You are Yumigawa Rushorou, an ordinary student ten days ago and newly minted familiar to a magus today.Ten days ago, you woke up in a collapsing parking garage in the middle of a burning city infested with skeletons. You later learned that you were one of 1,050 people so summoned, and then weeded out to seven chosen Masters. These Masters were compelled to make contracts with powerful spirits of past heroes known as Servants, and with the aid of their Servants to battle until only one remained. This final survivor would win a single wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail, and the contest was thus dubbed the Holy Grail War.In the course of the War, you learned a variety of new things. That Magic is real, for example, and that there is a global association of magi dedicated to magical research, study, and to keeping magic a secret. That at one time, thousands of years ago, the gods of paganism walked the earth, and most ancient myths are at least partially true. How to properly sucker-punch a man. This last lesson proved particularly useful.In the end, after taking victory in the War, you discovered that the entire thing was a farce, a front, a con. It was a ruse designed to collect 1,050 willing sacrifices to kill each other. In fact, the administrator of your Holy Grail War was a participant in a separate, real Holy Grail War, and had planned this mass sacrifice to collect enough magical energy to ensure his victory in that war. You, however, with a few other survivors, were able to kill him and dispel the magic keeping you prisoner in the world of the Grail War, a private dimension entitled the Akeldama.Unfortunately for you, escaping from the Akeldama carries with it a particular responsibility. The orchestrator of the Akeldama Grail War was a Servant, the spirit of Judas Iscariot, bound to the service of one Jean-Pierre Vaisset. Now you, having killed him and absorbed the energy harvested by the Akeldama, have taken on the superhuman powers and bound nature of a Servant. It is the magic energy supplied to you by your Master which keeps you alive, and he holds three command spells, absolute orders which can compel you to take any one action. The path to the Holy Grail remains long and arduous, Yumigawa Rushorou, but you are resolved to walk it.Previous thread: >>3445671Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
You stand in a small, dimly lit room, with stone floor, stone walls, and a stone ceiling. Put simply, a basement made entirely of large stone blocks. You're currently in the center of a wide magic circle, perhaps three feet across and seemingly drawn in blood. Candelabra hang on the walls, giving the place what little illumination it has, and between them stand large bookshelves. Idly, you consider that storing books next to open flames and hot wax seems inadvisable. Hardly important; you put the matter out of your mind. On the opposite end of the room is an out-of-place modern-looking stainless steel worktable, clashing with the archaism of the other items. A variety of stones, beakers, gems, and arcane tools are scattered over its surface as well as the racks below, but you can't see the majority of them as they're obscured by the presence of a man. From what you can see in the candlelight, this man is rather thin, of middling height, with black hair, parted and combed back over his skull, and elegant taste in clothing. He wears black slacks, tailored to fit; a charcoal vest, softly patterned in gray; and a white silk shirt. This, possibly, is Jean-Pierre Vaisset, the magus responsible for your presence. He's hunched over the table, working at something obscured from your view by his back. Unbidden and without thought, a question springs to your lips."Magus, you who have summoned me. I ask of you: are you my Master?""Caster, what the devil are you-" Vaisset gets no farther than that, cutting himself off in mid-sentence as he turns to see you. As his eyes meet yours, his face goes white. In the passage of a moment, no more than the time it takes to blink, you've replaced his Servant. Surely, it's impossible. "Just who are you," he asks voice suddenly hoarse with shock. "Caster, that isn't you, is it? The ritual can't have changed you that much, can it?" Now that he's facing you, you can see that Vaisset is only a bit older than yourself, in his mid-twenties. He's a handsome fellow, and plainly wealthy by his clothing and posture. From his appearance and name, and the fact that you're in Tokyo, you'd guess he's half French and half Japanese, but you aren't certain.You're not certain of much, come to think of it. The question you asked came from nowhere, falling out of your mouth by some strange instinct. By the same instinctual feeling, you can tell that you are a Servant now; that you're receiving a flow of mystic energy from Vaisset, taking the place of the Od you've cultivated an understanding of previously. As you consider your own circumstances, a flood of information about your nature as a Servant enters your mind; again seeming to come almost from nowhere, entering your mind like memories you've never had.Status UpdatedIt takes you a moment to process the new information about your identity, but eventually you refocus on Vaisset. He's looking expectant, still waiting for you to explain yourself.
>>3491019open the game
>[ ] "Caster is dead, and I seem to have taken his place in the Grail War," you say. "Now I will ask again, magus, are you my Master? Or must I go looking?" (Duty)>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)>[ ] You do something else (Write in)
>>3491023>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
Make sure that if we still have command seals somehow that we conceal them.
>>3491021>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
Also evil alignment, we were not that evil right? I mean other then messing with archers master.
>>3491023>[ ] "Caster is dead, and I seem to have taken his place in the Grail War," you say. "Now I will ask again, magus, are you my Master? Or must I go looking?" (Duty)>alignment>neutral evilAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAalso cool stats.
>>3491036>>3491037Evil in Fate is a pretty broad swathe of alignment. Tamamo no Mae's alignment is neutral evil, for example. Based on your actions in the Akeldama, you've been evaluated to be neutral evil.
>>3491038So we're just a dick?
>>3491038I knowI'm just happy it finally happened.
>>3491041Manipulative, arrogant, murderous, perfectly okay with brainwashing, mildly sociopathic...You folks definitely picked up some traits that steered away from the original lawful neutral alignment that I started Rushorou out with.
>>3491043Well, when you put it that way... of course all of that was out of necessity.
>>3491019>Alignment: neutral evilThis makes my pp into PP.
Honestly I feel like a right retard for going with the sword instead of the bow.Independent Action would be real nice right about now.
>Circe when we disappear
>>3491057At least we have a sword that cuts through anything.>>3491060>Circe's face when we reappear
>>3491063>agility A>sword that cuts through anythingTime for some ludicrous high speed Master gankings.
>>3491065Remember that it is a noble phantasm.
>>3491069So, what, we need to activate it with its true name? oh fug :((
You step out of the circle, moving Vaisset from your path with a hand to his shoulder. At first you make straight for the exit, a set of stairs leading up through a corridor, but then you realize you've no idea where you can find anything in this building. You turn back to Vaisset. "I am not Caster," you declare. "Now, do you have a mirror anywhere? I'm in serious need of one.""A... mirror?" If possible, the magus looks to now be even more confused than he was before. "Certainly, there are any number of mirrors in my home. Just go up those stairs, take the first right turn, and then the second room on the left is a restroom." Apparently hospitality has been drilled into the man, no matter how confused he is by the situation. Such is the consequence of a wealthy upbringing. You nod your thanks and ascend the stairs, following Vaisset's instructions to turn right when you reach the ground floor and then left to find the restroom. What you see of the corridors reinforces your previous impression of wealth. The house seems to be a beautifully kept Victorian or Edwardian mansion, perhaps not as densely ornamented as the Eighth Imperial University, but certainly something only the very rich could afford to occupy.Vaisset's restroom contains a large trifold mirror, allowing you to get a clear look at yourself. The first thing that strikes you is your height: you've grown another inch or two. Your other features all seem to be the same as before, mercifully. You don't need to worry about becoming as unrecognizable to Circe and Adelheid as you are to your parents. Your clothing, on the other hand, has completely transformed. The tasteful black suit and burgundy tie you were wearing during your confrontation with Judas has been replaced by what is apparently a requirement for a Saber, gleaming plate armor. It isn't even simply steel, but white; as if the armor has been enameled! The cloth below the gleaming armor remains black, but the overall appearance still strikes you as rather gaudy. Your cloak, previously too small to properly fit the title, has changed as well. It now fully surrounds your body and hangs to your ankles, and is fastened by a silver broach just to the right of your neck. It's only when you push it out of the way that the armor becomes visible. Narrow red vertical stripes run down the cloth, about six inches apart. When you wonder about the absence of a helmet, one appears in your hands. Apparently components of the armor can be summoned and dismissed, though you doubt you'll be wanting to wear a white full-face helmet any time soon.At your left hip hangs a longsword in a richly decorated black and silver sheath. You're tempted to draw it and experiment with your newfound knowledge of swordsmanship, but you're shocked out of your thoughts by the sound of a scream. It came from below, back the way you came!
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)>[ ] Get out of this mansion immediately! (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3491074>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)Oh shit.
>>3491074>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
By the way, if you're curious about what the armor looks like in more detail, it's similar to Agravain's here. The metal portions are white, though; only the cloth is black, and there's no fur.
Oh god what if it's the gang?What if our "Master" tries to command spell us into killing them?Circe is gonna be very pissed off with the guy.Although I suppose we now know what Illya meant by "can't defeat Berserker yet".
Wait.>our sword can't fire a beamfucking DROPPED
>>3491092W-we just need to talk to Circe, right? Our legend isn't finished yet, right?
>>3491092Beam swords are overrated. We've got a cloak that can effectively defend us from anything or kill the attacker if they are careless.
>>3491094I swear to god if Circe and/or Adelheid are dead we kill everyone in this entire god damn city.
>>3491096And then ourself.
>>3491096>Win the grail war>Wish for the incarnation of ourself and our previous servantsEzPz
>>3491110>win the grail war>thinking the grail won't manjew us.It fucking summoned Judas.Something's up.
>>3491110>Circe and Adelheid incarnate without the memories they formed in Akeldama
>>3491111I hope they know better than to use the Fuyuki Grail after the nth time.
>>3491112All of a sudden I really really want to beat a certain autistic ginger to death for not having this problem.
>>3491116>magi>knowing better>everPfft.
>inb4 we get mudded.com
>>3491120>"I'm starting to get tired of being altered by grails."
Welp, QM's asleep. We should check if Circe still has the gloves; we're gonna need them to learn how to swung sword.
>>3491134You mean if we have the gloves, right? There’s no Circe now anon....
>>3491136you shut up
>>3491136SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.
>>3491136
So you guys think the Servants in this actual War are going to be as ridiculous as Blackbeard or Adelheid?
>>3491159I'm preparing myself for shit like Enkidu or Gilgamesh, personally.Or for Shirou to show up as an actual person.
>>3491162>Be in a grail war with EMIYA, Shirou>The battle of the neutral evil versus the retarded good Grail Winners
>>3491169>worse yet, his spawn
Wait guys, now that we’re a servant we can make up names for Rushorou’s moves and person and not seem like a total chuuni for it!
>>3491173We really need to get on that name. Hopefully one with fewer syllables.I wonder if the events of Akeldama are the only basis for our "legend" as a heroic spirit or if our legend is still being formed. I hope it's the latter.
>>3491074>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)Fuck me for going to sleep before changing my vote to needle.Oh well. Saber is a pretty powerful class as long as the master isn't utterly retarded, and we're even rocking an anti-world Noble Phantasm (thanks Caster).>>3491092Clearly, we're a fake Saber servant. Since we don't fire beams, but we use a sword, I have scientifically proven that we must actually be an Archer-class servant and therefore have Independent Action.Soon...In other news, Vaisset just drew a retardedly powerful card without realizing it. Even without our other Servants, look at that fucking status screen. Magic Resistance B, 4/6 stats are B or above and nothing is less than C...We even have fucking True Mind's Eye at B-rank. TRUE. That means our combat intelligence is FSN Archer-tier. Hell, the only thing of ours that really sucks is our shit-tier Riding skill. Not to mention the ludicrous advantage of nobody knowing who we are or what we can do.I'd also like to take this moment to remind everyone that our cloak and sword (folded over 1000 times) can cut through anything. That's pretty good, even if they are C-rank. Saber, Lancer, and other up-close-and-personal servants are in for a nasty surprise if they ever try to block an attack of ours.
>>3491189We are definitely going to “you are already dead” a servant that unleashes some CQC NP with the cloak.>Charisma DShould’ve been a A++++++ but mkay>Conceptual Biology AI wonder what at all this will do for us as a Servant>6’2”>79kgOur boy got BIG
...Kill current Master and see if we can make Kikuko our master if she's still around?Really hoping Adelheid and Circe made it out ok.
>>3491205Anon, I......
>>3491209GIVE ME MY FUCKING BIRD WAIFU.
>>3491209Peddle your blackpills elsewhere.
>>3491162>GilgameshIs there any rule against him being Summoned as a girl?
>>3491225It's called "not actually being a girl"
>>3491195>I wonder what at all this will do for us as a ServantIt makes us immune to mystical poisons, although these examples depend on inhalation or direct poisoning counting as "consumption":>Sikera Ušum -- noted to be less effective on people with anecdotes of resisting poisons or skills to resist poisoning>Providential Oni Poison>Serenity's poison body>anything inside us Robin Hood's Yew Bow will amplifyIt also lets us lolnope anything the Caster might slip us.
>>3491233Btw, that brings me to something. Since Rushorou has replaced the caster in this war, are there now two sabers? What do you lot think about this?
>>3491230Orite, I keep forgetting that Merlin pranked Artoria THEN gave her a fick
>>3491240Proto Arthur and Artoria are totally seperate people.Though Gilgamesh undoubtedly has a magic gender changing item were he to feel like using it.
>>3491242>Proto Arthur and Artoria are totally seperate people.Oh.>Though Gilgamesh undoubtedly has a magic gender changing item were he to feel like using it.He wouldn't use that for lil ol us...right?
>>3491238I think THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE>>3491242...Is it the origin of Merlin's potion?
>>3491243He's more likely to use it on us more than for us.
>>3491243>He wouldn't use that for lil ol us...>right?Never ever * a million.More likely to give Shirou Ea.
>>3491249Yeah but Conceptual Biology counters it.
>>3491250>More likely to give Shirou Ea.Let's not go TOO far.
>>3491252Also, his bullshit armour is useless against our NP.
>>3491261Oh Christ. We actually somewhat counter Goldy.Haha.
>>3491262>Implying implications
>>3491265Well, we're a pain in the ass for goldy.Our cape makes gatespam useless and our sword makes his armour useless, forcing him to use his brain for once.
