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>I got non-compete

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"I'm afraid I kinda made a deal with the Manderlys which prevents me from competing with him on ship production. If you want some of the ships I've designed, you will have to talk to him. You see, the Hammer of the Waters wasn't exactly cheap and I needed a lot of money for all the Iron I was going to cast."
He shakes his head in disappointment
"I see. That is indeed a shame, but Wyman Manderly is a loyal servant of the realm, he could be convinced to tear up such contract if I were to request it."
"He could, but I don't think that'd be very honorable on my part. If it's all the same to you, we could put my brother as a landed Knight under Stannis on some of the Dragonstone's domains. Maybe an island if you've got one of those to give. I'll make sure he's got some guns and powder around in case the Royal Fleet needs to throw some lead in the air."
He observes you for a moment before nodding
"Very well Lord Tallon. That sounds like a reasonable enough course of action."
You nod in agreement
"Naturally, this hinges on my brother actually accepting the title, but I see no reason as to why he'd say no."
The two of you shake hands
"Then you should go tell him. I'll let the small council know of the coming faire, in the meantime. I trust you will send message to your lands and tell them to ship such goods which would be necessary for the coming occasion. Invite your friends and family as well."
"I'll go do that then. Have a good day Lord Arryn."
You close the door behind you as you leave

Two Months you would be spending, preparing for the faire. The Tallons of Reach, now a guest of the Royal family had naturally arrived to celebrate this... unusual occasion. Only your older brother was left behind to manage the holdings as it was considered dangerous for too many of the dynasty to travel at once.
Your mother, your sister (along with her husband) and your father had all arrived to bear witness to your return.

"Is it true? Did you really?"
Your father asks
"Defeat a damn near thousand ships with but a one and return with half a million in gold, silks, perfume, rugs, tapestries and anything of worth a damn that the Free Cities produce, paired with forcing them to acknowledge freedom as a Westerosi birthright? Yes, yes we did."
Rickar puffs out his chest as he responds
"How? How is that even possible?"
Your mother asks
"Ask Arthur, he's the one who made the monster of a ship."
He points to you
"I mentioned before, the Long Night was a courier ship, not a full on warship. The Hammer of the Waters on the other hands, is a Warship."

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Rickar then begins to excitedly talk of his part in the wars
"Oh, you should have seen it father, a horizon filled with ships, the wailing of the siren echoing through the air interrupted only by the thunder of guns and the steady thrumming of the ship's fiery heart, the screeching of missiles in the air and the creaking of wood when the prows of enemy ships blossomed into shrapnel and smoke, eating in water like a force fed swan one after another as we tore apart fleet after fleet and finally, when the enemy commander saw defeat, that horizon of ships struck their colors in unison."
He closes his eyes and draws a deep breath
"We turned down the siren just to hear the sound of their retreat horns. It was the most glorious sight I've seen in my life. Foe shattered, utterly and completely before our righteous crusade."
You clap your hands
"Oh, that reminds me! Since you're technically an officer, you're also getting a full officer's share from the plunder. What was it again 1600 or so? 1607 Gold dragons? Something like that. Anyway, that'll come in use when the King's gonna give you a landed title."
"Excuse me?"
"Yea, so basically that's what the hand wanted to talk to me about when we arrived."
"What."
"Essentially, I'll throw this party in honor of King Robert Baratheon because he's such a good bloke and use my newfound fame to help solidify his claim. He then gets Rickar his own Island in Blackwater Bay and anoints him as a landed Knight in service to Prince Stannis. Naturally you need to actually say yes for this to happen, but either way, I'm still down to throwing this Faire whichever way the wind blows. I can afford it."
"And you couldn't have told me this before?"
"It never really came up until now. Besides, I kinda wanted you to have some people to ask advice from before committing to anything."
"You couldn't mention this in a letter?"
Your mother asks
"Well, I couldn't think of any eunuch jokes and I didn't want to disappoint Lord Varys when he'd eventually read through my letters."
"Very funny Arthur. But regardless, this is a good thing for us and for you Rickar. After this stupid stunt Arthur dragged you through"
She gives you a glare
"...and the landed title in Crownlands, there should be little problem with finding you a beautiful wife from a good family, and Arthur..."
"Yes?"
"Thanks your bout of insanity, I now have to cancel all the marriage meetings I had planned for you. Don't think we won't be talking about this later. Preferably where we won't be listened in."

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"Right, so Red Keep is out of the window then, Maegor's tunnels are very well still in use and it's safe to assume every servant's taking tips from at least one other person in this place."
She shakes her head and sighs
"OH! You know how Lannisters don't have any Valyrian Steel weapons of their own despite being a massive house with ton of money and prestige and all that?"
"You didn't..."
"OH YES I DID! HAHAAA!"
You pull out your sword and dagger
"Two-prefall blades made around the time of the fall of Ghis."
"Can I...?"
Your father asks
"Sure, have a swing, that's what they're made for."
He gives it a swing
"It's lighter than normal steel blade of same size."
"It actually isn't. I weighed it, got it's volume and calculated it's density. It's actually more or less similar density to steel, but when you actually take it to your hand, that doesn't at all feel like it is. There's some fuckery going on about them blades."
He raises his eyebrow and gives the sword another another swing
"Mysteries of Valyrian spellforging. Well, nevertheless it is a sword fit for a king. You should hold on to it."
"Oh I do intend to. It is not every day one has a chance to study such a strange item."
He hands it over for the rest of the family to look at before return it back to you

"Can we see inside your ship?"
Ayenna asks
"I don't see why not. Somebody's spies likely have already had a gander, but it's not like that matters. The Smiths and shipwrights in this city are shite, and I doubt that even the Citadel would have difficulties with replicating my works."
"I think you've just got unrealistic standards."
"Well, I think the craftsmen in this city tend to have little to no standards, but whatever, I'll give you a tour."

>How much money do you wanna put into the Faire?

>Minimum budget 1000G

>>3555750
Lets make it 3000G and not go too overboard.

>>3555750
Let's put 222900g into the faire.

>>3555750
5000G imho should do it.
We need it to be fucking great.
I would be willing to go for more but i think that more would just be a waste...

>>3555750
How about 5000 gold? Really anything under 10k is fine though i do not want to go too overboard

>>3555750
5-7000 ish seems reasonable.

>Two Months you would be spending, preparing for the faire.
Shame KL is a terrible place to run a Triumph

>>3555750
any price range things?

>>3555764
Unfortunately, a triumph can only be held in the capital as it is based in the roman ceremony. Basically anyone holding a roman military position was not really allowed to enter the borders of Rome, except during triumph or by forfeiting their position.

>>3555750
>10000G
Imagine the popularity, we need to strike while the iron is hot!

>>3555750
4000 Gold Dragons.

>>3555750
>faire budget 5000gd.

Can we get an idea of what effects the money we put into this would have on the fair?

>>3555817
Actually, this.
Let's hear what we can get for our gold before we start quoting numbers.

>>3555750
5000G splash around some dosh

>>3555750
>Budget 5k for farie
And is our treasure calculated with out brothers share removed?

