You are Yumigawa Rushorou, and you're taking a break from the Holy Grail War.You've changed a great deal since waking up in an abandoned parking garage in the middle of a burning city. A week ago, you were a 5'9" tall student, 100% human, and had a fairly different face. You'd also never been in a fight. Since then, you've been dragged into a free-for-all death game known as the Holy Grail War, learned of the existence of magic, contracted a semi-divine witch to fight by your side, and been reforged into a "conceptual being," an inhuman imitation of ancient heroes. That was all on the first day.The Holy Grail War is a battle between seven magi, contracted to the spirits of seven heroes of the past, classified as Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, and Berserker. Each duo is known as a Master and Servant, and when only one pair remains the two are promised one wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail each. So far, Saber, Lancer, and Assassin have been eliminated; you've successfully managed to sustain a contract with Berserker and Caster at the same time; and only two of the seven Masters remain alive. It's the afternoon of the eighth day of the war, and you're having a chat with your Servants.Previous thread: >>3400552Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
"You're interested in my story?" You ask the question with some surprise. Though Caster and Adelheid may not be fully aware, Matsuda has known you before and after your change. You had expected him to understand the degree to which you've become a new man. At the repeated ascent of the other three, you briefly consider embellishing your past to make it more interesting, but put the idea aside as of little merit. It's the emptiness of your personal history that has contributed most significantly to your present character, after all; to omit it would be doing your compatriots a disservice."Very well then," you say. "I'm afraid it's not much to speak of, however. I was born into an affluent, traditional family living in Yoyogi, in the northern part of Shibuya. My father is a mid-level executive at the Mitsubishi Corporation; the trading company, not one of the industrial firms. I have no siblings. Throughout my academic career, I have ranked first in every school-wide exam, and have consistently been one of the ten highest-scoring students on national exams. Before my appearance here, I was a second-year student at Nishioka Private Academy, where I was serving as the student council president." You deliver this summary of your life in a flat monotone, lapsing into silence once the general facts have been conveyed. Your small audience waits for a continuation, but you remain silent.Finally Caster speaks up. "Is that it?" she asks incredulously. "That was just your circumstances! Don't you have anything to say about your personal life? About you?""I don't suppose I had a personal life," you say. Then, addressing Matsuda, "you mentioned that after your first fight, you found it fantastically enjoyable; that fighting took hold of your life, and you wanted nothing else. I never experienced that sort of spontaneous passion. You might say that I was simply going through the motions of life. I followed my father's advice to succeed in school simply because I had no personal inclination directing my actions.""Such an attitude is the natural fruit of a life devoid of true struggle," Adelheid declares. "It seems the war has changed you a great deal, Rushorou. You clearly aren't passionless today. Someone with no direction in life would have given up his Servant and waited out the war, or would have hidden away like my former Master.""You're right," you reply. "Since the alteration to my body that occurred when I summoned Caster, I've found that I view life quite differently. I don't know if it's due to some change in me, or if, as you say, it's the circumstances of the War that have induced this, but for the first time I've been taking pleasure and finding satisfaction in my actions. Since the beginning of the Holy Grail War, I've found a thrill in gaining power or progressing towards victory. I doubt I could return to the same mundane life I lead before."
"The alteration?" Adelheid questions, tilting her head in confusion. "What do you mean by that?"Of course, you realize. She's only met you in your current state. "When I summoned Caster," you explain, "the grail somehow remade my body. I look quite different from my former appearance, and I now surpass the physical and magical capabilities of a human. According to Caster, I'm now some sort of magical lifeform, fundamentally different from a human.""Fascinating," the girl murmurs, "I wonder why nothing similar happened to the other Masters.""Wait," Caster cuts in. "If you've never felt passion before the war, what is it that you want out of your victory? You're fighting for a wish, but it's only the fighting that satisfies you. What do you intend to wish for?">[ ] "Frankly," you say, "I don't know. Right now I'm dedicated to victory. Once I have the opportunity in my hand to make a wish on the Grail, then I'm sure it will come to mind. After all, Ajisartous did say that everyone summoned here had some powerful wish within them that resonated with the ritual." (Duty)>[ ] "I intend to wish for overwhelming power," you declare. "The Holy Grail War has revealed to me a new side of the world; that of magic. What Edelfelt calls the 'Moonlit World,' where everything is determined by one's magical power, and life is far more stimulating than in the mundane existence I came from. With the Grail, I'll wish for enough power to stand at the top of that world, and I'll keep fighting until I do." (Pride)>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Some other response (Write in)
>>3421222>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)Wishing for power and "I DUNNO LOL" seem like foolish things to say.
>>3421222>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)Been wondering this for a while now, but considering her life story I think I can guess.
>>3421222>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)Remember that we currently a desire to rule to Adelheid but we aren't sure what, at the moment.
>>3421222>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)
>>3421242Well, the wish for power is your actual wish right now. (Remember the wish mechanics?)On the other hand, being uncertain is the option I would have written if I hadn't broken it off here for a choice, given that it lines up with Rushorou's whole "this battle is the only thing that motivates me" arc. Why do you feel it's foolish to be honest with your Servants?
>>3421250Hmmm.Well saying "I DUNNO" seems to me like we're just randomly killing people and we haven't really thought whyWishing for power is uhWell it's kind of evil.That's exactly what an evil person would wish for.But then again I suppose we aren't exactly "good".
>>3421250Yeah, Power would be off the top of our head, but for what? I agree that telling the truth wouldn't be foolish because it lines up with what we told Adelheid. We might have to have another seat on the bench by the end of this war.>>3421263We're Chaotic Neutral at worst, imo.
>>3421267>Chaotic NeutralFirst off fuck this alignment for all the shitty players who use it to play LOLSORANDUM characters.Second off, killing for no reason other than "we enjoy it", "I don't know" or "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!" is by definition, pretty fucking evil.We had an out when Keiseki offered.We responded by tearing his throat out and kicking his head off.
>>3421274>we had an outThat bastard literally threatened us at gunpoint to hand over our servant and he would (IF he was telling the truth) do us the courtesy of not killing us (fat chance, we'd been lead there by getting backstabbed, Archer hated us, Kikuko didn't care, Keiseki was an ass and Rider is perhaps the most notorious pirate of all time). What we did to him is easily justified.
>>3421263>>3421274Where you folks want to take the character is open, so don't take this as me telling you off.That said, your sentiments seem completely at odds with what I've been hearing from the players for pretty much the entire quest. Is this the first choice you've been a part of?
>>3421222>[ ] "I intend to wish for overwhelming power," you declare. "The Holy Grail War has revealed to me a new side of the world; that of magic. What Edelfelt calls the 'Moonlit World,' where everything is determined by one's magical power, and life is far more stimulating than in the mundane existence I came from. With the Grail, I'll wish for enough power to stand at the top of that world, and I'll keep fighting until I do." (Pride)Don't puss out now homos
>>3421274>We had an out when Keiseki offered.Did we, though?>A physical representation of the tyrannical hold Blackbeard imposed on his crew, once a person has served on the Queen Anne's Revenge they cannot cease to do so, even in death.Note: This is something that we, as Yumigawa Rushurou knew when the "offer" was given. Would you also trust the Master of a Chaotic EVIL Servant to keep his word?Killing the other in a duel is also not Evil because we both knew the stakes the moment we stepped into the temple. Killing as a means to victory, which is all we could really do as a Master of a Caster, isn't "Evil". In fact the only remotely Evil things we did was kill a nonaggressive hostile and fuck with another's mind, which were both means to victory, which is why I believe that we're still Neutral.
>>3421298>>A physical representation of the tyrannical hold Blackbeard imposed on his crew, once a person has served on the Queen Anne's Revenge they cannot cease to do so, even in death.>Note: This is something that we, as Yumigawa Rushurou knew when the "offer" was given.I just realized that this part doesn't apply, but the sentiment is the same.
>>3421282No actually I'm just thinking that admitting we have no idea what we want or straight up just admitting we're after power is kind of... I don't know. It seems rash.Like, most people would expect somebody to have thought of what they wanted for killing all of these people.I was kind of averse to just going for the power wish but whateverLet's get back to that DIO Route>>3421222Switch >>3421242to >[ ] "I intend to wish for overwhelming power," you declare. "The Holy Grail War has revealed to me a new side of the world; that of magic. What Edelfelt calls the 'Moonlit World,' where everything is determined by one's magical power, and life is far more stimulating than in the mundane existence I came from. With the Grail, I'll wish for enough power to stand at the top of that world, and I'll keep fighting until I do." (Pride)>>3421298Oh for fucks sake, not this shit again.Nowhere did Keiseki say we had to join his crew.I mean, fuck. If Keiseki knew we were superhuman ourselves he never would have offered to sit next to us.Also it wasn't a duel, we murdered him as we were about to shake his hand.Actually It might have been during a handshake.
>>3421312Again, don't feel like I'm pressuring you into changing your vote. I'm just curious about your reasoning, since I haven't seen anybody take issue with Rushorou acting evil in a while.
>>3421312>Also it wasn't a duelThe other one, anon.
>>3421298>kill a nonaggressive hostile and fuck with another's mindTo be fair, at the time we had reason to believe Kikuko was basically evil incarnate and we also wanted to preserve her life, so the mindfuck was more or less self-defense.Joe had already more or less announced an intent to fight us, and we were under the gun thanks to Berserker who was, in a very literal sense, a ticking time bomb. Not to mention that Cid was watching from just over the counter.
>>3421326What no.Kikuko we found out was nothing more than a bitchy highschooler.Then we decided to rewrite her.
>>3421333The dead end, dude. She laughed her ass off when we died and (only appeared to, as we've recently learned) used others as shields to guarantee her own survival. She also knowingly led us into a deathtrap (yeah, it was Archer's idea, but it's not like she said no).
>>3421347Ok, but after we had Caster show us her memories it turns out she wasn't the devil incarnate.Also justifying IC decisions with things that didn't actually happen? Shame on you.>>3421322I'm fine with becoming evil. Personally.
>>3421356Alright, now I'm confused. You've been kind of evil so far, and you're fine with being totally evil. You know you're talking to a violent thug, a homicidal maniac, and Circe. So where was the concern coming from about seeming evil?
>>3421368It wasn't so much a concern of being seen as evil.It was a concern of being seen as shallow, if anything.
>>3421356>Ok, but after we had Caster show us her memories it turns out she wasn't the devil incarnate.Except it really did look like it. Hell, I wrote a post about how she was characterized to us just last thread 3410312>Also justifying IC decisions with things that didn't actually happen? Shame on you.So I guess you just skip Tiger Dojos and vote for the same choice that got us killed? It's not like we'd know IC there's a dead end otherwise.
>>3421373>>3410312Forgot to link to the post properly.
>>3421373You can't use the dead ends to justify actions in character.OOC sure.but never in character.come on.
>>3421368They're incapable of roleplaying as a flawed and evil character when confronted with it
>>3421372Well, there's always that write in option. Feel free to put up a more nuanced wish. I'd love to see if you folks playing have any wish ideas other than bringing the gods back.
>>3421387Without any real background of note and his transformation it's hard to imagine what Rushurou's situation is gonna be after the war and what he might care about enough to wish for. Except for the power wish.
>>3421381...Are you trying to say that the information provided to players is somehow wrong to use in decision-making? I can't figure out what your point is. If it's fine to make decisions OOC, then Rushorou has no character and your argument is moot because there's no character to be in to begin with.Or you're arguing that we should still only use IC justification and should make the same choice at every dead end because it's in character.Now, that's getting away from the point of the argument. If you want to discard Kikuko's cackling, fine, let's eliminate that. Kikuko, as the master of Archer with a remaining command spell, no concern except her own self-preservation, and no real control over her servant out for our blood, posed an immediate threat to Rushorou's life and he took steps to eliminate that threat. Isn't that self-defense?
>>3421387Like I said before, we've only thought about power and ruling but not any further.we need a new bench
>>3421419>we need a new benchThere are more in the gardens. Feel free to go out and brood if you like.
Going back from the Swimsuit discussion last thread, didn't the Greeks/Mycenaeans invent the first two-piece?
>>3421222>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)Fuck it.Might as well ask, and I think our motivations will pale in comparison to most heroic spirits anyway. We're kind of half assed in our convictions right now. We need more self reflection, we need to take our servants to The Bench so we can discuss our motivations with them. age of gods wish never
>>3421401The eyes still bug me, but I'm at a loss to explain why/how. Sorry.
>>3421591I don't know why eitherI might try transplanting a fresh copy of the eyes and editing from there. Alternatively I can just find some fitting looking eyes from some other picture to slap on it.
>>3421222>[ ] "I intend to wish for overwhelming power," you declare. "The Holy Grail War has revealed to me a new side of the world; that of magic. What Edelfelt calls the 'Moonlit World,' where everything is determined by one's magical power, and life is far more stimulating than in the mundane existence I came from. With the Grail, I'll wish for enough power to stand at the top of that world, and I'll keep fighting until I do." (Pride)Personally, I’d like this to be with more of a “power because I was chosen by the fates to ascend to such heights” bent, but that’s a personal want rather than a reflection of Yumigawa’s character. Certainly, if one considers Rushorou’s abilities and circumstances I think you could develop something of a divine-right complex.>>3421385Tbh anon, I’m not sure what the the goddamn you’re on.>>3421381This leads me to mention something I rather like about the quest- everything is “in-character”, as each decision we are presented is predicated in a dominant or latent aspect of Yumigawa’s character. There’s never that feeling of metagaming in decision-making which plagues so many fanfic quests. Albeit, this isn’t strictly a fanfic quest but you know.
>>3421217>[ ] "That question goes both ways," you say with a smile. "Before I tell you my wish, Caster, why don't you tell me what desire brought you back from the afterlife to fight for the Grail?" (Curiosity/Self-Preservation)They are SABOTAGING AOG PLANBROTHERS UNITE
Is this an accurate depiction of our ideology?>A goal is a goal. As long as my allies are willing, I use whatever means necessary to achieve it.
>>3421636I might revise that to>My goal is THE goal. I use whatever means necessary to achieve it, within reason and with some measure of caution regarding my well-being.
>>3421617Well, other than the Age of Gods discussion.But that could possibly come up in game anyway so it's not totally awful.I think the problem being pointed out is using Kikuko's laughing at our death as In Character justification for mindfucking her. It's obviously not canon that Rushorou picks different options because he saw a Taiga Dojo.Just like how it's not canon for Shirou to do the same.It's just how the system works.Rushorou doesn't know and never will know that in one of his ends, Kikuko laughed at him....Barring Zelretch/Kaleidostick/AngryManjew fun times.
>>3421649I remember my justification for mindfucking her being “lol she’s a vapid cunt and our enemy, why not”. >Zelretch funsiesMiss me with that
>>3421656You don't want to get the composite memories of every possible choice, death or route Yumigawa could have taken?The Second True Magic is some scary shit.
>>3421656>I remember my justification for mindfucking her being “lol she’s a vapid cunt and our enemy, why not”. I had the same thought.
>>3421669Also same.God it feels good not being a moralfag.It's such a shame there's no Shirou tier SAVE EVERYONE AAA type character to yell at us for being evil.
>>3421665Rushorou has those memories while he's in the dojo. I put that detail in one of them, didn't I? That's why he tends to just stand there and quietly listen. Shock.
>>3421677I’m sure plenty of those guys died in the cities.
>>3421665>every possibleWait, I just reread this. Never mind; he only remembers the deaths you folks have him experience while he's in the dojo.
>>3421677I'm saving them for after the War.
>>3421677I still feel like we're Chaotic Neutral since we haven't done anything to our allies, yet.
>>3421678Yeah, you did.Experience multiple deaths isn't funAlso the first death is just embarrassing. >>3421685Also yeah.This comes with even more trauma and your personality would get messed up from different paths.Imagine the result of smashing Shirou into a composite entity following the ends of each route.HA doesn't count, obviously.
>>3421696Anon you don't have to be evil to your allies to be evil. The alignment is Evil. Not "Stupid".
>>3421688>Shirou tier SAVE EVERYONE AAAA>after the war>where Shirou himself would almost certainly oppose usOh no.
>>3421713>not even accounting for the Tsukihime protagonists>let alone everybody else who would stand in our way
>>3421696>>3421702Also we're clearly lawful.Our ambition to rule makes that pretty clear. Gilgamesh being chaotic good doesn't count. The only reason I can think for the chaotic alignment that kind of justifies it is his rebellion against the gods being effectively one of the greatest acts of revolt ever.
>>3421722>*Raffs in parallel worlds*I fucking hate Nasu for splitting the universes but unless QM specifies we don't know if they are even relevant.
>>3421726So we're as good as dead. Got it.
OP is a filthy liar
>>3421732You're a filthy guy in general, Mr. 1post.
>>3421730I don't know about that. If it's UBW Good, Saber will be an issue but kill Rin and Saber is gone.Shirou will either be in his prime in 2019, or a corpse. Shirou is probably one of the most dangerous people to go up against because he has both the means and inclination to stop us.The Tsukihime Cast are variable but it's unlikely Arc will give a fuck.If she does we die very fast.Shiki is a danger but laser spam at a distance ends him.Ciel can be dealt with with some permanent stasis spell, followed by a concrete bath if she's still immortal.The rest aren't really that relevant.
>>3421723Also, he wasn't a great king early on. He was more interested in going on gaymagical adventures with Enkidu and fucking his subjects than doing any real ruling. Caster-Gil is Lawful Good because he actually does his job.
