You are Alberich: serial killer, familiar to two magi, and dubiously relative of the gods. Since being transformed into a superhuman, magic-fueled warrior, you have been contracted to protect one magus, seen him die, and been bound to a new one.On the night of Thursday, November 14, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a legendary warrior contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail, their existence sustained by the mystic energy of their summoner. In your case you were conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being a legendary warrior but that's neither here nor there at this point. The magic empowered you enough to fill the role, anyway.After spending a few days learning about the Holy Grail War and your surroundings, you and your Master, Jean-Pierre Vaisset, had your first skirmish with the enemy: a complete defeat. The enemy Servant outclassed you utterly, and the only reason you survived was that her Master ordered her to retreat once he'd killed Vaisset.With Vaisset dead and your supply of mystic energy cut off, you were prepared to fade into the aether when you discovered to your surprise that he'd prepared a backup plan to transfer his Command Spells to his sister in the event of his death. This transfer of authority was immediately followed by a physical transference, and you appeared in the girl's bedroom. Thus you found yourself breaking the news of her older brother's death to Shijou Ayaka, your new Master, in the middle of the night, only a few moments after you learned of it yourself.She took it surprisingly well, and in the day since then the two of you have successfully planned and executed the defeat of your first enemy Servant, Rider. Through a mystic technique of Ayaka's, you were able to absorb the miraculous power of his holy sword, Durandal, after his death, and with it in hand you met the gods in a dream. They have high hopes for you, and in your quest for the Holy Grail things are looking up. Five Servants remain to fall by your sword.Previous thread: >>3566389Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
Shijou Manor, Tokyo - November 17, Sunday, 8:00You must take victory in the Holy Grail War if you're to survive. You're certain of that fact, and it is the premise on which all of your other plans must rest. It isn't enough to dismantle the ritual, as the Emiyas want to, motivated by a fear of the evil which they say is sealed within the Grail. If it ceases to be, you'll have nothing left to sustain your existence, and you'll fade away without a trace. Such a fate is quite unacceptable for a man of your quality. Even with that conflict of interest in mind, though, you find yourself drawn to the idea of working with the Emiya family, if only temporarily. They hold a potent tool in their Servant, outside of the seven summoned for the Holy Grail War, and whatever the true natures of Emiya Shirou and Sakura are they both have incredible supplies of mystic energy themselves. Perhaps it's only your lust for control, but the idea of allowing such a powerful group to intervene in the Holy Grail War without your oversight feels repugnant. Thus, you resolve to raise the topic of an alliance with the Emiya family again in your next conversation with Ayaka. If all goes well, the two of you can use the Emiyas' power to more easily destroy the five remaining enemy Servants and Ayaka can continue sacrificing them to you in the process; by the time the Emiyas have realized you don't intend to dismantly the Holy Grail, you should be too powerful for them to overcome.With your long-term plan for the War thus decided, your mind turns to immediate prospects, and the implications of the powers revealed in your trance. All three of the miraculous powers of Heiligöffnungschwert sound incredible, but what intrigues you most right now is the manifestation of your aligned elements, Nothingness and Void. If you want to take advantage of that, though, you'll have to do some more reading in the Shijou library.Finding your body a bit sluggish after the strange trance you went into to learn about Heiligöffnungschwert, you get up and stretch again before making your way back to the library room. If Ayaka's gotten up, you haven't heard her, but she probably hasn't. After 20 hours on her feet, you can't blame the poor girl for sleeping past eight in the morning. So it's in a silent house that you slip into the library and track down the magic texts you studied previously. Sinking into one of the room's deeply padded armchairs, you begin to read...>[ ] Forms of Power, a catalog of various sigils and geometric formations instrumental in ritual magic.>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.>[ ] Introduction to Structural Energy Systems, which deals with magic circuits, leylines, bounded energy fields, and related topics.>[ ] Look for something else (Write in what sort of magic you're looking for)
And while we consider that choice, and Alberich catches up on his reading, enjoy the sights and sounds of another's planning...
>>3603953>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.
Einzbern Tower, Tokyo, Top Floor Penthouse - November 17, Sunday, 10:00Nobody could claim that the penthouse was anything less than luxurious. Occupying the entirety of the Einzbern Tower's top floor, it was a sprawling abode filled with antique furniture dating back to the best days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In size and style, the Einzberns' workers had done everything they could to replicate the atmosphere of their mistress' palatial home. Nevertheless, Liliesviel was furious. She paced back and forth in front of the living room's large picture window, passing heedlessly by a beautiful view of the city for which the girl had no eyes; long pearly hair and the voluminous frills of her dress bouncing in synchronized time with her steps. Finally, she stopped and whirled away from the window, asking "Isn't this ridiculous, Stachel?"The recipient of this comment was one of Liliesviel's two personal maids, distinguished above the other servants by their status as high-grade homunculi, Stachel. She had no second name. Standing impassively motionless a few feet from her mistress, the maid answered in a toneless voice, "It is ridiculous, Lady Liliesviel.""Oh," Liliesviel pouted irritably, "Can't you at least try to act like a conversation partner? I haven't even told you what it is yet!""Whatever you assert is ridiculous certainly is so," the maid answered confidently. "An inferior one would never dissent. What is it that is ridiculous, Lady Liliesviel?"The smaller girl sighed, casting a profoundly disappointed gaze on her more developed servant. An outside observer, looking at their faces and bodies, might have thought the pair were two bickering sisters, or an extremely indulgent mother and her daughter, but this impression was only an illusion created by the two girls' peculiar origins. Stachel would appear just about twenty years old regardless of her age, as would all the homunculus maids turned out by the House of Einzbern's sophisticated manufacturing process. That Stachel was only a few years old showed in her reactions, however. No amount of Einzbern mental training and accelerated growth could do away with a tendency towards mental simplicity that obstinately appeared in the most intensely focused combat models. "I'm talking about my living arrangements," Liliesviel said with exasperation. "Onee-chan got a castle in that town where the fifth ritual took place! Why do I have to sit around in some tower room? Doesn't Grandfather have any faith in me?"While Liliesviel was explaining her complaint to the first, another maid entered the room, bearing a sealed letter. Liliesviel promptly rounded on her, continuing, "what do you think, Stengel? Isn't it absurd, the difference between my treatment and Onee-chan's?""If I may be allowed to express my humble views," the second maid said, head bowed low."Yes, yes, go on," Liliesviel answered, waving a dismissive hand.
>>3603953>[ ] Introduction to Structural Energy Systems, which deals with magic circuits, leylines, bounded energy fields, and related topics.
With her head still bowed so as to keep here eyes from meeting her mistress', Stengel continued, "I am certain that the Lord has the highest confidence in you, Lady Liliesviel. He knows that you are the final, truly perfect successor, here at last to complete the Heaven's Feel, and that you therefore require less support than your predecessor."Her emotions ever volatile, Liliesviel whimsically shifted from an angry pout to a teasing smirk and raised an admonishing finger before her maid's eyes. "Now now," she chided, "you shouldn't lie just to placate me." Then in a more serious tone, continued, "I wish I could believe you. If Grandfather didn't think I needed any support, why did he send that Alberich?"At this point the first maid interjected again, speaking with the same emotionless voice as before. "Perhaps there was no space to construct a castle in this city.""Maybe you're right, Stachel," Liliesviel said with a sigh. "It's not as if they could go out into the 'woods on the outskirts of town' and build one. Still, it is infuriating having to spend my days in this horrid modern tower.""Ahem," the other maid, Stengel, reminded her mistress of her presence. "Go ahead, Stengel," Liliesviel assented. "What is it?""On the subject of this... 'Alberich' character, I have a report to deliver." Stengel's voice dripped suspicion as she mentioned Alberich's name. Though her mistress had decided to put suspicion aside regarding the fellow and Stachel would go along with whatever Lady Liliesviel said, Stengel still had her doubts. Why would Lord Acht have sent another homunculus, and one with such bizarre capabilities at that, into the Holy Grail War without informing Lady Liliesviel? Could such a homunculus have been created, not only without Lady Liliesviel knowing, but even kept a secret from the servants? It was a mystery, to be sure.The innocent smile Liliesviel showed at her words gave Stengel pause, though, as the girl said, "A report, lovely! Maybe we can find out what Grandfather had in mind for him, then. Let's hear it, don't just hand over the paper." Was it right to question the situation, and dash Liliesviel's hopes of a new ally in the Heaven's Feel? Was it proper to trust in this uncertain figure and become vulnerable to betrayal? Neither truly seemed appropriate.Stengel quashed her wavering emotions and unsealed the letter, scanning over the report before summarizing it for her mistress. "Lady Liliesviel, you noble Servant here reports that he had no trouble overseeing the death of Rider, which you observed last night," she began, "and that he witnessed something quite strange in the battle.""Oh? Go on," Liliesviel prompted, "what sort of part did Alberich play?"
"Quite a prominent one, it would appear," Stengel continued, "for he battled Rider as the Servant Saber. After a heated contest, described in detail here, he slew Rider and consumed a portion of his spirit's energy, transforming and empowering his Noble Phantasm in the process. A singularly strange and enigmatic event, it would seem to this humble servant."Liliesviel, however, wasn't sharing her maid's emotions in the slightest. Instead an impish smirk adorned her face, and she said, "No, no, not at all, Stengel! Don't you see? This is the key to figuring out what kind of homunculus Grandfather has sent for my older brother! I've no more doubts now, if that's how it is!""And will you share with us your sagacious insight?" Though her words remain polite, sarcasm leaks into the maid's tone. Liliesviel's reaction is hardly what she might have hoped for, had she known in advance the contents of the letter."Of course!" Liliesviel was all smiles now, and she usually stays free with her favor as long as her mood is high. "See, if Alberich-nii-chan could absorb Rider's power that shows us how he became a Servant in the first place! Grandfather must have made a new kind of combat homunculus, a cross between our Stachel's type and a Lesser Holy Grail, with the ability to absorb a portion of a Servant's power upon its death. Then, Grandfather sent him as an agent to assist me in case the Servant we summoned wasn't good enough to complete the Heaven's Feel for me. So then Alberich came to Japan and managed to defeat one Servant, the one who died on Wednesday night, and take its place, but lost his memories when he absorbed its energy, like the early Lesser Holy Grails did. After that he ended up fighting as a Servant normally!"Stengel remained unconvinced. "This seems like a strained and elaborate rationalization," she declared. "Lady Liliesviel, do you not think it more likely that this Alberich is simply a Servant with a strange ability? One summoned in the normal fashion, and quite unrelated to the Einzbern family?""Oh, you be quiet!" Liliesviel snapped. "If you had my magical talent, and you'd had a look at him properly, you would know Alberich-nii-chan was an artificial creation. No artificial human looks so much like us without being an Einzbern homunculus, you do know that. Now I'll hear no more argument from you. We're going to restore Onii-chan's memory and bring him back into the family properly! Now let me have a better look at that note.""As you say, Lady Liliesviel." In harmonizing unison, the two maids affirmed their mistress' intent.
>>3603966Liliesviel is best girl. We gotta play both sides if you all insist on working with Shirou.
>>3603974Would Shirou really kill a Enzbern loli? If anything he would try and save her.
>>3603977They're completely at odds on the topic of the grail war so there would definitely be conflict. I didn't say anything about him killing her.
>>3603953>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.>>3603966Liliesviel a best.God damn it. Oh no, I want to protect her smile.Here's my last height comparison. Arturia is so fucking short.
>>3604001>Oh no, I want to protect her smile.meh, 8/10 smilenow adelheid's smile is a smile worth protecting
>>3604009You can't stop me.I want to protect her.
>>3604001And even with those platforms, Circe only just comes up to her height. Truly lovely.
>>3604027I included her platforms and head feathers in the height calculation.Circe is very short.I still want to protect Lilisviel. Like, let's not just stand around doing nothing if she's going to die like Illya in UBW.I wonder if we could draw something that can extend a life from the realm of imaginary numbers...
>>3603974>>3604046As I said before, it certainly isn't a route closed off to you entirely. Working with the Emiyas does make it harder, though.
>>3603953>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.God, all of those are useful things to learn, but this seems like the most obvious to have Immediate short term benefits.
>>3604046I know this Is presumptuous, but to all the Lillisviel supporters I'd say unless we get some major motivation, wait for a different route, assuming we get to go back and play as the other classes.Right now the way I see this the objective here Is to solidify Alberich's life after the war and Increase his power as much as possible, Incarnate, or even grant our own wish. Saving our master may be a secondary concern to consider, as she's the one who Is giving us our power from servants deaths, and she's growing on me a bit.
>>3604053Sure, but she's already making rationalizations about us.The Emiyas are useful in the short term, if only to keep an eye on themPersonally I don't really want to betray either of them.We can always say that after our humiliating defeat against the other Saber, we decided we would get the help of the strongest non-aggressive faction.Einzbern non counting because we have no idea where they were or what bullshit servant they've summoned this time, if they even had summoned one.Assumed amnesia makes lying easier.
>>3604060Anon, the motivation for Lilisviel route is literally in your statement. >solidify Alberich's life after the warOnly the Einzbern can allow us to achieve true incarnation where we don't need orphan juice like Gil.Ayaka's safety is also a primary concern, as she has been an excellent partner so far.
How well would Judas have done if he won and came back from Akeldama?I think he would've won the war pretty much single-handedly.
>>3604060Also>not wanting the Einzbern loli to say that we won't lose to anyone because we are the strongest in the worldMy disappointment with you is immeasurable, anon.
>>3604074>My disappointment with you is immeasurable, anon.You are entitled to your opinions.>>3604071I wonder, would he just have massive stats or would he get some of the servants abilites/phantasms at his disposal as well? It was noted a good deal of the energy was used In just making us a servant In the first place, then the rest went to Improving stats.
>>3604080>You are entitled to your opinions.My opinion is that you are a bad person. Her smile must be protected.
>>3604080Some of the energy was also used in making our cape an NP proper and creating a whole new one as well.
>>3604084>My opinion is that you are a bad person. Hmm. Harsh opinion over a Mongolian picture-board game.>Her smile must be protected.No. Protecting her smile Is optional. Putting forth hypothetical scenario's, how much are we willing to sacrifice for her wellbeing?Would we-Let Ayaka die?Let our chance at a wish go, especially If we can get value from said wish?Let Alberich die?Give up the chance to save/bring back Circe or Adelheid?There's a difference between what we must do and what we'd like to do. Personally If we can keep this girl alive, certainly, that's fine. I don't see any reason to kill her so we could keep her alive If It's manageable. Am I willing to sacrifice others or ourselves for her sake? No. I'm not sacrificing those we like for her sake when she has currently established no reason to do so.I personally think you very much like Lillesviel In part because she's like Ilya and are biased In this regard. Would you extend this same devotion to Vassiet? Of course not, we don't know the full extent of either character, but one comes across as endearing and the other did not.Why don't we see how the story progresses before making decisions regarding the loli?
>>3604093See the current smile protection tier list.Smile protection tier list Circe>Adelheid>Liliesviel=Ayaka>Shirou's Family(they can protect their own smiles)>>>everyone else>>>>>>SaberLiliesviel is an existence that is more similar to us than a normal human could ever be, and not just appearance wise.We'll have to see what her personality is like in closer detail.If she's apparently "perfect" she might be able to complete a wish without dying.The only other issue is that homonculi have very short lifespans but I feel either Circe or the contents of the realm of imaginary numbers could help with that.
If we do go for becoming a king...What do we have as our title?The obvious "King of Fairies?Something less obvious?
>>3604104She could be useful. If I get conformation that she could help us get a wish, especially If we could circumvent the 'Angry manjew Interprets everything as kill the world' thing her stock goes way up and I'd find myself suddenly charmed by her personality.Ayaka gets protection for very obvious and very selfish reasons, but she seems like a decent enough If rather normal girl. It'd be somewhat disappointing for someone likeable to die, Master or no.Truly though, Alberich Is at the front of his own smile protection list. We don't have anyone we care more about than ourselves. Whatever happens from serving our own Interests will be what It Is.
>>3604116>Alberich Is at the front of his own smile protection list. We don't have anyone we care more about than ourselves. Except maybe Circe and Adelheid.Circe especially considering he prioritised saving her in the final battle when she got hit over the actual final battle.
>>3604119To add onto this, Circe is the one that actually gave Rushorou's life meaning.He cares more about her than he does about anyone else in the world.He can't protect his own smile if he doesn't protect her smile.
>>3604128>>3604119I'll give you that. If anyone means more to Alberich than himself, It's her.Which Is why my main goal outside of surviving to become a king, Is to bring Circe back using the holy grail.
>>3604115>ArturiaKing of Knights>IskandarKing of Conquerers>GilgameshKing of Heroes>OzymandiasKing of Kings>AlberichBreak the mold?Fresh Prince of the Gods,
>>3604142Could go with King of Miracles, I guess.
>>3604134We don't even know if she is gone.I still want to protect our new little sister. As a king, it is expected. We can bond over not having a palace sized building to live in.
I don't mean to alarm anyone.But Liliesviel has her base in the top floor of a tower.So uh...Welp.I'm sure Alberich can realise the strategic worthlessness of a base such as that.If we meet her at her tower, we should probably tell her why the tower is a bad idea.
Lily is really coming off like a princess in a tower, waiting for her knight in shining armor to free her.
>Everyone is going gaga over the Einzbern LoliOk I understand getting in good with the Einzbern is the clearest way to cement our survival after the War, but can you all please tell me what your intentions are with this girl?Cause yeah, Lily is cute for now..., but we have Circe, the rightful queen of our new world already. And she's a very jealous woman.We also have Adelheid, and her presence already tries Circe's patience. How do we explain bringing in two extra smiles into the mutual protection pack?
>>3604187>intentions for LilyWe'll be her Older Brother. >intentions for AyakaShe's our benefactor and has been a fantastic help. A dear friend.It's not like either of them will start demanding kisses for mana.
Seeing as the last thread archived just after I posted it, I'll just repost the latest Alberich edit.Any suggestions or do you think it looks alright?I just wonder if Shirou can trace our sword.I hope not. I mean, the circumstances of the forging should hopefully be beyond him, and it's explicitly not made of human materials.
