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"COME AND TAKE IT THEN SCUM!""

As you awake, you scramble in the little longship cabin to grab your rifle and put on your armor before jumping outside to quickly scan the environment.
It was not the valley of death you saw in your dreams nor the numberless hordes of savages.
Rather, all you saw were a few meager boats lead by a man dressed as a member of the Night's Watch.

Boats which were now changing direction rapidly as their leader just fell into the river on his armor, coloring the water red. Short ranged as pistols were, it would seem they were still plenty good for scaring overconfident river pirates.

Ah... The Sight is just like back in Hag's mire, albeit you had 30 men back then with muskets, rather than 20. Good times.

You return to the cabin and have some breakfast.



On the last thread we returned from hiatus and you finally re-established some form of government into your domains by assembling a council of Maesters by cutting a deal with the Conclave. You would give them the learning you had on Type Metal so they can make their own printing presses and you in turn would receive enough learned men from them to form a council, a most uncommon thing for the Citadel to agree to, but also giving great prestige to you.

Soon after the arrival of your new council, a courier ship brought you a heap of mail with Lord Eddard Stark showing interest in your black powder troops, Prince Stannis Baratheon asking for a ballpark figure when you get powder production going and finally learning that your sister is due to get married in six months.

Your council advised you to capitalize on this interest relating black powder and told you that you should either seek loans or investors in order to make sure you can meet the demands of the Crown and your Liege Lord in the future.
In the end you decided that it's best to ask for loans from the people who actually showed the most interest in the stuff, so you booked first for a trip to Winterfell with your outriders as Lord Stark had asked to borrow a black powder unit for a month.

During the trip, you stopped at White Harbor and Lord Wyman Manderly also showed an interest in your product, offering a vassalage in exchange for more land and enough gold to get your black powder production fully going.
An offer which you refused his offer, at least for the time being.

You did however part on friendly terms.

Right now however, after days of travel by ship and horse, you finally reached Winterfell.

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The Castle of Winterfell itself was a great compound with water from hot springs crossing about the whole castle, making it possibly the best heated castles in Seven Kingdoms, albeit not the most defensible.

Though Winterfell had many comforts that would make it one of the best places to wait out the Winter, it's placement also meant it was vulnerable to most every form of siege weapon conceived in this time period.
Whilst your castle was unassailable by siege towers as it was located on a hill and those castles located on mountains would render trebuchets unusable, Winterfell enjoyed no such assurances of security, relying instead on it's thick walls and segmented courtyards provide it safety unlike the more murderous castles like Casterly Rock, which required a man to go multiple gatehouses to even attempt to storm the castle itself.

You did however appreciate the ease of access whilst riding through the Winter Town with your Outriders and the wagon of goodies you brought. The Sun was high in the sky. It was midday when you made your approach to the East Gate, finally reaching your destination.
You made small chat with your men as you rode.

"First time in Winterfell Lucan?"
"Yes my lord, this is the first time I'm so far from home."
"Nervous?"
"Who wouldn't be? Winterfell has history stretching for tens of thousands of years and there's too many legends about House Stark that a single man could remember them all!"
"Yerp and you're gonna get to spend a month proving your worth to Lord Stark and I get to watch, so you know, no pressure Hahaha!"


>How would you like to announce your arrival?

>[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.
>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.
>write-in

>>3024345
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.

>>3024345
[Capture Winterfell] 20 good men ought to do it

But seriously,

>[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.
No need to terrify the smallfolk yet

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>>3024354
>pic related

>>3024345
If we think Lucan can do it,
>[Bulli Lucan]: Send him out to announce your arrival despite being so nervous.
If its obvious he will shit his breeches,
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.

Prefferrably have him do the announcing.

>>3024345
>>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.

>>3024345
>>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.

>>3024345
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.

>>3024345
>>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.
missed last thread, but welcome back

>>3024345
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss.
MY LIEGE

Why not just challenge our underlings to surpass their sensed limitations? Have Lucan go and introduce us.

>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Ryd_p20XEU

>>3024345
>[Fire in the Sky]: Pull out the Mortar and shoot some firecrackers into the sky as you approach the gates.

I'm immensely disappointed that no-one else has voted for this option.

>>3024345
>[No bulli]: Just ride out yourself without making any fuss
We can wow them later, but Ned seems the type to prefer we not scare his entire household to death as joke.

>>3024345 what is wrong with this Castle it's like it was built by a retard the courtyards are too big the gate houses are too small the kitchen is located way too fucking far from the Great Hall. Brandon the Builder can go fuck himself

>>3027510
Most castles in Westeros are built by retards from your understanding.

There are very few truly "impregnable" fortresses that you must siege to take down.
Usually most of them are way too large for their own good and their best defense is their positioning.

This of course includes your castle as well, though it's pretty "small" by Westerosi standards.
I can only assume the logic is that they're also designed to hold vast stores of food.

>>3027547
The first two were minor nitpicks the kitchen's being that far from the Great Hall means food is always served cold that's not a defensive problem that's a design problem

>>3027553 clearly he told the Giants the kitchen is to be 5 steps away from the Great Hall and thus five giants steps away when he meant human

>>3027547
I cant imagine how big of a pain in the ass our to-be starfort is to take by force.

>>3027668
Typically speaking obsessively designed fortresses of immense size are a colossal nearly impossible pain in the labia

>>3027701
Harrenhall was retarded but a good starfort will outlast it for a fraction of the price.

>>3027701
goof thing we dont have such a thing.

Bad thing we dont have the manpower to man the fortification of a overly fortified micro pseudo-polis.

>>3027728
well yeah. not designing them to be massive seats of residence and have a small city sector inside them, makes them a lot more cheaper for similar if not superior military capability to lock a area down.

The only thing they can not do ishold in a massive amount of people inside.

What might be the point of the megacastles of Westeros...

>>3027741
Prestige? A Show of Wealth?
I don't think Castle doctrines needed to develope much in Westeros within the last 300 years or so as Dragons ruled and the purpose of Soldiers was mainly as an occupying force.

If we consider castles as an offensive, rather than a defensive tool, it sort of makes sense. The More soldiers your castle can hold, the greater occupying force you could field and need to engineer deathmazes isn't as great as the need to exert control over large area.

>>3027858
that plus quasi bunkers against wierd magi shit like ice demons, undead, tree telepathic midget dryads, various other gribblies, etc.

then add into consideration that most major castles are built by living legends, and the red keep was built by the remnant of a magical high society wanting to match said relics of a legendary past.

We are a wierd bodysnatching immortal soul so we don't care as much about living a legacy for multiple millennia, but megastructures that can withstand the test of time with some minimum of maintenance is a good way to ensure immortality, and if you are reaching near demigod levels even if only as a meme, you will want something like that to leave behind.

>>3027510
I presume the Kitchen is so far away because that's where they butcher animals, preserve food and otherwise process it whilst the Great Hall is where they actually cook the food when necessary.

In that sense it's reasonable to have it near the Kennels and the Hunter's gate as the parts not fit for consumption go for animals.

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>[No Bulli]

Yea there's no need to push him. He has ample time to embarrass himself without your help. That or he will learn to hide his powerlevel.
From your perspective, it's a win-win situation either way.

You ride out to greet the guards.
"G'day mates, mind relaying to Lord Stark that Lord Arthur of House Tallon has arrived with his pack of mail-order pistoliers?"
"Of course, milord, we've been expecting your retinue. You are free to enter. After taking your horses to the Stables, head to the guest houses by the courtyard if you'd like to unload your luggage."
"Will do, cheers mate, ave a good one."

You and your retinue ride past the gate with your wagon, entering the castle-complex.
"Right-ho, I'm going to be waiting with the wagon by the guesthouses. You lot go and park my pony in the Stables."
"Yes my lord."

Whilst your men tended to their business, you tended to yours and started chatting with the servants and getting the rooms sorted out. As you entered the guest house, there was a tray of bread, salt and water from which you naturally partook, invoking the guest right.
thanks
As an important guest, you were given a large room that had a glass window and a fireplace on the second floor. The Bed obviously was meant for two people and there were enough coverings that you would most certainly not be cold.
The Servants reminded you that if you need a snack, just let them know and they'll get you drink and food.
The Starks knew the meaning of hospitality if nothing else.

After getting the rooms sorted out, you had a bit of time to kill till the Starks would receive you.

> Go hang out by the Smithy and totally not be judgemental and shit about the workmanship of their smith.
> Go hang out in the guest house, maybe there's someone else in here as well.
> Go watch the training in the courtyard
> Write-in:

> Go hang out by the Smithy and totally not be judgemental and shit about the workmanship of their smith.
Pro bono lessons...

on the other hand, tiny rob and john bashing one another with sticks...

>>3028158
>tiny rob and john bashing one another with sticks...
Exactly where creepy uncle Arthur comes in.

>>3028155
> Go watch the training in the courtyard
See if we cant insert ourselves into the kids minds right now or endear ourselves to the local knights/fighters.

>>3028155
> Go watch the training in the courtyard

>>3028155
>Go watch the training in the courtyard

>>3028155
> Go watch the training in the courtyard

>>3028173
our combat skills are kind of mediocre for a knight.

Definitely for one of our reputation. We may want to fix that eventually.

>>3028155
> Go watch the training in the courtyard

>>3028155
>Go watch the training in the courtyard

>>3028398
Didnt mean we go fight. I meant we go talk/show off guns. Besides, our technique is pretty good. Its our physical stats that are not stellar for a frontline knight.

>>3028173
You're probably gonna get your ass beat if you go fighting the way you are since while you definitely are better than the average peasant levy, just about any professional warrior should be able to beat your ass on a sword fight.

You've pretty much completely disregarded horsemanship and martial practice in favor of studying and guns.

>>3028521
We will get Gud at swords and horses next life

>>3028521
I was under the impression we had good technique but lacked the physique to pull off any serious duels with knights. What with us being described as near Jaime level at Harrenhall and he got to be a Kings Guard for his swordfightering.

>>3028596
We were Jamie level when he was 12, we still are Jamie level when he was 12. Hes like 17 now our ass would be wrecked.

>>3028606
And he got put into the Kingsguard around that time. No shit we would get wrecked by Jaime, Im saying our technique was what carried us while we were a scrawny twat and while our physique hasnt changed that much, our skill hasnt diminished either. Probably get beat by most serious knights, but not due to being shit with a sword, its due to being a nerd without *dem gains*.

>>3028698
We could fight a guard probably. Our skill is what 4? I imagine most standard knights to be around the 5 range and the good ones 7.

>>3028698 keep in mind like any other physical skill fighting with a sword is a perishable Talent. We've spent years studying and shooting stuff with our guns and hanging around with sailors. We're not exactly the fighter we used to be

>>3028955
True, we should probably do some sword practice so we don't loose the skills

>>3028969
Like that will ever be voted for

>>3029096
Lol true

>>3029131
>>3029096
Nah we just have to die to a dagger in the dark then maybe anons will consider it seriously. Bullets don't protect against sneaky stabby time.