>>3421758Also, as for enemies:>ShirouSpot on. Shirou will end up being our archnemesis.>ArcUnlikely to do anything, because Gaia loves us for preventing her death.>ShikiYeah, laserspam and kiting.>CielI doubt she can do a single fucking thing to Circe.>Lorelei BarthomeloiOur other biggest danger. Said to have Magecraft approaching True Magic, but maybe the Authority Circe had as a Goddess of Magic will make enemy Magecraft useless, if we can get the Olympians to give her the Divinity they took from her.>Zelretch and AokoOur other other biggest threats. Zelretch is instant death if we face him: the only thing we can do is to throw other people at him, like Crimson Moon. Aoko is also a big problem, and I'm not sure how to deal with her. Maybe something involving Touko?
>>3421732Please, explain.>>3421722>>3421726I will confirm that nobody from Tsukihime is in this universe.
>>3421784Well, that makes things easy.So this is just the regular old Fateverse?
>>3421785Yeah. This is in the F/SN universe, 15 years after the 5th Grail War. As to which ending happened, I'll leave you folks in suspense.
>>3421782I'm personally hoping Zelretch just "nopes" out of the timeline instead of wasting time killing us.Aoko is noted to be unable to beat Caster(Medea) at magecraft but True Magic would probably tip the scales.Let's just, avoid the True Magicians.
>>3421787Well let's go through a few possibilities. -any dead end- Fuyuki probably ends up getting wiped off the map by AlayaFate: Shirou is a threatUBWtrue: Shirou is a threat UBWgood: aaaaaaaaHFnormal: no real threats hereHFtrue:possibly Shirou and RiderMind of Steel:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHollow Ataraxia:wut
Upon reflection, you decide you're not quite ready to discuss your wish. Instead, you resolve to turn the question around. "That goes both ways, Caster," you say with a smile. "I think we'd all be more interested in hearing about the desire that brought a former goddess back from the afterlife than in the wish of an ordinary student such as myself. How about it?""My wish, hmm?" Caster considers the prospect for a few moments, laying a fingertip to her chin. "Sure," she says brightly. "There's no reason to keep it hidden, although it may be a bit boring. I want to return to life, of course! I want to find the love that eluded me when I was alive, both as a goddess and afterwards. For the grail, though, incarnation is enough." "Now why's that," Matsuda interjects. "It's supposed ta grant any wish, right? Why not just wish for what ya really want?""There are two reasons," Caster explains. "First, I don't know what the capabilities of this 'Holy Grail' really are. All I would need to incarnate would be a sufficiently potent energy source. A more vague and poetic concept like love would be far more difficult for a magical construct to create.""I see," you say. "That seems like enough of a reason on its own. What's the other?""I don't need to wish for love," Caster declares, "because I'm certain I can find it myself." She gives you a meaningful look, which you diligently ignore.Fortunately for you, Adelheid speaks up before Caster can make the situation more awkward. "How amusing," she remarks. "Our overall goals may differ significantly, but I too intend to wish for this body to fully incarnate. I suppose most heroic spirits must share the wish, in fact. After all, no man worthy of legend would be willing to put aside the prospect of seizing his dreams with his own hands.""No man?" Caster cocks an eyebrow at Berserker's phrasing. "That's an odd word to use for the two of us," she remarks."Man in the general sense," Adelheid says with a dismissive hand-wave, her tone exasperated. "Person, if you prefer."Caster won't be deterred, however. "You know, Miss Berserker," she says, "you have such oddly masculine mannerisms at times, and your appearance is so unlike any famous hero I've heard of. You really are a singular individual. Why, considering your true nature, one might even imagine that you're actually some better-known male heroic spirit, hiding your nature through transformation!""That's absurd!" Adelheid flares up. "How dare you try to pry into my True Name on such a ridiculous pretense? I am myself, what you see before you, and no more! I'll thank you to desist from making suspicious insinuations on the basis of a few careless words."
Caster seems to have struck a nerve, and things could worsen rapidly. You'd rather not see your Servants fighting one another, but what's the best way to defuse a situation like this? The thought strikes you that you've been talking for some time. Checking your watch (pilfered from a university dresser), it's gotten to be a quarter to seven. Perhaps now would be a good time to raise the subject of dinner before the argument between the two Servants can worsen. Then again, it might be wiser to finish bringing Adelheid to meet the members of your group one at a time; it would almost certainly be a more interesting thing to do than have dinner. Another possibility would be to simply intercede and declare that neither Servant should discuss their True Names outside of private conversations with you alone, protecting Adelheid from Caster's aggressive inquiry into a subject she's clearly uncomfortable with. After considering all the options, you decide to...>[ ] Suggest to Caster that it's getting late, and perhaps you four could head back upstairs for dinner. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Shift the subject to Adelheid's ongoing tour, and suggest that your move on and find one of the other two. (Ogawara or Kikuko?) (Curiosity)>[ ] Intercede to shut down the topic of True Name discussion between the two Servants. (Pride/Compassion)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3422130>[ ] Intercede to shut down the topic of True Name discussion between the two Servants. (Pride/Compassion)By>[ ] Suggesting to Caster that it's getting late, and perhaps you four could head back upstairs for dinner. (Self-Preservation)
>>3422130>[ ] Suggest to Caster that it's getting late, and perhaps you four could head back upstairs for dinner. (Self-Preservation)
>>3422130>[ ] Intercede to shut down the topic of True Name discussion between the two Servants. (Pride/Compassion)Just suggesting dinner might cause Circe to try bringing it up again. We didn't badger her for her True Name and she ended up telling us on her own, Adelheid will surely let us know on her own. Besides, it's obvious that she just wants to be the little girl.
>>3422130>[ ] Suggesting to Caster that it's getting late, and perhaps you four could head back upstairs for dinner. (Self-Preservation)So both our servants want the obvious wish. That's fine. I'd be fine with just their incarnation, personally. But hey, a wish for ourselves would be neat to figure out.
>>3422130>[ ] Intercede to shut down the topic of True Name discussion between the two Servants. (Pride/Compassion)
>>3422129>She gives you a meaningful look, which you diligently ignore.Hahaha.God damn it Yumigawa.Are we really going to have to take Caster alone to THE BENCH OF REFLECTION?tell us about the AoG Caster.
>>3422269It seems we must take her to the BENCH OF REFLECTION and make outreflect with her.
>>3422271That's not the point of the bench...
>>3422273No, it's the angle.
>>3422295Cease these thoughts.
>>3422299>Gentle>EMIYA on Emiyasuuuuuuure
>>3422306Jesus, you're as dense as Shirou.That's the poiiiint.
>>3422308>Jesus, you're as dense as Shirou.
>>3422308And for the record, that's not the point, it's the angle.
You folks are tied right now. What do you want to do?
>>3422538>[ ] Intercede to shut down the topic of True Name discussion between the two Servants. (Pride/Compassion)Haven't voted yet, so I'll break the tie.
>>3422538I want to tie the knot with Circe!After that, I want to suggest that you do like >>3422133 (You). Otherwise I'll go with Pride/Compassion
>>3422133Doing this would be neat.
>>3422538That's 3 for >>3422133, and 2 for the default Pride/Compassion, it seems.
>>3422547Except that >>3422541 voted for the ban, so now it's three for the hybrid choice and three for that.
>>3422556Well shit. I'll change to the hybrid, then, to get this over with.
Stolen eyes edition.It's creeping me out.
>>3423219Ok I edited it slightly
>>3423262so they were.
>>3423285Would she go "uguu~" if we tease her?
>>3423407She shouldn'tThose eyes are from IllyaANOTHER SUCCESSFUL OPERATION BY DOCTOR GILGAMESH
>>3423420Think he'll stop by the apartment complex anytime soon? Or does he have too many other clients?
>>3423420>spoilerWait, you're not my doctor!
>>3423285Experimental Wavier Hair edition
>>3423528It needs some more work in some places.
I wonder how dinner's gonna work out tonight.
Sorry for the long wait, folks. I had thought I'd be able to update much earlier, but things have totally gotten away from me IRL. Trying to write the update now.
>>3423528At this point I sort of feel like I'm just never going to be satisfied with this portrait. I know I was the one who advocated bigger eyes, but I still don't feel like those work.
>>3424284I, using my almighty and Mobile photoshop skills have perfectly reproduced Adelheid in all her glory.
>>3424325Beautiful, pure artistic greatness.
What can you do with this, edit anon?
Or, alternatively, try a recolor on this one.
So do we have an OP or an ED theme thought up yet?
>>3424381Chase, but the protagonists are replaced with enemy Masters and Servants and they disappear in the episode after Rushorou kills them.
>>3424381Not sure about the OP and ED, but I do have Jack DeLancey's theme here.https://youtu.be/fQrcls_qe1o
>>3424381Dunno about OP, but EDs are:>DefaultJamiroquai - Everyday>Any episode with Archer in itStarts as normal but suddenly cuts off with a record scratch and then plays Will Smith - Wild Wild West when Archer appears
>>3424476Oh god no.
>>3424476I mean, Everyday is a fine song, but I don't really feel like the vibe fits here.As for Will Smith...Well, the less said about that song the better.
>>3424484>Well, the less said about that song the better.That's why I chose it.Default is from Circe's perspective, so we can use something else. Reading from my favourites list here because I'm lazy
I'm thinking maybe Gimme the Prize by Queen for the OP. Seems on point for Rushorou. https://youtu.be/Tvvfq4pEUlEFor the ED, I'm trying to pick a Hanazawa song, since I always like it when anime have the heroine sing the ED.
>>3424517This is all wrong! Ops should be Japanese and EDs English!Also, enjoy
>>3424525This isn't JoJo. My thought process is "OPs should be energetic, EDs can be more relaxed."
>>3424526>This isn't JoJo.I disagree.Even there, the OPs are more energetic and the EDs are more relaxed. Unless Roundabout is more energetic than SPNO CHI NO SADAME
>>3424534No, they do hold to the energetic OP relaxed ED rule. My point was that we don't have to do an english ED.
Before Caster can formulate a response to Adelheid's outburst, you raise a mitigating hand. "Caster," you say, "there's no need to press the issue. I don't mind if Miss Adelheid would prefer to keep the matter of her True Name private for the time being. Now," you continue, tapping your watch, "it's getting to be evening. Why don't we take our leave of this gymnasium, head upstairs, and have some dinner?""Of course," Caster replies. "I'd hate to keep you waiting; but don't you find Berserker's manifestation strange?""Caster," you say, exasperated, "the absurdity of this War goes far beyond Berserker's appearance and mannerisms. I've had to accept the existence of magic, the summoning of mythical figures, even the idea that there's an omnipotent wish-granting artifact that can only be summoned via this insane battle royale! I don't know what the circumstances are behind Berserker's appearance, and I don't much care. In my own experience, she's demonstrated herself to be an excellent Servant and fighter. Now, let's go up and have some dinner; put this kind of arguing behind us."A shadow passes over the enchantress' face; an expression of rage, there and gone so fast you almost miss it. Then her usual smile returns. "Alright, Master," she says. "If that's the way you feel about it, I'll forget the subject." Then she turns to go, calling behind her, "dinner will just be a few minutes, so come up to the dining hall when you're ready."As the door swings shut behind Caster, Matsuda remarks, "I'll catch up in a bit." He gets to his feet, returning to his earlier place in front of the punching bag. "Want ta get in a bit more practice, first."And so, you and Adelheid follow Caster out into the hall alone. With nothing better to spend your time on, you decide you may as well go directly up to the dining hall. As you're walking, you hear Adelheid's voice from behind you, uncharacteristically soft and hesitant. "Thank you, Rushorou," she says, "I understand how frustrating it must be to have a Servant hiding her identity, but-"You stop and turn to face her, interrupting her excuse. "What I said in there was true, Berserker. Keep your True Name a secret until the end of the War, if you want. If you stay loyal, and can continue to fight as well as I've seen, the details of your nature as a heroic spirit are immaterial.""Then you're a generous leader," Adelheid says, and lapses into silence, staring up at you. Probing your intentions, the truth or falsehood of your claim. Then she suddenly sways on her feet, seeming to lose her balance; you step forward to support her, catching her by the shoulders. Concerned at the sudden loss of control, you ask, "are you alright?"Then Adelheid rises to her toes, taking your face in her hands. "I feel faint," she breathes, "dizzy. I need your energy, Rushorou."You lean down obligingly, and your perception contracts as your lips meet hers. For the second time today, you drown in electric blue.
Dinner tonight is Italian seafood. Crab fra diavolo forms the centerpiece, along with two side dishes. Carpaccio di polpo, chilled octopus salad; and cacciucco, a mixed fish stew, round out the meal. As usual, Caster's cooking is impeccable. Due to the delay in the hall, you and Adelheid ended up as the last two to arrive in the dining hall, and Matsuda, Ogawara, Kikuko, Truvietianne, and Caster are waiting when you arrive. "Master," Caster says brightly, "there you are! I was beginning to worry. Please, sit down and have some."The other reactions to your arrival are varied. Matsuda nods, already eating. Ogawara can't seem to figure out where to put his eyes, alternately staring at and away from Adelheid. Truvietianne gives her a stony glare, and pointedly ignores the two of you. Kikuko, however, fixes on her, and speaks up to introduce herself. "Hi! You're Berserker, right? I don't know if you've, like, seen me before, but I'm Munahara Kikuko. I was Archer's Master, but now I'm just, like, living here, you know?""It's a pleasure," Adelheid says, "to make your acquaintance, Munahara-san. I had previously caught sight of Archer when we gathered around Rider's provocations, but you were evidently hidden at the time."This shocking display of manners snaps Truvietianne out of her self-imposed silence, and she asks sarcastically, "So, Berserker, you have some manners after all?""Oh, yes," Adelheid returns Truvietianne's smirk, "I've decided to follow the advice you gave me this afternoon, and treat you former Masters with the respect you deserve." Dismissing Truvietianne's furious huff, she returns her focus to Kikuko. "So, Miss Munahara, how have you been spending your time since the loss of your Servant?""At first I was pretty bored," Kikuko says. "I mean, there's not much to do in a university with no students, right? But then I found out, they've got a full spa down in the basement! A pool, different temperature baths, a sauna, tons of different beauty products. It's totally amazing! Plus, the library has a pretty great fiction section. The place is, like, huge!""Swimming and bathing, hmm?" Adelheid responds, "I suppose that explains your damp hair.""Really?" Kikuko pats at her hair in surprise. "Oh, you're right! I totally thought I had it all dried out, too."Although Kikuko and Adelheid are getting to know one another, the rest of the table remains relatively silent, and it would be easy to strike up a conversation with any of them.>[ ] Talk with one of the others. (Pick between Caster, Matsuda, Truvietianne, or Ogawara, and write in what you'd like to discuss.)>[ ] Address the group as a whole regarding your strategy for the war, announcing that you plan to fortify the university and remain here to receive Rider and Archer's attacks. (Duty)>[ ] Announce some other strategy to the group. (Write in) (Duty)>[ ] Just finish your dinner and go to bed. It's been a long, long, day. (Self-Preservation)
>>3424540I'm not disagreeing with "OPs should be energetic, EDs can be more relaxed", just with the other bit. Ultimately, though, I don't have a problem with it
>>3424549>[ ] Address the group as a whole regarding your strategy for the war, announcing that you plan to fortify the university and remain here to receive Rider and Archer's attacks. (Duty)
>>3424555Wow, man. That thing looks hideous.
>>3424555What happened to his nose? And the chin? It's deformed!
>>3424564>>3424566Indeed! I drew him myself!
>>3424549I want to ask Circe about her recent animosity, in hopes of alleviating her insecurity, but I feel like that's a bedroom subject rather than a table subject.
>>3424594Yeah, we can ask her a few questions in the bedroom where Adelheid can't snoop. Like what this disguise is about and the animosity massage time
>>3424549Truvi is keen on ignoring us, talking to Ogawara might be awkward at best... let's talk to Ogawara about what he's planning to do after the War.>[X] Talk with one of the others. (Pick between Caster, Matsuda, Truvietianne, or Ogawara, and write in what you'd like to discuss.)
>>3424549>[ ] Announce to the group that, after picking up some more “basic” Magic while you intend to wait out the eventual death of Archer, you intend to hunt down Rider and end this War. Toss in a comment that this should be even quicker than you expect, What with the work Caster did on him already. (Duty)
>>3424683Support.>>3424375>>3424365I'll see what I can do for both.
Do any of you folks listen to much Japanese music? I'm still thinking on OP/ED picks, but I'm limited by the fact that I mostly stick to english language stuff.
>>3425027This one seems like an appropriate OP for the Quest overall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8NYYSIC7Z4
The vote is still tied, by the way. Anybody reading who hasn't voted yet?
