lyin'
Yo, he just got dunked on
Yep yep, he was standin' in the way
So I jumped up in the air and I dunked it on his face
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>>3660661
>Kneel down next to Isabelle.
>Remove what remains of her mask if there is any, exposing her fangs.
>"You were my first friend, Isabelle. I never wanted it to come to this if it was possible to resolve it peacefully."
>"And I did love you. Just not in the way you wanted me to."
>"But despite everything, I still care. I wanted my friend back and I don’t want to see you hurt. I’m a fool that wanted to see the best in you and hoping you’d prove it."
>Hug her closer.
>"So where do we go from here?"
>"You can just let go and be at peace. You’ll never have to worry about anything again, no guilt or regrets. Only your memories in the Cord will remain. No one, not me or Sam, will ever disturb you again."
>"You could help me end this whole Crucible. Give me your core and be my partner again, to better help others and stop this madness. And maybe someday, when our scars have healed, we could try again. Have a fresh start and let go of the tainted past. To have a better future instead, as family."
>"Of this at least, in the end, you are in control. I’ll respect your wishes."

There was talk about letting her choose. And I want to see the text for that new core since its likely the crystallization of her last thoughts and will in her final moments, now that everything that's happened and she's done hit her.
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>>3660669
Poignant enough. I kinda want to stay there until she croaks, though.
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>>3660689
oh, totally what that was supposed to imply we were doing with that last line, my bad if it came off differently.
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)
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>>3660661

I will support this>>3660669
for this reason:

Isabelles Arc is over she had her Build Up(Prolog), she had her Climax(Fight that lost us Gina), had another Climax(fighting us in Almath) and then now has an Epilogue(dying right in front of Shu). And only now in her Epilogue has she showed anything resemebling acceptance that she screwed up royaly.

To make a quote: "Only in Death does duty end". And Isabelle has done her duty as our guide and introduction to the Quest.
Now let her rest and die her final death. We do not need a guide anymore that protects us from the dangers of the Crucible, we do not need a mommy that saves us without us even knowing. Now we are independent and do not need a guide anymore.
While keeping her around may sound merciful at the surface...... (Well if there is such a thing as hell Isabelle is gonna be there but we will not know). I would not be it would be torture for both of them.
It is also my opinon that ISabelle jsuts wants to rest without having to remember
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>>3660661
>Sit down next to Isabelle and gently move what's left of her onto your lap (using the gentlest methods, Neuromancy Terraforming, Almath's City empathetic assistance), with Isabelle's head resting on your thigh as a lap pillow. Look at Isabelle in the eyes and stroke her hair.
>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I love you Isabelle, I loved you as a family. I loved you as a sister."
>Open up the empathy channel to Isabelle, let your feelings flow to her.
>"You were my first friend, Isabelle. I never wanted it to come to this if it was possible to resolve it peacefully."
>The bitterness of her rejection of your repeated attempts to reconcile with her.
>"If what I could offer wasn't good enough for you...well, then I accept that. I'm sorry, B'Ni."
>The regret that keeps lingering in your mind with repeated wishful thoughts of "what-ifs"
>"We both know you deserved better than Sam, but I'm not her and I can't bear the responsibility for her sins."
>The guilt that you held tightly in your heart ever since she left the family,
>The anger you had when she attacked your family, when she killed Gina, and brought them to death's door.
>"I don't want this to end with us angry and bitter at each other, still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"
>The happiness that Isabelle finally opened her eyes to clarity and snapped out if her delusions.
>"Yet despite everything, I still care. I wanted my friend back and I don’t want to see you hurt. I’m a fool that wanted to see the best in you and hoping you’d prove it."
>The sheer exhaustion that weighs on your shoulders from your mind and heart at war with each other with all the emotions.
>"So where do we go from here?"
>"You can just let go and be at peace. You’ll never have to worry about anything again, no guilt or regrets. Only your memories in the Cord will remain. No one, not me or Sam, will ever disturb you again."
>"You could help me end this whole Crucible. Give me your core and be my partner again, to better help others and stop this madness. And maybe someday, when our scars have healed, we could try again. Have a fresh start and let go of the tainted past. To have a better future instead, as family."
>"I'll leave this decision to you Isabelle."
>Put a Neuromancy Jack into Isabelle so she could send us her last thoughts and wishes.
>The sadness you wear on your face seeing your oldest friend dying in your lap.
>"Sleep. You must be so tired from everything."
>In Isabelle's final moment, show her the familial love that had always been reserved for her. Bathe her in the warm and comfortable feeling.
>"Goodnight...Isabelle."

>>3660669
>>3660682
I like bits of both of these. >>3660669's finality and acceptance of a relationship ending this way, and >>3660682's inclusion of giving Isabelle one last wish, a choice that she has 100% agency over with a simple thought.
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>>3660701
not a bad write-in, but feels a bit word heavy for someone on their deathbed last seen gurgling on blood a bit.

>>3660701
>>3660682
i also dont like
>"You can just let go and be at peace. You’ll never have to worry about anything again, no guilt or regrets. Only your memories in the Cord will remain. No one, not me or Sam, will ever disturb you again."
>"You could help me end this whole Crucible. Give me your core and be my partner again, to better help others and stop this madness. And maybe someday, when our scars have healed, we could try again. Have a fresh start and let go of the tainted past. To have a better future instead, as family."
and not in this based because im on the side of not keeping Isabelle, but because they feel too...gah, damn my dyslexia, im gonna say 'convoluted' but i know thats not the word im going for. if you do want to give Isabelle her options, i feel you can have more impact shortening it somehow for her, not just because her time is short, but because it feels like a mouthful that could get the emotion across better if somehow condensed down into just the core principles of each choice, if that makes any sense.
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>>3660661
Supporting>>3660701
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>>3660682
Taking>>3660710 into consideration, I'll make changes.

>Kneel down next to Isabelle.
>Remove what remains of her mask if there is any, exposing her fangs.
>"You were my first friend, Isabelle. I never wanted it to come to this if it was possible to resolve it peacefully."
>"And I did love you. Just not in the way you wanted me to."
>"But despite everything, I still care. I wanted my friend back and I don’t want to see you hurt. I’m a fool that wanted to see the best in you and hoping you’d prove it."
>Hug her closer.
>"So where do we go from here?"
>"You can just let go and be at peace. You’ll never have to worry about anything again, no guilt or regrets."
>"You could give me your core and be my partner again me, to end this whole Crucible. To prevent others from suffering like we have."
>"Of this at least, in the end, you are in control. I’ll respect your wishes."

Is this better?
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>>3660701
Like >>3660710
pointed out if feels a bit wordy for someone on their Deathbed

>It is your Choice either die in piece and rest forever or help me end this madness and stay with me and we try to heal our scars together.
>Either way the Coice is yours and i will not take it from you

Maybe something like this would be better. While i think Isabelles Arc is over and should not get revived i do want to give her a coice which we could easily even with the other write in but here it is spelled out for her
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>>3660715
>>3660717
i mean, both of these are better yes.

i just still prefer
>>3660669
because i do think one feeling in the other one is...well, i could post then giant block of text ive got prepared for later, but a good sum point for now is, i feel like Shu letting go of Isabelle and moving on makes sense and is extremely healthy for her. clinging to Isabelle with obsession just like she did us wont do us or Isabelle any good, and Shu admitting to that is something wholly lacking from the write-in giving her a choice. the two might just not be compatible though is the thing.
i also dont think she deserves a hug or laying in our lap.

as for help, like i said, both of those are better. maybe also something like...
>"Im Tired Isabelle, and I know where im going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."
>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."
>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."
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>>3660726
I'm fine with that. I feel like Shu would offer a chance at atonement if it's at all possible and give them the agency to seize it, but won't judge if living with one's sins is too painful and they want to just end it to stop causing and feeling pain.
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>>3660735
i mean, its your choice, both to back one or the other, or keep trying to combine them into a compromise that gets both feelings wanted across.

i guess im just better at focusing on one goal/emotion than trying to combine them personally.
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>>3660726
Okay, this I can agree upon as our last line of dialogue.
>i also dont think she deserves a hug or laying in our lap.
How about terraforming the ground so that it conforms to her body like a foam mattress?
>>3660710
>>3660715

I apologize for the apparent wall of text. I was trying to weave the dialogue with the emotions that Shu shows to Isabelle between each line through the empathy channel.
I'm still for showing Isabelle the weight of emotions that resides within Shu so how about this?

>Terraform the ground so that it has the softness of a foam mattress (complete with a head pillow)
>Open up the empathy channel to Isabelle, let your feelings flow to her.
>The bitterness of her rejection of your repeated attempts to reconcile with her
>The guilt that you held tightly in your heart ever since she left the family,
>The anger you had when she attacked your family, when she killed Gina, and brought them to death's door.
>The happiness that Isabelle finally opened her eyes to the truth
>The regret that keeps lingering in your mind with repeated wishful thoughts of "what-ifs"
>The sadness you wear on your face seeing your oldest friend dying in your lap.
>All of it replaced by sheer exhaustion.

>"Im Tired Isabelle, and I know where im going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."
>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."
>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."
>Insert a Neuromancer cord into Isabelle, open a neuromancy channel so she can give her answer with a simple thought without having to speak.
>When Isabelle's last breath leaves her and she dies: "Goodnight...Isabelle."
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>>3660743
if i put something in spoilers, its alright to not bend to it, usually it means i understand its a useless opinion or something directed so heavily towards one person i dont want to distract everyone with it.

but i suppose for giving Isabelle a choice, thats good.
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>>3660743

>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."


This feels a bit wordy. We do not need to tell her that we would take her core and she would be in our head as a dreamdaughter. She knows that better than we do probably. Reducing it to a single line that asks her if she wants to continue or not is probably better

Something like
> "Now it is your choice to either find final peace or try to work together with us to make the Future a better place. Maybe we can find closure together"

>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."
This is fine great even
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>>3660742
Gimme a moment.

>>3660661
>Sit down next to Isabelle and gently move what's left of her onto your lap.
>"I never told you this, but I thought the fangs were cute."
>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that. I loved you, and I wanted my first friend back."
>"I don't want this to end with us angry and bitter at each other, still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"
>"Im Tired Isabelle, and I know where im going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."
>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."
>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."

Or this>>3660743 can work for a more introspective option. Has the least amount of dialogue but still gets the point across.
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Currently rereading the kiss or slap passage, by the way. Just for a bit more perspective and to remember happier times.
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>>3660754
remove the Fangs part. feels out of place and kinda...dickish, as this entire thing is based around how we didn't love her? might give the wrong impression to the poor girl in her dying state.

but otherwise, yeah i like it.
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>>3660761
romantically love her, mind you.
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>>3660701
amending my vote:
>Terraform the ground so that it has the softness of a foam mattress (complete with a head pillow)
>Sit down next to Isabelle and look at her in the eyes.
>Open up the empathy channel to Isabelle, let your feelings flow to her.
>The bitterness of her rejection of your repeated attempts to reconcile with her
>The guilt that you held tightly in your heart ever since she left the family,
>The anger you had when she attacked your family, when she killed Gina, and brought them to death's door.
>The happiness that Isabelle finally opened her eyes to the truth
>The regret that keeps lingering in your mind with repeated wishful thoughts of "what-ifs"
>The sadness you wear on your face seeing your oldest friend dying in your lap.
>All of those conflicting emotions suddenly replaced by sheer exhaustion.

>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that. I loved you as a sister, a family, and I wanted my first friend back."
>"I don't want this to end with us angry and bitter at each other, still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"
>"I'm tired Isabelle, and I know where I'm going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."
>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."
>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."
>Insert a Neuromancer cord into Isabelle, open a neuromancy channel so she can give her answer with a simple thought without having to speak.
>When Isabelle's last breath leaves her and she dies: "Goodnight...Isabelle."

>>3660761
>>3660754
Okay. How about this as a good marriage of our parting words? All the introspection in the first half followed by the succinct and clear dialogue (the Fangs part removed and clarification of how we loved her [as a Sister and Family]) and a final farewell that says a goodbye to Isabelle, but leaves the door open for a chance that Isabelle might comeback depending on her choice.
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>>3660764
I know. I still actually liked that gif with the fangs, personally. And I figured since she had issues with changing her body to be less human, maybe she'd be a bit relieved on some level that we never judged her on how she looked, and could still find her pretty regardless. But if it's out of place then I'll remove it, no problem.
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>>3660772
>>3660761
Oh fuck. that reminds me. Isabelle still has that Tier 1 relic on her face.
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>>3660774
I did mention it>>3660682
>Remove what remains of her mask if there is any, exposing her fangs.

Crazy to think that Rath's tier 1 gift that might be the first thing she made would've survived everything up until now.
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>>3660772
eh....i just feel best not to mention it. just in case, its best to avoid potential whiplash of her emotions. last thing she needs is her heart skipping a beat as she misinterprets that for a moment. she is still Isabelle, afterall.

>>3660770
replace the terraforming with just putting her in our lap or just sitting next to her. not sure we can change the softness of stone honestly.

otherwise, feels...odd, to have the Emotion segment so separate, i think it would flow better if we slotted them in somehow to fit into the main body better. but im not sure, maybe it would look a bit messy again then.

>>3660774
>>3660782
im not so sure the relic is that important honestly.
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>>3660782
Well it is difficult to destroy even low tier relics. Which is why Julia has an ability for it.... We could feed that Relic to her see what exactly she gets out of it (if the relic survived till now)
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>>3660786
I've worked my magic to try and interlace the emotions that we show to Isabelle accompanied by the following dialogue. In order to not confuse the lines of dialogue with the emotions I've double spaced the write-in for clarity.

>>3660661
Amending my vote:
>Sit down next to Isabelle and gently move what's left of her onto your lap.

>Open up the empathy channel to Isabelle, let your feelings flow to her.

>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that."

>Show her the familial love you always reserved for her.

>"I loved you as a family, as a sister, and I wanted my first friend back."

>Reveal the guilt that you held tightly in your heart ever since she left the family.

>"I don't want this to end-"

>Reveal the sadness you wear on your face seeing your oldest friend dying in your lap.

>"-with us angry and bitter at each other-"

>Show her bitterness of her rejection of your repeated attempts to reconcile with her

>'-still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me."

>Recall the anger you had when she attacked your family, when she killed Gina, and brought them to death's door. Let it show through your emotions.

>All of those conflicting emotions suddenly replaced by sheer exhaustion.

>"It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"

>"I'm tired Isabelle, and I know where I'm going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."

>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."

>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you cant come to terms with what happened."

>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."

>Insert a Neuromancer cord into Isabelle, open a neuromancy channel so she can give her answer with a simple thought without having to speak.

>When Isabelle's last breath leaves her and she dies: "Goodnight...Isabelle."
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>>3660661

Well as i had no real success in doing something like this myself i think i will amend my vote from>>3660697
to>>3660803

The choice part at the end still feels a bit wordy but i guess i can ignore my feelings on that part
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>>3660661
It's been almost two hours so I don't think I'll do many more attempts.

>Sit down next to Isabelle and gently move what's left of her onto your lap.
>Open up the empathy channel to Isabelle, let your feelings flow to her.
>"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that. I loved you, and I wanted my first friend back."
>"I don't want this to end with us angry and bitter at each other, still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?"
>"I'm Tired Isabelle, and I know where I'm going from here...but do you? a choice still lies in your hands."
>"You have your chance. your moment to move on. to peace. to not have your life hang over you anymore. to finally feel the pain go away."
>"Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if we can heal our scars together."
>"your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."
>Insert a Neuromancer cord into Isabelle, open a neuromancy channel so she can give her answer with a simple thought without having to speak.
>When Isabelle's last breath leaves her and she dies: "Goodnight...Isabelle."

I tried the "find final peace or work together" line, but it ended up feeling a bit too short for the choice presented, ironically. It trimmed down a bit too much, and perhaps cuts a bit of the emotion.

Also minor thing: should it end on "Goodnight, Isabelle." or "Goodnight, B'ni?"
I don't think it changes anything, but if anyone has anything to say on "real name vs nickname" then go ahead.

>>3660803
This one has more actions to take. Could work.
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>>3660803
yeah, its good.
but i still just dont want Isabelle to stick around, so im just not sure i can support a vote giving the option to her.
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>>3660809
I think we should use her real name. Her Nickname i think was something she invented to be with Sam after Sam gave herself the Nickname Shu.

She gave us her Nickname at first but later revealed her real name as if she wanted us to use it instead and so we did. We are acknowleding that she was a real person and not just some plaything that could change its name on a whim
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>>3660669
>>3660661
yeah ill just stick to my own vote. i just know where i want this to go and what i think is the best outcome, and this one moves in that direction instead of leaving it up to chance.
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>>3660809
It appears like it has more actions because I'm tying in the emotions that accompany the line of dialogue hence the more greentext. The Empathy emotion basically adds to the lines of dialogue the emotional weight behind the words. It's still the same number of dialogue lines, but now it's got emotional weight with the empathy channel.

And I think we should use her real name.

>>3660812
Not giving Isabelle her final choice and last will on her deathbed would make us hypocritical when we had our talk with Dorian back in vein 23. I know you're all for leaving Isabelle alone to die a final death, but it feels like we're just taking agency away from her.
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>>3660661
I'll also change my support from>>3660809 to >>3660803 Ultimately. I think BHOP can do something real good with it.
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>>3660833
i disagree. theres alot more to this than just that. having her in Shus head i dont think would be healthy for either of them, i dont think given their relationship Shu is the one who can properly help Isabelle with her issues, nor is there any point to fixing said issues trapped in anyone's head. not to mention being trapped in anyone's head with no agency, having to relive an entire lifes worth of misery over and over again cant do her any good, especially since she would no long have proper way to move on or do anything about them.

nor does she necessarily even deserve said agency. so what about Sam? Sams far from a good person, but by this point shes done way less bad things than Isabelle, yet theres overwhelming consensus to get rid of her, and not interact with her at all, and we literally leaver her locked away from literally even other dream daughters.

we also have no obligation to take the weight of Isabelle and her problems onto our shoulders, nor again is it healthy nor an issue Shu needs on top of the mountain of other things she has. on top of that, Isabelle has doubled down after a moment of clarity more than once before. once death, in any form, is avoided, she could easily just becomes her old self again, people do that all the time when they think they are gonna die, then dont. Isabelle had her chances, numerous, and now, we should move on from her for our own sake, and need to think about whats best for us and others, not the person whos caused untold suffering and pain. and the simple truth is, her passing on will be easier and healthier for everyone, including Isabelle herself honestly.
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>>3660857
While i can see where you are coming from giving her the Choice is what i wanted the most. I highly doubt she wants to survive as a dreamdaughter and unless she expressely wants to become one i will fight anyone tooth and nail to let Isabelle have her final rest and not take her with us. I still do not feel comfortable setting her in Shus head and unless we find a willing host for her other than Shu i will also not allow her to live on. I will not force her on anyone and do not want her in Shus head

and while i think the Choice parts of >>3660803
at the end of the little speech are a bit drawn out i can support it because to me it seems the right thing to give a relatively comfortable death and a choice. Something she craved for so long and never really managed to till her last minutes of Life
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>>3660857
I actually don't know what to do with Sam exactly, and the part where she has no agency is a bit of a double-edged sword in helping me decide. It prevents her from doing damage, but it also severely limits our interactions with her that may otherwise swing my choice on it in one direction or another.

>>3660861
I'm on the fence as well as to whether she should go in Shu's head. There's Holly who reaches out to new daughters and even tried to reach out to Sam, Johanna who's all about self-actualization and improving yourself, and Uzu who has experience dealing with people who broke or are breaking from her time at the monastery, even if she herself ultimatly gave in to stress and hunger. It's sort of the therapy head, next to Amara's who has no personal history with Isabelle and is filled with playing children.
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>>3660894
you're also talking about three people still working through their own issues and who the last thing they need is someone with at big of issues as Isabelle around, Uzu especially. Holly may be nice but she clearly is still using being a dream daughter more as a way to hide from issues, not deal with them. Johanna...ok she might be ok, but her specific form of philosophy doesn't seems like what Isabelle needs at all. hell its sounds like exactly the type of thinking that lead to Isabelle being where is in the first place, or could easily be construed by said mentally ill person to look that way.
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Slowly, painfully, you sit, your armor slowly peeling itself off your exhausted form as you take great care in moving B’ni’s broken remains into the lap of your dress. The empathic line flickers open, and the bond between you and her flares to life, her eyes going wide from the influx of pure, unbridled emotion as fear and despair floods into your mind from hers.

"It wasn't a lie, when I offered you happiness. I really wanted that." You say, voice raw as you send a pulse of familial love softly echoing into her mind. “I loved you as a family, as a sister, and I wanted my first friend back."

You reveal the weight on your soul, the guilt that’s wrapped tight around your heart and soul. Isabelle blinks away her tears, her negativity fading as you

"I don't want this to end…" You begin, your guilt making way for sadness. "…with us angry and bitter at each other…"

Sadness transitions to anger, a cold fury whose embers still burn in your core from how the girl in your lap hurt the ones that make life worth living. “…still fixated on how Sam hurt you and how you hurt me."

Guilt, sorry, anger…it all falls away in an instant, and in its place is pure exhaustion.

"It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of it?" You ask, staring into the fading emeralds that are her eyes, still fixed on your face as she searches your expression for something she no longer has the breath to voice. "I'm tired Isabelle, and I know where I'm going from here...but do you? A choice still lies in your hands.”

Her eyes dart between yours as you offer her a weak, strained smile.

"You have your chance. Your moment to move on. To peace, to not have your life hang over you anymore. To finally feel the pain go away." You say, feeling her body flaking away where you hold her in your arms. "Or...you can stick around. We can use your Core to do some good, while you ride backburner, and try and see if you can’t come to terms with what happened. Your life ends here...but what happens next is still a choice."

A cord slides out of your palm and into the back of her neck, and she shudders when her mind and soul opens to you. For a long moment, there’s just silence. Silence, and then…

(Continued)
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>>3660944

“I…I’m so sorry.” She says, her voice ringing clear in your ears. “I’ve…I messed up so much, and…if I could go back and change things, I…but life doesn’t work like that. I’m not asking for forgiveness. I don’t deserve it, not for what I’ve done.”

You can feel her slipping, her life bleeding away as her body begins to crumble.

“I’m…I’m really tired too. I just want to sleep, okay?” She says, eyes slowly fluttering closed as she fights to hold your gaze with the last vestiges of her waning strength. “I…want you to be happy. I want to sleep, and to know at least one of us will be happy, in the end.”

She smiles as her face begins to break, her eyes closing one last time as the last embers of her life flicker and fade.

“So, for both of us...be happy, Shu.”

You watch as she just crumbles to ash until all that’s left is a palm-sized crystal resting in your lap, rivulets of gold etched into its surface, and as your peer into its depths a soft emerald glow pulses deep within. It’s warm to the touch as you take it in hand, holding it close to your heart as your eyes mist with tears.

"Goodnight, Isabelle."

>>RELIC ACQUIRED: Emerald Memory

>>EMERALD MEMORY: The crystallized remains of Isabelle, this consumable item contains a vast quantity of data and experience from the Daughters she and Mother consumed. Human, Hexane…it’s all here, contained within in a softly glowing gemstone that shines with emerald light. While she has no core to speak of, and her dying wish renders her Dream Daughter form unable to be actively communed with, there's still a spark of something left over, something that words can't quite explain. Perhaps hope, perhaps regret...perhaps a desire for something better, after a life filled with mistakes.

>>Human Cores: Gina, Eloise, Meg, Kosi, Bella
>>Hexane Cores: Ozmas, Vultha, Silvis, Cheruem, Mulvath
>>CONSUME Options
>>B’ni’s ACCEPTANCE Options
>>Remorseful Spark (Dormant. Function unknown.)

You rise, and you’ve barely steadied yourself before Gina and Rath are wrapping their arms around you, heads of brunette and ginger hair burrowing into your chest. You draw in a deep, shuddering breath, your eyes locking with the wall of Hexane Geists that hold back the Nightmarish Horde, and you watch in awe as ghost and revenant both slowly begin to fade from existence. The horde is at rest, their prison having crumbled in your arms, and the furious spirits that once haunted this place are content with their hand in destroying that which robbed them of choice, so long ago.

You blink, and they’re gone as you hold Gina and Rath as tight as you can.

Almath is silent once more.

(Continued)
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>>3660958

A half hour later, you find yourself deep in thought and leaning against the ruins of the Hexane capital, the Emerald memory still held tight in your hand as you watch your allies and Dream Daughters tend to their wounds and chat animatedly. The post-battle relief runs high, and you can’t help but smile as you see Keane running around with a group of Amaras, while Eloise listens to Meg chatter on about this and that, a patient smirk on the skater’s lips. You turn when Kosi’s voice meets your ears as she wanders up to you, immersed in singing to herself as she dances closer.

“I ain’t even lyin’, yo, she just got dunked on, yep yep she wa…Oh, snap dude, there you are.” Kosi says, making a play of just now noticing your presence. “Yo, GG wanted to chat, if you’ve got a sec. She’s said there’s no rush, so it’s all chill, no rush. She'll wait for you, if you know what I'm saying.

“Thanks, Kosi.” You reply, smiling weakly as you continue to look among the crowd.

“Yo, um. You, ah…you gonna be alright?” She says, her voice suddenly devoid of her usual devil-may-care attitude, and you find her eyes studying yours intently. "Know you and god-girl had some history, so...you know, if you wanna talk, you got plenty who'll listen, 'kay?"

“Yeah.” You swallow, giving her an appreciative nod. “Yeah, I’ll be alright. Thank you.”

She gives you a little salute before turning on her heel and trotting off, waving to Bella as she whistles the same tune she was singing when she walked up. You scan the crowd for a moment, taking stock of who’s where as you fill your lungs with the cold, stale air of Almath. You see Gina sat atop a ruin, a little further from the crowd of your allies. A glance finds Rath and November talking, themselves a few yards away as they chat quietly and when the red-head’s eyes meet yours, she gives you a small smile, a pulse of yearning reaching you across the empathic channel.

