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You are Yumigawa Rushorou, an ordinary student ten days ago and newly minted familiar to a magus today.
Ten days ago, you woke up in a collapsing parking garage in the middle of a burning city infested with skeletons. You later learned that you were one of 1,050 people so summoned, and then weeded out to seven chosen Masters. These Masters were compelled to make contracts with powerful spirits of past heroes known as Servants, and with the aid of their Servants to battle until only one remained. This final survivor would win a single wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail, and the contest was thus dubbed the Holy Grail War.

In the course of the War, you learned a variety of new things. That Magic is real, for example, and that there is a global association of magi dedicated to magical research, study, and to keeping magic a secret. That at one time, thousands of years ago, the gods of paganism walked the earth, and most ancient myths are at least partially true. How to properly sucker-punch a man. This last lesson proved particularly useful.

In the end, after taking victory in the War, you discovered that the entire thing was a farce, a front, a con. It was a ruse designed to collect 1,050 willing sacrifices to kill each other. In fact, the administrator of your Holy Grail War was a participant in a separate, real Holy Grail War, and had planned this mass sacrifice to collect enough magical energy to ensure his victory in that war. You, however, with a few other survivors, were able to kill him and dispel the magic keeping you prisoner in the world of the Grail War, a private dimension entitled the Akeldama.

Unfortunately for you, escaping from the Akeldama carries with it a particular responsibility. The orchestrator of the Akeldama Grail War was a Servant, the spirit of Judas Iscariot, bound to the service of one Jean-Pierre Vaisset. Now you, having killed him and absorbed the energy harvested by the Akeldama, have taken on the superhuman powers and bound nature of a Servant. It is the magic energy supplied to you by your Master which keeps you alive, and he holds three command spells, absolute orders which can compel you to take any one action. The path to the Holy Grail remains long and arduous, Yumigawa Rushorou, but you are resolved to walk it.

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You stand in a small, dimly lit room, with stone floor, stone walls, and a stone ceiling. Put simply, a basement made entirely of large stone blocks. You're currently in the center of a wide magic circle, perhaps three feet across and seemingly drawn in blood. Candelabra hang on the walls, giving the place what little illumination it has, and between them stand large bookshelves. Idly, you consider that storing books next to open flames and hot wax seems inadvisable. Hardly important; you put the matter out of your mind.

On the opposite end of the room is an out-of-place modern-looking stainless steel worktable, clashing with the archaism of the other items. A variety of stones, beakers, gems, and arcane tools are scattered over its surface as well as the racks below, but you can't see the majority of them as they're obscured by the presence of a man. From what you can see in the candlelight, this man is rather thin, of middling height, with black hair, parted and combed back over his skull, and elegant taste in clothing. He wears black slacks, tailored to fit; a charcoal vest, softly patterned in gray; and a white silk shirt. This, possibly, is Jean-Pierre Vaisset, the magus responsible for your presence. He's hunched over the table, working at something obscured from your view by his back. Unbidden and without thought, a question springs to your lips.

"Magus, you who have summoned me. I ask of you: are you my Master?"

"Caster, what the devil are you-" Vaisset gets no farther than that, cutting himself off in mid-sentence as he turns to see you. As his eyes meet yours, his face goes white. In the passage of a moment, no more than the time it takes to blink, you've replaced his Servant. Surely, it's impossible. "Just who are you," he asks voice suddenly hoarse with shock. "Caster, that isn't you, is it? The ritual can't have changed you that much, can it?" Now that he's facing you, you can see that Vaisset is only a bit older than yourself, in his mid-twenties. He's a handsome fellow, and plainly wealthy by his clothing and posture. From his appearance and name, and the fact that you're in Tokyo, you'd guess he's half French and half Japanese, but you aren't certain.

You're not certain of much, come to think of it. The question you asked came from nowhere, falling out of your mouth by some strange instinct. By the same instinctual feeling, you can tell that you are a Servant now; that you're receiving a flow of mystic energy from Vaisset, taking the place of the Od you've cultivated an understanding of previously. As you consider your own circumstances, a flood of information about your nature as a Servant enters your mind; again seeming to come almost from nowhere, entering your mind like memories you've never had.

Status Updated

It takes you a moment to process the new information about your identity, but eventually you refocus on Vaisset. He's looking expectant, still waiting for you to explain yourself.
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>>3491019
open the game
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>[ ] "Caster is dead, and I seem to have taken his place in the Grail War," you say. "Now I will ask again, magus, are you my Master? Or must I go looking?" (Duty)

>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)

>[ ] You do something else (Write in)
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>>3491023
>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
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>>3491023
>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
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Make sure that if we still have command seals somehow that we conceal them.
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>>3491021
>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
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>>3491023
>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
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Also evil alignment, we were not that evil right? I mean other then messing with archers master.
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>>3491023
>[ ] "Caster is dead, and I seem to have taken his place in the Grail War," you say. "Now I will ask again, magus, are you my Master? Or must I go looking?" (Duty)
>alignment
>neutral evil
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAA
AAA
AAAA
A
also cool stats.
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>>3491036
>>3491037
Evil in Fate is a pretty broad swathe of alignment. Tamamo no Mae's alignment is neutral evil, for example. Based on your actions in the Akeldama, you've been evaluated to be neutral evil.
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>>3491038
So we're just a dick?
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>>3491038
I know
I'm just happy it finally happened.
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>>3491041
Manipulative, arrogant, murderous, perfectly okay with brainwashing, mildly sociopathic...
You folks definitely picked up some traits that steered away from the original lawful neutral alignment that I started Rushorou out with.
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>>3491043
Well, when you put it that way... of course all of that was out of necessity.
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>>3491019
>Alignment: neutral evil
This makes my pp into PP.
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>>3491023
>[ ] You push past the man. Whatever his role in this, it's of secondary importance compared to your more pressing task. You need to find a mirror, and investigate the changes that have come since becoming a Servant. (Pride)
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Honestly I feel like a right retard for going with the sword instead of the bow.
Independent Action would be real nice right about now.
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>Circe when we disappear
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>>3491057
At least we have a sword that cuts through anything.
>>3491060
>Circe's face when we reappear
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>>3491063
>agility A
>sword that cuts through anything
Time for some ludicrous high speed Master gankings.
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>>3491065
Remember that it is a noble phantasm.
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>>3491069
So, what, we need to activate it with its true name? oh fug :((
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You step out of the circle, moving Vaisset from your path with a hand to his shoulder. At first you make straight for the exit, a set of stairs leading up through a corridor, but then you realize you've no idea where you can find anything in this building. You turn back to Vaisset. "I am not Caster," you declare. "Now, do you have a mirror anywhere? I'm in serious need of one."

"A... mirror?" If possible, the magus looks to now be even more confused than he was before. "Certainly, there are any number of mirrors in my home. Just go up those stairs, take the first right turn, and then the second room on the left is a restroom." Apparently hospitality has been drilled into the man, no matter how confused he is by the situation. Such is the consequence of a wealthy upbringing. You nod your thanks and ascend the stairs, following Vaisset's instructions to turn right when you reach the ground floor and then left to find the restroom. What you see of the corridors reinforces your previous impression of wealth. The house seems to be a beautifully kept Victorian or Edwardian mansion, perhaps not as densely ornamented as the Eighth Imperial University, but certainly something only the very rich could afford to occupy.

Vaisset's restroom contains a large trifold mirror, allowing you to get a clear look at yourself. The first thing that strikes you is your height: you've grown another inch or two. Your other features all seem to be the same as before, mercifully. You don't need to worry about becoming as unrecognizable to Circe and Adelheid as you are to your parents.

Your clothing, on the other hand, has completely transformed. The tasteful black suit and burgundy tie you were wearing during your confrontation with Judas has been replaced by what is apparently a requirement for a Saber, gleaming plate armor. It isn't even simply steel, but white; as if the armor has been enameled! The cloth below the gleaming armor remains black, but the overall appearance still strikes you as rather gaudy. Your cloak, previously too small to properly fit the title, has changed as well. It now fully surrounds your body and hangs to your ankles, and is fastened by a silver broach just to the right of your neck. It's only when you push it out of the way that the armor becomes visible. Narrow red vertical stripes run down the cloth, about six inches apart. When you wonder about the absence of a helmet, one appears in your hands. Apparently components of the armor can be summoned and dismissed, though you doubt you'll be wanting to wear a white full-face helmet any time soon.

At your left hip hangs a longsword in a richly decorated black and silver sheath. You're tempted to draw it and experiment with your newfound knowledge of swordsmanship, but you're shocked out of your thoughts by the sound of a scream. It came from below, back the way you came!
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>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)

>[ ] Get out of this mansion immediately! (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
Oh shit.
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
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By the way, if you're curious about what the armor looks like in more detail, it's similar to Agravain's here. The metal portions are white, though; only the cloth is black, and there's no fur.
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
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Oh god what if it's the gang?
What if our "Master" tries to command spell us into killing them?
Circe is gonna be very pissed off with the guy.
Although I suppose we now know what Illya meant by "can't defeat Berserker yet".
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Wait.
>our sword can't fire a beam
fucking DROPPED
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>>3491092
W-we just need to talk to Circe, right? Our legend isn't finished yet, right?
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>>3491092
Beam swords are overrated.
We've got a cloak that can effectively defend us from anything or kill the attacker if they are careless.
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>>3491094
I swear to god if Circe and/or Adelheid are dead we kill everyone in this entire god damn city.
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>>3491096
And then ourself.
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)
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>>3491096
>Win the grail war
>Wish for the incarnation of ourself and our previous servants
EzPz
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>>3491110
>win the grail war
>thinking the grail won't manjew us.
It fucking summoned Judas.
Something's up.
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>>3491110
>Circe and Adelheid incarnate without the memories they formed in Akeldama
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>>3491111
I hope they know better than to use the Fuyuki Grail after the nth time.
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>>3491112
All of a sudden I really really want to beat a certain autistic ginger to death for not having this problem.
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>>3491116
>magi
>knowing better
>ever
Pfft.
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>inb4 we get mudded.com
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>>3491120
>"I'm starting to get tired of being altered by grails."
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Welp, QM's asleep. We should check if Circe still has the gloves; we're gonna need them to learn how to swung sword.
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>>3491134
You mean if we have the gloves, right? There’s no Circe now anon....
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>>3491136
you shut up
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>>3491136
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.
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>>3491136
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So you guys think the Servants in this actual War are going to be as ridiculous as Blackbeard or Adelheid?
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>>3491159
I'm preparing myself for shit like Enkidu or Gilgamesh, personally.
Or for Shirou to show up as an actual person.
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>>3491162
>Be in a grail war with EMIYA, Shirou
>The battle of the neutral evil versus the retarded good Grail Winners
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>>3491169
>worse yet, his spawn
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Wait guys, now that we’re a servant we can make up names for Rushorou’s moves and person and not seem like a total chuuni for it!
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>>3491173
We really need to get on that name. Hopefully one with fewer syllables.

I wonder if the events of Akeldama are the only basis for our "legend" as a heroic spirit or if our legend is still being formed. I hope it's the latter.
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>>3491074
>[ ] Run back downstairs to investigate the commotion. (Duty)

Fuck me for going to sleep before changing my vote to needle.
Oh well. Saber is a pretty powerful class as long as the master isn't utterly retarded, and we're even rocking an anti-world Noble Phantasm (thanks Caster).

>>3491092
Clearly, we're a fake Saber servant. Since we don't fire beams, but we use a sword, I have scientifically proven that we must actually be an Archer-class servant and therefore have Independent Action.
Soon...

In other news, Vaisset just drew a retardedly powerful card without realizing it. Even without our other Servants, look at that fucking status screen. Magic Resistance B, 4/6 stats are B or above and nothing is less than C...
We even have fucking True Mind's Eye at B-rank. TRUE. That means our combat intelligence is FSN Archer-tier.
Hell, the only thing of ours that really sucks is our shit-tier Riding skill. Not to mention the ludicrous advantage of nobody knowing who we are or what we can do.

I'd also like to take this moment to remind everyone that our cloak and sword (folded over 1000 times) can cut through anything. That's pretty good, even if they are C-rank. Saber, Lancer, and other up-close-and-personal servants are in for a nasty surprise if they ever try to block an attack of ours.
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>>3491189
We are definitely going to “you are already dead” a servant that unleashes some CQC NP with the cloak.

>Charisma D
Should’ve been a A++++++ but mkay

>Conceptual Biology A
I wonder what at all this will do for us as a Servant

>6’2”
>79kg
Our boy got BIG
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...
Kill current Master and see if we can make Kikuko our master if she's still around?
Really hoping Adelheid and Circe made it out ok.
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>>3491205
Anon, I......
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>>3491209
GIVE ME MY FUCKING BIRD WAIFU.
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>>3491209
Peddle your blackpills elsewhere.
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>>3491162
>Gilgamesh
Is there any rule against him being Summoned as a girl?
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>>3491225
It's called "not actually being a girl"
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>>3491195
>I wonder what at all this will do for us as a Servant

It makes us immune to mystical poisons, although these examples depend on inhalation or direct poisoning counting as "consumption":
>Sikera Ušum -- noted to be less effective on people with anecdotes of resisting poisons or skills to resist poisoning
>Providential Oni Poison
>Serenity's poison body
>anything inside us Robin Hood's Yew Bow will amplify

It also lets us lolnope anything the Caster might slip us.
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>>3491233
Btw, that brings me to something. Since Rushorou has replaced the caster in this war, are there now two sabers? What do you lot think about this?
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>>3491230
Orite, I keep forgetting that Merlin pranked Artoria THEN gave her a fick
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>>3491240
Proto Arthur and Artoria are totally seperate people.
Though Gilgamesh undoubtedly has a magic gender changing item were he to feel like using it.
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>>3491242
>Proto Arthur and Artoria are totally seperate people.
Oh.
>Though Gilgamesh undoubtedly has a magic gender changing item were he to feel like using it.
He wouldn't use that for lil ol us...
right?
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>>3491238
I think THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE
>>3491242
...Is it the origin of Merlin's potion?
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>>3491243
He's more likely to use it on us more than for us.
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>>3491243
>He wouldn't use that for lil ol us...
>right?
Never ever * a million.
More likely to give Shirou Ea.
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>>3491249
Yeah but Conceptual Biology counters it.
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>>3491250
>More likely to give Shirou Ea.
Let's not go TOO far.
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>>3491252
Also, his bullshit armour is useless against our NP.
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>>3491261
Oh Christ.
We actually somewhat counter Goldy.
Haha.
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>>3491262
>Implying implications
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>>3491265
Well, we're a pain in the ass for goldy.
Our cape makes gatespam useless and our sword makes his armour useless, forcing him to use his brain for once.
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>>3491205
Okay, let's set forth our strategy regarding masters.

Vaisset is almost certainly a brainlet, since it never even occurred to him that Caster might not be able to make the Akeldama work. Probably worth getting rid of him. The question is - how?

Kikuko is certainly an option if we can find her. She's been brainwashed to loyalty, so we can just make her our master and keep her hidden while we win the war.

There's also Truvi (or perhaps her sister if we run into her because Edelfelts), presuming we manage to get into contact with her and convince her to come over and win the grail war. She's full of herself but she's a competent mage, we know what she wants the Grail for, and we won't get instagibbed like Lancer did.

Alternatively, we could instead bide our time, betray this asshole, and contract with the nigh-inevitable Tohsaka/Matou/Einzbern/Emiya loli.

>>3491250
If Gil felt like it, he'd do it for sure. The question is just how to get him into that mindset. Say, if he wanted to fuck us, and inhuman biology prevented us from being the girl...

>>3491261
>>3491262
Don't forget OUR bullshit armor renders us somewhat safe from the Gate of Bablyon.
Hot damn, we're one hell of a servant.
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>>3491265
>can avoid skewering from GoB with cloak
>can cut him with sword and superior combat skills
>Enkidu is useless against us and also subject to cloak.
Ea almost certainly kills us but Ea kills everyone.
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>>3491269
We're also not Divine so his chains wouldn't be as strong, giving us a chance (read: infinitesimal) to resist them.
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>>3491272
Not necessarily. We might end up fucking over the world of imaginary numbers, but if we covered ourself properly we might be able to at least dodge a blast or two.

>>3491273
Also, cloak and sword can cut them.
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>>3491273
Pfft
Enkidu is worthless against non divine targets.
It's just a chain.
We have B rank strength and a portal cloak.
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>>3491272
Enkidu wouldn't be an option to begin with, since we have no Divinity.
>>3491270
One of our friends would be an ideal Master, in the order Truvi > Matsuda = Ogawara.
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>>3491270
I want us to serve Vaisset until a viable and significantly better alternative comes along- regardless of whether or not he is a brainlet, as we with that bitching Mind’s Eye True (B) can carry. I want us to convince him to team up with another master/servant pair, because that worked awful well last time. Remember, if we get that wish we can absolutely get back our servants. I wonder how sweets will write the now human Rushorou losing them...
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>>3491270
>If Gil felt like it, he'd do it for sure.
Caster Gil would probably be down.
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>>3491278
The true order is
Matsuda>>>> Truvi >Ogawara
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>>3491282
No Kikuko?
She's brainwashed to be loyal.
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>>3491282
This, bros before hoes/bishis.
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All this talk of Gilgamesh has made me realize the dark truth of this new chapter of the quest.

>Now that Rushorou is the Saber, everyone will want to fuck/be fucked by him
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It seems like we stick to the traditional paradigm Saber > Archer > Lancer > Saber so far: we're built to take down Archers but a faster Lancer can outmaneuver and dismember us if (s)he's careful.
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>>3491290
>spoiler
Nah, we (thankfully) aren't a Seibaface.
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>>3491290
>implying this wasn't already true
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>>3491291
>Faster
Agility A anon, I doubt there’s gonna be a A+ speed lancer around
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The real question is are we a 5* SSR?
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>>3491294
I think even Truvi wanted a piece of us for a bit before losing Lancer.
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Also, don’t get too cocky about our stats boys. Akeldama!Saber was pretty great stats-wise, and we all know how that turned out for him.
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I just realized that we came 1 short of bringing every relevant female onto our campus.
>>3491313
Okay, but we aren't dumb.
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>>3491313
Saber got fucked over by a crit fail and then he got killed because we killed his master and he ran out of gas. He was hardly a slouch, but he also wasn't bright.
Also none of that kick-ass B-rank Mind's Eye (True).
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>>3491297
Some Lancers with A+ Speed:
>Diarmuid
>Old Li Shuwen
>Fionn
>Proto-Cu
>Enkidu (if summoned by Alaya or sacrificing a rank in Constitution)
Let's also include Lancers who could potentially or definitely increase their Agility above A with Magecraft:
>F/SN Cu
>Scathach
That's not accounting for whatever Sweets has cooked up.

I can also compile a list of every canon Servant that's faster than us.
>>3491313
He died because he lost his Master to a vastly superior combatant, not because of his own faults.
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>>3491319
>>3491323
>>3491325
That’s what I’m saying. Even if our stats are amazing, w/o that IA goodness if our master goes so do we. We have to be a smidge more careful with ourself than Master Rushorou was, as there are two lose conditions in this iteration of the quest (and I doubt we get Tiger Dojo if the master perishes)
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>>3491332
Hopefully, we won't be stupid enough to let Vaisset try to solo a goddamn combat homunculus.
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>>3491338
>”Master go in your corner while I, RUSHOROU, destroy the second shittiest Servant and second shittiest master in the world”
Lel
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The real kicker is if we're able to go spiritual form or not.
I shouldn't have to tell you why.
would you whale for our boy?
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We should probably try learning how to master our NPs before fighting any Servants.
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>>3491365
I'd guess not.
Not even our boy could make me whale. Save, sure, but not whale.

>>3491382
Yeah, gonna need to figure out names first. Can't really unleash their power otherwise.
On that note, how do you think Servants will react to their NPs being cut like butter?
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>>3491382
>Sword
>Same cloak as in life, but bigger
Seems pretty ez to me

>>3491387
Depends, but generally with a “NANI!?!”
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>>3491387
>>3491392
With a side of "BAKANA!"

Lategame us is pretty ridiculous, now that I think about it.
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>>3491365
>>3491387
would our boy be SSR? Where would he be on the tier list? I imagine Conceptual Biology clears all debuffs and possibly gives immunity to them for a few turns. Minds Eye (true) is just defend and dodge and Charisma is Charisma.
NP is either Sword or Sword + Cloak at the same time
Sword would probably ignore defence, defence buffs and invincibility on a single unit and if the cloak is used too it probably gives invincibility in some way.
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>>3491392
>>3491400
"SANADA BEEEACH"
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>>3491422
I don't think we're gonna fight Joseph Joestar, anon.
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I suppose any Servant with a way to kill us without needing to touch us would be a problem.
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>>3491437
We got a big boy cape and B rank magic resist to deal with range now.
Course, we just killed Caster.
So both our class skills are worthless.
But!
We look cool as shit.
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>>3491432
Who knows, we haven't seen anything of Outer Archer yet.
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>>3491446
Remember, some NPs are Magecraft. Those might be blocked. MIGHT
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>>3491446
No, I'm talking about Servants like Medusa, who do not need to touch us to kill us, period.
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>>3491474
>We kinda counter Gil
>But Medusa counters us
Ugh...
We'll probably have to work with another Servant.
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>>3491494
You do realise this isn't in fact the F/sn war.
As much as it would be hilarious to cut Excalibur in two.
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>>3491494
Yeah, I was only using her as an example of what can fuck us.
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>>3491501
>>3491506
I know, I'm also talking about the general case.
Probably should've made that clearer.
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>>3491446
Well, at the very least, other masters will struggle to use magic on us. That means the possible loli Tohsaka won't be able to kill us by pumping us full of gems, if nothing else.

>>3491474
>>3491506
Medusa might not be able to petrify us, actually. We have B-rank Magical Energy and B-rank Magic Resistance, so we could feasibly resist Cybele's petrification (though we'd still get pressured). And if she tries to hit us with Bellerophon, we can just answer with a shoulder check.
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>>3491506
Unless we get our other two servants back yeah, we're gonna have to watch out.
But if they somehow do make it?
Fun times.
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>>3491522
>But if they somehow do make it?
Anon, I....
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>>3491526
Anon shut the fuck up.
Circe is there, if there's anyone who can figure something out it's her.
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>>3491526
>Inb4 the scream is Vaisset freaking out because our servants just appeared
We can always look at our hands to see if we still have the command seals. Judas did give us an extra pair, after all.
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>>3491540
Yeah but one problem.
He might command us to attack them.
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>>3491579
Just knock him out before he gets that thought.
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>>3491580
We just use our Magic Resistance and ridiculous [PRIDE] to resist.
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>>3491579
We can refuse unless he uses a command seal, and if he does use a command seal then a) we can try to resist it and b) we're betraying the ever-loving shit out of him first chance we get. Dumbass summoned Judas Iscariot so he shouldn't have much of a problem with it.
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>>3491597
>"Hold on dipshit, those are my servants."
>"What?"
>"Master of Caster, I am your servant, the Master of Caster: Saber."
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Where's Sweets? Is he sleeping at 10.00 in the morning???
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>>3491618
Anon.
Timezones.
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>>3491621
No he's right. Sweets lives on the West coast of burgerland.
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>>3491621
He's on Pacific Time, iirc. It's 10.00 AM there...
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>>3491618
My last update was after 4AM, cut me some slack.
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>>3491630
These people don't know the pain of QMs that go missing for multiple days.
Or weeks.
Or months.
I'm looking forward to the continuation, but no rush.
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>>3491630
No, this is an unforgivable crime, how dare you take six whole hours to write an update??? I'M LEAVING not really
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>>3491636
>>These people don't know the pain of QMs that go missing for multiple days.
>>Or weeks.
>>Or months.
>implying
Fuck, where did the worm quests go? This is all I have now.
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>>3491630
Shut up, writeslave. Back to the sweatshop with you.
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>>3491624
...and yes, it is 10:11 here now.

>>3491195
For comparison, this puts you an inch shorter and 3KG lighter than Lancelot, and an inch taller than F/SN Archer.

>>3491270
>Vaisset is almost certainly a brainlet, since it never even occurred to him that Caster might not be able to make the Akeldama work.
Remember that for him, no time has passed since activating the NP. Whether he considered it might fail or not, he has plenty of reason to be surprised.

>>3491540
>We can always look at our hands to see if we still have the command seals.
Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.
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>>3491648
>he knows my pain
Rip Nazi, Wendigo and everything else.
It's a cursed setting.
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>>3491652
>For comparison, this puts you an inch shorter and 3KG lighter than Lancelot
fuck
>and an inch taller than F/SN Archer.
EMILET ON SUICIDE WATCH FUCK YEAH
>Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.
We can just dematerialize that real quick after the battle, yeah?
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>>3491640
>six whole hours
Joke's on you, I'm only starting to write now.
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>>3491652
>an inch taller than F/SN Archer
>we can make fun of Archer for being a manlet
What a great timeline to be in.

>he has plenty of reason to be surprised
Fair enough. I guess he didn't really get a good read on how Akeldama really works before telling Caster to hop to it.

>Just a note, your hands are currently covered by your armor.
I'm aware, but since we can will our armor into and out of existence because servant, we can take care of that shortly.
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>>3491608
I think we'd be (at least inwardly) overjoyed at seeing our friends again. Oh, it'd be nice to see Truvi too, I guess.
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>want to edit that Agravain image
>can only find an ant sized version
I'm the world's angriest man.
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>>3491680
Yeah, I didn't post the crappy quality version because I like fuzzy images.
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>>3491670
We can also make fun of him that we're actually a Saber and he isn't.
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>>3491685
And also that we aren't an Alayacuck.
And our girlfriend's a better Magus than his.
And our NPs counter him.
And we're a better driver.
And not an infinitely worse cook.
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>>3491696
That last one is up for debate.

To put the final nail in the coffin, we need to get more bitches than him. That means at least 5 total to outclass his 4. We've got 2 in the bag.
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>>3491696
>our NPs counter him
I don't know...
He probably can't copy and use them considering they are linked to our element and origin.
But the asshole is Gil Lite in what his arsenal actually includes.
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>>3491696
>we're a better driver.
You've never driven, so...
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>>3491708
Can't be bad at something if you never do it.
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>>3491708
Consolation Riding E still makes us 10x better than average.
Or some shit.
Also have we really never used a bicycle?
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>>3491704
We already kinda fuck over Gil's arsenal, as was covered previously.
Imagine what we'll do to Gil Lite.
>>3491708
We have consolation Riding, he doesn't
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>>3491717
We fuck over Gil because Gil spams like a retard.
Archer's range is just unfair.
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It really would come down to how long you can sustain your Noble Phantasm.
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>>3491696
Oh, and we outmatch him physically.
>EMIYA:
>Strength D
>Endurance C
>Agility C

>Yumigawa:
>Strength B
>Endurance C
>Agility A
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>>3491722
Honestly in actual melee he dies insanely quickly against us.
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Folks, remember how I said later on in Fate/City Akeldama that I'd ranked Perseus' battle continuation too high for how I actually wanted him to function?
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>>3491729
Yeah?
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>>3491729
I-
Yes.
...why?
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>>3491729
>our everything is ranked too high
Sweets, kindly don't
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I wrote your character sheet in the middle of the night, and made a couple of minor errors. Just tweaking two details.
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>>3491740
Oh god no not this.
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>>3491747
Oh god no not the nerfhammer.
Save me EMIYA!
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>>3491747
>Agility down to B
>Eye of the Mind down to C
Not that bad after all.
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>>3491757
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>>3491757
Now we DEFINITELY have to be more careful.
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>>3491757
That’s honestly a massive debuff to the stats I trusted, damn. Oh well, guess we’re just going to have to break out those NPs earlier.
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>>3491776
It really is not, B-Rank stats are still quite good. Consider some of the other Sabers with B-Rank Strength and Agility.
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>>3491757
Ouch. I think losing that rank in Mind's Eye (True) hurts a lot more than one in Agility. Still a respectable statline, but considering how broken all servants are by nature it's sad to see them go. We'll need every advantage we can get.
The status sheet says we had E-rank Mind's Eye as a human. Didn't we end up with rank D after our second spar with Matsuda, or did we get a boost in a different stat and I'm just remembering wrong?
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>>3491830
>spoiler
Agility.
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>>3491830
Agility

And yeah, the Mind’s Eye is the one I care more about. With the way Archer, Akeldama or FSN, performs, it’s going to be missed.
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>>3491830
>>3491837
After thinking about it, I decided that having Mind's Eye (True) on par with those two is just a bit too much for our new Saber. You may have been buffed by Judas' power, but you definitely aren't as battle-hardened as counter guardian Emiya.
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Drawing your sword, you rush back the way you came, rapidly descending back into Vaisset's basement workshop. Although you may be uncertain of the Master-Servant relationship here, the fact that he's your energy supply is clear. As you head down the stairs, the steep angle of the corridor blocking your view of the room, you call, "Magus, what's going on?"

When the room does come into view what greets your eyes is not carnage, but a scene of minor domestic discord. Vaisset stands face to face with a furious teenage girl, with blue eyes and black shoulder-length hair. She's wearing a school uniform with a navy sweater and orange ribbon, and there are several burned holes in both the sweater and the skirt. "Nii-san, now I'll have to have my uniform replaced again! Can't you be more careful with your work?"

"Ayaka, I have told you repeatedly not to come in here when I'm working," he replies, "If you ruin your clothing because you insist on bringing it somewhere dangerous, that's really your responsibility. Just why are you wearing a school uniform at this time of night, anyway?"

"It's a replacement for the last one you ruined! This just arrived today, and I wanted to make sure it fit!" She sighs heavily. "Honestly, Nii-san, I can't believe you. How is it you never manage to ruin your own clothing, but my uniform gets burnt every time I come to see what you're up to?"

Clearly the two siblings are too caught up in their own argument to have noticed your shout. A bit embarrassed, you sheathe your sword and take a look around. There's a large burn mark on Vaisset's worktable, which makes the course of events plain enough. Apparently after you left to examine your new form, Vaisset simply went back to working.

Turning to go, Vaisset's sister finally notices you and stops in her tracks. She takes a half-step back, eyes widening in sudden alarm at the stranger in her home. "Nii-san, who is that?" she asks quietly, watching you for signs of aggression. At the same time, you really notice her. More specifically, the details of her uniform. It's the winter uniform for girls at your high school! You don't recognize the girl personally, but she looks like a first or second year, so you wouldn't know her.

>[ ] Write in your response.
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>>3491850
>"Oh, don't mind me, your brother just wanted tips for cosplaying so I came round to show him my outfit. My professional handle is Saber, maybe you've heard of me?"
Hey.
It worked on Taiga.
And if she knows enough about magic she'll know just what we are.
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>>3491850
"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."

A member of our own (former) student body? This is interesting. Did Truvi ever mention to us that mage families are only supposed to have a single heir?

>>3491845
It makes perfect sense, but god damn if high-ranking Mind's Eye (True) isn't desirable.

Speaking of servant adderall, does anybody know the difference between Mind's Eye (False) and Instinct? I've been trying to figure it out since reading FSN and I just don't see it.
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>>3491850
>I am SABER, familiar of Jean-Pierre Vaisset, summoned to achieve total victory in the HOLY GRAIL WAR.
>our high school
O boi, now we double have to win this.
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>>3491898
>going full autismo on somebody who might not even be aware of magecraft.
C-can you not?
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>>3491899
But anon, I must
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>>3491890
>"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."
Forgot to greentext this and it felt wrong.

>>3491898
>telling someone who might not know
>sperging out when we don't even technically know if Vaisset is our master even though he totally is
Rushorou is a bit more controlled than that, you know.
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>>3491890
This doesn’t seem like the most professional of mage families...
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>>3491890
>Did Truvi ever mention to us that mage families are only supposed to have a single heir?
She didn't mention it.
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On the one hand, our Master just condemned 1000 people to their deaths.
On the other hand he doesn't seem too bad.
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>>3491904
Yeah. Shitty as mages are, I doubt that a proper mage would ever decide on summoning the world's most infamous traitor as a loyal servant. Vaisset has also displayed a rather significant lack of understanding about how the Akeldama works and, apparently, an ineptitude profound enough to do constant damage to his sister's wardrobe. This guy needs some help.

>>3491909
Given how he's been acting so far, I don't think he actually understood Akeldama all that well. He probably told Judas to hop to it as soon as Judas said that Akeldama could win them the war hands-down and didn't give him a chance to explain how things really work. Judas himself said he was pretty much rushed into activating his NP.

>>3491906
Okay, then Rushorou wouldn't know about that. Thanks.
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>>3491913
We can judge him from his reaction that 1046 (mostly) innocent people are dead by his order.
The other surviving Servants have gone missing.
And we don't quite know where the 4 humans are.
It's possible that they were all killed when the Akeldama collapsed.
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>>3491929
Sweets has said that we'd return to the exact moment in time when Akeldama began, and from there I expect the survivors would return to their previous positions as well. I think the fact that we appeared where Caster was when Akeldama began after we "took his place" testifies to that. Odds are they're alive. We may want to test whether or not that's true by stopping by Matsuda's high school at some point.
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>>3491936
Then...
Where the fuck are Caster and Berser-
...
Oh no.
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>>3491941
>everyone returns to where they were before being summoned
Now, where do Servants come from?
please let me be wrong
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I don't know how much you want to trust him, but for what it's worth, Judas did say that your Servants would be sustained in the outside world by your existence.
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>>3491971
>Circe is in fuckoff Mediterranean
>Adelheid is in the Fuhrerbunker
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>>3491983
Well now that would be "fun."
Well I hope she enjoys THE ABSOLUTE STATE of Germany in that case.
Maybe we should ask our master to turn on the news.
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So far we have nobody voting for anyone else's response, making this a three-way tie. It's still wide open for new responses or arguments for what you've written.
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>>3491890
>>3491901
Gonna go ahead and support this. It would probably embarrass our Master by making him out to be a LARPing NEET but it's better than nothing.
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>>3492030
Here goes.

>>3491883
A good one-off excuse, but it doesn't explain the fact that we're going to be around quite often and it might obliterate Ayaka's reputation of us right off the bat.

>>3491898
We don't need her thinking we're a chuuni, either.
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>>3492030
Ey, woke up just in time to break the tie.
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>>3491890
>>"My apologies. I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."

You know Sweets, I figured I would miss a little bit when I hit the hay last night. Didn't think it would be the start of a new quest.
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>>3491850
>>3491898
I’ll switch to ID’s
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>>3492069
Sorry about the timing, then. I think I explained my reasoning for breaking it off there at the end of the last thread, though. I hope you got the chance to vote on the "form of power" decision.
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"My apologies," you say with a slight bow, "I would have introduced myself sooner, but you were preoccupied. You can call me Saber. I'm here to meet with your brother about his work and potentially lend him my aid. You may be seeing a lot of me in the near future."

"Sa-" Ayaka starts, before snapping her mouth shut and turning to her brother again. She whispers, too loudly to keep you from hearing, "I thought you said you'd summoned Caster, Nii-san! What's going on? Did you actually manage to get the strongest Servant, Saber?"

With the burden of explaining a situation he doesn't fully understand now shifted to him, Vaisset coughs into his fist. "Ahem. I... thought that I had summoned Caster, Ayaka, but it seems that there was a bit of a misunderstanding. It's getting rather late; why don't you go to bed, and I'll explain the situation in the morning. Once Saber and I have had a chance to discuss matters."

Ayaka pouts, but doesn't protest. "If you say so, Nii-san. I think this is a real improvement for you, though."

The girl walks up to you, heading for the stairs, but stops again in front of you, examining you up close for the first time. Staring uncomfortably hard at your face, in fact, her glasses taking on the character of a different kind of lens. Under her breath, almost inaudibly, she mutters, "President Yumigawa...?" Then she shakes her head, blinking rapidly. Without looking again, she pushes past you ascends into the rest of the house.

"Well, now you've met my sister," Vaisset says, once she's gone. "Would you care to introduce yourself to me, Saber? And while you're at it, to explain why you're here in Caster's place?"

You shake your head, cutting off any further questions. "I have to begin with a few questions of my own, Magus," you say. "First, are you Jean-Pierre Vaisset, the Master of Caster? The man who ordered the use of the Noble Phantasm Akeldama?"

"I am indeed," he replies indignantly, "but I should expect you'd know that before appearing here. Just what is this all about? How could another Servant have become involved with Caster's ritual?"

Unmoved by his questions, you continue your own interrogation. "In that case, I suppose you are to be my Master. Now then, how much do you know about the workings of Akeldama?"

"From what Caster told me, it's a ritual-based Noble Phantasm which allows him to instantaneously and surreptitiously drain the life force from a large number of people. The influx of power, he said, would allow him to win the war easily. Naturally, I had him activate it immediately. Now, I was prepared for some sort of spectacular transformation, but not for him to be replaced by an entirely different Servant. So who are you, and what's going on?" From the sound of it, Vaisset is almost completely ignorant of Judas' true nature. This gives you a fair amount of leeway in terms of handling the situation.
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>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)

>[ ] Keep the truth of the matter to yourself and give Vaisset a cover story. (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Say something else (write in)
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>>3492187
>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)
But can we skip on mentioning that we were in fact a Master and that other servants survived?
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>>3492192
>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)
Leave whether or not we were a Master or a Servant ambiguous

>The girl walks up to you, heading for the stairs, but stops again in front of you, examining you up close for the first time. Staring uncomfortably hard at your face, in fact, her glasses taking on the character of a different kind of lens. Under her breath, almost inaudibly, she mutters, "President Yumigawa...?" Then she shakes her head, blinking rapidly. Without looking again, she pushes past you ascends into the rest of the house.
Damn, she knows
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>>3492200
Yeah, just give him the tl;dr:
>We were summoned to participate in the Akeldama "Grail War", hosted by Caster
>we defeated Caster at the end of the War
Here we are. If he asks what our name is, just say "I don't know".
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>>3492192
>[ ] Keep the truth of the matter to yourself and give Vaisset a cover story. (Self-Preservation)
Judas used the Akeldama to get the honorable death he wanted and wasn't interested in fighting in your war. So instead I'm here. Luckily for you, I'm very interested in fighting in this war. That's all you need to know for now.
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>>3492230
This is also good.
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>>3492192
>[ ] Give him specific details.
Explain the basic function of Akeldama and that Caster hosted a Grail War within to get more power.
Though Caster's plan was to kill everyone inside, we managed to outsmart him and kill him inside his own world.
Due to the effect of Akeldama, we've been given Caster's place in an actual Holy Grail War.
Tell him he should be thankful for the upgrade.

Leave out whether we were master or servant. If he asks what our name is, say that we either don't know or that it's up for debate.
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>>3492237
Supporting.
Switch from
>>3492200
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>>3492237
>If he asks what our name is, say that we either don't know or that it's up for debate.
Quick question, Sweets: did anyone ever explain to Rushorou that servants can come from the past, present, and future? As far as I know, Caster only said past, but if we know otherwise we can tell him the truth: Our name doesn't matter because we aren't a hero yet.
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>>3492216
>inb4 his sister was one of our secret admirers at school.
No idea how she saw through our new face or non manlet status.
Same voice?
Alternatively, magical bullshit.
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>>3492253
No, you're only familiar with the idea of Servants coming from the past.
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>>3492237
Switching.
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>>3492255
It’s magical bullshit anon
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>>3492276
Geez, Sweets is such a hack.
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>>3492276
We could just say we've got a name hiding Noble Phantasm.
Could also say that we "were" Yumigawa until we were modified into an unknown servant.
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>>3492289
"The man known as Yumigawa Rushorou is no more, he was one of the 1050 abducted by Caster's noble phantasm, in the process of attempting to survive the ordeal he came into contact with a lesser grail which irreversibly altered his existence into me. My true name is something even I do not know, likely a result of Caster's summoning methods for the servants, perhaps I am a hero lost to the annals of history."
Or something.
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>>3492328
I say we say nothing. She wants to confront the 6’2” armored servant about being a Japanese schoolboy? She can be my guest.
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>>3492361
Actually when you put it this way we probably don't have anything to worry about.
Though if she DOES say something we should prepare some excuses.
Maybe her magical glasses are on the fritz.
Maybe Yumigawa himself messed with them.
He might secretly be a magus?
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>>3492368
Instead, I think we should prepare some snide or teasing comments, preferably with a dash of irony.
Something like "If you think this 'Yumigawa' resembles me, he must be quite the man."

Alternatively, we can tell her (some of) the truth so she doesn't get as suspicious that Rushorou mysteriously disappeared right around the time of Akeldama. We can say that Yumigawa Rushorou was a master in the Akeldama Grail War. The last we'd heard of him was that he'd been attacked by Archer and Rider shortly before we killed Caster and ended Akeldama.
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Working so no updates for a while, FYI.

>>3492368
>Maybe her magical glasses are on the fritz.
You didn't notice magic from the glasses. When I said they took on the character of another lens, it was just a flowery way of saying it felt like you were under a microscope.
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>>3492192
>>[ ] Explain the circumstances of the Akeldama Grail War. (Duty)
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Ok how does this work?
I couldn't get rid of the fucking fur because it's kind of an essential design element but I did my best
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>>3492528
Breddy gud, though I thought our eyes were Einzbern red.
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>>3492556
Ok fixed the eyes and made the hair a little whiter
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>>3492564
Naisu.

Also, speaking about a harem...
>inb4 all of them are of questionable physical age
We seem to have a knack for that, even if it was unintentional.
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>>3492578
>Truvi- Adolescent/Teenager proper
>Adelheid- Child
>Circe- Teenagerish
>Ayaka- teenager
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>>3492580
>including Truvi
I think she fell out after Perseus jobbed, so that 2/3.
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>>3492187
>random girl who goes to our school manages to discern our identity by looking at us really hard
>despite the face that we look immensely different
>we don't sense any magic
Did we have a fucking stalker?
A magus stalker?
Is this why EMIYA never interacts with Taiga or Sakura?
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>>3492587
Hey, I was talking about attracting girls of questionable age, not a shit harem shenanigans
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>>3492591
Fair enough.
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What are the odds of the inevitable Einzbern trying to study/dissect us?
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>>3492591
It's possible that Truvi might somewhat like us again after we tried to honour our alliance after revealing that the whole war was a fucking lie and we were all set up to fail.
We were the only person who didn't trust that dickhead priest from the start.
And then after finally killing him he fucking japed us and managed to totally fuck us over.
God knows what that shit looked like to everyone else
>"You can hear cries of shock and rage from the people around you, but sound too loses its cohesion, its meaning"
They sounded pretty mad about it too.
Not sure if that includes Truvi.
We made it pretty clear we fucking knew we were about to get fucked over too but weren't really given a choice in the matter.
Fucking Judas.
>>3492600
We're actually a servant now so they can fuck right off with that shit.
Just a coincidence.
I wonder if what we currently are is the peak of what we'll ever be or if we can still get stronger.
A shame the gloves didn't manifest as a skill or something.
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LMao, just realized sweets linked part nine in op rather than 10
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Hmm.
>Hitler and Longinus in same war
>Cowboy and Pirate in the same war ending with Cowboy VS Pirate
Neat.
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I got wondering about our sword. What WOULDN'T it be able to cut besides Ea and Avalon?
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>>3492689
God Hand and Armour of Fafnir? They both act as conceptual defenses (God Hand blocks anything below A Rank, Armour of Fafnir reduces incoming damage by 40 where 40 = B Rank).
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>>3492689
Nothing, b/c it’s not cutting so much as it is transporting a thin strip of stuff to the realm of imaginary numbers. Things Rushorou can’t hit I suppose.
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>>3492689
Maybe Alcides' pelt of the Nemean Lion?
But it's not really a sword or the product of Human Civilization.
"armor that cannot be pierced by any tool created by humans"
It was created by grailfuckery.
But I'm not entirely certain
Basically Herc will fuck our shit up no matter what.
>>3492697
Armour of Fafnir too yeah.
But honestly we won't know it's limits until we actually try it.
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>>3492689
Maybe our cloak if it's active too? No idea how that interaction would play out.
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>>3492711
Ah yes
the ultimate suicide attack of Yumigawa Rushorou
"put the bag of holding into the bag of holding"
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>>3492689
Could we cut through reality marble bullshit? Would our portal-sword be able to disrupt the energies enough for that?

>>3492697
Hmm. I hope we either manage to get stronger as a Servant, or manage ways around negation passives like those If we run Into them.
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>>3492710
It is technically made by Akeldama, and therefore a product of human artifice. It's safe to assume that the weapon must be explicitly natural in origin to cut through the Pelt.
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Actually what we might be missing out on Is that we have B rank Magical energy as a Saber.

We might want to put some of that energy to use, using our element magecraft style, If possible. There's a potential beam attack right there, or better yet extend our swords effect via portal to go for the 'long ranged Invisible slash attack'.
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>>3492724
If only we could FIND CIRCE.
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>>3492724
>>3492729
Hey, if we still have them and still have a connection to our Servants, Judas was kind enough to give us two extra command spells.

In the meantime, we could probably have Vaisset teach us reinforcement magic as a way to put our ridiculous magical energy to use. Even if both our servants are alive and getting 50 circuits' worth of magical energy each, we'll still have more than an average mages' circuits leftover.
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>>3492729
>Akeldama falls apart
>everything is black
>open eyes
>BACK ON THIS FUCKING ISLAND GOD DAMN IT
>oh wait I'm not trapped anymore
>time to find Rushorou~
Would almost be as fun as Adelheid blowing up the Reichstag out of pure raeg.
We can only really wonder where they are.
That is, if they ARE at all.
Judas said they'd continue to exist but who knows?
I hope he was being truthful and all the shit we did wasn't ultimately irrelevant.
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>>3492738
Oh, NOW you want to learn Reinforcement?
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>>3492741
Transference carried later on in the battle and gifted us an NP, don’t even anon
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>>3492741
We had Circe in Akeldama. Learning reinforcement would have been a waste. Now we don't have Circe.

And don't even pretend transference didn't absolutely fucking save us with command spell memes. Caster and Adelheid might have even survived because of it.
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>>3492744
>>3492748
I'm just saying, we could've done both...
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>>3492748
O MY MAGIC TRANSFERENCE
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>>3492751
We could have, but reinforcement still would have been a waste of time because we had no reason to believe we'd get turned into a fucking saber servant with B-rank magical energy. Only now, in hindsight, can we look back and say it would have been ultimately beneficial.
Gonna need to find some way to put that stat to use, for sure.

>>3492761
O MY MELTED LOCK
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>>3492771
At least we have lots of Magic to fuel our NP.
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>>3492789
the mana stat only controls how much mana we can use not what we have. we need to rely on a master to have "lots of magic" to fuel our NP
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>>3492771
I just like that we're basically the jack of all trades Saber.
Sword and Board kinda.
>Good sword
>Good defensive armament
>both are actually portals to the fuck you dimension
Additionally our stats are ok.
I'm sad we seem to have lost the gloves of lern 2 fight.
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>>3492810
Maybe that was what gave us the two ranks in Mind's Eye.
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>>3492799
Anon, Jean might be a pretty good Master to have supported Judas' Reality Marble (I can only assume that's what Akeldama is). The cost of organizing and maintaining the Inner Grail War could've been pretty high, instantaneous nature notwithstanding.
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>>3492814
The Akeldama did that

>>3492823
No way sweets gifts us a good master, we’re going to have to deal with decent/10 stats and a retard to compensate for the infallibility, invincibility, and perfection of RUSHOROU.
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>>3492835
>The Akeldama did that
Well, yes, but I'm saying the two ranks were derived from the fightan gloves
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>>3492863
Based on the word of god (Sweets), the Akeldama just straight buffed a skill we earned in life by being a pretty good commander. Really, beyond the skills being present on the stat sheet I don’t think anything Rushorou did in Akeldama influenced his Servant stats overmuch.
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So quick summary what is going on?
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>>3493059
We killed Cid (who was actually Judas), took his place in the Outer Grail War as Saber #2 and it turns out our Master is Ayaka's older brother.
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>>3492874
Charisma D was derived from your command abilities in Akeldama.
Mind's Eye (True) C was derived from a combination of factors. The Gloves of Muscle Memory enhanced your learning ability enough for you to develop Mind's Eye (True) E, and when you became a Servant your potential for further development through them was sublimated into Mind's Eye (True) C.
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>>3493059
I can summarize, but how much have you missed?
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>>3493067
Quite a bit. I got the gist so far though.
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>>3493071
What's the last thing you remember?
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>>3493074
getting summoned and a scream but I just read up. Good now.
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I need to go to sleep earlier than usual, so I'd like to propose a little to-do list since I won't be able to participate tonight:
>Check our arm for command spells, but don't let Jean or Ayaka see.
>If the spells are there, check for the telepathic connection to our servants, but be careful not to accidentally contact our master instead. This should be avoidable by asking something without using our servant's names, like a simple "Are you there?" when we have the mental image of them in our head for telepathic communication.
>Test whether or not we can dematerialize. My guess is it's impossible for us since we're not actually dead yet, much like Saber from FSN.
>Get some other clothes to walk around in that aren't the armor we're wearing. We'll draw enough attention from the fact that we're a 6'2" foreigner-looking guy.
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>>3493170
Yeah, this is all good.
Of course, we don't have to find casual clothes if we can dematerialize.
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>>3493170
>Get some other clothes to walk around in that aren't the armor we're wearing.
I'm sure Vaisset has a yellow raincoat somewhere.
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As you may have noticed from my ID, I'm finally back home! Now writing >>3492237.
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>>3493170
>Check for command seals
Which if we have them can be an ace in the hole.
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"Akeldama was not simply a ritual to harvest energy, Mr. Vaisset. It created its own world, the private domain of Caster, cut off from space and time." You keep your tone flat and authoritative as you explain, probing his face for any sign of deception or recognition. "To that world, Caster summoned over a thousand humans and nine Servants, including himself. He held his own private Holy Grail War, lasting ten days, the object being to see every summoned being dead. That was how he intended to absorb our energy, Mr. Vaisset; by our sacrifice."

"Well, that's quite the strange ability," Vaisset says, visibly energized by curiosity. "Most unusual indeed. From the sound of it, it wasn't a Reality Marble, as they layer their effects over ordinary space-time, rather than being cut off. Could he truly have created an entirely separate world?" As he says this, Vaisset's attention drifts from your face; he seems to be focused more on the inner world of magical theory. Then his eyes snap back to yours. "Ah, but excuse me; I was becoming distracted. How did you manage to survive, Saber?" This is said in quite the conversational tone, as if the idea such a question might offend never crosses his mind.

"On the tenth day of the Grail War, I was able to discover Caster's scheme and kill him inside his world. I wasn't sent back, however. Instead, the effect of Akeldama bound me to his role in the true Holy Grail War, out here: the role of your Servant." You fold your arms over your chest and grin smugly down at him. "Frankly, you should be grateful for the upgrade. Caster wasn't much of a fighter, you know."

Vaisset pauses for a few breaths, staring off into space and muttering, "...and to think, all that happened in no more than a moment. I turned my back here, and for a thousand people ten days passed. Chronomancy on an unprecedented scale! Most incredible." Then he finds his voice, and returns to decent eye contact. "I suppose I truly am your Master then, Saber. I hope ours will prove to be a truly productive partnership."

The magus extends his hand, and you give it a firm shake. "As do I, Mr. Vaisset. As do I." With a flourish, you draw your sword, holding the black blade point-upward, the hilt at your chest. Again, the words of a Servant seem to come to you by instinct. "Though I was not brought forth according to your summons, our contract is complete. From this time forward, my sword shall be with you and your fate shall be with me."

"Wonderful, wonderful," Vaisset says in a mild tone quite at odds with the superlative. "I'm sure we will achieve great things together. Now, er, what is your name, Saber? Which heroic spirit are you? The War may not be in full swing yet, but that doesn't excuse us from making plans; I'll need to know your abilities."

"..." You don't answer. You remain silent, your lips tightly shut in a frown.
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"Saber?" Vaisset gives you a confused look. "I'm asking you a question, you know. You just swore to our partnership, didn't you? This is something rather important."

You heave a sigh. "...that's something I can't tell you, Mr. Vaisset."

"Huh?" Vaisset's eyes widen in shock. "Now why on earth-"

"I can't answer the question of who I am, because..." You trail off, putting on a troubled frown. Vaisset just waits, eying you expectantly. "It's... because I don't know myself."

"You don't- what? Saber, is this some kind of joke? If you're putting me on, I swear..." Though he'd been warming to you, Vaisset is now back to his former indignant fury.

"Oh, it's no joke," you say with a grave expression. "I'm afraid you can blame your Caster for the circumstances of my summoning. It seems my memory is confused. I know who I am as a Servant, but things like my name and origin are a bit vague..." Shifting to a placating smile, you continue, "they're trivial matters, in any case. You needn't worry about it."

"Needn't worry? Of course I'm worried! Without knowing your identity, I can't gauge your strength as a Servant or plan for your abilities! How do you expect me to do my job as a Master with your identity unknown?"

"Oh, that's no problem," you say, still smiling. "My strength is already proven, after all. I defeated Caster, the Servant you'd summoned previously, in a world of his own design. Whatever my identity may be, I can promise you that my power is beyond reproach."

This rationale is apparently unsatisfying, as Vaisset sinks his head into his hands. "Ooh," he groans, "I can't take much more of this. In one day, my summoning goes haywire, the Servant who appears fails his first task, my synthetic elemental conversion blows up in my face, and I get a replacement with no memories! This is the end for me tonight. I need some sleep." Straightening up and turning on his heel, he quickly heads for the exit. At the last moment he stops, turning back to you. "My apologies for the outburst," he says, "but I really am quite overstretched. Good night, Saber. Familiars don't sleep, I know, so why don't you just spend the night in your spirit form? We'll discuss the war further in the morning."

"Sleep well, Mr. Vaisset," you reply, and he makes his exit. With his departure, you're free for the remainder of the night; however long that is. You were summoned in your sleep, of course, and from the sound of things it is late, but without your watch you don't have a clue about the specific hour.

>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)

>[ ] Explore the mansion. (Write in any particular focus) (Curiosity)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3493284
>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)
This might hurt but it shouldn't kill us, right?
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>>3493284
>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)
>[ ] Explore the mansion. (Write in any particular focus) (Curiosity)
Focus on the layout and whatever security measures Vaisset may have put in
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Man, our Master didn't even bat an eye at the prospect of everybody practically dying.
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>>3493302
Pretty normal for a Magus...
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>>3493303
I'm more speaking from New Saber's perspective.
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>>3493305
Why would Yumigawa bat an eye at everyone dying? He doesn't give a fuck about anyone except the Yumisquad.
Maybe he'll think about it while he explores the mansion?
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>>3493309
We have no prior experience with Magi besides Truvi, who was empathetic for a Magus, if not wrongly arrogant.
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>>3493316
So maybe he'll think about it.
Or maybe he'll be more worried about his friends, now that the initial confusion is passing. It's up to Sweets
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>>3493309
>spoiler
We should probably try going into spirit form before contemplating going anywhere after it failing, which Saber wouldn't know that it would.
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>>3493322
What I'm saying is that we wouldn't know it would fail before we try, so why think about an alternative action until we do.
Untie the vote, we seem to be the only ones here.
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>>3493326
Nothing tied about it, we're both voting to ghostify
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I just realized that, due to Akeldama, nobody will really know that 1050 people have gone missing until 3-4 days later real-time. Ayaka will probably figure out who we were earlier, though.
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>>3493331
But what's her last name? Sajyou?
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>>3491850
>a furious teenage girl, with blue eyes and black shoulder-length hair. She's wearing a school uniform with a navy sweater and orange ribbon
Yup, we're in the Protoverse.
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>>3493341
Fuck you.
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>>3493341
So, which Fuyuki War is this?
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>>3493341
You're on the right track, but it's not quite the Prototype timeline. If you read a bit about the setting of Prototype, that should be clear.