>>3424683Switching from >>3424557 (You) to this
As you finish your food, you ponder on the future course of the War. Archer is gradually expiring due to the lack of a Master and, you hope, will not be cooperating with Rider again. After all, the pirate did away with all of Archer's potential replacements. That means you can presumably expect to encounter them separately. It also means that, whereas Rider is likely targeting you, Archer's main target will be the university and the other Master candidates here. If you want to protect both effectively, you'll have to either remain here as long as Archer is able to sustain himself or go after the gunman immediately. The latter option, however, is precluded by your lack of ability with magic, and the consequent difficulty of maintaining your two Servants. It's in your best interest to drag out this fight as long as it takes you to improve enough that you can enable both Adelheid and Caster to fight.If you're going to remain here defending the university, you decide, the others have a right to know. "Everyone," you declare, "I'd like to tell you of my plans to conclude this war. It's a subject which concerns all of you closely, since none of us can return home until the matter is resolved. I'm sure you're all anxious to be getting back to your lives, rather than spectating this contest. Furthermore, three of you are potential targets. Archer is out there, without a Master, and still dangerous. He'll be looking for a candidate with whom to make a contract, and due to Rider's actions the only potential Masters are your three: Matsuda-kun, Ogawara-kun, and Miss Edelfelt."Ogawara cuts in, asking, "wh-what happened to the others? Didn't F-father Ajisartous, ah, say there were, er, thirty s-survivors?""That's right," you say, nodding. "There were. Seven of us were Masters. You and Matsuda-kun were with me. The other 21 were being protected by Assassin, but after we defeated the Master of Rider, Blackbeared attacked them in search of a new Master. He killed the entire group along with the Servant, except for one person who became his new Master."Ogawara goes pale. "I-I see," he says."Now, as I was saying," you continue, "I don't intend to go out and attack Rider while Archer is prowling around looking for a Master, so I'll be staying here until he's run out of energy, continuing my study of magic with Caster. Hopefully that wait will be no more than five days, but of course we can resolve the issue more quickly if he chooses to attack. At any rate, you can all look forward to a trip home a week from today. By that time, Rider and Archer will both have been eliminated.""How heartening," Truvietianne says. "In that case, I may as well focus on my studies. Caster, thank you for dinner. Good night, everyone."As the magus makes her way out of the hall, Ogawara speaks up again. "S-so, Yumigawa-san," he says, "It seems like you, ah, have the true names of all the Servants worked o-out. Did you, er, still w-want me to keep up m-my research?"
"Yes," you reply. "I still know next to nothing about Ajisartous' Assassin, the one who attacked us in the forest. If you can find out anything about him, I'd be quite grateful.""A-alright," he says, "I'll, ah, focus on him." Like Truvietianne, Ogawara gets up to go, finished eating.Next to leave is Matsuda, who pats you on the back as he passes. "Keep up the good work, Kaichou! Hope ya get that wish, whatever it is."Kikuko retires as well, saying "It was, like, great meeting you," to Adelheid and taking her leave. Then it's just you and your Servants left in the hall. As you stand up and step away from the table, Adelheid stops you. "Rushorou," she says. "If you're going to bed, I have a suggestion to make. Since I have the highest close-combat abilities among the three of us, I feel that I should guard you while you sleep. A night attack would be Archer's best opportunity to surprise us, after all."This again... Despite their differences, Caster and Adelheid think similarly on the strangest points. "Up until now," you say, "Caster's actually been doing that; watching me during the night...">[ ] "...but that doesn't mean you can't do the same. As you say, Adelheid, you'd likely be a more effective bodyguard. Caster, you wouldn't mind Adelheid guarding me, would you?" (Self-Preservation/Duty)>[ ] "...and that's been good enough to keep me safe so far. Adelheid, we'll find you a room of your own." (Pride)>[ ] Say something else (write in)
>>3426118>I feel that I should guard you while you sleepIs this where we draw the line? I was rather keen on confronting Caster about her insecurity tonight.
>>3426118>[ ] "...and that's been good enough to keep me safe so far. Adelheid, we'll find you a room of your own." (Pride)
>>3426127Reminder: you can communicate telepathically with Caster.
Would her guarding us require compromising the field?
>>3426158It would not.
>DutyIt's that Charisma again, isn't it?>>3426188I'm sure Circe wouldn't mind sharing the job, but I'm not planning on having Adelheid outright replace her. Perhaps we could have it so if Circe detects something we can switch the valve to Adelheid?
>>3426204>It's that Charisma again, isn't it?When we talked about the motivations and their details, I explained that one aspect of Duty is "duty to win the war." Being guarded more effectively obviously contributes to winning the war.
>>3426118>>[ ] "...and that's been good enough to keep me safe so far. Adelheid, we'll find you a room of your own." (Pride)
>>3426218Well, while I understand that Adelheid's heard is in the right place, I'm not going to bump Circe off of guard duty for it. Circe could (possibly) make arrangements in the room if Adelheid insists on watching over me but that's about it; the Caster is the best defensive Class while Berserker is the direct converse.
>>3426269>[ ] "...and while your argument makes sense, I don't intend to deprive Caster of a position she's filled dutifully since her summoning. However, I wouldn't be opposed to the two of you sharing the watch, nor would I mind some similar arrangement that keeps you in close proximity at night."
>>3426289Meant to reply to >>3426118 but close enough I suppose.
>>3426289I'll go with this one.
>>3426269You know, when I wrote it I was thinking the "yes" option would lead to them both on guard duty. Obviously I couldn't have Adelheid say that, since she doesn't know Caster's been watching you, but it's interesting that you read it as there only being one possible guard.
>>3426343I figured that she'd be unaware of Caster's duties since she's new, so I improvised a compromise that I thought wouldn't upset either party.
>>3426343I figured that was probably what would happen, but I didn't want to take any chances.
At least have her stay as near to us as possible if you're going to spurn her.I fix
>>3426756Hair looks kind of greenHmm.Let me just fix that
>>3426765god damn it
>>3426729...The eye's weird.I'll remove the Nazi iconography laterish
We're tied again...
You okay, newfriend? You lost?
>>3426118>[ ] "...and that's been good enough to keep me safe so far. Adelheid, we'll find you a room of your own." (Pride)I don't want Yumigawa to form any inconvenient attachments.
>>3427379There are eight Servants. What are you, trying to reach the swirl of the root?
>>3427411Which we don't know is possible. Nor will anyone tell us except maybe Cid.To be a dick I guess.
>>3427379>I don't want Yumigawa to form any inconvenient attachments.You're about seven threads too late for that, pal.In terms of Berserker specifically, four of five.
>>3427379It would make sense to have Berserker as close as possible to us, without exasperating Circe's insecurity. Having her be in a room that's not right next door would be inconvenient.
>>3427411...Maybe we'll get the Sixth Magic and it'll somehow have the function of bringing the Age of Gods back?And Adelheid is too much of a liability anyway.>>3427448I've been trying to keep Berserker at arm's length the whole time>>3427449True, but having her right next to us will only lead to Yumi trusting her more.
>>3427449Having her in the room next to ours might work actually
>>3427379Also >>3427448 is right, you think Rushurou would be that willing to throw Berserker away after>risking his life to make her an ally>learning, on the spot, how to change the flow of mana for her>protecting her identity from scrutiny,while also being one to treat those under him well? He already has an--at least platonic--attachment to her.
>>3427475>And Adelheid is too much of a liability anyway.What exactly do you have against Adelheid? She's hardly a liability - in fact, she's arguably more useful than everyone we still have at the university combined. Once we learn how to manage the flow of magical energy, she'll be an invaluable asset.>I've been trying to keep Berserker at arm's length the whole timeI don't see why.>having her right next to us will only lead to Yumi trusting her more.Again, how is that a bad thing?
>>3427482Look, I just want Yumi to not fall on his spear for her. She has A-Rank Charisma, and that means she could make a foot-worshipping slave out of him if we aren't careful. We could reach the end of the war only for her to steal the wish from a brainwashed minion and I'm trying to avoid that.>inb4 footfag jogesit's a turn of phrase, please don't meme
>>3427513Yeah so?Circe could do the same very easily on account of mind control.Charisma of that level is powerful but only against people who don't have strong wills.There's a reason Gil didn't just tell everyone "kill urself fag" I mean, he told Sakura to and she didn't.
>>3427521Circe wants us to succeed and is invested in our success, and she's thus not a threat in any way also she's best girl.Matsuda and Ogawara are our friends and are also invested in our success because we're their best chance at survival (as far as they know).Truvietianne seems to have a crush on us, and she's not the type to mindfuck anyone (particularly someone with a former goddess of magic on call), so she's hardly likely to sabotage our chances for victory.Adelheid, however, is only invested in our success insofar as it helps to meet her own unknown goals, which could end up at odds with ours, and is uncontrollable due to her strength and Charisma. She can act on her own ideas which could harm Yumi's other friends and he might be inclined to agree with her.>There's a reason Gil didn't just tell everyone "kill urself fag"Gil didn't spend time brainwashing anyone because he didn't think it was worth his time, but Adelheid could be doing just that. She can't make Yumi an hero just by ordering it, but she could divide the party -- she's already beginning to alienate Truvi from us by constantly insulting her -- and manipulate everyone to meet her goals.I only really wanted her as Yumi's Servant because we could throw her at Archer and then kill whoever wins. I don't want Yumi to grow too attached to her because she'll probably have to die before she becomes too much of a problem.I'm not going to say much more, since this post is at risk of looking like a rant.
>>3427566Her goals are pretty clear.Incarnation. Maybe world conquest too.But that aligns with our own goal anyway.
>>3427475>True, but having her right next to us will only lead to Yumi trusting her more.That would be a valid concern is the other popular option didn't already take that into account; it would ultimately Circe's choice to let Adelheid be in the same room with us or not.
>>3427575If you think either she or Yumigawa will share you're delusional.
>>3427599I should admit that it's late here. If I make any mistakes it's probably because I'm sleepy
>>3427601What is the Axis?
>>3427612An alliance that was made because Hitler couldn't take on Russia, Britain, France and America by himself.
>>3427604I'm >>3427482, btw. The write-in adresses the concern you have by deferring the choice to Circe, who wouldn't let Adelheid in anyway.
>>3427601What makes you so certain about that? Adelheid has a lot of respect for relationships between superiors and subordinates, and Rushorou is the only person in the war she has a positive opinion of.If you think she'll toss the master-servant deal aside just because she gets a body, gaining incarnation doesn't actually alleviate a servant's need for a mana supply. Kirei's basement is the way it is for a reason.Also, kings and queens do get married, you know. Not saying we should go that route, but just putting that out there since you seem convinced that "sharing" will be an issue.
>>3427619Well, not really.It was mostly just a "hey guys I want my country to have more land, what about you? Also fuck commies lmao."
>>3427646Alright, that's good to know.Like I said, I'm sleepy and also busy with work. I'll switch from >>3427379 to >>3426289 If that's true and leave for the daygoodnightday to you anon
>>3427693Fuck off, Nero.
What a tumultuous vote! After all that dispute, I'll have to make sure the update is really excellent.
>>3427777That's good to hear. Remember: It's ultimately Circe's choice to let Adelheid into the same room as us.
>>3427777 (checked)She still has to accommodate her, regardless.
So according to my count we are still tied.
>>3429244With >>3426128>>3426264>>3426286>>3426353Supporting >[ ] "...and that's been good enough to keep me safe so far. Adelheid, we'll find you a room of your own." (Pride)And >>3426289>>3426303>>3426662>>3427671Supporting >[ ] "...and while your argument makes sense, I don't intend to deprive Caster of a position she's filled dutifully since her summoning. However, I wouldn't be opposed to the two of you sharing the watch, nor would I mind some similar arrangement that keeps you in close proximity at night."Or am I missing a vote?
This again... Despite their differences, Caster and Adelheid think similarly on the strangest points. The idea of having a more combat oriented Servant guarding you is tempting, but you're apprehensive of Caster's reaction. Besides, it isn't as though you've been attacked at night before. "Up until now," you say, "Caster's actually been doing that; watching me during the night. While your argument makes sense, I don't intend to deprive Caster of a position she's filled dutifully since her summoning. However, I wouldn't be opposed to the two of you sharing the watch, nor would I mind some similar arrangement that keeps you in close proximity at night.""I would," Caster declares. "Berserker, you've said yourself that you barely have enough energy to function right now. What you should be doing at night is resting in order to conserve your energy, not wasting it standing guard. Why don't you just go and sleep in the next room over? I'll alert you if there's an attack.""And?" Adelheid returns her eyes to you. "Do you concur with this assessment, Rushorou?""It seems like a sensible solution to me," you say. "Given that I've been guarded sufficiently up until now, your energy needs should take precedence.""I see." Adelheid stands up from the table. "If that's your decision as a Master," she says, "I must abide by it. Would you show me to my room?"After bidding Adelheid good night and returning to your own private rooms, you take a seat and address your other Servant. "Caster," you say, "I've waited until we're in private to bring this up because it is a matter of your private feelings, and I felt you deserved that much consideration. Now, though, I must have you tell me. Why have you been antagonizing Adelheid? You had no prior complaints about recruiting her, so why are you sowing discord now?""Master," the enchantress says, "do you remember what Cid Ajisartous told us about the conditions for victory?"You consider the matter for a moment, recalling the discussion, before answering, "When six Servants are defeated, the last surviving Master can claim the Holy Grail and have their wish granted. I intend to use Ajisartous' Assassin as the sixth, allowing both you and Adelheid to survive the war.""No, I'm afraid that wasn't it." Caster shakes her head. "The condition was 'when only one Servant of the seven contestants survives, his or her Master is the victor.' The rules of this War stipulate that either she or I will have to be defeated before you can take victory, and at this point that choice is in your hands. I think it's reasonable that I'd feel some antagonism; for you she may be another subordinate, but Berserker is still my enemy."
"I wonder if he really meant it that way," you muse. "Well, in any case you can rest assured that if I am forced to choose between you two, you'll be the Servant to get her wish. You've fought by my side from the beginning, Caster. I wouldn't abandon you on a whim." Unbidden, a yawn forces its way out of you, somewhat spoiling the drama of your proclamation. "Now," you say, "I think that's my cue to get some sleep. Good night, Caster.""Good night, Master," she replies, fading from view, "thank you."End of Day 8Your dreams tonight are tumultuous and confused; a whirlwind of conflict through the ages, absurdly mixed. In one moment you throw open the bronze gates of an ancient city to welcome in a hostile army of spear-toting warriorsThen the shells are flying, and you take cover in a crater to find that the scene has changed to one of mud and decay, uniformed men surging over no-man's-land strewn with barbed wire to be cut down by machinegun fireThe scenes begin to mix, as a naked savage holds a red flag aloft over bombed streetsTanks roll over 300 pikemen between high cliffsA long, narrow ship with thirty oars and painted eyes is shattered by a torpedoAn invincible hero lays waste with a sword, hacking to pieces men who pour bullets into him to no effectThen, at last, the scene fades away in sweeping, all-consuming flame, and when it passes a new vision greets your eyesA shining, towering city. The archetypal capital of empire, glorying in its triumph over the lands which surround it. Walls and towers rise uncounted, piercing the heavens with white stone, and the streets are filled with tumultuous throngs of the busy populace. The sun shines on the masterful city, gleaming on marble, steel, glass, and gold, and imperceptibly the sunlight gives way tothe sunlight, shining in through your windows to announce a new day. You drag yourself out of bed, stretch lazily, and head into the bathroom to bathe and prepare for the day. As you shower, you consider your priorities. Obviously you intend to continue your study of magic, but what should you focus on? Improving your control over the command spells' energy output is essential. In addition, you remain curious and uncertain about your origin and elemental alignment. What can an origin of Void actually accomplish, and what kind of magic lends itself to the element of Nothingness? Lastly,you find yourself dwelling on the many and varied weapons used by the soldiers in your dream. Caster has shown herself to be a highly skilled enchantress. Perhaps she could furnish you with some kind of armament.Decide on a priority for after breakfast >[ ] Focus on Transference, improving your control over the command spells. (Duty)>[ ] Ask Caster about your elements and origin in more detail, hoping to put them to use in your magic. (Curiosity)>[ ] Bring up the topic of a weapon or armor that could improve your own functionality in battle. (Pride) (Write any in ideas)
>>3429244>>3429255Oh man. Sorry, folks. I should've paid more attention to counting the votes, clearly.
>>3429270>[ ] Focus on Transference, improving your control over the command spells. (Duty)
>>3429270You can also>[ ] Focus on something else today (Write in)I ran into the char limit, as usual.
>>3429271No worries, I got confused with it as well which is why I tried to put them in a single post.
>>3429278And even then I wasn't sure if I got them all.
>>3429270>[X] Focus on Transference, improving your control over the command spells. (Duty)This is the top priority. We can focus on other things later.
>>3429261>[ ] Focus on Transference, improving your control over the command spells. (Duty)>[ ] Ask Caster about your elements and origin in more detail, hoping to put them to use in your magic. (Curiosity)Can we somehow use our Element and Origin in Transference?
>>3429335Every spell uses an Element and an Attribute to define its effects and nature. Transference is a general category of Attributes.
>>3429343Well, then, put me down for Duty
>>3429768Couldn't you have just pasted the body from the other one?Also it still has the SS eagles
>>3429782Eh, those aren't as well-known as the Hakenkreuz. Still, I took them offAnd I COULD have pasted the body, but that's trivial. Now you can compare the two arms and paste the other one on if you like it more.tell me if I missed anything else
>>3429797Forgot my image, sorry
>>3429800The button on the top of the hat is actually a Swastika.
>>3429800Tbh this is pretty great, would b a kino banner for next thread.
>>3429800The letters in the corner could stand to be brighter so that they're easier to read, but aside from that it looks really good.
>>3429803I don't see it myself, but I got rid of that anyway>>3429811>>3429819Done.
>>3429849Looks great. The amount of patience you must have to have spent all this time editing images over and over is pretty impressive.
>>3429903This is identity theftAgain.There are two editors.
>>3429920Now that I think about it, this sort of thing did happen before, didn't it. Well shit. I just thought your ID had changed. Goddammit.I desperately need more sleep than I've been getting.