You’re not sure if you even want to talk to anyone right now, though the thought fills you with a certain measure of guilt. Your friends are there for you, but…you don’t know. You don’t really know what to do, at this point.

The gem pulses against your palm, still warm to the touch.

>>Go talk with Gina. You’re exhausted, and she’s the one person you’d like to talk to right now. She’ll understand. She’ll accept. She’ll comfort…and you really need that, right now.

>>Go talk with Rath. There’s something about her inner light you need right now, in the aftermath of a choice you hoped you’d never have to make.

>>Talk with one of the other Daughters present. You’d like to clear your head a little before chatting with Gina, Rath, or…anyone right now, really.

>>You’d rather like a minute alone, in all honesty. Take a moment to yourself and your own thoughts as you take a walk, now that the city’s free of the resentful dead.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3660958
>“I’m…I’m really tired too. I just want to sleep, okay?"
called it


Ozmas Core is in there.............................. fuck

>>3660963

> Go and talk with Gina, she obviously wants something and while there is no rush for doing anything,everything else feels kind of hollow right now
>We are gonna have a chat with Rath afterwards or hell invite her to come with us to talk with Gina

Seems like we will not have have the discussion everyone was so spooked about. Isabelle does not want to become a dreamdaughter so case closed
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>>3660958
well...guess that answers that. for what its worth Isabelle, you rest well, and move on peacefully.

>>3660963
>he included part of that song.
hah, fair play BHOP.


>>You’d rather like a minute alone, in all honesty. Take a moment to yourself and your own thoughts as you take a walk, now that the city’s free of the resentful dead.
as much as i want to talk to both Rath and Gina....i feel Shu deserves a moment to herself first. despite everything, all our differing opinions and what we all think OOC was best...it was still a hard thng to go through, and sometimes after that, you just need a moment ot breath and think on your own. we can talk to both of them next, and i think both would understand.
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>>3660963
> Go and talk with Gina, she obviously wants something and while there is no rush for doing anything,everything else feels kind of hollow right now.
> We are gonna have a chat with Rath afterwards or hell invite her to come with us to talk with Gina.
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>>3660975
>>3660988
if we are gonna talk to them, id prefer to have the talks separate, and i think thats what both of them would prefer.

also Rath is closer than Gina, so it kinda would make sense to do hers first. that being said i of course still think Shu could use a moment alone.
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>>3660963
>Take a moment to talk to the City. Open up that empathy channel towards the city. Even if the city is silent with the dead, the City is still alive. A silent empathetic thank you/prayer. "Thank you Almath, for helping us in the fight. Thank you for giving us the tools and gifts we need to defeat the Crucible, your sacrifice has not been in vain. And thank you Almath, for providing me the opportunity to have closure with my first and oldest friend."
Then
>Go talk with Rath. There’s something about her inner light you need right now, in the aftermath of a choice you hoped you’d never have to make.
After talking with Rath
>>Go talk with Gina. You’re exhausted, and she’s the one person you’d like to talk to right now. She’ll understand. She’ll accept. She’ll comfort…and you really need that, right now.

The City really helped us out in this fight Big time, with out Almath's Geists, and Almath's empathetic will responding to our pleas, we would never have been able to defeat Isabelle.

>>3660958
I do have a question: Considering that Ozmas and Isabelle used the transfer relic, is Ozmas's Core and Mindstate inside Isabelle's Essence Core or did they just transfer Ozma's core power and not the mind? with Isabelle's death, is Ozma's officially purged from the admin chair or is she still kicking about?

>Ozmas: Skintalker
>Vultha: Fibromancer
>Cheruem: Calcite Armorer
>Mulvath: Gluttonous
>Silvis: Generator

Is this the correct classification?

Also, we've got 5 Hexxane Cores.
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>>3660994
Shu had about half an hour already to think. She was sitting around doing nothing

We can go to Rath first, sure. I kind of missed the description of who was farther away i admit

We can first have a talk with Rath and then ask her if she wants to come with us to meet Gina.

It might come in handy later so where should we put the gem probably some inner pocket near Shus Chest or something like that
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>>3661004
(Ozmas' Core is without her mind, since she's still in the Administrator's chair. They never used the transfer Relic since Isabelle destroyed it before it could be used.)

(Also, your Hexane assumptions are quite correct.)
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>>3660963
>>Go talk with Rath. There’s something about her inner light you need right now, in the aftermath of a choice you hoped you’d never have to make.
Blerg. This has been a thing and a half. Let's go talk to Rath, thank her for saying the "you could have been happy, you idiot" bits during the fight so that we could stay focused and not speak.

Also, an idea: We should take a big group photo with Gina's smartphone (a swarmling would do the actual photography) before we leave. Get all our friends, physical and dream alike, and take a photo together. This isn't exactly a moment to commemorate, but focusing on that community and friendship we have would probably help Shu feel better. And we're never going to get any other chance to do it.
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>>3661014
>Ozma's mind is still trapped in the chair.
Oh that's a relief.
If Ozma's core is skintalker based with a lexicon's worth, does Ozma's core and Amara's core auto-merge skills and lexicon vocabulary libraries if Amara consumes it?
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>>3661011
the Gem is what were about to consume, so we dont need to longterm plan anything with it. hence the list of whats within it after it.

>>3661014
how the heckle is it the statues that survived just so happened to be the ones Mother had consumed? did some innate underlying connection the others had to Charon and her need to defend Mother make them sacrifice themselves for the others?

>>3661004
>>3660963
>>3660980
i dont think we need to talk to the city honestly, but supporting, as i like the order and prefer just keeping the two conversations separate.
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>>3661023
(The Library is separate, so if Amara gets Ozmas' Core then her own Core would receive a powerful boost.)

>>3661027
(The ones that were with Charon had manifested as defenders of the ones contained within Mother, so they were the first to go. It's not a reflection if their own personalities but rather Mother/Ozmas' own perceptions of her relationship with Charon.)
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>>3661022
>>3660963

YES. THIS I SUPPORT. LETS GET A GIANT GROUP PHOTO WITH EVERYONE IN THE CITY.
Lets have the photo take place in one of Almath's Hexane city squares with a view of the (now destroyed) Capital building. And somehow, the Hexane ghosts and the zombie revanants that linger appear on the photo as well.
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>>3661014
>>3661023
speaking of the auto-merge, what would happen with the Generators if we gave it to Rath? it seemed to be very similar to her Phantom Limbs, but said Ability is now locked as its been Hybridized.

>>3661037
ah, ok. similar enough i suppose.
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>>3661022
>>3661040
eh....a photo just doesn't fit the mood for me personally. like taking a happy go lucky picture in a graveyard during a funeral or next to someone who just died.
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>>3661043
(Silvis' Generator power would typically merge with any melee-oriented heat ability, though Silvis' is incredibly powerful and any mergers would receive a considerable attack boost.)
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>>3661043
As tempting it is giving Silvis's core to Rath, I think it can be put to better use in other daughters as a possibility. Maybe the Midnight Crew or something. Jackie could stand and benefit from Churem's core.

>>3661045
On second thought you're right about that. Photos are reserved for the living, not the dead. The dead shall have their peace.
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>>3661022
>>3661040

I dont think most people will feel up for it.

We could take some pictures nontheless for that we could ask the City to recreate some places that it feels are important to it so we can have our artisans make artwork to make the city, its loss, its long gone beauty and architecture eternal in their Artwork
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>>3661045
>>3661053
Eh, fair. I just thought it might be a good way for Shu to take her mind off of things. Focus on the fact that she has all these amazing friends who were willing to put so much into helping her. But I can understand the thought that's it too fast of a shift.
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>>3661051
oh, well giving it to Rath for Ignition or Grasp sounds nice.

>>3661052
im sticking by giving Dorian and Amara two cores each, both are significantly behind in stats and could greatly use the boost, even if we just condense the Core down for pure stats.

Gina is getting 5 Cores including her own so she doesn't need anymore.

that leaves Shu, Rath, and Julia for the extra one. and i think out of the options, Rath getting the Generator would do us best. she constantly is in the heat of battle even more than Julia, so her being a bit ahead in stats is probably something she actually needs.

BUT, i also feel like we are getting ahead of ourselves with this conversation a bit...though at the same time i think the current Voting on the current topic has already reached a pretty good consensus, so i might be making a moot point.

also we need the Hexxane Cores for the info, so no go on the Midnight Crew.
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>>3661062
I still haven't given my complete thoughts on the consume options but it's a bridge I'm willing to walk and talk with you anons when we get to the Consume part.

There's still the debate on Isabelle's Remorseful Spark. we don't exactly know what it is, but I'm curious to find out. Also, with Isabelle's dying wish, she'll be completely isolated in the dreamscape content to sleep forever so I want to reserve a point for Isabelle's ability just in case.
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Do we really need two hours on this vote? It seems like we have all the votes we need already.
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>>3661082
(I will go ahead and say that Remorseful Spark does not take a point to select, so there's no need to factor it into your calculations or sacrifice anything for it.)
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>>3661082
I think it might be the "store Isabelle in a memory crystal until we can get her to a therapist" idea. Her mindstate preserved in a non-volatile form, that we can put into storage without worrying about it decaying. If that is the case, thanks BHOP. Wasn't expecting that idle idea of mine to become reality.
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>>3661062
I agree i want to consolidate the Cores of the Hexxane in the main family

The Generator Core on Rath might be very useful as Shu sadly has no such ability for it to merge into.

What would you reduce for that? The Investment into Ignition?

I would put the Skintalker and Calcite Cores on Amara (i know she migh tbe a bit traumatized after nearly getting murdered by Cherum but it would be nice for defenses and my thought is Dorian had little use for it, he already has weapons he can create and armor is not his style)

On Dorian i would put the Fibromancer and Gluttnous core. I think is was said somewhere that many Gluttonous Abilities are good against constructs so that would make him even stronger in that role

Maybe i am jumping the Gun here maybe the Midnight crew wants some of the cores but i kind of doubt it The debat over who to talk to was over pretty quick

>>3661082
Remorseful Spark

We will see what it says when we get the package. Not reserving a point quite jet but holding my eye open for

>>3661090
Well thats nice not having to repeat my calculations then
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>>3661091
Or to pop out at the eleventh hour near the end of the quest to save Shu's life.
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>>3661082
>There's still the debate on Isabelle's Remorseful Spark. we don't exactly know what it is, but I'm curious to find out. Also, with Isabelle's dying wish, she'll be completely isolated in the dreamscape content to sleep forever so I want to reserve a point for Isabelle's ability just in case.
no, thats clearly not what she really wanted. just let her go, and let her truly, actually rest.

as for the spark, we'll have to see once BHOP lays out all the options.

>>3661090
>>3661087
yeah i kinda agree with this Anon. take as much time as you need to write it BHOP but i think voting itself is pretty much complete and in agreement with.

>>3661096
yes, assuming we can control it, it would be a 'Ignition Augment' on a technicality.

i want to wait on the Calcite and Gluttonous to see exactly how they work first, before we decide.

>>3661091
>>3661090
>>3661082
as for the spark, once BHOP lays everything out for us to do the level up options, we can decide what to do on it then, as id imagine we will get its info then along with everything else.
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>>3660963
Well i will amend my vote a bit to make more clear what i want from this>>3660975
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>Ask the City to recreate a couple places it wishes to have remembered and send our Flesh Artisans to record them for later artistic recreation

>Talk to Rath

>Talk to Gina after talking to Rath
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>>3660963
Supporting>>3661105
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>>3661105
I'll support this, but add the thank yous to Almath prior to Shu's request for Almath's last wish for wanting something for them to be remembered by.
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>>3660963
>>3661140
Sure a thank you can be added to this>>3661105
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>>3660963
>>You’d rather like a minute alone, in all honesty. Take a moment to yourself and your own thoughts as you take a walk, now that the city’s free of the resentful dead.

Also a question BHOP, if we were to take some material from the city and transplant it to the Dragons rest, would the dream daughter be able to manifest there?
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>>3661157
(It's a possibility. You're welcome to try, of course.)
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>>3661157
I don't know, it feels a bit risky to experiment with that, to me. At least not in our home, next to all that other sensitive equipment like the Forge and Engine. We should try it out somewhere else, first, then if it works we can consider doing it to the Lair.
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>>3660963

Closing your eyes a moment you take the chance to reach out across the empathic channel, tapping into the very essence of the city around you.

"Thank you, Almath, for helping us in the fight. Thank you for giving us the tools and gifts we need to defeat the Crucible, and know your sacrifice has not been in vain. Thank you for providing me the opportunity to have closure with my first and oldest friend."

You smile as a warm breeze wafts by your cheeks, a stark contrast of the frigid air that’s settled among the city’s empty streets.

“I’d like something to remember you by, if that’s not too much to ask?” You say, stepping away from the wall and making your way over to Rath. “I’d love to see places you liked, how they looked before all this. When things were happy, before the Crucible. I have these two friends, a painter and a sculptress…I know they’d love the chance to see you as you were. Would you mind showing us?”

You see certain worn edifices of the city shine a little brighter, catching the attention of Julia and Dorian as they walk a little ways from you as she helps the painter walk, his body still healing. Rath gives her armored aunt a little side-hug before she hops up and over to you, a tired smile on her lips.

“Thank you for everything back there.” You say as she comes to a stop before you. “You fought like hell and I appreciate what you said to her, too.”

“Oh, yeah…I feel like I kinda went a little off on the mouth, but…cool. Glad I didn’t overstep anything, Shu.” She says, thrusting her hands in her pockets as she studies your face. “Hey, um…I know I haven’t really talked much about the past, and…and my sister and all that, but, uh…”

Rath brings her hands out of her pockets for a moment to crack her knuckles before burying them back into her pockets once more.

“Look, I’ve lost people, alright? You’ve lost people, and if you wanna talk, I’m…I’d love to listen, if that’s okay?” She concludes, her nerves on her sleeve as you walk side-by-side. “I know we’re not like, like you and Gina, close-close, but…yeah, I’d like to talk if you’d like to list…no, shit, I mean…”

“…I’d like that too, Rath.” You say with a smile as the two of you arrive in front of Gina, who promptly drops down from her perch atop a crumbling pillar. “I’d like that a lot.”

“Hey! I actually wanted to talk to both of you, so this, uh…this works.” GG says nervously, fidgeting with her hair a bit before taking a deep breath. “So the girls and I had a lot of time to chat, and I had a while to myself while I was trapped, so…so there’s something I wanted to run by you, and I’d like for you to hear me out, if that’s alright.”

“Yeah…yeah, of course.” You say, and Rath nods enthusiastically as Gina takes another deep breath before she trusts herself to speak.

“…I don’t think I want to be revived.”

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>>3661209

“What?! Why?!” Rath blurts out before she catches herself, confusion writ large on her face as she takes a step forward, then back again.

“I know, I just…god, I really want to feel you, Shu.” Gina says, and you feel Rath’s face bloom with scarlet beside you. “I want to hold you, and laugh with you, and…just *be* with everyone again. But when I think of them, and how much I care for each and every one of you...”

She takes another breath as she begins to pace in front of you, tracing a short two-yard path as you struggle to remain silence and hear her argument out in its entirety.

“Look, it’s just numbers. We have two chances. Two shots to bring someone back from death.” Gina explains, her tone a little frantic, a little frazzled. “If I take one of those chances, what then? What if Julia goes, then Dorian? If I go again, then you bring me back and…what if something happened to you? Or Rath? Or Amara? Or…fuck any member of our family!?”

She halts, turning to face you full-on as she glances between you and the girl at your side.

“I’ve had my time, you two. I want to come back, but I feel like I’d just be as selfish as I’d always been, if that makes sense? I mean, hell…I’m not the one that deserves to come back, if we’re honestly talking about this. Kosi, Bella…they’re better people than I ever was, but while we were in B’ni, we all got to talking, and…”

Her eyes well with tears as she puts her face in her hands, taking a breath before she concludes.

“Shit, god, this was all so much more eloquent in my head.” She says with a weary chuckle, wiping a tear from her eye. “I…what I’m trying to say is that I couldn’t live with myself if I took the opportunity to come back and robbed someone more deserving of the chance to do so. I love you all so much, and…I just want you all to be okay.”

You and Rath share a look, and as much as your friend wants to argue the point, she’s deferring to you on this particularly delicate subject. You hold Gina’s gaze for a long moment before you give her your answer, searching within her hazel eyes for what you and she really, truly want.

>>Accept her decision. You see her reasoning, and you want to respect her wishes. At the very least you can let her sit on this a while to see if she changes her mind.

>>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3661212
>>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.

No. That's well meaning bullshit. We all pulled together *because* of our strength In numbers and our bonds. And besides, the two shots at bringing someone back are just the free ones Mara paid for, we could still do It ourselves at a cost.

Don't think someone's more deserving than you Gina, because that's not true. We went through all this for you and I'm not letting you play the martyr.

You're needed more on this side, not on that side, so let us take you back, you don't have to be afraid.
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>>3661212
>"Gina, do you want us to ask everyone what they think, including Kosi and Bella and everyone else we could revive? Because I think I know what their answer would be. You're a better person then you give yourself credit for, Gina."
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>>3661212
>>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.
>"No, Gina....stop that. its not about numbers. it was NEVER about numbers, and you KNOW that."
>"i get it, you feel like you've messed up in the past, done things wrong....but you're still our family, someone i love, we all love greatly."
>"and you stupid oaf, we nor no one else would even be here if it wasnt fro you!"
>Rush in, hug her tightly.
>"If you hadn't sacrificed yourself...gutted Isabelles strength...none of this would be possible. you've EARNED your second chance Gina. you DIED for us, while as much as hold nothing against them, nearly every other Dream Daughter here is here because they threatened us, or made their own mistakes."
>"You..you got here not because of your own mistakes...but by doing something we could never repay you for, something we could never have asked you to do..."
>"Please...stop hating yourself, and give yourself a chance..."
>"Gina...come home, come back to the Family..."
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>>3661212
>>3661212
>Kosi, Bella…they’re better people than I ever was,

>I want to come back, but I feel like I’d just be as selfish as I’d always been

>I mean, hell…I’m not the one that deserves to come back

>I couldn’t live with myself if I took the opportunity to come back and robbed someone more deserving of the chance

This Is the root of her issues. She keeps feeling like others are worth more than she Is, and that's just not true. I'm not good at speeches, but we need to address this. She already sacrificed herself once, now she wants to do It again so she doesn't have to feel guilty over being 'selfish'. You died for us girl, you don't get to beat yourslef up over being the selfish one. It's fine If you want to change for the better, but this Is more like running away from a problem than getting over your problems.
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>>3661212
Well that is a doozie........

I personaly want to bring back Gina. It goes against her wishes i know but i think a fuck.............

I just want her back with us. The revivals are just that a saftey net.

>Write In

>Try to change her mind
>Put a finger on her lips
>"No do not reduce yourself to that. You sacrificed yourself to ensure our family would survive. I read your entry about you, Rath, and even me. You are no longer the person you were when we first met. You have started Changing. Sacrificing yourself for us when we didnt even know of the Engine. That is what i call courage and honor. You are a person worthy of storming the gates of Mordor for. And you will be a Person that i would fight Isabelle for all over again even if my body was crippled and at the verge of Death, I would have still fought Isabelle"

>"But do not take my word for it"
>Point at Rath
>"Ask the rest of our family. Ask Jullia, Dorian or Amara. They all will want to have you back."

>Look at her with sadness in your eyes and glance towards Amara
>"Do you want our Daughter to grow up only being capable of occasionaly seeing you in Dreams? That would be no substitue for a real present mother. She has endured so much to bring you back and defeat Isabelle and Mother"


I think an adequate point ot start off on
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>>3661246
i feel like some of that is more guilt tripping her into coming back, rather than convincing her she deserves to come back.
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>>3661250
Yes the later part is a guilt trip you are completely right but i also feel that part is something we need to adress.

Amara sees us as her Mother. If we are together with Gina that would make Gina also a mother with Custody(i know semantics as you could argue the conept is little outdated in the Fleshscape)

But we have to point out that the entire Family sacrificed much to not only stop isabelle but to safe Gina as well.

I like what you wrote as well but think it still lacks something

It should include Rath as well becyuse she is there and can support us in our efforts
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>>3661237
>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.
>"No, Gina....stop that. its not about numbers. it was NEVER about numbers, and you KNOW that. That engine revival function is worthless letting it sit there unused unless we put it to good use."
>"I get it, you feel like you've messed up in the past, done things wrong....but you're still our family, someone i love, we all love greatly."
>"and you stupid oaf, we nor no one else would even be here if it wasn't for you!"
>Rush in, hug her tightly.
>"If you hadn't sacrificed yourself...gutted Isabelles strength...none of this would be possible. you've EARNED your second chance Gina. you DIED for us, while as much as hold nothing against them, nearly every other Dream Daughter here is here because they threatened us, or made their own mistakes."
>"You..you got here not because of your own mistakes...but by doing something we could never repay you for, something we could never have asked you to do..."
>"You said it yourself that you would follow me into Mordor. Here we are, In Mordor wanting to bring you back."
>"Please...stop hating yourself, and give yourself a chance..."
>"Julia misses you, Rath misses you, Dorian misses you, Amara misses you. I miss you. Ask them if they want to see you back. I'm sure they all do."
>"Gina...please come home, come back to the Family..."
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>>3661250
>>3661288

I made some amendments what do you guys think

>Try to change her mind
>Put a finger on her lips
>"No do not reduce yourself to that. You sacrificed yourself to ensure our family would survive. I read your entry about you, Rath, and even me. You are no longer the person you were when we first met. You have started changing."
>"Sacrificing yourself for us when we didnt even know of the Engine to save everyone else. That is what i call couragous. You are a person worthy of storming the gates of Mordor for."

>"But do not take only my word for it"
>Point at Rath and then around to the Group of people standing around, playing or jsut relaxing
>"Ask the rest of our family. Ask Jullia, Dorian or Amara and even November. They all will want to have you back."
>"Hell ask the Friends you made, they would want you to come back. Dont think you are selfish for using a resource that is meant to be used. You would be selfish trying to safe the resource for someone else."

>Look into her eyes and glance towards Amara
>"And I really want you to be there for Amara with me and to experience being a mother with me. Please come back to us all of us. We want the family to be complete again"
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>>3661214
I'mma drop this music here. I'm sure you have this in your playlist. But it's a pretty good theme when it comes to the lingering feelings between the living daughters and the dream daughters with an apt song title to boot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQDK6x1i8jY
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>>3661212
>>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.
>>>Write-In
>"You're the sort of person who saves all their full-heals and revives until the final boss and winds up never actually using them, aren't you?"
>"The Engine isn't there to be held in reserve against a rainy day when we really need it, because every day in the Crucible is rainy. We've already lost a member of our family, Gina, we don't have to speculate on possible futures. Let's fix the damage we've already taken before we start worrying about what might happen later."
>"I get it. You're afraid that because you'd have been revived, if more people die then we might have to make an impossible choice of who to save. But you're asking us to make that impossible choice right now, instead. What you don't seem to get is that we value you just as highly as anyone else in the party. We love you, Gina. We miss you, and want you back. It's not going to spare us any pain if we leave you dead so we can revive someone else. We're already unhappy because we lost someone we cared about."
>"Plus, if you're really so scared that someone else will die and we won't be able to fix it, why aren't you coming back? Why aren't you putting yourself in a position to be able to stop them from dying in the first place? Prevention is better than cure, dead you can do nothing but alive you can protect them. Staying just a voice in my head when you could be helping others...that would be far more selfish than coming back and keeping the people you care about safe and happy."
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>>3661365
Yeah, we could add that in. And maybe I should tone the last paragraph down a bit, I'm worried it came across sounding too harsh. Okay, how about this, instead?

>"Plus, if you're really so scared that someone else will die and we won't be able to fix it, why aren't you coming back? You can't do anything to stop that if you're just a voice in my head, but if you come back to life you can protect them. Keeping your loved ones safe and happy, what's selfish about that? So please let us revive you. When it comes time to storm the gates of Mordor and end this twisted game, I can't imagine not having you there at our side."
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>>3661212
I am now supporting this write in
>>Try to change her mind. She sacrificed herself to ensure that your family would be safe, and she deserves to come back regardless of how she thinks of herself.
>>>Write-In
>"You're the sort of person who saves all their full-heals and revives until the final boss and winds up never actually using them, aren't you?"
>"The Engine isn't there to be held in reserve against a rainy day when we really need it, because every day in the Crucible is rainy. We've already lost a member of our family, Gina, we don't have to speculate on possible futures. Let's fix the damage we've already taken before we start worrying about what might happen later."
>"I get it. You're afraid that because you'd have been revived, if more people die then we might have to make an impossible choice of who to save. But you're asking us to make that impossible choice right now, instead. What you don't seem to get is that we value you just as highly as anyone else in the party. We love you, Gina. We miss you, and want you back. It's not going to spare us any pain if we leave you dead so we can revive someone else. We're already unhappy because we lost someone we cared about."

>"Plus, if you're really so scared that someone else will die and we won't be able to fix it, why aren't you coming back? You can't do anything to stop that if you're just a voice in my head, but if you come back to life you can protect them. Keeping your loved ones safe and happy, what's selfish about that? So please let us revive you. When it comes time to storm the gates of Mordor and end this twisted game, I can't imagine not having you there at our side."

The write in is based off of>>3661328
and>>3661411


>>3661411
Yes i can see that working out well. We have to give her the feeling we want her back and we care so much about her that having her in her head would just not be satisfying since she would not be able to interact with the rest of the family and she would invalidate what we came here to do

Sorry for the bamboozle, accidentaly deleted the wrong thing because i thought it was my ammendment and then deleted another thing because i thought i had forgotten to delete the right thing
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>>3661435
>>3661328
>>3661237
Gah. So many of these write-ins are so good.
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>>3661212
I'd like to mention how many times she saved our lives while she was alive. She can't save our ass again If she's dead. She can't protect anyone If she's dead, she can't intervene, she'd just have to watch. How guilty would she feel then?
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>>3661212
>>3661489
To translate your mention into a write-in:
>"You saved my life so many times while you were alive. I can't repay the favor if you're a ghost."
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>>3661456
yeah sorry needed a nap, as i know im not getting one tonight haha.

these are all pretty decent ideas, but ill stick with mine with
>>3661288
>>3661212
this Anons one addition, gets the point across the simplest and best i think.
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"You're the sort of person who saves all their full-heals and revives until the final boss and winds up never actually using them, aren't you?"