Grand tournament takes like 10 Wealth to sponsor + 5 wealth for every contest prize

Regional tournament takes like 5 wealth + 2 wealth for each contest

local ones are like 2 wealth + 2 for each contest

1 Wealth is still 200G

So basically, going 5000G means 25 wealth on festivities, makes it a pretty huge affair with like beer fountains, flower petals and fireworks and shit.
You can have a marching band too with that money.

>>3555755
changing to 5k

Should be noted that because this is KL, you obviously can't handle everyone at once with like 5k, but it's still a 1 050 000 silver stag budget, which does still get you a lot of stuff.

>>3555864
>>3555871
Okay, then.
Keeping my vote from here: >>3555816

>>3555756
This
>>3555864
Describe to me the 200k festival.

>>3555750
I'mma go ahead and say 20k

>>3555933
Bobby B becomes our best bro.

>>3555750
>12k gp
>6020 gp for faire
>Regional tourney 1k gp(5 Wealth)+4.8k gp(24 wealth) for 12 contests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SfyObUd5e8

QM is saying 10k is enough for Triumph (see Rome). Wanna go for it lads?

10k show Bobby b how a conqueror parties

>>3555991
Bobby B will be with us in the carriage if we throw the Triumph, apparently. With the royal carriage, no less. Remember, this is as much for them as it is for us, since they want to show the rest of the lords (especially Dorne and other TargLoyalists) that the Tallons are with the Crown. This is 100% for publicity.

>>3555933
The hybrid of oktoberfest , burning man and a medieval fuck feast

>>3555986
i'm in

>>3555986
You have my sword

>>3555986
Fucking hell let’s do this shit.

>>3555997
I would say yes if the crown would agree to aid us in paying for the event. Like if they would give one gp for every three we put into it.

>>3555986
It's no 200k but it'll do.
Switch.

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> mfw we created tallon feast

>>3555997
>>3555991
>>3555986
it also increases time if it is a more complex affair.
so if we can have all the admin stuff done by somone else
we can go full grind marksmanship at the target range to try and get marksmanship 5 so we can enter our shooting competition, win and then let the runner ups have the prizes as if we were not involved, so we can get even more prestige, honor and glory, in being the best shot around.

>>3556032
The Crown is already doing its part by arranging security for the madness that is about to be unleashed, as well as connecting us with the appropriate vendors. Unless you would like to split the security duties 50-50 as well?

>>3556040
Yeah if we're gonna do a marksmanship contest, I'm open to spending the time productively (while foisting the party arrangement to Robert's Party Minister). Just need to specify what we want, hand in the cash, and then let the professionals make magic.

The marksmanship competition can also show off the power of gunpowder weapons.

>>3556050
We need 5 times the amount of beer to drown the city
Also is the party a single day or multiple days
On activities: beer drinking, food competition , dance , marksmanship with a bow and a rifle , getting hammered, whoring, dueling with wooden swords , fireworks
Open to ideas

>>3556057
Multiple days with 10k, I think? It'll be a big occasion. Remember, 10k gold is like 50 Wealth and Grand Tournaments are 10 Wealth to sponsor (prize is additional fee). That might help think about the scale of it all.

>>3555986
sign me right the fuck up

>>3556057
And drinks from all places ( from arbor red to dornish gold) and of course beer and mead
Our plan is to make the most awesome party in all time

>>3555986
Fucking do it.

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> our target

>>3556050
*cough* Robert’s Party minister is Baelish....

>>3556072
additional fun fact, their stocks of vodka were at a all time low...

>>3556085
I was thinking our brother would be good.
He had training in how to organize ceremonies and festivals as a future septon.
Also, put him to good

>>3556088
a low stock of vodka in Russia is still a shit load of vodka

>>3555825
>>3555750
Switching to 10k ROMA INVICTA

Since this will be such a big affair, it seems your lads will be needing uniforms.
Don't worry, they will pay for them from their own pockets.

I really hope all the useless waste of space in KL don’t get it into their heads to corrupt our men while we are here, or steal our stuff.
As a matter of fact, we may want to tell our men to avoid Brothel, at least.

>>3556149
yeah full redcoat or if some anon has a better idea

>>3556149
Need a good military song as well :P

>>3556157
over the hill and far away or the grenadier pipe?

>>3556164
Was thinking more along March of the Templars :P

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>>3556155
We ourselves should dress up as Sharpe, the inquisitor look is old news.
Look how handsome Eddard is.

>>3556173
we need a ceremonial cuirasse.

>>3556173
I genuinely support this 100%. Also that show is the shit.

>>3556173
I'd be down for this. Nice to change it up.

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>>3556155
You don't exactly have red in your heraldry, so it's a bit weird in that sense.

However, rifle regiments often wore green and there's also Russian uniforms which also were often green and had double headed eagle as well.

Ultimately, you can pick the redcoat uniform as well and recolor it if you like too, but it won't be very red.

>>3555745
>"Thanks your bout of insanity, I now have to cancel all the marriage meetings I had planned for you
I still think we should call ourselves the Mad Lord of Port Maw.

>>3556263
yeah but singing Britannia rule the waves is a damm good choice for the parade
>Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

>>3556263
Does Westeros run off of TF2 rules? Because, by god I want our boys to have the biggest, fanciest, most impressive fucking hats in the kingdom.

>>3556039
>Inb4 this party is so great A drunk Bobby B marks it as a national holiday

>>3556289
Tyroshi are the ones most obsessed with hats, but are hundreds of years ahead of them in hat based sciences.

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>>3556263
So like one of these fine lads would be in line?

>>3556263
And we shall be wearing the god emperor's glorious commissariat uniform with a green sash I presume?

>>3556325
So what you're saying is we need to conquer Tyrosh again, this time to take their hat based sciences and use it to advance our own?

>>3556351
I want to wear Sharpe's outfit
40k outfit has gone on for too long.

once we get into our land and raise another regiment and train this one let's make them into gentleman soldiers

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>>3556376
imagine the smallfolk get raped and looted when armies passed there village
but lord Tallon gentleman soldiers are a proper gentleman

>>3556376
Pay them, they’ll loot a lot less if you ask them.

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>>3556368

>>3556400
I mean proper English level gentleman
greased mustache, proper respect for woman, a "white" knight style mind (ie the need to protect a lady ( stuff that noble-born in the reach do ))

>>3556415
It's a good idea, but by gods man, we'd go broke affording all that mustache grease.

>>3556415
Our guys are From the North, not sure they will humour us this far.
But getting them to behave ok is probably fine.

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>>3556173
>>3556368
>>3556414
Support for the Sharpe look. Great show and aesthetic af. Now we just need a Harper to bro it up with.

>>3556576
A great show and a great look I can certainly get behind it

>>3556173
That’s gotta be a super fucking old show for Sean Bean to look that young. Also voting against this shit. It looks good, but it just doesn’t fit Arthur.

>>3556173
No. Just no.

>>3556721
>>3556726
One post faggots with shit taste.

>>3556730
Better than being a nigger like you

>>3556731
Eat a bag of dicks, asshat.