>>3429929I'm not saying the other anon doesn't do good work thoAs far as I'm concerned the more the merrier.
>>3429929My ID changed, but the first one I did was >>3426800 and everything aafter that was also me.
Although the idea of learning more about the esoteric aspects of magic is interesting, it's hardly something you can call a pressing concern. As for asking Caster to provide you with new enchanted tools, it may appealing, but you don't know how useful it might end up being. In the end, you decide to focus on the immediate practicality of improving your control over the energy you supply to your Servants. With this thought in mind, you finish your shower, dress for the day, and head down to the dining hall in search of breakfast.To your surprise, you arrive to find everyone save Truvietianne and Adelheid already present. Caster is engaged in laying out breakfast, which consists of bacon, fried eggs, waffles piled with whipped cream and melon, and coffee. Matsuda is lingering on the periphery of the room, smoking a cigarette and sending the smoke out through one of the hall's large windows. Most improbably, Kikuko is in the middle of an animated discussion with Ogawara."I just don't understand how you can, like, keep wearing that uniform all the time," the girl exclaims. "It's totally lame! Don't you have, like, any fashion consciousness?" Kikuko herself has exchanged the sailor uniform she wore when you first met her for a succession of casual outfits, and today wears a white blouse, black ribbon, and ruffled lilac skirt."Er, I, ah," Ogawara struggles to formulate a response. "I d-don't really, ah, care about, uhm, clothes," he manages finally. "It's, ah, not l-like the u-university doesn't have, ah, a laundry. I just, er, wash m-my uniform at night and, ah, can wear it the next, er, day. I-is there, uhm, something, ah, wrong with that?""Like, totally!" comes the indignant reply. "It's not like you've got nothing to work with, you know. You could, like, look pretty good if you, like, cut your hair and got some real clothes. But you don't even, like, care! Look, you tie isn't even done up right! I mean, come on.""I'm sorry you, ah, feel th-that way, but, er, why?" Ogawara mounts a hesitant resistance to the oppressive advice. "I-it's not as if we, ah, have any kind of, er, society h-here, right? At the end of the, ah, War, we'll all b-be sent home, and we d-don't, ah, come from the same p-places. I'm not, ah, going to get anything by putting a lot of, er, effort into an outfit in the, ah, in the middle of a war."Kikuko throws up her hands in exasperation. "You'd, like, know you look good! Isn't that enough?"
It's an interesting argument. Taking pride in your looks is an important aspect of your own clothing choices, of course, but at the same time you'd be lying if you claimed there was no motivation of utility in pursuing an imposing or elegant appearance. This has been particularly true in the Holy Grail War, where you've often needed to negotiate with mortal enemies. Should Ogawara, who lacks such obligations, be held to the same standard? Then again, it is rather bland seeing him walk around all the time in that loose-fitting, disheveled khaki uniform. If you're going to be spending more time at the university from now on, encouraging those around you to inject some more variety into their outfits might provide some trivial entertainment.>[ ] Interpose yourself into the conversation on clothing. (Motivation dependent on your position on the topic.)>[ ] The discussion of Ogawara's clothing is a frivolity beneath your notice. Leave Kikuko and Ogawara to their conversation and sit down at the table, across from Caster. (Pride)>[ ] Walk over and talk to Matsuda instead. What's on his mind? (Curiosity)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3431019>[ ] Interpose yourself into the conversation on clothing.>”Ogawara-kun, caring about presentation is entirely necessary. Anyone who is worth something should carry themselves as if their body were a holy temple, which should be adorned as such.”As much as I hate to agree with the THOT, she brings up key points. If you look like trash, how can you not *be* trash?
>>3431083Support.A king must look like a king.As he is our ally and I suppose spymaster he should present himself as such.
>>3431097What does a spymaster look like though?Black suit?Expect no less from our allies as we expect of ourselves.
>>3431019>[ ] Interpose yourself into the conversation on clothing.> "Ogawara, why not give it a try? Even if you've no knowledge on the subject, the vast array of clothing the university has available at no charge makes this place perfect for experimentation. If you're worried about venturing into the unknown without a guide, don't be. Kikuko, you're the expert on this, and you see his potential - why not draw it out?"Operation Ogawara Waifu ENGAGED
>>3431019Switching >>3431097To >>3431107
>>3431107I'm going to call this a Compassion option.>>3431083This one is Pride/Compassion, since it leans more into the "follow my example" angle.
You know, I'm surprised nobody reacted much to Caster declaring that she still considers Adelheid her mortal enemy.
>>3431184I mean, a lot of us already knew that Adelheid can technically still be an enemy.We also know "lol there are 8 servants."
>>3431184It's unfortunate, but expected. Caster hasn't exactly tried to hide how she feels.
>>3431199So does Caster, which is why she was prompted to make the point to Rushorou: >Caster shakes her head. "The condition was 'when only one Servant of the seven contestants survives, his or her Master is the victor.'
>>3431228MEh. If what caster says is entirely true, Hitler-Chan goes when necessary. We don’t owe her shit. If it isn’t true? Goody!
>>3431228Caster can also probably figure out that FUCKIN NOBODY would set up a ritual to allow heroic spirits to get their wish.Least of all modern magi. She probably understands the real reason behind command spells.>>3431234It's not entirely true, only 6 must die and go to the grail for a wish.Even less if it's Gilgamesh that gets iced iircBut there's no Gil here.
>>3431019I support >[ ] Interpose yourself into the conversation on clothing.> "Ogawara, why not give it a try? Even if you've no knowledge on the subject, the vast array of clothing the university has available at no charge makes this place perfect for experimentation. If you're worried about venturing into the unknown without a guide, don't be. Kikuko, you're the expert on this, and you see his potential - why not draw it out?"
>>3431107>Operation Ogawara WaifuI don't really care about this, but I support bringing the boy out of his shell.I just hope Kikuko doesn't prank him.
>>3431241I can believe that Cid changed it just to be a little cockfingering bitch. Also as a failsafe in the event that more than 7 Masters arise, maybe if they figure out a way to split the coins like that.
Walking up to the pair, you approach from behind Ogawara, laying a familiar hand on his shoulder as you say, "Good morning, Ogawara-kun; Munahara. I hope you don't mind my cutting in, but I overheard your discussion, and couldn't help myself.""D-don't tell me you want to, ah, convince me to g-go looking, er, for new clothes as well," Ogawara replies reluctantly. Kikuko gives you a bright smile, answering almost at the same time, "Good morning, Yumigawa-kun! What do you think about Ogawara-kun's lame clothes?""Well, lame is a little harsh," you allow. "Still, why not give it a try, Ogawara-kun? Even if you've no knowledge on the subject of fashion, this university has a vast array of clothing free for the taking. It's the perfect place for experimentation. Besides," you continue, "What you were saying before about a new wardrobe not making an impact here applies in the positive sense as well. You can try out all sorts of different clothing without having to worry about judgment from people who'll remain a presence in your life." "L-l-look," Ogawara says, "it seems like you're, ah, coming f-from a good, er, a good place here. I, ah, get that. But fashion i-is just, ah, well, it's not my thing. I-I don't know anything about, you know, about clothes. Just, ah, forget it, alright?" Ogawara is clearly pretty uncomfortable with the situation, and for a moment you consider dropping the subject.You don't, though. Instead, a bizarre feeling of momentary altruism strikes you as you consider Ogawara's likely future as a socially incapable shut-in. Perhaps if Kikuko can help him look better, he'll be able to turn aside that future. And so, you push forward. "If you're worried about venturing into the unknown without a guide," you say, "don't be. After all, you have someone here who can help you." Then, turning to the girl, you continue, "Munahara, you're the expert on this, and you see his potential. You should help him draw it out.""Sure, Yumigawa-kun," she answers. "It'd be fun! I, like, used to give my girlfriends fashion tips all the time back home. Guess it's decided, Ogawara-kun! Let's go through some closets!" Without giving him the chance to protest further, Kikuko takes Ogawara by the shoulder and begins propelling him towards the door. It's not without some amusement that you watch the slender boy being overpowered by a girl a year his junior. Then Kikuko calls back, "Yumigawa-kun, are you coming?">[ ] Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.>[ ] Decline to go with them, and take a seat to get some breakfast. >[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3432310>[X] Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.Can we turn Ogawara into an Astolfo-tier Chad by the end of this quest?
>>3432310>>[ ] Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.
>>3432310>[ ] Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.Can't afford to miss this.
>>3432310>[ ] Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.
>>3432310>Follow Kikuko and Ogawara, watching over his fashion improvement and contributing your advice.>>3432333>Astolfo>chaddrown in your ideals and die
>>3432556>being so handsome that most every woman that crosses his path swoons>not chadno u
>>3432601He's a bishounen, sure, but isn't Astolfo too femme to be a chad?>>3432333Maybe if you had Caster do some transformation and brainwashing...
>>3432601I could make the women swoon with some knockout gas and I'm an ugly neckbeard.Being a chad is about more than making women swoon, if you do not understand this you are no chad
>>3432637>Maybe if you had Caster do some transformation and brainwashing..."No.">>3432653Anon, Astolfo's probably bedded more women than all of 4channel combined. He is, most definitely, in the 10%
>>3432709Damnit, forgot the parenthesis around (nel).
>>3432653Astolfo is:>objectively the handsomest knight>one of the broest of bros>probably one of the best at brojobs due to above>literally too dumb to dieand>Certified Grail War WinnerIf that doesn't make him a Chad, I don't know what does.
>>3432709>Astolfo's probably bedded more women than all of 4channel combinedSo has my dad, who probably had sex once in his life to make me>>3432745He doesn't have a beetle-like stride or perpetual contrapposto.
"Sure," you reply. "I may as well come along to see what you can do with Ogawara-kun.""Great," Kikuko chirps. "It seems like they've got all the clothes, like, divided up between the dorms, you know? So let's, like, look at your room's closet first, Ogawara-kun."And so, overriding Ogawara's protests, the three of you set off. Once you arrive at his room (as barren of personal decoration, you note, as your own; plainly Ogawara spends the majority of his time in the computer lab) Kikuko throws open the closet to begin going through clothing. As with your own room, you observe a wide variety of blazers, slacks, ties, and other elements of formal wear, alongside more casual slacks and button-down shirts. Such items as blue jeans or leather jackets, however, Cid has evidently not deigned to allow into his world. "So, Munahara," you say, "what are you thinking of for Ogawara-kun's new look?""I'm not sure yet," she says. "Definitely, like, something flashy. He's too girly to do, like, a macho look, and the whole 'man in charge' thing you're going for wouldn't work either..." Then she pulls a shirt out of the bunch, a black silk affair with a burgundy paisley pattern and a wide, open collar. "Here we go," she exclaims. "Black is perfect for you cause you're, like, so pale! And this has just enough color to really, like, pop."In a few minutes, Kikuko has the outfit together: black slacks, the opulent-looking silk shirt, a silver-buckled belt, and a crucifix to add the final touch of gaudiness. Then she transitions into the bathroom, where she uses some of the university's generously provided pomade to comb Ogawara's hair back from his forehead, parting it on the left side."So," Kikuko says, addressing you and Ogawara simultaneously. "What do you think?""I-it doesn't look like me," Ogawara declares despondently. "I don't, ah, know about this at all, you two. Still, if it gets you off my back, that's good enough, I guess.""You certainly don't look like a shut in anymore, Ogawara-kun," you say. "The first step to building confidence is projecting it. Even if you don't decide to dress this way in the future, the experience of it will remain useful.""Well, I think it looks totally great," says Kikuko in mock irritation. "Even if Mister Negative and Mister Non-Commital here can't decide. You should, like, definitely follow this kind of, like, theme for your clothing from now on, Ogawara-kun."
Entertaining as this has been, you can't hang around with Kikuko and Ogawara all day. It would probably be for the best to make your exit now and...>[ ] ...go to Caster's tower to continue your magic training. She's almost certainly done with breakfast by now, and if she isn't you can always call her by telepathy. (Pride)>[ ] ...return to the dining hall for your long-awaited breakfast. If Caster is still there, you can discuss magic as well. (Self-Preservation/Duty)>[ ] ...check in on Adelheid. You haven't seen so much as a glimpse of the girl this morning. Could something have happened to her during the night? (Compassion)>[ ] ...do somehting else. (Write in)
>>3432921>...return to the dining hall for your long-awaited breakfast. If Caster is still there, you can discuss magic as well. (Self-Preservation/Duty)
>>3432921>[ ] ...check in on Adelheid. You haven't seen so much as a glimpse of the girl this morning. Could something have happened to her during the night? (Compassion)
>>3432921>[ ] ...return to the dining hall for your long-awaited breakfast. If Caster is still there, you can discuss magic as well. (Self-Preservation/Duty)
>>3432921>[ ] ...go to Caster's tower to continue your magic training. She's almost certainly done with breakfast by now, and if she isn't you can always call her by telepathy. (Pride)
>>3432970>>3433219always ignore the little girl, fate lolis are trouble
>>3433862>always ignore the little girl, lolis are troubleAgreed
>>3433862>always ignore the little girlBut anon, Circe is a little girl.
>>3433914Entirely legal loli-esque teen former goddess
>>3433922Sounds like a bunch of mental gymnastics...
>>3433944Now that I think about it, did Odysseus diddle Circe? I can’t seem to recall...
>>3433965Yes, she even birthed some kids. Grantee, I don't think she was diminutive at the time.
>>3433965Yes, for about a year. Remember that dream we saw a while back where Odysseus gets killed by a stingray bone? That guy was their child.
>>3433973>>3433975Ah, thank you boys. My classics escape me at times.
>>3433875>>3433862>Ignoring the little girl
>>3433965>>3433973>>3433975It's worth noting that, while Odysseus sleeping with Circe is a significant plot point in the Odyssey, it wasn't until later writings that his sons (2 by Circe) were added to the tale.
>>3433995Could we ask Circe to do a quick scry on Adelheid?
>>3432919I realized one of the main problems with doing a quest as an anime fan while writing this update. I originally had a longer scene in mind, with the classic gag of Ogawara getting pushed into trying on various ridiculous outfits before getting fed up. When I tried to write it, though, I realized I had no idea how to make such a visually focused scene work in text, and ended up scrapping the idea.
Continuing my quest for a portrait of Adelheid that I like, I've discovered this. It's not the portrait I'm looking for, but it is hilarious.
>>3434100Holy shit my sides.
>>3434100>Archer's eyes are wrong colourGod damn it.>>3433922Illya is also a legal loli tho?
"In any case," you say, "good luck in your fashion endeavors, you two. I'm going to head back down and get some breakfast.""Oh!" Kikuko puts a hand over her mouth in surprise. "You hadn't, like, eaten yet! I'm totally sorry we kept you, Yumigawa-kun!""Don't worry about it," you reply, turning to go. "I wanted to see what you could do with Ogawara-kun after all."So you take your leave of the pair, returning to the dining hall. There you find Matsuda, this time at the table and stuffing his face with bacon, and Caster, waiting for you with a look of mild irritation. There's a plate, presumably yours, covered by a mtal dish."I see you're feeling whimsical this morning," she says, "or did you not notice I was setting out breakfast when you came down earlier?""Oh, sorry," you reply with slight embarrassment. "I did see you, I just wound up getting distracted. Munahara giving a makeover to Ogawara-kun wasn't something I wanted to miss.""Indeed," Caster says. "You're not the only one; I haven't seen the Edelfelt girl or Berserker this morning either. Anyway, here's your breakfast; I've kept it warm for you, although the waffle has most likely softened."You sit down to eat. As Caster had warned, the whipped cream has soaked into the waffle, and much of the crispiness of the exterior has been lost. The eggs and bacon are still perfect, though, and overall it remains a delicious breakfast. "You haven't heard from Edelfelt or Adelheid?" you ask as you eat. "That seems odd, I haven't seen them either. You don't think Archer could have penetrated the defenses during the night, do you?" You take a sip of coffee, noting with some pride that you prefer your own brew."No," Caster says, "I looked in on them by scrying while I was waiting for you to come down to breakfast. The Edelfelt girl is embroiled in her pitiful study of magic, trying to make her curse of illness effect spiritual bodies. As for Berserker, she's still asleep! Can you believe that?"You raise an eyebrow at the odd behavior. "It does seem strange," you say. "I didn't think Servants needed sleep, actually. From what you said last night, I supposed she might get some rest, but sleeping in late seems quite unusual for a spirit."Caster gives you a nod. "It is. Sleeping for a spiritual being like a Servant is a conscious choice. I would choose if and when to fall asleep, and for how long. The only purpose to it is to conserve magical energy, after all. I can't imagine why she'd choose to sleep for such a long time."
"Huh..." you mutter, lapsing into silence as you finish your breakfast. Then, with the meal polished off, you look back to Caster. "Thank you," you say. "As always, breakfast was delicious. Now...">[ ] "...I'm going to go and see if I can rouse Adelheid. If sleep is related to her energy supply, this could be indicative of some kind of major problem." (Duty)>[ ] "...why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic. As for Adelheid, if it's her choice to sleep this late, there's no reason to give it much thought." (Pride)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3434772>>[ ] "...why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic. As for Adelheid, if it's her choice to sleep this late, there's no reason to give it much thought." (Pride)Let's just let her sleep, Hitler was known for sleeping in.I think Hitler literally slept through D-day.Also if you want to go and wake up somebody who is purposely sleeping, reconsider.
>>3434772>[ ] "...I'm going to go and see if I can rouse Adelheid. If sleep is related to her energy supply, this could be indicative of some kind of major problem." (Duty)We have to fix this before Rider comes to us. Ask Caster to come with to help.
