>>3011400
For House and Dominion! Burn it all to the ground!

>>3011405
I was working on an animated gif that flickered to a burning city but couldn't get the timing to work so it didn't look seizure inducing.

>>3011400
>Reading through the archives, this seems cool
>7 years of backlog
I'll... make it to live threads eventually, anons.

>>3011400
FOR HOUSE AND DOMINION

DUKE REYNARD EDITION

>>3011412
There should be a summary in the 1st /qst/ thread.

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>For House & Dominion: What a headache

>>3011408
300ms for an establishing shot, 100ms for a brief flicker, 200ms for a easily noticeable change.

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>>3011408

It's an old one.

>>3011412
It's worth the read, but don't as >>3011414 says that's as good as any summary.

>>3011412
>>3011425
I can't engrish, it's a good read, but you can read the summary for the first /qst/ and get a good summary to catch up on stuff.

Dreminth and Torun are now under the control of the supposedly civilian backed coup leaders. Loran may be facing similar problems as many of the troops loyal to the Harmen family helped evacuate the nearly completed heavy carrier from the orbital yards. The Rebels now lack any heavy warships, though it may have cost the old guard their hold on a core world.

The coup forces have proclaimed themselves the Jerik-Dremine Emergency Council. They've been quick to announce support for elected for positions like that of planetary governor and new representatives to a House Council. The old Dremine council has largely been arrested except for one member who escaped off planet. Work is already underway to have civilians and legal experts hold elections on Dreminth in a matter of days.

More vocal leaders are making sure to play to the crowds, going on about accountability and government transparency. Chief among them seems to be Keegan Fox who your advisors are quickly beginning to accuse of demagoguery.

Lastly, and possibly worst of all, Count Gernot Sigurd Jerik is dead.

Many of the reformers seem unhappy about this, at least outwardly, and are painting his death as a tragic result of refusing to surrender. Governor Veos on the other hand has been taken alive, as have others.

The longer the rebels remain in control of the capital the stronger their grip on it becomes. Already nobles are making agreements with the Emergency Council to safeguard their holdings and family members. The army continues to hold a number of officer candidate schools where children of prominent nobles were present. Your advisors fully expect they're being used as hostages as well as potentially being indoctrinated to the rebel's side.

Having heard from Knight Sylvan you do know that a number of training units and bases have fallen to the Rebels. Combined with their assault corvette and engine production they potentially have the basics for a dangerous fleet in the making.

Alex has just returned from fleet exercises in allied space and is preparing his fleet for combat. Much of his ground forces are still half a day out from Alaior. His system looks like it's becoming the main rally point for forces fleeing the homeworlds. Ships from Saputo's Torun fleet are headed there, along with RSS forces and the Heavy carrier from Loran.

In theory Alex could launch an attack on the capital in a matter of days, potentially before the election is supposed to be held. Your fleet will be prepared for launch in a few more hours, followed by a 10 day flight to reach the homeworlds. Without external support or time taken to pause and refuel that's nearing the edge of the Rioja fleet's effective range.

>>3011531
Last thread it was mentioned that one of our problems was that all house communcations are routed through the worlds held by the rebels, which makes coordinating with the other barons difficult. I know Ber'helum tries to stay out of internal squabbles like this one but would they allow us to use their communications infrastructure while the coup is going on? Their embassies must be on a separate network.

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All rebels will burn!

The Rebels clearly aren't thrilled about the idea of taking on your fleet unless they have to. Their coup may not have been bloodless but most of people who have died so far were killed in a few starship engagements. Torun, Loran, the training base, and at the outer colony border post. These have all been small engagements with less than a dozen ships crippled or destroyed in each one.

Matyáš Fox -your old nemesis- is on the list of people his son Keegan want arrested and probably executed. At last contact he was still in rebel territory keeping some of their warships tied up chasing him. That bought enough time for the loyal elements of the Torun fleet to escape. If one medium cruiser and a decent commander can cause them that much trouble, they really dont want to tangle with your dozen mediums.

You've spoken briefly with Latha Dun'eth, one of the Emergency Council leaders.

"The homeworlds are moving towards a partially democratic or at least constitutional system of governance. We have no interest in meddling with the affairs of your world. It works for what you have. Barons Winifred and Rna have systems tailored specifically to their worlds because it's what their populace wanted, or agreed to."

The Emergency Council wishes to know what will it take to convince you to either back the reforms or not oppose them. The would certainly be open to negotiating the organisation of the House as a whole, especially the addition of a new council or councils.

>>3011559
It would probably be possible.

As pointed out last time the Ruling House may also be able to provide neutral ground for negotiations if you wanted to go that route.

This would seem like a good point to bring the Emperor or at least their ambassador up to speed. What did you want to tell them?

>>3011646
>This would seem like a good point to bring the Emperor or at least their ambassador up to speed. What did you want to tell them?

Tell them how it is. A group of opportunistic cunts of younger knights decided to stage a coup. Have imprisoned or killed all the prior leadership of our house and making claims that they wish for peace. And it is becoming very tempting to burn everything these fuckers ever loved to the ground and mount their heads on pikes as warning to the next generation of knights who think staging a coup and decapitating established leadership to implant their own is a good idea. Without first getting all the Barons behind them first.

Or in more polite terms. Shit has hit the fan and heads of those responsible are going to be rolling soon.

Wait that isn't polite at all. Have Fadila inform them of whats happened and an excerpt from us that 'Someone is going to pay for the death of the Count'.

>>3011646

If they want us to not trouble them. Then they better request from the RH to mediate over their temporary ruling. To make sure no drastic changes are made that would endanger the stability of the house until a TRUE Council can be selected and a new Head of House chosen by ALL emphasis on ALL the Barons of J-D.

And if they want our support they should release the council members they arrested into our control. If they really want an exchange of power and not a constant struggle for power with a coup happening every time the house deploys its forces. We've shown to be hard on corruption, on our own world. They have shown they are willing to commit a coup if they see corruption. Which is more appealing? Someone who deals with corruption within the bounds of the law? Or someone who stages a coup and is willing to endanger innocent people?

>>3011646
>Ber'helum
I'd suggest giving them a complete and honest report. The Earl has most likely been killed by the rebels (although that might have been a ruse as our house has acces to limited cloning facilities it shouldn't have but Ber'helum doesn't need to know about that), the established government has broken down on at least two of our core planets but so far things have remained mostly peaceful. No large scale engagements have occured, although it seems like several senior officers might have been killed when they refused to surrender to the rebels.

>council
I'd say let them wait. They've made their move, and we won't make any demands or agree to anything without taking sufficient time to think things through. If they don't want to make things worse, recommend they better avoid any further "accidental" deaths.

>>3011531
>Dangerous fleet in the making
They'd also have an incredibly inexperienced fleet by j-d standards.

>>3011646
Has the baron who was in a meeting with the local nobles when sonia tried to contact him called back yet?

>>3011709
It would not surprise me if these revolutionaries were trying to either bribe or threaten them into supporting them and giving control of their fleets to them.

>>3011674
>>3011704
When you contact the Ruling House you give them an honest breakdown of the situation. Rebels may soon hold 3 of the most populous worlds in the House as well as a considerable amount of the war material production. The Count is most likely dead.
Thus far there hasn't been a full scale fleet engagement or serious fightimng anywhere on the ground, just minor skirmishes, though it has cost you a number of ships and people from RTS.

Vanderwal also passes you a note and you add that the House intelligence network has been compromised.

"That is... most unfortunate. You have my condolences on the loss of your Count." the Ambassador informs you. "I will ensure that the Emperor hears of this immediately."

While waiting to hear back about that Baron L'ak Tenni sends you a quick message. She is available to talk but states that she intends to negotiate with the Emergency Council, seeing little alternative.

"Are you siding with them?" you ask.

"If the Count really is dead then I don't see a reason not to. My world and surrounding sectors would benefit from the reforms they're proposing. A number of the local nobles I'm having trouble with would provide me more support if I did, and others could be arrested on corruption charges. It would let me clean up this sector once and for all."

[ ] Traitor!
[ ] I'm sorry you feel that way
[ ] I respect the difficult position you're in

>>3011811
>[ ] I respect the difficult position you're in

>>3011811
>If the count is dead
If.

>[x] I respect the difficult position you're in

>>3011811
"I respect the difficult position you're in, and I'd like for as to work as friends and allies moving forward. Come with me to Dremine. If they want a peaceful transition. Then they will need to turn over the old council so that they might face a fair and honest court. As well as those responsible in the death of the Count, if he trully is dead."

Optional unless somone can edit it how they want
"Yes, having two Barons showing up with their fleets can be mistaken as a show of force. I will take that brunt. But right now we should show the people of J-D that the Barons are more then cappable of working together in these difficult times. And I think having you there will help especially because of your position. You've said these changes will help you and if they will help you then I think that's good. But changes made in haste can lead to mistakes and terrible consequences later on. We both have experince and resources that they do not and that if they were wise would heed our words before moving forward."

>>3011853
>Come with me to Dremine.
Is there any support for this?

>>3011811
[X] I respect the difficult position you're in

>>3011875
I'm way too tired to interpret if that's a good idea or not. My first reaction would be to keep the baron and their ships away from the actual rebels, though.

>>3011891

If us Saputo and Alex show up at Dremine the upstarts are going to claim foul play through show of force. But Tenni is in a position to gain much from this. So having her there would show that we're giving them an option to work with us Barons and not do something in haste. Or they can just claim we're only giving a show of force to bully them into submission.

I still want every last one of their heads on a pike though.

"I respect the difficult position you're in Baron. I may not like it but you have to do what's best for your world. As the highest ranking leader in House space I have to do what's best for the House. I can't say I know what that is yet.
If it becomes necessary to hold a meeting with the Barons and this new council would you be willing to attend? I'd like to know if that could be an option."

"I'll certainly consider it Viscount."

Some progress made at least.

After signing off two calls come in at almost the same time, one from Avun, the other from the Emperor. Best not to keep the big guy waiting. One of your aids let the Baron know that you'll be delayed shortly.

When the Emperor appears on screen it doesn't take long for him to get to the point.
"Reynard, is this true that Count Jerik has been killed by rebels?"
"Presumed dead." you reply. Part of you wont believe it yet.