Which given what we have been doing is probably going to happen sooner rather then later.

>>3029140
Yeah I'm actually suprisingly excited about dieing then clawing our way back up higher and stronger until we are eventually reborn the emperor of mankind with 10s in all stats

>>3029179
That'll be the day when this turns into a xianxia quest.

Probably should warn you in regards of martial prowess. If you get spawned as lowborn, access to fighting skills will be far, far more difficult in Westeros unless you join a mercenary company.

>>3029569
Honestly I think after this run we should try and explore and learn as much as possible about the world, then after another 5 or s Ives try conquering the whole thing. Sure itll take years real time but itll be a ton of fun.

>>3029583
I'm saving exploring when we spawn as a commoner. At that point are best option is to travel to Essos and become a Merc. As the idea of staying as a broke ass sailor doesn't seem that great of an idea. Our understanding of siege technology alone would make our services quite valuable.

Its just kind of hard to up and leave if we aren't born as an Ironborne noble. Even as a member of a merchant family we wouldn't wanna leave given our knowledge and wealth to work with.

Not that I wouldn't love to go explore its just too hard to convince other anons when we ACTUALLY have status and money to begin with to actually do stuff with. Being a broke ass peasant on the other hand doesn't exactly give anons much of a choice.

>>3028955
Game mechanics say no, likewise, we wouldnt have been a great swordfighter as a kid if it didnt carry over fully.

>>3029140
>Holdout pistol instead of trying to daggerfight an assassin in CQC
>What is you

>>3029604
If we CAN build an airplane or a fuckoff Zeppelin or Dreadnought for the seas, why wouldnt we?

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> Go and watch the training in the Courtyard

"Nice. Now that we're finally here, we've a bit free time before we're called in. You can get yourselves settled in guest barracks and have a power nap or something.
Those that aren't tired can join me in the courtyard and watch how the men of Winterfell train their warriors."

The lads that were in night shift went straight to bed, everyone else joined you after dropping their travel chests into the room.

In the courtyard you saw the Master-at-arms of Winterfell overseeing the training regimen of the castle guard. The Grown men were sparring with wooden swords and shields whilst the young boys, not yet tall enough for such sport were hitting dummies.

You're not exactly sure who is who. Everyone is pretty much wearing Stark colours.

The Training they were undertaking wasn't that much different form what you received. Solid basic swings and thrusts, making them go where you want them to go and learning the edge alingment.
Hell, even in the Iron Islands, that was something you were taught. You ended up getting pretty far in the Harrenhal Tourney with those basics.
Far as you can tell, the guy who devised this training should know what he is doing.

You think for a moment, what was his name again...

Rodrik Cassel! That's right. If you remember correctly, he was the guy that escorted Catelyn Stark to King's Landing. You're pretty sure he wasn't one of the mooks who got killed in the fucking mountain clans in the ambush.

Yea, he's the guy that got lured out of the Castle when Theon went Judas on the Starks. This man could serve a purpose towards avoiding that.

You put your arms on the fence and spectate for a while before the Master-at-arms notices you and approaches.

"Good day, is there something I can help you with?"
"Oh no, I'm just here to spectate. Been a long trip from Bite and all that. Arthur Tallon, the freshly minted Lord of the former Fullaxe estate."
"Ser Rodrik Cassel. I am the Master-at-arms here in Winterfell, I take it these are?"
"Yep, these are my almost equally freshly minted Outrider Pistol Cavalry. Still in the middle of finishing their training, but they're getting there."
"We shall see in the coming month how they perform. I must admit despite calling myself a Master-at-arms arms, I know remarkably little of these weapons of yours."
"Ah. Well, I think a month is more than enough time for you to become a decent enough shot these things. They're remarkably straightforward and easier and safer to use than the common crossbow."
"They say a Crossbow is a coward's weapon. What say you to that?"
"I say then that an army of well drilled Cowards can make for as fearsome adversaries as any."
He snorts
"An Army of cowards? That's a good one. But aye, tactics and strategy beat bravery any day of the week. We'll see what sort of men you're making down in the Bite."

> How about a demonstration?
> Better wait when the Starks are watching
> Write-in

>>3029941
> How about a demonstration?

> time to show the savages real firepower

>>3029941
>> How about a demonstration?

>>3029941
>> How about a demonstration?
Just the tip

>>3029941
>How about a demonstration?

If you're going for a demonstration, would you like to specify what sort of demonstration you're going with?

Just showing him how a musket works, popping some stupidly far off target with a rifle or just having your riders do some horseback shooting?

>>3029986
just a general showing of the musket vs Armour go into a deep dive into it's strengths and weaknesses of gun powder the guys a tactician so we should appeal to that sensibility rather then attempting to wow him save that for the starks

>>3029986
Show him how it works, have him shoot something and lets pop a few far-off targets ourselves. Should be a nice 10 minutes.

we should make some drinks to sell to the south [ wiskey , vodka , etc ]

>>3030028
This.

>>3030029
When we get back to our own lands, maybe. But at the moment we've got a month at Winterfell with far more important things to do than getting our distillery beyond the prototype stage.

>>3030028
Maybe add in pistol, and specify the difference.

>>3030057
This. We should be looking at what we can offer the Starks to improve our position in the world. Worst comes to worst, we could see about getting them to provide funds for our efforts to restore our lands. Maybe play up the whole "lords duty to the smalfolk" shtick.

>>3030125
With the fact we are trying to get around 10k GD out of him I dont think he will give us extra pocket change. As to seeing what else we could sell him/other northern lords, sure, though I suspect it is not something immideately obvious and more than likely locked behind either mass gunpowder or steam engines. Coincidentally the two things we should focus on instead of shitty side projects.

>>3030160
>With the fact we are trying to get around 10k GD out of him I dont think he will give us extra pocket change.
I suppose but we can point out how shitty our lands are doing and how, in addition to funding for the blackpowder production, we need money to restore order and prevent issues.

Wasn't it 6K GD for our ship though? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

>As to seeing what else we could sell him/other northern lords, sure, though I suspect it is not something immediately obvious and more than likely locked behind either mass gunpowder or steam engines. Coincidentally the two things we should focus on instead of shitty side projects.
True.

To be fair though, I get the feeling the limiter for us is going to be funds not tech. Assuming we spend four days a week training / studying, two days a week ruling and a day a week designing new tech, I think we could have some good prototyping done for most of our ideas in as little as three months all the while managing to improve ourselves greatly in other regards.

Plus, the Manderly's just wanted something that the other cities didn't have that would put his cities on the map. Compasses, distilled alcohol and maybe one other thing of a more militaristic style, if offered as potential goods might interest him enough to grant us the lands he offered in return for how to make them / the sole trading rights.

>>3030168
>I suppose but we can point out how shitty our lands are doing and how, in addition to funding for the blackpowder production, we need money to restore order and prevent issues.
We got 6k for the ship. Now we are after potential loans from Ned and Mannis. Cash money baby.

>To be fair though, I get the feeling the limiter for us is going to be funds not tech. Assuming we spend four days a week training / studying, two days a week ruling and a day a week designing new tech, I think we could have some good prototyping done for most of our ideas in as little as three months all the while managing to improve ourselves greatly in other regards.

>Plus, the Manderly's just wanted something that the other cities didn't have that would put his cities on the map. Compasses, distilled alcohol and maybe one other thing of a more militaristic style, if offered as potential goods might interest him enough to grant us the lands he offered in return for how to make them / the sole trading rights.

Money will definitely be an issue, however time will be our main enemy. With 5K rolling in and a limited time to avert it, we need to seriously focus on getting tech out ASAP. As to 3 months, you are a real optimist. I would be happy if we got a prototype steam engine out in 3 months if we only focused on that. One day a week means we will still be using horses and flintlocks by 5K. Besides, the whole reason we got the Conclave involved was so we could offload as much work as we could, thus minimizing our ruling duties to a few hours a day or so, if even that, considering we have a measily 1000 peons and enough officials to manage it autonomously for the most part. Our time will be spent trying to make a functional steam engine so we can print platemail (read money) and fly by the time Ned starts his little coup.

Keep in mind lot of the North is underdeveloped, which means there's not a small amount of people who'd also need loans.

You can't expect huge amounts of money, but the fact that there's Crown interest means he is likely to feel some obligation in that end.

>>3030185
>We got 6k for the ship. Now we are after potential loans from Ned and Mannis. Cash money baby.
Okay fair enough, I'd just rather you put it as 6K GD+ rather than assuming a set amount. Especially when one could really leverage our position against them by threatening to take the secret of gunpowder to the grave if they don't provide us with enough money to do this shit properly like anyone with a monopoly should.

>Money will definitely be an issue, however time will be our main enemy. With 5K rolling in and a limited time to avert it, we need to seriously focus on getting tech out ASAP.
True but I'd argue we shouldn't try to avert shit. The closer events go to the show and to the book the more easily we can predict the world around us and make intelligent moves beyond our station and power. Also because as smart and potentially powerful as we are, I don't see us being that powerful: what you want to stop has been in motion for years.

>As to 3 months, you are a real optimist. I would be happy if we got a prototype steam engine out in 3 months if we only focused on that.
Eh, I suppose. To be fair the only tech development we've done are guns and a proto-distillery (which helps with the steam engine, as we had to develop pressure measuring systems for one thing) so it is hard to tell just how fast we can design if we have no distractions and are willing to spend money proto-typing. Especially given we are far more educated now than the last time we did it.

Also I set such a large amount of time aside for training because, if nothing else, knowledge is the only thing we can take from this life and our arch-maester friend gave us 100 books that are all introductions to citadel learning on various subjects.

>One day a week means we will still be using horses and flintlocks by 5K.
To be fair, even that is possibly enough to deal with our competitors if we employ them correctly and in large enough numbers. Which will be made easier as we set up additional gun-manufacturing infrastructure like semi-automated production lines.

>Besides, the whole reason we got the Conclave involved was so we could offload as much work as we could, thus minimising our ruling duties to a few hours a day or so, if even that, considering we have a measly 1000 peons and enough officials to manage it autonomously for the most part.
Yeah I suppose I overestimate the amount of time we'll need for ruling but I'd say a half-day a week at the very least given we want to at least pretend to care.

>Our time will be spent trying to make a functional steam engine so we can print plate mail (read money) and fly by the time Ned starts his little coup.
I entirely understand that but would question if printing plate mail is even a profitable enterprise. Compared to producing cheap tools and other refined goods. Given that most lords who would be able to afford a suit of plate want it to be custom-fit to them and those that can't often have inherited armour.