>>3434772>[ ] "...I'm going to go and see if I can rouse Adelheid. If sleep is related to her energy supply, this could be indicative of some kind of major problem." (Duty)It's likely she's just conserving energy since she hasn't had the chance to make out with Rushorou all night, but better safe than sorry.>>3434780As I recall, Hitler had a bunch of tanks in France under his direct command, and none could be mobilized during D-Day because he was asleep.
>>3434813I remember that situation too. IIRC the situation was like this.Order #1: There are to be no major troop movements without the express permission of the fuhrer.Order #2: No-one is to wake the fuhrer when he is sleeping, no matter what kind of emergency is at hand.Consequently, the Germans were completely unable to mobilize in response to the attack at Normandy until much later in the day, and had to fight with only their static defenses.
>>3434850>Order #2: No-one is to wake the fuhrer when he is sleeping, no matter what kind of emergency is at hand.Hmmmmmmm
>>3434876Look, that was an entirely separate piece of trivia. Adelheid isn't necessarily Hitler, anyway.
>>3434772>[ ] "...why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic. As for Adelheid, if it's her choice to sleep this late, there's no reason to give it much thought." (Pride)
>>3434772>[ ] "...why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic. As for Adelheid, if it's her choice to sleep this late, there's no reason to give it much thought." (Pride)>>3434850Lmao, how have I never learned of this. Hitler-chan, you’re so damn funny.
>>3434850The degree to which Hitler managed to personally screw over his armies in WWII will never cease to amaze me. While we're on the topic, here's another fun nugget for the thread: Hitler ragequit surface naval warfare.He was so mad about the indecisive result of the Battle of Barents Sea that he decided that the Kriegsmarine should just give up and focus on U-boats instead.
>>3434945On the other hand, the plan that resulted in the famously swift defeat of France was his personal brainchild. His military ideas all seem to have gone either incredibly well or incredibly poorly.
>>3433995>umad>>3434100I'll work on this Soon(tm)>>3434768>[ ] "...why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic. As for Adelheid, if it's her choice to sleep this late, there's no reason to give it much thought." (Pride)
>>3435159No anon I don't think QM wants the picture of Rin and Archer edited.
>>3435217u OK reatard?
>>3435222i have woodstupid
>>3435244my nam is (u don’t need to remember) Ogawara Yatsuhide, age 16, the past month to me is, only computer labs. the entrance into The Grail War brings really exciting and worrying days. till i met these two very special guys.......
>>3435284master....don't be dong
>>3435284What a beautiful CIRCE~chew~There must be no other person as pretty as this servant. This feels like a picnic.
>>3435305>>3435300when I was a kid, I saw Circe from my calssics school Odyssey book...the first time I saw her, with wings on her back...how do I say this...I had a boner...
>>3435349get a servant so complicated.....
So did we just meta into not waking Adelheid up because Hitler didn't like it?
>>3435727I would rather think of it as us using this for quality magical time with Circe.
>>3435762Yeah sure, let's go with that.
>>3435771Yeah, let's.>inb4 we walk in and see Circe cosplaying as us
>>3435159>I'll work on this Soon(tm)Rin's gotten chubbier over the summer. The moral of the story: exercise regularly and never trust Archer.
"If it was Adelheid's choice to sleep this late," you say, "I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. Why don't we head to your workshop? I'd like you to continue teaching me magic.""Alright, Master," Caster says, getting up from the table. As the two of you leave the dining hall and move towards the stairs that ascend into her tower, she continues, "I'll explain the next important aspect of magic theory as we walk. The next thing about magic that you'll need to understand moving forward is the principle of element and attribute.""Go on," you say, following at her side. "Element you've explained before, but what do you mean by attribute? Is that related to the origin of a magus?""No," she says, "the attribute is an aspect of the magic itself, not the magus. You see, the most basic magic is that which functions purely in the control of an element, without an attribute. This would be magic enabling a magus aligned to fire to control a fireball, and so-on. The effects one can derive from pure elemental control are very limited, however. The finesse and versatility of magic comes from the system of attributes. An attribute is a concept, applied directly to the energy, which directs the magic to manifest with a particular effect. In this way, the majority of magic is performed with the base of an element and the structure of an attribute. The mystery that transmits your mystic energy to Berserker and I, for example, uses the attribute of transference and the element of sky.""I see," you reply, "so which aspect of magic contributes more to the effect? The element, or the attribute?""That depends on the spell in question," Caster explains. "You could, for example, use a spell with the element of water and the attribute of reinforcement to cause water to flow faster. For that, the element and attribute are both obviously impacting the effect. On the other hand, when I channel energy into you to temporarily empower you, that's also magic with the element of water and the attribute of reinforcement. There, though, it's only the attribute that's apparent." Caster opens the door to her workshop, leading you in. This time, the room has assumed the appearance of one-person classroom, with a blackboard at one end and a table and chair for you to sit at. Gesturing to the surroundings, she says, "Isn't this lovely? I'm really fond of the effort you modern humans have put into effective teaching.""I suppose classrooms are a useful invention, yes," you allow. "You were saying?""Right," Caster resumes the topic. "As I've made clear, attributes are essential as the aspect of magic which defines. This isn't to say, however, that an attribute will produce the same effect in every instance. As you can see from my example of reinforcement, you can achieve a wide variety of different effects even within one attribute. When it comes down to it, every actualization of mystery is unique."
"Interesting. It sounds from that like there are a wide variety of other uses I could eventually get out of the transference training that I'm doing now," you say, tapping your chin in thought. Then an idea strikes. "Conversely, would it be possible to apply different attributes to enhance my control over the energy I'm supplying to you and Adelheid?"Caster shakes her head. "No, I'm afraid the only way to improve that is with practice. If that's your main focus, you'll want to sit there and concentrate on trying to consciously regulate the energy flow; there isn't much I can tell you to help you improve. It is important to progress your knowledge of theory at the same time, though, so I thought you might appreciate it if I started with a bit of lecture.""I did," you say. "Thank you, Caster. I'll be happy to explore the subject further with you once I've made more concrete progress in supplying both you and Adelheid with sufficient energy." Then you close your eyes, focusing in on the system of your Od, and the point at which the two streams of mystic energy leave your magic circuits. You try for greater clarity of perception, attempting to quantify the energy that leaves you, and...Roll 1d100 for today's progress practicing energy transference control.After you finish practice, you'll probably want to ask Caster some more questions. What are you most interested in?>[ ] More detail on the transference attribute. What other effects would you be able to learn to apply within that category? (Duty)>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)>[ ] The examples of fire and water are clear, but how do your elemental alignments affect the magic you're learning? What can you do with sky, void, and nothingness? (Pride)>[ ] Ask about something else. (Write in)
Rolled 55 (1d100)>>3435961>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)
Rolled 22 (1d100)>>3435961>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)
Rolled 92 (1d100)>>3435961>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)
>>3435961>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)>>3436073Ebin
>>3436073It's nice to see that Yumigawa is a quick study. Be it coffee or magecraft.
>>3435961>[ ] What about other attributes? The only ones Caster has mentioned so far are reinforcement and transference. Does she have a list she plans to teach you, or something along those lines? (Curiosity)>>3436073Once again luck sides with Yumigawa Rushorou.
Wait, boys. How, on a scale of “impressed by her big brother” to “saltier than wehraboo when discussing Gdańsk“ will Truvi react to Rushorou surpassing her magic in a matter of days?
>>3436487I estimate Salar de Uyuni with a dash of kicked puppy.
>>3436073Does this mean we breezed through Transference or that we did well today?
>>3437058>Does this mean we breezed through Transference or that we just did well for today?
...and suddenly the flow of energy snaps into clarity! Rather than a unified stream of energy, the output to each of your Servants is now visible as a collection of smaller energy streams, woven together like rope. Scrutinizing the system further, you can observe that each of these lesser energy streams is equal to the energy flowing through a single magic circuit, and that within the system of your Od, they divide your energy into 126 equal portions. Of those 126 parts, 55 flow out into Caster, while only 8 parts make up the stream of energy going to Adelheid. The remaining 63 parts continue to circulate within you, reserved for your future use.At first, you attempt to channel some of the energy in your reserve into the command spell, but you find no success with this method. For some reason, it seems to allow no more than 63 parts of your energy through. Next, you direct your efforts at the individual strands which make up Caster's energy stream. This approach gets you closer to success, but the flow of energy is too tightly bound together to permit the separation of single units. Finally, widening the scope of your efforts, you manage to split off about half of the energy, 27 units, and shift it to Adelheid's supply.You open your eyes and allow perception of mundane reality to filter back in. "My energy is nearly evenly divided between the two of you now," you declare. "With this, the concern over which of you is able to battle effectively is resolved."Caster gives you a strained smile. "Your progress is remarkable, Master," she says. "I never would have expected you to improve your control this much in just two days. I'm afraid I can't say the same for your assessment of the situation, though.""You mean that an even split doesn't supply either of you with enough energy?"Caster nods gravely. "I may have given you an erroneous impression of the degree to which I can gather outside energy," she says. "It's true that I can achieve effects far beyond what you could expect from your energy with my magic, but that ability requires sufficient energy from you to compel the obedience of Mana. With what I'm currently receiving, I'd be able to accomplish only inferior magic. Spatial transportation and the rain of light would both be impossible. I'm sure Berserker is in a similar position.""I see," you say. You find yourself irritably tapping a finger nail on the table. Just how carefully must you divide your energy before the two Servants will be satisfied? "In that case, let's say that the energy I'm providing to you and Berserker is divided into 63 parts. Right now, you receive 28 parts and she receives 35. How many of those portions would you need in order to function properly?""If it's 28 now..." Caster ruminates on the idea for a moment before answering, "I suppose I'd need at least 40."
"Alright," you say. "The best I can do in terms of control right now is to split off about half of the energy either of you is receiving and transfer it to the other. Let's see if this is enough for you."Returning to your internal world, you focus on the two braided streams of energy again, splitting Adelheid's supply with some effort to return 17 threads to Caster. Opening your eyes, you ask, "Will this do?""It's enough," Caster allows. "I'd be lying if I said I didn't prefer my situation as your only Servant, but I'll be able to maintain control of sufficient Mana with this supply.""Glad to hear it," you say, "I don't think I have it in me to do more practical exercises. Why is it so draining to exert control over my own energy, anyway?""It helps if you think of your magic circuits as being like a new muscle," replies Caster. "Right now you're exercising them for the first time, but it will gradually become much easier. Now, if you're done with practice, do you have any questions about the theory we've discussed so far?""I do, yes," you say. "What are some of the other attributes? Given that the two you've told me about, I have to imagine there's a near-endless quantity of them, so I wouldn't expect you to give me a full list. I'm sure you must have some set in mind of those that are particularly useful, though. What are they?""The most useful attributes?" Caster considers for a moment. "I do have a list in mind that I'd like to teach you, but I'm not sure if it's the most useful, per se. Just those that are well-adapted to your elements. After all, most effects depend on an element that has a strong impact on the physical world, like my reinforcement of the body through the water element. Since your alignment tends towards the immaterial, I'd like to first focus on teaching you magic with the attributes of Transference, Absorption, and Rejection.""Alright, transference I've seen enough of to understand," you say, "but what is it that absorption and rejection generally accomplish in terms of magic?"
"I wouldn't be so confident you understand the potential of transference magic," Caster replies with a smirk, "but we can put that aside for the moment. Absorption is the principle of taking something conceptually into yourself, making it subservient to your will. When used with the element of water, this can grant all sorts of power over the bodies of living creatures, but you'll be using the elements of Void and Sky instead. Sky-based absorption is primarily useful for things like the subversion of an enemy's magic, whereas Void can be used for direct attacks on the soul and other immaterial things. As for rejection, it's the attribute typically used in bounded fields, or barriers. Again, though, since you lack alignment towards the physical elements, we'll be focusing on conceptual rejection using the imaginary elements. By working with those, we should be able to construct barriers and curses that deny the material, or apply the definition of impossibility. Since that will require further practice, though, I'll leave any more details for tomorrow." Caster waves a hand at the window, drawing your attention to the early afternoon sun. "Besides, it's been several hours since we started, and I'm sure you have some other plans for the day, Master.""Oh, yes," you affirm without thinking. "I was planning to do some combat practice with Matsuda-kun after this...">[ ] "...but before I go, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. You made me those enchanted gloves, but is there any other sort of magic armament you can create? You told me after you first examined my new body that with enough training I could become the equal of the heroes of old. What better way to emulate them than by the use of an enchanted weapon given to me by a goddess?" (Pride)>[ ] "...but first I'd like to take a look at what Rider and Archer are up to. Would you bring out your scrying dish and show them to me?" (Self-Preservation/Duty)>[ ] "...but I should probably go check on Adelheid first, and see how she's taking the new allotment of energy." (Compassion)>[ ] "...but I actually have some more questions about magic for you." (Write in your questions.)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3438171>[ ] "...but before I go, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. You made me those enchanted gloves, but is there any other sort of magic armament you can create? You told me after you first examined my new body that with enough training I could become the equal of the heroes of old. What better way to emulate them than by the use of an enchanted weapon given to me by a goddess?" (Pride)I've been waiting for this.We can be devastating to servants with void absorption magic also.
>>3438171>[ ] "...but before I go, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. You made me those enchanted gloves, but is there any other sort of magic armament you can create? You told me after you first examined my new body that with enough training I could become the equal of the heroes of old. What better way to emulate them than by the use of an enchanted weapon given to me by a goddess?" (Pride)
>>3438171>[ ] Say something else (Write in)>[ ] "...but I would like to spend more time with you. Not as student and teacher, or master and servant. More like man and woman on a date."
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more certain I am. The OP song for this quest is Gimme the Prize. It's just too on point for Rushorou. Now I just need to get a 90 second edit of it.Still thinking on the ED, though...
>>3438270Obviously it must relate to Circe.>>3438253The mood isn't there, fool! Wait for the mood to be set!
>>3438289The mood won't be there until we set it. This is a good first step.Also there has been a suprising small amount of romance in this fate
>>3438364Going on dates in empty cities where anyone actually around wants to kill us is unwise. We can leave Servant dating until after the imminent peril is done.We've also had picnics with Circe.
>>3438171>[ ] "...but before I go, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. You made me those enchanted gloves, but is there any other sort of magic armament you can create? You told me after you first examined my new body that with enough training I could become the equal of the heroes of old. What better way to emulate them than by the use of an enchanted weapon given to me by a goddess?" (Pride)>>3438253Soon Brother>>3438270Very niceu. Mebbe Lord of This World by Black Sabbath?
>>3438364>suprising small amount of romance in this fateYumigawa gets shit done, unlike that fag Shirou
ED for episode if we wish the Gods back.https://youtu.be/HSH--SJKVQQ
>>3438369The university has amenities, so we dont have to go into the city. Picnics are nice, but romance has to be created and maintained, it's not going to fall into our laps.>>3438396That fag also went from single to waifu in about a week.I'm not saying Ignore the war, im just wanting to start laying the groundwork for the romance that has been absent.
>>3438409Sure seems like it fell into Shirou's lap. I'm not sure if I remember him doing anything to actively pursue romance in any of the three routes. I mean, he went on a date with Illya, but I don't think that exactly counts.
>>3438420True, but the woman (rin especially) did pursue him, they made the effort. And as >>3438396said we are not him. Thinking back he was far to lucky in romance, but that's to be expected of VN's.
>>3438171>[ ] "...but I should probably go check on Adelheid first, and see how she's taking the new allotment of energy." (Compassion)Personally, I'd prefer to have a better idea of what Cid's abilities are before we ask for a weapon so we can get one to hard counter him.Speaking of Cid, I'd like to discuss what we know about his disappearing. When he appeared during our talk with Ambrose, it was like he never actually left when Berserker came into the room. Even so, he didn't get killed when Rider swung and tried to off him, so he probably still wasn't present in the space there. Given his entrance, his lack of detectable energy, and the fact that teleportation is ridiculously strong magecraft for ancient use only, I'm led to think his disappearance is really something in the same vein as powerful Presence Concealment. No idea what sort of weapon we could use to counter that, though - maybe something that strikes the immaterial. Thoughts?
>>3438561>but you'll be using the elements of Void and Sky instead. Sky-based absorption is primarily useful for things like the subversion of an enemy's magic, whereas Void can be used for direct attacks on the soul and other immaterial thingsI think we’ve already got a prebuilt in to fuck up the bitch nigga
>>3438566That's just the problem, though - we won't be able to use magic as well as our servants without royally fucking ourselves over. If we had a weapon that could somehow draw on or be drawn from our element without using our Od supply, that might be a good solution.
>>3438571Some sort of magic-dispelling blade might just be it
>>3438572Well, if he's not present in the space, then I don't think it's likely that his magic would be either. Magic dispelling is cool but probably not what we're looking for if we want to counter Cid.
>>3438572What happens if you use a magic dispelling object, on another magic dispelling object?
>>3438561Even if he could somehow conceal his presence, I somehow doubt that he would be fast enough to react to Rider's attack -- that level of physical prowess is usually seen in hardcore Executors like Bazett. The simpler explanation is that it's a magic hologram.
>>3438580The spookier Mystery dispels the less spooky one
>>3438171>[X] "...but first I'd like to take a look at what Rider and Archer are up to. Would you bring out your scrying dish and show them to me?" (Self-Preservation/Duty)We should check on them daily.