Also I confirmed in a previous thread that Fate/Stay Night happened in 2004 in this timeline.
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>>3493348
Yumigawa Rushorou lives in an upscale suburb of Tokyo. Ayaka attends your high school. You're pretty sure this house isn't in Fuyuki City.
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>>3493349
Oh, right. In that case it's undoubtedly a horrible mashup of Tsukihime, Fate/Strange Fake and Prillya
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>>3493359
What else explains Manaka being replaced by a frenchie?
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>>3493284
>Explore the mansion
it won't hurt to see if there is anybody in danger nearby, also lets see if we still have command seals.
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>>3493363
Sorry I meant would be the danger as in another Servant.
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>>3493359
>horrible mashup
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>>3493363
You tied the vote, m8.
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>>3493371
Obviously we must explore the mansion while dematerialized.
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Can we do both, Sweets?
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>>3493375
You can try dematerializing and then explore, sure. Right now I have a 3-way tie, though.
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switching to >>3493300.
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>>3493377
Nah, we have:
>>3493297 (Fade away)
>>3493300 (Fade away, explore)
>>3493363 (Explore)
You have the option of counting it as choosing to fade away and then explore.
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>>3493284
>[ ] Follow Vaisset's instructions and attempt to fade into spirit form. (Duty)
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You decide to begin by trying out what Vaisset asked you to do. You will yourself to dematerialize, for your physical body to vanish.

Nothing happens. You try closing your eyes and focusing on the composition of your body, visualizing the flesh and bone that make up your material form and compelling them to transform into ephemeral spirit.

Nothing happens. After a few more tries, you finally give up on the idea. However a Servant normally manages the transition between a physical body and a spirit form, it seems to be impossible for you to do so.

With the matter of your spirit form brought to a disappointing conclusion, you resolve to explore Vaisset's mansion. As you make your way up and out of the basement workshop, you find yourself expecting the same meandering vastness you'd previously experienced while investigating the university. Vaisset's home, however, fails to delive. In fact, even the term "mansion" may be going too far. Rather than the sprawling palatial complex the word calls up in the mind, this place is really more of a very well-appointed house. It has three floors above ground as well as the basement, and across these four levels are spread eight bedrooms, three bathrooms, an office, a kitchen, a dining room, a living room, and a number of spare rooms used for storage. Although each room is luxuriously decorated, tastefully designed, and filled with antique furniture, the place as a whole still feels disappointingly compact when compared with the university.

As you tour the home's layout, you also take note of the defenses that Vaisset has set up. There are multiple layers of bounded fields surrounding the property, each with its own effects. Given your amateur knowledge of magic you're unable to determine the nature of those abilities, however. In addition, you discover a number of crystals scattered about the house, all of which use transference magic to send visual and audio data to some kind of receiving device in Vaisset's workshop. If there are more defenses Vaisset has set up than these, you don't notice them.

After your short exploration, there are still several hours of night remaining. You decide to spend the time by...

>[ ] Finding a place to sleep. Servants may not need to, but you know from Adelheid and Circe that you can choose to sleep when you want to. (Pride)

>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)

>[ ] Investigating one of the house's rooms in more detail. (Pick one) (Curiosity)

>[ ] Doing something else (Write in)
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>>3493427
>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)
>Trying to contact Caster and Berserker. (Compassion?)
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>>3493430
Support?
Let's hope this war doesn't have the Proto Servants.
Specifically Arthur.
We might be bad enough for 7 seals to unlock.
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We've got two Noble Phantasms now
How about we name one in Greek and one in German?
Really get their noggins jogging.
I'm thinking "Lückeklinge" for the sword (translates to Gap/Space/Breach/Loophole Blade in German)
And Kenósmandýas for the cloak (Void Mantle in Greek.)
Also Dream Cycle ought to be fun for our Master.
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>>3493490
I doubt we're AtwE bad, so I doubt Excalibur would be unleashed because of us; we're just an apathetic asshole, not something as bad as "an ancient evil awakens".
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>>3493523
We're still evil though.
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>>3493525
Okay but our acts of Evil were more "necessary", given the circumstances of the War. We would unlock 4, 5 if we want to play it fair.
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When you think about it, the Saber class is almost always going to have some sort of chivalrous code they follow and lines they won't cross.
Rushorou has not a single fuck to give and will happily act like an Assassin.
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Okay, we might actually meet all the conditions if we don't fight dirty or (x)-on-one.
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>>3493427
>[ ] Finding a place to sleep. Servants may not need to, but you know from Adelheid and Circe that you can choose to sleep when you want to. (Pride)
We aren't a normal servant
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>>3493536
To be fair, we were borne under dishonourable circumstances, due to our Chaotic opponents. Our first fight was relatively fair.
>>3493427
Supporting >>3493490.

Pray that, if Arthur IS in this War, we get some sort of tell to actively avoid him because this game would be rigged from the start.
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>>3493430
>>3493427
Support
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>>3493538
Nah, there's the condition that the enemy must be stronger than Arthur, which we most definitely aren't.
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>>3493554
>The enemy must not be anelemental
>The battle must be one against evil
>The battle must not be inhumane
>The battle must be to live
>The battle must be an honorable one (we were only ever dishonourable against the dishonourable)
>The battle must be one-on-one (face it, we wouldn't refuse a duel unless we were aware of Excalibur's nature)

That's half, not including the battle for truth or comrade-in-arms clauses.
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>>3493554
Or are you referring to the "all" part?
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>>3493557
Yes.
>>3493556
Luckily Arthur isn't as blast-happy as we are (or might be IF WE HAD A FUCKING SWORD BEAM) and his tiny one/two-seal blasts might even be weak enough that our cloak might lolnope them...
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>>3493562
I'm just saying that, if we fight him, we would very well lose.
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>>3493564
We could just go for his Master.
Nobody would expect a Saber that looks as knightly as us to be an honourless prick.
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>>3493564
Obviously, yes, but our chances of winning aren't exactly 0%. We could plausibly (if very improbably) pull a narrow more likely pyrrhic victory out of our ass if we manage to surprise Arthur with the sword.
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Get this anons- what if we do our best to ally with the outer Saber? Twice the protagonist points, double the sexual appeal!
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If we're lucky he would not see us as a truly evil person (a sort of victim of circumstance) or someone capable of redemption.
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>>3493575
Though should we reunite with our two servants then victory is all but guaranteed no matter the opponent.
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>>3493589
Our alignment is literally "evil".
I don't think Saber gets to decide on whether his opponent is evil or not.
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>>3493590
>victory is all but guaranteed no matter the opponent
Hey now, don't get too cocky on me. You know as well as I do that Noble Phantasms are complete bullshit and could easily turn this all around. I mean, our NPs are doors to a different dimension that we can use like The Hand. There could well be a servant with the NP equivalent of Mirror Force that just fucking obliterates his enemies if there are 3 or more servants, and then we're boned.
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>>3493601
Or maybe there’s a servant who has a semi-spammable ability which always strikes first and is damn near always a killshot, even against the strongest of servants.....
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>>3493427
>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. (Duty)
> Check your arm for your command spells. Make sure that none of the crystals see it when you do.

So Vaisset is just your standard magus. That's quite disappointing. I feel like we should remind him next time he's mad at us for not being a standard servant that he summoned Judas Iscariot at first and really shouldn't have bet on him being a reliable partner. The only reason I don't feel like getting rid of the asshole who roped us into Akeldama for a better master at the first opportunity is because I'd feel bad depriving Ayaka of her brother.

>>3493612
You'd think Archer would have taught people to be a little more wary about what we're up against, but apparently not.
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>>3493588
Sometimes the Saber isn't the protagonist: F/SF (you can't tell who the fuck you're supposed to root for because having more than 7 Servants is always a bad idea), Apocrypha, F/GO (the trivial answer), Koha-Ace (Arturia's a Master and her Servant's Nobu),
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>>3493617
Eh, when you blow a guy up people tend to forget about him.

Get this- what if we Get Ayaka, who is certainly the more competent magus because she’s the younger sibling to a sorta-bumbling brother, to become our master after Rushorou murders him. Everybody wins!
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>>3493612
pfft, what are the odds that archer is eastwood again
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>>3493612
I didn't think Cu would be in this war.
Jokes aside
Our cloak can stop Clint's Colt now anyway, probably.
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>>3493623
>>3493631
Look, just remember that we’re Rushorou the Servant fighting other Inferior, lesser, diminutive in might and presence servants. Not Rushorou the superhuman massacring mere mortals.
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>>3493632
Of course.
If Gil is in this war he might take an interest in us if he doesn't have our stuff in the Gate.
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Do we have to activate our sword as a noble phantasm to use it at all? Or can we use it as a more normal sword without the imaginary numbers magic without invoking its name?
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>>3493638
I’m hoping it and the cloak are more passive NPs
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>>3493638
Well first we might actually need to name them.
I've put forward my ideas.
Got any suggestions?
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>>3493638
The latter.
>>3493641
The cloak is probably a normal cloak until we invoke its True Name.
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>>3493642
I’d like to name the cloak “Circe” and the sword “Adelheid”.
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>>3493647
That would be cute, but that would put them in some danger when they show up again wouldn't it?
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>>3493656
Yeah, that wouldn't be a good idea.
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>>3493665
That's why I suggested naming one in Greek and one in German.
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>>3493642
>Sword
Leere
Erebus
>Cape
Ginnungagap (fakeout option)
Nacht
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I also want to bring up the possibility that the NPs are at Rank C because we haven't set/don't know their true names, in the same way that Load Camelot (normally B++) goes down to Load Chaldeas (D) because Mashu doesn't use its real True Name.
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>>3493681
>B++
Correction: B+++
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Suggested Names so far:
Cloak
>Circe
>Ginnungagap
>Nacht
>Kenósmandýas
Sword
>Leere
>Erebus
>Adelheid
>Lückeklinge
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>>3493622
I'd be down if Ayaka wouldn't be liable to hate us for killing her brother. That said, fuck Jean.

>>3493631
>Our cloak can stop Clint's Colt now anyway, probably.
Unlikely. He didn't use Colt .45 in the duel dead end, and the important part of Colt .45 always striking first is that means it always strikes.

>>3493673
I like your idea, but I think the name for the sword sounds a bit silly. I don't know German, though, so I'm going to struggle to offer a better name. Maybe "Trennen?" (German for sever/separate according to Google).

>>3493647
It might be possible to make it a more tangential connection. For example, we could call the cloak "Aeaea" as a nod to Circe and a very ghetto Avalon.
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>>3493699
>the important part of Colt .45 always striking first is that means it always strikes
The two times we saw him use it were against Perseus, a stationary target, and against Blackbeard, after getting in close. It seems more likely to me that Colt .45 just goes off first and his retarded Archer skillz let him score the hit every time.

Still, we probably can't block it with the cloak because we'll be in the middle of an attack when he uses it.
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>>3493717
Adelheid's interpretation of Colt .45 was that it would always hit due to its nature.
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>>3493717
That’s the other thing- Archer is a major learning experience because he was a very smart combatant (Minds Eye True B, punks). As a servant we have to fight every fight assuming our opponent is capable of similar tactical feats, even if on the strategic level Rushorou is 100000000% superior.
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>>3493730
Adelheid's interpretation could've been wrong.
Or it could've been right.
>>3493731
Yeah, we'll probably see a jump in Self-Preservation.
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>>3493735
Anon, it’s an NP. Adelheid’s interpretation is almost certainly correct.
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>>3493739
>Adelheid is a Servant and has NPs
>She is therefore an expert on NPs and can understand an NP's mechanics just by observing it in action
I dunno, it seems sketchy to me.
In any case, let's just put a pin in this, since there's no real point in arguing for either case when the end result is the same...
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Diairon (Divider) sounds like a cool name for a sword but it would feel wrong to give or cloak a German name.
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Say, what about Εξορίζων (Banisher) for the cloak?
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>>3493797
Pronounced Exorizon?
I like it.
Diairon sounds cool too.
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>>3493797
>Ezorizon
Imagine saying that seriously
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>>3493806
Imagine saying Gay Bulge or Raw Anus seriously.
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>>3493806
I AM DAH BONE OF MA SWWORD
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>>3493811
>>3493813
It just goes to show
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Wait, I think I got a name for the sword: Einteilung.
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>>3493848
https://www.dict.cc/german-english/Einteilung.html
>Einteilung {f}
> classification
> arrangement
> graduation
> division [planning, organization, time]
Google Translate strikes again.
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>>3493853
Oh, the state of being would be (Auf)teilung.
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>>3493855
>Vorschneider
The same dictionary tells me that "Vorschneiden" means "carve (verb)".
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So would Trennen and Exorizon work?
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>>3493802
I still like Exorizon (Greek for Banisher)
Sword though...
Raumkante? (German for Space edge)
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>>3493868
I feel like we should use a Greek name for the cloak to honor Circe and a German name for the blade to honor Adelheid
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>>3493873
>I feel like we should use a Greek name for the cloak
Anon...
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>>3493878
DO NOT
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>>3493879
Anon, I....
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>>3493879
>>3493797
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>>3493490
>I'm thinking "Lückeklinge" for the sword (translates to Gap/Space/Breach/Loophole Blade in German)
>And Kenósmandýas for the cloak (Void Mantle in Greek.)
>>3493647
>I’d like to name the cloak “Circe” and the sword “Adelheid”.
>>3493674
>>Sword
>Leere
>Erebus
>>Cape
>Ginnungagap (fakeout option)
>Nacht
>>3493699
>I like your idea, but I think the name for the sword sounds a bit silly. I don't know German, though, so I'm going to struggle to offer a better name. Maybe "Trennen?" (German for sever/separate according to Google).
>It might be possible to make it a more tangential connection. For example, we could call the cloak "Aeaea" as a nod to Circe and a very ghetto Avalon.
>>3493772
>Diairon (Divider) sounds like a cool name for a sword but it would feel wrong to give or cloak a German name.
>>3493797
>Say, what about Εξορίζων (Banisher) for the cloak?
>>3493848
>Wait, I think I got a name for the sword: Einteilung.
>>3493855
>Oh, the state of being would be (Auf)teilung.
>>3493866
>>Vorschneider
>The same dictionary tells me that "Vorschneiden" means "carve (verb)".

Compiling all of this into a handy little list marking mine out so you know what to vote for...

>Sword
Lückeklinge
Adelheid
Leere (me)
Erebus (me)
Trennen
Diairon
Einteilung
Aufteilung
Vorschneider (me)
>Cape
Kenósmandýas
Circe
Ginnungagap (me)
Nacht (me)
Aeaea
Εξορίζων (Exorizon)
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>>3493898
Sword
>Trennen
>Aufteilung
or
>Vorschneider

Cloak
>Εξορίζων
>Kenósmandýas
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>>3493898
I suppose we're in agreement that the sword should be German and the cloak should be Greek? If so, we can eliminate Erebus, Diairon, Ginnungagap, and Nacht.

For the sword:
>Trennen
>Aufteilung

For the cloak:
>Εξορίζων (Exorizon)
>Aeaea
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>>3493898
I like Leere and Εξορίζων personally. We should probably focus on our own name too, considering we're even further from our original identity than we were when we first thought of changing our name.
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>>3493898
https://www.dict.cc/?s=Aufteilung
Shit, now this looks inappropriate
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>>3493953
>ANOTHER LOGISTICS TERM
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>>3493962
As expected of Germans
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>>3493968
Go with Trennen or Leere.
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>>3493981
Ok
>>3493898
Sword
>Trennen
Cloak
>Εξορίζων (Exorizon)
Or
>Kenósmandýas
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Trennen and Exorizon, for me.
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>>3493991
Looks like just about everybody is okay with Trennen and Exorizon. I suppose we have our names.
>inb4 Sweets already has names for them and this was all for nothing
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>>3494016
>Spoilers
100%
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>Inb4 sweets actually didn’t have a name for them and wanted us to come up with them for him, and then go “Aha, great work anons, you guessed right!”
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>>3494016
>inv4 Sweets didn't have names for them, but doesn't like Trennen or Exorizon, so has to scramble for an excuse
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>>3494016
>inb4 their names really are ??????? and it's just an inaudible noise
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Obviously the decision is yours, but personally I rather like Lückeklinge. Leere is also good. Possibly Leereklinge (void blade)? What about Kenótis (emptiness) for the cloak?
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>inb4 we actually still need sleep and we're tired as fuck tomorrow
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>>3494092
I like Lückeklinge/Leereklinge and Kenótis.
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>>3494092
Sweets barging in with the perfect taste
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So what about your true name, then? Anybody got any ideas for that?
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>>3494132
Honestly, RUSHOROU a la EMIYA and DIO is perfect.
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>>3494132
I want Lucius for the first name. Last name should be Greek.
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inb4 we're just a copied version of our original self brought into Akeldama and the real Yumigawa is still in the real world
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>>3494146
Lucius Nikitís?
(Nikitis means Winner in Greek)
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>>3494155
>Inb4 the real Yumigawa is dead, his energies consumed by the grail, and Conceptual/Servant Yumigawa is just a simulacrum
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>>3494146
Remember that Lucius is derived from lux. You've kind of leaned pretty hard into the darkness angle since that first conversation.

>>3494155
While this would be a highly entertaining twist, it would also mean that Akeldama was creating energy from nothing.
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>>3494169
>You've kind of leaned pretty hard into the darkness angle since that first conversation.
You're right.
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>>3494169
Noctis.
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I wonder if I should have you meet Sakura, since you look so much like her "shadow" now...
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>>3494169
>name means light
>actually darkness based
>also is evil
JAPE
MASTER
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Any nipponese speakers here, what characters make up Yumigawa Rushorou?
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>>3494177
I veto this heartily
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>>3494179
I'm a fan of avoiding using canon characters as much as possible but that's just me
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Hear me out. What if our name was Zero? It's both a real and an imaginary number which is fitting on multiple levels. And it's short and to the point.
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>>3494179
>”BROTHERRRRRRR”
Inb4 30-something Sakura wants to “help” a “corrupted” kindred spirit

>>3494193
You know, that’s not a bad suggestion at all.
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>>3494097
Odds are that if anyone's tired, it'll be Jean. Presuming we function like FSN Saber, sleeping would let us reduce our magical energy usage. Our link with Jean is pretty solid, though, which means he'll be sustaining us all night. Even so, I think we should stay up tonight just to test what happens. Better to experiment now and know our limitations than have to gamble later in the game.

>>3494092
Kenótis would be good for the cloak, but I maintain that Luckeklinge sounds goofy.

>>3494132
Well, we wanted to talk to Circe about that, but it appears that's no longer an option. I like the sound and meaning of Alberich, but he was a dwarf and we're not a manlet. Sounds fairly regal, though, so I'd be okay with it.
>>3494177
Can we not?

>>3494155
Now there's a twist, but toka koka says no.

>>3494179
So we're in the HF timeline, then. Sweets has already said we're in an FSN timeline, and the Shadow only appears in one.

>>3494187
I get wanting to avoid canon characters, but I feel like Sweets could pull it off.

>>3494193
Please no
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>>3494179
Oh, so that's what our cloak looks like.
Oki.
Now that could be an interesting meeting.
>>3494193
Zero.
Null.
Cipher.
Take your pick.
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>>3494206
People like the Greek thing too, so zero in Greek is μηδέν (pronounced Midén). But that's not my favorite.
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>>3494206
>take your pick
Zero, the beginning of our new life.
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>Imaginary number plane
>Gauss is too common
Euler? He’s not a heroic spirit, right?
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>>3494198
>”BROTHERRRRRRR”
Liquid.
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>>3494246
NOT YET SNAKE
IT'S NOT OVER YET.
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On the topic of imaginary numbers, Rushorou paid enough attention in school to learn I right? Not only is I representative of imaginary numbers, but it plays into the pride aspect by claiming a whole letter for Rushorou’s own. The totality of it is nice too...
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>>3494204
>we're in the HF timeline
>Rider is probably here
Oh for fucks sake.
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>>3494236
Are you wanting to pretend that we're actually a historical figure? That'd get complicated quick. We could just tell Vaisset that we'll take on a new identity for now since we can't remember our own, which actually isn't terribly far from the truth.
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>Best girl won
Ebin
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>Zero
>Cipher
Well, I suppose you are planning on setting up a new world order...
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>>3494193
Zero Is great.

I'll support It.
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>>3494206
>>3494222
>>3494227
>>3494236
>>3494251
Can we not pick a math name please? I just don't see it fitting Rushorou.

"I" is the worst name of all. That's some god-complex YHWH-tier "fuck you, you don't get my name" shit.

>>3494253
It's a good thing we can counter her somewhat...
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>>3494262
Cipher is growing on me for sure.
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>>3494269
I prefer it over Zero because..
Well.. Rushorou sounds similar enough to Rurūshu as is.
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>>3494268
"My name has 216 letters. I keep it in a gold box."
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>>3494268
>Can we not pick a math name please? I just don't see it fitting Rushorou.
I mean, you’re right....

>He doesn’t want to embrace the God complex
I mean, you’re right....
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>>3494268
Any name that is representative of a beginning would work, really.
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>>3494277
Genesis?
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>>3494268
What's wrong with math? Math is all conceptual and we're a conceptual being. It doesn't mean we're a math nerd or something. I don't see the need for a boring human name since we're not human anymore. I agree that I is a shitty name though. Zero or Cipher gets my vote.
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>>3494277
Isn't rulership what we've been going for this whole time, though? The new name was supposed to reflect that.
If we want to split the difference on mythological significance and beginning, we could take Ginnungagap as our true name (or perhaps first or last name if we want a Greek part) instead of one of our weapons.

>>3494279
That's unfortunately similar to "I" in the impression it would give.

>>3494293
Math hasn't been a focus of any of Rushorou's character except for the fact that we know the realm of imaginary numbers is the name of the void we access. Actual math has played no role. It strikes me as cartoonish, and it's not the kind of thing people we encounter will take seriously.
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>>3494314
Making up a name for ourselves is inherently cartoonish
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>>3494314
Ginnungagap sounds ridiculous.
It literally has UNGA in it.
May as well call ourselves Chaos or Khaos.
And it's still a god complex name.
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Speaking of Ruling and the void, allow me to throw Imperator and Kuro into the ring as name elements. Imperator, obviously, is a title historically ascribed to early Roman commanders and all Roman emperors. Old Latin has that excellent strength in pronunciation that we would want for Rushorou. Kuro is black and the color itself has had some association with dominance and absolute rule in both European and Chinese history, although this connotation is lacking for the Japanese.
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>>3494319
For Rushorou, the idea behind changing name is to reflect the complete alteration of identity that he's had as a person. Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with leaving Rushorou's name as is, but if we're going to change his name I'd like to do it right.

>>3494328
I think it sounds pretty dumb too, but I'm trying to find a compromise since it seems like everyone else is set on making our made-up name the same made-up name of an anime character from 2007 who tried and failed miserably to take over the world. I think it's silly and I don't think it bodes well for our boy.
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>>3494345
>same made-up name of an anime character from 2007 who tried and failed miserably to take over the world
Oh yeah, Code Geass. Here I was stuck on the Metal Gear reference.
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>>3494345
>tried and failed miserably to take over the world
Strange way to type "took over the entire world and had himself killed as repentance. But survived dying."
Also I'm on the Cipher train.
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>>3494347
Did you not see me comparing how similar Rushorou and Lelouch (Rurūshu) sounded?
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>>3494345
I don't care at all if someone else from a completely different story has had the same name as the one we choose. That said, Cipher is a way better name than Zero.
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Cipher is definitely a name I would veto as well. It speaks of secretiveness and subversive tendencies, whereas Rushorou has been consistently out in the open and “straight” in his actions.
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>>3494358
Cipher is just an archaic word for Zero.
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>>3494358
We're currently pretending to be a legit heroic spirit instead of a transformed student council president which is pretty secretive.
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>>3494343
Kurogane (meaning black metal, roughly) would make sense at least as a temporary name given the nature of our sword.

>>3494367
Cipher used to be a word for zero. Nowadays it has more to do with codes and the translation thereof.
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>>3494373
That's "Student Council President who seduced Circe and Female Hitler and gouged Judas' heart out" to you.
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>>3494380
>Cipher used to be a word for zero.
So? We're pretending to be a Heroic Spirit from the past.
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>>3494380
>Kurogane
You don't look Japanese and you're dressed as a European knight. Honestly, the foreign appearance was my original impetus for suggesting a name change, as Yumigawa Rushorou no longer fits visually. Wouldn't it be a little odd to take on another Japanese name given your appearance?
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>>3494391
I think it would.
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>>3494391
Wait, I keep forgetting that we look more like an Einzbern than a nip.
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>>3494399
Nah.
As Sweets stated, we don't look Japanese.
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>>3494391
What suggestions do you have. cause you have probably shot down over a dozen by now
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>>3494409
C i p h e r
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>>3494391
It would, but taking a number as a name would seem strange no matter what you look like.

We could theoretically use adoption as a cover story. Japanese culture has always been pretty comfortable with adoption to the point where there have been two genetic breaks in the lineage of the Emperor and yet the Emperor remained of divine descent.

>>3494409
Sweets already gave us several via Adelheid a few threads ago.
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>>3494409
I gave you a bunch of suggestions when you had the conversation about the name with Adelheid in the first place. And I've only taken issue with two. Hell, one of those I "shot down" was my suggestion to you folks. Circumstances in the story have changed since it was suggested, so it was no longer appropriate.
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You know, a European name with connections to the color black, absolute rule, dominance, evil.... Nero
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>>3494433
UMU
M-M
UMU
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>>3494424
At least we've got some more ideas now. Any chance we'll get to vote on it in the next session?Also are we getting some updates tonight?
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>>3494433
Yeah I mean It would fit, If she didn't exist. I'd rather have a name that's just ours.

>>3494424
Zero and Cipher are both good names to me.

Cipher admittedly sounds more like a name, but Zero fits In well with our blank slate as a servant and Imaginary numbers theme. Hmm. I could go either way.
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>>3494440
Yesterday I was somewhat blindsided by work, but I should be able to do more updates this afternoon/evening. It's 13:40 here, for reference.
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Also on a side note our circumstances will make Reinforcement INCREDIBLY good for us, even more so than normal.

Our Inhuman biology stat makes us physically more capable than we should be, I'm assuming even more than a servant based on a human.

Reinforcement Is about fixing the flaws and maximizing the strengths of an object, right? Well our now superior Inhuman biology should have a hell of a lot higher cap for be pushed to than a more basic human biology. We aren't physically average as a servant, as long as we have mana to burn we're potentially a goddamn powerhouse.
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>>3494456
I'm into it. But how will we learn it?
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>>3494462
As incompetent as our Master is, he surely knows reinforcement yes? Although that brings to mind the old “servants get what they get, no learning 4 you” thing which might hold Rushorou back. But then again, he’s not a normal servant.
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>>3494456
The real kicker for reinforcement is the fact that we have B-rank magical energy and basically nothing else to put it towards (presuming we aren't supplying Adelheid and Circe).

>>3494462
It depends on how much of a loser Jean is. He's already a pretty shit master, and considering his performance so far I'm not sure he could teach us even if he tried.
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>>3494456
Wow, I really should have made the effects of Conceptual Biology more clear. You're a magically anchored conceptual existence, created by the combination of the Silver Grail and the Akeldama. Like the humanoid equivalent of a conceptual weapon. What this means is that you're very "rigid" in terms of magical or unseen effects. This is where your high rank in Magic Resistance comes from, and why you can eat cursed food and come out fine. What I'm getting at is that because you're already more of a ball of magical effects than an an existence to be affected, Reinforcement will have very little effect on you. It would be like trying to Reinforce Avalon or Gae Bolg.
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>>3494477
>Reinforcement will have very little effect on you
Get fucked reinforcement fags
This post is approved by Transference Gang
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>>3494477
Sweets has the Personal Skill "Dream Crusher" at Rank EX.
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>>3494471
>He's already a pretty shit master, and considering his performance so far I'm not sure he could teach us even if he tried.
Was Rin a shit master as well? You just met him, and really don't have much to go on.
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>>3494486
For Rushorou, the automatic assumption is a shit if you aren’t a superhuman with phenomenal presence and fashion
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>>3494489
Or a bro like Matsuda.
Or if you prove to be good at research.
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>>3494471
I don't get why you've had such a hateboner for Vaisset since the start. It's kinda intense.
>>3494477
So reinforcement's out. What else can we focus on, apart from Transference? Can we still even use traditional magecraft techniques as a servant?
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>>3494480
You already have stats comparable to Gawain and two broken as hell Noble Phantasms. Do you really feel like you need reinforcement on top of B-Rank Strength and Agility?
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>>3494502
Oh I don't mind.
I know we're fairly powerful among servants.
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>>3494502
Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yeeeeeeeessssssss
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>>3494477
Disappointing, but understandable. At least you clarified now, and not after we learned It.

>>3494479
What's the point In antagonizing people for an idea that could have worked If not for a unfortunate detail.
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>>3494502
I mean, yes? This Is FATE.

>>3494515
Or rather, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
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>>3494516
Having a laff because it’s the doldrums of my favorite quest. It’s not like I seriously have a problem with anons who liked reinforcement
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>>3494501
Maybe Mana Burst? Tends to be a common skill among knight class servants and the only issue would be mana cost. Shouldn't be impossible for a "servant".
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>>3494516
"Damn, the plan was perfect! If only it wasn't flawed from the start."
He was just responding to somebody mad we didn't learn reinforcement.
...
I wish we had Mana Burst.
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>>3494538
Huh
Looks like we had the same idea.
In life we did have a fuck ton of mana, afterall.
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>>3494477
>Reinforcement will have very little effect on you
>The kaioken x5 was impossible and anons voted to 1v1 Adelheid anyway
Having been in the know about reinforcement, how did you feel about that moment, Sweets?

>>3494486
We know that he summoned Judas Iscariot as a servant (which is an objectively dumb move, no idea why anyone would think that's a good idea), set him off to work without really understanding what was going to happen, and as a result he is just as responsible for what happened to us as Caster is. He also appears to fuck up his magic pretty consistently, given Ayaka's little rant as well as his own rant about how his summoning went "haywire" (he might not have even meant to summon Judas). As it stands, it's hard to see him as anything but callous and unreliable. Hopefully he's like Rin and he's just off today, but it's not a good first impression.

>>3494501
It's more a problem on my end where I pretty much just see him as an extension of Judas. Personally, I'm pretty pissed that the guy who let Cid and that entire sham Holy Grail War start to begin with, who made us go through everything and come up empty-handed, now gets to boss us around. Not to mention he's pretty clearly got standard Magus mentality and almost certainly sees us as no more than a tool.
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>>3494550
126 circuits of a quality i forget. even if they were as shit quality as shirous its still better then rin and her crest combined.
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>>3494554
"Excellent" quality, according to Circe.
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>>3494554
Weren't they of the highest quality?
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>>3494559
>>3494560

so probably a step below blue blood circuits
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Guysssss.
If this is after the HF route.
Then I think I have a pretty good guess as to the identity of True Saber.
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>>3491890
>Speaking of servant adderall, does anybody know the difference between Mind's Eye (False) and Instinct? I've been trying to figure it out since reading FSN and I just don't see it.

From F/SN's status menu:
Instinct: A
The ability to always "feel" the best course for oneself during combat. This heightened sixth sense is now close to precognition. It reduces by half any obstacles to vision and hearing.

Mind's Eye (Fake): A
Resistance to changes in visibility caused by visual interference. Also called the sixth sense, or prescience; an innate talent to sense danger.

Mind's Eye (Fake): B
Avoidance of danger by sixth sense/instinct.

So my conclusion is that Instinct is a prescient sense of the most advantageous moves, whereas Mind's Eye (False) is a prescient sense of the safest moves. It's a small difference, definitely.
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>>3494573
Also, it looks like Instinct is only active during combat, whereas Mind's Eye (Fake) is active 24/7.
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>>3494573
I don't think I'll ever understand why Counter Guardian EMIYA only has Eye of the Mind (True) at Rank B considering he's able to pretty much analyse fighting styles by staring at swords and has had an effectively countless number of battles due to his contract.
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>>3494570
...Oh.
Oh FUCK.
Do we think the cloak can block FSN Excalibur? I sure hope it can...
At least she's the biggest jobber in the series. I pray her master is bad.
We also don't know is if this is after the HF true end or normal end. Probably true end, I'd guess.

>>3494573
>>3494578
Huh. Okay, interesting. Neither I nor my friends have ever managed to suss that out. Good eye.
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>>3494590
A certain person Alcides also only has it at B, despite being perhaps the greatest genius fighter in human myth. I'd assume that at Rank A one can immediately see through and predict all possible actions in combat.
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huh looking up magic circuits our 126 circuits isn't as game breaking as I thought.
Rin has 40 plus 2 sets of 30 "sub circuits" what ever the fuck those are hopefully just nasuspeak for her crest, making 100 total.

Her circuits have a max output of 10 units of prana for each circuit. and the only thing i can find about quality is that shirous shit tier circuits can produce just as much power as a prodigy like rin(10 units each) only they take a bit of damage.

Sweet what does our "excellent" quality circuits do? how many units of prana can they each make. The norm is 10 each.
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>>3494597
In that context, rank C is quite the achievement then
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>>3494597
There is one character I've seen in action with rank A: Chiron.
Astonishingly, it doesn't do him much good. He gets fucked up pretty badly in Apocrypha and is ultimately killed on even ground by Achilles. I attribute this to Apocrypha being bad.
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>>3494607
Rin's "Sub Circuits" aren't as flexible as natural circuits and can't be used to do anything you want.
Or something
>>3494593
And guess what? She just got out of the HF route. How will she respond to a guy with white hair, red eyes and a black and red stripey cloak?
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>>3494607
You would know the quality of your magic circuits if you were a trained magus.
Also something to note, Shirou's circuits are worse than you're thinking. Rin's 40 inborn circuits each handle 25 units of energy. The subsets of circuits are from her crest, but aren't factored into standard output because crest circuits can only put energy into the mysteries which are encoded into the crest. It's like having a separate dedicated energy pool for the legacy mysteries. I'd planned to have Truvietianne explain that to you at some point, but apparently it didn't happen.

>>3494608
That's why I gave you Rank C. I'm not trying to gimp you folks, just being reasonable.

>>3494612
Apocrypha's writing: hot garbage.
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>>3494619
As you always do. I mock outrage sometimes, but that’s just because I’m a powergaming, min-maxing, munchkin at heart.
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Open question for you folks: where does the term "prana" come from? In the VN they refer to it in JP as 魔力 (maryoku), which is alternately translated as magic energy or mystic energy. This terminology carries over to the official world materials released to supplement the lore from F/SN. I've seen people on various sites refer to it as prana, but I'm not sure where that's coming from.
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>>3494668
What a magus makes isnt prana but actually something called OD. The "magic" in the air on the planet is called Mana. Prana is the combination of the two created using a magus' circuits and can be used to cast magecraft.
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>>3494668
Hindu Philosophy and translators not wanting to use "magical energy" all the time, as far as I can see.
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>>3494668
As I recall, it's some sort of energy from Hinduism. I think it's just the term they chose to translate it with, which, in all fairness, is faster than "magical energy."
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>>3494677
Od and Mana aren't the substances themselves; rather, they refer to the two sources of mystic energy. Od being the lesser source, the pool of energy within the self, and Mana being the greater source, the pool of energy of the planet. I'm familiar with the lore, anon, what I'm asking about is the translation.
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>thread is already 2/3 of the way to bump limit
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>>3494182
His name is 弓川 褸消郎.
弓: Yumi, kanji for bow (the weapon, not the action).
川: Kawa, kanji for river (read Gawa as a suffix), is a common locality-based ending for a surname.
褸: Ru, kanji for rags.
消: Shyou, shortened to sho for name component. Kanji for extinguished, canceled, lifeless.
郎: Rou, the counter for sons. Common suffix in male names.
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>>3494716
For anyone curious about the character choices, it's supposed to be representative of Yumigawa's apathetic character at the beginning of the quest. Also I thought you'd end up using a bow eventually.
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>>3494748
>I thought you'd end up using a bow
Oops.
Ah well I'm sure we can always pick the skill up somewhere.
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>>3494748
RIP the Independent Action dream though admittedly I didn't help by going to sleep without changing my vote
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>>3494759
Won't need it once we take a dip in some grail mud.
Or incarnate along with our other two servants.
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>>3494748
>Also I thought you'd end up using a bow eventually.
Simple: we send the air around our sword into Numberspace like a vacuum, so it shoots around like an arrow.
I can't into Aerodynamics.
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>>3494764
>tfw we can probably use the cloak to vent a room of air.
Tee-hee.
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>>3494768
Your cloak isn't a portal to space. Imaginary Numbers isn't a vacuum, it has its own phantasmal air.
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>>3494774
Aww.
There goes that dream crusher skill again.
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Imagine a world where the number i takes the place that 1 holds in our world, for all operations of physics and any other situation in which numbers appear. Everything is founded on imaginary principles. This is the realm of imaginary numbers. It's utterly alien to beings based in reality, so much so that our eyes can't process the light and our ears can't detect the sounds. This is why, when the Extra protagonist is sent there, they perceive it as an empty black void. Nevertheless, Imaginary Numbers is a world, full of imaginary objects. That's why opening a portal with your cloak doesn't just immediately suck in all the air around you, and why you have to actively push an object through the portal.
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>>3494748
>Bow tool unanimously ducked
Lol

Ok, so by using my lack of understanding I came up with the name
Kuroshouou, which somehow renders into Black King. I like it, but also know jack about Japanese.

>>3494781
Neato
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>>3494785
>another jap name again
Reeeeeeeee
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>>3494785
>Bow tool unanimously ducked
And then I also gave you folks the option to become an Archer at class selection, the last choice in F/CA. No dice.
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>>3494792
If I wasn’t sleeping like a loser during the vote, I probably would’ve went Archer myself. Oh well.
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>>3494792
In hindsight I would've probably picked Archer just for Independent Action.
...
What happens if Cu chucks his spear at our cloak?
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>>3494801
If he throws it? Gae Bolg gets sucked in, because when thrown it's just a big attack.
If he stabs you, it'll go around.
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>>3494802
Oh Christ that's broken.
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>>3494806
They both are, really. Gae Bolg is a wonderful thing, I just wish it hadn't jobbed at the beginning of F/SN.
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>>3494792
Which option was Archer, by the way? I think it was the last one, but the whole "crimson needle" thing threw me off because I couldn't get Gae Bolg out of my head.
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Well it's not like it'll be the same six other Servants as HF, right?
>>3494809
It's a Lancer's job to job.
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>>3494809
I" see you dodged my undodgeable attack, Saber."
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>>3494812
The portal bow, probably.
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>>3494809
One of the things I don't think I'll ever get over about FSN is how Lancer never really gets results. The man is an absolute monster, both in myth and in Fate, and he doesn't kill ANYONE but Kirei.

>>3494816
I'm talking about class selection, not artifact selection from Caster.
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>>3494815
>t. literal lucklet
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>>3494812
Lancer: An unstoppable point, striking through armor to pierce the heart (The cloak becomes able to extrude a spear-like object used as your primary weapon)
Saber: A long obsidian blade, held aloft in the light of dawn (Chosen, no explanation)
Assassin: A silent shadow, leaving death in its wake as it moves undetected (Basically the Sakura Shadow from Heaven's Feel)
Archer: A crimson needle, tracing a predetermined path to its target as it gleams in the noonday sun (This is an arrow. I was working off of the archery conception from F/SN that "it's determined whether an arrow will land or not before it is released." I had a few different weapon ideas for Archer.)
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>>3494821
>Assassin
Oh man.
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>>3494823
And NOBODY voted for it! I was so disappointed.
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>>3494821
>Assassin
>Weakest class, but NP is the fucking Shadow
Holy shit.
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>>3494821
Damn I wish I was there. How did the choice the anons picked end up being the legit worst one?
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>>3494826
It felt like the natural extension of the cloak, so I really thought you'd go for it. The immediate unanimous votes for the blade totally shocked me.
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>>3494838
I think anon just wanted his cool sword.
Swords are cool.
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>>3494835
I don't know. I even posted that they'd all gone for the option I hadn't been sure about leaving on there, and then said I was leaving the vote open for a while because it was highly important and everyone should think hard about their choice...
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>>3494842
I mean swords are cool and all but damn. At least they picked an aesthetically pleasing class...
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Obviously we just reset.
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>>3494842
No use crying over spilt Noble Phantasm's.
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Sweets' thought process:
"Let's see, classes are Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, Berserker. We can strike Rider, Caster, and Berserker right away, Rushorou definitely doesn't qualify.
Lancer, huh... we could go for like a rhongomyniad-shaped thing from the cloak, with a piercing void idea... alright, Lancer works.
Assassin is obvious, that's how they've been playing so far and the cloak looks like the Sakura Shadow. Alright, so for that we can go full-on with the cloak as NP.
Archer is fun, there are all kinds of things you could do with bows and portals, I'll definitely keep that in there.
...and, Saber works too I guess. He could cut things with the void, maybe? Alright, write up some imagery and post. They'll probably go for Assassin right away, though."
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>>3494842
The way I see it is the sword was the only known quantity.
We knew there was a bow and a spear but there were two options that both alluded to piercing.
As for Assassin, I didn't even consider it would be the Shadow. I figured it was just Presence Concealment ganking.
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>>3494838
I'll be honest - the problem lay in the imagery. I chose the option I did because the image you gave for it fit most with Rushorou as a character, and I felt like choosing anything else would be a disservice after the big debate that happened about Rushorou's magic trigger.
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>>3494854
But his trigger is a door opening into the void. What does that have to do with a sword at dawn?
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>>3494853
Dropped my hat.
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>>3494856
It has more to do with Rushorou's pride. The sword seemed like the sort of heroic, leader-ish image he would conceive of, and nothing else felt quite like him and was more just a picture of an ability.
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>>3494859
It's an issue of powerset vs character. Rushorou is definitely a Saberish sort of person, and you folks did pick the best (or at least second-best, Archer might be better) class for his personality. The powers you'd acquired in Akeldama really lent themselves to Assassin, though, which is why I thought you'd go for that option even if you did think it was just using presence concealment.
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>>3494868
Think of it this way.
Your players are picking In Character choices rather than being powergaming munchkins.
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>>3494879
I'm not complaining. Now that I've gotten used to the idea, I think things will actually be more fun to write with you as a Saber than they would've been with you as an Assassin. It sure was surprising, though!
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>>3494879
The Virgin Min-Maxer vs the CHAD Roleplayer
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>>3494883
Yeah, the usual response from a Master to the appearance of Assassin is going to be a command spell of "SERVANT CLASS, Kill him!"
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>>3494898
>implying they'd have the chance to see the Shadow
As an Assassin, we'd be broken. Unbelievably so.
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>>3494904
I was talking about if we wanted to maybe interact with an enemy Master.
Bonus points in that if any Stay Night characters see us then everything goes to shit.
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>>3494911
>Bonus points in that if any Stay Night characters see us then everything goes to shit.
How? It's not like our armor is blacked, though the cloak might cause a brief misunderstanding.
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>>3494917
As an Assassin I mean.
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>>3494920
Oh.
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>>3494917
>brief
Brief enough to invite and attack, which we will then need to swallow with the cloak, which will reinforce the misunderstanding. It could spiral out of control very, very quickly if we run into the wrong character.
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>>3491019
Big hairy cock
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>>3494925
I agree
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>>3494924
Wandering into Sakura will be very fun.
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>>3494409
A short list of suggested names, by request:
Alberich
Sigismund
Adalwin
Ermenrich
Agilmar
Hildebrand
Athanarich
Cynebald
Adelmar
Fridenot
Gerbold
Agilulf
Egilhard
Havarthr
Ludolf
Chlodovech
Aelfnoth
Odalrich
Audovacar
Sigimar
Aliprand
Faramund
Sigivald
Waldomar
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>>3494938
>Egilhard
This one, unironically.
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>>3494938
Agilmar for me.
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>>3494938
I can get behind Alberich, Agilmar, Egilhard, and Havarthr.
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>>3494957
>Alberich
But anon, we're not a dorf.
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How pissed will an enemy servant be if we lolnope their Noble Phantasm into the void or cut it in half?
I just can't get over the idea of Cu throwing Gae Bolg and it just going away forever.
>can't hurt Siegfried
>instead cut Balmung in half
>stab his back very easily.
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>>3494977
I wonder if that actually works. Now that I think about it, Noble Phantasms are encoded into the records of humanity, so it might be impossible to teleport them out of the world.
Definitely requires some further consideration...
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>>3494980
On the other hand, noble phantasms are only copies of the original legend. If you destroy a noble phantasm, maybe the Servant can summon a replacement...
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>>3494985
There's Diarmuid from Fate/Zero to consider, as well as Broken Phantasms. Noble Phantasms can undoubtedly be lost, and unless you're a faker you can't get them back.
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>>3494985
Possibly? But at massive cost I would assume if possible at all.
If they were a renewable thing every servant would just spam Broken Phantasms at each other.
Also
EMIYA's near perfect projections break all the time.
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Why the fuck does Shirou tell Gilgamesh that UBW would only let him beat him and not any other servant?
Realistically Unlimited Blade Works kills all but the most borked servants.
I'd like to see Arturia work around an omni directional barrage of noble phantasms without Avalon.
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>>3494387
>from the past
"Furui ICHI"
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Now writing for >>3493430
>[ ] Standing guard over the house. As a Servant, the most effective thing you can do is take up a position to detect and receive any attacks that may come during the night. In the dull moments, you'll check for command spells and try to contact Circe and Adelheid. (Duty/Compassion)

>>3493617
>So Vaisset is just your standard magus. That's quite disappointing.
What were you expecting, ID-Lock?
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>>3494668
It's a fan made term, I think. Nasu&Co. always refer to it as "maryoku".
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>>3495013
>Why the fuck does Shirou tell Gilgamesh that UBW would only let him beat him and not any other servant?
Because that specific Gilgamesh was a shit fighter compared to the other Servants in that War?
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>>3495058
Not really.
Caster was in that war and he FUCKING SAW EMIYA KILL HER.
Gil probably would've won if he had his armour.
Also Shirou still lost. Had to be bailed out by asspull hole and EMIYA who inexplicably survived.
UBW is just bootleg Gate of Babylon.
Rider, Saber, Assassin and Caster would all die to it.
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>>3495013
"Barrier of the Wind King"
>>3494985
Nah, like the other Anon said there's Broken Phantasms. Looks like you're shit outta luck if you lose your NP.
>>3494938
>Sigismund
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>>3495013
It's probably Shirou referring to his inability to actually fight. Unlimited Blade Works works against Gil because he's absorbed some of Archer's combat knowledge, which isn't really on the level of a servant. Thankfully, against Gil, that doesn't matter, because all Gil does is fire his Noble Phantasms at people from a distance rather than do any fighting himself. Artoria would certainly struggle with an omnidirectional barrage of NPs, but in order to hit her with that, Shirou would need to fire all those Noble Phantasms while keeping up with her servant-level speed and strength using his human eyes and reflexes. If Saber closes the distance, she wins. Gil has no such thing, so as long as you can go tit-for-tat with his NP spam, you can fight him normally and win because he sucks at that.

>>3495051
Not much else, honestly. I just consider standard magi to be disappointing as people because I personally don't really respect people with weak moral compasses. Rin talks tough, but even so, she's a good person at heart, so I like her. Vaisset didn't even bat an eye when we told him he just let his servant go on a killing spree, so he doesn't get a pass.
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>>3495067
Gil's stats in SN were still B Strength, C Endurance and C Agility
He's just not very good at melee.
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>>3495064
>Gil probably would've won if he had his armour.
Exactly, UBW Gilgamesh was shit.
>Rider
Eyes
>Saber
>>3495066
>Assassin
Tsubame Gaeshi
>Caster
Idunno, throw Assassin at him
>Hassan
lolk
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No, Caster's Assassin probably wouldn't survive either. Everybody else just has to kill him before the attack launches or break out of it in a single direction.
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>>3495091
Really it's just a "who attacks first wins" situation.
Also I doubt Saber's barrier could withstand the bombardment UBW can give off.
Assassin gets fucked even with Tsubame Gaeshi because he's about as durable as wet tissue paper.
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>>3495103
it's more of a "how did they let Shirou do that" situation desu
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>>3495115
Yeah.
The incantation is so fucking long they deserve to die if he manages to summon the damn thing.
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>When the QM gets too into the thread chatter and the update is DOA
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S00N Brothers...
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>>3495146
>zeroes
I see what you did there
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>>3495146
I see you got a shot of the moment just after Rushorou killed Outer Caster. Excellent camerawork.
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>>3495103
>Also I doubt Saber's barrier could withstand the bombardment UBW can give off.
All she needs to do is open up or find a hole and zoom through it, and then she's free to run up to Archer and chop him up.
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So how do we learn to swung sword, in a timely manner, without our gloves?
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>>3495188
>Die
>Train with taiga
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>>3495188
We'll probably be fine.
Eye of the Mind (True) is ranked C
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>>3495188
I feel like it was mentioned that we just automatically have sword experience now
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>>3495192
That’s analysis and tactics tho, nothing to do with the actual swinging of sword
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>>3491073
>At your left hip hangs a longsword in a richly decorated black and silver sheath. You're tempted to draw it and experiment with your newfound knowledge of swordsmanship
>>3495199
Looks like we do.
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>>3495220
Nice reading skillz anon
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>>3495223
Folded over a million times
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Update never?
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>>3495231
He's eating right now, cut him stone slack.
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>>3495231
Update by 3, he has something called a """life""". Such a gay.
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>>3495235
I agree. What kind of fag isn’t waiting on the freely given efforts of another man during all of his waking hours to make his pathetic life worthwhile?
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>>3495237
zounds kinda gay nan desu yo
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>>3495233
>He's eating right now
I am, but how do you know that?

>>3495235
Update by 3? For what timezone?
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>>3495237
Yeah, he should be shitposting like the rest of us.
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>>3495243
>For what timezone?
Pacific.
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>>3495243
>I am, but how do you know that?
Because you love sweets? It's only natural to assume that you spend all your free time eating sweets if you love it so much that you made it your 4channel handle. that or my ESP
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>>3495243
A man is doing one of three things at any given time- eating, fucking, or writing his fanfictions on a Cambodian rice farming forum. Pretty good odds, all things considered.
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>>3495261
>fucking, or writing his fanfictions on a Cambodian rice farming forum
These are mutually exclusive.
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Kind of a general question for future matters, but in your personal attitude as a Servant, (dialogue, not combat or strategy) which of the F/SN crowd would you like to emulate most?

>[ ] Archer

>[ ] Saber

>[ ] Someone else (Write in)
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>>3495278
>[ ] Archer
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>>3495278
>Both Archer and Saber
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>>3495278
A mix of both Archer and Saber.
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>>3495295
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
We need to learn about the other Servants ASAP
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You decide to spend the night on guard. You may not be overly fond of Vaisset, but you're his Servant one way or another. With your low knowledge of magic you have no way of knowing how effective Vaisset's defensive measures are, but you do know Circe's barrier did you little good in the Akeldama and you're sure Vaisset is no Circe. After making your way down to the entryway, you let yourself out through the front door and nimbly hop up to the roof. You'd already surpassed humanity, but you find yourself pleasantly surprised all the same by the power in your new body.

Balancing on the peaked roof of the mansion, you watch the skyline. Sure enough, you're back home in Tokyo, although the district is wealthier than the suburb where you grew up. It's a clear, crisp November night, Wednesday, and you should be going back for another identical identical day of school tomorrow. Seeing the familiar city surroundings somehow brings it all into sharp clarity. The change that you've gone through in what to you was ten days and to the world was no time at all; the change that's still to come, in your life and future; the destruction you saw fall on the lifeless Eighth City, soon to be reenacted here.

And indescribable emotion of loss, nostalgia, and apprehension wells up in you, and you find yourself looking for any reminder that you're not alone in this new life. You dispel the gauntlet on your right hand, holding it up to see the command spell there, the proof of your connection to those you met during your strange sojourn in Judas' world. What greets your eyes is only smooth white skin, unmarked by the scarlet wing you'd grown so used to finding there. Horrified, you feel within yourself for the flow of mystic energy that supports Adelheid and Circe, but there is none. The energy that fills your system is only being taken in, received from Vaisset. If your Servants do survive, as Judas claimed they would, they are as alone as you are: utterly cut off from those you'd come to rely on for life and death.

As the realization of your solitude washes over you, the strength in your legs vanishes. You sink heavily to a seat, leaning against one of the home's many peaks. No Circe and no Adelheid... for all you know, they may not exist at all anymore. It's possible Judas was only spurring you on to kill him by removing your inhibitions; it was his goal, after all. And what's become of Truvietianne, Kikuko, Matsuda, and Ogawara? Were they sent back to their homes, as you should have been, or did the collapsing Akeldama trap them in some unknown limbo cut off from time and space?

You pass the rest of the night in a daze, staring at the stars. At some point you must have dozed off, since you find yourself awakening amidst the morning birdsong, under the first rays of the dawning sun. The reason for your awakening becomes immediately clear, as you hear a girl's voice from below calling up to you, "I said, wake up!"
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>>3495278
Both.
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It's Vaisset's sister, Ayaka! You get to your feet and look down at the girl, now wearing a black wool coat and navy scarf over her singed uniform. Her breath appears in small puffs, making its presence known amidst the wintry air. "Saber-san," she continues, in a chiding tone, "I really don't think you should be sleeping there. Didn't Nii-san find anywhere for you to spend the night?" Judging by the odd hybrid of expressions on her face, the girl can't decide between amusement, compassion, and disapproval.

Jumping back down to ground level with a clang of armor, you give the girl a smile. "Thank you for awakening me, Miss Ayaka," you say. "Your brother wanted me to spend the night in the basement, but I thought I'd stand guard up there. It seems I was more tired than I'd realized though." You let out an embarrassed chuckle at the admission. "Are you off to school, Miss Ayaka? Isn't it a bit early?"

"Yes, I'll be going shortly. Nii-san says I should leave and come home as early as possible, since the Grail War is beginning soon. There's only one more Servant still to be summoned after you, right?"

"The Grail doesn't give me such knowledge, unfortunately," you say. "So he's sending you to school early out of concern, is he?"

>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
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>>3495299
>>3495298
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>>3495278
>The Golden Archer
>Archer
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>>3495298
>>3495304
>We need to learn about the other Servants ASAP
Just a reminder, Rin knew that she was the second-to-last person to summon a Servant without having any idea of who the other Masters were or what their Servants were like.
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>>3495299
>those entire third and fourth paragraphs
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>>3495303
>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Networking for that replacement master ASAP

Fuck if that wasn’t great writing though. Easily the most sympathetic I’ve felt towards Rushorou thusfar.

>>3495309
Anon, I.... I know.
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>>3495303
>Find clothes and escort her to school, maybe certain people returned to school
Also lets find some clothes and have us not escort her in a suit of armor
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>>3495303
>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Maybe Matsuda or Ogawara attend her school.
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>>3495332
Anon, her school is Rushorou’s school. You think the good Kaichou’d know.
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>>3495278
A mix of both. There are times when it's appropriate to speak properly, and times when it comes in handy to be sly or a complete asshole.

>>3495303
>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
But find some clothes first.

>>3495332
The one who attends her school is Rushorou

>>3495299
Fuck you, Judas. You're the worst. And fuck you too, Jean, for letting a Caster servant run wild.
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>>3495332
Also >>3495317. We're not going to give ourselves away that easily.

>>3495337
>>3495339
It's my designated retardation period.
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>>3495339
>Fuck you, Judas. You're the worst.
"I'll take 'Popular Opinions' for $200, Alex."

Look at it this way, if the Akeldama Grail War had never happened, you would never have met them in the first place. Might never have developed enough compassion to care about losing someone this way. You'd still just be an apathetic student, alone in a crowd.
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>>3495347
If the akeldama grail war never happened, Rushorou would’ve never rejected his humanity, realized his superiority, or proved his worth in mortal combat. Net win I say.
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>>3495303
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
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Wait, doesn't Kikuko attend our school?
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>>3495347
>>3495349
I can be grateful for the chance we received without being grateful to the slimeball who tried to sacrifice us and everyone we got the chance to care about.
He got thanked 2000 years ago with 30 silver coins. He's not getting shit from me.
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>leaving our master unattended when we need to strategize with him
but why
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>>3495359
Because the Compassionfags are back in business.
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>>3495359
Planning his replacement
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>>3495359
You have a point, but consider the following: Our Master is indirectly responsible for taking our loved ones.
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>>3495359
What I'm saying is I can't guarantee us acting rationally after that revelation.
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>>3495365
>>3495366
I think that's a really shortsighted way to look at things. Also you guys are jumping to conclusions about his competency and probably just being waifufags.
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>>3495359
I can't speak for the players, but the option is there because Ayaka is a shoujo novel heroine and there's no way a bishounen saber like ??? isn't going to immediately latch on.
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>>3495371
>give a decent reason as to why we wouldn't really want to see our Master right now
>get accused of being a waifufag
Okay,
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
Happy now?
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>>3495371
Circe is the only waifu, our wish is to get Circe and Adelheid back
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>>3495371
Okay so lets think of it like this if Matsuda and/or Ogawara are at school then that means we have Circe and maybe Adelheid. Which would be extremely helpful if we can get them back.
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>inb4 Circe and Adelheid are our NPs
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>>3495371
If you ask me, it makes plenty of sense in character. Rushorou just realized that Circe and Adelheid, the two people he trusted implicitly and cared for like no one he's ever met before before, are gone and quite probably never coming back. Hell, he just did the closest thing he's ever done to crying himself to sleep. Right now, he can either focus on the Holy Grail War and be reminded of the partners he no longer has and the pain of losing them, or he can walk to school like he used to (though he wasn't excited by his past life, people tend to find some comfort in routines) and have a chat with someone to try to take his mind off of things.