Gina’s eyebrows shoot up as Rath gives you an odd look, and the brunette is quite unsure how to answer as her mouth tries to form a reply.

“I mean…yeah, you never know when you’ll need a Max-Potion if you’re going up against the Elite Four, or if you’re about to fight Seymour Natu…” She rambles before you gently interrupt her with a finger on her lips.

"The Engine isn't there to be held in reserve against a rainy day when we really need it, because every day in the Crucible is rainy.” You say, holding her gaze, unblinking. “We've already lost a member of our family, Gina, we don't have to speculate on possible futures. Let's fix the damage we've already taken before we start worrying about what might happen later."

“No, Shu…I don’t want to take the chance away from someone else we lo…”

"Look, I get it.” You say, cutting her off as gently as you can. “You're afraid that because you'd have been revived, if more people die then we might have to make an impossible choice of who to save. But you're asking us to make that impossible choice right now, instead. What you don't seem to get is that we value you just as highly as anyone else in the party. We love you, Gina. We miss you, and want you back. It's not going to spare us any pain if we leave you dead so we can revive someone else. We're already unhappy because we lost someone we cared about."

Her eyes are watering as you place your palms against her cheeks, a kind and loving smile spreading across your face.

"Plus, if you're really so scared that someone else will die and we won't be able to fix it, why aren't you coming back? You saved my life so many times while you were alive. I can't repay the favor if you're a ghost. You can't do anything to save us if you're just a voice in my head, but if you come back to life you can protect them. Keeping your loved ones safe and happy, what's selfish about that? So please let us revive you. When it comes time to storm the gates of Mordor and end this twisted game, I can't imagine not having you there at our side."

There’s a small cough to your right and you turn to see Rath, shoulders hunches, hands in her pockets as she tries to voice her own cares and comforts to the troubled girl in your arms.

“GG, you…uh, you make Shu happy, simple as that. You make all of us happy, so don’t give us that crap about people being better than you, or you not deserving to come back or some other load of bullshit. So what if they are? You want to be a better person, and there’s no way to do that if you’re a friggin’ ghost, is there? So come on back, girl.” Rath says, shooting with you sly glance before she finishes. “Besides, I don’t think I could take it if Shu brooded more than she does now.”

(Continued)
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>>3661526

“You make her happy too, you know?” Gina fires back, giving Rath a mischievous wink that sends the girl’s cheeks into ignition. “Actually…we should all spend some quality time together, since I think we could all have a lot of fun if we put our minds to it”

“So, uh…anyway…” Rath stumbles, clearing her throat before proceeding. “…So does that mean you’re coming back?

“Yeah, I…yeah. I think I am.” GG replies, looking into your eyes as she gives you a hesitant little nod. “Let’s give this a shot, then.”

You grin as you pull both girls into a tight hug, feeling an intense warmth against your leg as you do so. Rath freezes, her eyes going wide.

“Uh…Gina, are you…I g-get you’re excited to see Shu, but holy crap g-girl, get a gri…” Rath stammers before Gina leans back, her eyes wide at the implication.

“Wha…no!” She laughs, Rath’s utterly flustered expression making her howl even harder as the built-up tension leaves her with every peal of laughter. “I mean yeah she’s got a killer ass, but you’re the fire-starter! I know I’m one to talk about keeping it in your pants, but holy crap I could seriously think of some great uses for your abilities in the be…”

You just stare straight ahead as you withdraw the contender from its holster, before giving both girls a withering look as you fight to suppress your smirk.

“Oh.” Rath says lamely, staring down at her feet as Gina just doubles over with barely-restrained laughter.

“I do hope I’m not interrupting anything.” Karma says serenely, her dulcet tones echoing in your mind as the Contender warms your grip. “Master Shu, I wish to inform you that there are a suite of new features for you to peruse, should you have a moment.”

“I think now’s a good moment.” You say, looking between Gina, gasping for air as she struggles to stop giggling and Rath, trying to will herself to stop blushing.

This.

This is what you fought for. These silly little moments that you wish could last forever and a day. These small specks of joy to be found at the end of the world.

Your grip tightens on Karma’s hilt, and you know.

You’re never letting this go…no matter what.

>>CONTENDER LEVEL UP x2

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CONTENDER LEVEL UP x2 - CHOOSE TWO FROM THE LIST BELOW

>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6

>>DEFENDER’S EDGE: While in Lionheart Form, your blade has a high chance to automatically deflect the next attack that would hit you at the start of the turn. This ability has a cool-down of two turns before it may be primed again.

>>GEMINI’S BLADE: While in Lionheart Form your blade splits into two identical copies, each one half of the ammo capacity available to you. While they each require a hand to hold, you may make two strikes with each of them using a single ACT as long as both are in your possession.

>>CONSTRUCT’S SWORDARM: Your blade may now disappear from your grip as a free action, reappearing in the hands (or claws) of a construct of your choice and allowing you to pull of angles of attack that would otherwise be quite impossible. While a warp can only be done once per turn, you may warp the blade back to your hands as a free action on any subsequent turn.

>>GUNSLINGER’S DRAW: Your first shot fired in combat is now guaranteed to strike with perfect accuracy, and will automatically take place first in the combat initiative regardless of other modifiers.

>>SHEATHED STRIKE: When in Lionheart mode, the Contender now occupies a calcite sheath that may imbued with energy and ‘primed’ by imbuing the weapon’s empty chambers with explosive levels of biomass. This may stack up to the number of empty chambers the Contender possesses and be released on a subsequent turn to deal a devastating blow, boasting drastically increased attack power, critical chance, and critical damage.

THEN

>>Say your goodbyes, pack up, and go back home to consume the spoils of your hard-won victory before you take a well-deserved rest.

>>Tend to one or two other things before you leave (Write-In).

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours. There may be a delay between this post and the next as a finish tweaking the text and formatting of the level up section, so thank you for bearing with me. I hope your Monday is going well one and all, and thank you for participating.)
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>>3661537
Oh, jeez, those are some good upgrades. And we only get two. Question: If we get both Gemini's Blade and Construct's Swordarm, can we teleport blades to two separate constructs?
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>>3661537
>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6
more shots AND it becomes the best handheld gun type to ever be invented? fucking hell yeah.

>>DEFENDER’S EDGE: While in Lionheart Form, your blade has a high chance to automatically deflect the next attack that would hit you at the start of the turn. This ability has a cool-down of two turns before it may be primed again.
and another auto-defense? hell yeah.

these are my votes.

>>Say your goodbyes, pack up, and go back home to consume the spoils of your hard-won victory before you take a well-deserved rest.
we've spent enough time in this city, not matter how nice its ghosts turned out to be. lets go reap our rewards, and get our main bitch back.
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>>3661537
Aw fuck, they're all too good.

>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6

>>GEMINI’S BLADE: While in Lionheart Form your blade splits into two identical copies, each one half of the ammo capacity available to you. While they each require a hand to hold, you may make two strikes with each of them using a single ACT as long as both are in your possession.

Shu has tons of hands, hands aren't the problem. Now we can fire TWICE as much by firing each gun once, or double our melee/parrying capabilities.
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>>3661557
(Absolutely. Several of these we built to work with each other quite well.)
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>>3661537
>Write in
>Karma what is our Threatlevel right now. if you had to put it into numbers? How likely is it that we may have to face your old master soon?
>Take your leave from Rath and Gina and Slide over to Kosi and whisper into her ear:"Just make sure you do not give running commentary ´kay"

>Ask our resident Artist"WEll did you find a lot of inspiration? I am looking forward to seeing your future works"

>a couple minutes later gather everyone at the Elevator. Take your leave from the Dreamdaughters and teleport to the Lair its time to party


Vote
>Hexxane Rveolver: really useful and can be preloaded so we can keep some of the more expensive rounds ready

>Gemini Blades: we have enough hands to make use of this augment really well and could even give it over to our constructs
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>You grin as you pull both girls into a tight hug, feeling an intense warmth against your leg as you do so. Rath freezes, her eyes going wide.

>Gina used dreamworld shenanigans to give herself a penis.
>pic related

>>3661537
>Hexane Revolver
That's my guaranteed vote.

I do have a question Bhop, is it possible for Shu to switch between Lionheart Longsword form and Gemini Dual blades as a free action? because it seems like the Gemini blades are a toggle ability feature.
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>>3661570
Yeah, I can see some good combos. Okay, further questions about interactions with Gemini's Blade: Do Defender's Edge or Gunslinger's Draw proc separately for each blade? Can Shu auto-parry two attacks per round, or fire off two auto-hit shots from her paired gunblades?
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>>3661566
well, with how the contender works, i dont think it would change how many shots we can fire. if it keeps its derringer attributes, we can still fire off all shots in one turn. i guess we could then fire at two different targets at the same time, but that doesn't seem worth it over other options. personally Sheathed Strike is my second choice if we dont take Defenders Edge.

>>3661566
>>3661572
Gemnis really isnt as good as the other options. Shus proven she is very unreliable at blocking with a sword, and we only get into Melee so often, and when we do, we usually go for making one attack hurt as much as possible, not number of attacks. getting either a guaranteed defense, or a super attack, would fit our playstyle better i think.
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>>3661577
(It's toggle-able, absolutely. Both blades will also have three ammo slots when split if Hexane Revolver is selected, just as a head's up.)
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>>3661582
(You absolutely may, yes. Having two blades out would allow you to parry two attacks, and the cool down would be the same.)
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>>3661585
so would we have to fire the Revolver shots in order, or would the cylinder auto-rotate to the round type we wish to fire?
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>>3661583
The Defnders Edge has Merrit i was mostly thinking we could take the Gemini Blades to give them to different construct to attack from different angles at once.

thoguh this anons idea>>3661582
for two parrys are nice as well
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>>3661585
Does Gemini's Blade still count as Lionheart form, considering It's an Identical copy, or does It count as a new form for the purpose of upgrades?

>>3661582
Also a good question. Can each copy use Defenders Edge separately?
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>>3661588
(You may select which round to fire, absolutely.)
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>>3661537
I'm definitely taking Hexane Revolver.

Gemini's Blade and Construct's Swordarm pair well with Hundered-Handed. Though the former also goes well with Hexane Revolver, being able to shoot three shots each instead of one, while the later works with Tripophilic Hive, as a subversive swarmling behind the enemy suddenly holds a gun ready to fire.

Defender's Edge and Gunslinger's draw both have pretty straightforward utility, one in defense and the other in offense.

Finally Sheaved Strike is a iaijutsu draw, used for big damage or a finishing blow. It sounds like it gets better with each chamber it has, so it pairs real well with Hexane Revolver.

I'll go with
>HEXANE REVOLVER
>SHEATHED STRIKE

I really wish I could have CONSTRUCT’S SWORDARM with sheaved strike though. A foe sees that Shu's about to draw her sword and then it just disappears instead, having moved to a cloaked swarmling latching on their back to use instead.
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>>3661586
One more thing, will we get another chance to select past upgrade choices as Karma levels up more?

Some of these and some of the previous upgrade choices would be Incredible to get later down the line.
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>>3661601
(What you described at the end of your post is absolutely possible.)
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>>3661595
im not giving up on the Revolver. the power and versatility having 6 rounds would give us, and would allow us to dish out, is not something to be passed over.

>>3661600
KICKASS

>>3661601
id still prefer Defenders Edge but id prefer it or Sheath to win, so i may just have to switch to support Strike.
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>>3661607
(Of course. None of these upgrades are permanently lost, and are merely re-added to the cue.)
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>>3661609
I was not arguing to not take the Revolver i was giving an argument why the Gemini Blades might be worth taking over the parry

The other part was me musing over other possiblities

>>3661611
Can the Sheathed Strike be primed before Combat or is it to unstable/would decompose within minutes?
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>>3661537
After the Karma level-up:
>Group photo time with all the dream daughters and living daughters. everyone gathers together for a photo with Almath as the backdrop. Almath ghosts may or may not appear.

>>3661618
Sheathed strike requires empty revolver chambers to use properly. and I believe setting sheathed strike "locks it in".
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>>3661618
they rent guaranteed parries though, unlike the Defenders Edge. which is a massive drawback in my opinion. our Hundred Hands can already cover non guaranteed blocks/parries well enough, and in greater numbers. our Swarmlings too.
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>>3661586
Ooh, tempting, then. I'm thinking Gemini's Blade plus Gunslinger's Edge. Start the fight with the Contender in Lionheart form, be able to get two auto-hit shots off before anyone can respond.

>>3661611
Oh, that's a relief. Because I want all of these, that would be so cool Shu dual-wielding a pair of Tenra Bansho Zero-style revolver-katanas, parrying lasers out of the air before teleporting them to her bee warriors to deliver deadly iaido strikes.
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>>3661600
would it still cost 1 act if Shu were to "fan the hammer" and unload all 6 shots down range at once?
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>>3661611
Oh man, so

Defenders Edge, two free auto-parries
Gemini Blades
Lionheart Strike, the ability that let us strike three times with one act, now paired with another blade for SIX attacks for one act, which In theory we can do with a max of six acts for a whopping THIRTY-SIX ATTACKS IN ONE ROUND

That's far more than the original Lionheart limit break.

Oh yeah, renzokuken eat your heart out.
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Man, there are such good combos in there, but we can only pair two right now. This is torture.

Revolver x Sheathed
Revolver x Gemini
Defender x Gemini
Defender x Sheathed
Gunslinger x Gemini
Construct x Gemini
Construct x Sheathed

This level up's not even over yet and I'm already looking forward to the next one.
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>>3661634
still think REVOLVER x DEFENDER is the best combo. the numerous shots from REVOLVER is the best one on the list without any shadow of a doubt, and Automatic chances to stop attacks is something i think everyone is underestimating. Shu wouldn't be alive without such moves, and more of them cannot in any way hurt her ability to fight.
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>>3661626
>>3661633
Defender's edge isn't a guaranteed auto parry. It just has a high proc-rate of parrying.
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>>3661618
>>3661622
(Sheathed Strike can be primed and held.)

>>3661630
(Yes.)
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>>3661634
I know right?

I think Gemini has the most potential for combos, as It's a whole other damn gunsword.

But also think, If we get upgrades based on existing upgrades, then what Is the upgrade for Gemini?

More swords, more guns. And we have the hands to hold them. We'll practically be Gilgamesh from FF, which seems all the more plausible considering the current references.
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>>3661645
grah, fair, but its still a high chance and an automatic action, and still probably higher than Gemini would give us. not only because then what would be the point of giving us both options, but again, Shus standard ability to parry on her own really has never been up to snuff, no matter the opponent she faces. why this is is a question for another time, but it would be better to understand what the lacks and get something to help fix it, over something that relies on something her track record has proven her to not have.
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>>3661651
I'm liking Construct with Gemini. Two guns that we can teleport around the battlefield to shoot from practically anywhere.
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>>3661577
>>3661537
Changing my vote:
Karma upgrades:
>Hexane Revolver
>Defender's edge
After Karma upgrades:

>Group photo time, dream daughters, living daughters, soon-to-be-alive daughters, maybe some almath ghosts... everyone gathers together for a group photo at the Elevator Entrance to Almath with the city as its backdrop.
>Then say your goodbyes, pack up and go home to consume the spoils and take a break
>When we head back to the Dragon's lair. Mess with the Core Console and create a giant bed for everyone to flop in and collapse, while upgrading the Private suite to become soundproofed, smellproof and vibration proof to a level that those with UnNatural Predator augments can't detect what's going on inside.

>>3661664
>>3661661
>>3661629
>>3661618
Gentlemen, it seems that the consensus holds Hexane Revolver as the leading upgrade so that's locked in. the runner up is tied between Defender's edge and Gemini Blades with 2 votes apiece with sheathed strike lagging behind.
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>>3661537
Right, after some reassessment I'm going to say

>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6
>>DEFENDER’S EDGE: While in Lionheart Form, your blade has a high chance to automatically deflect the next attack that would hit you at the start of the turn. This ability has a cool-down of two turns before it may be primed again.

They're not super flashy, but they are practical. Hexane Revolver is a solid quality of life upgrade that means we'll be much less likely to go through the "oh, we've already got both chambers loaded, we'd have to spend an action swapping rounds to make this plan work" hassle again (not to mention greatly increasing damage if we fire all cylinders at one target), while Defender's Edge improves survivability which is always a good idea.

BHOP said that the other upgrades are still going to be available at later level-ups, so we can grab the shinies later. Right now I'd rather make an all-round better gunblade.
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(If it helps clarify things a bit, Defender's Edge has a 90% chance of auto-deflection against melee and projectile attacks at the Contender's current level, while Gemini Blades' utility is the greatest among the base upgrades, past and present. Make of that what you will, and know you're not locking yourself out of anything by any means. What you don't choose here will come back around in time, so no worries.)
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>>3661537
Changing my vote>>3661572
from Gemini to Defenders Edge

>>3661684
Can we add these to that? I will suppoert it but would k´like these questions answered and these interactions play out
>Karma what is our Threatlevel right now. if you had to put it into numbers? How likely is it that we may have to face your old master soon?
>Take your leave from Rath and Gina and Slide over to Kosi and whisper into her ear:"Just make sure you do not give running commentary ´kay"

>Ask our resident Artist"WEll did you find a lot of inspiration? I am looking forward to seeing your future works"

>a couple minutes later gather everyone at the Elevator. Take your leave from the Dreamdaughters and teleport to the Lair its time to party
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>>3661537
>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6

>>GEMINI’S BLADE: While in Lionheart Form your blade splits into two identical copies, each one half of the ammo capacity available to you. While they each require a hand to hold, you may make two strikes with each of them using a single ACT as long as both are in your possession.

This pair seams best to me at the moment.
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so far if im reading this right...

REVOLVER- 6
DEFENDER- 5
GEMINI- 2
SWORDARM- 0
GUNSLINGER- 0
SHEATHED- 1

seems to be the vote.

Revolver i think deserves to win. as i said, 6 shots gives us so much versatility and potential damage output we would be silly to pass it up. 6 shots down range each turn is absolutely a devastating amount of power output, no matter the round types we use.

Defender i think would be the best second choice. Shu has always struggled a bit when shes put on the defensive in melee, and i think more ways to give her a high chance of blocking attacks will give her many more openings.

Gemni feels like a waste. we really dont need more attacks, and tend to focus on getting in singular, hard hit over multiple hits. at Range it really doesn't do anything for us either, we just dont fight groups where we would need to heavily spread out our shots often enough. Shu also sucks at parrying on her own, so two swords wont help us as much as the Sword automatically helping us on its own.

Swordarm just feels kinda redundant. it removes a very useful tool from Shu, she cant get it back til the next turn, and i feel like our swarmlings can just rush in themselves to better effect. plus, we can already do similar enough with a Rook.
also, id be surprised if we never get a swarmling augment to fire their stingers off.

Gunslinger is just overshadowed by the fact it only works on the first turn and only one shot.

Sheathed is good, and like i said, we work better with getting out singular hits when its not our swarmlings, but i can see the fact it takes ammo slots as a big issue, but if we time it right i think it probably would be the most potent damage output on the list.

just my two-cents as i was tracking the votes anyways, take it as you will.

>>3661694
oh, it works against projectile attacks too. ok yeah that is amazing then.
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>>3661703
>>3661705
make that

REVOLVER- 7
DEFENDER- 5
GEMINI- 3
SWORDARM- 0
GUNSLINGER- 0
SHEATHED- 1

got ninja'd it seems at the last second.

>>3661696
>>3661684
please do not lewd the game.
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>>3661718
Its just a bit of teasing. nothing wrong with having a bit of fun, in my opinion.

and i would guess that things like that would still happen its just wether or not we acknowledge them
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>>3661718
oh. sorry. I re-read the post and realized that the warmth was from Karma asking for our attention.
>>3661684
>>3661537
Amending my after-upgrade action:

>Group photo time, dream daughters, living daughters, soon-to-be-alive daughters, maybe some almath ghosts... everyone gathers together for a group photo at the Elevator Entrance to Almath with the city as its backdrop.
>Then say your goodbyes, pack up and go home to consume the spoils and take a well deserved break.
>When we head back to the Dragon's lair. Mess with the Core Console and create a giant bed for everyone to flop in and collapse. Everyone gets to sleep and share a giant communal dream.
my vote stays the same.
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>>3661537
>>HEXANE REVOLVER: Karma’s capacity has evolved to carry a full six rounds, each one nestled within the confines of the revolving chamber that now sits just below the length of its peerless blade. MAX AMMO: 6

>>GEMINI’S BLADE: While in Lionheart Form your blade splits into two identical copies, each one half of the ammo capacity available to you. While they each require a hand to hold, you may make two strikes with each of them using a single ACT as long as both are in your possession.

Everyone seems to be hung up on the melee function of Gemini, ie. 4 melee attacks per ACT, but I'm more interested in being able to fire four rounds per ACT. If we get some more round types, we could absolutely destroy people with debuffs with this upgrade. It also seems like a great foundation for most of the other upgrades, which we can still pick up in the future.
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>>3661738
Gemni wouldn't increase our shot count per round. the Revolver would. BHOP already said we can 'fan the hammer' to fire off all six round, though id imagine thats mostly just fancy talk. Gemini simply splits the rounds into two separate weapons, but would not increase or decrease our fire rate.
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>>3661745
I posted that before I saw bhop's post but Gemini seems like the best platform for future contender upgrades and I would rather get it sooner than later. So many of these upgrades are more effective with multiple weapons.
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>>3661779
and honestly thats just his opinion if i may be so bold. he wont be the one actually using it, so what we think will fit better or can give us better utility in the end will, over what he intended. plus, with the implied notion certain abilities will lead to others you couldn't get before, id much rather get a high level counter and see where that goes, over just splitting the blades.
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>>3661735
Oh, and supporting this after-upgrade plan.
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>>3661705
>>3661718

well, the final vote comes out to;

REVOLVER- 8
DEFENDER- 5
GEMINI- 4
SWORDARM- 0
GUNSLINGER- 0
SHEATHED- 1

practice round is over, now we move onto the REAL vote haha.
its gonna be a long, grueling night, and im looking forward to it.
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>>3661880
Nah i dont think it will be too bad as long as everyone remebers what has been discussed in the last Vein no one has to start murdering each other


I think we are better equipped, informed and had more preptime so i guess it will be a bit easier especially since we only have to discuss if we want to take Isabelles Remorseful Spark and not her full personality(and its free if we want it)
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>>3661894
if that is what the spark is. i mean, it probably is, but id at least say the fact Isabelle herself chose 'permanent slumber' could mean its something else.

so long as the opening idea i have id agreed upon i think itll stay civil and clean though, or at least as much as it can.
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>>3661880

>>3661894

Dealing with an Isabelle who's wide awake and full of issues after her breakdown in the dreamscape and voting on whether or not to take her in? That's the real shitshow.
at least it won't have that big of a debacle since Isabelle's dreamstate (if we do consume her) will be come a complete non-factor.
(She'll probably be shown constantly sleeping in in a private isolated section of the dreamscape and everyone always takes great care to not rouse her or something like that.)
Poor girl.
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>>3661912
We had that shitshow already so no reason to pull it back out.

Now the Spark might be a small boost for Shu without her having to deal with isabelle ever again. Though i think there is gonna be a shitshow if Sam ever manages to even partially break out and wakes isabelle or finds parts of isabelle strewn about in Shus Dreamscape.
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>>3661912
true, though i still feel that discussions gonna be an unclean one. she wanted to let everything go for good, i think we should do it. the chance of her waking up to be trapped in a corner with nothing but her memories just sounds like torture. at least letting her truly pass on there might be something better on the other side, something she can actually enjoy.

otherwise the only major issue m worried about is points spread. sometimes there one or two Anons who for some reason have to throw that for a loop even after it was otherwise agreed on.
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>>3661929
Pointspread was

7 on Shu
8 on Rath
8 on Julia
8 on Amara
8 on Dorian

and 5 for the Cores on Gina
GG also gets the NEuromancylevels of Julia, Rath and Drian? i think that was agreed on

Just making sure i have not overspend anywhere
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>>3661942
yup, that was the consensus of numerous Anons in the last Vein. i mean, there was more agreed on than just that, but all of that is correct yes.
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>>3661942
Yeah, that was the plan. Plus whatever we can recover from the Remorseful Spark in regards to the Acceptance option, which BHOP said was separate from picking B'Ni's mindstate up. Probably going to give her Dogged Sprinter levels to Dorian, let them merge with Spring-Heeled Jack. Not sure what to do with the rest of her build, though, we might just melt it down with the Sparagmos Engine for extra points.
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>>3661942
Perhaps even Verurteilung from Dorian and Amara.

