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>Friends in High Places

You know a thing or two about sailing and navigation, but as to actual carpentry and ship construction? Well, you did some carpentry at grade school and you've redone the guts of some forestry equipment ages ago, but the course you took just covered the basics, so you're hardly an expert in the subject just yet.

However, that's not to say you don't know an expert. Your carpentry teacher, Archmaester Ruger likely knows more about the subject than any other in the realm. Of course, your relationship was merely that of a teacher and a pupil, but you can definitely get his ear if you need to.

Still, getting his ear isn't enough. You need to persuade him as well, but you've already got that part figured out. You've set out on constructing an item that would no doubt make him the envy of his peers and colleagues. A Printing Press with movable letters. State of the art piece of technology for the era, no doubt.

This might end up costing you some money, but the money saved by his expertise and connections in the project will more than make up for it. The First thing you need to do is scribble up your work order, commission the parts you don't intend to make yourself and start scrounging up some specialized tools for the task at your workshop for making uniform lettering. Without such equipment, it will require an artisan to reproduce the quality of blocks you seek and quite honestly, you are way too lazy to put in that much effort for each block.

After drafting up some designs in your workshop, the labor begins. Simple design for sure, few parts that can fail, but you needed to hire a carpenter to handle part of the job. Still, it was little different from wine presses they made occasionally, so they did sort of know their stuff to a sufficient degree. With minor modifications to that design you'd have your printing press.

Of course, things rarely go as simply as they seem in the planning stage.

>Give me 4d6, time to give that alchemy table a spin.

Rolled 4, 3, 6, 4 = 17 (4d6)

>>2342481

Rolled 4, 5, 1, 6 = 16 (4d6)

>>2342481
Rolling.

Rolled 3, 1, 4, 1 = 9 (4d6)

>>2342481

Rolled 3, 5, 3, 1 = 12 (4d6)

>>2342481

Rolled 1, 6, 6, 3 = 16 (4d6)

>>2342481

Speak of ship names how about "The Flying Reachman"?

God yes I love Connecticut Yankee in King Arthurs court style quests.

Speaking of, depending on how fast word of mouth and printed materials travel, dropping the invention of the printing press in a pseudo medieval world like GOT is going to make us moderately famous. If we continue to drop such innovations were going to be very famous. I hope that pans out for the better.

Also so we're not so proficient at carpentry. From what I gather are we going to attempt to build a primitive steam engine for our boat? How good are we at specific knowledges like pneumatics, hydraulics and pipe forging?

>>2343214
This made me chuckle. I like it.

>>2343214
Though people would likely just call it the reachman or some other derogatory.

>>2343214
I agree.

>>2343323
You'd need to design an entire ship around a steam engine and you currently lack the tools to make such large parts.

But as to hydraulics, pneumatics and making custom parts for heavy machinery, you do know a fair bit, it's just that there's a tool for every job in that regard and you don't have any large equipment.

>>2343362
Very good.

That will be tremendously useful. It feels like we have lots of other little miracles to drop in when we need influence or maybe money. I can see us getting a lot of clout simply for showing the tin-canning process.

>>2343350
Not after we shred ironborn ships like wrapping paper on christmas.

>>2343443
I think we should be concerned not about open battle, which we should be able to win, but about the risk of being ambushed at night by their longships which is probably the more likely if hostilities open up. Cannons won't be of much help if they're already roped and trying to board.

The ship we design should be based on the Stormlands/Westerlands War Galley.

It should have a tall hull, as much as feasibly possible while still being seaworthy, to make it difficult for most longships and low hulled ships to board. Then we only have to worry about the big and scary ironborn ships which we hopefully will be able to outpace or outgun.

Depending on how much clout we get, we might even consider one day upgrading to a true ironclad ship. Doesn't even have to be thick iron plating, just thin enough to stop flaming arrows and maybe ballista bolts.

>>2343487
You don't need to waste iron to achieve that effect.
18th century wooden ships could deflect cannonballs depending the size of the gun and the type of ship.

>>2343487
Were currently going for are schooner type. This gives us actual good speed and enough space to stick on a decent amount of cannons.

While the nighttime boarding point is good, I disagree with doing an outdated design of ship. Rather, we solve the issue of boarding with swivel-mounted gun emplacements (small grapeshot cannon) and bunkers on deck (wooden structure to house gunners who have a full fov of the entire deck. Thus, the enemy will have to go through the meatgrinder to get on board in the first place, after which he will have to break down a reinforced door under gunfire (maybe add another blunderbuss emplacement at the door to really hammer home the point).

The thing is that we are rather easily boardable, but the problem is getting there without being kill. And not even the ironborn armor can stop a volley of musketfire.

As to surprise attacks, if we drill our men (which we will rigorously) this should not be a problem. And if it does become a concern, we can always sail out to the open ocean to be safe. Something the ironborn will be hard pressed to do.

>>2343536
Yes, but Ironclad has that ring andthe effect of seeing such a monstrosity coming for you is really demoralizing.

But yes, probably better to make it out of wood and use the iron for more cannons.

>>2343539
Schooner is a very loose definition by the way.

>>2343589
But different from a frigate or a galley.

Btw, next update when? Craving for more content.

>>2343617
A good way to sate your cravings is to do hard drugs. Takes your mind right off it.

>>2343617
I could post now if I liked, but then you wouldn't have any prewritten choices, so I won't.

>>2343589
How good are the various navies of the world at sailing against the wind?

>>2343634
Doesnt that mean you throw away most of the options when we choose something else?

>>2343647
No, it means you don't have to do a write-in if you don't want to.
It's relatively difficult to come up with choices when you're sick.

>>2343636
Pretty good considering most of them use oar powered coastal vessels.

>>2343656
Right, forgot about that. But otherwise? If we are talking about sailing.

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Purify, Measure, Mix, Test, Record, Rinse, Repeat.

Work on figuring out the proper alloy for the letters was tedium, but a man such as you knew well enough the methods of testing the quality of your material he was working with quick and easily. Rather a necessary skill to learn when working on industry that insists on trying to throw cheap chinesium alloys at you every opportunity it gets in an attempt to cut corners.

The Goal was to make a Lead Alloy of sufficient hardness and purity to allow you to cast all the letter blocks you need with relatively little effort, thus saving you time and money in the end. Elsewise, you'd be unable to reach sufficient detail in casting, save resorting to some rather expensive measures.

> 17 + Good tools and alchemy training
> Breddy good

It took weeks to find an alloy that showed promise and weeks from that to figure out the ratios, ending to a finished product.
In the end however, with a lot of effort and methodical search, you managed to reach a lead/tin alloy that was at least for your purposes sufficient. Still, you can't exactly afford years of testing it's hardness, so time will tell how it handles under wear and tear.
You doubt it'll hold as good as the real thing, but it's still more than adequate first step.

Two different types of lead were required asides tin, those who did not practice alchemy and made proper notes on everything they did would no doubt fall short on figuring out the difference between the two metals.

> Antimony discovered!
> Type Metal Alloy discovered!

Whole process took you little over two months to achieve, from making the tools for creating identical molds at your leisure to the specialized casting tools to allow you to produce more letters on demand and at your leisure to ultimately the finished product.

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You Marvel at your works for a while, the immaculate craftsmanship of the carpenters, the leatherwork on the beaters and naturally, the snug fit of the letterwork, the screw all oiled up and ready to go. On the side, there were an engraved Brass Plate polished to a mirror finish.

'The First Movable Type printing press. Designed and manufactured by Ser Arthur Tallon in 283AC as a gift for Archmaester Ruger.'

It's almost a shame you have to give it away, but then again, you were growing tired of this project. It was worth it in the end, but by god, you can understand why it took a while for the press to actually catch on. You KNEW what you were going for and still felt like giving up at times on the alloy.
Still, that's all in the past now.

Now, it's time for the sales pitch.

The Citadel was a marvelous construct, a veritable fortress in and of itself, sort of reminiscent of a monastery, if a tad heavily fortified one with many forms of tools around the grounds in the various workshops. If they weren't used for learning, the Citadel could make a tidy profit providing for the city with them.
Within the bowels of the Citadel, there was the library, which was jealously guarded by the order.

Acolytes like you had limited access, Novices were not allowed in at all and had to make do with what material their teachers deigned to give them to copy. Of course, such material was sufficient to earn one's first links so as long as you put in the effort, it wasn't a huge problem.

You made your way to the carpenter workshop they had set up on the citadel grounds. They even had a sawmill setup there, though there wasn't enough wind to power it right now.

Archmaester Ruger was looming behind the backs of his pupils, carefully watching and examining their work as the novices and acolytes were working on their projects, sawing, measuring, filing, planing and applying coats, each doing their own thing.