>>3556733
Because I don’t like some shitty British show from a long time ago I’m a faggot asshat with shit taste. Sounds like you’re a nigger chimping out over his basketball team losing.

>>3556736
You'd know what that was like, wouldn't you Tyrone.

>>3556736
I guarantee you are a nigger

>>3556736
>shitty British show
now that is a bridge to far sir it is a fantastic show

>>3556730
That anon has better tastes than you. That outfit might be nice for a solo chacters but it fails in numbers. Plus it's pretty gay.

>>3556772
I'm pretty sure we want Sharpe's outfit for ourselves and use a different outfit for the soldiers.

>>3556810
Prussian aristocracy is pretty cool

If the northen or the dragnstone cadet houses from the tallon need a house words we can use
On wings of hope
Or
Luck favors the bold

>>3556783
Nobody wants Sharpe’s outfit for anyone. Shits stupid as fuck

>>3556810
I also approve of this for our soldiers.

>>3556867
You're a nigger.

>>3556867
Nigger

>>3556173
>>3556414
>>3556576
Yes; lookin' Sharpe!
https://youtu.be/-Fy3tSim3to

>>3556783
We already have our own outfit for ourselves.

>>3556902
Yes, but we're considering getting some fresh threads.

>>3556926
Faggy British threads are worse than 40k commissar duds.

I thought we were all set on the 40k commissar style clothing for ourselves?

>>3556926
Then we get some new Commissars outfits. Not some retarded faggot British shit.

>>3556938
>>3556992
You are literally the same fucking nigger. Nice bait faggot.

>>3557060
Lmao to booty blasted that you are retarded to even see your own shit tastes.

the fuck happened here

>>3557266
Someone suggested something, people agreed, 4chan ensued shortly thereafter.

>>3556810
>going for pickelhaube out of all possible headgear options

Wew, stinks of summer in here.

>>3556173
Supporting the Sharpe Style if it's just for us. Our subordinates can wear tech priest garbs.

Also I was looking back in the old threads trying to find precisely what our Commissar's uniform looked like, just to see if that'd help settle our discussion by reminding people (link below), when I re-read the options for when we were first constructing the LN and were providing our specifications.

We went for the largest option, however the next one down was described as being more suited for cargo thanks to it's reduced complement of guns (20 -> 16) and crew. This interests me and I think we'd be wise to develop it or it's like, a more cargo focused version of our light ship. I'd also be interested in developing the lightest of the three sizes of the ship that were on offer, a 12 gunner that was the fastest of the lot but carried little cargo or crew.

Fact is in this life or our next life, we could make a killing selling these designs to a shipyard owner or producing them ourselves. Plus they'll be good experience in refining our shipbuilding skills for if we ever attempt to improve our existing designs. Not to mention they might be good as a dowry for Manderly.


http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2342456/thumbs/1520518353694.jpg <- The image OP used in his post where we got the uniform, it'd honestly work fine for this parade if we changed the red and blue to green (assuming that is what our troops will be wearing).

>>3557566
You wouldn't have used red and black, just saying. Them's Targaryen colours.

Also, big issue selling those designs in next life is that the value of a product us how much the buyer is willing to pay for it.

These designs are way ahead of their time and only are taken seriously because of the track record they have and because you are a defacto Maester.

In a timeline where that isn't the case, the paper itself is worth more than the designs.

>>3557577
Could we make Maximilian plate armor, or late gothic plate armor? That stuff is definitely more advanced, protective, and flexible than anything available in westeros.

>>3557607
You can make such a suit, but meticulously tailored armor like that exists in my Westeros, but it is fabulously expensive, which is why they are rarely made.

It is entirely within possibility for the best smiths to manufacture a suit of plate that is utterly impervious to arrow fire and has no gaps large enough for the arrows to exploit, save in the eyeslits without hindering the wearer's ability to move around much.

>>3557569
Fair enough I was just going by the image. Personally I'd use a golden sash instead of green but still I've got little investment in our personal appearance since I kinda want to dress up like a byzantine noble or something.

>>3557577
>Also, big issue selling those designs in next life is that the value of a product us how much the buyer is willing to pay for it.
Yeah I get that a large portion of their value comes from our reputation and education but to be fair, I'd imagine we'll find a way to get our chain in almost every life now we're as educated as we are.

Still though, they'd be very profitable to produce or sell on as a design. Fact is the lightest of those models would be a far more reasonable cost for a lord to invest in a single ship than our larger designs given the cannons and shit.

>>3557648
Citadel does actually look at your birth when you take your exams, just a fair warning.

You might get fewer chains if you aren't at least a bastard.

Do you people want to take sam tarly as a squire/ ward and make him into a mini me

>>3557667
>Citadel does actually look at your birth when you take your exams, just a fair warning.
True but we can just take more exams. Admittedly it costs money to do so but not a unreasonable amount assuming we make some smart plays.

>You might get fewer chains if you aren't at least a bastard.
Yeah I know, they have a faulty eugenicist world view.

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Is that next update Almost ready?

Do we have the knowledge to smith a kentucky rifle style firearm? We can always apprentice to a smith, bide our time til we’re alone in the shop, and build a proof of concept to blow some holes in plate armor with at 100+ meters. That would probably get us some credibility relatively fast.

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Here is my suggestion for a new
>Outfit

>>3557758
King George Iv Of England: 1821, Worn By The Grand Falconer At The Coronation

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>>3557758

And the Dream Parade, too bad those instruments dont exist in westeros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2TJFn6W5ec&feature=youtu.be&t=246

Looks like you are gonna be going for a pretty big party.
Lot of people will be showing up for this one.

In fact, since they're so many people showing up, it's actually within reason for you to make deals with a lot of them in order to convert your plunder to tangible assets.

The whole shopping trip might even end up being unnecessary.

>>3557819
>The whole shopping trip might even end up being unnecessary.
All I am hearing is that we should've done more crusading, we'll start round two after this brief half-time show.

>>3557819
Let’s meet Olenna :P

>>3557758
>>3557769
Lol that’s even gayer than the sharpe outfit. So no, let’s not go with this shit. Useless shit worn by people who were never involved in any actual combat or conflict.

>>3557888
(You)

>>3557888
>>Retarded(You)

>>3557888
Guess what dumb nigger, 40k commissar uniforms are also useless shit worn by people who were never involved in any actual combat or conflict because they're not fucking real

>>3557964
Lol, imagine being this assblasted just because I don’t like your nigger tier faggot clothing selection.

>>3557888
(YOU)

>>3558049
Lol, imagine actually unironically being a nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0

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>It's a nigga moment over napoleonic fashion statements
Delightful

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>>3558139
That's a nice one the French Imperial Guard Chasseurs uniform is pretty cool as well

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Stop fighting. Pic related is obviously the best choice

>>3558139
I like that.

>>3558164
Stylish and beautiful
Give that man a 14/88

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If you can't come up with some uniforms, you can always go naked.

The 40k one is good
Especially if we look like the HERO OF THE IMPERIUM

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What about a The Order 1886 costume?