>>3604190>implying she'd want anything to do with us when she finds out what we are and lied about it.I know it worked with the other snobby magi we interacted with but I feel like Truv and Lily are on two totally different levels of prideful entitlement.A regular noble woman is gonna take way more shit than a princess.On top of that I'd like everyone to keep in mind that by the time we told Truv the truth she was dependent on us for survival. I highly doubt Lily will find herself in such a situation given her massive support network. I also doubt we'd even be able to lie to her much longer either way due to us trying to buddy up to the Emiya's. Provided she's not stupidly prideful rather than extremely prideful, she'd definitely at least send her servants to look into us more closely.Not saying we shouldn't try, but I'd curb your expectations just a smidge.Even if we get her in a temporary alliance, it will probably be just that, temporary.The likelihood of a true friendship is slim.
>>3604242The difference from when we weren't a servant is we now command all the power of a servant.We've also been somewhat adopted by the Gods.Us just going along with her little game instead of killing everyone in the car should be something she is grateful for even if she finds the truth out.She might be considered a princess but we intend to become a King.If she sides with us she could be a true princess, unshackled from careless magi and her short life expectancy.>>3604235I mean, not explicitly, but heavily implied.
>>3603953>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.>>3603960>>3603963>>3603966*hhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg*>>3604053Oh, sweets. Is a sleeker version of pic related what you had in mind for Alberich's helmet (with appropriate coloration)?
>>3604252>Us just going along with her little game instead of killing everyone in the car should be something she is grateful for even if she finds the truth out.I very much doubt she will be.>She might be considered a princess but we intend to become a King.I want you to imagine what Rush would have done if some self proclaimed king was throwing their weight around and giving him ultimatums.I doubt it would go very well for either party.>If she sides with us she could be a true princess, unshackled from careless magi and her short life expectancy.I doubt she'd be so willing to throw away her family ties to be some figurehead in some lying fool's court.But that's all I have that the moment. Doubts.Just want people to keep them in mind for the future. For all I know DM is bluffing and Lily will be our bff in 3 threads time.Just remember. It's ill advised to play with the hearts of young women.
>>3604270You seem to be forgetting in our very first encounter with her she decided to mystic eyes a Servant. Not being killed for that is a pretty nice thing.>imagine what Rush would've done Probably do what he did a lot in Akeldama, die. >throw away her family tiesAh yes "we grew you to do a single thing, now go die." A great family. Also fuck you for even implying Alberich is a lying fool.>It's all advised to play with the hearts of young womenNot if Predatory Charisma C++ has anything to say about it.
>>3604235Your broken outlines bothered me, so I fixed them.
>>3604298Thanks!They were bothering me too but I'm not able to edit anything rn.
>>3604282>Probably do what he did a lot in Akeldama, die.To be more specific, die fighting.And even if we can take her out with ease, which I doubt, that very much goes against the "Protect Smiles" prime directive doesn't it?>Ah yes "we grew you to do a single thing, now go die." A great family. I'm not saying they are a good family, but based on my general knowledge of a variety of things, such an upbringing also breeds undying loyalty.I could be wrong in this case, but I'd keep it in mind.>Also fuck you for even implying Alberich is a lying fool.I was typing that from her perspective. It's probably how she'd see us, no matter how powerful and cooperative we are.That said, old boy does lie.A ton.
>>3604265Someone posted that helmet in the last thread, and I still feel it looks more like a monkey's face than a lion's.That helmet and Ornstein's both get the positioning of the face right, but in terms of the beast's facial shape it should look more like the attacked image.
>>3603953>>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.THE PATHWAY TO INSTA-DELETE BEAMS
>>3604335So a more bestial design, but similar layout. Ok.
>>3604334His lies are necessary. You'd hide the truth too if upsetting somebody could lead to your unwilling suicide.As for your other points...Well I guess we'll see what happens.Kind of related but any magi worth anything would be immensely interested in RushorouA normal human turned conceptual being turned servant?Also his Noble Phantasm is utter bullshit. Hmmm.I wonder if we can link Kenotis to a portal from Heiligöffnungschwert to redirect an attack...
>>3603953>[ ] Introduction to Structural Energy Systems, which deals with magic circuits, leylines, bounded energy fields, and related topics.So Lily has Assassin. There wasn't much doubt about that, but it's nice to have some certainty.>>3604071>I think he would've won the war pretty much single-handedly.That's a fairly safe conclusion to draw, but Kishi Ou has Magic Resistance A, which can basically negate the entire Caster class, and her master is a dedicated mage killer. They might actually give him some trouble, even with all that power.>>3604235>I just wonder if Shirou can trace our sword.I'd guess that he can, but he can probably only reliably reproduce the "cut through anything" effect since, if it's like our cloak, it only really requires putting magical energy into the blade. Reproduction of the miracles would require favor from the gods that he may or may not have, being a Heaven's Feel-certified superhuman existence.>the circumstances of the forging should hopefully be beyond himUnlikely. Shirou's so good at tracing and projecting that he starts with the "creation concept" rather than the process of forging - which, in our sword's case, more or less IS the process of forging it since it's a layering of two sword concepts on top of each other. He might even already know how to create Durandal thanks to the vast amount of Archer's experience and arsenal that flooded his brain and body towards the end of HF, which would make forging our sword that much easier.>it's explicitly not made of human materialsFirst, that's not quite true. Second, even if it is, I don't remember that ever being a limitation for Shirou since he can replicate holy swords and even Rho Aias (whatever the hell a magic flower is made of).>>3604270>Just remember. It's ill advised to play with the hearts of young women.Well, that's kind of how we won the Akeldama Grail War, so...>>3604334>such an upbringing also breeds undying loyaltyIt certainly didn't 15 years ago. In FSN, as soon as Illya realized Shirou was her chance at having a real family, she went to great lengths to keep him around, which directly contradicted her explicit orders to kill him. Granted, her lack of proper upbringing caused that affection to manifest in... curious ways.Regardless, working alongside both the Einzbern and the Emiyas will be a very dangerous dance for a plethora of reasons. We're going to need to be really, really slick about it, regardless of what direction we take it in.
>>3604455I'm still not certain if Shirou would be able to trace it, honestly.I guess we'll find out at some point.
>>3604369>So a more bestial design, but similar layout. Ok.A more Classical Greek design is what I'm trying to get at; the first design I posted was Greek statuary, and this (I think) is a movie prop based on Alexander's famous lion helmet.The Greek style of depicting lions differs from the modern in several important ways. First, there's the proportion of the head to the mane. In a modern statue or other depiction of a lion you'll typically have a smaller head, with the mane flaring out, encircling it, so that you clearly see the mane when looking at the beast from straight on. The Greeks didn't do this.Instead, Greek depictions of lions have a larger head, with the mane flowing back from it. It's still slightly flared, but the profile is overall far more sleek and continuous.Greek depictions of lions also typically use points for the whiskers, rather than the lines traced by other depictions. What's most important, though, is the Grecian attention to muscle contour. As in classical sculpture of men, classical sculpture of lions pays close attention to shaping the rounded contours of the muscles below the skin, so that the beast seems almost to be straining at all times. See how its brows fold and its nose wrinkles, observe the softly curving cheeks and upper lip. This incorporation of round shapes and furious expression sets the Greek depiction of a lion apart from the more angular appearance they often take on in other cultures' depictions, and from the more serene countenance they bear in modern statuary.
>>3604060>I know this Is presumptuous, but to all the Lillisviel supporters I'd say unless we get some major motivation, wait for a different route, assuming we get to go back and play as the other classesSince it seems to be pertinent here, I'll let you folks know. After some further consideration, I've decided not to restart the Fate Quest. When Awakening Mirror ends, I'll move on to writing either the third arc or an entirely new quest.>>3604455You've made plenty of rational responses here, but where do you really stand on the Liliesviel debate? Were you charmed by her cuteness, or are you staying aloof?
>>3604455>Well, that's kind of how we won the Akeldama Grail War, so...Fair, but I'd still be careful.Between Lily and the Master of Archer I don't see much room to turn our swag on with only Charisma D.Another note.Lily is not Illya.I'm pretty sure the Einzberns would make certain not to make that mistake again.But who knows at this point?>>3604470You could have been writing the update, but instead you taught us about sculptures.What a great QM, you can't get this autistic devotion to quality information almost anywhere else.
>>3604455>Introduction to Structural Energy SystemsWhy this one?
>>3603953>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.Seems the most useful one.I am fine wtih not slaughtering Einzberns and talking some sense IC in Liliesviel if possible but being indebted to Einzberns or relying on them for existence after the War is the last thing we should aim for. There ought to be better and more reliable ways to maintain our presence.
>>3604495>Einzbern>Not repeating mistakes>"Guys lets do the exact same thing for the sixth time! It's sure to work this time!"I don't think they understand the concept of not repeating mistakes.
>>3604495The Master of Archer is a hag, she was already out of the question.>>3604506>"Guys lets do the exact same thing for the sixth time! It's sure to work this time!">tfw you tried a Grail War to gain immortality, but it failed because it wasn't a true Grail War...
>>3604513>immortalityWait, am I thinking about Zouken or did they have that end goal as well?
>>3604494>third arcCrossing fingers for Moon Cell shenanigans.Although it existance would make our verse even more of a mash up.
>>3604465Also I'm not quite sure how Shirou would deal with tracing an Anti-World Noble Phantasm.
>>3604514They just want to complete the Third Magic iirc.
>>3604455>Reproduction of the miracles would require favor from the gods that he may or may not haveHe almost definitely won't have it, because we came first and he's firmly against using the Grail to wish for the gods to return.>since he can replicate holy swordsHe made a cheap, hollow fake, didn't he?The wiki cites Nasu in Fate/complete material III (p.134), where he states that Divine Constructs can't be replicated but "there might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though".>and even Rho Aias (whatever the hell a magic flower is made of)Seven cowskins and a layer of bronze.
>>3604506No, they do understand. They try to make different mistakes every time.>First War: no Command Seals, so the Servants can do whatever they like>Second War: idk but something nasty no doubt>Third War: summoned AM>Fourth War: hired Kiritsugu>Fifth War: sent Kiritsugu's daughter to be both Berserker's Master and the lesser grailWonder what they did this time.
>>3604527Well the first mistake they made was somehow allowing the grail to let Judas Iscariot be summoned with a totally bullshit Noble Phantasm.
>>3604528Technically that was AM altering the Grail and letting evil people be summoned.although einzberns are still to blame for summoning him in the first placeBefore that only Good and Neutral alignments were allowed, actual character notwithstanding.
>>3604536He should be gone now though, right?Dumping the grail into numberspace for our wish is a solution, but not a perfect one, if he isn't.>>3604523The biggest thing in our favour is that our sword (which is also a top tier holy sword) was seemingly created in Imaginary Number Space from material originating within it, Shirou can only use Earthly materials so he theoretically shouldn't be able to copy it and an attempt might just default to Durandal.Additionally, to analyse our sword, wouldn't he have to also analyse a portal leading to an uncertain realm?If that's the case our sword is Ea-tier "this makes my brain hurt."
Would the Emiyas really dislike us absorbing the other Servants? If the energy isn't going to the Grail, doesn't that mean it won't work if we absorb enough of our enemies?
>>3604558Nah, it's specifically mentioned when we did it that most of it goes to the grail.As for whether the Emiyas would appreciate us Megamanning our way through a Grail War to win, Shirou slapped Archer's arm directly onto his stump in order to get through the Grail War.And it's not like we're properly absorbing them like the Shadow did.We're just using our fucky nature to our advantage.Now they might have a problem with killing Saber again but hey, Shirou's got experience.
>>3604494I was in favor of trying to team up with Lily and the Emiyas even before this interlude because I think it's a smart plan considering what we're up against, and I'd prefer to avoid her death because that's just how I am. The fact that she's adorable is a bonus.>>3604498As useful as pure element control will be, it's just that - pure element control. There's no structure to it, which we'll probably need to learn something of to achieve desired results more effectively. Alternatively, Forms of Power could help us learn stuff like summoning circles, which we might be able to use to draw specific things out of the IN realm.I'm not against learning pure element control, though. It might be a good first step that will help us get more out of the remaining two books.>>3604523>he's firmly against using the Grail to wish for the gods to return.I certainly don't remember Alberich ever being firmly for that.>He made a cheap, hollow fake, didn't he?He made a functional Caliburn and perfectly projected Avalon in Fate, and in Heaven's Feel he creates a working copy of Saber Alter's Excalibur. Archer also threatens in UBW to create a "faithful" replica of Excalibur to duel Saber with, with the inevitable collateral damage of an Excalibur-off limiting Saber's options.>Divine Constructs can't be replicatedWe don't have a reason to believe our NP is a Divine Construct. Anti-World is no more than a classification indicating what our NP targets.>Seven cowskins and a layer of bronze.According to legend, yes, but personally I don't think the seven layers of glowing purple glass that Archer projects match that description very closely.>>3604550>wouldn't he have to also analyse a portal leading to an uncertain realm?He's successfully traced Gem Sword Zelretch, so I don't think things that poking holes in our world will be too difficult for him to trace.>>3604527In the second war, while they had finally added command spells, they had forgotten to add rules.>>3604558Based on the description when Rider died, we're not siphoning off enough to cause concern. But even if we were, wouldn't it be ideal for the Emiyas if the Grail doesn't have enough energy to function?
>>3604558Eating strong magical beings for fun certainly isn`t going to win goodboi points in their eyes.Since they might assume that we will take them as a snack next. Medusa, Shirou and Sakura are very nutritious. Sakura might be even enough to stabilize our existence post-War.
>>3604569Archer was probably bullshitting in UBWOnly time he can even create a half-way close to believeable fake of Excalibur is within the Moon CellHis Excalibur in HF is a "close enough" fake that also kills himHe made Caliburn with Saber's assistance no?As for Raw Ass, it's magic I don't gotta explain shit.The Avalon Projection is because of some stupid bullshit that isn't possible with anything elseThe Jewel Sword doesn't specifically have a portal for it's cutting edge. The Jewel Sword is also specifically something that Zelretch intended for humans to be able to create eventually, Our sword is linked to nothingness bullshit.
>>3604583>The Avalon Projection is because of some stupid bullshit that isn't possible with anything elseIt's because Avalon was literally inside his body for the greater half of his life, making it the most familiar object that he could project. So stupid bullshit.
>>3604583>Archer was probably bullshitting in UBWIt's hard to say for certain, but if a mostly-dead, mind-addled Shirou can pull it off, Archer probably can too.>His Excalibur in HF is a "close enough" fake that also kills himNot really. It's a "close enough" fake, sure, but so are all his projections. It doesn't kill him, though - what kills him is Archer's arm, which puts a huge strain on his mind whenever he projects and his mind inevitably shatters as a result.>He made Caliburn with Saber's assistance no?He needed Saber's assistance to use Caliburn, but not to project it. He projected it straight out of his dreams.>As for Raw Ass, it's magic I don't gotta explain shit.That's kind of my point.>The Avalon Projection is because of some stupid bullshit that isn't possible with anything elseTrue, but he still managed to project it, it takes you to another world, and it's not even a sword.>The Jewel Sword doesn't specifically have a portal for it's cutting edge.If anything, that should make it easier for Shirou to project, since the portal IS the sword.
>>3604607You're totally wrong on the Excalibur thing.Complete Materials 3 retcons it>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.How should him having to analyse a portal leading to imaginary number space make projecting it easier?Hell, if it's entire edge is a portal, then you could actually say it has no edge at all.So could you even really call it a sword?Avalon is absolute asspull tier so lets try not to use that as our example
>>3604620Ah, Kinoko "I can't stop contradicting myself" Nasu.>Archer is Shirou, with a superior version of his ability>Shirou can project Excalibur using Archer's arm>Archer can't project Excalibur>By the way, he can only project close-combat weapons>But if he fucks up his magic circuits badly enough, he can project guns!orz
>>3604620>Complete Materials 3 retcons itChrist, Nasu, give us a break, will ya?The Gem Sword doesn't have much of an edge, either. It's an oblong crystal on a stick with a hole to another world inside of it so you can turn it into the world's most dangerous laser pointer. A sword that cuts through anything by sending material its edge comes into contact with to a different dimension is conceptually very sword-like by comparison.And Rho Aias isn't a sword at all.
>>3604629Things that aren't swords are apparently more expensive and lower quality.Fishing Rods and Bows definitely aren't swords. Basically Shirou is wildly inconsistent in both his ideals and his powerset, but we love him for it.
>>3604298Thanks for the cleanup, anon! This looks excellent.By the way, I'm curious what Servant the face and arm are coming from. The main armor is Saberlot's, and the cloak is an edit of Seiba's, but I can't place the head sprite or the arm holding Heiligöffnungschwert.
>>3604624Prisma "Nasu is asleep, have Shirou win a grail war in one night, trace Divine constructs and create sword tidal waves in Unlimited Blade Works." Illya is my favourite example of inconsistency
>>3604644Did Miyu's brother even go through the same inciting incident for his sword origin? I'm not caught up on Prillya, but it seems like he probably has a different set of powers that merely look similar.Of course, everything in that world is stupidly OP compared to FSN. There's a family of human magi that can manufacture new NPs using cards.
>>3604640orig spriteanon here, these are the parts I used.
>>3604656He just uses an EMIYA card (which is meant to be degraded from a Servant) and activates bullshit mode Then he loses the card and activates super bullshit mode.
>>3604659Oh, interesting. So it was Saber Diarmuid and Li Shuwen...Nice job picking the parts; they really came together well.By the way, you referred to that as "take 1" in the last thread. Planning on doing another version?
>>3604668I could maybe try for something with the lion helm but that'd have to be drawn from scratch I feel. The color corrected and properly outlined version >>3604298 looks pretty dang spiffy, thanks for fixing it up m8s!