>>3661923
I think BHOP did it like this so we specifically don't have to worry about that stuff and can still take it, after the whole dream B'ni argument last thread. He also confirmed that Sam had no impact of agency, and that despite all her rage she's just a rat in a cage, so I don't think we have to worry about her waking up Isabelle.
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>>3661953
>>3661942
>>3661961
>>3661968

even though I was not part of the discussion yesterday in last vein's closing hours, But unless we have a mass-change of heart, the point-spread will be relatively unchanged.
That said. I think we should reserve some points for the Midnight Crew.
Their fight against Vultha's Statue really showed that they're falling behind on the curve combat-wise or need a desperate tune-up with their ability powerset with the Sparagmos engine.
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>>3661942
But yes, I'm stating that I'm iffy on consenting to the point spread until we get to the voting bit.
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>>3661961
Maybe or not take it at all and just put them into normal level ups for abilities. We also agreed on tow hybrids up front.
One was the Neuromancy/Leash Hybrid on Shu and the other was the Badger Ripper Hybrid on Julia

>>3661968
I have to say i might be persuaded to give Dorians Verurteilungs level back but not Amras. I want that fearinducing Carnage Symbiote Hybrid that makes the Monster under Amaras bed hide from her instead of the other way around

>>3661972
The Crew are getting their own points. the points we are spending is our part of the pie

They have already feasted upon the statues and are probably getting their fair share of Isabelle with us getting first choice
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>>3661961
i think we are only getting some levels of Dogged and the Greaves, as he said it was the stuff from before she went AWOL so our investment isnt ruined. honestly Dorian already has plenty of mobility options better than the Greaves, and i think his scythes already fill said role well enough too. giving someone else the greaves might be better, albeit not sure on who. honestly no one we have feels like they would do well with a kick Ability.

>>3661972
i disagree, i think BHOP already said both are taking into account us giving the midnight crew their share. we have more than earned our 44 points, of which 9 are from a source they already got first pick from, and the rest is from a source we have a personal connection to and have non power level reasons to take the cores from, which is the only reason to go first.

>>3661976
like i said, always going to be someone trying to complicate things.
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>>3661972
>That said. I think we should reserve some points for the Midnight Crew.
Don't worry, they already got some points. They ate their share of the Phalanges, and I'm pretty sure they've got their own slice of rabbit.

>>3661985
>i think we are only getting some levels of Dogged and the Greaves, as he said it was the stuff from before she went AWOL so our investment isnt ruined. honestly Dorian already has plenty of mobility options better than the Greaves, and i think his scythes already fill said role well enough too. giving someone else the greaves might be better, albeit not sure on who. honestly no one we have feels like they would do well with a kick Ability.
Yeah, like I said, aside from giving Dorian the Sprinter levels we're probably just going to recycle the remaining levels with the Engine. I think the wall-skating from the Greaves might be cool, but not any other part of the ability so we likely shouldn't bother with them.
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>>3661983
so you only want to keep Amaras Ver for a hybrid? not sure if thats a good enough reason, plus doesnt Dorian fit the fear theme better?

>>3661991
yeah, im fine just melting Greaves down for levels. the issue is then who to give em too, but i guess we can decide that based on how many we even get in the first place, plus the fact Dorians already getting Extra+.
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>>3661993
Not only for that but that is one of the big points of why i would like to keep it.
Another point would be that she already uses Area Denial with Queen Crimson so making sure the enemy also gets debuffed and does not want to approach her the Verturteilung is one more piece in keeping her safe.

The Cannon is alright to defend herself with but still does not really fit her all that much.

Team Composition is also something to consider.

If we have Gina with us we already have very good detection capabilities. Amara fills the same nieche by a different application of abilites.
Having both of them on the Same Team just appears to be a waste to me. SO doubeling down on the ability makes sense for me since i do not plan to ever really use them on the same team together. We also might not always have a clone with us to fill that role. They might get destroyed or we lose them in a chotic battle so having someone else that can inflict the debuff is useful as well

If we can give her real defenses either with Calcite Armorer or something that lets her hold her own in Melee i could maybe be persuaded to let go of it but i would really like it. Plus she can flare Verurteilung while being invisble under the Shawl. Queeen Crimson on the other hand is highly visible and would give her location away immediatly.
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>>3662028
It could also disguise Amara's presence by tricking the enemy that Queen Crimson is the source of the Fear Aura.
I for one would like to see Queen Crimson somehow Hybridized with Ver to create a MENACING BLOOD STAND
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>>3662028
well, thats just no fun. trying out all team comps is a wonderful thing and helps everyone bond. i think Gina and Amara could do really well together.

and while i still want to wait to see, id honestly probably be ok giving her the Calcite Core in exchange for giving Gina back her rightful levels.
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>>3662039
>>3661985
it does make me wonder what sort of abilities the Midnight Crew got out of their share in levels from the Amalgam statues.

Granted, they did get their own form of a Lion's share of this entire trip in the form of really good Relics (like Ace with the fucking Golgotha axe).
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>>3662039
Isn't Gina going to have those levels back when she revives? The Halo backed up her data, didn't it?
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>>3662043
curious too, though BHOP said the statues had alot of Augments, so that might be what they got too.

>>3662046
still came from her and is still a boost to her to get them back, while keeping to her role and skillset.
and i still dislike having duplicates of abilities on people, so if we are going to keep them on Dorian and Amara id want to hybridize both sooner than later.
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>>3662046
Yeah, it would actually double her levels in Verurteilung. Which I admit to being curious to see.

>>3662043
>it does make me wonder what sort of abilities the Midnight Crew got out of their share in levels from the Amalgam statues.
BHOP said that they finally got some Health and Bio regen out of it, so they probably got new abilities instead of continuing with their existing skills.
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>>3662039
Well we can do that then we have two wizard one is controlling the Terrain and the other gives biffs while both can debuff. I can see the application but doubeling down is not something we always need. Especially if it concerns perception.

While getting ambushed is bad we can deal with it. I will also propose to always either have Amara or Gina in the party. We need an Augur Array to notice people/amalgams coming. We do not always need them together

>>3662050
Which is why i am okay with Dorain giving it back but i would like Amara to keep hers for a specific hybrid i had in mind as well as making her more survivable by makung people want to stay away from the creepy place that shouts strange words at them and contains a Carnage Symbiote

>>3662046
She will have her levels but we can buff her by giving back the Neuromancy that most people dont use and maybe Verurteilung as it has seen only limited usage on Dorain. Amara has made great use of it
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Well, I'm going to sleep. I hope that the Acceptance and point distribution votes won't be over when I wake up.
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>>3662062
Later, anon. Don't worry, we're probably going to be at this all night.
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>>3662046
you're right on that. Given that she's got 7 levels in Neuromancy in her saved data disk, if we gave them all back, she would have doubled her core level to lvl 14 and gone into the double digits with stage 4 corruption.
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>>3662062
Have a good rest Anon maybe you will be able to catch the tailend of the discussion
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>>3662050
>still came from her and is still a boost to her to get them back, while keeping to her role and skillset.
>>3662056
>She will have her levels but we can buff her by giving back the Neuromancy that most people dont use and maybe Verurteilung as it has seen only limited usage on Dorain. Amara has made great use of it
Oh you guys meant returning the powers obtained by acceptance. For a second, I thought you were saying she was starting back at level 1. Never mind.
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>>3662056
eh,i actually disagree. though it would be specific circumstances, i can see plenty of times we would just need to bulk up on just our hard hitters. we have done it before to tremendously great effect. we do not always need Gina and Amara, hell most of Ginas own perception comes from the Halo, which everyone has and hers actually hasn't increased hers since the same level of everyone elses.

speaking of actually, i still want to hybridize Ginas Halo and Neuromancy. and i think we could do it now with the Neuromancy she will be getting back.

fine, Dorian gives it back, Amara keeps hers for a hybrid.

>>3662062
i think BHOP said hes gonna give us nearly 24 hours or something. rest well Anon.

>>3662065
i dont think physical corruption is something to worry about honestly. our family i dont think will care about it, if anything some might think some of it is super rad.

>>3662073
oh, no. she wont be.
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>>3662080
wait, no dammit, Ginas only getting 4 levels back of Neuromancy. not enough for the hybrid on its own. unless giving her her Core does something wonky. we could sacrifice the Ver levels from Dorian to do it, but feels like it defeats the point.
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>>3662080
That might be a good idea we are gonna have that discussion when we come to her i guess she will be the tailend of that particular Discussion after we distributed everything else. Also she will no longer be MIA so she can be returned to the main sheet nice. My Laptop alwys takes ages to load if i switch tabs in the doc
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>>3662065
Plus, BHOP said that Gina has leveled up her skills via Dream Daughter conversation, too. So even with only handing back the four levels of Neuromancy on Rath, Julia and Dorian (Shu I think should keep hers), Gina's probably at least level twelve. Girl's gonna have one strong brain.

>>3662080
>speaking of actually, i still want to hybridize Ginas Halo and Neuromancy. and i think we could do it now with the Neuromancy she will be getting back.
I'm not sure. Our endgame involves using Neuromancy, so I think we really do want as strong an unadulturated skill as possible. Maybe after we get Gina to her capstone in Neuromancy, she's closer to it than any other character.
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>>3662094
indeed. hopefully ill not need the MIA area ever again.
its much more likely to becomes a KIA next if anything anyways.

>>3662099
the Halo itself is a tool that was made to outright bend the rules of the Crucible. combining it with her Neuromancy can only help the process, with both how potent good Hybrids can be, and how potent Halo hybrids seem to be. i dont think it will hinder our endgame at all, probably only help it.
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>>3662099
If she leveled her abilities good for her we should then aim for making her a Hybrid possibly with another core as her normal skills wont go that high

BUt as i said a session of Discussiion is gonna have to happen over that after we are completely informed how much she has inproved. We can redistribute Levels with the Engine so not all is set in stone.

>>3662104
Yeah lets hope it does not come to that

hope such a dreadful word. I shall not fall for it in this cruel world of the crucible
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>>3662110
yeah, Hope is not a word i like to use in this Quest.
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>>3662080
Considering how big of a meme loving gamer girl Gina is, her Neuromancy corruption might manifest in the form of Neuron lines moulded in the pattern of Fate series Mana Circuits.

Still. Even after consuming and resting we still have a big list on our backtab like

>Purging the Gamma West Conduit from the Ion Cannon throat relic and having it delivered to Francine. Or having the other West created Relics (the Nail and The Spine) purified (having their dream daughters extracted by Francine's associate)
>Getting our Cars back from the Forest. (I think Shu could remotely drive the car now)
>Giving November a Bath.

>>3662104
That reminds me, we might get better Crimson Cord Augmentations soon. And speaking of Crimson Cords, I feel like the Crimson Cord implant blocker (key'd to Isabelle) has served its purpose now and should be removed. It's a neat relic otherwise.

>>3662099
I think with Gina, we should Hybridize the Halo and Neuromancy at lvl 15 or 20. Or even leave it separate since we have the Ascendant's crown to play with.
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>>3662117
i dont want to go digging around in Shus head for a bunch of loose wires. sounds like a very bad idea.

nah, honestly the ascendants crowns got way too high a cost in my opinion. maybe use it temporarily, but overall i feel like everyone having individual Halos is much much better. that and i really at least want to do Ginas hybrid now to see what it does. it just feels like a Halo+Neuromancys gotta be something potent as all hell even for a Halo hybrid.
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>>3662117
That reminds me, we might get better Crimson Cord Augmentations soon. And speaking of Crimson Cords, I feel like the Crimson Cord implant blocker (key'd to Isabelle) has served its purpose now and should be removed. It's a neat relic otherwise.

I am not sure we can remove it without causing irreperable damage to ourselves. something to ask Francine about when we give her the purged relics back

and give November a bath in some strong acid and a new overcoat of paint. then we can talk

Yeah they may manifest as lines of Neuromantic Matrial that pulse with energy. Would be cool. Always trying to capture that feel if i make someting put of Neuromantic materials. I think Neuromanc lends itself very good for crystals and gems. (Who doesnt love a psychic gem)
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>>3662127
>>3662117
im still of the Opinion Dorian and Julia should teamup to give her armor some kickass etching.

while Amara 'helps' by covering her armor in bows and stickers while jumping up and down in excitement.
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>>3662135
Yeah some minor etching that shimmers as it catches the light would be very cool.

Oh god we can never rob a convenience store and tell amra abaout it or she will never let it go we did not get her Stickers
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>>3662140
>rob convince store
>skirt the sticker issue
>her Fuzzbuzz guardian sees that as an 'emotional attack' and tells her the truth.
>have to go back and get her ALL the stickers.
>never again find an item or surface in the penthouse without a sticker.
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Fuck I hate Shu so fucking much, is she dead yet
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>>3662135
>November all decked out in shiny polished armor
>Dorian giving November a nice aesthetic paint-job complete with decal and flair befitting of a Mecha soldier (think customized Gunpla)
>with Julia sculpting Aesthetic flairs and trim alongside Rath working November's Forge body.
>Amara just puts this big fat red bow on the side of November's head that looks completely out of place.
>November just looks like a Girly 40k space marine.
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(Gentlemen, I am back home and writing now. Apologies for the delay, as it was an exceedingly busy Friday.)

>>3662150
(Not yet Ozmas. Better luck next Vein.)
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>>3662159
best part is November would not say a word nor allow anyone else to i bet. not that anyone probably would, mind you.

>enemies and neutrals think she looks silly
>for November, its a badge of pride and fuels her fighting spirit.
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>>3662172
well FUCK BHOP this must of been one HELL of a Monday for you if your minds jumped back to thinking its Friday.

you ok man?
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>>3662125
I think the Crown is going to be invaluable in the end game, but right now it's kind of disappointing, yeah. Right now it's good, but costs too much because it requires removing our own Halos. But it gets better as the components level up. I think end game, with a bunch of max-level Halos, it would be insanely strong.

Also, there are apparently other types of Halo than Neurotic, it's just the most common for some reason. Maybe the Neurotic Ascendant was really into the idea of spreading them around, I don't know. But since they're both Relic and skill, I think it's possible that we'll gain access to caches of other Halos somehow, that we can use for the Crown without having to sacrifice our neurotic Halos. Like maybe we loot them off of dead enemy Daughters who have gotten Radiant Halos or Swarming Halos or whatever.

>>3662127
>and give November a bath in some strong acid and a new overcoat of paint. then we can talk
And then Rath blushes so hard she literally catches fire (entirely possible, for her), because we're giving her aunt a good scrubbing down.
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>>3662159
I dont think she looks overly girlish

But the 40K Spacce Marine theme is definetly there. Maybe we could get her a Salamanders Paintjob....... Or maybe an Iron Hands Paintjob she is more Machine than man and we all know the Flesh is weak
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>>3662183
well, i could be wrong, but i think the type of Halo might shift as it conforms to the wielder. its just that doesn't start til at least level 4, and id imagine doesn't fully form or really start diverging heavily til much later.
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>>3662179
(...Good Lord. My apologies, Gentlemen.)
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>>3662198
no reason to apologize, though it is making me worry about you a bit.
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>>3662198
Well it is probably a good idea then that you get some R&R as soon as possible to be prepared for when we have chewed this enitre matter through and the end results are here looking like they just came back from D-Day ripped to shreds
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>>3662186
>>3662174
It just makes me wonder what sort of upgrades we can put on November, not only in the Forge core department, but also modify the body type of her Forgebody.

It's possible to customize it so that she could look different. With bodies ranging from a 40k Space Marine (apparently her default look) to something boxy and modular like a Gundam or even something more organic like an Eva unit.
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>>3662232
she does not have the ridicoulesly oversized shoulderpads but otherwise probably corret in that assesment.

Its probably a style choice. Asthetics are comperitavely easy once the body iself is in place.

If we go for any change in style i would personnaly go for more of an Eva style(as much as i dont like the show itself just never really got into it) the style of the Demimechs is neat and probably the closest thing to what we really have here.

But at the Moment i quite enjoy her 40K Style(as long as her plasma weaponry does not blow up anyway)

Modifications
Extra Energypack on her Back to extend her Orperational range even after she used an Autumn Prtocol by having backup cores that can supply the power to the smalle rweapons

Shouldermounted Missilelauncher that fires Generator Missiles of different Damagetypes

Chainsword in her Fists to make a Chainfist(perfect for gutting heavy targets and letting out the Doomguy in you to play)

Extra Armor plating reducing her speed but increasing Damage Reduction
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>>3662232
>>3662257
well, BHOP said theres a very specific way she levels up, and its not via a Forge, so guess we have a road trip to partake on.
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>>3662262
Yeah i will write it down on our shopping list. We can run that errand as we give the pruged relics back to Francie. She might also get us some credit at the DOs equivalent of a prostehics store for new parts Or plans how to create our own custom Equipment
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>>3662262
>>3662271
I'd be fine with taking a detour to upgrade November, considering we're about to get a ton of upgrades for everybody else.
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>>3662257
>Shouldermounted Missilelauncher that fires Generator Missiles of different Damagetypes
We'd have to remove existing equipment to fit them, she's already got guns in her shoulders. We only know of the one that unlocks at Tier Three, it's a plasma mortar that lets her serve in an artillery role.

Speaking of artillery, we should check out her tank at some point. We didn't get a chance to use it on this mission because we wouldn't have been able to fit it in the elevators, but if we're just exploring I can see it being useful.

>>3662271
BHOP said that we'd have to talk to the person who built November's new body to unlock her customization menu. Given that Francine is very strongly implied to be that person, I think she can definitely tell us what we need to do.
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>>3662275
WE can take the Detour after finishing what we wanted to do for Francine no sense in running twice for errands that can easily be done together. Purging the Rlic is also not gonna take to long with Gina and Shu working together
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>>3662275
well, im ok with it being the first thing we do away from the base sure, but first we have the consume choices, then possibly stuff with the midnight crew, then a mountain of backed up notes and files to look through. and we still haven't even asked Uzu for permission to browse the journal yet.
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>>3662279
Well i was more like mounted on top of her shoulders instead of in her shoulder kind of like pic related
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>>3662275
>>3662271
Well we only have 2 forge cores on hand, if we want to keep them all refreshed and recharged, we need to grab a third core since a single forge core can't recharge unless it's bathed in the flames of another active Forge core in a Forge. We might have to grab Four Forge Cores then.

>>3662279
Hmm... We'll also have to make a Garage for the Tank too.
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>>3662293
why would we need that? we know November can survive for at least a little while with no active core, so recharging the T3 is entirely possible right now, and certainly something we should do.

plus, whatever her Tank is currently being powered by. how the fuck do we have a Tank and yet to have used it yet?
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>>3662301
I feel like the Tank is reserved for big boy stuff like battling behemoth-class foes. Also, the Tank might also have its own upgrade tree.
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>>3662301
I am pretty sure it was considered unsusable in the Armory Raid as it was to big. Then we had to make speed not something a tank is particulary good at over extremely rough terrain And then there was no time i think we simply never thought to take it with us

>>3662293
I am sure we have a Garage at the Party it was told to us that she has parked it in the Lair
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>>3662301
Because we were planning a dungeon crawl and didn't anticipate the tank being able to fit in the elevator, even before we learned we'd have to go to Almath. Plus, on the way there we would have had to pass through a forest that the tank couldn't have easily fit through. Now that we don't have a big overriding goal to pursue and can explore a bit again, I'm sure the tank will be very useful. Or just for going on open ground to destinations we know but don't have a waypoint to. The Disassociated Ones, for example, when we go to deliver the clean beam focuser to Francine.
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>>3662315
>>3662311
>>3662301
>Now that we don't have a big overriding goal to pursue and can explore a bit again, I'm sure the tank will be very useful.
Except Ozma's has placed Shu's Family at World's Most Wanted and has sent Charon after us. It's only a matter of time. And this time we don't have the environmental advantage of a Hexane City to deal constant DoT damage nor the supporting power of Dream daughters. It'll be just Shu, the Family, and the Midnight Crew against the Hexane's Strongest Frontline Fighter. And I think the only way to buy time against Charon is to quickly assemble the Neurotic Crown.
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>>3662333
Yep, that's why I'd like to trade some points with the Crew to get them their own Halos, use that to make the Crown. But a tank would still help a lot in holding off Charon, so we should still take it. We never know when they're going to strike, after all.
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>>3662333
im not so sure about that. Mara might still be holding Charon off. i doubt shes an easy one to just escape from either. its also very possible Mother still has to use points to shift the list/shift Charons focus, which she has like, 3 of?

i dont think we yet have to drop everything and go bastshit insane sacrificing everything just to get Halos.
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>>3662333
Right now a swap with the Crew for some neurotic halos. Hell we can give them halos have them remove them and do it all again. Right now we only need the level 1 Version of the Neurotic Crown to stop the Geas from Affecting Charon

>>3662346
THis is true but if Chaorn gets away from Mara we are screwed if we dont have the Crown.
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>>3662333
The Crown doesn't exactly buy us time, it's just that we need it to be ready for when Charon arrives, otherwise we'll have to fight and either get slaughtered (not unlikely unless we camp in Almath to abuse Dream Daughter shenanigans) or kill Charon. But I agree that we should assemble it ASAP. I think most anons are keen to give the Midnight Crew Halos when we get back to the Lair?

As soon as it's ready we can get to exploring with the tank.
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>>3662350
im not so sure, i mean, maybe, but i still dont think we have no time to do anything else nor do we have to drop everything to do it.

also the Halo wont save us. we would still have to somehow get it on her head, which would involve a fight still. im not so sure after this we will be as helpless as others think, but i also think people are highly overestimating the Crowns usage here.
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>>3662373
It's less that we're overestimating it and more that we can't see any other way to win a fight with Charon. Nobody thinks it will be an instant-win, but getting that crown on their head is going to be a lot easier than killing them.
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>>3662373
If we can get our own halo primed and then get attacked by Chaorn we might be able to abuse the counter mechanic to put it on cahorns head as a critcal counter

Or Chaorn goes a bit easy on us if Mother lets her any choíce and we then are able witha an insanely boosted rath to put the Crown on Chaorns Head. Maybe we can Assault Chaorn in the Dreamscape while someone stays out and outs it on Chaorns Head.

I just dont want a pre spiraling fear disaster again. So i want to be prepared
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>>HEXANE REVOLVER & DEFENDER'S EDGE: Unlocked

You give the Contender's new cylinder a sharp, fluid spin before snapping it back it into place with a satisfying flick of your wrist, and within minutes you've been able to wrangle everyone back to the entrance of Almath. It takes some assistance from Gina and Rath to get everyone all in one spot, though Julia and Dorian take the longest to gather as you have to practically tear them away from their fervent cataloging of Almath's resplendent recollections of times gone by. Once everyone's gathered you're able to make an impromptu selfie-stick of extended limbs, snapping a picture of everyone with the Hexane capital as the backdrop. You try to shake the feeling you're being watched as you say your goodbyes, casting one last glance at the ruined expanse before giving Gina a kiss on her forehead, along with a promise that you'll see each other soon.

Your world tilts, and it doesn't stop as you reappear at the Dragon's Roost with your party and the Midnight Crew in tow. Your vision swims as you stumble over to the Core Console and craft a colossal bed in the middle of the carnage you've had no time to repair, given the whirlwind of events of the past few hours. Coming to rest next to it, you sit on the edge as you allies collectively groan, throwing themselves onto the comfortable sheets and forgiving mattress as you retrieve the Emerald Memory from your pocket. You turn it over absent-mindedly before casting a glance towards the pile of biomass and rubble in the corner, a collection of the Phalanx's remains.

Looking among your friends and family, it strikes you that even though you all took some time to yourselves not but a few short hours ago, you're all completely and utterly exhausted, having been brought to the brink several times over with recent events. There will be time to rest again, soon enough. You have a lot to do, a lot to read...and the knowledge that you're more than likely priority number one on Charon's involuntary hit-list is beginning to weigh heavily on your mind.

You take a few sweet, merciful seconds to collect yourself...

...and then you get to work.

>>PARTY LEVEL-UP

>>LEVEL-UP POINTS AVAILABLE: 44

>>NEW SKILLS/ACCEPTANCE OPTIONS AVAILABLE: https://pastebin.com/n7gVPWa0

>>Gina will be regenerated into her new body at the level at which she left, and you may choose to infuse her new body with additional skills as you see fit from the list above or from the Daughters available to you at current.

>>Please note that some of Isabelle's skills have been altered due to the ramifications of your decisions, with noteworthy changes being capitalized.

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next sixteen hours, with posting to resume in approximately eighteen though I shall keep you all informed as to any schedule issues that arise. I shall be around for a fair portion of the evening to address questions as they arise, and any I do not answer tonight I shall address first thing in the morning. Thank you all so much for your time, participation, and enthusiasm, and I hope you have a great evening one and all.)
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>>3662470
RIGHT, lets make sure this is clean as can be my fellow Anons. It'll do so much better for all of us if we do things one character at a time.
44 Points. 5 to Gina so she can get the Human Cores. She obviously needs her own, and otherwise had all of those Dream Daughters before, with the exception of Eloise, who still id think is most comfortable being with Gina and the others, who shes already gotten to know.
That leaves 7 per person, 4 leftover, which i think would work best if Dorian, Amara, Julia, and Rath each get one extra.
I think Dorian and Amara could use the Hexxane Cores the most, but we can fully decide on that and Isabelles ACCEPTANCE choices as we do each character., aswell as her Spark thing.

I'm thinking we should go in order of the sheets. So Shu, Rath, Julia, Amara, then Dorian, then i guess technically Gina though her entire thing is still being done a bit differently due to the circumstances. Sound good everyone? To try and keep things sane, please reply to this post first, and if everyone agrees we can then quickly move on to the vote afterwards, or once we work out any kinks in this plan here first.

id say we also should give ourselves a few moment to go over the pastebin too, of course, before we start.


also oh, the spark is just an extra life. ok neat.
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>>3662478
Isabelles acceptance skills are technically extra levels yes?
also you forgot the stat increases for MIRROR.

Thanks for all your hard work though!
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>>3662470
Huh. I didn't realize that Meg's core was Hive Mistress-based. I assumed Gluttonous. Neat.

>>3662479
Yeah, definitely. I'm going to need at least ten minutes just to go over all the options and ponder the possibilities, before we even start debating builds.
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>>3662470

>Remorseful Spark being a consumable relic that gives Shu a second chance to revive.
>Isabelle giving us a second chance to live.
My heart. ;_;
After all we've been through with her...she still somehow makes me feel conflicted.

>>3662479
I think we should give ourselves a 30 minute prep time to digest the consume upgrades. Sound fair gentlemen?
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>>3662479
No complaints from me

iw ill also need some time

We start with Shu and work our way down yeah
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>>3662485
>>3662489
>>3662492

how about we start up Shus voting at say...8:20 then? CST mind you.
sound good?
ill post when its time, and we of course can TAKE our time assigning everything to everyone, no need to rush at all.
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>>3662496
so in roughly 30 Minutes?
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>>3662505
yes.
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>>3662505
yes.
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>>3662484
(Corrected, thank you for the catch.)