>>3495385
If they really ceased to exist when Akeldama ended, that wish will probably just net us fresh copies rather than the allies we had in Akeldama.
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>>3495400
>Caster converted into our defensive, more utilitarian NP
>Bahsaka is our offensive NP
ANON NO
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>>3495382
I just couldn't see many other reasons to vote that way. Rushurou's typically a pretty pragmatic guy.
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>>3495409
You haven't read through CA, have you?
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>>3495303
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
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>>3495303
Gonna switch back to
>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
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>>3495407
They went back to where they came from: the Throne of Heroes.
If we word our wish right, they'll come back with complete memories or with the memories of our time in Akeldama, because the Heroic Spirits have all the memories and the Grail just fucks with those (I submit F/GO Bond Dialogues as evidence).
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>>3495409
Sure, but we just lost two of our partners. I can see it as people wanting to take a little break before the fun times starts.
That said, I think there'll be other opportunities to play otome games later on.

>>3495303
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
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>>3495422
According to FSN, the best description for the way Heroic Spirits absorb the information granted by each of their incarnations is that they read a book of everything that occurred during that incarnation's lifetime. We'll be little more than characters from a novel to any later incarnation, if they can even pick us out from all the information they have to deal with.

It's also worth noting that Adelheid started as 100% Hitler but became more of her own person as the war dragged on. What that says about how the main spirit handles information and incarnation, I don't know.
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>>3495422
So if we were to wish them back we would need to word it like "I wish for the reincarnations of the servants I had during Akeldama" or something similar?
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>>3495422
>>3495428
It's also worth stating that FSN mentions multiple times that servants shouldn't have the memories of their other incarnations, which is why Saber's memory is one of her unique traits as a servant who isn't dead yet.
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>>3495429
I'm pretty sure, yes.
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>>3495427
> I think there'll be other opportunities to play otome games later on.
While that's possible, it'll be much harder for us to take time off later in the grail war as a Saber. We were able to relax for a bit as Caster's master because Caster and therefore relative safety.
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I think it'd be fair to say that we would be more EMIYA than Saber after our recent revelation.
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>>3495395
Anon, they don't go to your school. Remember the big emotional scene when Matsuda told you his backstory, about how he goes to Japan's worst high school, a recruiting ground for the Yakuza? How his only future prospects are as a mobster because of the fact that he goes to this school, and he keeps fighting every day even though he's lost the joy of combat because he needs to keep up his record?
Also, when you met Ogawara you noticed that his uniform was from a more prestigious school than yours.
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>>3495422
And you Rushorou to get over having his pillars of support being taken right from under him, quickly enough to consider that prospect, just like that. I'm not saying we mope for half of the quest but we had our most emotional moments with Circe and Adelheid, and I personally think it would feel off to immediately convert said trauma into motivation.
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>>3495447
Ah fuck I forgot. Well might as well go, I mean the war has not started yet and its not like we would see us walking to school.

Right?
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>>3495448
Not immediately, of course. This is just a future course of action.
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>>3495456
Did your ID change?
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>>3495440
Possibly. We know jack about this war and I don't really want to get chewed by our master this early.
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>>3495456
You haven't voted, I see.
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>>3495470
The vote is tied 4-4.
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>>3495475
That's why I'm suggesting that tNIVjWM2 vote.
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>>3495461
Yes
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>>3495481
I voted in >>3495304, but if you insist...
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)
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Yeah, that's a 4-4 tie. Now I must wait. By all means, continue arguing your respective cases! Convince people to change their votes!
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>>3495492
No, I'll just samefag instead
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I think Dutyfags need a better explanation for >>3495448, outside of "We don't want to upset the Master that facilitated this".
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>>3495498
Truly a statement worthy of being the 666th reply.
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>>3495504
The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt
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>>3495514
It doesn't, but there's always the write-in option.
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>>3495515
There you go again, with the Dream Crusher Skill.
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We need to take this grail war seriously, now isn't the time for a walk down memory lane. We should be preparing, finding out our master's capabilities as well as our own. A little nostalgia trip through Tokyo doesn't do anything for us in this war.
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Fuck it, I hate ties.
>>3495303
>[ ] "How admirable of him. Where can I find your brother, by the way? We have a great deal to discuss." (Duty)

>>3495520
This is also an honestly shitty reason.
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>>3495532
Come on, anon. Don't compromise out of impatience! Fight for your opinion, keep up the debate!
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>Fight for your opinion, keep up the debate!
No. They know they don't have a good, in-character reason to not attempt at Denial. They're just being belligerent metafags.
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>>3495533
Disregard him, comply with the human consensus
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>>3495303
>[ ] "In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
If a grail war is kicking off, our Master’s sister is immediately a big target. The guy has at least wards around his house, while she supposedly has nothing to defend herself from anyone looking for an early lead. If nothing else, I’d ask our Master about escorting her to school.
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Now I can flop back to Compassion/Self-Preservation. Make sure we get a change of clothes.

I REALLY hope that new vote isn't somebody ID-hopping.
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>>3495541
>pic
The Ufotable anime sure is great, huh?
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>>3495547
When in doubt...
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A note while I work on writing the update:
Earlier, some of you folks were speculating about whether or not you can still develop new skills and learn new things as a Servant. After considering the matter, I've decided that you can do so, since you're still alive rather than a copy of a heroic spirit.
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>>3495562
>since you're still alive
That's good to hear.
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>>3495562
This calls for a party!
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>we're 66 posts away from autosage
Damn.
>>3495571
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>>3495562
Since you're still here, does Conceptual Biology count inhalation or IV as "consumption"?
Or is that something we'll have to find out?
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>>3495585
Yes. As long as it takes the form of something that shouldn't harm you, the actual substance is unimportant.
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>>3495590
So it's Poison Resistance V2.
...Wow, that's pretty busted
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"In that case, why don't I accompany you? It would only be proper to ensure my Master's sister is kept quite safe." You give Ayaka your most charming smile, hoping she won't insist on going alone. Frankly, you're not sure you can face Vaisset right now after last night. Even if he was unaware of the true nature of Judas' Noble Phantasm, the thought of trying to cooperate with the man who initiated the Akeldama's use infuriates you. Hopefully you can reach a more measured state of mind after walking his sister to school; at least it will take your mind off of things.

Ayaka blushes faintly, looking away from your eyes. "Oh, thank you! I'd be happy to have you with me, but, um..." she trails off, before finishing hesitantly, "your clothes. You don't really fit in with the modern world."

"Of course," you reply, "I wasn't thinking. I suppose a knight's armor is hardly appropriate here and now, in modern Tokyo. Unfortunately, this is my only set of clothing. I suppose that puts an end to the idea of escorting you."

"Not necessarily," Ayaka cuts in. "I mean, well, Nii-san really shouldn't make you go around in that armor all the time anyway. I think I can find some of my father's clothing that would fit you."

"If you don't mind taking the time..." you say, but she's already walking by you to head back into the house.

"Not at all," she calls back, "like I said, Nii-san is having me leave early anyway. Follow me, Saber-san."

The girl leads you up to the third floor, to a large bedroom that seems unoccupied now. It's dominated by a queen-sized four-poster bed, and has large picture windows that overlook the front yard, as well as a writing desk and a variety of other furniture facilitating work or relaxation. Ayaka, however, makes straight for the closet. As she begins sorting through suits, you interject, "I hope your father won't object to your giving me his clothing, now."

Ayaka pauses for a moment, letting out a melancholy chuckle, and then goes back to looking through the clothing. "He won't mind, Saber-san. Our parents passed away several years ago, so it's just Nii-san and I here now."

"Oh, do excuse me," you say, "I'm sorry for bringing up a tender subject."

Ayaka brushes off the apology with the attitude of one whose heard the same matter apologized for a thousand times. "Don't worry about it. Like I said, it was several years ago. Bringing it up now won't hurt. Now," she turns and lays two suits out on the bed. "Why don't you pick one of these and put it on? I'll be waiting outside."
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Sure enough, the senior Vaisset's suits do seem to be in your size. From her choices, you surmise that your cloak made quite the impression on Ayaka; both outfits give a dark impression. One is a light gray suit, moderated by a black shirt and tie, while the other is a black suit with burgundy pinstripes paired with a white shirt and black tie. The girl even found socks and a pair of black brogue shoes for you. You have to admit, you find yourself impressed by her swift competence in finding you these outfits.

>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.

>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.
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>>3495666
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
Devilry afoot
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.
Vaisset will be killed and by our hand.
Save us Ruler!
Or the organiser
Or somebody.
Words cannot explain how much I want him dead.
JUDAAAAAAAASSSSS
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>>3495689
I hope we can make quips along the lines of "You never know when an enemy Master is going to trigger some ritual Noble Phantasm in an attempt to indiscriminately harvest the life force of innocent people."
>the reward for winning the Akeldama is an existence where you are bound as the Servant of the man who ordered the death of you and your friends, as well as the knowledge that you might be the only survivor and every one in the world is dead. Including the two people that are responsible for making you feel like a human.
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.
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>>3491019
Sweets, wouldn't it be a good idea to put Yumigawa's original stats as a seperate page so people reading through the CA archive can see what his abilities were at that point?
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
Gotta match our color scheme
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>>3495810
black and burgundy sounds like an Alter color scheme desu
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>>3495824
>[ ] Wear the gray suit with black shirt and tie.

It's frightfully similar to the Shadow.
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>>3495689
Actually switch to
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
I want to scream DANGER
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>>3495828
Another tie...
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I prefer gray/black because it matches our current color scheme and black/burgundy would just bring up that bad memory again.
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>>3495666
>[X] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
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>>3495833
Our cape is black with red stripes.
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>>3495836
>Our cape is black with red stripes.
riddler_raising_finger_then_putting_it_down.png
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>>3495831
and before anyone asks, ID changed from >>3495672 >>3495679
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>>3495666
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
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>>3495826
>>3495824
But guys... Our cape already has that black and red theme, we may as well go all-In.
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>>3495843
Yeah you have a good point.
>[ ] Wear the black and burgundy suit with white shirt and black tie.
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I just hope nobody thinks much of our color scheme outside of "wow, so cool/edgy".
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>>3495848
We're a 6 foot 2 handsome pale man with white hair and red eyes.
Honestly I doubt it would be our suit that might tip people off.
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>>3495848
Key bit- Rushorou is handsome.
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>tfw people are gonna think we're an Einzbern combat homunculus again while in civilian disguise.
>attempt to take us out with magecraft
>"Actually I'm Saber."
I seriously hope we can use the sword to sunder NPs and the cloak to make them go away forever.
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>>3495851
>>3495858
>average male height in Japan is 5'7"
Oh.
We absolutely tower over most people.
Can't wait to confuse the Einzbern.
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>>3495858
>spoiler
We probably should be, nothing prevents them from being lost forever in 'normal' cases (Breaking, destruction by other NPs, etc.).
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Speaking of Einzbern, since we are aware of their treatment from Truvi, are we going to spare her?
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>>3495873
Anon, what question are you posing here?
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>>3495878
We know that the Einzbern mistreat their homonculi.
Anon wants to be nice to the artificial human.
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>>3495878
Not kill her? Tale her in as a daughteru? What were YOU thinking?
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>>3495880
>>3495881
Ah, so you were referring to a hypothetical Einzbern with that “her”. Whatever seems prudent when the situation comes along.
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>>3495884
She's gone for good, anon...
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>>3495873
Dunno. Yumigawa has no personal attachment to the Homunculi, and I don't think we've leveled Compassion enough to go full SEIGI NO MIKATA
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>>3495887
Is this what having manjew in your head feels like?
Let's hope FUCKING JUDAS was telling the truth.
>>3495890
I don't know, in the setting the mistreatment of homonculi is just upsetting to anyone with a heart. Which Rushorou is slowly discovering he has.
????? (Name pending) might want to protect the German loli just because they remind him of Adelheid somewhat.
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>>3495896
>Implying Rushorou has compassion
I, RUSHOROU, have a dream! To conquer, to triumph, to take what is rightfully mine by those who do no deserve it!
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>>3495901
Except when his waifus are involved and they disappear.
Then he gets mopey and sad.
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>>3495896
>Let's hope FUCKING JUDAS was telling the truth.
Luckily, he's not known for being an inveterate liar or legendary for sociopathy. If anything his fatal flaw is greed ("30 shekels for all your messiah-killing needs") and he killed himself afterward out of guilt
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>>3495916
But if our servants aren't here, where would they be?
If they appear where they died...
Circe is somewhere in the Mediterranean
Adelheid is in the Fuhrerbunker/somewhere in Argentina.
It's also possible they appeared where we disappeared from when Akeldama began
The rest of the crew are scattered about Japan and Truvi is in Finland.
Alternatively everyone appeared at the real Akeldama.
I'm not sure how they'd keep sustained though unless our mana supply was seperated from us somehow.
They also can't track us from the command spell link.
Hmm...
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>>3495931
If everyone goes back where they came from, it seems more likely that Akeldama would register the Throne of Heroes as their origin, since they're copies of accessible Heroic Spirits, which would explain the absence of the contract (although suddenly becoming a Servant might also explain it).
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I’m still on the “because Rushorou was the master of the servants, they were incorporated into Rushorou and added to his power” boat, because it makes sense to me.
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>>3495948
But we don't seem to have access to explosions or Divine Words. Yet...
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>>3495954
But we *do* have two noble phantasms, one of which is implicitly linked to a certain witch...
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Y’know, something has been eating at me. So I understand the fluctuations of most of Rushorou’s mental stats, but exactly how desire falls is unknown to me. Any thoughts anons? Rushorou can’t just become endlessly hungry for life and pleasures, right? Right?
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>>3495948
I can think of about 12 dozen arguments against that.
First of all is that it's just needlessly cruel if Sweets does that.
>>3495940
I guess we'll see. If anyone can cheat their way out of that it's Circe.
>>3495956
The Sword?
The Cloak?
Both of those are completely linked to our origin and element.
Circe just made the cloak.
If we got abilities/NPs from all the servants of Akeldama we'd be a fucking invincible Colt-toting God.
Nothing implies that happened to them.
>>3495957
This has been gone over like 4 times by Sweets now, figure it out yourself.
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>>3495965
>hide Ayaka and Jean in Justinian's church
>sally out for offensive action in Queen Anne's Revenge
>Have the zombie crewmen capture Masters and then use Metaschimatistikí Velóna, make them into pigs to remember Circe by
>go around pokemanning enemy Servants, then kill them with Colt .45 or just fucking aloha snackbar them
>yo dawg I heard you like Grail Wars
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>>3495974
If we legitimately had the power of 8 Servants then Counter Guardians get deployed on us and we die.
Alaya ain't risking that shit.
Also all our Parameters would be A+++/EX just by the accumulation.
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>>3495974
>and whatever Inner Assassin could do
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>>3495977
Yeah, it's be funny if we could do all that; but forget the Counter Guardians, that would probably attract Primate Murder.
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>>3495979
Die after jobbing hard with all of our abilities unrevealed?
Twice?
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>>3495983
worst NP ever
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>>3495985
Given the circumstances of Akeldama, Assassin was always going to be useless.
Cid just wanted to use his to kill the last servant.
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>>3495979
He was Robin Hood, you know more or less what he could do already.
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Wouldn't we end up making causing the Counterforces to act anyway, given the fact we're basically a Servant with no foreseeable limits?
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>>3496002
It's possible that the Counter Forces are acting right now and we just can't perceive it.
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>>3496002
???
It doesn't really get involved unless it's an OH GOD EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE moment or if it's leading to that.
Guardians will kill everyone if things are dire.
It might however be doing shit in the background.
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>>3496005
No, the Counter Force is always active, pruning utopian and dystopian timelines and subtly nudging humans. Counter Guardians are the ones who don't get involved unless shit gets serious.
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>>3496006
Counter Guardians are deployed by the Counter Force, genius.
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>>3496008
Reread my post.
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>>3496006
Also the timeline pruning shit is retarded FGOshit.
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>>3496008
The point is that Gaia and Alaya are always involved.
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>>3496008
The Counter Force usually acts indirectly. In KnK, for example, the Counter Force nudges Shiki into going after Araya before Araya's experiment can become a real problem.
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>>3496013
Except theeey areeeen't.
They only get involved when the situation is actually dangerous to humanity/the planet.
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Wait a sec, I never even mentioned anything about the frequency of their involvement. I got strung along by the conversation like the retard I am.
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>>3496052
It happens to the best of us.
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>>3496054
Your the one who strung me along in the first place.
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>>3496059
Irrelevant
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Man, autosage within 3 days.
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>>3496097
Clearly new story arcs generate good player engagement. I just hope we can keep up this pace.
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Anyway, while I'm out and unable to update, has anyone had any new brainwaves for your NP names? They're going to need them...
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>>3496107
I'm hyped for a fight
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>>3496121
And we seem to be going with "Trennen" for the sword and "Exorizon" for the cape.

But if anyone changes their mind the list is up at >>3493898
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>>3496128
Seemed like people were warming up to Kenotis.
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>>3496128
I still feel like Exorizon sounds like a hand cream.
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>>3496151
>t. Kenotis shill
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>>3496156
Kenotis was my idea, so yeah.
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>>3496107
I'm intrigued by multiple things.
>>3496121
Exorizon for the cape is my pick.
For sword...
Weltflucht? (Meaning "to escape/withdraw from the world") (also meaning escapism)
Spaltstahl? (Gap Steel)
Lückestahl? (also Gap Steel) (idk)
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>>3496164
I'll go for Kenótis for the cloak actually.
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>>3496164
>Weltflucht? (Meaning "to escape/withdraw from the world") (also meaning escapism)
Fits us thematically, on multiple fronts.
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>>3496164
Ooooo, Weltflucht is great. I think that and Kenótis are real winners.
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>>3496151
>1000% of germs banished or your money was banished as well, sorry
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While we're at it, time for Season 2 OP and ED
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>>3496169
Yeah.
Probably my favourite so far if I say so myself.
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>>3496184
ED- The Show Must Go On?
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>>3496196
That would be nice if this was Jojo.
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>>3496196
A bit too fast-paced for my taste.
Maybe Dire Straits - So Far Away?
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>>3496184
Oh, definitely! Taking all suggestions!
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>>3496210
Very nice song, the pace is definitely better
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I would recommend Code Crush for the OP but, we never really told our Servants that we loved them so, I don't this it would really fit in a lyrical sense.
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Wait, are we just picking any song?
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>>3496228
JP songs are preferred, but for F/CA I ended up giving in on that since I don't listen to much JP music. Ended up going with Queen's Gimme The Prize for the OP and Hanazawa Kana's Waltz for Praha for the ED.
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>>3496228
Whatever fits anon, unless sweets decides to make the a vote proper (which he won’t, because there’s little reason to).
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OP is just Code Geass' 4th OP, O2
https://youtu.be/Jt9e9R5gWTk
I CONTINUE TO FIGHT
I CONTINUE TO FIIIIIGHT
Anyway
Sweets what do you think of Weltflucht for the sword?
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>>3496228
Nah, we're doing what works for the current story arc.

For OP, something peppy is in order. Maybe Earth, Wind & Fire - Magnetic
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>>3496242
>Sweets what do you think of Weltflucht for the sword?
It's good! More thematically appropriate for the cloak, but a good name.
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>>3496240
>I don't listen to much JP music
Also, this
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>>3496251
Yeah it would but I think it's pretty unanimous that anons want to name the cloak in Greek for Circe.
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Going in a different direction, how about Wesen for the sword? Since being "Saber" is now at the core of ???'s character.
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Playing on the old Odyssey angle, Home At Last is a song I like as another potential ED piece. Obviously it’s not perfect for Rushorou’s current position, but maybe after *this* grail war falls through...
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Considering what Rushorou just learned, Summoning 101 by Mili might be thematically appropriate as an OP or ED. The band is Japanese, but they sing in English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6q41EnhPnU

>>3496283
That could work. I like the simplicity.
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>>3496283
Simple and connected to Rushorou’s character, although I personally still prefer the sound of Weltflucht
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>>3496283
Wesen could work.
I like it.
I do still like Weltflucht.
How about Weltteiler (World Divider)?
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>>3496353
>World Divider
>implying it'll get strong enough to become Anti-Planet
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>>3496363
>implying it won't
I Shiggy Diggy.
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>>3496248
>Earth, Wind & Fire - Magnetic
What does this have to do with the story?
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Wesen or Weltflucht?
Are we decided on Kenótis?
What about our name? I'm partial to Agilmar.
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>>3496548
I like Wesen, Kenotis, and Cipher. Agilmar sounds weird.
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Wesen, Kenotis and Egilhard.
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>>3496548
I’m a Weltflucht and Kenótis kind of guy.

Namewise... I don’t know. Tbh I almost want it to be put to a formal vote just to get it done. We’ve certainly got plenty of options for Sweets to put on the table.
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Weltflucht also works.
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>>3496210
If you folks really lean into the missing your Servants angle this could work.

>>3496223
I remember someone recommended a Megaman X opening last time, too. Was that you? At any rate, decent song.

>>3496242
You know, I don't remember that song at all from watching Code Geass. It's okay.

>>3496327
This works on multiple levels. I like it. It does tell a very specific story, though.
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>>3496824
>Was that you?
yeh
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>>3496184
Alright, I may have chosen an ED! Futatabi, by Tai Eijirou:
https://youtu.be/OP29PdsbYTI?t=1723
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>>3496824
Is this any good for Saber?
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>>3496891
Nice.
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>>3496891
Your face still looks like this, but for the armor and cloak that's excellent! The only thing I would say is that the stripes on the cloak should be slightly thinner.
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>>3496909
I mean yeah, I can't really get Kira's face on there without it looking totally out of place.
As for the stripes I'll see what I can do.
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>>3496927
Don't worry, I'm not asking you to shop the face. In fact, I'd leave Agravain's face and hair untouched to emphasize that he's just modeling the armor.
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>>3496861
I don’t know how you found it, but it’s great!
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>>3496941
>I don’t know how you found it
DEEP CUTS
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>>3496932
How about now?
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>>3496979
Wait shit hold on
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>>3496979
>>3496991
Bruh...
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>>3496992
There's a minor difference.
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>>3496993
I'll take you're word for it.

I wonder how Ayaka's day is going to go after her classmates see us with her.
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>>3496991
That's good, I like it. That definitely works for your armor.
Notes on how Saber's outfit differs:
The fastening point on your belt is shifted to the right (your left), so that it's on your hip, and that's where your sword hangs.
Your cloak is normally wrapped around you, fastened with a silver brooch between your neck and left shoulder so that the cloak parts slightly to the left of center. The brooch is in the shape of your command spell with Circe, the wing.

>>3497008
He changed the stripes on the cloak slightly, they're a bit wobbly in seibah3.png.
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>>3497011
>The brooch is in the shape of your command spell with Circe, the wing
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>>3497006
>The pin is in the shape of your command spell with Circe, the wing.
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>The brooch is in the shape of your command spell with Circe, the wing.
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>>3497016
>>3497025
What? Everybody likes memorabilia.
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>>3497030
SHUT UP
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>>3497030
Yes.
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>>3497030
Rushorou will take back everything he’s earned
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I wonder if our Master is smart enough to realise that his new servant would actually very much like to kill him and will likely take the opportunity at the very first chance he gets to backstab him.
>"You just ordered the deaths of 1000 innocent people and fucked with me personally"
>"Oh well."
That shit would fly with almost zero Servants.
Especially considering that were it actually a Servant that had taken Judas' place they would likely still be loyal to their original Master.
Jean-Pierre is about as bright as one would expect a magi to be about shit like this.
Honestly, hearing "You just killed 1000 innocent people" would absolutely fuck up even somebody like Kiritsugu who tries his hardest to hide his humanity.
Fucking Magi.
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>>3497030
You know exactly what you've done. Are you happy now? Is Papa Kirei proud of you?
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>>3497058
If worst comes to worst we can always just see if stabbing our activated sword into our activated cloak creates a rift in the fabric of reality as one last fuck you to Tokyo, Grail Wars and Magi in general.
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>>3497052
>>"You just ordered the deaths of 1000 innocent people and fucked with me personally."
>>"Wow, cool self-contained universe!"
fixed
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>>3496536
I was sleepy and I thought it was connected, so sue me
>>3497052
[Still too depressed after experiencing loss for the first time, try again later]
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That's magi for you. Remember that Rin's summary of a Servant (spoken to Archer's face) was "a familiar. He's got a bit of an attitude, though, so he's troublesome to control." Then there's Kayneth and Kiritsugu's behavior of "why is this tool acting like it can think?"
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>>3497071
On the plus side, we're now strong enough to properly decapitate a man with a chop of our hand.
Just in case we feel like somebody might require it.
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>>3497067
>inb4 it just makes them fuse into a bigger portal
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>>3497067
Sounds like a recipe for taking two Counter Force cocks up our ass.
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>>3497079
Of course it depends on if it's as apocalyptic as I think it is.
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>>3497073
Do these people even fucking know what Heroic Spirits are?
I mean, sure you have 3 absolute commands to use on them.
But what difference does that make if they can kill you before you get to say a word?
>>3497079
>Counter Guardians destroy the city, the war and every participant
keikaku doori
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>>3497085
Anon, they’re MAGI. That alone should tell you who they think they are.
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>>3497088
Oh right, I forgot in their mind that learning a new spell for magic missile puts them on a level of existence far higher than that of mere legendary figures from history and myth renowned as heroes for achieving the impossible.
Silly me.
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>>3497075
You don't even need strength when you teleport instead of cut.

>>3497085
They bank on the Heroic Spirits being willing to cooperate to get the grail, since that's why they were summoned. Magi don't usually expect to summon a morally-dubious, unnamed victor of a previous Holy Grail War, especially not in the Saber class.
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Man, I feel like Egilhard has a hard life ahead of him.
Please vote Egilhard.
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>>3497085
>But what difference does that make if they can kill you before you get to say a word?
Magi who willingly fight in a Grail War are usually not stupid enough to deliberately antagonize their Servants. An example is Tokiomi and Gilgamesh -- he HAD to be doing something right to be spared by Gil.
>>3497099
The Servant's incentive is the chance of getting a wish. Of course, nobody except a Tohsaka, Einzbern or Matou knows the true purpose.
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>>3497099
>They bank on the Heroic Spirits being willing to cooperate to get the grail
I mean some of the time sure.
But then you've got absolute fucking brainlets like Atrum Galliasta.
>betraying the witch of betrayal
o shit nigga wat r u doin
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>>3497108
>Egilhard
I will if Agilmar doesn't win.
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Expanded Name List, compiling previous suggestions:

Math-Based:
Zero
Cipher
Euler

God-Complex:
I
Genesis

Germanic:
Alberich
Sigismund
Adalwin
Ermenrich
Agilmar
Hildebrand
Athanarich
Cynebald
Adelmar
Fridenot
Gerbold
Agilulf
Egilhard
Havarthr
Ludolf
Chlodovech
Aelfnoth
Odalrich
Audovacar
Sigimar
Aliprand
Faramund
Sigivald
Waldomar

Roman:
Lucius
Nero
Aetius
Albinus
Brutus
Aeneas
Julian
Antonius
Faustus
Aeureus
Claudius
Augustus
Cyprianus

So we have them all in one place
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>>3497149
Just gonna list in order of preference
First Choice
>Agilmar
Second Choice
>Egilhard
Third Choice
>Cipher
Fourth Choice
>Nero (umu)
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>>3497149
Is two names too many? Aetius Egilhard is pretty nice, combining Rushorou’s noble and mighty stature, bravery, and the fact that he is now Saber.
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>>3497149
For me the historical ones are lame. We're not a historical figure and barely even have a connection to humanity at this point. Plus they're all fuckin mouthfuls
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>>3497164
Oh I like that.
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>>3497167
Most of them (at least, most of the Germanic ones) aren't even historical or mythological in nature, they're just names that come from a different language than English.
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>putting a Roman and Germanic name together
Funny.
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>>3497167
Can't confuse our enemies if we go for a non-standard name like Cipher or Genesis.
With a historic name those assholes can be guaranteed to be scouring history books.
Also should a chivalrous servant want to play the "let's tell each other our name because muh honour" game we can safely do so.
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>>3497175
We /late empire/ now. Which is also partially why I picked up Aetius.
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>>3497149
Typo. Aeureus should be Aureus.
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>>3497182
>Can't confuse our enemies if we go for a non-standard name like Cipher or Genesis.
>not wanting to confuse our enemies
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>Aetius contributed to the end of Altera

Let's NOT pick that name...
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>>3497188
What he’s saying is that if we pick some random bullshit it’ll be so distinct that our enemies won’t waste their time being confused af and scouring old tomes.
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>>3497188
They'll be quicker to assume "oh a non-standard servant" with those names.
If it sounds vaguely historical you can bet your ass they'll try to research who we are in every history book they own.
Magi can't into internet hahaha.
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You have a point.
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We should just pick one (1) name then.
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Hmmm.
I wonder...
It might be possible to contact Ogawara if we use the internet and use the 2ch equivalent of /x/ or something.
>when Saber asks for a laptop
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>>3497214
>We're in the internet Golden Age
I want to go back

We'd probably it ourselves as a newfag before that.
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For anyone uncertain, here's a reminder. This story takes place in November 2019, fifteen years after the events of Fate/Stay Night. Today is Thursday the 14th, to be precise.The Akeldama was a replica of the summer of 2004, but you're back in the real world now.
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>>3497224
I can't wait until I can afford a new computer.
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>>3497230
Oh.
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>>3497234
Yes anon.
We can have our boy Ogawara doxx the gang back together.
God bless the information age.
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>>3497198
We're not gonna give our name out to our enemies anyway. To them we're just gonna be saber.
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>>3497234
Dream Crusher EX strikes again.

>>3497237
I'm pretty sure Matsuda told us where he goes to school. I don't remember about Ogawara and Kikuko, though. Though even if it wasn't stated outright, we should definitely know where Kikuko went to school given the memory dive.
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>>3497238
I mean if we get challenged to a knightly duel or something.
We can play along and reveal our new name.
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>>3497242
>Revealing our name to the enemy
>When we just told our master we don't know what it was
Jean's going to be double pissed about that.
I wonder if we can bait him into wasting his command spells on pointless shit...
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>>3497242
Pick a Germanic name. People like the Knights of the Round generally don't have surnames.
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>>3497250
Do you have a Mr. Sword handy? Or maybe missus Sword, depending on the frog’s persuasion?
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>>3497240
Cromartie Tech.
Additionally we gave him, Circe and Adelheid our backstory too.
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After some thorough consideration, you decide to opt for the black suit. After all, the last thing you were wearing in the Akeldama was a black suit with a wine-red tie; it's a good combination for your eyes and complexion, and you may as well continue the style. Cream suits certainly aren't an option in November, after all. After dispelling your armor and getting dressed, you find the suit is a bit of a tight fit after all. Clearly the senior Vaisset didn't have the muscular frame of a knight. Still, it's not too bad, and you can probably have the family get you a properly tailored suit at some point; they certainly have the money. After checking yourself in the mirror and making sure you're back to your old look of sharp modernity, you head back out to meet Ayaka.

The girl's eyes widen slightly as you walk through the door, and she exclaims. "I knew that was the perfect suit for you! Dad always said he wore black to match his hair, but the contrast suits you."

"Thank you, Miss Ayaka," you say with a courtly flourish and smile. "I'm touched by your concern for my appearance. Now, I think we really should be going."

"Sure," Ayaka says, taking her phone out of her bag to check the time. "Oh, you're right! I'm almost running late. Come on, Saber-san." With that, she turns and walks up to the street, turning left as she passes the wrought-iron fence marking the property line. You hasten to follow, walking up the street after her. As you look around, taking in the numerous luxuriant western-style mansions, you wonder just where exactly this neighborhood is. Hopefully the route to Kyoutenkan Academy will enlighten you as to the location of your new home.

As you're looking around, Ayaka picks up the conversation. "This must all be new to you, right, Saber-san? I'm sure they didn't have cities like Tokyo when you were alive..."

"I suppose it is new," you say, nodding. It makes a better explanation than trying to see where you are in relation to your house. "I don't know if your brother told you, but my memories are largely indeterminate; I can't rightly say what sort of cities people lived in during my life. The Grail, however, does provide we Servants with academic knowledge of the time period we're summoned to. It might be easiest to treat me like someone who's read about Tokyo, but never visited."

"So that's how it is, huh..." Ayaka muses, sounding intrigued by the idea. "There's not much to see on my walk to school, though. It's just a residential area all around it."

"Oh, don't worry about that, Miss Ayaka," you say with a chuckle. "I came along to protect you, not to see the sights."

"R-right, thank you, Saber-san." The girl is blushing again, looking away from you in embarrassment. After a bit of awkward silence, an idea strikes her. "I bet you'd, um, like to hear about my family, right? Our names are strange and all..."
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"I don't want to pry," you begin, "but if you don't mind telling me, I'd be happy to hear about your family's circumstances."

"Well, I guess you know about magi, right?"

"I have some general knowledge," you say, "similarly to the rest of the modern world."

"Good, that makes it easier to explain. My parents were both the heads of their families, the Shijou on my mother's side and the Vaisset on my father's. Of course, they couldn't just combine the magic crests, right? So, when they had two magically talented children they decided to split things between us." Ayaka holds up her right arm, showing you a flowing pattern of minutely inscribed sigils and crests, glowing slightly while she sends energy through them. "Nii-san is dad's heir, Jean-Pierre Vaisset; and I'm my mother's, Shijou Ayaka."

She gives you an unsatisfied look that you can't quite place. Frustration, maybe, or something else. "I should be the one fighting for the Holy Grail, you know," she says, seemingly irritated by the idea. "It's the Shijou family's land being used, not the Vaisset's. The command spells came to me, too. But Nii-san says it's too dangerous, that I'm not ready. So he had Father Antaglio transfer the spells over to him. I guess it's better to be safe, but what do you think?" Rushing ahead of you, she turns to face you while moving walking to school backwards. "Would I really be useless as a Master?"

"I'm sure you'd be a lovely Master, Miss Ayaka," you say reassuringly. "Your brother is probably just worried about the dangers of the Grail War, and trying to protect you."

As you're speaking, the two of you arrive at the outskirts of Kyoutenkan Academy, and you quickly cut off any further discussion of magic or the Grail War. You stop at the front gate as she makes her way in, and it seems you'll go unseen as there are few students on the grounds right now. The two of you made much better time than you'd expected.

Before you can leave, however, a gaggle of girls seems to appear from nowhere and arrest Ayaka's progress. You heave an inward sigh; gossiping groups of teenage girls have always been your least favorite aspect of school life. "Ayaka-chan, who's this?" a brunette says, immediately followed up by a black-haired girl saying, "you have an escort now? How did that happen?" Then all five are talking over each other, and discerning words becomes impossible. Finally Ayaka manages to interject an explanation, though, despite her comparatively soft voice and timid manner. "Everyone," she says, "this is Saber-san, a butler my brother hired. You know how protective Nii-san can be, of course. It seems like he's finally had enough of letting me go around alone, and decided to have a servant attend me." Then she's buried in more feminine questions and excited squeals. "Saber? What kind of name is that?" "A butler, huh? I wish my family could hire me a hot foreign butler." "Where's he from?"
...and so on.
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"Ojou-sama," you cut in, warming to your role as attendant. "Shouldn't you and your friends be getting to class? I'm sure you can answer all of their questions later. Please, young ladies, don't let the trivial appearance of one such as myself prevent you from attending properly to your studies."

Cowed by the air of humble authority you injected into your tone, the girls allow themselves to be led off by Ayaka, although you soon hear their conversation pick up again in the distance. Now you're alone, standing outside of your old school.

>[ ] Look around the area. See if anything's changed. (Curiosity)

>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)

>[ ] Wait here for Ayaka to finish her classes. (Duty/Compassion)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3497304
>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)
Aww, no participants picked a fight with us. Oh well. Now, I wonder if Vaisset is truly so compassionate or if he just wants the wish Or the greater treasure available. Time to get to business.
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>>3497304
>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)
We'll ask our Master if we can escort her back.
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>>3497304
>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)
>>3497314
That's a secret to everybody.
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>>3497304
>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)
Hopefully, we can go pick her up, too, but for now let's get back to Jean.
"You're not ready to be a master, gimme seals"
Shinji 3.0?
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>>3497328
Hopefully not, Rushorou wouldn’t abide serving that faggot long enough to properly replace him
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>>3497304
>[ ] Go back to the manor. (Duty)
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>>3497328
Well, it's either that or "Oh god, my little sister has to fight in a war. Can we keep that from happening?"
Which angle it is, you'll just have to find out.
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>>3497334
I sincerely hope not. Perseus was enough of a pain to deal with. Serving under him would be... ugh.

>>3497338
> "Oh god, my little sister has to fight in a war. Can we keep that from happening?"
>Magi mindset
>Shouldn't even really have a little sister to begin with
>Implying
I have a hypothesis.
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>>3497341
Hopefully, Ayaka's little mention about "Nii-san" being overprotective translates to Jean not being complete shit. Can't call it in just yet, but my hopes aren't high.
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>>3497345
>>3493341
>He didn't see
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>>3497345
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT BUT I'M ANGRY ANYWAY, SWEEEEEEEETS
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>>3497349
I saw that post and responded to it. It's the seiyuu that I've slipped up regarding. Let's see if anyone remembers...
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>>3497354
He fucked up her name. It's Sajou, not Shijou.
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>>3497357
Oh.
Oooooooooohhhhh......
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>Ayaka named us Saber in front of her classmates
Gee, I sure hope none of our opponents overheard her...
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>>3497357
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I'm gonna go ahead and switch to waiting.
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>>3497387
Come on now anon, there’s no way there’s numerous teenaged masters in this war too, right?
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>>3497390
You know you're the only person voting to wait, so why don't you give your reasoning? Maybe you'll convince people rather than just getting immediately outvoted when I call it.
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>>3497388
That's Adelheid's VA.

>>3497391
The grail wanted at least one more than there currently is, so...
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>>3497395
Wait, I think I understand.
>Duty AND Compassion
>Ayaka is defenceless, while Jean can tell us if he's being attacked or even Command Spell us back if needed
I might switch too.
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>>3497395
Well, we did say that we would be her escort, so that's one reason. Another reason is the fact that women tend to gossip, especially teens, so the rumour of Ayaka having a "Saber-san" is going to spread far and wide.
This is liable to reach the ears of somebody we don't want, putting her at risk.
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>>3497403
It's almost like escorting her to school was a dumb idea in the first place
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>>3497406
Hindsight is always 20/20, anon. Like accepting Archer's alliance in Akeldama.
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Say, did anybody else have opinions on Futatabi for the ED? Think I only heard from one person. If you haven't yet, give it a listen.
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>>3497406
Besides, the choice seemed more in-character so I chose it.
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>>3497406
>inb4 Ayaka would have gotten kidnapped and used as a hostage if she went alone
>inb4 Jean actually does care about her so he'd be stuck working for someone who would most likely try to kill the three of them afterward
>"Yup, escorting her was a bad idea!"
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I think some minor rumors are a minimal repercussion of this action, with which we acquired valuable world knowledge And worked on our relationship with our soon-to-be replacement master
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>>3497403
Any HGW-enabled mage worth their salt has familiars all over the place. A strangely European-looking, pale-haired, armored man has already slept on the roof of the Shijou household, so anyone watching has probably already guessed that there's a servant about.

>>3497414
It serves as a good wind-down after an action-packed episode, but I feel like it wouldn't be great at keeping the tension from cliffhangers high.
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>>3497011
I forgot to ask this earlier, but is Rushorou left-handed?
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With the knowledge of us possibly being burned before the War even begins, I suggest we wait for her.
>>3497442
The scabbard is to his left.
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No, seriously. With >>3497402,
>>3497403 and >>3497435 in mind, there is NO good reason to leave her alone.
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>>3497444
So it is. Huh. I forgot about that rather easily.
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>>3497435
I feel like you guys are forgetting that we have to protect our master. If he dies, then we die. Or we get trapped in the fucking grail or whatever. I'm not even sure how that would work as a pseudo-servant.
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>>3497454
Hey now, my vote is still for returning. I'm just pointing out that not escorting Ayaka in the first place wouldn't have been much help in keeping her safe.
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>>3497442
Rushorou is right-handed.
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>>3497052
Nah he is a shit magi, if so he would have gone "Only 1000? Weak ass magic."
>>3497304
>Go back to the manor
Lets not wait forever for classes to end.

Also lets pick her up because we need to have a good word with her calling us Saber. I say we need to come up with a last name like Saiba or something to cover our tracks in case there was another master in ear shot.
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>>3497435
>I feel like it wouldn't be great at keeping the tension from cliffhangers high.
Cliffhangers, huh? Have I done very many of those?
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>>3497489
>last name like Saiba
I don't think this'll cover it, anon.
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>>3497304
>[ ] Look around the area. See if anything's changed. (Curiosity)
Can't wait for Ayaka to summon another Saber. Girls named Ayaka attract Sabers like nobodies business.
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You decide to head back to the manor before anyone else sees you. The commotion you've raised already was bad enough, after all. At this point, you feel you've calmed down enough to return and discuss the upcoming war with Vaisset. Retracing your steps to the mansion, you finally place this neighborhood. It's in the direct opposite direction of your own home from the school, situated at the top of a hill that Kyoutenkan Academy is halfway up. Of course you've never been here; it being a purely residential neighborhood for some of Tokyo's wealthiest families, you never had a reason to walk through it despite the place's proximity to your home.

Other than your discovery of location, the walk back to the Shijou manor is uneventful. You climb the hill, enjoying the wan sunlight of the clear winter morning and admiring the homes and gardens you pass. You don't see anyone on the street, and it isn't long before you've arrived. Pushing open the front door, you reach out to Vaisset through the Master-Servant mental link, sending off, 'Mr. Vaisset, are you in your basement workshop? I'd like to discuss plans for the War, if you're ready.'

Vaisset's response is the telepathic equivalent of an irritated shout. 'Of course I'm ready to discuss the War! What else would there be? Where were you all morning, anyway, Saber? I thought you'd be waiting it my workshop.'

You explain yourself as you make your way down to the basement. 'I escorted your sister to school this morning. She'd told me you were worried about her, so it seemed the natural thing to do.'

Vaisset's irritation quickly fades at the news, and he looks up with a smile when you enter his workshop. "Ah, Saber. There you are! Thank you for looking after Ayaka. I've been quite worried one of the other Masters might target her, especially since she was the first choice for our family's Master. Would you mind escorting her home as well?"

"Not at all," you say, but don't have time to get anothe word out before Vaisset is speaking again.

"And I see she's found you some modern clothing to blend in, lovely! That's one of my father's suits, isn't it? A bit small for you, we'll have to have it fitted properly. Perhaps tomorrow..." As he trails off, considering his tailor's schedule, you prompt, "What about the plans for the war, Mr. Vaisset?"

"Yes, of course," he says, attention coming back to you. "I became sidetracked for a moment there. As for the war, well, I have to admit that I am a research magus first and foremost. I won't flatter myself that I can swiftly plan a winning strategy. The only reason I'm fighting is because the Shijou line governs the leyline conflux here in Tokyo, and so must have a representative in the War. From your story, you have far more experience with this than I do. Do you have any questions or suggestions for me?"

>[ ] Write in all questions and prospective plans for the Holy Grail War. With one victory under your belt, you should have some ideas.
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I'm thinking of opening up player freedom a bit more in Fate/Awakening Mirror compared to Fate/City Akeldama. VN-style choices will still be there for most things, of course, but with you now playing as a Servant, I feel it may be more thematically appropriate for you to write in your combat strategies and War intentions from time to time. What do you think, folks? Would this be a good change, or would you rather stick with doing things the way I have been up until now?
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>>3497667
Let's see if he has any useful info.
Does he know of or have a suspicion of any masters?
If we are the second to last and a caster (was his first servant) does he have an idea of the last servant opening to be filled?
Will he be able to kill a human? (Super important to know this one as it directly affects how we will fight this war.)
What defences are in place currently, and can he improve upon them.
Is he open to alliances with other masters?
What magic can he actually cast?


More personal question I want to see him answer is how does he fell about killing 1050 innocent people?
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>>3497669
I like that idea, the only problem that might arise is a deadlock tie on ideas of various tactics that other anons might want to use.
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>>3497667
mostly this>>3497681 and add in what is his wish?
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>>3497689
Oh his wish, good point. Also with the mostly what questions do you want to not ask?
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>>3497669
That seems fine to me
>>3497667
>" I suggest finding another magus to create a temporary alliance with, in the Akeldama the masters that refused to ally with each other were the ones that were picked off and killed. An alliance with a noble enough Master should at least ensure your and Ayaka's safety for long enough to leave the city in the unlikely situation that I am defeated. I saw the Rider of the Akeldama war tear though the Master candidates after all. The last thing you want is to be alone facing a monster like a Servant, trust me."
>"In life I used every advantage available to me to get ahead of my enemies. I understand that technology has advanced much in these past few centuries, have you considered using it to get an edge? In the Akeldama, one of the less magically inclined Master Candidates told me of a vast bank of information known as "the internet" which requires a "computer" to access. With such a vast quantity of information available, discerning the identity of enemy servants would be far easier than using a library. If he is to be believed however, it even holds records for nearly every aspect of life in this era including travel details and addresses!"
>"Do you want me to fight with honor or would you prefer I use deception or trickery to defeat our adversaries? I am capable of both. There are some enemies or goals that require you to discard the your chivalry to stand a chance of victory, you wouldn't challenge a Berserker or an Assassin and offer them a fair duel, would you?"
>>3497681
Basically these.
I'd be OK with Vaisset if he authorised Akeldama in order to protect his sister. Though we should warn him that triggering such an indiscriminate ritual targeting Master Candidates could very well have taken Ayaka or somebody she knows and they would've just disappeared forever instantly, never to be seen again. It's also possible that it targeted high ranking magi, so he might have made a few powerful enemies outside of the war.
Also we can say shit like "In life I was temporarily under the tutelage of a Goddess of Magic. Unfortunately, the magical knowledge I gained cannot be used by a Saber." Just to confuse him as to why we aren't immensely famous.
Also ask him what his wish actually is.
>inb4 root
GIVE ME MY LAPTOP VAISSET.
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>>3497667
Oh another thing I want to ask him is
>"Tell me Master, you said your sister was the first choice for your family's Master correct? So what would you do if she, on the off chance, were to summon a servant?"
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>that immediate change in demeanor
Seems like he's not in it for the Grail. That's something we can commend, at least.
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>>3497667
>I will start off with a most essential element to victory, based on vague memories from my life and the Akeldama grail war: alliance. Servants, being superhuman combat machines, can tend to be quite evenly matched in their first few engagements. But two servants can very easily overwhelm one, barring the berserker.
>You say you are a research magus, but do you truly lack any form powerful combat magicks? Oftentimes the best use of a servant is to hold up another servant, allowing a master to slay the other master. Of course, if this is no advantage for us then we must leave that on the table.
>A necessity in any avenue of life is information- can you produce any form of familiar or such with which to scout the field? Knowing where and what our enemies are can be the difference between life and death.
>What other probable master-magi are in the area? Better to know who to target early.
>I would advise preparing escape routes or some sort of well-warded inner sanctum within your own home, should the worst happen.
>What are the quality and quantity of you and your sister’s magical circuits? It is possible to wrest control of a servant from another master, but we must have a vacancy on hand capable of supporting the servant.

>>3497669
It would be a fine idea, but I would advise editing whatever ideas pass through the Mind’s Eye (true) C filter, because anons are always bad at being cunning in planning.
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>>3497754
Alternative speech:
>From what I remember of the Aleldama Grail War, the most important thing was to work with another Servant. One Servant can match another, but not two.
>Also, even though you're a "research magus", surely you have some offensive Magecraft? I don't think you would be defenceless. I'm well-suited to holding up the enemy Servant, so you could go and kill the Master while I'm fighting.
>Also, something I always wanted was information about my enemies -- if you have any way of spying at them from here, it would help us immensely.
>Finally, there is the option of having Ayaka make a contract with a Servant after the Master is killed. Only if you think she can handle the strain, of course.
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>>3497772
>Also, something
Make this "Furthermore, something"
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>>3497667
What does he know of the other masters? Who are they, what can they do, and are there any we could work with?
Does he know anything of the other servants? What do they look like? Any battles so far? Who has yet to be summoned?
Archer wouldn't happen to be a western gunslinger, would he?
What can he tell us about the overseer? The last one we dealt with turned out to be Judas, so let's not take any chances with this one.
What sort of defenses is this house equipped with?
What sort of intelligence network does he have? The more we know about our enemies and their movements, the more effectively we can strike them down. If he doesn't have a good network yet, start setting one up immediately.
What kind of magic does he use?
How does he prefer to approach combat?

>>3497754
We should probably avoid any suggestion that his sister take part in the war. The fact that he calmed down when we mentioned we were guarding her suggests that he may have legitimately not wanted her to get involved, magi though he may be.
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>finally have time to make some suggestions
>they're all already done
Fuck.

>>3497819
Yeah, I agree with keeping his sister out of the War for now. Maybe suggest a failsafe after we gain his trust.
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>>3497828
If Jean really does just want to avoid his sister being hurt, he'd probably prefer that we run out of mana and fade away after his death if the alternative is getting his precious sister wrapped up in the grail war.
Ayaka may not agree, but we don't know her well enough to say for sure.
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>>3497844
So the solution is to get both of their Relationships high. Got it.
Let's be honest, if we conspire to get Jean killed then there's no way Ayaka's gonna take us in.
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>>3497847
Depends on how she takes the revelation of the fact that he killed 1000 people.
There are now about a thousand extra missing person reports filed on the same day, if she wants proof, many of them merely normal people.
Including the Student Council president of her school (who she somehow recognised as us??? (Maybe she's our stalker?)) And multiple other highschoolers and likely children too.
I miss Caster and Berserker.
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>>3497856
That’s a thousand people from all over the world though.
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>>3497856
To be fair, he had Judas do it without being aware of the possible consequences, like how he had a 0.000012987012987012988% chance to drag Ayaka into the War anyway. Maybe we should drill that in here, perhaps after we're done asking our questions. Also, citing missing persons reports wouldn't really work unless it was 1000 people from Japan, like >>3497857 said.
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>>3497857
>>3497859
I get the feeling that she's going to notice that her student council president has mysteriously gone missing, and that the same night he disappeared, a Saber who looks suspiciously similar (as far as she's concerned, anyway) showed up in her brother's house. She's probably going to ask questions. Perhaps not today, but in a few days when it's clear that Yumigawa Rushorou isn't around anymore but Saber is I get the feeling she'll notice. What we tell her when she inquires and how she reacts will tell us a lot about who she is.
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>>3497862
I honestly can’t wait for the inevitable Rushorou reveal moment, because hot damn will that be some delicous prideful boasting.
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>>3497857
4 of the 7 humans we met were Japanese
5 of 8 including Yumi.
It's possible that the bootleg grail prioritized Japanese in it's selection, being based on a Japanese war.
>>3497859
Odds are probably higher that Ayaka would be picked. Not everyone has magic circuits or the ability to be a Master at all.
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>>3497864
>Not everyone has magic circuits or the ability to be a Master at all.
Fuck, you're right. We could say that the percentage was without taking the prerequisites for being a Master into account.
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>>3497864
I mean, the grail was what really enabled Rushorou’s mastership.

Also, 1000th poast soon
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>>3497862
>my kaichou is now a fucking servant, the strongest class to boot
>this happened because nii-san's caster held a grail war inside the grail war, and killed 1000 people without nii-san knowing till kaichou came out
>also he's a hottie now
>mfw
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>>3497867
I assume Rushorou always had some circuits, like the other candidates.
The silver grail just turned him into the perfect master.
>>3497868
It's gonna be a riot when we tell her.
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>>3497868
>if Nii-san hadn't taken my command spells, I would own my superpowered hot kaichou right now
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I can't wait to meet True Saber.
I do wonder who it might be.
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>>3497868
Also, without explaining the actual structure of the war itself it seems like Rushorou bested all those people and servants himself...
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>>3497884
I mean, he kinda did. I'm pretty sure he has the highest war-related (that is, not counting Rider's murder spree) kill count of anybody in the Akeldama.
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>>3497887
The difference between “1000 people and 9 servants went in, I came out” and “I defeated the majority of the other masters and a servant or two” is somewhat substantial to me. Not to downplay the perfect performance of the Kaichou at all.
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>>3497877
Eh, it's unlikely that she would've been as impulsive as Jean so as to use Akeldama.
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>>3497903
To be fair, what was Judas gonna be able to do to win a grail war without empowering himself with the Akeldama? It was really the only option.
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>>3497906
>>3497906
>Strength: E
>Endurance: E
>Agility: D
>Magical Energy: C
>Luck: B
Look and laugh at the betrayer
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>>3497903
>>3497906
It's also possible that Ayaka's summoning wouldn't have gone "haywire" in whatever way Jean's did.
We might want to ask about that, actually...
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You know, I wonder what our Command Spells look like.
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>Judas was purposely limiting the quality of servants in his war by not giving anybody 3 Golden coins.
>now we get to experience a grail war in all it's bullshittery.
Uh oh.
At least we can LARP as a Knight.
And scare 5th war participants with our white hair and spooky cloak.
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>>3497928
Probably like this (in the corner). Which reminds me, I need to make a banner for Awakening Mirror. Maybe after I sleep
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I shouldn't compose in my head. Now I want to sit down and write this scene but can't, because I have shit to do.
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>>3497966
>forgot the banner
Damn, I need to sleep
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>>3497909
>Caster
>Magical Energy: C
What a loser.
>>3497918
Maybe he did a Rin and stood in his own summoning circle for some reason and fucked it up.
>>3497928
This is also something that I woluld like to know as well.
Anyway, the good news if this is a HF route is that we won't need to deal with EMIYA.
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>>3497970
Those are the command spells we had for Circe, anon.
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>>3497974
"Probably something like", not "exactly the same down to the atomic scale".
>They look like a fusion of Circe's and Adelheid's becauae that IS Circe and Adelheid
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>>3497970
Those command spells are tied to Circe specifically. You haven't seen them yet, but the shape of Vaisset's command spells pertains to you, Saber.
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>>3497979
End your foolishness before I am forced to end you. That theory doesn't even make sense.
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1000th for DIOposting
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>>3497988
Or does it make perfect sense?
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>>3497991
Anon, that was the 960th post.
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>>3497994
It makes zero sense unless we're also a fusion of the other survivors too.
There is zero evidence to support the theory.
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>inb4 Circe realized what was happening and had her and Adelheid give us their energy
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>>3498000
Nah. Circe has made her intentions very clear. She wouldn't do that.
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>>3497996
You misinderstand, Sweets.

That is not a declaration, it is a call to arms.
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>>3497997
I mean, none of the other survivors were bonded to us like they were. The humies were independent and had their own existences; our Servants depended on us to anchor them. The contract could have very well been used by Akeldama.
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>>3498007
I think you're severely overestimating the connection that a servant contract creates between a master and a servant. A servant doesn't depend on its master for existence so much as food.
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>>3498007
There wouldn't be much point considering Akeldama would already be full of 1000+ worth of people and 7 Servants worth of energy.
Also our 126 magic circuits have to have gone somewhere.
Circe wouldn't cuck herself out of her own wish for no real reason.
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>>3497819
>>3497772
>>3497754
>>3497718
>>3497702
>>3497681
So, several different write-in options. Want to try and form a consensus question set, or shall I synthesize them?
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>>3498015
Synthesize, most are similar anyway.
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>>3498015
Masters
Servants
What happened to the ritual
Ask him if he knew that Ayaka could've gotten caught up in Akeldama, thus rendering his attempt to protect her moot
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>>3498012
It's one possibility.