"I was planning to do some combat practice with Matsuda-kun after this," you say, "but before I go, there was one other thing I wanted to ask about. You made me those enchanted gloves, but is there any other sort of magic armament you can create? You told me after you first examined my new body that with enough training I could become the equal of the heroes of old. What better way to emulate them than by the use of an enchanted weapon given to me by a goddess?""An enchanted tool, huh?" Caster gives you a wide smile, thinking back to her living days, "You've got a good idea there, although I was never one of those goddesses to hand them out to every passing hero. Athena, now, you'd hardly even have to ask her. Fufufu~" After a giggle, Caster turns to the more practical aspects of the matter. "I can prepare a weapon or armor for you, but it will take some time. I'll need to produce the mundane weapon before I can enchant it, for one thing. Those gloves were quick because they were already here, but even this university doesn't have a wealth of swords, spears, and armor sitting around. Then there's the matter of working out what sort of enchantment would best help you survive in a fight against a Servant...""Well," you say, "I'm glad you're interested in the project. Take as much time as you need, naturally."Caster nods. "Why don't you go ahead and do your sparring with Matsuda for now and then come back by this afternoon, Master? We can talk in more depth after I've given the matter some thought.""Alright, Caster," you reply, turning to go. "I'll see you this afternoon, then."Leaving Caster's tower room, you make the long descent towards the gymnasium in solitude, passing through the trackless corridors and luscious salons devoid of society. After a week spent here, you still haven't quite grown used to the pervasive silence and massive emptiness of the university, where your small group can be so easily overwhelmed by the sheer volume and quantity of rooms. It would be easy, you consider, for two people to wander around the university for days; each searching for the other without success. Not for the first time, you find yourself wondering why Cid would have created such a massive edifice in his city. Could it represent some essential aspect of the magic underlying the Holy Grail War? No, you toss that idea aside; if it did, Caster would have noticed it as with the ritual in the outlying cities. Did the priest intend at some point to make his own residence at the university? Was he entertaining himself by adding some variety to the constructions filling an arbitrary battlefield? Whatever his mysterious motives may have been, you're sure he had some intended purpose for the construction of this university. After all, you're certain that this is based on no real piece of Japanese architecture. It had to have been intentionally placed by the priest, but his reasons remain inscrutable.
Then you've arrived at the gymnasium, and you clear your mind of the idle musings. Once you enter you'll have to be constantly on guard, after all. You open the door and walk in to greet Matsuda, who's today pummeling a punching bag with a rapid combination of jabs and hooks. "Afternoon, Matsuda-kun," you call as you approach. "I hope you're not too busy to give this novice some training."Matsuda responds in kind to your wry tone and false modesty. "What," he asks, "superman still thinks I've got anythin' ta teach? Alright, Kaichou, c'mere and let's see if I can lay a hand on ya."Roll 1d100 for improvement from combat training
Rolled 83 (1d100)>>3438738
Rolled 48 (1d100)>>3438738
Rolled 17 (1d100)>>3438743Whoops let's try again.
You know, I'm kind of surprised none of you folks used the ask another question option to ask about Caster's noble phantasm. In fact, noble phantasms in general are still a fairly major blind spot in Rushorou's knowledge. Is this one of those "too proud to admit I don't know" situations?
>>3438746I'm thinking more along the lines that I trust caster enough, that she will use it when necessary.
>>3438746It's more of a "my players keep forgetting" situation.>>3438738It's BO3, right?
>>3438746I would like to but Adelheid's too close.
>>3438753Or moderate success, at least.
>>3438759Whatever Circe makes should be along the lines of battle armor, with a focus on unarmed combat, to enhance our melee prowess.
>>3438765And it needs to incorporate our larnin' gloves to let us get better on the fly and learn to counter our enemy's fighting style immediately.
I have a question for other anons. I might have missed the reasoning on this but why are we still building on our martial abilities; especially since we have berserker for close combat. That with caster means we have a fairly strong long range, and close range options.
>>3438822Because it's what we're most familiar with, its too late in the game to master anything else without some insane luck.
As you close the distance, carefully maintaining the stanceless preparedness that Matsuda's taught you, he keeps smirking. "Why're ya so tense, Kaichou? You're faster than I am," he says, "stronger, tougher, you've got nothin' ta be afraid of." You don't let it break your focus. He's trying to drop your guard, and...There it is! Out comes Matsuda's trademark sucker punch, a right jab from a relaxed posture. You dodge left, inside of his guard to counter. Just as he said, he's too slow to hit you. Then you feel his fingers in your hair. Shit! Self-recrimination floods you as you realize your mistake."You're still too trustin', Kaichou," Matsuda laughs. He can't hold you for long, but he stops you long enough to throw a punch with his other hand. You get your arms up in time to block, but he uses the opening to sink a knee into your gut.Now you're getting mad. Sure, you gave lip service to the idea of him teaching you, but you didn't really expect Matsuda to humiliate you again like this! Well, you're not the only one with an opening. You slam into his face with a headbutt, knocking him off his game, before grabbing his right arm for a shoulder throw. While he's on the ground, you back off a few paces."Heh heh..." Matsuda gives you a shaky chuckle as he gets to his feet. "Gettin' better, Kaichou. Ya gotta see all around you all the time, and think about everything the other bastard can do. You still expect me ta just punch and kick, that's your trouble.""I guess I'll just have to change that line of thought," you say tonelessly, trying to suppress the irrational rage boiling up in you. "See if you can beat it into me, Matsuda."The two of you remain more or less even for the next two hours, trading blows and momentary victories until you're both too tired and bruised to keep going. You do feel you've made some improvement in spatial awareness and predicting attacks during the sparring, however, as well as having gotten a serious full-body workout.Status Updated"Goddamn, Kaichou," says Matsuda, sitting on a weight bench and smoking a cigarette. "I gotta hand it ta ya, I've never had a fight that tough since I started. I've fought a group a four guys at once, and handlin' them was easier than you. Keep pilin' on experience tha way you are, and there'll be nobody who can beat ya pretty soon.""Thanks, Matsuda," you reply, "but you're no slouch yourself. I'd never expect a normal human to be able to keep up with what this body's capable of. It says a lot about your fighting abilities."Matsuda blows out a puff of smoke before answering. "Nice a you ta say, Kaichou. Now, why don't ya run along and do whatever it is ya need to ta win this thing. I gotta take a nap, but I bet you've still got plenty a energy ta walk around, right?"
You let out a bashful chuckle. He's right, of course. Stamina is the aspect of your physical abilities that most clearly outshines the delinquent, and you don't feel any of the fatigue you can see in his face. "Alright, Matsuda-kun," you say, turning to go. "See you for dinner."As you exit the gymnasium, you think about what to do next as the afternoon drags on. Of course, you could head back up and discuss the matter of enchantment with Caster, but you haven't seen the others in some time. Perhaps there's some other way to spend your time this afternoon.>[ ] You wonder what kind of conclusion Kikuko and Ogawara came to about his new fashion. Head to the computer lab and see if Ogawara's made his way back. (Curiosity)>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty)>[ ] Go to Truvietianne's rooms and see if you can engage her in some discussion of magic. She may be able to offer valuable input from the perspective of a modern magus, and if now, well. At least it might be a decent way to reconcile. (Compassion) >[ ] There's not much point in waiting around. Head back to Caster's tower and see what progress she's made on the enchantment ideas since you left. (Pride)>[ ] Do something else (write in)
>>3438851>[ ] You wonder what kind of conclusion Kikuko and Ogawara came to about his new fashion. Head to the computer lab and see if Ogawara's made his way back. (Curiosity)
>>3438851>[X] You wonder what kind of conclusion Kikuko and Ogawara came to about his new fashion. Head to the computer lab and see if Ogawara's made his way back. (Curiosity)Didn't even notice this was an option. We should probably bro it up with him and Matsuda the next opportunity we got.Also nice, we're E++ Agility.
I realize updates have gotten pretty slow since the beginning of April, but I'm trying at this point to get things going at a better pace again.
>>3438876No worries, fast or slow I am enjoying the effort you have put into this quest.
>>3438865Where did you get E++ from? I'm seeing>Agility: E/DWhich would be E+
>>3438895i havent slept yer, gimme a breK
>>3438918If you say so
>>3438561No anon, we've been through this, this is an artificial world belonging to him.He's really teleporting around like Araya did in the apartment.>>3438571No anon, we've got half of our circuits spare still (63 of incredible quality, a lot.)>>3438851>[ ] You wonder what kind of conclusion Kikuko and Ogawara came to about his new fashion. Head to the computer lab and see if Ogawara's made his way back. (Curiosity)
>>3438851>[ ] You wonder what kind of conclusion Kikuko and Ogawara came to about his new fashion. Head to the computer lab and see if Ogawara's made his way back. (Curiosity)>>3438582Wouldn't a magic hologram be a source of magic energy, though? If so, why couldn't we sense abything when he showed up? And how did he facilitate the full contract between Jack and Rider remotely?>>3438939Yes, we have been over that. The one thing Sweets confirmed is that Cid is not using Araya's stasis field.We have 63 of our circuits to spare at this moment because we haven't yet learned how to supply both our servants with all the energy they need at once. Caster alone needs around 40 minimum to use her best magic. Berserker will probably need 50 or 60 to fight at full strength. Powering them both fully is a huge drain on us. We know this.
>>3438851>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty)
>>3439039>why couldn't we sense abything when he showed up?Are Yumigawa's magic senses that good?>And how did he facilitate the full contract between Jack and Rider remotely?He did recite some sort of prayer. As for holding their hands, it could be a solid Projection, I don't know what Sweets has planned out.Also, which one is more believable?>Cid can react to A-Rank speed and protect himself by literally teleporting>Cid was using a Projection and dispersed itOccam's Razor.
>>3439058>projecting a fucking remote solid body able to perform magecraft is more simple than teleporting in your own artificial world. Lol funny joek.The best magi got is puppet bodies, and they need lots of preperation and are hard as fuck to do regardless. Also he'd still need A rank speed to react to Rider and disperse the projection before being hit.
>>3439065>implying his remote body was casting itHe could just as easily have been doing it wherever he was. It's not like the supervisor had to bring the Lesser Grail and personally give each Master three Command Spells in past Grail Wars.
>>3439071Oh so now he's capable of parallel thought too?Lot of assumptions you're making with that razor.
>>3439076I'm sure you have a better explanation than "It's a custom World so he can do whatever the fuck he likes", retard
>>3439081I'm just saying he could be using the exact same teleportation shown by somebody in a very similar situation to what he has set up.
>>3439093>somebody in a very similar situation to what he has set upIf you mean Araya, I point you to >>3439039:>The one thing Sweets confirmed is that Cid is not using Araya's stasis field.Araya was a genius without any equal except Touko, and was to Bounded Fields what she was to Puppetry because of his absurd store of experience collected over 300 years.While it's not impossible for Cid to be that good, given that he made his own Grail War and a false world for it...Let's just wait for more clues: what we know now isn't pointing in any particular direction.
>>3439116One last thing to think about: this might not be Cid's power at all. Extra Assassin could well be behind whatever we think Cid is pulling.
>>3439133That's a thought.I note that when we first saw him (also our only fight to date with Extra Assassin) he didn't teleport out, he just ran into the forest.If he did teleport out after that, maybe Circe noticed.
Meandering for a while after leaving the gymnasium, you eventually decide to walk over to the computer lab in search of Ogawara. You're wondering how his unwilling search for a new wardrobe turned out, as well as whether he's been able to battle any progress in researching the identity of Cid's assassin. Of course, this second point depends on how much of the morning he was forced to spend with Kikuko.Walling into the computer lab, you're surprised to discover it properly lit for once. Ogawara, as usual, sits at a PC in the center of the room, an open bag of potato chips at his side. He's still wearing the flashy silk shirt Kikuko put him in earlier, but you see he's washed the pomade out of his hair and it's loosely hanging down to his shoulders. "Afternoon, Ogawara-kun," you say, pulling up a chair. "I see you managed to get away from Munahara."Ogawara gives you a resentful look. "Th-that wasn't a very, ah, friendly thing to do, Y-yumigawa-san," he replies irritably. "Backing her up like that. I-it took forever to, ah, get all that crap out of my hair, you know."You give Ogawara a placating smile and a late on the back. "So the hairstyle wasn't for you," you say. "That doesn't mean it was all bad, does it? Getting a better sense of fashion could really improve your prospects in life.""Oh, sure," Ogawara sarcastically responds. "I-I'm going to be, ah, swimming in friends j-just as soon as I learn to dress.""Well, let's put the matter aside for now," you say. Ogawara plainly doesn't see this situation as a favor. "What have you been able to find out about the Assassin that Ajisartous is using?"No, ah, true name yet," Ogawara says, "b-but I did get some general information on his origin. From his, ah, weapons and armor, it looks like he was a R-Roman soldier from the early empire. There are some, ah, some weird things about th-that, though. For one, he wasn't wearing the normal, er, armor of a m-marching soldier. It was more like dress armor, for a, ah, a parade or f-formal ceremony. And his, er, helmet would normally not h-have had a mask like that.""A Roman soldier," you echo, considering the idea. It makes sense, but without a specific identity there's little use in this information. "So there weren't any famous soldiers of the period who might take on the form of an assassin?""Not, ah, that I could find," says Ogawara. "Th-the most likely candidates would, ah, be the senators who m-murdered Caesar, but A-Assassin's armor was, ah, only used after the first emperor took power.""Well, at least you're closing in on the answer," you say. Getting up, you continue, "I'll get out of your hair now, so you can get back to your research. Thank you, Ogawara-kun. And do try to cheer up about the clothing thing. This could be good for you!"
"Sure," he says, and you walk out of the computer lab. Where to next?>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty)>[ ] Go to Truvietianne's room and see if you can engage her in some discussion of magic. She may be able to offer valuable input from the perspective of a modern magus, and if not, well, at least it might be a decent way to reconcile. (Compassion) >[ ] There's no point in waiting around any longer. Head back to Caster's tower and see what progress she's made on the enchantment ideas since you left. (Pride)>[ ] Do something else (write in)
>>3440869>R-Roman soldier from the early empire.>Assassin >Post AugustusFuck, it’s not Scipio Africanus or Sulla or Marius or anyone baller like that. Maybe it’s that fag Sejanus? Would explain him being a weak bitch....>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty)After this, we Scry.
>>3440869>>[ ] Go to Truvietianne's room and see if you can engage her in some discussion of magic. She may be able to offer valuable input from the perspective of a modern magus, and if not, well, at least it might be a decent way to reconcile. (Compassion)I can't wait to be ree'd at.
>>3440869>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty)We've delayed it long enough, methinks.
>>3440869>[ ] Go to Truvietianne's room and see if you can engage her in some discussion of magic. She may be able to offer valuable input from the perspective of a modern magus, and if not, well, at least it might be a decent way to reconcile. (Compassion)I want compassion points, but it just feels like so much of a waste when it's an attempt to make up with Truvi. She's just going to find some reason to be mad again.>Assassin's identity lies in one of my weakest areas of historical knowledgeGod dammit. Well, at least we have a lead. Assuming that Cid is somehow pulling his disappearing shit (if it's even him instead of either Assassin disguised as Cid or him speaking through Assassin) via Assassin's Noble Phantasm, are there any candidates that pop out at those of you more familiar with the period? Any stories you can see being twisted into having the effects we're witnessing?Time to unseal my ancient Tibetan google-fu techniques...
>>3440937We should be cautious in how we approach though. Remember, "A Berserker would be as likely to kill you as the enemy". Let's do our best not to jolt Adelheid awake.
>>3440966Male assassins of the early imperial period do slip the mind, but something that does help is that this assassin is weak enough as to where we can (with decent reason) assume him misclassed. >Spear user >E LuckDrawing a blank here.....
>>3440869>[ ] Go to Truvietianne's room and see if you can engage her in some discussion of magic. She may be able to offer valuable input from the perspective of a modern magus, and if not, well, at least it might be a decent way to reconcile. (Compassion)
Why are you guys so averse to checking on Adelheid, is it because of the Hitler thing?
>>3440966>one of my weakest areas of historical knowledgeHuh. I thought most people started with Rome before moving on to other parts of history. What is your best area of historical knowledge? What about the rest of you folks: familiar or unfamiliar with Rome?>I want compassion points, but it just feels like so much of a waste when it's an attempt to make up with Truvi.This is what the write-in option is for. By all means. write in a compassionate action that doesn't involve Truvietianne!
>>3441031spam>>3441007If he's misclassed, the spear could be a mundane weapon somehow given by the class container rather than a special weapon.His NP seems to either conceal others or teleport them to a specific point. Circe said he didn't have much Magical Energy, but what he did have was concentrated in his body, as if he was applying an effect.>Cid didn't vanish when we first met him>Assassin was with himIf he teleports people, then he might be teleporting them to his side rather than from anywhere. It could be how Cid got the drop on us.
>>3441044I want to give Circe a back massage but I just know that as soon as Yumi bends over Archer is gonna Kool-aid into the room and go straight to his wild wild west
>>3441056>spamThough you reminded me of something by being one. We should have some bro time with Matsuda and Ogawara, like I said here: >>3438865. Surely that's Compassionate enough without risking a Truvi Relationship Dead End?