>>3604682I'd be glad to see it if you did try drawing the helm from scratch, but either way you've contributed something great to the quest. Thank you!>>3604661>He uses an EMIYA cardThat's one of my big problems with Prillya, right there. Not Servant cards, I can accept those as a plot device, but the EMIYA card in particular. EMIYA is a direct product of the timeline in which F/SN takes place. He begins as Shirou, experiences the Fuyuki fire, has Avalon stuck in his chest, becomes a sword, and eventually contracts with Alaya to obtain UBW and become a counter guardian.Prillya occurs in a world where none of that happens. There is no Fuyuki fire. Illyasviel is an almost normal girl. Shirou is a random orphan who Kiritsugu and Irisviel decided to adopt for no real reason. Nobody stuck Avalon into Shirou's chest. There is no cause in this timeline for the existence of Archer. UBW and his abilities are a causeless existence with no origin.Even then, you could say that events diverge in F/SN, but he still exists there, so he has some independence from the flow of history. But then, it gets even worse! The Servant cards are from an entirely different world, in which history diverted much earlier, and there's no conceivable path to the existence of Archer! Where does UBW come from? Where does the EMIYA card come from? It makes no sense.
>>3604711>adoptI think the term is "kidnap".No Fire = Shirou wouldn't be an orphan. Prillya is so dumbAt least Kid Gil shows up, and that was pretty cool.The cards are just stupid though.Especially the EMIYA card. Don't forget the card was actually blank until EMIYA decided to just somehow hop into it.And nobody is remotely surprised by the existence of Counter Guardian EMIYA at all.
>>3604726Also how is it possible for Saber to be a class card?She should either be mulliganing grail wars, in Avalon, or a Counter Guardian, no? She shouldn't be a Heroic Spirit, right?
>>3604735Presumably Artoria would normally be capable of being a Heroic Spirit, but in the Prillya timeline she didn't make that deal at the end of her life or whatever?
>>3604742You need to make so many exceptions for Prisma Illya.It's like a wierd fever dream.It makes even less sense than HA at times, and HA isn't meant to make sensewhat's your favourite HA scene anyway, everyone?I think mine is the shenanigans that occur with Rin's second true magic box.
>>3604142>AlberichKing of Gods please.
>>3604774My favorite scene from Hollow Ataraxia? I'd say it's a toss-up between the pool-date with Illya and visiting Illya at home.
Wait what would happen to Alberich if he fused his current sword with Ea?
>>3604814>King of GodsI don't think it works that way.>>3604815Both great scenes.Good taste.I mostly like the Rin scene because of the phone dialling through to other timelines.
>>3604822I have no idea.The real question is what happens to everyone else.
I still don't think Shirou should be able to trace our sword. I hope not.But his abilities are just too inconsistent to know one way or the other.At least if he can he'd only be able to trace a sword that can cut through anything, not like the gods are just gonna hand out miracles to anyone.Also I would imagine an Anti-World NP would have a large energy cost to trace, even for him.
Transcendental Principles of Elementalism is what you settle on. It was Heiligöffnungschwert's third miracle that provoked this return to the library, after all. If you hold in your possession an artifact that can manifest your Imaginary Elements, the only reasonable choice in magic study is to read the book on elemental control. Previously you were interested in general magic theory; supplementing your understanding of the way magi look at the world, since you had no direct path in mind when it came to your own magical pursuits. Now, however, the need arises for a more practical focus. Unfortunately, the author confined himself to writing about the so-called Five Great Elements: those elements which manifest in this world, namely Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, and Sky. Although one of these is an alignment of yours, its nature makes it less than ideally useful for raw manipulation. Sky, the author explains, is an element that can only affect magical constructs and actualized mysteries, since it is the element of magic itself. You recall Circe telling you something similar during her own dissertation on the elements, back in the Akeldama, but she didn't get into much detail regarding manifesting them directly. Her view of magic, you recall, was as spells created by a combination of element and attribute, where the primary focus is to produce a certain effect on the world by actualizing the mystery related to it through a foundation of element and a form defined by attribute. As you consider the subject, you realize this likely has to do with the origins of magic from a goddess' perspective. If magic began as using the divine language to command the world to reshape itself, it would be natural to, when studying the composition of magic that makes up these commands, prioritize the effect and regard the mystic substance as subsidiary.Elementalism seems to be a very different sort of magic. It's manifestly human in its outlook, to continue with the speculation regarding conceptual origins, as it studies magic beginning with substance. Both Circe and the elementalist magi recognize the world as being composed of five elements, but whereas her approach to magic focused on the manifestation of effects, the author of Transcendental Principles writes exclusively about the manifestation and control of elements in their pure material state. Since Sky has no function in a pure material state, it's naturally glossed over. Still, you persevere despite the cold treatment given to your alignment. It's the method that matters, after all, not the subject. With Heiligöffnungschwert's power, you should be able to maintain the existence of Nothingness, which Circe called "the element of impossible materialization," using the principles outlined here for the ordinary material elements.
The methods outlined in the text are, by and large, as much the object of Circe's scorn as its subject. The book follows a chronological approach to the development of elemental control, beginning with the most rigid of formal craft by outlining such things as magic circles that can be inscribed on parchment and then burned to summon a gout of fire. After that, the author progresses to the autohypnotic method, using incantations to promote the subconscious shaping of Od. Less than a third of the book pertains to the information most useful to you, the actual forms which these indirect methods should induce mystic energy to take.Nonetheless, after several hours of reading you arrive at a basic understanding of how to shape your energy into the elemental forms according to the internal method of control that Circe taught you. By focusing on the inner system of your magic circuits and channeling the mystic energy that flows through them to the boundary line between yourself and the world, you can compel it to manifest as materialized Nothingness; at least, that's the theory. Now that you have a clear idea of what to do, you begin your first practical test, conjuring into the air before you...>[ ] A projectile, modeled on the classic fireball design. (Duty)>[ ] A barrier, like an oversized round shield. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] A sword, its shape replicating Heiligöffnungschwert. (Pride)>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)>[ ] Something else (Write in)
Note that just came to mind: Someone in the last thread asked if the emotional stats in the menu were up to date. They are. I've been keeping them updated with fair frequency, I think, and at any rate they're presently current.
>>3605337>[ ] A projectile, modeled on the classic fireball design. (Duty)We need a projectile attack anyway.
>>3605337....>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)
>>3605337>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)You see, Circe? I'm learning
>>3605337>>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)Actually, I take it back. Fuck the insta-delete beam, doing this in honor of Circe is too good to pass up.So this is basically creating a deletion portal without needing to use our cape, right? Though from the sound of it it's not gonna be as big as our current cape.
>>3605350Eh fuck it I'll switch to >[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)I'm not sure about what we could even use it for though.We'll need to find out what effect it has on the material world.
>>3605392No. You're putting your element into physical form. A portal is a complex construct; what you're shaping is solid Nothingness. Neither the projectile nor the ribbon would be "deletion."
>>3605337>>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)
>>3605395Ah, so by creating a flat strip, we're putting something in mid-air to interrupt people's weapon swings or cause them to trip, right? And not an out and out barrier, since that's a separate option?
>>3605408I assume we could also use it for the purposes of binding.
>>3605408Honestly, aside from the nostalgiac factor I'm picking the strip because it seems like the thing that could go the least wrong on our first try.
>>3605408Think of it like an appendage. What you're doing is summoning and controlling your element, after all. You can manipulate it in the same way as you could manipulate a fireball to fly forward, or the sword replica to strike an enemy from behind. If it helps make it clearer, I had first thought of a chain or a tentacle, before deciding that modeling it on Kenótis' first form was more stylistically appropriate.
>>3605434Ah, so like a big ribbon we're controlling with telekinesis?
>>3605443Something like that, yes.
>>3605434Ah so I was correct on my binding assumption.Could be useful.Especially on enemy Masters.Unlikely to work on a Servant but very few Non-Casters can actually use magecraft at all.Like, you might get a few that use runes+1 to us over ArturiaWe can actually use our magical potential for magecraft other than stupid huge golden explosions and temporarily getting stronger/faster.I assume that materialised Nothingness would be a fairly difficult substance to break.With all the other's they have limited uses.A strip of telekinetically (sort of) controlled difficult to break cloth however has a large variety of uses. Binding, neck snapping, blindfolding, suffocating, tripping.
>>3605337A sharp projectile, like a thrown dagger or arrow
So, will Assassin be a Hassan, do you think?Because if so I'm hoping for Serenity.Conceptual Biology should make us immune to her poisons.And if you don't die when she touches you, she gets... attached.
>>3605558I feel like we've already met Assassin. It would make sense, given how Lily's family essentially confines her to the tower.
>>3605558Assassin is "Niemand" in service of Liliesviel anon. A germanic figure most likely.
>>3605583Niemand means "Nobody" too.
>>3605337A parrying dagger.
So that's 4 for a shadowy tendril and 2 for a blade.
>>3605618I've always had really mixed feelings about the Abyss Watcher's design
>>3605635I'm not surprised, that pointy hat is dinky and ugly as hell.
Why not a projectile? We're severely lacking in ranged options.
>>3605644You can use a blade for a projectile or to parry, so it's the same either way.
>>3605644Fuck the projectile, get the utility ability that allows for a wide variety of write ins while also honoring our first waifu.
>>3605644Don't think it's of much use in "serious" combat, while a utility option which can be controlled while fighting is more useful.
>>3605644A basic projectile won't do shit damagewise to a servant.The Cloth Strip can probably be used to trip them or something though, where we can follow through with a deadly finish.Cloth can also be wrapped around an enemy masters throat and squeezed I imagine. So a great way to subdue or kill an enemy master.Hell, we could even wrap it round their face tight enough so they can't use a command spell.
>>3605660It'd be a great way to start a fight off right, most wouldn't expect a Saber cast a projectile magic spell at them and might injure them before we close to melee range.
>>3605671We could definitely kill a master with an unexpected projectile. Don't get me wrong, I think the cloth strip sounds cool too. But it's still only useful at close range and we're already the best close range class without it.
>>3605676Anon, if a servant could be caught off guard by suddenly having a conjured projectile lobbed at them, they probably weren't a very good servant. And it's not like we'll be conjuring an EMIYA style projectile to shoot.
You know, I'm surprised nobody made a joke about Heiligöffnungschwert's three miracles being analogous to Killer Queen's three bombs. Has the kiraposting died down?
>>3605690I mean, the three abilities aren't as seperate and distinctive as the bombs. The three bombs would be more analogous to three related but distinct NPs imo.
>>3605688I mean, the same could be said about a strip of cloth
>>3605702I really like that the cloth can do more than just lob itself at the enemy. It lends itself well to creative tactics.
>>3605684Anon, the Cloth is controlled telekinetically. It's no less useful at long range than shooting a sword would be.And it has far more utility.
Could the strip of cloth also be hardened or sharpened?
>>3605337>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)Honors Circe, can be used in a lot of creative and unexpected ways, and sticks to our bootleg Shadow theme for abilities. How can we not?
>>3605714Why do you need to stab people with your fabric?
>>3605714I assume it won't break easily, but if you want something that's hardened or sharpened, you're probably better off getting the shield or the sword? Like, I love the strip of cloth, but I'm not gonna pretend it can also do what other options offer.
Remember that this is practicing elemental control, not summoning.None of these options really locks out the others permanently or anything. We're just determining what form you're most familiar with based on what you first practice with.It's like the difference between (in some other fantasy series) a pyromancer who starts off learning to throw fireballs and one who starts off with touch of fire.
>>3605718We don't have to be constrained to making it clothlike in every way right? It's a magical construct that we're just making up. We can get a little creative and add even more utility to it.
>>3605724What do you mean by it not being summoning? Would summoning lock us out of other things?
>>3605726From what Sweets just said, looks like it yeah, eventually.
>>3605730If you summon a sword, it's just a sword. If you make a sword out of Nothingness, you can make it float or reshape it into something else, or what have you. It's not a real sword, just a lump of elemental magic shaped like a sword.
>>3605736Why not just start that way now? We're capable of forming it into a blade if we wanted to, so we should be able to add those attributes to a flexible clothlike construct.
>>3605726By all means, do get creative. I put that set of prompts up primarily to demonstrate the versatility of elemental control.
>>3605337Changing my vote to>[ ] A flat strip, like Kenótis' shape when Circe first created it. (Compassion)With sharpened edges, a sharpened point, and can be made flexible or solid >>3605747Doable?
>>3605747Can we make a semi-autonomous construct?
>>3605755*Dream Crusher EX Activated*
>>3605755Sorry to immediately say no after telling you to get creative, but...No.Elemental magic is all about manifesting your element into the world in simple shapes that you control directly. A fireball, a great stream of water, a blade of wind, etc.Complex constructs that exist or act beyond your direct and continuous maintenance would require a more complex form of magic.
>>3605778Hmm.I take it we cannot create something that would react upon something touching it?Like, something like a beartrap.
>>3605778How distracting (during mid-combat) would directly controlling something like an animal construct be? What about a bird construct capable of flight?
>>3605803If you're watching it happen and make it move, yes, but I don't think that's what you mean.
>>3605747Is there any downside to adding attributes to the cloth?
>>3605805Do you want to show off to Lily by making cool animals or something?I don't really see how puppeteering birds or animals will have many applications in combat.
>>3605805Depends on the specifics. If you want something generally shaped like a bird, that "flies" by being propelled through the air by magic, no more distracting than controlling a floating sword or the shadowy ribbon. If you want a realistic-looking bird replica that flies under physical principles, the same way a real bird does, it would be highly distracting. It would also require more knowledge of bird anatomy than you have.>>3605813Only the downsides entailed by the attributes. If you want it to be hard, it will be less flexible, and so-on.
>>3605810I meant more in the way of creating something that would utilise a spring or some kind of release mechanism that would trip when pressure was applied.
>>3605822So could we twist the cloth into a drill?
>>3605822I could do without the hardness if the edges could still be sharp.
>>3605848In the first place, it would be complicated; you'd have to research the construction of it, manifest the mechanical parts individually, assemble them, and then concentrate on maintaining its existence until it had fulfilled its purpose.You can see why magi turned to mystic codes instead, I'm sure.>>3605856I guess?
>>3605871That's slightly irritating AlsoCool, drills > swords anyway.
>>3605882>drills > swordsUnless you're talking about hairstyles, you can take that heretical talk right out of this quest, anon!
>>3605887Drills are a man's weapon pointing to the future, and I won't let you shit talk them while I'm around.
>>3605900>>3605902I'm not going to tell you twice!
>>3605882>>3605887>>3605900>>3605908>>3605902>Local men don't recognize the greatness of the spear, more on that at 11
>>3605920>look at me! I've got a pointy stick!Fuck off, Lancer.
>>3605920Truth is, the reason why I dislike the idea of drills as a weapon is that they're bastardized spears.
A wise man once said "If there's a hole, it's a guy's job to thrust into it".
>>3605936But spears don't drillSpears spear Drills drill.
>>3605939Fantastically poor advice around Kiara.
>>3605925How so?>>3605924>A repurposed slave's mining implement>Versus a noble weapon which has been wielded by conquerers the world over
>>3605945Usually if you see a "drill weapon" in fiction, it's a piercing attack, often placed on the end of a pole. In other words, it's a polearm. What is the origin of polearms? That's right, the spear.Otherwise it's used like a shortsword, and that's just even more lame.
>>3605945>a mighty instrument that can smash through solid rock>sharp stick used to stab fleeing animals with
>>3605957They're not even supposed to be a weapon, anon. Just give it up.
>>3605956I see, makes sense>>3605957At least the drill is better than the crossbow and similar garbage
Check out this drill like thing that is explicitly better than any sword.
>>3605986>Drill-like thing>Doesn't drill through anything>Explicitly a cutting implement>No pointAre you kidding?
>>3605999It's more like a drill than it is a sword.However I feel we've gotten way off topic.
>>3606004We can all agree that drills are best hairstyle though, right?
>>3606016It's pretty great, no doubt about that.
Nothingness: the element that makes up all materials in the Realm of Imaginary Numbers. Although the world you dwell in is made up of Five Great Elements, only two exist in the gods' newer realm. These are Nothingness, which fills the roles of Earth, Water, Wind, and Fire; and Void, which fills the role of Sky. With Heiligöffnungschwert's third miracle and basic knowledge of elemental magic, you're now finally ready to make proper use of the fact that you are aligned to this multifaceted Imaginary Element.You draw the mystic energy out of your magic circuits, transforming it at the edge of your existence, and introducing it into the world as Nothingness, physically materialized. You imbue the element with the soft flexibility of silk, interwoven with the resilience of steel. Then, carefully maintaining the force of will necessary to impose your control on the manifestation, you give it shape, flowing into the world from the energy gathered around your hand as a long ribbon three inches wide by six feet long, of the same color as your cloak. At first you only hold it in place, the difficulty of maintaining its existence gradually slackening as your mind grows accustomed to the task of governing an elemental manifestation. You look at the strange thing floating in the air, for all the world an ordinary strip of black silk, with a feeling of great pride. You've changed a great deal since appearing in the Akeldama; all for the better, of course, but it's never really been by your own power. Akeldama gave you power, first through the pseudo-grail and then through the completion of its ritual. Ayaka empowered you through her ritual, which allowed you to absorb Rider's sacrifice. Circe gave you power in the form of the mystic codes she created for you, which later became your skills and Noble Phantasms. Even your fighting abilities, partially learned through your own effort, were aided by the first mystic code she gave you, the gloves which enhanced your muscle memory. Now, though, for the first time, you've truly improved your power exclusively by your own efforts and study. You've learned, on your own, to wield the power of your element!Status Updated
Experimenting with your control over the manifestation, you will it to take on the red edging that marks the black areas of Kenótis. It obligingly shifts, proving one of your hypotheses about the nature of your weaponry. You'd been wondering whether it was the other side of Kenótis' portal that was wholly dark, or if that were a property of the portal itself. The ability of this construct of Nothingness to hold color proves that the darkness of your portals comes from the fact that whatever light strikes them is being transported to the Realm of Imaginary Numbers, rather than being a fundamental property of the Imaginary Elements. Next, you experiment with the size and physical properties of the ribbon. By pouring more energy into it, you're able to lengthen it as much as you like, and you make several circuits around the walls of the room before returning it to a more manageable size. You confirm your deftness with it by picking up and replacing several books; there are no problems using it as an extensible limb. You can harden it to greater rigidity, making a narrow shield out of the thing, or narrow the edges into a blade, with somewhat more effort than was required to change the color. Finally you try moving the ribbon's entire length away from yourself, and find that it becomes more difficult to sustain the ribbons existence as it gets farther from you. Intriguingly, keeping one end tucked away in your cloak and extending the other across the room uses less energy than holding the entirety of a smaller ribbon at the same distance. You make a mental note to save energy by always keeping the ribbon's 'base' on your person.Satisfied with your control over a single mass of elemental magic, you try creating three ribbons at once. The first comes more easily than before, but trying to keep it in existence while creating a second is taxing, and the third proves too much for you; your concentration breaks, and all three dissipate. Still, you're confident you can continue to improve with practice. Checking your watch, it's about noon. You've spent four hours on magic practice, and it suddenly seems odd that Ayaka didn't contact you to see what you were up to. Then again, perhaps she looked in on you during your reading and you were too absorbed in the book to notice.>[ ] Head to the kitchen for some lunch (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Go down into Vaisset's workshop and start looking through his research notes. (Curiosity)>[ ] Contact Ayaka to discuss your next moves in the War (Duty)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3606137>[ ] Contact Ayaka to discuss your next moves in the War
>>3606142>[ ] Head to the kitchen for some lunch (Self-Preservation)He needs a break, and why not have a nice lunch after a hard days work of training.