>>3030185

so the general idea is to create a industrial revolution in our lands for start making a lot of rifles&cannons (plus maybe war machines ?) before the civil war starts ?

>>3030201
>I entirely understand that but would question if printing plate mail is even a profitable enterprise. Compared to producing cheap tools and other refined goods. Given that most lords who would be able to afford a suit of plate want it to be custom-fit to them and those that can't often have inherited armour.
Maybe lords wont want to wear it, but getting for their men would be a big step.

Aside does anyone else have to solve like 12 captchas now a days?

To be entirely fair steam engine is going to require almost fuck-all research to actually design since you did actually work with engines in your first life.

The Distillery and Alchemy shit is actually a fair bit more difficult because it wasn't something you had actually any practice in.

Key issue really is coming up with ways to make the tools and instruments so you can actually manufacture the engines to sufficient precision.

It's actually towards this end that the tide mills are necessary. You've actually got the tools you used to bore the cannons for your ship in existence, but it does need to be hooked up to a power source.

Once you get that hooked up, you could try and make a shitty steam engine immediately, but if you want to power any factories or vehicles, you do actually need to reach precision far beyond what anyone in the known world is capable of.

Luckily for you, precision is a machinist's bread and butter.

>>3030220
>Maybe lords wont want to wear it, but getting for their men would be a big step.
I suppose but then we hit into another barrier: Tradition! I'd argue some lords are going to look at making their soldiers look like knights and feel uncomfortable with the "social order" being disturbed.

I'd argue we'd be better off producing arrowheads, spear heads and other such small pieces of metal which are primarily expensive because of their production cost rather than material costs. Given we could probably automate a fair portion of the production.

>Aside does anyone else have to solve like 12 captchas now a days?
Nah man. Most of the time I only solve a few if I even have to solve one.

>>3030224
>Once you get that hooked up, you could try and make a shitty steam engine immediately, but if you want to power any factories or vehicles, you do actually need to reach precision far beyond what anyone in the known world is capable of.
Funny you mention that. In my research about nail / screw production, I saw a lot of different standardisation developments and methods which we'll probably need. Long story short, we need to develop this guy's shit so we can produce standardised parts for all our machines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Maudslay,

>>3030203
Basically, and get filthy rich along the way.

>>3030220
Considering we can make armor that a smith makes for months in about a day and with modular replacement parts, outfitting your troops with breastplates is suddenly a feasible thing.

>>3030225
Cheap mass-produced plate is a literal goldmine. Material cost of fuck-all and a market price worth many a mans house. As to producing shit-tier goods, why bother? Why not instead make quality steel tools that we sell well below the market price so that more people will buy from us. Not like the iron needed to make a steel plane tool is worth much compared to the finished product. Arrow heads though? Nah senpai, better focus arms sales on gunpowder.

>>3030255
>Cheap mass-produced plate is a literal goldmine.
I suppose it could be.

>Material cost of fuck-all and a market price worth many a mans house.
Second statement is true, first less so but both are true enough to make me agree with you.

>As to producing shit-tier goods, why bother? Why not instead make quality steel tools that we sell well below the market price so that more people will buy from us.
Well I agree we should do that too but in the case of the goods I listed, their small size means that machines could be developed to produce them without requiring too much of a time or money investment in them compared to designing a machine (or machines) to produce a breastplate.

>Nah senpai, better focus arms sales on gunpowder.
You are forgetting that there are people who will still want to use archers, for admittedly good reason, so we should cater to them too. Spears are good because they can be used to cheaply equip a huge number of troops. Something which could prove essential given all we face although, if we were to use a ring bayonet, we could potentially use a factory producing them as a way to make "spear" heads. Although these would be more comparable with a pike..

>>3030266
Fair enough, if we have the time, making a nail production line would also be pretty cash-money, however making platemail with some heating, pressing and stamping plus a tempering process is not only of economic but military value to us, seeing as we have few men already.

>>3030296
Oh I don't disagree. Plus, it's aesthetic as shit having all of our soldiers in gleaming steel and vibrant colours. Like Cadian guardsmen, we shall clad them in our finest munitions breastplate and with our mightiest guns they shall be armed.

>>3030255
Main problem with mass produced plate is that it can't be custom fitted, which means it's likely to be ill fitting and will have more weak spots than custom made.

>>3030304
Eh, if we can lower the production costs sufficiently then our soldiers can deal with the discomfort and it will probably protect more than any equivalently cheap armour.

I mean gambeson is easy to automate the production of but chainmail would be a bitch even with a ton of factories. So really the levels of armour we can provide jump between just a gambeson to that plus mass production plate.

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>>3030225

Traditions could be a great problem for us, especially if we want to sell our weapons/armor ecc. .. but for smooth it we have two things :

1 Lords / nobles that don t care about it.

2 Social events for introduce new things and start changing their view.( example starting become a renaissance lord = patron of the artists ecc. ..)


If this two things are not enough then what about the eastern citys of Essos ? a good amount of their forces are mercenarys so knights are not really relevant.

There are citys in Westeros governed by citizens instead of nobles ?
If there are they probably can have only infantry even too much of it.


>>3030255
Well it s really cool and the North is the perfect region for resources.

But for make it right having more population (asking settlers to the high lords or to the king, buying a lot of cheap slaves from essos and make them free if they decide to work our lands and accept North culture/religion, raids for taking the barbarians from the north and make them work to death ecc. ..), perhaps more commerce that enters in our lands , other thinkers and inventors not just us (they are not a lot in this world and most of them don t have any idea of what they are doing .... but taking them and leaving them in a great laboratory near our castle could be an idea. We could even become friends with them) ..... and then if we don t die something else.
Like Marching on Kings Landing with an army of these boys

>>3030309
I think for settlers would could pay to have town cries say that we promise room, board, and pay to hard workers.
And we could network with some ship captains to pay them to ferry men from the south up to us.
It would not be unreasonable to think people might choose to come live up here.
Offer like a stag a month and while they might not spend their lives here they could come to earn some dosh.

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>>3030302
Probably not super vibrant or gleaming but hell yeah

>>3030304
>>3030308
Refer to pic related for a simple solution. Plus, as anon said, gambeson beneath it will help dampen the effect and its not like we cant make a couple size variants - only a matter of changing the dies.

>>3030309
>>3030337
The issue with mass immigration, as in the real world, is the loss of homogenity. If we take people from neighbouring lands, super. The North? Great. But the further we go from home the bigger the chance we pick up assholes along the way. Plus there is always the risk of spies. So although we sorely need people, might just keep it slow and steady and compensate with industry (which is the whole point anyway).

I think inventing the stove would really help our reputation in the north. I mean fireplaces are super wasteful when in comes to fuel efficacy.

I recommend the rocket stove mass heater. It is super efficient and not hard to make like we could teach people how to make them pretty easily. Cutting down wood use for heat by like 75 to 90 % would be pretty amazing for the northern people.

Its more of a goodwill project then a cash money project because the average northman is not rolling in dough. But having your name on the stove in almost everyone home in the north would be good for ones reputation.

>>3030309
>1 Lords / nobles that don t care about it.
Yeah we're quite lucky that Westeros is filled with "morally flexible" individuals who will happily use our guns.

>If this two things are not enough then what about the eastern citys of Essos? a good amount of their forces are mercenary so knights are not really relevant.
In their case, we'd be looking to meet with the Mercenary company leaders rather than city leaders given they are responsible for their own shit.

>There are citys in Westeros governed by citizens instead of nobles ?
Almost certainly, historically cities have a very interesting political position with separate inalienable rights granted over the centuries. Given how long Westeros has been a settled feudal society, the cities should be a god damn clusterfuck of political-favours from centuries past.

>If there are they probably can have only infantry even too much of it.
Eh, they could pull a Venice: rich nobles are expected to form a mounted militia force.

>Everything else
To increase the population of our land could prove somewhat difficulty however I can think of one solution: marriage. If we were to marry into the lands surrounding our own it is quite likely we could expand our effective power in all forms by merely absorbing existing resources.

Alternatively, the establishing of industry, agriculture and other such things can attract population. Although the in-system ways of representing this only apply if population (or any other resource) is going to be improved anyway so we'd need good house rolls and to choose to improve population, it can't happen passively by this method.

We could, as you say, get settlers from the king / high lords. However I'd also consider sending a letter to the Septon who made us into a lord and see if he could send a priest (House Fortune +1 and Resource Loss Mitigation of +1 Influence ) / any willing worshippers of the seven to civilise / settle our lands. In addition to our family, although they already sent us some troops but I see no reason not to see if they want to send us any more help. We might also consider looking for any disgraced or bankrupt people. Social outcasts, unlucky merchants, the homeless and so on.

>>3030347
Eh, we could probably afford to embellish it a bit more than that: maybe our double headed eagle crest on the certain of the chest or something. Although that would greatly complicate the moulding...maybe a project for later. Also we should clearly have pauldrons.

>>3030363
Very true. Still once you start mass producing such things their cost drops into the range of being "cheap" so it is quite possible we could turn a profit.


So many projects, so little time and money. Lord knows we could use another decade to get everything in place...

>>3030372
We have a thousand decades if we play it safe. We can just keep starting over and doing it faster and better if things fall apart.

>>3030377
I know but I want to try and get this done in one life if nothing else so next life, we if nothing else know we can get this stage of things finished. Also because I really enjoy reading from other character's points of view when they are reacting to our strangeness, our tech and just about everything even tangentially related to us.

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>>3030363
Nice idea when we have the time. For now, steam engines.

>>3030368
As I said before, lets be careful with immigrants lest we discover half the players of KL have a finger in our proverbial pie and guns start popping up elsewhere as well.

As to armor, just a matter of changing the die. And we can, in fact, press pauldrons, shinguards, helmets etc. as well, even connect them up.

>>3030372
Aint that the truth.

>>3030377
We have all the time in the world unless we fuck with soul-eating magic.
>pic related

>>3030355
You have a point with having one culture one religion.

But from what i understand we want founds from Ned and Stannis, they will ask for armys equipped with our weapons and trained by our officers.
Armys.
You can t produce that much with the current population we have. We need more.
For deal with other spynetworks you need your own spynetwork

>>3030401
Negative. They want arms, not soldiers. We provide goods, not men. Who they use to man the guns is their own business.

>>3030409
>>3030363
good idea too


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why we are still not married ? waiting for the best alliance /decent&useful&fertile woman around they can throw at us ?
>>3030409
ah sorry i was meaning producing weapons/armors ecc.. not man.
but for produce those quantitys you need more pop than now.

>>3030400
True.

>>3030401
>Population, culture and unity
I have a simple solution, a historical solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wsziaWsBA

We use brutal training and remake whatever recruits we are sent into "Tallon "-ian men with a respect for chain of command and a love for us.