>>3441069talking about my own spam on the subject, yuo fag
>>3441007It might not be a misclass if we're dealing with a coward (wouldn't be surprised considering how he reacted so adversely to Caster and didn't show himself at all when it came to the other masters).>>3441044My strongest area of knowledge is easily 20th century (military) history. Strange as it may seem, I'm not so familiar with ancient history as much as I am ancient cultures (mythology in particular is a specialty of mine).>By all means. write in a compassionate action that doesn't involve Truvietianne!I would have gone for checking in on Adelheid as a Compassion choice since we've seen pretty much everyone else today, but I'm hesitant to suggest it since the motivation switched to Duty instead. I can see why it could go either way given the circumstances, but I'm not really sure how to make it Compassion if you as QM say going to see her is Duty.>>3441061Honestly, that's not a bad idea. We've been going against her a lot lately and she hasn't been pleased about it; a back rub might make for a good apology.
>>3441031Because she’s our secondary servant and it’s weird she (male) is sequestered away.>>3441113>Might not be misclass if he’s a coward. Opens up the options significantly. Tiberius after ‘23 mayhaps?
>>3441135Although how we define coward matters. Are we going by Gibbon’s definition? Tacitus’s? Mine? Many very successful figures in Roman history tend to be represented as worse than what they were because the people writing the books didn’t like them.
>>3441152Definitely Tacitus's definition. He's the one who made the history, after all
>>3441152I tend to default to Gibbon, myself. Aside from his hilarious prejudice against Germans, I'd say he's the gold standard in non-contemporary Roman history.
>>3441165How many people know who Gibbon is?
>>3441174Anyone who’s anyone knows Gibbon mang
>>3441178Most people are nobodies
>>3441178>Anyone who’s anyone>on an anonymous image board
>>3441181So it is my brother>>3441186>t. not Anonymous
>>3441186aren't you one to talk mr ww2 vet
>>3440869Know what? Massage time. Changing >>3440966 to>[ ] Go to Caster's tower and offer to give her a massage as an apology for the friction you've had in the past couple of days.
>>3441220If we're doing this then I switch from >>3441028 to:>[ ] Go to Caster's tower and offer to give her a massage as an apology for the friction you've had in the past couple of days.It is indeed massage time.
>>3441220>37 points of Pride, 19 points of Compassion>Sorry I tried to keep you from throttling my other Servant, let me give you an apology massageAre you sure?
>>3440915I'll change this to support>[ ] Go to Caster's tower and offer to give her a massage as an apology for the friction you've had in the past couple of days.Has my ID changed?
>>3441231No I'm not sure at all.Disregard this I support the Truvi Compassion one.
>>3441230You forgot to mention interrupting her work.
>>3441230YES, COMPLETELY CERTAIN
>>3441241It's completely contrary to our previous behavior, Caster may end up believing it to be dishonest.
So I've been thinking about motivations, and I'm going to amend the check on Adelheid option to Duty/Compassion, since you'd be going to see how she's faring on her current portion of energy and what's kept her in bed so late.
>>3441230I was going more for the "skipping out on breakfast when she was clearly working so hard" and "making her live right next to someone she considers a mortal enemy" angle, but if that's what Rushorou would be apologizing for then I'm going to rescind that.>>3441256In that case,>[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty/Compassion)
Think about it logically: The PRIDEFUL and COMPASSIONATE Yumigawa Rushurou, INTERRUPTING one subordinate's work to APOLOGISE for ABATING THE SUFFERING of another subordinate. It's one thing to want some intimate time with Circe for any reason, it's another to do so for a nonsensical and character-breaking one.
>>3441263I wrote her being angry that you skipped breakfastThen I forgot she was angry about the breakfast thing.Wow.
Wait, I got it: Save the massage for TONIGHT as a reward for her being such a hard worker and as an apology for inconveniencing her throughout the day.
>>3441247it's not my fault sweets is putting us on the pride railroad now is it
>>3441287>Sweets is putting us on the pride railroadThere have been so many votes up to now anon, don’t even
>>3441287Well he just gave you a Duty/Compassion choice now so you don't have to pick Pride, even though it should have been our Duty to check on Adelheid anyway.
>>3441287>railroad>warning players they are acting OOC and it will go badly is railroading Asshole, look up the term.Players chose to make Yumigawa prideful.Acting OOC for no reason is stupid.
>>3441286I think you've got it. The mood is perfect at night>>3441298it's a michael jordan>>3441299THAT'S THE RAILROAD
>>3441234Switching again for checking on Adelheid.
>>3441287Now that's just not fair. We've worked Compassion and Duty up from zero, and you can't blame Sweets for the outbreak of Dioposting and subsequent Pride picks midway through the quest. Pride's gotten us killed multiple times in the past, as well (*cough* Adelheid *cough*)
>>3441318PointI guess I'll go back to checking on Trivi if that's what anons want
>>3441317To make it official >[ ] Adelheid has surely woken up by now, and you're curious how well she can function on her new portion of energy. Head up to her room and discuss the matter with her. (Duty/Compassion
>>3441305No, seriously, explain. I'm deeply baffled by this post. How is my amending checking on Adelheid from Duty to Duty/Compassion a railroad? What does "it's a michael jordan" mean? What are you talking about, anon?
>>3441328I genuinely think he's having a stroke in between posting the same rection images in every thread.
Folks, I've had a brainwave. I suddenly remembered that I had Adelheid wear a sundress when she met you for coffee.It follows, then, that I don't have to have her wearing a military uniform in her portrait. Sure, she wears one most of the time, but you have seen her in casual clothing.And so, I've finally found a portrait of Adelheid that satisfies my mental image. It's even coffee-themed!When she is in uniform, it matches the one depicted at >>3429849.
>>3441356>we've made out with that multiple times>our pelvis has been obliterated by that multiple times
>>3441365It's no worse than Kuro's mana transfers in Prillya.
>>3441375I haven't found the chance to post that image since TZC ended, let me have my moment
Also, regarding the "pride railroad" thing, I'd like to remind everyone that Pride was a custom write-in motivation. My original four options for you folks were Power, Sadism, Justice, and Self-Preservation.
>>3441328I had 5 hours of sleep yesterday and I just had an examI meant that it's a joke. I'm not accusing you of railroading, and it's a very bad pun
>>3441546I'm going to take a break to get some sleep and when I come back hopefully I'm more lucid
>>3441553Oh, and I'm not that anon, his exams were not mine
After considering your options for a moment, you decide you're not quite ready to head back to Caster's tower yet. First, you should check on Adelheid. If she hasn't woken up yet this late in the afternoon, there could be something seriously amiss. On the other hand, if she is awake you can discuss her capabilities with her current portion of mystic energy. And so you make the lengthy climb from the basement levels containing the gymnasium and various labs to the upper floors of the university once again, consuming another hour or so in the process. By the time you get to Adelheid's room, it's about 4:00pm. You knock on her door, but hear no response. Then you just stand for a moment, straining your ears to make out any sound from within the room. You hear only silence. At last, you slowly open the door to look for the bizarrely late sleeper. Within is only an empty room. The bed is neatly made and all the furniture is in the same place as last night. There's no sign that the room's been used.Worried now, you walk into the room, searching in vain for any sign of the girl's presence. With no success, you're driven to your last resort. Up until now you'd decided not to use telepathy with Adelheid until you'd gotten a chance to discuss the matter with Caster, since the ability is tied to your command spells and having two Servants might interfere. Clearly, though, this situation necessitates its use. You concentrate on Adelheid, bringing her slight figure into a clear mental image, and call to her in your mind, 'Adelheid! Where are you?'The concern that your Master-Servant telepathy functioned only with Caster is proven false as you hear the answering voice of Adelheid, sounding relaxed and groggy. 'Down in the kitchen, looking for some breakfast. You sound tense, Rushorou, is there an emergency?'You let out a breath you didn't realize you'd been holding in as relief takes the place of nervous tension. 'No,' you say, 'I'll be over there in a bit, and then I'll explain.''Oh, don't keep me in suspense,' you hear in your mind, but nothing more as you leave the spotless room and make your way from the dormitory wing to the kitchens. There you find Adelheid, going through the fridge in search of something to eat. Milk, bread, eggs, and salami are piled haphazardly on the counter, forming an inscrutable combination of ingredients. "Sorry if I startled you," you say. "I hadn't seen you all morning, and then when I went up to your room, it seemed as if it hadn't been slept in. For a moment, I was worried you'd slipped away in the night.""No," Adelheid says, "I slept late, that's all. I never had an easy time waking while I was alive, and it seems that's one human weakness I still possess. It was around a half hour ago that I crawled out of bed and came down here in search of something to eat. As for the room, I tidied it up; isn't that the ordinary thing to do?"
"I suppose it is," you answer. "You were very thorough." Looking over the motley assortment of food, you ask, "what are you planning to eat?""That's the trouble," says Adelheid, "I have no idea. I don't have a clue how to cook now. What frustrates me is that this is something that's only true for the Servant Berserker! Prior to manifesting, I'm sure I cooked from time to time. I know I had to get food in all sorts of circumstances, surely I knew how to prepare it...""What a strange thing to have happen," you say. "But that makes me wonder, do Servants actually need to eat? You're spirits who subsist on mystic energy, aren't you? I know Caster only eats very small portions of the meals she prepares, and Lancer once said during a meal that his only regret was that it didn't actually nourish him."Adelheid shakes her head. "We don't, no. I'm just down here because I enjoy breakfast, I don't really need it," she explains. "I suppose I may as well give up on the idea, though." Throwing her hands up in theatrical dismay, Adelheid walks past you out of the kitchen, taking a seat in the adjacent dining hall."I'd offer to help," you say, "but I'm no better in the kitchen myself. I've never prepared food before. While we're on the subject of your diet, though, I have a question for you.""You're wondering if this is enough energy to sustain me?" Adelheid beats you to the punch, predicting your question."Well, yes," you say. "I see it's at least enough of a shift for you to observe the difference. That's a good sign."Adelheid gives you a sardonic chuckle. "It's a change for the better, that's true. I'm afraid it still isn't enough, though. This supply can my existence in the course of normal life, but if you'd like me to do anything strenuous, I'll have to get more energy from you directly. If I had to fight, it wouldn't go well. My estimate of my energy requirement for combat would be about four times what you're currently supplying me with.""I see," you say. "In that case, I suppose I'll need to work on improving the total energy that can pass through the command spell. Thank you, Adelheid, this has been useful. Now...">[ ] "...I should be going. I need to discuss the next stage in our war preparations with Caster." (Duty)>[ ] "...there was something else I wanted to discuss with you." (Write in topic or question for Adelheid)>[ ] Something else (Write in)
>>3441586>[ ] "...I should be going. I need to discuss the next stage in our war preparations with Caster." (Duty)I changed my mind, I'm staying up and I'll keep the shitposting down, I promise
>>3441586>>[ ] "...I should be going. I need to discuss the next stage in our war preparations with Caster." (Duty)
>>3441586>[ ] "...I should be going. I need to discuss the next stage in our war preparations with Caster." (Duty)
Any opinions on Adelheid's portrait from the rest of you folks? I've finally called my mental image of the character, but how close is she to what you'd imagined from my descriptions? I'd especially like to hear from our two image editors.
>>3442172She looks alright.I think I might stay away from editing for a bit though, since I tend to shitpost too much...
>>3442172Honestly?Looks good.It's sort of what I had in mind anyway.
So what are the odds that Adelheid wouldn't be too keen on us leaving?
>>3442306She might want more mana, but I can't think of anything else.
>>3442172Platinum hair isn’t what I expected, but it works for dear Hitler-chan. Fuck if it ain’t sus Rushorou sucks face with that often tho.
We have some idea of what Adelheid's NP is.I believe it replicates various WW2-era explosives: her standard fare is grenades and mortars, but in the dead-end battle with Yumigawa she escalated to an SC2500. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SC2500_bombThe questions we need answered are:>How high can she go? Could she potentially create nuclear explosions?>Can she alter the properties of the explosions in any way? Since she's a Berserker I'm guessing "no", but we should find out anyway.>What limitations other than cost in magical energy exist? Do larger explosions take longer to charge and use, for example?
>>3442477>it replicates various WW2-era explosives>inb4 Schwerer Gustav is its name
>>3442477>How high can she go? Could she potentially create nuclear explosions?I think this is largely dependent on whether or not she's locked to German weapons. If so, she shouldn't have access to nuclear explosives since Germany never managed to complete an atomic bomb.>Can she alter the properties of the explosions in any way? Since she's a Berserker I'm guessing "no", but we should find out anyway.From what we've seen, I would guess that she can focus at least the small explosions in a certain direction, but beyond that it doesn't seem like she has much in the way of control over them.>What limitations other than cost in magical energy exist? Do larger explosions take longer to charge and use, for example?I wouldn't be surprised if they had a charge time based on the magical energy that needs to be gathered for a given blast.
>>3442477You know, Rushorou does have the opportunity to ask about this right now.
>>3442646Okay.>>3441586>[ ] "...there was something else I wanted to discuss with you."What's behind all of those explosions; is it your Noble Phantasm?
>>3442655Granted that this should not be the first question asked...
What are some other questions we could ask her, that don't pry into her identity? The only other question I can think of is "what's it like, being a Berserker", since it's rare to be able to converse, let alone, reason with them.
>>3442895IC we don’t really know that, and would be a weird thing to ask about. I suppose we could ask what it’s like to be able to do all that crazy servant shit when she was just a mortal in life. Our berserker can probably give some more reflection on that, as caster was a magical goddess in life.
>>3442906>IC we don’t really know thatWe can at least infer.>Seventh, Berserker, the mad warrior. Berserkers have the most raw power of all the classes, but they're difficult to control and can't think for themselves. They're perpetually under the effect of an enchantment known as Madness Enhancement, which keeps them from forming rational thought. A Berserker would be as likely to kill you as the enemy, if you couldn't chain him with magecraft."
Is anybody else curious? I'm the only one who voted on asking about her NP and stuff.
>>3443262I'm curious, sure, but I don't want to risk an open chat being monitored by Caster who can then use whatever information Adelheid says out loud to plot a backstabbing. If we do it, I'd prefer we have a telepathic conversation with her (either now or later).
>>3443262Meh, I really want to get to Scrying the other servants.
"Thank you, Adelheid," you say. "This has been useful. Now, I should be going; I need to discuss the next phase in our magical preparations with Caster.""You certainly do," the girl concurs. "Our highest priority in the war right now is improving your magical capabilities sufficiently for you to supply me properly. Though it galls me to admit it, it's only with Caster's help that you'll be able to achieve that. As for me, I think I'll return to the kitchen. Perhaps with sufficient perseverance I can assemble something to eat.""Good luck with that," you say, declining to comment on her convenient misunderstanding of your reason for visiting Caster. "Try not to run through too many of the ingredients, though.""I'll give it my utmost effort," Adelheid answers solemnly. "Good afternoon, Rushorou.""I suppose I'll see you at dinner," you reply. "Good afternoon." The two of you turn and exit at opposite ends of the hall, and you're soon climbing the spiral stairway to Caster's workshop. As you walk, you consider what sort of armaments Caster could have prepared. Something that enhances your strength and speed, perhaps? Armor that can't be pierced? Maybe a sword that launches a beam of energy when swung...Pondering these ideas, you arrive at Caster's door and knock. "Come in, Master," she calls, and you open the door to find the room much the same as when you left it. Caster is sitting at the table, with a pen in her hand and a sheet of paper in front of her with various diagrams and notes in Greek."So even a great witch like you still uses paper and pen for notes," you joke. "I'd imagined you projected your ideas in light, or something."Caster looks up and gives you a smile. "No, Master," she says, "for projects like this, the simple ways are most convenient. Your timing is good; I have an idea for you. Take a seat, why don't you?"You pull up the opposite chair and sit down. "So what is it," you ask eagerly. "What have you got for me?""At first I had a difficult time coming up with ideas," Caster explains. "The reason why a lot of the great artifacts given to ancient heroes were powerful was because they had a constant stream of energy from the gods, or tapped into Gaia's Mana. Without divine authority, I can't produce either of those effects. So I was thinking about that, and about the gods, when it hit me that you have a connection to them in your origin! I can't actually use that to access divinity either, but it did give me another idea. I can create an enchanted tool for you that uses your origin and elemental alignment to create a link between this world and the reverse side, the world of Imaginary Numbers!""You want to create a portal?" You're nonplussed. While this would surely be an incredible achievement in magic, it's not exactly an enchanted weapon.
"That would be the most obvious use," Caster says, "but it's not the only option we have. There are any number of things you can do with an item connected to Imaginary Numbers. I've come up with three potential options for you so far." Caster passes her page of notes over to you, but the contents remain illegible."I'm sorry, Caster, but I'm afraid I don't understand Greek," you say. Caster blushes, realizing her mistake, and replies, "Oh, of course not! Sorry. I'll just tell you about them instead. The first," she says, raising a finger, "would be a bow that's been enchanted to send its arrows through that world, so that they appear from the shadows or in your enemy's blind spot. Second, a blade could be enchanted to take on the properties of Nothingness and pass through the enemy's armor. Third, I could apply the property to a cloak, allowing it to absorb the enemy's attacks by sending what touches it into the world of Imaginary Numbers. Once you start thinking about it, the versatility of your origin is really incredible!""Well," you say, "that certainly does sound impressive. From the weapons you've come up with so far...">[ ] "...I think the bow seems the most useful. After all, you can always dodge a blade, even if it can cut through any defenses. This weapon would allow me to consistently take enemies by surprise, even in the thick of battle.">[ ] "...I like the idea of the enchanted blade best. I've been fighting my enemies in melee up until now; a change would be to my detriment. If I need range, you can teach me some magic for projectile attacks, right?">[ ] "...the cloak seems the most versatile. First of all, defensive utility is all-important for a commander. Secondly, I'm not sure it would have to be entirely defensive. I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon.">[ ] "...I think we may be able to improve on the implementation of my origin further. You've given me an idea." (Write in your own enchanted item.)>[ ] Say something else entirely (Write in)
>>3443692>[ ] "...the cloak seems the most versatile. First of all, defensive utility is all-important for a commander. Secondly, I'm not sure it would have to be entirely defensive. I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon."This sounds pretty bitching, although it does beg the question- might there be some way to use the cloak to “redirect” the enemy’s attacks back through the realm? Or maybe that’s a second tool entirely...