>>3491205Okay, let's set forth our strategy regarding masters.Vaisset is almost certainly a brainlet, since it never even occurred to him that Caster might not be able to make the Akeldama work. Probably worth getting rid of him. The question is - how?Kikuko is certainly an option if we can find her. She's been brainwashed to loyalty, so we can just make her our master and keep her hidden while we win the war.There's also Truvi (or perhaps her sister if we run into her because Edelfelts), presuming we manage to get into contact with her and convince her to come over and win the grail war. She's full of herself but she's a competent mage, we know what she wants the Grail for, and we won't get instagibbed like Lancer did.Alternatively, we could instead bide our time, betray this asshole, and contract with the nigh-inevitable Tohsaka/Matou/Einzbern/Emiya loli.>>3491250If Gil felt like it, he'd do it for sure. The question is just how to get him into that mindset. Say, if he wanted to fuck us, and inhuman biology prevented us from being the girl...>>3491261>>3491262Don't forget OUR bullshit armor renders us somewhat safe from the Gate of Bablyon.Hot damn, we're one hell of a servant.
>>3491265>can avoid skewering from GoB with cloak>can cut him with sword and superior combat skills>Enkidu is useless against us and also subject to cloak.Ea almost certainly kills us but Ea kills everyone.
>>3491269We're also not Divine so his chains wouldn't be as strong, giving us a chance (read: infinitesimal) to resist them.
>>3491272Not necessarily. We might end up fucking over the world of imaginary numbers, but if we covered ourself properly we might be able to at least dodge a blast or two.>>3491273Also, cloak and sword can cut them.
>>3491273PfftEnkidu is worthless against non divine targets.It's just a chain.We have B rank strength and a portal cloak.
>>3491272Enkidu wouldn't be an option to begin with, since we have no Divinity.>>3491270One of our friends would be an ideal Master, in the order Truvi > Matsuda = Ogawara.
>>3491270I want us to serve Vaisset until a viable and significantly better alternative comes along- regardless of whether or not he is a brainlet, as we with that bitching Mind’s Eye True (B) can carry. I want us to convince him to team up with another master/servant pair, because that worked awful well last time. Remember, if we get that wish we can absolutely get back our servants. I wonder how sweets will write the now human Rushorou losing them...
>>3491270>If Gil felt like it, he'd do it for sure.Caster Gil would probably be down.
>>3491278The true order is Matsuda>>>> Truvi >Ogawara
>>3491282No Kikuko?She's brainwashed to be loyal.
>>3491282This, bros before hoes/bishis.
All this talk of Gilgamesh has made me realize the dark truth of this new chapter of the quest.>Now that Rushorou is the Saber, everyone will want to fuck/be fucked by him
It seems like we stick to the traditional paradigm Saber > Archer > Lancer > Saber so far: we're built to take down Archers but a faster Lancer can outmaneuver and dismember us if (s)he's careful.
>>3491290>spoilerNah, we (thankfully) aren't a Seibaface.
>>3491290>implying this wasn't already true
>>3491291>FasterAgility A anon, I doubt there’s gonna be a A+ speed lancer around
The real question is are we a 5* SSR?
>>3491294I think even Truvi wanted a piece of us for a bit before losing Lancer.
Also, don’t get too cocky about our stats boys. Akeldama!Saber was pretty great stats-wise, and we all know how that turned out for him.
I just realized that we came 1 short of bringing every relevant female onto our campus.>>3491313Okay, but we aren't dumb.
>>3491313Saber got fucked over by a crit fail and then he got killed because we killed his master and he ran out of gas. He was hardly a slouch, but he also wasn't bright.Also none of that kick-ass B-rank Mind's Eye (True).
>>3491297Some Lancers with A+ Speed:>Diarmuid>Old Li Shuwen>Fionn>Proto-Cu>Enkidu (if summoned by Alaya or sacrificing a rank in Constitution)Let's also include Lancers who could potentially or definitely increase their Agility above A with Magecraft:>F/SN Cu>ScathachThat's not accounting for whatever Sweets has cooked up.I can also compile a list of every canon Servant that's faster than us.>>3491313He died because he lost his Master to a vastly superior combatant, not because of his own faults.
>>3491319>>3491323>>3491325That’s what I’m saying. Even if our stats are amazing, w/o that IA goodness if our master goes so do we. We have to be a smidge more careful with ourself than Master Rushorou was, as there are two lose conditions in this iteration of the quest (and I doubt we get Tiger Dojo if the master perishes)
>>3491332Hopefully, we won't be stupid enough to let Vaisset try to solo a goddamn combat homunculus.
>>3491338>”Master go in your corner while I, RUSHOROU, destroy the second shittiest Servant and second shittiest master in the world”Lel
The real kicker is if we're able to go spiritual form or not.I shouldn't have to tell you why.would you whale for our boy?
We should probably try learning how to master our NPs before fighting any Servants.
>>3491365I'd guess not.Not even our boy could make me whale. Save, sure, but not whale.>>3491382Yeah, gonna need to figure out names first. Can't really unleash their power otherwise.On that note, how do you think Servants will react to their NPs being cut like butter?
>>3491382>Sword>Same cloak as in life, but biggerSeems pretty ez to me>>3491387Depends, but generally with a “NANI!?!”
>>3491387>>3491392With a side of "BAKANA!"Lategame us is pretty ridiculous, now that I think about it.
>>3491365>>3491387would our boy be SSR? Where would he be on the tier list? I imagine Conceptual Biology clears all debuffs and possibly gives immunity to them for a few turns. Minds Eye (true) is just defend and dodge and Charisma is Charisma.NP is either Sword or Sword + Cloak at the same timeSword would probably ignore defence, defence buffs and invincibility on a single unit and if the cloak is used too it probably gives invincibility in some way.
>>3491392>>3491400"SANADA BEEEACH"
>>3491422I don't think we're gonna fight Joseph Joestar, anon.
I suppose any Servant with a way to kill us without needing to touch us would be a problem.
>>3491437We got a big boy cape and B rank magic resist to deal with range now. Course, we just killed Caster.So both our class skills are worthless.But!We look cool as shit.
>>3491432Who knows, we haven't seen anything of Outer Archer yet.
>>3491446Remember, some NPs are Magecraft. Those might be blocked. MIGHT
>>3491446No, I'm talking about Servants like Medusa, who do not need to touch us to kill us, period.
>>3491474>We kinda counter Gil>But Medusa counters usUgh...We'll probably have to work with another Servant.
>>3491494You do realise this isn't in fact the F/sn war.As much as it would be hilarious to cut Excalibur in two.
>>3491494Yeah, I was only using her as an example of what can fuck us.
>>3491501>>3491506I know, I'm also talking about the general case.Probably should've made that clearer.
>>3491446Well, at the very least, other masters will struggle to use magic on us. That means the possible loli Tohsaka won't be able to kill us by pumping us full of gems, if nothing else.>>3491474>>3491506Medusa might not be able to petrify us, actually. We have B-rank Magical Energy and B-rank Magic Resistance, so we could feasibly resist Cybele's petrification (though we'd still get pressured). And if she tries to hit us with Bellerophon, we can just answer with a shoulder check.
>>3491506Unless we get our other two servants back yeah, we're gonna have to watch out.But if they somehow do make it?Fun times.
>>3491522>But if they somehow do make it?Anon, I....
>>3491526Anon shut the fuck up.Circe is there, if there's anyone who can figure something out it's her.
>>3491526>Inb4 the scream is Vaisset freaking out because our servants just appearedWe can always look at our hands to see if we still have the command seals. Judas did give us an extra pair, after all.
>>3491540Yeah but one problem.He might command us to attack them.
>>3491579Just knock him out before he gets that thought.
>>3491580We just use our Magic Resistance and ridiculous [PRIDE] to resist.
>>3491579We can refuse unless he uses a command seal, and if he does use a command seal then a) we can try to resist it and b) we're betraying the ever-loving shit out of him first chance we get. Dumbass summoned Judas Iscariot so he shouldn't have much of a problem with it.
>>3491597>"Hold on dipshit, those are my servants.">"What?">"Master of Caster, I am your servant, the Master of Caster: Saber."
Where's Sweets? Is he sleeping at 10.00 in the morning???
>>3491618Anon.Timezones.
>>3491621No he's right. Sweets lives on the West coast of burgerland.
>>3491621He's on Pacific Time, iirc. It's 10.00 AM there...
>>3491618My last update was after 4AM, cut me some slack.
>>3491630These people don't know the pain of QMs that go missing for multiple days.Or weeks.Or months. I'm looking forward to the continuation, but no rush.
>>3491630No, this is an unforgivable crime, how dare you take six whole hours to write an update??? I'M LEAVING not really
>>3491636>>These people don't know the pain of QMs that go missing for multiple days.>>Or weeks.>>Or months.>implyingFuck, where did the worm quests go? This is all I have now.
>>3491630Shut up, writeslave. Back to the sweatshop with you.
>>3491624...and yes, it is 10:11 here now. >>3491195For comparison, this puts you an inch shorter and 3KG lighter than Lancelot, and an inch taller than F/SN Archer.>>3491270>Vaisset is almost certainly a brainlet, since it never even occurred to him that Caster might not be able to make the Akeldama work.Remember that for him, no time has passed since activating the NP. Whether he considered it might fail or not, he has plenty of reason to be surprised.>>3491540>We can always look at our hands to see if we still have the command seals.Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.
>>3491648>he knows my painRip Nazi, Wendigo and everything else. It's a cursed setting.
>>3491652>For comparison, this puts you an inch shorter and 3KG lighter than Lancelotfuck>and an inch taller than F/SN Archer.EMILET ON SUICIDE WATCH FUCK YEAH>Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.We can just dematerialize that real quick after the battle, yeah?
>>3491640>six whole hoursJoke's on you, I'm only starting to write now.
>>3491652>an inch taller than F/SN Archer>we can make fun of Archer for being a manletWhat a great timeline to be in.>he has plenty of reason to be surprisedFair enough. I guess he didn't really get a good read on how Akeldama really works before telling Caster to hop to it.>Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.I'm aware, but since we can will our armor into and out of existence because servant, we can take care of that shortly.
>>3491608I think we'd be (at least inwardly) overjoyed at seeing our friends again. Oh, it'd be nice to see Truvi too, I guess.
>want to edit that Agravain image>can only find an ant sized versionI'm the world's angriest man.
>>3491680Yeah, I didn't post the crappy quality version because I like fuzzy images.
>>3491670We can also make fun of him that we're actually a Saber and he isn't.
>>3491685And also that we aren't an Alayacuck.And our girlfriend's a better Magus than his.And our NPs counter him.And we're a better driver.And not an infinitely worse cook.
>>3491696That last one is up for debate.To put the final nail in the coffin, we need to get more bitches than him. That means at least 5 total to outclass his 4. We've got 2 in the bag.
>>3491696>our NPs counter himI don't know...He probably can't copy and use them considering they are linked to our element and origin.But the asshole is Gil Lite in what his arsenal actually includes.
>>3491696>we're a better driver.You've never driven, so...
>>3491708Can't be bad at something if you never do it.
>>3491708Consolation Riding E still makes us 10x better than average.Or some shit.Also have we really never used a bicycle?
>>3491704We already kinda fuck over Gil's arsenal, as was covered previously.Imagine what we'll do to Gil Lite.>>3491708We have consolation Riding, he doesn't
>>3491717We fuck over Gil because Gil spams like a retard.Archer's range is just unfair.
It really would come down to how long you can sustain your Noble Phantasm.
>>3491696Oh, and we outmatch him physically.>EMIYA:>Strength D>Endurance C>Agility C>Yumigawa:>Strength B>Endurance C>Agility A
>>3491722Honestly in actual melee he dies insanely quickly against us.
Folks, remember how I said later on in Fate/City Akeldama that I'd ranked Perseus' battle continuation too high for how I actually wanted him to function?
>>3491729Yeah?
>>3491729I-Yes....why?
>>3491729>our everything is ranked too highSweets, kindly don't
I wrote your character sheet in the middle of the night, and made a couple of minor errors. Just tweaking two details.
>>3491740Oh god no not this.
>>3491747Oh god no not the nerfhammer.Save me EMIYA!
>>3491747>Agility down to B>Eye of the Mind down to CNot that bad after all.
>>3491757
>>3491757Now we DEFINITELY have to be more careful.
>>3491757That’s honestly a massive debuff to the stats I trusted, damn. Oh well, guess we’re just going to have to break out those NPs earlier.
>>3491776It really is not, B-Rank stats are still quite good. Consider some of the other Sabers with B-Rank Strength and Agility.
>>3491757Ouch. I think losing that rank in Mind's Eye (True) hurts a lot more than one in Agility. Still a respectable statline, but considering how broken all servants are by nature it's sad to see them go. We'll need every advantage we can get.The status sheet says we had E-rank Mind's Eye as a human. Didn't we end up with rank D after our second spar with Matsuda, or did we get a boost in a different stat and I'm just remembering wrong?
>>3491830>spoilerAgility.
>>3491830AgilityAnd yeah, the Mind’s Eye is the one I care more about. With the way Archer, Akeldama or FSN, performs, it’s going to be missed.
>>3491830>>3491837After thinking about it, I decided that having Mind's Eye (True) on par with those two is just a bit too much for our new Saber. You may have been buffed by Judas' power, but you definitely aren't as battle-hardened as counter guardian Emiya.
Drawing your sword, you rush back the way you came, rapidly descending back into Vaisset's basement workshop. Although you may be uncertain of the Master-Servant relationship here, the fact that he's your energy supply is clear. As you head down the stairs, the steep angle of the corridor blocking your view of the room, you call, "Magus, what's going on?"When the room does come into view what greets your eyes is not carnage, but a scene of minor domestic discord. Vaisset stands face to face with a furious teenage girl, with blue eyes and black shoulder-length hair. She's wearing a school uniform with a navy sweater and orange ribbon, and there are several burned holes in both the sweater and the skirt. "Nii-san, now I'll have to have my uniform replaced again! Can't you be more careful with your work?""Ayaka, I have told you repeatedly not to come in here when I'm working," he replies, "If you ruin your clothing because you insist on bringing it somewhere dangerous, that's really your responsibility. Just why are you wearing a school uniform at this time of night, anyway?""It's a replacement for the last one you ruined! This just arrived today, and I wanted to make sure it fit!" She sighs heavily. "Honestly, Nii-san, I can't believe you. How is it you never manage to ruin your own clothing, but my uniform gets burnt every time I come to see what you're up to?"Clearly the two siblings are too caught up in their own argument to have noticed your shout. A bit embarrassed, you sheathe your sword and take a look around. There's a large burn mark on Vaisset's worktable, which makes the course of events plain enough. Apparently after you left to examine your new form, Vaisset simply went back to working. Turning to go, Vaisset's sister finally notices you and stops in her tracks. She takes a half-step back, eyes widening in sudden alarm at the stranger in her home. "Nii-san, who is that?" she asks quietly, watching you for signs of aggression. At the same time, you really notice her. More specifically, the details of her uniform. It's the winter uniform for girls at your high school! You don't recognize the girl personally, but she looks like a first or second year, so you wouldn't know her.>[ ] Write in your response.