(And yes, anything listed under B'ni's 'Acceptance' option are free levels to be distributed as you please, with no point assignment necessary.)
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>>3662485
(Forgive me, it's a triple-hybrid of her original Fibromancer tree with the Gluttonous/Hive Mistress she consumed earlier. Corrections incoming.)
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>>3662533
We can melt down the free acceptance points at then Engine to bolster other abliites?

Was it something like that?
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>>3662560
(You absolutely may, if you wish.)
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>>3662560
we can, and was a discussion point i will be putting forth once the time comes. lets give everyone their time though.
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>>3662568
Do Hunter's Fury and Drain The Blood only apply to slashing attacks with Calcite skills, or all slashing damage?
Because if it's all slashing, then they're perfect for Dorian.
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>>3662560
>>3662518
Gentlemen, it just occurred to me that someone needs to spend one point in order to consume Gina's Core. We can't revive Gina unless someone volunteers to spend a point to take her core.
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>>3662579
It's already accounted for. That's why we're subtracting five from the starting value, not four. Gina's in the last of human Cores we're consuming.
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>>3662579
I dont know about your plans but i envisioned it that Shu took all the cores and then gace them to Gina.
THe cores are all planed out from my side
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>>3662579
yeah we already had that planned out, with 5 points set aside for Gina.
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>>3662577
(They apply to all slashing damage.)
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>>3662603
Do they also apply to the slashing damage of Relics?
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>>3662609
(Indeed, they do.)
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>>3662485
>>3662489
>>3662492
Right, so before we continue, I want to put forth something;
I do not think Secluded mind of the Greaves are worth it from Isabelle, and want to melt them down for extra levels. Shu would get the extra one and it would bring everyone up to an even 9 to work with.

Thoughts?
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>>3662618

I think the Font of Suffering might be useful for Dorian and should not be melted down. Otherwise nearly all skills of Isabelle have little use for us Maybe Hideous Strength for Rath but nothing else

as an aside 15 Points we can redistribute by sacrificing them at the Engine
I would say 3 For Shu
3 for everyone else
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>>3662618
>3662485
Melting Greaves and Secluded Mind is acceptable, however, I do want to keep 2 points of Greaves to give Dorian the Vertical Mobility just in case unless his mist form already does that.
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>>3662625
That is if we were to melt them all down but 15 Skillpoint we can distribute nontheless.

2 i would lock with Hideous Strength and Font of Suffering but nothing else
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>>3662611
What abilities would fuse together, between these new ones and our party? The ones that make sense to me are Solar Pugilist into Indignant Ignition, Elemental Digestion into Hungering Membrane (or maybe the other way around, since Digestion seems to be all-around better), and Dogged Sprinter into Spring-Heeled Jack. Are there any others?

>>3662618
Was just about to propose that myself. Yeah, recycle the Greaves and Secluded Mind. Bolstering Feast, too, I think. I can't see us being willing to waste level-ups just on improving stats, not when we have the Arbiter's Appetite. Keep the rest of B'Ni's build, though. Font of Sufering and Dogged Sprinter for Dorian, Hideous Strength for Rath, Ressentiment's Mirror for...someone, but as an extra Core I think we should grab it for stats. Or we could leave it for the Crew, I guess.
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>>3662625
nah man, we can combine those Dogged sprinter levels with Dorian to give Jack a MASSIVE boost.

i was gonna give Font to Shu. i suppose i can see the argument for FEAST, but then someone would end up with one extra level.

>>3662631
the greaves are worthless on him in against that.
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>>3662639
Shu's our back-up Neuromancer, and some of our actions (dual-techs) might count as concentration actions (particularly when we stun them). If anything Font of Suffering should go to Dorian, but We're getting ahead of ourselves here.
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>>3662625
>>3662631
>>3662638
ok so the overall consensus is to melt down Greaves and MIND to even everyones out to 9 Points at the moment.

the consensus seems to be to keep HIDEOUS and FONT, to which we can argue who to put them on LATER.

no one seems interested in FEAST, but who gets the extra point? my votes on Gina, just to keep things simple.

we have no consensus on DOGGED, melt it down or keep it, my votes keep it.
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>>3662639
I do not think we really need it but we can do that give Dorian like three level of Sprinter or two of Sprinter and an Augment

The Feast is utterly worthless for us with the Arbiter and the Engine

Ressintements mirror i can see no no one making use off sadly nice ability but we would have to popen Amaras Clones for that again.

Font is bad on SHu we have concentration asctions in our dualtechs so bad for us i would say

Greaves is definetly out the window as well as mind and feast
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>>3662652
I say on DOggedSprinter melt down any Dorian is not using shich would be what 2 or 3 Levels

We can give the extra to Gina sure makes her closer to that Hybrid we can try out
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>>3662653
Mirror gives us a boost from at least melting it down, so keep it to give to someone for stats.

you also did not answer the questions my man.
>>3662648
>>3662638
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>>3662652
I think Julia would benefit from Dogged Sprinter. She's a close ranged combatant and could stand to benefit from having speed by her side to keep up with Dorian. That or give some to Amara. Everyone could really use a speed boost.
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>>3662638
(Your analysis is correct, those are the ones that would fuse and count as boosted levels. Also, Digestion is better, so it would override.)
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>>3662655
My answer to your question is to Keep it, and Distribute them to Amara and Julia as free acceptance levels. 3 points of dogged sprinter for Amara and 2 points of dogged sprinter for Julia.
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>>3662663
Dorian is our speedster and in part giving him more levels from Dogged so it combines with Jack allows us to not have to directly put levels into Jack, thus we can focus a few points elsewhere. the Auto-merge is also said to give a boost, which means giving him more Jack this way is better than the regular.

Amara does not need Dogged. id prefer to give it all to Dorian, or swipe a level along with the FEAST level, to get the hybrid with Gina.

>>3662654
>>3662638
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>>3662655
The post you linked was written when i could not see what questions you had written down

Feast
We can give the extra to Gina sure makes her closer to that Hybrid we can try out

Dogged Sprinter: Give Dorian like one or two levels of it just for the boost and melt the rest down and melt the rest down to invest into Gina

You forgot the Mirror which i would like to melt down to then redistribute
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>>3662685
no, Mirror is a core. it gives alot of good stat increase. even if we do not keep the Core, we can condense it down into pure stats for someone. simply melting it down for ONE level would be a massive waste.

i want at least 3 Points into Jack from Dogged with Dorian, the rest can do to Gina sure, but that will mean she has 1 more now than she needs for the Hybrid. probably just chuck it onto Ver honestly.
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>>3662694
Amara might stand to benefit from Resentment's Mirror and hybridize it with Joyous Many. Although that's is a HUGE investment. It also put's Gretchen's dream daughter state inside Amara's head.
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>>3662694
sure. Well okay can we then put it(Mirror) onto Shu since she is alwas in th eparty it would not hurt her to stay a bit ahead of the powercurve of the entire party

Okay 3 points of Dogged into Dorian but this pool can not be touched to get Augments for him if we want any
We then have to reduce his other Level Up Options for him if we want any
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>>3662694
We can't say how many levels Gina needs to reach hybridization (which I'm still not sold on, but let's just assume for the moment) until we know what gains she got from Dream Daughter conversations. BHOP, can we get some figures on that? We don't need the know the details on how the skills improved, but knowing her current levels would help.
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>>3662711
(The actual numbers of the skills have not changed, but their overall efficacy and tiers have been increased. I was going to play with the numbers a bit, but I figured that would throw you off more than help you so I decided to simply buff the skills as-is. I hope this helps.)
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>>3662705
i dont think so, as Isabelle didnt have Gretchen. it might be like Ozmas core and be empty. im also not sure she really needs Mirror in Joyous.

>>3662707
im fine with this.

>>3662711
we can always break the hybrid down later. and fair point, but that might just be augments or something that wont matter til afterwards.
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>>3662718
BHOP is Gretchens Core empty?
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>>3662718
It does, thank you.

>>3662720
Okay, so we can get those three levels of Neuromancy off of Dorian and Julia. Want to keep the one on Rath, or recycle it for points? And then we just need three points to give to Gina, so that works. Okay, it all fits together. Two points of recycled Dogged Sprinter, one point of recycled Secluded Mind.
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>>3662727
(It is, as she was lost to the Nightmarish Horde.)
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>>3662732
Rath does not need it.

>>3662736
awesome.

>>3662732
Anon thoughts on
>>3662707
?
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>>3662732
Rath does not need it so recycle i would say my calculations have it recyled already and given to gina
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>>3662732
>>3662740
>>3662743
Gentlemen, I would also like to state that we should consider investing any spare points into Neurotic halo when given the chance so that we can also distribute it to the midnight crew via engine somehow.
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>>3662740
>Anon thoughts on
Sounds great to me. Get Spring-Heeled Doggo (I'm going to refer to it as that, now, I guess) up to level five, then we can take the points we would have been spending on it and put them to other uses. I'm partial to those two slashing Augments.

As for giving Shu the Mirror, I think that's good. Just to get her the stat boost, I don't think we're ever going to use it. Maybe even Refine it with the Engine?

>>3662743
Gina only needs three points, in addition to the levels of Neuromancy from Julia and Dorian. She'd get that from recycling two levels of Sprinter and Secluded Mind. So what do you want to put the extra level from Rath recycling Neuromancy on?

>>3662756
I figured we'd just trade them points from their skills for the Halos. Seems a bit unfair that we should have to pay for their upgrades, even if we plan on taking advantage of those upgrades. We're only going to use it for one thing, after all. They give us levels of their skills, we turn those into levels of Neurotic Halo, then we give them the Halo levels.
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>>3662756
thats not necessary, the MC can just temp hand us a level into Halo, then we hand the extra Halo level to them. if they want Halos, its on them, we cant FORCE them to take them either, so planning around that would be silly. we also cant be sure they will even always be around for us to take the Halos from them, so the LEAST they can do is pay the startup cost. they're our allie and our friends, but we dont need do them no good constantly giving them stuff, we ourselves need strength too, and we cant keep constantly siphoning it off to others technically outside the party.

i want to help them, but we dont need to give up levels over it. if theirs is similar to ours, they are getting 44 points out of this too, they can afford to spend a single point on a sueful ability like the Halo.
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>>3662775
>>3662756
>>3662743
RIGHT, SO HERES HOW IT SEEMS TO BE;
>Greaves, RECYCLED
>FEAST, RECYCLED
>>Used to bump everyone up to 9 Points.

>DOGGED SPRINTER, 2 LEVELS RECYCLED
>SECLUDED MIND, RECYCLED
>>Given to Gina for +3 Points

Neuromancy Transfers and other Gina related events we can leave til we get to her at the end. this all look right and sound good?

once i get all replies on a consensus, ill post the opening SHU post to start this off.
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>>3662756
I have those planned

>>3662775
Verurteilungs upgrades
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>>3662783
Looks good to me.
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>>3662783
Sure fine by me gives shu a couple more points to wor with and with the Mirror she will have 11 points allocated to her

Fine with me
And i would like to start on the real level ups
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>>3662736
>>3662787
>>3662775
>Literally The mood music for Level-up voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As6NRNCeMRI

>>3662783
Acceptable.
So we're preserving Font of Suffering, Hideous Strength, and 3 points of Dogged Sprinter while recycling the rest? Acceptable.
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>>3662795
i can not count she will have 10 points alocated to her in that instance
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>>3662718
Does Drain The Blood increase the healing received from Exsanguinating Leash, or only the damage?
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>>3662787
>>3662793
>>3662797
>>3662800
RIGHT THEN LET IT ALL BEGIN:

SHU VOTING STARTS NOW, 9 POINTS TO ALLOCATE.


my vote and thoughts;
SHU, 9 Points;
>Hybridize Leash/Neuromancy (3 Levels)
>Drill (2 Levels)
>Tread (2 Levels)
>Hive (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>RESENTMENTS MIRROR(STAT CONSOLIDATE)

I Want to see what that Hybrid will give us. I want to see what Drill and Tread lead to, so we know if they longterm are worth it.
Hive and Halo are just standard fair.
Mirror i kinda wanted to give to Julia, but i agree on just melting it down to give Shu a stat boost. This will also mean EVERYONE will be getting at least 1 core now, so thats good.
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>>3662800
(Both, in the long run.)
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>>3662806
You have 10 points allocated i count the Mirror as a point as well so my List would have to be

SHU
>1 Level Neuromancer
>2 Level Exanguinating Leash

Get the Hybrid
-> no cutting short

>2 Level Fear to Tread
>2 Level Heavens Drill
-> possibly reduced by taking Augments

Remorseful Spark for free

Redistributed Points:
>1 into Neurotic Halo
>1 into Hundred Handed
>1 into Mirror
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>>3662806

Shu:
9 points (excluding the fact that Shu will be consuming Gina's Core for Revival)

Leash/Neuromancy to lvl 5(3 points) Pending Hybridization
Drain the Blood
Heaven’s Drill
Fear to Tread
Neurotic Halo
Hive
Resentment's Mirror (sent for Stat refinement)

Gain Acceptance: Remorseful Spark.

My proposal.
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>>3662806
I'd like to give her Famished Fury, upgrading the Ravenous Maw to a five times automatic critical on anything that enters into melee with Shu. Plus raising the max Health bonus that she gets for finishing off an enemy with the Maw from 20% to 70%. I'd be fine with taking one of the points off of Drill or Tread to do this, maybe Hive since we're doing pretty well with it as well.

I'd also like to propose recycling a point off of Ravenous Maw to hybridize it with Hundred-Handed (lower Maw to four, raise it and Handed at the same time up to five). This one I'm not completely set on, but I think that the similar themes they share of extending Shu's reach and rapid motion means they should hybridize together well. I'd understand if anyone would prefer to save combining them until they're higher levels, though, I know some of us don't like the "hybridize at earliest possible chance" pattern we've had going on.

>>3662834
Mirror is Acceptance, it doesn't count to the point total.
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>>3662813
>>3662834
Mirror is free, its from Isabelle. you have one extra point missing.

personally i saw NO Augments that were good for Shus kit honestly. the only one id consider if FAMISHED FURY, but i wanted that on Julia to buff her Glutton abilities she has.

>>3662838
you are missing a point. BHOP said the Gem, a RELIC, does not cost a point.

we dont use the drill enough for DTB to be worth it honestly.

>>3662843
see above, i want Julia to get Famished. she will use it more often and to greater effect, Shu really doesn't need it.

if other Anons want to go for it, im ok giving Hand/Maw hybrid a shot. and consolidating abilities for less spread later is not at all a bad idea.
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>>3662843
I count it otherwise my Spreadsheet will explode on me

I count all the Acceptance as potential Pciks because they can be molten down otherwise i agree

A Hybrid of MAw and hundred handed seems like a bad idea. WE actuall ywant HH to be more upgraded over time it is extremely versatile and would lose that in the hybrid

THe Furry could be interesting i kind of glanced over it to be honest didnt seem intersting at the time
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>>3662806
SHU
>Drain the Blood (Leash augment)
>Exsanguinating Leash x 2
>Famished Fury (Maw augment)
>Ravenous Maw x 2
>Trypophilic Hive
>Hundred-Handed
>Neurotic Halo

I'm strongly against hybridizing Neuromancer and Leash because Leash is supposed to very powerful at higher levels, and will be even more so with Drain the Blood. I'm open to seeing what the hybrid is, as it is a cool combination, but I think we should keep Leash pure. Wouldn't be averse to giving Shu's Neuromancy levels to Gina.

Famished Fury increases the crit strike of Maw by two stages. Maw already does triple damage. It also boosts the max health increase for ending lives with it.

Hive, Handed and Maw are awesome, give them levels. Halo tax.
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>>3662852
No under no circumstances should we consolidate our Neuromancy only in Gina taht jsut asks for somethign stupid to happen. We alwas need a backup

>>3662849
We have the exact same number of pics and increases how am i missing a point
i just want to put one poin into HH instead of the hive
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>>3662852
well you're the only one not wanting to at least see what the hybrid will do.

save Fury for Julia. Drain the blood only works on Calcite Armorer classes, so it would only affect Shus Drill.
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>>3662849
>see above, i want Julia to get Famished. she will use it more often and to greater effect, Shu really doesn't need it.
Well, Shu can have it too. And we do use the Maw fairly regularly, it's just mostly mentioned in the background because it's auto-critting anything that gets near. If we raise it from three times critical to five time critical, it will be incredibly useful at taking down anything that gets into melee with us, punishing enemies that approach us and making swarms of minions an exercise in futility.

Plus, Julia doesn't have any particular critical-enhancing abilities, save for Frozen Fury, and that's more likely to be used to enhance the Bloody Ripper or Sculptress of Flesh than an attack with her Hungering Membrane/Elemental Digestion (we're giving her Digestion, right?). I think it would actually be more wasted on her than on Shu.
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>>3662838
>>3662849
I'm editing my proposal to reflect the Acceptance and the mechanics of melting the unused acceptance levels.

Shu: 9 Points

>Leash x 2
>Neuromancy x2
>Drain the Blood
>Neurotic Halo
>Hive
>Neurotic Halo x 2

Gain Acceptance:
>Remorseful Spark
>Resentment's Mirror (to be refined into stats)

Shall we begin debate?
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>>3662862
No, I asked BHOP. It's a Calcite augment but it affects any bleeding effect

>>3662577
>>3662603
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>>3662868
(I can confirm this. The Hexane Augmentations are unique in that some of their effects are not limited to their own individual skill trees due to translation errors between one Crucible and the next.)
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>>3662860
you were missing one on the one you deleted.

i can give up a Hive for a HH

>>3662864
i refuse to give duplicates of abilities.

Julia has two Gluttonous powers based around melee.

>>3662868
>>3662886
oh, ok, theres a reason it doing that, ok. ill take it if we only put Famished on Julia as a compromise.

>>3662865
we have been debating.
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>>3662865
wait a minute...why did I put Neurotic Halo three times?
Gah.
Amending my vote AGAIN.

>>3662862
Sorry if this causes you headaches

>Leash and Neuromancy to lvl 5: 3 points (Hybridization pending)
>Hunter's Fury.
>Hive x 1
>Drain the Blood.
>Famished Fury

Gain Acceptance:
>Remorseful Spark
>Resentment's Mirror (to be refined into stats)
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>>3662890
>i refuse to give duplicates of abilities.
Okay, then just put it on Shu.

>Julia has two Gluttonous powers based around melee.
Neither of which are about scoring criticals, which Ravenous Maw is. Julia's skills are for a continuous stream of damage rather than single heavy hits. I think it's better for Shu.

>oh, ok, theres a reason it doing that, ok. ill take it if we only put Famished on Julia as a compromise.
Nah, I don't want it on Shu that much. I was just explaining that it would function for her.
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>>3662890
If we can do that i would be completely fine with Shu having:

>1 Level Neuromancer
>2 Level Exanguinating Leash
Hybrid

>2 Level Fear to Tread
>2 Level Heavens Drill
no Augments. Non truly fit her

Redistributed Points:
>1 into Neurotic Halo
>1 into Hundred Handed
>1 into Mirror

Relic:
>Remorseful Spark
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>>3662893
no, Hunters fury is going elsewhere, as Dorian and Amara both need two to help their stats catch up, Shu in no way needs two.

we also DO NOT NEED more abilities on her. im willing to take Drain but not Famished.

>>3662901
any ability can still score a crit though.

i wasn't talking to you with the Julia comment though. unless im misunderstanding in my confusion to try to respond to everyone?
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>>3662862
>well you're the only one not wanting to at least see what the hybrid will do.
Maybe. That doesn't invalidate my opinion. Negotiating level ups has easily been one of my favourite parts of BHQ. As I mentioned, I'm open to being persuaded to seeing what the hybrid does, it's a cool combination, I was keen for it a few Veins back. My reasoning is largely that various comments over the threads have hinted that Leash is great at high levels, plus Fury will make it better, as confirmed here: >>3662812. Thus I'd prefer not to hybridize. Your thoughts?

>>3662860
That seems fair. I don't mind Shu having Neuromancy, just don't think it's worth leveling. Now that we've got Gina back, Shu has better things to do with her Acts.

>>3662852
Adding Resentiment's Mirror for refinement, that's a fine idea >>3662806

>>3662890
>>3662901
Appetites covers Julia's body so Famished Fury could be argued to affect her Frozen Fury crits, which would be pretty great. I'm for putting Fury on both of them. I agree in general about duplicates, but augmenting different abilities is an exception.
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>>3662924
i still want to at least SEE what the hybrid does.

im just against duplicates, and allow you to think whatever you want of me for it, but it just one of those things that i dont like and dont want. it just feels cheap and i like trying to make everyone's kits truly unique and their own, and doing that muddles it.
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>>3662915
I can agree on your compromise proposal to take Drain the blood in exchange for dropping Famished Fury

In response to your comment about Hunter's Fury, I'll drop that and put in another point into Neurotic Halo.
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>>3662901
i do not think you have posted a vote. it would help if you did, so i could post a proper vote score so we can work off of what is popular and lock things down so we con focus on points of contention.

>>3662934
ok
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>>3662924
Gina will not always be there we need a backup and we have the augments Gina has so we will be as good as controling the battlefield as she will be

The Augments are not that worth it on Shu i think. They jsut do not feel right if you get what i am saying. Just rasing our abililtes further will get us mor than these augments will in most cases

>>3662932
>>3662934
COuld you guys agree to this proposalif i do this
>1 Level Neuromancer
>2 Level Exanguinating Leash
Hybrid

>2 Level Fear to Tread
>1 Level Heavens Drill
>1 Level Drain the Blood

Redistributed Points:
>1 into Neurotic Halo
>1 into Hundred Handed
>1 into Mirror(for Refinement)

Relic:
>Remorseful Spark
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>>3662915
>any ability can still score a crit though.
Yeah, but if we're going to give a critical-based ability to someone's build, I'd want it to be on a build with a reliable way to score lots of crits. Frozen Fury gives Julia criticals, yeah, but intermittently.

>i wasn't talking to you with the Julia comment though. unless im misunderstanding in my confusion to try to respond to everyone?
That or I am. Don't worry about it.

>>3662924
>Appetites covers Julia's body so Famished Fury could be argued to affect her Frozen Fury crits, which would be pretty great. I'm for putting Fury on both of them. I agree in general about duplicates, but augmenting different abilities is an exception.
I'm sure it can apply to her Famished Fury crits. But most of the damage from those isn't going to be Gluttonous-type, it's going to be from her claws or Sculptress of Flesh. I don't think we're likely to specify using the Fury crit with her skin.

>>3662940
Sure.

SHU
>Leash x2
>Neuromancy x1
>Famished Fury
>Neurotic Halo x1
>Fear To Tread x2
>Heaven's Drill x1
>Trypophilic Hive x1

>ACCEPT: Ressentiment's Mirror

>RECYCLE: One point of Ravenous Maw, invest into Hundred-Handed, see if hybrid looks to be worth it.
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>>3662945
yea thats good enough for me. still trying to get a vote out but, er, things are super scattered so give me a moment.
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>>3662932
>>3662886
BHOP, given that we can move levels around at the Engine, if it's not too much trouble could we get a peek at Neuromancy + Leash? I think that would inform voting and save us swapping points around later.

If we can't get a preview, I'd be happy to move a point from Maw to Neuromancy. That would make my vote: Drain, Leash x 2, Neuro, Fury, Maw, Hive, Handed, Halo, Mirror (refine).

I see what you mean about duplicates. To me Fury seems to be just a straight boost to existing abilities, which retain their uniqueness.
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>>3662959
take your time i got all day, leaves me time to pour over my notes for Rath
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>>3662964
>>3662886
honestly please god no this is difficult enough without people being able to just start asking over any and all hybrids. im not trying to be a dick it jut feels like another giant caveat that would muddle voting even further.

ill take this as your current vote then?
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>>3662964
(My apologies but I am afraid I must refrain for now, given the added layer of complexity doing so might open. However, rest assured that even the hybrid would be incredibly potent, given Neuromancy and Leash's respective powers. There are never any bad hybrids, and if you're displeased with it or find it lacking, re-specs are an option now with the Engine.)
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>>3662981
Thank you OP............ That would have been a can of worms i would not open with a kilometer long pole and would not wish upon my greatest enemy
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>>3662981
Thanks, that helps a lot!

>>3662973
Yes, that is now my current vote.
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>>3662965
>>3662964
>>3662956
>>3662934
RIGHT
VOTES SO FAR.

>Neuro/Leash Hybrid (3 Levels)- 5 votes
>Tread (2 Levels)- 3 votes
>Drill (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Drain (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Halo (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Halo (2 Levels)- 1 vote
>Handed (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Hive (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Maw (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Mirror Stats (free)- 5 votes
>Famished (1 Level)- 2 votes

LOCKED IN;
>Neuro/Leash Hybrid (3 Levels)
>Mirror Stats (free)


POINTS LEFT, 6 POINTS;

my thoughts;

>Tread (2 Levels)
>Drill (1 Level)
>Drain (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Handed (1 Level)

if im being honest, the major point of contention is between Handed or Hive, to which i prefer Handed.
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>>3663003
>Tread (2 Levels)
>Drill (1 Level)
>Drain (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Handed (1 Level)

I will support this Spread as it is more important in my opinion now to strengthen our utility with the Hands and increase the potency of Bleeding attacks
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>>3663003
Where's Remorseful Spark? I thought we agreed to take that as ACCEPTANCE. One does not simply refuse an auto-revive.