There's really no point in debating this without anything to work with except the notion that they went back to "where they came from" -- which means either the Throne of Heroes or Aeaea/Germany -- or may have been absorbed.
>>3498014
>Also our 126 magic circuits have to have gone somewhere.
>>Magic: B
>Circe wouldn't cuck herself out of her own wish for no real reason.
We have no idea what she has or could have done to counter it on the spot.
>>3498015
>[ ] Synthesize
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>>3498015
Synthesize, except for the question of having Ayaka participate. Maybe save that for later.
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>>3498021
Anon, consider Magic: B from just being slapped with a shit ton of magical energy.
Also if we had our magic circuits still we wouldn't need to rely on our master as we could use our own magical energy.
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>>3498015
Synthesize them, but cut out the suggestion that Ayaka should participate in the war.
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>>3498033
Servants do have circuits, and they do gain magical energy from them. It's just that a servant's upkeep cost is intense as hell.
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>>3498015
Synthesize, I don’t have a problem with any anon’s other questions
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>>3498053
Even more of an argument in my favour actually.
At the end of the war Judas told us that we had fucked with the grail connection.
We were supporting two fucking Servants with no grail support.
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>>3498062
Also I just really like the idea of a Circe and Adelheid road trip to Japan.
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Should be fun to see his face when he ironically almost failed at the one reason he participated in the first place.
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Reposting an old one but a good one now that Rushorou has a physique to match Jonathan/Dio.
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Wasn't it supposed to be Matsuda's big fight today?
We should see if his school is in Tokyo and pop in to see how he gets on if we can.
If only just to warn him that the bullshit grail war hasn't stopped yet
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>>3498248
>DIO is 6'5"
Jesus Christ.
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>>3498251
It is? Huh.
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>>3498267
Yeah he was preparing for it when we all got zapped into Akeldama.
He's had ten extra days of prep too.
I would like to see him fight seriously, even if defeating him now would be childs play.
I'd also like to hear his version of events from the end of Akeldama.
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>>3498253
Bahsaka RUSHOROU when?
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>>3498300
Master: ???
True Name: RUSHOROU
Sex: Male
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 100KG
Alignment: Mad Evil

Strength: A
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Magical Energy: A
Luck: A
Noble Phantasm: C

Class Abilities:
Madness Enhancement: A
Receiving the enhanced abilities of the Berserker class, RUSHOROU’s mind save his immense pride is burned away by the greatest high.
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>>3498328
Those seem a little high. Also our boy has never gone berserk.
He's had small bouts of anger before quickly regaining control.
He's usually very level headed.
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>>3498335
According to that stat sheet, he received the full madness enhancement in exchange for most of his mental faculties.
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Who do you think we should get in contact with first?
Ogawara?
Matsuda?
Kikuko?
Truvi (nightmare mode)?
Our parents (lol)?
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Good lord, this update. I feel like I'm writing the walking in circles scene from Fate/Zero.
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>>3498418
Yikes
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>>3498418
I actually quite like that scene. It does a good job of visually setting up the dynamic between the characters, even though it (like the rest of the episode) is an exposition dump.
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>>3498451
It's a great scene, I'm just poking fun at how long and expository this conversation is becoming.
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>>3498455
You can't have Fate without a solid wall of exposition.
Preferably given by a cute girl.
Usually given by asshole priests.
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>>3498473
And this time given by an asshole magus!
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"Questions or suggestions, hmm?" You consider the matter for a moment before bringing up the point that's been nagging at you. "There is one question that's been on my mind this morning," you begin. "Your sister mentioned that there was 'only one more Servant to be summoned' after myself, but in the Akeldama all of the Servants were summoned at once. How does the process differ here? Are you already aware of the other Masters and their Servants?"

"How interesting," Vaisset muses, tapping his chin. "You were all summoned at once, were you? I suppose Caster must have been handling everything himself, then. Well, in any case it is a bit different here. Each of the seven Masters must conduct his own ritual to summon a Servant, some time between when the Grail is first ready to facilitate summoning and the final deadline, 33 days after the command spells appear. The Grail War begins when all seven Servants have been summoned, naturally."

"I see. That is indeed quite different from my experience in the Akeldama. You haven't explained, however, the source of your information regarding the Servants still to be summoned."

Vaisset gives you a sheepish grin. "Of course, of course, I do tend to ramble. As for that, there are three parties with a knowledge of the state of the Holy Grail, including how many Servants have been summoned and of which class. The first party is its creators, the Einzbern clan. They, of course, are the principal orchestrators of this ritual. You might call them the showrunners, in fact." He lets out a dry chuckle, and continues, "Then there is my own family, the Shijou; ah, my mother was the inheritor of that line, if you're wondering about the name. The Shijou house holds ancestral dominion over the magical domain in Tokyo, and since the Grail is summoned from the land, we are rather deeply connected as well. Previously the Makiri were heavily involved in arranging the Holy Grail War as well, but that line has become defunct. Finally, there's the overseer dispatched by the Holy Church, Father Antaglio. As the arbitrator of the war, he holds the most complete knowledge of events."

"If I'm understanding you correctly," you say, "the Holy Grail is powered by the energy of your land, and because it facilitates our summoning, this connection through the land enables you to determine the nature of the Servants brought forth?"

"Hehehe," another chuckle from Vaisset. "Not to determine the nature, no. I wouldn't have had to ask for your True Name, if that were the case. I can tell from quantity and flow of the Grail's energy how many Servants have been summoned, and of what class, but no more. To answer your next question, Rider is the Servant that has yet to make his appearance."
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"That tells us little," you mutter irritably. "From the premise of the War, we already know that all seven Servants will appear in time. Your detection may have been useful for determining who you still had the chance to summon, but at this point it's strategically worthless."

"In any case, perhaps your personal knowledge can serve us more ably than your insight into the Grail," you continue. "You've mentioned the House of Einzbern already. If they are the creators of the Holy Grail War, I suppose they will be sending a champion to fight. What can you tell me about him? What about this Father Antaglio, will he be a Master as well?"

"Father Antaglio?" Vaisset appears shocked by the idea. "Oh no, he's purely an overseer. The Father has been sent by the Holy Church to arbitrate the War; to facilitate damage control, help to ensure that the Holy Grail War remains a secret, and provide a sanctuary for Masters who have lost their Servants. Antaglio himself has none. As for the Einzberns, I know they've sent one of their magi to Tokyo as a Master, but the representative has refused to meet me. I don't know the first thing about the person, I'm afraid."

You fix Vaisset with a disappointed gaze and wait. Surely he must know something useful about the enemy Masters. The magus completely ignores your glare, however, as he continues to speak. "Ah, but I do have some information for you. From my contacts in London, I found out a week ago that there are two magi here on official orders from the Clock Tower: William Harris and Giuliano di Lumenza." No sooner has he brought forth some useful information then he dismisses it, saying with a shrug, "Of course, anyone would know about Harris; he's a Sealing Designation Enforcer here to make sure the Grail is brought back to the Tower, and well-known for his brutal methods. Some in London have even taken to calling him the 'Second Magus Killer,' though he hasn't surpassed old Emiya's record yet." Then Vaisset breaks into a conspiratorial grin as he continues, "Lumenza, though, was kept quiet. Supposed to be entering the war on his own authority, and with plenty of precautions taken to hide even that. The truth is, he's a proxy for Lady Barthomeloi, the Queen of the Clocktower herself. He's a fire-user, a magic gunner, and very dangerous; one of the elites in her brigade."

"I see. I suppose, then, that you'd consider those two as the highest priority enemies?"

"The Einzbern magus is an unknown quantity," Vaisset says, "but I think it's safe to say we'll have a hard time turning up more dangerous Masters than Harris and Lumenza. Of course, there are plenty of candidates. Just here in Tokyo, there are sixteen active lines of Magi within the jurisdiction of the Shijou. Formally they should have reported to me if they'd joined the Grail War, but that isn't much of a guarantee they haven't."
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1001 for KIRAPOSTING

My name is Yumigawa Rushorou. I'm 18 years old. My former house is on the opposite side of where all the mansions are, and I am not married. I worked as the Kaichou of Kyoutenkan Academy, and I got home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, and I’m too young to drink. I was in bed by 11 PM, and I made sure that I got eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually had no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I woke up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who used to have a very quiet life. I now choose to trouble myself by destroying my enemies, winning great battles, and I often lose sleep at night. This is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. And, if and when I decide to fight, I couldn’t lose to anyone.
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"Fascinating," you reply. "In that case, I would suggest that our first priority be to find another Master with whom we can create a temporary alliance. Even disregarding the danger posed by these professional magi, from my experience in the Akeldama I would deem it a necessity. In that War, those Masters who remained alone were the first to fall. Servants are potent fighters, but the nature of the War often leaves them evenly matched in one-on-one combat. When two Servants fight against one, however, the matter is quickly decided. In this free-for-all contest, the ability to make alliances is a greater asset than a powerful Servant or potent magic."

"That certainly sounds prudent," Vaisset says, "but-"

Not finished talking, you override him. "To that end," you continue, "I would like to inquire about your information network, Mr. Vaisset. A clear view of the city will be essential in battle as well as diplomacy. Can you produce any sort of familiar capable of thorough reconnaissance?"

"Do let me speak, Saber," Vaisset chides. "But yes, I can indeed. Observe." At his word, the magic crest on his arm comes into life, and the air about it swirls and condenses. After a few moments, a tiny, transparent finch stands on his palm. It seems to be composed of rushing air, pressed into form by the magic. As you watch, it flaps its wings and lets out a hollow-sounding chirp. "This is a wind-based familiar, I have a number of them around the city, mixed in with the real birds and gathering information," Vaisset says. "I haven't caught sight of any enemy Masters yet, but the capability is certainly there. Now, as I was saying, you shouldn't be too eager to trust the enemy Masters. I can understand a knight like yourself seeking allies and honorable duels, but everyone in this War has come seeking the omnipotent power of the Holy Grail for himself. I very much doubt any Master can be relied on to uphold a partnership."

"One needn't trust an ally of convenience, Mr. Vaisset," you say with a smirk. "One shouldn't assume every knight is King Arthur, either. We are only men with swords, Mr. Vaisset, as prone to evil as any other men. Since we are on the subject, how would you like me to fight? I am capable of either chivalry or deception, according to your preference."

Provoked by your condescending attitude, Vaisset's expression darkens and his tone becomes dismissive. "Saber, It doesn't mean a thing to me how you judge your actions. Whether you consider it honorable or otherwise, what I want from you is whatever method most effectively dispatches the enemy and keeps Ayaka and I safe. Now do you have any more questions?"
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"I do, in fact," you say, dragging out the situation half for the pleasure of frustrating the magus. "You've told me that you focus on research, but do you truly lack any capacity for magical combat? Often the best use for a Servant is to occupy another Servant while combat between the Masters truly settles the affair. Of course, if you cannot fight..."

"Be silent," Vaisset snaps! The he sighs, and modulates his tone. "Excuse me, that was uncalled for. I am proficient in a wide range of combat-oriented mysteries utilizing wind. The Vaisset lineage has for centuries held magical dueling as its primary focus, and my lineal crest holds those tools. While I doubt whether I could match Harris or Lumenza, I am hardly incapable; my emphasis on research is a matter of choice. I abhor violence, Saber, and if possible would like to avoid the necessity of killing the enemy myself." With those words, spoken softly, Vaisset turns away from you and sits down at his worktable, beginning the inscription of a magic circle on a plate of what seems to be lead. "You are dismissed, Saber. Guard the manor for the time being; I'll call for you again when I have need of you."

There were still a few more details you'd hoped to ask about, but you decide they're not worth picking a fight over. Leaving Vaisset to his arcane work, you turn and ascend the stairs out of the basement. As you walk out into the manor's front hall, you're surprised to discover that you and Vaisset were talking right into the afternoon! Classes at Kyoutenkan will be over soon, but you have an hour or so before then. More, if Ayaka decides to stay for a club or to study.

>[ ] Go to the high school early to be sure you can collect Ayaka immediately when her classes end. (Compassion)

>[ ] Stand guard outside the manor until it's absolutely time to leave, as instructed. (Duty)

>[ ] Look around the neighborhood some more. If you remember correctly, there should be a shopping district near here... (Pride/Curiosity)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3498611
>[ ] Go to the high school early to be sure you can collect Ayaka immediately when her classes end. (Compassion)
Kinda interested in what the shopping district includes.
Also
>they set up this grail war
Well then. Looks like Jeanny boy is gonna have to die.
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>>3498619
I should have specified that I don't want to totally ignore orders for now.
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>>3498473
>solid wall of exposition.
There you go.
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>>3498611
>[ ] Go to the high school early to be sure you can collect Ayaka immediately when her classes end. (Compassion)
Don't know when Rider will be getting here.
Also:
>Second Magus Killer
>Barthomeloi proxy

Shit.
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>>3498624
Thank you.
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>>3498611
>[ ] Stand guard outside the manor until it's absolutely time to leave, as instructed. (Duty)
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>>3498634
Magus Killers are only a problem when you don't expect people to throw grenades at your Master and aren't familiar with the concept of the sniper rifle.
That being said it might be an idea to have our Master relocate to a safehouse and have Ayaka take a few days off from school.
The house our Master is currently staying at is waaay too big a target.
Ayaka is liable to be kidnapped and used against us. (The ol' kill your servant or we kill you/herb, then they kill them anyway.)
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>>3498611
>[ ] Go to the high school early to be sure you can collect Ayaka immediately when her classes end. (Compassion)

>Second Magus Killer
>No more Caster, so we can't surprise him with internally accelerating grenade knives
Damn. Even he would have been caught of guard by something so nonsensical, perhaps even more so since he'd be so fixed on what knives are supposed to be able to do.

>>3498634
I'd be just as concerned about the Einzberns. The Einzberns are cheaters and always pull something sleazy. Always.
But, well, we sort of knew they were going to be involved, whereas Kerry Dos and the Bartholomei proxy were unexpected wrinkles.
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You know, I'm surprised you folks aren't more curious about how this Grail War got started in the first place. I thought that'd be the first thing you'd want to ask Vaisset, to be honest.
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>>3498754
The cause is irrelevant- the world only remembers the results!
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>>3498754
I just assumed that magi didn't learn their lesson - surprise! - and are still trying to get a Holy Grail War to work.

Maybe we can ask later when we talk to him again.
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>>3498611
>[ ] Stand guard outside the manor until it's absolutely time to leave, as instructed. (Duty)
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>Rushorou the servant being a condescending prick to Vaisset, the magus prick
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>>3498823
But perhaps he needs to turn it down a smidge. Wound an ego too much and, well, you know.
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So any bets for our competition?
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>>3498844
The Golden Jobber
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By all means, speculate! After the Akeldama war you should have an idea of my tastes, after all.
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>>3498867
>you should have an idea of my tastes, after all.
I swear, Sweets, if there is another rootin', tootin', cowboy...
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>>3498875
>inb4 Ned Kelly for real this time
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>>3498867
>Meds
>Christian Figures
>Lawless Legends of the Americas
>Good Loser
>Evil Wildcard

>Rushorou is the evil wildcard
>Gib Constantine
>Gib Jason
>Gib Peter
>Gib Jesse James
>Idk, some LG pretty boy
>Pls gib Bounaparte so we can kill him
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Okay, speculation time. I fully expect to see two particular kinds of servants in addition to whatever others Sweets has thrown in.
First, Servants who technically already exist within the Fate universe, but whose Servant form Sweets takes issue with. Examples include Robin Hood, Blackbeard, and Circe.
Second, unusual Servants that the main franchise would never touch on for legal or PR reasons. Archer was a movie character and Berserker was literally Hitler-chan.
I don't completely expect to see one of this kind, but potentially third is a Roman servant. It could simply not be the case since Judas is no longer involved, but since it was Sweets' self-proclaimed starting point for learning history, I assume he has some attachment to it.

On a side note, Sweets, you fucked up the Status Screen for Akeldama Assassin. The screen that should belong to Robin Hood has been replaced with the filled-out stat sheet of Longinus.

On another side note, Sweets, City Akeldama has an apparent plot hole that I'd like addressed if possible.
Judas said that there was no actual Holy Grail in Akeldama, but from what I see that results in two odd contradictions.
First, Judas and Circe said that a Grail is needed to sustain Servants because it amplifies a master's mana and that's why stealing Assassin wouldn't be of any use. But there was no grail in Akeldama, so how were any of the servants sustained?
Second, you need to tempt Heroic Spirits into being summoned with the promise of getting a wish. From what I understand, that promise can be made in FSN because it's technically not a lie despite being bullshit thanks to the nature of the Grail. But again, Akeldama had no Holy Grail. How were any of the Heroic Spirits actually summoned into the Akeldama to begin with?
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>>3498904
>Judas said that there was no actual Holy Grail in Akeldama, but from what I see that results in two odd contradictions.
There was no real Holy Grail in the sense of a Grail that could grant a wish for the real world. There was a simulated Holy Grail, a modified replica of the Fuyuki ritual, within the Akeldama.
>First, Judas and Circe said that a Grail is needed to sustain Servants because it amplifies a master's mana and that's why stealing Assassin wouldn't be of any use. But there was no grail in Akeldama, so how were any of the servants sustained?
Basically answered above. Akeldama Servants were supported within that world by its Grail, but once it collapsed they would lose that support.
>Second, you need to tempt Heroic Spirits into being summoned with the promise of getting a wish. From what I understand, that promise can be made in FSN because it's technically not a lie despite being bullshit thanks to the nature of the Grail. But again, Akeldama had no Holy Grail. How were any of the Heroic Spirits actually summoned into the Akeldama to begin with?
Again, this relies on the nature of Akeldama as a self-contained world. Since Judas held complete power over it, he could grant any wish inside the universe of Akeldama. From the perspective of reality, Akeldama is a pocket universe, but from the perspective of the Throne of Heroes it's no more cut off than any other timeline or point in time is from the Throne. Thus the Heroic Spirits could be tricked into manifesting.
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>>3498917
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
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You don't have much to do here at the manor, and if one of the siblings is attacked Ayaka will be in more danger than her brother. That in mind, you decide to walk back to Kyoutenkan and wait for her there. As you go, however, you notice something odd. About halfway to the school, a limousine turns onto the road a short distance behind you and drives on by, easing down the road. This is a wealthy neighborhood, certainly, but a limousine strikes you as a rather strange car for daily use all the same; all the more so since it's there are so few cars driving in this quiet neighborhood.

You finish the walk to Kyoutenkan Academy with no other unusual happenings, though. As you expected, the gate is shut and classes remain in session. In fact, as you scan the second-floor windows you can make out Ayaka's face, studiously attentive. How convenient, for her to have a window seat. Taking up a position by the front gate, you resolve to stand waiting for classes to end. It's an odd feeling, waiting outside your own school as a representative of the adult world. Though you were a student just a short time ago, that chapter of your life has been cleanly severed; cut off before its natural end. Your perfect attendance record, you muse, is being irrevocably broken right now. And what happened to the others? Did they make it back to their respective classrooms? Can they study, after the brutal events of the Akeldama Grail War?

You're shocked out of your musings by the sudden sight of the limousine again; it's the same one that passed you earlier, you're sure of it. Now, though, it's coming once again down the same road you'd walked. As if it had been behind you all along. As you watch, it cruises slowly along the length of the school, passing by you across the road, and then makes another turn and leaves your vision. Once again, it was the only car on the road.

After another half-hour of inaction, the mysterious limousine appears once again. Again, it's coming from the direction of the manor; again the only car on the road; again driving quite slowly, barely above a walking pace. This time, you check the license plate and confirm, it really is the same vehicle. The driver must be doing circuits, but why? Despite sensing no mystic energy from the car, an strange chill settles over you as you watch it pass for the third time. Something about the silent way it moves, the perfect condition, and the reappearance from behind your course fills you with an irrational dread; a nameless unease that refuses to leave.

>[ ] Go after the car. (Pride/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)

>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
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>>3499026
>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)
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>>3499026
>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)
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>>3499026
>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)
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>>3499026
>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)
Nobody said it would be just servants putting Ayaka in danger. Plenty of magi have money and connections, and plenty have few if any morals morals.
And if there IS a servant in there, well... there's only one it could be, and it already knows what we are and that it can't take us in a straight fight.
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>>3499080
To me, this reads like an argument for going after the car.
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>>3499026
>Go after the car
Its obviously for us so lets just introduce ourselves, threateningly.
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>>3499026
Nevermind about >>3499084
I change it to >Stay at the gate

but lets keep on guard for that car.
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>>3499083
Going after the car means leaving Ayaka alone. We can't detect the enemy, meaning they're either not a servant or Assassin, and as such we have no idea how many there are or where they are. To go after the car means exposing Ayaka to any potential threats that are not the car. Jean made it very clear that priority number one should be ensuring his and his sister's safety. We might not get along too well, but at the very least it's an order I can get behind.
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>>3499026
>[ ] Stay at the gate, waiting for Ayaka. (Duty)
That car's probably Assassin?
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Regardless of the discomfort the strange vehicle instills in you, you're a Servant now, and resolve to behave like one. You remain quite still, following the car only with your eyes as it once more slides out of view. As you wait, it circles once more, before finally stopping in front of you, across the road. A window, tinted heavily enough to be opaque, opens just widely enough to allow a paper bird through. The bird floats up into the air, giving a few uncertain flaps before gliding down to land on your shoulder. Before it can land on you, you grab it out of the air, feeling the magic in it fade as you do so.

In your hand, the paper that made up the familiar slowly unfolds, smoothing itself out with the last of the energy stored within. It's something like a greeting card: a small square of thick, expensive off-white stationary, and writing in an elegant script, still slightly wet, occupies the center.

How did you escape?

As you look up furiously, the limousine accelerates, vanishing this time around the opposite turn. Before you can make up your mind whether or not to follow it, Kyoutenkan's bell rings, signaling the end of the school day. As excited students begin pouring out into the schoolyard, you stuff the card into your pocket. Whatever the sender wants with you, it's plainly nothing to do with Ayaka.

It isn't long before Vaisset's sister makes her exit from the school building, surrounded once again by gossiping classmates. Even from across the yard you can hear that they're pestering her with the same kind of questions as this morning. Where you're from, what danger she's in to need a bodyguard, what she thinks of you, your last name, and so-on. The poor girl looks tired to death of the questions, and wears a thoroughly gloomy expression. "Good afternoon, Saber-san," she says as she reaches you. "Thank you for coming to escort me home." She makes to leave with that, but her followers quickly haul her back, pressing for more information.

One girl grabs Ayaka by the shoulder, saying, "Hang on, Aya-chan, what's the rush?"

"Yeah, school's over now! You can tell us all about Saber-san now, right," another insists.

A third girl goes straight for you, asking, "Saber-san, how long have you lived in Japan? Do you like it here?"

>[ ] Invent a story to satisfy the girls, and hopefully anyone else who hears about you.

>[ ] Brush them off and just get Ayaka home.

>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
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>>3499170
>[ ] Invent a story to satisfy the girls, and hopefully anyone else who hears about you.
Pokerface time
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>>3499170
>Invent a story


After that is done there is way more shit we need to figure out.
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>>3499170
>[ ] Invent a story to satisfy the girls, and hopefully anyone else who hears about you.
If we don't take care of this now, Ayaka is going to get pestered all day, every day until we do. May as well take care of it.
Sounds like Jean's summoning of Judas might not have been an accident after all. We should ask about that when we get back.
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>>3499163
>[ ] Invent a story to satisfy the girls, and hopefully anyone else who hears about you.
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>>3499170
>[ ] Invent a story to satisfy the girls, and hopefully anyone else who hears about you.
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Oh, I forgot to mention. Feel free to write in a cover story.
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>>3499316
We come from Germany and we were hired by her brother as a family butler. The red irises are contacts
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>>3499327
>ofw they ask us to speak German
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>>3499333
>we actually speak german because the grail gives us academic knowledge of modern languages
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>>3499316
>Our father is a German Japan-based investor who lost almost everything between some bad investments and divorce proceedings, and he used his remaining funds to pay for a “proper” education for his one and only son. You were trained as a butler overseas and now serve the Shijou family.
Sufficiently “please don’t tell me more”
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>>3499340
Nah, we don't need to go into any real detail. Enemy Masters who aren't the Einzbern will see us, hear the story and conclude that Jean made a deal with the Einzbern family and is passing off a combat homunculus as a Servant for whatever reason.
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>>3499340
Supporting. Should be just enough detail to sate the curiosity of teenage girls.

>>3499343
It's much more about getting the girls to shut up. Masters won't make the mistake of thinking we're a combat homunculus since Servants will figure out that we're a Servant immediately because Servants can sense each other (excepting Assassin).
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>>3499349
Servants can sense each other, and that means no Master is going to send out a Servant for scouting missions (except for Assassin). It'll be familiars doing the scouting.
In that case it's actually plausible that the watcher could make that mistake.
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>>3499376
Anon, your idea is a serious stretch and I just want these girls off of Rushorou’s and Ayaka’s backs w/o talking ourselves into a corner.
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>>3499395
The more detail we get into the worse it'll get if we have to use some element of the lie (such as our dad being an investor).
And Ayaka can get the girls off our back.
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>>3499340
Support
Oh great, the Einzbern saw us and didn't realise we were a Servant.
That's gonna be a fun misunderstanding.
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I'd like to imagine Caster Rushorou would look something like FF2's Emperor.
Being a fellow Anime David Bowie and all.
Unfortunately we don't have enough magical knowledge to fit the class...
Yet.
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>>3499596
What would Caster Yumi's NP do? Other than being a portal to the Imaginary Numbers dimension, of course.
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>>3499606
Who knows?
We don't qualify for Caster yet anyway.
Maybe if we had trained a lot more with Circe we might have.
As it stands though we're out of luck.
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>>3499620
Too bad.
At least we had (and might still have if we can find Circe) the potential to qualify for all the knight classes.
inb4 >Anon, I...
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>>3499631
>Saber
>pulls out a bow
Laughing_EMIYA.png

I legitimately cannot wait for the Einzbern kidnap attempt on us.
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You know, when he said "Rider is the servant yet to make an appearance." Do you think he included us in the "has appeared list" as the war's Saber?
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>>3499715
We replaced the Caster anon
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>>3499717
I know anon, that's the point of my fucking statement.
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>>3499722
Your question is asking if we counted as the was’s Saber, which we don’t, because we replaced the caster.
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>>3499730
Yes anon, but I'm wondering if Vaisset may have mistakenly believed us to count as the True Saber of the war, thus telling us that Rider is the only servant yet to appear.
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>>3499736
That's unlikely. As per Rushorou's explanation, Vaisset should be aware that Caster didn't summon a new servant for the outer war but rather started another war within Akeldama and upon his death was supplanted by his killer rather than summoning a new outer war servant.
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>>3499770
I guess we'll see.
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>>3498754
Theory: since we're in 2019, this is a timeline where Rin and Waver failed to dismantle the Fuyuki Grail ten years after FSN and it only took five years for another war to be viable.
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>>3499918
Except we are in Tokyo.
Not Fuyuki.
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>>3499952
The Grail could have been moved.
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>>3499975
Considering the nature of the Grail as a massive magic circle, that would be one hell of an operation. It would probably be easier to just build a new one in the new location than to move the old one. Hell, it would probably take sorcery to pull that off.

Speaking of this Grail, I'd like to remind everyone that when we first met Cid, he told us that the kind of ritual he needed was no longer possible in the modern day, thus his creation of a world stuck in 2004. Yet here we are in 2019 about to partake in another Grail War. While he may have been Judas, he didn't often outright lie. Either Cid was utterly full of shit even when he had no real reason to be, or something's up.
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>>3500004
Also if this is after a HF route the Fuyuki grail was either destroyed by Excalibur Image or disabled for good by Illya.
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>>3500004
>spoiler
But the Grail's always been a big ball as well.
>Speaking of this Grail, I'd like to remind everyone that when we first met Cid, he told us that the kind of ritual he needed was no longer possible in the modern day, thus his creation of a world stuck in 2004. Yet here we are in 2019 about to partake in another Grail War.
It could be that the Grail is on autopilot and the world is heading toward the Extraverse, in which case Operation AoG is more sorely needed than ever.
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>>3500039
Operation AoG is on hold until we figure out Operation Incarnate.
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>>3500004
>You see, the summoning of the Holy Grail is an art that is no longer possible in reality. Thanks to the efforts of some highly determined anti-establishment members of the Mages' Association, all traces of the mystery facilitating the Holy Grail War were destroyed. It was only by creating an alternate realm, modeled on the past, that I was able to retrieve the technique. It is this artificial world which you now inhabit.
Given that this was a part of explaining why he had to erect the artificial world, I could see that explanation being total bollocks. Also

>rereading first Judas encounter
>we had Longinus on the ropes right there
>Judas couldn’t actually kill Matsuda
Holy hells we could have neutered him in thread 2, FUCK.
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>>3500054
But Operation Incarnate must follow Operation AoG because resurrection of the dead is a Mystery of that era, so if we do this first it kills two birds with one stone.
do you even operate anon
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>>3500039
>But the Grail's always been a big ball as well.
>Apocrypha
Please don't cite Apocrypha for anything. Its writing is atrocious and it can barely get its own lore right. It also never happened in the universe we're in.

>It could be that the Grail is on autopilot
Not likely, given that it supposedly got shredded.
>in which case Operation AoG is more sorely needed than ever.
Still as dumb as it was the first time around.

>>3500054
Remind me what this is?

>>3500056
>Given that this was a part of explaining why he had to erect the artificial world, I could see that explanation being total bollocks.
But he knew he was speaking to someone with no knowledge of magic. He could have told Rushorou pretty much anything and Rushorou would have no way of knowing if it's true or not (yeah, the players would have, but still).

>Holy hells we could have neutered him in thread 2
...My God, you're right.
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>>3500076
Genius anon!
But how do we not immediately fade away exactly?
>true magic is off the table forever
JUUUDAAAAAAS
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>>3500091
Operation Incarnate: Incarnate with grail so we no longer fade into nothing if the squishy asshole we're connected to gets shivved.
Bonus is incarnating Circe and Adelheid if they survived.
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>STILL wanting to bring about the Age of Gods, especially when Rushorou has no knowledge of such, even now
I don't have an appropriate shiggy for this diggy.
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>>3500091
I’m just noting that no element of what he said was said in good faith, as it all was a part of a greater lie. I also recall Sweets saying “no Manjew bull this time”, so I think we can trust this grail war to a greater extent.
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>>3500105
Circe mentioned being from the Age of Gods when she was talking about her divine words.
God I miss Circe.
Adelheid too actually.
Circe was our greatest asset and managed to make Rushorou feel emotions without the help of A rank Charisma.
Also our Magic Resistance B gives us immunity to Charisma bullshit now, which is nice.
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>>3500132
Fuck the Age of the Gods, but God I miss Circe too. I can’t wait to see how Sweets writes Servant v. Servant fights from the Servant perspective.
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>>3500132
Wait, I should say "Emotions with the exception of tranquil fury for a salarymen and a hatred for priests."
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>>3500091
>But he knew he was speaking to someone with no knowledge of magic. He could have told Rushorou pretty much anything and Rushorou would have no way of knowing if it's true or not (yeah, the players would have, but still).
Circe was right there, ID-Lock. He knew you had a Caster who would immediately see through it if he didn't give a plausible story.
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>>3500146
>tranquil fury
There was nothing tranquil about what we did to Keiseki.
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>>3500218
Let's just say that we hold betrayal to a very low esteem.
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>>3500223
Is Keiseki's case, we hate being outmaneuvered.
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>>3500223
>Let's just say that we hold betrayal to a very low esteem.
>First thought on being summoned as a Servant is "how can I find a new Master?"
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>>3500223
Oh hey nice we can be friends with a dog then.
>>3500187
>when you summon a far better Caster than yourself in your fake war
Other than Akeldama, with it's infinite possible complications. Judas was garbage.
>>3500228
Is it really being outmaneuvered if he was the one who ended up losing his head?
>>3500234
>Likes: Betrayal
>Hates: Betrayal
But honestly our new Master deserves terrible things, we haven't made any sort of knightly vow to aid him either. Also I think we hate him.
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>>3500234
Well, look what we did to Kikuko though.
>>3500242
>Is it really being outmaneuvered if he was the one who ended up losing his head?
Gaining an advantage doesn't ensure victory.
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>>3500252
Kikuko turned out alright.
She's a good girl now.
...
Somewhat.
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>>3500223
Keiseki isn't even the one who betrayed us. Archer is. Keiseki just sat there watching the show like he had it made, and that never goes over well with Rushorou.

>>3500252
Kikuko was because we as players had plenty of reason to believe she was evil incarnate and it looked like the only way to spare her without getting horribly backstabbed as a result.
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>>3500234
Nobody ever said Rushorou has to be 100% ethically consistent. Not even committed to that path yet anyways, just an option.
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>>3500242
>Also I think we hate him.
But why?
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>>3500280
>Keiseki tries to force us into a situation where there is only one answer he expects to hear
DAGA KOTOWARU
>Ambrose tells us to let Berserker fade away should we win their fight
DAGA KOTOWARU
>Cid
D A G A
K O T O W A R U
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>>3500310
For being the one that agreed to the use of the Akeldama and leading us on.
And generally because magi are dumb egotistical idiots.
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>>3500311
>Sweets provides a choice that will result in betrayal and a guaranteed dead end
D A G A K O T O W A R U
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So, who do y’all think sent that message? A former ally? A current enemy? Rushorou’s parents, who are actually immensely powerful magi?
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>>3500338
An einzbern homunculus
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>>3500338
>Rushorou’s parents, who are actually immensely powerful magi?
y no crest

Also, we should rethink how we want to rule; a king without the favor of his people is no king at all.
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>>3500340
Oh, that makes sense.

>>3500341
Power first, questions later.
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>>3500346
No, people's favor first. The last thing I want is to fall like every other tyrant.
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>>3500338
Most likely, the Einzbern master, who thinks we're an escaped homunculus because we haven't met their servant yet.
It's also theoretically possible, but vastly less likely, that someone else was behind Vaisset summoning Judas instead of his intended servant and somehow knows that we went in and came out despite being unrecognizable.
Anyone we kept in the university would likely just come up to us and talk normally except Ogawara, and the only one who knew magic is Truvi, who is probably both half a world away and already knows how we got out because we killed Cid right in front of her.
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>>3500348
>fall like every other tyrant.
This implies we won't just have Circe scry and brainwash any revolutionary leaders.
It also implies that any amount of normal people could touch a Servant in combat.
No mystery, no sell.
The only people who could stop us are magical and wouldn't be swayed by Good PR anyway.
O Circe, where art thou?
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>>3500348
>Be mage-king
>Kill dissenters
>Kill Dissenters’ families
>Don’t be absolutely, completely, 100% retarded in policy
>maintain some standard of living for people
EzPz
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What are the odds that Truvi gets transferred into this grail war last-minute as the master of Rider or comes on her own because she's dissatisfied with the result of Akeldama?

Also, what's the viability and risk/reward of getting into contact with Matsuda, Ogawara, and/or Kikuko and getting our old crew back in some form of action?
Obviously, getting them involved in a second Grail War would be dangerous as hell and probably not worth it, but we may as well consider our options.
Depending on how Matsuda's fight went (I suspect he crushed it since he's been training non-stop and sparring with a superhuman the past few days), he probably has even more influence now than he had before. Depending on how far it stretches, we might be able to get Ayaka indirectly watched over at school. We can't always be there for her, but we could maybe get delinquents to step in if any high school masters try to pull a fast one on her, like hiding something in her stuff. Dunno what they'll be able to do about anything Kerry Dos tries, but it's still a layer of protection she wouldn't otherwise have.
Ogawara doesn't like to get out much, so we might be able to get him back on research if we can establish some sufficiently clandestine communication system. The main concern here is, again, Kerry Dos, since he might actually have some way to intercept electronic communications.
Kikuko is Kikuko. Given her social position, she's probably got access to all sorts of rumors, but she's pretty reckless and is the most likely to end up in considerable danger from enemy Servants. In fact, I'm scared she might actively seek out us or the whole damn Grail War if she catches wind of "Saber-san."

Obvious potential dangers include death of crew, use of crew as human shields, discovery as Yumigawa Rushorou, and targeting by Kerry Dos because we know what the fuck we're doing.
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>>3500398
>implying implications
Every tyrant falls eventually, and it is never pretty. That being said, I want to rule at least a little bit like Iskandar. Also
>killing dissenters
>not just outright proving them wrong
>conflating dissent with dissidence
and
>killing their families
What about those families' friends and so on?
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>>3500418
Why kill when brainwashing is an option?
>every tyrant falls eventually
*laughs in Stalin*
*laughs in Mao*
*laughs in majority of kings*
Turns out Immortality is great. Which Circe said she could give us with continued use of her elixir iirc.
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>>3500418
>conflating dissent with dissidence
Wait, dissidence is wrong. Sedition is what I meant.
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>>3500444
>Why kill when brainwashing is an option?
>opting to have a bunch of Kikukos running around
>some of them men
Yeah, no thanks.
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>>3500451
Kikuko had an unusually strong will iirc.
She had the hardest time in the selection round and managed to hold onto her sanity, even if it twisted her.
By comparison, Shirou upon seeing the Fuyuki Fire decided he was a sword and that he should never be happy again.
Most people will be far less Kikuko-like.
Regardless, she kind of grew on me and I actually like her now.
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>>3500469
>spoiler
Same for me but I don't think I can handle more than one or two, nor do I think Egilhard can.
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>>3500413
Minimal, she’s across the world and I don’t think Sweets is into unnecessarily contriving ways to recycle characters.

>Matsuda
Most reward of all, but I don’t see a pressing need to bring him in when it could very easily cost him his life. I like the network idea, but would table it until it seems more prudent. I wish we had our gloves, because them I’d go for this 100%.

>Ogawara
Minimal reward, and his efforts in the last war were largely fruitless. I’d rather just let the poor guy live.

>Kikuko
Whether or not our geas still works is an interesting question to resolve, but there’s basically no reason to find her except for Ogawara-Kikuko shipping reasons, which I shouldn’t need to tell you are dumb.

If you’re correct and Matsuda has secured position and allies, I could see there being enough upside in pursuing our old bro to do it later.
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>>3500476
Depending on Ogawara's computer skills we can task him with finding the whereabouts of the Second Magus Killer and the Bartholemoi Proxy.
Also any other Master's we can find out exist.
Never underestimate the power of doxxing.
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>>3500489
As much as we’ve joked about it, Ogawara isn’t a 733T haxxor, he’s just a random anon man. Leave him be.
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>>3500497
>implying you need to be some l33t haxor to Doxx somebody
Anon I...
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>>3500497
He doesn't hack teets?
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>>3500506
>Implying doxxing murderous magi is a good idea, let alone even possible
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Someone get me Shirou’s twitter, stat.
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>>3500518
I'm more talking of bystanders that get involved.
You'd seriously be surprised by just how much info you can get on somebody with just a picture and their name.
Magi would be harder to track down with doxxing due to their luddite autism.
It's possible that Second Magus Killer is less averse to technology though.
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>>3500538
Idk man, I’m inclined to give the Neo Magus Killer the benefit of the doubt when it comes to proper cleaner work. I doubt he’s like Rushorou, wandering around looking like an edgy cosplayer for all the world to see.
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One of my favorite things about the quest so far is observing how Rushorou conducts himself in each of the dead ends. Sometimes he disappointed, but in several (Archer distance shot, Adelheid duel, etc) he was quite impressive in defeat.
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>>3500527
Well uh.
There was the 2015 TMitter event
So...
@tmtt15_seelaw?
Maybe just
@seelaw?
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>>3500577
Is that archived anywhere? I remember seeing a site with the accounts recreated a while back, but I haven't been able to find it again.
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>>3500582
https://anime.chaika.moe/tm2015/timeline/reverse/
Is this what you seek?
(Hope you read moon.)
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>>3500602
Nice, thanks!
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>>3500602
I had found that already, actually. It works, but I thought someone had set up a database where you could view the characters' timelines individually. Maybe I'm wrong, though...
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>>3500602
>EMIYA playing Superhero
Lmao.
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>>3500644
>Shirou and EMIYA both post about waking up seconds apart from each other
God damn it.
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I feel like we should come clean about our status as a non standard servant. I don't see much reason to keep it a secret. Maybe we can actually figure something out about our new state of existence if we research it instead of pretending to be a real heroic spirit.
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>>3500833
Pfft.
Maybe to Ayaka or a non shithead Master.
"I abhor violence, Saber."
"You literally just killed 1045 people."
I don't want to bring up anything that might damage what little respect this imbecile shows to the being that could turn his torso into giblets in a single punch.
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>>3500857
No, no, anon, you don't understand. It was Judas' Akeldama that got 1045 people killed, I had little to do with it, understand?
t. Jean, probably
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>>3500891
Annoyingly that's almost certainly how he thinks.
He's so lucky we rely on him to exist.
also I just realised
>picrelated is pretty much us upon "winning" Akeldama and laying the beatdown on Judas.
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I can't wait to give some plucky teenage Master a horrible dead end.
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>>3500946
Nah, we didn't feel satisfied in killing Judas, we would feel even less killing Masters now.
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>>3500946
It will be pleasant and good fun!

>>3500959
>The path to the Holy Grail remains long and arduous, Yumigawa Rushorou, but you are resolved to walk it.
It’s all for that final victory anon
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>>3500959
Of course we didn't feel satisfied with killing Judas.
He was merely the halfway point.
It turns out the boss had a second healthbar.
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>>3500946
Oh man, anon, that is great.

>>3500959
You may want to go back and re-read the final fight. What dissatisfied you was giving him what he wanted; the fact that you were doing that by killing him was a mitigating factor.
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>>3500857
>Killing one thousand people is something Rushurou is disgusted by
>Also he wants to bring back the age of gods, fucking over humanity completely
Hmm
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>>3501046
No, Rushorou isn't disgusted by the killing of 1000 people.
He's more disgusted by the fact that he didn't get his wish and the fact that his Master is a half-baked coward who can easily order the deaths of a 1000 people but can't stomach the idea of taking a life with his own hands.
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>>3501049
Well said. Also, I would posit that Rushorou sees murder done with minimal-to-no benefit to himself as pointless at best, and wasteful/stupid at worst.
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"Young ladies," you say, "please let Ojou-sama go. If you must know about me, I will tell you this. My family is German, but my father came to Japan as an investor when I was a small child. Due to a run of bad luck and unfortunate decisions, most of our money was lost some years ago, and he had me sent back home to train as a butler from the age of twelve until that of twenty. I now serve the Shijou family as Ayaka-ojou-sama's personal attendant. There is really nothing more to be said. Now, if you will excuse me," leaning into the group of girls, you separate Ayaka from her classmates by picking her up bodily. She lets out a little cry of embarrassment, struggling in your arms, but you ignore her protestation and carry her away from the squealing girls. After setting her down outside the school gate, you say to the other girls, "I must see her home safely. Good afternoon, young ladies."

With that, you walk off back towards the manor, Ayaka following red-faced at your side. Apparently a princess-carry was a bit too much stimulation for the girl, and silence falls over the two of you for a while. Eventually she says, "Um, Saber-san, you didn't have to... you know, to carry me like that. You don't need to go to so much trouble over me, I mean."

"Come now," you say, "a girl like you is as light as a feather! It was no trouble at all, Miss Ayaka." You raise an eyebrow. "Or would you rather I continue to call you Ojou-sama?"

"Ooh! Now you're just teasing me." Although still blushing heavily, Ayaka musters up some indignation. "Some kind of knight you are, toying with a girl like that!" She quickens her pace to walk ahead of you, but you follow at her heels.

"Don't be so angry, Ojou-sama," you say wryly. "You were the one who came up with the idea after all, and your family is rather wealthy, is it not? You should be used to the name!"

"We never had servants," Ayaka replies with a pout. "Magi value their privacy, you know."

"If you're so against the idea, I suppose I can return to calling you Miss Ayaka, then. I'm only trying to be of service."

"Oh, call me what you like, Saber-san," she says, mood cooling a bit. "Whatever you think is best for keeping..." she trails off, realizing the possibility of being overheard on the street. "Keeping the right things quiet." Then you're back at the manor, and Ayaka enters, pointedly closing the front door behind her to separate the two of you. Evidently she'd like to spend some time alone.

With no word from Vaisset, and the time about 16:00, you have some free time. How do you spend it?

>[ ] Guard the manor and think. (Duty/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Go back inside and talk to one of the Shijou siblings. Who, and about what? (Trait dependent on subject)

>[ ] Kill time and get something to eat at the local shopping district. (Self-Preservation/Curiosity)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3501087
>[ ] Kill time and get something to eat at the local shopping district. (Self-Preservation/Curiosity)
Should be fun.
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>>3501087
>[ ] Go back inside and talk to one of the Shijou siblings. Who, and about what? (Trait dependent on subject)
>Jean-Pierre
>Give him a proper rundown of our abilities and strengths
>Maybe also mention the potential run-in with the potential Einzbern
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>>3501087
>[ ] Kill time and get something to eat at the local shopping district. (Self-Preservation/Curiosity)
Time to meet a new character!
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>>3501123
Oh god damn it
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>>3501153
Man, I can't quite decide if I like the glowing eyes or not. On the one hand, it's a cool effect. On the other hand, you're not a robot.
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>>3501087
Examine our noble phantasms, maybe see what they can do in practice
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>>3501087
>>3501231
Ooo, good idea. Switching to support. Maybe inform Vaisset about this, what with the energy requirements and all.

>>3501229
>INFRARED MODE ENGAGED, PREPARE TO DIE PITIFUL HUMAN
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>>3501229
Yeah I'm having a hard time deciding whether I like them or not too.
It seems a waste to have red eyes and not use them for the purposes of ゴゴゴゴ our enemies.
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>>3501231
This is a good idea; the sooner we can get them online, the better.
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>>3501153
>>3501256
I quite like the spookiness of the glowing eyes, but as it stands they feel a bit off. Personally, I think it has to do with how point-like and (and maybe bright) the eyes currently are. It seems like the light is coming from the pupils and not the irises.
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>>3501267
Hmm.
I adjusted the brightness but the pointlike nature of them isn't something I can really make bigger without the glow getting too big.
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>>3501289
It's unfortunate about the point-like part, but it definitely looks better now. Good work.
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I just want to point out that testing our NPs will inevitably lead to us having to try to name them again and well...
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>>3501387
I don’t know, I think they got narrowed down pretty well. It’s only the True Name vote which is really hell.
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>>3501392
Egilhard or Agilmar for me
Second name we should let Circe decide on or something I don't know.
...
I miss her.
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>>3501397
Same for me.
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>>3501387
We already know how our NPs work courtesy of the status screen. I'm not really sure why people want to mess around with them when we know exactly what they do.

>>3501392
We could always just keep the name Yumigawa Rushorou.
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>>3501444
>1st spoiler
You're right, but our enemies know how to activate theirs.
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>>3501444
Knowing what they do =/= knowing practically what to do with them. Also, I don’t care to leave the grounds. Not changing is not nearly /prideful/ enough for me
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>>3501444
>keep the name Yumigawa Rushorou.
We have the chance to take up a really cool name and you want to stick with the name of a dead man?
Yumigawa Rushorou died in the Akeldama.
His appearance and his personality are irreversibly changed.
A new name suits him.
>>3501448
>>3501453
Don't you want to meet the new characters?
Testing out our Noble Phantasms is kind of pointless.
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>>3501456
I don’t think it’s pointless for Rushorou though. We already know he can’t assume a spiritual form, I’d like to test these NP to make sure.
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>>3501456
>Don't you want to meet the new characters?
I wouldn't mind it but I don't want to tie the vote up.
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>>3501475
But you have the deciding vote.
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>>3501448
Yeah, by calling out its True Name, which is what every Servant does. Servants don't just pop into the world unable to use their NPs. If they somehow are activated differently than the cloak, we'd get that knowledge from the Grail.

>>3501453
How is swinging them around in the house going to give us any better an idea of what to do with them practically against the enemy? That's entirely on us to think up and use. We already know how to use the cloak from practicing with the smaller cloak in Akeldama. The sword is a sword that cuts ridiculously hard by not actually cutting to begin with. Not much to figure out.

This is our chance to meet new characters before Rider gets summoned, the War officially begins, and we can't afford to be separated from our master for a significant period of time. Spending it dicking around with our NPs seems like a waste.

>>3501456
Nobody can seem to agree on what new name to take and it's the name our old allies know us by. It's not like the name is somehow broken just because Rushorou discovered himself in the Akeldama. To call him dead now that he's finally alive seems wrong.

>>3501471
We can't assume a spiritual form because we still have a physical body, like Saber and Berserker from FSN. Their NPs worked fine. Ours will too.
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>>3501477
Wait, really? Then I'll vote to explore.
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>>3501478
I mean, we can just say that we used to be Yumigawa Rushorou and we look the exact same except we've grown another 2 inches.
He's at least discarded his family name anyway.
And nobody is gonna buy the clearly European Knight saying he's Japanese.
And I want to make dumb magi scour their tomes looking for a European Knight named whatever with a sword that can cut through anything.
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>>3501513
I get where you're coming from, but we shouldn't give anyone our name as a matter of servant principle. Just looking a knight with our power will already confuse the fuck out of everybody.
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>>3501521
If an honourable Servant decides they want to play the "hey what's your real name" game we can play along with no fear as to giving them a hint of what we can actually do.
>>3501478
Wait? Berserker?
I swear Berserker could take spirit form.
The reason Saber couldn't was because she technically wasn't dead and her real body was... somewhere... else...
FUCK.
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>>3501478
Also Berserker's NPs did not in fact work fine considering he was locked out of using his offensive one.
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>>3501535
Berserker's body dissolved into sand when he died. The Einzberns summoned him a whole two months early because they're cheaters and had to use sand to do it for some reason.

>>3501555
That's because he was Berserker and therefore insane and devoid of the ability to strategize. He's only sane for about four or five scenes in the entire VN.
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For those who haven't seen, I updated the description of Conceptual Biology this morning to hopefully make it a bit more clear just what exactly Saber is. Feel free to take a look.

>>3501555
It was his class that locked Berserker out of the use of his bow and arrow, not the unusual circumstances of his summoning. Similar to the way that a Saber Cu would have Fragarach, but Lancer has Gae Bolg.
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>>3501555
That was the work of the Madness Enhancement
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>>3501559
>>3501563
>>3501568
Yeah I know.
I was just saying the damn thing couldn't be used so Berserker's NPs were not in fact fine.
Nothing to do with his summoning.

I still say Shirou using Nine Lives in HF is almost as huge an asspull as Gae Bolg jobbing.
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>>3501563
>Conceptual Biology: A
A body radically altered by the empowerment of the Silver Grail and Akeldama. In addition to functioning physically on a level far beyond that of a human, numerous changes to Saber's internal workings have occurred. Conceptually, he is a Servant despite not being a Heroic Spirit; a living existence empowered to fill the class container, rather than a dead one constrained by it. As a partial consequence of this contradictory existence, the consumption of enchanted food, potions, inedible items disguised as food, and other harmful things will not affect this inhuman biology.
Curious....
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>>3501563
I wonder what would happen if you just had Saber go to the Clocktower and bully Gray into giving her Rhongomyniad.
Would she still job?
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>>3501594
>Would she still job?
Out of the 14 Servants appearing in Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night, Saber is definitely not one I'd accuse of jobbing.
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>>3501496
To be clear, are you voting to explore the area in general or are you supporting the Self-Preservation/Curiosity option?
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>>3501578
>Berserker's NPs were not in fact fine
They were fine, they just weren't his NPs.

The only reason I agree about Nine Lives being bullshit is because the cleaver technically shouldn't have had Nine Lives in its memory since it was fashioned from a temple's foundations and used as the catalyst for Berserker's summoning rather than being something Berserker used while alive.

>>3501594
Probably. Saber is one of my biggest gripes with FSN since she's essentially a theoretically unbeatable stat stick but it seems like she wins or loses solely based on plot convenience.
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>>3501614
the latter
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>>3501608
The only one who jobs harder is Gil.
And Berserker in the Fate route because what the fuck.
And pretttty much everyone in HF, especially Gil there though.
I still don't get how the fuck they killed Berserker like that though.
>>3501617
I really hate how the Axe Sword if pretty much his official weapon now. I think he has a different axe at max ascension in FGO at least.
Also if Shirou can just fucking bust out a Nine Lives then he should also be able to bust out a Tsubame Gaeshi.
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>>3501631
Tsubame Gaeshi I can understand, since neither Shirou nor Archer ever encounter fake Assassin in HF.
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>>3501631
You're forgetting F/SN's designated jobber, Cu. Every goddamn time he shows up, it's just to job. Drove me crazy.
Admittedly, several of his fights are staged or intentionally dragged out, but still.

I'd say Saber doesn't job as hard as other characters because she always has an outside reason for being weakened. It's always "Saber could be unbeatable if only X weren't happening." Whereas with Gil, Cu, and Berserker it's more "This Servant/attack/NP is unbeatable. Whoops, no it isn't!"
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>>3501631
>The only one who jobs harder is Gil.
I'd have to say Cu jobs harder. At least Gil actually gets some kills in.
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Now, the real question is who jobbed in Akeldama.
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>>3501655
Rider. Twice.
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>>3501647
>>3501650
Poor Cu.
If only Kirei hadn't purposely nerfed him and disallowed him from from going all out in his first encounters.
With his runes he'd actually have a chance at killing fucking Berserker apparently.
Hold on, wasn't he technically still under the "hold back" command when he was fighting Gil?
At least Gae Bolg remembered not to job against Fragarach in HA.
Cu has an excuse for his jobbing anyway.
>>3501655
Longinus. Twice.
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Saber also jobbed hard.
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>>3501669
>Saber also jobbed hard.
That critfail hit the quest so hard that it fundamentally altered my approach to dice.
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>>3501655
Lancer, Saber, and Rider.

>>3501678
What did it change? I remember you saying Saber was story-important, then he just kinda died and wasn't.
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>>3501678
Fuckin lmao.
How much was changed by Saber's jobbing?
>>3501683
>Assassin and Saber are both story important
>both died like absolute chumps
We really fucked the route up didn't we?
Also I do enjoy that all the way back in thread 1 when the servant we got was decided by coinflip between Lancer, Berserker and Caster and then we ended up allying with all 3.
Well Lancer died but I suppose you have to expect these sorts of things.
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>>3501683
He was generally supposed to have a bigger role. I had one scenario in mind where you worked with Rider to bomb his cathedral into ruins, and I was also thinking about doing some interplay with him being the first to find out about Cid's true identity. After he was gimped in the fight against Lancer, though, I had to shift focus.

Everyone thinks Rider jobbed, huh? Interesting. I feel like he was one of the biggest threats to you folks in that War.
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>>3501701
I don't think Rider jobbed at all.
He fucking slapped Assassin without a Master.
Biggest Jobbers were definitely both Assassins and Saber.
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>>3501701
>Ruthless killer
>Has ALL the stats
>Winning fight
>dies to one shot from Colt .45
Yeah, he jobbed.
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>>3501704
Did I not make it sufficiently clear that Archer had been pumping shot after shot into Rider, and only finished him off with the bullet to the eye?
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>>3501704
>Colt .45 even caused Lancer's Battle Continuation: A to job
I mean, I know Sweets said that he made Battle Continuation too high but damn if that wasn't bullshit.
Colt .45 was just too fuckin bullshit in general.
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>>3501717
(And when I say damn if that wasn't bullshit I mean Lancer instant dying, not Sweets saying they made a mistake, Percy didn't really deserve the A anyway considering he didn't go out like a champ at all in his myth, he just sort of got killed.)
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>>3501704
He lost to Archer, who aside from Rushorou is the greatest non-jobber in FATE history.