>>3491850>"Oh, don't mind me, your brother just wanted tips for cosplaying so I came round to show him my outfit. My professional handle is Saber, maybe you've heard of me?"Hey.It worked on Taiga.And if she knows enough about magic she'll know just what we are.
>>3491850"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."A member of our own (former) student body? This is interesting. Did Truvi ever mention to us that mage families are only supposed to have a single heir?>>3491845It makes perfect sense, but god damn if high-ranking Mind's Eye (True) isn't desirable.Speaking of servant adderall, does anybody know the difference between Mind's Eye (False) and Instinct? I've been trying to figure it out since reading FSN and I just don't see it.
>>3491850>I am SABER, familiar of Jean-Pierre Vaisset, summoned to achieve total victory in the HOLY GRAIL WAR. >our high school O boi, now we double have to win this.
>>3491898>going full autismo on somebody who might not even be aware of magecraft.C-can you not?
>>3491899But anon, I must
>>3491890>"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."Forgot to greentext this and it felt wrong.>>3491898>telling someone who might not know>sperging out when we don't even technically know if Vaisset is our master even though he totally isRushorou is a bit more controlled than that, you know.
>>3491890This doesn’t seem like the most professional of mage families...
>>3491890>Did Truvi ever mention to us that mage families are only supposed to have a single heir?She didn't mention it.
On the one hand, our Master just condemned 1000 people to their deaths.On the other hand he doesn't seem too bad.
>>3491904Yeah. Shitty as mages are, I doubt that a proper mage would ever decide on summoning the world's most infamous traitor as a loyal servant. Vaisset has also displayed a rather significant lack of understanding about how the Akeldama works and, apparently, an ineptitude profound enough to do constant damage to his sister's wardrobe. This guy needs some help.>>3491909Given how he's been acting so far, I don't think he actually understood Akeldama all that well. He probably told Judas to hop to it as soon as Judas said that Akeldama could win them the war hands-down and didn't give him a chance to explain how things really work. Judas himself said he was pretty much rushed into activating his NP.>>3491906Okay, then Rushorou wouldn't know about that. Thanks.
>>3491913We can judge him from his reaction that 1046 (mostly) innocent people are dead by his order.The other surviving Servants have gone missing.And we don't quite know where the 4 humans are.It's possible that they were all killed when the Akeldama collapsed.
>>3491929Sweets has said that we'd return to the exact moment in time when Akeldama began, and from there I expect the survivors would return to their previous positions as well. I think the fact that we appeared where Caster was when Akeldama began after we "took his place" testifies to that. Odds are they're alive. We may want to test whether or not that's true by stopping by Matsuda's high school at some point.
>>3491936Then...Where the fuck are Caster and Berser-...Oh no.
>>3491941>everyone returns to where they were before being summonedNow, where do Servants come from?please let me be wrong
I don't know how much you want to trust him, but for what it's worth, Judas did say that your Servants would be sustained in the outside world by your existence.
>>3491971>Circe is in fuckoff Mediterranean >Adelheid is in the Fuhrerbunker
>>3491983Well now that would be "fun."Well I hope she enjoys THE ABSOLUTE STATE of Germany in that case. Maybe we should ask our master to turn on the news.
So far we have nobody voting for anyone else's response, making this a three-way tie. It's still wide open for new responses or arguments for what you've written.
>>3491890>>3491901Gonna go ahead and support this. It would probably embarrass our Master by making him out to be a LARPing NEET but it's better than nothing.
>>3492030Here goes.>>3491883A good one-off excuse, but it doesn't explain the fact that we're going to be around quite often and it might obliterate Ayaka's reputation of us right off the bat.>>3491898We don't need her thinking we're a chuuni, either.
>>3492030Ey, woke up just in time to break the tie.
>>3491890>>"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."You know Sweets, I figured I would miss a little bit when I hit the hay last night. Didn't think it would be the start of a new quest.
>>3491850>>3491898I’ll switch to ID’s
>>3492069Sorry about the timing, then. I think I explained my reasoning for breaking it off there at the end of the last thread, though. I hope you got the chance to vote on the "form of power" decision.
"My apologies," you say with a slight bow, "I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future.""Sa-" Ayaka starts, before snapping her mouth shut and turning to her brother again. She whispers, too loudly to keep you from hearing, "I thought you said you'd summoned Caster, Nii-san! What's going on? Did you actually manage to get the strongest Servant, Saber?"With the burden of explaining a situation he doesn't fully understand now shifted to him, Vaisset coughs into his fist. "Ahem. I... thought that I had summoned Caster, Ayaka, but it seems that there was a bit of a misunderstanding. It's getting rather late; why don't you go to bed, and I'll explain the situation in the morning. Once Saber and I have had a chance to discuss matters."Ayaka pouts, but doesn't protest. "If you say so, Nii-san. I think this is a real improvement for you, though." The girl walks up to you, heading for the stairs, but stops again in front of you, examining you up close for the first time. Staring uncomfortably hard at your face, in fact, her glasses taking on the character of a different kind of lens. Under her breath, almost inaudibly, she mutters, "President Yumigawa...?" Then she shakes her head, blinking rapidly. Without looking again, she pushes past you ascends into the rest of the house."Well, now you've met my sister," Vaisset says, once she's gone. "Would you care to introduce yourself to me, Saber? And while you're at it, to explain why you're here in Caster's place?"You shake your head, cutting off any further questions. "I have to begin with a few questions of my own, Magus," you say. "First, are you Jean-Pierre Vaisset, the Master of Caster? The man who ordered the use of the Noble Phantasm Akeldama?""I am indeed," he replies indignantly, "but I should expect you'd know that before appearing here. Just what is this all about? How could another Servant have become involved with Caster's ritual?"Unmoved by his questions, you continue your own interrogation. "In that case, I suppose you are to be my Master. Now then, how much do you know about the workings of Akeldama?""From what Caster told me, it's a ritual-based Noble Phantasm which allows him to instantaneously and surreptitiously drain the life force from a large number of people. The influx of power, he said, would allow him to win the war easily. Naturally, I had him activate it immediately. Now, I was prepared for some sort of spectacular transformation, but not for him to be replaced by an entirely different Servant. So who are you, and what's going on?" From the sound of it, Vaisset is almost completely ignorant of Judas' true nature. This gives you a fair amount of leeway in terms of handling the situation.
>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)>[ ] Keep the truth of the matter to yourself and give Vaisset a cover story. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Say something else (write in)
>>3492187>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)But can we skip on mentioning that we were in fact a Master and that other servants survived?
>>3492192>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)Leave whether or not we were a Master or a Servant ambiguous >The girl walks up to you, heading for the stairs, but stops again in front of you, examining you up close for the first time. Staring uncomfortably hard at your face, in fact, her glasses taking on the character of a different kind of lens. Under her breath, almost inaudibly, she mutters, "President Yumigawa...?" Then she shakes her head, blinking rapidly. Without looking again, she pushes past you ascends into the rest of the house.Damn, she knows
>>3492200Yeah, just give him the tl;dr:>We were summoned to participate in the Akeldama "Grail War", hosted by Caster>we defeated Caster at the end of the WarHere we are. If he asks what our name is, just say "I don't know".
>>3492192>[ ] Keep the truth of the matter to yourself and give Vaisset a cover story. (Self-Preservation)Judas used the Akeldama to get the honorable death he wanted and wasn't interested in fighting in your war. So instead I'm here. Luckily for you, I'm very interested in fighting in this war. That's all you need to know for now.
>>3492230This is also good.
>>3492192>[ ] Give him specific details.Explain the basic function of Akeldama and that Caster hosted a Grail War within to get more power.Though Caster's plan was to kill everyone inside, we managed to outsmart him and kill him inside his own world.Due to the effect of Akeldama, we've been given Caster's place in an actual Holy Grail War.Tell him he should be thankful for the upgrade.Leave out whether we were master or servant. If he asks what our name is, say that we either don't know or that it's up for debate.
>>3492237Supporting. Switch from >>3492200
>>3492237>If he asks what our name is, say that we either don't know or that it's up for debate.Quick question, Sweets: did anyone ever explain to Rushorou that servants can come from the past, present, and future? As far as I know, Caster only said past, but if we know otherwise we can tell him the truth: Our name doesn't matter because we aren't a hero yet.
>>3492216>inb4 his sister was one of our secret admirers at school.No idea how she saw through our new face or non manlet status.Same voice?Alternatively, magical bullshit.
>>3492253No, you're only familiar with the idea of Servants coming from the past.
>>3492237Switching.
>>3492255It’s magical bullshit anon
>>3492276Geez, Sweets is such a hack.
>>3492276We could just say we've got a name hiding Noble Phantasm.Could also say that we "were" Yumigawa until we were modified into an unknown servant.
>>3492289"The man known as Yumigawa Rushorou is no more, he was one of the 1050 abducted by Caster's noble phantasm, in the process of attempting to survive the ordeal he came into contact with a lesser grail which irreversibly altered his existence into me. My true name is something even I do not know, likely a result of Caster's summoning methods for the servants, perhaps I am a hero lost to the annals of history."Or something.
>>3492328I say we say nothing. She wants to confront the 6’2” armored servant about being a Japanese schoolboy? She can be my guest.
>>3492361Actually when you put it this way we probably don't have anything to worry about.Though if she DOES say something we should prepare some excuses.Maybe her magical glasses are on the fritz.Maybe Yumigawa himself messed with them.He might secretly be a magus?
>>3492368Instead, I think we should prepare some snide or teasing comments, preferably with a dash of irony.Something like "If you think this 'Yumigawa' resembles me, he must be quite the man."Alternatively, we can tell her (some of) the truth so she doesn't get as suspicious that Rushorou mysteriously disappeared right around the time of Akeldama. We can say that Yumigawa Rushorou was a master in the Akeldama Grail War. The last we'd heard of him was that he'd been attacked by Archer and Rider shortly before we killed Caster and ended Akeldama.
Working so no updates for a while, FYI.>>3492368>Maybe her magical glasses are on the fritz.You didn't notice magic from the glasses. When I said they took on the character of another lens, it was just a flowery way of saying it felt like you were under a microscope.
>>3492192>>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)
Ok how does this work?I couldn't get rid of the fucking fur because it's kind of an essential design element but I did my best
>>3492528Breddy gud, though I thought our eyes were Einzbern red.
>>3492556Ok fixed the eyes and made the hair a little whiter
>>3492564Naisu.Also, speaking about a harem...>inb4 all of them are of questionable physical ageWe seem to have a knack for that, even if it was unintentional.
>>3492578>Truvi- Adolescent/Teenager proper>Adelheid- Child>Circe- Teenagerish>Ayaka- teenager
>>3492580>including TruviI think she fell out after Perseus jobbed, so that 2/3.
>>3492187>random girl who goes to our school manages to discern our identity by looking at us really hard>despite the face that we look immensely different>we don't sense any magic Did we have a fucking stalker?A magus stalker?Is this why EMIYA never interacts with Taiga or Sakura?
>>3492587Hey, I was talking about attracting girls of questionable age, not a shit harem shenanigans
>>3492591Fair enough.
What are the odds of the inevitable Einzbern trying to study/dissect us?
>>3492591It's possible that Truvi might somewhat like us again after we tried to honour our alliance after revealing that the whole war was a fucking lie and we were all set up to fail.We were the only person who didn't trust that dickhead priest from the start.And then after finally killing him he fucking japed us and managed to totally fuck us over.God knows what that shit looked like to everyone else >"You can hear cries of shock and rage from the people around you, but sound too loses its cohesion, its meaning"They sounded pretty mad about it too.Not sure if that includes Truvi.We made it pretty clear we fucking knew we were about to get fucked over too but weren't really given a choice in the matter.Fucking Judas.>>3492600We're actually a servant now so they can fuck right off with that shit.Just a coincidence.I wonder if what we currently are is the peak of what we'll ever be or if we can still get stronger.A shame the gloves didn't manifest as a skill or something.
LMao, just realized sweets linked part nine in op rather than 10
Hmm.>Hitler and Longinus in same war>Cowboy and Pirate in the same war ending with Cowboy VS PirateNeat.
I got wondering about our sword. What WOULDN'T it be able to cut besides Ea and Avalon?
>>3492689God Hand and Armour of Fafnir? They both act as conceptual defenses (God Hand blocks anything below A Rank, Armour of Fafnir reduces incoming damage by 40 where 40 = B Rank).
>>3492689Nothing, b/c it’s not cutting so much as it is transporting a thin strip of stuff to the realm of imaginary numbers. Things Rushorou can’t hit I suppose.
>>3492689Maybe Alcides' pelt of the Nemean Lion?But it's not really a sword or the product of Human Civilization."armor that cannot be pierced by any tool created by humans"It was created by grailfuckery.But I'm not entirely certainBasically Herc will fuck our shit up no matter what.>>3492697Armour of Fafnir too yeah.But honestly we won't know it's limits until we actually try it.
>>3492689Maybe our cloak if it's active too? No idea how that interaction would play out.
>>3492711Ah yesthe ultimate suicide attack of Yumigawa Rushorou"put the bag of holding into the bag of holding"
>>3492689Could we cut through reality marble bullshit? Would our portal-sword be able to disrupt the energies enough for that?>>3492697Hmm. I hope we either manage to get stronger as a Servant, or manage ways around negation passives like those If we run Into them.