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>>3558535
?????

>>3558545
Thats baller

>>3558545
God damn that game was mediocre but I have always loved its outfits.

>>3558545
That is absolutely glorious

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> mfw we spent a entire day discussing clothing

>>3558545
Not bad, I like it.
Those shoulder pad look a bit weird though?

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>>3558545
Yeah that looks pretty good.

Have we decided what our boys going to wear?

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How about a proper knightly outfit for the officers?

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>>3558917
Seems a little much if ya want how about something like this.

>>3558917
this is cool but I don't think we can make it in time to the party
if we can let's do it

>>3558930
This looks good to me.

>>3558930
It might be kinda a lot of armor for everyone but if we do intend to knight the ship officers it might be wise to give them outfits to separate them from the common shiphands.

We seriously gotta invent the Bessemer process for steelmaking. If you use it without knowing what you’re doing, the steel will be of extremely poor quality, which makes industrial espionage nearly impossible and would set us up to control the military economy of the seven kingdoms and beyond.

>>3558864
There's a reason /tg/ was said to also stand for /totally gay/ and this isn't the reason.

On the point of our troops, I've been wanting to make our infantry / musketmen a nicely standardised mix of plate and mail along the lines of >>3558930's image. I'd argue our troops should probably have a higher collar on the curiass or some chainmail over the neck and some protection for their upper leg but overall it looks good.

I also keep second guessing if we should give our musketmen any melee weapons and shields or just give them a bayonet / entrenching tools.

>>3559008
Yep. Especially in combination with industrial metalworking tools to enable good armour or weapon production.

>>3559015
Probably unnecessary. You could do things like equip them with wheeled pavise shields or pair them with units of pikemen, but odds are the soldiers superior firepower will deal with anything before they become a problem. And if firepower isn't enough the addition of trenches and other field fortifications would make up the difference.

>>3558917
That is insanely cool, no way in hell we could get even one of those ready on time but still I love the look. Speaking of which, since we don't need to manage our keep on a daily basis due to our small council of well educated maesters, we should really take some time on the side to make some really good personal armor. Mostly just to have it, but on the off chance we do end up at war on land, having some masterwork armor we personally made would always be handy. Don't get me wrong, I like our comissar outfit but that's really for sailing and the meme of it. It doesn't beat a great set of armor.

We should visit Dragonstone and be the most awesome uncle to Shireen. Give her hugs and large caliber firearms, like a proper american child.

>>3559192
I mean it doesn't seem to be that hard to build; just a helmet, pauldrons, some kind of neck armor, padded armor, chain mail, and some nice fabrics to cover the whole thing. I think it could easily be made in a month.
The important thing is to look professional.

>>3559203
Come to think of it we can even make sure she doesn't catch greyscale.

>>3559192
It's much more important to hire a bunch of tutors and experiments in order to prepare ourselves for our next life. I would personally suggest a trapmaker since when we are too young to hunt for food yet that doesn't mean we cannot set up some traps to catch some. Not to mention survival skills.

We also need to start putting plans into place for the War of Five Kings and nightwalkers. Dany isn't something to worry about since she's dumb and crazy. We are obviously going to want to keep Ned alive in order to stop his kids from doing dumbshit and create an alliance with Stannis. Remember we can only really predict the start of the war simply because once we take action it's going to go off the rails.

>>3559266
I think she still got Greyscale, it was just drastically reduced to a bit under her eye.

>>3559266
>he wants to let the 5k happen
Or we could just catch Bran as he falls out of a window and solve the main plot instantly as Cersei and Jaime are caught and Tywin becomes so angry he self-destructs.

>>3559177
True but my worry is that they might get taken out of position or have to fight in bad weather (where our muskets are fucked) in which case having even a buckler would greatly improve their odds.

>>3559192
Agreed. Admittedly our Commissar's outfit does have a very good breastplate but it's hardly a complete suit of proofed plate.

>>3559203
Nah, music boxes and highly articulated dolls. Maybe some tin soldiers or something.

>>3559266
>>3559271
Yeah the current plan is to prevent the war of the five kings by discrediting Cersei and her children, leaving only Stannis and the other brother, Renly, I think his name was?

In theory if this worked, we'd at worst have a war between those two and it would quickly resolve itself given Stannis's superior claim and likely greater support.

>>3559334
What happens if our actions to date have butterfly-ed away Big Bob's hunting accident & he lives to a ripe, old, age?

How would he respond to the encroaching army of the dead, or Dany & her magically re-spawning armies & dragons of wildly inconsistent effectiveness?

>>3559483
It's based on the books anon.
For the last fockin time.
Dany can be removed from being a threat very early on by just capturing her and Viserys, forcing them to sign a document revoking their and their descendents claim to the throne (and shooting Viserys when he sperges)
Then we can give Dany a bag of gold and tell her to fuck off to her lemon tree house.
The Whitewalkers will be a far bigger threat in books but without dragons they have no way past the wall and we will have equipped the NW with counters to them anyway.

>>3559483
>How would he respond to the encroaching army of the dead
If he is made aware, if he doesn't dismiss it and if he hasn't bankrupted the realm by the time that the dead start marching, he'd rally a strong force and probably win but the issue more so lies in the general disbelief in their existence in westeros. Without solid proof, he has more pressing concerns: 7 kingdoms, 1 king and all that.

>Dany & her magically re-spawning armies & dragons of wildly inconsistent effectiveness?
Probably assassination. I mean he'd almost certainly eliminate her because she's the last remaining person in the world who has a legitimate claim to the throne (that he knows of) so her death seals his families rule.

>>3559506
>they have no way past the wall
Assuming the Horn of winter isn't actually a thing and a few other possibilities, yes.

>>3559483
I think that its a real possibility that we will invade the summer isle on behalf of Jalabhar Xho so that is going to turn the story tits up if it ever happens.
The plus side is we will get real goddamn rich if we can field key ships to the royal navy.

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>>3559015
So like a half plate or something similar to this for armor?

>>3559576
Aye that seems about right. Solid protection over the vital organs, neck and head along with enough protection over the limbs to stop stray blows from cutting deep.

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>>3558560
>>3558608
>>3558655
>>3558895
>>3558899
More art, this might be good for our officers

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>>3559944
This one is more subdued, more of an everyday uniform as can be evinced from the mud splatter at the hem

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>>3559945
And his more ceremonial outfit

>>3558517
I'm kind of curious, we know what the Spider thinks of us, what does Melisandre think? I mean, we're pretty much walking into her prophecies and fucking them all up.

>>3560019
Speaking of Melisandre, we need to remember to tell Cressen not to kill himself trying to poison her. We also need to talk to him about this Lightbringer stuff.

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>>3560019
The Spider likes knowing things, so being unable to figure out how and why we can do what we do would be driving him nuts (if he had any). Pic related.

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>>3560019
As for Melisandre. As OP put it at the end of last thread it would be extremely hilarious if she asked her flames whom we serve and gets pic related. Especially given the whole Azor Ahai prophecy stuff.

>>3560040
Honestly, I have half a mind to see if we can arrange a dinner with Varys and offer to share information gathered by his little birds and our eagles. Telling him the information gathered by our eagles often isn't as specific as those gathered by the little birds, the caveat being that our Eagles don't actually exist.
I'm just worried about sending him into full paranoid mode and him trying to murder us or something.

>>3560046
It would. To be honest though, she's like third on my priority to kill list. I'd rather not have Stannis turn into an Asshai puppet.

>>3560046
Oh man, I just realized. Our guns might be considered the Lightbringer. Our sword that emits heat and light when we wield it.

>>3560054
Well we did just declare for Robert and Varys is a loyalist, that will almost certainly become a problem at some point.

>>3560062
We could always tell him we're aware that Aegon is alive and we have no designs to expose him. That and he should have already heard our opinions on Gregore Clebane and what he did to Rhaenys and Elia.

>>3560063
"Hi, I'm your enemy who voiced our support to the crown. Now I know that Aegon is alive but I won't do anything."
If I was the Spider I'd think Tallon has some master plan in the works once he said this.

>>3560083
We do have a master plan. Fuck bitches make money

>>3560083
No different then what he's doing.

>>3560083
Tallon: Sup Spider, how's Fake Aegon doing?
Varys: Wat
Littlefinger's Spy #23: Wat
Robert Baratheon: Wat

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> 2 100 000 silver stag budget

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"I hear the men in your house are quite something, storming the free cities and besting Robert at Ashford."
Cersei says as she addresses your mother
"Thank you for your compliments my Queen."
She replies whilst giving a curtsy and Cersei gives her a smug smile.
"Prince Joffrey has been quite looking forward to meeting your son, you know. Come, sit and we'll talk of pleasant things while our boys talk of swords and war."

Yes, this is apparently a thing now. As the menials scurried in their labors, sending word of the coming event and constructing the faire grounds, things happened.
You and most your family, were dragged into a garden dinner party with the royals. Most unexpected thing about it was that most of the Royal family was in attendance.
Stannis, Renly, Robert, Cersei and her children along with the Kingsguard. How this had happened, you had no idea, but just about everyone in attendance wanted a word or two with you.

"Is it true you defeated the free cities with just one ship?"
Joffrey asks
"Only two of them, the Lyseni gave up without a fight."
"Quiet boy. How many ships did they have?"
Robert speaks out
"In Tyrosh they brought out a professional fleet of about 300 or so warships to face me, in Myr, they had 600 or 700 ships formed of mercenaries, militia and their standing navy naturally. They could have pulled easily over a thousand strong fleet each, but majority of those ships do belong to the trade princes who don't much care for losing ships."
"I'd very much like to hear how exactly did you pull off that miracle against such odds."
Stannis speaks out
"The Tactics that I used? If you consider the standard war galley everyone has been using since time immemorial as the naval equivalent of a phalanx of disciplined spearmen, then the answer is simple enough how to counter it.
You simply need to create a ship that is the equivalent of the horse archer. That's how the Dothraki spread across Essos."
"Single horse archer will take a long time to go through 600 spearmen."
Robert replies
"Ah, but what if you had 80 horse archers, how would you consider the chances in that fight then?"
He nods
"Winnable. Very much winnable. I'll want to see your new ship and I'll know how does it exactly achieve what you claim."
"I will come as well!"
Joffrey states
"I think we ALL want to see the ship that did the impossible."
Renly states
You shrug
"We'll do when we get to it I suppose. Just say the word and I'll give you the tour, though I should warn you that it does indeed smell like crusty seamen and the more... unusual features of the vessel might take a while to explain."
"Unusual features?"
Rickar speaks out
"He is referring to the iron heart of the ship that turns fire to life my King."
"The Fuck is he on about?"
"Basically I set a bonfire under the ship's deck and it sails against the the winds and waves as it pleases."

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"I'll have to see it to believe it."
"Like I said my King, whenever you want the tour, we'll make it happen."
"Good. Come, walk with me while they grill the meat. Rest of you lot, don't bother us."

He takes you out for a walk in the quiet, shady part of the Garden and lowers his voice as he addresses you.
"Jon Arryn speaks well of you, but cautions me against trusting you."
"That is well with me my king, I loathe responsibility."
"HAH!"
He smacks you in the back
"Seven hells, I wish could have been there. Haven't had a proper fight in years. Since when can you just drop your duties as a Lord and go on adventuring without your King?"
You shrug
"I don't think there ever was a law against it my King."
He scoffs
"Well now there is! Next time you attack Essos, you better invite me to come along first."
"You'll have my word on it."
You say as you smirk
"So! Tell me of your lands Tallon. What's it like in the North? Is Ned still as stuck up as always?"
"Lord Eddard is as he always has been. Honorable and devoted to his duties and family. And as to my lands? Oh, it's everything I hoped. Plenty of space, nobody there to complain when you start distilling booze and there's very little political fuckery.
Being a boglord is actually pretty damn peaceful, provided you can keep the outlaws at bay. Nobody asking you stupid shit or trying to push you off your lands."
He scoffs
"No money grubbers, plenty of hunting, drinking and northern girls to fuck. Are you trying to make your King jealous or something?"
"Did I mention I'm not married yet either?"
He punches you in the arm in response
"You watch your tongue there Lord Tallon or I'll make sure you too will know what's it like to be married to a Lannister."
He smells the air for a bit
"Smells like the food's done. We'll continue this another time."

> Anyone specific you want to talk to?
> Family? Royals? Kingsguard?

>>3560133
Speak with Ma and Pa, I want to know what Cersei was saying, even if it was just idle gossip.

>>3560133
https://youtu.be/aLVigJoi9k8
Let's talk to Joffrey about ideas that sound good in theory but fuck him over in implementation

>>3560133
Bobby is such a bro.

>>3560141
A broken clock is right twice a day, I suppose.

>>3560130
Jesus I misread that budget of Silver stags as Gold Dragons and thought we'd spent 100,000 on this.

>>3560133
Royalty and family, in that order. Stannis and Robert are the priority (lightly talking shop but mostly trying to establish a good rapport / understanding) but we can hardly neglect anyone else since that could be seen as slight against them (looking at you Joffrey / Cersei). Also, seeing as the kingsguard is in attendance, talk to them a little but only when it fits into the conversation except in the case of Barristan Selmy who is a god damn badass and madlad.

>>3560162
He's a man obsessed with control and respect (to him), of course he hates people having troops that aren't his, it's like a kid not being allowed access to toys.

>>3560133
>family
wonder what cersei said to them,see our sis,brother in-law and nephew and family stuff
chat with them on whether winter is indeed coming
>Royals
ask their opinion on whether they think winter is coming
>Kingsguard
drink and make merry with the off duty ones

>>3560166
I read it as 2,100,000 gp
but 2,100,000 sp = 10,000 gp

>>3560133
>Kingsguard
Sympathise with the Kingslayer, mention in private that we know he saved KL and praise him. That boy is thirsty as fuck for praise, any praise. Could be useful later down the road.

>>3560176
>mention in private that we know he saved KL and praise him.
Varys, standing around the corner: Wat


Seriously though, we should do that. Should probably also ask him to send our regards to his father and brother.

>>3560133
this >>3560176

>>3560157
also this

>>3560178
>>3560179
I know we're on a "Fuck the Lannisters" train (Mountain pls go and stay go) but even dishonoured, Jaime is a very VERY good fighter, with aspirations for nobility and "doing the right things". I blame his corruption mostly on Cersei, since he's not... very bright, to put it nicely. Also daddy issues, but doesn't everyone in ASOIAF have that, more or less?

We're just saying he's a good boy for the possibility of something nice down the road. That's not a huge cost even if nothing comes out of it.

>>3560183
Agreed. The man is just in a very awkward place (demanding family, need for praise from his father, wants to be a noble person, loves his sister, etc) that means no matter what he does or doesn't do, some part of him is disappointed.

Also it's not even that we're team "Fuck Lannisters", it's just we know that they are the linchpin in so much bullshit that they've (specifically his father and sister, everyone else is fine) got to go. It's nothing personal, just business.

>>3560187
>Nothing personnel
Precisely. I mean there are what, a hundred Lannisters from main and offshoot branches? Tyrion is a pretty jolly fellow as well, so clearly it's not all Lannisters who are shits. I have a soft spot for Tywin but you really cannot support him knowing that the next generation is FUBAR with Cersei at the helm and Jaime cut off from being able to lead the House as a Kingsguard, and Tyrion more or less blacklisted.

Lannisters are fucked harder than the Tarlys are in terms of succession crisis. Theirs is a tenuous house of cards that requires an able statesman, but there just isn't anyone in the line of inheritance aside from the Imp.

Just had a funny thought of Jaime breaking down in tears while talking to us and everyone else going "wtf" at us making the Kingsguard cry

>>3560133
Can we be a good role model to joffery? Or is he too far gone.

As for my vote maybe Jaime

>>3560188
>I have a soft spot for Tywin
Honestly me too. I respect the man for much the same reasons I respect Stannis, difference is Stannis is more honourable in his dealings and Tywin is honestly a bit too emotional / fucked as a father.

>>3560166
>Robert
Already spoke with him, no
>Stannis
Does not require kowtowing. The only time he summons men is when he needs to discuss matters, not exchange pleasantries. No.
>Renly
A shit, but in all honesty I would prefer we don't bother with this guy. He's like a giant dumpling without any meat inside, making it a disappointing lump of bready mass. NO.

>Kingsguard aside from Jaime
Who was it that talked to us in private during Harrenhall Tournament? Might be good to say hi and exchange pleasantries, remark on how time passed, etc.

>Royal family
Is Tommen born at this point? He's a good kid despite being incestfruit.

Talk to Joffrey as well, he's clearly excited about us and we can humour his brattiness.

Is Littlefinger here?

>>3560194
Seriously, if Tywin had a normal childhood instead of Frey-tier father (Except with none of the competence...) he could have been good.

>>3560196
>Renly
>A shit, but in all honesty I would prefer we don't bother with this guy. He's like a giant dumpling without any meat inside, making it a disappointing lump of bready mass. NO.

That is some heavy damage.

>>3560196
>Already spoke with him, no
Fair enough but we should still engage in polite conversation and shit.

>The only time he summons men is when he needs to discuss matters, not exchange pleasantries.
Then you must question why he is here, if not to speak with us. If he wanted to speak with any member of the royals, he'd have a far better time when we weren't here.

>A shit, but in all honesty I would prefer we don't bother with this guy. He's like a giant dumpling without any meat inside, making it a disappointing lump of bready mass. NO.
Agreed.

>Who was it that talked to us in private during Harrenhall Tournament? Might be good to say hi and exchange pleasantries, remark on how time passed, etc.
Oh shit, I forgot about him. Yeah we should talk to him.

>Is Tommen born at this point? He's a good kid despite being incestfruit.
No idea, he'd probably be a bit too young for any real conversation mind you if he was.

>Talk to Joffrey as well, he's clearly excited about us and we can humour his brattiness.
Agreed. At the very least we've got enough interesting tales to keep him entertained.

>Seriously, if Tywin had a normal childhood instead of Frey-tier father (Except with none of the competence...) he could have been good.
Yeah, he's got the intellect and the will but lacks the conscience and restraint.

>>3560200
>Stannis
We are already more or less in regular contact with him, because he buys gunpowder from us. Also there is a time and place for more technical (read: naval) discussion once we are on board and away from the Red Keep.

Remember, anons, that this is the playground of Varys. There is a limit to how much we should reveal our hand. That guy has the entirety of the Keep bugged. Our ship is a relatively safe place, since it doesn't have Maegor's hidden tunnels built within. For this reason, I am against talking with Stannis in any significant topic.

I assume we would do the polite necessities like replying to how-do-you-do's instead of breezing by like some autistic savant.

P.S. Try not to engage with Cersei. There are only two outcomes when talking with her. Either:

- She thinks you're beneath her. She smugs all over you. Your prestige takes a hit.

- She thinks you're above her. She becomes paranoid. Unlike her calmer father, the mad queen is very, very shortsighted and is very much capable of doing extremely stupid things. Let's not get tangled with that snake.

>>3560202
Fair enough. I do agree we must be careful what we say but I doubt we're going to reveal much of anything that Varys wouldn't already have had a chance to pickup from his network.

>>3560193
I don't think you can be a good role model for anyone considering the sort of person you are.

>>3560209
Rude.

The Kingsguard who took notice of us during Harrenhal is dead, so that's a no go. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Oswell_Whent

>Who was it that talked to us in private during Harrenhall Tournament? Might be good to say hi and exchange pleasantries, remark on how time passed, etc.
He is fucking dead mate. If I remember correctly, he was one of those guys that got killed at tower of joy.

>>3560205
You forgot option c) she thinks you might be useful/might want to ensure you're in her camp so she sleeps with you

Remember
>and probably Moonboy for all I know

>>3560133
> Family? Royals? Kingsguard?
Try to talk with mom , joff and ser barista

>>3560209
What kind of person do you take us for? D:

We should probably talk to Stannis about our Bro.
Then maybe go speak to Jaime a bit.
Not sure who else is here exactly, anyone from other Great house?

>>3560323
You've killed at least a couple thousand people for money, just saying

>>3560328
We saved a few thousands people from slavery. :)

>>3560133
>Talk to ma about what Cercei was talking about, see if she didn't glean anything from her interaction with her.

>Talk to Joffrey about what being a good ruler really means. His only real role model has been Robbert. Discipline and a good heart, empathy for your fellow man, how helping others can best help you. Things that WE'VE been doing.

>Talk some more with Jon Aryn about how we can further ingratiate ourselves and maybe the creation of a standing army armed with OUR weapons, easy to make with proper funding and even easier to use.

>Keep talking with Robbert about our weapons and how they would best serve his armies. Like we're doing STANNIS...

>Talk to Renly about our weapons and how we could cut a deal with him, like we're doing with Robbert AND Stannis. Maybe drop hints that we know he bats for the other team but that we are completely fine with that cause people can't help who they love.

We are in a prime position to expand both our operations AND our clientelle for when Bobby B unfortunately passes and the whole of the Seven Kingdoms has to arm themselves. Plus I wanna be friends with Renly, he's a bro. I advise against talking to Littlefinger, son of a bitch would send spies all the way up North to try and steal trade secrets. Fuck him.

>>3560328
We're a weapons dealer, Death is kind of our main market...

>everyone still talking like Bobby Bs death is a total certainty.
Can ye stop?

>>3560355
You mever know man. Even if it's not we can still talk him into creating a standing army, armed with OUR weapons. Imagine the sort of dosh the seven kingdoms would be rolling in if everyone has a soldiers salary, as well as their regular salaries. Plus all the money needed to RUN a standing army, you need food and clothing and all sorts of stuff, money that eventually finds its way back to us.

You know what we need though? Some counter intelligence to make sure niggas like Varys and Littlefinger don't try and spy on us. Varys I have a feeling will come to us in time but Littlefinger looks like one of those niggas who could be competition.

We can't afford compitition.

>>3560340
>Preach morals to Joffrey
Yea, way to be a hypocrite. This life has entirely been pragmatism, secrets, lies, violence and pursuit of profit.

>Jon Arryn
Isn't here and he is very busy

>Drop hints we know he bats for the other team
Dude, he is like 16. He hasn't even porked Loras yet.

>>3560467
Well yeah we're a pragmatic opportunist but we're not an asshole. We detest barbarism, and our whole deal wether we knew it or not has been that our rising tide lifts all boats. Our raid on the cities has pretty much elevated anyone associated with us to great status, with Dan and Bodrin possibly becoming our Bannermen! Joffrey's heir apparent, so I figure it better to leave him with good morals than leave him with Bobby B as his lone role model. To do as we say rather than as we do.

As for Renly, I admit I may be getting ahead of myself. Still though, I don't like the way he went to Millisandra's yeast infection, hence why I wanna be friends with the dude.

>>3560478
How do you think Joffrey would respond to moral platitutdes?

>>3560527
Not very well... but it's worth a shot badum tish

>>3560328
Ok, SURE the whole point of it all was for the money, but we did free a bunch of slaves, broke apart any slave rings in westeros, and humbled a couple free cities that genuinely deserved it. I mean Robin Hood is a thief but nobody gives him shit for it because all of his marks are rich and he gives up some of his loot to the poor, we basically did that with a ship.

>>3560527
How about instead of moral platitudes, some Machiavellian advice or w/e is more IC for Arthur

>>3560631
I was thinking of slipping him The prince, Arthur edition.

>>3560775
Once we get to our home we should write the love child of the prince ,art of war , some “ interesting” facts about westeros and the planetos ( geology , a summary of local history, industry, folk tales , culture,local hygiene etc) and that super important book about the economy and how it function ( i am blanking on the name )

>>3560794
And if we can let’s try to write the westeros version of the Encyclopædia Britannica

>>3560618
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night

>>3560794
Wealth of nations?

>>3560340
>>3560467
>>3560478
>>3560527
What Joffers needs is the capacity for empathy. Without that we can bukkake him with improving morals all day long & it'll amount to nothing.

Bearing in mind that sociopathy/psychopathy are at least partially genetic there may not be anything we can do to improve him. The best bet might be to wait untill someone else inevitably kills him off for being a 'ruthless idiot', and focus on helping what's-his-face with the pet cat (the one who took the name King's Landing a bit too literally); he seemed nice.

>>3560891
Tommen was best king
also, we need to protect his sister smile ( when she's born )

>>3560898
can we get tommen to lead our air force?

>>3560527
>>3560478
Pragmatism would work better.
"Always know that people will do what best benefits them in one shape or another. Money, power, favor of the gods, love, keeping the position they have because they are content, whatever. Show them a way to achieve it, whilst benefiting yourself as well and they will do it. Its how all societies work no matter what shape they take.
All else are just words. Keep this in mind and you wont make a shit king. If you are not a shit king, just one or two memorable things that benefit enough people and history remembers you as a good king."

>>3560133
>> Family? Royals? Kingsguard?
>Remind our sister and brother the danger of the Great Game
>Talk to Selmy, however see if he can put us in touch with Arstan Selmy of House Selmy. And see if they will agree to begin shipping us cotton at a good price.
>talk to Robert about how the seven kingdoms could prosper from a centralized royal controlled over arching trading guild. Who focus more on directing merchants to where select goods would be needed by getting reports of fluctuation prices across the seven kingdoms and then selling this information.
Plus it would enable Lord to more easily place large orders for things.

>>3560340
>Discipline and a good heart, empathy for your fellow man, how helping others can best help you. Things that WE'VE been doing.

We are a amoral mad hermit wizard who knows how to get good PR.

>>3560340
>Keep talking with Robbert about our weapons and how they would best serve his armies. Like we're doing STANNIS...
Talking to both of them on what kind of new ship design would be best and what kind of guns would be best for the seven kingdoms might be a good idea as we will be selling them like hot cakes to anyone who can buy them, and giving them a idea that while it would be improper to refuse customers, orders being completed on a first come first served basis would effectively occupy our production with quite the backlog.
Prohibiting our sales or them from buying will just end up with a third party sale and higher prices anyway, and more bad blood, but if they have to wait in line for a couple of years or more while we finish the production for our own lands, and then all the other customers who have placed orders before them...
That is another thing.

Might want to talk with them about pike and shot like tercios or japanese pike and shot, as with the price the guns have, full line formations are going to be viable only for ludicrously rich fuckers.

>>3560947
>Wanting to make a centralized Royal trading guild with Baelish as Maester of coins.

....are you sure?

>>3560331
>>3560618
The slaves were a excuse to get money.
The slaves do not matter.
Well, the noble ones do.
And the fact that with it we sparked nationalism.
But it is not like we are against slavery on principle, its just that our lands dont practice it.
Like we would not be a abolitionist if we are born in essos, not even if we were a Braavosi (Pentos comes to mind)

>>3560958
Maybe if we give him such public power we can get rid of him by proving his corruption.

>>3560964
>not Delenda est pentos with Westeros volunteer brigades and scour the continent clean of slavers with the proto British / venezian empire

>>3560966
we are fucking off to the north and hermiting up a airship or going for a neck canal or something.

we are not staying in viper pit central to play intrigue games and politics. we are leaving that to our family in the reach who will be our more approachable front office proxy

Oh, wait, don’t we need to talk to Stannis about buying Dragonglass?

>>3560916
He already invented the kamikhaze.

>>3560982
Yes; in bulk, preferably.

>>3560922
How about we just minimize our interactions with shitty people period? Including Joffrey, Cersei, Jaime, Stannis, Renly, Bobby B, Jon Arryn, Varys, and Baelish. Just be social and polite enough to be left alone so we can get back to what's important. Science. It's not like we need anything from these people. We don't need a stable Westeros. We don't need to be an influence on Joffrey. We don't need to prevent the war of five kings. We just need science.

>>3561210
>Shitty people
>Stannis
>Bobby B
Now you listen here you little targ shithead.

>>3561210
Still being a nigger, I see.

>>3561214
I'm suddenly a targ shithead because I don't care for a couple of retards? Fuck off. We don't need a useless drunk asshole or a humorless and emotionless fire worshipping robot. We don't need to schmooze these people for investment capital. We have all the funding we need for our construction, industrial, and scientific projects. We should just do enough here to get them to leave us be, and get back to important shit, like improving ourself, scientific research, etc.

>>3561218
Ok targfag.

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>>3561218
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>>3561214
I don't know man, Bobby B is a decent dude to talk to but is kind of asshole. I mean, he did basically start a war over a girl who didn't even really like him, then spent the rest of his life drunk and using up the kingdom's coffers to party.

>>3561274
>he did basically start a war over a girl who didn't even really like him
Fucking show targfag.
First, it didn't really matter whether or not the two liked each other, the two were betrothed, you don't just do what Rhaegar did.
Second off, I really doubt that Lyanna liked Rhaegar all too much after he kept her locked in a tower and refused to let her leave
Third AND THIS IS A BIG ONE, the Mad King literally burned the Lord Paramount of the North and his heir to death with wildfire.

>>3561283
Bobby B is also a drunk who beats his wife, is obsessed with some dead bitch, and neglects his kids, one of which is a burdening psycho and set to take the throne after him.

>>3561274
>he did basically start a war over a girl who didn't even really like him
Well, he did believe she'd been abducted to prince Rheagar's personal rape dungeon against her will. Plus the first guy to complain about said believed abduction was sued as bait to lure his dad in & they were then both burned alive. Also, the king was making demands for yet more innocent people to be turned over for the royal roast.

All things considered, I think big Bob was more than justified in actualising a regime change.

Also; you'd drink, too, if you were married to Cersei.

>>3561283
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>>3561283
Forgot to mention Rhaegar was married and had children, that he left to his Insane father as hostages to blackmail his in-laws into fighting so that he can cheat on her.
Also, I think lyanna was 14 at the time

Rhaegar and Bobby B are both shit. Fuck those guys, fuck politics, fuck The Game, fuck the snake pit known as Kangz Landing, just use our resources for self improvement and science.

I wonder if Pycelle has some rare book on healing lying around.

>>3561305
Shut up nigger.
Bobby B is great. He drinks to dull the pain and there's literally nothing that he wants to do in King's Landing and Westeros can't declare war on anyone which is what Bobby B does best at.
Well, they couldn't until now at least.
Now they'll soon have the means to take on the Summer Islands if they want to.

>>3561317
If you think Bobby B is so great why don’t you suck his cock?

>>3561330
A rebuttal for the ages.

>>3561337
I think; it might be wise to try to get some rare books while we are here, if we are to found a northern citideal

>>3561554
First the star fort, then we can start thinking about making another citadel branch.

Christ I go to sleep and return to discussion deteriorating like we're trying to decide how we dress again.

>>3560328
We killed a couple thousand to save just as many if not more. Plus we proved we weren't in it from bloodlust or greed when we accepted the offers of surrender rather than pushing for more death / ransom.

>>3560381
Agreed, we at least need some counter-spy stuff to exist in our lands and prevent sabotage of our shit.

>>3560467
>Yea, way to be a hypocrite. This life has entirely been pragmatism, secrets, lies, violence and pursuit of profit.
Yeah but we could've gotten way more by acting immorally. We could have ignored what the mountain did or demanded a share of his loot to look the other way for example or we could be planning to break our deal with Manderly (I mean, we've considered it and I am curious if, if we marry into his family, he might consider allowing us to produce them too).

Plus it's not pragmatic actions of ours haven't lead to good outcomes for our people. We wish to learn to heal, we end up healing our people, we become wealthy and famous from these crusades, so too do our crews and their families, we wish to make our family more powerful, so we inform our brother of where to be to survive a losing war yet come out better off. Our printing press, a thing we made purely for profit? Ends up being used to produce books and potentially one day will be far more wide-spread given they know how to make the letterblocks and shit.

>>3560794
Honestly yeah. If nothing else we should probably start publishing some of our less insane / important breakthroughs to spread our knowledge and help create a basis for a scientific Westeros.

>>3560968
Eventually anon. Probably once we've industrialised our economy and need massive amounts of workers to fill in the gaps but at the same time need a way to distract and absorb all those people who we just destroyed the traditional jobs of.

>>3560982
Oh shit yeah, we should probably ask about getting a few blocks delivered to our castle.

>>3561210
That'd probably be for the best. If nothing else we should avoid Cersei.

>>3561554
True, I also wanted to see if we couldn't get permission off of the king to borrow one of his King's guard to give us some pointers for a month or two, while we wait for the festival to be ready.

>>3561330
ur mom

>>3561283
Anon, two wrongs don't make a right. The targs were crazy sisterfuckers with a massive hard on for their long dead dragons and magic, Bobby Baratheon is an abusive alcoholic who couldn't actually be bothered to run his own kingdom. They all suck, except Stannis pre-lightbringer I guess.

Don't about y'all. but we are ending Cersei's and Jaime's career with a pro gamer move. We can try to be Joffrey's mentor but due to Bran plan.
Cersei,Jaime and their children will be seen as Targs traditionalist due to incest thing.
Would be really bad to be that guy who gained your admiration only later to bust your mom for incest and you get kicked by grandfather for being an incest kid. 100% sure Cersei will point fingers at us.

>>3561815

....King in the North?

Bobby B is a drunkard, the Targs are nuts, Renly is a poofter, Stannis is a dick, the Lannisters need to be eliminated root and stem, but the Starks are pretty decent and our liege lords and the oldest dynasty in the seven kingdoms.

>>3561929

If we out their incest we are ending a lot more than their careers, we're getting them put on the chopping block.

>>3561289
beating your wife is not wrong.
it is a good thing.
keeps her satisfied actually.

>>3561289
Cersei needs to be beaten more, fampai.

All this hating on the Lannisters, Dornish, and Targs makes me think it would be hilarious if, once we inevitably get killed, come back as one of them.

>>3562103
>Dornish
When have we brought them up?

>>3562103
Some of us haven't been hating mindlessly on Lannisters. They're simply in an untenable position due to a variety of familial factors. Targaryens are shits since they tend to go mad with all the inbreeding. They're the ones who caused the war when Mad King burned two Northern Lord Paramounts in succession and an Arryn to boot. That kind of shenanigans -deserve- a dynastic change.

I don't think there's been much mention of the Dornish?

>>3561937
Ned will support Stannis for Iron Throne. We're merely anticipating the inevitable discovery of Joffrey's incestry-ancestry, and preparing Stannis/Ned's standing position to be unassailable.

If Stannis decides to upgrade his rank as Emperor of the Seven Kingdoms (because King of the Seven Kingdoms is fucking stupid), then Ned can have his Northern Crown. But we are not going to push for an independent Northern Kingdom.