>>3030409
If that is currently the arrangement, they may change their minds but I'd admit I honestly can't think of any reason why they would want us doing the training beyond the possibility of us being considered a better trainer, at least to start with.

>>3030417
Because marrying for tits will get us nothing/killed.

Industry means instead of 50 smiths we can employ 5 workers and get the same results 10 times faster. Banking on that personally.

>>3030419
While a cult of personality is a great way to indoctrinate, we lack the charisma to pull it off, sadly.

Nah, we sell weapons. Wouldnt want your men to be secretly hiding loyalty to some fucker half the word away waiting to betray you. Not that its likely, mind you, but its still a real possibility. A possibility thats all the more painful due to instagibbing guns.

>>3030431
>Because marrying for tits will get us nothing/killed.
He has a point though, we really should get round to see what women we can grab and start figuring out who is best.

>While a cult of personality is a great way to indoctrinate, we lack the charisma to pull it off, sadly.
Eh, something for a future life then.

>Nah, we sell weapons.
Honestly, we might be best off sticking to that for a little while until we know where the chips lie.

Also for money we could sell to arid desert places swamp boxes also known as Evaporative coolers.

I think it could be powered by a sterling engine one of the easiest engines to make.
You could also just make it pedal powered for some poor servant/slave to work out on.

>>3030431
perfect i like it.

so now i understand better the general idea : really slow growth of population and prepare slowly the birth of the industrial revolution but before the start of the civil war.


but if the war kicks in and we are not ready or can t produce enough ?
still not even the settlers from the same type of culture (northmen) and religion (oldgods) for let the population grows a bit more ? just enough for have more villages (5/10) that produce more food and a capital with more manpower for our projects.

>>3030440
In our area, theres one unmarried ho with land available. Sadly, shes on the other side of the bay.

BUT, wizard powers at 100 is pretty nice.

>>3030449
Maybe. Probably shelve it with the heater.

>>3030457
Im not opposed to immigrants but we have to consider that as time goes on more and more spies and criminals will try to infiltrate. So if we want to grow that way we have to have protection in place - also something I think we should talk to Stark about - getting a spymaster, if its even possible.

>>3030459
>In our area, theres one unmarried ho with land available. Sadly, shes on the other side of the bay.
Dang, don't suppose there's anyone nearby with a daughter we could marry that is going to drop dead anytime soon?

>BUT, wizard powers at 100 is pretty nice.
Oh yeah. Ignoring our complete lack of magic knowledge but to be fair, that is par for the course for almost everyone currently so we can deal with that when we get to it.

>>3030467
Criminals I'd argue ain't that much of a bother. Spies I doubt we're going to see as many as you'd expect: we're a small fish to many given we're at most a minor northern lord that has some strange bang sticks to most.

>>3030368
People with problems tend to brimg theirs with them

>>3030476
True. The question is are they worth the difficulty of fixing those problems? Honestly I'm just throwing shit out there 99% of the time in the hopes that some of it is good.

Is there no bordering broad we could bang for land.

>>3030484
Apparently not. Though I'll be honest I've no clue. Honestly, I'd consider banging the daughter of a merchant or a female merchant if we can given we could use it as a shortcut to loads of money.

>>3030474
Consider the fact we are a kid that won a fortune on a bet, basically won the game of being a Measter, built his own ship and fancy guns, was instrumental in crushing the Ironborn fleet and now is doing business with both the Royal Navy and the North.

We are actually pretty high up on the notice board.

>>3030482
As Trump said: "They are not the people we want."

>>3030484
Noooope. Sadly. Though we can probably buy some land but thats another can of worms.

>>3030486
None in our area, maybe in WH, though considering the kinds of sums we need, the only merchants are probably across the sea or far down south.

Why dont we buy a shitton of slaves and made then indentured serfs instead. Hopefully negating the bad press

>>3030493
1) Neds going to NOPE us right in the ass for that.

2) Educated slaves be expensive, uneducated slaves be useless, both are hardly what youd call loyal.

>>3030467
okay
(but spys would just avoid to be farmers and try to be in the capital, and at least as a worker. Plus spys can be stopped until a certain point, and also after have steal our stuff they need to understand it. and if we just take northmens and old gods the chances are more low. i don t have say they don t exist anymore but more low.)

there are probably people like that :

- criminals
- members of religious assassins
- spynetworks of nobles
- people that do that for hobby


after finding one you need to give him founds for recruit and train spys, plus safehouses, perhaps a secret headquarter, weapons ecc..

>>3030467
and i agree with talking to Stark for that

>>3030488
>We are actually pretty high up on the notice board.
I suppose but I'd argue they have little reason to put their spies here rather than around Stark or somewhere else, we're a impressive arms dealer nothing more.

>As Trump said: "They are not the people we want."
Yeah but they are the only ones we can have: the good people are ones who won't come because they can easily get employment in this society.

>>3030491
True, still marrying a merchant would also get us ships, contacts and so on.

>>3030497
*religious assassins orders

>>3030493
It would make our lands awash in nigs.

>>3030496
Eh, Ned isn't against to buying slaves and letting them pay back to you for the favor provided you don't go full Pentos with that shit and bond them forever with a debt spiral.

Main issue will be that doing so will be extremely costly and anywhere that tends to sell slaves usually doesn't have first men or Andals, which causes cultural conflicts.

If you wanted Andals tho, trying to set up an underground railroad sort of thing to allow bonded servants to escape Pentos is possible, but will earn you enemies amongst the wealthy Pentoshi, although it will certainly endear you to the faith and Andals.

>>3030502
Stark already has spies/antispies.

We lack both - a prime target for Varys and his contemporaries.

>>3031575
Starks don't actually tend to have a spy network. If they did, people wouldn't get away with first night in the North.

They do keep tabs on their vassals to an extent, but Ned does respect privacy of his vassals to a large extent and trusts they don't break their oaths or the King's laws.
Breaking that trust however he does take very seriously.

As to anti spies, just about everyone he has working for him has a known background. This tends to be the standard for how Lords combat spying.

>>3031620
Stark definitely has spies. Might not be in every court and super nosy, but he would be a fool to rule the North blind.

As to loyal men with a known background, yeah, thats ideal. However if we start importing more than a few people that defence goes straight out the window.

>>3031638
Depends on your definition of spies.
He does likely have an information network, which gets him news from each region he rules over, but it's unlikely he actually sends spies to courts themselves unless it's warranted and in such cases it's likely an investigation rather than outright spying.

Starks always exerted surprising little direct control over their vassals which makes sense considering the distances and the nature of Northern culture.

>>3031703
Well, Varys' whole schtick is lots of "informants" everywhere. Same with every other Lord, just some do it better than others.

Also when it's a question between doing the honourable or the smart thing, Starks are prone of choosing the former.

>>3031707
Nah, Varys actually has people eavesdropping in courts, stealing letters and bribing people for information.

Ned is unlikely to do that without a very good reason.

>>3031712
Oh sure, Ned wont snoop our letters. But you can bet your ass at least a couple dudes report to dudes who report to Ned on what we do here.

>>3031709
Fair. Still, hes not dumb or blind about whats happening in his lands, remote as they may be.

>>3031713
if Ned likes us, we should be a bit more safe right ? and our small spynetwork could born without problems.
Are primitive greenhouses
possible ? if i rememer corectly the greater issue for villages and farms of northmens is producing food and heat during winter, that s why they don t have a lot of citys or a greater population.

if we combine primitive greenhouses with >>3030363

the primitive stoves we could help all the North
immensely .

>>3031763
and introduce in their diet new fruits and vegetables

>>3031763
*remember

Also for achieve human flight a hot air balloon is the fastest way ?
we should also give a demonstration of a new type of siege warfare in the near future. We could ask to
Ned after the affair is conclude (and maybe ask for some settlers, and spys protection), if is interested in one of our new ideas.

if he say yes, we could ask him to build a small stone fort/castle near Winterfell and we will give him the demonstration after a year or two (with some cannons and mortars).

at that point we can make a new affair and sell cannons and mortars too, and perhaps tell to him how the new types of castles should be built for stand more this new sieges (at a good price).

and if he wants Jon can stay with us and become a future commander of is modernize armys, instead of going to the wall.

I am still hoping we become not!Prussia eventually.

>>3031784
Yeah but if we're gonna try and pull a Prussia there are a long list of investments we will need to make.

Also I still say that we can easily accept a large number of immigrants, given the current conception of a nation is "a region under a army / person" rather than a unity of religion, race and ideals. So long as we are smart in introducing new populous to the land we should have little issue.

>>3031804
So long as they aren't foreigners, should be fine.

>>3031804
Give me an example of how you would do this. Select who? Put where? Mitigate spy risk how? etc.

If you have a gold plan, sure. Thus far it seems we are better off being conservative, especially considering the high enough crime level as is.

>>3031820
Depends on how you declare foreigners. We are in an empire made of 7 kingdoms each consisting of multiple sub-cultures and different mixes of religion. If you mean they are Westerosi, then that would be easy. If you mean they are northerners, that is harder but still doable. If you mean they are from our region, that could prove near impossible for the amount of manpower we want.

>>3031821
>Give me an example of how you would do this. Select who? Put where? Mitigate spy risk how? etc.
I'd look for young people and married couples. Maybe some orphans depending on the age of them. Obvious places to look are places where famine, overpopulation (e,g population exceeding food supply or work demand) or other such issues would make people willing to move.

I also previously stated I'd send a letter to the Septon who performed our ceremony and ask if he could send any faithful north to help us. Even if all we get is a priest (a personage we are currently lacking) and a few laymen they could be trusted considering what that man thought of us for our behaviour in the war however we might manage to gain a fair number of new people.

I'd probably assign them plots of land to farm as well as funding a limited number of businesses: for example getting all the blacksmiths to agree to share ownership of a far larger and better workshop than anyone of them would have been able to afford alone even with our help by sharing their ownership and essentially forming a forge-company.

Spy risk could be mitigated by keeping our more secretive methods behind lock and guard.

>If you have a gold plan, sure. Thus far it seems we are better off being conservative, especially considering the high enough crime level as is.
I suppose but I would point out the crime level will resolve itself once we have enough of an army to actually patrol our lands as well as through our House rolls. It's less so there is a surplus of criminals in our lands currently, more accurately it is just impossible for us to enforce our law as effectively as we might like.

Fact is I don't see why spies are as big a risk as you make them out to be. Perhaps if they were to learn how to make gunpowder they could be a minor risk but even then it was previously stated by OP that guns aren't going to become a major thing in Westeros even if every major lord had the ability to produce them for at least a war or two. No reason to believe anyone is going to send a spy over something they have such a small interest in investing in. At worst we have a competing seller of gunpowder but I doubt they'd manage to get the funding together to start producing it.