"That's extremely saddening. You have my sympathies. Count Jerik was able to accomplish considerable diplomatic feats keeping your House together through its expansion. I expect any successor will be hard pressed to take his place."
You don't doubt it.
"While I would prefer to not meddle in the affairs of your House I do know that Jerik-Dremine has sent considerable numbers of troops to take part in the invasion. You have more than forty million ground troops deployed, or in reserve in Shallan space. While the clone forces provided to your House were intended exclusively for use against the Neeran I believe it would be more than appropriate to clear their use for assisting with your current problem.
If necessary our embassies may be used as means of communications or neutral meeting points. Be careful not to abuse those privileges. I dont want to hear of special forces getting on and off world through my embassies. Are we clear? I know you have a love of special operations."

You thank the Emperor and promise to keep that in mind. That doesn't appear to be all though, and he doesn't seem happy about this next bit.

"Reynard, if your House devolves into a civil war the special shipyard at Alaior could become a target. A production facility able to produce advanced mobile shipyards? If it wasn't for careful negotiations with the Seven it would never have been allowed to remain there. If it comes under threat I may have no choice but to annex the system in order to protect it and the shipyard."

"What? Annexation is completely excessi-"

"If I did not others of the Seven might, even Helios." Ber'helum interrupts. "If Helios and Ceres decided to capture the shipyard jointly there is little chance your House would ever have it returned."

>What say?

>>3012008
Annexation is still too far.

But if the House were to descend into civil war, we could completely understand and support the Ruling House temporarily stationing a fleet locally within the system to protect industrial assets essential to the war effort.

>>3012008

>What say?

"Understood, sir. Thank you for giving us this chance and talking to the seven before they acted. I am sure some of them are likely enacting whatever safety mesures you all agreed upon even now." Then as >>3012050 suggested, "If they are worried, I can talk to Baron Palaiologos about allowing a RH security fleet in system to protect those yards. Ibelieve he would like to do whatever it takes to protect his creation and system."

Well shit, I guess this means reigning in blood lust and desire to kill them all, right? Well we technically still could do that. It would just get messy and everyone would hate that.

So what are our options?

Alex needs to be made aware of the situation of what he and his system are facing if J-D enters a Civil War. Which will likely make him against any action that might incite a war breaking out.

Tenni is for some of the changes these upstarts are promising so she is likely going to side with them.

The Emergency Council needs to be watched over, so that they don't start passing laws that will damage/ hurt the house in the long run. And in my opinion, the old Council needs to be pulled off Dremine before someone gets an itchy trigger finger.

And I firmly believe these idiots deserve some form of punishment. If not execution or exile for their actions in starting a coup. Then those responsible for all the needless deaths that have arsien because of this. Need to be punished and those who gave those orders need to recieve the punishment for giving those orders that resulted in the deaths of JD citizens.

And in the event the Count trully is dead, then all those responsible should face just punishment.

In the event the Count trully is dead. Would we also be responsible for causing his death? Since we asked him to wait and let us get the names of those responsible. Thus asking him to hold his hand in acting against these upstarts and putting him in a position where he could be assaulted and possibly killed? Are we also partially to blame for his death?

>>3012008
Can he warn the Rebels about his intent to annex the shipyards if they seize them?

Because then we don't have to worry about defending them.

Unless people would rather bait the rebels into seizing them to split/reduce their forces, then let the Emperor seize them temporarily.

>>3011646
Honestly I think we should rally all the Barons/upper leadership and fight the bastards on this thing at every step.

You can't just stage a violent revolution then try and bribe people into putting up with it.

Fading out. I'll see about making a few posts tomorrow before work.

>>3012129
>You can't just stage a violent revolution then try and bribe people into putting up with it.

Depends how much it would cost to fight them.

No need for Pyrrhic victories here.

>>3012129
Completely agree anon - treason, sabotage, sedition and the assassination of our head of state cannot go unanswered.

I’d rather force the House into a civil war than let these bastards win.

>>3012163
>No need for Pyrrhic victories here.
I honestly think a Pyrrhic victory here would be a good outcome. They've just taken a bunch of nobility hostage, assassinated a head of state, and now want to implement /democratic reforms/.

If we capitulate, what kind of message does that send? Rise up against the Dominion and you'll get what you want? We basically have a Knight Lt. who's taken charge of the whole house right now. They can either surrender and de-escalate the situation or we can rally all the Barons, our loyal forces, and anyone else willing to fight them.

Giving in to their demands now would be like if we were to stay put and not break out at the Lat'tham ball.

>>3012225
> I honestly think a Pyrrhic victory here would be a good outcome.

Are you insane? That's like, the very definition of a bad outcome.

It would make more sense to leave the house, start our own, then try to re-conquer JD.

If we insist on everything, we'll end up with nothing.

>>3012225
Yeah we've been a supporter of Democratic reforms before, so pull your head out of your memes and stop trying to bang that drum.

And the fact of the matter is that a Knight Lt. *successfully* managed to capture and overthrow the Government to some degree. Which, since the Dominion is a meritocracy, shows that his arguments have the benefit of having been successful for him insofar as the leaders of the House were unable to resolve the core issues leading to the rebellion, nor were they able to prevent it.

So their lack of rank is more embarrassing for the old guard than an indictment of Foc Jr's capabilities.

> The Dominion - Pussies and bad losers need not apply.

>>3012232
>It would make more sense to leave the house, start our own, then try to re-conquer JD.
Or kill the coup leaders and install ourself? That seems to be the message they're sending.

>Yeah we've been a supporter of Democratic reforms
Uh, have you read the quest? Sonia has supported minor Democratic initiatives to appease certain portions of the population on Rioja. Things like town mayors, not for positions of Planetary Governor and council members.

>shows that his arguments have the benefit of having been successful for him insofar as the leaders of the House were unable to resolve the core issues leading to the rebellion, nor were they able to prevent it
They stacked the home fleet with supporters whilst every other military group has gone to go fight, no shit they were able to take over. Not to mention kidnapping and threatening Noble families to gain their support.

i am definetely against bowing down to terrorist and traitors
letting them get away with this will also lower our personal infleuence aswell as lowering the status of the house itself

>>3012240
>>3012237

It's the same guys voting to burn everything down each thread, what a surprise.

>>3012008
Also remember that the Emperor said

> While the clone forces provided to your House were intended exclusively for use against the Neeran I believe it would be more than appropriate to clear their use for assisting with your current problem.

So there`s that to be considered.

Still, I agree that a diplomatic solution is best for the House, which might mean some *GASP* compromise.

>>3012247
>It's the same guys voting to burn everything down each thread, what a surprise.
i didn't even post last thread, nice try though senpai

>>3012247
>It's the same guys voting to burn everything down each thread, what a surprise.
What the fuck are you talking about? If I wanted to 'burn everything down' I would have voted to join BH when Sonia was House Arrested.

What I would really like to see is Sonia in charge of the House.

>>3012251
>>3012252
Sure thing, it's just two people consistently voting with a lot of the same phrases and terminology.

>>3012247
>agree that a diplomatic solution is best for the House
a) That’s not in character for Sonia
b) How precisely is a diplomatic solution better for us, for the House and for the Dominion?

>>3012282
Sonia has brokered many deals from a position of superior firepower that were exceedingly generous with the goal being reduced damage or casualties, and has accepted moral compromise for the good of the House ironically because of Fox the elder.

It's absolutely in character for Sonia to accept a compromise that saves others lives and prevents future possible decades of resentment and unrest at home.

All going in being unreasonable will do will ensure that the Rebels fight to the death and wreak havoc on the core homeworlds, destabilizing it and ensuring that the other nobles refuse to back us.

It's easy to forget that the damage of war is best created where someone else lives.

Better to use our forces to threaten to invade if they proceed too far with the reforms while the Neeran fleet is away, and stall diplomatic resolutions until life gets shitty.

No big battles to create martyrs and resentment. No evil overlords to oppose. Just things gradually getting shittier, shortages appearing, etc until their support is eroded away enough that we can force a peaceful resolution with the home fleet and give everyone the experience of "we tried it and turned out it sucked".

We can inform pirates of their trader allies. We can refuse to support any agreements made without a resolution about who is the Head of the House. We can force them to defend the territory they took from us, even if we lose it we can take it back later since they have minimal fleet resources. We're the highest ranking noble around, with key infrastructure and the military force to hold it. They honestly can't do shit without us.

And after we win, and graciously pardon some key figures, they can be killed later if necessary when it isn't suspicious.

Also all this is off the table if they go after our family. At that point we might as well bombard the planets and flee to start our own pirate kingdom.

>>3012008
>What say?
"I understand. Let us hope it will not be necessary."
Not like we can do anything about it if Ber'helum wants to do that. Unless handing over control to one of the seven beforehand, maybe.

>>3012089
I still doubt that was the count. He's a politician and leader, and I don't know if he was ever mentioned to have been a knight beforehand. Even then, I can't imagine him running around in power armor with a big sticker that says "I Am THE E̶A̶R̶L̶ COUNT!!!!" and trying to beat up people instead of just hiding away somewhere close to the core of the planet. Sonia already has a bunch of loyal bodyguards, the earl must have dozens of power armored protectors the rebels would have to go through first. And even if he was in that power armor, with stasis fields and these guillotine helmets readily available to somebody as important as him, he should be easily able to survive getting shot in half.
Even if it is probably not a particularly pleasant experience.

>>3012124
>Hey, guys. We can't really afford an extended war because the RH will take away one of the most expensive investments of the opposing side of this potential civil war. How quickly would you guys like to surrender?
Definitely something we should do.

>>3012312
Sonia has also been sympathetic to people who fucked up big time if they had decent intentions or good reasons for their actions. The whole AI cluster fuck when she first met Versa would be a good example of this.

Anyway, I think our first priority is to get intel unfucked. And get an analysis from Fadila on the situation in general, it will be easy to make decisions we don't know the consequences of.
While we're at it, speak to the governor of Rioja and his second in command. If they have any complaints about how things are done on our planet, now is probably the right time to voice them.

>>3012312
>Also all this is off the table if they go after our family.
We could demand that they allow the immediate familiy of all barons and governors of the house to seek refuge in the Ber'helum embassy on the planet. As a token of goodwill.

>>3012351
That's what I originally wrote in as a condition for us to not act against them.

We can't bargain in good faith while they have hostages.

A civil war right now would be devastating for the house. Might as well go ahead and create our own house out of loyalist barons.