My vote:

Drain the blood
Halo
Hive
Famished
Handed
Drill
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>>3663013
>>3663003
These sound pretty good, I'll vote for these.
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>>3663017
Remorseful Spark is a relic. It auto-consumes when necessary. I don't think we need to vote for it, but I'll certainly support it if we do need to.
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>>3663017
I htink it was just forgotten to be written down. It is literally only good for Shu and free so no reasen not to take it
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>>3663017
It's a Relic, it just exists on its own, no need to absorb it.
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>>3663017
its a relic so isnt part of this, and is literally only usable by Shu so is a moot point to vote on. its going to Shu theres just no reason to list it here. BHOP also said it was free and would not cost points.

>>3663021
got it.
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>>3663003
Tread and Drill are currently the same level and most want to hybridize them; why are we putting 2 levels into one and 1 into another? Could anyone be convinced to put 2 points into both or 1 into both to free up a point for Fury or Hive?
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>>3663036
People want Drain The Blood to upgrade Exsanguinating Leash. It counts as a bleeding effect, so it would get upgraded.
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>>3663036
i dont want Fury on Shu.

the only thing important to hybridizing is making sure they reach 5,10, or 15 at the same time. being 1 point off from eachother is not that big a deal.
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>>3663036
WEll it does not matter if we can get them to Level 5 at the Same time.

I want one free point for Halo so we can give it to the midnight crew to slot into the Crown

There is also this>>3663041
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Back from work. Are we just doing just Shu at present?
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>>3663041
>>3663046
wait, thats what they want it for? but Leash doesn't even technically cause bleeding i dont think, it just steals Health Regen, it doesnt apply the Bleed effect. and even then, BHOP said it only applies to slashing damage, which Leash isn't.

thought we were getting it for the lionheart...
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>>3663056
WEll it also effects relics and nearly everything slashing as long as we get something to bleed it will be affected
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>>3663054
Yup, Shu's the only person we've gotten to so far.
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>>3663054
yes, with two things currently 'Locked In', due to the process we are using to avoid confusion and keep things running smoothly. id suggest doing a quick skim from

>>3662806
this post downward, or if you want to be more caught up with the 'Locked In' stuff

>>3663003
this post downwards.
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>>3663046
No, that was me phrasing things weird when I was asking for Dorian's sake, it's any bleeding effect. And BHOP confirmed it applies to the Leash.

>>3662800
>>3662812
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>>3663056
Bhop said it augments Leash at later levels. So it counts.
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>>3663036
>>3663041
so, votes?
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>>3663054
oh, and
>>3662783
keep these in mind too please.
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>>3662981
BHOP, would DRAIN THE BLOOD and HUNTERS FURY work with the Contender? If so that would be a very potent upgrade to our sword game.
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>>3663066
I gave my vote. You already counted it. Nothing of the current lock-ins has invalidated anything in my proposed build, so take it as it is. Famished Fury, Neurotic Halo, two levels in Fear To Trad, Heaven's Drill, Trypophilic Hive.
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>>3663071
>>3663059
>>3663058
Thank you. I'll dig In to the debate after I've properly digested the banquet of Information In the pastebin.
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>>3663041
>>3663046
I'm all for Drain too. To clarify, I meant why not put the point from Handed into Drill, or take the extra point from Tread for, say, Handed or Hive? We're spreading points out a lot as it is. Personally, I'd prefer to focus points into Leash, Hive, Handed and Maw, and do Drill/Tread later when other things are maxed, but since Drill/Tread is popular now, why not focus on getting the hybrid faster. The more points we put in it now, the more likely we can hybridize at the next opportunity.

>>3663066
Changing my votes for Fury, Maw, Hive, Handed to Drill x 2, Tread x 2.
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>>3663078
well, it helps if you repost it after those section, just to help things flow better. the point of doing it and 'locking in' things is to use that opportunity to try and re-negotiate and rethink how you wish to vote, now that you see where a consensus might be.
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>>3662981
Also BHOP, would Virulent Persistence allow us to double our normal number of swamlings, or would that not count In regards to the mentioned constructs? I forget.
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>>3663089
Okay.

SHU
>Leash x2
>Neuromancy x1
>Famished Fury
>Neurotic Halo x1
>Fear To Tread x2
>Heaven's Drill x1
>Trypophilic Hive x1

>ACCEPT: Ressentiment's Mirror

>RECYCLE: One point of Ravenous Maw, invest into Hundred-Handed, see if hybrid looks to be worth it.

Hey, I just thought of something, though: Who are we going to give Churem's Core to? I think some of the match-ups make sense. Speaker of Hope to Amara, Elemental Digestion to Julia, Solar Pugilist to Rath, Fibromancer to Dorian. But what about Hunter's Honor? A new Calcite Armorer skill isn't really needed by any of our party, are we just going to take it for stats and interrogating Churem? Who should we give it to, then?
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>>3663084
>>3663081
>>3663078
>>3663062
>>3663058
>>3663057
Right, we have made some solid ground then. technically a 4 is a consensus too with the numbers we have, but for now ill only count 5, unless people really want to move on?

VOTES;
>Tread (2 Levels)- 5 votes
>Drill (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Drill (2 Levels)- 1 vote
>Drain (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Halo (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Handed (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Hive (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Famished (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Maw (1 Level)- 1 vote


LOCKED IN;
>Hybridize Leash/Neuromancy (3 Levels)
>Tread (2 Levels)
>Drill (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Mirror Stats(free)


POINTS LEFT, 2 POINTS;

my thoughts are the same as before;

>Drain (1 Level)
>Handed (1 Level)

i really want FURY on Julia instead, and think Handed is a better for us right now than Hive.
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>>3663117
im planning to give Cherum to Dorian. still of the opinion giving both Dorian and Amara 2 is necessary for the stats. we're jumping the gun here though.
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>>3663117
I wanted Chirem to go to Amara so Amra will be better able to protect herself in Melee better. the speaker to Amra as well
The Generator to Rath as an Augment
THe Gluttonous and Fibromancer to Dorian they need it except Rath there it is just best used

>>3663124
>Drain (1 Level)
>Handed (1 Level)
Same Vote as before
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>>3663124
I think Fury works really well for Shu with Ravenous Maw, it's literally "everything good about Ravenous Maw gets an upgrade". As for Handed, I'd like to take a level off of Ravenous Maw as it is right now, give it to Handed, and see if we like the hybrid it offers. If it doesn't, Ravenous Maw level six isn't a huge loss, I'd be fine with losing it for the time being.
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>>3663077
(Yes, they would.)

>>3663102
(Yes, within certain limits at its current level.)
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>>3663124
Drain the Blood
Hundred Handed.
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>>3663102
all the human Cores are going to Gina, as they were her dream Daughters first and it makes sense to keep them together.
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>>3663138
i dont think anyone else is wanting to try out the Maw/Handed hybrid right now.
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>>3663144
>>3663102
she also needs the stat boosts greatly to catch up.

>>3663138
and i still think it would be a major boon on Julia.
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>>3663138
While the Hybrid yould be interesting it is just not worth it to cut so deep into the development of two good trees so early. Maybe at level 10 but not earlier in my opinion.
Ther is more we can do with Hundred HAnded right now we can still learn and find out about it

And the Maw also needs some more time to grow. I want Mouths to be able to sprout everywhere to eat enemys
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>>3663136
>I wanted Chirem to go to Amara so Amra will be better able to protect herself in Melee better. the speaker to Amra as well
I guess? Amara isn't really a blade user, but maybe she could learn? And I do want at least one inhabited Hexane Core in Amara, for the awkwardness of the alien bug-person warrior having to deal with the little kids. Churem was supposed to be some sort of justicar, too, so you know they'd be super out of place there. Alright, I'm convinced.

>THe Gluttonous and Fibromancer to Dorian they need it except Rath there it is just best used
Nah, man, give Julia the Gluttonous. It fuses with Hungering Membrane, she'll get a big upgrade by both increasing the level of the skill and replacing it with a superior version. Dorian needs more health, but Spring-Heeled Jack raises that by a pretty good amount per level and he'll probably be getting Hunter's Fury for an 80% boost, too. He'll be fine, I think.

>>3663149
Eh, alright, I still want Famished Fury, though. It makes a lot of sense for Shu. Her build is based mostly around single large hits, it makes her large hits even larger, I don't see the problem. If we really can't double up for whatever reason, I think it would be an inferior option on Julia. She won't be making enough Gluttonous attacks for her normal critical rate to proc it often.
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>>3663159
id be utterly surprised if Membrane does not get her an auto-attack as a counter later on.

so your votes...
Famished and Hive then?
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>>3663124
Changing Drain, Drill (second level) to
>Drain
>Fury
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>>3663124
I thought I would be more up In arms about the vote but I'm not. Thinking about It I have no problems with your suggestion as I don't particularly think any of the cores or augmentations would be best on Shu compared to others.

>Drain (1 Level)
>Handed (1 Level)
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>>3663159
I would really like the Glutonous on Amra because Amra also needs the Stats she is pretty much food for many dedicated Melee or Ranged attackers. She needs something fo rboth close and ranged combet
The Calcite Armorer i want not for Weapons but Armor. She can have a bow with witch she can snaekily attack from under the Shawl to then blend again into the Shadows
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>>3663165
Famished and Drain.
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>>3663172
Okay, but that would be three Cores on Amara. That feels excessive. We're already giving her Ozmas' empty Core. And her stats aren't that bad, she's actually more hefty than Dorian right now. She doesn't need three Cores, as much as we want to protect our precious daughter Daughter. Two, at most.
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Who's next by the way? Someone easier to decide on, like Julia or Dorian maybe?
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>>3663178
I agree, we should try to keep the number of cores on everybody the same. (With Gina as an exception, we'll be able to catch up to her in no time.)
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>>3663178
Your right those were my old notes before i knew we could get ozmas Core i then wrote down Skintalker and Calcite core


She only get stwo cores

i actually put the GLuttonous and Fibromancer on Dorian he needs them bad as well and the GLutton is very useful for him as it allows him to spread damage over two health pools
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>>3663136
>>3663138
>>3663143
>>3663167
>>3663169
right, well 4 is still a majority (we have 6-7 people here), so Shus finals comes out to...

SHU, 9 Points;
>Hybridize Leash/Neuromancy (3 Levels)
>Tread (2 Levels)
>Drill (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Handed(1 Level)
>Drain (1 Level)
>Mirror Stats(free)


RIGHT, NEXT UP THEN, RATH.

RATH VOTING STARTING NOW, 9 POINTS TO ALLOCATE;

my thoughts;

RATH, 9 Points;
>Ignition (2 Levels)
>Alabaster (3 Levels)
>Grasp (1 Level)
>Forgemistress (1 Level)
>PLATINUMS EDGE (1 Level)
>SOLAR PUGILIST (1 Level)
>HIDEOUS STRENGTH
>FONT OF SUFFERING

Ignition is kickass, and Alabaster is good armor and i want to see where it leads.
Grasp is iffy on its own, but i think it could be used as Hybrid material well, but lets see what it does first.
Forge is obvious, lets get our forging up and better.
Giving Rath MORE anti-defense via PLATINUM sounds amazing.
I wanted everyone to get at least 1 Core, and SOLAR fits Rath the best. Think of it as an Ignition Augment.
Hideous Strength will make Rath even more kickass
FONT OF SUFFERING i think will work best on Rath, as keep in mind, she CONSTANTLY at the front, where shes most likely to be struck by neuromantic cords or powers, and she also takes the brunt of our hits, so having a minimum Health Regen and the inability to properly go down would be amazing on her.

let the voting begin.
keep in mind ill post the finalized voting results for everyone at the end, so you can post more then.
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>>3663124
>>3663169
I was wrong, apparently. After taking a second look I very much like Famished Fury, It's perfect for Shu.

>Drain
>Famished
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>>3663192
Ah Rath now i got a doozie for you guys

RATH
>1 Level Indignant Ignition
>1 Level Erupting Grasp
>2 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton
>1 Level Absorb Generator Core as Augment for Ignition
>1 Level Forge Fingers
>1 Level NEON JAUNT (Generator Augmentation): Radioactive Napalm that she can trail and does not harm us whats not to love
>1 Level PERMAFROST RESILIENCE Getting Rath another element to work with should be really useful especially if we get NEON JAUNT and i think frost damage is something not many people here will have adaption to
Also it could show that she is starting to have her hot emotions under control and being able to make cool decisions and everyone that hits her gets burned and frostbitten which is possible at the same time i htink

Acceptance options for meltdowns and taking:
>1 Level >Hideous Strength: More Powa
>1 Level Fingers( from melting Greaves)
>1 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton(from melting Bolstering Feast)
The Penetration one is less useful as we have Burrowing Blast for her Ignition which she spends a lot of time in during fights
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>>3663197
>so you can post more then.
sorry, you can DISCUSS more then, on points you still dont agree on with Shu or others.
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>>3663197
I changed my vote from Handed to Fury, not sure If that changes things or not.
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>>3663197
RATH
>1 Level Indignant Ignition
>1 Level Erupting Grasp
>2 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton
>1 Level Absorb Generator Core as Augment for Ignition
>1 Level Forge Fingers
>1 Level NEON JAUNT (Generator Augmentation): Radioactive Napalm that she can trail and does not harm us whats not to love
>1 Level PERMAFROST RESILIENCE Getting Rath another element to work with should be really useful especially if we get NEON JAUNT and i think frost damage is something not many people here will have adaption to
Also it could show that she is starting to have her hot emotions under control and being able to make cool decisions and everyone that hits her gets burned and frostbitten which is possible at the same time i think

Acceptance options for meltdowns and taking:
>1 Level >Hideous Strength: More Powa
>1 Level Fingers( from melting Greaves)
>1 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton(from melting Bolstering Feast)
The Penetration one is less useful as we have Burrowing Blast for her Ignition which she spends a lot of time in during fights
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>>3663192
>>3663197
RATH
>Solar Pugilist
>Resplendent Thread
>Golden Strand
>Platinum Edge
>Hideous Strength
>Ignition x 2
>Alabaster x 2
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>>3663197
My current proposal:

Rath: 9 points
>Solar Pugilist
>Neon Jaunt
>Platinum Edge
>Golden Strand
>Fusion’s Fulmigation
>Permafrost's Resilience
>Alabaster Endoskeleton
>Ignition
>ForgeMistress Fingers

Acceptance: Hideous Strength, Font of Suffering.

Rath has Tensile Strands and Phantom Limbs. Golden Strands and Platinum edge can augment her Tensile Strands Big time.
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>>3663197
Just a question: Would you be willing to concede your "no doubling up skills" for Drain The Blood on Dorian? Because it would work excellently on him, bleeding damage is his jam.

Anyways, on to Rath. Platinum's Edge is worthless on Rath. That one is specifically just for Fibromancy skills. Rath's only Fibromancy skill does blunt damage, not slashing or piercing. Toss it, replace it with Golden Strand. That gives her an additional level of elemental resistance whenever she's moving or attacking with either Fibromancy OR Vitruvian powers. So whenever she's using the Tensile strands, or just having Ignition active. It's a great ability for her.

I'd also like to give her Neon Jaunt. It's not super important for Rath, but I think giving her some area denial would add to her capabilities nicely, especially as her mobility increases. I'd take a level off of Alabaster Endoskeleton for that. I'd be willing to go without it, though.
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>>3663197
PLATINUM'S EDGE only deals with slashing and piercing immunity, Rath doesn't seem to deal with a lot of that.

Wouldn't that be better served on Dorian or Julia so they can better deal with tanks themselves?
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>>3663213
>>3663235
I'm would be happy to put a point into Neon Jaunt on the condition that Dorian also gets it. He moves around a lot more than Rath so could easily fill the whole battefield with lightning.
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>>3663251
I agree with this, although it works well on Rath, it works even better on Dorian.
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>>3663251
That's what i intended for Dorian. Give him Neon Jaunt so that both Rath and Dorian can bounce about the level and leave trails of elemental damage.

>>3663241
Rath uses tensile Strands to sever limbs. Platinum edge helps her bypass Slashing immunity.
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>>3663251
>>3663251

That would be possible i can certainly try my best to get it onto him as well

How about this
>1 Level Indignant Ignition
>1 Level Erupting Grasp
>2 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton
>1 Level Absorb Generator Core as Augment for Ignition
>1 Level Forge Fingers
>1 Level NEON JAUNT (Generator Augmentation): Radioactive Napalm that she can trail and does not harm us whats not to love
>1 Level PERMAFROST RESILIEnce

Acceptance options for meltdowns and taking:
>1 Level >Hideous Strength: More Powa
>1 Level Fingers( from melting Greaves)
>1 Level Alabaster Endoskeleton(from melting Bolstering Feast)

So could you guys support this?
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>>3663203
>>3663213
Neo would be MUCH better on Dorian, Rath doesn't move around enough to use it to any good effect.

i want at least 2 levels into IGNITION.

i dont want new Abilities on Rath, so i dont want PERMAFROST. Rath has enough defenses, and Ice doesnt mix well with her themes at all.

were giving Gina one of those Acceptance points you have there. Rath should only have 9 Points including Acceptance Points that are being recycled.

i want FONT on Rath, it will work best on her.

>>3663222
the Firbromancer is going to Dorian ,and both Dorian and Amara are getting two Cores as they need the stats the most.

Rath doesn't move around enough to use Golden Thread.

>>3663235
Rath doesn't move around enough for Golden Thread.

i want more than one point into Ignition.

i dont think Fulmigation is worth it, relies too heavily on meeting the same elemental type.

i want at least two levels of Alabaster.

>>3663240
no. its a hardline thing for me to not do duplicates.

Platinum edges IGNORES OTHERS slashing and piercing protection, not deals it or has to use it to deal it.

Golden is worthless on Rath.

>>3663241
re-read it, it ignores OTHERS slashing and piercing resistances. you yourself do not have to do slashing or piercing to use it.
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>>3663257
>Rath uses tensile Strands to sever limbs. Platinum edge helps her bypass Slashing immunity.
No it doesn't, that's a Vitruvian skill. Platinum Edge enhances Fibromancy. This one specifies the class type.
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>>3663197
>Solar Pugilist
>Neon Jaunt
>Golden Strand
>Fusion’s Fulmigation
>Font of Suffering
>Alabaster Endoskeleton
>Ignition
>ForgeMistress Fingers
>Hideous Strength

Massively Increase her defenses, give solid boosts to her strengths and give her area denial and the potential for Ignitions ally heal effect to be more potent giving small heals here and there as allies pass through It.
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>>3663262
I'd argue that Golden thread is still viable on Rath due to the fine print stated here:
>The peerless nature of your tensile form is now vastly enhanced, granting you one level of resistance against all elemental damage as long as you are attacking or moving using your Fibromancer/Vitruvian abilities. (BIO +60%)
>As long as you are attacking or moving using your Fibromancer/Vitruvian abilities
Rath constantly attacks with her Phantom Limbs, and she usually moves about with Tensile Strands. So I argue that it's a really good augment as it also covers other elemental defenses.
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>>3663262
>no. its a hardline thing for me to not do duplicates.
That's ridiculous, why did you vote for Drain on Shu, then? It's so much better on Dorian.

>Platinum edges IGNORES OTHERS slashing and piercing protection, not deals it or has to use it to deal it.
If the attack doesn't deal slashing or piercing damage, then it doesn't matter if it ignores protection against slashing and piercing damage. It's like having the ability to ignore your enemy's fire immunity and then hitting him with ice.

>Golden is worthless on Rath.
You don't think it's worth it to give an increase to Rath's defenses every time she moves or attacks? She's our tank and our DPS, it's a great bonus. Are you just getting hung up on the mobility trigger? It also procs in any turn she's attacking with any of her skills other than Radiant Boils.
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Well i think i will be out of this discussion for a while got to get myself some breakfast probably be back in an hour or so

>>3663262
I think it would be good on her

ANd no i dod not take to many acceptance points. If we were to melt them all down we would get 15 Points which translates to 3 Pooints for every living daughter Na dwhich acceptence point would that be exactly they are all the same if you break them down

Giving her another damagetype will be very useful

Just think of all the new combos one could create based off of steam and water

Well iam off for now see you later anons
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>>3662673
Looking at this, it seems Resplendent Thread wouldn't fuse with Tensile Strand, I guess because it's already wrapped up in Ignition. That in mind, >>3663240 is a good point, Platinum's Edge is not good for Rath.

>>3663256
>>3663257
>>3663260
Jaunt it is then.
Changing my vote from here >>3663222 to
>Solar Pugilist (fuses with Ignition)
>Golden Strand
>Neon Jaunt
>Ignition x 2
>Alabaster x 2
>Forge Fingers x 2

>Hideous Strength (acceptance)
>Font of Suffering (acceptance)

I'd prefer Permafrost on Julia, it would go well, thematically and mechanically, with Frozen Fury.
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>>3663197
Reviewing everything that other people have put forward as build proposals, I'd like to submit one of my own.

>Indignant Ignition (1 Level)
>Alabaster Endoskeleton (2 Levels)
>Erupting Grasp (1 Level)

>Solar Pugilist (1 Level)
>Resplendent Thread (1 Level)
>Golden Strand
>Platinum Edge
>Fusion's Fulmination

>Font Of Suffering
>Hideous Strength
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>>3663270
You're forgetting that Hideous Strength and Font of Suffering are free, from acceptance. You can vote for two more things!
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>>3663262
Keep Golden Thread on Rath. Dorian will also get Golden Thread as well, but I'll toss Platinum Edge and Fusion Fulmigation on Rath and put one point into Ignition and Alabaster each. Is this a good compromise?
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>>3663197
RATH
>Solar Pugilist
>Golden Strand
>Indignant Ignition x2
>Alabaster Exoskeleton x2
>Forgemistress' Fingers x1
>Erupting Grasp x1
>Neurotic Halo x1

ACCEPT: Hideous Strength
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>>3663278
i disagree, both Neon and Golden are horrible wastes on her, if Rath has to move soemthings gone wrong, plain and simple. she does best getting to the enemy and sticking close, and both are then absolutely wasted on her, over putting the points into other things for sure. shes not a Mobile fighter. we use the strand to trip and tie up enemies much much more than we ever use them to move.

>>3663284
because it was a comprise and i had other ideas for Dorian that i think will work better.

her strands deal slashing, and we use them to attack more than we use them to move around.

Rath doesn't move around enough to use Golden or Neon to good effect compared to putting those points elsewhere, especially over Dorian.

>>3663287
we didnt melt them all down, we kept 3 points of Dogged for Dorian.

Ice doesn't fit her theme.

>>3663290
fffs, stop giving worthless mobility options to someone WHO ALMOST NEVER MOVES.

>>3663306
i dont do duplicates. i want that Core on Dorian, not Rath.
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>>3663306
>>3663235
>>3663262
I'm revising my vote to this:

>Solar Pugilist
>Neon Jaunt
>Golden Strand
>Permafrost's Resilience
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2
>Ignition x2
>ForgeMistress Fingers

Acceptance: Hideous Strength and Font of Suffering.

I'm tossing Platinum Edge and Fusion Fulmigation in exchange for 2 points into Ignition and Alabaster each. Does that sound fair?
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>>3663301
It's a good build, but note that Platinum Edge Isn't something Rath can use. She doesn't have a Fibromancer ability to cut with, so It won't work with her threads and thus Is useless. Let's give that to one of the slashers, like Julia or Dorian.

Replace It with Neon Jaunt, as In addition to crowd control which could be useful for creating an impassable wall for swarms, It could also be used with her IGNITIONS healing function to heal all allies In her wake.
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>>3663314
no because Golden and Neon are still on there.
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>>3663305
Ah, thank you anon. I'll do so momentarily.
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>>3663313
>her strands deal slashing, and we use them to attack more than we use them to move around.
And her strands aren't Fibromancy. Platinum Edge only enhances Fibromancy abilities, not all slashing damage. The only Fibromancy damage that Rath can deal is blunt type.

>Rath doesn't move around enough to use Golden or Neon to good effect compared to putting those points elsewhere, especially over Dorian.
Again, it triggers when she attacks as well as when she moves. Rath should be attacking every turn. Golden therefore works great for Rath.
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>>3663313
Golden can be used when attacking to, and Rath Is always, always on the attack. At that point It just lets our tank tank better.
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>>3663330
no, its doesn't, BHOP said the hexxanes apply to all damage types equally.

>>3663330
>>3663339
ill be willing to take Golden if we drop Neon.
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>>3663139
Just out of curiosity, why are B'ni's maxed hybrids augmentations rather than abilities with 15 levels in? Is it because we deleted her Core, which those abilties were hybridized with?

>>3663313
>>3663319
I can see your point regarding Neon but I don't understand why you dislike Golden on Rath so much.
>one level of resistance against all elemental damage as long as you are attacking ... using your ... Vitruvian abilities
Ignition is partly Vitruvian so this will proc a lot, even when Rath isn't moving around.
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>>3663342
>>3663340
ill be fair and say i didnt see it worked on attacking, only moving. that is my bad, but pleas,e keep in mind im trying to consolidate and talk to everyone and keep things organized behind the scenes, im going to miss things.
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>>3663342
(It is, you are correct.)
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>>3663340
Neon would work on Dorian with his Accumulated Charge right? If we agree to put It on Dorian that I'd accept.
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>>3663314
I'd rather put Font of Suffering on Dorian. Scarlet Terror level four means that Dorian doesn't get knocked out when put into death saving throws, just reduced to one act. Give him the ability to actually heal back to full instead of have to stabilize, combine it with his great health regen, and he'd be really hard to put down. After the hits he's taken, I think he could use it.

>>3663340
>no, its doesn't, BHOP said the hexxanes apply to all damage types equally.
No, he said that some of their effects don't care about class type. Some. >>3662886 Platinum Edge explicitly states that it applies to Fibromancy, unlike other augments like Hunter's Fury that are a more general "slashing damage" and don't care about the source.

>ill be willing to take Golden if we drop Neon.
Sure, I don't have Neon in my vote, anyway, I realized it's better for Dorian.
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>>3663352
that was already my plan
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>>3663360
fucking..you're right. fucking BHOP threw me off there saying that siht earlier.

i now feel like i need to go punch a wall god fucking shit fucking damnit.
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(Gentlemen, I am afraid I must go to bed. Sleep well, and good luck. Also know that I am willing to extend the voting period if need be, since I'll also need time to make flavor text for everything, as well.)
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>>3663360
You make a good point, he doesn't have a lot of armor or hit points like Rath so he probably needs It more.
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>>3663349
No problem dude, thanks for the work you are doing!