>>3501717
Agreed

Supporting other anon’s question- how did Saber getting fucked change your approach to dice sweets?
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>>3501733
I feel like we should grab a revolver or something, just because Archer showed off how useful they are considering his killcount.
Also
>the Saber that is clearly a Knight wearing Knight's armour pulls out a revolver and shoots an enemy Master.
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>>3501733
Oh, my approach to dice? It wasn't an immediate or really well-defined policy shift, but my overall attitude went from "use dice for as much as possible" to "write consequences for as much as possible, use dice when needed." So I think the quantity of die-rolls has gradually dropped since then.
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>>3501749
Yeah, looking back on it I can definitely see that shift.
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>>3501707
When I was reading the fight, it didn't seem like Rider was in any real danger from his wounds. It made sense, considering Rider had A+(?) rank Endurance, and I expected him to win in a battle of attrition due to Archer's E-rank Endurance. I also figured a guy with Rider's tankiness - higher than Adelheid's - would be able to stand at least one hit from Colt .45, but that didn't happen.
How did Rider get so beefy, anyway? You said there were effects involved but never told us what they were.
Colt .45 was massively bullshit. It essentially felt like a stronger Fragarach since it had less restrictions and didn't have any actual weaknesses that ever came into play.

>>3501749
I thought what convinced you to roll dice less was how we died due to dice and couldn't possibly have died from choice in our death with Assassin since no situation like that ever arose again.
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>>3501743
I will note that the grail didn’t give Rushorou 733T delta-sniper skills, so we’d actually have to practice that. And would have to acquire a revolver and ammunition in Glorious Nippon. And.... well, you got the gist of it.
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>>3501769
We can just bully the Yakuza
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>>3501767
Diverting all of the coins into him, and I assume that in Sweets-lore Blackbeard is buffed as a servant in the first place because he’s *the* pirate. Maybe Keiseki also had more than five coins? Also, delenda est Keiseki.
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>>3501767
>Colt .45 was massively bullshit. It essentially felt like a stronger Fragarach since it had less restrictions and didn't have any actual weaknesses that ever came into play.
I think the problem was twofold. First, something that I never adequately explained: every shot from Archer's pistol was as powerful as Colt .45's activated attack. Calling its true name only activated the "must strike first" effect.
Secondly, I had him use it as a finisher against two Servants who were already heavily damaged, but didn't communicate that damage very well. In Rider's case, he was powering through by endurance and willpower, but that only goes so far. This is something I'll try to work on.

>How did Rider get so beefy, anyway? You said there were effects involved but never told us what they were.
To solve the mystery of Blackbeard, I've added the full description of his skills (as well as his pre-modification stats) to the status screen. I'll eventually get around to filling out the full details for the other Akeldama Servants.
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>>3501769
>Make Kerry Dos our first target
>Kill him and steal his stuff
>Copy Archer
>tell our enemies they're pretty good
>Become Revolver Rushorou
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>>3501792
Neat! It’ll be fun to pick through this Akeldama stuff.

>Those stats
Man, and you had me convinced that Blackbeard was the harbringer of the end times or something. Well played!

>>3501802
>*twirl*
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>>3501769
What if we ask our master to buy us one using "Means" hell he could probably get some "special" bullets for us to kill things of the Servant variety.

Though I bet the look on his face of this man who looks like he came from a fucking Renaissance festival asks for a specific gun and special bullets would be hilarious.
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>>3501829
What would Revolver Rushorou's origin rounds do?
...
What will Kerry Dos's origin rounds do?
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>>3501838
Fuck all, because you don't have a mercenary magus stepmom to cut out your rib and make them.
You already have an origin cloak, what do you need bullets for?
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>>3501838
>origin bullets that explode into a portal to imaginary number space and just take huge chunks of torso along for the ride.
More terrifying than the grenade knives.
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>>3501852
I wish we had Circe slave away at the Internally-Accelerating-Grenade-Throwing-Knife so we could have that as a meme NP...
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>>3501792
>two Servants who were already heavily damaged
Really? There was no description at all of damage to Lancer before his death. He just got one-tapped.

>I'll eventually get around to filling out the full details for the other Akeldama Servants.
Very nice. I'm looking forward to it.
Interesting that Legend of Brutality is a skill. Based on the description and how closely it's tied to Blackbeard's legend, it feels like it ought to be part of his Noble Phantasm.

>>3501850
To become Revolver Rushorou, what else?

>>3501852
That blows the grenade knives right out of the water.

>>3501856
>Be Assassin
>Presence concealment
>NP is to throw internally accelerating grenade knives at enemies
More or less broken than the Shadow NP?
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>>3501861
Less, but 1000000x cooler
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>>3501861
I feel like I had Lancer take damage earlier in that fight, when he was hit by either Rider or Archer hard enough to send him flying off the ship and knock a crater in one of the buildings at the riverside. Battle Continuation was what had him get up and keep fighting after that. Did that not happen?
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>>3501867
Wasn't his crashing in the battle royal?
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>>3501877
Lancer-kun is made of tissue paper.
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>>3501867
Internal Fire blasted everybody off the ship in the battle royal, but the fight where he died had only just started before Truvi ordered him to pull out Medusa's head and he got killed immediately. He was evenly matched with Blackbeard before that.
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>>3501877
You... may be right about that. I don't know, Lancer was just a glass cannon. Or Colt .45 was overpowered. At any rate, they're both dead now and I'll try to eliminate jobbing in the Tokyo Grail War.
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>>3501838
Well what do our sword and cloak do again? Probably something similar to that.
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>>3501890
>I'll try to eliminate jobbing in the Tokyo Grail War.
Please no, jobbery is an essential element of Grail Wars and provides meme material. Just no more “already dead” NPs plz
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>>3501890
>When you realise that if this were a real Fate series there would be endless threads about how Cowboy Man cucks Gil and insta kills him.
Don't know how to feel about this.
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>>3501890
>>3501897
Yeah, it's not fun to go against someone with a Super Fragarach.
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>>3501911
I don't think Saber would be any more attracted to Akeldama Archer than she is to Gilgamesh, really.
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>>3501911
If this were a real fate series I could just imagine the endless threads about Rushorou being a hyper-competent Gary Stu
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>>3501928
>Implying anyone wouldn’t be attracted to Clint Eastwood
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>>3501939
You stay out of this, Adelheid.
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>>3501939
Anyone sane would be into Gil, too. We can only conclude that Artoria has a bizarre fetish for mentally disturbed redheads.

>>3501929
This is something that concerns me. I've tried to give him a decent number of character flaws and opportunities for failure (losing Truvietianne, for example), but I'm not sure how well that's going.
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>>3501957
He's nowhere near the level of Shirou Gary Stu.
Shirou has so much shit going for him it's unreal.
Rushorou is too uh
Evil
To be a Gary Stu anyway.
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>>3501977
>Rushorou is too, uh, Evil to be a Gary Stu anyway.
JIBUN WO
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>>3501957
I say “Gary Stu” because of how relentlessly and successfully he killed people during the war. It certainly *felt* earned between the dice-rolls and decisionmaking, and never felt gifted. There’s only so much a QM can do to limit the success of the players in such a scenario while still allowing them to get at it freely. And we all see him as a flawed figure- a number of pride-based dead ends can attest to it.
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I gotta say, folks, this has been an eye-opening night. Archer was undoubtedly our rival in Akeldama, someone we thought was incredibly powerful offensively nigh indestructible defensively. Lancer getting instagibbed is the reason all of us were so terrified of Colt .45. We thought it was Fragarach on servant roids. We spent the whole Grail War terrified of what might happen if we dared to take on Archer again. We didn't risk losing Adelheid immediately because we thought she'd get instagibbed like Lancer. Rider getting trashed only validated that fear and we were glad we didn't try to take Archer on alone. Our last decision on how to handle Archer was hotly debated because we were horrified that he might annihilate us like he'd annihilated everyone else, and there was a huge collective sigh of relief when he faded out because we'd finally done away with the strongest opponent in the Akeldama Grail War.

Turns out it was just miscommunication on Sweets' part and he forgot to include the details that prevented Cowboy Man from being a contender for Strongest Servant™. Honestly a more shocking revelation than Cid being a servant.

>>3501911
I kind of wish it were an official Fate property just so I could participate in those threads. It'd be a lot of fun.

>>3501957
Don't forget Circe and Adelheid.
He's kinda sorta just a lotta bit a dick, so yeah, I'd say he's flawed even if he can pull off some pretty impressive victories.

>>3501984
In Lelouch's defense, he spends a good deal of the series shooting himself in the foot.
ALL THE JAPANESE
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>>3502026
You weren't totally off base. Archer being your rival was certainly intentional. He was the most dangerous Servant in the war, and going into the forest was a dead end. And of course he did have the Iron Plate for a defensive NP. He just wasn't a Gilgamesh-tier monster.
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Vaisset told you he'd contact you if he needed anything, and the manor is warded. With the War not yet begun, you decide that you have the leeway to go for a walk on your own. There's a shopping district not too far away where your mother buys groceries, and you have some moderately fond memories of going with her as a child. As you think back to the youthful pleasure of the taiyaki stand, your stomach suddenly growls. It comes to mind that you haven't eaten anything since appearing in Vaisset's basement, and apparently being a Servant doesn't remove that need. Leaving the Shijou mansion behind you, you head down the hill towards Heigon Market.

It hasn't changed. That shouldn't surprise you, since it's only been a day here, but after the experiences you've had you can't shake the expectation that everything should be different. The market street is a bustling, happy place populated by housewives and mothers shopping for dinner or other needs, students out of school and buying crepes or other snacks, and of course the merchants themselves. Fishermen, butchers, grocers, bakers, and all the other owners of small shops catering to Tokyo's residential outskirts line the covered street, hawking their wares. You yourself are the only fly in the ointment, as most people give a wary eye to the tall, pale stranger. After walking for a while, admiring the happiness on display, you give in to temptation and buy a taiyaki from one stand and a roasted sweet potato from another. As you bite into the potato, your mouth fills with the sweet, hot sensations of autumn and winter at home, and you have to stop yourself from scarfing the whole thing down in an instant. Instead, you look around and soon find a bench to sit at. You sit down to finish your food at a more gradual pace, and watch the happy shoppers at on the opposite side of the street as you do.

For a while your attention wanders, seeing a mother and daughter arguing over whether or not to buy a snack; a florist selling a young man on the idea that his crush will fall if he just gets the right bouquet; a child alone, giving up a handful of change for a cookie. After watching the crowd for a while, one man in particular catches your eye, in a khaki coat and black slacks. He looks to be in his early or middle thirties, and stands well above the people around him; in fact, you think he's about your height. Also setting him apart is a messy shock of red hair above brown eyes. A foreigner, you suppose, or maybe half, but not looking out of place. He chats amiably with the grocer, though you can't make out the words, and he's clearly buying the ingredients for a home-cooked meal. As he turns to go, however, the man stops dead. As you watch, he seems to inhale deeply, as if carefully and attentively smelling the air. Then his eyes fix on you and widen in shock. Setting his jaw and assuming a look of determination, he strides across the street towards you.
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As he approaches you realize that the man is a ball of mystic energy, more concentrated than in any human you've seen.

>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)

>[ ] Whoever this man is, he clearly has something to do with the Grail War and this crowded street is no place for it. Get out of here! (Compassion/Humility)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)

Also, damn whoever did the color edit of Kira to Rushorou, because I can’t stop making shitty edits using it now.
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)
Ho, you're polevaulting towards me?
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>>3502062
>park bench
oh no
>red hair
>brown eyes
>homecooked meal
Is that Shirou? Good god, why?

>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)

I would go compassion, but I can't pass up this chance.
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)
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Wait, is this actually a bad situation?
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>>3502093
Also it'd be totally out of character for Rushorou to back down from this.

>>3502085
Highjumping*

>>3502098
We're sitting on a goddam BENCH in FATE and
SHIROU
FUCKING
EMIYA
might be walking angrily towards us. Yes. It's bad.
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>>3502103
>spoiler
I will admit that I constantly get the two mixed up because they both involve jumping high.
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YES
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I promised back in thread 1 or 2 that you'd meet a seigi no mikata after the Akeldama War. You didn't think I'd forget, did you?
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)
Ah yes, the Einzbern misunderstanding continues.
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>>3502098
>>3502103
I should also mention that, if this IS Shirou, it's the version of Shirou that killed FSN Berserker with his own weapon. This is a powerful boi, he's probably pissed at us for being Einzbern, and he's going to be very mad that we don't have answers. He won't start magic murder shit in public, but oh boy does he justice when he wants to.

>>3502133
Could this be the beginning of Rushorou's conversion to seigi no mikatadom? Only time will tell.
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Dumb question, but how did we buy food with no money?
So shiro shouldn't start anything with in public right?
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>>3502170
Never doubt SWORD
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>>3502173
But Sword is hidden, we in a butler's suit.
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>>3502175
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>>3502177
What?
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>>3502175
No, Origin/Affinity SWORD
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>>3502179
Not our sword, anon.
We have a sword. He IS a sword.
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>>3502184
>>3502185
Yeah but we aren't murdering people, so he really shouldn't have any issues with us, right?
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>>3502170
Ayaka gave you some spending money with the suit. Also one of her father's watches. No spare key to the mansion, though.
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>>3502200
Ah, okay thanks for answering I must have missed that.
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>>3502199
>look like an Einzbern
I shouldn't have to tell you why you're wrong past this.
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>>3502206
You and the narration.
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>>3502068
>Remain seated
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>>3502208
But that is discrimination, he should know better. Also doesnt he mostly talk first then act if needed?
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)


Whoops forgot to vote.
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>>3502068
Wait is this HF Shirou, Fate Shirou, or UBW Shirou?
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>>3502222
>Call Shirou a dirty racist
L M A O
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>>3502235
HF, ever been over this a few posts up.
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>>3502235
HF was confirmed earlier in-thread, maybe 1000 posts ago
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>>3502235
I think sweets said its HF, but kinda different, something called the prot-verse or something like that.
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>>3502237
Not racist, prejudice. Slightly different.
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>>3502244
>>3502243
>>3502242
Huh well fuck, lets not piss him off.
.
Like asking about his sister.
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>>3502253
We wouldn't know about such a sister.
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>>3502253
Well yeah, hell if we can we shouldn't mention the HGW, but it might be a moot point.
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>>3502244
>>3502243
Neither of these is true. I confirmed that it isn't the protoverse, and although it may have been implied that the route followed in F/SN was Heaven's Feel, nothing is confirmed.
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>>3502255
I am talking about what happens in HF. Even if we knew about her you would not want to mention that to him in a mocking way unless you want to become paste

Anyways if anything he would ask if we are an Eizenberg, or maybe due to having Archer's arm he can sense servants in which case he will figure it out there is going to be another war.

After like 10 pages of inner dialogue.
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>>3502265
Ah fuck I meant Eizenbern, blame the alcohol.
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>>3502265
I just noticed that you were using Illya as an example, I still question why Rushorou would mention her without any knowledge.
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>>3502265
The drunkposting is powerful with you.
This Shirou shouldn't have Archer's arm anymore. His body with Archer's arm attached died when he blew up Angry Manchild. The Shirou we're looking at now was revived via the Third Sorcery, courtesy of Illya.
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>>3502259
Ah, my bad.
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>>3502287
No again I am saying just lets not let slip something that would cause Shirou to interfere with the war or lead to our early deaths, Illya was just a example of what a touchy subject would be.

>>3502288
Its been like five years since I played F/SN so I recall like some major scenes, like his fist fight with a priest over aborting Rosemary's Baby, but not a lot.
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>>3502022
tell me how I know you're on /qa/
>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)
At least he can't copy our sword because it's not made of ordinary metals, but rather our manifested Origin. Right?
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>>3502435
Anon, Shirou once copied a """sword""" that was actually a magic wand made out of gems that he saw in a dream.
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>>3502464
And our magic sword doesn't have any gems in it. Check and/or mate
Also, they needed the blueprints Zelretch left behind to actually make the thing, and it still wasn't perfect like the one he used against Crimson Moon. "gems" leads me to guess this was the Jeweled Sword of Zelretch and not something else I missed somehow
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>>3502068
>[ ] Remain seated and see what he wants before doing anything. (Pride)
>sit on bench
>encounter Archer
Lol
Also OH SHIT AAAAAAAAA
Our nemesis actually reveals himself.
Aaaaand he's gonna either think we're an Einzbern or get triggered by our suit.
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>>3502562
Even if he copied it it would be ranked down and I doubt he could activate it.
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>>3502580
But our Truest Foe is Clint Eastwood. Shirou can be our Secondary or Tertiary but it'll be tough to fit him into another slot
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>>3502583
Clint was our greatest adversary so far but won't always remain that way
He was defeated, after all.
And Shirou is pure bullshit.
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>>3502592
Don't worry, he doesn't have the protag modifier any more.
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>>3502602
>implying this weakens him
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Oh right.
If this is anything like HF True then if Shirou is here, Sakura is here.
And if Sakura is here, Rider is also here.
BUCKLE UP. THE RIDE HAS JUST BEGUN.
also the other Saber might in fact be Saber.
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>>3502662
Is It HF true? I thought Sweets said Shirou blew up the grail, which happens In Good right? Of course he did say nothing was confirmed...

Ah fuck this Is UBW route Emiya Isn't It? That's a scary thought.

>>3502602
You can take Emiya out of the protagonist slot, but you can never take the protagonist out of Emiya. As long as we explain ourselves without being too much of a dick we should be fine. Mostly.
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>>3502611
>>3502681
True, at least this isn't the emiya from the timeline of the magical girl anime.
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>>3502689
We'd be fine if Prillya Shirou showed up.
Miyuverse Shirou is the dangerous one.
>>3502681
>Good
>HF Good
Anon I...
UBW Emiya would probably look like EMIYA about now.
Fate Shirou would be somewhere eating crayons until he manages to get into Avalon somehow and would ALSO look EMIYA-y
Sweets mentioned that Sakura would think we looked a lot like her "shadow".
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>>3502715
I'm not that deep into fate lore...what's the difference between them. Because from what I know of magic girl emyia is that he dominated that version of the HGW.
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>>3502734
In Prisma Illya there are two Shirou's
There's the main timeline version who isn't a sword and didn't go through the Fuyuki Fire (I assume Kerry or Iri just decided to kidnap him one day) he's totally non magical
Then there's Miyu's Brother Shirou.
He is from a doomed timeline, is the strongest Shirou due to class carding EMIYA and the imitation stuff happening and he actively works towards dooming the world to save one person. The best elder brother there is.
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>>3502745
The miyu one is the snow field reality marble? Because if so that's the one I was meaning to reference.
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>>3502746
Yes.
The reason for the snow is because Shinji put a dinnerplate sized hole in Sakura's torso literally during her basically confession when it was snowing and it fucked him right up.
Funfact
Snowfield is the location of the Strange Fake wars in the US so calling Shirou's reality marble that might lead to some confusion.
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>>3502748
Ah, okay. Thanks for all the info. Glad I got to learn more...I dont want to wiki dive again. There was so much.
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Who do you think will be the first Servant to die?
Who will the first Servant we meet be?
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>>3502783
The first Servant to die will be Yumi after we send him to a Bad End against Shirouthe obligatory Hassan who shows up in a proper (read: not Apocrypha or SF) Grail War.
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>>3502715
I doubt any version of Shirou would look like EMIYA, seeing as he would have to be BROWNED by Alaya first.
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>>3502793
Not how it works.
The tan and hair come from a lifetime of overuse of magic circuits.
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>>3502798
I think you mean Time Alter Magecraft
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>>3502805
Fan Service FGOshit. He shouldn't really look like that and god knows why he started wearing red.
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>>3502807
>Fan Service
Anon, you can hardly criticize something on the basis of it being fanservice when F/SN was made because Takeuchi told Nasu to make Arthur a girl for the fanservice cash....
>FGOshit
Without any elaboration whatsoever it just seems like you hate FGO for reasons.
Not that your hatred is totally unjustified, but still.
>He shouldn't really look like that and god knows why he started wearing red
It's the Counter Guardian uniform???
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>>3502820
>It's the Counter Guardian uniform???
Imagine being this wrong.
EMIYA got his armour in life and his capey thing is a holy shroud.
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>>3502859
It's a joke, anon, I know about the shroud
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>>3502783
Lancer or Caster.
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>>3502783
Caster- that weak, subversive fag

Lancer, as per tradition
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Wait, Caster JUST died first.
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We also met Caster first.
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>>3502940
Yeah but I wasn't counting him.
...
Hey guys wanna trigger Shirou beyond belief?
The Fuyuki Fire at the end of the fourth war killed 500 people and was the reason Shirou got involved in the fifth so it couldn't happen again.
This grail war has already killed 1000 before it has even begun.
Even HF Shirou should be triggered by this.
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>>3502955
How would we even segue into mentioning the Akeldama death toll?
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>>3502965
Well he's clearly magical so telling him about the grail war shouldn't be an issue.
We could ask if he's a Master.
Then if he's wondering how bad this could be bring up the 1k deaths from the Akeldama.
We only managed to save 4 people despite our best efforts. The majority of people had died even before servants were summoned and Rider indiscriminately slaughtered the survivors.
The Servant that slays Caster is forced to take his place.
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Pffffthahahaha.
>Medusa is probably still hanging around with Sakura
>we can tell her about Perseus' fantastic jobbing.
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>>3503004
>We only managed to save 4 people despite our best efforts
>despite our best efforts
>despite
>our
>best
>efforts
*slideshow of needless murder plays*
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>>3503012
We came to Assassin's base with the noblest intentions.
They just didn't want to play ball.
...
Sweets, what was Assassin's Master like?
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>>3503012
>monk
It was a duel to the death
>salaryman
Fucker practically held us at gun/swordpoint
>murrican
collateral damage
>biker
was probably gonna kill Adelheid if we didn't

See? Perfectly justified.
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>>3503012
Also what >>3503016 said. We did go over there to see if we can move those people to our place, or otherwise save them from Cid.
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>>3503012
>O'Mordha
Tried to kill us.
>Keiseki
Tried to get us killed and effectively held us at gunpoint.
>Ambrose
Talked a big game, said he wanted to fight, wasn't as fast as he thought he was. Also, we were under the gun time-wise since Adelheid could have broken out of Caster's hold and killed both Caster and us.
>DeLancey
Don't even know if we killed him. Could just as easily have been Archer's handiwork.

We DID save Kikuko, even if we did kinda mind-control her, but we had a damn good reason for that.
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>>3503016
>>3503017
>>3503028
>>3503040
I’m just saying, Rushorou never tried to save anybody that wasn’t quite clearly on his side, serving him. I personally wouldn’t have it any other way.
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>>3503011
>Medusa's affection score has risen.
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>>3503040
Oh, speaking of Ambrose.

Sweets, I don’t suppose you could say if he was just talking a big game or if he really was the real deal?
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>>3503056
>courting Medusa
Why would we want to do that, anon?
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>>3503055
I mean, that's not entirely true.
He went out of his way to save Matsuda, even if it might've been more beneficial to not have bothered.
He honoured his alliance with Truvi as best he could and did his best to warn all his allies of the impending attack.
He's good to those he considers allies/friends/followers and will rip your face off if you attempt to outplay him.
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>>3503067
We need to see if Rushorou's charming ways are limited to working on women that look like teenagers or younger.
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>>3503080
>inb4 we gain a Personal skill that reflects such a propensity
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>>3503096
>Charisma C+
Rises in strength when attempting to persuade or court women.
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>>3503016
>Sweets, what was Assassin's Master like?
A very domineering, wealthy woman in her 40's. Corporate executive and on the BoD for a number of major groups. Philanthropist. Wanted to save everyone, but had to do everything her way. Not a magus.

>>3503057
>Sweets, I don’t suppose you could say if he was just talking a big game or if he really was the real deal?
I'm terms of fighting, Ambrose was about as real as can be. Ex-marine, biker, spent some time in prison, brawls constantly; a real hardcase. Unfortunately for him, not superhuman.

>>3503096
>Personal skill that reflects such a propensity
I'll think on that.
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>>3503121
>Charisma of the Predator C++
>Rises in strength when attempting to persuade or court women, rises further if the woman appears to look below 18 years old.
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>>3503137
>A very domineering, wealthy woman in her 40's.
Euch, too old.

>I'll think on that.
Well, here you have it: >>3503138.
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>>3503138
What a skill
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>>3503137
>A very domineering, wealthy woman in her 40's.
>Corporate executive
We could've had a sexy office lady, FUCK

We should get Circe to dress up as an office lady. That, or introduce us to Medea as her new uncle.
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>>3503137
>actually wanted to save everyone
Now I feel kinda bad she died .

Ambrose did about as well as you'd expect against a superhuman when you aren't magical, even with his background.
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>>3503146
>We could've had a sexy office lady, FUCK
But we couldn't have babbies with her, so what's the point? She would also clash with us, a lot.
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>>3503146
Rushorou’d lose Charisma of the Predator if we did that though...
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>>3503137
>Wanted to save everyone,
Damn, maybe she would have made a good partner-
>but had to do everything her way.
Yeah, that wouldn't have panned out well.

>>3503138
Oh my.
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>>3503138
>... rises further if the female appears to be juvenile
Skimmed that part down a bit. Changed it to female because we managed to keep Truvi on our side and flustered Ayaka, who aren't "women" yet.
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So how do you guys think this conversation will end (assuming no dead end)?
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>>3503244
It needs to at least start before we can guess that anon.

So boys, what does Rushorou get his Mrs. Yumigawa for Mother’s Day? Some salaryman’s severed head?
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>>3503262
A baby.
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>>3503268
...?
Odysseus.
Not Oedipus.
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>>3503183
>because we managed to keep Truvi on our side
Just a note, Truvietianne is 18, and had the most curvaceous figure of the girls at the university.
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>>3503276
The answer is still a baby if she doesn't have one.

>>3503277
No wonder we weren't as effective with her.
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>>3503277
And she was the most difficult of all of our allies for us to deal with...
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>>3503277
That’s pretty weird to think about, considering how she acted.
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>>3503291
Is it? The heroines of Fate/Stay Night are 18, and I didn't think I had her acting more immature.
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>>3503367
I mean only relatively, compared to Kikuko, Circe, and Adelheid.
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Unmoved by the man's determined aspect or energy density, you simply wait. You're no longer inexperienced enough for the appearance of one strange figure to spoil a meal. Instead of getting up or reacting, you simply finish your sweet potato and start in on the taiyaki. Then he's reached you.

For a few moments, the man simply stands over you, looking down into your face. You watch as, in turn and blending together, shock, horror, confusion, and barely suppressed rage appear in his expression. Since he isn't starting the conversation, you decide to speak up. Gesturing to the open space beside you, you say sarcastically, "Feel free to sit down if you like. It isn't taken."

This finally seems to galvanize the man into action, as in a hoarse voice he asks, "Why are you here?" Then, in a more normal tone, "What are you doing back in Japan after fifteen years?"

"Sir," you say coldly, "I don't know you, and I don't believe it's any business of yours where I go or why." Despite your composed reaction, however, you're inwardly thrown. You were only three years old fifteen years ago, ruling out the idea that this man knows anything about you personally. Could he be another person mistaking you for an Einzbern homunculus?

"Sure, you don't know me," he admits, "but I know the Einzberns, at least one of them. I know you shouldn't be here after what happened in Fuyuki. Now tell me, what are you here to do? For that matter, what are you?" Then it all clicks. Fifteen years ago, the year was 2004. The same year Judas set the Akeldama to replicate, saying that he was duplicating the last functional Grail War. If that statement held any truth, that would have been the year the it took place. Could this man be a survivor form that previous Grail War, able to recognize your nature as a Servants? No, in that case why would he be asking what you are? For now, you try to lead him into giving out more information.

"If you know about the Einzberns," you say, "you should know why they're here; what their business is in Japan. But you have me at a disadvantage, sir. I don't know a thing about you. Perhaps I'm the one who should be asking just what you are. Not human, I'm sure."

The red-haired man grits his teeth, looking away with a furious expression. "So it's true," he mutters, half under his breath. "A Servant, and it's all starting again. Here!" Then he snaps his eyes back to you. "You don't know me, a man with your looks? Alright then, tell me, does the name Emiya mean anything to you?"
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It does, in fact. "Emiya" was the name of the man Vaisset compared William Harris, the so-called "Second Magus Killer" to. Would that make this man the original? If he survived the Holy Grail War, it wouldn't be surprising. Judging by his reactions, though, this "Magus Killer Emiya" is unaware of what's going on at the moment. If you can handle him well, this man could become a valuable source of information lacking the bias of a Master. On the other hand, he could just be another risk, another factor in the already overcomplicated scheme of the Grail War. Perhaps it would be best to keep silent.

>[ ] Tell "Emiya" about your experiences and see what he can tell you about the Holy Grail War. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Shut him down and stay quiet. You don't need to deal with this man, whatever he is. (Pride/Duty)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3503502
>[ ] Tell "Emiya" about your experiences and see what he can tell you about the Holy Grail War. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
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>>3503502
>[ ] Tell "Emiya" about your experiences and see what he can tell you about the Holy Grail War. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Oh shit here we gooooo.
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>>3503502
>[ ] Tell "Emiya" about your experiences and see what he can tell you about the Holy Grail War. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
This might just become a shittier storm but fuck it.
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Oh, by the way. Feel free to write in as much detail on what you want to tell Emiya as you like.
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>>3503509
So right, tell him that so far one of the enemy servants dragged 1050 mostly innocent people into a sacrificial noble phantasm where the only way to escape was to kill Caster, of course Caster hid this information and tricked people into killing each other. There were also hostile undead creatures killing people off.
Also tell him that we however managed to summon a servant within the confines of the artificial world (we look like an Einzbern we don't gotta explain shit.) which we used to put Judas Iscariot's cruel game to an end.
And the finishing touch of
"In total among the 1050 people summoned, there were 4 survivors I managed to save."
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>>3503502
>[ ] Tell "Emiya" about your experiences and see what he can tell you about the Holy Grail War. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Shit's about to get very, very real, isn't it?

Let's talk for a bit about how much we should tell the seigi no mikata.
Should we at least tell him about Akeldama?
Should we clear up the Einzbern misunderstanding?
Perhaps clue him in on the presence of the Second Magus Killer?
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>>3503500
>"A Servant, and it's all starting again. Here!"
Wait, has Shirou already made us out as a Servant and not an Einzbern?
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>>3503561
I would say tell him about the Akeldama, that the “grail” in the NP altered our natural form while keeping the Master/Servant part ambiguous. Maybe also keep the murder of non-magi and non-servants under wraps.

Tell him that numerous representatives of the Tower and the Mage Association are present, keeping Vaisset and the Shijou out of the conversation. Admit our position as “Saber” if pushed.
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>>3503570
Nah, he can smell magic but he's almost certainly confused. He probably thinks we're a Master and our servant is in spirit mode.
He's like some sort of bloodhound.
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>>3503575
Idk, at a Magic Rating of B I really doubt he thinks Rushorou a Master.
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>>3503579
Eh, he's met Illya before.
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>>3503571
Yeah actually tell him this for a laff.
"Ten days ago I was just a normal highschooler."
Most of our knowledge of magecraft comes from an Edelfelt magus that was also dragged into the false war.
Don't forget to bring up to 1040+ kill count though.
Oh and mention the Akeldama took place instantaneously from the perspective of the outside so now a thousand people will have just vanished from the world, their families never knowing what happened to them
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>>3503622
>Oh and mention the Akeldama took place instantaneously from the perspective of the outside so now a thousand people will have just vanished from the world, their families never knowing what happened to them
Do you have a deathwish? I prefer >>3503558 over that.
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>>3503570
Either he thinks we're a Master with a Servant in spirit form close by or there was another Servant sighting that he's just now been able to confirm. Probably the former, since he didn't seem to consider that an Einzbern made into a servant somehow wouldn't know the name Emiya.

>>3503571
I agree that we should tell him about Akeldama, but we don't have to give him the play-by-play of the whole damn war. He should forgive us for killing openly hostile enemy Masters, even if they weren't magi, but we don't have to be terribly forward about that.

>>3503579
He can smell it, but that doesn't mean he knows exactly where it is.

Let's make a list of things to tell Shirou:
Tell him about Akeldama and the death toll. Of 1050 drawn in, survivors number five - us and the four we were able to protect.
Let him know that Akeldama ended with Caster's death. Collateral damage should theoretically be minimized with the death of such a reckless servant, but given that there are big names from the Clock Tower here (don't mention any at first), that's not likely to hold true.
Wait until we've gotten what information we can out of this conversation, then tell him we're not what he takes us for (in this case meaning we're not an Einzbern) and that he's not the first to mistake our identity.
Tell him to be careful, since this war seems to have two of his rivals. One looking to break his record, and if his attitude towards our appearance is any indication, one looking to try to break him.

If he asks for our name, should we tell him Saber, tell him Kaichou, tell him Yumigawa Rushorou, or have our True Name vote and tell him that?
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>>3503630
Why would that make him kill us?
We're simply a survivor.
He of all people knows what that is like.
We can even mention wanting to make the magus who authorised it's use pay.
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>>3503634
Support but can we please not compare HF Shirou to Kerry to his face?
Even accidentally?
Just "The Second Magus Killer" and somewhat mentioning the Einzbern should do.
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>>3503639
I was being hyperbolic, under the assumption that you wanted to be sadistic (re: an ass) about it, but the way you framed it is definitely better.
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>>3503644
But Rushorou is assuming that Shirou IS the Magus Killer.
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>>3503649
Yeah but revealing that is revealing our hand.
Also it makes us seem like a liar.
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>>3503652
Alright.
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>>3503652
>Also it makes us seem like a liar.
I can understand not wanting to reveal our hand (though I feel like Shirou is the kind of person who might actually be a boon to us if he knew that we're not in on all this magi crap), but I don't really get this one. How so?
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>>3503672
"I don't know who you are"
And then comparing him directly to the Magus Killer.
We should have no knowledge of the existence of the first Magus Killer Emiya without a long winded explanation and it's easier for him to assume the worst . It just makes us look more suspicious.
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>>3503696
It's not a lie, though. We had no idea who he was until he brought up the name "Emiya," the name he intentionally dropped to try to get us to make a mental connection. And then, acting as though he's the magus killer will probably just show how completely out of the loop we are. Kiritsugu has been dead for 20 years, and Shirou is clearly too young to be him for anyone who knows a good deal about Kiritsugu.

Now, we certainly don't have to deliver the information in that way. It's certainly not a hill I think is worth dying on. If you'd prefer to just mention the Second Magus Killer by name, I don't mind. Although I do think it would be fun to be a bit cryptic about who's involved while also making an in-character blunder.
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>>3503717
I don't mind unless the connection will piss him off and make him think we're taunting him.
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>>3503728
Now we wouldn't know that it would.
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>>3503728
He might get pissed at first if our not-Einzbern nature hasn't sunken in yet, but it will probably fade and be replaced with a much more favorable attitude thereafter once it's clear that we just don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
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>>3503759
I'm genuinely ok with telling him everything we know except
1) 2 extra servants might be around
2) we are a Servant
3) we murder masters
4) we know the Master of Caster
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>>3503770
>3) we murder masters
Hostile masters who wanted us dead. Even Shirou accepts that they need to die sometimes in UBW, his most seigi no mikata route, and holds back from intervening when Archer kills Kuzuki.
I agree that all that ought to be left out, though. There's really not much of a reason to tell him right now.
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>>3503932
Nevermind, that seems unnecessary.
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...and I'm back from Mother's Day celebrations. I'll get started on the update shortly.

>>3503634
>If he asks for our name, should we tell him Saber, tell him Kaichou, tell him Yumigawa Rushorou, or have our True Name vote and tell him that?
This is a significant question. What do you want to say if he asks for your name, folks? Knowing Yumigawa Rushorou probably isn't going to fly, of course.

>>3503946
>Nevermind, that seems unnecessary.
What was it, anon?
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>>3504125
>If he even dares to insinuate that we're a good person for sparing the other 4 survivors, cut him off by citing our kill count. Besides, the energy we could've gained from killing wouldn't have been worth it (this is assuming we tell him what Akeldama does).
Something along those lines.
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>>3504125
Something about laughing off any notion of Rushorou being a good person.

Also, RUSHOROU time.
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>>3504151
fug my ID changed from >>3503946
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>>3504151
Yeah, I can see why you deleted that. Not a good plan.
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>>3504125
We could go by RUSHOROU (The all caps are Important), or we could go by Cipher which was my favorite or any of the other chosen names.

Not that It really matters what he calls us, as long as It's not Saber. We need an alias, even If he knows we're a servant we need an alias.
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So just to confirm, are we going to reference the magus killer record as though it's Shirou's or just reference it neutrally? I'm good with either, but I'd prefer the former.

>>3504125
Since nobody else seems keen to answer, I guess we'll tell him it's Agilmar. People aren't going to buy Rushorou, Kaichou might inadvertently end up putting Matsuda in danger if word about this somehow gets back to him, and I feel like we shouldn't drop the Servant bomb just yet.

>>3504247
Regardless of my opinion on the name, Cipher would be certain to arouse unnecessary suspicion in Shirou. No need to make him think we're a superspy or some shit.

>>3504151
Last I checked, Rushorou wasn't actively trying to be evil.
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>>3504256
Agreed, the former

I maintain my position

Agreed

Also agreed
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>>3504256
>we'll tell him it's Agilmar.
I still prefer Egilhard.
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>>3503502
>Tell "Emiya

Maybe if we seem sympathetic we can get his help. Maybe tell him to watch out there is still one more servant that needs to be summoned.
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>>3504256
Not that I disagree with your point about the name, but-

>Looks like an Einsbern
>Dresses In Angry Manjew colors
>Smells/feels like a servant
>Actually Is a servant

Yes, we're flying below radar as Is. It's the name that'll give us away.
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>>3504125
For the name I prefer to keep our original name. I still dont see the need to change it.

Even if we dont look Japanese anymore using our original name shouldn't be a problem since we haven't decided on a new name; and it is the truth.
We are Yumigawa Rushorou. Even if emiya doesn't believe us. He can do the research and put two and two together with what we might tell him of Akeldama
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Since decision seems to be split, I'm going to have you give him an alias that isn't your True Name and doesn't reveal that you're a Servant.
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>>3504346
Excellent
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>>3504346
DW Sweets, I'm sure we'll eventually come to a decision.
Anons who want to keep the name Rushorou, you realise going with the name of the disappeared schoolboy is gonna put our parents and school in danger?
Agilmar when.
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>>3504369
Agilmar is lame, but I agree that a name change is necessary
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>>3504369
>>3504372
Egilhard
>Egilhard
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>>3504369
>School
No more in danger than they’re already in, what with the war
>Parents
Well...
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>>3504381
Yes yes, an Egilhard is fine too.
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>>3504382
Consider the following:
Ayaka goes to our school.
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>>3504369
True, that is possible. They could also just not believe that we are telling the truth. Especially since we no longer look like we use to.
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>>3504388
>They could also just not believe that we are telling the truth
This is my point. It sounds like the world's most obvious pseudonym coming from a 6'2" foreigner with white hair, red eyes, and page-white skin.
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>>3504388
It's an easily investigateable hint that multiple masters will likely pick up on.
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>>3504396
And this too.
A lie is kinda required.
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>>3504396
>Man who just wants to kill his protagonists’ parents can’t stop manipulating the playerbase
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>>3504405
?????
I'm trying to convince you not to use the name that potentially puts Rushorou's parents in danger.
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>>3504396
There's also the fact that when it comes out we're a Servant CERTAIN people may just assume we're using the name of our master and kidnap our parents/schoolmates anyway.
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>>3504413
>City Akeldama 2: Cowboy Boogaloo
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So, decision time?
Egilhard or Agilmar?
No, you cannot be an idort.
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>>3504421
There are lots of other options on that list that you could choose.
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>>3504424
Still like Cipher If we can't use RUSHOROU for Intelligent reasons.
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>>3504424
I'm a Cipher fan
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>>3504431
Did you know one of the meanings of Cipher is "Someone or something of no importance."?
>>3504424
It'll probably come down between those two.
Then we can do this all over again for a second name.
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>>3504431
>>3504438
I have a similar issue with Cipher that I do with Zero - it's too closely tied to another property that I know and I can't associate it primarily with Rushorou.
He mentioned something interesting. Cipher is pursuing new research. He claims what they're doing in Tokyo is the missing piece. A Noble Phantasm to surpass Metal Gear.
It's also pretty chuuni.
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>>3504424
Obviously bring in the tiebreaker, SeigfriedSigismund
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>>3504445
Well, my own favorites are Alberich, Sigismund, and Athanarich, so you're not far off.
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>>3504452
It's a damn shame you're the QM and can't vote with me.
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>>3504452
Out of all of those the only one I like at all Is Alberich.

That said, Cipher Is still my vote, but Alberich Is the only one of those names I would like.
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>And so the Quest comes to a screeching halt, because the players are forever deadlocked over what new name to choose, never able to come to a majority decision.
>Meta End
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>>3504452
I like Sigismund and Athanarich.
Alberich is a dwarf.
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>>3504480
>Alberich is a dwarf.
But he's also a wizard and a king, and his name literally means elf-king. The dwarf/elf thing is really kind of iffy when you get into Germanic mythology.
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>>3504482
pufu~
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"It means something to me, yes," you say. "I've never met the man myself, but I've heard of him. A man known as the 'Magus Killer.' Known for his brutal methods, and high success rate. A man with a rival in this town, looking to surpass him. You have more than me to worry about, Emiya-san."

Emiya heaves a sigh, and finally sits down beside you. The anger and suspicion on his face drops, and suddenly he looks more resigned than furious. "You know," he says, "I don't think you're lying. If you were an Einzbern trying to play dumb, you'd do it better than that. Your magic is wrong anyway. I guess you really don't know who I am." He gives you one more appraising look before deciding to open up. "I'm Emiya Shirou. Not the magus killer; just a man, living quietly in Tokyo with his family. My father was the Emiya you're talking about, and he's been dead since I was a kid."

"Rupert Jünter," you say, inventing a name off the top of your head. "It's a belated pleasure, Emiya-san. I suppose your father's imitator wouldn't be such a danger to you, in that case. Do you mind telling me why you're so wary of the Einzbern, though?"

"Two reasons," Emiya says, probing your expression. Despite his words, he's still suspicious. "The Einzbern family has an old score to settle with my father, and they picked on me as the next best target. I won't go into the detail, but there was a time when they came hunting for me. The other reason, we both know. The Holy Grail War. They've started it up again and moved it to Tokyo, haven't they?"

"You have me there. The Einzbern are holding the Holy Grail War here, it's true. But what do you care, Emiya-san? If you were a Master, you'd already know, and if you aren't a part of the War it shouldn't matter to you."

"You may not believe me," he answers, "but I'm the kind of person who wants to save everyone; I know that may not be possible, but if I can at least keep the people around me safe, I can be satisfied." Emiya gets to his feet as he speaks, stirred by the emotion in his own words. "I lived through two Holy Grail Wars, one fifteen and one twenty-five years ago, and I can't stand to see that kind of indiscriminate destruction repeated. The mass deaths, the violence, the brutality; even if the Grail really is waiting at the end of it all this time, it isn't worth it!" Then he turns back to you, a new look of cold contempt in his eyes. "But I guess a magus like you wouldn't care, would you? You came all the way here to kill for your wish, after all."

All of a sudden, you can't help but laugh. It all just strikes you as too funny. His self-righteous attitude, his condemnation, his assumptions. You burst into laughter, unrestrained guffaws spilling out of you. "Fuhuhuhu~hahahaha~bwahahahahahaha~hahahahaha~!"
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>>3504489
I see.
I wouldn't hate the name.
>>3504480
Athanaric
>From the Gothic name Athanareiks, derived from the Germanic element athana meaning "year" combined with ric meaning "power, ruler". Athanaric was a 4th-century ruler of the Visigoths
Hmm
Sigismund
>Sigismund (variants: Sigmund, Siegmund) is a German proper name, meaning "protection through victory"
SIIIEEEEEG also neat.
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After you've run out of breath, you finally regain enough control to speak. "Alright, Emiya. Let's talk about collateral damage, and why I wound up in this War. Caster was summoned some time ago, and used his Noble Phantasm, Akeldama, to do something he and his Master thought would win him the War. It created some kind of an enclosed world, and summoned into its power a thousand and fifty people from around the world, including me. There, over the course of ten days that were only a moment to the outside world, he tricked his captives into killing one another. Our deaths were supposed to serve as a sacrifice, to enhance his power in this world. Only I and a few others survived, and that was by killing Caster. Unfortunately, when I escaped Caster's world I was left here in Tokyo, rather than being sent home. Forced to participate in this Grail War that I want no part of. If you're a magus, you should be able to sense the truth of that from the energy around me."

Emiya stares at you, with a face like the world has come crashing down on his head. Words slip numbly from stunned lips. "Over... a thousand people dead? Already? Oh god, it's worse." But the weakness lasts no more than a few seconds before color, along with a look of steely resolve, comes back into his face. He puts a hand on your shoulder. "Alright Jünter," he says. "I've been in your position. If what you're telling me is true, I'm sure we can work together to save the people of Tokyo from the danger of a Holy Grail War. Now," he gestures down the street, "you're a stranger here, with no place to stay, right? From what you told me, probably no money either. Why don't you come back to my place and have some dinner? I can lend you a room, too."

>[ ] Take Shirou up on his offer and follow him back to the Emiya residence. Vaisset has his command spells and telepathy in case something goes wrong, after all. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Make up an excuse for declining and return to the Shijou manor. You're not sure about letting this Emiya character string you along. (Duty/Pride) (Write in your excuse)

>[ ] Respond differently (Write in)
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>>3504511
>[ ] Take Shirou up on his offer and follow him back to the Emiya residence. Vaisset has his command spells and telepathy in case something goes wrong, after all. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Well, time to say hello to Sakura.
And uhm.
Rider.
"Actually, I'm Saber." Will probably eventually come up now.
Oh boy.
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>>3504511
>[ ] Take Shirou up on his offer and follow him back to the Emiya residence. Vaisset has his command spells and telepathy in case something goes wrong, after all. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
I can’t *not* take this hook, line, and sinker.
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We cannot go with Shirou, the War is going to start soon. I can't think up an excuse, though.
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>>3504511
>Forced to participate in this Grail War that I want no part of.
Wot. We have to win this grail war though
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>>3504526
You're saying that we willingly chose to become a Servant, with our wish being further away that we supposed it should have been?
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>>3504526
You were lying, anon. Playing to his implied sympathies.
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>>3504511
>[ ] Make up an excuse for declining and return to the Shijou manor. You're not sure about letting this Emiya character string you along. (Duty/Pride) (Write in your excuse)
I have no choice but to win this war. I have other business to attend to. Best of luck in protecting the innocent.
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>>3504511
>[ ] Take Shirou up on his offer and follow him back to the Emiya residence. Vaisset has his command spells and telepathy in case something goes wrong, after all. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
Probably going to need to mention at some point that we got turned into a Servant.

>>3504522
The excuse would be "sorry, I'd go with you but I'm Saber so I gotta protect my master."

>>3504526
Well, we certainly didn't want to get fucked by Judas into playing round two as a Servant.
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>>3504511
>[ ] Take Shirou up on his offer and follow him back to the Emiya residence. Vaisset has his command spells and telepathy in case something goes wrong, after all. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
When Write-In Man can't come up with an excuse, you know there isn't a good one.
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This is why I you don't use beloved canon characters OP. Totally derails the quest for purely OOC reasons. I don't know why Rushurou would ever want to work with Shirou IC.
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>>3504541
I thought I made it really clear. The advantage to working with Shirou is that he's a source of information on the Grail War that isn't your Master: a man who has a vested interest in keeping you ignorant and subservient.
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>>3504541
We haven't exactly agreed to help him yet. As a survivor of two grail wars, Emiya clearly has information, and Rushorou could definitely benefit from it. At the very least, we'll benefit from establishing some sort of communication with Emiya and then going back home before it gets dark out.
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>>3504541
The IC reason is clearly there, stop screeching, you autist.
Shirou is just about one of the few people who know how fucked the war is.
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>>3504500
>"I'm Emiya Shirou. Not the magus killer; just a man, living quietly in Tokyo with his family.
>family
>implying children
>Shirou children
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>>3504575
>in this episode, Shirou invites a powerful magical stranger into his house.
He's never going to learn his lesson about being too nice is he?
At least I doubt this will become a fight unless Rider decides to fuck with us.
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>>3504590
I now want a Full House parody of Fate/HF.
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>>3504590
Inviting powerful magical strangers into his house is kind of Shirou's MO.
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>>3504596
*Fate after HF
A Full House Heaven's Feel route doesn't sound family friendly.
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>>3504575
>Shirou might have a very young daughter
>we might Charisma of the Predator a worm-sword turbo autist hybrid
This is getting dangerous.

>>3504597
I'm pretty sure Taiga and Shinji are the only not-powerful magical people to enter his house in FSN, and even then neither are strangers and Taiga is the only one who doesn't clear any of the conditions.
I don't think Issei ever actually comes to Shirou's house in FSN.
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>RUSHOROU enters the Emiya home
>Sakura has a veritable panic attack about a male, tall version of evil her waltzing in the door with her husband
>Shirou misunderstands this and attempts to convince Sakura not all Germans are evil

Also
>Inb4 one of the Emiya children becomes the master of Rider somehow, and Rushorou is confronted with the decision of murdering a child during/after a fight between him and Rider.
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>>3504611
Rushorou needs to learn that not all lolis are the ideal ethnostate of a charismatic fuhrer somehow
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>>3504617
>Sakura has a veritable panic attack about a male, tall version of evil her waltzing in the door with her husband
Dunno how he missed that, now that you mentioned it.
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>>3504611
>Charisma of the Predator
We don't have that, yet.
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>>3504630
You need to do Saber of Imaginary Numbers' interlude first to rank the skill up.
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>>3504626
He just thinks Rushorou is a funny looking foreigner. Aren’t all germanics terrifying albinos?
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>>3504631
On the one hand, it's a strong skill that would help us even if we don't face many female opponents. On the other hand, we'll forever be known as a lolicon in life and death.
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>Everyone thinks he married Sakura and had two children
>mfw it's Arturia and the children are Mordred and Illya (passed off as a daughter)
Yes, I know it's impossible
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>ywn a Mordred
Life is pain, but I digress.
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>>3504511
>Go back with Emiya
If he is this helpful maybe we can explain that we were changed into a Servant. We mean 100% no harm, just some info.

Also if he married Sakura and had kids maybe make sure they don't accidentally summon a Servant.

If we play the cards right then maybe we can have someone who can keep Ayaka safe at their home. Also maybe we can be special guest stars at this episode of "What is cooking in the Emiya household"
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>>3504679
>Also maybe we can be special guest stars at this episode of "What is cooking in the Emiya household"
Maybe we can learn cooking from Shirou...
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>>3504679
>Also maybe we can be special guest stars at this episode of "What is cooking in the Emiya household"
So you'd like me to make two thirds of the next update composed of detailed step-by-step cooking instructions?
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>>3504690
Joke answer: yes, don't be lazy

Real answer: Nah if we eat there just say he made something delicious.
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Let's say this Sakura went and participated in the Grail War and did a compatibility summon.

Would she get Parvati or Kama?
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>>3504708
BB
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>>3504708
No, because those are goddesses and divine spirits can only be summoned into mortal bodies as pseudo-Servants. A normal Servant has to be a Heroic Spirit. Brynhildr might work for Sakura, though.
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>>3504708
Probably Parvati, since she's more Sakura-like, being originally female. Kamala was male
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>>3504714
But also >>3504713
The Grail ideally shouldn't be summoning Pseudo-Servants, and something would have to be very wrong if it did.
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>>3504714
Thanks for reminding me. Shouldn't have said "goddesses" in the previous post. Divine spirits, anyway.
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>>3504713
you forget that they can be summoned without being a pseudo-servant if they take a major hit to their powers. Its just that most deities don't want to take that nerf.
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>>3504714
>Kamala
*Kama
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>>3504632
Sakura and Rider might be spooked a little.
Everyone will become Incredibly spooked if we shift into our Servant armour though.
Hopefully not enough to attack us though.
Though we are Saber so who knows?
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>>3504782
That's meant to read "Who knows we might do well enough to not get killed by the Shirou, Rider and Sakura combo."
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>>3504783
Rider is not an autofail because we resist Cybele and lolnope Bellerophon.

Sakura will depend on what she has that isn't angry manjuice powers, because I doubt she would want to use those. but who knows?

Shirou will likely be the most dangerous, followed closely by Medusa. Sakura is a wildcard
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Should we get it Charisma of the Predator affects:
>Circe
>Adelheid
>all Arturias except big tits Lancer (lmao)
>Jack
>Medea Lily
>Elizabeth Bathory
>Child Medusa and her sisters
>Nursery Rhyme
>Chacha
>Wu Zetian
>Shuten Douji
>Ibaraki Douji
>Helena
>Mordred
>Abigail
>Medb (???) (maybe?)
>Nobunaga
I probably missed quite a few, but this was just being overly critical. Turns out lots of servants look pretty juvenile. Also Medb is really short and Golden Rule (Body) makes her look young enough I think, so that's fun.
What a terrifying skill.
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>>3504796
If we do end up fighting to kill we just need to kill Sakura and run.
Rider is an issue though because her eyes are a pain.
Let's not talk casually about killing Sakura, OK? She's a good girl.
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>>3504798
There's also the fanservice Servants:
>Louhi/Illya
>Kuro
>Meltlilith

Among non-fanservice:
>Serenity (maybe but I wouldn't count on it)
>That loli from 100-Faced Hassan
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>>3504806
>She's a good girl.
Silly anon, all those who oppose SigismundYumigawa are badong.
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>>3504807
>Serenity
Doesn't Conceptual Biology make us immune to her poison?
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>>3504818
As I suggested earlier and Sweets then confirmed, yes.
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>>3504823
That's a pretty great fuckin skill.
It might not give immunity to being shivved in the back by an obviously poisoned dagger though.
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>>3504798
It would certainly make for some comedic relief when somebody with the ability to discern Personal Skills finds it, that's for sure. [nervous laughter]

>>3504818
>>3504823
I imagine that she would cling to us like a koala, to make up for all the time she spent hugless, and it's adorable.
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>>3504807
Forgot Jing Ke.

Whose poison we also laugh at.
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>>3504831
Yes that could be... awkward.
But also hilarious. I do wonder if such a skill is actually possible to acquire.
>FGO Rushorou's CotP gives more buffs to servants depending on whether they are female or look younger than 18.
Being mostly immune to poison is the perfect skill for a king. Serenity's reaction would be priceless.
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>>3504844
What would Conceptual Biology do?
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>>3504844
>I do wonder if such a skill is actually possible to acquire.
Personal Skills are generally derived from one's life experiences, so...
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>>3504854
Probably a debuff clear.
Maybe immunity to debuffs for a few turns.
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>>3504857
How many lolis and teenagers must we seduce?
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>>3504885
We don't have to seduce them, per se, just have a few around us at most times and the rumors will make themselves for our Heroic Spirit.
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>>3504893
First we have to find them again...
where are you Circe? Adelheid? Where have you gone?
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So how badly do you think Sakura would react to our initial appearance? I doubt she would openly freak out, like go into hysterics, since it's been 15 years.
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>>3504941
15 years with Shirou, mind you.
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>>3504941
>>3504949
>implying Sakura is the one we need to worry about.
Rider, anon.
At least we'll be meeting her under the best possible circumstances.
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>>3504997
>Rider, anon.
Touché.
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>>3505023
Of course the servant that would be most triggered by our appearance would be Saber, if that whole contract she made with Alaya is still in effect it's likely she'll show up. The real question is what happened to Avalon after Shirou's original body exploded into swords. She'll probably be back to normal and unaltered if she shows up, at least.
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Should probably make a new thread soon, Sweets.
Hueg threads tend to cause potatoes to lag.
And we passed the bump limit half the thread ago.
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>2.1% of a 1491 reply thread is actual quest updates
That’s a healthy quest if I’ve ever seen one.
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>>3505435
Meaning?
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Sorry to kind of fade out last night and this morning, folks. IRL work has its hold on me again.

>>3505425
I'll make a new one after the next update.
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>>3505442
Meaning players are active and into it enough to discuss amongst themselves.