Who would know the Count's emergency plans for situations like these? If he is hiding somewhere on the planet we have to know where he'd be hiding to rescue him without invading the planet.

"I understand. Let's hope it won't be necessary. Thank you for giving us this chance before anyone acted." you tell the Emperor.

"Good luck Reynard, I don't envy your position, whatever path your House takes."

Once off the call you send a message to Alex passing on the Emperor's warning. Hopefully the Emergency Council won't attempt to push into the former Erid territories before you can prepare for them.

Next up is the call from Avun.
"Viscount we need to discuss the current state of affairs regarding the House."
"Do we ever." you reply.

"I defected to your House for a lot of reasons. Some personal, others because I felt I still owed you. As far as I'm concerned I consider that debt to you paid. When I joined your House I swore loyalty to Count Jerik. I wasn't the only one. So did my knights. So did the House Erid nobles who jumped ship."

That's a good point. Xisoth is currently holding down much of the old Erid territories to make sure the increasingly worried nobles there dont try to rise up.
Avun continues.
"My point is that even if this Rebellion went away tomorrow the House will never be the same. If anything happens to the rest of the council we'll be facing a succession crisis."

You turn to Fadila.
"What happened when Gernot Jerik came to power?"

"There was a minor conflict within the House but the new Earl had the full backing of Archivald. That meant a full one third of the fleet and most of the experienced starfighter forces. He also had considerable backing among the Knights and armies of Dremine and Torun, even if their Barons were less enthusiastic about supporting him. Torun nearly suffered an open rebellion.

Knight Winifred helped convince her husband Governor Holtby that it would be best to support the new Earl rather than face a war they couldn't win. Knowing what we do now? I personally believe she would have simply killed Holtby if the House had descended into civil war at the time."

"Might have saved Alex the trouble a couple decades later." you mutter.

You turn back to Avun
>Will the House ever be the same?

[ ] "Yes. It. Will."
[ ] "Then we'll have to make it better."
[ ] "Maybe not, but close enough will do."
[ ] "Perhaps this is the end of Jerik-Dremine..."

This choice does not lock you into a particular course of action but does set the general direction.

>>3012469
[X] "Then we'll have to make it better."

>>3012469
>[ ] "Perhaps this is the end of Jerik-Dremine..."
N E W H O U S E

>>3012469
> [X] "Then we'll have to make it better."

>>3012469
>[ ] "Then we'll have to make it better."
>[ ] "Maybe not, but close enough will do."
I can't really decide between these two. There's obviously room for improvement in our House and, as unfortunate as the situation is, this is a good chance to make some more far reaching corrections that would have been previously opposed. The people who form the young upstars do have valid complaints in some areas. However, the House has done pretty well even under dire circumstances since Houses Jerik and Dremine had to merge, and fortune has smiled upon J-D for the last couple of decades. So we can't really throw out everything without measure.
And no matter how lofty our goals might be, at the end of the day we're still parked in the middle of the Dominion, so there are issues we can't realistically approach without risking invasion or other trouble with the rest of the faction. There's also the matter of the barons currently on campaign, I'd hate to make any decisions without including them. They have fought for the house as much as Sonia has.

Call a council of barons once they're back?

>>3012469
>[ ] "Then we'll have to make it better."

"J-D has had its faults. But I believe we can make it better. This setback aside. Whatever happens, we need to work together to make it better. Some Barons are in a position where these changes can help them. Others are currently in a position where if a civil war were to break out they'd lose a great deal. I understand you and your knights sacrificed a lot in joining us and what you are seeing now is the ugly side of J-D internal politics. I want to continue working together and hopefully make J-D into something everyone can be proud to claim they are a member of once more."

>>3012469
>[ ] "Then we'll have to make it better."
MJDGA

>>3012469
[X] "Perhaps this is the end of Jerik-Dremine..."

"If the House isn't going to be the same then we'll have to make it better." you announce.

The question now is how to go about doing that?

Negotiation is not ideal but will probably lead to the least deaths. It could also take awhile, as would moving your fleet.
Mike is currently 3.5 days out from the homeworlds at high FTL. The Rioja fleet is now ready to launch with the previously mentioned 10 day deployment time.

Do you launch the fleet towrds the Centri Cluster at this time?
>Y/N?

>>3012503
>Do you launch the fleet towards the Centri Cluster at this time?

Yes, for good or ill. If they want to work with us they need to have someone making sure they are just passing new laws and getting rid of old laws. Without considering all positions.

>>3012503
Would it be possible to send a third or half of our fleet? Enough to drive home that we intend to defend the remaining world and intervene if necessary but not enough to put so much pressure on the rebels that they start doing more stupid things.

>>3012503
Launch the fleet, it's time to make Count Reynard a reality.

>>3012510
Possible yes.

Admiral Tama warns that there is little point in deploying the entire army of 1.6 million (+1 million clone troops) without most of the fleet backing them up.

>>3012515
Voting for a more limited deployment of both army and navy in that case.

Headed to work!
Back after midnight.

>>3012510
>>3012519
It's probably better in this case to bring overwhelming force. If they see a smaller force, they might be more inclined to fight.

>>3012535
Before I forget it, last thread the Run Alliance wanted to speak to us but talking to the council and ber'helum got in the way. We shouldn't keep them waiting any longer.

>>3012536
Or a larger fleet might make them start looking for additional hostages.

Oh what the fuck is going on? I haven't read the past 3 threads for reasons but I pop in here to check the first post to see if we're kicking alien ass yet, thinking "whatever it says can't be much of a spoiler"

Haha.

I'm going to hate every second catching up won't I?

>>3012503
>Y
Launch the full fleet

They have hostages so we need to confront them with overwhelming strength

>>3012515

Full Fleet Strength

>>3012637
The visit to Terran space went pretty well overall. Shit hit the fan in the thread before the current one. For once it wasn't even Sonia's fault.

>>3012515
Launch at full strength. Cause we are going to murder every single one of these fuckheads with it.

Some say bringing a gun to knife fight is unfair. I wonder how they will react if they do like us and bring a Tank instead.

>>3012503
> Y

Walk softly, carry a big stick.

Also we can use the fleet for blockades and such.

Anyways, we might as well negotiate while moving the fleet.

>>3012503
> Y

Should we send some ships off to blockade or intercept movement from the Rebellion?

>>3013766
Manged to hurt myself a bit at work so I'll be spending tomorrow morning trying to get hold of a doctor rather than writing.

You give the order for the fleet to begin their launch. Ships and troops have been puled back from exercises for this, no reason not to send them all. Better to have extra and not need them. Especialy if the worst happens like some of your people refusing to fight members of their own House.

Some of the faster ships will remain behind for now and catch up later. You'll be going with the second wave as there are still matters to sort out on Rioja before your departure. If you're lucky the extra few days might be enough time to discuss options with the rebels.

>>3012546
The Run Alliance also wants to know what's going on of course. The Emergency Council has already sent transmissions to the homeworlds of the other alliance members, pledging their support to the existing treaties.

What did you want to tell them at this time?

[ ] Everything is fine
[ ] Things are in flux, be prepared for trade disruption
[ ] Cut trade in the homeworlds until the situation improves

>>3013850
>[ ] Things are in flux, be prepared for trade disruption

How old is Sonia biologically?

>>3013876
Chronological age -3.
So 35.

>>3013850
>[ ] Cut trade in the homeworlds until the situation improves

If we do it intentionally, we can prepare for it.

>>3013850
> Cut trade

Offer to allow it to resume if they release their hostages.

>>3013850
Actually

> [ ] Things are in flux, be prepared for trade disruption

We can cut trade later. Still, up inspections of ships for rebels and reroute trade randomly to disrupt 5th columnist plans.

Some warning that things are a bit unstable looks like. They wont be caught by surprise if anything causes disruption of trade with the House.
If necessary the situation can be upgraded. (or downgraded)

With most of the fleet having departed Rob Ecord informs you that there have been some issues with the Commando units. They're aware that one of the teams are under lockdown and the others want to know if they've been charged. By now they're probably aware of the situation in the homeworlds.

Did you want to talk to the unit that's confined to barracks?

>>3013923
Might as well talk to them.

They're SF so they probably know us pretty well. Hurt disappointment can probably go a long way given how well we've always treated them. Turn up the guilt to 11.

These are the people we would have trusted with our children, stabbing us in the back. People we have gone behind the lines with, and been stuck in with, and they didn't trust us enough to help them or be able to make necessary changes.

How they've hurt us, personally.

>>3013965
+1
Maximum guilt trip

>>3013965
>>3013923
>>3014004

Full ahead on the guilt train.

Inform them that we're still going to make sure their families are cared for, same as if they had died in action.

Because they're dead to us now.

Then open the barracks up to space.

Have a post done up for once the barracks situation is done up. Will try to post tomorrow.

>>3013965
>>3014026
We only locked down one unit because two of its members were sympathetic to the current uprising. They haven't actually done anything as far as we know.

>>3014026
>>3013965
They haven't done anything aside from being named as sypathetic towards the goals of the young upstarta by Shanta. So, no, don't do any of that stuff unless this is one of these Sonia is retarded episodes.

>>3013923
Probably best to talk with each member of the team personally. Have them be separated form one another so that when we talk with the two suspects, they wont be as resentful of the others as well as being able to learn on whether the info given to us was legit.

>>3014180
>>3014027
This is a good plan.

I still feel we should come off as hurt that they didn't approach us on their own, as well as concerned that the rebels killed the head of the house.

That's not something that can be swept under the rug.

But they can't just write our position off as being that of a corrupt noble.

I kind of regret not voting to go full pirate now.

>>3013923
>>3014027

I think at this point we talk to them. Tell them that their associates have conducted a coup that has likely resulted in the death of the Count and the destabilization of the House over all. They may not have played a part in the coup, but for the safety and stability of Rioja we're confining them to the barracks until this situation is resolved.

They are not being charged with anything yet. But if they feel they must talk to a lawyer then they can arrange so with their chain of command.

Just as a backup maybe we should wear the Sphere armor when talking to these guys as well?

>>3014221
This, just don’t say “yet”

Back, but I've been running around non stop since 9AM on very little sleep. I promise to get posts up tomorrow.

>>3016406
It's fine man, I mean it could be worse. You could have just left us in a months long hiatus with last thread's cliffhanger.