>>3663351
Thanks OP. I thought about saying 'oops' but if she had her Core the last Vein might have gone a lot lot worse.
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>>3663367
Goodnight BHOP, thanks again!
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>>3663366
It's okay, we all get caught up on misreads, sometimes. Let's just be glad that we've sorted out the confusion, and don't have to argue about it anymore. So, are you fine with putting that level into Golden Strand, then?

>>3663367
Good night, BHOP. Have a good rest, we probably won't. Oh god we're going to be up until like five in the morning on this, aren't we?
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>>3663360
>>3663340
Lets negotiate then.

>Solar Pugilist
>Golden Strand
>Permafrost's Resilience
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2
>Ignition x3
>ForgeMistress Fingers

Acceptance: Hideous Strength

I'm dropping Font of Suffering to give to Dorian can make good use of the hp recovery mechanic with his insane hp regen.

Sound good?
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>>3663366
(My sincerest apologies, Anon. It was meant to keep the ability from being too broken, so I'm sorry if what I said earlier threw you off.)
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>>3663366
Anon It's alright. You've got a lot on your plate, take a breather.

Here, It just clicked after midnight where I'm at and we're going to be here for a long time, so have a small gift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIoaQcx1haI

A bit of easy listening for the thread, If some slow jazzy bass Is to your taste.
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>>3663380
I'm not convinced on Permafrost's Resilience. Rath is pretty focused on her fire and radiation now. Plus, with Burrowing Blasts it's not like she needs to swap to a different damage type to deal with an immune enemy. If we need to get ice damage, I'd say put it on Julia with Frozen Fury.
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>>3663378
if we do not take Neon then yes

>>3663380
i still want Font on Rath.

still dont want Permafrost, i dont want more level spread.

theres no alabaster there.

honestly dude i dont even have my own vote in order as its been thrown into the grinder, so ill need time to catch up with everything. fair?

also my entire vote ive worked 10+ minutes on is now thrown for a loop, yay...lemme go subtract your old and add your new then real quick...
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>>3663378
yup. we're going to be here for a while. Especially when we have hardliners and have to negotiate.
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>>3663380
I'm personally not a fan of Permafrost on Rath, I feel as though it could be better used with another party member.

To contrast, I think Hideous Strength would work wonders for her, as she's a melee attacker who already has significant damage dealing potential.
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>>3663270
>>3663197
Changing my vote, so Ignore my old one.

>Solar Pugilist
>Golden Strand
>Fusion’s Fulmigation
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2
>Ignition x3
>ForgeMistress Fingers

Acceptance: Hideous Strength

>>3663380
We've got pretty similar tastes, but I think Fulminous would be better on Rath for It's endless scaling potential. She already breaks through immunities, now she can do so and scale her damage each turn.
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>>3663380
Agree with dropping Font of Suffering, but >>3663387 is right about Permafrost's Resilience and I'm not convinced about dropping Jaunt, not married to it either though.

On a separate note, I love the idea of everyone getting Jaunt (hypothetically, don't panic). Like the party crossing the countryside trailing fire, frost, lightning, blood and fists.
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>>3663404
I like this build, I'll vote for it.
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>>3663404
>We've got pretty similar tastes, but I think Fulminous would be better on Rath for It's endless scaling potential. She already breaks through immunities, now she can do so and scale her damage each turn.
Fulmination is procced by taking elemental damage, not dealing it. Rath would only scale each turn if she was fighting someone else who was attacking with heat and radiant damage.
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>>3663408
fffffs and i was JUST about ready, ok well now i gotta edit your votes now, everyone gimme a second please im almost there.
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Also, I'd like to point out that Solar Pugilist merges with Indignant Ignition, so it would count as a level put into that in addition to the benefits it grants as an Arbiter Core.
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>>3663413
Hmm. While you're right (thank you, I missed that tidbit), It doesn't change the fact that It's good on her. More limited, but still very good on her.
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>>3663433
>>3663423
>>3663408
>>3663407
>>3663396
>>3663287

RIGHT, VOTES SO FAR;

>Solar Pugilist (1 Level)- 7 votes
>Golden (1 Level)- 6 votes
>Neon (1 level)- 2 votes
>Permafrost (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Alabaster (2 Levels)- 7 votes
>Ignition(1 Level)- 1 vote
>Ignition (2 Levels)- 3 votes
>Ignition (3 Levels)- 3 votes
>ForgeMistress (1 Level)- 6 votes
>Forgemistress (2 Levels)- 1 vote
>Grasp (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Halo (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Fusions (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Hideous (free)- 5 votes
>Font (free)- 2 votes

my votes, to avoid confusion, were;

Rath, 9 Points;
>Ignition (2 Levels)
>Alabaster (2 Levels)
>Grasp (1 Level)
>Forgemistress (1 Level)
>Permafrost (1 Level)
>SOLAR (1 Level)
>Golden( 1 Level)
>Hideous(free)
>Font(Free)


LOCKED IN;
>Solar(1 Level)
>Golden (1 Level)
>Alabaster (2 Levels)
>Forgemistress (1 Level)
>Hideous (free)


POINTS LEFT, 4 POINTS;

my thoughts;
>Grasp (1 Level)
>Ignition (2 Levels)
>Permafrost (1 Level)
>Font (free)

I really think the neuromancy protection will benefit Rath the most, and the minimum Helth Regen. Plus, having Rath NEVER truly go down is a massive boon for her, as she is the center of attention.
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Just to get an Idea of how things are going to go, who's next after Rath?

(Are we just going from left to right on the character sheet?)
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>>3663460
we are going left to right. So Amara is next.
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>>3663460
yes we are. Julia, our local sweetheart, is next.
but we have 4 points left to agree on here.
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>>3663464
Julia, not Amara.
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>Fusion’s Fulmigation
>Ignition x3

Font Is better for Dorian, who In my opinion simply needs It more. He can abuse his own regen and this would give him a means of tankiness he doesn't have at ALL at present, while this would only further Increase Rath being a very very potent tank.

I'd rather not have Permafrost on Rath, It seems like It would conflict a bit with being a glowing sun goddess.
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>>3663458
>Grasp (1 Level)
>Ignition (2 Levels)
>Permafrost (1 Level)
>Font (free)

I support this. The reactive Ice Armor is actually pretty nice for her if she gets attacked, which to be honest she will be a lot.

The Regen is nice on her, if we do not want to give it to Dorian so be it
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>>3663458
>I really think the neuromancy protection will benefit Rath the most, and the minimum Helth Regen.
Where did you get that claim? Font of suffering basically means Rath's regen is un-interrupted in exchange for having any Neuromancy concentration action that Rath attempts be constantly disrupted at the end of turn.
read the fine print.
>While you are unable to maintain Neuromantic concentration past the end of your turn if your regeneration triggers, your HEALTH REGEN is increased to and may not be suppressed below 10% of your maximum health per turn.
"YOU" is the operative word here.
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>>3663476
>>3663458
How did I not link that?
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>>3663460
I'd be fine with going from left to right, so Julia would be a good follow-up.

>>3663458
Nice work with tallying everything.

For the remaining four points, I would vote for:
>Fusion's Fulmination
>Erupting Grasp (1 Level)
>Indignant Ignition (2 Levels)

I would personally prefer to have Julia gain Permafrost Resilience, and keep a purely fire-based theme for Rath.
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>>3663458
Changing Ignition x 2, Neon, Forgemistress (second level) to
>Ignition x 3
>Halo

Fulmination is too situational, Permafrost goes better on Julia, Grasp is redundant.

I am still torn regarding Font, it would be really good on both Rath and Dorian.
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>>3663458
Font of Suffering doesn't give Neuromancy protection. That's Secluded Mind, which we junked because it leads to zombie Daughters and we don't want that. And yeah, I guess it's good for her. She does tend to take a lot of damage. Dorian ideally shouldn't be getting caught and taking big hits like he did against B'Ni, I'm probably just being overly worried.

Not thrilled about giving her the Permafrost, though. Don't we already have enough skills to level on her? The reactive counter is nice, I guess, but I can't see it being worth it enough to bother giving it to her.
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>>3663480
>>3663490
fffffffs, another misread. still Rath is the one taking the hits, so its still better on her than anyone else.

>>3663476
>>3663481
>>3663482
i dont think Fume is worth it honestly.

i kinda agree except for me personally my Julia slots are full so Perma cant go on her, so may aswell give it to Rath.
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>>3663490
>>3663487
im not married to Perma i just couldn't think of anything else to put the point on.
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>>3663497
There's always the Neurotic Halo. We gotta get those angel rings leveled up.
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>>3663497
Honestly If you don't mind losing Perma how about

>Ignition
or
>Halo

Halo would be a step towards protective abilities, If that's what you're concerned with.
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>>3663482
Rath is more of a light theme honestly by now and what can ice do reflect light to make it shine ever brighter I think it would work great on her

Fulmination is just to situational to really profit from. It only works against other radiant or fire generators at the moment for her
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>>3663503
maybe.

>>3663490
>>3663503
whats your vote?
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>>3663503
That's true, we gotta work on those.

Operation: Free Charon is a long-term investment that we have to keep an eye on.
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>>3663503
>>3663506
ill switch to Halo sure.
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>>3663458
>>3663510
>Grasp 1
>Ignition 2
>Neurotic Halo 1

I'm iffy on Font of suffering.

Actually, hold the phone. Wouldn't Font of suffering guarantee that Rath always has Health regen even in ignition mode?
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>>3663476
>>3663458
>>3663487
Changing my vote, throwing In with this anon.

Fulminous won't be extremely good unless Rath herself has several different generator elements to abuse the ability with, and I doubt we want to dump those kinds of levels Into achieving that.

Note: FONT should still be given to DORIAN, Rath Is plenty tanky especially after this levelup. Dorian has the least HP of EVERYONE. He needs some serious means to survive and asap.
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>>3663515
It would be switched into BIO regen i believe like the rest of her health regen
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>>3663515
yes, it would.
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>>3663458
I'm going to say

>Ignition x1
>Grasp x1
>Forgemistress x1
>Halo x1
>Font

More Ignition is always good, that stuff is going to ultimately be the core of Rath's build. Grasp I like just as a backup in case we're not in a situation to turn into a fusion reactor, and it stacks with Ignition's damage so it's still nice. Forgemistress because that has the potential to be amazing in the long run, very useful. And Halo because same, it's never bad to have more Neurotic Halo on our characters.

>>3663497
I'm going with another level of Forgemistress' Fingers. It's got the potential to wind up being really useful in the long run, I'd like to get it up to higher levels. I don't think we need Permafrost at all, honestly. Having more damage types is nice, but we've already got a really good spread. Shu has slashing, piercing, acid and heat. Rath has slashing, blunt, heat and radiant. Julia has slashing and non-elemental flesh-warping damage. Amara has wind from Sternutation Cannon and the potential for Skintalking-based damage. Dorian has slashing and electric. November is all heat all the time, with some piercing and bludgeoning. And Gina will now have Neuromancy, acid, slashing, and Gluttonous because of her new Cores.

>>3663510
Sorry, was writing up other things.
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>>3663516
Dorians should never be hit, he would be a waste of Font. Rath will need it to help tank hits, and she is the MOST LIKELY to go down, due to always drawing enemy fire.
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>>3663520
Then I'll put down Acceptance: Font of Suffering for Rath.
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>>3663525
Should, but he does anyway. He just went down and had to make saving throws not to die.

>Also, your HEALTH REGEN does not stop when you arrive at Death’s Door, instead recovering one third of your HEALTH REGEN total per turn that you are at Death’s Door, though you will still have to make saving throws as normal. Instead of merely stabilizing, you instead recover with your total regenerated health for the round. (HEALTH REGEN +40%)

This last bit Is what really matters here for Dorian, It lets his massive Regen carry him right back up. Rath can't really do the same thing with her comparatively low regen. Dorian already has bonuses for fighting/surviving on Deaths Door anyway, which makes It more potent on him anyway considering he's the most likely to drop Into It.
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>>3663525
>>3663532
I am so close to agreeing with you, but Dorian has been dropped to zero twice recently and then there's this:
>>3663360
>Scarlet Terror level four means that Dorian doesn't get knocked out when put into death saving throws, just reduced to one act. Give him the ability to actually heal back to full instead of have to stabilize, combine it with his great health regen, and he'd be really hard to put down.

Rath takes more hits but she is much more capable of taking hits without going down.
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>>3663540
>>3663532
>>3663524
>>3663519
>>3663511
>>3663487

RIGHT, THEN FINAL VOTES FOR RATH;

>Grasp (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Ignition (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Ignition (2 Levels)- 4 votes
>Ignition (3 Levels)- 2 votes
> +Forgemistress (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Halo (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Permafrost (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Fusions (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Font (free)- 4 votes


Font, Grasp, Halo, and Ignition x2 all locked in, all points allocated.

FINAL RATH TALLY;

RATH, 9 Points;
>Ignition (2 Levels)
>Grasp (1 level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Alabaster (2 Levels)
>Forgemistress (1 Level)
>Solar(1 Level)
>Golden (1 Level)
>Hideous (free)
>Font(free)


NOW ONTO JULIA, OUR LOVELY MISSUS.
JULIA VOTING NOW OPEN, 9 POINTS TO ALLOCATE;

my thoughts;

JULIA, 9 Points;
>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Hybridize Depressive/Frozen (4 Levels)
>FAMISHED FURY (1 Level)

Whiles it not a concern of mine, many did not want Badger to get out of control, so lets cull its corruption.
I agree with the other Anon, i want to at least see what Dpressive and Frozen can make.
Famished i still think will work really well on her.
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>>3663520
I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from, the text in Indignant Ignition states:

>while her HEALTH REGEN is negated in exchange for making it BIO REGEN, instead.

I'm also not seeing anything in Font of Suffering that states otherwise, either. This might be something that we would have to ask BHOP about.
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>>3663545

>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Hybridize Depressive/Frozen (4 Levels)
>FAMISHED FURY (1 Level)

I guess i can support this...... i am to tired to make sense of most of my notes shit..... but i dont want to leave
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>>3663546
from Font of Suffering
>our HEALTH REGEN is increased to and may not be suppressed below 10% of your maximum health per turn.
my not be suppressed below 10% seems to imply it can never drop below 10%.
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>>3663549
caffeine maybe? take a walk real quick?
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>>3663546
I think they're going off the part where Font of Suffering guarantees that your Health regen can't fall below 10%/turn. But maybe being swapped for Bio regen doesn't count as being reduced.
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>>3663545
Question, In regards to the Dorian vote, who wants to put Platinum Edge on Dorian?

I'm deciding whether It's worth It or not to give Julia some anti-armor capabilities or hand them over to Dorian Instead.
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>>3663545
If we're going for Famished Fury, which I still don't think is that great on Julia, then we need to give her Elemental Digestion, too. Upgrade Hungering Membrane by letting them merge. That's good for your reluctance to double up skills, too, because Elemental Digestion is just a better version of Hungering Membrane, so putting it on someone else functionally means we just have two people with Hungering Membrane.
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>>3663558
im not planning to put it on Dorian, but it would fit Dorian better than Julia by a country mile honestly.
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>>3663559
i want two Cores on both Amara and Dorian, so no, i cant put any cores on Julia. both Dorian and Amara severely need the stats, Julia doesn't by any stretch compared to them.
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>>3663532
>>3663544
And now you've convinced me to switch back my vote to having Dorian take font of-
>>3663545
....fuck. times up.

This is my proposal for Julia.
9 points
>Neurotic Halo (Long Term Investment)
>Hybridize Badger and Ripper (4 points)
>Hunter’s Fury (For Bloody Ripper Crits)
>Famished Fury (Gluttonous Crit)
>Permafrost Resilience (To hybridize with Frozen Fury)
>Drain the Blood (Bloody Ripper augments)
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>>3663565
Then don't give Julia Famished Fury. Don't half-ass a build designed for Gluttonous skills. Either take full advantage of it or don't, leaving her in this half-finished state is a waste of levels.
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>>3663554
i took a walk, walked ten minutes to my local bakery and then back again.

I will manage but i made some pretty complicated calculations yesterday evening and i just kind of can no longer follow them
I can still argue but making propsals is gonna a bit to far for me, so i try to extract what i can and bring it into the discussion

I dont like caffeine makes me really really annoying to be around especially over the internet when there are no real social barriers and i would rather not get kicked from the community over such a simple thing such as lack of sleep which i can deal with for a day

>>3663565
I agree i gave my own opinion earlier Amara and Dorian both NEED the raw stats to stay in the fight

Also a funny thought just occured to me. Can we bring back Gina before getting rid of Mirror? GIna is assumingly gona be naked so we send her into a room and there are just two Shus there that take care of her and just offer her several sets of clothes
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>>3663572
well, suggest something else that isnt a core to give her then.
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>>3663568
i refuse to give duplicates. so no go on Drain.
what the heckle is Hunters Fury? you mean Hunters Honor? no. Julia needs to focus on her fists connection and as stated, Dorian and Amara both need the core stats more, so Julia cannot take a core.

does Julia REALLY need more skin based, hit based, abilities?
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>>3663576
Drop Famished for Hunters Fury and I'll support your vote. Amplifying the devastation of her crits seems like a damn good thing to me.
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>>3663568
This looks good, it covers a lot of what I was considering.

However, I personally believe that Famished Fury is best used on Shu, as opposed to Julia. Has it been established what sorts of Gluttonous abilities Julia can crit with?
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>>3663582
>>HUNTER'S FURY (Calcite Armorer Augmentation): Critical strikes made by slashing-type attacks from any skill tree you possess are now guaranteed to sever a limb, as they easily cut past any defenses your foe may possess. (HEALTH +80%)
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>>3663582
>>HUNTER'S FURY (Calcite Armorer Augmentation): Critical strikes made by slashing-type attacks from any skill tree you possess are now guaranteed to sever a limb, as they easily cut past any defenses your foe may possess. (HEALTH +80%)

Nope. Two abilities had really similar names.

Also just to ask, *why* are you so deadest on no duplicates? I'm curious, because some things are really good on multiple people. (Is It because It would make your self assigned role of processing even more hellish?)
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>>3663568
>>3663585
oh fuck, i apologize. i literally never, not once, was Hunters Fury was a thing.

literally the first time im seeing it, gimme a moment to read it. sorry.
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>>3663588
>>3663589
>>3663568
ill only go for it if we do the Badger/Ripper hybrid, that way the Ripper fuses with the Badger claws, so she can both use Hunters while she is now also apply stacks with the new hybrid. it would consolidate all her abilities into one, instead of one hand having a Ripper and Hunter but no stacks, and vise versa one having Stacks but no Ripper or Hunter.
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>>3663594
If we drop that Hybrid for now could we also get one or two level of Halo on her? to make sure we can get the Neurotic Crown filled soon?
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>>3663594
forget what i wrote i missed a large part of your sentence
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>>3663594
Actually, if we drop Famished Fury in exchange for Hunter's Honor, then it would synergize really well with Julia's Badger/Ripper Hybrid alongside with Hunter's Fury.

Yeah. I'm changing my vote:>>3663568
>Neurotic Halo (Long Term Investment)
>Hybridize Badger and Ripper (4 points)
>Hunter’s Fury (For Bloody Ripper Crits)
>Hunter's Honor (To give her Bloody Ripper Weapons crits on the first strike of each weapon type)
My reasoning is that we had Julia create many bloody Ripper weapons, and each new weapon type means that the first attack that lands will guarantee to crit, and Hunter's Fury will also make it so that each crit with the Badger/Ripper hybrid will auto-sever a limb with Drain the Blood making it a severe bleeding while still retaining the unarmed/melee based attacks of her Core.
>Permafrost Resilience (To hybridize with Frozen Fury)
>Drain the Blood (Bloody Ripper augments)
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>>3663576
No, I'm going to suggest a Core. We can give Dorian plenty of Health from the one Core and other skills we're going to give him. Look at his sheet and the list of new skills, our most likely upgrade plan actually gives him plenty of Health. Give him Vultha's Core, that's plus 200%. Three more levels of Spring-Heeled Jack should be another 90%. Platinum Edge would be 100%. Hunter's Fury, which makes more sense for him than Julia because he's all about slashing attacks and Julia has other damage types (and Dorian more reliable scores critical hits with his bonuses, too) would be another 80%. So that's +470% Health, bringing Dorian up to 830%, he'll be fine.
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>>3663589
oh, missed your question.

duplicates drain the fun for me. its boring. i like each person and their kit to be unique, it makes them stand out more as a character, makes their interactions with the party more interesting, and is generally just funner to mess around with.

>>3663599
the Frozen/Depressive? but i really am interested in seeing what it does...
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>>3663594
That's fine, so the new vote Is

>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Hybridize Depressive/Frozen (4 Levels)
>Hunters Fury (1 Level)

We'll get to see both her hybrids which I'm fine with, and her critical hits are now far more devastating.
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>>3663606
So why are do you want to duplicate Hungering Membrane? Elemental Digestion is just a better version of Hungering Membrane, there's no point in having both of them in the party. We should combine them.
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>>3663603
>>3663604
no, im dead set on Dorian and Amara both getting two cores.
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>>3663608
they are different enough, and its good defense for Amara. worst case, we consolidate it down to give her more stats.
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>>3663606
No i read it as though you thought we had to drop the HYbrid for some reasan and i thought that maybe there would be space to include a couple neurotic Levels

Completely my mistake

>>3663608
It is on the basics the same power but i think both will have pretty different upgrade paths. There is only so much that can be done for first level powers to make them different
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>>3663606
Anon I totally get where you're coming from, but some things are just plain good. You don't have to make sure everyone's pieces are 100% unique just for their build to be unique, everyone's already Incredibly different kit wise.

We have multiple people that will benefit Immensely from some of the augmentations In particular. If Dorians kit Is to be fast, a regen monster, and a crit/bleed build then we should help him with accomplishing that.

That's why I'm voting for both
HUNTERS FURY (Superior criticals)
DRAIN THE BLOOD (Far superior BLEED)

For Dorian. It Is 100% In line with his kit, and will benefit him Immensely by upping his overall damage and debilitation potential. Insisting on not giving someone key pieces of kit Is hurting the characters be their best where It matters, In do or die scenarios.
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>>3663610
They're similar enough that they'd combine, so it's still that boring redundancy that you hate. It's like giving Solar Pugilist to someone other than Rath. Let's combine that shit, not have to deal with having two characters who eat things with their skin.

>>3663612
BHOP said that they'd combine, and that Elemental Digestion is superior to Hungering Membrane and so would be the one to remain with Membrane giving it boosts.
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>>3663586
keeping your vote the same, or changing along with the other Anons changes?

>>3663612
i mean, you can still change your vote if you want, Famished for Halo?

>>3663615
well i simply disagree an its a vivid point i refuse to back off on.

now stop mulling over Dorian and focus on Julia, pleeeeaaassseeee.
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>>3663615
I agree very much. They're mostly passive upgrades, too, so they'll just be enhancing their existing abilities. Still very different playstyles. If we were doubling up on active skills, like they want to do with Digestion and Membrane, then it would be boring and we should avoid that. But augments? It's fine to have more than one copy. I am certain they won't feel same-y.
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>>3663610
see>>3662673

There's literally no reason to not merge Membrane and Elemental Digestion.
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>>3663620
>now stop mulling over Dorian and focus on Julia, pleeeeaaassseeee.
You're the one fixating on Dorian and insisting that Julia can't have a build that makes sense for her because you'd rather give him boosts that he doesn't need. Weren't we just talking about how Dorian doesn't need Font of Suffering because he should be avoiding taking hits? Isn't it therefore fine for him to trail the rest of the party in HP a bit, so long as it's not a super big gap?
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>>3663620
I'll change my vote, and I'll instead support this person's build:

>>3663603
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>>3663624
>>3663621
alright fair i never saw BHOP say that, however i still want two cores on Amara and Dorian, and am sticking to that. we can just consolidate it down on Amara then.

>>3663627
no, im not, im trying to count votes, hold numerous conversations at once, and make sure everything is properly accounted for and in order, which you refusing to vote on Julia impedes upon.
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>>3663620
Nah im good there just thought that if a hybrid would be broken up the scraps would be good to invest something into a Halo.
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>>3663629
>Auto
got it and accounted for, thank you for responding.
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>>3663620
Anon I want to be nice but's It's coming across as this Is just something that supremely rustles your jammies rather than a decision made from a source of logic.

We need to be efficient, I understand you might not like It but It's really really good logically, and I won't change my mind on that unless you have a something to change my mind based on facts.

Also, I already voted ya doofus. I'm just discussing things now.
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>>3663636
No worries, happy to keep things going smoothly.
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>>3663630
>no, im not, im trying to count votes, hold numerous conversations at once, and make sure everything is properly accounted for and in order, which you refusing to vote on Julia impedes upon.
I am voting on Julia. I'm voting to give her Elemental Digestion, to consolidate the skills. But if you want to consolidate them on Amara, are you willing to also transfer Artisanal Appetites? There's too much good synergy between that and Digestion/Membrane to not keep them together.

Of course, we'd also have to get rid of the idea for that cool skin robe for Julia, too, she wouldn't have the ability to eat things with her skin anymore and we'd have to drop it. You fine with that, too?

And I guess, if we're transferring two skills from Julia to Amara, it's only fair that Amara have her budget reduced by two points and them given to Julia, instead. Keep everything balanced. Amara would still come out ahead, because then she'd actually have THREE Cores. Hungering Membrane, Elemental Digestion, and Speaker of Hope. While Julia would have...none, not unless you were willing to give her Hunter's Honor, but oh wait then we'd have no second Core to give Dorian, that's not good.