>>3606142>>[ ] Head to the kitchen for some lunch (Self-Preservation)Ask if Ayaka wants something to eat as well?
>>3606142Well, let me rephrase.>Check in on Ayaka before going to have Lunch
>>3606142>[ ] Contact Ayaka to discuss your next moves in the War (Duty)
>>3606210Supporting. Make sure Ayaka is okay, and if she's fine then grab a bite to eat.>Inb4 Assassin kidnapped Ayaka so Lily can force us to come after her
>>3606262W O R R YORRY
3-way tie. Haven't had one of those in a while.
>>3606286I have arrived with the tiebreaker!>>3606210
>>3606286I am >>3606210Apologies for not linking
>>3606294Your contribution is still important to the cause of keeping Ayaka from being blown into many bloody pieces! Every post counts!
>>3605583>>3605590Now, assuming Assassin is Otto, we can deduce a few facts from his behavior.Firstly, we saw him, but he didn't register as a Servant: this implies that his Presence Concealment was lost because he had Espionage.Second, he didn't seem very threatened by us, and he knows we're Saber. That means he had an ace up his sleeve (some kind of counter-attacking NP?) or he was bluffing and has Vitrification (which according to complete material III also allowed Sasaki to conceal his presence to some extent, so fucking whatever).
>>3606335Well, it seems you've got it all figured out. Color me impressed. What's your verdict on his identity, then? What Germanic legend can be summoned as Assassin while also fitting the Einzbern criteria of breaking the system in their favor?
>>3606426Is his first name actually Otto? I've got nothing.
>>3606448Otto is what he told us his name was. It's probably about as much his real name as "nobody" is.
Here's all we know about Otto NiemandPhysical description>One is an old man, perhaps in his early sixties, dressed in a navy three-piece suit and antiquated cravat. The primary impression features is of carved ivory, with extremely pale skin, white shoulder-length hair, a full beard, and ice-blue eyes. It is those eyes that belie his apparent age. They seem to glimmer with a font of hidden vital energy, as if the man might at any moment burst into laughter, or spring up and attack you. The same humor in his tone as he invited you in is plainly written on his face, and he seems to examine you like a man reading a finely crafted joke with too much restraint to laugh aloud.>Niemand, too, lets out a chuckle on hearing your introduction. "Alberich, eh? I haven't heard that in many a long year. You're a bit tall for it though, aren't you? Heh heh heh." He sweeps his eyes between you and Liliesviel before continuing, "My, you two do make a pair though. With your looks and the oddity of your names, you two really ought to be siblings. How about it, missy? I'm sure you have a use for an older brother." His eyes twinkle as he throws out the jest, no doubt hoping to prod the girl into more anger.Seems like he wanted us to work with Liliesviel? He sort of suggested it to her. >The second voice is a low whisper from Niemand, which seems to travel directly to your ear without passing through the surroundings. "Best of luck with the deception, Saber. I look forward to your performance." He's aware that we're lying to his master and doesn't care, in fact he's interested to see what happens. Calling it a performance is possibly significant but probably not, maybe he enjoyed the performing arts or had some link to them.
If he's Beowulf I'm gonna be so pissed
>>3606463...Hold up.How tall is Niemand?
>>3606469I don't believe we ever saw him standing.
>>3606469>>3606478You only saw him sitting down, but he was looking you in the eye levelly while seated. He's probably not much taller or shorter than you are.
I swear to god if Niemand is actually Albrecht Höhler.
>>3606491Niemand = dutch for noone.
>>3606491Holy shit, that is a deep cut! Where did you even get that idea?
>>3606491Anon, I've made my own way-too-obscure servant guesses before as well but what in the goddamn man
>>3606509>>3606511Well I do have a nice History degree but I was more thinking the name than anything.Huh now that I am thinking about it, someone who is deep into History and Mythology would call out servants left and right in a Grail War.
>>3606522>See obvious Knightly servant who just took a bite out of some other servant>Instead of going for Vlad or somesuch, call out that he must be Roger of Tosny>"Yo what the fuck anon"That'd be a funny as like a fanfic or something I guess
>>3606522>I was more thinking the name than anything.I'd be more concerned about the very real possibility that our name is his name too.
>>3606542He isn't a manlet, so I'd discount it. That would be funny though, if in at least two of our first servant encounters Alberich claimed to be the servant he's facing.
Is Otto's ability to whisper directly into our ear from a distance significant?
>>3606548Its definitely meta-gaming but next time we see her I want us to tell Artoria that we are Arthur just to see her mad.
>>3606560Probably very much so,
>>3606565>Sarcastically say Alberich is King Arthur if questioned on on his true nameWould support
>>3606565>ARTORIA: So you've survived, false Saber! Are you ready to reveal your true nature at last?>ALBERICH: Sure, sure. Truth is, I'm King Arthur. Rider in this Grail War. You might have heard of me. This is my famous black sword, Excalibur. They said I was the true king of Britain after I proved I was the only one who could pull it out of that lake.>ARTORIA: ...I despise you.
Otto Skorzeny?I'm getting too obscure too.
>>3606578inb4 I'm right and he's a literal werewolf
>>3606578There's someone I'd actually love to see as a servant from the modern period.
>>3606574Fucking beautiful XDI support this course of action
>>3606548My google-fu tells me that, in Der Ring des Nibelungen, Alberich has a magic helmet - the Tarnhelm - which lets him change his form and turn invisible. Theoretically, changing his height a little bit wouldn't be that hard compared to the animal shapes he takes on.The beginning of Das Rheingold would also explain both Espionage and Vitrification. The girls in charge of guarding the Rheingold don't consider Alberich to be a threat (Espionage), but he renounces love (Vitrification, which is basically mental serenity the skill), swipes the gold and bails out with the prize.>>3606578A cool guess, but the one we're looking for is a legendary figure. One who knows the name Alberich. And whose summoning breaks some sort of Grail War rule.
>>3606600Ooo, interesting. There's no way the first listed option in the official name vote is an actual servant in the war, right sweets? Right?
>>3606600Meh, I'm pretty sure Lily would've reacted to us telling her our name is Alberich if that was also her servant's name. I doubt that she would allow him to conceal his name from her.
>>3606609Or maybe that is why she does not think we are a servant. "Why would Big brother Alberich be a servant is my servant is Alberich? So obviously my family made him to help me, he just so happens to take the name." - Lili's thoughts probably
>>3606631She doesn't think we're a servant because she's sure that we're a homunculus like her
>>3606634Exactly. She probably thinks Alberich as our name is nothing more than a way for her to find this new weird homunculus.
>>3606643I personally don't think her Servant is Alberich at all, it's a pretty major reach
>>3606645Everything's a major reach, given that we've seem him once and know he's assassin. We had much more to work with when dealing with Longinus and Judas, and I don't think anyone figured those out until sweets revealed them.
>>3606645While it would be kinda funny, I don't think so either. Just playing around with the idea.
Any more updates tonight sweets? Or should I go to bed?
>>3606692I'm working on another update now, that I plan on having out before I go to bed.
If we had more to work with, it'd be easier to make it out. I have theories, but none perfectly fit what we've seen and what we know. My best guess at the moment is Siegfried, but I just can't say for certain.One of the things giving me the most trouble is that Lily receives a written report from her Servant. Why? Don't they have the Master and Servant mental connection? It just doesn't make sense. Is it a Noble Phantasm? A strange limitation imposed on Assassin? Lily's eccentricity at work? Maybe just Assassin's preference? There has to be a reason.
>>3606692The eternal debate
Although you do find it odd for Ayaka not to have asked about what you were doing, you decide it's unlikely to be a pressing concern. Certainly if something dangerous had happened she would have alerted you by the mental link you share. What is pressing at the moment is the matter of food. It occurs to you as you finish your elemental magic training that you haven't eaten breakfast. Nor, in fact, did you eat lunch or dinner yesterday. Even for a Servant, this is surely pushing yourself too far.So you make your way downstairs, heading for the kitchen and lunch. As you walk, you reach out over your mental link to Ayaka, asking, 'How has your morning been, Miss Ayaka? I've been training since dawn, and seem to have lost track of the time.''I could tell.' Ayaka sounds amused as she answers. 'You didn't show up for breakfast, so I had a look around and saw you in the library, hunched over one of our books. I figured you'd rather not be disturbed, but I bet you regret missing breakfast now, right?''Not only breakfast,' you answer, 'but yes, anyway. I'm on my way to the kitchen now, to try my hand at making myself some lunch.''You don't need to do that, you know. I was about to eat on my own. Come down and join me.''Gladly.'When you arrive, you find Ayaka by a cutting board, assembling meat, vegetables, and bread. Lunch, it turns out, is western style. Roast beef sandwiches, with lettuce, tomatoes, horseradish, and red onions. As she sets the assembled food on plates for you two, Ayaka asks, "have you had these before, Saber-san? I think they're pretty good, but they don't sell sandwiches like this at the school cafeteria so I've gotten used to making them myself.""No," you answer truthfully. They're not something you've had before, as your experience eating has been almost exclusively Japanese dishes, but you soon find that they make for a fine meal. Seeing you wolf down your sandwich, Ayaka is quick to offer you another, and you find yourself eating several without pause. It's lucky for you that Ayaka doesn't mind catering to your ravenous appetite. "Well," you say once you're finally finished eating, "those really are lovely. Thank you for the excellent meal, Miss Ayaka.""Oh, it was really nothing," Ayaka answers with a wan smile. "After the way you fought last night, I'd expected you to be starving. I wasn't expecting you to take an interest in our library, though. Are you a magus, Saber-san?""Not as such. I do possess magic circuits, and can physically channel mystic energy, but up until I began reading from your family's texts I had only the most general knowledge regarding how to implement that capability." You give this self-deprecating answer with effecting bashfulness, before continuing, "I have been making progress, however, and can hopefully show you a useful new technique when we meet our next foe."
"Our next enemy, huh?" Ayaka sounds disheartened at the prospect. "I guess that would be those Emiya people you were talking about, right? If they want to prevent the Holy Grail War from finishing, it's my responsibility as Second Owner to put a stop to them.""I wouldn't be so certain of that," you say cautiously. "As I told you before, I made a favorable impression on the Emiya family the last time we met. They believe the Einzbern family to be the primary masterminds directing the Holy Grail War. If we simply represent ourselves to them as having had a change of heart, and wanting to help them dismantle the Holy Grail, we can make use of their strength to defeat the other Masters.""And we'd be sacrificing the enemy Servants using my ritual, so you'd be powering up as we go, is that the idea?" Ayaka sounds more suspicious of your plan than you'd hoped. In fact, her tone suggests she thinks it's extremely flawed. "After that," she continues, "you're thinking we'd betray them once we were strong enough, right?""That was my thought process, yes," you answer, "but you sound concerned. Why?""Because you aren't considering Father Antaglio, that's why!" Ayaka jabs a finger at you to emphasize her point. "If we brought in outside magi, he'd be sure to put out a reward and tell all the other Masters to fight us all at once! We'd be a threat to the balance of the War, and that's what he's there to preserve! Part of the reason the Holy Church sends a priest to oversee the War is to prevent the Masters from bringing in outside help and turning this set of duels into a real war with armies involved, you know.""But the Emiya family is becoming involved in the Holy Grail War regardless of what we do," you protest. "That man Emiya Shirou won't stand by and wait. However misguided his conviction may be, he's utterly certain in it. I could tell that from one meeting with the fellow. Surely we could simply conceal our cooperation with them from this priest of yours.""I guess so, maybe..." Ayaka assents hesitantly. She still sounds suspicious of the plan, but she's at least beginning to come around. Suddenly a new thought occurs to you, and you freeze. You were thinking of your time speaking with Emiya Shirou, and remembered what you'd said to him about your identity. That man knows you used to be human, and Ayaka still believes you're a Heroic Spirit! If the two of you go to meet the Emiya family with matters as they are, your identity may well come into question. Then, as you're considering that subject, the matter of dreams comes to mind. Often, in the Akeldama, you dreamed of scenes that seemed to be from Circe's life. If Ayaka is experiencing the same link, could she have witnessed some scene from your life as a student last night? Her demeanor doesn't seem changed, but the uncertainty clings to you. You have to make a decision now, whether or not to maintain your persona as a Heroic Spirit!
>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Keep quiet on the subject. (Pride)>[ ] Find another solution. (Write in)
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)Just feeling it desu
>>3606812>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)It would cause too many problems down the line NOT to tell her.If we wanted to be sure the Emiyas wouldn't tell her, we would have to ask them to keep it a secret, which might prompt them to ask why, and then we'd have to think of a good reason not to.Also, keeping secrets from Ayaka only guarantees that they'll come out at the most inconvenient time.
>>3606814>>>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)>>Also explain how it's even possible for you to have turned into a Heroic Spirit, ie the grail war you got sucked into by Judas' NP>Finally. Time for the reveal.Fuck, linked the wrong post, second try.
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)
>>3606821too lazy to delete my post so i'm linking to >>3606814
>>3606814>[ ] Find another solution. (Write in)Let's tell father antaglio about the likelihood that Shirou and company will be involving themselves in the war. We can't have them successfully destroying the grail or risk working with them.
>>3606836Again if we tell him we want to regain what was lost due to Judas's bullshit and put it in a way that means the lives that were lost, he would bend over backwards for us.Or if he finds out we just want to be reincarnated and bring back Circe. We can turn it around and say something like "Would you not do anything to bring back the one most important to you?"
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)Apologize, and let her down gently. Say going Into It that we'd understand If It seems too ridiculous to believe, but we have a full Akeldama story to tell to back up our claim.
>>3606849Sidenote: Thank god for rank D Charisma
>>3606844But how does this remove the risk of the priest putting a bounty on you for cheating?
>>3606836Let's not approach Antaglio. He doesn't need to know about us, but Ayaka does.>>3606881I think he's talking about Shirou.Alberich does reflect Shirou's character a bit, in that they both care deeply for the people close to them and would do a lot to protect them.
>>3606881Can't put a bounty on us if we kill him.
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)I guess we're doing this. The last Hero.I wonder if we can properly befriend Shirou.I mean, Shinji was his friend for gods sake. Alberich also seems to be a magecraft prodigy, thank you, bullshit elements!I wonder if our element combination of Sky, Void and Nothingness is rarer than being an Average One...
>>3607023A: That may not be so easy, since the overseer is an Executor to prevent these sorts of shenanigans. Risei used to be one, right? Can't remember right nowB: That would prompt the Church to send another Executor to replace Antaglio and find out who did it. The new overseer would be even stronger than the last, so if you persist then they'll either kill Ayaka or send in Ciel or some such bullshit.
>>3607039>send Ciel>Ciel is immortal>just throw her into Imaginary Number Space, bye Ciel, make some friends while you're there. And no, killing an executor is very simple for a Servant, see Lancer obliterating Kotomine in UBW.
There's one thing you're all forgetting about Otto.He's an Einzbern Servant.Meaning bullshit is afoot.It's not impossible they've summoned an actual Divine Spirit as a servant, it would certainly explain his amusement towards us as a "finely crafted joke."
Some guesses as to Otto's identity:>Utgard-Loki could craft illusions good enough to fool even gods (one of them being Loki), so he could easily manipulate our senses. He might've used an illusion to speak to us without having to shout.>Loki, another accomplished trickster who favored shapeshifting and sophistry, might probably still use illusions since he was conflated with Utgard-Loki.>Alberich had his helmet, Tarnhelm, which let him shapeshift, become invisible and teleport. It would be pretty funny to him that another hero just happened to have the same name and look exactly like an Einzbern.I'll think of more as it comes.
>>3607083>LokiThat would be a very Einzbern thing to do, actually.
>>3606844Doesn't this version of Shirou only really care about those close to him?
>our go to technique with magecraft is red and black ribbons that are attached to usHahahahahahaSaber rematch is looking like it's gonna be fun for some PTSD triggering.I wonder what Rin will make of us? She's got much more of a magus aligned way of thinking (but actually is a good person) than the rest of the Emiya faction. So she should understand just how ridiculous we are.
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)Hmm it's almost like telling Shirou about our past made no sense at all...
>>3607123Yeah but he's still Shirou.When he has to weigh the life of somebody he cares about or complete strangers, he'd save the one he cares about. Doesn't mean he can really tolerate innocent deaths though. He just has his priorities sorted out.
>>3607126At the time it made a lot of sense.>"This man is a servant!">"You're right lol what are you gonna do about it?">Rider activates eyes and crushes us easily
So I am not totally sold on this, and just wanted to discuss it. Now this might be crazy, but what if the Ezinberns wanted a servant who could plan and strategize their way through the war, so if we are looking at an assassin with espionage and who calls themself Otto, is there any reason it cant be Bismarck besides the fact that it is too obvious and Sweets might be trying to trick us.Bismarck would certainly be aware fully of Alberich's legend considering the piece that fleshed it out was created when he was alive.
>>3607133A good tactician wouldn't be happy having their base in the top floor of a tower like Kayneth.
>>3607133>active from 1860 to 1890Born too late, didn't do impossible enough things.
Hmm.I wonder if we could summon something like a Valkyrie through our sword...
>>3607143Maybe we should start small, go for a Monstrous Beast like a Kelpie or something.Then we progress to a Phantasmal Species.Finally we should be good enough to control a Divine animal.