>>3492710It is technically made by Akeldama, and therefore a product of human artifice. It's safe to assume that the weapon must be explicitly natural in origin to cut through the Pelt.
Actually what we might be missing out on Is that we have B rank Magical energy as a Saber.We might want to put some of that energy to use, using our element magecraft style, If possible. There's a potential beam attack right there, or better yet extend our swords effect via portal to go for the 'long ranged Invisible slash attack'.
>>3492724If only we could FIND CIRCE.
>>3492724>>3492729Hey, if we still have them and still have a connection to our Servants, Judas was kind enough to give us two extra command spells.In the meantime, we could probably have Vaisset teach us reinforcement magic as a way to put our ridiculous magical energy to use. Even if both our servants are alive and getting 50 circuits' worth of magical energy each, we'll still have more than an average mages' circuits leftover.
>>3492729>Akeldama falls apart>everything is black>open eyes>BACK ON THIS FUCKING ISLAND GOD DAMN IT>oh wait I'm not trapped anymore>time to find Rushorou~Would almost be as fun as Adelheid blowing up the Reichstag out of pure raeg.We can only really wonder where they are.That is, if they ARE at all.Judas said they'd continue to exist but who knows?I hope he was being truthful and all the shit we did wasn't ultimately irrelevant.
>>3492738Oh, NOW you want to learn Reinforcement?
>>3492741Transference carried later on in the battle and gifted us an NP, don’t even anon
>>3492741We had Circe in Akeldama. Learning reinforcement would have been a waste. Now we don't have Circe.And don't even pretend transference didn't absolutely fucking save us with command spell memes. Caster and Adelheid might have even survived because of it.
>>3492744>>3492748I'm just saying, we could've done both...
>>3492748O MY MAGIC TRANSFERENCE
>>3492751We could have, but reinforcement still would have been a waste of time because we had no reason to believe we'd get turned into a fucking saber servant with B-rank magical energy. Only now, in hindsight, can we look back and say it would have been ultimately beneficial.Gonna need to find some way to put that stat to use, for sure.>>3492761O MY MELTED LOCK
>>3492771At least we have lots of Magic to fuel our NP.
>>3492789the mana stat only controls how much mana we can use not what we have. we need to rely on a master to have "lots of magic" to fuel our NP
>>3492771I just like that we're basically the jack of all trades Saber.Sword and Board kinda.>Good sword >Good defensive armament >both are actually portals to the fuck you dimension Additionally our stats are ok.I'm sad we seem to have lost the gloves of lern 2 fight.
>>3492810Maybe that was what gave us the two ranks in Mind's Eye.
>>3492799Anon, Jean might be a pretty good Master to have supported Judas' Reality Marble (I can only assume that's what Akeldama is). The cost of organizing and maintaining the Inner Grail War could've been pretty high, instantaneous nature notwithstanding.
>>3492814The Akeldama did that>>3492823No way sweets gifts us a good master, we’re going to have to deal with decent/10 stats and a retard to compensate for the infallibility, invincibility, and perfection of RUSHOROU.
>>3492835>The Akeldama did thatWell, yes, but I'm saying the two ranks were derived from the fightan gloves
>>3492863Based on the word of god (Sweets), the Akeldama just straight buffed a skill we earned in life by being a pretty good commander. Really, beyond the skills being present on the stat sheet I don’t think anything Rushorou did in Akeldama influenced his Servant stats overmuch.
So quick summary what is going on?
>>3493059We killed Cid (who was actually Judas), took his place in the Outer Grail War as Saber #2 and it turns out our Master is Ayaka's older brother.
>>3492874Charisma D was derived from your command abilities in Akeldama.Mind's Eye (True) C was derived from a combination of factors. The Gloves of Muscle Memory enhanced your learning ability enough for you to develop Mind's Eye (True) E, and when you became a Servant your potential for further development through them was sublimated into Mind's Eye (True) C.
>>3493059I can summarize, but how much have you missed?
>>3493067Quite a bit. I got the gist so far though.
>>3493071What's the last thing you remember?
>>3493074getting summoned and a scream but I just read up. Good now.
I need to go to sleep earlier than usual, so I'd like to propose a little to-do list since I won't be able to participate tonight:>Check our arm for command spells, but don't let Jean or Ayaka see.>If the spells are there, check for the telepathic connection to our servants, but be careful not to accidentally contact our master instead. This should be avoidable by asking something without using our servant's names, like a simple "Are you there?" when we have the mental image of them in our head for telepathic communication.>Test whether or not we can dematerialize. My guess is it's impossible for us since we're not actually dead yet, much like Saber from FSN.>Get some other clothes to walk around in that aren't the armor we're wearing. We'll draw enough attention from the fact that we're a 6'2" foreigner-looking guy.
>>3493170Yeah, this is all good.Of course, we don't have to find casual clothes if we can dematerialize.
>>3493170>Get some other clothes to walk around in that aren't the armor we're wearing.I'm sure Vaisset has a yellow raincoat somewhere.
As you may have noticed from my ID, I'm finally back home! Now writing >>3492237.
>>3493170>Check for command sealsWhich if we have them can be an ace in the hole.
"Akeldama was not simply a ritual to harvest energy, Mr. Vaisset. It created its own world, the private domain of Caster, cut off from space and time." You keep your tone flat and authoritative as you explain, probing his face for any sign of deception or recognition. "To that world, Caster summoned over a thousand humans and nine Servants, including himself. He held his own private Holy Grail War, lasting ten days, the object being to see every summoned being dead. That was how he intended to absorb our energy, Mr. Vaisset; by our sacrifice.""Well, that's quite the strange ability," Vaisset says, visibly energized by curiosity. "Most unusual indeed. From the sound of it, it wasn't a Reality Marble, as they layer their effects over ordinary space-time, rather than being cut off. Could he truly have created an entirely separate world?" As he says this, Vaisset's attention drifts from your face; he seems to be focused more on the inner world of magical theory. Then his eyes snap back to yours. "Ah, but excuse me; I was becoming distracted. How did you manage to survive, Saber?" This is said in quite the conversational tone, as if the idea such a question might offend never crosses his mind."On the tenth day of the Grail War, I was able to discover Caster's scheme and kill him inside his world. I wasn't sent back, however. Instead, the effect of Akeldama bound me to his role in the true Holy Grail War, out here: the role of your Servant." You fold your arms over your chest and grin smugly down at him. "Frankly, you should be grateful for the upgrade. Caster wasn't much of a fighter, you know."Vaisset pauses for a few breaths, staring off into space and muttering, "...and to think, all that happened in no more than a moment. I turned my back here, and for a thousand people ten days passed. Chronomancy on an unprecedented scale! Most incredible." Then he finds his voice, and returns to decent eye contact. "I suppose I truly am your Master then, Saber. I hope ours will prove to be a truly productive partnership." The magus extends his hand, and you give it a firm shake. "As do I, Mr. Vaisset. As do I." With a flourish, you draw your sword, holding the black blade point-upward, the hilt at your chest. Again, the words of a Servant seem to come to you by instinct. "Though I was not brought forth according to your summons, our contract is complete. From this time forward, my sword shall be with you and your fate shall be with me.""Wonderful, wonderful," Vaisset says in a mild tone quite at odds with the superlative. "I'm sure we will achieve great things together. Now, er, what is your name, Saber? Which heroic spirit are you? The War may not be in full swing yet, but that doesn't excuse us from making plans; I'll need to know your abilities.""..." You don't answer. You remain silent, your lips tightly shut in a frown.
"Saber?" Vaisset gives you a confused look. "I'm asking you a question, you know. You just swore to our partnership, didn't you? This is something rather important."You heave a sigh. "...that's something I can't tell you, Mr. Vaisset.""Huh?" Vaisset's eyes widen in shock. "Now why on earth-""I can't answer the question of who I am, because..." You trail off, putting on a troubled frown. Vaisset just waits, eying you expectantly. "It's... because I don't know myself.""You don't- what? Saber, is this some kind of joke? If you're putting me on, I swear..." Though he'd been warming to you, Vaisset is now back to his former indignant fury. "Oh, it's no joke," you say with a grave expression. "I'm afraid you can blame your Caster for the circumstances of my summoning. It seems my memory is confused. I know who I am as a Servant, but things like my name and origin are a bit vague..." Shifting to a placating smile, you continue, "they're trivial matters, in any case. You needn't worry about it.""Needn't worry? Of course I'm worried! Without knowing your identity, I can't gauge your strength as a Servant or plan for your abilities! How do you expect me to do my job as a Master with your identity unknown?""Oh, that's no problem," you say, still smiling. "My strength is already proven, after all. I defeated Caster, the Servant you'd summoned previously, in a world of his own design. Whatever my identity may be, I can promise you that my power is beyond reproach."This rationale is apparently unsatisfying, as Vaisset sinks his head into his hands. "Ooh," he groans, "I can't take much more of this. In one day, my summoning goes haywire, the Servant who appears fails his first task, my synthetic elemental conversion blows up in my face, and I get a replacement with no memories! This is the end for me tonight. I need some sleep." Straightening up and turning on his heel, he quickly heads for the exit. At the last moment he stops, turning back to you. "My apologies for the outburst," he says, "but I really am quite overstretched. Good night, Saber. Familiars don't sleep, I know, so why don't you just spend the night in your spirit form? We'll discuss the war further in the morning.""Sleep well, Mr. Vaisset," you reply, and he makes his exit. With his departure, you're free for the remainder of the night; however long that is. You were summoned in your sleep, of course, and from the sound of things it is late, but without your watch you don't have a clue about the specific hour.>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)>[ ] Explore the mansion. (Write in any particular focus) (Curiosity)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3493284>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)This might hurt but it shouldn't kill us, right?
>>3493284>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)>[ ] Explore the mansion. (Write in any particular focus) (Curiosity)Focus on the layout and whatever security measures Vaisset may have put in
Man, our Master didn't even bat an eye at the prospect of everybody practically dying.
>>3493302Pretty normal for a Magus...
>>3493303I'm more speaking from New Saber's perspective.
>>3493305Why would Yumigawa bat an eye at everyone dying? He doesn't give a fuck about anyone except the Yumisquad.Maybe he'll think about it while he explores the mansion?
>>3493309We have no prior experience with Magi besides Truvi, who was empathetic for a Magus, if not wrongly arrogant.
>>3493316So maybe he'll think about it.Or maybe he'll be more worried about his friends, now that the initial confusion is passing. It's up to Sweets
>>3493309>spoilerWe should probably try going into spirit form before contemplating going anywhere after it failing, which Saber wouldn't know that it would.
>>3493322What I'm saying is that we wouldn't know it would fail before we try, so why think about an alternative action until we do.Untie the vote, we seem to be the only ones here.
>>3493326Nothing tied about it, we're both voting to ghostify
I just realized that, due to Akeldama, nobody will really know that 1050 people have gone missing until 3-4 days later real-time. Ayaka will probably figure out who we were earlier, though.
>>3493331But what's her last name? Sajyou?
>>3491850>a furious teenage girl, with blue eyes and black shoulder-length hair. She's wearing a school uniform with a navy sweater and orange ribbonYup, we're in the Protoverse.
>>3493341Fuck you.
>>3493341So, which Fuyuki War is this?
>>3493341You're on the right track, but it's not quite the Prototype timeline. If you read a bit about the setting of Prototype, that should be clear.Also I confirmed in a previous thread that Fate/Stay Night happened in 2004 in this timeline.
>>3493348Yumigawa Rushorou lives in an upscale suburb of Tokyo. Ayaka attends your high school. You're pretty sure this house isn't in Fuyuki City.
>>3493349Oh, right. In that case it's undoubtedly a horrible mashup of Tsukihime, Fate/Strange Fake and Prillya
>>3493359What else explains Manaka being replaced by a frenchie?
>>3493284>Explore the mansionit won't hurt to see if there is anybody in danger nearby, also lets see if we still have command seals.
>>3493363Sorry I meant would be the danger as in another Servant.
>>3493359>horrible mashup
>>3493363You tied the vote, m8.
>>3493371Obviously we must explore the mansion while dematerialized.
Can we do both, Sweets?
>>3493375You can try dematerializing and then explore, sure. Right now I have a 3-way tie, though.
switching to >>3493300.
>>3493377Nah, we have:>>3493297 (Fade away)>>3493300 (Fade away, explore)>>3493363 (Explore)You have the option of counting it as choosing to fade away and then explore.
>>3493284>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)
You decide to begin by trying out what Vaisset asked you to do. You will yourself to dematerialize, for your physical body to vanish.Nothing happens. You try closing your eyes and focusing on the composition of your body, visualizing the flesh and bone that make up your material form and compelling them to transform into ephemeral spirit.Nothing happens. After a few more tries, you finally give up on the idea. However a Servant normally manages the transition between a physical body and a spirit form, it seems to be impossible for you to do so.With the matter of your spirit form brought to a disappointing conclusion, you resolve to explore Vaisset's mansion. As you make your way up and out of the basement workshop, you find yourself expecting the same meandering vastness you'd previously experienced while investigating the university. Vaisset's home, however, fails to delive. In fact, even the term "mansion" may be going too far. Rather than the sprawling palatial complex the word calls up in the mind, this place is really more of a very well-appointed house. It has three floors above ground as well as the basement, and across these four levels are spread eight bedrooms, three bathrooms, an office, a kitchen, a dining room, a living room, and a number of spare rooms used for storage. Although each room is luxuriously decorated, tastefully designed, and filled with antique furniture, the place as a whole still feels disappointingly compact when compared with the university.As you tour the home's layout, you also take note of the defenses that Vaisset has set up. There are multiple layers of bounded fields surrounding the property, each with its own effects. Given your amateur knowledge of magic you're unable to determine the nature of those abilities, however. In addition, you discover a number of crystals scattered about the house, all of which use transference magic to send visual and audio data to some kind of receiving device in Vaisset's workshop. If there are more defenses Vaisset has set up than these, you don't notice them. After your short exploration, there are still several hours of night remaining. You decide to spend the time by...>[ ] Finding a place to sleep. Servants may not need to, but you know from Adelheid and Circe that you can choose to sleep when you want to. (Pride)>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)>[ ] Investigating one of the house's rooms in more detail. (Pick one) (Curiosity)>[ ] Doing something else (Write in)
>>3493427>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)>Trying to contact Caster and Berserker. (Compassion?)