>>3443692>[ ] "...I like the idea of the enchanted blade best. I've been fighting my enemies in melee up until now; a change would be to my detriment. If I need range, you can teach me some magic for projectile attacks, right?"Wow, those are some high class as fuck items, Caster.
>>3443705Tbh senpai I’d rather an item which would help us not die rather than kill more efficiently. Also, can we send a super-vampire to the realm of imaginary numbers? Feel like that’d be cool.
>>3443721Hey, just cause we're dealing with imaginary numbers doesn't mean you have to call everyone senpai But hmm.You might be right.If we win this thing we can always get the other two later on.>>3443705>>3443692Switching to support>[ ] "...the cloak seems the most versatile. First of all, defensive utility is all-important for a commander. Secondly, I'm not sure it would have to be entirely defensive. I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon."
>>3443692>[ ] "...the cloak seems the most versatile. First of all, defensive utility is all-important for a commander. Secondly, I'm not sure it would have to be entirely defensive. I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon."We could probably send stuff out of the same cloak with practice, I don't think it has to be a one-way street.
Oh yeah, something I didn’t note earlier>Hitler-chan now understands the importance of sorting out supply lines and chains before going out on campaign(S)He really did learn something in life!
>>3443740I would recommend doing some more research.
>>3443748Is it more a German Rearmament type thing for her?Hitler understood the importance of actually building up military strength for his goals and not just running into it.
>>3443762I don't want to get too deep into the details, but a driving force in Hitler's planning and policy during WW2 was the acquisition of necessary resources to keep the German military supplied.Although the war ended with Germany in a terrible supply situation, this was due to an untenable situation. They did plenty of "sorting out supply lines and chains before going out on campaign," as did every military force in the war. The issue was in maintaining production and defending the supply lines. Point is, if Adelheid were Hitler, a constant focus on supply would be in character with his/her behavior during life, not a change.
>>3443775While not exactly a dubyadubyatwo expert, I do feel somewhat compelled to argue that dealing with fundamental resource issues prior to initiating conflict is a supply line/chain issue. Although now that I think about it, that’s an incorrect usage of supply line/chain in the first place, so I cede the point to ye almighty QM.
>>3443692>[ ] "...I like the idea of the enchanted blade best. I've been fighting my enemies in melee up until now; a change would be to my detriment. If I need range, you can teach me some magic for projectile attacks, right?"
>>3443802Prior to the war, Germany was acquiring the necessary resources that could not be produced within the country (such as oil) through trade. Once the war began, international trade was restricted, and other methods of acquisition had to be found. There was a stockpile, of course, but the war took longer than anyone expected. This extension of war took more of a toll on Germany than its enemies.
By the way, I noticed that we raised our Agility by having Matsuda beat us up. How do we raise Strength or Endurance, by constantly punching/getting punched by something?
>>3443820Basically, it's like this. Fighting and sparring practice raise strength, agility, and endurance at the same time, but agility is the most easily raised by this method. You could possibly raise strength faster with a more focused weight-training type approach, or endurance through some other kind of training. If you folks want to go hard on the PT, I'll have to read up a bit on IRL methodology.
>>3443819Was their prewar consumable resource stockpiling really that significant? Neato, didn’t know that.
>>3443824>weight-trainingWeights intended for humans would be nothing to E Rank strength. We would need to have Circe enchant them or we would have to find something extremely heavy (a shipping crate or a car?).
>>3443692>[ ] "...the cloak seems the most versatile. First of all, defensive utility is all-important for a commander. Secondly, I'm not sure it would have to be entirely defensive. I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon."
Huh. Everybody likes the cloak. And here I was thinking the bow was the coolest idea.
>>3443874I love the bow, but have a feeling that it’d be no-sold to no end. Therefore, cloak.
>>3443874The bow is great for a sniper, but we're specialized in melee.The cloak is a very powerful defense: it renders a lot of attacks useless, and as the option brings up it could store or reflect them. Imagine catching an Excaliblast in there and then shooting it back (the cloak probably can't do that but it's an example).The sword was my personal preference, but I was outvoted.
>>3443881>the option brings up it could store or reflect themI didn't mean to give this impression. To be clear, the world of imaginary numbers isn't a pocket dimension for you. You can't store things there with the cloak, or recall what it sends there unless you find another method of accessing it. The cloak has a one-way-only portal.The reason why the bow's arrows can travel through Imaginary Number Space and come out again in the ordinary world is because they are themselves enchanted to do so. With the cloak, it's only the "door" that's enchanted, if that makes sense.
>>3443892Oh, ok. Whelp, still maintaining my vote.
>>3443892>"I'm sure there's some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon."That is the impression I got.Well... it might still be possible to make two portals so what goes in one end goes out the other?And if it sends literally anything it touches to the Imaginary Numbers dimension, I can see enemies having to pass a MAG save to avoid being sucked in.
>>3443901>MAG*MGIBy the way, this is a Mana save.By that, I mean that the one who gets sucked in has to oppose and overwhelm our own Magical Energy powering the cloak in order to escape the pull. Is that right?
"Of those three weapons," you begin, "the cloak seems to be the most versatile tool, as well as the most useful for our situation. Defensive utility is all-important for me, since I'm the one who'll be directing the actions of you and Berserker. As for its versatility," you continue, "I doubt if it would have to be exclusively defensive. There must be some way to use a cloak with that sort of portal as a weapon.""Oh?" Caster looks interested. "What are you thinking of?" "The first idea that comes to mind is to throw my enemies themselves into the reverse side of the world," you say. "But I'll figure application out with practice. What I want to know now is how you'll go about making it, and how long the process will take.""Hmm..." Caster considers for a moment, before answering, "if you're ready for me to begin now, I can probably complete the enchantment in a day or two. Provided I focus on it, anyway. Want me to go ahead, Master?""Yes," you say. "You can begin as soon as you're ready. I'm eager to start using this thing.""Wonderful!" Caster gives you a bright smile and says, Αερο. A gust of wind bursts from her fingertips, and"AAAAAAAH!"A bright red splatter spills across the room. Unprecedented pain shoots into you as you look down and see your left wrist, cleanly severed by the blade of wind. As you watch in horror, fresh blood is pumped out of the wound to puddle on the table."Oh, calm down," says Caster, picking up your severed hand before working another spell to stop the bleeding. "It's just a hand. You'll be as good as new if you drink this and rest for a few hours." The witch sets a crystal vial full of a purplish, murky liquid down on the table, and without pausing to think you seize it up with your remaining hand and pour the contents down your throat."Haa... haa..." You pant for several seconds as the pain in your arm gradually abates, the serum immediately beginning the work of restoration. "Why," you choke out, voice hoarse, "did you do that?""To create a magical tool tied to your origin, I need some of your blood and bone," Caster says, in a tone suggesting this should have been obvious. "Of course, I could take a rib or something bothersome like that, but this was quicker.""Alright, fine," you reply. The pain has faded, and you manage to get a veneer of normalcy back into your voice. "Magic needs bizarre components, alright. But why, Caster, Why did you not tell me you were going to cut my hand off?""If you knew it was coming you'd be tense," Caster says, "the pain would feel worse that way."You find it difficult to believe that tension would worsen the pain of a severed hand, but you're not ready to argue the point. "Alright, Caster. If that's all, and you don't need any more body parts to prepare this cloak..."
>[ ] "...I'm going to my room to get some sleep. You said this stuff works better with rest, right?" (Self-Preservation)>[ ] "...let's take a moment to consider the War. I want to know what Archer and Rider are up to. Can you show me?" (Duty)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3444062>[ ] "...let's take a moment to consider the War. I want to know what Archer and Rider are up to. Can you show me?" (Duty)Fucking magi.
>>3444062>[ ] "...let's take a moment to consider the War. I want to know what Archer and Rider are up to. Can you show me? (Duty)Fucking Magi
>>3444062>[ ] "...let's take a moment to consider the War. I want to know what Archer and Rider are up to. Can you show me?" (Duty)Is this the first step on the road to making Yumigawa pain-tolerant?
>>3444185Depends on the magnitude. Will this experience contribute to his tolerance of pain? Sure. Is he going to get to a point where he can handle getting a hand chopped off without batting an eye? No.Even Shirou, who spent his whole childhood undergoing nightly spine-melting practice had some pretty memorable screams in the VN, after all.
>>3444423Shirou's pain tolerance is all sorts of fucked.He might just be screaming out of shock. Wasn't there a bad ending where worms eat his fucking feet and he doesn't notice immediately?
>>3444428Yeah, the one where he was running from Zouken. He just falls down and then realizes his feet were eaten by worms
GET for akeldama
>>3444449Fuck Strukers 2016, OK
Now that that's over, what's our edge going to be and how are we going to fight Archer and Rider? We should have a strategy and some tactics hammered out before we fight, so we can beat them. There's no point in talking about Cid or Extra Assassin because we know too little about them to make any conclusions.
>>3444474>ArcherLet him die>RiderOverwhelm him with Caster+Berserker, murder the American while he’s in trouble.Pretty cut and dry desu
>>3444546Furthermore with Rider, it should be a boarding action with both servants clearing the way for Rushorou. I find it doubtful the American would NOT be on the ship.
>>3444553>the AmericanI did give you folks his name. Jack DeLancey is the Master of Rider.
>>3444561Gotta dehumanize the enemy before we send him to the imaginary numbers realm
>>3444546>>3444553Yeah, I guess, but is there anything more specific? I doubt it.>>3444583this
>>3444599>More specificI suppose before initiating the assault we should have Circe and Hitler-chan tell us in private what their NPs are- maybe we won’t have to board at all.
>>3444583I'M GOING TO SEND YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM, BANDIT KEITH.
>>3444603Yeah, if Adelhied had a Grand Slam or a T-14 it'd be easy to blow up QAR.
>>3444604>THIS MAY BE THE END FOR ME... BUT AT LEAST I'LL GO OUT A PROUD AMERICAN
>>3444062>[ ] "...let's take a moment to consider the War. I want to know what Archer and Rider are up to. Can you show me?" (Duty)Magi, man. Every time.>>3444474For Archer, I guess depends on what we see while scrying. It's probably smartest to just let him die, given the raging bullshit that is Colt .45, but if he plans to attack us we'll just have to find a way to take him out.As for Rider, have Caster spam familiars to overrun his ship and kill his master. Use Berserker to fuck up Rider (if possible given his ridiculous stats) and smash up QAR.
As the pain fades from your wrist, you soon find that it's a trial to hold back the rage threatening to bubble up and fill the mental space it's left. You need to change the subject, find another enemy to focus on. "If you don't need anything more from me for this cloak," you say, keeping the anger from your voice by force of will, "I'd like to get a look at what our enemies are doing. Can you do some scrying for me, Caster?""Of course," she says, and the wide, shallow scrying dish coalesces out of golden light on the table between you. "I'd ask who you'd like to see," she continues, "but they're all together right now, so that isn't an issue! Let's take a look."The as you watch, the reflection of your face in the shining water is wiped away, transformed into a view of the deck of the Queen Anne's Revenge, surrounded by the sapphire ocean, sparkling under the summer sun. A large, round wooden table has been brought out onto the deck, its elegant engravings testifying to the ship's origin in the French navy. Rider, Archer, and DeLancey are seated at three chairs placed equidistant around the table, and a haze of smoke hangs over them from Rider's fuses and Archer's cigar."What I don't see," Rider is saying, "is why I should trust you, Archer. Sure, it's a fine plan assuming it all goes the way you say, but you're on a time limit with no Master and nobody you could contract with. Now, it seems to me you'd do a better job of finishing off the war quick by shooting me in the back in the thick of it than sticking to your word.""You've got a point there," replies Archer, "I just might turn against you. Predicting a man's actions is a hard thing. Problem is, you don't have a choice.""That's a laugh," DeLancey drawls. "You're the one at the end of your rope, Archer. Spare us the cock-and-bull story about you bein' our only hope, would ya?""Unless you know something we don't," says Rider, "I have to say Jack's got the right of it. Caster won't be any trouble as long as Jack stays on the ship, and Berserker's nothing but cannon fodder without a crowd to be a distraction. You're not gonna tell me there's a third Master, are you?""Oh no," says Archer, smirking. "Just the opposite. Caster's Master stole Berserker, and the kid apparently has enough energy to support them both. Think you can take those two at the same time, Rider?""Aw, Hell!" Jack curses, and Blackbeard's face darkens in rage. "Alright, ye two-faced bastard," he growls. "Looks like we two really do have to work together. Don't go expectin' a cut o' the spoils, though.""Afraid I don't know how to go about dividing a wish," says Archer. "We'll have to settle that some other way."Bwahahahaha!" Blackbeard lets out a roar of laughter. "Ye really think yer comin' out on top, huh! Well, puttin' that aside, when d'ya want to put this attack plan o' yours into action?"
"Tomorrow morning," Archer declares. "The longer we wait, the more time Caster and Berserker have to work on their coordination.""No can do," says DeLancey. "We'll need more time. Let's do it the next day.""Have to work on that legend, huh? Alright," Archer says, "we'll attack first thing tomorrow." Archer tosses his finished cigar, letting a few moments of silence stretch out before he says, "I... don't suppose you'd be open to giving me a spare cabin. It's been quite some time since I had a rest."Caster dispels the image, her face grim, waiting for you to comment. "It's a shame we missed the details of their plan of attack," you say. "Still, we at least now know when they'll be making it, and that Rider and Archer are cooperating again.""Well, yes," Caster replies. "But how do you want to respond, Master?">[ ] "There's nothing for it but to receive their attack. We'll prepare as much as we can tomorrow and defeat them here, at the university." (Duty)>[ ] "I'm not going to let them determine the terms of the battle. Tomorrow we'll go on the offensive and defeat them before they can finish preparing for their plan." (Pride)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3445181>[ ] "I'm not going to let them determine the terms of the battle. Tomorrow we'll go on the offensive and defeat them before they can finish preparing for their plan." (Pride)I feel that we'll be ready enough after the cloak is finished.
>>3445181>[ ] "There's nothing for it but to receive their attack. We'll prepare as much as we can tomorrow and defeat them here, at the university." (Duty)It's a damn shame we haven't asked about the girls' Noble Phantasms... hey, maybe we should do that now. We should also get the noncombatants in an area that can at least sustain bombardment.
Now that it would no longer be a spoiler, I can ask why you folks thought "let him die" was a viable strategy for dealing with Archer. Did you really think he'd just hang out in the city for a week and fade away?
>>3445290No.But I figured he'd be getting weaker and wouldn't be retarded enough to team up with Rider.
>>3445181>[ ] "I'm not going to let them determine the terms of the battle. Tomorrow we'll go on the offensive and defeat them before they can finish preparing for their plan." (Pride)
>>3445290I didn't think anything like that, I wanted to get rid of both of them. That's why I wanted Berserker in the first place, because I knew he would team up with Rider and try a Hail Mary. It's what we would do if we were playing as him.
>>3445299I feel like we should wait for the cloak to be finished so we can nullify Archer's NP.
>>3445290I didn't think it'd be effective, just that it would give us some sufficient downtime/prep time.
>>3445290>[ ] Information comes first. Ask Caster about her Noble Phantasm, then ask Adelheid telepathically about hers.>>3445290Not so much that I thought it was a viable strategy and more that I didn't want anyone in our crew to get killed in one hit because we rushed headlong into battle against one of the most bullshit NPs in existence without a way to counter it.
>>3445290I didn’t think he (or Blackbeard) would trust eachother enough to team up properly like this. Also, by waiting he’d have been weaker anyways. >>3445181>[ ] "I'm not going to let them determine the terms of the battle. Tomorrow we'll go on the offensive and defeat them before they can finish preparing for their plan." (Pride)BUT>The time is now to powwow with both Berserker and Caster and discuss their abilities to the fullest extent.
>>3445295>wouldn't be retarded enough to team up with RiderI don't get this. He's got nothing to lose, since he'll fade out after a week unless he can manage to take everyone out. Why do you think it's a bad idea for Archer to team up with Rider, when his only alternative is attacking you alone?
>>3445362Because Rider could quite feasibly kill him at any point while they’re together. I think he’d have enough time to wait for the big battle to break out so that he could pounce on it at range. >>3445181>Have to work on that legend, huh? oWo what’s this?
>>3445210Reminder that Caster said that preparing the cloak would take "a day or two." If you attack tomorrow, it will absolutely not be usable.
>>3445395Then I'm switching to Duty.
>>3445349Changing to support >>3445356
Prepare defensively and receive the attack the day after tomorrow.>>3445527>>3445265Talk with Adelheid and Caster, then go on the offensive>>3445356>>3445568Go on the offensive tomorrow.>>3445299Tie...
>>3445668Would the cloak be ready if we night raid the third option?
Since we're tied and this thread has sunk to page 8, I've decided to move to a new thread. >>3445671