>>3606814Okay, new planWe can tell Father about the F/SN crew.If we impress upon him the severity of the threat to the war, he might put a stop to the fighting and have every servant and master sent after them for some kind of reward. We could team up with them and learn more about them, and absorb the energy of those killed by the OP squad.
>>3607151Hahahaha.That is an awful plan!
>>3606134>These are Nothingness, which fills the roles of Earth, Water, Wind, and Fire; and Void, which fills the role of Sky.Could we materialize nothingness that acts like fire then?
>>3607155How so? It's not as awful as teaming up with Shirou.
>>3607155It's an awful plan because causing a clusterfuck is always gonna go poorly.You remember the last servant clusterfuck we caused? We got shot in the leg. Also Shirou could rulebreaker Saber and Rin could contract her.
>>3607171>Also Shirou could rulebreaker Saber and Rin could contract her.That could happen anyway.
>>3607167Eh, teaming up with Shirou is a solid plan. Being able to keep an eye on him being a dumb shit is helpful and he's a rather predictable man.Also Alberich just can't help but like him.>>3607176I feel that it's more likely to happen if we betray them and throw a clusterfuck at them for no reason
>>3607180Don't forget that Rin, Rider, and Sakura are working with him too and most likely limiting his typical dumbshit decisions
>>3607188Honestly we'd be best off finding out why Rin had scheduled a visit to the Emiyas before they possibly could've told her, at least.Coincidence? Not likely. Also I want to tell Medusa that Perseus died like a fucking pleb.Anyway, Vaisset broke that rule of the grail war the moment he had Caster use Akeldama.HmmI wonder if Lily was created using Illya as a template. Illya was the best grail vessel made so far after all.
>>3607204The difference is that Akeldama could be kept secret.
>>3607349If there were no survivors, sure.
>>3607039Risei used to be an executor, yes.>>3606713>One of the things giving me the most trouble is that Lily receives a written report from her Servant. Why? Don't they have the Master and Servant mental connection? It just doesn't make sense. Is it a Noble Phantasm? A strange limitation imposed on Assassin? Lily's eccentricity at work? Maybe just Assassin's preference? There has to be a reason.Thanks for picking up on this, ID. There's nothing I enjoy more than seeing you folks puzzling over some detail. Makes me glad I'm running a quest in a setting with as much mystery as Fate.>>3606762I laughed. Very nice; always glad to see more edits.General question to you folks:I've noticed several other QMs have dedicated twitter accounts. I don't have one in my daily life, bit would you like it if I set one up for quest update notifications, in case I ended up having a break between threads for some reason?
>>3607357>a setting with as much mystery as Fatenice pun>twitter accountSure, why not? The people with accounts could use one.
>>3607357>twitter I don't mind, honestly. I don't use it either but they are nice things for a QM to have to talk to their audience without creating a new thread or wading into the cesspool that is /qtg/ I guess.
>>3607357If you feel you need it. I don't really do twitter myself, but I'm sure some anons do.
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)Better now than later when it can bite us in the ass at the wrong moment.>>3607357It could be pretty useful for announcements about updates or new threads since I doubt a lot of people keep thread open 24/7. But only if you feel like it,
>>3607396I mean, you could just pin the thread.And yeah, I don't doubt the long term consequences of lying further. I'm not sure about the short term consequences. Worst case is she assumes we let Vaisset die as some act of revenge.We didn't, we were just outmatched by the worst possible opponent.She also knows our capabilities are just as good as a heroic spirits by watching us just tear Rider apart. Now is really the best time for it.Vaisset was kinda growing on me too, might as well avenge him.I do wonder the reason behind Ayaka somehow discerning our original identity somewhat when we were first introduced. Perhaps our mannerisms or speaking style? She'd have to have been pretty stalkery towards Rushorou for her to be able to discern that, but Rushorou had a lot of secret admirers due to being the school's aloof student council president bishounen.
>>3607396>I doubt a lot of people keep thread open 24/7What? You mean you don't?
>>3607416>Worst case is she assumes we let Vaisset die as some act of revenge.I feel like it was possibility before fight with Rider. She still could use command spell to tell us to fall on our sword but it feels a lot less likely now than before. It is also likely that she saw portion of our past, perhaps Akeldama, so putting 2 and 2 together for her will take small amount of time.>Vaisset was kinda growing on me too, might as well avenge him.Yeah, Harris should die.>>3607424I commit grave sin of actually turing off my computer from time to time. I know I am worse than Sakura for doing so.
>>3607432>>3607435I also do this.
>>3607440>worse than SakuraShe did nothing wrong, anon.
>>3607440>worse than SakuraHey, 99% of humanity is worse than Sakura. Don't feel so bad.
And speaking of Rider. Does anybody else feel like he was more of a "tutorial boss" rather than fearsome opponent? Because all other Servants in Akeldama or in this War feel a lot more potentially dangerous.>>3607443>>3607444Thanks for going all Heaven`s Feel on me, lads.
>>3607444I wish Sakura didn't have such bad publicity.I blame secondaries perpetuating the meme.I also blame Carnival Phantasm for shitting on her for no reason.
>>3607457Oh come on, really? I seriously tried to make that fight feel dangerous and threatening! What did I do wrong?>>3607459I have to tell you, she was my second-favorite character even in Carnival Phantasm.But then, as you know I have a fondness for yanderes.
>>3607457>RiderRider as a class aren't really supposed to fight Sabers in melee, they are supposed to use their multiple NPs and mounts to overwhelm other Servants.We however turned his mount into a pile of limbs which made him berserk, then he actually went full madness enhancement.
>>3606814>[ ] Tell Ayaka you were once Yumigawa Rushorou. (Self-Preservation)No real reason to keep it from her at this stage.Just a reminder to everyone that this might be our last chance to abort working with the Emiyas. If anyone has objections to the plan, speak now or forever hold your peace.If not, it might be smart to decide ahead of time exactly what kind of relationship we want to have with the Emiyas so the thread doesn't get held up once we're there. I think it's pretty clear that we should avoid open collaboration as much as possible so we don't get a bounty on our heads, but we can at least share a little information and agree to end the war with minimal collateral damage.>>3607357>There's nothing I enjoy more than seeing you folks puzzling over some detail.If only you could watch me sit here and try to sort the mysteries out. You'd have a ball.As for the twitter: if you think it would help, go for it.>>3607440>I commit grave sin of actually turing off my computer from time to time.Who are you, Shinji?>>3607457I think it only felt like that because we read him so well and didn't get killed. There's also the fact that Rider is the first Servant in the quest we've fought on relatively even ground - every other Servant has dwarfed us in power, either by us being not a Servant yet or by running into Kishi Ou and her bullshit.
>>3607457He does feel like a bit of a tutorial boss, yeah.>unbreakable sword forces you to fight smart instead of running him over with brute force>Brigliadoro teaches you the value of maneuvering by forcing you to get into a position where Roland can't escape despite the absurd speed boost>Orlando Furioso is where you put both of these lessons into practice, getting a feel for his new stats and luring him into a trap so you can finish him>if you don't finish the job quickly enough he calls in Charlemagne to kick your ass, so after you injure him badly you're on a timer or you would be if you outnumbered him
>>3607469I think anons are too used to dying from trying to 1v1 servants with stats far inferior to a servant and getting wrecked. I thought there was a significant risk, there always is, fighting a Rider.They almost always have a trump card NP or skill to ruin your day.
>>3607473You know what would work for collaboration without the organisers finding out?A phone.Use one of those encrypted messaging apps.Easy.
>>3607481>A phone.GAH! What modern blasphemy is this? Don't you have any faith in magic?
>>3607482And this is why Kiritsugu was so successful. But I digressI don't have much faith in Shirou's magic, no.
>>3607469I mean I really liked the fight it is just subverted my expectations because of how smoothly it went. I fully expected him to be as hard to put down and last as long in the war as Teach did.
>>3607491Well, I wanted it to be more of a hard and fast direct fight, since I have a habit of dragging things out. Still, every choice in that fight had either one or two DEAD END options, so I really didn't expect you to get through it so easily.
>>3607491>everything goes perfectly according to our plan>subverted expectationsThis is what you have reduced us to, Sweets.and it's hilarious.
>>3607481Does Ayaka have a phone? If so, that could be pretty effective. We'd definitely need an encrypted messaging app, though, since I don't trust Sweets not to give Harris a Stingray just to fuck us over for not taking that precaution.>>3607482>t. El-Melloi Archibald>>3607495It was definitely fast, that's for sure. There may have been a lot of DEAD END choices, but Roland became incredibly easy to read the second we figured out who he was. He was also built to be outnumbered, and he fought us in a one-on-one, so his strongest abilities were useless.
>>3607525It's really quite sad, that if Alberich had it his way and stacked the deck against Roland he would have had a much better time of it. Him challenging the True Seibah to a mano y mano duel was a fatal mistake.
>>3607525>built to fight multiple enemies at once>challenges opponents to 1 on 1 duels.Roland might in fact be an idiot.I thought Astolfo was meant to be the idiot of their group.As for Ayaka, we'll probably have to ask.Even Rin has a phone (granted she locked it in the most secure place in the house because magi hate machines, but still.)
Revolver Rushorou.... one day....
>>3607525>The StingRay is an IMSI-catcher, a controversial cellular phone surveillance device, manufactured by Harris CorporationIntentional?Also yeah, just use Whatsapp or w/e the in universe copyright free equivalent would be named.
>>3607473I object to this plan completely. By working with them we're risking the father's wrath, and with that comes increased scrutiny that could expose us as a false servant. Also there's the obvious risks of our true evil nature being found out by Shirou, the risk of dying during our inevitable betrayal, and the risk of them succeeding in dismantling the grail which fucks us over completely.
>>3607580But why?We don't need a gun.
>>3607581Didn't they recently find a massive security flaw in that which hackers were using to pull information off people's phones?
There's nothing for it, you decide. You have to tell Ayaka the truth. About your first identity, about what happened to you inside the Akeldama, all of it!"Before we go on," you say, "I have something to tell you, Miss Ayaka; something very important about my nature as a Servant.""Oh?" Ayaka perks up. "Have you remembered something about who you really are?""That's just it, you see..." You trail off for a moment, hesitating, before steeling yourself to continue. "I never lost my memories, Miss Ayaka. I've been keeping my identity a secret, first from your brother and then from you, because I was worried that it might interfere with the War. Now, however, I feel I must tell you the truth.""You were-" Ayaka chokes off an indignant squeal as a flush of anger rushes into her face. "Fine," she says, forcibly calming herself, "go on.""How much did your brother tell you about Caster?""I'm not sure what you mean." Ayaka looks at you with confusion. "Wednesday night, when he summoned you, at first he ran up out of his workshop to tell me he'd summoned Caster. Then he went back down, and later, when I went down to have a look, it turned out that he'd actually summoned you. He said you were really Saber and that he'd been confused, right? You were there, you must remember.""So that's all you know," you mutter gravely. "In that case, I must start from the beginning. Your brother did summon Caster; a vile spirit whose true name doesn't bear mentioning, and a Servant with a truly diabolical Noble Phantasm: Akeldama. It held the power to create a pocket of space and time, with no time passing outside as long as events occured within it, and to summon there numerous people. Caster used it shortly after being summoned, drawing to himself over a thousand individuals. Some were magi, some, like myself, were not. There, he compelled us to fight one another with the promise of the Holy Grail. The true object of this conflict, and the purpose of Akeldama, was to absorb our spirits as sacrifices to Caster, empowering him greatly once we had all perished. I won't bore you with the details of the fighting, but in the end only I and a few others survived. I slew Caster with my own hands, and by killing him was forced to absorb the collected energy of the dead and take his place as a Servant."Ayaka's face goes white as you tell the story, but her expression stiffens as if to keep from betraying emotion. As you draw the story to a close, she finally says in a low, barely audible voice, "I guess he should have been the Shijou successor, not me. To plan a human sacrifice on that scale..."
Then she rallies, getting her voice back to a more normal tone, "Anyway, it makes sense for you at least. If you'd already been taking in that much energy, it explains why it was so easy for your spirit to process the new energy from Rider. But please, finish your story. What kind of person were you before you became a Servant? What's your real name, anyway?""You should know what kind of person I was by my name," you say, feeling a rogue urge to chuckle despite the serious mood. "Although I have been transformed utterly by the Akeldama's power, I was born as Yumigawa Rushorou. I spent 17 years living in Tokyo, and was until recently a student at Kyoutenkan Academy. I confess I didn't know you personally, but I dare say I was well-known enough at school that you knew me." Now Ayaka freezes in shock once again, before a high, stuttering, disbelieving laugh falls from her lips. "Ha- aha- heheha... That's impossible, Saber-san. I just saw President Yumigawa on Friday." Then the anger comes back into her expression. "How dare you lie to me like this? Why would you do that? Taking a name that's so obviously someone else's? I didn't mind you not having memories; I could even forgive you if you said you had to keep your true name a secret from me for some practical reason! But this? You'd lie to me about who you are? Was everything else you just said a lie too?">[ ] How do you respond?
Speaking of things not going according to plan, here's this update!
>>3607584>the risk of them dismantling the grave Safely dismantling it takes years.We might not even have to betray them>"Our true evil nature" Shirou is literally living in the same house as a Monster that easily amassed hundreds of kills in her life.And Medusa It's just a joke, take no offenceBesides, it's unlikely we're gonna go on a killing spree or do anything evil.We're a self-serving asshole at worst. We're not outright malicious.
>>3607597>[ ] How do you respond?Has Yumigawa Rushorou been absent since I've been Summoned? He had a perfect record and was a model student. Surely he would've at least notified the council before being reported absent.
>>3607597Jumped the gun on my vote a little, but I'm honestly pretty confused. I thought we were noted as absent from school when we escorted Ayaka. I assume I'm fucking up the timeline in my head, and would really appreciate some clarification.
>>3607600Well, fuck me sideways.>>3607608It's very bad, anon.We've been Saber since Thursday.Unless she's somehow mistaken.I'm so confused.
>>3607620We've been Saber since Thursday, but we apparently showed up on Friday? What day were we noted as absent from school?
>>3607627Friday, I think baseball kid talked about us being absent.
>>3607597>I just saw President Yumigawa on Friday.Fancy. Rider`s Master mentioned that we were absent from school during thursday.
You were summoned on Wednesday night. Yumigawa Rushorou was absent on Thursday, which Kajiwara Haruo noticed and was talked about at school, since the StuCo Pres had never missed a day before. On Friday, Ayaka says she saw you at school.
>>3607635Alright, so what I'm thinking is that Caster doesn't truly kidnap people, just steal a significant portion of their spirit. Which causes them to basically become really sick until their spirit can heal itself. Caster only needed to absorb the energy of their spirit right? He doesn't need their fleshy meat bodies.But since we killed Caster, we're left around as a copy of the original Yumigawa Rushorou.
>>3607635So listing out everything that only somebody intimately familiar with Yumigawa Rushorou would know would be the way to go then.
>>3607647It could also be that somebody cleaned up after Akeldama leaving bunch of puppets in place of missing people.
>>3607653Eeeeeeh, don't magi just kill all witnesses? Replacing them with puppets seems like an unnecessary step that reeks of kindness. And I thought puppets were a dying art outside of that one chick with a sealing designation?
>>3607635Oh no, it's all gone to shit.Well let's see our options Option number 1: she's hallucinating our appearance at school somehowOption number 2: someone stole our identityOption number 3: upon reaching the silver grail and being modified, we were in fact copied and changed, the original Yumigawa Rushorou was sent back to reality and replaced by the Conceptual Rushorou.Option 4: Everyone in Akeldama is a copy
>>3607666Option number 3 also explains the absence, as even Yumigawa would've needed a day to recover from the cities.
>>3607597>"Information is power, Miss Ayaka. Knowledge, and controlling it, was what saw me through much of the False Grail War. Suppose I came out and told your brother that I was not a hero of legend who could easily see you and him through the War, but rather was a schoolboy who by iron and blood triumphed against impossible odds to get here."From here, just start listing things that the only a student intimately involved with the processes at Kyoutenkan Academy would or should know.
>>3607674>by iron and bloodAdelheid really made an impact on you, I see.
>>3607597Well then we need to show her we are not lying. So I guess go to sleep for that shared memory bit.Also it might be wise to investigate this fake (Oh god I hope its a fake).
>>3607677A little callback to the "final solution" saving grace. I like to think that Alberich inadvertently copying important phrases from German history is a real thing, and not just that one time.
>>3607666>We are a copy and Circe is with the real RushorouFuck.
>We might be the EMIYA of YumigawaO fuck boys
>>3607684Speaking of the dream cycle, did Ayaka not sleep last night? I figured seeing our memories would have made this way easier. Unless she saw snippets of the False War where our body had already changed dramatically.
>>3607693She slept. I won't tell you just what she saw, but dreams are often vague and confused.
>>3607666I think 3 is most likely
>>3607691I swear, if this is true...
>>3607691Circe didn't know what we looked like pre-grail IIRC
>>3607658>witnessesTo mass disappearing of people during one night in Tokyo. It would make sense of Mage`s Association or Church to try to maintain vision of normality and peace in the city during duration of War rather than creating new urban legend for people to wander the streets during the night searching for missing people risking walking into Servants fighting each other.>And I thought puppets were a dying art outside of that one chick with a sealing designation?I recall she was just miles better than rest of practitioners?
I feel like I am in denial mode right now and I am just going to assume its a Caster because this war is fucked in terms of what servants are fighting.Though if its Number 2 of this>>3607666 then maybe its Assassin or something. The whole reason we were curious about the note was because it specifically said something about surviving Akeldama.
>>3607718>it specifically said something about surviving Akeldama.It did?
It is wasteful and double edged but we can tell her to use command spell to make us confirm the thing we just told her.
>>3607691Would Circe acknowledge this Yumigawa as the same?He can't eat Kykeon.He doesn't look the sameHis magic circuits are likely terrible. Not a hero.Adelheid meanwhile definitely wouldn't, not after our conversation.
>>3607722That's... not a completely horrible idea. Horribly wasteful like you said, but it'd settle things without a doubt.
>>3607721I recall something like that.
>>3607718>>3607721What note specifically are you referring to?