>>3505452
Hurry and break 1500 before Sweets can make a new thread!
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>>3505442
What ID said, but also that there were 32 posts worth of updates. In a lesser thread 2.1% would be pathetic, but at over 1400 replies it’s great.
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>Rushorou, while on his way out of the Emiya home after fighting 2004!Rider, the newly summoned 2019!Rider, and Shirou to a standstill all on his lonesome
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>spoiler
Post yfw Artoria is actually in this War.
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>>3505507
>and nearly every single one of her stats are better than ours.
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1498 for FUCK KEISEKI
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>>3505507
Her master might be a proper mage, too.
We're so fucked if that's the case.
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>>3505531
>tfw with our cloak and sword we can do to an Excaliblast and Saber what she used Avalon to do to Enuma Elish and Gilgamesh.
Big laff.
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>>3505541
We can survive an Excalibeam, sure, but not losing and winning aren't the same thing. Don't forget the following:
>Nosells Gae Bolg because fuck you, luck stat
>Nopes out of a properly-executed Tsubame Gaeshi and kills Assassin in the same stroke because fuck you, Instinct A
>Explicitly stated to be powerful enough to take on Berserker and win when receiving her power from Rin in UBW
>Gets beaten in Heaven's Feel only by Rider and Archer-armed, seal-released Shirou working together while under performance-dampening pressure from Cybele
>Sweets has vowed to minimize jobbing in AM, so we can't count on plot to win
Our odds are poor.
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>>3505572
But ID, what if we roll a 99?
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>>3505579
For planning, and then a 20 for execution?
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>>3505572
>start the fight by killing her Master with the most unexpected weapon for any Saber to use: A fuckton of C4 we pilfered from that second magus killer prick or from a random military base.
What now Saber?
Anyway we can probably run towards her using the cloak as a defence during an Excaliblast and then performing a OHKO with the sword.
Also she's got a nasty unhealing wound from Gay Bulge for the majority of FSN, she just fights through it most of the time.
The Tsubame Gaeshi wasn't properly performed because Sasaki's Sword was damaged allowing her to dodge. Performed flawlessly the technique is absolutely undodgeable.
>take on Berserker and win
Unlikely considering that Godhand will ruin her unless she can somehow kill him 12 times with one Excaliblast.
Berserker Herc wins most wars unless you summon EMIYA or Gilgamesh who actually have the means to kill him enough without relying on a Caliburn tier asspull.
Saber Alter is borked because she has unlimited energy and has absolutely no need to ever hold back.
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I just want to win a quiet Grail War.
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>>3505579
>>3505588
>counting on dice rolls to kill Saber
>when Sweets hates dice rolls for dooming Akeldama Saber, the catalyst for using die rolls less overall

>>3505600
>Anyway we can probably run towards her using the cloak as a defence during an Excaliblast and then performing a OHKO with the sword.
This assumes that Saber and her master would decide that we warrant an Excaliblast. Saber is even less likely try it in the densely-populated city of Tokyo.
>Unlikely considering that Godhand will ruin her
Pic related.
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>>3505659
The artstyle clashes somewhat but I knew that would happen and it's probably the best we're going to get.
also
Bonus higher res full version of the head with the background removed for the other guy making edits
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>>3505659
Beautiful work anon

>>3505663
>Plot important Saber’s life is in the hands of the dice gods
I’ll take that bet
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>>3505672
Yay, now my shitty phone edits will be marginally better. We don’t deserve you actual edit anon
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>>3505659
Not bad, all things considered. He looks a hell of a lot younger here than in his character portrait and I'm not really sure why (though it fits, he's not exactly old).
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>>3505659
Nice work, anon! Very clean edit.

>>3505698
I think it's because there's less verticality to the face due to the angle change, making the facial proportion seem a bit less adult.
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>>3505711
How old does Rushorou actually look appearance wise now?
Because Kira is 33 years old.
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>>3505723
I presume around 20, since that's the age we gave to the gaggle of girls.
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>>3505723
Part of the reason why I picked Kira as a model for Rushorou's portrait was because he has that sort of indeterminate age appearance. I'll believe that he's 33, but if it said in the character material that Kira were 21, I'd believe that just as easily. It's the same situation with Rushorou; he could be anywhere from 20 to 40, guessing his age from his looks.
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>>3505737
>40 years old
Jotaro being unaging for no reason will never not be funny, In fact he looks younger as a 40 year old than he does as a 17 year old.
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>>3505711
>angle change
Speaking of which, if anybody wants to go hunting through the JJBA color scans for a straight-on shot of Kira's face, that would make things more convenient.

>>3505723
To expand on the timelessness thing, the original idea was for Rushorou to be transforming into something resembling a marble statue, in line with Circe's desire for you to become a hero. If you meet an Einzbern, you'll find out that your eyes are actually a bit darker then theirs. More of a wine red than Illya's ruby-red coloring.
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>>3505781
>the original idea was for Rushorou to be transforming into something resembling a marble statue
>transforming into something resembling a marble statue
>probably about to meet Rider
Foreshadowing?
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>>3505810
It's a damn shame that we aren't immune to curses, or whatever her eyes fall under...
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>>3505818
Between our Magic Resistance and Magical Energy ranks, we should be able to resist Rider's petrification. There's no escaping the pressure, though...
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>>3505824
Magic Resistance does affect how much mystic eyes can do to you. Magical Energy is a measure of how efficiently you use the energy supplied to you by your Master (any Servant functions as an amplifier, but the degree depends on the stat.).
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>>3505833
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate/stay_night)#Cybele
For Cybele specifically, Magical Energy specifically determines how well you can resist it (if I recall, petrification has to do with Rider's energy invading your magic circuits or something like that, which is why your magical energy matters). B rank is right on the borderline between whether or not you get petrified, so other factors (like Magic Resistance) make the difference.
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>>3505847
[citation needed], but alright, I can run with that. I try to avoid the wiki when possible because they don't cite facts properly. The only source used in the entire section on Cybele is for the detail about them getting stronger if you let down your guard.
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>>3505865
Here it is straight from the status screen in HF.
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>>3505878
No, but Magical Energy being the criterion for resistance was up for debate.
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>>3505872
How convenient. Really makes me wonder why they didn't bother to cite the thing on the wiki page.
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Remember that collateral damage is possible with the eyes, though.
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>>3505872
I doubt that Magic Resistance would work, since the description makes a point of saying that it "cancels the spell" rather than rejecting external energy.
It would come down to whether or not Cybele is a Magecraft, which I'm not sure Mystic Eyes are.
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>>3505949
So we'd end up like EMIYA.
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>>3505949
>>3505978
I'm curious how Cybele would interact with Conceptual Biology. I can't really say one way or the other if it would help resist or not.
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>>3506002
It wholly depends on what falls under "and other harmful things", which I think is stuff like gasses and other things that can be taken into our body.
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>>3506002
Basically hostile toxins and concoctions.
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>>3506002
No, it only applies to poisons, not to all Magical Energy trying to harm Yumi.
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"That's very kind of you, Emiya-san," you say. "I'll happily to take you up on the offer, though I am rather surprised. How can you trust me?"

Emiya gives you a smile, no doubt meant to assuage fear you don't really feel. "Like I said, I want to save people. I couldn't just leave you here to go through all this on your own."

You stare at the man for a moment, trying to process what you're seeing. A complete stranger, who recognizes you as having the hereditary look of his worst enemies, and he's inviting you into his home this earnestly? He's either the most good-hearted person you've ever met or he's planning some kind of deception. Surely it should be the latter, but you can't make out the faintest hint of malice or deceit in his eyes. Perhaps he truly is honest. In which case, you've just gained a very valuable pawn in this Holy Grail War.

"If that's the way you feel, I certainly won't turn my nose up at your hospitality," you say. "Lead on, Emiya-san."

You follow Emiya through the shopping district, and then out, returning to the suburbs. Here, though, the houses change. You're not walking through tree-lined lanes flanked by splendid manor houses any longer, but a more ordinary residential zone of the same kind you grew up in. The homes are large enough for a family without being conspicuous, and taste, rather than luxury, seems to be the governing agent in their decoration.

Emiya doesn't speak as you go, hurrying along towards your destination in silence. For all his hospitality, he's evidently still uncomfortable with your appearance. He keeps glancing at your hair and, oddly, at your suit; peeking out of the corner of his eye as if he thinks you won't notice. It's an oddly childish gesture, one you can't help finding a bit endearing.

Finally you arrive at a large house; not much different from its neighbors, it has a well-kept front garden, a predominantly gray color scheme, and a low front wall around the yard. The only thing that does set the building apart from its neighbors is its size. With two floors and a large footprint, the house certainly gives the impression that Emiya has something of a large family.

No, wait. Taking a closer look, you realize that there is something else setting the Emiya house apart after all: a bounded field. It's very thin, almost undetectable and too weak to really function as a barrier, but it is there. An undeniable marker that this is the home of a magus.

"This is it," Emiya says. "Not a mansion, but it's home." Then he leads you in, calling into the house as he opens the door, "Sakura, everyone, I'm home! We have a gu-"
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As Emiya is speaking, a massive magical presence surges towards you. The source is a tall woman with long pink hair and glasses, dressed casually in a turtleneck and jeans. She darts around the corner from the inner part of the house into the front hall, lunges towards you and materializes a pair of bizarre nail-like weapons to stab at your throat. In the sliver of a moment before she strikes home, you read the blow, slide your right foot back to avoid it, and catch her by the wrists, keeping the nails at arm's length.

-est." Emiya finishes lamely, carried by the forward momentum of his sentence.

There's no doubt about it. This woman is a Servant, although you can't guess her class from her weapons. Emiya's been stringing you along, setting you up to die here. You manage a self-deprecating chuckle. "You really got me, Emiya. Even knowing your nickname, I still let you lead me into this trap. How many people have you fooled 'hero' act of yours?" The pink-haired Servant is struggling against you, and it takes all you have to hold her arms back; for such a slender woman, she's phenomenally strong!

Emiya's reaction shocks you, however. Rather than finishing you off, he snaps at the female Servant. "Rider, what are you doing? I'm trying to help this man, not kill him!" Rider? This is all getting more and more strange. According to Vaisset, Rider hadn't been summoned yet this afternoon. Besides that, Emiya lacks the command spells of a Master. Just what is going on here?

Before you can get the explanation you want, however, Rider has one for Emiya. "Shirou," she says, cold fury underlying an almost level tone, "have you lost your wits? This man is a Servant."

"A Servant?" Emiya repeats her words, shocked. "Sure, he has one around, but..." he looks back at you. "Jünter, what's going on here?" His surprise and confusion is genuine enough that you find yourself believing him again. Or maybe this whole situation is just so bizarre that you've completely lost your convictions.

In any case, you decide advocate for a truce, at least for the moment. "You have me at a disadvantage here, really," you say. "If you'll stop trying to cut my throat for a moment, Rider, I'd be happy to explain, but we can hardly talk right now."
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During this interchange, another woman has come out into the hall. She's a bit older looking, around Emiya's age, with purple hair and eyes, a lavender skirt with a cream sweater, and a red ribbon in her hair. Before you can take notice of her appearance, however, what strikes you is the overwhelming mystic energy she carries with her. More than Emiya, more than the Servant who attacked you... more than anything you've seen! Whatever else it may be, this house you've entered is a den of monsters. Despite the absurd power she holds, however, this new addition looks more frightened than either Emiya or the Rider. She stares at you, standing perfectly still and wide-eyed, her face pale with fear. Your hair, your eyes, your clothing; she scrutinizes all of it from down the hall before finally working up the nerve to say, "Rider, come back here. Senpai chose to bring this man into our home, and we should hear him out."

Without a word to you, Rider dispels her weapons and, once you've let go of her wrists, leaps backwards down the hall. In one bound, she's standing protectively at the woman's side. Looking at the three people: Emiya, Rider, and the unnamed woman, you heave a small sigh. They're undoubtedly dangerous. If you leave now, you could probably get away from them, but you would be forfeiting your only link to the two Holy Grail Wars of the past. On the other hand, you have no idea how these people will react if you tell them the truth.

>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)

>[ ] Use the moment of peace to escape from the monster at the end of the hall. (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)
We've come this far and there was clearly a misunderstanding. Besides, I doubt they would let us go, after putting them on edge, so easily.
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)
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>>3506042
>Materialize your armor
Lets sit them down and have them calm down first.

Lets tell them all about what happened to us including being summoned, keeping us in a decent light.
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)
So yeah, last kick in the teeth from the Akeldama is that Caster baited us into becoming a Servant in his place. Couldn't exactly show this off in the market, y'know. Sorry about that. Please don't kill us.
Should probably come clean about our whole situation, but ask them to keep it under wraps. Vaisset doesn't know the truth and there's no telling how he'd react.

>>3506025
>>3506036
I'm not so sure. Sweets said that Conceptual Biology is what prevents Reinforcement Magic from being very effective on Rushorou, and that's all about pouring magical energy into something to strengthen its capabilities.
>>3494477
>You're a magically anchored conceptual existence
>you're already more of a ball of magical effects than an an existence to be affected
Given this, Cybele might actually struggle quite a bit since it (presumably) can't turn something like Gae Bolg to stone.
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>>3506072
>Cybele might actually struggle quite a bit since it (presumably) can't turn something like Gae Bolg to stone
Huh, I'm still skeptical until the story or Word of God proves it.
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>Shirou is almost working himself into Rushorou’s good graces already
Jesus Christ, what strength of character.
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>>3506183
And he hasn't even started high-jumping yet...
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>>3506191
>high-jumping
Rushorou would end up going gay if that happened, tbdesu.
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Here’s some Kira, in case colouring anon wants some different angles
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>>3506196
>mfw we cuck Sakura and turn Shirou into our housewife.
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>>3506202
Más

>>3506203
“No”
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>>3506203
Bold of you to assume we'd be the seme
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>>3506191
He probably saw that on a field trip and forgot about it because he was an emotionless android back then.
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>>3506208
He was a fucking baby back then.
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>>3506209
An emotionless baby android.
And I wouldn't put it past Kaichou to organize a field trip as a kindergartener.
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>>3506203
>implying we cuck Sakura
>implying Shirou isn't going to cuck Circe and Adelheid while we go live as part of the Emiya family, abandoning our dreams of heroism and rulership to spend the rest of our life in the cooking show
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>>3506215
Hey he does make good food.
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>>3506215
>implying Circe doesn't come back to rescue Yumigawa in a cooking contest
>implying the power of love doesn't allow Circe to pull out a narrow victory but she's disqualified because Shirou is transforming into a pig
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)

Let's try and see if they would like to sit down and talk after we show our armor. That way we can be somewhat relaxed when we explain most of what we went through.


We might have to repeat some of what we already told emiya to rider and sakura.
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>>3506335
Excellent coloration!
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>>3506191
Out of curiosity, should I be reading Emiya's lines with Shirou's VA or Archer's VA In mind? He seems to have not gone full tragic JUSTICE this timeline but he Is an adult now, I'm picturing him to have the build and more deepened voice Archer has, despite the more Innocent and less cynical tone he speaks In.

Kind of odd to picture, really. But I like It.
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>>3506367
If you've played FGO he might look a bit like Archer's stage 2 ascension minus the hair and tan
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>>3506367
Interesting question. After giving it some thought, I'd say it's Archer's VA doing a performance as Shirou, if that makes sense. Heaven's Feel is the route where he ends up farthest from Archer character-wise, after all; in writing him I've mainly been pulling from Shirou, not Archer.
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>>3506388
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. It's Archer's VA, but he sounds like Shirou.

Not that we didn't suspect It already, but at least Heaven's Feel Is now confirmed.
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>>3506398
It's the only route where Shirou ends up possessing abnormally high mystic energy, so I felt like I'd confirmed it a bit ago. For anyone still waiting for an official declaration, though, the FSN route was indeed Heaven's Feel.
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>>3506042
>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)
Went about as well as I expected.
Better, actually.
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>>3506183
Shirou is so likeable that an evil man possibly bent on world domination who just last week found out he had emotions can't help but like him.
What a nice guy.
Can't wait to tell him about the circumstances of us becoming Saber and the false grail war of Akeldama.
And that Caster was fucking Judas Iscariot with Longinus as his Assassin servant.
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>>3506506
>Can't wait to tell him about the circumstances of us becoming Saber and the false grail war of Akeldama.
Hey, he knows about Greek witches, doesn't he? We can bond over that.
>And that Caster was fucking Judas Iscariot with Longinus as his Assassin servant.
This was very likely the reason they didn't get along.
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>>3506518
Iirc in HF Medea dies like an absolute scrub.
I don't even remember if they ever found out who she was.
She's just catatonic when they confront her because (off-screen) Zouken tricked her into killing Souichirou so Saber just kind of kills her.
I mean, he might know about Medea from Rule Breaker at least. But it's not like she personally fucked with him in HF.
We can however bond over the fact that the guy claiming to be the organiser and a priest was actually one of the worst people to exist ever and we beat the everloving shit out of him in a brawl.
And losing our servants.
And not technically being human anymore.
Shirou is already worried about our pinstripe red and black suit so actually seeing the Cloak of Imaginary Numbers (name pending) will definitely spook him.
And Rider.
And also Sakura.
Uh oh.
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>>3506651
>Shirou is already worried about our pinstripe red and black suit so actually seeing Kenotis (I think that what the people voted for) will definitely spook him.
>And Rider.
>And also Sakura.
>Uh oh.
On the bright side, Sakura probably wouldn't let Rider gib us before we explain ourselves.
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>>3506726
There's the chance we could actually defeat Rider in a fight regardless.
We're a Saber with bullshit Noble Phantasms now after all.
Not that we should because Rider is just trying to protect Sakura (and Shirou, to a somewhat lesser extent) and we legitimately have no intention of harming anyone.
Well except maybe Rider until we're told about the nature of her existence.
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>>3506763
Ah yes, killing Sakura and running like a motherfucker would also work very well at dealing with all of them.
IF we could escape after that.
But Rider would probably go full Gorgon in her attempt to kill us and Shirou would also go absolutely mental.
Let's not kill any of them though please.
They've all gone through enough as is and deserve their happy ending.
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>>3506851
>Ah yes, killing Sakura and running like a motherfucker would also work very well at dealing with all of them.
Who are you responding to?
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>>3506860
Myself, I was thinking of the easiest way to win.
Which would be to kill Sakura as she provides the energy for both of them.
But then it probably becomes a mutual kill.
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>>3506337
Thank ye Sweets, how's this?
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>>3506870
Oh, alright then.
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>>3506995
Very nice.
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>>3506995
Oh, that is just great! I love it! New character portrait, right there!
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>>3506995
It's good but where's the burgundy?
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>>3507028
Can't you see the thin red stripes?
That edit is actually pretty god damn perfect.
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>>3507047
Iactually didn't because my screen was too dark.
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>>3506995
Beautiful
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>>3506995
Classy. Damn good work anon.
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Well after lurking for so long reading through this, time I put in my first post here. You've done fan-fucking-tastic work Sweets I gotta say. Hell you inspired me to try a Fate quest myself someday

>>3506042

>[ ] Materialize your armor and admit to being Saber. (Pride)

Best get it outta the way, besides better to have Shirou as an ally than enemy in short and long term. And Sakura too
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>>3507521
And Rider too.
Funnily enough, Rider has quite a bit in common with Circe.
Being an ex goddess stuck on an island who kills the majority of trespassers.
Also Perseus got shot in the chest and died like a pleb so that's bound to brighten her day.
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>>3506042
Escape
I feel like putting on the armor could be seen as aggressive in the moment
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>>3507591
We could put it on piece-by-piece.
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>>3506042
Let's only reveal the armour after we've explained everything to them
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>>3507591
>running from the servant with a higher agility parameter than us and the ability to fuck us up further with Cybele
Now that's just gonna go poorly.
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>>3507606
Either way we're completely at their mercy. Coming here at all was questionable as shit
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>>3507641
Not really.
Not like we had any way of knowing that Shirou is...
Well...
Shirou.
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>>3507521
Great to have you onboard! I hope you enjoy the coming story as much as you've enjoyed what I've written so far.

As you all have surely surmised, I'm again in the grip of work. Hopefully I'll be able to get an update out tonight; in any case, the update pace should pick back up over the next couple of days.
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>inb4 learning Medusa’s identity puts Rushorou into a depression again
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>>3507695
How?
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>>3507695
lewd.
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>>3507701
>Oh look, another legendary Greek Heroic Spirit
>legendary Greek Heroic Spirit....
>Circe-Chan pls come back I never appreciated you properly
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>>3506995
I think I prefer this head on the armour too, actually.
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Different energies to them.
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>>3507753
"I'm going to fucking end your life immediately" vs "Hello."
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>>3507803
“Perish, dog” versus *condescension intensifies*
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>>3507803
"I will not let you get in the way of my quiet life" vs "I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at but I know I dislike it"
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>>3507753
God, I miss Circe...
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>>3507974
fuck
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>>3507681
Sweets, who should be Yumi's VA? Rikiya Koyama or Toshiyuki Morikawa?
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>>3508021

Added question, will we be able to grow further in power? I'd hope so. But honestly I'm just paranoid about our competition because of a hypothetical 6 opponents we'll be facing
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>>3508025
Given that Yumigawa is actually alive rather than a Heroic Spirit, I’m inclined to say yes. But only marginally in stats, but we might be able to tack on a personal skill or two.

Also, I too fear our competition.
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>>3508021
Official casting for Rushorou is Kamiya Hiroshi.

>>3508025
We probably won't get stronger statwise, but we can learn new skills since we aren't dead yet. That should give us the chance to put our B-rank Magical Energy to use if we get some more magical tutelage, among other possibilities.
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>>3508025
See >>3495562
Unless he changed his mind...
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>>3508032

I fear more due to an idea that I've come to call "All Is Fucked" for the six others

For our hypothetical opponents I'm gonna say the for the following one for a canon Servant and one that Sweets could use:
Saber: Sigurd or Date Masamune
Archer: Gil or Houyi
Lancer: Artoria or worse Diomedes
Rider: Lu Bu or Ghengis Khan
Caster: Solomon or Marie Curie/Robert Oppenheimer
Berserker: Herc or Harald Wartooth
Assassin: One of the Hash or Lee Harvey Oswald. I'm not sure if any of these are even close to right but it's the best guess I can give for who may be our opponents due to speculation
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>>3508025
I answered your question at >>3495562. Servant stasis is only for Heroic Spirits. As a living being, Rushorou can still grow and change.

>>3508021
>Koyama Rikiya
...already played Kiritsugu! Can't use him, that's for sure.
>Morikawa Toshiyuki
I thought hard about using him. I really do like his voice. In the end, though, decided I couldn't go full Kira.

Voice cast, in order of appearance and expanded from the last time I posted:

Fate/City Akeldama:
Yumigawa Rushorou: Kamiya Hiroshi
Matsuda Ryuuta: Ono Daisuke
Ogawara Yatsuhide: Komatsu Minako
Caster (Circe): Akaneya Himika
Cid Ajisartous (Judas): Nakata Jouji
Truvietianne Edelfelt: Kugimiya Rie
Lancer (Perseus): Miyano Mamoru
Sean O'Mordha: [Undecided]
Saber (Justinian I): [Undecided]
Archer (The Man with No Name): Clint Eastwood
Munahara Kikuko: Ookubo Rumi
Keiseki Saburou: Miki Shinichiro
Rider (Blackbeard): Wakamoto Norio
Berserker ("Adelheid"): Yuuki Aoi
Assassin (Robin Hood): Toriumi Kousuke
Joe Ambrose: Takagi Wataru
Jack DeLancey: Sugita Tomokazu

Fate/Awakening Mirror:
Jean-Pierre Vaisset (Shijou Hirahide): Horikawa Ryo
Shijou Ayaka (Anne-Marie Vaisset): Hanazawa Kana
Emiya Shirou: Suwabe Junichi
Rider of Fuyuki: Asakawa Yuu
Emiya Sakura: Shitaya Noriko
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>>3508059
If the grail isn't fucked up anymore, there can't be any Evil-aligned Servants (other than us) and nonstandard ones can't be summoned.

Furthermore, all the Magi will go for famous heroes of the past and will likely use catalysts to be sure, which excludes anyone younger than George Washington.

>Giuliano di Lumenza
Will want someone compliant to go along with his plan for the War, and the Association has the resources to summon Karna... or Diarmuid
He probably has a pretty big ego, since he's one of Lorelei's elites. Expect trouble with an unruly or free-spirited Servant?
>William Harris
He's unlikely to be sponsored by the Einzberns, given their shitty Track record with Magus Killers. That means he'll have to use what resources he can get his hands on, so expect an Assassin (almost definitely a Hassan, since this is close enough to a 'normal' Grail War) or a lower-class Hero, nobody really famous. Very unlikely to be Japanese, due to the restriction put in place.
>Einzbern
Who the fuck knows, it could be King Hassan or Scathach or something equally ridiculous. If they haven't fucked up and summoned Goetia.
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>>3508075
>Berserker ("Adelheid"): Yuuki Aoi
Huh. Interesting choice.
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>>3508088
Honestly she's the hardest character to cast. I'm still thinking on it, in fact.
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>>3508059
>Science Casters
He would never
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I'm assuming you're at home, Sweets?
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>>3508059
Lee Harvey Oswald would be a great “Never IRL” pick though. Love that speculative possibility
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>>3508087
>something equally ridiculous
You're on the right track, anon...
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>>3508101
Tiger Dojo Ilya as Saber, then
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>>3508101

....They have Gil don't they? Herc? Arunja?
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>>3508098
Indeed I am. What's up?
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>>3508093
>I’m still thinking on it, in fact
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>>3508101
I see, so it's Louhi summoned by Mecha Illi-chan
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>>3508093
I'd go with Endou Aya or Taneda Risa for her military image, but considering her youthful appearance, your choice works too.
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>>3508109
Just noting the increased activity.
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>>3508106
>>3508101
o wait nvm if they're gonna try and cheatyface the system again

B.B. CHANERU
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>>3508108
Too conventional for the Einzberns. Think "Cu Alter using leftover mud" or "Break the Grail and summon Innanna in a Homunculus, like SF did"
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>>3508113
>Endou Aya
>Voice of Ko-Gil
Now that's an interesting thought.

>Taneda Risa
Her voice doesn't work for me. Calling it boyish would probably be going too far, but it doesn't fit Adelheid.
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>>3508135
>boyish
You want someone more softer then? If so, Hondo Kaede comes to mind.
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>>3508128

Hmmmm, Quadruple hybrid of Caster Gil, Solomon, Merlin and Circe?
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>>3508135
Sakura Tange? She can go from cutesy to serious pretty well as Cagliostro. Umu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8ryu43k_w
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>>3508149
Best girl.
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>>3508110
A chance of me changing her VA? Can't think what else you might mean...

>>3508141
Wow, that's someone I haven't actually heard of! Looking at her entry on MAL, the only thing I've seen her in is Girlish Number. As a voice for Adelheid... I'm not sure. She could potentially work, maybe...

>>3508149
Indeed, she certainly has experience playing an old man in a loli body. The dichotomy of serious and cute is definitely what I was writing in several scenes...

Ultimately, though, I am a pretty big fan of Yuuki Aoi. Why don't you folks like the choice, out of curiosity?
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>>3508167
>Why don't you folks like the choice, out of curiosity?
Who are you referring to? You stated that you were having trouble casting her and they threw their ideas at you.
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>>3508167
http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Oyashio
Should've given you a sample. My bad.

>Why don't you folks like the choice
I have different ideas about who should voice what, but I don't mind your casting choices, really.
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>>3508171
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but "Huh. Interesting choice" is in my experience often used as a more neutral way of saying "that's a bad decision."
So, after getting several alternate suggestions I decided to go fishing for more detail on why Yuuki Aoi wouldn't be the best pick.

>>3508177
>I have different ideas about who should voice what
Great! Please go into detail; I'm hardly a professional, after all, and I'd love some commentary on to what degree the listed VAs fit (or don't fit) the characters.
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>>3508147
>in the final battle Circe takes control, restrains the body and lets us finish it
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>>3508195

With as much sheer magical power that it would have, imagine having this Grandest Caster as our teacher
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>>3508201
I would prefer to not get pranked by the Merlin part, thank you.
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>>3508208

But anon, that's the fun part :^)
but really Merlin would probably get overshadowed by Gil and Circe the most followed by Solomon in terms of who controls the body itself
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>>3508087
>Einzbern

"Dur we win war this time we summon Tiamat."
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>>3508208
Don't worry, Circe and Cas-Gil will keep him under control
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>>3508215
Court Tiamat?
>Yes | No
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>>3508214
Probably Circe > Gil > Merlin > Solomon because Gil is busy keeping Merlin under control and Solomon is a low-test beta
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>>3508217

It's like there's not only one choice?

>Yes
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>>3508220
No, there are two.
>Yes | Super Yes
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>>3508225
>>3508220
>>3508217
You know I am talking fully awakened Tiamat right?
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>>3508225

Anon Super Yes belongs to The Devil's Bodhisattva
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>>3508178
Incoming Autism

>Yumigawa Rushorou: Kamiya Hiroshi
I feel like Namikawa Daisuke can properly express our development from a normal stuco pres to our current state. But he already voiced Waver so that's out.

>Matsuda Ryuuta: Ono Daisuke
I've been rewatching Valvrave and playing GBF recently, so I was thinking about Nakamura Yuichi for him. Hatano Wataru also comes to mind.

>Ogawara Yatsuhide: Komatsu Minako (Is this supposed to be Komatsu Mikako?)
I planned to just comment on this, since I have absolutely no idea who should voice him, but then Ogata Megumi suddenly came to mind.

>Cid Ajisartous (Judas): Nakata Jouji
>Truvietianne Edelfelt: Kugimiya Rie
I feel like these are 'standard' choices for their characters, but I don't have a good alternative for them so I can't complain. I've thought about Hikasa Yoko or Tadokoro Azusa for Truvi, but I'm not sure.

>Munahara Kikuko: Ookubo Rumi
Sounds cutesy generally and probably laughs at your death with that same voice. I suggest Amamiya Sora or Kanemoto Hisako. I'm leaning towards the former.
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>>3508228

>Implying that's a downside

You're gonna upset momma with that talk anon
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>>3508228
Just genuflect, bro.
We're no longer human, so I doubt we'd immediately fall into her Kill List.
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>>3508235
The mud and her newly made children are what I am more worried about.
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>>3508239
What? But they're adorable! I would love them all and be the best father I could be to them even the trap
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>>3508228
>mfw Truvi Matsuda Ogawara and Kikuko get LAHMU'D

>>3508234
>Ogata Megumi
grim can't escape the bulli huh
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>>3508239

Speaking of the mud, how do we incorporate it into ourselves? We must find a way to make the most of our existence and bullshit magic.
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>>3508247
>mfw no face
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>>3508248
bathe in it, dive into it, cannonball into it, bellyflop into it? I dunno.
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also sweets you makin a new thread or are we riding this one to page 10
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>>3508253

Me neither, however should we can't into mud we must try to into something else. And I have an idea to try: True Magic
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>>3508256
Good luck with the Grail, because it's the most accessible source.
The other options are the First (nobody even knows what it does), the Second (>beating Zelretch), the Fourth (nobody knows what it is but everyone insists the Fourth Magician is alive, which makes me think it's Merlin) and the Fifth (>beating Aoko)
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>>3508269

I, for one. Welcome a 2 v. 1 of Zel and Aoko vs. Yumigawa
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>>3508234
>Nakamura Yuichi
I've seen a lot with this guy, but his voice isn't coming to mind. Will listen to a sample when I get the chance and come back to it.

>Hatano Wataru
Already voiced Julius in Extra, so he's out. Fun performance as Metal Bat, though.

>Komatsu Mikako
That is the correct name, I typo'd.

>Ogata Megumi
Genius pick, definitely switching to this for Ogawara.

>Standard Choices
They are that, but I love their voices.

>Alternatives for Kikuko
Amamiya Sora is an inspired pick, but my initial character concept for Kikuko was "someone for Ookubo Rumi to play," so I can't change her. Her performance as Aguri in Gamers singlehandedly kept me watching that show.

>>3508254
I'm thinking at this point that I'll see how far this thread goes. Maybe make a new thread once it hits page 8 or 9, that's what I've often done in the past.

>>3508278
My reading of it was that the various modifications done in Fate/Stay Night were to the ritual in Fuyuki, not to the Swirl of Origin itself.

>>3508217
Predatory Charisma's not going to do much for you there.
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>>3508338

>Predatory Charisma's not going to do much for you there.

Which is why we're gonna go for TRUE Charisma, no loli-specialized version will pin us down!
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>>3508338
>My reading of it was that the various modifications done in Fate/Stay Night were to the ritual in Fuyuki, not to the Swirl of Origin itself.
I seriously doubt that Illya could alter the Swirl itself. Pretty sure she closed the Grail, and someone's replicated it. Prelati? Crimson Moon? Surprise Alien God?
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>>3508358
>Prelati
Already double involved in the SF war where nobody knows wtf is happening
>Crimson Moon
*Zelretch anger intensifies*
>some alien God
Way too convoluted and unlikely, as neat as meeting /seducing a Foreigner would be.
Probably just the Einzbern wanting a new war sooner and setting up in a place with more mana.
And yeah, altering the swirl itself would put Illya on a level above True Magic and effectively make her God.
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oh fuck m8s

What if Marisbilly's here too
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>>3508373
I'd much rather Olga Marie showed up and actually get to exist for more than like 2 scenes before being bombed to death and subsequently lobbed into the black hole of everlasting torment. She doesn't simply die, she gets chucked into a fucking time bullshit object and is dying for all time.
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>>3508373
Relax, Judas was Caster and that means Solomon can't be.
>inb4 Ruler because his desire to be a real human was fulfilled and his Heroic Spirit came back after being erased since he did something heroic by using Ars Nova
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>>3508377
>>3508379

Seems you also are in a time bullshit object
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>>3508384
I deleted and removed some bothersome typos.
Olga Marie was still massively wasted though.
Idk why everyone cares about that cuck Romani considering it was his lack of foresight that caused this shit.
...and he has EX clairvoyance
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>>3508388

King Solomon sees everything but the downsides before it's too late anon. Now let's figure out what True Magic would be the quickest to learn first
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>>3508395
Unironically probably the Third True Magic.
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>>3508388
Anon, if there's one guy who could outruse Solomon it's Goetia.
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>>3508400

Hm, how so? Is it because we're currently getting into graces with Sakura?
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>>3508404
More that we've already had our soul and body fucked around by fake grails. Soulfuckery is Heaven's Feel's specialty.
Twice.
As for the others
2 of them have users already
1 is a total unknown
1 is a total unknown that might have a User.
Also you can create Servants with it, which is neat.
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>>3508409

>2 of them have users already

I don't particularly see the problem with that there, means that the Second and Fifth are alternatives/additional paths to go on once complete with working on the Third.

I personally want to go for the First and Fourth since the great mystery behind those two are something that I wanna see what Sweets would do with.
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>>3508409
Technically Justeaze is the user, since she's the core of the Greater Grail. We need to go in there and use our Charisma on her
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>>3508413
Anon I...
Also she's not got a complete version of it iirc.
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>>3508412
>I personally want to go for the First and Fourth since the great mystery behind those two are something that I wanna see what Sweets would do with.
That sounds like a fun and interesting creative opportunity.
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>>3508412
Furthermore, there's a difference between the First and Fifth, and the other ones: those two were acquired by tracing a path to the Root, while the other three were created in order to trace a path to the Root.

Also, the path works only once. Anyone else who tries to trace it independently will fall short.
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>>3508417

Oh Christ I just realized something.

Use the Second Magic to gain prana from other parallel world versions of ourselves, Third Magic makes a perpetual magic motion machine....Oh God what horror will this bring?
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>>3508426
Both give infinite magic only limited by your output so what does it matter?
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>>3508428

What happens when combining two sources of infinite magic together into cohesion?
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>>3508428
The Third True Magic doesn't give infinite mystic energy. It gives an infinite capacity for magic use and the capacity to use mystic energy to sustain yourself indefinitely, but it most certainly does not supply the infinite energy.
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>>3508426
Immoral Business For Negligible Payment
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>>3508434
Complete Materials says...
"Materialization of the soul, in other words, the magic that realizes true immortality. When accomplished, the practitioner will acquire an unlimited source of magical energy due to the soul becoming analogous to a perpetual motion machine."
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>>3508437
I realize that's what it says, but I think that's actually a representation of how the Einzberns think it will work rather than how it does. Consider the fact that we have an example of the Third Sorcery in action: Emiya Shirou in the HF True End. At multiple points it refers to his new body as a successful instance of the Third Sorcery, yet he's anything but a perpetual energy source. Instead he's a perpetual energy drain, needing a constant supply of energy from Sakura to survive.
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And before you jump up to point out that his body is a puppet and it's what requires Sakura's energy, consider this: even if his "remote terminal" soul is perpetual, it's not generating enough excess energy to keep his puppet body functional. That pretty solidly disproves the infinite energy idea.
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>>3508439
https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20384/
>In short, he's like a Servant that can operate without a Master.
>It's because of that magical energy that she can keep Rider, even after the Great Holy Grail's destruction.
But she still can't use it all, so she must be giving the surplus to Shirou.
Shirou's current body has a very weak Magic Circuit, so he would return to how he was before without her help.
It sounds more like he would be fine by himself if his Magic Circuits weren't utter shit, and Sakura's just giving him the extra stuff he needs...
I could still have missed something from before that update, though.
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Also, one could say he's not the user, Illya was.
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>>3508444
>In short, he's like a Servant that can operate without a Master.
>It's because of that magical energy that she can keep Rider, even after the Great Holy Grail's destruction.
>But she still can't use it all, so she must be giving the surplus to Shirou.
>Shirou's current body has a very weak Magic Circuit, so he would return to how he was before without her help.
So this is my reading: sustaining Shirou's existence requires a supply of mystic energy. In theory, a magus with a high magic circuit count could use his own for this purpose, "like a Servant that can operate without a Master," but Shirou doesn't produce enough energy for that and needs to get extra from Sakura.
From that situation we can conclude that the Third Sorcery didn't remedy Shirou's low energy output and give him endless mystic energy. If anything, since all of his energy is being used up in sustaining his body, and he needs extra energy from Sakura, he's become an overall energy drain. Hence my previous two posts.
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>>3508440
Wasn't what Illya used an incomplete version though?
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>>3508449
Ah, that makes sense.
>From that situation we can conclude that the Third Sorcery didn't remedy Shirou's low energy output and give him endless mystic energy.
Hence >>3508447
It could be concluded that Shirou didn't get infinite magical energy simply because he's not the user, and can't access that function, rather than the fault being with the Third. Occam's Razor, I guess???
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>>3508454
Wouldn't an actual use of Heavens Feel not require Shirou to have a puppet body at all?
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>>3508462
It was all that one guy's fault! The first user!
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...
Guys, won't Shirou realistically call Rin for assistance because there's another fucking grail war?
Hasn't Rin been Zelretch's protege for 15 years at this point?
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>>3508502
He wasn't certain until now that there was another Grail War; he probably didn't want to distract Rin from her apprenticeship for a rumor if it turned out to be false.
>>3503500
>The red-haired man grits his teeth, looking away with a furious expression. "So it's true," he mutters, half under his breath. "A Servant, and it's all starting again. Here!"

She might be really dangerous if she knows anything about the Second Magic, and she always has her gems (but those are unlikely to do much to us).
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Abuse B rank luck by buying Lottory Tickets and Scratch Cards until we gain Golden Rule?
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>>3508555
And by going to casinos till they stop letting us in.
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>>3508560
And by actually winning Arcade Claw Games.
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>tfw anon distracted QM from making an update because of Magic discussion
We don't even (currently) know that True Magic exists.
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>>3508575
The QM distracted himself with voice actor autism
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>>3508589
Tbh I’m happy we didn’t get a midnight vote, so I’m good with sweets and the lads talking VAs
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So, seeing as Sweets confirmed it is in fact possible for us to learn new skills, what should we aim towards getting/levelling?
Predatory Charisma when?
Mana Burst would be very nice.
Golden Rule is both useless and really cool.
Would our Riding skill grow if we drove a car?
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>>3508605
Mana Burst is the highest priority since it lets us boost our physical stats and gets around our biology.
Riding is nice to have, and learning to drive would bring it up to C; learning to ride a horse would bring it up to B.
Do you think we could learn riding lessons from Medusa?
Golden Rule is the lowest priority.
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>>3508607
Battle Continuation is also something good to have.
Course to get it we have to almost die in a fight/keep going with fatal wounds.
Levelling up Eye of the Mind would be nice but is super difficult.
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>>3508605
>Predatory Charisma when?
When we get more juvenile-looking girls to crush on us. Dunno how many, just when we do.
>Mana Burst
Probably after we learn how to control out Masters mana like we could our Od.
>spoiler
Imagine hfw we have no Riding knowledge.
>>3508638
>Battle Continuation is also something good to have.
>Course to get it we have to almost die in a fight/keep going with fatal wounds.
Yeah, I think that's out of the question.
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>>3508659
We could manage getting Battle Continuation if Circe was here to heal us.
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>>3508605
Disengage would be pretty straightforward to get.

Brave Sir Yumi ran away, he bravely ran away, away~
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>>3508711
...
How well do mundane smoke grenades/bombs work to impede a Servant's vision?
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>>3508718
Not at all, I presume.
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>>3508733
I mean, they can't see through walls.
Obviously a tactic like that wouldn't work on Rider though.
For obvious reasons.
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>>3508733
Not at all, they could sense our Magical Energy. It takes a Mystery on the level of Presence Concealment to hide from a Servant, grenades are nothing but a few seconds wasted if you use them for an escape.
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>>3508769
Oh right I somehow totally forgot about that.
C4 is far more effective for everything as always.
Can't follow us if they have to protect their Master from a massive explosion and building collapse.
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>>3508780
>Subversive Activities: C
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>>3508780
If she actually does show up...
>Arturia's face when after the shitshow of the fourth war and the waking nightmare of the fifth for some reason there's an extra Saber who looks like a Knight and he's just about resorting to the most dishonest tactics possible.
>and one of the Masters is LARPing as Kerry.
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>>3508780
>wanting to play like a coward
>as anybody but an Archer
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>>3508820
>Self-Preservation is still a major motivator
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>>3508820
Nobody expects the Saber to play as Archer/Assassin.
But Disengage would be nice.
We could try and go for something like Suppression
>(Suppression (抑制, Yokusei) is a secret art of assassins for not letting intention to kill show off until right before attacking)
After what we did to Keiseki.
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>Skills RUSHOROU could earn
You know, there is one, even if it’s FGOshit

Affections of the Holy Grail
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>>3508822
>Duty, Compassion and Pride are greater motivators, and arguably contradictory to using underhanded tactics willy-nilly
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>>3508834
contrary, not contradictory.
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>>3508834
>Compassion
Basically never applied to enemies, don’t see how this is anti-cowardice

>Duty
Not sure how you argue underhandedness being anti-duty

>Pride
This is the one. Cowardly retreated definitely are anti-pride, but Rushorou has shown the ability to put his pride aside in tough situations before.
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>>3508830
>Affections of the Holy Grail
>not Affections of the Goddess
At rank B Achilles gets a rank up to all stats except Magical Energy and Luck.

For comparison that would put us at A Strength, B Endurance and A Agility to go with our B Magical Energy and B Luck.
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>>3508851
We can’t exactly earn that right now, can we? Incarnated Circe when?
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>>3508853
When we win this damn war and find our servants.
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>>3508855
Truth
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>>3508851
>to get Affections of the Goddess you have to find a goddess to bestow her affections upon you
>that means Circe
>but you have to win the Grail War and get Circe her godhood back somehow
So it's time.
being a consort to an actual goddess probably gets us a way higher rank than being some nymph's child, like A+
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>>3508859
Nah, we /EX/ soon
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>>3508861
We don't want that.
EX is too high.
Look what happened to Orion.
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>>3508861
>Circe's affection for us is so high the Grail literally can't measure it
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>>3508839
>Not sure how you argue underhandedness being anti-duty
I would argue that it's the duty of a knight (class) to honestly face his opponent but that would probably be more a compulsion of the Grail than something we would personally believe.
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>>3508863
Orion is a beta bitch, Yumigawa is on top and in control. Circe also doesn't have a controlling onii-chantwin brother chaperoning her.
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>Affection of the Goddess
Our Circe's no longer a goddess, is she?
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>>3508909
Not really no.
We'll see what can be done about that.
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>>3508883
>Orion is a beta bitch
Only after being converted into a strange mascot character. In life, he was properly heroic.
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>Affection of the Holy Grail
>Affection of the Goddess
>Not Affection of the __Prey__
Get with the program.
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>get Affections of the Goddess: EX
>some time off in the future get summoned as a Servant
>Circe hijacks summoning
>she takes the main body
>Rushorou becomes picrelated
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Status Updated from your encounter last post, by the way. Forgot to include that.
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>>3508944

>Not all of them
>All at once
>Including EX Charisma

Are you a coward sir?
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>>3508921
And Artemis always inserts herself and transforms him into a mascot character. He will never be a hero.
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Hot take: Artemis/Orion in FGO is a direct ripoff of Urusei Yatsura, but with worse character design.
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>>3508976
With the power of grail mud, anything is possible!
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>>3508982
>Urusei Yatsura
A man of culture, I see.
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>>3508982
>but with worse character design
This am often not a hot take with F/GO, have you seen Caesar?
>>3508983
>Orion Alter
>Artemis is replaced by Apollo, who has a Skill that acts like Curse of Separation but with Artemis instead
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>>3508995
>am
indeed
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>>3508995
>"Who are you?"
>"I'm you but blacker."
Thanks F/GO.
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If we start to become more well known, will our servant skills change as well due to our "legend" being written based on our actions in the present?
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>>3508999

I mean, how else can you tell EMIYA is more evil?
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>>3509000 (checked)
That's how it seems it will work, yes, since our story has yet to end.
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>>3509005
I don't think the character was ever necessary in the first place.
The stupid fucking guns are edgy enough.
Kanshou and Bakuya are dumb enough already.
We live in the age of shitty EMIYA redesigns.
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>>3508999
Oh god, don't even get me started on Demiya. The worst fucking design. Why doesn't he look like Shirou, like, at all? Why does he use guns when his goddamn origin and affinity are Sword? Why in the goddamn motherfucking third franchise location of hell is his NP origin bullet?
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>>3509028
Slut nun gave him a haircut and also guns because who the fuck actually knows.
Maybe he's going for the Shadow the Hedgehog look?
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>>3509043
That's not meant to imply Kiara gave him the guns.
Why does he start exploding as he levels up?
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>>3509047
That one's actually explained. It's like a more extreme version of the way Shirou's magic circuits appear on his skin when he's fighting Gilgamesh at the end of UBW. Demiya is physically cracking apart from extreme burnout of his circuits. This is also why he's even darker than Archer, as they're both darkened by circuit damage over time.
None of this excuses the fact that his facial features look nothing like Emiya and he uses guns.
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>>3509051
I think one of my favourite parts about the art is how the background is so ill fitting.
It's like they just googled "dungeon" and rolled with it.
God what a stupid design and concept.
>"Guys what if we made a guy who is to EMIYA what EMIYA is to Shirou?"
>"Genius! He's sure to be even more popular!"
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>>3508999
Lewd Nun should be starting her operations around this time, no? Maybe we can do Demiya a solid and take her out early.
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>>3509078

You mean dick her
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>>3509081
What? No, I'd prefer existing.
>inb4 buttstuff
No.
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>>3509081
please don't attempt to seduce Miss "I want to shove the planet into my vagina" thanks.
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>>3509078
That was in a different timeline from F/SN.
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>>3509088
So we've got the relatively normal therapist route Kiara? One less thing to worry about then.
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I do hope we get to troll somebody out of their NP with the Sword or the Cloak.
Imagine using it on somebody like Cu when he uses the Gae Bolg throw.
>Gae Bolg is just gone
>"Saber what the fuck was that?"
>"What sort of fucking Saber has a magical cloak that makes things disappear?"
>"Deal with it."
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>>3509659
Cu wouldn't throw it at us because we'd have to be within melee range to fight.
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>>3509660
Depends, he'd throw it no questions asked if there were multiple servants against him for the Anti-Army effect.
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Sweets can we get a visual reference for what our sword actually looks like?
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>>3509659
Sweets already stated that a thrown Gay Bulge would hit our lad nonetheless. Yumi needs to use the cloak/sword im close range to effectively delete Gay Bulge
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>>3509712
>If he throws it? Gae Bolg gets sucked in, because when thrown it's just a big attack.
>If he stabs you, it'll go around.
Thrown Gay Bulge fucks off forever.
Causality fucker thrust ruins our life.
Hell it supposedly could kill Arcuied so it really should kill every single Servant it actually effects.
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>>3509719
I was quoting Sweets there btw.
Gae Bolg jobbing to Saber immediately is one of the worst thought out things in the entire fucking Nasuverse.
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>>3509706
Since you haven't taken it out of its sheath, you don't actually know. If you get a chance to examine the thing, I'll give you a more detailed description. I'll tell you now that it's an arming sword, though.
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>>3509825
Haven't we explicitly drawn it twice?
>>3491850
>Drawing your sword, you rush back the way you came,
>>3493281
>With a flourish, you draw your sword, holding the black blade point-upward,
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>>3509829
Boy, you are right. Let me edit my statement:
Since I'm working on an update right now, I'm not going to look for an image. I'll give you a more detailed description later on.
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>>3509837
Ah alright.
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>>3509841
Also, there aren't really a lot of good images of black swords online that aren't (a) chuuni as all hell or (b) the sword from Elric of Melnibone.
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Your thoughts race as, outside, winter rain begins to fall. You consider the idea of fleeing the scene briefly, but reject the notion. In the first place, you have too much to lose by cutting off your connection to these people. In the second, you're honestly not sure whether your speed is sufficient for you to make an escape. Lastly, your pride won't allow you to flee from a group of strangers inviting you into their home. No, you decide, there's only one way forward at this point: to tell your story in full.

"Thank you," you say to Rider, "now that we aren't fighting, things will be a bit easier to explain." Then shifting your eyes to Emiya, you continue, "What Rider told you was right, Emiya. The name I gave you in the park, Rupert Jünter, isn't my only one. It was only the most appropriate thing to use in public." With a courtly bow, you continue, "In truth, it would be more proper to call me Saber; the Servant of the Sword." Although tempted to press the point home by materializing your armor, you don't do so. The other Servant, Rider, seems like the type to attack at the slightest sign of aggression.

Renewed shock appears on Emiya's face, but it's quickly chased off by a look of understanding and realization. "That's what you meant by being forced to participate," he says. "You've been made to take Caster's place, haven't you?" Then he hesitates, and abruptly shifts tone. "But we shouldn't be having this conversation in the entryway. Please come in." He has a point. You're still standing immediately inside the front door, with your shoes on. It's not the most convenient place to tell your story.

As you take off your shoes and follow Emiya and his family into the living room, the tension is palpable. The revelation about your identity hasn't made Rider any less wary of you, nor has it diminished the fear you can see from the woman you assume is Emiya's wife. It's odd, the way she looks at you. You could understand her being frightened that a hostile Servant might attack, but with her you almost feel she's frightened by your existence itself. It can't be the revelation of a new Servant, since Rider is already present. You speculate, but no clear answer comes to you. Emiya, by contrast, is undaunted by the atmosphere. He waves you over to a low table in the middle of the room, saying, "Why don't you sit down and tell Sakura and Rider your story? I'll make some tea."

The two women, one pink-haired and the other purple, sit first, side by side, and wait for you to speak. The burden of explanation certainly seems to be on you, so you take your seat opposite the duo and begin your story. "There is a Holy Grail War being conducted here, by the Einzbern family," you begin. "But I suppose you knew that already, given the presence of Rider." To her, you say, "You were the last to be summoned, correct?" Before she can answer, you raise a hand. "Wait, I'm digressing. I'll tell my story and save the questions for when I've satisfied yours."
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"Please do," the other woman, Sakura, says softly.

You begin with a denial of guilt. "The first thing I should tell you is that I didn't come into the Holy Grail War by choice. I have not arrived here intending to kill for my wish; what I desire is only survival."

Rider fixes you with a cold gaze. "Just how did you come to be summoned, then? Every Servant answers the call of the Grail."

"I'll get to that," you say, a bit irritated, "as a part of my story. It does play a rather significant part." You pause, take a breath, and continue in a more level tone. "You see, one of the Servants summoned into this War, Caster, was in posession of a Noble Phantasm entitled Akeldama. Its nature was a realm under his control, cut off from the world, and it allowed him to bring human beings, heroic spirits, and perhaps other things into that world. Its purpose was to be a killing field, or sacrificial altar; as such, one could only leave when either Caster was dead or all those he'd summoned were. Although he could not kill those he summoned with his own hands, by orchestrating their deaths he could absorb their energy and receive a massive improvement to his capabilities as a Servant."

At this point, Emiya returns with the tea. After serving the three of you, he sits down with a cup of his own. He takes a place at the table's third side, between you and the two women. "Thank you, Emiya-san," you say, before returning to the topic at hand. "With the Akeldama, Caster summoned one thousand and fifty humans and nine heroic spirits, including himself. He tricked the majority of those he summoned into killing one another; only I and the four people I protected survived. Together, we defeated Caster and escaped from Akeldama. I expected that to be the end, but Caster had one more favor left to do his Master. He channeled Akeldama's power into me instead of himself, transforming me into a Servant and binding me to his Master. And so, as Emiya-san mentioned, I was forced to take Caster's place in this Holy Grail War."

Surprisingly, the first to react is Sakura, who bursts into a compassionate exclamation. "Oh, I'm so sorry! To have to take the lives of so many into yourself... I know just how you feel." Carried away by excitement and sympathy, she reaches across the table to clasp your hand in hers as she reassures you. "I understand the pain and despair you must be feeling, but don't worry. I'm sure senpai will be able to save you from this situation." It's hard to believe this woman could have experienced something similar, but her kindred feeling seems genuine, and the volume of mystic energy she carries is truly incredible. Perhaps she went through the previous Holy Grail War alongside Emiya, and one of the Servants attempted a similar scheme to the Akeldama ritual.

"Thank you," you say, "your sympathy means a great deal to me."
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Emiya, finishing a sip of tea, leans forward to speak. "So you're a Servant, but not a heroic spirit? Is that right?"

"Correct." You nod. "I am quite alive, and have no legend to my name. I suppose you could call me a Servant with a living body."

"Servant with a body, huh?" Emiya thinks for a moment. "I guess you can't fade into spirit form, then, can you?" You shake your head, and he continues, "Saber was like that in Fuyuki, too. What a weird coincidence."

As Emiya looks back on his memories, you address your three hosts. "Now, you've all heard my story. I wonder if you wouldn't mind sharing yours. There are some things about this affair I find rather mystifying, you see."

"Of course," Sakura answers. "Ask us whatever you like."

"Well then," you say, "the first thing that's been weighing on my mind is the presence of Rider. How is it that you were ignorant of the Holy Grail War going on, Emiya-san, when you have a Servant in your home?"

Emiya chuckles at the question, and the other two smile. "I guess I should've explained that earlier," he says. "Rider's been living with us for the last fifteen years, since the end of the Fifth Holy Grail War. She's sustained by Sakura's energy."

There's quite a bit of important information there, but what first hits you is that what Judas had told you was right! Sustaining Servants outside of Akeldama without the help of a Grail really is possible! Why, then, did Adelheid and Circe disappear? Why was your connection to them severed? Why-

But no, you won't let yourself go down that depressive path. You need to focus on the present now. Moving on to the next subject, you say, "I see. That explains the situation, to be sure. The next detail I'm curious about is-"

You're cut off by the sound of the doorbell, and Emiya says, "Oh, that'll be the kids, home from cram school. Guess I should get started on dinner, then. Do you have any culinary preferences, Saber?" As he speaks Emiya gets up and walks into the kitchen, while Rider goes to get the door. A glance out the window tells you it's beginning to get dark. Perhaps you should beg off and return to the Shijou manor. On the other hand, you're starving hungry. If last night was any indication, Jean-Pierre Vaisset hasn't considered the idea that Servants might have human needs.