Meant to post this after binge watching the expanse a couple weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efe3CxHor0Q

>Nukes to blind enemy sensors while you get in close
>Pretty complicated
This has effectively been my number 1 basic engagement tactic since 2001. Hell you guys were doing the same thing in H&D before the show aired. It's assault corvette tactics 101.

Though using the missiles as an escorting screen was pretty neat. I would not have thought of that.

>>3016455
The Expanse is a pretty great show

>>3016455
I'm still waiting for us to start using Space Marine boarding torpedoes.

> https://youtu.be/M3w3XeHpsis?t=66

I mean, we have all these clone forces now.

>>3016455
The Slow Zone is a pretty cool concept too.

Ecord precedes you into the barracks, calling for the troops to assemble. A good chunk of your personal guard are standing by outside in case anything goes wrong. They'll stay out of sight until needed. For now your close bodyguard is enough.

"Attention on deck!" shouts one of the officers as you enter.

You return their salutes but don't bother to tell them at ease, inspecting those assembled. 30 Commandos are present. A not insubstantial portion of your special forces. Hopefully they dont decide to cause trouble or it could be a serious issue. As you pace through the Barracks you make eye contact with most of them before returning to the front.

"As some of you may be aware by now the Count is dead, most likely at the hands of a certain political faction that has staged a coup back in the homeworlds. Dreminth, Torun and Loran are probably under their control by now. If any of them are not they will be soon.

I've trusted all of you with a lot of important shit over the years. My life. Even the lives of my family members. The defense of this world and our House. I'm disappointed to find out that some of you have decided to join this political group, and may be party to the Counts death. That is the reason you've been confined to the barracks for the last two days.

I'm even more disappointed that none of you bothered to approach me about this situation sooner. Before it was too late to do anything about it. Before it escalated. Now we may be facing a civil war within our own House. I dont think it's necessary to spell out just how bad that would be for all of us.

That said, you're not being charged with anything. If any of you feel it necessary to talk to a lawyer then that can be arranged through the chain of command. I'm taking the fleet and army to the homeworlds to resolve this situation one way or another. For the aforementioned reasons you'll be sitting this one out."

One of the older commando officers you're familiar with steps forward and salutes.

"Sir! I believe I can speak for the entire unit in saying that if they killed Count Jerik we're ready to glass the fuckers! Just give the order."

[ ] I'm sorry I cant take that risk
[ ] I'm going to need assurances that certain members wont turn
[ ] Accept

>>3017375
>[ ] I'm sorry I cant take that risk

>>3017375
>[ ] I'm going to need assurances that certain members wont turn

>>3017375
>[ ] I'm going to need assurances that certain members won't turn

>>3017375
>[ ] I'm going to need assurances that certain members wont turn

I'm very sorry but as much as I trust all of you I simply cannot take such a risk without ironclad assurance that this will not bite me at a critical time. Beliefs and ideals change slowly, and to be frank the actions of these extremists has likely killed any hope of non-violent serious reformation in the near future and I know how desperate that could make those who wish to see such changes. That having been said I am open to recieve such assurances, every man and women here has served the house, and myself, in ways many couldn't or woldn't and I do not want the trust we have built up, or the careers many of you have created for yourselves to be sacrificed for this.

Finally cought up on a years worth of threads, hope I can contibute. So uh, heres some shitty writing of how I would picture this.

>>3017375
>[x] Ask the supporters of the upstarts to help with information or leverage their influence with the group for a peaceful solution
They can still help with this, I just wouldn't put them on the frontlines.
"I wish the solution to this nightmare would be that easy. They have managed to capture multiple members of the Dremine council and family of various Barons and governors."

Good news everyone: There's a wifi available to guests at my workplace.
Bad news everyone: The Terms of service on it says that it can only be used for official work for the company. Which means accessing 4chan is going to be right out.

>>3017407
Should I count this one under "assurances" or "not taking the risk." Either with additions.

>I just wouldn't put them on the frontlines.
Your fleet could be operating in what may be considered hostile territory. Everywhere may be the front lines. If you don't trust them, dont take them.

>>3017450
>Should I count this one under "assurances" or "not taking the risk."
Well, it was two names that popped up. So going with "assurances" should be fine, I hope. Offer people who don't want to deploy the chance to sit this out without any consequences for their career, though.

Late for work, back after midnight!

>>3017375

>[ ] I'm going to need assurances that certain members wont turn

My word pasta:
"Thank you, but before I can take you all with me. I am going to need assurance that members of your force will not turn, on me, on Rioja and on their fellow commandos. We will be deploying into a mine field of political, military and ethical kinds. This political faction has shown they are willing to recruit, use and disguise themselves as civilians if it means they can get an edge. They have arrested many members from the council taken hostage family members of many nobles and other barons. And have killed the head of our House, whether by 'accident' or purpose.

I tell you this because your next target could very well be fellow soldiers and friends from House J-D. The next person you fight could very well be a person you've known for years prior to this. And this could very well and very understandably, put anyone in a compromising position.

Which is why, if you feel that you could very well be compromised and be unable to carry out orders or possibly be convinced to turn sides. I must ask you to stay behind. You will not be judged or treated any differently for your decision. But you will have to remain in these barracks until this current situation is resolved.

If any of you have questions or concerns, this is the time to ask them. If you do not wish to voice them aloud, then you may send me a message through the chain of command."

>>3017375
> Even if the fuckers might be some of the very men you fought with? I don't want to do that to you.

> That being said, I'm still hoping that . . . Less extreme measures can be taken to resolve this. Be aware, though, that there WILL be a reckoning for the people who made this move. They have demanded accountability, and I plan on making sure it's given to them.

> We still have many other enemies outside the House. I need men there, men I can trust, and I still trust everyone here to do what is best for the House - even if there isn't %100 agreement on the details.

>>3017375
>Other

"To anyone one of you that feel that they could not be willing to fight those within the house may stay behind and defend the planet against our enemies from outside."

"While I respect your enthusiasm, I'm going to need assurances that certain members wont turn. I'd like to take all of you at your word, but my responsibility to the continuation of this House means that I can't. Everyone in this unit will be responsible for the conduct of your fellows while deployed. You'll also have to sign legal contracts."

"We'll do it sir."
There are murmurs of assent from the others.

"Now I'm not going to be a complete asshole to you all. If any of you feel that they would be unwilling to fire upon members of our own House then you're free to remain behind to help defend Rioja. Someone may try to take advantage of our weakened state despite being under protection by the Ruling House.
You have 28 hours to sign agreements or request to remain behind. Questions?"

One of the women towards the back raises a hand.
"There could be a lot of civilians in any AO we drop into. Are we going in non-lethal first to minimize collateral, or shoot to kill?"

"I'm still hoping less extreme measures can be taken to resolve this." you reply. "But if you're deployed in combat..."

[ ] Try for non-lethal
[ ] Shoot to kill

>>3018671
>[ ] Shoot to kill

>>3018671

>[ ] Try for non-lethal

As with any deployment into a city or place of high civilian population. The non-lethal option should be your first response if you start taking low caliber weapons fire. If someone wants a fist fight, put them on their ass. While I will not be using you in an enforcement roll. If you find yourself in a large crowd of angry civilians. Use your stun grenades. We have enough to knock out large population center.

As for when people start shooting. If someone is being a coward hiding in a crowd and opening fire on you. Use your best judgement, I would prefer you use the stun weaponry provided to you. But if you feel your life is in danger. You can use lethal force.

>>3018671
>Shoot to kill

>>3018671
[X] Try for non-lethal

And hopefully we'll have this settled by the time I'm up.

>>3018671
>[ ] Try for non-lethal

Essentially what this guy said.>>3018695

>>3018671
>[ ] Shoot to kill

>>3018671
[X] Shoot to kill
The lives of our best men are worth 10 times the lives of the average civilian

>>3018671
>[ ] Try for non-lethal
We can't really afford to be the ones who start any kind of large scale bloodshed. If things already have turned bloody they're of course authorised to shoot to kill be I don't want to be the one responsible for starting it.

>>3018671
>>3018695
>[ ] Try for non-lethal
This, basically.

>>3018671
[ ] Try for non-lethal

>>3011400

I am really happy to see that this is still going. I've been an avid fan for years now, and it's a great pleasure of mine to return to the archive once or twice a year and read up on all of Sonia's adventures.

Thanks for dozens, if not hundreds of hours of fun TSTG.

>>3019154
what this guy said.

"As much as I'd like to tell you to shoot to kill, we can't be the ones initiating large scale bloodshed. Try for non-lethal, but be ready to switch it up if you encounter anyone with power armor."

With that resolved you contact the other Commando units. They'll be offered similar opportunities to remain behind if they want. Soon enough they'll begin deploying to their ships.

An encrypted message has arrived from Mike. His unit is approaching the Centri Cluster but hasn't arrived yet. While in flight Mike has been making use of modern coms to look up old contacts who might be able to help. In the process he found out that Windsor is stationed at Robrinaan as the current garrison fleet commander.

A survivor of your original training squadron, Windsor has long been an arrogant pain in the ass. He used his piloting skill and family connections to secure a position as one of the first test pilots for the Assault Corvette program. While stationed at Gesaur he made a fortune through piloting duels while the rest of you were out fighting in the war.

He eventually put his own unit together and was helpful in training elite pilots at different times over the years. The last time you saw him he was at the charity tournament intended to raise funds to get older Knights into new battleships. Not everyone could afford to upgrade when the push started to modify old cruisers into system patrol craft.

He and his elites attended the tournament in the hopes of easy winnings against older opponents, ignoring its intended purpose. Of course you made sure things were stacked a bit unfavorably against them after finding out. They weren't exactly thrashed but it wasn't a profitable trip for them. One of Windsor's people were even recruited by a more experienced and established Knight, offering them a chance at more fame and glory than the test unit could.

It seems those events had a deleterious effect on the group. Windsor himself eventually developed a losing streak in ship duels as, unlike many others, he doesn't refuse to go up against enhanced pilots. Now lacking funds as well as supporters he's taken on the post at Robrinaan after having been refused any sort of unit command position in the invasion fleets.

It's about as backwater as you can get in the Centri Cluster, but is well positioned for possible use as a staging base. It's more or less along the line between the nav station and the J-D homeworlds. According to Mike, Windsor hasn't taken sides yet but could probably be swayed by a combination of money and favours.

Did you want to contact him?

>>3019154
>>3019226
As always, glad for the thanks and encouragement.