>>3607597Go investigate our home, or wherever Yumigawa should be right now. We have t see for ourselves
>>3607746When the Limo first started following us and we got a note.
>>3607752Anon...That...That was from the Einzbern.
>>3607752All it said was "How did you escape?"
>>3607756Ah I figured that was for Akeldama but now that I think about it if the Einzberns thought we were a homunculus.
>>3607756Was that from Stachel or Stengel? It wouldn't have really made sense for Lily or Otto.
>>3607765All you know is that it came out of the limo.
We need to find this Yumigawa Rushorou, be he real or fake, and question him, if he is somehow connected to his servants from the Akeldama war and is the same Rushorou from the war, he is possibly our greatest enemy.
>>3607779>We, Alberich, Rushorou's EMIYA, are also dead-set on killing our former self.Lel
>>3607768We should've been able to see which window it came from right?
>>3607780>Akeldama was our Fate route>We are now on the UBW routeHF route when?
>>3607779If he was sent back home when we became conceptual then there's no way he has our command seals.
>>3607793I don't think anyone likes Rushorou enough to be considered his Sakura
>>3607791One of the rear windows>>3607793It'd be once you get this route's true end, wouldn't it?
>>3607597>>3607674Supporting this write in, for now at least.
>>3607793>>3607801It will be Saber and acceptance of being a Servant.
>>3607796That's what I would like to think.God damn.This was a plot twist I was both dreading and not expecting.Very well done.We should ring up Keiseki's construction company and inquire as to his whereabouts in a non-incriminating way.If he isn't dead we know we've been fucked.
>>3607822>Implying anyone could determine the difference between Keiseki and a soulless magical replacementMan, if we had just checked on Matsuda or Kikuko back during thread one....
Oh andOption Number 6: Ayaka is just fucking with us to gauge our reaction
>>3607828Why would Akeldama be designed to make replacements? There'd be two of every other survivor once they returned.
>>3607828If wishes were horses, anon.
>>3607828>But muh dangers!Don't even think about doing it now, btw.
>>3607597Well that's not good.>>3607674Supporting, but I suggest replacing the first two sentences with "Someone once told me that a man's life depends on his information."If she still doesn't believe us, tell her she should use a command spell to force us to tell her the truth about our past. It's risky and costly, but we can't have Ayaka doubting us.>>3607828Harris was probably tracking us back then. We would only have put them in immense danger.That said, Matsuda would be the one to talk to if we want to confirm that theory. If his two boys who died at the start are still intact, then we've been had.
>>3607834That would actually make me like her even more.
>>3607666>Inb4 Caster Isn't dead at all, but lives on Inside the original Yumigawa Rushorou's body as a backup plan In case he were not the victor of the Akeldama. He bides his time, waiting for his chance to claim the true grail for himself, In secret.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>3607666>Option number 2: someone stole our identityThis is what I'm thinking, this is what I hope and will assume until it's been proven otherwise.As such.>>3607597GET FUCKING MADHow dare some imposter in our skin go around pretending to be us!How dare they think they could steal the face and life of the great Yumigawa Rushorou!Make her tell us where this scoundrel is, we need to investigate this immediately!
>>3607844I personally don't give a fuck about our old identity and I don't think Alberich really did either.
I really think we're the copy guys
Tbh, I really wanted to finally get that Yoshikage Kira introduction but I don't have sufficient personal details of Rushorou's life so as to format it properly as a response to Ayaka.
>>3607836If it's anything, it's probably a result of the silver grail enpowering usOr well, maybe copying our memories, I guess? I hope.Means we don't have to deal with an absolute madman in this war.
>>3607843Wait>Caster also has Circe and Adelhied NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Well at least they'd be alive
>>3607852No, you've definitely got enough information. One anon wrote it up in Awakening Mirror Part I or II, you can find it if you go back and look.
>>3607852Maybe Sweets could help with that?
>>3607855>one trick pony Caster summoned in a normal human body controlling Circe.Haha. No.
>>3607848That was back when we thought Yumigawa Rushorou was "dead'.If there is some fucker walking around ruining the legacy of our past life we need to put a stop to that.It's a matter of Pride damn it!
>>3607852>>3607857Or, y'know, just write it up and tell me what info you're missing.
>>3607865Hey look, there it is!
>>3607866If you're referring to my own writing of >My name is Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My former house is on the opposite side of where all the mansions are, and I am not married. I worked as the Kaichou of Kyoutenkan Academy, and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, and I’m too young to drink. I was in bed by 11 PM, and I made sure that I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually had no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who used to have a very quiet life. I now choose to trouble myself by destroying my enemies, winning great battles, and I often lose sleep at night. This is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. And, if and when I decide to fight, I couldn’t lose to anyone.I don't think it has sufficient detail of Rushorou's personal pre-Akeldama life to serve as a (admittedly memey) response to Ayaka's accusations.
>>3607859Thing Is, we don't know how the Akeldama works.We just know what he *told* us. For all we know, he could have a backup plan where even when he loses, he wins. He could very have lost his place as a servant, but then thus taken his prize as swapping himself for the winner. If the winner has to lose their mortal body to become a servant, then a noble phantasm that materializes and warps space, time, and drags souls down Into a pocket space could very well do a soul swap. Take yumigawa, put him In a servant vessel. Take Caster, put him In the empty shell of Yumigawa. Fortunately for Caster, that shell has command seals doesn't It?
>>3607873Alright, ask away. What specific info do you need?
>>3607876A "soul swap" isn't such an easy thing to accomplish. A copy of a heroic spirits soul should destroy the old Rushorou's body as it would have dreadful compatibility.Shirou can't even use Archer's arm without starting to die.If such a thing was possible, then Medea would've just gtfo out of Fuyuki.
>>3607879Was Rushorou ever frequent anonymous imageboards user?Did he ever had a waifu?Do we still remember our password and login on Saberfacebook to add Ayaka to our friend list there?
>>3607879Eating habits would be nice.
>>3607863I suppose I'd like something along the lines of >My name was Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My house was in [Insert particular regional information, not merely relative to our current surroundings], and I was not in a relationship. I was the Class President of Kyoutenkan Academy where I [insert particular details of day-to-day school life], and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, although I have drank before. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After [insert normal home rituals Rushorou partook in before sleeping]. I used to have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I used to be a person who lived a very quiet life. I had no enemies, no troubles, and no true direction. I now live an elevated existence, fundamentally altered by experiences in the Akeldama. I [Insert current motivational statement, as I'm sure you could do it far better than I ever could].
>>3607898Essentially, a perversion of Kira's description written in the past tense and focused on how Rushorou used to live.
Well, at least we've got another thing in common with Shirou.I just hope Yumigawa Two has not got any memories of the war.Especially post summoning Caster.
...Time to kill ourself?What do we do with our inferior prototype?Ayaka seemed to get very upset over us bringing up Yumigawa.Odds she's one of our/His admirers?Damn it, Rushorou, why must you be so accidentally charming?
>>3607898>Regional information: the Yoyogi neighborhood, in the northern part of Shibuya. This was mentioned when Rushorou told Matsuda his life story.>lifestyle: "where I worked to be a perfect honor student and maintain the student government correctly">Rituals: actually the warm milk and stretching was correct. If you go back and check the beginning of Fate/City Akeldama, I put it in the background.>Motivational statement: A quiet lifestyle no longer appeals to me, and I have resolved to surpass all others in the Moonlit World!
>>3607972We need to bring up that she seemed to recognize us as Yumigawa when we first met.
>>3607894Rusjorou didn't have strong preferences as to what he would or wouldn't eat. His mother only cooked Japanese food in the strict tradition, though, an he mostly ate at home, so his culinary experience is somewhat narrow.
>>3607976Ok can i support the Kirarant after the rant bring up her somehow recognising us and ask us if she has any questions that might satisfy her?Honestly she could be helpful for getting to the bottom of this.We're just as confused as she is.Maybe also ask her about the dream cycle?
>>3607674>>3607976Well then, I'd ask that you append>My name was Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My house was in the Yoyogi neighborhood, in the northern part of Shibuya, and I was not in a relationship. I was the Class President of Kyoutenkan Academy where I worked to be a perfect honor student and maintain the student government correctly, and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I didn't smoke, although I have drank before. I was in bed by 11 PM, and I made sure I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I would have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I used to be a person who lived a very quiet life. I had no enemies, no troubles, and no true direction. However, such a quiet lifestyle no longer appeals to me, and I have resolved to surpass all others in the Moonlit World!to the end of my write in, >>3607674
>>3607976I feel like that last part, while true, would put her off/harm our case.
>>3608008I think that announcing our intention to takeover the Moonlit World is a bad idea. It should be pretty obvious why.Additionally, >>3607979 is probably a good idea.
>>3608006Alright yeah, let's just scratch off the part where we go from Kira to DIO.Maybe do so in a less DIO-ish way?
>>3608006>ask us if she has any questions that might satisfy her?I still feel it would be great to add things ours and her age group was growing up with. Like favourite shows, characters, culture etc. Something a normal Servant would have no way of ever knowing because he did not consume it as audience. Kirarant is great but small things like that could work even better or greatly add on top of that.
>>3608038This could work as well.
Wait, guys if we so use a command seal, make sure the question is specific, we identify as Alberich now, we don't want to accidentally say that.
>>3608035But going from Kira to DIO is your character arc!But seriously, write whatever you want to say; I was just filling in the blanks.
>>3608086Shirou: Bastard... How many servants have you absorbed to gain this power?Alberich: Do you remember how many breads you have eaten in your life?
>>3608096>Do you remember how many bowls of rice you've cooked in your life?>ALBERIIIIIICH!
Master poast then>>3607597>"Someone once told me that a man's life depends on his information. Suppose I came out and told your brother that I was not a hero of legend who could easily see you and him through the War, but rather was a schoolboy who by iron and blood triumphed against impossible odds to get here. What then would follow? Nothing good, to be sure."*pause*Now, I figure Rushoberich's voice has changed through his various transformations, so let's go for as good of an approximation of his pre-Akeldama voice as we can for the next set of lines.>My name was Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My house was in the Yoyogi neighborhood, in the northern part of Shibuya, and I was not in a relationship. I was the Class President of Kyoutenkan Academy where I worked to be a perfect honor student and maintain the student government correctly, and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. [Insert some personal memories about being Kaichou that a basic profile of Rushorou wouldn't include]. I didn't smoke, although I have drank before. I was in bed by 11 PM, and I made sure I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. In my youth, I [insert Rushorou engaging in some trendy, time-specific activity a rando servant should have no knowledge of]. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I would have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress. I'm trying to explain that I used to be a person who lived a very quiet life. I had no enemies, no troubles, and no true direction. When we first met, you uttered my old name and recognized me somehow, did you not?
>>3608133Voice change would be fucking creepy
>>3608133Supporting.We should prrrobably also mention that the presence of Yumigawa is deeply troubling.
>>3608221Actually, you're probably right. Maybe just go for a more Rushorou way of speaking, if there is a difference.
>>3608221Perhaps. If most aren't in favor of it, it's not exactly a hill to die on for me.
>>3608133Aside from the voice change, this sounds good.After giving it some thought, I've conceived of a possible worst-case scenario for this new Yumigawa:The split didn't occur at the beginning of Akeldama as has been suggested, but at the end. Further, Judas did indeed mean that our connection would sustain our Servants in the outside world. New Yumi is also Grailed Yumi, and Circe and Adelheid are his servants. People can't tell he's different because of some form of magic cast by Circe, and he's fallen back into his routine life for now, waiting to strike. Ayaka can't sense his command spells because of how badly he fucked his Master-Servant connection. There are now two Rushorous who both know of the Tokyo Grail War, want to win it, and want to become a ruling force in the Moonlit World. They're staying outside the war, using Circe's ridiculous magic power to learn about it, monitor it, interfere as they please and snake away the prize. The final boss will be our other self, flanked by our own dear Servants.
>>3608292>The final boss will be our other self, flanked by our own dear Servants.Fuck that would hurt so much.
>>3608292No way sweets is that evil Right?
>>3608292This would be a worst case scenario, yes.I don't know if Sweets would fuck us over that hard though.I don't want to have to kill our inferior clone.
>>3608321But I will.
>>3608321Fuck the inferior clone, it's the girls I don't want to hurt.
>>3608292Sheeeeeit that'd be pretty hype though ngl.Sweets, did Yumigawa have any social media presence?
>>3608329Yeah, that's why I don't want to kill him.
>>3608331Sorry, wrong picture there.
>>3608321>Defeat Rushorou with a road roller>"This is proof that no one can surpass Alberich!">"Puny Humans! I shall rule you all!">"Bow before my knowledge and might!">>3608331I mean, literally anything. Just some kind of modern namedrop.
>>3608335>Wrong pictureWe're on to you sweets
>>3608133Rushorou didn't do trendy, time-specific things, remember? He had no personal interests. I'll mention your sewing hobby.
>>3608348So he wouldn't know what's trending even via hearsay?
>>3608354He might have, but frankly I don't know what was trendy for the generation of kids that's 18 now.
>>3608360Well, there's this cool gacha game called FGO...
>>3608348Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Wrong image eh...?Also god damn it Rushorou was boring before he started killing.I would really not enjoy facing grailed Yumi with all our memories and both our servants.
>>3608362First that doesn't work for obvious reasons.Second, I thought this was supposed to be something he did when he was a kid. FGO came out four years ago.
>>3608340>>3608367You're on to me. I keep files in alphabetic order and sometimes click on the wrong one.
>>3608360Dunno if this is how it worked for you guys but in my HS the student council ran a Twitter account that we could check for event announcements and suspensions and shit. Did he do that in any capacity?
>>3608368You could mention very popular shounen manga other boys would have talked about when he was a kid. Stuff like Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach... or just make something up.
>>3608379I wonder if Dragon Ball would give Sun Wukong an absolutely bullshit fame bonus.
>>3608385Probably not since that's Goku, not Sun Wukong. They're not as close-knit as Vlad and Dracula.
>>3608398Son Gokū is quite literally the Japanese name of Sun Wukong.
>>3608401Yes, I understand that. I still find it unlikely that Sun Wukong would be buffed by his derivatives, though.
Here's an an example: You don't see Artoria having the Holy Hand Grenade as one of her Noble Phantasms.
>>3608419This is probably a bad example, since she's essentially timelocked, but you get the idea. When you think Vlad Tepes, you buy into the stories that he drank the blood of his enemies, the stories that birthed Dracula.
>>3608362>Al borrows Ayaka's phone and immediately whales for NP5 Circe
>>3608419Well obviously.But their renown does play a part in their power regardless.
>>3608432In that case, yeah, Dragonball should help him be as strong in Japan as he would be in China, if not slightly less due to diminishing returns. When most people think Sun Wukong they think of the Monkey King, when they think Son Goku they think of a retard-strong space monkey. When you think Vlad, however, you think Dracula. That's the difference, they're still two distinct entities.
>>3608450Honestly, Sun Wukong would already be a broken as fuck Servant. His legend is ridiculous.
>>3608462Well yeah, he would be a Divine Spirit.
Now it's your turn to be shocked into speechlessness. She saw you at school on Friday? That's obviously impossible, but if so, what did she see? Has someone stolen your identity somehow? Is there some magus walking around in a replica of your body?No matter. The steely mental discipline forged by the incessant combat you've faced since awakening in Akeldama takes hold, forcing you to face the needs of the immediate future. Ayaka has to be calmed down, first and foremost. You need to prove to her that you are the person born Yumigawa Rushorou, and none other. Your mind races. No, perhaps it's better to justify your deception before moving on to the proof of your identity. It was for victory that you hid the truth, after all, and that's surely something Ayaka can sympathize with. You clear your throat, suddenly dry with suppressed anxiety."Someone once told me," you begin, "that a man's life depends upon his information. Suppose that when I was summoned, I spoke up to tell your brother that I was not a hero of legend who could easily see you and he through the War, but was rather a schoolboy who, by iron and blood, triumphed against impossible odds to get here. What then would follow? Would he have trusted me to gain victory? Nothing good would have come of it, I remain certain.""So you think you were justified in keeping secrets," Ayaka snaps. "Fine! Maybe you were; I already said I wouldn't mind if you were hiding your identity for some practical reason! But now I know you're lying, and I want to know why! What's the truth?""The truth," you begin, carefully maintaining a level, pleasant tone, "is that my name was Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My house was in the Yoyogi neighborhood, in the northern part of Shibuya, and I never experienced a 'high school romance' or 'young love'. I was the Class President of Kyoutenkan Academy, where I worked hard to keep up the reputation a perfect honor student and spent my spare time devoted to maintaining the student government correctly. I got home every day around eight, since I stayed after classes to complete my duties as president. Arriving home that early was often difficult at the beginning of the year, when we had to process budget applications. I always had to pay very close attention to the secretary at those times, because she didn't have a strong work ethic; but maintaining a schedule was important to me." Casting your mind back to those times, you lean back in your chair and look skyward, tapping your right index finger on the table as you think. Your nail, slightly longer than the finger and filed into a soft edge, clicks rhythmically against the varnish.
"I didn't smoke, and never tried it, although I have taken a drink before," you continue. "As for my home life, I was in bed by eleven every night, and I made sure I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I would have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress." You smile thinly. "It's not a habit that has followed me to the present day, as you know.""Just like fatigue and stress, excitement was something absent from my life," you continue. "When I was younger, I tried sewing as a hobby, since my mother enjoyed it, but soon found that it gave me no pleasure. Equally boring were the comics that other boys were fond of. One Piece, and so on. I'm trying to explain that I used to be a person who lived a very quiet life. I had no enemies, no troubles, and no interests."Meeting Ayaka's eyes once again, you point to your temple with your left hand. "That was the life of Yumigawa Rushorou, seen from the inside," you say. "There's one more detail, if you're still not satisfied of my identity. When we first met-"Finally your speech is put to an end, as Ayaka cuts you off. "No! I won't hear another lie from you," she shouts. "By my command, Servant Saber, tell me the truth about your identity!"A command spell flares into red light on her outstretched hand, then disappears, and you feel yourself bound by its power. After all that, you couldn't convince her! You curse mentally, and try to speak, to protest, but the muscles of your face are suddenly beyond your control. Your mouth opens without your intent, and a voice not your own issues from your throat. It's a voice you recognize, however: the voice of Jean-Pierre Vaisset's first servant, Judas Iscariot, better known to you as Cid Ajisartous."Ah, the truth," Judas says with a smooth, satisfied voice. "The realtruth! It is difficult to lay hands on, is it not? The first point of truth, if you must know, is that this young man hasn't lied to you, as far as he is aware. Our poor Saber believes everything he just told you, and everything but the matter of his true name really was accurate. The Akeldama, my little mockup of a Grail War, and of course his transformation from Master into Servant. It all happened. The only thing he lied to you about, and unknowingly at that, was his past life before I summoned him." "Which brings us to the second point of truth," Judas declares, and pauses for dramatic effect. "You see, the real Yumigawa Rushorou was never summoned, and this young man never existed before the Akeldama.""Who are you?" Ayaka demands, "and why do you know about this if he doesn't?"