You had decided to...
> Invite him to a dinner, hoping to levy his expertise in exchange for a printing press. Such matters ought to be handled discreetly.
> Invite him to a party which you've decided to hold in honor of your invention. This will take time and money, but will certainly increase your fame.
> Something else: Write In

>>2343665
>Invite him to a dinner, hoping to levy his expertise in exchange for a printing press. Such matters ought to be handled discreetly.

Also kek at chinesium.

>>2343665
>money
> Invite him to a party which you've decided to hold in honor of your invention. This will take time and money, but will certainly increase your fame.

might as well be known as a nikola tesla or einstein

this will allow us to use this fame in the future

>>2343669
I would rather we keep low until we have our own island on which to do our stuff securely, instead of every Maester and their mother wanting to take a look at what we are building at the docks.

I can however understand why we would want some fame to persuade the King to give us an island. How about we stay low until we have our shit built and before we set off, do a big expo or something?

>>2343665
>> Invite him to a party which you've decided to hold in honor of your invention. This will take time and money, but will certainly increase your fame.

>>2343672
This and we could invent a few more things to present in that expo

>>2343681
And like the letters, we can keep the crucial secret to make it work/economically viable to ourselves. Lots of interest in our works and many potential buyers too. Give out free samples of "Spirits" and figure out some other entertainment. Mill-powered marry-go-round?

>>2343665
>>2343669
>Invite him to a dinner, hoping to levy his expertise in exchange for a printing press. Such matters ought to be handled discreetly.

Changing vote to this since we can have the party later anyways

>>2343668
>>2343672
>>2343694

I'll start writing I guess

>>2343665
>money
> Invite him to a party which you've decided to hold in honor of your invention. This will take time and money, but will certainly increase your fame.

>>2343743
2 late famalam

>dinner
[1/2]

"Archmaester Ruger, do you have a moment?"
"I am working Arthur, what is it?"
"I'd like to have a chat with you about a certain project I've been working on after work. Perhaps over a nice dinner out in the town? I know this great place which serves lamb on a red wine sauce like you wouldn't believe. I promise you won't regret it."
"Hmmm... very well. We'll meet after work then to discuss this project of yours. Still, you could always take more courses on carpentry if you are so interested in the subject."
"We shall talk more of it over dinner, I'll come pick you up after you finish."

Come evening, the two of you rode on the carriage you had rented. You don't know exactly what the correct etiquette in a scenario like this was, but you reckoned that if the burghers rode around in carriages, an Archmaester deserved at least as much respect, specially considering his age.

He was an old man, but not a shriveled one. All his hair had lost their color long ago, his blue eyes sunken deep into his wrinkly face made him look like a kindly old man when he wasn't wearing his mask.
Funny, you were almost the same age technically.

"So, which restaurant are you taking me?"
"I was thinking of the Emerald Court if you don't mind."
"Must be some project if you're willing to put this much effort to get my opinion on the matter."
"Yes, well, you could say that I'm planning on constructing a ship and I'd like to levy your skills as a shipwright towards that end."
"I see. That does sound like a fair bit of work. I'm afraid I won't really have time for that."
"We'll get to that. You never know, I may have a solution to that problem. Come, let us go eat."

The Restaurant was very fancy and upper class, serving only the best dishes that were available in the town.

"I'll have have the lamb rump on the redwine sauce with stewed vegetables."
"I'll take the duck with the flame grilled vegetables and beans."
"and for drink?"
"Bottle of Arbor Red ought to do."
"Very good. One moment please."

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[2/3]

After the waiter left, the discussion swayed back towards your project as you broke bread waiting your meals.
"So, what kind of ship you're planning on building a galley? Maybe even a Carrack?"
"Not quite. What do you know of Swan ships?"
"Ah. I can see now why you'd come to me. Sure enough, I'd be one of the few people in Westeros that'd know of such ship design. Fast things for sure, but helpless when becalmed."
"True enough. That is, unless you frigg with the design a bit."
"It's a tried and tested design. Sure, it has it's weaknesses, such as the difficulty of captaining it and the forementioned, but they are faster than other vessels."
"Well, I'd prefer they were faster still and I've some ideas on how to make that happen. Still, I've never actually built a ship before, so this will be a new one for me."
"And you need me to help with the design?"
"No, I need you to actually help organize the endeavour and provide me with research material from the vaults of the library. I can handle most of the design process, I just need you to tell me whether or not it can be built when I give you the plans."
"The Locked sections of the Library are for members of the order only. I don't see why I'd do that for you."
"How does being envied by your colleagues and peers sound like?"
"Go on."
"I have a gift for you waiting at my home. Item of such value to scholars that it could make a man in your position possibly the wealthiest or the most popular man in the citadel depending how you use it."
"What? An ancient manuscript from Old Valyria or something?"
"An item that can make even the rarest book nearly worthless if it's owner so desires. Trust me, it will be great! But lets finish eating first."
"I look forward to seeing it then."

After finishing the dinner the two of you drove at your place, Archmaester Ruger looked at your works in awe. The Concept itself was far from revolutionary itself, but the main problem was the letter blocks. Nearly all known substances would be either too expensive to produce or they'd simply wear down in use too fast.

Having a Printing press with interchangeable metal letters was a thing that was by no means easy thing to come across, but what you had was a complete and finished product with none of the problems shoddy inventions usually had.
It was rugged old-world craftsmanship that did it's job perfectly.

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"Excellent craftsmanship. Did you make this yourself?"
"Designed and assembled it, yes. Had to comission the wooden parts, but I did end up making the letterblocks and most metal parts for it, but it was a bitch and a half to get her smooching, I'll tell you that."
"And you'd willingly give it away after the work you put into it?"
"Well, I reckoned you lot at the citadel can put it to a better use than me, but nothing in life's free, so you know, you scratch my back, I scratch yours. Sound good?"
He smiles in the light of the lantern and runs his fingers across the brass plate where his name is located.
"I understand. We'll make sure your ship will be the finest vessel to ever touch water. You can count on me for that."
"Faantastic! So, where do you want it delivered?"
"My quarters at the Citadel ought to do. I'll not have an item such as this outside it's walls. I'll need to get a lockbox for the letters however."
"Would you like me to make you one?"
"Oh could you?"
"You scratch my back..."
"I scratch yours."
You pull out the remains of the bottle from the restaurant
"Toast for our partnership then."

> Congratulations you've got a friend on the conclave!
> Archmaester Ruger gains a Printing Press and a Masterwork Lockbox
> You've lost 12 Gold in buttering up an Archmaester! What a steal!

Oh, and give me 5d6

Rolled 2, 1, 1, 5, 2 = 11 (5d6)

>>2343809

Rolled 3, 2, 2, 3, 1 = 11 (5d6)

>>2343809

>>2343813
>>2343811
Are you kidding me

>>2343809

Rolled 2, 4, 1, 6, 1 = 14 (5d6)

>>2343809

Wow, only 13?
Good thing you didn't go at this on your own.

>>2343822
Mebby our ship wont sink like the Vasa? Please?

>>2343824
It just means you just wasted a month in testing models because your design was not feasible for construction.
Ruger, told you not to try and go through with that design because that's not how it'll work in real life.

>Failed Prototype
>+1 Bonus Dice to roll for Research

It's 6d6 now

Rolled 2, 4, 4, 4, 4, 1 = 19 (6d6)

>>2343830
Heres hoping for better.

Rolled 2, 2, 1, 6, 6, 4 = 21 (6d6)

>>2343830
Oh boyo

>>2343830

Rolled 2, 3, 3, 6, 4, 4 = 22 (6d6)

>>2343830
Damn phone

18, that'll do

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Archmaester Ruger was a man of his word. The Citadel indeed HAD extensive records of the Summer Islander trading vessels within it's bowels as well as various other vessels. From what you can tell, they apparently used some sort of card to navigate the stars to the ports of Westeros and Essos from the south.

From what you can tell, the only real things that differentiate the Carracks from Swan Ships are minor differences in size and that Swan Ships are built to be tall whilst Carrack rigging is built to be wide as well as the materials used in their construction, which if they're fully laden ought to be a rather minor concern. Still, they apparently cannot outrun Longships, which seems to make them inadequate as they are for an interceptor.

Both ships are fat and built highly defensively, the Swan Ship especially built to have a tall forecastle as well as a sterncastle to force their foes to have to choose either to take the fast climb and be shot at from both castles or the long climb and be shot at from only one castle. Both options being very bad for a boarder, armor or no.

Still, what interests you is not in the way of their defenses, but rather the construction of the hull, the masts, the rigging of the sails, the way way they set up the rudder, the mechanical aspects and the moving parts of the ship. Things you could actually improve upon.