Okay, fuck everything I just said. New idea: Take Ressentiment's Mirror off of Shu, give it to Dorian. There, easy solution. Would that solve the problem?
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>>3663637
that last line was under the wrong section sorry.

duplicates impede on my fun. it also means we cover less scenarios that more diversity would have, and have peoples roles and uses start to overlap more, especially with level-able abilities, with with many Augments and passives too. its simply uninteresting, and honestly alot of times when duplicates are done, i dont agree they should go on both characters anyways.

>>3663646
i literally have not seen your vote, but, and i mean no offense, they way you do it can make it difficult to pick it out compared to other Anons. also thats only one point, you have 9 to allocate.

and no, as Appetites is good on Julia.

and no again, as Shu is still mildly behind compared to Julia or Rath. honestly the main issue now is i dont see your point on Dorian not needing the stats, but id prefer to go for the double Hybrid on Julia.
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>>3663646
id certainly prefer Digestion over Hunters Honor on Julia though, you're right about that, Hunters doesn't fit on her at all and ruins the point of making Badgers/Ripper.
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>>3663646
ill compromise, no duplicates, and ill put Digestion on Julia.
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>>3663660
I'll relent on the Hunter's Honor part of my vote and retract that part >>3663603. I'll replace it with something else. Probably a level in Frozen Fury.
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>>3663669
I'd be fine with that as well.

So that would make your new build proposal:

>Neurotic Halo
>Frozen Fury
>Hybridize Badger and Ripper (4 points)
>Hunter’s Fury
>Permafrost Resilience
>Drain the Blood
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>>3663669
just replace it with Digestion so the other Anon will actually post his vote and we can move on....
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>>3663672
I'll be fine with that.
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>>3663653
>and no, as Appetites is good on Julia.
Not if she doesn't have Hungering Membrane/Elemental Digestion. Then she can't eat enemy weapons just by touching them. If we were to consolidate the cores on Amara instead of Julia, Artisanal Appetites would be much less useful for Julia.

>and no again, as Shu is still mildly behind compared to Julia or Rath. honestly the main issue now is i dont see your point on Dorian not needing the stats, but id prefer to go for the double Hybrid on Julia.
Like I said, if we give Dorian a sensible build taking advantage of his strengths, he should get up to 830% Health. Lower than some characters we have, but still pretty good. Vultha's Core would give him +200% Health. The three levels of Spring-Heeled Jack he'd get from combining the effectively-free levels of Dogged Sprinter should, if they follow the current pattern for that skill leveling, give him another +90% Health. If we're giving Dorian Vultha's Core, with its Fibromancy slashing attacks, we should also give him Platinum Edge, for another +100% Health. And while I know you don't like duplicates, if we're not going with a slash-based Hunter's Honor build on Julia, we can give him Hunter's Fury, for another +80% Health. With his current Health of 360%, that adds up to 830% Health. Not terrible, and given that he should be focusing on evading attacks instead of tanking them I think he'll be fine.

>>3663660
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled about the idea, either.

>>3663672
I'm sorry that I want to write out my logic before posting my vote, anon. I'll try to be faster in the future.

>Elemental Digestion
>Hybridize Badger/Ripper
>Hybridize Fury/Weight
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>>3663653
Right, but a crit-melee trader/debuffer and a fly-by speed/critster who just so happen to have different roles but also both share crits as a focus logically will both gain benefits from the one thing they share as a focus that synchronizes with their kits.

Should we really not share an ability that helps two different people do two different roles? Neither of them lose their identity In the slightest this way nor does It even level as another thing to sink exp Into which Is why I'm just not seeing your point.

I suppose the only way I would agree not to vote for the augments Is to show me something that would be provenly better than taking them. Again, they aren't losing any diversity should this come to pass nor Is It a level sink, so while your point may be valid If taking lots of the same ability on everyone were a rampant problem, It's not. It's one vote, one augment. I even share your view when It comes to active abilities, but not passives. A passive Is a one off level to amplify existing focuses.
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>>3663675
no man its just...this is exactly the shitfest i knew it would become haha. but i welcome it, in an odd way. need to check my vote tally, gimme a moment.
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>>3663653
and ruin another common theme that best couple have with each other? for shame.
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>>3663682
>>3663678
>>3663675
>>3663671
>>3663634
>>3663544
RIGHT, VOTES SO FAR;

>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)- 6 votes
>Hybridize Depressive/Frozen (4 Levels)- 2 votes
>Halo(1 Level)- 2 votes
>Depressive (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Digestion (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Hunters Fury (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Permafrost (1 Level)-2 votes
>Famished (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Drain (1 Level)- 2 votes

Changed my own Vote to;
>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Hunters Fury (1 Level)
>Depressive (1 Level)
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)
>Digestion (1 Level)
>Famished (1 level)


LOCKED IN;
>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Hunters Fury(1 Level)
>Digestion (1 Level)


3 POINTS LEFT TO ALLOCATE;

my thoughts;
>Depressive (1 Level)
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)
>Famished (1 level)
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>>3663689
>Frozen Fury
>PermaFrost
>Depressive
There's a really cool Tri-brid ability that can be made with Frozen Fury, Depressive Weight, and PermaFrost where it acts akin to a malleable stack and just piles huge debuffs on the enemy. Probably called "Glacial Guilt"
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>>3663689
For these last three points, I will vote for:
>Drain The Blood
>Permafrost Resilience
>Neurotic Halo
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>>3663689
If there are 3 places left i would like her to actually receive

1 Level Halo
1 Level Frozen Fury
1 Level Famished

How many Halo Level do we ahve and how many do we need before we can have the crown so far we got i think 3 Halos we could get rid off, not enough i think so just for the sake of being prepared for the future i would like a Level in Halo
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>>3663681
>Drain
>Depressive (1 Level)
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)

Open to change Frozen or Depressive If someone has a good suggestion.
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>>3663699
i think it still needs to be individual halos. i mean, i guess we can break them apart but with that logic we already could use it based on getting Gina back alone.
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>>3663694
>>3663689
Changing my vote:
>Halo
>Permafrost
>Fury
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>>3663689
I'm still not sold on Famished Fury for Julia, but I'm willing to give it a shot and see how Elemental Digestion upgrades. And raising Frozen Fury and Depressive Weight in anticipation of hybridizing them next time is good sense. Yeah, I'll throw my weight behind that vote.

>Depressive (1 Level)
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)
>Famished (1 level)

>>3663694
Maybe. but it would be a hefty investment. Do we really need ice damage?

>>3663699
We can't make the Crown right now, but not for lack of levels. It's for lack of Halos. The strength of Neurotic Crown we need to de-geas Charon is just level one, but it takes seven Halos. Even if Shu and Gina's Halos being Perpetual Crowns and Amara's being combined into Joyous Many still allows them to be used with it, we'd still only have six. That's why we want to give the Midnight Crew some and see if they'll work with us on the Charon mission.
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>>3663701
>>3663698
id prefer no Drain. id be willing to switch out Famished for Frost though.
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>>3663701
>>3663689
Changing my vote to make this simpler

>Drain
>Halo (1 Level)
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)
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>>3663708
>>3663705
>>3663704
>>3663699
>>3663698

>Depressive (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Frozen Fury (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Famished (1 level)- 3 votes
>Permafrost (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Halo (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Drain (1 Level)- 2 votes

Gents, Halo and Frozen Fury are now locked in

one Point Vote left to Cast;

my vote;
>Depressive(1 Level)

she reeeaaaallly does not need more abilities, so i dont want Permafrost.
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>>3663705
>>3663703

And for giving the Midnight Crew Halos we need Levels we can actually give to them otherwise it makes no sense.

But i want everyone in the Family to still have their Halo so we need a couple extra level we can give up
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>>3663713
no, the Midnight Crew is paying for the Halos with with own levels, not ours.
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>>3663712
PermaFrost.
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>>3663712
Yeah, gonna vote for

>Depressive
too.

>>3663713
We'll make a deal with them. They transfer levels to us, we process them into levels of Neurotic Halo, then transfer them back. We get to make use of them briefly when fighting Charon, afterwards they get the awesome skill that is Neurotic Halo. It's a good deal.
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>>3663712
I will put my vote up for Depressive wieght you are right we do not need more Skills even if Famished would be useful for her she will turn into a knew Shu post Fear Fight if we get her to much shit. We barely used all of Shus Moveset in this massive fight so a but of consolidation seems prudent
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>>3663712
In that case, I'll change my vote to
>Famished Fury

In case Elemental Digestion becomes something down the line that can sync well with this ability.
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>>3663712
>Drain
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>>3663715
I was thinking more we tarnsfer over a single level of Halo to one of them . They take it off and give it back so it is still ours. Rinse and repeat till we have enough halos to make the crown so we do not have to "borrow" the Halos of the Crew. I dont like having debts with anyone in any form
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>>3663724
>>3663722
>>3663719
>>3663717
>>3663716

RIGHT, FINAL JULIA ALLOCATIONS;
FINAL VOTE;
>Depressive- 3 votes
>Permafrost- 1 vote
>Famished- 1 vote
>Drain- 1 vote

FINAL ALLOCATION;
JULIA, 9 Points;
>Hybridize Ripper/Badger (4 Levels)
>Frozen Fury(1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Depressive (1 Level)
>Hunters Fury(1 Level)
>Digestion (1 Level)


NEXT, ONTO OUR LITTLE GIRL AMARA!
VOTING ON AMARA OPEN NOW;


my thoughts;

AMARA, 9 Points;
>Joyous (2 Levels)
>Lexicon (2 Levels)
>Queen (2 Levels)
>OXYGENIC ARTILLERY (2 Levels, via recycling Sternutation Cannon)
>SPEAKER OF HOPE (1 Level)
>HUNTER HONOR STATS(1 Level)

Joyous is amazing and i want more of it.
Lexicon is her core, lets get her more of it.
Queen is a great defense, lets bump it up.
OXYGENIC is a better Cannon for her. It can act as an AOE as we saw, and still can del massive damage. I think it will fit her kit better than Canon, hence both getting it AND recycling Cannon.
Speaker of hope for a Lexicon boost.
Hunters Honor because i want her to get two cores, and it can just be turned into stats.
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>>3663726
AMARA
>2 Level Joyous Many
->could be cut short for Augments

>1 Level Gain Speaker of Hope
>1 Level Gain Hunter´s Honor
>1 Level Holistic Lexicon
>2 Level Queen Crimson
>2 Level Oxygenic Artillery


While the Oxygenic Artillery might be interesting for her it does crossover pretty strongly with her own cannon and is pretty expensive in comparisson so probably not relly worth it on her Clones as her clones will no longer be able to fulfill their function effectively more than twice (at current)
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>>3663726
Counterpoint. Remember how Amara turned the tide on Isabelle? She countered the Lexicon string with another lexicon string.

>>VOICE OF BABEL (Skintalker Augmentation): Key against those dangerous few that have fought a high-level Skintalker and have lived to tell the tale, or worse...against enemy Skintalkers themselves. Words within your Lexicon are now obscured from those that are unfamiliar with them, and are significantly more difficult to effect with counter-based words. (HEALTH REGEN +60%)

This will prevent the same situation from obliterating our baby girl one day.

Either drop one level of Queen or one off OXYGEN and I'll support your vote.
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>>3663726
My proposal:
>Ozma’s Core
>Voice of Babel
>Oxygenic Artillery (overrides the Sneeze Cannon)
>Queen Crimson (2 points)
>Joyous Many (2points)
>Lexicon

I'm contesting your claim of putting Hunter's Honor on Amara. I believe Dorian can benefit greatly from it if we put it on him instead and somehow hybridize it. that way his scythes can recieve the crit boosts.
If you're still being a stubborn hardliner, then we can simply craft a Calcite dagger Relic for Amara so that she and her clones can benefit from Hunter's Honor and start stabbing people's shinbones via clone proxy.

Also you've missed out on
>>VOICE OF BABEL (Skintalker Augmentation): Key against those dangerous few that have fought a high-level Skintalker and have lived to tell the tale, or worse...against enemy Skintalkers themselves. Words within your Lexicon are now obscured from those that are unfamiliar with them, and are significantly more difficult to effect with counter-based words. (HEALTH REGEN +60%)
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>>3663726
My proposal:

>Speaker of Hope (1 Level)
>Voice of Babel (1 Level)
>Lexicon of Flesh (2 Levels)
>The Joyous Many (2 Levels)
>Queen Crimson (1 Level)
>Sternutation Cannon (1 Level)
>Verurteilung (1 Level)
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>>3663731
Also, consider that as Amara levels up she can replace words in her Lexicon with new ones that have the same effects. This means that the words she alters are impossible to understand, because she's the only person to have ever used them that way. I think it's a definite purchase.

>Hunter's Honor
>Speaker of Hope
>Voice of Babel
>Lexicon of Flesh x1
>Joyous Many x2
>Queen Crimson x2
>Oxygenic Artillery x2
>Recycle Sternutation Cannon.
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>>3663728
Joyous clones might get more as they level up.

>>3663731
>>3663733
>>3663735
>>3663741
voice of babel is really really not worth it at all. but clearly im not gonna win that one,so ill think of one of the top three to take a point off of.

>>3663733
no, Amara needs the stats more than Dorian ,and the Calcite will literally do nothing for him. its entirely redundant on him.
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>>3663733
>If you're still being a stubborn hardliner, then we can simply craft a Calcite dagger Relic for Amara so that she and her clones can benefit from Hunter's Honor and start stabbing people's shinbones via clone proxy.

Now I want to do this, not because of Hunter's Honor (which I feel should go to Dorian), but because I want to see a horde of seven year old girls shanking enemies repeatedly.
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>>3663733
I would really like for Amara to have Hunters Honor. Sure we can craft her a calcite Dagger or she learns how to make a crossbow or a bow which she can use from hiding and a dagger for Backup sure. The Voice of Babel is interesting.... there is just the Question:"Who knows such spells exist and how many Skintalker would not immediatly start counterspelling the moment they dont understand a word of what is being said"

Though it could be worth it..... but what to drop for it.....


>>3663741
I will support your version of the Build.. it kind of speaks to me
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>>3663746
>no, Amara needs the stats more than Dorian ,and the Calcite will literally do nothing for him. its entirely redundant on him.
Also, we need to get a Hexane in Amara's head. I am adamant on this, I will not countenance any scenario that does not result in some ancient alien warrior having to put up with small children pressuring them to play hide and seek.
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>>3663749
and right after i JUST added your votes in....
not mad just venting, it helps me stay concentrated.

>>3663753
yeah this too. i wanna see two Hexxanes glomped by kids.
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>>3663755
Sorry i am kind of a bit slower on the trigger as i have to double and triple check myself so that i do not write just total bullshit in Denglisch
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>>3663749
Well since Voice of Babel already scrambles the Lexicon words, I'll have to alter the Tindalian dagger so that the relic can duplicate itself alongside its host so Amara can do maximum knife-fighting and dagger shanking in exchange for dropping the word scrambling.

>>3663746
we had a skintalker v. skintalker battle two fights ago. it pays to have your spellcraft encrypted. Otherwise, enemy skintalkers would simply counter act it with variations of spells if they don't have Shi Sel in their vocabulary. We had an amalgam augmented with Ozma's lexicon counteract Amara's spellcasting, and you say Voice of Babel is worthless.
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>>3663759
>>3663758
>>3663753
>>3663747
>>3663731
VOTES SO FAR;
>Joyous (2 Levels)- 5 votes
>Lexicon (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Lexicon (2 Levels)- 2 votes
>Queen (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Queen (2 Levels)- 4 votes
>Cannon (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Verteilung (1 Level)- 1 vote
>Oxygenic (2 Levels*)- 5 votes
>Babel( 1 Level)- 4 votes
>Speaker (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Honor Stats(1 Level)- 3 votes


LOCKED IN;
>Joyous (2 Levels)
>Queen (2 Levels)
>Oxygenic (2 Levels*)
>Babel(1 Level)
>Speaker (1 Level)
*(Recycle Cannon, 1 free point)


2 POINTS LEFT FOR ALLOCATION;


my Thoughts;
>Hunters Honor(1 Level)
>Lexicon (1 Level)
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>>3663778
I'll support both of these options for the last two points.
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>>3663778
I want Amra to have the Calcite Armorer in her Head and the Capabilities to create weapons and Armor to defend herself with if she should be found and Queen Crimson is insufficent
>1 Level Hunters Honor
>1 Level in Lexicon
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>>3663778
>Hunters Honor(1 Level)
>Halo

Can't go wrong with more Halo.
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>>3663778
>>3663785
I'll support Hunter's Honor, but we WILL Craft that Tindalian Dagger Relic (modified) for Amara. I want her to have an army of invisible clones shanking the shins of our enemies and calling in Tindalos Hounds.

>Hunter's Honor
>Lexicon
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>>3663789
Halo's been hybridized into Joyous Many, so we can't put any more levels into that skill unfortunately, if you still want to boost it, then put that point into joyous many.
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>>3663778
Agreed. Hunter's Honor and Lexicon.

>>3663793
Sure, but we decided that thing was Tier 4, didn't we? We're going to need to upgrade the Many a lot before the whole army can benefit from it. Some day.
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>>3663793
That will be hilarious...... just an Amry of invisible catgirls that shank people in the kidneys and then sick their big doggo friends after them to finish the enemy
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>>3663796
>>3663795
>>3663794
>>3663789
>>3663780

FINAL AMARA VOTE;
>Hunters Honor(1 Level)- 6 votes
>Lexicon (1 Level)- 5 votes

FINAL AMARA POINTS ALLOCATION;

AMARA, 9 Points;
>Lexicon (1 Level)
>Joyous( 2 Levels)
>Queen (2 Levels)
>Oxygenic( 2 Levels*)
>Babel (1 Level)
>Speaker(1 Level)
>Hunters Honor(1 Level)
*(Recycle Cannon)


NEXT UP IS OUR GOOD SPEEDSTER DORIAN!
DORIAN VOTING OPEN NOW, 9 POINTS TO ALLOCATE;

My Thoughts;

DORIAN, 9 Points;
>Charge (2 Levels)
>Red Death (3 Levels)
>Halo (1 Level)
>NEON JAUNT (1 Level)
>PLATINUM EDGE (1 Level)
>RESPLENDENT THREAD( 1 Level)
>3 Dogged Sprinter Levels

Charge is great, will do him good to upgrade it.
Red Death is just the center of his build.
Halo because his speedy style could use some enhanced senses.
Neon is basically custom made for how we play Dorian.
Platinum because it mixes really well with the Fibromancer Core.
Thread because Dorian needs Core stat buffs, and i can see it being good on him.
Hunters Honor for the same reason, he needs the stats, severely. Unsure about the ability itself though but we can always condense it down for a greater stat boost.
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>>3663800
>Hunters Honor for the same reason, he needs the stats, severely. Unsure about the ability itself though but we can always condense it down for a greater stat boost.
whoops, ignore that last line, though id cleaned it up better.
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>>3663800
>Charge (2 Levels)
>Red Death (2 Levels)
>Halo (1 Level)
>NEON JAUNT (1 Level)
>PLATINUM EDGE (1 Level)
>RESPLENDENT THREAD( 1 Level)
>2 Dogged Sprinter Levels
>Hunter's Fury (1 Level)
>Drain the Blood (1 Level)

I'm basically fine with your spread, but with HF and DtB passives as they fit In VERY nicely with his kit. More bleeding, debilitating crits. Fits him wonderfully.
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>>3663800
My Dorian Proposal:

>Resplendent Thread (1 Level)
>Drain The Blood (1 Level)
>Neon Jaunt (1 Level)
>Platinum Edge (1 Level)
>Red Death (2 Levels)
>Spring-Heeled Jack (1 Level)
>Accumulated Charge (1 Levels)
>Neurotic Halo (1 Level)

Drain the Blood will pair fantastically with Red Death, and Neon Jaunt will be absolutely insane in his hands. Resplendent Thread will give him some much-needed stat boosts, and based on how it develops, Platinum Edge might also be a worthwhile investment.
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>>3663800
>Charge (2 Levels)
>Red Death (3 Levels)
>Halo (1 Level)
>NEON JAUNT (1 Level)
>PLATINUM EDGE (1 Level)
>RESPLENDENT THREAD( 1 Level)
>3 Dogged Sprinter Levels

Seems fine with me maybe put one of the red death levels into the Drain. His Build is made to litteraly drain people of Blood he is a Nosferatu so let him savour his new favourite drink please

Dorian also needs a head buddy, our talk with him in Carrols Forest showed us that he has some stability issues and needs someone he can talk to even if Shu is not available

I think we are all getting tired
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>>3663800
Dorian:

Drain the Blood (He's a bleeder build. We need more blood)
Hunter’s Fury (Severs limbs on all crits with slashing damage)
Resplendent Thread (Core)
Platinum Edge (Fibromancer Augment)
Golden Strand (Gives him resistances while attacking or moving with fibromancy regardless of his forms)
Neon Jaunt (rolling LIGHTNING FIELDS)
Red Death (Good to invest in his core)
Halo (Long Term Investment)
Accumulating Charge (Needs better zappies)

Acceptance: Dogged Sprinter x2
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>>3663800
>Resplendent Thread
>Platinum Edge
>Golden Thread
>Neon Jaunt
>Hunter's Fury
>Drain The Blood
>Accumulated Charge x2
>Halo x1

>ACCEPTANCE: Dogged Sprinter x3

Resplendent Thread to get him Vultha's Core for stats and more speed/slashing (also, read that description of Vultha, he's a romantic too. They'll get along great together). Platinum Edge for cutting things really good with those fibers. Golden Thread because he's always moving, and since he's got Fibromancy movement enhancement that means he's always getting the benefits. Neon Jaunt to leave a trail of lightning behind him as he runs. Hunter's Fury and Drain The Blood for enhancing his bleed-inducing slash attacks with high critical chance, they're perfect for him. Accumulated Charge because I really want to get him even better lightning powers. Halo because Halo is always good.

I know you're not fond of any redundancies between builds, but there are just too many augments that are absolutely perfect for Dorian. We can't let them being on other characters deny him use of them. He'll use them differently enough that I don't think his build will feel too similar to anyone else's.
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>>3663806
and im against giving him duplicates. laos kinda defeats the purpose of keeping them like we did to cut out one of the Dogged levels. keep in mind they give Jack a boost in more than just extra levels, wasting the levels we kept on something else is just suboptimal and defeats the point of keeping them.
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>>3663806
I think your math is slightly off, there are 10 points invested here as opposed to 9.
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>>3663806
it also makes my job significantly harder doing that.
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>>3663811
....why are you putting points into Jack when we have 3 levels of Dogged to combine into it!??
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>>3663812
It's been more than 6 hours and 15 minutes since the vote has been opened. 5 hours since we started the voting process We're all getting a bit loopy.

And Hardliner is still Hardliner.

>>3663822
we're getting tired.
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>>3663818
Whoops, you're right. I was too hasty.

>>3663800
>>3663815
I will support this. So Ignore >>3663806
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>>3663815
your votes still at 9 why are you missing a point in Dogged?
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>>3663822
I hadn't considered that option. However, if combining ranks of Dogged Sprinter will make it more effective, then I will revise my build.

>Resplendent Thread (1 Level)
>Drain The Blood (1 Level)
>Hunter's Fury (1 Level)
>Neon Jaunt (1 Level)
>Platinum Edge (1 Level)
>Red Death (2 Levels)
>Accumulated Charge (1 Levels)
>Neurotic Halo (1 Level)

>Acceptance: Dogged Sprinter (2 Levels)

My new build.

And I will thank you to keep your tone civil.
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>>3663829
aren't we reserving 3 dogged sprinter points for Gina?
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>>3663800

I will support your vote
>>3663832
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>>3663834
If we were, I don't see why. She's getting all the cores to herself as well as a few levels. That's huge.
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>>3663834
no just two, shes already going to have one more than she needs for what we want.
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>>3663832
I think you meant Dogged Sprinter (3 levels). We're only recycling two of them to give to Gina.

>>3663837
Just two. We're recycling them and Secluded Mind to give her three points, let her level up her Neurotic Halo to ten. Some people want to see what a hybrid of Neuromancy and Halo looks like, I'm willing to at least give it a look.
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>>3663839
Ah, I wouldn't mind seeing that hybrid either. I'm fine with that.
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>>3663844
>>3663839
>>3663835
>>3663834
>>3663832

VOTES SO FAR;
>Charge (1 Level)- 4 votes
>Charge (2 Levels)- 2 votes
>Red Death (1 Level)- 2 votes
>Red Death (2 Levels)- 2 votes
>Red Death (3 Levels)- 1 votes
>Halo (1 Level)- 6 votes
>Neon (1 Level)- 6 votes
>Platinum (1 Level)- 6 votes
>Golden (1 Level)- 3 votes
>Thread ( 1 Level)- 6 votes
>Hunters Fury(1 Level)- 5 votes
>Drain (1 Level)- 5 votes
>Dogged (3 Levels, free)- 6 votes

LOCKED IN;
>Charge (1 Level)
>Halo (1 Level)
>Neon (1 Level)
>Platinum (1 Level)
>Thread ( 1 Level)
>Hunters Fury(1 Level)
>Drain (1 Level)
>Dogged (3 Levels, free)

2 POINTS LEFT TO ALLOCATE;

I literally do not care you guys already ruined his character do what you want. just get this over with so we can move onto Gina.
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>>3663845
I'm sorry, how did we ruin his character? We've taken his core competencies (slash damage, bleeding, speed, electricity) and improved on them. What would you have done differently?
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>>3663845
Red Death 2 Level
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>>3663851
Seconded.
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>>3663851
fuck it, actually i do care enough to at least make sure we actually get points into his core.

supporting.
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>>3663845
Red Death 2 levels
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>>3663851
Yep, this.

>>3663845
>I literally do not care you guys already ruined his character do what you want.

Aw fuck we ruined him guys.
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>>3663845
Anyway.

>Red Death x2
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>>3663860
>>3663850
Are we ready to get this over with and then all go to bed and get some sleep so we can all cool down from this D-Day Massacre of ideas hopes and dreams
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