"A memory, if you will, or perhaps a ghost," the voice of Judas answers from your mouth, "I am the core of the heroic spirit your honored brother first summoned, now a significant part of the spirit of this new Saber. I must admit, I had expected to be explaining matters to him in more of a private conference. Saber ought to have found me by careful introspection and examination of his own spirit; but it seems events did not take that course, and those command spells of yours truly are potent things.""If he didn't exist before appearing in your Noble Phantasm," Ayaka says with disbelief, "Are you saying you created Saber-san somehow? Why? Did you want him to defeat you?""Oh, it's not so complicated," Judas answers with a chuckle. "I am a 'man who facilitated heroism'. That was my role in life; to create the apotheosis of another hero, and elevate him to the height of his legend. With such a purpose ingrained in me, I could hardly fight in a straightforward manner. It was only natural for me to take up the same divinely ordained role as a heroic spirit that I did as a living man, and create a new hero. That was hardly a simple matter, however." Judas pauses for a few moments, picking his words."Even while I lived," he explains, "the heroic capacity of men was declining steadily; but by acting out a legend, we were able to create from the stuff of mankind a hero for the age, and slow the decline rather well. With modern humans, however, I had to take a far more radical course. Sacrificing one man to humanity couldn't manage the task of making of him into a hero fit for the Age of Gods, as it once had. A thousand sacrifices were necessary, and to receive them I needed a spirit created out of whole cloth for the purpose. Of course, he had to do it by his own will. A thoughtless puppet could never be a hero, so I gave him a background; memories from which to build a personality and find his own goals.""Of course, the process wasn't without a hitch or two," Judas says with a dark chuckle. "Now that Saber is back in the world, that connection he has is creating some rather dangerous resonance. Nothing you two shouldn't be able to handle, though."Ayaka slumps bonelessly back into her chair, no longer able to muster up a reply to the successive revelations. Judas laughs again and louder, saying, "You ought to be rejoicing, girl, not falling into despair! Just think of it! In this modern age, bereft of heroes, you have before you a living, breathing, man of legend. A true modern hero, endowed with divine favor!" "Ah, well," he continues in a contemplative tone, "I suppose there were also many who lamented at the last event I facilitated. You simply never understand how these things help you until later. In any case, I've said all I need to. Goodbye to the both of you, until you have need of me again."
>>3608500OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON FUCKING JUDAS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
With that, the presence controlling your voice fades, and you find yourself able to speak once more. Nonetheless, you find yourself as dumbfounded as Ayaka. Your memories were fake? Your past belonged to someone else? Were you always a conceptual being, then?>[ ] You need to think this through alone. Get up and walk away. (Pride)>[ ] Just sit there, trying to process. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3608292God damn! That's not the truth, but you definitely know how I think! It's almost unnerving.
>>3608507>>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)Well that's a fun way to find out you don't actually exist at all.
>>3608507>>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)This whole situation is deeply disturbing>>3608511But at least we're not fighting the "real" us that also has Circe and Hitler-chan on his side.
>>3608507This changes nothing. We've long since accepted our identity. Maybe Yumigawa Rushurou would have been disturbed by this, but we are Alberich - the man we are meant to be.
>>3608505>You ought to be rejoicing, girl,Yorokobe Shoujo.Wow, I feel bad for Rushorou.Like, god damn, that's a hell of a revelation to drop on us right there.So, we really were the exception?I guess the clues were all there.Everyone else seemed to have the clothes they were previously wearing before appearing in Akeldama and we had been changed.Not a single other master choosing to take power for themselves.Being indistinguishable from a truly artificial lifeform to one as knowledgeable as a grail vessel.Never feeling satisfied with life until we started doing dangerous heroic things.Damn it allllllllllll!
>>3608557Oh hey, being created with the intent to become a Hero means that we've got a truly massive parallel with Arturia now.
>>3608507>>[ ] You need to think this through alone. Get up and walk away. (Pride)I would rather not apologize for her taking our agency away.>>3608539I'm more disturbed by the thought that this may be a situation where we win the war and Judas pops up to make his wish through us.
>>3608507>[ ] You need to think this through alone. Get up and walk away. (Pride)Brood on the roof, or a park bench maybe
>>3608507>[ ] You need to think this through alone. Get up and walk away. (Pride)
>>3608507>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)Damn, what a fuckin trip.>>3608505Okay, so Judas qualifies because he was in on the whole 'plot to sell out his homeboy big J so he could die and become a Divine Spirit'?
...Are we Jesus 2.
>>3608580Nah, just a hero. Jesus only needed his own death after all.
>>3608586Yeah, we just needed the Deaths of a 1000 others including 7 Servants.We're more like the god damn Anti-Christ.
I must say however that these two back to back plot twists have been fucking masterful.Excellent job, Sweets.While a few people might have been thinking that another Rushorou could exist, I don't think anyone was expecting Alberich to not really exist.God damn.I feel like I've been Kubo'd.
.... heh, there's a timeline where Judas's artificial hero died within minutes of being created
>>3608600Hahaha holy shit.
>>3608567>I'm more disturbed by the thought that this may be a situation where we win the war and Judas pops up to make his wish through us.Yeah.So what if our past is false? The experiences we experienced in the Akeldama were very real and made us who we are today.The REAL problem is that bastard Judas is inside us doing who knows what for who knows why.That is unacceptable!
>>3608505>"Of course, the process wasn't without a hitch or two," Judas says with a dark chuckle. "Now that Saber is back in the world, that connection he has is creating some rather dangerous resonance. Nothing you two shouldn't be able to handle, though."*Nervous laughter*
>>3608610He was literally just compelled by command spell to tell the exact truth.Those right there were his motivations.
>>3608616I mean, would Real Rushorou (FUCKING DAMN IT THAT SOMEHOW HURTS TO SAY) even be a threat even if our servants were somehow linked to him?I can't see him being able to maintain both of them at once and Adelheid wouldn't follow him after the talk about "we are no longer who we once were" and neither would Circe for the fact that he can't eat the Kykeon and that he's not actually the fledgling Hero Yumigawa she knows.
Is Judas the shadow that true saber was so pissed about?
>>3608617He was compelled to speak the truth about Alberich's and maybe his own identity. That does in no way compel him to speak the truth about his intentions or capabilities.Hell creating a hero to win the war then betraying him wouldn't be strange for Judas.
>>3608638That would be our cape, anon.You know, the one that looks like the fucking Shadow that warped her in the last war.
>>3608640I think he was pretty clear about his intentions regardless.>a thoughtless puppet could never be a heroBased Judas inadvertently BTFO's Sieg....So that Sieg edit from way back, eh?
>>3608653post the comparison
>>3608653What, this one?
>>3608653And he could have lied about them. Just because some of what he said is the truth compelled by the command seal doesn't mean everything is.I mean it might just be me, but I'm a bit leery about trusting the word of a hero famous for betrayal or that a command from Ayaka who didn't even know about him is somehow perfectly worded to force him to reveal his complete plans without him finding a loophole or giving out a carefully worded truth that is misleading.
>>3608667Let me just fix that real quick.
>>3608670Eh, it's up to you to thank that, but what are you gonna do about him?We're kind of stuck with the asshole.And now we know why Tiamat wouldn't kill us.
Based Blackbeard, murdering all those people and Assassin to empower us. What a guy, that Teach!
>>3608675>Some Empathy Shout out to Compassion fags34 points and rising every day
>>3608684>thank thatthink.think that.God damn it.>>3608685Little did everyone in Akeldama know, they were all a part of our master plan, that we ourselves didn't know of and we were in fact being played even more than everyone else.
>>3608634Real Rush wasn't even a magus iirc (but there's no way to know how much of the actual person's backstory we took and wasn't just bullshitted by Judas so fuuuuug). Maybe he just got hit by the bad luck and called in sick that one day.>>3608635That might be the linked to gods thing. We're still too smalltime for Counter Guardians to notice.
WELL I GUESS NOW WE KNOW WHY WE'VE SOMEHOW ALWAYS HAD SUPERHUMAN LUCK!FUCK.
>>3608507>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)God fucking dammit. As if a fake Grail War wasn't bad enough, he went and made fake participants to boot.Also>"I am a 'man who facilitated heroism'">creates dangerous murderer with dubious-at-best concern for othersI guess he means "hero" in the classical sense of "person who does impressive things" rather than the modern notion. Kinda funny considering the other hero he made was literal Jesus.In other news, we've just discovered the strangest reversal of all.We all thought Rushorou was the predator, but all the girls have been after a guy who isn't even two weeks old!In all seriousness, this revelation might make us reconsider our plans. Judas is living inside of us, and if we want to figure out exactly what that means, we may need to spend a lot of time with the Einzberns instead of the Emiyas.There's also the question of Rushorou's absence. While he's not us, his record was perfect, so whatever happened must have been significant and is almost certainly connected to either Akeldama or the "resonance" Judas mentioned. We should investigate, if possible.>>3608511I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!
>>3608684>Eh, it's up to you to thank that, but what are you gonna do about him?Find more out about our situation? Meditate, consult books and if we get a chance magi about our nature and how the part of Judas fits into our being. Find out if him fucking us over is a legitimate concern and if so make plans to mitigate the threat.
>>3608715>There's also the question of Rushorou's absence. While he's not us, his record was perfect, so whatever happened must have been significant and is almost certainly connected to either Akeldama or the "resonance" Judas mentioned. We should investigate, if possible.ONLY ONE CAN SURVIVEIt's like that old cliche where if you meet an alternate version if yourselves and touch you blow up the universe or something... Actually that's weirdly specific but I can't remember where I heard of it. Pretty sure it was a tv show or a book or something...
>>3608715>fake participantsI'll have you know that he only made one fake participantAlso, his grail war was actually a fucking successIt accomplished everything it set out to do.I think we should all take a moment to congratulate Judas.To be fair, most "Heroes" are dangerous murderers.Cu Chulainn is a rapist who killed his best friend and his own son.Alberich might just mellow out a bit as he gets older, too.He's already starting to understand the importance of compassion.
>>3608741Actually, now that I think about it, the only Servants summoned in the 5th War that didn't kill any of their relatives are EMIYA and the two Assassins.
>>3608741Huh, he specifies that a thousand sacrifices were necessary. Hope this doesn't mean what I think it does for the Akeldama crew.
>>3608748Should be fine, he summoned 1050 people, remember?
>>3608748He summoned 1,050 people, though.
>>3608715Every era requires its own kind of hero, ID. Jesus was the hero needed by the world of Tiberius.
>>3608750>>36087511050mindthanks for the reminder though
>>3608715Hey, Alberich is a great hero for the modern period. Vain, prideful, mildly sadistic, tempered ever-so-much by a flexible sense of morality.... he's even a great admirer of Germany!
>>3608773Given time I'm sure he can become an excellent hero.He's only two weeks old, after all.I wonder how the Shirou crew would react if they knew our true backstory.
>>3608799Alberich is a hero in the sense that Gilgamesh is the King of Heroes. If anything, you need to focus on Pride and dial back the Compassion votes.
Wait, was Judas actually supposed to die after using his NP and he was lying about empowering himself? Or was it simply just another win condition for him?
>>3608806Blessed Sweets, always on the right side of history. Death to compassionfags!
>>3608806But Kid Gil is nice...
>>3608799Sadness all around the Emiya household>>3608806Speaking of Gil, how many points of Pride would we need in order to surpass the man himself?
>>3608839>how many points of Pride would we need in order to surpass the man himself?Bout treefiddy.
>>3608799>I wonder how the Shirou crew would react if they knew our true backstory.Shirou would be Shirou, Sakura would feel a little worse for us, due to basically being robbed of our childhood, and Medusa would probably be less of an ass. Probably.
>>3608839It is a kind of soul crushing story isn't it?"I thought I was a mostly apathetic high school student who only truly started feeling emotions when I engaged in the thrill of danger, my servants Caster and Berserker, the two people I hold dearest to me vanished when I thought I had foiled the plan of the organiser, only for me to have been his true plan the entire time. The truth is, my memories up until two weeks ago were all belonging to somebody else, I was created at the start of Akeldama with them. In a way, I suppose you could say I'm only two weeks old.Regardless, I was created for the sole purpose of winning this false war and becoming a Hero."Or something.
>>3608839Around 200, I think.
>>3608859Look at it this way. You've really got your whole life ahead of you.
Good news however is we can now empathise with Lily, as we are both artificial lifeforms with memories belonging to other people and were both created specifically for a grail war.
>>3608846I would hope Medusa would stop being mean if she knew the truth.
>>3608598https://youtu.be/jSoPeZMHMf4I'm glad you enjoyed it. Lord knows I've had a ton of fun writing the last couple of updates!
>>3608893Question is, should we tell them?
>>3608927We already told them half of the true story. Now we can inform them that our personal suffering is fairly high. Hell, we could probably even excuse killing the enemy masters, deep down that's what we were designed to do.Aah, blameless murder, is this what being Sakura feels like?
>>3608946>Wahh feel bad for me.Hell no. That's weak-minded shit.Maybe our existence is different than we thought. So what? We don't miss our boring ass backstory at all anyway, this changes nothing for Alberich. We're now even more free from the limitations of humanity.
>>3608946Nah not really>>3608996To be fair to Sakura she had been getting raped by Crest Worms, Shinji and Zouken since age. What? Five?
This revelation is just.God damn. I still can't get over it.Man I just want to hear what Ayaka has to say.
>>3608996>we don't miss our boring ass backstory Anon, Alberich has literally just been told that his entire existence is basically a lie.That's some heavy stuff.There's just no way he possibly reacts with "haha I don't care."
Take a look at your emotional stats if you want to see how this revelation immediately impacts Alberich.
>>3609054>10 MFTHE LETTERS SWEETS WHAT DO THEY MEAN
>>3609064major focus, just like before
>>3608755I'm deeply concerned about what kind of hero Judas decides the world needs today. Based on what he's said here, it sounds like he's in the Gilgamesh camp of "humanity really needs to shape up and I'm going to use vast magic powers to force it" (which would explain why he's created a prideful, remorseless killing machine).>>3608907This reminds me - does AM have an OP yet?>>3608996>this changes nothing for AlberichAre you kidding? Alberich just went from a self-discovering, self-made, conquering warrior to a stuffed toy Judas is putting together at the Build-A-Hero Workshop. This should be an utterly soul-crushing revelation for him.>>3609054>Compassion gets dicked onBack to the grindstone, fellow Compassionfags.>Pride takes no damageI'm actually really surprised by this. Are you sure Alberich is going to need to get a Pride rollover before he reaches Gil-tier?
>>3609070As far as we know Judas didn't manipulate events to make us successful in Akeldama. Our achievements are still our own. It's just that we're basically Judas' son now.
>>3609066>>3609069Ah, right then
>>3609079>Judas' sonWe are the Son of the Gods, Judas was just doing his part.
>>3609079Judas basically went "keikaku doori", anon. That alone should throw a shadow of doubt over all our past actions.
>>3609094Well, over all past events in Akeldama.
>>3609089he was the midwife, you could saythe midwife of the gods
>>3609094tfw we have been a pawn for 70 percent of our life.
>>3608507A mix of>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)and[ ] You need to think this through alone. Get up and walk away. (Pride)Fuck.
>>3609134And we've been alive only two weeks.>>3609146This works well
>>3609151Being Alberich is suffering.
>>3609079>As far as we know Judas didn't manipulate events to make us successful in Akeldama.No, but he DID manufacture adversity for us. He got Rider back up and running when he was set to die, and he tried to convince Ambrose to give Berserker to a more willing Master. The achievements we have were all set up by him in order to mold us into the hero he wants us to be. And we didn't even really want to do it - he was the one who built us with a drive to overcome the obstacles he created. We're like a miserable bootleg Shirou who got adopted not by Kiritsugu but by the world's most notorious traitor.>>3609134>70 percentThat's a pretty generous estimation. Take another look at his speech.>I could hardly fight in a straightforward manner. It was only natural for me to take up the same divinely ordained role as a heroic spirit that I did as a living man, and create a new hero.Even now, simply by fighting the war in the role we've been given, we're playing into his hands, because he WANTED us to win Akeldama and fight the war in his place.
>>3609146This could work.
You know what, fuck it lets team up with Shirou to stop this war. If we do win and become a hero we would fall into Judas's plans. What better way to fuck up that than to just disappear after destroying the grail.Fuck you Judas.
>>3609162That's the thing, I think this interpretation (and other less popular biblical interpretations) of Judas showed him as Jesus' most trusted disciple, who did as he was told to arrange Jesus' sacrifice for the greater good.
>>3609176I'm still under the impression that we'll cease to exist or return to the grail once the grail war is over unless we win.
>>3609162It's manufactured adversity, but Alberich's victory is still genuine. Any of the 1050 (barring, say, Ogawara or somesuch) had a real chance at victory- we simply were better. If a triathelete's son wins a triathalon set up by him, does that negate the son's victory? I would argue not. Now, a small pride hit from the perspective of "I played into the hand of this shit-man who I hate, AND he's at least a small part of me" I could get.
>>3609162Poor Alberich, the more I think about it the worse the implications get.Remember when he tried to put a stop to things by claiming the organiser had rigged things?He was forced into this. He was even originally willing to forgive Archer and form an alliance to deal with a dangerous servant.
>>3609176>Let's lose and diebecause we hate daddyI shiggy diggy anon
>>3609177That was the gnostic interpretation, yes.They even wrote a gospel for it.
>>3609187Exactly, if we win we become a hero and Judas's plan came to fruition. If we destroy the grail we cease to exist and Judas's plan failed. Well that is how I am seeing it.
>>3609070>self-discovering, self-madeAlberich acknowledged earlier in the thread that his magecraft was the first thing he'd truly accomplished on his own
>>3609176>>3609200>t. sweets trying to sow discord among usI SEE YOU, ENEMY
>>3609200Suicidal sacrifice goes against everything Alberich has stood for. We will continue to exist, and on our own terms. We will become the master of our own destiny, despite our origins.
>>3609193We are in our rebellious phase of our life.
>>3609206>Implying sweets would be that disingenuousPut some respect on my QM's name
>>3609200>if you kill yourself, you win????????May as well just seppuku now then, lmao.
>>3609213Sounds like a funny Tiger Dojo.
>>3609209So if anything should we become an Anti-hero?
>>3609221No?Why would we?
My only concern is somehow excising this "ghost" of Judas at Alberich's core. Forget the legitimacy of Alberich's character and victories for the moment, we have a chunk of the betrayer in our soulstuff!
>>3609221Not specifically where I was going with that at all. I just think that Alberich will have an even greater hunger for self-determination after this. Ideally we could excise the Judas from our being but who knows the ramifications of that
>>3609070>This reminds me - does AM have an OP yet?It does not, and we very much need one!>I'm actually really surprised by this.Actually, my first thought was +5 to Pride, but I changed my mind. You did just discover you were the chosen one, after all.>>3609176Oh my god, you're the worst.>>3609188>It's manufactured adversity, but Alberich's victory is still genuine.Thank you.
>>3609232We can work on that later.I for one think being able to converse mentally with Judas could only be beneficial.
>>3609232>exciseNice word choiceThe only issue I have with Judas is that he might have some influence over us while he's a part of us. I don't think he's inherently against our own interests.
>>3609212>implying sweets is not even more disingenuous and crafty than we or he could ever realizeHow soon they forget that time we all realized how short Circe was and thought Sweets was a rusemaster. He's an instrument of chaos, the devil's kazoo
>>3609177That's not really my point. Even with that interpretation, it doesn't make Alberich's situation any more "his". I'm trying to say that the realization that his entire existence and growth as a hero is just the keikaku of the one guy he hates the most should have a pretty serious effect on him.>>3609188This is more or less what I'm going for. From Alberich's perspective, this revelation should hurt.>>3609203The first power he'd gained on his own, sure, but I think you'd struggle to argue that Alberich wouldn't want credit for navigating the Akeldama Grail War. This revelation casts that into doubt.>>3609200Now that's just dumb.>>3609241>You did just discover you were the chosen one, after all.That's one interpretation, certainly. I suppose I just see it differently.
>>3608505>>3608500>>3608495I would like to say while the idea of us being the copy and not the real thing crossed my mind, I was hoping It wouldn't be the case because I didn't want to have to deal with that can of worms.Now that I'm back and I've read this I must say, good job. This Is a horrible outcome, but If anything, how liberating Is this now to know the truth? The reason we couldn't choose Yumigawa Rushorou as our true name was because fundamentally, we weren't. We were just a mirror image, hence the name of the quest.>>3608539As disturbing as this Is, I agree. Our memories having been fake does not change what they have made us, or the choices we have made. We are still the Yumigawa Rushurou we have always known, and If the copy of Rushurou was Indeed an accurate one It could be said the real thing may have evolved as we did put In our shoes, and thus the only thing that separates us Is mere circumstance.>>3608565Ugh.
>>3609232>>3609246Now who in Tokyo could perform Spiritual Surgery, or would know someone who could...?
>>3609265It seems like Judas' essence might be the only thing that makes us count as a servant, I'm not sure we'd have the energy supply needed to survive without it. That's mostly conjecture though.
>>3609262>Ugh.Can't you feel it anon?The good ol WE'RE NOT SO DIFFERENT, YOU AND I. Is ready to be fired at Saber.
>>3609265>tfw Kirei has been dead for 15 years and can't help us remove Judas solely to see how much pain we suffer and cause as a result
>>3609261I've honestly never seen this pure hatred toward Judas coming from Alberich himself, just in a few player's comments. Yes, he tricked us, but he also gave us not only existence but purpose and power as well.
>>3609261It does hurt. The loss of duty and compassion, combined with the large boost to sadism and battle-lust is one way of conveying that Alberich is furious right now. He's being forced to reconsider what he thought was important as a "human," and that gives his crueler instincts more sway.Why hasn't pride taken a hit? It's because Alberich has never felt more distant from humanity than he does now. He was born better, designed to consume their sacrifices and be empowered by battle. None of this takes away from the value of his own achievements in the Akeldama. What it strips away is a part of the bond he felt towards beings who have, for almost his entire life, constantly been his inferiors. Think about how many living humans Alberich has actually treated as equals during his life, particularly in Akeldama. Without his conception of them as equals from his former life, a lot of Alberich's ties to humanity crumble.
>>3609262>We were just a mirror image, hence the name of the quest.YES! Thank you for picking up on that!
>>3609290Oh god oh fuck.Alberich please.
>>3608507>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you, then Get up and walk away. (Compassion/Pride)
>>3609282Could the current Father remove Judas?
>>3609290So rather than rejecting his humanity, Alberich has had his humanity rejected for him? Neat!
>>3609290That's exactly my interpretation
>>3609306Fuck Judas!Not for any of the mentioned reasons.But for giving us the memories of somebody who can't cook.
>>3609293Your welcome. Thank you for plot twists and existential suffering. I genuinely enjoy It.>>3609290That's concerning. And Interesting. I guess rejecting our humanity wasn't so much of a joke after all then, potentially. Good.
>>3609310He never had any humanity.It was all an illusion.
>>3609319Hey, he could have made us with the memories of fucking Keiseki.
>>3609329That was an option, yes.
>>3609329He could've given us the memories of an actual magus.
>>3609333But he instead chose Rushorou.Daaamn youuuuu Judaaaaaasssss
>>3609290That makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation.>>3609306He probably could, but I doubt he'd do it in the way we want if he does it at all. We'd have to explain our situation to him, and then he'd have to decide based on that. He could help us by removing Judas and sending us on our way, he could cut out Judas and kill us because Caster is supposed to be the Shijou Servant, he could have us both destroyed because he decides Akeldama is too fuckity, or he could refuse treatment entirely because it's the effect of the NP and he shouldn't interfere.>>3609329Then we'd REALLY need to cut out Judas, come hell or high water.>>3609333If he did that, he'd run the risk of us figuring out what was going on before he was ready for us to and rejecting our intended role. I don't blame him for that one.
>>3609281But I don't want to reconcile that we might be like the king of knights, I want to crush her beneath our heel and spit on her corpse, as we laugh at her misery for making a fool of us.Unlikely as that Is to come to pass.
>>3609335You chose Rushorou. The players. Don't forget it!
>>3609329>he could've made us with memories of fucking Circe
>>3609336So I take it you weren't asking about the OP because you had a suggestion in mind?
>>3609340Poor Arturia.She doesn't deserve that.
>>3609342Hey, I love Rushorou. Of all the options available, in retrospect I feel he gave us the most nuance and the most interesting slate to work with. I feel safe in my vote from all that time ago.
>>3609349If she stands against the one, the only one, the god of kingdom come, she deserves it
>>3609350I think I would've enjoyed writing the otaku Fate quest with Ogawara as the star, but it definitely would've had a very different tone.
>>3609342I wasn't complaining Rushorou was great!The absolute master of coffee.
>>3609348Not at the moment, I just didn't know if we had one yet or if I should start up the search again.
>>3609355Well we'll see what happens with her.This revelation has taken some of the wind out of my sails in regards to the HMS KILLARTURIA
I'm putting out the notice to all of you folks: at this moving juncture in the story, I'm still looking for an OP! Give me your suggestions!
>>3609375You mean like weeb music?
>>3609375Not sure if this were to fit, but I personally can hear this at the start of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTB5r8nUHU
>>3609378Well, it is a weeb quest based on Fate.That said, I ended up using Gimme the Prize, by Queen, as the OP for Fate/City Akeldama, so it's not a hard-and-fast rule.
>>3609349From who's perspective?Not from Alberich's, that's for sure.>>3609375I'll look for something.
>>3609375In light of recent developments, I offer this pair:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkdrrxR96d8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9YFgsQ-gU
>>3608507>[ ] Apologize to Ayaka for making her go through this situation with you. (Compassion)Well, that was fun.
>>3609375Still trying to find something in Japanese, but it's hard as an EOPGot these for now though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGA-xcL958https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgGLB-NAiG8
>>3609340>reconcileWho said anything about reconciliation? I want to piss her off even more.Not as much as I want to keep this a secret, though.
Oh man I am just imagining talking to saber going >"Hey Other Saber, do you know how it feels to find out that most of your life was dictated and planned by some asshole Magus who wanted you to become a hero for the current age?"
With the power that held you upright and compelled you to dramatically narrate your own origins gone, you slump into your own chair, mirroring Ayaka across the table from you. Against your better judgment, you let out a dry, mirthless chuckle."It seems I'm not what either of us supposed me to be," you say wryly. "I'm neither the genuine Yumigawa Rushorou nor a liar, but an impostor deceived into my act. What a farce it is! To think I've spent my time this way, thinking I was that student; believing I'd lived those years of drudgery! I truly thought I had become something other than myself. That I had to change, to put my old nature as a modern human behind me and surpass it, when all along that nature was false; no more than an illusion! I-" You cut yourself off sharply. If you leave your tongue free, you'll soon be raving, it seems. "I'm sorry, Miss Ayaka," you say with half-honest contrition. "The melodrama of my identity should be no concern of yours, particularly after the death of your brother. I don't mean to burden you with my emotions.""It's alright, Saber-san," Ayaka responds listlessly. "This was out of your control too. I can see that you were just trying to be honest with me about who you really were, now that you felt like it wouldn't be a problem. What happened after that was..." she gropes for a word. "Something out of our control, I guess. Who would think a Servant could do something like that? Making a new spirit, and sacrificing all those people to turn you into a Servant. Nii-san, maybe.""I doubt your brother knew the extent of Caster's power," you say. "Though I told him only a small amount about the Akeldama, it was enough to show me that he knew nothing on the subject. Caster probably told him no more than that it was a powerful supportive Noble Phantasm, to be activated well in advance."Ayaka doesn't respond to your assertion, and an awkward silence settles over the two of you for several seconds. Finally you break it, saying, "At any rate, there are no more secrets between the two of us. If you do not find what Caster told you about my true nature too repellent, I hope we can continue to fight together.""You mean, you're not angry at me? For doubting you, and for wasting a command spell like that?" Ayaka sounds honestly perplexed by the fact of your positivity."Your actions were justified in the moment," you say. "Even if your doubt was proven wrong in the end, I can't hold a grudge over such a thing.""I see", she says. "That's nice of you, Saber-san. Or, should I call you Yumigawa-senpai now?""No, that person isn't me," you reply softly. "You can go on calling me Saber-san as you have, Miss Ayaka. Or, if you'd prefer to use a name, call me Alberich. That's the True Name I have as a Servant.""I see. Well then, I'll keep calling you Saber-san."
There's another long pause before either of you speaks. Then a look of resolution passes over Ayaka's face, and just as you think she's about to make some decision regarding your identity she changes the subject. "Saber-san, why are you fighting in the Holy Grail War?" The question takes you by surprise, and at first you can only echo, "Why am I fighting?""Yeah." Ayaka nods in emphasis. "I mean, I don't have a wish for the Holy Grail, but I still have reasons to fight. For one, I'm afraid of being killed if I don't fight to defend myself. Then there's my family. Mom didn't talk much about it, but I know from her journals that the Holy Grail War meant the world to her; even if he didn't think much of the wish, Nii-san was willing to fight and die for it, too. I feel like it's my duty as a Shijou to win the Holy Grail War. But what about you, Saber-san? Nii-san said Servants could be summoned from the Throne of Heroes because they had a wish they wanted the Holy Grail to grant for them, but you weren't summoned that way. Do you have a wish for the Grail?">[ ] "If I am a living hero, as Caster said, it is only natural for me to continue proving myself in battle against Heroic Spirits of ages past; regardless of the wish provided by the Holy Grail." (Pride)>[ ] "I only want to continue living. Unless we obtain the Holy Grail, I will fade into nonexistence after the War ends and it ceases to support my manifestation as a Servant." (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Some other reason. (Write in)
>>3609742>[ ] "I only want to continue living. Unless we obtain the Holy Grail, I will fade into nonexistence after the War ends and it ceases to support my manifestation as a Servant." (Self-Preservation)Also, this>>3609773Closure. A good goal, so we can look fully to the future.
>>3609773Although just to confirm, you know we are the Yumigawa who connected with Circe and Adelhied In the Akeldama. The way you wrote that makes It seem as If you think we are a copy of the Yumigawa who went through the Akeldama, when we're just a copy of Real World Rushorou that was thrust Into the akeldama. The real Rushorou supposedly has no knowledge of any of this, unless I've greatly misinterpreted things.
>>3609773Original Yumi never entered the Akeldama, we're already far beyond him.
>>3609787Huh.>"I'm neither the genuine Yumigawa Rushorou nor a liar, but an impostor deceived into my act."confused me. I thought Alberich was a copy of Akeldama Rushorou.Then I'll rewrite it. Give me a minute...
>[ ]"Even if I'm a copy of Yumigawa Rushorou, the memories I made in Akeldama and the people I met are my own; the fake has already surpassed the original. I want to find my friends and live my own life with them as Alberich."Better?
>>3609738Just for the record, I'm kind of disappointed she calling us Yumigawa-senpai.>>3609811That's good, I'll support this too. Although I still would like to meet the original Yumigawa Rushorou, just for curiosities sake. I'd like to see If Alberich see's him as someone enjoyable, little more than a bug with his old face, or someone he utterly despises and kills with his bare hands. It's just something I'd like to see, to know for ourselves. It'd be a hell of a thing wouldn't It, to meet kill a man with your face?
>>3609818She still calls us "Saber-san".>"I see. Well then, I'll keep calling you Saber-san."
>>3609820Typo. I meant to say "I'm kind of disappointed she's not calling us Yumigawa-senpai."
>>3609742>[ ] "If I am a living hero, as Caster said, it is only natural for me to continue proving myself in battle against Heroic Spirits of ages past.">[ ] "But, if there is a way to recover what I rightfully earned in that false grail war. To secure the lives of the allies I fought to protect as well as my own; a wish towards that end would be ideal."
So do we tell anyone else?The Emiyas would be saddened by our true story and possibly more willing to help.I suppose if we properly befriend Lily, we could eventually tell her too. And though unlikely, if we ever get into a situation where we are talking with Saber, we could tell her for a laugh. (Especially if Shirou tells us who she is upon her being described.) She might even stop bullying us and treat us with some respect in our next fight.My urge to protect homonculi has increased after discovering the true nature of Alberich.
>>3609742>[ ] "I only want to continue living. Unless we obtain the Holy Grail, I will fade into nonexistence after the War ends and it ceases to support my manifestation as a Servant." (Self-Preservation)Not just to continue living, but to begin living a life that is my own.
>>3609935I'll switch to supporting this.So now we know the truth of our existence. Alberich is living evidence of a fake copy surpassing the original and a true modern hero.Be our friend, Shirou.Tell your bullshit ex-servant to cool the fuck off, too.
>>3609742>[ ] "I am the master of my own destiny, and I feel it is only natural for me to continue proving myself in battle against Heroic Spirits of ages past; regardless of the wish provided by the Holy Grail." (Pride)>Self Preservation votes what is this madness?
>>3609952It's a major focus now.There's nothing wrong with wanting to live.
>>3609957It has always been one. And while there's nothing wrong, there's nothing particularily invigorating or right about it either.
>>3609960I think it's slightly more noble than just deciding our existence is for fighting ghosts of the past. Really I'd like to bring up wanting to see our friends/allies again. Maybe Truvi would calm down knowing our true backstory. Ogawara, Matsuda and Kikuko would also be nice to meet againBut I think what Alberich really wants are his Servants back.
Seems we have a tie once again.
>>3610028Nah, the two options are totally the same, we both want to live a normalour own life on our own terms
>>3610028What's the vote count? Self Preservation seems to be the majority.
>>3610039I've got 2 Pride, 2 SP and one custom that I'm thinking is Compassion.
>>3609952I want to Alberich to achieve something with his life, and earn his freedom to live that life. If we've never had a life before this war, then I'd like to earn one, let him live his own life. Pride seems too much like this war Is our purpose, when that feels very short-sighted. We can prove ourselves superior to heroes of the past, to be certain, but I want a goal for the future. I'd like to earn the freedom to be the master of our own fate.The only question Is who we should share our freedom with, and what we should do with It.
>>3609818>Just for the record, I'm kind of disappointed she calling us Yumigawa-senpai.Why's that, anon?
>>3609742>[ ] "I only want to continue living. Unless we obtain the Holy Grail, I will fade into nonexistence after the War ends and it ceases to support my manifestation as a Servant." (Self-Preservation)I`ll go with this one but we should try to contact Judas later on to ask about Circe and Adelheid. He is the best lead we have on their fate.And speaking of Adelheid. It is kind of funny how this development mirrors our talk with her about idenity expect this time tables are turned and we are Servant with a bit of identity crisis in mind.
>>3610047That sounds more like a custom option. The SP choice is more "I'm fighting to survive now because there's an immediate danger, without much thought to the future after that."
>>3610049Because, I thought It would be cute.
>>3610046I see 3 self preservation, 2 pride and 1 custom
>>3610053Alright.Would the Self-Preservation guys be willing to tie In with this line of thought?>>3610047Because I want Alberich to have a goal to look towards, not just blindly cling to life.
>>3610046>>3609780Self-Preservation>>3609811Mine, Compassion. Supported by >>3609818>>3609862Pride+Compassion>>3609935Self-Preservation+Compassion(?), supported by>>3609944>>3609952PrideThe total is:>Pride: 2>Self-Preservation: 3>Conpassion: 5 if I'm counting right
You see, this is why there are no heroes left in man. There are none who value courage over life...