You made some drafts and naturally some models with a testbed for their ability to catch wind. Essentially a pool of water with a weight driven fan that will provide constant amount of wind for a set duration.

As you returned with a design to the Archmaester, he raised his brow at the design. Whilst it most certainly was capable of catching wind and moving at much faster rate than the other models on the test bed, the primary disadvantage of such a design would be that in real life, the ship would be liable to diving straight into the sea and flipping itself over in bad enough waves.
Simple oversight, one that would be costly if they would commence on trying to build that.

Still, it was a valuable learning experience as you kept on proceeding with your experiments, trying to create a vessel that would function for your purposes. As you kept working with your prototypes, keeping the lessons of the Archmaester at heart, there were a few options you'd be able to go with.

>20 gun ship. It may go over the initial crew estimate, but 120 is still good enough and it'll even carry a bit of cargo.
>16 gun ship. More speed and 110 crew, but less firepower. Less guns also means more space for cargo!
>12 gun ship. We'll only need 60 crew for this one. Fastest ship, but with low running costs, but it carries little in regards of cargo.

>>2343852
>>2343852
>20 gun ship. It may go over the initial crew estimate, but 120 is still good enough and it'll even carry a bit of cargo.
We are building a ship for combat, after all. Might as well make it as deadly as possible.

>>2343852
>20 gunner

>>2343855

>>2343852
>>20 gun ship. It may go over the initial crew estimate, but 120 is still good enough and it'll even carry a bit of cargo.

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>Mercury

Form follows function, that's how it goes. It ought to be built for more guns.

"Hmmm...."
"So, what do you think?"
"It could work. I don't think it'll handle itself in a fight with the lack of fortifications and it's a bit heavily manned for a courier ship, but yes, it could definitely work for fast transport work or as a pleasure yacht."
"It's fine for building then?"
"Yes, I think it's fine. We might have to figure some things as we work on it, but that's how it often is within this line of work."
"How much do you think it'll cost?"
"Hmm... I take a project like this will take good 3 years or so to finish. Maybe a year longer."
"And about the budget, how much do I need to pay to get this done?"
"Hmm... Lot of sailwork, unorthodox design and an absurd amount of rope required. I'd expect around 600-700 Gold Dragons."
"Holy shit that's steep."
"You're paying for the quality. I assure you, it will be a vessel fit for a king. From what I can tell, it can fit a fair bit of cargo as well."
Shit, now, I'm glad I didn't try to go for that frigate
"Of course, if you're short on money. I could... scratch your back if you will."
You look at him with a curious look
"Well, nothing much, just two few two favors that I need from you and I'll make sure you don't have to pay more than 500 dragons for your ship and I'll even put you in contact with some of the finest crew you can find in the reach."
"And you want what for this?"
"If you have any more lying around, I'd like another set of those letter blocks for my press. I don't mind if I have to wait for you to make them. That's fine too."
"And the other?"
"I'd very much enjoy that you'd visit an assembly I'm holding at my house. I'd also enjoy that you'd refuse my colleagues if they try to levy anything relating to the press from you, be they notes or blocks or anything."
Hmmm...

You currently have 1438 Gold Dragons

>I'll agree to this, but no cutting corners on the ship. I want it to look good and sail good. (prepare 500 gold budget.)
>Don't worry, I've got the money. (prepare a 700 gold budget)

>>2343907
>38
Since I assume he wants the favour for life, say we can get him another set of letters for the great crew, loyal and secretive. Otherwise fork out the 700. Better have it be the best shit out there. Also have him prepare everything we need to fit the cannons, ropes, supports and all.

>>2343907
>>Don't worry, I've got the money. (prepare a 700 gold budget)

>>2343907
We're going to need all the money we can get to make cannons and powder.

>I'll agree to this, but no cutting corners on the ship. I want it to look good and sail good. (prepare 500 gold budget.)

>>2343913
Yeah, I like this, pay the 700 and do one favour for the best crew.

>>2343907
>I'll agree to this, but no cutting corners on the ship. I want it to look good and sail good. (prepare 500 gold budget.)

>>2343913
In all fairness, for life won't necessarily mean that long for him considering how old of a man he is.

>>2343907
Agree to the 500 and his proposal. Be loyal to our friends.

>>2343913
Actually wait I agree with this. Spare no expense and we'll still help him with his favors.

>>2343907
>I'll agree to this, but no cutting corners on the ship. I want it to look good and sail good. (prepare 500 gold budget.)

Otherwise is 700 plus the cannons

I notice we have a master crafted flintlock. Thats awesome. Is it beyond our scope to attempt primitive breech loaders?

>>2343907
>Don't worry, I've got the money. (prepare a 700 gold budget)
We have the cash.

>>2344028
A Ferguson Breechloading flintlock would be sweet

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>>2344066
or a dreyse needle rifle.

I want to think that breech loaders, at least for us personally, might be attempt-able. I don't know or imagine that we could actually produce them in number for our planned future soldiers, but if we could that would be a major improvement to flintlocks. it would be much easier to train soldiers how to use them than how to load and fire a musket.

A lot of gun advancements were not per say come about from new innovations in material and alloys, just thinking. Take the bayonet. People didn't realize instead of plugging up the whole gun by shoving a knife in it, why not have a small peg below the barrel and a small pointy piece of metal with a ring to fit in it. That didn't need a whole new type of metal , just a different way of thinking.

>>2344099
admittedly with the needle rifle, we would need to figure out primer and spring steel. I can see those being very problematic to figure out without actual chemical and metallurgical knowledge that does not yet exist in this world.

I still wonder if the Alchemists might actually be good at researching new types of powder and pyrotechnics.

>>2344110
Researching new types of explosives is a little bit more difficult than researching new types of alloys.

With alloys, you generally speaking have a base to work with.
With explosives, you're either trying to improve on an existing formula or you're stumbling in the dark.

>>2344128
Well, our next step would be guncotton and its derivatives. Easy to make with nitric acid, which we can make. Question being scale.

As to something like this >>2344099 if we can make the percussion caps we are set. So we need lots of mercury.

>>2344223
In fact, if we can make sulfuric acid and purify glycerol in a meaningful amount we can make nitroglycerin and dynamite.

Tell the king we have a new long-burning flashy candle. Have him try it in the evening in the study.

>>2344223
>>2344252
The question is if we even know this in character. We don't exactly have google.

I'm pretty impressed we feel ourselves capable of developing an entire steam engine. even then we don't have the capability yet due to lack of tools.

>>2344257
The basis of a steam engine is easy. Getting the pressure differentials right and figuring out how to cool the thing efficiently is the million dollar question. Steam engines were shit until Watt built his with a separate condenser. And then it took him over a decade.

Whether we can do it quicker, I dont know. Probably? Quicker than a few years? Unlikely. Then again, making the shitty inefficient ones? Probably do it in a year or two. If we have the means.

>>2344281
This. Making steam do work is easy. Making it so it's economically useful or at least practical? That is hard.

You wouldn't know how to create guncotton or percussion caps.
You can't exactly power through to that. You'll likely discover it as a byproduct of something else you are doing.

>>2344285
So we start experimenting on how to effectively dissolve fabrics in acid? For.... err... Reasons. And we also like mercury and we .... *cough* ACCIDENTALLY *cough* drop some in as well?

But in all seriousness, I gotcha. Any way you see us doing it without meta? specifically the caps. Also, would we know about the inner workings of dynamite or hydraulic/lubricating fluids?

>>2344289
Hypothetically speaking? Attempting to refine impurities from the wrong metal using the wrong acid which results into a catastrophic failure.

Alternatively begin to master enough professions that you know what people are telling you not to do and then doing it for science.

>>2344297
So we do "Metallurgy research" and hope for luck on the random table? Ok. I assume gun cotton is a similar thing in alchemy? And for that matter, can we get random tidbits with experimenting or is that a few-and-far-between type thing?

Also, update when?

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>>2344302
"And you all said I was MAD! Now look at you! My mecha-spider is the envy of every lord! The village I blew up was completely justified! Look at the results!"

>>2344307
It's unlucky really since it could kill you.
update prob tomorrow.

>>2344319
To be fair in comparison to Targaryens, that's a relatively small price to pay.

>>2344331
And before I forget. For gods sake lets copper plate the gunpowder hold. We do not want any sparks in the thing. Bad no-no.

>>2344504
Smart anon, supporting

>>2343907
>>I'll agree to this, but no cutting corners on the ship. I want it to look good and sail good. (prepare 500 gold budget.)

>>2343907
Do the favors

>>2344504
Not like wood produces any sparks you know.

>>2346012
Unless there are no metal pieces anywhere near the thing, no nails, barrel bands, door hinges or whatever, it can stay wood. Otherwise an asshole with an axe can blow us all to kingdome come because he missed and hit the door instead.

I realize it is unlikely but unless you tell me that this will not happen unless someone does it on purpose I would rather not be at the mercy of the dice for a TPK when shit gets real.

>>2346071
If we're huddled on the hold, chances are we already failed and are about to die since we didn't build the ship to handle boarding at all.

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>>2346119
Two things: shooting holes and swivel guns. Not only are there swivel guns to blast any boarders from afar but with clever shooting hole placement we can have full FOV of the deck and be able to shoot at any boarders. Though I agree that if anyone gets that far down we are probably already fucked. In any case, this was for the dice. Dont want the chance of a critical outcome like that on the board. Whether by equipment malfunction or human error.

I think we should strive to make sure that everyone is trained with a pistol.
They take less room than shields and our fellows can fire them in melee.

1 shot through armor or shield could make a huge difference in combat.

>>2346194
Yes, but we dont have the money to outfit everyone right now. We can probably outfit 40 of our 120 crew to be fulltime musketmen, but giving everyone a pistol is currently out of our price range.

Let's call our ship "Ruger's Revenge" in honor of the guy helping us build it.

It rolls off the tongue nicely.

Reachland Reaver, Firebird, Total War, Long shot, Riptide, Warhawk and Mirage are other possibilities.

>>2346194
I think we should see how possible it is to attempt some form of breech loader with a simple cartridge first, even if its a paper cartridge. The less steps we put in the actual reloading of a firearm, the better not only for training people unfamiliar with it but also ourselves.

>>2346375
Really need blasting caps to make it fast and weather proof. Dont really know how useful it would be otherwise, since you would have to unplug your powder horn anyway.

>>2346346
Long Shot and Riptide are cool. Also short and with a punch. Total War and the likes should be kept for big battleships, frigates and the like.

Challenger would be great, if only for the memes.

>>2346383
Yeah primer might be beyond us for the forseeable future, but that doesn't mean we can't attempt something else like the fergusson or such.

Just the mere act of removing the need to ram stuff down the barrel is plenty useful

>>2346413
Fair point.

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>>2346416
Our ship seems to be closest to a British sixth rate with her 20 gun armaments.
Here is an image to give you a better idea with it might look like.

>>2346430
Know it. Nice pic though.

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You know who we should get in good with?

Whoever the BEST pikemen are in Westeros.

Mastering the tercio is likely as far as we'll go in our lifetime bar some stroke of luck we actually get percussion caps, and even then I'd say we'd might not be making enough guns to put faith in true gun lines.

also it seems the Lannisters are the best pikemen in westeros. I don't imagine we're familiar with GOT lore in character, but just pointing that out.

I feel like in our old age we should become an Arch Maester, and then write a book about "visions of the future" and some technologies we believe will be possible after we pass away.

>>2346465
I disagree, musket lines, if done properly, can whoop the ass of any other formation, just because they have no defence against it. Adding some pikes is great, but our main shtick should be volley-fire muskets that blow up literally anything from mounted knights to peasants with pitchforks. Rule through fear. We will likely never be more than an elite band of forces. Definitely not on the scale of an army.

>>2346471
This will only be possible if we can actually manage to set up the infrastructure and training for so many musketeers, and even then we'd need to make it work every time for more people to have faith in us. One single decisive defeat is all it takes.

None the least we'd need to get that many people actually proficient in loading and firing, which is all the harder without actual veteran officers who grew up themselves trained by other veteran officers in the usage of firearms.

This was a process that took hundreds of years, even by the age of Napoleon there were still vestiges of halberdiers embedded in musket lines because you never really knew if you needed them against a mass cavalry charge.

>>2346471
>>2346483
Also yes I agree, we'll likely become some sort of elite band working alongside other actual army forces.

Though to be honest, if we want to make that work, we should plan going to essos because that's where all the actual mercenary action is at. Maybe even get in cahoots with the Golden Company.

>>2346483
The thing is that we will never be fielding thousands of muskets. More than likely we will be naval and siege assets. In the field we, as you mentioned, neither have the means or men to do a proactive war. Probably there for the shock and awe and flexybility of a flank that will instantly KO any unit, then fuck off to resupply. Us equipping and fielding 100, 200 even 400 men is entirely likely. Us fielding the 4000 neccessary to take on an actual army is out of our reach, IMO, so those problems dont really come into play.

>>2346494
To be honest what I'm seeing is powerful factions wanting a piece of us the more word gets around.

Someone is going to want us to teach them the how and what we are doing. We might need to make that choice down the line. Certainly there is a major risk whoever we teach will also end up giving away some of our knowledge and equipment too (if not inevitably, and definitely after our death).

In the long term, I like the idea of getting it good with Braavos above all things, since they are the most industrially capable nation of the age thanks to the Bank. We can still keep good connections with Old Town as well.

>>2346498
Thats why we build a starfort in the Iron Islands and go heavy with the navy. Make it really hard for anybody to direvtly attack us. From there, we can negotiate whatever.

>>2346500
If we want to establish our own island place, we ought to invest in finding limes in the world somewhere. Maybe do what a few traders do every now and then and sail to Cathay.

Then we grow limes, store them in ice and tin cans, and be the first traders to sail to Cathay from the western sea!

>>2346511
>Cathay
ugh, been playing too much TW:WH2, sorry. I mean, Yi Ti

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>Deal

"Can this crew you mentioned keep their lips tight?"
"I'll make sure you've got seasoned professional seamen on your ship. Ones that know that loose lips lead to ambushes by pirates and who know their way around a ship. Of course, they will expect guild approved wages, but in turn you'll get men who are considerably more loyal than your average sailor."
Hmm....
"Alright then, provided that I have your word that you're not going to cut corners on the ship and give it your all to make it as good as it can be. I'll see if I can't scrounge up some more of those blocks."
"You have my hand on it! It's a deal. It shall be nothing short of a masterpiece."
"Good. Now, about this assembly."
"Ah, yes. It is my 68th nameday next month, so I've invited a fair few of my friends and colleagues to my house to celebrate the occasion. Here, an invitation."
He procures from his pocket an invitation clearly printed out with your machine.
"Ah. I see, showing off to your friends at work is it?"
"Oh yes. They'll green with envy. You might not be aware of how politics in Citadel work, but more often than not a Maester's quality is often measured by how many times his works are copied by his colleagues."
"No doubt they'll be disappointed to hear that my workshop is unfortunately not taking up any more orders for an indeterminate period of time due to technical difficulties."
"Hah!"

Prestigious Scholar such as Archmaester Ruger had certainly money to spend. You are unsure whether or not he was actually wealthier than you, but his home certainly was much better than yours. It was a wooden manor with stone fences and a small garden with a swimming pool in it.
You wondered for a moment if Archmaester Ruger took off is chain when he went to take a dip.

You felt a tad out of place with your acolyte robes, surrounded by Maesters and Archmaesters alike. You got a few odd looks from them as they were wondering whether or not you were on the right place or not. The Masks and Scepters the Archmaesters had were a tad creepy for your tastes, still, comparing to the business with the shady solstice auction deal, you think you preferred these masks by far.

The Commission of your ship was well under it's way. Ruger told you that he's still waiting for the materials to arrive and for his friends to finish making the hires for the project as well as organizing the labor. It's going to be a fairly big project employing hundreds of men across different industries for several years, but at least he's convinced me that he's got the best shipyard in the city ready for the construction to begin.
You had long since delivered the extra set of letter blocks for him and he was all smiles when he received them.

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"Friends, colleagues, I welcome you to my home to celebrate my 68th nameday as well as the celebration of the completion of my latest book. 'Thesis on Varieties and Qualities of Lumber'. Pondersome read no doubt, but I know the things written on it by heart and by experience. You can most certainly rely on any carpenter which quotes it."


"Good health and long life to you Ruger."
The Robed men give applause as to their fellow maester, giving recognition to his accomplishments.

"Thank you! Thank you! When one comes to my age, a man begins to think on his legacy and the sort of life he lead. Us Maesters, we take an oath of celibacy so we cannot pass down our wealth to our children. Still, that doesn't mean we are devoid of heritage! We can leave behind our knowledge, and as long as that our memory remains, we shall never die."
"Thanks to a good friend and no doubt one of my finest pupils, Ser Arthur Tallon, I am convinced that though there may not be so many years left in this body, my name at least shall live on forever in the annals of history."

He claps twice and servants appear pushing a cart filled with books into the room in front of the audience where he picks one up.

"My no doubt last book, my masterwork, my last gift to the Citadel before my retirement. In front of you are 50 copies of my book. The Last Goal in my long and succesful career is to let every Maester have a chance to read my last book."

He opens the book and one of the servants give him quill and ink, which he uses to sign the first page and then gives the book to you.
"Copy for each of you my friends. Gift from me, to the Citadel."

You open the book and see what's written on the pages.
'The First book ever printed, from Archmaester Ruger to Ser Arthur Tallon.'
You close it and smile.

"I hope you can all tell from first glance, it's not my handwriting or anyone else's for that matter. No man took up the quill for this book save it's author. It was made with a generous gift from my pupil that some of you may have already heard about already, an item that serves as a mighty boon for scholars such as us whose hands are starting to get a bit shaky and eyes a bit bad."

He claps his hands again and his servants come to the room with a VERY sturdy strongbox of your manufacture. One that you need more than an axe to break through. Archmaester Ruger produces a key opens the crate.
"Behold."

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He had lined the interior of the crate with silk and cushioned the blocks carefully as if they were treasures instead of just polished blocks of lead that you scrounged up together.
The Maesters look at the small angular blocks, each possessing a letter on them.

"My word, remarkable craftsmanship. Getting these done must have cost a fortune."
"We at times have used wood stamps for, letters and the like but as most of us know, such things rarely last long and they wear out rather quickly in use and worksmanship on them was quite imprecise."
"He has gifted me with a pressing machine built for these letters, which allows one to create copies at 10 times the speed it takes to write them by hand with lasting metal blocks which can be rearranged by the leisure of the user.
Now if you'll follow me to the other room, I'll show it in action."
As the Maesters followed to have a look at this newfangled contraption, you stayed behind in the living room and helped yourself to some of Ruger's wine whilst browsing through what he'd written in his book.

Will continue tomorrow, out of steam

So by the time our ship is done he will be around 71. Not necessarily dead any time soon, but either way we have some leverage in the conclave. Wonder who he will buy with the second set.

Wonder how difficult it would be for us to make a typewriter?

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>>2346764
Take a guess.
You'd need some precision tools that don't exist.

>>2346782
I can carve that with a spoon ya big wuss

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>>2346782
We dont necessarily have to go for the best. Oldschool is always an option.

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>>2346833
I think it would still take quite some time, and we have other things we should be spending our time developing.

Pic related.

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There are easier innovations we can do more within our reach to boost our influence, at least among the Maesters.

For example:
Tin Canning
Germ Theory (explained in a time sensitive way, by comparing it to how mites damage trees without being seen), with reproducible proof
Curing Scurvy (and explaining Vitamin C)
Recommending the mass production of Ethyl Alcohol in favor of Cauterizing wounds

I also wonder if it is possible to try some very early electrical experiments. Like, finding some magnetic stones, copper, and attaching them to watermills, and attempting some sort of primitive telegraph system or very early lightbulb.
"See, if you click on this, the light shines all the way over there in the other building. These shining lights can be used as a sort of code for transmitting information.

You can have guards send emergency signals all the way across town. "

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>>2346849
Nah man, if we get that far I have a better suggestion.

>>2346873
I fully support this. Especially if we give them the can opener 50 years later. However, light bulbs are far off for us yet. We lack the gas and metal industry to make them last for more than a few weeks and considering the average tech they will be stupid expensive. Now, building a giant steam engine and hooking up a generator to it, to power smaller pumps in our mines, now that is definitely a great idea. Just have to get there.

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I also wonder if the Bessemer Process is within our reach. We seem to have some skills in certain industrial techniques, at least related to steam and hydraulics.

>>2346897
Ive been eyeing that converter for a while now but if we want it we will have to make some big iron industry first. Probably when we get our own island with iron mines. Then we spend a few years making some scale models before we can cast, power and fire up the real deal. But when we do, oh boy!

OH! A big thing!

Improvements in sewage and hygiene. If we can prove a definitive link between consumption of water contaminated with shit (such as rivers being used for sewage) and outbreaks of cholera and dysentery, that would be huge!

>>2346905
Again, we can make our island a techno paradise. Running water, automatic pumps and a good standard of living, assuming we have the coal to power all that. But making a simple sewer in town shouldnt be too big of a problem. Also, we can pump all the waste to sea without worry.

>>2346905
They already know about sewage and hygiene. The Dwarf gets put in charge of Casterly Rocks shit canals for a while.

>>2346912
I'm not saying they don't have sewers or hygiene, I just remember that for a long time nobody saw the link between contaminated water and cholar/dysnetary until someone noticed how an outbreak was linked to a woman washing her babies diapers in a local well as well as that disease was more likely for those living down river.

>>2346912
They knew it in London as well but until the connection was made that the disease can travel independent of the turd it was still largely guesswork. They knew that poop was bad but that groundwater contamination was a thing and how it worked was not well understood?

>>2346916
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLpzHHbFrHY

>>2346905
>>2346900
Both great ideas and definitely within reach of MC's skills and potential resources I believe. We need to actually take the isles first though. I feel like we're focusing more on the "if we win" rather than the "how to win". The special cannon carrying ship we're making is great and all, but now we need to start planning the actual invasion itself.

>>2346927
Yes, also drilling the musketeers for ground combat with firing lines.

As to the siege itself, presuming we take a smaller island, the fort itself will not be massive, potentially even wooden. This means we can force surrender by bombarding from the sea and sharpshooting from land. The lords ships would be kill on the sea, meaning few soldiers. If we do shock and awe right, we can get them to surrender before they realize whats up. To that end, specialized shot shoud be made. Whether incendiary, anti-personnel or straight bombs, if we can get them over the walls the enemy moral will fall fast.

We really need to drill our men for siege warfare and naval superiority. Probably will never fight a straight fight with these guys.

>>2346927
True.

Uh, explain our plans with the Islands. Are we literally just planning to walk up to some iron island and colonize it? Can we do that? We're likely to piss off the Iron Born, who are some of the most hostile and savage people in Westeros.

>>2346931
Also aren't the islands themselves notorious for being very poor in terms of farming and fishing? How do we plan to handle our food situation and so on.

Our ship is powerful, but can only be at one place at a time. if we leave to get supplies, our men might be at risk guns or no.

>>2346933
If I am right we have two years once the ship is built until we can attack the iron islands. However in that span of time piracy will grow massively along the sunset sea so we could try to capture pirate ships and force their crews to labor for us.
Then once war breaks out if we take an island we can ask to be made lord of it and they will likely say yes to it.
So we not only need the men to take and hold and island, but need to pick a good one as well.

>>2346885
You.
I like you.

>>2346957
Isn't this operating on meta information though? I wasn't given the impression we were savvy with the GoT timeline, more that we are simply growing up in a medieval world having strong memories of the grand and majestic future.

>>2346963
No we are pretty savvy on meta info. There are(?) limits on it maybe, we will see about those later.
We just pass it off as dreams and magic memories as to not explain that we are all in a book written my some regular joe.

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>>2346885
How did I miss this. This is...this is beautiful

>>2346963
No we're totally meta about this, MC read the books and everything

>>2346971
In that case we REALLY need to plan on stocking up either Obsidian or Wyldfire for when winter comes. I'm under the impression that the only way to kill white walkers who are magically resistant to fire is magic and fire, or things associated with magic and fire (like how that warlock in the show wasn't able to put out a bit of dragon fire). Feels like Obsidian has some connection to draconic magic, and I'm given the impression that wildfire is also partly magical at least in the books.

Is it possible to put small shards of obsidian in lead balls? Maybe by dangling it from a string while pouring the mold.

>>2346989
Without Queen Cunt sperging out with her dragons we can prolly take them at the wall.
And wrights are super flammable, along with the fact there are like 20 Others in total we only need an equal number of Valyren blades.
Also to snub them early it would be a good call to kill Craster, and keep Mance out of the frostfangs.

>>2346957
So we don't need to conquer an island per se, just do well enough to earn a good island by way of reward for a great service record? Because if wanted a specific island, or even more than one, we could try taking said island in order to improve our chances of getting that specific one.
>Well he did very well putting down the rebels on the island, took it over, and has a strong hold on it already, makes sense to just give it him I suppose
Or something along those lines

>>2346995
The difficulty would be convincing not only our men but the realm in general about the existence of white walkers, which was only done in the show by people who had actually fought them and managed to capture one alive which would be super dangerous even for us.

If we're lucky, John Snow is at the wall and will eventually fight them and those events continue as planned. Hopefully we can guess when that is.

We should totally try and help save the wildlings from just becoming an army of 100000 wights.

>>2346989
>>2346995
I honestly know next to nothing about obsidian and its properties, so excuse any stupid from my question, but is it possible to make obsidian at all with the current tech level and resources we have. If not, is there enough of it during the medieval era that buying it and carving stone spear heads to send up north out of the question. We know enough about the white walkers and the threat they pose that supporting and arming the watch in our later years when things are less chaotic to prep them against the threat seems pretty damn important.

>>2347008
Yes you could make Obsidian but it is far cheaper just to mine it out of dragonstone. Given the fact its not used for anything its dirt cheap and there are loads of it.
>>2347005
There might be no one willing to believe us for now, but a powerful lord with all manner of new fangled inventions leading an expedition into the lands beyond the wall to subjugate the wildlings once and for all would get the northern lords at least let us pass troops through there lands.
And it shouldn't be that hard to convince the Night Watch given that is super obvious that they are real.
And we could conscript 5-10k wildling and settle the rest in Essos, craving out a nice bit of land in the process.

>>2346891
Well, you could create a vacuum pump using glass and mercury and use that to make them last longer, but that isn't very good solution for mass production.

>>2346919
https://youtu.be/7MdMkh-5Vg0

>>2347008
>>2347025
Theres a whole gigantic wall of it in Essos too, but yes Dragonstone is an island loaded with the stuff.

>>2347025
>settle the rest in Essos
90k wildlings? good lord

Big problem with creating electrical generators is finding powerful enough magnets.

>>2347026
Well, mass production isn't exactly necessary nor viable. I mean, more in terms of a few dozen primitive lightbulbs purely for primitive telegraph purposes. Sending messages faster than any raven, and so on.

>>2347028
What wall?
Also 90k savages has been a pretty good way to found kingdoms. Just look at the fall of Rome.

>>2346905
They already know that if contaminated water causes epidemics, if they didn't, there'd be no point poisoning the wells with corpses.
Nobody will drink shitwater without some serious incentive.

>>2347032
I agree with this sentiment. We can use MC's technical knowledge to make personal, helpful creations over trying to mass produce everything. Using a primitive form of light bulbs for signals within a small area of our own use isn't out of the question, as opposed to trying to make a shit ton of light bulbs and systems to spread around.

>>2347026
The problem is that the filament is shit tier. Even if we can make a vacuum it will burn through in days.

>>2346996
Exactly my idea. We pick what we want and if we can reasonably hold it we will probably get it too. As to food, lots of fish in the sea if you can safely fish. Also seal clubbing.

>>2347035
The Black Wall of Volantis may or may not in fact be one solid block of molten dragonglass molded by the Valyrians. But I doubt we'd have to go that far or they'd even let us chip away at their precious monument.

>>2346963
To be entirely fair with a fair bit of further thought, it'd require a fair bit more political manouvering than that to let you settle on the Iron Islands.

It's entirely within the realms of possibility that neither the King nor the Hand would ever want you to become vassal to Greyjoys after hearing about your pimping ship.

That's not to say there aren't ways around that, but you know. You'll have to figure that scheme out yourselves.

>>2347040
The revolution in medicine came about when people got wise to the idea that water may contaminate. Although very few would drink the shitwater that was the Thames, taking water from a pump not far from the river was okeydokey and it took a medical student years to figure that shit out. When he did, hygiene became a lot better.

>>2347053
I think its made out of Dragonstone, which does sound alot like magic obsidian.

>>2347056
No no, not a vassal of the Ironcuntenders. More a Royal Protector of trade in the region. Shouldnt be too outlandish, considering what they did.

We anwser directly to the King and our mission is to curbstomp piracy. To that end we will build a fort to defend from and a small but nimble fleet to protect the waters. We secretly ofcourse build up infrastructure and start funneling trade and getting rich off the potential trade routes.

>>2347028
>>2347025
Going back to the subject on taking the isles, developing a fleet through the capture of multiple ships leading up to just before the rebellion seems to be the popular choice. In terms of crew and army building, how do we want to go about it. There's also armaments and the style of troops we want, since pure conscription doesn't seem like a great idea. I feel we should start enlisting peasantry, those interested, and people of interest to raise up a fighting force and develop a proper force under our command, over just forcing people that don't even like us to fight. We still have some time so it's not impossible, likely a bit tough though.

>>2347061
I can swing that way, although enlisting ex-pirates is a bad idea. Peasants may not be good enough but they can crew the vessels we keep after irate encounters.

>>2346873
You could just make a telegram instead.

>>2347069
Copper lines are expensive and we probably lack the ability to create enough current for meaningful distances. Besides, ravens are good enough for now. Better use the resources for electromotors and steam engine R&D so we can have a ship without sails.

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>>2347056
I have no idea what the rest of anons have decided on goals, but if there were anyone I would be most satisfied becoming a Vassal (or better still, a stockholder) of Braavos itself, purely because they are the industrial super power of the world and may in fact be most open to any idea that could increase their profits. The amount of money they can throw around could turn us from mere inventor into a god honest revolutionary, if not in our lifetime then beyond our death.

They already have some advanced notions like prefabricated assembly of ships, and the air of being superior to other islands could go a long way to help convincing them of new ideas.

They are well protected, isolated, powerful, just about the the only thing that could actually threaten them besides betrayal from within is for someone to poison the sweet-water aqueduct.

Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw

>>2347060
Spinning it that way and showing loyalty to the king seems like a good idea, while strengthening our hold on the locals through our strength, fear of fighting us, and riches/increased prosperity under our rule.

>>2347060
That'd make sense if you actually were from a family with an actual fleet or your family was a vassal of the Lannisters.

>>2347082
Considering we will distinguish ourselves in battle and the King is Roberto, who should like strentgh of arms, we should have a chance. Send him a gift of explosives or some gilded McGuffin and he should come to see it our way. Besides, if we can keep the islands calm we all win.

Why Lannister?

>>2347080
Braavos isn't a feudal state and you're a foreigner and you know absolutely nothing about their way of governance save that it's ran by magisters who are selected by some arcane process who in turn have some arbitrary powers and the ability to elect the Sealord of Braavos who technically isn't even their equivalent of a king because they don't have a centralized goverment in the same way like Westeros does, but as far as Westerosi are concerned, Sealord is the highest military authority.

It's also a safe assumption that they won't let just anyone be citizens in their city.

>>2347082
It'd be really difficult but what if we tried to systematically subjugate the whole isles and petition to takensure the greyjoy's place? Maybe through a cycle of island hopping strikes against all the islands until they're weak enough to start building a hold over? We'd need a pretty big fighting force though.

>>2347105
Ah, drat. well, guess we'll ploy ourselves in Westeros then.

>>2347094
Because Lannisters wouldn't mind putting a trigger happy puppet pointing a gun at the Greyjoys after they sunk their fleet.

If the King sees your ship and guns he might just think. "You know what. I think I'll keep you to myself." and stick you on the Stormlands to work with his Brother instead, giving you some lands and resources to start making those things.

>>2347109
Im still holding out for some lands in the stepstones. Its a sure fire money making scheme.

>>2347107
With one ship?
Like hypothetically you could exterminate the lineage, which would create another scenario where everyone wonders what the fuck do we do now?

But you really don't have the equipment to take a stone castle, so that plan is out of the window.

>>2347122
Hmm, fair point. I dont suppose Tywin would want a new vassal? Or would the legal issues be horrendous?

Also, I dont suppose that we could argue the king to let us take an iron island so we can build all the ships without him having to worry about it? Seeing as we can pretty quickly go around the continent and if need be, be an immediate thorn in the side of anyone on the west coast?

Alternatively, is there much iron/coal in the Stormlands?

>>2347124
Wed get raped by both continents. Probably do it at a later date.

>>2347137
Well... Reach and Westerlands have had a history together. Let's just say that the Tyrells have been pretty grabby with vassals and territory over their history.

It's unlikely you'd be trusted or passed over his more loyal men unless you did something truly exceptional for Tywin, such as exterminating the Greyjoy bloodline for sack of Lannisport.

>>2347154
What if we gave them a heads up about the sack, and they avoided it?

>>2347137
Problem with that is that you'd be within striking distance of Ironborn.
Of course, there is a way for you to gain an Island there through conquest and keep it, but it'd require political manouvering that unless you can come up with how to pull off, it's unlikely to happen.

You know who might actually empathize with us, but would probably be a bad idea to ever meet?

Fucking Baelish.

He's is in a situation we are in now, changing from a fucking nobody to someone with huge amounts of influence.

Also Varys. Maybe Varys would be better because he's a cool guy who cares about the greater good.

>>2347167
Then they'd think you have spies in the Iron Islands despite being a landless knight, so they'd be even more convinced it was a scheme.

>>2347176
And when the fleet does burn theyd still accuse us. Goddam pansies.

Is there any place we would be likely to have iron/coal mines and a good chance of getting the land?

>>2347133
>With one ship
Dear God no, this was assuming we built up a fleet through ship capture and possibly purchase to build up a strong fighting force by the time the rebellion starts. You are right about the stone castle though, I didn't think on how to take that. We'll need to plan a land invasion based on it.....is building a catapult on a large enough ship out of the question?

>>2347173
Petyr isn't a master of coin yet is he? He little influence until then.

>>2347182
Why not just wheel a cannon land, or better yet just fire from the boat.

>>2347184
Hrmm. . .despite every part of my being telling me not to, its tempting to become good friends with him right now then. if we ever happen to see him

he might end up genuinely surprised someone actually gives a damn about him

>>2347182
Could always use sharpshooters to gimp any defenders. This would probably work pretty well if we can use darkness.

Also, what >>2347187 said. We can always shoot the wooden parts and we can always arc over the wall with special ammo (explosives or incendiary types).

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>>2347187

>>2347182
Catapults nor trebs generally speaking cannot hit a castle on a hill from ashore.

If they can, then you can bet your ass the castle can return fire.

>>2347193
Last time he had person who cared about him, he threw her off a mountain.

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>>2347207
You just need a bigger cannon...

>>2347194
Just you know, that won't exactly help you take the castle now does it? Not unless you kill someone.

>>2347215
well to be fair, she did date rape him and get his (probably unwanted) child aborted and in general was a less than appealing jealous obsessive skank. but true,

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>>2347217
Oh anon, you think so small.

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>>2347235
Too small by a half.

Hooray time for boats https://youtu.be/h3UX67RjrL0

I've got an idea for a name. 'The Last Hero'

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Something to whet your whistle for things to come to the Iron Islanders.

The Black Flag will rise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMVZdE97l0

>>2348528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkXnLatevJU

3d6 please

Rolled 6, 3, 5 = 14 (3d6)

>>2348701

Rolled 2, 6, 1 = 9 (3d6)

>>2348701

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It was a good thing that Archmaesters wore masks as a symbol of their station in formal events such as this, it helped conceal the rather apparent envy that was dripping like honey from the words of his colleagues as they returned to the living room.

You were munching on the little hors d'oeuvres which the servants kept you in steady supply of as you drank his wine and watched the proceedings. After a short while a man who also had a mask similar to Ruger's approached you.

"Pardon, but is this seat taken?"
"By all means, help yourself."
"Thank you, it's always good to see such polite young men amongst the acolytes. I'm Archmaester Hallen, a colleague in the same field as Archmaester Ruger."
"Ser Arthur Tallon, pleased to meet you."
"Yes, the boy genius! Your academic achievements are very impressive for someone so young. I hear you caused quite a stir when you started forging your links."
You raise your cup
"It is always nice to be recognized for one's efforts."
"Truer words were never spoken. Ruger is a lucky man to have wound up with a pupil like you. Tell me, how long have you been studying under him again?"
"It was just a month."
"Hrm... a month you say? That's rather..."
"Extraordinary how quickly we became friends?"
He forces out a laugh
"Hah! Yes, I suppose that is one way to put it."
"What can I say? It was taking up space in my living room. I had to get rid of it."
Once again he forces out a laugh
"Hah! A Jester! If you have any more lying around, I'd certainly be willing to pay to have one as well. I'd even be grateful enough to say that I'd owe you a favor. You wouldn't believe how shoddy the handwriting of certain authors is at times and I'm afraid my eyes are going bad with old age."

>Awareness 14: Pass

You notice Archmaester Ruger glancing at your direction.

>"I'm sorry, but we've recently had technical difficulties with the customer service department so we're not really in a place to process any new orders. It's a total breakdown in communications I tell you, I swear at this rate the company might go bankrupt!"
>"I'm sorry, but the metal required for the letterblocks was something I purchased mistakenly from the market and I'd be hard pressed to find any more as it wasn't a product I ordered. Archmaester Ruger quite generously emptied my stores when he ordered a second set of letter blocks however, so maybe you could ask from him?"
>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."
>"How much are we talking about?"
>Write-in

>>2348718
>>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."

>>2348718
"I'm sorry, but the metal required for the letterblocks was something I purchased mistakenly from the market and I'd be hard pressed to find any more as it wasn't a product I ordered. Archmaester Ruger quite generously emptied my stores when he ordered a second set of letter blocks however, so maybe you could ask from him?"

>>2347069
Telegrams would require the mechanism to producing sound from electricity right? Could we even do that forseeably?

>>2347029
Theoretically, could we attempt to make primitive electromagnets?
http://rebuildingcivilization.com/content/creating-electricity-era-cavemen
>the strength of the magnetic field needed to create any practical amount of electricity is far stronger than the field produced by a natural lodestone
>instead of trying to making a permanent magnet, a much more practical approach would be to make a primitive battery and use it power an electromagnet. Then use the electromagnet in place of the permanent magnet in your generator.

>>2348718
>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."

>>2348718
>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."
This doesnt stop us from making other influential gifts later on, however.

>>2348762
>>2348754
>>2348727
This

>>2348729
This because if we tell him we're busy for the next 12 years, we won't be able to deal with other potential products we might want to sell or trade for.

Also because it's the least rude option.

>>2348729
Actually yeah I switch my vote to this

>>2348843
Actually, wonder if we can sell them through Ruger for mad favours?

>>2348727
Imma swap from this to
>>2348729
this

>>2348729
Supporting.

>>2348718
>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."

>>2348718
>>"I'm sorry, but the waiting list is currently about 12 years long with possibility of delays. I've got a lot of projects lined up and very little time to do them. I'll put you at the end of the line if you don't mind waiting."

>>2348729
>"I'm sorry, but the metal required for the letterblocks was something I purchased mistakenly from the market and I'd be hard pressed to find any more as it wasn't a product I ordered. Archmaester Ruger quite generously emptied my stores when he ordered a second set of letter blocks however, so maybe you could ask from him?"
supporting

>>2348729
this

>>2348718
Changing to
>"I'm sorry, but the metal required for the letterblocks was something I purchased mistakenly from the market and I'd be hard pressed to find any more as it wasn't a product I ordered. Archmaester Ruger quite generously emptied my stores when he ordered a second set of letter blocks however, so maybe you could ask from him?"

>>2348718 I'm sorry the metal was something I bought by mistake and I'm not entirely sure what it is

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Did everyone die?

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>>2350697 I'm still here

>>2350697
Oh no, Im still waiting. Patiently. For a while now.

>>2350705
Same

>>2350697
I wish sometimes.

>I got shit to do senpai
>>2349178
>>2348967
>>2348762
>>2348754
>>2348727
>Sorry, I got the metal by accident
>>2349938
>>2349779
>>2349240
>>2348940
>>2348860
>>2348843
>>2348729

>>2350739
That seems stupid, considering we can always retrace our steps. If we bought it from someone and cant point fingers that just leaves us with our pants down. Just say it like it is, we dont have the time but we may be able to "gift" him some of our more interesting inventions down the line.

Thinking of simple electromotors or medical knowledge/tecniques, for example.

>>2350744
No mate. It takes the heat off of us. There are very few people who will actually consider digging especially now. We made one machine, its not that spectacular, and he has zero reason to suspect that we are hiding some hidden other metalurgical genius other than the fact that we are a star student. The only knowledge that he likley knows is that we know what metals do what, even if we might not know how to really make them.

>>2350744
Plus you forget that attempting to please everyone even if you are being reasonable makes you seem weak and impressionable. If we continue that trend we will probably be schemed into service by a higher power such as the crown under unfavorable conditions.

>>2350750
Doubly so considering our supposed genius and how we could possibly flaunt it.

>>2350747
They literally know we made the fancy pancy thing and he asks us if we can make another copy.

"Oh no! I lack the metal!"
"NP, I am happy with some shittier letters, heres some random workable metal, see you soon."

"I suddenly forgot how I made it...."

They know we are a genius and they will absolutely start digging if they think they can gain from it. Why else did Ruger have us refuse to make more?

As to seem weak and impressionable? Good, let them underestimate us. How do you think Littlefinger got so far?

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"Sadly, I cannot make more. There is quite an interesting story relating to those blocks."
"Go on?"
"You see, the metal I used for them I got through the lowest bidder from a disreputable merchant that didn't really provide me the goods that I ordered. Instead, I received an old crate in poor condition which had gone moldy on the inside."
You take a sip from your cup and indulge yourself on some of the cheeses that were being served.
"The Merchant had set sail by the time I realized the contents were not what I had ordered. Still, the ingots were good enough for alchemical experiments and I did end up finding out an use for the ingots in the end."
"I see, well, I'd be interested in buying any left over ingots..."
"I'm afraid our honored host made me a very generous offer earlier and emptied my stores. You see, he wanted some spares in case he needed more."
"I see."
He replies very bitterly whilst keeping up a forced smile
"Still, I'm sure he'd let you borrow the press if you asked nicely. After all, what's a few favors between friends?"
He takes a good gulp of wine from his cup
"Please excuse me for a moment, nature calls."
"By all means."

He leaves your company clearly dissatisfied, but at the same time Ruger seems to be smirking at your direction and waves you over. There's something oddly satisfying about helping an old man with his petty mischief.

"He didn't look happy."
"You know, it's the darndest thing. The Moment I told him that if he needed a printing press, he should just ask to borrow yours, he suddenly needed to go relieve himself."
He grins "Hah! Servant! Go and make sure our quest has some prunes. Wouldn't want him to get constipated and miss the party."
"Yes Archmaester."

> You've some time to hang around and socialise, is there anything you'd like to do or anyone to make contact with before I conclude the party?

>>2350768
Look at who attends the party and who is most likely to be friendly/hostile towards our host. Try to get a few words in with the guests so they know who we are if they meet us again. Think about what inventions the Maesters we meet might find valuable, besides the press.

>>2350744
You don't need to explain any of your actions to the Maesters even if you were caught lying pants down.
You're a nobleman and a knight.
Chances are that even if you were on a trial, most lords would take a Knight's word over a Maester's unless they personally know that Maester. Since you're a nobleman, that goes doubly so since there are certain repercussions that lord must deal with if they were to prosecute you for a something.
Furthermore lying isn't a crime and literally everyone and trade secrets are nothing new under the sun. Rather, they're the norm.

>>2350757
>Here's some random workable metal, see you soon
You're not really doing this for a living.
Archmaesters have no other authority over you than potentially being able to kick you out of the Citadel, but all things considered, they'd still need a reason to do that since you're not just some peasant.
You are ultimately a son of a reach lord. Petty Lord maybe, but there's still some weight behind that title. They can't exactly show up at your door and say "Hey, make me some stuff or else."

>How do you think littlefinger got so far?
By seducing Lysa Arryn who was the wife of the hand of the king. Without her he'd be pretty much a nobody. Also he avoided making enemies.

>>2350768
A Maester of ravenery if we could. To learn how other peoples send messages quickly, and if they use animals what kinds.

>>2350771
>>2350781
Either of these are perfectly fine.

>>2350768
Actually is it possible that we might be able to speak with someone with a dragonsteel chain?

>>2350815
You mean Valyrian Steel? There's no Archmaester for that at the moment. They didn't have one for a long time until Marwyn the Mage managed to pass the test.

>>2350781
this

I managed to speed read all of the threads. This is awesome so far.

>>2350768
Can we talk with the alchemy or the blacksmith arch maester? Knowing might be good for us in our future projects of casting steel and improving the gunpowder

>>2352032
Never talk to anyone relating to maesters about gunpowder.

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Ahhhh i need more, I NEED MY DAILY DOSE

>>2352847
Know that feel brah. QM keeps talking about some "real life" and "responsibilities". Whatever that is. Should just post an update.

Yeah, an Update would be pretty good about now.

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>>2352849
Yes, finally someone that share's my emotions. I feel you brother, i feel you

How DARE the QM HAVE A LIFEEE!!!!!!!
ONLY REASON HE LIVES IS TO ENTERTAIN AUTISTS ON A MOLDAVIAN CROP ROTATION FORUM . THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CALL THE MODS!! /s

>>2352854
>>2352849
>>2352847
BROTHERS!

>>2347154
Tyrells barely have a history.

You mean House Gardener.

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> Find out about ravenry

[1/2]

You put down your drink and decide to go and talk to an Archmaester who does Ravenry to figure out how people get messages across. Only, he wasn't in the house, but rather on the porch, smoking something on a pipe that didn't smell like tobacco or weed. Instead, it had a bit more fragrant scent.

He notices you watching and offers his pipe.
"You want to try?"
"Depends what you're smoking."
"Just a bit of dried white lily petals. I find that I sleep better when I consume it on the regular."
You look at the pipe
"Sure, I'll give it a try."
You take puffs of smoke into your mouth to get the flavor into your mouth much like you used to do back when you were still working a regular job.
"Bit of a strong taste with this blend."
"An acquired taste I suppose. I like it better this way. Pretty impressive work with that press. It's a rare thing when novelties are actually worth something."
"Thanks, you know, I was a bit interested on hearing about your line of work. You're an Archmaester in the area of Ravenry, correct?"
"Aye, that'd be me. Sit down, I'll explain the gist of it."

You spent most of the evening hanging around with the man, smoking and talking about Ravenry and studies relating to it whilst talking to the occasional Maester that came to talk to you about the press.

"So, every time you send out a Raven, it needs to be fetched by carriage or by ship?"
"Not every time. Some few can be taught to fly between two castles. Highly prized birds such ones. We also keep a special breed of White Ravens in the citadel which we send out only during the changing seasons.
They're a fair bit larger and stronger than their dark cousins and more intelligent. Unlike normal ravens which tend to be limited in flying within the neighboring regions, White Ravens can be taught to fly from Dorne to Winterfell."
He takes another puff from his pipe.
"So basically almost all messages that aren't extremely urgent are transported by regular couriers?"
"Right, and fellows who care for ravens need to know those routes as well and arrange either a courier or a raven as needed when serving a lord. Most all heads of courier companies in the seven Kingdoms are trained by yours truly.
Can't exactly transport a raven between faraway castles if you don't know what to feed her, right?"
"Makes sense. I regret to admit I used to think that you could send out Ravens just anywhere from any castle."
"Aye, many folk that don't know the trade think that. It's just that we've hubs and chains for relaying messages most times."

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[2/2]

You look to the sky and the first stars are starting to appear.
"I should be going soon. Good talking to you- actually come to think of it, I didn't ask your name did I?"
"It's Archmaesters Arvin and yes, it's getting a bit late."
As he stands up, he stops and turns back to yiu
"Oh, by the way. If you manage to run into any particularly smart Ravens, let them know that I'll pay handsomely for good breeding stock."
"I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Good Night."
"Good night 'Arthur the Artisan'."

> Timeskip options!
> Keep going as is, play through the arrangements for getting your ship running
> Skip until arrangements are complete
> Skip until ship sets sail
> Skip until Greyjoy Rebellion draws near

>>2352934
>Skip until ship sets sail
BOTE
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>>2352943
Whilst House Gardener was one to do a lot of landgrabbing, Tyrells kept up the tradition.

Basically what they have been doing is marrying off their children to the heirs of neighbouring powers whenever they can in order to create lines of succession which cause vassal drift.

That's why Reach keeps growing slowly despite fighting no wars of conquest. They have a metric fuckton of unpressed claims on various vassals which are waiting on the shelf.

>>2352934
Keep going.

If it gets too much, you can give us a list of options to choose from. Dont really need a lot of RP to pick the flag or building piorities.

Cant wait for mre...

>>2352945
Of course, I am not referring to children of House Tyrell, but the children of their Vassals.
It's an advanced manouver that few pull off in CK2

Lot of marriages to Reach get cockblocked by their lieges thanks to this.

>>2352945
I fucking hate this cunt tactic. Drove me god dam nuts in CK2.

>>2352949
I see you are a man of taste as well.

>>2352934
> Skip until ship sets sail
What's the Westerosi equivalent of smashing a bottle of champagne on the ship to christen it?

https://youtu.be/4NXFCDgyanA

>>2352945
Does Westeros use the 4 crop rotation system?
How about fertilizers like phosphorous and such?

>>2352934
>Skip until ship sets sail

>>2352934
> Keep going as is, play through the arrangements for getting your ship running
Not a big fan of timeskipping all the time.

>>2352964 the answer is no we would be lucky if they knew to spread manure on the field

>>2352934
Skip to set sail

>>2352934
Skip until ship sets sail

>>2352964
Our farming techniques are not developed for an ecosystem of a world where seasons are erratic and can last for a decade.
Not that you ever knew dick about farming in the first place, but it's pretty clear that their ecosystem doesn't function like ours, so trying to implement 4 crop rotation, if it's not even use already, could very well end up in a failure simply because the ecosystem fertilizes the soil through a different route.

>>2353015
Thats actually pretty interesting.

If and when the great Winter does come, I hope we can attempt very primitive greenhouses. That or we move to Dorne for a while.

>>2352934
>> Skip until arrangements are complete