>[ ] A twisting groan from your stomach decides you. You'll stay here for the evening and discuss further details of what the Emiya family can tell you over dinner. (Pride/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Cursing the lateness of the hour, you decide you'll have to beg off. In the end, protecting your Master is the most important thing for you to do. (Duty)

>[ ] You decide to do something else (Write in)
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>>3509956
>[ ] A twisting groan from your stomach decides you. You'll stay here for the evening and discuss further details of what the Emiya family can tell you over dinner. (Pride/Self-Preservation)
>Kids
O-oh.
Well this is going well.
Fuck Vaisset, we're scouting, gathering info on our surroundings and assessing potential threats.
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>>3509956
It's way too late to not return. We should probably ask for something that's filling but still portable and be on our way.
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>>3509956

>[ ] You decide to do something else (Write in)
>Tell Jean that we will be out to patrol through the city, getting a layout of the area and if there's any inhabitants that would likely fit under the suspicion of Masters. Meanwhile staying with the Emiya family to eat and learn from them (Pride/Self-Preservation/Duty?)
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>>3509973
>O-oh.
Something surprise you?
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>>3509956
>[ ] A twisting groan from your stomach decides you. You'll stay here for the evening and discuss further details of what the Emiya family can tell you over dinner. (Pride/Self-Preservation)

We’ve told them much about Rushorou and learned little about the previous wars so far. As they say, in for a penny...
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>>3509988
Well I was expecting them to have kids. But it still came as some surprise.
activate project acquire Predatory Charisma protocols.
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>>3509956
>>[ ] Cursing the lateness of the hour, you decide you'll have to beg off. In the end, protecting your Master is the most important thing for you to do. (Duty)
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>>3509998
>spoiler
Something about that name bugs me and it's not the "Predatory" part. It needs a new name that doesn't derive itself from something that measures the ability of a Servant to lead a nation.
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>>3510005
With the way we initially described the speculative skill, it’s a modified version of the conventional Charisma that Rushorou has already displayed, taking into account his previous actions more. I don’t think it needs to be segregated entirely from regular servant charisma.
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>>3510005
Merlin has Dreamlike Charisma at A.
Very likely derived from his nature as a Half-Incubus.
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>>3509985
I'll switch to this one.
We're attempting to locate individuals with high quantities of magical energy, or something.
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>>3509985
>>3509994
>>3509956
Devilishly deceptive anon, switching to
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>>3509985
Supporting. If Jean gets mad about us going off on our own, remind him that he has explicitly stated that he prefers not to engage in battle and that he can summon us to his location with a command spell should the need arise. This also helps us keep the fighting away from Ayaka.
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So while we're waiting, what would Berserker Diogenes be like, and what would their NP be?
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>>3509956
Leave. We need to work with our master. There's still a war coming on soon.
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>>3510010
Huh, so it is.

Vote is tied, assuming mine counted for the Duty vote.
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>>3509956
Lets eat with the Emiya family

let us contact Jean saying we are investigating a huge source of magical energy and that we will be home late, it may be a servant.

also
>Kids
>as in more that one
Oh boy he sure got busy, if anything they should be about high school or middle school at this point. I wonder if he gave his potential son advice about high jumping.
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>>3510131
The oldest they could be is either 12 or 14, depending on whether or not Sweets decides they had a kid before the HF epilogue who just wasn't mentioned.
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>>3510154
Scratch that - this story is in November, giving us 8 extra months that I hadn't factored in. That means about a month under 13 or 15 is the maximum age.

Since they're apparently at cram school, I'd guess they're on the older side, probably close to high school age.
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>>3510154
>The oldest they could be is either 12 or 14
old enough :^)

On a serious note, is this similar to what our sword looks like?
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>>3509956
>[ ] A twisting groan from your stomach decides you. You'll stay here for the evening and discuss further details of what the Emiya family can tell you over dinner. (Pride/Self-Preservation)
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>>3510160
That was weird.
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>>3510160

>Trying to seduce Shiro Goddamn Emiya's kids
I may have suggested trying to go for Tiamat and Kiara but Anon what you're suggesting is literal suicide by Sword
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>>3510174
I'm sure it'll be fine, anon... :^^^^^^))))))
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>>3510174
Isn't Rushorou like 16 or something? If we explain our actual age we should be fine and not on a insta death route.
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But seriously,
>implying we'd be doing it intentionally
May I remind you how we hooked Circe and Adelheid?
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>>3510181
Yumigawa Rushorou is an 18-year-old high school senior at the beginning of Fate/City Akeldama.
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>>3510160
Need I remind you who we're saving up for?
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>>3510199
WILL
NOT
REJECT
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>>3510197
>last spoiler
But not really.
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>>3510236
Yeah, not really
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>>3510240
I'm being serious, he never took an active role in romance barring one time with each Servant. Here's not "Shōnen MC" dense, he's at least remotely aware of Circe's and (maybe) Ado's feelings, but he's never intentionally been the initiator.
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You know I've thought of something. What's the chance we'll meet with another Biblical Servant like we did Judas?

I for one would love to have a 2 v. 1 against Joshua and Samson
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>>3510246
>Here's
... to forever saving up for that new computer.
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>>3510170
Your new identity, the sword that marks you as Saber, is a simple weapon with little ornamentation. The pommel is solid silver, in a vague shape that could be interpreted as either a crown or a flower. Above the pommel, the hilt is leather, and slightly longer than your hand. A plain crossbar, slightly upward-curving, divides the hilt from the blade, and that blade itself is simple and unadorned. Straight, two-edged, and thirty inches long, the only thing about this blade that catches the eye is its color. Both the guard and the blade of the sword are black and quite non-reflective. Although smooth, they seem to soak in the light rather than throwing it back. The material feels like some kind of metal to you, but your knowledge of the subject doesn't go far enough to say more.
The sheath is quite different in its appearance, having perhaps been made to compensate for the simplicity of the blade. Made of hardened black leather, it shines with a high gloss where the base material is visible. That material is almost totally obscured, however, by an ornate pattern of twisting vines and flowers, inlaid in silver.
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>>3510246
Yeah, I really agree. That’s why I deleted my shitty post
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>>3510249
>>Joshua
If you can do Joshua you can do Moses.
>>Samson
>known for his retard strength
>probably Berserker because he doesn't fit into any other class
>expecting him to put up a fight against the guy made to slaughter Berserkers because he ignores physical strength and toughness
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>>3510267

Never said it had to be a fair fight Anon :^)

Would you like John the Baptist instead? Maybe Judah Macabee? Perhaps even another Apostle like Peter?
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>>3510267
Samson or David would be good heroic candidates
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>>3510283
>David would be
Anon...
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>>3510249
>>3510267
>>3510279
>>3510283
What about the badass Jacob? Who won a literal biblical Ladder match?
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>>3510290
What? Is he in FGO or something?
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>>3510299
He is, he is an Archer class.
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>>3510305
Oh no
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>>3510297

Honestly, a whole subseries of Fate can be made exclusively for the Bible. You know, if the Buddha can be summoned. What about Jesus?
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>>3510311
Exclusively Saver.
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>>3510311
I would figure he would need a host and become a pseudo servant. Also wasn't the other one just some Moon Cell shit made by the dude with the MGS name?
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>>3510311
It would've been a trip if we managed to summon Martha. Cid gets punched out in thread 1
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>>3510321
Nah, he was the real Gautama. He answered the call because of his compassion for Twice.
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Next update in new thread?
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>>3510279
We should definitely kill an Apostle (maybe a dead one, maybe an ancestral one) at some point.
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>>3510371

We must kill specifically three I say Crimson Moon, Nero Chaos, and TATARI. And make Primate Murder a pet just like Merlin did
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>>3510378
I seriously think we have a good chance of killing Nero. His main draw is physical force, after all, and I don't think he has ways to get out of the Imaginary Numbers Dimension.

In fact, probably the only known DAAs who could get out would be Zelretch (Second Magic), Roa (sudoku) and ORT (some Ultimate One bullshit, not like it matters because we'll never fight it).
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>>3510398
We'd have to throw the whole Apostle through our cloak.
MEoDP work so well because they negate regen.
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>>3510421
>We'd have to throw the whole Apostle through our cloak.
Well, yes, this is what I assumed we would do, just D4C the guy. Now we need another cape that expels things from the World of Imaginary Numbers
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>>3510438
>Now we need another cape that expels things from the World of Imaginary Numbers
Train your magic, folks. Particularly the attribute of Conversion.
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>>3510441
So you're saying if we trained our magic we could expel Chaldea in the middle of a Zero Sail? We could have a pocket Chaldea?
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>>3510447
I'm saying that the reason why some magi can use Imaginary Numbers with more utility than you can has to do with Conversion-attribute mysteries.
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>>3510449
Yeah, this sounds like a good reason to train.
Anons, care to weigh in?
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>>3510451
Sounds like a good reason to train
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>>3510451

A fine idea, since we're a being who's existence is based in the shit. Better we get with it the more we improve our own existence as a result. Still it's one of the things in Fate that continues to fucking confuse me on how it exactly functions
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>Catch noble phantasms in the world of Imaginary Numbers
>Learn to expel them from the world of Imaginary Numbers
>bootlegGateOfBabylon.jpg
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>>3510468
It's not very well explained in the lore, and consequently it's one of the things I've put the most thought into. I think I've come up with a pretty great explanation, but my quandary is this: nobody in the setting really understands how Imaginary Numbers works either, so I can't easily find someone to teach you.
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>>3510475
>The Archer this time is Gil
>Uses gate of Babylon
>Absorb it
>"Oh cool I can do that too."
>Gil - "Fucking Mongrels REEEEEEEEE"
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>>3510479
>we twist like Straizo and weapons come flying out
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>>3510476

Well I expect fun times, I'm going to try my damnedest to try and learn some True Magic somehow no matter it be First, Second, Third, Fourth or Fifth even the Sixth along with these Numbers.

Now to just figure out how to gain Imperial Privilege
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>>3510468
The Shadow Border was built off of Atlas tech and research and (I think) we should've been given the rundown on them along with the other big players. The problem is getting to wherever they are.
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>>3510488
>Imperial Privilege
Simple, become the Emperor of Mankind. That will give us Imperial Privelige:
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>>3510488
>Imperial Privilege
A new look, perhaps?
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>>3510497

I don't even like salad

>>3510498

Well....this works, anyhow I shall cease and allow you to work on an update
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The question is "How do we get back on track to master our Origin after apparently losing our Od"?
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>>3510506
Actually I'm working on a term paper, just procrastinating to post here.
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>>3510514
Hope you're also working on an update. Tell us if you aren't, otherwise.
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>>3510497
I guess its time for this to become Warhammer 40k now, with our eternal queen Circe
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>>3510246
Yes but now the two people he cares for most have vanished.
Rushorou might not be as reserved in his dealings with them if he ever meets them again.
Also hard to plan anything romantic when you're in a 24/7 holy grail war where discretion is entirely unneeded.
At least traditionally the wars only have shit happen at night.
Except when you're Shinji and you want Rider to eat the entire school or something.
How many sudden gas leaks will be reported this time?
I wonder if he'll genuinely cry for the first time out of happiness if they come back...
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>>3510530
It's time for a makeover.
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>>3510638
I fucking swear, those Pauldrons grow bigger for every picture produced of Big E.
Also we need to train conversion and hopefully get our NP ranks up.
Being able to store and redirect projectile attacks makes us the ultimate EMIYA/Gil/Archers in general day ruiner too.
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>>3510643
>I fucking swear, those Pauldrons grow bigger
This surprises you?
>Also we need to train conversion and hopefully get our NP ranks up.
I raised a point in >>3493681.
>Being able to store and redirect projectile attacks makes us the ultimate EMIYA/Gil/Archers in general day ruiner too.
At this point we'll counter all the knight classes, Riders and Berserkers too.
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>>3510648
Well we'll also counter Casters too, actually.
We already kind of do with B magic resistance but we could redirect their overcompensated bullshit high thaumatugery back on a class with no Magic Resist at all.
It's a shame I can't think of a way to raise our Magic Resistance from B to A.
Also if we fully activate and hide behind the cloak then Cybele is probably not gonna work considering we won't actually be in her field of vision
Saber of Imaginary Numbers has lots of potential strength.
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>>3510657
>It's a shame I can't think of a way to raise our Magic Resistance from B to A.
Maybe we can get GRAILED again?
>Saber of Imaginary Numbers has lots of potential strength.
I'd go so far as to say he has the potential to be a Servant on the level of Siegfried, or even Arturia, in terms of pure combat potential. What he lacks in power he makes up for with hax
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>>3510665
Actually if we do eventually make Circe a Goddess of Magic again I can easily see us getting Magic Resistance A+ if not higher in addition to the Parameter boosts from any Goddess affection skill we might get from doing such a thing.
Then you've got the fact that getting a goddess their divinity back would almost certainly grant a broken skill all on it's own.
This is if we go down this route anyway.
We could also try and replicate mana burst if we see it in use.
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>>3510688
>Then you've got the fact that getting a goddess their divinity back would almost certainly grant a broken skill all on it's own.
Or even an NP.
>This is if we go down this route anyway.
You say it as if we aren't??????
>We could also try and replicate mana burst
>if we see it in use
That's the problem: it's an uncommon skill. The only ones who have the vanilla flavour as of F/GO are Arturia and Mordred. Ibaraki-douji and Shuten-douji have it as part of a composite skill.
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>>3510753
as this is HF it's highly likely that Arturia will be summoned again. There's probably no Avalon catalyst but there is still something that could be used to summon her one hundred percent of the time.
Rhongomyniad, which is owned by Gray. She'll also automatically get a skill which ranks up all her parameters except luck and mana during battle, if she actually uses it.
Probably even as Saber.
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>>3510774
But why would Wav--Lord El Melloi participate in this war, let alone with the spear?
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>>3510788
... II, Lord El Melloi II.
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>>3510790
It's been 15 years.
Highly unlikely Gray is still his apprentice.
Even if she is it's possible he wanted to see his Husbando again and tried to summon Iskandar..
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>>3510774
>we will meet boobturia
Time to drown in my ideals and die
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>>3510791
Pfft, we can take Iskandar
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>>3510795
Nah if she shows up she'll look just like Saber and will probably be in the Saber class.
It'll still be the real person Arturia and not a heroic spirit.
>>3510796
Optimistic.
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>Catch Seibah beam with cloak
>Spit it out with sword
>bootlegExcalibur.jpg
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>>3510801
>Nah if she shows up she'll look just like Saber and will probably be in the Saber class.
>It'll still be the real person Arturia and not a heroic spirit.
"Phew", but also "Fuck".
>Optimistic.
Honestly, think about it rationally.
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>>3510807
The only way we can really win is by Cloaking when he attempts a Gordius Wheel Charge.
Ioinai wrecks us beyond belief.
>but also "fuck".
Pls don't tell me you prefer the cardboard cut out big tits Saber.
>>3510803
>"unfortunately it cannot fire a beam."
>"fuck you I do what I want."
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Does Yumi look like Gawain?
But with a totally different sword, and Agravain's armour.
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>>3510884
Oh yeah, he totally looks like Gawain if Gawain had a different face, different eyes, different hair, different hair colour, different eye colour, different armour, a different sword, was two inches taller and had a black and red stripey cape.

So not really no.
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>>3510880
>Ioinai wrecks us beyond belief.
Ioniai is a while army, it wrecks almost everyone.
Also, it's his trump card and he doesn't use it lightly (remember that in F/Z he saved it for Gilgamesh and used it when everything else failed), while we'll try to move in close and protect ourselves from Gordius Wheel with the cloak.

If we let him live long enough, he'll decide to pull out Ioniai and we'll die, which is why we can't let him live long enough.
But our NPs are also unusual enough that he wouldn't expect them, and he'd fly right into a trap if he never saw them function.

In conclusion: we have a good chance as long as we don't let him Ioniai.
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>>3510888
>if Gawain had a different face, different eyes, different hair, different hair colour, different eye colour
Anon, what the fuck do you think you're looking at?
>different armour, a different sword, was two inches taller and had a black and red stripey cape
Well, yes, I mentioned those myself.
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>>3510884
Nope. Saber's body and facial shape both differ a fair amount from Gawain's.
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>>3511005
Good.
Gawain sucks.
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>>3511005
It's an extremely rough first trial, I spent only 10 minutes on it.
So how exactly does he differ? I can use the details for when I reshape the body.
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>>3511021
We already have the Agravain edit though.
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>>3511029
Yes, but you've revealed that you dislike Gawain, thus making it my mission to put up a Gawain edit and make you angry.
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>>3511031
I mean sure ok.
Not my time that you'll be wasting but you do you.
Annnyyyyway.
Odds there's a Herc/Gil//Karna/Enkidu tier servant in this war?
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>>3511042
No way sweets doesn’t include one
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>>3511042
2000%
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>>3511021
>So how exactly does he differ?
White hair and red eyes, but you knew that already. Saber has an angular face, a bit on the long side, like Kira or David Bowie; this is why we've been using Kira edits for the portraits. Gawain has a bit more of a rounded face, although his hair does a lot of the work reinforcing that impression. Speaking of which, Saber keeps his hair combed back, not hanging down loosely as Gawain's does.
Body shape is... huh.
Maybe it's just his armor or posture, but Gawain seems sort of weirdly curvy. He's got those giant rounded shoulders and he's sticking his hips out weirdly, plus his armor flares out in a wide skirt instead of a more close-fitting design like Agravain's. The bodyline in his portrait is offputting. Then, of course, there's the height gap. Gawain is about 5'11", three inches shorter than Saber of Imaginary Numbers.
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>>3511084
Oh, and your sword is a one-handed arming sword, not a two-handed longsword.
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>>3510884
One more detail. If you are going to do a Gawain edit you should use his third ascension art, since he has a cape there.
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>>3511042
>Odds there's a Herc/Gil/Karna/Enkidu tier servant in this war?
A certainty.
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>>3511130
Yeah it pretty much is.
The only reason Akeldama didn't have bullshit servants is because Judas purposely didn't give 3 gold coins to anyone.
A top tier servant would've destroyed his plans.
As it was he was working on getting the Master of the wars strongest (?) servant to kill off said servant.
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>>3511150
>tfw we could become a bullshit Servant if we master our Origin
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>>3511182
We're already pretty bullshit and this is basically the beggining of our legend.
We were also not human anymore even before being a servant so we can potentially get ridiculously high physical parameters and our body would be able to handle it. Like how Gorgon and Asterios both have A++ STR and END, of course not saying getting ridiculous stats will happen, just that it might be possible.

True Heroic Spirit Rushorou (or whatever name we eventually pick) will probably end up as an absolute bullshit tier Servant.
Right now, Yumigawa is the Alexander to the Iskandar he is destined to become.
Scathach is technically still alive right? We could see if Circe is able to break into The Land of Shadows. She is pretty much the best trainer possible.
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>>3511251
>spoiler
>implying she'd be willing to help
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>>3511266
just gotta prove that we have a reasonable chance of beating her in a duel to the death
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>>3511251
You don't use a spear, anon.
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>>3511301
I mean, she's unkillable but sure.
Not really like that's stopped anyone dying in this series before.
Or just throw a Shiki at her.
She's got a natural eye for Talent and Rushorou has quite an amount of potential.
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>>3511311
We didn't use a sword either, but here we are.
As Saber.
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A list of ways to increase our battle power during/after(?) this war
>find Circe and Adelheid
>train conversion magecraft
>train magecraft in general
>attempt to get Golden Rule by gambling (how does this help again?)
>attempt to replicate Mana Burst if we see it's use
>befriend children
>get a Master who won't shiv us in the back for the Root
>Bring back Age of Gods
>Get Circe her divinity back
>acquire C4
>see if we can break into the Land of Shadows
>see if we can get trained by Scáthatch
>learn how to drive a car and ride a horse
>a shit ton of combat training
Any more?
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>>3511407

>Learn at least the First Magic, possibly the Fourth as well.
>Kill some/all of the DAAs
>Pull a Merlin and turn Primate Murder into a house pet
>Attempt to get Imperial Privilege
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>>3511407
>find Circe and Adelheid
Anon...
>train conversion magecraft
>train magecraft in general
Both great options.
>attempt to get Golden Rule by gambling (how does this help again?)
It doesn't.
>attempt to replicate Mana Burst if we see it's use
Unlikely but possible.
>befriend children
That wouldn't help us get stronger, I don't think.
>get a Master who won't shiv us in the back for the Root
Top priority at the moment, but I doubt Jean knows about it.
>Bring back Age of Gods
lolno
>Get Circe her divinity back
Unlikely but possible
>acquire C4
Nah.jpg
>see if we can break into the Land of Shadows
Eh...
>see if we can get trained by Scáthatch
She ever train anybody after Cú?
>learn how to drive a car and ride a horse
If we get on Medusa's good side; we haven't made a good first impression.
>a shit ton of combat training
A definite must.

>>3511415
>any of those suggestions
pic
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>>3511415
>kill all of the DAAs
Anon I...

>Primate Murder
>Crimson Moon
>Zelretch
>ORT

Also IP is easy. Just become Emperor of Mankind.
True Magic is a nightmare to get.
We'd have an easier time learning High Speed Divine Words than going for something that hundreds of thousands of magi over thousands of years couldn't figure out.
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>>3511427

I don't see you providing ideas boy, I wanna go big or go home. Your lack of ambition here is disappointing, we have a legend to make! And I'm not gonna sit around and let our most notable gain from it be Predatory Charisma and being a numberman

>>3511429

>Primate Murder

Like I said, turn him into a house pet just like Merlin did.

>Crimson Moon
>Zelretch

Put them against one another and help out Zelretch by helping him bring down his hated enemy the moon once and for all. Maybe even learn the Second magic from him

>ORT

I'm not even sure if he'd show up honestly. The rest however would be a piece of piss to bring down honestly.

>True Magic is a nightmare to get.
We'd have an easier time learning High Speed Divine Words than going for something that hundreds of thousands of magi over thousands of years couldn't figure out.
>HSDW

Well there's an idea, besides I'm thinking it in terms of our legend. How many Casters have ended up learning even one of the True Magics who are not named Ishtar and Paravati? Besides not as though I'm suggesting we go and kill Ayala/The Counter Force or something even more ridiculous.
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>>3511427
Golden Rule is somewhat useful.
Not in a direct fight but having a shit ton of money never hurts.
Befriending Children/Teenagers is for the possible Charisma evolution. If it works on people who look juvenile and Arturia stopped aging when she was 15...
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Ok can someone explain the "anon I..." joke to me?
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>>3511472
Anon... I...
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>>3511449
>I don't see you providing ideas boy
Because combat training and magecraft were already taken by the time I came back.
>>3511472
>he doesn't know
Anon...
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>>3511472

Anon..............................................................................................................I.....................................................................................................................................................
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>>3511407
Oh right.
>nearly die in a fight to get Battle Continuation.
>retreat tactically for Disengage
>actually decide on our name and what we're gonna call our NPs.
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>>3511532
>actually decide on our name and what we're gonna call our NPs.
I can't wait for the vote on this one. It'll come up soon enough.
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>>3511546
Our name or our NPs?
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>>3511558
The NP names are more directly and immediately integrated into the story. I'm still thinking about the best way to have you pick a true name for Saber.
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>>3511562
You updating?
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>>3511586
I'm writing an update now, yes.
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A groan from your stomach decides you. You'll stay here for the evening and discuss further details of what the Emiya family can tell you over dinner. "I'm not particular about food," you say jovially, "but please do make the portions large. I'm half-starved, to tell you the truth!"

Emiya laughs from the kitchen, and calls back, "Alright, I'll make plenty!" Then he mutters something about "a Saber's appetite," but you can't quite make it out.

Turning your eyes to the darkening sky again, you decide it would be prudent to contact Vaisset. The man may have been tired of speaking with you, but you doubt he intended for you to disappear entirely after all. Reaching out your mind for the mental contact between Master and Servant, you send a thought to him. 'Master, you should know that I won't be at the mansion for some time. After you seeing Miss Ayaka home, I took it upon myself to investigate the layout of this city and scout for potential Masters.'

Vaisset's response sounds distracted and disinterested. Presumably you interrupted him in the midst of some other pursuit. 'Very well, act at your discretion. I'll bring you here by command spell if I have need of you.' There's a moment of silence before another, more alert question. 'Just a moment, Saber. What did you find?'

'While scanning the town, I discovered a huge source of mystic energy,' you explain. It's not technically a lie. 'It may be a Servant, or possibly something else entirely. Whatever it is, it must be investigated. I'll give you more information when I have it.'

'Very well, Saber,' Vaisset assents, sounding resigned. 'Take as much time as you need, but be careful. The last thing I need is for my Servant to die without accomplishing anything because he rushed into the unknown.'

Vaisset is all heart. What a character.

'I understand, Master,' you return. 'Good evening to you.'

As you return your attention to your surroundings, you realize that Emiya's wife, Sakura, has been watching you closely. The telepathic conversation should be undetectable, of course, but she certainly noticed you staring off into space.

"You have to explain where you are to your Master, I suppose," she says softly, and you have to hold the look of surprise from your face. What a moment of insight! "Don't feel pressured to stay if it will get you in trouble. I know it's easy to get caught up in Senpai's mood, but we'll still be here tomorrow."

"You needn't worry on my behalf," you answer, subduing your disquiet at her strange understanding to give the woman a smile. "I won't have any trouble from my Master, and I'd much rather spend the evening here. We don't get on very well, he and I."
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Before you can say more, you hear the door opening and two young voices announcing their return home. Rider returns to the living room, and a boy and girl in middle-school uniforms follow, taking seats at the table. The boy immediately reaches out to take an orange from the bowl at the table's center, and eyes you as with suspicion as he eats. The girl has better manners, sitting down beside her mother and saying, "Hello. Are you a guest of my father's?"

Sakura favors both with warm smiles, saying, "Welcome home, you two. Saber-san, these are our children, Kaori and Seiji. They're fourteen, and in middle-school. Seiji, Kaori, this is Saber. He'll be working with your father for a while, so we'll probably be seeing quite a bit of him in the next few weeks."

The boy, Seiji, gives you a moody stare and says to his mother, "Hope he isn't staying. It's already bad enough with Aunt Rin coming."

If his sister feels the same apprehension, it doesn't show on her face. In fact, she's had the same neutral expression since she came in. "I'm Emiya Kaori," she says with a slight bow. "It's a pleasure to meet you, Saber-san."

"I'm pleased to meet you both," you reply. "My name is Saber, as your mother mentioned. And Seiji-kun, you can put your mind at rest. Barring some sudden catastrophe, I won't be taking up a room in your home."

After introducing yourself, you become something of a bystander as the two teens discuss their day with their mother. They are an odd pair, to be sure. They look no more related than their parents do, for one thing; it's shocking to think they're twins. As Sakura and her daughter sit side by side, you feel as if you're looking at the same woman at different ages. Sakura is taller, has longer hair, and is plainly older, but there's nothing in the comparison to suggest different parentage. They even share a matching red ribbon in their hair, completing the image. Seiji and Shirou are similarly alike, although not to the same extreme. The Emiya father's red hair and brown eyes are replicated on his son, with the difference being one of style. Where Emiya's hair is messy and jagged, Seiji has his combed straight and parted on the side. The son wears glasses, also, but could otherwise be a young Emiya Shirou.

The other notable contrast between the two is in their attitude, though you've heard that's relatively common among siblings. As an only child, you wouldn't know. Kaori is respectful, quiet, and restrained, with an emotionless quality that reminds you of yourself at her age. Seiji is just the opposite; despite his clean-cut appearance, he seems to be feeling the brunt of puberty. The boy has the disrespectful, quick-to-anger personality typical of the teenage male.
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Finally Emiya brings out the food: udon soup with shiitake, konbu, green onions, and tempura. It's a classic, simple recipe, ideal for warming you in the November chill. The broth is flavorful without being overpowering, the noodles are perfectly chewy, and the various toppings add flavor variety to each bite. Eating voraciously, you end up having four bowls without stopping to think. Evidently the change to a Servant's body has enhanced your need for energy as well as your power. For some reason, this display of appetite amuses the Emiya couple to no end.

After dinner, Kaori and Seiji retreat to their respective rooms, leaving you to discuss matters with Rider and their parents.

"Sorry we couldn't talk about the War over dinner," Shirou says once they're out of earshot. "We've kept the kids unaware of the Moonlit World, and I certainly don't want this to be their introduction."

You cock an eyebrow in surprise. "You mean you aren't raising an heir?"

"I'm not really a magus," Shirou explains. "Just a spellcaster; I don't have a crest, don't research new mysteries... there's nothing to pass on."

"I see."

"But I'm getting us off topic," Shirou says with a self-deprecating smile. "You want to know about the other Grail Wars, right?"

You nod. "If you don't mind telling me. I may have an idea of what's going on now, but as to the beginnings of the affair I'm quite ignorant."

"Alright," Shirou says. "To begin, I should tell you that there were five previous Grail Wars. All in Fuyuki City, in Kyushu: my hometown. The first four were every sixty years, but the fifth was only ten years after the fourth. I was a kid when the fourth war happened, in 1994, and went through the fifth war as a Master." He pauses for a moment to reflect, before moving on.

"That's how I'm related to this thing, anyway. Now I'll give you some background. The Holy Grail War was originally conceived by the Einzbern family as a ritual to bring forth a massive supply of energy, the Holy Grail, and with it to complete the Third Sorcery and achieve perfect immortality. They took on two other houses, the Matou and the Tohsaka, to help design and conduct the ritual. The Matou created the command spells, and the Tohsaka oversaw the land whose mana powered the ritual. These were known as the three founding families, and they had representatives in every War. The ritual needed seven magi and seven Servants, though, so outsiders like me ended up getting roped in. The Servants, and having them die, are essential; their spirits power the Grail. Originally the Masters were all supposed to use their command spells to order their Servants to commit suicide, but apparently it turned into a fight over the Grail back during the first War. After that, things gradually became the way they are now. The Grail's been filled with blood and curses, and that's all that will come of completing the ritual."

>[ ] Write in your response and/or questions about the Holy Grail War.
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>>3511767
>[ ] Write in your response and/or questions about the Holy Grail War.
What is the Third Sorcery?
Going by the name, I'm assuming there are others?
Is the original purpose of the Command Spells common knowledge?
What did you mean by "blood and curses", isn't the point of the Grail to "grant ones wish"?
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>>3511803
Some things along those lines.
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>>3511803
Support
Kinda sums up everything we could ask.
Maybe add the dawning realisation that the Servants were all always meant to die for the "Third Sorcery" instead of being given the wish they fought for.
Magi fucking suck.
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>>3511846
>Magi fucking suck.
I don't know, that's always been one of the aspects of the War I find less objectionable. Servants are normally copies of a dead and timeless heroic spirit in the first place. They don't really have what we could call "life." Is it wrong to kill something that was never more than a shade in the first place?
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>>3511759
>Sakura still refers to Shirou as Senpai
Huh. You'd think she might grow out of it after a decade and a half, but I guess not.

>>3511803
Supporting. Pretty much everything we could ask based on the conversation we just had.

>>3511869
>They don't really have what we could call "life."
How so? They're effectively an imperfect resurrection of the hero in question, just as capable of thought, feeling and even death as people who are still alive. Servants are also more or less products of an incomplete version of the Third Sorcery, limited only by the strength of their new body and their need for energy. If there's nothing wrong with killing a Servant, then it's hard to claim there would be be anything immoral about Rushorou killing Shirou right now.
That's not even considering the ethics of making a promise that you fully intend to break by murdering the one you've lied to.
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>>3511869
Is it wrong to (somewhat) bring somebody back to life under the pretense they get to make a wish if they beat all the other murder ghosts and then force them to kill themselves so you can become immortal?
Servants may be copies of dead heroes, but they are still "alive" in a way. They all clearly still have emotions other than an intent to kill, even the Berserkers.
Lots of the heroic spirits just want a second chance where they aren't fucked with by prophecy or gods fucking about.

Is it wrong to get so buttfurious that this simple plan to betray Servants failed twice you try to summon Satan?
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>>3511869

The problem is that even a fraction of a heroic spirit is still something that's leagues above humanity, with hopes and dreams. If it wasn't a big deal, they would tell them rather than lying about it.
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>>3511767
Ask what is his deal with the Einzberns. We know a bit about them but not much besides what we were just told about.
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>>3511910
>You'd think she might grow out of it after a decade and a half
You know, I thought about this. But also, I've met couples who've been calling each other the same pet names for decades. Decided to run with it as an endearing character element.
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>>3511998
Maybe not in the way you typed but, yes, we should ask about the family that we've constantly been mistaken for.
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>>3512027
Unless it's a particularly sore subject (it is), then we drop it.
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>>3511803

Supporting but also adding in.

>You say "Third" Sorcery, does that mean there are more of these Sorceries?
>Since you were a Master of the last war Shirou, who was your Servant? I'd assume it's Rider here
>What else is there you could mention about the Einzberns?
>Who is this 'Rin' your son mentioned? Is she a relative of your's?
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>>3512053
I'll support also adding on that.
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Also
>Rin is coming to town
Either Rin got selected as a Master, it's a coincidence or Shirou has already contacted her to tell her something is up.
Rin would also be a far superior Master to Vaisset.
Just sayin.
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>>3512241
If he tells us Rin is a very strong Magus we can see about switching over, hell we may have questions for her like how do we get Circe back?
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>wanting to join up with a tsundere, our least compatible archetype
I know that /ourguy/ doesn't know that but still...
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>>3512395

And get some Second hand magic learning. Eh? Ehhhhh?

>>3512405

We've dealt with one before, and besides do you wanna be stuck with a Master who got us stuck into this situation in the first place?
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>>3512395
I'd honestly liked Vaisset to have not been useless but the man is honestly pretty worthless.
Literally the only reason anyone here doesn't want to kill him is that it might make his sister sad
>>3512405
Nah, we're only incompatible with tsunderes when they have no actual excuse to be able to act like a tsun towards us and get away with it.

Truvi was kinda useless considering we had Circe to explain anything magical we might need to know other than knowledge about the current world.
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>>3512412
>do you wanna be stuck with a Master who got us stuck into this situation in the first place?
Never said that.
>>3512418
You might have a point.
That's a definite plus.
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>>3512436

>Never said that.

Just trying to figure it out.

Also just thought of something, if we've taken Judas out so there is no Caster...what are the chances that a new Caster will take his place?
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I mean I was thinking that if we play some sympathy points Rin might agree to help, if we say we want to be human and get our Circe back.

Maybe if she is a something in the Association we can bribe Vaisset get him and/or his sister a full Clocktower tuition.
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>>3512457
Highly unlikely. Probably 2 Sabers instead.
>>3512436
It might be unlikely but Rin is one of the best possible Masters to get.

>>3512463
>implying any of the SN crew will want to help a guy who ordered the killing of 1000 people with no remorse
Probably not happening.

man how will Circe react when she finds out we're almost a proper Hero now. How will Adelheid react?
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>>3512463
Also if Shirou can still Trace then RURU BUREAKA is also a possibility.
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>>3512479
Did Vaisset know what it was going to do exactly? If we word it a certain way we can get him in a innocent light too.

>>3512484
>Shirou can Trace On still
>We learn it
>Along with imaginary space manipulation
>BootlegGateofBabylon.exe and BootlegUnlimitedBladeWorks.exe has finished downloading
As a final touch lets learn Archery from him.
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>>3512503
>We learn it
But his Origin is "Sword", we can't replicate that.
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>>3512511
Don't be a quitter Anon, it is our duty to become as busted as possible.
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>>3512517

I agree wholeheartedly, however. Who needs BootlegGoB and UBW when we can learn some of the Second Magic from Rin?
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>>3512523
Why not all of it? What would we call it if we combine it all?
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I'll be honest, I really liked Akeldama partially because it had nothing to do with the F/SN cast. I hope this won't be too focused on them.
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>>3512530

MARS DERR WELTERKRIEG
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>>3512537
It all depends on us.
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>>3512530

Flight of the Valkyries
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>>3512537
Honestly I fully expect for one of them, probably Rider, to realize Rushorou’s true nature and for them to actively contest his ultimate triumph. Remember, regardless of High Jumping, they ultimately stand in Rushorou’s way.
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>>3512537
>I hope this won't be too focused on them.
I don't intend for it to be. You still haven't met most of the participants in the Tokyo Grail War, and they're ultimately the ones driving the course of events. That said, >>3512552 applies. This is a player-driven narrative, and if you folks decide you want to make Rin your master or team up with Emiya full-time, I'll just have to adjust my plans.
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1944 is for ADELHEID
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>>3512053
>>3511767
Support for this collection btw
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>>3512634
I just worry that we'll discard all previous characterization because the players like the F/SN characters more than Rushurou would himself. But obviously I'm biased too so whatever.
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>>3512680

Hey man, if there's a reason that I'd wanna hang out with the F/SN cast it's because our master is a useless cunt that got us into this situation. Don't wanna kill him since he has his little sister, so best option is to try and get them outta the War without them having to suffer for it.

That and gaining more power for our legend, besides way I see them as old friends made new once again.
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>>3512742
>our master is a useless cunt
People, people, people! Why do you all conclude that Vaisset is incompetent? There hasn't been a single combat situation yet, he gathered vital information on the Masters dispatched by the Clock Tower, and you aren't short on mystic energy. I'm honestly baffled as to how this became the majority view.
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>>3512753
I sometimes like to believe we’re all just RPing as a judgemental, egotistical kaichou and we make snap calls and stick with them until proven otherwise.
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>>3512753
I personally don't think he's useless, just a cunt.
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>>3512753
This. He's useless for our purposes, not useless as a Master.
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>>3512753
a tripfag said it over and over so it must be true
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>>3512753
Because he just lets his servants do whatever they want and gives no shit about what they are doing regardless of the consequences of what they do to either reveal themselves or magic as a whole. Which would cause the Church to probably go directly after the master.


Which I am a bit worried about due to 1050 people disappearing.
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I still personally think we'd be better off with Ayaka.
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>>3512753

It's namely my initial preconception, he has time for this to change my view but for now I'm sticking with it since he did put us into this situation in the first place by telling Judas to hop to it and I kinda resent him for it desu.

Besides, if he has yet to treat us with respect I'll not respect him either until he shows himself to be actually worthy of it. To me anyway, not sure about the rest. I trust you have a plan for him and I'm just providing commentary about the man at the start of his characterization.
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>>3512776
He's trusting us to do the "right" thing.
And we haven't shown any signs of being untrustworthy.
>>3512778
Well, yeah, because she likes what she sees and we can use that to manipulate her; I leave it to the anons to decide whether or not they want to do that.
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>>3512753
also they were expecting a waifu master
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>>3512791
treacherous dogs
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>>3512759
That's fair.
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>>3512791
>spoiler
But Judas referred to his Master as an "he", there was no way to even assume that.
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>>3512810
I might also add that Rushorou’s perception of Magic and Magi is undoubtably bent by the Circe-Truvi experiences, where modern magi certainly *seem* like a bunch of bumbling, erratic fools. Imagine a witch like Circe being your first experience of a magic-user, only to come to realize that most magic users in the modern period haven’t a mote of her talent and power.
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>>3512824
Circe did bemoan the scrubbiness of modern Magi and the failure of the cult of Hecate, but has it really been hammered in yet? We haven't seen much from anyone except her yet.
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>>3512753
I don't care If he's extremely competent or not. In fact, I'd go so far as to assume he's on the higher end of competency without truly stepping Into notably scary territory.

Even so, fuck Vaisset. Despite us being a kind-of-servant because of the Akeldama and thus because of Vaisset he's a prick willing to kill kill hundreds If not thousands to get to the root, but mainly he fucked with Circe and Adelheid. He's taking his sister's place out of a desire to protect her (maybe) and while I'm not sure If he needs to die, I honestly wouldn't care If he did, though I'd feel sorry for his sister. Unless she's a hidden antagonist and we've fallen for her cutesy front, she's already got an assassin servant with extremely high presence concealment and she's going to completely fucking blindside us with the reveal, If not outright orchestrate some out-of-nowhere dead ends that can't directly be traced back to her. I'm not paranoid unless I'm wrong, and I may as well start shadowrunning before It's too late.

Really though, all I want out of this war Is for Rushorou to come out powerful and alive, I'd like to be able to walk the earth after all Is said and done, and hopefully reconnect with Circe. Anything else like preventing casualties or what have you are just convenient side-bonuses.
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>>3512944
>spoiler
Anon, this is Ayaka. I don't think Sweets can change her character that much, particularly if Manaka existed in this timeline. Now that would scare anyone straight
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>>3512753
I don't trust him in any manner because I dont think he is trustworthy and you confirmed my suspicions with this post.
>>3504544
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>>3512964
Any magus has that vested interest. It's the whole "get to the root" function.
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>>3512965
Fair. But to do that he would have to betray us, and that has not gone well for the people who tried it. Also he through negligence or disinterest killed over a thousand people; and has shown no remorse. If/when emiya finds out he is dead.
He might think he is making smart plays in this war, but as you have said he is unwilling to trust us. Then again we also dont trust him either.
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>>3493281
>"Akeldama was not simply a ritual to harvest energy, Mr. Vaisset. It created its own world, the private domain of Caster, cut off from space and time." You keep your tone flat and authoritative as you explain, probing his face for any sign of deception or recognition. "To that world, Caster summoned over a thousand humans and nine Servants, including himself. He held his own private Holy Grail War, lasting ten days, the object being to see every summoned being dead. That was how he intended to absorb our energy, Mr. Vaisset; by our sacrifice."
>"Well, that's quite the strange ability," Vaisset says, visibly energized by curiosity. "Most unusual indeed. From the sound of it, it wasn't a Reality Marble, as they layer their effects over ordinary space-time, rather than being cut off. Could he truly have created an entirely separate world?" As he says this, Vaisset's attention drifts from your face; he seems to be focused more on the inner world of magical theory. Then his eyes snap back to yours. "Ah, but excuse me; I was becoming distracted. How did you manage to survive, Saber?" This is said in quite the conversational tone, as if the idea such a question might offend never crosses his mind.
>"On the tenth day of the Grail War, I was able to discover Caster's scheme and kill him inside his world. I wasn't sent back, however. Instead, the effect of Akeldama bound me to his role in the true Holy Grail War, out here: the role of your Servant." You fold your arms over your chest and grin smugly down at him. "Frankly, you should be grateful for the upgrade. Caster wasn't much of a fighter, you know."
>Vaisset pauses for a few breaths, staring off into space and muttering, "...and to think, all that happened in no more than a moment. I turned my back here, and for a thousand people ten days passed. Chronomancy on an unprecedented scale! Most incredible." Then he finds his voice, and returns to decent eye contact. "I suppose I truly am your Master then, Saber. I hope ours will prove to be a truly productive partnership."

We never told him that everyone died, did we? He could've assumed that most of those people were sent back after we killed him. yeah, as if
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>>3512975
Well from that post
>He held his own private Holy Grail War, lasting ten days, the object being to see every summoned being dead. That was how he intended to absorb our energy, Mr. Vaisset; by our sacrifice."

Should be clear indication of mass murder. And I could be wrong but isn't draining people fatal? Medea tried it to an extent in Fate.


Then again I could just not like Vaisset due to some conclusions I have believe he has.
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>>3512978
Whoops I forgot to include the sentence before what was quoted. That's important.
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>>3512978
>And I could be wrong but isn't draining people fatal? Medea tried it to an extent in Fate.
It is. Medusa did it too with Bloodfort Andromeda and she was killing people left and right.
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>>3512978
It's not.
Medea was choosing to non fatally drain people until Kuzuki told her to go nuts with it.
As for our Master, Rushorou probably despises him for his cowardice (doesn't do combat, basically told his servant to win for him and refuses to kill somebody personally despite his prior actions killing 1000 people.)
He's incompetent from Rushorou's perspective (Caster shows how shit magi have become, he's useless enough to constantly burn his sister's clothing (sis-con?) Also Rushorou is lying to him and he's buying it)
And biggest of all, he was the reason behind Akeldama, while Rushorou might not care about the innocent deaths (he did try to prevent them where he could though, but Cid was really working against us.) All of the personal anguish it caused rests squarely on Vaisset's head.
Our being shot, Circe almost dying, the betrayal...
Judas showed more regret with using it and apparently warned Vaisset against it.
>When Judas has a better moral compass/foresight than you.
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>>3512993
Bloodfort is a special case.
Even Medusa isn't usually fatal in draining people and she pretends she's a vampire.
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>>3512680
There's nothing OOC about hanging with the f/sn crew.
At least not right now
It might not be his priority but Rushorou did refuse to break into/bombard Assassin's base as collateral damage would have occurred so he does try and avoid innocents dying.
They're a valuable information source.
Also they are all strong as fuck and we don't know what sort of trick the Einzbern have prepared this time.
Finally if we do get Rin as our Master we can be assured she won't command us to kill ourselves unless we start doing obviously evil shit.

Also it's fucking Shirou, the man can befriend anyone not actively trying to murder him.
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>>3513026
>>3513035
Interesting.
>>3513059
Rin would probably be a better Master, but who knows when she'll get here? Better to play it safe, make friends with Shirou for now and get to learning more Skills and cry ourselves to sleep knowing that Circe and Adelheid are GONE
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>>3513102
>spoiler
We'll find them again damn it!
Even if we have to tear Europe apart looking!

Also yeah.
Unless the other Masters are fantastic then hanging around with Shirou is probably our best bet.
Wonder if we can learn Clairvoyance if we see him reinforce his eyesight.
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>>3513112
>Wonder if we can learn Clairvoyance if we see him reinforce his eyesight.
Clairvoyance only lets you see other places at A and above; otherwise it's just "40000000/40000000 vision" like EMIYA has.
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>>3513122
I know.
Doesn't mean it's not a useful skill to have.
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>>3513126
Furthermore, we don't learn skills by watching other people practice them. We learn them by practicing them.
And which Magecraft are we unable to perform?
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>>3513129
We don't know what's possible with magic yet anyway.
We don't learn the skill by seeing it done but we learn the possibility of the skill.
We won't know until we try at least.
If it does make stuff like that impossible I'd expect it to also make shit like Cybele not work on us at all.
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>>3513133
>We don't learn the skill by seeing it done but we learn the possibility of the skill.
Of course, that's always useful to know. We MIGHT get better at Riding if we see Medusa using it.
>We won't know until we try at least.
I was referring to >>3494477
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>>3513151
It's not like it's impossible to reinforce noble phantasms though.
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>>3513158
Of course not, it's just that we have no reason to break our NPs right now (or hopefully ever). Reinforcing them COULD be interesting, and learning to control the flow of our magical energy might be a first step toward Mana Burst.
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>>3513162
The breaking and the reinforcing are different for Archer I think.
He reinforces it so it's better as an arrow and breaks it so it ranks up.
I think.
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>when you realise that Perseus would have insta killed Rider and Archer by using Medusa's head to petrify them both.
Huh.
Well at least we can tell Medusa that he died like a pleb.
Died second in the war after JUSTinian despite having an assload of Noble Phantasms.
And he got shot in the chest by a nameless cowboy which immediately killed him before he could use her head.
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>>3513164
Nah, if you Reinforce your NP enough (read: shove enough magical energy into it) you break it: Diarmuid broke Gae Buidhe to allow Arturia to Excaliblast the monster Gilles summoned. Archer is just a cheating bastard who constantly breaks his Traced NPs because they're all disposable.
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Regular updates when?
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>>3513246
In the new thread. SWEETS, NEW THREAD WHEN?
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>>3513246
When Sweets is less busy.
A long well written update a day is still very nice and imo is far better than rapid updates that are poorly written and demand dice every 20 seconds.
Dice should be used sparingly in quests imo.
Sweets knows why after Justinians jobbing of the perils of rolling for NPCs.
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>>3513249
>SWEETS, NEW THREAD WHEN?
When this one hits page 9 or 10.

>>3513246
ASAP, anon. It's always ASAP. I have a lot going on IRL right now.

>>3513158
I was under the impression that altering NPs the way Archer does with Caladbolg II is something he could only accomplish due to the combination of his origin and element of Sword, as well as the weapons being his own projections. If you were aligned to Water elementally and had an origin of Overpowering or Growth or something along those lines, I could see you learning to apply reinforcement to Saber's body. As it is, it just isn't going to do much for you.

>>3513133
>If it does make stuff like that impossible I'd expect it to also make shit like Cybele not work on us at all.
This isn't the case because Cybele isn't a subjective effect. Regardless of the subject, Cybele will attempt to apply the same effect: petrification. Magic that functions that way isn't inhibited by Conceptual Biology. Reinforcement, however, is governed in its effects by what you're applying it to. It reinforces the material form of an object based on that object's conceptual nature. Due to the fact that you've been modified into a conceptual being, however, your concept and material are the same.
One other thing to point out, I did say that the same conceptual nature grants you your Magic Resistance B, which is an inhibitor to magic like Cybele.
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>>3513336
>Reinforcement, however, is governed in its effects by what you're applying it to. It reinforces the material form of an object based on that object's conceptual nature. Due to the fact that you've been modified into a conceptual being, however, your concept and material are the same.
This suggests that a Mystery which directly improved our conceptual core would have the same practical effect as Reinforcement...
But a Mystery like that would likely be a High Thaumaturgy at the least, probably a ritual.
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>>3513336
Cybele is really wierd in that it seems to work off of Magical Energy instead of Resistance but let's not talk about that.

Ah well, there are probably other ways to get stronger without using Trace-On man's bullshit.
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I wonder how Rushorou will react if he sees his servants again.

I also wonder how whatever Saber that shows up in this war will react to a Second Saber.
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>>3513736
>TearfulReunion.webm

Yeah, how will Rushorou react to some pretender claiming his title...
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>>3513757
Ah yes, then the Sabers start calling each other Fakers.
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>>3513757
The other Saber was summoned first, so...
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>>3513782
That Saber was outmoded as soon as Rushorou was summoned.
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finna try drawfagging a yumi version of kerrytugu's final ascension art with circe as the iri stand-in

unless there's a more appropriate one?
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So I transferred the text of the updates so far into Word for a local archive, and apparently Awakening Mirror is 10,000 words shorter so far than the prologue of F/SN. Just the prologue! Folks, do I need to step up my granularity of detail? What am I missing?
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>>3513782
And Kojiro was summoned before Hassan.
Time to call Saber "False Saber" at every opportunity.
>>3513794
You mean editing right?
>>3513799
The unlimited amount of autism only an unhappy edgy Nasu can produce.
It's fine.
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>>3513794
Sounds good. Do it.
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>>3513799
Fluff and detail doesn’t vibe with the questing format so much
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>>3513799
There hasn't yet been a fight scene in which you completely forget about the battle that's occurring and instead dump exposition that needs to be crammed in somewhere due to the autistic depth of your lore.
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>>3513813
nah, something like this.
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>>3513849

I can see Kiritsugu and Yumi bonding a bit.

Say when Circe is made Goddess of Magic again, should Yumi be ascended what would he be God of?
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>>3513870
>tfw everyone competing in this war is incompetent except me and the organiser is cheating with an Assassin servant.
>kill enemy masters
>use all means available for victory
>also the grail is a lie
Kiritsugu would reallllly want to kill Vaisset if he were around.
Heroes.
Suck my dick Gilgamesh
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>>3513870
God of Pride man, it’s such an easy one to take.
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Well, it's been a week. Anybody have any new ideas for Fate/Awakening Mirror's OP?
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>>3513908

I for one would use this, but go with what you like. Someone else may have a better idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5-DiAgs8Q&list=PLO5SV3gxbIeXu6Li8Kf7sIS2o-CdS50XD&index=10
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>>3513908
:shrug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvm7ncAFtfU
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>>3513799
Idk man, the pace of awakening mirror has been a little slow already
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>>3514030
It's not too bad, given that the War hasn't started yet.
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"Hold on," you say, "what do you mean by the Grail being 'filled with blood and curses'? I could understand blood if this were the original Holy Grail we were discussing, but a moment ago you described it as a supply of energy. If the Holy Grail is pure energy, how could it be filled with anything?"

"Ah, right, I guess I glossed over that part," Emiya says. "I can explain the ritual in a bit more detail; at least enough to explain how it's been warped. To really understand the inner workings, you'd need a better expert than me, though." He taps a finger on the table, considering his next words.

"The Holy Grail is essentially a two-part thing. There's a mechanism to the ritual, called the Greater Grail, which is embedded in the land. It collects energy from leylines over time, and then uses that energy during the Grail War to facilitate the summoning of Servants, the power of the command spells, and so on. The things an ordinary magus would be unable to do. The other part is the Lesser Grail, a, er..." Emiya looks uncomfortable for a moment, apparently searching for the perfect word.

Sakura gives his hand a squeeze and says with a faint smile, "a container, Senpai? I think that would be the right term."

"Right," he says hesitantly. "The Lesser Grail is a sort of container for magical energy, normally produced by the Einzberns. The Lesser Grail receives the spirits of the Servants as they die and converts them into energy. When all seven are killed, the Greater and Lesser Grails are supposed to create the real "Holy Grail" together: a path to the Origin, with an unlimited supply of energy cut off from time, enough for any magus to grant their wishes; as well as the key to the Third Sorcery."

"I suppose I understand so far," you say, "but how does such an energy supply become filled with curses? You aren't going to say it harbors the resentment of the dead Servants, I hope."

Shirou only frowns at your try for levity. "In a way, it does. For the first two wars the Grail was neutral, just like you thought. Pure and colorless energy that could be shaped to grant any wish. It was corrupted in the Third Holy Grail War. The Einzberns, who had failed to get their wish even though they created the ritual, had decided to break it. They altered the summoning process in such a way that they could summon the Zoroastrian devil. All the World's Evils, Angra Manyu."

"The devil?" You almost shout in surprise. "Just how could something like that be summoned as a 'heroic spirit'?"
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Shirou sighs. "It's a long story, and the details aren't worth getting into. The truth is that the hero summoned that way was just a scapegoat. A human who'd had all the evils of the world ascribed to him in order to allow the people in his society to see themselves as perfectly good. He wasn't a fighter or a conqueror, or even a real villain; just a normal human, quickly defeated in the Third Grail War. But when his spirit entered the Holy Grail, he corrupted its energy and filled it with the curses he held for humanity."

"The person you're describing," you say, "he was a wish himself, it sounds like. The wish for an enemy, a perfect devil. If the Holy Grail is a source of energy to grant wishes..."

It's Sakura who completes your thought. "That's right, Saber. The Holy Grail in Fuyuki granted the wish for Angra Manyu to be a demon capable of embodying all evil; if the ritual had been completed, he would have been born into this world to destroy humanity."

"The last two Grail Wars," Shirou continues, "were waged to build up the energy Angra Manyu needed to come into the world. My father, Emiya Kiritsugu, stopped the Fourth Grail War, and I worked together with other Masters to stop the Fifth. I can't guess why the Einzberns would want to do this again, but we'll just have to put an end to it this time. Now that you understand the true danger of the Holy Grail, I'm sure we can count on you as well, Saber."

"Yes, of course," you lie. Frankly, you're not at all sure about Emiya's story. He seems earnest enough, but there are issues with the story. The first being that the Einzberns, at least according to Vaisset, have a deep understanding of the Holy Grail's composition. If that's true, why would they begin the same ritual a sixth time after it had been effectively ruined? Then there's the change of location. From Emiya's story, this is a ritual deeply tied to the land where it's held. Why would it suddenly be relocated to Tokyo? Most importantly, no part of Emiya's story explains the abnormally high energy possessed by he and his wife. You'd like to press Emiya for details on these matters, but he obviously left out the details intentionally and seems to view the Grail War as some kind of personal crusade. It be for the best, you decide, to go along for the moment.

Shifting topics, you say, "I'm curious about this Third Sorcery the Einzberns have been working to achieve. I've heard of the Sorcerers, of course, but I'm not familiar with the specifics. Just what is the Third Sorcery?"
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"It's a path to immortality," Shirou says. "The last time it was explained to me was fifteen years ago, so I'm not too clear on the details, but it's supposed to use the Origin to materialize the soul by enhancing it in some way. The spirit itself becomes a higher level of existence, able to affect the world without being affected by it. For how it's performed or the detail of the mechanics, your guess is as good as mine though. Only the Einzberns understand it, and they keep the secret pretty well."

"Fascinating," you say. "I don't suppose you can tell me anything about the others, can you?"

"Not much," Shirou replies. "Of the Five Sorceries, I only have any information on the Second and Third; the others are kept secret pretty well. The Second Sorcery has to do with observing and using parallel worlds, but you could learn more from my sister-in-law, Rin."

"And who might she be?" You lean forward, intrigued. Magic to do with parallel worlds... could it shed more light on the function of your origin?

"Sakura's sister, a magus studying at the Clock Tower as an apprentice of the Second Sorcerer," Shirou explains. "Normally she lives in London, but if you're interested in the Second Sorcery you may be in luck. She announced a week ago that she'd be visiting us this weekend." Shirou pauses as an idea strikes. "Now that I think about it, I wonder if she'd heard about the Grail War. The timing certainly lines up."

"Well then, I'll look forward to speaking with her," you say. "But right now I have some more questions about the Holy Grail War, if you don't mind."

"Go ahead."

"You've said that all seven Servants are meant to die for the ritual to be completed, and the command spells are intended for that purpose. Is that something all of the Masters have been aware of?"

"You're wondering if the Master you've been tied to is planning to betray," Rider comments. It's her first contribution to the discussion, and by the content you get the impression she's none too fond of you. You choose to ignore her.

"Not as far as I know," Shirou says. "In the Fifth War, as far as I know only the Einzbern and Matou Masters, as well as the organizer from the Church, were aware of the real purpose. The Einzberns don't want anyone else getting their hands on the Third Sorcery, after all."

"That is a relief," you say. You consider asking further questions, but a glance at your watch reveals that it's 11:00pm. You start. How did it get so late already? Hurriedly, you say, "Thank you both for your help. I'd love to talk further, but unfortunately I must be getting back to my Master. If Assassin were to attack in his sleep, I doubt he'd have the chance to summon me back with a command spell."

Shirou nods. "I understand. Come back when you have the opportunity; hopefully by then I'll have more information on how to stop this version of the Holy Grail War." As he and Sakura stand to see you off, Sakura says, "Good night, Saber. Do be careful out there."
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"Of course," you tell her with a nod. Then you exit the Emiya house, back out on the street in the night air. You walk back the way you came, alone on the damp sidewalk. The rain earlier has fortunately passed, leaving clear and chilly skies. The neighborhood goes to bed early, it seems. The houses are dark and no cars pass by as you walk. The only sound is the clicking of your shoes on the pavement, and for a moment you feel as if you're back in the Akeldama, moving through a false and empty city.

Then you hear the low hum of a motor ahead, and the impression breaks. There is at least one person driving through the suburbs at night; you're only walking through a quiet neighborhood, not a lifeless world. The reassurance only lasts a few moments, though, as the car idling two blocks ahead of you comes into view. It's the same limousine you saw this afternoon, waiting at a corner. Waiting in your path.

>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)

>[ ] Take an alternate route. (Self-Preservation/Duty)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3514108
>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
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>>3514108
>>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
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>>3514108
>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
Claiming post 2019 for Circe.
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>>3514108
>the limousine again
This is gonna keep going until we actually face them, isn't it.
>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
Lead them to the park, where all the happenings are made.
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>>3514108
>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
Can't tell if they actually want to meet us or not after what happened at the school. Maybe they just didn't want to do it in the daylight?

>>3514140
I kind of want to find a bench and sit on it, in part for the joke and in part to dare the limo to take the initiative and approach.
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>snekgirl hates us
And so our track record with developed women continues...
So much for Riding lessons.
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>>3514178
Well, you know. She's kind of a harsh person.
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>>3514108

>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
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>>3514108
>[ ] Keep walking towards the limousine. (Pride/Curiosity)
"Hoh, you're approaching me? Then come as close as you like."
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>>3514262
We're technically approaching them.
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>>3514268
What if we went for the double pride option and stopped, beckoning the car to approach us
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>>3514268
They showed up first, that means they're approaching us.
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>>3514280
Genius. Just stare them down.
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>>3514284
Yes
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>>3514280
Do it
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>>3514262
Switching to >>3514280
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>>3514280

This sounds great, supporting
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>>3514280
I can just imagine them looking at each other in utter confusion as we tell them to come at us.
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“I, Yumigawa Rushorou, do not walk into any mere trap. I demand the trap walks into me!”
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>>3514512
>do not walk into any mere trap
Except those two times we did.
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>>3514521
No, the trap walked into us when Archer and Kikuko came by for dinner
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>>3514526
and when we sent Circe to her near-death?
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>>3514535
That one also came to us in the first place, remember?
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It looks like we're at a 4-4 tie between approaching the limousine and stopping to see what they do.
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>>3514651
I'll vote for stop.
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>>3514657
It fucking changed again, holy shit.
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>>3514651

I think it's 5-4 considering this anon here >>3514512

>>3514657

6-4 now
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Hey I've come up with an idea for a new true name after having some time to think on the names of Roman emperors. And the "Third Rome" successors, so I've come up with

Aeneas Augustus Basileus Peter Frederickson
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>>3514692
>wanting to be the second Whore of Babylon
>wanting to be looked down upon by fucking Gawain of all people
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>>3514692
Interesting idea. Basileus (or properly rendered basileios) was the Greek term for the emperor, though, and to my knowledge isn't derived from a personal name.
Which Frederick was tied to Rome, by the way? I can't think of any Holy Roman Emperors by the name.
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>>3514724
So our new name is _Basil_?
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>>3514724

I put in Basileus since there have been times shown where Roman emperors would refer to themselves as Augustus to just an equal a title compared with Imperator or Caesar. Figured may as well have a play on that idea and use Basileus as part of the name even though it's a title.

The Frederick I'm referring to can be held as a double meaning name as it were. Frederick the First of the HRE is better known as Barbarossa the man who reformed it into something more stable and powerful than before.

The Second is Frederick the Great of Prussia, the man who helped to make modern day Germany. Also should make mention of Peter referring to Peter the Great, the man who had helped to make modern Russia which considers is one which considers itself the Third Rome and having close ties to the Byzantines while the HRE is more inclined to Western Rome due to Charlemagne's empire stretching from Italy to just the start of Spain.

Something that'll maintain a connection between us, Circe and Adelheid in remembrance and melancholic longing for the 'good ol days'
>>3514723

>wanting to be looked down upon by fucking Gawain of all people

Gawain is a punk and I'd like to see him
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>>3514178
Hey we can still talk to her at least get on friendly terms with her.

>>3514280
I am 100% down with this.
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>>3514751
I don't mind the first three names but putting in "Aeneas" alongside "Peter Frederickson" is just weird because Aeneas was the ancestor of Romulus and Remus while Peter Frederickson is an oily, sweaty, middle-aged used-car salesman.

Basically go full Christian or not at all, that's my two cents
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>>3514767

I just wanted to make a connection between the Romes Anon. Although I'm not opposed to just removing those two last names with Charlemagne. Not like he'll show up here right?.....r-right?
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>>3514782
>spoiler
He shouldn't, because he's Extra timeline. I'd still prefer a single name, though; it's easier to remember.
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>>3514785

If we're gonna be a proper Nip turned Roman we gotta pull out all the stops I say. Besides I'm providing a full name that and it would be an advantage over true name fuckery iirc. Just use one of these names alternating between people
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>>3514751
Interesting. Regarding the Caesar/Augustus/Imperator title confusion, it was basically linguistic degradation over time, with the names Augustus and Caesar turned into ranks and the general term of commander (Imparator) conflated with the emperor. Basileios, on the other hand, was a term for Greek monarchs that predated the Roman Empire, so I tend to think of it as fairly separate.
Frederick Barbarossa, of course. I had forgotten his actual name, honestly. Peter the Great and Frederick the Great I'm familiar with, but since Prussia and the German Empire were making an intentional break from the old HRE, I was confused by the connection there.
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>>3514178
We've known her for like no time at all and it's fucking Rider.
Rider doesn't like anyone at first except Sakura.
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>>3514831
I was joking, anon. I figured my pic would've made that clear.
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>>3514841
Oh.
Well ok.
It's not impossible to get Snek to like us.
She's just wary of us as she should be, honestly.
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man, what's the deal with everyone in this quest not getting jokes
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>>3514906

Text isn't the best format for sarcastic comments
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>>3514912
Luckily, my comment is only partially sarcastic, so text is partially the best format if you work the math out. I'll take those odds
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>>3514906
Everyone in this thread is as autistic as Rushorou
>>3514944
Including you.
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>>3514948

Everyone in Type-Moon is autistic
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>>3514971
Everyone in Japan is autistic.
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>>3514971
hmm
Uh. Medea and Medusa aren't that autistic, they at least set attainable, reasonable goals for themselves.
Oh, I guess Mitsuzuri and Issei also aren't autistic too.
Sakura is less autistic than Rin, all things considered.
There are a few more non autistic characters but those 4 are like the least autistic people in Stay Night.
Everyone else
>has too much of a magus mindset
>is Kirei
>is the product of a life of autism following an impossible goal who wants to retcon themselves out of exisitng
>thinks he owns everything
>wants to retcon themselves out of existing for fucking everything up and dooming their country
>hates sparrows
>is a near emotionless ex-assassin
>is made of worms
>is a useless teacher and the least competent guardian imaginable
>is Shinji
>is a psychopath murderloli
>is said murderloli's maid who fucking hates anyone that isn't her
>Leysritt.
There. Honorable mention goes to Heracles, who wouldn't be autistic at all if he actually got to participate in a war without somebody fucking with his mind.
>some of the least autistic people in the war are a monster and The Witch of Betrayal.
Oh right, I forgot that you can easily defeat Rider by throwing small girls at her and giving her PTSD about her sisters.
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>>3515001
>thinks he owns everything
To be fair he owns ALMOST everything.
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>>3515021
He doesn't own a friend anymore though.
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>>3515026
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>>3515065
Maybe if Gil is lucky a dog will summon him.
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It's a shame Gil hasn't got a cape and instead has a wierd dress thing
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Speaking of Gilgamesh, would it be fair to assume he would actually be sane since this (probably) isn't the Fuyuki Grail?
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>>3515141
Eh, he was sane in the fourth war up until he got dunked.
He was just a dick.
It didn't alter him or make him go insane but it put him in a very very bad mood.
As did humanity being shit.
Thing with Gil though if he is summoned is he might just drink his youth potion if he thinks the war will be boring and let Ko-Gil deal with everything.
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>>3515144
>drink his youth potion if he thinks the war will be boring and let Ko-Gil deal with everything
This would've been the smart thing to do. Hell, Ko-Gil or Cas-Gil might've won where he lost.
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>>3515168
Well yeah but Ko-Gil would give even less fucks about the grail war and isn't an egotistical maniac.
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>>3515176
You know he'll be forced to fight after Kirei tries to molest himZouken tries to kill him while he's vulnerable.
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>>3515210
>spoiler
Lies and slander. Kotomine is a devout and pious man, who rejects any notion of sodomy.
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>>3515213
Please don't mind the basement full of orphans.
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So place your bets: how long would it take for the Einzbern to realize who we aren't, assuming we don't tell them?
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>>3515231
About the time it takes for us to materialise our armour.
Or for their Servant to point out we're actually a Servant.
Or when we blatantly have no idea what the fuck we're talking about
Or when their Mystic Eyes fail.
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>>3515238
Or for their Magi to realize we have a lot more magical energy than we should.
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>>3515238
>>3515259
Well when you guys put it that way, it wouldn't take longer than a minute or two.
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>>3515274
Then again they have been following us menacingly in a limousine for quite some time and haven't seemed to notice that this is putting them in mortal danger.
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>>3515281
Which means the "magical energy" thing is right out -- they were expecting us to have a stupid amount of it.
Now the question is "Under what circumstances would an Einzbern Homunculus have as much magical energy as a Servant?" The answer being "When it's the container of the Lesser Grail."

Or they want to know how we escaped Akeldama
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>>3515314
The real question is does Predatory Charisma work on people who are below 18, but look like adults.
Almost all Einzbern homunculi are made newly for whatever task.
Sella for example is 2.
Irisviel was a special case and she was what, 9?
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>>3515364
No?
Illya fucked with the grail so it couldn't be activated anymore but as if that's going to stop them.
If you mean the Dress of Heaven that was just Leysritt.
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>>3515379
>If you mean the Dress of Heaven
No, of course not.
Yes.
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>>3515363
Refer to >>3503138 and >>3503183
meltdown when
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>>3515395
What sort of meltdown?
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>>3515403
I think he meant breakdown
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>>3515395
The skill doesn't actually exist yet.
It might work if they are below that age or if they merely look below that age.
>>3515415
BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN
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>>3515419
LET THE JOY OF LOVE GIVE YOU CANCER
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>>3515419
Or it might be both.
Who knows?
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>>3515421
No seriously, what did you mean by meltdown?
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>This fucking behemoth of a thread is still alive
Holy shit, might as well blogpost.
>Take a break during thread 9 due to lack of time
>Read through threads 10 and this one over the course of three fucking days
>mfw finally killing Archer
>mfw Judas
>mfw the ACTUAL HGW hasn't even begun yet
>mfw this whole thread
This quest is really good, and all the regular posters make it extremely fun to read through.
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>>3515498
Glad to see you're all caught up.
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>finally have a city with people in where we can actually visit places
>can't take Circe and Adelheid on dates
Being Saber is suffering.
Vaisset will pay dearly for this temporary inconvenience.
If we actually find Circe before the end of the war the price will be even steeper considering she can pull off a lot more than just killing him.
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Question for you folks:
Did you like the interlude from Archer's perspective? How would you feel about similar interludes in the future? It's something that I felt lent a great deal to F/SN, and I have a scene in mind that there'd be no way for Saber to see. Of course, it is somewhat at odds with the questing format.
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>>3515930
>Did you like the interlude from Archer's perspective?
It was great because we couldn't see what happened anyway.
>I have a scene in mind that there'd be no way for Saber to see.
I don't mind as long as it's (going to be) relevant to the plot and doesn't leave any loose ends.
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>>3515930
I absolutely love interludes in quests.
A different perspective is always fresh and adds nicely to a quest.
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>>3515930
No, that kind of stuff is great as long as it’s relevant to a character that we care about and it isn’t the only update of a day. The archer one in particular was pretty nice.
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>>3515940
any unintended loose ends, I should say.
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>>3515930
Pretty nice. Rushorou obviously can't watch every fight or important event that happens in the city, but it kind of sucks for us as audience to miss the really cool shit, too unless the scene we miss is just setting up something we aren't meant to see coming, naturally
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At first, you don't react. You keep walking, resolved to stay your course and confront the enigmatic vehicle. Then, by the time you've covered half the distance, a new idea strikes you, and you stop dead. If they're willing to sit and wait for you to approach, you can reciprocate the behavior. For five or ten minutes, you stand on the sidewalk, a block away from the idling limousine, your eyes trained on the window. Finally they get tired of waiting. The car turns the corner and smoothly pulls up beside you. As it comes to a stop, one of the middle doors opens to reveal empty leather seats, facing the rear of the car. As it does so, some kind of a seal is broken and you can feel the energy of those inside the car. There are four presences within, all stronger than humans; but perplexingly inferior to the level of a Servant.

While you're considering the presences in the car, the voice of an old man calls out to you through the open door. It's certainly old, but also vibrant and a little humorous. "Sit down, my boy," he suggests. "After making us drive up to you like that, I'm sure you can do that much. You're letting in cold air, you know."

Hoping you won't regret it, you sit down and shut the door behind you. It's an old car, and well-kept, you observe as you look around. Dating from some time in the early 20th century, it oozes the elegance of a preserved antique, kept in excellent working order. What you find less appealing is the coloration. Everything, from the seats to the carpeting and even the siding, is done in muted shades deep red. Oxblood leather predominates. On the right wall is a small bar, stocked with wine, whiskey, ice, and a variety of glasses.

Two of the car's inhabitants are now behind you, in a driver's compartment separated from your space by glass. The other two sit across from you, watching you with equal scrutiny colored by wildly differing emotions.

One is an old man, perhaps in his early sixties, dressed in a navy three-piece suit and antiquated cravat. The primary impression features is of carved ivory, with extremely pale skin, white shoulder-length hair, a full beard, and ice-blue eyes. It is those eyes that belie his apparent age. They seem to glimmer with a font of hidden vital energy, as if the man might at any moment burst into laughter, or spring up and attack you. The same humor in his tone as he invited you in is plainly written on his face, and he seems to examine you like a man reading a finely crafted joke with too much restraint to laugh aloud.
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His companion is a beautiful young girl, around the same age as the Emiyas' children, or perhaps a bit younger. She wears an elaborate white and red Gothic dress, covered in ornamentation of lace and ribbons. Her white hair pools on the seat around her, and would fall past her waist if she were standing. Her most striking feature is a pair of red eyes, almost the same color as your own, or perhaps a bit brighter. As she gives you a pouty glare, those eyes shine in the car's low lighting like finely carved rubies embedded in the porcelain features of a doll.

"Well?" The short demand, in the girl's high, clear voice, puts you in mind you of the lovely tone of a bell; perhaps one of those small, ornate chimes used to call the servants in old mansions. "What are you doing here?"

It's certainly an offputting question, but coming from a child you suppose you can understand. No doubt this old man has been dragging the girl around on his strange errands all day. "I, too, would love to find out, miss," you answer in a gentle tone, hoping to placate the girl. Then you shift your focus back to the man. "Sir, why have you called me in here, and why has your car been following me? For that matter, who are you?"

"My name," the old man says, his irritating smile unchanging, "is Otto Niemand; but it won't do you any good knowing it. Your business is with the young mistress, here."

Baffled, you look back to the girl. Far from having the intended effect, you earlier words seem to have frustrated her even further. Rage now shapes her features. "Don't you behave as if this were some sort of a game," she hisses. "You answer me. What are you doing here? Are you another backup? On whose authority did you come, and when? And how much have you interfered already?"

>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] "I'm under no obligation to report the details of my goings-on to you, miss. Good evening." With that, you open the door and exit the limousine. (Pride)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
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>>3516071
>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
Haha.
You have no idea just how much danger you're probably in, Einzbern.
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>>3516071
>[X] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516071
You almost had me worried that that was Zelretch but the eyes don't match.
>[X] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516071
>[x] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516113
Nah, Zelretch would have an absolutely terrifying amount of magical energy.
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>>3516116
I skipped over the power levels, yeah.
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>>3516116
He did make an appearance in the route though, which made me worry.
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>>3516064
>muted shades deep red.
I proofread this before posting. How did I still manage to drop the word "of"?
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>>3516121
Zelretch luckily hardly ever interferes directly with things.
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>>3516071
>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516071
>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516071

>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516071
We know enough to know she's an Einzbern right?
But it is a game. And it's a game I intend to win. As for who I am, consider me a distant cousin of yours.
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>>3516149
>We know enough to know she's an Einzbern right?
You're not certain of the fact, but it's a reasonably educated guess.
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>>3516154

Wait a goddamn minute, Illiya?
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>>3516160
She's dead, anon.
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>>3516162

Ah right, forgot that she bit the dust in Heaven's Feel. Well not entirely sure who this homunculus here is but she seems to've confused us
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>>3516170
She'd be dead even if this wasn't Heavens Feel, anon.
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>>3516175

Fair enough
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>>3516149
Want to make an argument for your write-in, see if you can pull any votes?
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>>3516071
>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
> "It's not a game? You certainly had me fooled. I thought for sure you were trying to play tag earlier. If you want me to take you seriously, then treat me with the same respect. Why not start by introducing yourself?"
Come on, Einzbern. You don't get to stalk us all day and then act like you're in charge once you finally reveal yourself.
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>>3516218
Probably too little too late at this point, I just wanna stay mysterious and not act like we know nothing at all.
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>>3516218
Switching to >>3516326.
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>>3516327
You gotta fight for your write-ins, anon. Even if it seems too little too late, you might be able to turn it around.
Join me and we can /pride/ on an Einzbern.
Come on, we can revive Dueling Egos. Haven't had a bout of this since Truvi's ego was intact. You know you want it.
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>>3516149
>>3516326
Combine these
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>>3515474
It's something you'd understand if you read the last quest run by Gulag-Trapped QM, or were around when we talked about it here. Some guy sperged out so hard it killed Gulag, luckily for us Sweets is harder to kill than that
>>3516326
Do this.
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>>3516071
>>[ ] "I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss. Just who do you think I am, and who are you?"

Listen little girl, I have no clue who you think I am. Now go along and play house, the grown ups are talking.
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>>3516607
Oh, that meltdown! I'm waiting for one with bated breath. It'd be funny as hell.
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>>3516326
>>3516149

Well I can see these two working well together, pride to surpass all Einzberns and Gilgameshs combined
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With that switch, I think it's now tied 5-5.
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>>3516613
>pride to surpass
>Gilgamesh
Hold on now, let's not be too hasty. We're not DIO quite yet
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>>3516616

Oh I'm thinking of someone even more arrogant than even that, Hajun. Then again going that far would be like our very own Mind of Steel ending
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>>3516614

I think the options voted for would be able to go in together in a (Pride/Curiosity) version instead of (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
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>>3516326
>>3516071
I’ll roll with ID’s vote
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Is everyone who's voting for the write-ins in favor of combining the two? That's how I've been tallying it.
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>>3516679
Yeah, sure. What’s the worst that happens if we say Rushorou is related?
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Wait, why are we openly mocking somebody, in their own car, while surrounded again?
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>>3516687
I don't know, anon. >>3516149 is one thing, but you're really dialing up the arrogance with >>3516326.
I'll do my best to write a proper reason.
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>>3516687
Because they are maybe masters, we are a servant and we are going to be arrogant as all hell.
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>>3516693
>>3516701
NowI know I shouldn't have switched.
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>>3516705
If you switch once, you can switch again. Vote for what you want, anon.
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>>3516701
>Because they are maybe masters
This, especially, sounds like a bad thing.

>>3516708
I vote back to playing the fool again.
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>>3516712
If they are masters and they start to attack us we can just quickly kill them and get rid of FOUR out of Six of our worries about the war.
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>>3516708
Man these votes always end up tied. Have you thought of using a stricter voting time window?
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>>3516749
Because I post at such variable times of day, I prefer to give people as much time to vote as possible. I don't imagine all of you are online at the same time, after all.
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Well if I'm tying the vote up, then I'll vote for >>3516149 alone, that would break it; it denotes a smugness work a lesser chance at pissing everyone off.
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Mystery
>>3516755
>>3516149

Mockery
>>3516326
>>3516607
>>3516674

Write in combo
>>3516435
>>3516613

Ask questions
>>3516079
>>3516097
>>3516114
>>3516608
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>>3516622
>Hajun
abandon ship, man the women and children
>>3516791
Damn you all, vote with your hearts!
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>>3516843

Above all else, Avenger!Yumigawa Rushorou wants to be alone
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>>3516856
>Alone
No, for all we care the world can burn to dust as long as we have our Circe.
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>>3516864
and his m88
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>>3516864
>>3516871
>forgetting our best bro
How dare you...
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Reminder that this is what Adelheid looks like.
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>>3516889
>this girl wants your dick
Who's the real predator here?
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>>3516895

Those who decide to lewd the nazi loli
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>>3516889
Alright, then
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>>3516901
threesome
>>3516912
would unironically play this
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>>3516912
It honestly really bugs me that his eyes are brown here.
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>>3516622
Anon I don't think the world is ready for a Nasu+Masada joint chuuniventure just yet
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>>3516941
I haven't read Masada's stuff anyway, so it'd be troublesome to work that in.
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>>3516884
He will always live in our heart.
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>>3516941

The world may not me but I sure am. THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF POWER ACTIVATION CHANTING IN HISTORY
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>>3516976
Anon we know where he goes to school.
He's not dead.
>>3516895
Technically she's like 56 and Rushorou is like 17-18 so... her?
Circe is like hundreds or thousands of years old though.
>>3516791
Is it too late to switch to the combo?
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>>3516989
>Rushorou is like 17-18
I'll repeat it as many times as I need to. At the beginning of Fate/City Akeldama, Yumigawa Rushorou was 18 years old.

>Is it too late to switch to the combo?
Normally, I'd say no, but this update is like 90% done. So, yes.
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>but this update is like 90% done
Finally, my staying up is going to pay off.
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You're fairly sure this girl is one of the infamous Einzberns. Why they would give any kind of power in the Grail War to a child eludes you, but her appearance is similar enough to yours to justify the confusion Emiya and Truvietianne experienced. Then there's her incredible attitude of arrogant self-assuredness; it seems appropriate for the representative of those who orchestrated this ritual. Considering her probable identity, you decide to play dumb. It ought to be the best way of clearing up her misunderstanding and dragging more information out of her and this Niemand.

"I simply can't answer questions I don't understand, miss," you say, acting the part of a calm, yet confused outsider. "Just who do you think I am, and for that matter, who are you?" You look at Niemand, hoping for some intercession, but he only smirks and waits for the "young mistress" to respond.

"Ridiculous!" the girl exclaims with an exasperated expression. "It's true we haven't met personally, but I know you understand what I mean!" She then heaves a sigh. "Fine, if you insist on pretending ignorance we'll do this. She leans forward, looking straight into your eyes, and something in her own changes slightly. You can't put your finger on what it is, an odd shimmer or perhaps something just below your conscious observation, but there is something different. As she looks at you, you feel a vague impulse to follow her instructions. It's not overwhelming, but the desire is there; a whimsical, instinctive thought that you should simply go along.

"Now," the girl says, the previous irritation in her voice replaced by a sweet, pleasant tone, "When and how did you arrive in Tokyo?"

"I arrived just last night, in the small hours of the morning," you answer. Between your earlier decision to plead ignorance and the strange impulse to answer honestly, the words fall out of your mouth almost without thought. "I have no memory of traveling here. It was simply where I came to be."

Now the girl looks perturbed, and more than a little confused. It's a bit cute; certainly a more flattering expression than her earlier fury at being ignored in favor of Niemand. "You don't remember getting here? What about your instructions? Why were you sent here? Was it Grandfather?"

"I don't remember being sent here by anyone," you say. "Now, will you kindly explain what's going on?"
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The girl's transition out of anger is completed by your last statement, and she lets out a short peal of laughter before regaining her voice and answering, "you mean you don't remember anything?" Apparently the question is rhetorical, as she continues to herself, "So Grandfather sent a new servant, an older boy with no memories or orders." She smiles and narrows her eyes, like a child delighted at getting a new toy. Then she returns her address to you, and says, "Let's begin again, shall we?" With that, the girl hops off the seat to stand on the floor of the limousine and, in a bizarre shift of tone, dips elegantly into a formal curtsy.

"My name is Liliesviel von Einzbern," the girl says with a gentle smile. "It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. What's your name, onii-chan?"

As you look at the girl, Liliesviel, her figure seems to be overlaid by the memory of another girl under similar circumstances: Adelheid, telling you that you should take a new name for a new identity. You weren't sure then, but it's a certainty in your mind now that you aren't Yumigawa Rushorou anymore. No aspect of that person still exists. You're no longer a student; no longer emotionless or aimless; your face, body, and abilities have changed; you're not even human. No, you ought to have another name now, but what is it? You're tempted to simply put the problem off and give her a fake name, but there is that strange impulse within you to follow her instructions. Somehow you get the feeling that whatever name you give will be your true name, even if it isn't intended to be. In this still and strangely charged moment, whatever name falls from your lips will seize hold of your identity. Then a name springs into your mind, not chosen by rational consideration but seeming to appear instinctively from deep within you.

"Likewise, it is a pleasure," you say. "I am..."

>[ ] Alberich

>[ ] Sigismund

>[ ] Athanarich

>[ ] Egilhard

>[ ] Cipher

>[ ] Agilmar

>[ ] Something else (Write in)
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>>3517022
>Sigismund
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>>3517022

IT'S TIME I PUT MY IDEA TO EFFECT,

>Something Else: Aeneas Augustus Charlemagne.
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>>3517022
>Cipher
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>>3517022
>[ ] Sigismund

>choosing any name other than Sigismund
I siggy diggy
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>>3517022
>What's your name, onii-chan?"
>onii-chan
O-oh.
Also I see Magic Resistance is being as useful as it normally is. We could probably instantly snap out of the enchantment at least.
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>>3517073

>You're tempted to simply put the problem off and give her a fake name, but there is that strange impulse within you to follow her instructions. Somehow you get the feeling that whatever name you give will be your true name, even if it isn't intended to be. In this still and strangely charged moment, whatever name falls from your lips will seize hold of your identity. Then a name springs into your mind, not chosen by rational consideration but seeming to appear instinctively from deep within you.

This isn't the Einzbern here using an enchantment, it's finally picking a true name since we didn't before. So we gotta pick one since it's gonna be our new identity
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>>3517078
Anon, she's clearly using her Mystic Eyes.
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>>3517081

Anon, we're already underway with it so we may as well choose a name
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>>3517081
>using Mystic Eyes with a mental interference Mystery on anyone other than normalfags
They don't deserve the Grail.
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>>3517022
>[x] Alberich
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>>3517092
Yes anon I know.
I'm just wondering how her Mystic Eyes somewhat bypassed our Magic Resistance, then again it's not like we're being forced, we're just going along with it.
Even Shirou can break out of Illya's mystic eyes when he's aware of them.
Just wondering why they didn't autofizzle.
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>>3517022
>[ ] Cipher
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>>3517022
>[ ] Alberich
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>>3517100
>I'm just wondering how her Mystic Eyes somewhat bypassed our Magic Resistance
Mystic Eyes aren't Magecraft, so Magic Resistance is useless.
>Even Shirou can break out of Illya's mystic eyes when he's aware of them.
Yeah, awareness helps you break free: Cybele is noted to be more effective when the target is unaware of it, and Nrvnqsr's Mystic Eyes can be defeated if you stare back and resist.
Also, our high Magic rank lets us resist with our own magical energy.
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>>3517108
also something something Conceptual Biology
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>>3517022
>[X] Egilhard
Gonna stick to my guns.
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Man this is never gonna go anywhere like this.
I'd be willing to go for Egilhard but that still causes a draw.
don't get too attached to the talking cup, guys. She probably needs to die for us to incarnate.
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>>3517263
>I'd be willing to go for Egilhard
Traitor.
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>>3517022
>Sigismund
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>>3517022
>[ ] Sigismund
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>>3517022
>[ ] Cipher
Literally the only name that isn't pronounced like someone gargling dicks
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>>3517319
Yeah, Cipher sounds like somebody gargling semen instead.
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>>3517022
>Alberich
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>>3517319
Have you considered the write-in option?
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>>3517022
>[X] Alberich

>>3517324
Lel
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>it used to be Egilhard vs Alberich
>now it's Sigimund vs Alberich
Well shit, guess I'm gonna have to go Sigimund.
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>>3517100
>I'm just wondering how her Mystic Eyes somewhat bypassed our Magic Resistance, then again it's not like we're being forced, we're just going along with it.
So, I finally figured out why Cybele works against MGI rather than the Magic Resistance skill, and it's the same reason this scene happens the way it does. Magic Resistance nullifies magic targeting the Servant, but that isn't what Mystic Eyes are. They're either an inborn trait or, in the case of magi like Illya, magic targeting the user. That is to say, a large-scale ritual was used at some point to give this person Mystic Eyes.
Of course, this begs the question of what it is that affects the person looking into those eyes. The answer is that it is an effect of the magic targeted on someone else, not the magic itself. The reason why this can be dispeled by someone with a high Magical Energy stat is because it's accomplished by the other party's magical energy invading your body. The more circuits there are to cover in their energy (and the greater the quantity of your own energy to counteract this covering), the more difficult it is for Mystic Eyes to be effective.
Of course, you do have Magical Energy B, so you're not "bound" to the same extent Shirou was. They're only partially effective.
>Even Shirou can break out of Illya's mystic eyes when he's aware of them.
First, he must be aware of them. Second, he must know what they are. Third, he must know how they work and be already aware of a confirmed method of dispelling the effects. He explains that he knows all that in his internal monologue. Saber, by contrast, doesn't even know what Mystic Eyes are.
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Interesting that nobody went for Agilmar. It seemed to be one of the most popular options before.
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>>3517601
>[ ] Alberich
Fine.
>[ ] Sigismund
Patrician choice
>[ ] Athanarich
Not bad.
>[ ] Egilhard
This is the name of a burly gay stripper. He works in a duo with another stripper.
>[ ] Cipher
pic related
>[ ] Agilmar
This is the name of the other burly gay stripper.

You can see how it would be this way.
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>>3517601
I kind of didn't want our name to be able to be shortened to Agil or Egil or just Gil.
For obvious reasons.
If prefer that over being cut on the edge of "Cipher" though
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>>3517601
>He doesn’t want to finish the combat in one turn
C’mon sweets, join the all-out attack gang
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>>3517643
Sorry, this one is going over my head. Assuming it's a reference to one of the names? Character from a game, maybe?
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>>3517622
>Egilhard
>the name of a burly gay stripper
>thinking about gays when you see a Germanic name
Now what did he mean by this.
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>>3517662
The Commentarii sweets
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>>3517698
Oh yeah, I forgot to remove my name there. Oops.
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>>3517991
dumb questmaster
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I'm surprised the Einzbern girl doesn't have a servant with her.
This means
1) it's Archer and he's doing Archer things but not shooting us (?)
2) Assassin is sitting next to us
3) they haven't summoned a servant yet
4) they left their servant at whatever horribly out of place Castle they've set up in for some reason
5) they've summoned a bullshit gamebreaker again and are keeping them hidden.
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>>3518186
You can definitely bet on that last one. If this is a completely different Grail from the one in Fuyuki which it should be, the summoning rules might be fucked from the very beginning, too!
>Divine spirits!
>Rulers and Avengers!
>Demiservants!
>Fucking Foreigners!
We can expect anything from these fuckers. I know it's because of NP fuckery, but the Grail actually accepted US as a suitable replacement for Caster, granting us abilities, magical power and a class container we should not qualify for by any stretch.
And even if we just accept that we're only here because we cheated the system hard, the one servant we know for sure was summoned is fucking Judas, who is anything but a proper Heroic Spirit. And he was summoned by a random magus who isn't really invested in this whole Grail War thing, imagine what the foremost experts on cheating the system have done. Especially considering it's still their system and they must have learnt some lessons from the 5th Grail War.
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I will make you at least one promise, which is that there's no Ruler. It's an addition to the class system that I really can't stand. The addition of Ruler was one of my big issues with Apocrypha right from the beginning.
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>>3518325
Thank god.
It's so stupid. You'd think they would have just summoned a Ruler in every one of the 5 grail wars so things wouldn't go to shit.
But they didn't because Apocrypha is stupid and so is the existence of Ruler.
I do look forward to whatever bullshit servant the Einzbern went with anyway.
inb4 Saber with Rhongo catalyst.
hey isn't Rhongomyniad one of the things keeping the Age of Gods from returning?
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Well considering no one is going for my write-in option, may as well take the time to go through the meaning of these names and some historical/mythological figures with these names. See if there's any correlation between all the names here Swets provided

>Alberich: The name translates to ""ruler of supernatural beings", and is the name of a dwarf who had fought against and then served under Siegfried. Namely featured in Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen opera cycle. In the first opera Das Rheingold he steals gold from the river Rhein, renouncing love and gaining the power to smith a magic ring. Albreich is also the equivalent of the Old French name Auberon, which when translated into English would be Oberon: King of the Fae.

>Sigismund: Meaning "Protection through Victory", an alternate spelling for Sigmund. A hero of the Völsunga Saga and father to Sigurd, Sigmund is the one who gets Gram from out of the tree Odin had plunged it into.

>Athanarich: From what I've found it's another spelling for first king of the Visigoths who had been faced with invasions from the Romans, the Huns and a civil war against Christian rebels

>Cipher: The first word for meaning zero, but also a type of algorithm for encryption and decryption: Language, Numbers, Codes. All of that stuff, the name coming from the Arabic word Sifr which is of course Zero which is translated into Middle Latin

>Egilhard: Hadn't found much, but from what I did find there is a Saint Egilhard for Orthodox Christianity who was abbot of Cornelimünster and martyr'd by Vikings in 881

>Agilmar: Frankish archbishop of Vienne and served as arch-chancellor to the Holy Roman Emperor Lothair the First.

Connection I see between most of these names is German in origin, either in relation to historical figures or a part of the mythology, this might be due to Adelheid being the first to suggest us a new name. Egilhard a link between us and Circe through Greeceian culture. Athan is a name which still fits within the German theme while leaning into the connection to Rome which we would suggesting Augustus as a new name. And of course Cipher defines our new existence rather aptly, all speculation here so if Sweets could give an explanation I'd be happy for it
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>>3518352
>spoiler
>implying Mellioi II would allow that
>let alone Gray
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>>3518397
They're the Einzbern they can kinda do whatever the fuck they want by throwing homonculi at any issue.
Also it's been 15 years so who knows what could've happened.
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>>3518395
I don't like the idea of taking a historical figures name at all. We're disconnected from humanity as a conceptual being and I wanna embrace that with a non standard name, which is why Cipher makes sense to me more than any other, as it actually relates to our new existence.
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>>3518395
>Egilhard a link between us and Circe through Greeceian culture.
Gee, for all that talk about liking Circe you guys really dropped the ball, huh. Myself less so, for giving into the mob.
I personally wanted Egilhard because it basically translated to "brave blade".
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>>3518428
>Implying the story of Alberich isn’t a perfect reflection of Rushorou
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Anyways since no one is gonna go for my idea I'll switch my vote to
>>3517022

>Cipher


>>3518444

Look shitter you wanna work on trying to find an actual connection between these names and our Servants be my fucking guest.
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>>3518449

Alright, how so then? How is the story of Albreich a perfect reflection of Rushorou's anon?
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>>3518472
Cipher could actually lead to even more misunderstandings on the Einzbern girl's part. What with meaning zero and all, she might even think we're some new prototype homonculi.
You know what
fuck Sigismund.
Too close to Sieg.
>>3517022
Switching to
>Cipher
IT'S SO EDGY THOUGH DAMN IT.
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>>3518472
I don't need to, that was only really required for our NPs.
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>>3518488
>In the first opera Das Rheingold he steals gold from the river Rhein, renouncing love and gaining the power to smith a magic ring

>Gold=Grail coins
>renouncing love, gaining power

Also, “ruler of supernatural beings” is a great true name for Rushorou who aspires at least to some extent to dominate this new supernatural world he’s found.

>Cipher
Will be a tragedy if this name wins
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>>3518530
The other thing about Alberich is that, while the mythology behind it is nice, the name isn’t really claimed by any figures of historical significance
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>>3518508
>>3517022
Switching again to Alberich
God damn it.
What the hell am I doing
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>>3518555
Getting on the right side of history anon
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>>3518395
>if Sweets could give an explanation I'd be happy for it
Most of the explanation is earlier in this thread, but I'll be happy to summarize. Originally Adelheid suggested a few different Germanic names and a few different Roman names. Popular opinion leaned towards the Germanic, so when a player asked me to provide more suggestions for names I posted this list: >>3494938. Cipher was a write-in, using the rationale you suggested. Other player suggestions during that session were Zero, I, and Genesis, but Cipher was the only one that really gained any traction. Later I posted >>3497149 as a compilation of all the suggested names that had appeared in the thread, from me or you folks. Of those, the options I offered in this choice were those that seemed most popular.
For more detail on the other names:
>Alberich and Sigismund: Correct explanation
>Athanarich: Germanic name derived from word elements meaning year and power, respectively. Chosen because I like the sound of it.
>Egilhard: Germanic name derived from elements meaning "sword-edge" and "brave".
>Agilmar: Germanic name derived from elements meaning "sword-edge" and "famous".
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>>3518530

You know what, fair enough Anon.

>>3518555

You say to choose only one, however I say: Por que no los dos? Albreich Cipher would be a nice first name-last name basis, the first name befitting our current predicament and our drive to dominate the this new supernal world. Cipher being connection to our Origin and our current conceptual existence as no longer being human.

The duality between having once been human yet being empty, and a new non-human one filled with pride and ambition.
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>>3518618
Alberich Cipher sounds both pretty cool and like an actual code cracking cipher
Eeeh
Supporting if that's ok?
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Alberich
>>3517098
>>3517103
>>3517347
>>3517381

Sigismund
>>3517066
>>3517401
>>3517290
>>3517294

Cipher
>>3517034
>>3517102
>>3517319

Alberich Cipher
>>3518644
>>3518618
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>>3518694
That's one hell of a vote split.
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>>3518694
If Cipher anons and the other Alberich anons are okay with just going with both of them, I'm not opposed to the idea.
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>>3518763 Interesting. I remember there being an argument over 1 vs 2 names before where people came to agree that having only one name would be preferable. More mythic.
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>>3518774
I'd definitely prefer just the one name
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>>3518774
We were two names before we decided to play mind games with one.
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>>3518774
I personally have nothing against the two name idea, but would prefer to see what all the other voters think
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Alright, look. This is metaknowledge, so ignore it if you want, but I'm throwing it out there for your consideration.
Whether you choose two names or one will have a more immediate and significant impact on events than which name you choose.
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>>3518816
O fuck. Making me want to go with two...
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>>3518816
Just one
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>>3518816
It's about how the Einzbern girl will react isn't it?
Fine.
Alberich.
We can gain extra names/titles as we go
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>>3518816
I'm sticking with just Alberich then.
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>>3518816
Sweets you're gonna turn this vote into even more of a cluster fuck than it is already
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>>3518857
>>3518857
>>3518872

Look we don't even KNOW what the actual impact on the events would be. Would you rather be going with one name and just have a normal time than have two so we can have a more interesting time?

Are you all going to back out just because Sweets gave an idea that'd it'd make a greater impact on events even when none of us know what the hell it could result in?

Come on, if we're going to build up a great legend than we should take everything that we can get. Let's go down the rabbit hole of what two names leads to instead of playing it safe, risk and reward go hand in hand.

>>3518816

I'm sticking with two names of Alberich Cipher.
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>>3518816
Alright, officially switching to “Alberich Cipher”.
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>>3518857
>>3518937
We almost had the tie broken...
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Fuggit, going Alberich Cipher.
So much for mind games, but I'm curious about how fucked we'll be.
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>>3518974

Probably less fucked than deciding to play mind games with the Einzbern who's limo we're currently in, but just relax man. We won't know until it actually happens. Risk and Reward anon, Risk and Reward
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>>3518966
Fug.
Switching back to Alberich Cipher just to end the tie.
God damn it.
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>>3518966
>>3519017
Fucking hell. I don't want to tie it again, but I'm in the "one name" camp, so I'm switching to Alberich.
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>>3519017
Wait, stop! >>3518974 already ended the tie!
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>>3519023
I'll support Alberich if it breaks the tie.
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>>3519040
I'm also ok with the two names though.
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Alberich
>>3517098
>>3517103
>>3517381
>>3519023
>>3518857

Sigismund
>>3517066
>>3517290

Cipher
>>3517034
>>3517102
>>3517319

Alberich Cipher
>>3518618
>>3518937
>>3518974

SOLD!
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>>3519040
Shit. Do we have a tie right now? I'll switch again to Alberich Cipher if it finally ends this.
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>>3519049

Fucking hell, my efforts were for nothing in the end.
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>>3519082
We can always get a Last name later on.
More of an earned title or whatever though.
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>>3519082
Would you describe what you did as trying so hard?
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>>3519092

I try to find a compromise that I thought that would be sure to get us all under something of a more interesting result while getting in two names that'd fit in thematically.

But no, people went with just one name. I'm pretty bitter about this but whatever, best we get going on with the quest. I'm just one on a Mongolian throat-singing forum
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>>3519110
This is merely the beggining of our legend, anon. we can make our Last/Middle/One of our names related to shit we accomplish from this point onwards
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>cipher was too edgy for the players when literally everything else about Saber is already edgy
wew. guess we'll go with the nerdiest name of all time then.
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>>3519216
>nerdiest name of all time
Nope. That was Euler, remember?
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>>3519216
>wanting to call yourself mathematic terminology
>not nerdy
oh i'm laffin
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>>3519118

I suppose that's true, still don't feel well about either one of my name ideas going through. But w/e we'll move on

>>3519230

The name still fit with our existence
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>>3519237
that's the nature of quests.
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>>3519110
>>3519118
This, we’ll earn a second name the old-fashioned way. Alberich Bloodaxe when? Alberich the Conquerer when?
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>>3519236
>Alberich the Conquered
big think
Is this the title we get when Circe or Adelheid decide that no means yes?
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>>3519244
This is what happens when you post at dinner anons
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>>3519244
No, this is the title we get when they love-hatefuck us after we say they're both best girl.
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>>3519242

We'll earn more names and titles than there is bullshit in the Gate of Babylon
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>>3519242
>Alberich Bloodaxe
Bloodaxe King sounds pretty neat as a title. I'm sure it would make us way more memorable.
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>>3519242
>>3519304
But we don't have an axe.
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>>3519304
Oh yeah, nobody could ever forget a king who wields a bloody axe.
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>>3519309

Either way we should go for getting more than a few Kingships
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>>3519315
>getting more than a few Kingships
Anon...
WE MUST BECOME EMPEROR
for that sick Imperial Privilege bullshit
Regardless, the age of heroes is over unless we snap Rhonomyniad in two or something.
Though I'm almost certain the stupid fucking thing is absolutely indestructible.
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>everyone switches from Sigismund
Traitors, all of you.
>Though I'm almost certain the stupid fucking thing is absolutely indestructible.
guess what our sword does
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>>3519359
Anon, you don't want to try and cut something as fucky as Rhongomyniad in half.
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>>3519362

Of course, why cut Rhongo in half when we can take it for ourselves?
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>>3519359
The spear is literally holding the two sides of the World together like Enkidu did the Earth(original, not Gil), I doubt our sword can damage anything along the lines of an Anti-Purge NP.
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>>3519371
Yeah we're much better off just giving it to Circe and seeing how she can fuck with it.
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>>3519377
This is the answer to every question.
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"...Alberich," you say, after a momentary pause. "There's... no last name." It's true; you are Alberich now. As you say the words, you feel it within you, some essential mystic property that has up until now been in flux falling into place. The True Name of Saber is Alberich: A warrior not yet a hero, but one who will place himself among the ranks of Heroic Spirits in time.

Status Updated

"Ehehe~," Liliesviel giggles at your introduction. "Of course you only have one name, being who you are. Alberich... It sounds good. Grandfather must have had interesting plans, giving you such a regal name."

Niemand, too, lets out a chuckle on hearing your introduction. "Alberich, eh? I haven't heard that in many a long year. You're a bit tall for it though, aren't you? Heh heh heh." He sweeps his eyes between you and Liliesviel before continuing, "My, you two do make a pair though. With your looks and the oddity of your names, you two really ought to be siblings. How about it, missy? I'm sure you have a use for an older brother." His eyes twinkle as he throws out the jest, no doubt hoping to prod the girl into more anger.

Surprisingly, Liliesviel actually considers the idea. "Alberich as an older brother, hmm?" She gives you an impish smile and looks you over one more time, before deciding, "No, I can't take you home yet. Maybe Grandfather did send you with orders, and just made you unaware of them. I suppose I should leave you to whatever you were doing before. I can find out whether you're something to be used or to be killed that way."

For a little girl to suggest killing you so casually, and to your face... she's definitely off-balance. What kind of child-rearing did this grandfather of hers do? You're starting to understand the strange reactions people had when thinking you were an Einzbern. You can't help feeling a pang of pity at Liliesviel's warped outlook, and almost open your mouth to explain her misunderstanding.

At the last moment, you hold back. This is an enemy Master, you're certain of that now. Even if her Servant isn't here, she's an opponent you'll have to deal with at some point. Better to keep her in the dark, even if it does pain you to deceive her. Choking back your explanation, you instead continue to play the amnesiac. "Liliesviel," you say, "Let me tell you that I have no intention of being either used or killed by you or your family. Have me observed, continue to follow me around if you like, but whatever it is that you're looking for from me, you won't be getting it. Now good night!" With that, you open the door and step back out onto the street.
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As you begin walking away from the car, you hear two voices at the same time. The first is Liliesviel's, high, clear, and imperious. "Very well then! Stachel! Stengel! Take us home!" The second voice is a low whisper from Niemand, which seems to travel directly to your ear without passing through the surroundings. "Best of luck with the deception, Saber. I look forward to your performance." You whip your head around to look back at the car, but it's already speeding away. Letting out a low curse under your breath, you turn to finish your own walk home. It is uneventful.

Your arrival at the Shijou manor is hardly as you'd expected, however. Rather than being dark, as the previous night, lights shine in the manor despite the late hour. When you enter, you find Jean-Pierre Vaisset waiting for your arrival in the living room, sitting with a cup of tea.

"Saber," he calls out amiably, "sit down, I have wonderful news!"

You take an opposite seat, facing Vaisset over the coffee table. "What might that be?"

"Well, what do you think," he asks rhetorically, "Rider has been summoned, of course! Now we can begin to put this inconvenience behind us."

Vaisset seems to regard this as a significant development, but you have difficulty mustering up the same excitement after today's events. Rider had to be summoned sometime, after all. Instead, what intrigues you is his wording. "That seems an unusual way to refer to the Holy Grail War," you remark. "Inconvenience? Don't you find the chance to have a wish granted appealing?"

"No, no, no." Vaisset shakes his head. "I told you before, didn't I? What I care about is research. My grandfather may have jumped at the opportunity to host the Einzberns' game, but I'd sooner take up boxing than be saddled with this. Even if I do win, and reach the Swirl of Origin with the power of the Holy Grail, what good could come of it? It wouldn't be my discovery, only knowledge handed to me by something greater." He sips his tea, then continues, "...but I digress. Rider has appeared, Saber! The War is truly begun now. This is your moment, having won one before." He sets his cup down and looks you in the eye, gravity finally coming into his tone. "What will your first move in this War be, my Servant?"

>[ ] "If the War has truly begun, we can't afford to lose any time. Vaisset, we should go out into the city and seek the enemy." (Pride)

>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)

>[ ] "You mentioned a priest facilitating the War. Has he made any kind of announcement regarding the commencement of the Holy Grail War? Perhaps taking action immediately upon the summoning of the final Servant is too hasty." (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
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>>3519535
>>[ ] "If the War has truly begun, we can't afford to lose any time. Vaisset, we should go out into the city and seek the enemy." (Pride)
Hmm, we should be careful around that old guy.
Congratulations Vaisset, you have managed to make me respect you a tiny amount more.
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)
I want information to form a proper alliance
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)

Well we know that Niemand is probably a Nibelung, or at least related to their story.
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>>3519574
>inb4 he’s Siegfried
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>>3519591
pfft.
He has yet to disgorge his own heart and throw it at the nearest homunculus so it can't be him.
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)
Information first, every single time. We don't even know where the enemies are, which is what allowed us to be effectively aggressive when we had Circe. Charging in blind gets you Colt .45'd.
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>>3519600
>t. advocate of charging blindly after colt .45 into a forest
But yes, information first
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
My ID might get changed again, but whatever. We're at page 9 anyway.
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>>3519604
Considering that the other option happened to be catapulting into danger full force, I'd say I was advocating the more cautious approach.
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>>3519535

>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)

Best to know before going out to fight
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>>3519612
Yosh, new thread!
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>>3519591
>inb4 he's Sigurd (Old)
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>>3519630

Considering he said we're too tall, oh he most certainly could be Anon
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)

Alberich according to Wikipedia:
>In Wagner's opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen, Alberich is the chief of the Nibelungen race of dwarfs and the main antagonist driving events. In Das Rheingold, the first opera in the cycle, he gains the power to forge the ring after renouncing love
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
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>>3519656
C'mon, anon, it's not like our body will change to fit the legend.
... right?
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Now that I think about it we should make mention of Lillie as a means to prove that we had found something of importance during our 'scouting' run across Tokyo. Means we'll be able to get Vaisset to place more faith within us for our judgement. Best we prove capable to him even with him being the way he is

>>3519535

>"I should make mention that I have come across a potential threat for us, Lilliesviel von Einzbern. She had confused my appearance for another like her." (Duty)
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>>3519663
I can live with being a manlet, but not with renouncing our love
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>>3519686
>I can live with being a manlet
When will they learn?
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>>3519686
>>3519691

Well remember, I did mention there is an alternative version to our name that won't result in us renouncing love or becoming a manlet

Oberon
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>>3518314
>Foreigners!
I'm considering it, anon.
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>>3519535
>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect information on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow." (Duty)
Should we tell him we've remembered our name?

Also I hope Saber becomes a manlet and loses any chance at a waifu because of that shitty name, that'd be hilarious.
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>>3519696
That would result in being pranked by Circe constantly.
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>>3519696
>Spoiler

Fuck no, but if that is the case we just don't turn around until we are fully out.

>>3519535
>>[ ] "I imagine the other Masters will be out prowling the city now that the War's begun. For tonight we should stay here; I'll guard you and your sister while your familiars collect informatin on the enemy, and we can discuss this further tomorrow."


Also about that Colt .45 to order.
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Wait I just realized, our master gives no shit about a wish? Could we by any chance get him to wish for something to help us?
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That'd actually be fucking awful if we begin to emulate Alberich from the stories. We're our own person and I'd much rather stay that way.
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Also, this fool doesn’t care about the root just because he didn’t figure it out himself. Talk about the heights of arrogance...
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>>3519793

>Also I hope Saber becomes a manlet and loses any chance at a waifu because of that shitty name, that'd be hilarious.

I think the salty osmosis is starting to kill you Anon
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>>3519821
Just a bit of friendly shitposting m8
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>>3519839

Well never me mind, but yeah becoming more like Alberich of the Wagner opera would be pretty fucking terrible as you said. This is OUR legend, not that goddamn ringman
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PSA: I will not be able to work on updates between now and around 5:00pm on May 22. I am having to temporarily cut myself off from writing lest the QM curse manifest in the form of being unable to pay my bills.
As something of a consolation, the slow pace I've had this last week should pick back up after this break.
Sorry about the delay, folks. It's been fun, and I hope you'll continue to discuss your plans, schemes, thoughts, and intentions regarding the Sixth Holy Grail War in the meantime.
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>>3519970
Okey doke. Best of luck with regard to you and your work sweets!
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>>3519970
No sweat. Good luck with your work.
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So guys, how do you want to go about making sure the murderloli doesn't learn about us until her affection is high enough?
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>>3519970
>"I hope you'll continue to discuss your plans, schemes, thoughts, and intentions regarding the Sixth Holy Grail War in the meantime."
>only one post afterwards

Damn, even a short hiatus can kill a thread, huh.
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>>3520844
The thread is so fucking big it fries my potato trying to load it.
Plan wise we don't know much until we do some info gathering.
Other than "probably kill Assassin first" most aspects of wars vary massively with the servants.
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>>3520844
>>3520852
Biggu thread and a lack of info is where we’re at.
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I wonder why all the Akeldama servants are still listed on the pastebin. Are they still relevant somehow?
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>>3521084
I mean, dead servants in F/SN don't disappear.
And if the irrelevant ones disappear that makes it a nightmare for readers in the archives.
Also potentially spoils if Circe or Adelheid died or not.
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>>3519702
I'm honestly not opposed to the concept of Foreigner servants. There were already extremely powerful alien entities in the Nasuverse way before FGO, so we might as well play around with them.
Do True Ancestors count as Foreigners, since they're based on Crimson Moon?
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>>3521133
>I'm honestly not opposed to the concept of Foreigner servants.
I just wanted to make a band name joke, anon.
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>>3521133
>spoiler
Not necessarily.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Hinako_Akuta
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>>3521133
>Do True Ancestors count as Foreigners, since they're based on Crimson Moon?
According to an interview with Nasu, "True Ancestors do not exist in any universe in which Servants can be summoned." That's why the spoiler character at >>3521350 is technically an incarnated elemental, a slightly different sort of being.
So I'm going to call that a moot point.
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>>3521486
And even if one could be summoned somehow, it wouldn't be in the Foreigner class because all True Ancestors are made by and derive their power from Gaia. The only things Crimson Moon ever did was let it base the mechanism on him and be the world's worst dad.
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>>3521486
Isn't there are True Ancestor in Strange Fake? Or is that a Dead Apostle?
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>>3521928
He's a Dead Apostle. Jester Karture?
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>24 Hours Remain...
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Hey folks, I'm back and working on an update. I'll post that with a new thread tonight.
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>>3524946
yey
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>>3524946
Waiting warmly
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Update and new thread: >>3525359



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