>>3019278

Fuck Windsor he's a liability, that said. If his position is a reliable staging point for any deployments into the homeworlds, should things go tits up and the rebels decide to into a civil war. Then it would be in our interest to at least get him to play along. Even if it is in the short term. We have money if he needs/ wants money. If he's looking for favors, he better be willing to put aside whatever greviance he has and learn to take orders from us without question.

Don't need to like him he doesn't need to like us. We need just need his cooperation until the situation is over.

>>3019278
I think it would be good to at least contact him and try to get him unto our side for this.Plus we could do to have at least more of the military with us rather than the rebels.

>>3019278
I'd say contact him. Him being a asshole aside he is good at what he does and a valuable trainer if nothing else. We got the money to hire him to help train Riojas Navy so we should do that. Will also help to show that we are his boss and therefor better than him. But that's just a plus. Just hire him and leave him to train our forces into something even better.

>>3019278
>Did you want to contact him?
Yes. We can work out payment at a later date.

>>3019278
>Windsor is stationed at Robrinaan as the current garrison fleet commander
How has he performed in that postion?

>Did you want to contact him?
I'm a bit worried he might be a tad too mercenary for this kind of conflict but I guess there's little to lose if we try to negotiate the use of his base. And if the reports are true, we'll need skilled trainers when this is over no matter how the situation is resolved.

You see about contacting Windsor. It doesn't take long to reach him.

"Rey-" He almost addresses you by your name but catches himself.
"Viscount Reynard, to what do I owe the pleasure?"

"Mister Windsor." you reply formally. "The House is on the brink of civil war. I've heard that you're now the garrison fleet commander of Robrinaan. Is that correct?"

"That's right. I have an entire 24 attack corvettes, 2 assault corvettes and one EC-K at my disposal. This place wasn't exactly a step up in the world."

You'd heard as much.
"You're ideally placed as a stop off point for possible fleet movements into the homeworlds. I'm interested in knowing if you'd side with us against the rebels?"

Windsor shrugs. "I don't know, nobody has made me an offer yet."

You frown. "Look, you may not like me and I always thought you were kind of an asshole, but this could be important to the survival of the House. What do you want?"

The pilot straightens up and looks straight at you.
"Money would be good, but I want guaranteed status as a member of the nobility. That means either rights to my family's lands if anything has happened to them, or your support towards improving my potential inheritance. If you can't do either of those then I want to be a Knight."

For all his prestige and high profile status in the test unit nobody ever thought he was worth Knighting. This might earn him back some respect from his peers.

As you stare at him while consider the request he eventually blurts out; "I want to be somebody again dammit!"

>Agree? Offer something else?

Got to go! have a DR's appointment then work.

>>3019357
>That means either rights to my family's lands if anything has happened to them, or your support towards improving my potential inheritance.
I think that's a fair request. If he's willing to bite his tongue, maybe we can set him up to be trained so that he's worthy and capable of being a Knight. We can't just knight someone undeserving of it, that's partly what this rebellion is about.

>>3019357
"Fair enough. A pilot of your skill should be easy to Knight. I will set you up with some land on Rioja at the first available opportunity and dump some cash on you to get you started."

Not like we do not have both money and land in abundance and it's easy to knight people.

>>3019357

"You want to be somebody again? You've proven you're a damn good pilot. I will not dispute that. Becoming a knight is not given it is earned. You've already shown you are capable of commanding a unit and are capable right now as a commanding officer of a garrison fleet. I can knight you with that basic criteria alone.

I am willing to take the risk in knighting you, so long as you understand your actions will reflect upon me as surely as my actions will reflect upon you. I expect a lot out of the knights in my command and in return I reward them fairly for their actions. I also expect my knights to bring things to my attention if I miss something or if something is wrong and needs correcting."

>>3019357
Reasonable enough, though give him a suggestion to hire someone he trusts to handle the land and his finances to get him settled well, especially if we do guarantee to him keeping his family lands.

>>3019357
>Offer something else?
>"I want to be somebody again dammit!"
He's a great corvette pilot but that won't last forever and we've seen little ability to actually command people in battle. What he does seem to do very well is maintaining and image and polarizing people. Love him or hate him, everybody knew Windsor as one of the best duel pilots in our House until recently. On top of that, he's been a member of the military and served the House for years.
Why not take advantage of that and build him up as a media personality on the homeworlds? Not being a knight or having any inheritance seems like it would actually be an advantage in the current climate. We set him up with enough capital and capable advisors to start making an impact and things should go well enough from there. We'll need to establish a media presence in the centri cluster anyway.

>This might earn him back some respect from his peers.
The other stuff seems okay but I'm against knighting him. People will catch on quickly enough and it will just hurt Sonia and him in the long run. Especially if he starts getting into random duels as a knight.

>>3019425
Supporting this.

Plus dump some money on him.

This may cause problems in the future - but one problem at a time.

Do we know any other non-aligned fleet commanders who we can contact prior to arriving in homeworld space?

>>3019357
What is Windsor good at aside from flying corvettes and being a prick? There must be a smarter way to help that guy than simply throwing money and prestige at him.

>>3019357
>>3019421

An additional thought I had to what I want to make sure he is aware of.

We may be giving him the title of Knight, but if he wants land and the prestige that comes with it. He is going to have to earn it. As not only will other Knights see it as an affront for all the hard work they had to do to become knights, others will see it as a sign that maybe you dont have to do much to be a knight after all.

And the best way to earn lands and such. Is to come out to the front lines with us. No sitting back in the homeworlds while we and our knights who earned our title fight and bleed for the safety of the house. We can put his talents as a test pilot to use in training new species the Dominion encounters in how to use corvettes more efficiently. Or simply leading a unit into battle.

He put himself in this spot if he wants out of it he is going to have to work and play by our rules. If he doesn't like it then it only shows why he has been passed over for knight hood.

And while yes what I am about to suggest is a slippery slope. We hold the land he would get as a knight, in trust until his first deployment to the front lines with us to prove himself worthy of the title of knight and all its responsibilities.

We could give him a small piece of land on the second world in the Rioja system we plan to develop after the war.

>>3019843
Windsor has a history of getting his wingmen in danger or even killed to save his own ass, that's why he ended up doing corvette duels - nobody wanted to be in the same squad despite how good he is. The guy has no business getting knighted unless he proves his worth.

>>3019862
Knight him and stick him in a training center, never actually making him go into a fight. Training others is all he has done so far so just make him stick with that.

>>3019862

That's why I think if he wants to prove he is worth getting knighted. Take him out to the front lines and have him teach the new aliens we meet who want to be allies to the Dominion how to better use corvettes to their upper extremes. And when he isn't doing that. Put him in situations where if he doesn't obey orders and endangers his wingmen he will be court-martialed. We could also stick him on a corvette or ship filled with clones and no working emergency teleporters. Put him in a suicide mission and oops I guess his teleporters malfunctioned.

>>3019874
You're supposed to do something impressive or provide consistently good results while serving to get knighted. Neither of which Windsor has done so far and I'm not willing to cheapen the title just to save a few million.

>>3019878
>Take him out to the front lines and have him teach the new aliens we meet who want to be allies to the Dominion how to better use corvettes to their upper extremes. And when he isn't doing that. Put him in situations where if he doesn't obey orders and endangers his wingmen he will be court-martialed.
That might work. Promote him to men-at-arms and then let him earn his promotion that way.

>We could also stick him on a corvette or ship filled with clones and no working emergency teleporters.
That's ooc. Even for one of these situations where Sonia's brain stops working.

>>3019921
>That might work. Promote him to men-at-arms and then let him earn his promotion that way.
This won’t work - he’ll just go the rebel’s and they’ll give him a knighthood now and he can avoid the work and danger.

Ignore the long-term ramifications for now, this is a purely political move at building our local fleet capacity and increasing the legitimacy of our attempt at retaking the honeworlds.

The larger our fleet and the more people who are seeking to flock to our banner - the less viable the position the rebel’s are in is.

>>3019979
His priority are money and land though, as he wants to become a member of the nobility. We can give him that without knighting him. Or we could just agree that he'll get one of these things and decide which he'll get once we've resolved this conflict.

What if part of the deal is that Windsor has to agree to be a good person from now on?

The deal with him getting nobility should be kept to it without any plans of double crossing from us as it were. But should he want to choose to become a knight as well then we should take him with us to the frontlines of the current conflict against the rebels. Put veteran knights with as both wingmen and handlers should he chose to betray us during the heat of the moment.

>>3019357
> Is that it? Done. You always were as great a pilot as you were an asshole, nobody could deny that, and while you weren't getting shot at nobody can say that testing new ships isn't dangerous. You should have been knighted already.

> I'll even see about sending some new and exciting toys your way to try out.

Honest truth, he would probably be pretty good at adapting to new or unusual systems and God knows we got a bunch.

>>3019921
> You're supposed to do something impressive or provide consistently good results while serving to get knighted.

Flying experimental craft is actually crazy dangerous, not to mention the risk of ruining super expensive prototypes.

>>3020400
Yup, I mean it's not his competence we're testing him should he be knighted, more for his leadership capabilities really.

>>3020411
Sylvan was a Knight.

There's a whole bunch of Knights who aren't leaders of anything other than their ships.

If anything, we should insist on being allowed to provide the education for his children to make THEM into good nobles and leaders.

We don't need him to be a good leader.

>>3019278
> Yes, but you'll have to step into the limelight as one of our top pilots who was repeatedly passed over for political reasons, and that your Knighting is part of my movement towards resolving the issues the rebels brought up and sadly decided to fix by killing people instead of aiding them.

From a practical point of view we gotta replace a bunch of nobles anyways.

It could also serve as a backhanded warning to the other nobles that they ARE replaceable if necessary.

>>3020461
Mind Sylvan can actually keep SOME of his people alive that we have actually seen. Windsor as it stands has not been shown to keep any of his wingmen alive. Hell, one can give the same criticisms of Sylvan to Dayton as well.

>>3020461
>Sylvan was a Knight.
Admittedly the House was suffering from a shortage of Knights at the time he was made one.
>>3020535
But continuing with that, it wasn't unusual for Houses to have Light Cruiser squadrons full of lower ranked knights commanded by a more capable leader. You still had to prove your worth before a House was going to hand you the keys to a +12 million S starship.