>>3493430Support?Let's hope this war doesn't have the Proto Servants. Specifically Arthur.We might be bad enough for 7 seals to unlock.
We've got two Noble Phantasms nowHow about we name one in Greek and one in German?Really get their noggins jogging.I'm thinking "Lückeklinge" for the sword (translates to Gap/Space/Breach/Loophole Blade in German)And Kenósmandýas for the cloak (Void Mantle in Greek.)Also Dream Cycle ought to be fun for our Master.
>>3493490I doubt we're AtwE bad, so I doubt Excalibur would be unleashed because of us; we're just an apathetic asshole, not something as bad as "an ancient evil awakens".
>>3493523We're still evil though.
>>3493525Okay but our acts of Evil were more "necessary", given the circumstances of the War. We would unlock 4, 5 if we want to play it fair.
When you think about it, the Saber class is almost always going to have some sort of chivalrous code they follow and lines they won't cross. Rushorou has not a single fuck to give and will happily act like an Assassin.
Okay, we might actually meet all the conditions if we don't fight dirty or (x)-on-one.
>>3493427>[ ] Finding a place to sleep. Servants may not need to, but you know from Adelheid and Circe that you can choose to sleep when you want to. (Pride)We aren't a normal servant
>>3493536To be fair, we were borne under dishonourable circumstances, due to our Chaotic opponents. Our first fight was relatively fair.>>3493427Supporting >>3493490.Pray that, if Arthur IS in this War, we get some sort of tell to actively avoid him because this game would be rigged from the start.
>>3493430>>3493427Support
>>3493538Nah, there's the condition that the enemy must be stronger than Arthur, which we most definitely aren't.
>>3493554>The enemy must not be anelemental>The battle must be one against evil>The battle must not be inhumane>The battle must be to live>The battle must be an honorable one (we were only ever dishonourable against the dishonourable)>The battle must be one-on-one (face it, we wouldn't refuse a duel unless we were aware of Excalibur's nature)That's half, not including the battle for truth or comrade-in-arms clauses.
>>3493554Or are you referring to the "all" part?
>>3493557Yes.>>3493556Luckily Arthur isn't as blast-happy as we are (or might be IF WE HAD A FUCKING SWORD BEAM) and his tiny one/two-seal blasts might even be weak enough that our cloak might lolnope them...
>>3493562I'm just saying that, if we fight him, we would very well lose.
>>3493564We could just go for his Master.Nobody would expect a Saber that looks as knightly as us to be an honourless prick.
>>3493564Obviously, yes, but our chances of winning aren't exactly 0%. We could plausibly (if very improbably) pull a narrow more likely pyrrhic victory out of our ass if we manage to surprise Arthur with the sword.
Get this anons- what if we do our best to ally with the outer Saber? Twice the protagonist points, double the sexual appeal!
If we're lucky he would not see us as a truly evil person (a sort of victim of circumstance) or someone capable of redemption.
>>3493575Though should we reunite with our two servants then victory is all but guaranteed no matter the opponent.
>>3493589Our alignment is literally "evil".I don't think Saber gets to decide on whether his opponent is evil or not.
>>3493590>victory is all but guaranteed no matter the opponentHey now, don't get too cocky on me. You know as well as I do that Noble Phantasms are complete bullshit and could easily turn this all around. I mean, our NPs are doors to a different dimension that we can use like The Hand. There could well be a servant with the NP equivalent of Mirror Force that just fucking obliterates his enemies if there are 3 or more servants, and then we're boned.
>>3493601Or maybe there’s a servant who has a semi-spammable ability which always strikes first and is damn near always a killshot, even against the strongest of servants.....
>>3493427>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)> Check your arm for your command spells. Make sure that none of the crystals see it when you do.So Vaisset is just your standard magus. That's quite disappointing. I feel like we should remind him next time he's mad at us for not being a standard servant that he summoned Judas Iscariot at first and really shouldn't have bet on him being a reliable partner. The only reason I don't feel like getting rid of the asshole who roped us into Akeldama for a better master at the first opportunity is because I'd feel bad depriving Ayaka of her brother.>>3493612You'd think Archer would have taught people to be a little more wary about what we're up against, but apparently not.
>>3493588Sometimes the Saber isn't the protagonist: F/SF (you can't tell who the fuck you're supposed to root for because having more than 7 Servants is always a bad idea), Apocrypha, F/GO (the trivial answer), Koha-Ace (Arturia's a Master and her Servant's Nobu),
>>3493617Eh, when you blow a guy up people tend to forget about him. Get this- what if we Get Ayaka, who is certainly the more competent magus because she’s the younger sibling to a sorta-bumbling brother, to become our master after Rushorou murders him. Everybody wins!
>>3493612pfft, what are the odds that archer is eastwood again
>>3493612I didn't think Cu would be in this war.Jokes asideOur cloak can stop Clint's Colt now anyway, probably.
>>3493623>>3493631Look, just remember that we’re Rushorou the Servant fighting other Inferior, lesser, diminutive in might and presence servants. Not Rushorou the superhuman massacring mere mortals.
>>3493632Of course.If Gil is in this war he might take an interest in us if he doesn't have our stuff in the Gate.
Do we have to activate our sword as a noble phantasm to use it at all? Or can we use it as a more normal sword without the imaginary numbers magic without invoking its name?
>>3493638I’m hoping it and the cloak are more passive NPs
>>3493638Well first we might actually need to name them.I've put forward my ideas.Got any suggestions?
>>3493638The latter.>>3493641The cloak is probably a normal cloak until we invoke its True Name.
>>3493642I’d like to name the cloak “Circe” and the sword “Adelheid”.
>>3493647That would be cute, but that would put them in some danger when they show up again wouldn't it?
>>3493656Yeah, that wouldn't be a good idea.
>>3493665That's why I suggested naming one in Greek and one in German.
>>3493642>SwordLeereErebus>CapeGinnungagap (fakeout option)Nacht
I also want to bring up the possibility that the NPs are at Rank C because we haven't set/don't know their true names, in the same way that Load Camelot (normally B++) goes down to Load Chaldeas (D) because Mashu doesn't use its real True Name.
>>3493681>B++Correction: B+++
Suggested Names so far:Cloak>Circe>Ginnungagap>Nacht>KenósmandýasSword>Leere>Erebus>Adelheid>Lückeklinge
>>3493622I'd be down if Ayaka wouldn't be liable to hate us for killing her brother. That said, fuck Jean.>>3493631>Our cloak can stop Clint's Colt now anyway, probably.Unlikely. He didn't use Colt .45 in the duel dead end, and the important part of Colt .45 always striking first is that means it always strikes.>>3493673I like your idea, but I think the name for the sword sounds a bit silly. I don't know German, though, so I'm going to struggle to offer a better name. Maybe "Trennen?" (German for sever/separate according to Google).>>3493647It might be possible to make it a more tangential connection. For example, we could call the cloak "Aeaea" as a nod to Circe and a very ghetto Avalon.
>>3493699>the important part of Colt .45 always striking first is that means it always strikesThe two times we saw him use it were against Perseus, a stationary target, and against Blackbeard, after getting in close. It seems more likely to me that Colt .45 just goes off first and his retarded Archer skillz let him score the hit every time.Still, we probably can't block it with the cloak because we'll be in the middle of an attack when he uses it.
>>3493717Adelheid's interpretation of Colt .45 was that it would always hit due to its nature.
>>3493717That’s the other thing- Archer is a major learning experience because he was a very smart combatant (Minds Eye True B, punks). As a servant we have to fight every fight assuming our opponent is capable of similar tactical feats, even if on the strategic level Rushorou is 100000000% superior.
>>3493730Adelheid's interpretation could've been wrong.Or it could've been right.>>3493731Yeah, we'll probably see a jump in Self-Preservation.
>>3493735Anon, it’s an NP. Adelheid’s interpretation is almost certainly correct.
>>3493739>Adelheid is a Servant and has NPs>She is therefore an expert on NPs and can understand an NP's mechanics just by observing it in actionI dunno, it seems sketchy to me.In any case, let's just put a pin in this, since there's no real point in arguing for either case when the end result is the same...
Diairon (Divider) sounds like a cool name for a sword but it would feel wrong to give or cloak a German name.
Say, what about Εξορίζων (Banisher) for the cloak?
>>3493797Pronounced Exorizon?I like it.Diairon sounds cool too.
>>3493797>EzorizonImagine saying that seriously
>>3493806Imagine saying Gay Bulge or Raw Anus seriously.
>>3493806I AM DAH BONE OF MA SWWORD
>>3493811>>3493813It just goes to show
Wait, I think I got a name for the sword: Einteilung.
>>3493848https://www.dict.cc/german-english/Einteilung.html>Einteilung {f}> classification> arrangement> graduation> division [planning, organization, time]Google Translate strikes again.
>>3493853Oh, the state of being would be (Auf)teilung.
>>3493855>VorschneiderThe same dictionary tells me that "Vorschneiden" means "carve (verb)".
So would Trennen and Exorizon work?
>>3493802I still like Exorizon (Greek for Banisher)Sword though...Raumkante? (German for Space edge)
>>3493868I feel like we should use a Greek name for the cloak to honor Circe and a German name for the blade to honor Adelheid
>>3493873>I feel like we should use a Greek name for the cloakAnon...
>>3493878DO NOT
>>3493879Anon, I....
>>3493879>>3493797
>>3493490>I'm thinking "Lückeklinge" for the sword (translates to Gap/Space/Breach/Loophole Blade in German)>And Kenósmandýas for the cloak (Void Mantle in Greek.)>>3493647>I’d like to name the cloak “Circe” and the sword “Adelheid”.>>3493674>>Sword>Leere>Erebus>>Cape>Ginnungagap (fakeout option)>Nacht>>3493699>I like your idea, but I think the name for the sword sounds a bit silly. I don't know German, though, so I'm going to struggle to offer a better name. Maybe "Trennen?" (German for sever/separate according to Google).>It might be possible to make it a more tangential connection. For example, we could call the cloak "Aeaea" as a nod to Circe and a very ghetto Avalon.>>3493772>Diairon (Divider) sounds like a cool name for a sword but it would feel wrong to give or cloak a German name.>>3493797>Say, what about Εξορίζων (Banisher) for the cloak?>>3493848>Wait, I think I got a name for the sword: Einteilung.>>3493855>Oh, the state of being would be (Auf)teilung.>>3493866>>Vorschneider>The same dictionary tells me that "Vorschneiden" means "carve (verb)".Compiling all of this into a handy little list marking mine out so you know what to vote for...>SwordLückeklingeAdelheidLeere (me)Erebus (me)TrennenDiaironEinteilungAufteilungVorschneider (me)>CapeKenósmandýasCirceGinnungagap (me)Nacht (me)AeaeaΕξορίζων (Exorizon)
>>3493898Sword>Trennen>Aufteilungor>VorschneiderCloak>Εξορίζων>Kenósmandýas
>>3493898I suppose we're in agreement that the sword should be German and the cloak should be Greek? If so, we can eliminate Erebus, Diairon, Ginnungagap, and Nacht.For the sword:>Trennen>AufteilungFor the cloak:>Εξορίζων (Exorizon)>Aeaea
>>3493898I like Leere and Εξορίζων personally. We should probably focus on our own name too, considering we're even further from our original identity than we were when we first thought of changing our name.
>>3493898https://www.dict.cc/?s=AufteilungShit, now this looks inappropriate
>>3493953>ANOTHER LOGISTICS TERM
>>3493962As expected of Germans
>>3493968Go with Trennen or Leere.
>>3493981Ok>>3493898Sword>TrennenCloak>Εξορίζων (Exorizon)Or>Kenósmandýas
Trennen and Exorizon, for me.
>>3493991Looks like just about everybody is okay with Trennen and Exorizon. I suppose we have our names.>inb4 Sweets already has names for them and this was all for nothing
>>3494016>Spoilers100%
>Inb4 sweets actually didn’t have a name for them and wanted us to come up with them for him, and then go “Aha, great work anons, you guessed right!”
>>3494016>inv4 Sweets didn't have names for them, but doesn't like Trennen or Exorizon, so has to scramble for an excuse
>>3494016>inb4 their names really are ??????? and it's just an inaudible noise
Obviously the decision is yours, but personally I rather like Lückeklinge. Leere is also good. Possibly Leereklinge (void blade)? What about Kenótis (emptiness) for the cloak?
>inb4 we actually still need sleep and we're tired as fuck tomorrow
>>3494092I like Lückeklinge/Leereklinge and Kenótis.
>>3494092Sweets barging in with the perfect taste
So what about your true name, then? Anybody got any ideas for that?
>>3494132Honestly, RUSHOROU a la EMIYA and DIO is perfect.
>>3494132I want Lucius for the first name. Last name should be Greek.
inb4 we're just a copied version of our original self brought into Akeldama and the real Yumigawa is still in the real world
>>3494146Lucius Nikitís?(Nikitis means Winner in Greek)
>>3494155>Inb4 the real Yumigawa is dead, his energies consumed by the grail, and Conceptual/Servant Yumigawa is just a simulacrum
>>3494146Remember that Lucius is derived from lux. You've kind of leaned pretty hard into the darkness angle since that first conversation.>>3494155While this would be a highly entertaining twist, it would also mean that Akeldama was creating energy from nothing.
>>3494169>You've kind of leaned pretty hard into the darkness angle since that first conversation.You're right.
>>3494169Noctis.
I wonder if I should have you meet Sakura, since you look so much like her "shadow" now...
>>3494169>name means light>actually darkness based >also is evilJAPEMASTER
Any nipponese speakers here, what characters make up Yumigawa Rushorou?
>>3494177I veto this heartily
>>3494179I'm a fan of avoiding using canon characters as much as possible but that's just me
Hear me out. What if our name was Zero? It's both a real and an imaginary number which is fitting on multiple levels. And it's short and to the point.
>>3494179>”BROTHERRRRRRR”Inb4 30-something Sakura wants to “help” a “corrupted” kindred spirit>>3494193You know, that’s not a bad suggestion at all.
>>3494097Odds are that if anyone's tired, it'll be Jean. Presuming we function like FSN Saber, sleeping would let us reduce our magical energy usage. Our link with Jean is pretty solid, though, which means he'll be sustaining us all night. Even so, I think we should stay up tonight just to test what happens. Better to experiment now and know our limitations than have to gamble later in the game.>>3494092Kenótis would be good for the cloak, but I maintain that Luckeklinge sounds goofy.>>3494132Well, we wanted to talk to Circe about that, but it appears that's no longer an option. I like the sound and meaning of Alberich, but he was a dwarf and we're not a manlet. Sounds fairly regal, though, so I'd be okay with it.>>3494177Can we not?>>3494155Now there's a twist, but toka koka says no.>>3494179So we're in the HF timeline, then. Sweets has already said we're in an FSN timeline, and the Shadow only appears in one.>>3494187I get wanting to avoid canon characters, but I feel like Sweets could pull it off.>>3494193Please no
>>3494179Oh, so that's what our cloak looks like.Oki.Now that could be an interesting meeting.>>3494193Zero.Null.Cipher.Take your pick.
>>3494206People like the Greek thing too, so zero in Greek is μηδέν (pronounced Midén). But that's not my favorite.
>>3494206>take your pickZero, the beginning of our new life.
>Imaginary number plane>Gauss is too commonEuler? He’s not a heroic spirit, right?
>>3494198>”BROTHERRRRRRR”Liquid.
>>3494246NOT YET SNAKEIT'S NOT OVER YET.
On the topic of imaginary numbers, Rushorou paid enough attention in school to learn I right? Not only is I representative of imaginary numbers, but it plays into the pride aspect by claiming a whole letter for Rushorou’s own. The totality of it is nice too...
>>3494204>we're in the HF timeline >Rider is probably hereOh for fucks sake.
>>3494236Are you wanting to pretend that we're actually a historical figure? That'd get complicated quick. We could just tell Vaisset that we'll take on a new identity for now since we can't remember our own, which actually isn't terribly far from the truth.
>Best girl wonEbin
>Zero>CipherWell, I suppose you are planning on setting up a new world order...
>>3494193Zero Is great.I'll support It.
>>3494206>>3494222>>3494227>>3494236>>3494251Can we not pick a math name please? I just don't see it fitting Rushorou."I" is the worst name of all. That's some god-complex YHWH-tier "fuck you, you don't get my name" shit.>>3494253It's a good thing we can counter her somewhat...
>>3494262Cipher is growing on me for sure.
>>3494269I prefer it over Zero because.. Well.. Rushorou sounds similar enough to Rurūshu as is.
>>3494268"My name has 216 letters. I keep it in a gold box."
>>3494268>Can we not pick a math name please? I just don't see it fitting Rushorou.I mean, you’re right....>He doesn’t want to embrace the God complexI mean, you’re right....
>>3494268Any name that is representative of a beginning would work, really.
>>3494277Genesis?
>>3494268What's wrong with math? Math is all conceptual and we're a conceptual being. It doesn't mean we're a math nerd or something. I don't see the need for a boring human name since we're not human anymore. I agree that I is a shitty name though. Zero or Cipher gets my vote.
>>3494277Isn't rulership what we've been going for this whole time, though? The new name was supposed to reflect that.If we want to split the difference on mythological significance and beginning, we could take Ginnungagap as our true name (or perhaps first or last name if we want a Greek part) instead of one of our weapons.>>3494279That's unfortunately similar to "I" in the impression it would give.>>3494293Math hasn't been a focus of any of Rushorou's character except for the fact that we know the realm of imaginary numbers is the name of the void we access. Actual math has played no role. It strikes me as cartoonish, and it's not the kind of thing people we encounter will take seriously.
>>3494314Making up a name for ourselves is inherently cartoonish
>>3494314Ginnungagap sounds ridiculous. It literally has UNGA in it. May as well call ourselves Chaos or Khaos.And it's still a god complex name.
Speaking of Ruling and the void, allow me to throw Imperator and Kuro into the ring as name elements. Imperator, obviously, is a title historically ascribed to early Roman commanders and all Roman emperors. Old Latin has that excellent strength in pronunciation that we would want for Rushorou. Kuro is black and the color itself has had some association with dominance and absolute rule in both European and Chinese history, although this connotation is lacking for the Japanese.
>>3494319For Rushorou, the idea behind changing name is to reflect the complete alteration of identity that he's had as a person. Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with leaving Rushorou's name as is, but if we're going to change his name I'd like to do it right.>>3494328I think it sounds pretty dumb too, but I'm trying to find a compromise since it seems like everyone else is set on making our made-up name the same made-up name of an anime character from 2007 who tried and failed miserably to take over the world. I think it's silly and I don't think it bodes well for our boy.
>>3494345>same made-up name of an anime character from 2007 who tried and failed miserably to take over the worldOh yeah, Code Geass. Here I was stuck on the Metal Gear reference.
>>3494345>tried and failed miserably to take over the worldStrange way to type "took over the entire world and had himself killed as repentance. But survived dying."Also I'm on the Cipher train.
>>3494347Did you not see me comparing how similar Rushorou and Lelouch (Rurūshu) sounded?
>>3494345I don't care at all if someone else from a completely different story has had the same name as the one we choose. That said, Cipher is a way better name than Zero.
Cipher is definitely a name I would veto as well. It speaks of secretiveness and subversive tendencies, whereas Rushorou has been consistently out in the open and “straight” in his actions.
>>3494358Cipher is just an archaic word for Zero.
>>3494358We're currently pretending to be a legit heroic spirit instead of a transformed student council president which is pretty secretive.
>>3494343Kurogane (meaning black metal, roughly) would make sense at least as a temporary name given the nature of our sword.>>3494367Cipher used to be a word for zero. Nowadays it has more to do with codes and the translation thereof.
>>3494373That's "Student Council President who seduced Circe and Female Hitler and gouged Judas' heart out" to you.
>>3494380>Cipher used to be a word for zero.So? We're pretending to be a Heroic Spirit from the past.
>>3494380>KuroganeYou don't look Japanese and you're dressed as a European knight. Honestly, the foreign appearance was my original impetus for suggesting a name change, as Yumigawa Rushorou no longer fits visually. Wouldn't it be a little odd to take on another Japanese name given your appearance?
>>3494391I think it would.
>>3494391Wait, I keep forgetting that we look more like an Einzbern than a nip.
>>3494399Nah.As Sweets stated, we don't look Japanese.
>>3494391What suggestions do you have. cause you have probably shot down over a dozen by now
>>3494409C i p h e rip her
>>3494391It would, but taking a number as a name would seem strange no matter what you look like.We could theoretically use adoption as a cover story. Japanese culture has always been pretty comfortable with adoption to the point where there have been two genetic breaks in the lineage of the Emperor and yet the Emperor remained of divine descent.>>3494409Sweets already gave us several via Adelheid a few threads ago.
>>3494409I gave you a bunch of suggestions when you had the conversation about the name with Adelheid in the first place. And I've only taken issue with two. Hell, one of those I "shot down" was my suggestion to you folks. Circumstances in the story have changed since it was suggested, so it was no longer appropriate.
You know, a European name with connections to the color black, absolute rule, dominance, evil.... Nero
>>3494433UMUM-MUMU
>>3494424At least we've got some more ideas now. Any chance we'll get to vote on it in the next session?Also are we getting some updates tonight?
>>3494433Yeah I mean It would fit, If she didn't exist. I'd rather have a name that's just ours.>>3494424Zero and Cipher are both good names to me.Cipher admittedly sounds more like a name, but Zero fits In well with our blank slate as a servant and Imaginary numbers theme. Hmm. I could go either way.
>>3494440Yesterday I was somewhat blindsided by work, but I should be able to do more updates this afternoon/evening. It's 13:40 here, for reference.
Also on a side note our circumstances will make Reinforcement INCREDIBLY good for us, even more so than normal.Our Inhuman biology stat makes us physically more capable than we should be, I'm assuming even more than a servant based on a human.Reinforcement Is about fixing the flaws and maximizing the strengths of an object, right? Well our now superior Inhuman biology should have a hell of a lot higher cap for be pushed to than a more basic human biology. We aren't physically average as a servant, as long as we have mana to burn we're potentially a goddamn powerhouse.
>>3494456I'm into it. But how will we learn it?
>>3494462As incompetent as our Master is, he surely knows reinforcement yes? Although that brings to mind the old “servants get what they get, no learning 4 you” thing which might hold Rushorou back. But then again, he’s not a normal servant.
>>3494456The real kicker for reinforcement is the fact that we have B-rank magical energy and basically nothing else to put it towards (presuming we aren't supplying Adelheid and Circe).>>3494462It depends on how much of a loser Jean is. He's already a pretty shit master, and considering his performance so far I'm not sure he could teach us even if he tried.
>>3494456Wow, I really should have made the effects of Conceptual Biology more clear. You're a magically anchored conceptual existence, created by the combination of the Silver Grail and the Akeldama. Like the humanoid equivalent of a conceptual weapon. What this means is that you're very "rigid" in terms of magical or unseen effects. This is where your high rank in Magic Resistance comes from, and why you can eat cursed food and come out fine. What I'm getting at is that because you're already more of a ball of magical effects than an an existence to be affected, Reinforcement will have very little effect on you. It would be like trying to Reinforce Avalon or Gae Bolg.
>>3494477>Reinforcement will have very little effect on youGet fucked reinforcement fagsThis post is approved by Transference Gang
>>3494477Sweets has the Personal Skill "Dream Crusher" at Rank EX.
>>3494471>He's already a pretty shit master, and considering his performance so far I'm not sure he could teach us even if he tried.Was Rin a shit master as well? You just met him, and really don't have much to go on.
>>3494486For Rushorou, the automatic assumption is a shit if you aren’t a superhuman with phenomenal presence and fashion
>>3494489Or a bro like Matsuda.Or if you prove to be good at research.
>>3494471I don't get why you've had such a hateboner for Vaisset since the start. It's kinda intense.>>3494477So reinforcement's out. What else can we focus on, apart from Transference? Can we still even use traditional magecraft techniques as a servant?
>>3494480You already have stats comparable to Gawain and two broken as hell Noble Phantasms. Do you really feel like you need reinforcement on top of B-Rank Strength and Agility?
>>3494502Oh I don't mind.I know we're fairly powerful among servants.
>>3494502Short answer: yes.Long answer: yeeeeeeeessssssss
>>3494477Disappointing, but understandable. At least you clarified now, and not after we learned It.>>3494479What's the point In antagonizing people for an idea that could have worked If not for a unfortunate detail.
>>3494502I mean, yes? This Is FATE. >>3494515Or rather, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
>>3494516Having a laff because it’s the doldrums of my favorite quest. It’s not like I seriously have a problem with anons who liked reinforcement
>>3494501Maybe Mana Burst? Tends to be a common skill among knight class servants and the only issue would be mana cost. Shouldn't be impossible for a "servant".
>>3494516"Damn, the plan was perfect! If only it wasn't flawed from the start."He was just responding to somebody mad we didn't learn reinforcement. ...I wish we had Mana Burst.
>>3494538HuhLooks like we had the same idea.In life we did have a fuck ton of mana, afterall.
>>3494477>Reinforcement will have very little effect on you>The kaioken x5 was impossible and anons voted to 1v1 Adelheid anywayHaving been in the know about reinforcement, how did you feel about that moment, Sweets?>>3494486We know that he summoned Judas Iscariot as a servant (which is an objectively dumb move, no idea why anyone would think that's a good idea), set him off to work without really understanding what was going to happen, and as a result he is just as responsible for what happened to us as Caster is. He also appears to fuck up his magic pretty consistently, given Ayaka's little rant as well as his own rant about how his summoning went "haywire" (he might not have even meant to summon Judas). As it stands, it's hard to see him as anything but callous and unreliable. Hopefully he's like Rin and he's just off today, but it's not a good first impression.>>3494501It's more a problem on my end where I pretty much just see him as an extension of Judas. Personally, I'm pretty pissed that the guy who let Cid and that entire sham Holy Grail War start to begin with, who made us go through everything and come up empty-handed, now gets to boss us around. Not to mention he's pretty clearly got standard Magus mentality and almost certainly sees us as no more than a tool.
>>3494550126 circuits of a quality i forget. even if they were as shit quality as shirous its still better then rin and her crest combined.
>>3494554"Excellent" quality, according to Circe.
>>3494554Weren't they of the highest quality?
>>3494559>>3494560so probably a step below blue blood circuits
Guysssss.If this is after the HF route.Then I think I have a pretty good guess as to the identity of True Saber.
>>3491890>Speaking of servant adderall, does anybody know the difference between Mind's Eye (False) and Instinct? I've been trying to figure it out since reading FSN and I just don't see it.From F/SN's status menu:Instinct: AThe ability to always "feel" the best course for oneself during combat. This heightened sixth sense is now close to precognition. It reduces by half any obstacles to vision and hearing.Mind's Eye (Fake): AResistance to changes in visibility caused by visual interference. Also called the sixth sense, or prescience; an innate talent to sense danger.Mind's Eye (Fake): BAvoidance of danger by sixth sense/instinct.So my conclusion is that Instinct is a prescient sense of the most advantageous moves, whereas Mind's Eye (False) is a prescient sense of the safest moves. It's a small difference, definitely.
>>3494573Also, it looks like Instinct is only active during combat, whereas Mind's Eye (Fake) is active 24/7.
>>3494573I don't think I'll ever understand why Counter Guardian EMIYA only has Eye of the Mind (True) at Rank B considering he's able to pretty much analyse fighting styles by staring at swords and has had an effectively countless number of battles due to his contract.
>>3494570...Oh.Oh FUCK.Do we think the cloak can block FSN Excalibur? I sure hope it can...At least she's the biggest jobber in the series. I pray her master is bad.We also don't know is if this is after the HF true end or normal end. Probably true end, I'd guess.>>3494573>>3494578Huh. Okay, interesting. Neither I nor my friends have ever managed to suss that out. Good eye.
>>3494590A certain person Alcides also only has it at B, despite being perhaps the greatest genius fighter in human myth. I'd assume that at Rank A one can immediately see through and predict all possible actions in combat.
huh looking up magic circuits our 126 circuits isn't as game breaking as I thought.Rin has 40 plus 2 sets of 30 "sub circuits" what ever the fuck those are hopefully just nasuspeak for her crest, making 100 total.Her circuits have a max output of 10 units of prana for each circuit. and the only thing i can find about quality is that shirous shit tier circuits can produce just as much power as a prodigy like rin(10 units each) only they take a bit of damage.Sweet what does our "excellent" quality circuits do? how many units of prana can they each make. The norm is 10 each.
>>3494597In that context, rank C is quite the achievement then
>>3494597There is one character I've seen in action with rank A: Chiron.Astonishingly, it doesn't do him much good. He gets fucked up pretty badly in Apocrypha and is ultimately killed on even ground by Achilles. I attribute this to Apocrypha being bad.
>>3494607Rin's "Sub Circuits" aren't as flexible as natural circuits and can't be used to do anything you want. Or something >>3494593 And guess what? She just got out of the HF route. How will she respond to a guy with white hair, red eyes and a black and red stripey cloak?
>>3494607You would know the quality of your magic circuits if you were a trained magus. Also something to note, Shirou's circuits are worse than you're thinking. Rin's 40 inborn circuits each handle 25 units of energy. The subsets of circuits are from her crest, but aren't factored into standard output because crest circuits can only put energy into the mysteries which are encoded into the crest. It's like having a separate dedicated energy pool for the legacy mysteries. I'd planned to have Truvietianne explain that to you at some point, but apparently it didn't happen.>>3494608That's why I gave you Rank C. I'm not trying to gimp you folks, just being reasonable.>>3494612Apocrypha's writing: hot garbage.
>>3494619As you always do. I mock outrage sometimes, but that’s just because I’m a powergaming, min-maxing, munchkin at heart.
Open question for you folks: where does the term "prana" come from? In the VN they refer to it in JP as 魔力 (maryoku), which is alternately translated as magic energy or mystic energy. This terminology carries over to the official world materials released to supplement the lore from F/SN. I've seen people on various sites refer to it as prana, but I'm not sure where that's coming from.
>>3494668What a magus makes isnt prana but actually something called OD. The "magic" in the air on the planet is called Mana. Prana is the combination of the two created using a magus' circuits and can be used to cast magecraft.
>>3494668Hindu Philosophy and translators not wanting to use "magical energy" all the time, as far as I can see.
>>3494668As I recall, it's some sort of energy from Hinduism. I think it's just the term they chose to translate it with, which, in all fairness, is faster than "magical energy."
>>3494677Od and Mana aren't the substances themselves; rather, they refer to the two sources of mystic energy. Od being the lesser source, the pool of energy within the self, and Mana being the greater source, the pool of energy of the planet. I'm familiar with the lore, anon, what I'm asking about is the translation.
>thread is already 2/3 of the way to bump limit
>>3494182His name is 弓川 褸消郎.弓: Yumi, kanji for bow (the weapon, not the action).川: Kawa, kanji for river (read Gawa as a suffix), is a common locality-based ending for a surname.褸: Ru, kanji for rags.消: Shyou, shortened to sho for name component. Kanji for extinguished, canceled, lifeless.郎: Rou, the counter for sons. Common suffix in male names.
>>3494716For anyone curious about the character choices, it's supposed to be representative of Yumigawa's apathetic character at the beginning of the quest. Also I thought you'd end up using a bow eventually.
>>3494748>I thought you'd end up using a bowOops.Ah well I'm sure we can always pick the skill up somewhere.
>>3494748RIP the Independent Action dream though admittedly I didn't help by going to sleep without changing my vote
>>3494759Won't need it once we take a dip in some grail mud.Or incarnate along with our other two servants.
>>3494748>Also I thought you'd end up using a bow eventually.Simple: we send the air around our sword into Numberspace like a vacuum, so it shoots around like an arrow.I can't into Aerodynamics.
>>3494764>tfw we can probably use the cloak to vent a room of air.Tee-hee.
>>3494768Your cloak isn't a portal to space. Imaginary Numbers isn't a vacuum, it has its own phantasmal air.
>>3494774Aww.There goes that dream crusher skill again.
Imagine a world where the number i takes the place that 1 holds in our world, for all operations of physics and any other situation in which numbers appear. Everything is founded on imaginary principles. This is the realm of imaginary numbers. It's utterly alien to beings based in reality, so much so that our eyes can't process the light and our ears can't detect the sounds. This is why, when the Extra protagonist is sent there, they perceive it as an empty black void. Nevertheless, Imaginary Numbers is a world, full of imaginary objects. That's why opening a portal with your cloak doesn't just immediately suck in all the air around you, and why you have to actively push an object through the portal.
>>3494748>Bow tool unanimously duckedLolOk, so by using my lack of understanding I came up with the name Kuroshouou, which somehow renders into Black King. I like it, but also know jack about Japanese. >>3494781Neato
>>3494785>another jap name again Reeeeeeeee
>>3494785>Bow tool unanimously duckedAnd then I also gave you folks the option to become an Archer at class selection, the last choice in F/CA. No dice.
>>3494792If I wasn’t sleeping like a loser during the vote, I probably would’ve went Archer myself. Oh well.
>>3494792In hindsight I would've probably picked Archer just for Independent Action....What happens if Cu chucks his spear at our cloak?
>>3494801If he throws it? Gae Bolg gets sucked in, because when thrown it's just a big attack.If he stabs you, it'll go around.
>>3494802Oh Christ that's broken.
>>3494806They both are, really. Gae Bolg is a wonderful thing, I just wish it hadn't jobbed at the beginning of F/SN.
>>3494792Which option was Archer, by the way? I think it was the last one, but the whole "crimson needle" thing threw me off because I couldn't get Gae Bolg out of my head.
Well it's not like it'll be the same six other Servants as HF, right?>>3494809It's a Lancer's job to job.
>>3494809I" see you dodged my undodgeable attack, Saber."
>>3494812The portal bow, probably.
>>3494809One of the things I don't think I'll ever get over about FSN is how Lancer never really gets results. The man is an absolute monster, both in myth and in Fate, and he doesn't kill ANYONE but Kirei.>>3494816I'm talking about class selection, not artifact selection from Caster.
>>3494815>t. literal lucklet
>>3494812Lancer: An unstoppable point, striking through armor to pierce the heart (The cloak becomes able to extrude a spear-like object used as your primary weapon)Saber: A long obsidian blade, held aloft in the light of dawn (Chosen, no explanation)Assassin: A silent shadow, leaving death in its wake as it moves undetected (Basically the Sakura Shadow from Heaven's Feel)Archer: A crimson needle, tracing a predetermined path to its target as it gleams in the noonday sun (This is an arrow. I was working off of the archery conception from F/SN that "it's determined whether an arrow will land or not before it is released." I had a few different weapon ideas for Archer.)
>>3494821>AssassinOh man.
>>3494823And NOBODY voted for it! I was so disappointed.
>>3494821>Assassin>Weakest class, but NP is the fucking ShadowHoly shit.
>>3494821Damn I wish I was there. How did the choice the anons picked end up being the legit worst one?
>>3494826It felt like the natural extension of the cloak, so I really thought you'd go for it. The immediate unanimous votes for the blade totally shocked me.
>>3494838I think anon just wanted his cool sword.Swords are cool.
>>3494835I don't know. I even posted that they'd all gone for the option I hadn't been sure about leaving on there, and then said I was leaving the vote open for a while because it was highly important and everyone should think hard about their choice...
>>3494842I mean swords are cool and all but damn. At least they picked an aesthetically pleasing class...
Obviously we just reset.
>>3494842No use crying over spilt Noble Phantasm's.
Sweets' thought process:"Let's see, classes are Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, Berserker. We can strike Rider, Caster, and Berserker right away, Rushorou definitely doesn't qualify. Lancer, huh... we could go for like a rhongomyniad-shaped thing from the cloak, with a piercing void idea... alright, Lancer works.Assassin is obvious, that's how they've been playing so far and the cloak looks like the Sakura Shadow. Alright, so for that we can go full-on with the cloak as NP.Archer is fun, there are all kinds of things you could do with bows and portals, I'll definitely keep that in there....and, Saber works too I guess. He could cut things with the void, maybe? Alright, write up some imagery and post. They'll probably go for Assassin right away, though."
>>3494842The way I see it is the sword was the only known quantity.We knew there was a bow and a spear but there were two options that both alluded to piercing.As for Assassin, I didn't even consider it would be the Shadow. I figured it was just Presence Concealment ganking.
>>3494838I'll be honest - the problem lay in the imagery. I chose the option I did because the image you gave for it fit most with Rushorou as a character, and I felt like choosing anything else would be a disservice after the big debate that happened about Rushorou's magic trigger.
>>3494854But his trigger is a door opening into the void. What does that have to do with a sword at dawn?
>>3494853Dropped my hat.
>>3494856It has more to do with Rushorou's pride. The sword seemed like the sort of heroic, leader-ish image he would conceive of, and nothing else felt quite like him and was more just a picture of an ability.
>>3494859It's an issue of powerset vs character. Rushorou is definitely a Saberish sort of person, and you folks did pick the best (or at least second-best, Archer might be better) class for his personality. The powers you'd acquired in Akeldama really lent themselves to Assassin, though, which is why I thought you'd go for that option even if you did think it was just using presence concealment.
>>3494868Think of it this way.Your players are picking In Character choices rather than being powergaming munchkins.
>>3494879I'm not complaining. Now that I've gotten used to the idea, I think things will actually be more fun to write with you as a Saber than they would've been with you as an Assassin. It sure was surprising, though!
>>3494879The Virgin Min-Maxer vs the CHAD Roleplayer
>>3494883Yeah, the usual response from a Master to the appearance of Assassin is going to be a command spell of "SERVANT CLASS, Kill him!"
>>3494898>implying they'd have the chance to see the ShadowAs an Assassin, we'd be broken. Unbelievably so.
>>3494904I was talking about if we wanted to maybe interact with an enemy Master.Bonus points in that if any Stay Night characters see us then everything goes to shit.
>>3494911>Bonus points in that if any Stay Night characters see us then everything goes to shit.How? It's not like our armor is blacked, though the cloak might cause a brief misunderstanding.
>>3494917As an Assassin I mean.
>>3494920Oh.
>>3494917>briefBrief enough to invite and attack, which we will then need to swallow with the cloak, which will reinforce the misunderstanding. It could spiral out of control very, very quickly if we run into the wrong character.
>>3491019Big hairy cock
>>3494925I agree
>>3494924Wandering into Sakura will be very fun.
>>3494409A short list of suggested names, by request:AlberichSigismundAdalwinErmenrichAgilmarHildebrandAthanarichCynebaldAdelmarFridenotGerboldAgilulfEgilhardHavarthrLudolfChlodovechAelfnothOdalrichAudovacarSigimarAliprandFaramundSigivaldWaldomar
>>3494938>EgilhardThis one, unironically.
>>3494938Agilmar for me.
>>3494938I can get behind Alberich, Agilmar, Egilhard, and Havarthr.
>>3494957>AlberichBut anon, we're not a dorf.
How pissed will an enemy servant be if we lolnope their Noble Phantasm into the void or cut it in half?I just can't get over the idea of Cu throwing Gae Bolg and it just going away forever.>can't hurt Siegfried>instead cut Balmung in half>stab his back very easily.
>>3494977I wonder if that actually works. Now that I think about it, Noble Phantasms are encoded into the records of humanity, so it might be impossible to teleport them out of the world.Definitely requires some further consideration...
>>3494980On the other hand, noble phantasms are only copies of the original legend. If you destroy a noble phantasm, maybe the Servant can summon a replacement...
>>3494985There's Diarmuid from Fate/Zero to consider, as well as Broken Phantasms. Noble Phantasms can undoubtedly be lost, and unless you're a faker you can't get them back.
>>3494985Possibly? But at massive cost I would assume if possible at all.If they were a renewable thing every servant would just spam Broken Phantasms at each other.AlsoEMIYA's near perfect projections break all the time.
Why the fuck does Shirou tell Gilgamesh that UBW would only let him beat him and not any other servant?Realistically Unlimited Blade Works kills all but the most borked servants. I'd like to see Arturia work around an omni directional barrage of noble phantasms without Avalon.
>>3494387>from the past"Furui ICHI"
Now writing for >>3493430>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. In the dull moments, you'll check for command spells and try to contact Circe and Adelheid. (Duty/Compassion)>>3493617>So Vaisset is just your standard magus. That's quite disappointing.What were you expecting, ID-Lock?
>>3494668It's a fan made term, I think. Nasu&Co. always refer to it as "maryoku".
>>3495013>Why the fuck does Shirou tell Gilgamesh that UBW would only let him beat him and not any other servant?Because that specific Gilgamesh was a shit fighter compared to the other Servants in that War?
>>3495058Not really.Caster was in that war and he FUCKING SAW EMIYA KILL HER.Gil probably would've won if he had his armour.Also Shirou still lost. Had to be bailed out by asspull hole and EMIYA who inexplicably survived. UBW is just bootleg Gate of Babylon.Rider, Saber, Assassin and Caster would all die to it.
>>3495013"Barrier of the Wind King">>3494985Nah, like the other Anon said there's Broken Phantasms. Looks like you're shit outta luck if you lose your NP.>>3494938>Sigismund
>>3495013It's probably Shirou referring to his inability to actually fight. Unlimited Blade Works works against Gil because he's absorbed some of Archer's combat knowledge, which isn't really on the level of a servant. Thankfully, against Gil, that doesn't matter, because all Gil does is fire his Noble Phantasms at people from a distance rather than do any fighting himself. Artoria would certainly struggle with an omnidirectional barrage of NPs, but in order to hit her with that, Shirou would need to fire all those Noble Phantasms while keeping up with her servant-level speed and strength using his human eyes and reflexes. If Saber closes the distance, she wins. Gil has no such thing, so as long as you can go tit-for-tat with his NP spam, you can fight him normally and win because he sucks at that.>>3495051Not much else, honestly. I just consider standard magi to be disappointing as people because I personally don't really respect people with weak moral compasses. Rin talks tough, but even so, she's a good person at heart, so I like her. Vaisset didn't even bat an eye when we told him he just let his servant go on a killing spree, so he doesn't get a pass.
>>3495067Gil's stats in SN were still B Strength, C Endurance and C AgilityHe's just not very good at melee.
>>3495064>Gil probably would've won if he had his armour.Exactly, UBW Gilgamesh was shit.>RiderEyes>Saber>>3495066>AssassinTsubame Gaeshi>CasterIdunno, throw Assassin at him>Hassanlolk
No, Caster's Assassin probably wouldn't survive either. Everybody else just has to kill him before the attack launches or break out of it in a single direction.
>>3495091Really it's just a "who attacks first wins" situation.Also I doubt Saber's barrier could withstand the bombardment UBW can give off.Assassin gets fucked even with Tsubame Gaeshi because he's about as durable as wet tissue paper.
>>3495103it's more of a "how did they let Shirou do that" situation desu
>>3495115Yeah.The incantation is so fucking long they deserve to die if he manages to summon the damn thing.
>When the QM gets too into the thread chatter and the update is DOA
S00N Brothers...
>>3495146>zeroesI see what you did there
>>3495146I see you got a shot of the moment just after Rushorou killed Outer Caster. Excellent camerawork.
>>3495103>Also I doubt Saber's barrier could withstand the bombardment UBW can give off.All she needs to do is open up or find a hole and zoom through it, and then she's free to run up to Archer and chop him up.
So how do we learn to swung sword, in a timely manner, without our gloves?
>>3495188>Die>Train with taiga
>>3495188We'll probably be fine.Eye of the Mind (True) is ranked C
>>3495188I feel like it was mentioned that we just automatically have sword experience now
>>3495192That’s analysis and tactics tho, nothing to do with the actual swinging of sword
>>3491073>At your left hip hangs a longsword in a richly decorated black and silver sheath. You're tempted to draw it and experiment with your newfound knowledge of swordsmanship>>3495199Looks like we do.
>>3495220Nice reading skillz anon
>>3495223Folded over a million times
Update never?
>>3495231He's eating right now, cut him stone slack.
>>3495231Update by 3, he has something called a """life""". Such a gay.
>>3495235I agree. What kind of fag isn’t waiting on the freely given efforts of another man during all of his waking hours to make his pathetic life worthwhile?
>>3495237zounds kinda gay nan desu yo
>>3495233>He's eating right nowI am, but how do you know that?>>3495235Update by 3? For what timezone?
>>3495237Yeah, he should be shitposting like the rest of us.
>>3495243>For what timezone?Pacific.
>>3495243>I am, but how do you know that?Because you love sweets? It's only natural to assume that you spend all your free time eating sweets if you love it so much that you made it your 4channel handle. that or my ESP
>>3495243A man is doing one of three things at any given time- eating, fucking, or writing his fanfictions on a Cambodian rice farming forum. Pretty good odds, all things considered.
>>3495261>fucking, or writing his fanfictions on a Cambodian rice farming forumThese are mutually exclusive.
Kind of a general question for future matters, but in your personal attitude as a Servant, (dialogue, not combat or strategy) which of the F/SN crowd would you like to emulate most?>[ ] Archer>[ ] Saber>[ ] Someone else (Write in)
>>3495278>[ ] Archer
>>3495278>Both Archer and Saber
>>3495278A mix of both Archer and Saber.
>>3495295>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)We need to learn about the other Servants ASAP
You decide to spend the night on guard. You may not be overly fond of Vaisset, but you're his Servant one way or another. With your low knowledge of magic you have no way of knowing how effective Vaisset's defensive measures are, but you do know Circe's barrier did you little good in the Akeldama and you're sure Vaisset is no Circe. After making your way down to the entryway, you let yourself out through the front door and nimbly hop up to the roof. You'd already surpassed humanity, but you find yourself pleasantly surprised all the same by the power in your new body.Balancing on the peaked roof of the mansion, you watch the skyline. Sure enough, you're back home in Tokyo, although the district is wealthier than the suburb where you grew up. It's a clear, crisp November night, Wednesday, and you should be going back for another identical identical day of school tomorrow. Seeing the familiar city surroundings somehow brings it all into sharp clarity. The change that you've gone through in what to you was ten days and to the world was no time at all; the change that's still to come, in your life and future; the destruction you saw fall on the lifeless Eighth City, soon to be reenacted here. And indescribable emotion of loss, nostalgia, and apprehension wells up in you, and you find yourself looking for any reminder that you're not alone in this new life. You dispel the gauntlet on your right hand, holding it up to see the command spell there, the proof of your connection to those you met during your strange sojourn in Judas' world. What greets your eyes is only smooth white skin, unmarked by the scarlet wing you'd grown so used to finding there. Horrified, you feel within yourself for the flow of mystic energy that supports Adelheid and Circe, but there is none. The energy that fills your system is only being taken in, received from Vaisset. If your Servants do survive, as Judas claimed they would, they are as alone as you are: utterly cut off from those you'd come to rely on for life and death.As the realization of your solitude washes over you, the strength in your legs vanishes. You sink heavily to a seat, leaning against one of the home's many peaks. No Circe and no Adelheid... for all you know, they may not exist at all anymore. It's possible Judas was only spurring you on to kill him by removing your inhibitions; it was his goal, after all. And what's become of Truvietianne, Kikuko, Matsuda, and Ogawara? Were they sent back to their homes, as you should have been, or did the collapsing Akeldama trap them in some unknown limbo cut off from time and space?You pass the rest of the night in a daze, staring at the stars. At some point you must have dozed off, since you find yourself awakening amidst the morning birdsong, under the first rays of the dawning sun. The reason for your awakening becomes immediately clear, as you hear a girl's voice from below calling up to you, "I said, wake up!"
>>3495278Both.
It's Vaisset's sister, Ayaka! You get to your feet and look down at the girl, now wearing a black wool coat and navy scarf over her singed uniform. Her breath appears in small puffs, making its presence known amidst the wintry air. "Saber-san," she continues, in a chiding tone, "I really don't think you should be sleeping there. Didn't Nii-san find anywhere for you to spend the night?" Judging by the odd hybrid of expressions on her face, the girl can't decide between amusement, compassion, and disapproval.Jumping back down to ground level with a clang of armor, you give the girl a smile. "Thank you for awakening me, Miss Ayaka," you say. "Your brother wanted me to spend the night in the basement, but I thought I'd stand guard up there. It seems I was more tired than I'd realized though." You let out an embarrassed chuckle at the admission. "Are you off to school, Miss Ayaka? Isn't it a bit early?""Yes, I'll be going shortly. Nii-san says I should leave and come home as early as possible, since the Grail War is beginning soon. There's only one more Servant still to be summoned after you, right?""The Grail doesn't give me such knowledge, unfortunately," you say. "So he's sending you to school early out of concern, is he?">[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3495299>>3495298
>>3495278>The Golden Archer>Archer
>>3495298>>3495304>We need to learn about the other Servants ASAPJust a reminder, Rin knew that she was the second-to-last person to summon a Servant without having any idea of who the other Masters were or what their Servants were like.
>>3495299>those entire third and fourth paragraphs
>>3495303>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Networking for that replacement master ASAPFuck if that wasn’t great writing though. Easily the most sympathetic I’ve felt towards Rushorou thusfar.>>3495309Anon, I.... I know.
>>3495303>Find clothes and escort her to school, maybe certain people returned to schoolAlso lets find some clothes and have us not escort her in a suit of armor
>>3495303>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Maybe Matsuda or Ogawara attend her school.
>>3495332Anon, her school is Rushorou’s school. You think the good Kaichou’d know.
>>3495278A mix of both. There are times when it's appropriate to speak properly, and times when it comes in handy to be sly or a complete asshole.>>3495303>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)But find some clothes first.>>3495332The one who attends her school is Rushorou>>3495299Fuck you, Judas. You're the worst. And fuck you too, Jean, for letting a Caster servant run wild.
>>3495332Also >>3495317. We're not going to give ourselves away that easily.>>3495337>>3495339It's my designated retardation period.
>>3495339>Fuck you, Judas. You're the worst."I'll take 'Popular Opinions' for $200, Alex."Look at it this way, if the Akeldama Grail War had never happened, you would never have met them in the first place. Might never have developed enough compassion to care about losing someone this way. You'd still just be an apathetic student, alone in a crowd.
>>3495347If the akeldama grail war never happened, Rushorou would’ve never rejected his humanity, realized his superiority, or proved his worth in mortal combat. Net win I say.
>>3495303>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
Wait, doesn't Kikuko attend our school?
>>3495347>>3495349I can be grateful for the chance we received without being grateful to the slimeball who tried to sacrifice us and everyone we got the chance to care about.He got thanked 2000 years ago with 30 silver coins. He's not getting shit from me.
>leaving our master unattended when we need to strategize with himbut why
>>3495359Because the Compassionfags are back in business.
>>3495359Planning his replacement
>>3495359You have a point, but consider the following: Our Master is indirectly responsible for taking our loved ones.
>>3495359What I'm saying is I can't guarantee us acting rationally after that revelation.
>>3495365>>3495366I think that's a really shortsighted way to look at things. Also you guys are jumping to conclusions about his competency and probably just being waifufags.
>>3495359I can't speak for the players, but the option is there because Ayaka is a shoujo novel heroine and there's no way a bishounen saber like ??? isn't going to immediately latch on.
>>3495371>give a decent reason as to why we wouldn't really want to see our Master right now>get accused of being a waifufagOkay,>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)Happy now?
>>3495371Circe is the only waifu, our wish is to get Circe and Adelheid back
>>3495371Okay so lets think of it like this if Matsuda and/or Ogawara are at school then that means we have Circe and maybe Adelheid. Which would be extremely helpful if we can get them back.
>inb4 Circe and Adelheid are our NPs
>>3495371If you ask me, it makes plenty of sense in character. Rushorou just realized that Circe and Adelheid, the two people he trusted implicitly and cared for like no one he's ever met before before, are gone and quite probably never coming back. Hell, he just did the closest thing he's ever done to crying himself to sleep. Right now, he can either focus on the Holy Grail War and be reminded of the partners he no longer has and the pain of losing them, or he can walk to school like he used to (though he wasn't excited by his past life, people tend to find some comfort in routines) and have a chat with someone to try to take his mind off of things.>>3495385If they really ceased to exist when Akeldama ended, that wish will probably just net us fresh copies rather than the allies we had in Akeldama.
>>3495400>Caster converted into our defensive, more utilitarian NP>Bahsaka is our offensive NPANON NO
>>3495382I just couldn't see many other reasons to vote that way. Rushurou's typically a pretty pragmatic guy.
>>3495409You haven't read through CA, have you?
>>3495303Gonna switch back to>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3495407They went back to where they came from: the Throne of Heroes.If we word our wish right, they'll come back with complete memories or with the memories of our time in Akeldama, because the Heroic Spirits have all the memories and the Grail just fucks with those (I submit F/GO Bond Dialogues as evidence).
>>3495409Sure, but we just lost two of our partners. I can see it as people wanting to take a little break before the fun times starts.That said, I think there'll be other opportunities to play otome games later on.>>3495303>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
>>3495422According to FSN, the best description for the way Heroic Spirits absorb the information granted by each of their incarnations is that they read a book of everything that occurred during that incarnation's lifetime. We'll be little more than characters from a novel to any later incarnation, if they can even pick us out from all the information they have to deal with.It's also worth noting that Adelheid started as 100% Hitler but became more of her own person as the war dragged on. What that says about how the main spirit handles information and incarnation, I don't know.
>>3495422So if we were to wish them back we would need to word it like "I wish for the reincarnations of the servants I had during Akeldama" or something similar?
>>3495422>>3495428It's also worth stating that FSN mentions multiple times that servants shouldn't have the memories of their other incarnations, which is why Saber's memory is one of her unique traits as a servant who isn't dead yet.
>>3495429I'm pretty sure, yes.
>>3495427> I think there'll be other opportunities to play otome games later on.While that's possible, it'll be much harder for us to take time off later in the grail war as a Saber. We were able to relax for a bit as Caster's master because Caster and therefore relative safety.
I think it'd be fair to say that we would be more EMIYA than Saber after our recent revelation.
>>3495395Anon, they don't go to your school. Remember the big emotional scene when Matsuda told you his backstory, about how he goes to Japan's worst high school, a recruiting ground for the Yakuza? How his only future prospects are as a mobster because of the fact that he goes to this school, and he keeps fighting every day even though he's lost the joy of combat because he needs to keep up his record?Also, when you met Ogawara you noticed that his uniform was from a more prestigious school than yours.
>>3495422And you Rushorou to get over having his pillars of support being taken right from under him, quickly enough to consider that prospect, just like that. I'm not saying we mope for half of the quest but we had our most emotional moments with Circe and Adelheid, and I personally think it would feel off to immediately convert said trauma into motivation.
>>3495447Ah fuck I forgot. Well might as well go, I mean the war has not started yet and its not like we would see us walking to school.Right?
>>3495448Not immediately, of course. This is just a future course of action.
>>3495456Did your ID change?
>>3495440Possibly. We know jack about this war and I don't really want to get chewed by our master this early.
>>3495456You haven't voted, I see.
>>3495470The vote is tied 4-4.
>>3495475That's why I'm suggesting that tNIVjWM2 vote.
>>3495461Yes
>>3495481I voted in >>3495304, but if you insist...>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
Yeah, that's a 4-4 tie. Now I must wait. By all means, continue arguing your respective cases! Convince people to change their votes!
>>3495492No, I'll just samefag instead
I think Dutyfags need a better explanation for >>3495448, outside of "We don't want to upset the Master that facilitated this".
>>3495498Truly a statement worthy of being the 666th reply.
>>3495504The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt
>>3495514It doesn't, but there's always the write-in option.
>>3495515There you go again, with the Dream Crusher Skill.
We need to take this grail war seriously, now isn't the time for a walk down memory lane. We should be preparing, finding out our master's capabilities as well as our own. A little nostalgia trip through Tokyo doesn't do anything for us in this war.