Honestly, if we take in a bunch of people and they start causing problems (outside of the spy business) then we can eliminate them or exile them but I just doubt it will be an issue until we prove gunpowder is anything more than a slightly nifty new weapon.

Right, taking this >>3030028 then.

Give me 4d6 since you're apparently going to do a couple of long shots with the rifle.

Rolled 4, 2, 3, 2 = 11 (4d6)

>>3031867
I gotchu

Rolled 5, 2, 1, 6 = 14 (4d6)

>>3031867

Rolled 3, 6, 2, 2 = 13 (4d6)

>>3031867

>>3031869
>>3031870
>>3031871
Jesus these are some mediocre rolls.

How delightfully mediocre

>>3031875
I mean, we're a pretty good marksman so it's not like it is that bad right?

>>3031877
We won't shoot somebody's eye out, probably.

>>3031879
Yeah I know but seeing as we're meant to be making a good showing of these weapons, I'd rather hope we impress them.

Rolled 5, 3, 3 = 11 (3d6)

>>3031847
Agree on people selection, would add the caveat that we only choose people from the north/our area.

Just a septon wont give us bonuses, need to invest in the holding (5-10G), Seven are at odds with local northern worship (might or might not be a problem), septons can and do lie and anyone without a tie to us is susceptible to bribes, especially southerners.

Farming/living land is nice but no free stuff. Offer them jobs in *our* factory/smithy.

Whats to stop a spy from starting work in a factory and over the course of a year learning the inner details?

Crime level is a bitch to buy off, especially if we import foreigners.

Until we get a better alternative in steam engines, gunpowder will be our ace. Sure, in a decade some will start to put it together but we will want to postpone it as far as possible.

Maybe, but considering people are assholes and out for themselves Id rather be safe than sorry. Besides, we dont need so much Pop right now so going slow is a good option, especially when we havent done much to get the locals to love us.

All-in-all, I agree importing selected individuals is a good idea, especially from our area/trusted sources, but I would put any large scale imports off for at least a few years, since merely getting a steam engine factory going will take years.

>>3031869
oof

>>3031948
double oof

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>How about a Demonstration?
>Mediocre Marksmanship roll

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"How about a little appetizer then before we get to the meat of things? Won't be much trouble to get a couple of guns out so you can have a go at them."
He mulls it over a bit and nods
"Very well, I'll have the men finish up while they set up the archery range."
"I don't suppose you've wooden targets instead of the usual straw ones? It's a lot easier to see what you've hit if there's a battered shield or something we can shoot."
"I'll see it done."
"Oh, and probably wanna warn people not to have horses out of stables when we do this."
He raises his eyebrow and nods before shooing you away.

"Alright lads, looks like we're performing early. Time to open up the goodie basket."

You went to your room and picked up a couple of pistols, a smoothbore musket and of course your rifle from your travel chest.
Naturally the chest was reinforced with steel as it did contain your valuables. You had set it up so that there's a combination lock that opens up the key hole with both the key and the lock being a slightly more modern make than the usual lockboxes to make it a bit more difficult for those who'd try to pick the lock.

Covered in guns and ammo pouches, you swaggered your way back. Yes, you could very well have left this part for your men, but there's a certain extent of enjoyment you do take from having a legitimate excuse to walk around with this much firepower.

"~ ...pretty Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, We love you...~"

As you reached back to the courtyard the men who were previously sparring were now gathered around the archery range, clearly interested in what's going to happen along with some servants.

"Alrighty then Ser Rodrik, oh, pardon me, may I call you Ser Rodrik?"
"Call me as you like Lord Tallon."
"Fantabulous. Now, let's get started small."
You say as you rest your guns and pouches on a nearby table.
"This here's the average service pistol we're using. Splendid sidearm, range is about a stone's throw and accuracy probably something similar, but of course this varies based on the skill and quality of one's weapon."
You stick your hand into a pouch and pull out a lead ball
"Now these are what we'll be shooting. Lead's a nice and hefty metal, so it's gonna smart right and proper when you get these in your gutter, but first..."
you take out the powder horn
"This is the stuff that's gonna be propelling the lead ball across the field."
You stick some into the pan of the pistol, cock and pull the trigger.
"See? Lock makes sparks, ignites the powder and poof! The Fire from the ignition goes to the barrel and makes the powder in the gun go poof. Of course, since it's got only one direction to go... well let's see what happens shall we?"

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You take a premeasured amount of powder and stick it in the barrel.
"Then we stick the ball in there with the wadding, prime the pan and it's ready to fire."
You point towards the shield they set up in the field.
"You may wish to cover your ears, these things are a tad loud."

As you pull the trigger, thunder of the gunfire filled the courtyard, echoing from the stone walls.
"Let's have a lookie at the shield shall we Ser Rodrik?"

You put the pistol on the table go and pick up the shield, raising it high above your head so people can see.
"A Hole's a hole. Is what I call it. Didn't offer much protection. See them splinters on the field?"
Ser Rodrik takes the shield and begins to inspect it personally before putting it back.
"You wanna have a go next?"
He turns to you
"If it please you."
"Well come on then."

You had Lucan walk him through the loading process again before he took his first shot. Then you moved on to the bigger guns.
"Nice, now that you've got the basic gist of the sidearms, let's move to the primary infantry weapon my lads use. Function is essentially the same, but the barrel is longer for more accuracy and power."
"If your weapons can rip apart Ironwood shields, I don't think more power is really necessary."
"Nonsense. What will you do if some punk kids go and strap bunch of plate armor on a grizzly bear? I do not wish to live in a world ruled by invincible bears."
He snorts

"Right, enough tomfoolery, let's do some shooting."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhesYjS4RE
He actually manages to hit a target at 100 yards with his smoothbore after which you pull out your rifle and do a hit from 200 yards with your rifle.
"Well shot."

>Do you wish to tell him it's because of rifling?

>Y: Full disclosure, you can make really accurate guns.
>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.
>Write-in

>>3031991
>>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.
NOOOOOOO

Not telling them we have better shit than what we are selling, otherwise we will need to supply those goddam guns. Simple is better, not like we can make bored rifles en masse anyway. And leave a bit of mystery still.

>>3031970
>Agree on people selection, would add the caveat that we only choose people from the north/our area.
Fair enough.

>A septon wont give us bonuses, need to invest in the holding (5-10G)
See you say that but considering we got the Maesters who now fill courtly positions (Steward (Seneschal), Barrister, Magistrate) without direct monetary investment (I know we traded valuable information but not actual wealth) I disagree with your assessment.

>Seven are at odds with northern worship (might be a problem), septons can and do lie and anyone without a tie to us is susceptible to bribes, especially southerners.
True but given the Septon I want assistance from liked us I believe he would send us good people. As to religious tensions, we are a follower of the Seven, the people are either going to have a problem with us or be able to tolerate us bringing in a few people. Especially if we are seen to not favour either side / bring in northern worshippers.

>Farming land is nice but no free stuff. Offer them jobs in *our* factory/smithy.
'd never made any mention of free stuff. I suppose you might be talking about the investing in businesses thing but I would remind you I specify us being a partial owner which means it would be (partly) our factory. Still just a suggestion.

>Whats to stop a spy from starting work in a factory and over the course of a year learning the inner details?
The fact that we aren't going to have them ever be assembling or manufacturing every single part? I'd assume we are going to introduce the production line. Also the fact that you are massively over calculating the abilities of spies in universe. Given most are flies-on-the-wall sorts rather than saboteurs or assassins.

>Crime level is a bitch to buy off, especially if we import foreigners.
Easier to police our land if we can employ some of those foreigners to strengthen our severely undermanned military.

>Until we get a better alternative in steam engines, gunpowder will be our ace. Sure, in a decade some will start to put it together but we will want to postpone it as far as possible.
And I am telling you that OP has stated even if everyone knew how gunpowder and guns worked, they'd still take years and multiple conflicts for them to really start appearing in any great numbers.

>>3031991
>>Y: Full disclosure, you can make really accurate guns.

>>3032025
>Maybe, but considering people are assholes and out for themselves Id rather be safe than sorry. Besides, we dont need so much Pop right now so going slow is a good option, especially when we haven't done much to get the locals to love us.
I suppose. On the point of the local people I have little idea how to make them love us but to be honest my best suggestion would be getting law enforced and working to improve the region they live in.

>All-in-all, I agree importing selected individuals is a good idea, especially from our area/trusted sources, but I would put any large scale imports off for at least a few years, since merely getting a steam engine factory going will take years.
Eh, I think importing people to establish many small industries to diversify our local economy would be smart. That way our projects will be able to source from local experts and production facilities reducing the risk of others getting to study our tech and also reducing costs, travel time and risk of theft.

Especially because the more people and industries we have, the less dependent we and the north are on the rest of the 7 kingdoms. Which could prove very important given what we know is coming. Also because having a bunch of freemen we can recruit into our guard.


>>3031991
>Write-in
Explain that we can make really accurate guns but that these are far costlier to produce, harder to maintain and the ammo takes more effort to produce. State we'd happily make one for lord stark if he would like one but that we don't think these are feasible for armies.

>>3031847
>Guns aren't going to become a major thing in Westeros even if every major lord had the ability to produce them for at least a war or two.

More to the point, they can't really impliment massive gunpowder armies even if they wanted to. There'd be massive amount of lobbying against it from pre-existing institutions.

The Knights, the Bowyer's, the Crossbow manufacturers, the Armorers, the people who produce the raw materials to support those industries, warhorse breeders and I'm sure a vast amount of other businesses would likely go under if Guns would end up replacing them.

Such an action would cause a massive threat to a great many houses who would likely flip out in face of such a drastic change to the economy as well as social order and few high lords would be willing to deal with the backlash and few lesser lords would have the resources to actually try and acquire and reproduce your recipe.

>>3032061
Yeah societal inertia is a bitch sometimes. Luckily here in the north and in the near future, the lords will want every advantage they can get. Letting us rip them off for every nickel they have.

>>3032066
Yea, in the North people are a lot more far apart from eachother and there's not as strictly set culture of knights as in the south where they're tied to the religion.
Heavy Cavalry do hold similar rank and prestige, but they don't have codes of chivalry about courtly behavior.

Besides, if you do go far enough in the boonies at the North, you can actually start to run into areas where peasants are still utilizing Flint and Bronze tools more commonly than iron and steel due to having so infrequent trade access and little to trade with.

>>3031991
>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.

Let's try and keep at least some of our cards close to our chest.

>>3031991
>>N: Nah senpai. It's pure skill.

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>>3032026
>>3032041
Do bare in mind that we want to keep the best toys for ourselves for obvious reasons.

The Mannis was already asking questions about our more efficient flintlock guns when we gave (or sold, I forget) him some matchlock ones; if we reveal the existence of rifling then people with the power to do so will start applying pressure on us to sell them those, as well.

Once we have percussion caps & bolt-action rifles for ourselves, then we can 'miraculously invent' rifling & sell those more accurate guns to everyone else secure in the knowledge that we still have better guns for our own forces.

>>3032061
the mercenary companys of Essos and citys not governed by nobles in Westeros can be possible customers ? even if minor ones if we confront them with nobles.

>>3032072
>Yea, in the North people are a lot more far apart from each other and there's not as strictly set culture of knights as in the south where they're tied to the religion.
Yep.

>Heavy Cavalry do hold similar rank and prestige, but they don't have codes of chivalry about courtly behavior.
Yep. Plus in our new model army (to make use of a historical name) we still use cavalry, although admittedly of a light shock variant but still. Plus we'll probably have dragoons as well so it's not like cavalry is going to stop being a thing for the rich and powerful to join.

>Besides, if you do go far enough in the boonies at the North, you can actually start to run into areas where peasants are still utilising Flint and Bronze tools more commonly than iron and steel due to having so infrequent trade access and little to trade with.
Yeah which is really weird to me given how long the region has been inhabited and the fact they know it can be done. Though I suppose the occasional winter essentially resetting much of society every so often is a good way to screw up trade.

>>3032091
>Do bare in mind that we want to keep the best toys for ourselves for obvious reasons.
Why though? Fact is we're a relatively minor lord with some very interesting tales surrounding him. We aren't going to be leading armies, at most we'll be put in charge of the gunpowder troops of the realm and even then that'd probably just be for training.

>The Mannis was already asking questions about our more efficient flintlock guns when we gave (or sold, I forget) him some matchlock ones; if we reveal the existence of rifling then people with the power to do so will start applying pressure on us to sell them those, as well.
Unless we make it sound like it's too costly for what it does and the main reason we developed it was curiosity / wanting the best for ourselves. Which in turn allows us to sell them to nobles for a pretty penny.

>Once we have percussion caps & bolt-action rifles for ourselves, then we can 'miraculously invent' rifling & sell those more accurate guns to everyone else secure in the knowledge that we still have better guns for our own forces.
Mate we ain't getting anything near that level of technology any time soon.

I am curious about whether we can do some economic reform in our land.
I am not sure about how westeros economy work though, what kind of Taxes system do we use? Do merchants have to pay a toll to go through our territory?
Now is the best time to decide what our economy will look like, since we don’t have many people.

>>3032124
>I am not sure about how westeros economy work though, what kind of Taxes system do we use?
Traditional feudal taxation I'd suppose. Given the small governments (in terms of admin staff) of Westeros, it's doubtful our taxation is accurate or particularly complex.

Do merchants have to pay a toll to go through our territory?
Nope. Although that is something we can construct in our territory along roads and rivers.

>>3032128
We should only set that up when there is somthing they want to buy here. Otherwise they will just avoid the land.

>>3032133
>>3032128
>>3032124
My question is, if we will derive most of our income through guns, would the introduction of a sales tax and the elimination of Goingthroughourland tax be reasonable? The goal being to draw more people to us while not losing out on too much tax revenue.

>>3032128
Well that’s good, and bad, if people had the habit of making merchant pay tax we could have waived it to get some merchant trafic through our land, ah well.
What exactly was the traditional feudal taxation? Was it a fixed taxes?

>>3032139
Yeah it was a fixed tax/we take what we want. As it's kinda hard to do complex tax laws without a computer and a profession around it.

>>3032137
How do we enforce a sales tax without recites and computers, it seems difficult and too complex a system would be rife with corruption.

>>3032142
How about we greatly reduce farming taxes and concentrate on transaction taxes? That would make it easier to keep track off as basically every transaction happen within he city, if we reduce farming taxes our farmer will have more money to buy things, which in turn will attract merchant, who in turn will buy our stuff, while also feeding our industry.
If we make a working crop rotation system for our farmers it would get even better...

>>3032133
Eh, somewhat true but I'd point out that the thing never causes an issue according to the system. Still, it's benefits aren't actually that useful compared to some of the other things we could possibly develop in our lands.

>>3032137
>sales tax
Oh sweet jesus that'd be a bad idea. That ends with books being cooked or us needing lots of tax staff.

>The goal being to draw more people to us while not losing out on too much tax revenue.
Alternatively we offer half-taxes for all newcomers for two years. It's a major loss of income but the benefits of additional trade through our land could possibly counter it. Also the fact that we need population for the gunpowder industry, which is where we plan on making money rather than taxes, renders this more effective.

>>3032139
>What exactly was the traditional feudal taxation?
Complicated: essentially a farmer (assuming they were a serf) would owe a set percentage of their crops to their lord which was a mixture of taxation and rent for the land they worked on which belonged to the lord (something to consider taking advantage of). If they were a free-man farmer however, things get complicated. Chances are they'd still pay taxes albeit at a lower rate however they'd be expected to train as a archer or spearman to form a warband for the local lord using their own money.

Merchants enter a weird position. Mostly because trade in feudal times is complicated and rare: some cities would merely charge a flat tax for entry and right to sell; others would use charters and regulate who could sell what in return for different taxes. Overall tax systems are simple, robust yet imprecise: a result of a lack of officials to maintain a more complex system and a lack of data to inform them on the earnings of people to create a more accurate system. At best we're looking at Byzantine systems of taxation but even they were hugely inaccurate at times.

>Was it a fixed taxes?
Chances are yes. Fixed taxes are easy yet inaccurate and insensitive to the economies woes and successes.

>>3032161
I like the half taxes idea a lot, why not go for quarter taxes as we only would be losing income we already dont have so regardless more people is a net gain. We will need to develop farming techniques for the land now though to support the population.

>>3032168
Eh, half-tax rolls off the tongue easier but still.

>>3032170
Eighth tax

>>3032173
twelfth tax.

>>3032174
16th tax

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>>3032160
Farming on our scale is trivial, moreover the people that will someday be the middle class are the citydwelling factory workers, not the farmers, since we will be dumping lots of coin into industry.

>>3032161
Fair enough, even at our level the sales tax will probably be hard to enforce, especially since its done nowhere else (is it?). Flat tax it is. Have a converter for your troubles.

>>3032175
32nd tax.

>>3032180
Nah, it's fine. I honestly enjoy this side of things. I've always found the running of nations and the planning of grand projects fun.

>>3032186
Ditto, though I enjoy the industry aspect more than fuffing about with decrees.

>>3032186
Sixtyfourth tax

The peasants will be very confused when a decree goes out saying any new arrivals are paying 512th tax.

>>3032187
Eh, industry is a bit frustrating because of our limitations. So much potential yet so little possibility.

>>3032193
>Sixtyfourth tax
128th tax.

>The peasants will be very confused when a decree goes out saying any new arrivals are paying 512th tax.
Past a certain point we should just start giving them in powers of 2. Also 4096th tax is clearly superior.

>>3032199
Why we need to focus on getting proper three-stage steam engines out ASAP.

>>3032199
When it comes to nation building I feel like we are doing it far to soon. We should be trying to get our stats up first, I'm not sure what post life gains we really are getting out of this. We really should have just spend the 60 as a master prototyping everything we will need for the future ahead of time.

256th tax

>>3032210
Thats where steam comes in. Also getting a Dreadnought is nice.

>>3032207
I was more so meaning our limitations in terms of lacking a body of experienced craftsmen to make shit, money to fund shit and connections to get shit done.

>>3032210
>When it comes to nation building I feel like we are doing it far to soon.
I somewhat agree but on the other hand I see no reason not to have a go at it given this has worked out well thus far. Fact is being a lord means we have far more connections and power than a mere Maester providing us with the opportunity to try shit that we otherwise couldn't.

For example, I'd suggest we should do far less designing this time round and instead burn through some wealth prototyping whatever we make.

>>3032241
Consider the fact that in the scale of running a demense, prototyping a small copper steam engine costs fuck-all but time on our part so until we go large-scale there will be no cost outside tools (lathe etc.) but those are needed for a workshop anyway.

>>3032251
True. Plus we could sell the steam engine prototype as a curiosity to the Maesters, given the chances of them actually spreading knowledge of it and shit is very low.

>>3032259
Rather not. While it is true they would probably take years if not decades to replicate it, giving them a head start with a fully-functional prototype is not wise.

>>3032180
>>3032180
but there is literally no farming in our lands, and a remind that the lands we have are still vast.

not in the North but a minor lord of the south will reach the moon for control the size we have.


so a bit of investments there could really help our land and grow our native population especially if we want to support an industry that as the possibility of produce weapons for the armys of 2 high lords : not one, two !


still with just some small investments (and try new researchs maybe a primitive green houses for avoid during winter that they don t produce food or they start to die and asking Ned for some northmen settlers, agriculture could be fine.


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industry (and researching) is the priority but we need to give it a solid base, rely too much on trade and avoid completly agriculture could be an error.
>>3032234
what about hot air balloons ?

also think of cannons and mortars.

>>3032262
True but imagine how much money we could get. Hell I'd sell it to the Manderly's or Starks or even directly to the king if I thought they'd be as interested and able to pay.

>>3032263
>ut there is literally no farming in our lands, and a remind that the lands we have are still vast.
Actually no. The system of holdings is that there may well be farms in our lands currently, they just don't produce a large enough surplus to really matter.

Still waiting for us to make that goddamn distillery

>>3032180
Might no be totally true, do remember that food is probably more expensive, and important than it was in medieval europe because of the fuck you all winter, if we can get a rich class of farmer to spend their money on produced goods it would definitely help kickstart our industry
Farming on our scale might be pretty trivial, but then again, our territory is pretty trivial too. We got lot of land, and while we might be industrializing, we are literally the only place doing it at the moment.

>>3032263
There is enough farming to sustain our pop but not enough to turn us a profit. Besides, take into account that mechanical limitations of the system (1 "building" per plot of land +Pop upgrades) abd we are running out of space fast. As to winter food, why not just make an icebreaker and a trawler fleet? So much fish we need a cannery to use it all, which, coincidentally, is also a great idea. Far more practical and novel than farms or inefficient greenhouses.

Hot air balloons are pretty shite, better try to get a simple blimp going (airplane motors help a lot with efficiency here), cannons and mortars need steam engines to really take off (bore a cannon in 30 minutes, make a breech loader in a day etc.).

So still, full power to steam.

>>3032272
So if we are the only ones industrializing, why bother doing anything but playing to our strenght?

>>3032270
Maybe, MAYBE to Ned, but if we ever sell it down south you bet your ass people will have it looked at. Unless its a phenominally shitty engine with most of the useful parts missing (why would we ever build it then) there is no point. Besides, wont actually cost that much until we have proven the tech in our workshops years down the line, so moot point I think.

>>3032274
That's a very good idea mass fishing! Their waters are probably gold mines considering we haven't destroyed the ecosystems yet.

>>3032291
Keep in mind a trawler can get much deeper than a "regular" fishing boat, meaning untapped resources.

>>3032300
Soo much fish it will be amazing

>>3032288
Eh, I think your overestimating how much importance people would place on it. Most would see it as a neat little machine or a strange purchase. It'd take someone with mechanical knowhow to actually consider the benefits of it.

Plus the benefit of continuing to be the famous mad inventor is nice.

>>3032291
Oh god we could trawl these waters. Not to mention that this far north there should be whelks, clams and other molluscs along with crabs, lobsters and shrimp.

Fuck it, who needs plants we will live on fish.

>>3032270
>>3032274
Ok.


>>3032274
But for medieval armys they are still pretty good and untouchable up there, and you can communicate with some glass for give info.

And for our character it could lead to think of something bigger and trying a blimp next time.

Same with cannons and mortars.


>So still, full power to steam.

I agree (since it could lead to many other creations or improve drastically past ones), it s the most important technology we could have.

But if we have spare time making cannons and mortars it s not a bad idea.


>As to winter food, why not just make an icebreaker and a trawler fleet? So much fish we need a cannery to use it all, which, coincidentally, is also a great idea. Far more practical and novel than farms or inefficient greenhouses.


For our situation your idea is more than perfect. We can grow our native population with the sea instead of the land, and grow a lot.
But selling or giving greenhouse and stoves >>3030363 in the rest of the North could be a thing to do after steam tech . (It could improve relations with the Starks and North nobles and our reputation with the northmens).

>>3032352
Balloons are very stationary and if we are already pursuing heavier than air flight might as well just jump to blimps since our MC knows the principle anyway. As to cannons etc. we can make them far more easily with powered machines to bore precisely. A breechloader is easier to make by machine then by hand, after all. Same with explosive shells etc.

Before we try and make any big thing with a lot of steel in it, let’s not forget that we not only need to upgrade our steel production method... but also our mining method, otherwise we are going to choke on the absolutely ridiculous price.

>>3032361
then all the efforts to steam power.


seriously the idea of the cannery, icebreaker and a trawler fleet is perfect for us.


this makes me think of navigation tools ... do we already have a compass ?

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>>3032369
You gave one to Stannis and one Davos just before the war.
"GG Well played with the onions. Here, have a device that tells you which way is North regardless of clouds, rain or fog. It's totally not magic btw, you can believe me, I'm someone you can trust."

>>3032368
I present to you: the humble steam engine! Able to pump water and air out and into mines, pump heated air into blast furnaces and converters and power all manner of machinery to do the heavy lifting. Simply brilliants.

>>3032369
We have compasses. Plus navigation is not that big of an issue in the Bite.

>>3032382
"It only explodes occasionally!"

>>3032388
"Goddammit Gregory! I told you not to let the water level get too low. And no, "my fingers are freezing off" is no excuse to waste valuable energy on heating instead of making guns. Have to put you back in the Coal Mines of Public Decency Education again."

>>3032396
Oh god you made me realise something: when the winter comes we can use our steam tech to create a heated underground city ala a more realistic frostpunk.

>>3032401
Just build giants steam heat generators right outside the wall, we will melt the white walkers.

>>3032401
"Sir Tallon, I cant help but notice that your city has been empty for some time now. Has a disaster befallen you that I am not aware of?"
"Nope. Just moved all my people into my new underground factory bunkers. Keeps them warm and I can make more guns that way as well - less distance on minerals, you understand.."

>>3032407
Let's just take over the underground of the world like skaven.

>>3032380
that s cool
>>3032382
but what about the ocean ? we could produce so much fish, that we could monopolize it in the North.

and our native population will have a cheap secure product to buy, and that means more growth.
besides with the power of steam we can start making whalers and hunt whales and that means we can get their oil.

>>3032405
A question which occurs to me, how efficient is wildfire as a fuel? It's said to melt steel reliably so must burn pretty god damn hot so we could use that and really get some work out of a engine.

Also in regards to the white walkers, grind dragon glass into a powder and mix it into the lead for our musket, cannon and blunderbuss shot. It'll shred the bastards and sound cool as shit. Literal dragon rounds. Plus, we could easily make some simple hand grenades / land mines to deal with them.


>>3032407
>"Nope. Just moved all my people into my new underground factory bunkers. Keeps them warm and I can make more guns that way as well - less distance on minerals, you understand.."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eeOPm2j-t4

Welcome to Powder-Lord Tallon's war city, the only city left in the north after the wall fell because no one listened to the one guy with a good plan.

>>3032426
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ETmN8v_yu8I

Die Heretic!

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>>3032488
Nono me to weak to betray.

>>3032442
Wildfire might be a good material for welding steel pieces but there a reason coal is not used in a copper oven. As to dragonglass, the funny thing is that guns have Penetration 10 and with whitewalkers having armor 7 or so the bullets are effective even against them. Literal cureall.

>>3032491
"All tunnels lead to Undertown"

>>3032519
>As to dragonglass, the funny thing is that guns have Penetration 10 and with whitewalkers having armor 7 or so the bullets are effective even against them. Literal cureall.
"So how did you defeat the whitewalkers lord Tallon? Some masterful sorcery?"
"Fuck no, we just shot the bastards and they died like regular men."

>>3032527
"Well we thought not much could survive being turned into a fine paste. And as it turned out undead monsters follow those same rules.

I am more worried about the Ice zombies, bullet won’t do much to them...
Steampunk flamethrower when?

>>3032558
>Steampunk flamethrower when?
Oh christ no. Historically flamethrowers are the most insanely dangerous thing ever, primarily for their users.

>>3032562
Yeah, well, ice zombie apocalypse call for a bit of risk taking :P
Unless you have a better idea to deal with the zombies?

>>3032562
Wild fire throwers.

>>3032581
>Unless you have a better idea to deal with the zombies?
Dragon glass shards / powder in all of our gunpowder projectiles along with some explosive charges / grenades.

>>3032590
Could we not. That's one of the most dangerous possible combination of weapons and materials ever.

>>3032562
>>3032581
>>3032590
No no. Flammenwerfer is actually a pretty safe weapon. The danger comes from every fucker and their mother on the opposing side targeting you as soon as you come strolling. As to wildfire-werfers, hell no. It might just decide to asplode as soon as you look at the canister in the truck the wrong way. NOT a reliable weapon.

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>>3032595
Comon guys warpfire.. I I mean wildfire throwers are perfectly safe machines with no chance of horribly maiming the user. Not at all.

>>3032618
"The reported death rates are Fake News. There has never been.. *BOOM*.... If you join me over here we can look at our latest steam engine assembly lines. Come on, hurry along now, thats it, inside the bunker we go."

>>3032581
what about an acid launcher ? Or we can just prepare a lot of artillery and reduce in ash the undead.


>>3032595
>Dragon glass shards / powder in all of our gunpowder projectiles along with some explosive charges / grenades.

and this too, we just need access to it or a reliable merchant that can give it to us.

also is possible to take smiths that know how to make valyrian steel ? or their cost is prohibitive ?
but before all of this we should search some similar people to us. Inventors are probably rare, mad, illiterate and unreliable but they could help a lot in our researches.

if we find them.

>>3032664
Nobody know how to make valyrian steel, some smiths know how to rework it though.

>>3032558
We could build a bunch of Liven's flame projectors under The Wall: - https://youtu.be/Q3Y-_zt4Qe8

How they work is fun: You build it underground, then, when the time comes to deploy it, the nozzle pops up through the ground like one of the loudspeakers in Teletubbies & disgorges a three hundred foot burst of flame. the operator remains underground & directs the nozzle via periscope.

>>3032664
>smiths that know how to make valyrian steel

This anon >>3032701
is correct; there is currently no-one who can make Valyrian steel: I think it needed magic to create? In any case the only remaining Valyrian steel items are left over from the actual Valyrians (although it can be re-worked with the right know-hoe & equipment).

Wow; this thread's pretty quite right now, huh?

>>3032664
Nobody actually knows how to make Valyrian steel anymore, but Valyrians had one of the most cartoonishly evil Empire in their day as they practiced in slavery, torture, human sacrifice, mind control, social engineering, atheism and recreational marijuana.

Considering that these are people who modeled their entire society based on a metal album cover, it's safe to assume lot of Valyrian artifacts were probably made with some pretty edgy shit.

>>3032664
Only inventors ever mentioned in ASOIAF are Tyroshi who make torture devices and Intricate helmets in shape of birds chased with precious metals.

Basically if you want to make an Orphan Stomper, that's where you wanna go.

>>3033382
Question, how easily could we create some simple parlour / magic tricks and how impressive would these be to others?

Considering our whole mad inventor / magician vibe, we might as well play into it and try to use it to impress others / get money. After all if we become famous enough we could ply the trade at the king's court for money and prestige. If nothing else it's a nice thing to have to make us seem powerful and mysterious, would also be useful for future lives as a way to make money.

>>3033539
We just made fireworks. Thats an actual product vs shitty smoke and mirrors. No point doing petty tricks while steam engines are both marvellous and astoundingly useful.

>>3033556
I suppose but fireworks are fairly expensive and are a single trick that might people can lose interest. Plus I don't think we can easily transport a steam engine to every party we go to.

>>3033560
And why would we need to? The fact we can magic 100x the goods in half the time and with a thousanth of the workers speaks for itself.

Also, gunpowder is cheap and fireworks will not wear off any time soon. Still havent IRL.

>>3033562
>And why would we need to?
Because few people are going to invite the guy who is famous for inventing a more complicated replacement for a waterwheel even if he is producing lots more with it. Compared to the guy who does cool magic tricks.

>The fact we can magic 100x the goods in half the time and with a thousandth of the workers speaks for itself.
I think you are seriously overestimating the capacity of the industry we are going to be creating anytime soon.

>Also, gunpowder is cheap
We are the sole producer of gunpowder in the world. Every firework is a reduction in the profits of our business elsewhere which means they must be priced to an equal degree as the amount of powder they consume.

> fireworks will not wear off any time soon. Still haven't IRL.
When I say that people could lose interest, compared to magic tricks which remain impressive because they are seemingly magic, colourful explosions are only entertaining for so long.

>>3033539
I thought the point of going to North was to avoid the King's Court?

>>3033585
I thought we went north because we were offered landed titles here.

>>3033571
it could really backfire and we appear as a stupid fool everytime we go in a court. Doesn t sound so good, maybe with some kids or some very naive nobles.


it would be better to interest ourself in the fine arts (or in other matters of the nobility) : learn to use a musical instrument, poetry, sculpting or painting.

or we can just invite artists in our court and make it more modern, becoming a patron of the arts.
anyway it sound too risky to involve yourselfs with the courts now

>>3033587
>it could really backfire and we appear as a stupid fool everytime we go in a court. Doesn t sound so good, maybe with some kids or some very naive nobles.
I suppose but if that were the case then fireworks aren't going to do much either. I'll admit they'll be a nice source of money if we can get someone to use them at a major festival or celebration to get the word out.

>it would be better to interest ourself in the fine arts (or in other matters of the nobility) : learn to use a musical instrument, poetry, sculpting or painting.
Yeah but that takes a lot more time to get good at. Admittedly with sculpting, painting and other such things we luckily have relevant skills like stone-working for sculpting, architectural drawing / design for art and so on however we are more so educated in a purely practical rather than artistic manner.

>or we can just invite artists in our court and make it more modern, becoming a patron of the arts.
That'd cost a lot of money but it would work as a way to become slightly more famous / influential.

>anyway it sound too risky to involve yourselfs with the courts now
Hey, reward is only found where risk is. Imagine if we could get a stipend from lord stark, the Manderly's or the king to appear at parties when asked and perform some tricks to entertain guests: we get invited to parties, get payed to show up and get to show off.

>>3033592
True. Anyway it could backfire. It can be even a success.
They could become hobbys to practice in our free time , if we have any.

>>3033585
>>3033586
Yes and Yes.

>>3033592
>>3033587
Why the fuck would we approach this through parlor tricks at kids birthday parties? If we need something, we can make a concrete offer (as we are doing now). Attending every lordlings feast in an effort to get pocket change is dumb as hell and beyond a bad time investment. Focus on steam engines and build an airplane. I guarantee you this one move will impress far more and far further than any shitty sleight of hand.

>>3033618
i prefer the steam power and the airplane.
plus cannons and mortars, and i dig a lot the icebreaker and the trawler fleet + cannery.
i did say this could work with probably just them (kids/naive nobles) if we do magic tricks on a court. Not that we are going to do it.

Thinking about it not even what i have say (learn music ecc...), it s really not that useful for have more contracts for selling weapons. Perhaps impress ladys but it ends there, we need to concentrate on research, selling/producing more weapons, expanding our industry and have a better administration of our lands (more taxes, pop growth, production ecc...).

and getting more customers (; to add to that maybe try to have as friends Ned and Stannis.

And in general more knowledge + a girl (decent,fertile, near lands, wealth and a good alliance.).

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>N

Probably better keep knowledge of rifling, minie balls and all that a secret for the time being. Better not show all the cards you have in your hand.

"Cheers Rod"
The Stout Northman lifts his eyebrow
"Rod?"
"We've gone shooting together now. That means we're friends for life. I don't make the rules, but that's how the world works I'm afraid."

As you pat the stiff and large man in the back in an overly familiar manner, you hear a voice behind you.
"Are you fun with our guest Ser Roderik?"

It seems Lord Stark had started spectating without you noticing.
"My Lord."
Ser Rodrik replies awkwardly as you both bow to him.

"I did not expect you to arrive personally Lord Tallon. Last time you left in quite a hurry."
"Yes, I felt that leaving the smallfolk without a council to see to their needs whilst I feasted with the high society would leave a bad taste in their mouths."
"I take your presence as a sign that the problem is dealt with."
"It is, but sadly the level of competence from the candidates who came forth was not up to my standards, so I instead just filled every position with Maesters."
He looks taken aback by that
"I'm surprised the Citadel agreed to that. It must have cost you a fortune."
"No, it was a different sort of arrangement. I made a new type of metal and had a friend in the conclave show them exactly how much they needed that metal over the span of some years."
"A New type of metal?"
"The Matter itself is rather confidential, so if it's all the same to you, I'll give you the details on that matter private."
"I shall respect your discetion on this matter. However, I'd appreciate if you return refrained from making such a racket in my courtyard whilst I am working."

"Ah. Damn. Sorry, I didn't think about that. I was a bit too eager to teach your Master-at-Arms how these guns worked."
"There will be time for that later. I take it these are the men I asked for?"
"Yes my Lord, they're still freshly raised and they've much training to do until they're at the level I want them at, but my Outriders are the first unit of Black Powder Cavalry in Westeros. We did also bring a variety of other types of weapons for you to try out, should it please you and of course, I will gladly answer any questions you have on the subject."

He nods
"Very good. My servants will see to it that they're well fed and rested before they're taken to the hunt."
"The Hunt?"
"With the Summer, bears have become more active again in the Wolfswood. It's tradition here in the North to cull the predators at least once a year."

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"Ah, from a practical standpoint I do see now why you asked for my men. Killing bears is likely quite an ordeal without guns."
"Have you bears in Reach as well Lord Tallon?"
"Hmm... I'm not sure if they're domestic. There's not much wilderness for them to live in as most all land and forests in there is cultivated. I reckon there's some in the more Northern parts, but they might just be stragglers from Westerlands and Kingswood."
"Would you like to join the hunt personally as well?"

>Go hunting for Bears later with your men?

>No "I'd rather not steal my men their opportunity to prove themselves."
>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033701
If Ned is going,. I vote we go with.

>>3033701
Write-in is also an option

>>3033701
>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033701
>>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033701
>>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033701
>>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033701
>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."
>Gotta keep the bears out of the smithies before they get full plate.

>>3033701
Gotta keep the bears out of the smithies before they get full plate.

>>3033701
>>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033613
>They could become hobbys to practice in our free time , if we have any.
Oh we will almost certainly have free time. Fact is our estate is self-running between the local mayor and our council which means all we can do is study, train and design. We will run out of things to do sometime in the next few years given every research we do is a reduction in the stuff we need to figure out elsewhere given we can make our factories / machines share parts.

>>3033618
>Why the fuck would we approach this through parlor tricks at kids birthday parties? Attending every lordlings feast in an effort to get pocket change is dumb as hell and beyond a bad time investment.
I never said every lordling. In fact I specified individual lords who are all above us in the chain of command and significantly richer / more powerful than us meaning they could compensate us well for our service and you are really underestimating the amount of money we are talking about here given we'd be quite possibly the only performer with any of our tricks which means we could charge quite a high rate. I specified parlor / simple magic tricks because they'll be quick to develop yet still flashy enough to be impressive.

>I guarantee you this one move will impress far more and far further than any shitty sleight of hand.
True but we need to achieve it first and that is the hard part.


>>3033701
>Yes "Sure, why not. Might be a good way to meet new people in Wolfswood."

>>3033802
>Oh we will almost certainly have free time.
Literal lolno. Consider the fact we have to invent the tools to make the machines to make the tools to make serious engines, build said engines en masse and train enough peons to run everything in 10 measily years. Not to mention design everything we want to use the steam engines ourselves. ALL in under 9 years. We will literally have no free time and wasting it on petty magic tricks is stupid as hell.

>flashy enough to be impressive
Maybe to the lords niece. And then what? The Lord will just give us massive money just because we showed him some lights? Come on man.

>True but we need to achieve it first and that is the hard part.

Hence why we need to focus on steam engines man, not trying to be a shitty copperfield.

>>3033831
> Consider the fact we have to invent the tools to make the machines to make the tools to make serious engines, build said engines en masse and train enough peons to run everything in 10 measly years. Not to mention design everything we want to use the steam engines ourselves. ALL in under 9 years. We will literally have no free time and wasting it on petty magic tricks is stupid as hell.
I'd point out that many industrial processes share similar if not exactly the same machines. Meaning that with the development of a few choice items we can automate many different processes.

I'd also point out that our primary limiter is going to be, as you say, producing machines. Chances are our drawings and prototypes will exceed our capacity to produce greatly. Meaning that we will have freetime because spending yet more time designing yet more machines when we can't even consider constructing them until the last two sets of developments assuming we would even have the funding left to employ more craftsmen to make machines are done is somewhat a waste of time compared to developing our skills in, for example, swordsmanship or in more learned studies which might improve our ability to design.

I'd expect us to spend perhaps the first two, maybe three, years designing and prototyping. That should result in a large enough base of industrial knowledge that excluding particularly tricky industries (e,g glassmaking) most things can be reliably automated from existing designs. Then I'd expect us to primarily focus on optimising our designs and even then there is only so much that can be done with our limited resources and with the skill of our craftsmen.

>Maybe to the lords niece. The Lord will just give us massive money just because we showed him some lights? Come on man.
I think you are underestimating the simplicity of entertainment in this era and the novelty of what we could develop. Take the fairly standard "appearing rose" trick. We just pretend it's alchemy and suddenly it's a god damn miracle, even without that they'd still be amazed.

>Hence why we need to focus on steam engines man, not trying to be a shitty copperfield.
Eh, I suppose but to be honest I somewhat expect us to fail in achieving much this life given how much we need to achieve with so little in such a short period of time. I'm more bothered on picking up every skill and reading every book we can, even shitty magic tricks.

>>3033860
>I think you are underestimating the simplicity of entertainment in this era and the novelty of what we could develop. Take the fairly standard "appearing rose" trick. We just pretend it's alchemy and suddenly it's a god damn miracle, even without that they'd still be amazed.

Street performers do exist in the cities.
You actually had a dude who climbed a ladder made of flames and then vanished with poof of smoke in the books.

Concept of sleight of hand and illusions isn't as unknown as you think it is save with the uneducated masses.

>>3033885
>You actually had a dude who climbed a ladder made of flames and then vanished with poof of smoke in the books.
That specific incident happened post-dragons and is generally used to show that magic is returning. As a character highlights that mere months prior the man who did it could barely get a flame out of dragon glass. I discovered it when I researched the magic of this world specifically for this quest given it could prove important.

>Concept of sleight of hand and illusions isn't as unknown as you think it is save with the uneducated masses.
I suppose but we have our reputation as a mysterious man to help and our knowledge of how to spice things up with a liberal application of flash powder, modern showmanship and even a bit of "genuine" alchemy.


Still, it was just an idea. Something I threw out there because honestly I hate a quest sitting silent between OP's posts.

Fuck yes, caught up. Good quest.

>>3033921
Welcome anon, any suggestions for the group?

>>3033915
I would rather we use that time to study even more alchemy, pr get up our factorio going.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DR01YdFtWFI

>>3033929
Well I always wondered why we never got around to checking out the church of starry wisdom. Maybe we could have looked into it back when we were running around as a merchant escort or even before, at the citadel. Although with magic not back yet it probably wouldn't lead to much.

Also, we really shouldn't rush into marriage. If things go well we'll be able to marry into a much higher tier. It's a big move, we shouldn't just blow o̶u̶r̶ ̶l̶̶̶o̶̶̶a̶̶̶d a political move like that so soon.

>>3033915
>>3033921

Parlor tricks bad, engineering good.

>>3033930
Absolutely right.

>>3033935
Same to you. Getting married 'just because' is one of the worst moves we could make. So much to gain, especially down the line if we play it smart.