Dayton saw enough action for his own tastes and decided to become a training unit commander. He was fairly good at it for the most part so they kept him there.

Sylvan wanted to keep trying out new things and volunteered for more dangerous duties. Eventually becoming a very capable in the use of cloaked ships. In time he wasn't given a choice in assignments, finally being ordered to pass on his skills to cloaked battleship crews.

"Fair enough." you reply. "You've proven you're a damn good pilot. But keep in mind that becoming a Knight is not given, it's earned. You'll have to get through some training then I'll set you up with some land on Rioja."

Windsor holds up his hands to slow you down.
"Being Knighted is a last resort. My family lands are the priority. If you put in the effort to at least try to help me out I'll agree to your terms."

"Fine, but if open conflict breaks out you'll be fighting alongside my fleet."

It seems that's agreed to. Windsor promises to wait until Mike's ships are closer to Robrinaan to ensure the rebels cant send a force to retake the base before reinforcement arrive. If it looks as though anyone local might try to raise support for the rebels locally he'll move sooner. He'll also order the local fuel reserves topped off.

Any other orders for him? Robrinaan is only a short hop from Gesaur so it should be possible to ship in specialist supplies from House Nirium since he's on good terms with them.

>>3020840
Actually, does he know anyone else in his position who would be willing to side with us?

IDK man, we own the Space lanes, so unless Nirium can give us more troops I'm kind of meh about it.

Don't have to go to work until 5 Sunday so hopefully that will mean time to make some progress.

>>3020840
>Robrinaan is only a short hop from Gesaur so it should be possible to ship in specialist supplies from House Nirium since he's on good terms with them.
Do they offer dedicated drone carriers at this point? If they are selling something that would allow us to jam communications between the core worlds and the rest of the house, that would come in pretty handy too.

>>3020840
>specialist supplies from House Nirium
Maybe some Drone starfighters? Reserve our pilots until it's absolutely essential to deploy them.

>>3020840
Plasma Corvettes?

>>3020862
Wait, the rebels are short on Capital ships, yes.

Let us get some more of those to press our advantage.

>>3023680
The incomplete Qlippoth that was evacuated from Loran has arrived at Alaior and is undergoing work to finish its refit. Alex hopes to have it mostly operational by the time your fleet arrives.

>>3023680
There was a suggestion to purchase a BC Carrier or one of its variants last thread. You have about 8.8 Billion S available at the moment, but keep in mind some of that may be needed to stabilize Rioja's economy if things go sideways.

https://houseanddominion.wikia.com/wiki/BC_Heavy_Carrier

Keep in mind the listed berths are only for standard and attack corvettes. Assault Corvettes are too big to make use of them.
BC Heavy Carrier [Bonrah] (192 berths) = 1.7b
BCB Carrier [Bonrah](240 berths)= 2.043b
BCE [Ceres] (256 berths)= 1.99b Highest corvette capacity
BCW [Ceres] (192 berths)= 2.07b Best logistics capacity, can repair Frigates & some light cruisers. Maybe even some battleships.

Expect possible price markups with acquisition on short notice.

1) Acquire one?
1A) BC
1B) BCB
1C) BCE
1D) BCW
1E) None / The Qlippoth will be enough

2) Roll 1d100 for test squadron prototype availability

Rolled 61 (1d100)

>>3023769
>BCW [Ceres] (192 berths)= 2.07b Best logistics capacity, can repair Frigates & some light cruisers. Maybe even some battleships.

Rolled 61 (1d100)

>>3023769

Can we ask Nirrium to loan one of their heavy carriers and attended fleet? Or would that cost more then to buy any of the current heavy carriers?

If that's not possible, then if we can buy any of these ships and have them available to us in the homeworlds within a week.

>BCW [Ceres] (192 berths)= 2.07b Best logistics capacity, can repair Frigates & some light cruisers. Maybe even some battleships.

Otherwise buying one and waiting for it to be shipped to us would likely take a lot of time in which case.

>1E) None / The Qlippoth will be enough (And our own heavy will be enough)

Rolled 76 (1d100)

>>3023784
Supporting

>>3023784
>Can we ask Nirrium to loan one of their heavy carriers and attended fleet?
You'd be buying from Ceres or whoever produces the Bonrah built carriers.

As for convincing Nirium to lend you a fleet, that would mean a considerable commitment to another Houses internal politics. If you were in their sphere of influence and on good to very terms with them, then yes you could.

J-D is currently Ber'helum aligned and has taken some standing hits with Nirium, especially between Sonia and Nirium due to some political slights. To reverse that and get enough of their support to intervene would require substantial guarantees that your House would back them politically for the foreseeable future.

Most members of the Seven would expect similar things to get involved. That is if they didn't use it as justification to get their hands on Alex's shipyard first. If you welcomed the forces of another House into your territory the Ruling House would be unable to offer protection against them. You'd have brought it upon yourself.

>>3023855

Ah, then that would be a no asking them to loan a carrier, got it. And asking B'H to send a fleet would have similar ties as well? Though in my perfect world, I'd ask for B'H to send a heavy carrier and fleet to guard Alex's yard to make sure none of the seven decided to claim it as their own. And to make it clear to the rebels if they attack Aliaor and those yards they'll be in a terrible position because the R'H is there.

>>3023855
Yeah no.

But I'd be super happy buying stuff.
>>3023868

> Though in my perfect world, I'd ask for B'H to send a heavy carrier and fleet to guard Alex's yard to make sure none of the seven decided to claim it as their own.

The Emperor already said that was their plan if things looked shaky.

>>3023784
>(And our own heavy will be enough)
Sonia doesn't have access to any heavy ships, besides that Qlippoth at the moment, I think.

>>3023769
>Keep in mind the listed berths are only for standard and attack corvettes. Assault Corvettes are too big to make use of them.
Ceres is also building their own cage class carrier with assault corvette berths. Would it be possible to replace something like half the attack corvette berths with them even if it lowers overall repair capacities due to their increased size? Or is Sonia's fleet and J-D in general still using enough attack corvettes for these carriers to be useful? Could the kharbos corvette make use of the repair facilities on them or are they too large too?

>Alex
Is his mobile shipyard currently building anything we could commandeer on short notice?

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>>3024285
>Ceres is also building their own cage class carrier with assault corvette berths.
Yes but it costs a lot more and its dedicated corvette capacity is much lower due to its focus on a wide variety of ship classes. Its corvette berths are assault corvette sized which is another reason numerical capacity is lower.
The Cage also has additional structural reinforcement so that it wont fly apart like paper if it takes a hit.

Mixing and matching a BC Carrier or one of its variants to take half assault corvettes would make it suddenly not cheap. It would also require a redesign of the underlying hull, so added cost there.

>Or is Sonia's fleet and J-D in general still using enough attack corvettes for these carriers to be useful?
Yes the House still fields a substantial number of attack corvettes. Many of those squadrons have been upgraded to mixed squadrons but still.

>Could the kharbos corvette make use of the repair facilities on them or are they too large too?
They're an Assault corvette that can be upgraded to a Frigate. They'll need assault corvette berths.

>Is his mobile shipyard currently building anything we could commandeer on short notice?
Short answer: no.

>>3024285
>>3024598

There is the Neeran Compact Heavy Cruiser which we hardly ever use or think about because it isn't a big named ship. Unless it also deployed to the front with the other barons?

>>3023769
>1E) None / The Qlippoth will be enough
I would support getting a BCW eventually for Drake's and that other Baron's region to help strengthen the Houses position in the area but it doesn't seem like something we nees to get right now.

>>3024608
Right. Remaining heavy assets were shifted so that there would be 1 in each major area of the House. Daska bought the newer model Nexus. Avun's Talos Heavy remained in the Run. And the Compact Heavy was in the homeworlds. Xisoth should have that one, being situated in a more central location.

>Rolled 76
According to Winsor there was a Light Neeran built assault corvette being tested at Gesaur that was equipped with plasma cannons. Apparently the Alliance wanted to familiarize some Dominion crews with it. It's not available for loan unfortunately.
He couldn't even get a look at the newest Dominion assault corvette which rumor points to be called the Fire Drake. There seemed to be a lot of Republic and Rovinar personnel near that area.

The Royal Drive Yards are testing a type of long patrol Frigate or Destroyer borrowing many aspects from existing assault corvettes. They're meant to be built on a budget as a competitor of the Vulture. They're fairly nimble, performing like a more maneuverable attack cruiser.

A private shipyard has attempted to produce an upgrade of the Archerfish, using 4 larger engines instead of the mix of engine types of the original. The resultant structural changes mean that the two designs are almost unrelated. It's equipped with the same twin linked phase cannon and 10 missile launchers.

Interest in either of these at this time?

Rolled 11 (1d20)

3 votes for a BCW, 1 for holding off.

Normal cost would be 2.07 billion but due to the rush that amount may increase. Let's see how much more Ceres would charge. Rolling.

>>3024723
11% markup due to the rush, making the total cost of the BCW 2,297,700,000 S

Confirm purchase?
>Y/N?

>>3024713
The vulture competitor sounds interesting, same goes for the archerfish modification but I'm hesitant to put crews in untested ships. Get a 12 of each for trials.

>>3024729
>N
Do we even have the people required to crew the ship?

>>3024713
>He couldn't even get a look at the newest Dominion assault corvette which rumor points to be called the Fire Drake.
Interest yes.

>>3024748
>Do we even have the people required to crew the ship?
Yes from the capital ship crew reserves. You'd just have to move extra from the Run.

>>3024752
>Interest yes.
You're interested in the one that isn't available. This was predictable.

>>3024729

I'm only for it if it can be gotten over within the week so we can have it around the same time Alex gets in with the Qlippoth or before he deploys with it. So we have two heavy carriers on station to cover the homeworlds and make sure no one does something stupid.

If it takes a month or more to get in to the homeworlds we will likely have the situation in hand and not need it at that point.

>>3024873
>I'm only for it if it can be gotten over within the week
Yes it can be acquired within 6-10 days, hence the 11% markup for rushing it within that time span.

Anyways this will remain open:
[ ] BCW Heavy Carrier (Rushed = 2.2977 Billion S)
[ ] RDY Patrol Frigate
[ ] Archerfish II / Kingfisher


With the fleet away and Windsor looked after for the moment you turn your attention back to the larger issues. Fadila provides you with the latest updates.

"The Emergency Council is calling the launch of your fleet a provocative action."

"Are they really?"

"Yes. They would like clarification as to your intentions. Ostensibly to avoid any unintentional conflict."

"Well they're a bit late for that last part." You sigh, weary from the last few days. "Might as well let them know I'm still interested in talking."

Opening communications with the Emergency Council you inform them of your decision to continue negotiations, in person if necessary. You won't be returning to the capital with anything short of a full fleet backing you. Without that support in place it would only take a few in the new government deciding it might be easier to remove you out of the picture.
It would hardly be the first time a Baron or other noble had done this in history.

You also pass on the offer from the Ruling House to provide neutral ground for mediation if needed. The council seems reluctant to take up this offer, concerned it might be a trap set up between you and the Emperor. They will give it serious consideration though, and may look into alternate locations to hold talks.

The Council wishes to stick to their 6 main demands during negotiations, though they may be willing to curtail some of these in a few areas. One they will be most resistant to changing is number five on the list.

Soldiers, PDF and others who assisted the revolution will be granted immunity for acts related to the change in government.

Right now we'll be trying to build up options that will be used in a survey once ideas have been compiled.

One of the requirements Sonia will put forth is demanding the release of the old Dremine Council members being held by the rebels. Other hostages as well. Or at least that's what I've been seeing people post this thread.

Would this be a prerequisite to further negotiations?
Used as a bargaining chip?

>>3024999
>Claiming provocation at our fleet deployment.

I can't fault them for thinking that. But I'd rather have the fleet on hand then to walk into the lions den expecting nothing to go wrong. But if they want us to work with them, they need to trust us. Otherwise, their little 'emergency council' and the government they want to set up. Is going to be a hassel to the house moving forward.

>Weary of meeting in B'H consulate

Now they are being ridiculously stupid. Yes, we have ties to the Emperor, but if these dumb asses knew anything about the big picture. They would know that B'H doesn't deal into other houses politics.

>Soldiers, PDF and others who assisted the revolution will be granted immunity for acts related to the change in government.

That will be determined by the courts. Lots of people, civilians and nobles were hurt in their coup. They need to take responsability for their fucking actions.
"We conducted a coup! So now you all have to abide by it and agree we are immune for our actions!"
Fuck off you cunts. Ask for forgiveness first.

>>3024999
>[Y] RDY Patrol Frigate

>Soldiers, PDF and others who assisted the revolution will be granted immunity for acts related to the change in government.
I'd be willing to go with this within limits. If their actions caused severe damage to the House, for example, resulting in the leak of secrets of the state, they'll have to answer for it. But below that I'd be willing to go with their demands.

Has the Emergency Council said anything about how they're planning to convince the returning soldiers to trust their comrades who forced a coup d'etat while most of our armay was away?

>>3025037
>Would this be a prerequisite to further negotiations?
They already killed one half of the House's government when they shot the Count, so it would only be fair if they made sure the other half is not getting shot by releasing the Council.

>>3025043
>>3025110
Have the level of immunity as its own question then probably, with certain things that could still be held against them by tier.

Alternate idea, their immunity is dependent upon the safe release of the council/hostages.

>>3025138
>Alternate idea, their immunity is dependent upon the safe release of the council/hostages.
That seems like a decent idea. If they let the old council go, the emergency council gets immunity from the charge of treason with the limitations specified under 5.1).

>>3025138

Anyone not a noble or a knight, will receive whatever judicial punishment the courts decide for following orders, however wrong. So immunity from other nobles taking action them.

Knights and nobles should not receive any immunity. They should receive whatever they have coming from them. Since no one authorized or gave them permission to conduct such action. If they want any immunity, the better ask for forgiveness of those they have wronged.

>immunity upon release of hostages/ council
Give this as an out for the emergency council. But the knights and nobles who acted shouldn't receive any immunity for their actions.

>>3025168
No immunity for Knights/Nobles.
Judicial punishment for soldiers, PDF, militia. (No actual treason charge.)

>Give this as an out for the emergency council. But the knights and nobles who acted shouldn't receive any immunity for their actions.
Even if there are still knights and nobles on the emergency council as temporary members who took part?

>>3025209

>Even if there are still knights and nobles on the emergency council as temporary members who took part?

I am conflicted, but as I grit my teeth. So long as they don't take advantage of it? So long as they do not suddenly start swapping council members to protect people who they know are guilty and deserve all they have coming to them... yes. The so called "emergency council" will be replaced once this situation is over anyways. Unless their plan is to stay in power after this is resolved, which would not surprise me.

>Council
The rebels have demanded that the Dremine council be replaced or expanded to include representatives from each world. It would effectively act like a Senate.

Reinstate old Council
Expand old Council with members from distant regions
Expand old Council with some elected members from distant worlds
New Council, members chosen from each world by nobility/Count
New Council, members elected from each world

Other options?

Related but separate question: Barons get their own Council

>>3025233
>Other options?
A bicameral system where the old Council is reinstated and a new one with members chosen from each world implemented alongside?

>Barons get their own Council
Do they need that? At the end of the day, the councils can decide whatever they want, without the backing of the barons they're not going to get much done.

>>3025233
>New Council

I think, new members should be choosen by the people. Not just the general population as a whole. God, imagine having Terrans vote for representatives on Rioja?! No, I think if a person served in the House military or government in a meaningful way. They get the ability to choose/ vote who they want to represent their world on the Council and it is up to the Planetary Governor and Baron of those worlds to give the final word. This way the people give their word on the choices of people they want to represent them. And the Planetary Governor/ Baron can see what choices would work best from what the people want and who would work best to further their worlds prosperity. Council members should be members of the nobility, with some experince in either the armed forces or something that gives them experince in working with both civilians and military.

Other Options

No, if individual Barons want to institute a council on their worlds. That is up to them. We should not force them to start making their own council. That would just add more paperwork and slow down decision making. Especially if there is a particular member of the council who is an ass hole who does not agree with either the Baron or Planetary Governor on anything. The Baron/ Planetary Governor combo works fine.

>>3025260
>Do they need that?
It's an option that was suggested. That way the Barons could select who the next Count would be. Though it would undermine the other council.

>>3025291
Middle class and higher could vote for a council member.
That will probably go under a separate question.

>Council members should be members of the nobility
Easy enough since that's how it works at present.

Have to get ready for work! Should be back by 11-ish.

>>3025233
The arrest of the group that fired upon and destroyed those RTS ships.

The only thing we should be negotiation over is how to handle their corpses once we've killed them. There is no negotiating with these people. I am hugely disappointed in anyone who argues for actually talking with these people

>>3025418
Actually, this. Vaporise them and Count Reynard now.

>>3024729
Y

>>3025233
>Expand old Council with some elected members from distant worlds
>New Council, members chosen from each world by nobility/Count

Combine these. Let them elect candidates, then the Nobles have to select from those candidates who to put on the Council.

If they're worried about the nobles influencing it, all they have to do is not elect terrible people.

>>3025138
> Alternate idea, their immunity is dependent upon the safe release of the council/hostages.

This is what I have been pushing for, for multiple threads.

If they're willing to compromise, fine. I don't want to spend critical lives just to take theirs.

Side note, regarding the fleet, since we have yet to make an agreement they should be preparing for it to fail same as we are.

We should publicly chastise them if they criticize us, as leaders they should be willing to do no less. We've already and immediately put down several billion of our own money to fix this. What are they spending personally, not in the case of losing but in case they win.

>>3025233
>New Council, members chosen from each world by nobility/Count
>New Council, members elected from each world
A mix of these two. The candidates on the ballot will be chosen and pre selected by nobles. The people are free to choose who they like best.

>>3025418
>>3025513
That is an option I will be certain to include.

>No Immunity. Treason and executions for everyone.

>>3026755
>Side note, regarding the fleet, since we have yet to make an agreement they should be preparing for it to fail same as we are.
Vanderwal is working on trying to acquire intelligence on the situation on the ground and with their fleets. It's proving difficult as much of the intel being acquired is suspect.

"House Intel as an organisation may be trying to remain neutral so that the rebels dont try to wipe them out. Most of their public facilities are on Dremine and those locked themselves down shortly after the Count was killed. I think some of their black sites in and around the capital were attacked, but not by the rebels."

"Rival Houses?" you ask.

"Possible. Nasidum or a few Bonrah survivor groups might have the resources but I'd be willing to bet money on one of the other Factions. Maybe the Rovinar. You said they had a deal with Count Jerik? If he's dead the deal might be off."

You really really hope it wasn't the Terrans.

>>3027149
> Maybe the Rovinar. You said they had a deal with Count Jerik? If he's dead the deal might be off."

We should get them to accept us as a valid replacement in order to show that we have not external backing, but interfactional reputation and economic access.

>>3027149
Also I meant this as much as a justification for the military build up.

Let the rebels know that we aren't letting them stall in negotiations.

>>3027332
Or we could not legitimice them and kill them for murdering our friend who trusted us.

>>3027469
Yeah.

Later. Not when we have a civil war to avoid. We have responsibilities that go past our personal relationships.

>>3027149
>"Possible. Nasidum or a few Bonrah survivor groups might have the resources but I'd be willing to bet money on one of the other Factions. Maybe the Rovinar. You said they had a deal with Count Jerik? If he's dead the deal might be off."
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1806647/#p1842080

>>3027857
Yes that is what It was referring to. No, Vanderwal isn't privy to the contents of every deal the Count makes after you passed on the message.

Shanta Filippi turns out to have more readily available intelligence on the Reformist Coalition and their fleet. She returns after making a few calls.

It's true they were hoping to capture ships from the home fleets or suborn a number of crews into supporting them. They had also been working on building up a number of private warships. Those working in south reach had been investing in a joint Dominion SRL battleship program that a number of Houses had contributed to.

"Just what the Dominion needs, another type of battleship." you roll your eyes. "Don't the Fast Battleships, Cloaked Battleships, Athena's and LRBS II's take up enough of the market share?"

"Don't forget the bombardment and ECM types." Adds Rufaro.

"Yes, exactly."

Filippi shrugs. "Perhaps it was meant to replace the Athena due to problems with Aries? The Reformists acquired a number of Lambda Class Expanded Battleships. It can be equipped with the same modules as the Athena or with Heron bow sections."

Wait, multiple Heron bow sections? That could make them a pocket medium! The Athena was already bad enough in that regard.

"Do you know how many?" asks Vanderwal.

"At least twelve should be in the homeworlds. I heard Baron L'ak Tenni was looking at acquiring some for her fleet once she found out about them."

Have to leave for work.

>>3028380
Still well with in manageable parameters. Also we can probably out pay any Mercs they get by just offering more money.

>>3027149
Is there anything we can do to help intel out?

>>3028380
The wiki says these are more or less budget athenas. Nothing we should ignore but not super scary either.

>>3028380

So overwhelming firepower to negate their presence? Sounds like something we already have in spades and as soon as Alex and Saputo jump in. Will ensure any Reformist fleet is routed and forced to surrender, if they decide they want to get into a brawl and then lose spectacularly in.

>>3028380
So we're working on the assumption of the Rebels only having access to light enough fleets with the exception of those possible pocket mediums they may or may not have. To be quite honest the biggest danger we would have is the assault corvettes and the Homeworlds stockpile of SP torps. While I wouldn't place my hopes on it, I believe if they do use the Heron sections it may be possible it would be quite possibly as weak as a lance class.

Quite frankly we should be able to take this with just the Rioja fleet, but I would be more comfortable with having a couple other Barons with us for this campaign. We should also send our commandoes to secure the stockpiles and the GP production lines as well.

>>3011414
>Start reading the summary
>It's all really cool and just makes me want to read the whole threads more

I ONLY HAVE SO MUCH FREE TIME

>>3011412
Is me, btw

>>3028485
Plus whatever Mediums they got hold of from Saputo's fleet and EBON.

>>3029442

Reading over EBON it doesn't seem to threatening. Yeah, it's another Medium in their fleet in addition to their 12 pocket medium. And whatever actual mediums they have that aren't tied down playing cat and mouse.

Would it be a standing hit if we destroyed our houses own flag ship? Or did enough damage to it that it would need to be put into dock?

Hm, I would also guess we would have to contend with whatever planetary fighters/ bombers are present on Dremine as well. If we decide to go blow up the Reformist ships.

>Leadership
The House will need a new Count to represent itself. Traditionally the old Dremine Council would select a new Count.

Some of these options are fairly dependent upon what would be voted for in terms of
>>3025233


Old council elects
New council elects
Barons elect
If 2 councils both have to agree
either council must agree with Barons

Other options to be added?

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I feel like I'm missing an important question on there, but it's not springing to mind.

SURVEY!

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I am begging ya'll. Dont give in to these people. We can overcome them. They hold no military power worth mentioning. They are murderers and traitors and at lest the leadership requires execution. Likewise lets not change the house Into to much of a democeacy. On lower levels it is fine but not on the level of them getting to choose governors.

I'm begging y'all. Remember that a vulnerable house falls, that most of our forces are away, and that there's a war on. Remember that many of our houses property was very recently acquired, and can easily be lost.

Remember our duty to the living, to build a brighter future not burn it for revenge.

Ask for what's reasonable, and for what will build a house that's stronger in the future so that what happened with the revolution doesn't happen again.

Incoming word pasta.

These reformists are murderous traitors. Who believe if things are not going the way they want, you have to correct it by force. Striking when House leadership is weakest, when House military is away. They've deposed the old council on claims of corruption. Killed the Count, and claimed he was killed resisting arrest and claimed he was corrupt. Despite all he had done for the house. As if slapping a claim of corruption makes murdering the Head of House and okay standard to set.

These are but the actions of blind self-righteous knights and opportunistic nobles. Who would rather flip the table instead of playing the game properly. You do not change the way a house works over night with a coup. Not unless you have most of the military and Barons behind you.

Right now, if we were to strike, with the aid of Saputo and Alex. Yeah, we could crush whatever resistance these reformists can offer. But we already know that L'ak Tenni would be for these reforms. Giving these reformists one Baron to their cause. Avun is likely to sit this out, as she and her knights owed their loyalty to the count and with his death, she could either stick around for whoever comes next or turn to another house. Daska has family who are on the core worlds and likely being held hostage and against her. Making her either tied down unable to do anything or forced to retaliate against us if we force the reformists into battle. Nelodym is in former Erid territories, keeping the nobles there calmed down. But if House J-D devolves into civil war. They could very well break off from J-D taking this opportunity of weakness to regain their own independence from J-D.

Our rivals and enemies are watching us. They may be unable to act openly and fight us due to the Ruling Houses protection. But who is to say they will not pick us apart and give support to former Erid territories reforming into House Erid? Or convince Avun to join them?

And if that was not enough, the god damn blood Seven and the Ruling House have warned us if J-D enters a civil war. They will be forced to take action in the Avoubic system. To "protect" the yards that produce the Mobile Heavy Yards. Meaning if any of the Seven were to act to "protect" those yards, House J-D will never get those yards or that system back, ever. Thus, depriving Alex of a system to base his fleet out of and us a powerful military advantage. Alex is now also aware of this and if he is smart, he would be loath to conduct any military action that would endanger his own world.

>>3029912
And stuck in the middle of this is us, Viscount Reynard. We and many others put a lot of hard work into building up House J-D, some even losing their lives in the process. And then these shits lords come in because they do not like the way the game is played currently. To say we are pissed off, would be the understatement of the century. Compared to the shit we had to put up with to get here. Their little temper tantrum over a recession for a few months and a few corrupt officials. Would seem like an ant hill next to a mountain.

We've had plenty of valid opportunities to conduct our own little revolt. But we never struck, because we understood that the safety and stability of the House came first. These opportunistic reformists, have shown through their actions in conducting a coup, that they care not for the future of House J-D. Their claims for doing this reek of being petulant children and opportunistic nobles seeing nothing but profit.

Right now, we have two choices. Fight and remove these reformists and plunge the house into a civil war that will cause us and House J-D to lose a vast majority of the gains we have made or the last several decades.

Or

Grit our teeth and get the House back to a stabilized setting. Which unfortunately means we have to work with these reformist fucks. We do not have to like working with them and in fact the moment the House is stabilized we can conduct the most brutal of subterfuge and denial of service and ostracizing of these knights and nobles. That will make it impossible for these reformists to do anything without our approval.

The name of this thread and the last several threads is "For House & Dominion: Building Better Worlds" and we've done that, not just these last few threads, but over the last few years. Do we throw away all we have worked on since 2011? Or do we make the best of a shit hand and make House J-D better than it has ever been, so that it is no longer recognized as House J-D but as House Reynard?

>>3029915
> Grit our teeth and get the House back to a stabilized setting. Which unfortunately means we have to work with these reformist fucks. We do not have to like working with them and in fact the moment the House is stabilized we can conduct the most brutal of subterfuge and denial of service and ostracizing of these knights and nobles. That will make it impossible for these reformists to do anything without our approval.

Nobody said the Good option was going to be the Easy one.

But yeah. Lets seize power.

Support their initiatives initially, then underfund and obstruct them - so many ways to do this from setting impossible standards to bogging it down in reviews in the name of "fairness", excessively allowing complaints in the interest of "equal representation of both sides" and then use the ultimate failure of their initiatives as justification for removing them.

Sonia for Count! That was what I forgot!

>>3029996
Just assume everyone votes yes for that.

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>>3029996
C O U N T

R E Y N A R D

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>>3030004

10th question added: in the event negotiations break down.

Response editing is on.

>>3029996
This is going to be one of these shit decisions people vote for but then nobody actually wants to play multi planet budget manger 4000 while juggling 10 billion different interest groups.

>>3030014
Indeed.

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>>3030004
I got more

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>>3030012
Is go Pirate an option?

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>>3030023
I posted the last one so I could post this one.

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>>3030004
Man, I gotta introduce you to Tymoshenko Yulia.

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>>3030004

>>3030032

>>3030014
>>3030014
I agree with what the Count Jerik said originally, Sonia wouldn't enjoy the politics, but it'd be a nice promotion and I always figured that with us heading off to fight the Neeran and recover treasure, we'd appoint an actual head of house and step down once things had been steered in the right course.

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>>3030033
Ask and Anime will provide.

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>>3030037
What about Troy?

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>>3030004
Friendly reminder that Sonia is
>that 35 year old boomer
now.

>>3030023
>Is go Pirate an option?
Not really? Not unless you plan to leave Rioja behind. If you engaged in piracy as opposed to just attacking one particular House/part of a House you'd quickly be declared an outlaw. Several dozen Houses would then try to capture your very valuable assets.

>>3030037
Hence the Count (Temporary) option.

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>>3030041
Friendly reminder that we have the best cosmetic surgeons and a healthy lifestyle.

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>>3030043
Legend of Koizumi is a great trove of this stuff.

>>3030042
>Hence the Count (Temporary) option.
I voted for it.

>>3030041
*sips* Yep, the House Standard Corvette was a good ship.

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>>3030045
Alright, last one.

Time for bed.

>>3030042
Didn't that one Warlord make a House? Let's join him.

Then conquer JD.

>>3030046
The standard corvette was never good.

>>3030050
>Didn't that one Warlord make a House?
Several Warlords have.

>>3030056
The Vengeance Type Attack Cruiser, *sips* THAT was a good ship.

Makes me wonder what Sonia likes to drink.

>Combine split the House and avoid conflict until Barons return and join Ber'helum.
If you join another House it's not going to get undone easily. You'd be choosing a diplo annex option.

>>3030078
Better to see us wrapped us into ber'helum than to see all we have worked for break up due to the murderous temper tantrum of spoiled little shits. Better to plunge Into a short and bloody civil war than to allow them to actually win and gain from this.

I'm quite frankly surprised that nobody just decided to send our special forces to just take the Leadership down and rescue the council.

>>3030136
I figured most people wanted to see Sonia pull the trigger, which is why we're going to Dremine with a full fleet.

>>3030137
I mean that's all well and good till stuff from the house gets Nationalized by the Seven and we're left in a worse position.

Unless of course we pull off something like what we did on Surakeh.

>>3030144
I figured we could do it Erid style and just quietly take them all out and then move in to stabilize the situation.

>>3030169
There's like.

A whole rebellion. Normal citizens have gotten involved including the Merchants.

Things have sadly gone too far for a quiet decapitation strike.

>>3030195
Yes. Now we blockade the planet and just give them an ultimatum. Give up their rebel leadership or we invade with over 2 million battle hardened soldiers.

>Haven't run anyone over with the forklift.
Has that changed yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpwLCvPAME