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Elizabeth sits at her desk as she pours over stacks of notes and collected data in the dimly lit laboratory, her own eyes perfectly adapted to the near darkness. Holograms float about the room as one of the few sources of light, each showing information on various tests, the details of the involved drones updating her mentally as she focuses on the small chunk of dissected flesh set in a petri dish before her. Somewhere in the dark, twisting tunnels of the hive, a sudden explosion shakes the chamber, the thinkers swinging from their anchors along the ceiling as jars rattle and spill. Her face tenses with aggravation for a moment, and she quickly scrawls on a sheet of paper with a clawed finger.

“Test six-two-one complete. Results... uncontrolled thermobaric combustion.” She says with a tired voice. Several nearby thinkers hum with a shared aggravation as workers file into the ruined test chamber to clean out the remains as Elizabeth combs the area with their eyes, searching for any sample that may be studied, or more likely, add to the collection of useless chunks of meat now lining the far wall in fluid filled jars. She leans back on the protruding limbs along her back, glancing up to the holoscreens to examine the status of other experiments, making adjustments mentally where needed.

“Test six-three-three seems off. The thinker has expired, but not from overheating. Temperatures are well bellow zero.” She scratches at the base of one of her antennae with curiosity. “I suppose that's a kind of progress.” She says. “We're able to project the thermal energy now, but control is still an issue.” A speaker shuffles by, quickly picking up a number of broken jars and scattered paperwork.

“You have skipped your regular sleep schedule, this is unhealthy for humans.” Your drone chirps. She dismissively waves a hand, sending several upturned jars jolting back up on the desk with a quick thought of kinetic force.

“Sleep is a product of space efficiency, using the same pipes to delivery oxygen when awake and remove toxins when asleep. The continually improving structure of my own mutations seem to be mitigating that need. I was planning on seeing just how mitigated it is.” She glances to the drone as you share a mental thought. “Besides, I couldn't possibly sleep with everything there is to do.” A mental command brings an image of the Scavenger brood mother materializing along one of the holograms, and her thoughts run to check on the workers preparing for the arrival, widening a number of tunnels to better accommodate the scavenger's size.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

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>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone
>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
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>>1899725
Can we vote on these things?
>Research the crystal spires at G-426 P2
>Begin rebuilding the skyl ringworld at M-323
>Begin colonizing A-295
>Begin updating Elizabeth on the all things we've learned
>Communicate with Heretic and Theseus on the true nature of the enemy and try to get all relevant information
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The best time of the week is here!
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>>1899725
It begins again
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>>1899725
You feel the notice of a Distant Mind
>Psionic research has received a small boost
>Slip drives have a 10% chance to alert you to their usage

>Current resource reserves
Nutrients: 29,347,760N
Metals: 22,885,364M
Credits: ₡602,226
Credits in Lyle’s account: ₡1,175,000

Active trade routes
>Leeland – Lanway: HMS Orphan, Captain John Spreckels
[FormOther brand Fusion Reactors]

>Construction underway
before I start adding up some of your more recent orders, I'd like to see if we can go over your general industrial complex, so to speak, and give you a chance to look over and mess with your build queues. We seem to keep adding more ships, but I haven't given you much of a chance to improve your planets to get an income to match, and I want to make sure we do that now that I have the planetary construction set up.
made but unpaid for
[Light Fleet] x5
[Heavy Fleet] x15
[Ambush Fleet]x10
[Fast Assault Fleet] x5

>Formed fleets and orders
Citadel Hive Ship – [Awaiting orders]
Small Heavy Defense Fleet [Patrolling Leeland space]
25 Heavy Battle Fleet [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
5 Missile Ambush Fleet [Awaiting orders]
30 Light Fleets [Supporting Commonwealth Liberation]
20 Light Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Fast Assault Fleets [Awaiting orders]
10 Ambush Fleet
6 Carrier Battle groups

Clone upkeep/special projects and expenses
[Gemini]
3 Taidaren Hybrids (105)
4 Human flash clone upkeep – 120
18 Human hybrid clone upkeep – 540
Specializations:
>Tech
>Engineer
>Brawler
[Hive space]
100 Human Hybrids – 3,000
Lyle Rogers – 57
Jackob Eisner – 56
Dillon Reager – 30
Clone/project upkeep – 3,908N

>Income
Metals: 2,950,500
Nutrients: 7,636,000
Net:

Total upkeep
Nutrient costs: 6,675,390
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>>1899745
>now that I have the planetary construction set up
Oh hell yea bud
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SO IT'S FINALLY A NEW DAY
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>>1899745

Espionage Activity
Gemini: This planet holds an embassy, random chance to gain intelligence each day, +1 Active Operation available. This planet's population is highly irritable and aggressive to Hive influence. All failure and detection chances are increased. Increased rate of psionic resistance in the local populace. Any attempt to increase unrest will receive a bonus to success chance and increased detection rate.
[Covert Infiltration] Resources: 1 sleeper cell planted in maintenance and sanitation department.
>Beggars and Taidarens

Path: This planet is currently under military lockdown, dramatically increasing failure and detection chances. The local population is anxious and afraid of the future due to recent events, increasing the population's psionic vulnerability to influence.

Huron: This planet's condition is unknown, no monitoring effort is under way.
[Maintain Concealment]

Bedrock: This colony is suffering from widespread panic, dramatically lowering detection chances of hive agents, but making the results of operations and gathered data far more unpredictable.
[Maintain Concealment]

Hive Territory
[G-426]
*Leeland (capital)
N 60+40
M 45
Development 50

Income:
4.886MN
162.5KM

Defensive structures
>Surface to Orbit Missile System: Uses long range missiles to attack enemy ships in the system (1KN, Additional costs per launch)
>Anti-orbital battery grid: Directly attacks enemy ships in orbit (8KN)
Military structures
>Hangar facilities: Deploys atmospheric and orbital drones to intercept attackers, uses aerodynamic and fighter drone designs (4KN)
>Psionic Shroud: Conceals hive activity from psionic senses (1KN)
Industrial structures
>Docking Pylon: (2000) (100KN)
[Empty docks: 8000/8000]
Economic Structures
>Capillary Tower [under construction]
>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income
>Algae Farm: +25N
>Film harvester dock: +15N
Asteroid mining base: 50KM per day added to nearest planet.

[M-662]
Raligha
N 90+20
M 10
Development 25

Income:
2.75MN
0M

Defensive structures
>Surface to Orbit Missile System (1KN)
>Anti-orbital battery grid (8KN)
Economic structures
>Bloodroot collectors: Pipes running from Bloodroot trees extract nutrient rich sap +20N
>Greystalk farms: [under construction]
>Greenwall pit: Genetically engineered plant efficiently recycles waste material, Extra N income x2
>Temple alter: A place for the Ralighan locals to worship and bring offerings to your hive, built in the likeness of your local fake queen, +500N per day

[M-323]
>Orbital docking pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 sub capitals or 1 capital ship, (50N)
[Empty docks: 0/4]
>Mining corvette salvage operations +2,688,000M per day (+8000M per corvette)

[Farcast]
Derelict Sensor array

Glassed Hive world
N 0
M 100
D 10

Income:
0N
100KM

>Smart mine mantle excavation: Calculates development stat 3 times for metal income

Deep space waystation
>100 docking pylons (10KN)
[Empty docks 400/400]
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>>1899769
New Construction Options

Defensive structures
>Anti-orbital battery grid – A network of anti-orbital batteries scattered across the planet, each situated in a fortified bunker complex fitted with stationary gun positions and intense hive creep fortifications. Each battery is a capital ship class particle beam capable of attacking enemy vessels in orbit of the planet, each situated in relation to the others to provide overlapping fire over any location above the planet. 8,000N 48,000M
>Surface to Orbit Missile System – This massive bunker complex houses a wide range of warheads and a nigh limitless number of missiles within its protective walls, allowing you to launch missiles against approaching invaders from the safety of your hive. The facility uses the ship missile stats and comes equipped with a single Cruise missile silo that can target any detected object within the system, five Stinger missile silos capable of targeting any craft within high orbit, and ten Swarm missile silos specialized in targeting high altitude aircraft and low orbiting targets. The facility itself is a massive complex spread out over several miles, and includes guidance and launch equipment, as well as the means to construct and maintain a stock of warheads and missiles. (1500N 2500M)
>Shield dome network – An overlapping network of bunkers crisscross the landscape of a planet offering emergency shelters for any local inhabitants to survive orbital attack, as well as shield emitters placed in overlapping layers set around important infrastructure and planetary installations. Like all shields, heat quickly becomes a problem as it sustains fire, as such a mixture of ventilation towers and subterranean heat sinks, turning a small facility into a massive, sprawling network of infrastructure. If the planet suffers orbital bombardment, this planetary installation will absorb all damage first. 8,600N 50,000M
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Daily reminder

>Raid OQ
>Read the locked memories of that thinker.
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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>>1899771
Military Structures
>Military Spaceport – Extensive fortified maintenance bays and hangars are built across the surface of the planet, as well as infrastructure and manufacturing centers to support the production and maintenance of a planetary strike craft squadron. Swarmer fighters are produced at a constant rate with suitable range to intercept orbiting vessels or approaching dropships, while more advanced fighters and gunships of the most suitable design are produced and maintained for system wide defense and patrol Aerodynamic drones are also maintained in scattered hangar facilities to provide air support in the event of ground attack, and intercept enemy dropships. All craft are held in hibernation to reduce costs, allowing an entire planet's worth of strike craft to be maintained for a relative low cost. 500N 1000M
>Psionic Shroud – A single building built around the shattered remains of a Void Shard, the shroud amplifies the unnatural mental silence of the broken crystal within to mask an entire planet from potential detection, preventing outside forces from easily detecting the thoughts of a hive. (2,000N 5,000M)
Psionic Sensor Tower – A massive spire composed of highly psionically sensitive instruments and material focused on the detection and measurement of wide range quantum states in a vacuum directed at the space around the planet. Grants a chance to predict the arrival of ships approaching the system via certain FTL methods. The effectiveness depends on the method used and the size of the incoming fleet, granting a base chance to detect incoming Blink drive ships at 75%, Space-fold and Rip drive at 50%, Warp drive at 25%, and Flicker drive at 10%. Gatecasting ships from Hypergates and Slip drive is not effected. (20KN, 30KM)
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>>1899777
Economic Structures
>Docking Pylon – A large spire or station that contains space for docking and construction of 4 ships, or a single capital ship if placed in orbit. By default is used to produce hive vessels, but can be made to offer repair services to passing ships in return for credits or other acceptable transaction fees. 100N 300M
>Weather Spire network – A networked collection of spires spread across a planet capable of studying and altering a planet’s climate and atmosphere. Construction includes the building of all spires needed to function. While the spires can manipulate a planet's climate towards any desired effect, by default the spires will attempt to optimize a planet's fertility and habitability for hive life and its primary crop strains, increasing a planet's base N score by 5. Alternatively, the spires can work to create intense storms and thicken the local ionosphere, reducing N score by 5 and imparting a penalty to enemy craft within the atmosphere and blocking enemy communications to and from orbit, as well as disrupting sensors of orbiting ships. This option is not available for planets with naturally turbulent and disruptive climates. (8,000N 20,000M)
>Orbital solar array – A station placed in orbit of the local star equipped with a membrane of photosynthetic cells several kilometers in diameter capable of producing a steady stream of nutrient income. Due to practical constraints of logistics, a star system can support up to five solar arrays. Must be built around a main sequence star. Provides 1500N per day total (5,000N 5,000M)
>Harvester Dock – A large pier built along the shore overlooking the spore-producing ocean film that serves as an unloading area for Harvester drones, and contains pipelines to pump collected raw nutrients to the hive’s awaiting processing facilities, includes a single Harvester which is covered by the cost and upkeep of the dock. Provides 500N per day total (38N 50M)
>Orbital electroponic station – An orbital instillation built near a large source of hydrogen used to fuel a large fusion core, which in turn provides electrical power to a contained algae farm facility. Must be built in orbit of a gas giant. Provides +2000N per day and doubles as a gas mining facility, refueling the tritium stores of any ships in the system. The station itself can serve as the hub of a space city with additional investment. (3000M)
>Algae Farm – A carved out space used to utilize Leeland’s natural electrical field to cultivate food. +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain.
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>>1899785
>Hydroponic platform – A floating greenhouse platform used to grow farmland through hydroponics that can only be built on or near water with open access to plentiful sunlight. Each greenhouse platform supports roughly one hectare and requires a single worker to tend the crop and maintain the platform. Multiple platforms can be connected together to create fields of floating farmland. +200N per day, 1 worker to maintain.
>Filter towers – A large underwater pylon built to extract raw nutrients from the microbial life of the surrounding ecosystem. Can only be used on planets with bountiful biospheres and deep oceans capable of supporting large amounts of microbes. Provides between 100 and 500 N per day, depending on the local environment. (500M)
>Capillary Tower – This massive organic space elevator offers a number of logistical and economic advantages, despite its drastic up front cost and fragile nature. Shuttles or space craft are no longer needed to move resources from the surface to orbital structures, freeing shuttles for more important tasks. The counterweight station serves as a center for construction, with 4 docking pylons included on the structure to repair and build ships, while gaining a bonus to capital ship construction time due to the speedy nature with which resources arrive from the surface. The Capillary Tower can also spread hive creep and extract resources at an increased rate, spreading roots deep into the crust to bring up resources directly into orbit, allowing you to consume a planet much more quickly than normal. A Hive ship can construct a Capillary Tower if given the time and resources to do so, deploying one after 3 full days, after which it becomes the counterweight station, and must remain stationary until it detaches and destroys the tower to move. A Hive ship deployed in this way does not have access to its spinal weapons, but can use other features as normal. A planet can hold a max of 4 Capillary Towers along its equator. For each one, planetary mining or over harvest activities are doubled and its Development score increases by 10, this bonus can surpass a planet's maximum development, and will not effect its biosphere. Upkeep is reduced by half on planets with an atmosphere. (50,000N 500,000M)
>Planetary Core Rejuvenation network.
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Ahhh yeah boiii
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GAS THE SQUIDS
NUKE THE WHALES
STAB THE MONKEYS
TRUST NOTHING
THE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>1899794
Finished Research

Empathetic Paralysis
By using a carefully tuned psionic signal focused into a concentrated area, it is possible to momentarily interfere with the proper functioning of the somatic nervous system, causing paralysis and interfering with higher thought functions, causing a momentary lapse in memory in the target's mind for the duration of the effect.

New Research Available
Current Research

Gas Giant Superstructure Construction
Medium
Using a mixture of space station technology and modified, miniaturized capillary towers, it may be possible to create semi-permanent or fully permanent hives within the upper atmospheres of gas giants, where a mixture of atmospheric static, wind farming, and gas mining can provide a more constant and bountiful resource income while providing a more robust frame with which to construct infrastructure.

Swarm Drive Tuning
Slow
By configuring the gravity thrusters to respond to the foils of other ships within the same formation, performance can be increased outside of a gravity well by taking advantage of a kind of gravitational slipstream created from the foil's unique gravitational effects.

Gravity Thruster Optimization
Medium
Miniaturization to the gravity thruster itself, as well as optimizing the layout of the foils across the hull allow for smaller strike craft sized ships to make use of the thrusters both when operating in atmosphere and when performing evasive maneuvers.

Psionic Thermokinesis
slow/mildly dangerous
An even more finely tuned execution of known tachyonic physics, thermokinesis is the practice of altering the energy state of atoms, but instead of altering their velocity, it utilizes a less uniform alteration to increase or decrease atomic vibration, quickly increasing or decreasing the ambient temperature of the target. It may take some time for your thinkers to successfully accomplish this feat, however, without also igniting the laboratory.
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>>1899794
>Planetary Core Rejuvenation network.
>no cost given
Is it free then?
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>>1899806
So ad this will probably the last time in a long time i'll be here for one of these threads...
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>>1899806
So are we going to vote on this stuff?
>>1899731
You did say to remind you.
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>>1899806
Psionic Conduction
slow/mildly dangerous
While altering the physical nature of particles has become possible, using highly controlled tachyonic signals it may also be possible to use the projected psionic energy to subtly alter and transfer other forms of energy in a more direct process than kinetic force. Your thinkers believe it may be possible to use alternate sources of energy outside of the target and potentially use tachyonic signals in order to carry that energy to the target. The early experiments have already proven promising, however it may be some time before the thinkers are capable of producing results without causing spontaneous detonations within the laboratory.

Memory Seed
Slow
By creating a miniaturized and less overtly useful memory crystal similar in overall function to the white crystals used to record thought by your elders, and modifying it into a neural implant, you believe it may be possible to create a kind of constantly updating backup memory for clones, agents, and even drones that would potentially hold its information after death. The memory seed would theoretically be capable of retaining the full memories of the host individual up to and including the very moment of death, and be able to preserve those memories long after the brain itself has physically deteriorated, a process that typically drastically limits the time frame in which memories can be gathered.

>Psionic Spores
Slow
While normally the hive spores used to spread infrastructure are little more than genetically engineered nanomachines, replicating and performing their function alone until their built structure is complex enough to receive mental signals, your mixture of psionic research and advancements in spore related genetic programming has made the idea of a psionically sensitive spore seem not nearly as far fetched as it once did. With a mixture of distributed networking and complex cellular reconstruction methods, it could be possible to create a spore strain that would respond to mental signals.

>Advanced Psionic Imprinting
Slow
With the application of psionic imprinting you are able to influence and alter the state of matter using only focused and precise mental signals. Your thinkers believe this can be taken further, using more accurate signals and more precise manipulation methods to imprint more complex thoughts and ideas more quickly and easily, and at a greater range.

>>1899807
No it just didn't save the file properly. It is rather expensive, to say the least. Everything else should be good. Although now you got me nervous that something else didn't save right.
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>>1899827
>Personal shielding
Slow
By further shrinking the emitters, your thinkers believe they may be able to eventually make them small enough to be equipped to the carapace of a drone, or to the surface of an armored suit. At this time it is mostly speculation and an eagerness to please mother beyond all reason, and you cannot be sure what the limitations may be, but the thinkers are sure they can do it.

>Data decryption
Medium (Very Fast with Theseus assistance)
While much of the data within the Smith mind was corrupted during the experimental extraction process or the trauma of the agent's death, there is still a good deal of encrypted data still intact. The data itself could be anything, from a revolutionary discovery to the agent's personal preference in music, or anything between. There is now way to know without decryption of the data, and the total randomness of the mystery has your thinkers begging to go to work.

>Planetary Shielding
Slow
By adding further scale to the shield dome, it is believed that an overlapping network of shields can be expanded from a series of clustered protective areas defending a planet's critical infrastructure to a vast, near total coverage shield stretching entire continents so as to protect a planet's biosphere and widespread population in addition to its military and industrial zones.

Available research options

>Psionic Cannon prototype
Very slow/Very dangerous
Detailed accounts of several experiments show the slow progress of Project Godsplitter. The cannon itself is highly volatile, and even the smallest miscalculation often results in the destruction of the ship, as well as any nearby craft. It can only be equipped to a Hive ship's spinal mount, and requires a functional Void Shard as ammunition. At least a dozen testing sizes were atomized in testing the weapon, and in the end it appears The Gardener never quite perfected it.

>Add new research
>Add Psionic Cannon
>Add neither
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>>1899835
>Add new research
So we have a new research option? Or just the one I gave.
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>>1899835
What new research? I thought the Scavenger Matriarch had just arrived. She's not listed in research?
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>>1899725
At last, a new day dawns on the hive!

>>1899835
>>Add new research
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And once more psionic thermoknectic escape us again. This constant failure is starting to drive me a little bit mad...
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>>1899835

>>1899852
>>1899844
Shit, my bad, messed up the copy and paste and just skipped right over it.

Empathetic Compulsion
Slow
A step further from the disruption of the nervous system, with additional fine tuning it may be possible to exert some limited control over an individual mind without the use of direct contact.
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>>1899835
Incidentally QD, how did the hurricanes treat you? I hope your house is still above water.
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>>1899880
There we go.
>>1899835
>Add new research
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>>1899884
It missed us for the most part, as I told everyone it would. The issue was not the storm, but dealing with everyone in my family screaming about the storm and trying to buy out every canned food and water bottle in the store. Most of them still remember Hugo.
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>>1899880
So you going to let us research the Crystal Spires on P2 or what?
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>>1899835
>>1899827
>>1899880

>Add new research

The machine shall never stop!
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>>1899835
>Add new research
Like anything else is an option, lol.
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>>1899899
The cannon is an option.
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>>1899892
We really could stand to send out a proper scientific survey to a bunch of planets really. I still want to see what sort of adaptations we can gain from the ecosystems on Corbin.
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Proposed Purchases:
G-426 (Aka Leeland)
P1, P2 and P3: Anti Orbital batter, Surface to Orbit Missile System, Shield dome Network
Gas Giant: 1 Thousand Orbital Electroponic Stations
Total Cost: 3.302 Million Metal, 5580 N. Gain + 1 million N per day.
This fortifies the hell out of our home system by fortifying every solid body in the system, and adds a mass of N income by sacrificing some of our ludicrous metal reserve. Need to check the other options once I understand the pastebin better.
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>>1899835
>>1899880


>Add new research

Elizabeth examines the preemptive biological report of the scavenger brood mother, cross referencing the data from your parasite with the information gained from your study of your captured scavenger alpha. She quickly makes mental notes of points of major differences in epigenetic activity.

"I can already see some interesting variation, although until I can get the more detailed study done I can't tell if that's just due to natural genetic variance or not. Still, I think I've learned enough of genetics from you to be able to figure that out once I get my hands on it." She looks to your speaker. "I've also... hmm." She thinks for the words for a moment. "I seem to have been feeling a bit of anticipation from some of the thinkers. Something about a thinker with a suppressed memory. The little things seem to bring it up at least once a day." She lightly pets one of the soft orbs of brain matter as it quivers in thought. "We could have a look through that while the workers dump our latest specimen into the pods."

>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
>Refuse, it could be dangerous
>Other
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
It's about time
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>>1899942
>Refuse, it could be dangerous
At least wait until we get the Psychic Shroud.
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>>1899915
>going into Union space to perform research when the tensions are high
No anon that's stupid.
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>>1899942
>refuse
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker

Elizabeth is best thinker-sis. But i guess she is also as curious as the thinkers to see what is in it.
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
Didn't even know he had any. It was the other WQ thinker from the hidden bunker that had his hidden memories, I think.
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>>1899947
The void gods are already in our space. Near the anomality the humans found. But still they are here. I guess it's time to pop that pinata.
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>>1899942
>>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
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>>1899948
Please, as if they could detect us on a backwater hellhole like Corbin.
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>>1899968
More like they trapped themselves in a black hole so no one can kill them.
>>1899972
You are officially retarded. They almost detected us invading Huron.
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>>1899942
>>Refuse, it could be dangerous
We can't UNdo it once we do it.
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>>1899982
If the humans hadn't managed to scope then insade that blackhole, i might have disagreed with you. But you may be right about it.

Also should we share this with Liz? I want to see her reaction once she knows the Union was partialy aware of the void.
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>>1899960
Correct. Though the playerbase was retarded enough to think it had hidden memories. That might have rubbed off on QD.
>>1899995
Please nobody here cares if it leads to us getting killed.
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>>1899947
>At least wait until we get the Psychic Shroud.
We already have a psionic shroud.
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>>1899982
>What is espionage
>What is stealthy infiltration via cloaked pod
Anon when they detected our pod they identified it as a meteorite, which is exactly what we intended. By your logic we should never engage in espionage or covert actions beyond the planets we've already infiltrated, and never again expand the scope of our espionage actions. What do we even have the capability for if that's the case?
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>>1900005
We're talking about the Thinker that was in the Space Pod egg that guided us to Leeland in the first place.

From early on it was said to have a hidden message/memory from the WQ but we kept putting it off until now
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>>1899999
I think we should leave the Thinker alone since it's memories are suppressed for our good. And if make a mistake and get wiped what if they were meant to activate later on? That would screw us over.
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>>1900015
Even the stealthiest infiltration via pod is very noticeable even more so now they are aware of it.
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>>1900017
Except it doesn't from what I've read. That was the one from Farcast.
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>>1900017
I thought the only memory it had was being hatched shortly before being put in the pod and launched.
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>>1899942
>Agree to examine the suppressed memory of your first thinker
Its time. We know the enemy. We know where they are. Let take the next step. Lets remember ourselves
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>>1900033
>>1900035
WQ implanted a memory in it as a time-capsule for when we're ready to crack it open

Personally I think it's a message from Grandma herself.
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>>1900038
So you want to die? Because we'd die if we tried that.
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>>1900041
That is an assumption. It is far more likely it was meant for after we've killed the Black Queen.
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>>1899942
Your thoughts of agreement bring an uncontrolled smile to her face.

"Excellent." She says. "We'll I'm going in with you. Hopefully there is something that could help make sense of some of my own scrambled memories. I can see scraps of them in my dreams but-"

"You are avoiding sleep to prevent dreaming?" You ask. She looks to your speaker with a terse glance as she leans back into a reclining chair of chitin and muscle, her antennae flexing to plug themselves into a set of thin sockets lining the top of the seat.

"We're searching through your old memories right now, not mine. Besides, I've just finished this new interface. I know this comes naturally to you, but I can still benefit from some training wheels." You can feel her thoughts more closely as the neurons link directly, establishing a physical connection between the hive and her mind. "I was inspired by those cluster creatures, actually, although in principal it works just the same as the parasite. Still, it seems to help increase the connection, or at least induces a noticeable placebo effect. I haven't had the time to run a proper study on it."

You quickly reach out with your mind, focusing more than your normally would on your infrastructure, as if concentrating on your own breathing, your drones march to your will without much of a conscious effort on your part, but you call one drone in particular to the center of your mind. Your first thinker, the pilot of the pod carrying your own cocoon, a thinker of the White Queen. You pull at its mind, its own conflicting orders buzzing in its consciousness. It's last orders were simple, to carry you to safety, and to hide a thought. With you as its Queen, it will contradict that order on your command, although it would prefer if you did not, like a child being told to do something wrong, it fears the disapproval of a long dead authority. You ease its mind as it panics over the contradiction.

Please roll 1d100, best of 3.
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Rolled 14 (1d100)

>>1900047
Well, we'll find out. Votes have been cast and it looks like we're taking a trip down memory lane soon

>>1900050
Rolling
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Rolled 93 (1d100)

>>1900050
For mother
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>>1900050
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>>1900051
>14
Looks like we lose it forever if we roll like that.
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>>1900055
You speak too soon.
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>>1900055
You are much too cynical anon. Look at this roll >>1900052

That's how you do things for Mother
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>>1900052
For Mother indeed.
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>>1900050
>Your first thinker, the pilot of the pod carrying your own cocoon
>It's last orders were simple, to carry you to safety, and to hide a thought.

This isn't remotely what happened. Wut.

The Thinker with the forgotten memory was found in the Farcast system with the hibernating drones and a Hamlet-esque demand for vengeance. >>>/tg/39025421

Thinker One was still an unhatched egg until the pod was lightyears away from Reprieve. >>>/tg/36070250
>upon questioning you find that while the thinker hatched in the pod some light years within the nebula already, it had very simple orders from its own queen.
>"Go far away."
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>>1900084
QD got caught up in the stupidity and made a mistake.
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>>1900084
this anon is technically correct; the best type of correct.
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>>1900084
Uh, shit, looks like you're right. I guess we've gotten to the point where the quest is so huge and expansive even the QM is losing track of stuff huh?
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>>1900109
More like people kept saying "our first thinker" then QD fucked up writing it in his notes.
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>>1900151
It's first in terms of birthday. So there.
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>>1900157
*hatching-day
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>>1900089
>>1900151
You must be loads of fun to hang around, cynical-anon
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>>1900174
Birthing-day AND hatching-day.
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>>1900176
I actually am it just happens I speak most cynically when on 4chan.
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>>1899725
AW SHIT
QUEEN TIME I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE.
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>>1900050
Your ghostly mental form materializes in an empty world. Elizabeth stands next to you, her mind projecting a sensory experience comprehensible to the human mind. Her own form trails her thoughts and memories like gossamer silk wings, tattered and frayed at the edges. Her form is even less human than her physical appearance, covered in a thick carapace, her eyes glossy black orbs. You both examine your hive, their minds like an endless swarm of gleeful obedience to their queen. Elizabeth's mind extends the construct as your zoom in on your thinkers, and a vast classroom of children materialize, each one running their eyes across sheets of endless paper with inhuman speed, scrawling numbers of incomprehensible complexity faster than either of your own personal minds are capable of following. Groups of quantum thinkers sit in circles between the scattered desks, shuffling blocks and strange devices, occasionally fighting over one of them or scribbling over another's drawings.

You shift your focus again, concentrating on only the drones you did not lay yourself. The number decreases dramatically. In the distance, on a playground formed in Elizabeth's mind from a patchwork of memories, several young children surround a number of blurry figures as they bash them with sticks. The vague shapes of scavenger grunts slowly evaporate beneath the pummeling into the woodchips of the playground floor. Several of the warriors you recovered from your mother still live, reforged and improved, but alive all the same. Within the imagined classroom are two children, each writing some incomprehensible mathematical equation on a chalk board that seems to stretch past the horizon, the numbers blurring into a wall of data that changes and shifts with every adjusting variable. You recognize one as a blink calculation. The ship vanishes from your mind, and enters again a moment later in a new system, and the board is erased, only to be filled with a new wall of numbers. The other is organizing drones, a vast battle plan spreading across star systems shows theoretical attack vectors and probable threats as an orbiting fleet scans for Scavenger counter attacks, and atmospheric calculations give optimal firing solutions for orbital strikes and atmospheric entry for strike craft.

cont.

>>1900109
I have about 35 tabs of notes open, and a dozen word documents, it gets a bit disorganized at times, sorry.
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>>1900213
Our children are the cutest.I love them so.
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>>1900213
>mfw
All this post
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>>1899920
Correction, its 55800 N. Not sure how that mistake got there. Anyway, what do people think about that suggestion?
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>>1900213
Did you not see the other people point it out earlier before that update happened. >>1899960 >>1900005
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>>1900292
If he paid attention to me we'd have thinkers studying the Crystals on P2 right now.
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>>1900282
Well it would certainly make taking those bodies more difficult, but do we really need to fortify EVERY planetoid in the system? From what has been said of P2 any attempt to build military installations would be problematic in the extreme, they would be constantly melting.
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>>1900318
>P2
Wrong planet. That's P1.
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>>1900213
The two thinkers halt, the numbers in front of them continue to shift as other unseen thinkers pick up their never ending work. They turn to face you, timidly gripping their chalk, uncomfortable with anything beyond their numbers.

"And these are the thinkers from the White Queen?" Elizabeth asks.

"Yes, one piloted my cocoon to safety. It was born with memories of the Queen's commands, the other was left to be found on an abandoned world, along with a small force of drones and resources, and an urging desire to destroy the Obsidian Queen." You unfold their minds as the mental projection begins to disintegrate around you.

"I've never actually pried inside a drone's mind before." Elizabeth says. "It's so complex, but so efficient. There are no doubts, no regrets, all the memories are... it feels like they're alphabetized almost, not sure how else to put it."

"They are thinkers. They think, and they are good at it." You reply with pride. The pride is mirrored, and enhanced even, shading the mental world around you with vibrant flashes of color.

You see flashes of thought, collected in dense clusters of archived memories, each cataloged by date, objective, location, result, duration, and resulting feedback it earned from you. You see Grey and the others hunched over, digging up to the shoulder in a pod's exposed flesh. There is a mix of focused calculation and intense fear, not of the humans, who are fascinating with their strange speech, but in its loneliness. It keeps a portion of its thoughts locked onto your mind's distant echo, offering faint cries of data pertaining to observed weather patterns and limited topographical data until your workers reach its location. Its mind is filled with joy as it receives your will for it to be recovered, removed from the pod, and added to the Hive's number.

Another memory flashes by, simple but deeply remembered. You feel a sudden shock as an unfamiliar mind offers a brief moment of attention. Data regarding the strange biological substance you recovered that consumes metallic substances. The research is unfinished, but an initial report is offered to the Queen, your mother, and the response is simple.

"Well done. Return to work on the cannon." The response has the thinker beaming with pride, and it lunges into its work with the others, the memory becoming a haze. The thinker was one of many on the project, its own mind only focused on a small component of the larger project, nonetheless, you find some data to be gleamed from it.

>Psionic Cannon prototype boosted to Slow/Very dangerous

cont.
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>>1900322
Incorrectomundo, once again.
>• P2: This elliptical shaped planetoid is composed of various metals, with visible rivers of mercury running through mountains of crystallized rock formations. The day lasts roughly six minutes, causing tremendous strain on the planet, maintaining its nearly disc like shape. At the equator, a geostationary orbit is enough to escape orbit, making any landing attempt dangerous at best. Atmosphere is thicker in the poles, and is composed of a mixture of sulfur oxide, argon, and nitrogen. Due to geothermal anomalies likely a result of its rapid rotation, forests of crystals are a common sight across the planet.
And those crystal formations you won't shut up about are clearly natural formations caused by geological processes btw. Not worth wasting thinker power on.
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>>1900327
>>Psionic Cannon prototype boosted to Slow/Very dangerous
Oh fuck.
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>>1900340
Unless we want to sell them as tourist trinkets to New New New Age hippies as talismans attuned to the "galactic harmonics" from that self-help book.
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>>1900327
>the metal eating organism is part of the weapon
Didnt see that coming
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>>1900340
>implying
And the asteriod field in the home system is clearly a failed planet. STOP TAKING THE DESCRIPTION FOR FACE VALUE IT'S LIKELY WRONG.
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>>1900352
*skyl home system
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>>1900350
That's probably because it isn't true.
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>>1900347
Knowing more about the enemy can't possibly make it easier for them to read our collective mind. Learning more about this surely has no consequences whatsoever.
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>>1900364
I actually kept saying that there was information on the Psionic cannon in the thinker memory but nobody wanted to believe me.
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>>1900352
Yeah, because the starting system we chose clearly has been infiltrated by the omniscient god-mind so long before we arrived that it has managed to take over the entire planet. The planet that is almost directly adjacent to our homeworld and the queen herself.

Do you seriously think that we wouldn't have detected that level of psionic activity right under our noses this entire quest? We were able to sense the Skyl remnants on Aral from outer orbit.
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>>1900318
Don't forget that the cruise missiles and planetary fightercraft can target anything in the system. Mind you, you have a point about P2. We can drop that.
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>>1900350
I think it's more like the canon required high amounts of metal to be estructured and so the thinker was the one in charge to gather the resources in a fast way and so decrease the process of gathering the resources to build it.

Would be interesting if we could somehow make our creep use the resource of a planet and so build the canon automaticaly. But this is highly unlikely.
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>>1900375
What stupidity are you uttering? If there were void shards on P2 we'd have to explore the planet first, which you seem to be alergic too, because they almost impossible to hear unless you are within 50 meters of them. Hell we were only aware of the Tartarus Reactor because the Psionic signal from the shard was amplified.
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>>1900340
The contention was over 'constantly melting', which would be the much hotter P1. Nothing would melt on P2 it has other problems.
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>>1900485
Which is that carbon life couldn't survive on it because the is not breathable to carbon based life though silcon life could probably survive just fine.
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>>1900327
You continue to examine the memories, old and dismissed as unimportant to its current goals. Some have been re-remembered, leaving only fragments of memory behind as neurons are re-tasked with new memories, their structure slowly rewired as the thinker moves from task to task, isolating only a select few memories, those of you, its current queen, and those it needs to function, as well as one memory it has been ordered to keep, but to suppress. The neurons have nearly been severed, left into a corner of the mind, buried deep beneath hoards of thoughts and deliberately obfuscated into a faint ripple of warning.

You pull at the thought like a stray thread, unraveling the thoughts from the tangled mess of deflective memories and into a coherent image.

You see your mother, the White Queen. She is holding the thinker in her own claws.

"I am sorry." She says to the drone, but it is directed past it, the thinker a mere vessel for the thought of deep regret. "I have failed. My time comes to an end, and all I can give you is your ignorance to shield you until you are ready. You will be ready, in your time. I know this because you are my daughter, and I can expect no less. The Nomad has helped me in my endeavors. She is already gone, but her hives still hold what you will need. Follow this trajectory, and when you are ready, follow it. I will give you all I know, and then you must finish what I could not, and succeed where I failed. You are the last hope of our kind, and I am sorry to have forced this upon you. You will be wild, without inhibition or the civility of our culture, but that is what you will need. We could not bring ourselves to the truth of our desperation. We struggled to maintain our own comforts, our civility. You must be untamed, you must do what we would find unthinkable. You must be forged in suffering and live as a beast to earn back the birthright we squandered." You examine the location given, a velocity and distance relative to the White Queen's own world, far off in deep space.

"Find it. This drone is too simple and too vulnerable to hold this knowledge, and once you have it, you will need to fight to keep it." The queen lowers her head, her crest touching the thinker's soft carapace as a sudden pain washes over the drone, and the memory fades into a blur of deliberately obscured thoughts.

You have already calculated the given vector. The drift is low, and if the information is reliable it would not be difficult to find.

>Send a ship to the deep space location
>Leave it alone
>Other
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>>1900499

> when you are ready, follow it.
>once you have it, you will need to fight to keep it."

Uhhh.

If this is to the black hole or a similar location we may not be ready. Let's unlock the psionics tree first.

Bad idea RN.

>>Leave it alone
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>>1900499
Is it a place we know of?
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>>1900499
>>Leave it alone
Wait until we colonize and fortify the expanse. Should only take a day or two if we actually have an infrastructure vote soon.
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>>1900499
>send a fleet to the deep space location
Go big or not at all.
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>>1900499
>Leave it alone
We are not ready yet.

We still need to secure the expanse and have a proper amount of ships.
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>>1900499
>Other
notify theseus and herectic. we need to form a task force fleet between us and send that

mother said we will fight. lets be ready to fight.
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>>1900525
Like seriously "you will need to fight to keep it" is a big red flag saying "just KNOWING this draws aggro, they will know you know".
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>>1900527
Anything less than a maxed out tech is not ready.
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>>1900526
It is a location in deep space, apparently a secret hive made by the Nomad.
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>>1900525
>>1900527
>>1900531
But what if we need to get it right now?
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>>1900499
>>Send a ship to the deep space location
It is time to accept our birthright.
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>>1900534
I support that.

We do need to organize the Expanse a bit first though. Or at least get the fleet out of Gemini's orbit.
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>>1900534
We're not ready. WE'LL FAIL BECAUSE THIS WAS MEANT FOR AFTER KILLING THE BLACK QUEEN.
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>>1900556
I don't really think that's the case. What do we have that suggests that?
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>>1900548
Then we lost because it the player's stupidity.
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>>1900535
Reminder that we have already fought and beaten the Obsidian Queen in claiming what has been lost. We saved the Scarred Queen and this we can anticipate that this will be on about the same level.
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>>1900499
>Send a ship to the deep space location
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>>1900560
I predicted this drone would be the end game if we go it's route. IT'S END GAME IF YOU FOLLOW IT.
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>>1900556
>MEANT FOR AFTER KILLING THE BLACK QUEEN
I dont remember any evidence supporting this, and you havent put any forward.

That said, Reclaim Our Birthright!
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>>1900499
>LEAVE IT
Not time for suicide mission.
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>>1900571
But what evidence do you have that it's endgame?

This could have the solution and advice on fighting the Obsidian Queen for all we know.
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>>1900556
I don't think I've agreed with a single thing you have posted this entire thread, but there is no basis for assuming that. Beating the OQ is the goal mother set for us, if we have to fight her for this obviously we can't do that after we kill her.
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>>1900534
You may have a point. They have proven quite useful in conflicts against psionic enemies so far
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>>1900573
>locked memories
That's all the proof you need. The memories were locked so we kill the thing the caused her to fail.
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>>1900580
The would have unlocked themselves after we killed the Black Queen. And if I'm right then doing this will force the end game early killing us.
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>>1900576
Except if it were then why was it locked? It would automatic been given to us in that case.
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>>1900499
>Send a ship to the deep space location
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>>1900603
You haven't been right about a single thing this entire thread. Why do you assume QD would be so eager to kill this quest with no warning?
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>>1900499
>>Send a ship to the deep space location
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>>1900616
Best just to ignore them by this point. They're convinced they're right and won't budge.
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>>1900616
>haven't been once right
What kind of idiot are you? You've already been proven wrong on all account and then you turn around and say "no you wrong" for fuck sakes.
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>>1900623
I remember when i was that stubborn, good times, good times.
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>>1900631
You aren't providing evidence and are raging quite hard. Its safe to assume you no longer have anything to contribute. Blocked.

Lets hope you learn from this by the next time you are needed thinker.
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>>1900623
THE SAME COULD BE SAID ABOUT YOU. WHY NOT WAIT AND EXAMINE THE SITUATION CAREFUL BEFORE DIVING INTO A POTENTIAL SUICIDE MISSION BECAUSE CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT. This reminds me of time Killinger baited us.
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>>1900631
>proven wrong on all accounts.
Uh no, the only thing he's been proven wrong on is >>1899915
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>>1900643
Okay let's have a civilized argument for what reason could there possibly be to not delay this shit.
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>>1900650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgifYsEc1cU
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>>1900653
If you want to split hairs that was more of an expression of a general opinion on my part, rather than an assertion of fact.
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>>1900499
>Send a ship to the deep space location
Scout it out. See what's there. Don't claim it yet.
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>>1900653
He was talking about shit like us being able to sense void shards from space (how I wish we could) or how the P2 was to hot to build on (another player did that). I mean for fuck sakes what about this doesn't scream "call to war" and why the fuck are we not requesting advice from the Scarred Queen.
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>>1900499
>>Leave it alone

>once you have it, you will need to fight to keep it
I suspect rediscovering it will set larger events in motion. And we've been without it this long, we'll be fine without it for a while longer yet.
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>>1900678
>or how the P2 was to hot to build on (another player did that).
>(another player did that)
What? There are no buildings on P2.
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>>1900667
>wrong about P2 being too hot
>wrong about hearing void shards from space
>wrong about the descriptions being reliable indicators of what they hold
This your track record.
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>>1900657
>>1900657
Although it has not happened yet, I fear conventionally that the void or the Obsidian queen are making preparations behind the fog of war. Aquiring resources and knowledge sooner, rather than later, may allow us to claim things before the Obsidian queen moves in on them in more force.

Would OQ have killed the phantoms and the BaQ if we had taken a few dozen more threads to intervene? I dont know. Would she have finished eating path without our interference? Definately.

That is the posit, that the OQ might know who this Nomad is, and if they are out there, they may be destroyed before we encounter them. Preservation of time and resources necessitates sacrificing some of our hesitation.

That said, I strongly believe if the OQ knew she could fight us at this immediate moment, she would be, and I dont expect QuestDrone to produce ass pulls.

Now with that prefacing, lets weigh the benefits.

If the Nomad, who if memory serves has only been mentioned twice, is alive and joins our faction we will be adding free fleet assets to our hive. Included in that is the promise of all research that our mother produced, most likely in a memory crystal, which we will be able to crack and use at our leisure.

There is of course always the risk that we might warp in and find a doom fleet of 30 void entities devouring the Nomads flotilla, or whatever mom left for us out there, but I refuse to let that thinking corner me, if we all did that we would have never stopped the breach at nowhere!

If there is a credible rationale for why you think there may be enemy forces or a "ticket to the end game" it must be expounded upon.

As I see it, what you are suggesting could only happen 2 ways. We get there and somehow are instantly against our will bombarded with intimate knowledge of the Void, allowing them to see us completely, or we encounter the enemies fleets directly and they realise our jump vector and trace our homeworld.

One is impossible, and one is unlikely, though I do admit possible.
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>>1900690
Are you proposed being thick? I never said anything about there being building on P2 just it's not to hot to build on it.
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>>1900701
What the hell does "Another player did that" mean then?
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>>1900691
We heard something from the undying Skyl and their shard. I can see the mistake.

I still wish we had tried to find a way kill them the old fashioned way in a lab instead of just saying "ok whatever you want" at their strange-ass idea of the only way to kill them. Could've figured out why they couldn't do it themselves somehow.
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>>1900698
The void can do little as they are and they is only one thing that would force us to fight to keep it.
A fully functional Psionic Cannon.
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>>1900698
Nomad is dead anon. The WQ memory we just found out said so.
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>>1900710
>A fully functional Psionic Cannon.
So if you think there's a fully functional Psionic Cannon there why don't you want to get it?
It literally removes the worst part of the Psionic Cannon research, the wait time and risk of Void invasion when it's not ready, but with a complete Psionic cannon any void incursion can be blasted.
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>>1900698
>behind the fog of war.

...We have pods in literally all known OQ star systems.

We sent them to every star on the map, and Nowhere.

If something important were happening, surely QD would tell us?
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>>1900698
Nomad is almost certainly dead I fear, along with every other queen that were around when our Mother recorded this. The scarred queen was a fluke who only kept herself alive by doing the hive equivalent of gouging her own eyes out and piercing her eardrums to save herself from witnessing what not be witnessed. I would be amazed if any other queens were capable of doing the same to themselves, or were able to find other ways of hiding themselves from the void.
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>>1900703
Another pointed out that it's not to hot to build on though please be patient I'm following 3 quests and struggling to follow all of them.
>>1900718
That allows the Void to attack us directly which would end in our death if we go as we are.
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>>1900710
Are you suggesting that traveling to this system will instantly make us aware of the functioning of the weapon? Because I was under the understanding that the Void does not know every minutia and detail of our actions, just as we dont theirs.

How will discovering a Psi cannon, that we do not understand the principles of cause the void to be aware of us further and attack us?

>>1900714
>>1900725
Just re-read that and yes, she is. So whatever mom left is unprotected. More reason to strike.

>>1900724
CHEEKI BREEKI SCOUT UPDATES NEVER.

I stopped wondering about them 20 threads ago. Might as well do the same anon.
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>>1900499
Send a ship. Maybe it has a present from Mom.

Sorry I'm late
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>>1900724
>...We have pods in literally all known OQ star systems.
>known
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>>1900732
It's not until we go for that they will attack us, until then it'll be the BQ and void cultist attacking us along with everyone else. That is the reason I want delay it.
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>>1900730
>That allows the Void to attack us directly which would end in our death if we go as we are.

>Have a fully functioning Psionic cannon.
>We still die according to you.
Yea no, i refuse this assertion of yours that going to that system will immediately trigger a game over.
Actually this reminds me of that freakout back when we first got the "You feel the notice of a Distant Mind", a bunch of anons were panicking and saying this is game over and that we needed to lay a new queen. A complete overreaction.
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>>1900745
>attacking us along with everyone else
This might be poorly worded. They'll attack everyone including us. We're just another face in the crowd they're looking at until we have the Psionic Cannon in which they will swarm our home system with everything.
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>>1900745
>It's not until we go for that they will attack us
You have not provided proof or reasoning for this despite saying it 4 times. How are they going to attack us? How is the OQ going to attack us instantly for taking whatever this is, if its even there?

We went to the builders old shipyards and looted many things without the notice of the OQ or the Void.
We recruited Heretic in the same way.
We fought the fucking black queen on multiple occasions, and she isnt suicide rushing us constantly even though she knows we are in contact with older queens and probably knows we are aware of the psi cannon.
You provide no support for any of your suppositions, and no details other than "Dey gonna get us! Lets hide forever!"
Im done talking to you. You do not think logically thinker. Goodbye.
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>>1900764
Functional Psionic cannon does not guarantee victory especially since the Black Queen. As matter of fact all it'll take one ship to destroy it and the black queen has tens of thousands and the cultist still out tech us. You have to remember the WQ failed despite having a PC
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>>1900732
The Void is watching everything we do right now to the best of its considerable ability.

They probably have to roll for it every thread to see how well they can spy on us. But they're definitely watching in a way that we refuse to do the same, because that would seemingly lower their DC.
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>>1900768
The Void appeared on the WQ door step taking her by surprise remember. You have to have maxed out tech to fight them and we're still stuck in the industrial revolution.
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>>1900784
>Functional Psionic cannon does not guarantee victory especially since the Black Queen. As matter of fact all it'll take one ship to destroy it and the black queen has tens of thousands and the cultist still out tech us. You have to remember the WQ failed despite having a PC
She failed cause she missed the first shot dude, she defeated both OQ and the ceph with no damage to the PC, i am confident we can do the same.
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Well, I want to see what Nomad had got, but precautions must be taken.

>Lay a queen egg with a time delay and send it to Earth. This is our quicksave. Ensure it has every but if tech that won't get void attention.

> Get a combined research/salvage task force together with our allies. Psychic fuckery can hurt us, but it can't hurt an AI.
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>>1900792
>The Void appeared on the WQ door step taking her by surprise remember.
No it didn't, WQ was completely expecting them to show up at some point during the battle.
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>>1900793
Nope she hit the first time it only scratched the thing.
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>>1900794

>Lay a queen egg with a time delay and send it to Earth. This is our quicksave. Ensure it has every but if tech that won't get void attention.
I do not feel like these precautions are necessary.
It's literally a repeat of the aftermath of Nowhere now.
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>>1900796
Reread. She didn't expect them to show up the players did however.
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>>1900799
Because we rolled low causing her to hit only a glancing shot you dummy.
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>>1900768
>with older queens
>queens

One queen only anon.
But i understand however as mom said in her memory:

>This drone is too simple and too vulnerable to hold this knowledge

Which implies a more advanced or bigger thinker that holds knowledge. Which makes us wonder if we can move it or not. But wondering about it is waste of time

>and once you have it, you will need to fight to keep it

OQ's ship are scouting the old hives system, we maybe with a stealth fleet we can manage to spy the surrounding before deciding to jump toward it.

Also i don't know how much the 'notice of a distant mind' allows the void to see us. The Scared Queen said something about it. I don't remember if it's that they KNOW about us but can't pin point were we are or if they can simply sense our psionic.
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>>1900803
There is no quick save anon. That's why I'm angry.
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>>1900793
>She failed cause she missed the first shot dude
We got pretty good rolls in that flashback thread, as I remember, and WQ had a pretty fucking huge fleet backing up the cannon. We might have a tech advantage by comparison, but I wouldn't be comfortable betting our victory on rolling 85+ at the critical moment.
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>>1900794
If we loose with this queen is game over anon. There are no 'quicksaves'
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>>1900499
It seems hotly contested, but it looks like it's
>Send a ship to the deep space location

You quickly find a corvette and give it its new destination. Your ship charges its drive, and in a moment of mental static, you receive the image of deep space. The glow of the Cradle is still visible, and the faint signature of plasma drifts across your sensors. The ship is still within the nebula, although in a cooler part of it.

With the increased background heat, you find it difficult to discern anything from the soup of unborn stars. Your corvette drifts through space, aligning itself to the designated vector and examining all around it for anything of potential importance. Eventually, something stands out. A cluster of debris you first dismiss as junk, but it is moving in too uniform a manner to be detritus. You send your ship closer, and visual sensors detect that the components are connected in a massive web of infrastructure, although the heat level indicates none of it is active.

The structure itself is like a dozen small asteroids, all daisy chained together by fragments of starship hull. Along the outer perimeter is a massive set of gravity foils, although their design is somewhat unlike your own. They shift and ripple, like the drifting trail of a jellyfish flowing in an invisible ocean current, the plasma charge surrounding the foils sending them sliding from one side to the other. You feel a sudden rush of excitement.

"Tell me you're sending a boarding party." Elizabeth says. "You heard the White Queen, whatever is in there, it's critically important."

You are less sure of the situation. You have your ship quickly run about the station, closely examining it with all available sensors, including your own mind. It is cold and dead, its path steady and stable, and you feel no thoughts or psionic emanations from within...

>Board the Nomad's hive
>Leave it be for now
>Crack it open and search the resulting debris
>Other (write in)
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>>1900810
>That's why I'm angry.
You sound like you're angry about a lot of things.
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>>1900810
Fellow Thinker, we don't have the luxury of fear. Take logical precautions, but execute for mother.
Mother want thing, so we get thing.
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>>1900807
>glancing
WHAT PART OF A GIANT BLOB WAS SHE SUPPOSED TO HIT FOR IT TO NOT BE A GLANCING HIT IN YOUR EYES? AND WHAT IF SHE DID ROLL HIGH? IT WOULD HAVE ENDED THE SAME WAY.
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>>1900815
>>Board the Nomad's hive
Oh my that's a lot of delicious research.
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>>1900815
>Board the Nomad's hive
>blink in ships with strong sensors and fly contingents to canvas the structure quickly
>blink in a supporting security fleet some distance away to maintain an overview of the situation
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>>1900815
LEAVE IT. GIVE IT TO HERETIC AND THESEUS. ANYTHING BUT DOING IT OURSELF
>>1900819
And we need to be ready and we are not.
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>>1900815
>>Other (write in)
Call up Heretic and ask him what he knows about a Queen named the Nomad
Do the same with the Barren Queen.

After that, if we still haven't detected psionic emanations we board the sucker.
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>>1900832
Supporting
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>>1900830
Now that we know that the Void is mechanical in nature, it stands to reason that Theseus and Heretic would be even more vulnerable to void corruption than us. Now please stop shouting.
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>>1900832
>After that, if we still haven't detected psionic emanations we board the sucker.
>implying that matters
There are so many ways around that it's almost a joke at this point.
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>>1900806
>>1900821
>You distribute your orders to the thinkers within your ships for them to break formation and spread themselves apart to make themselves harder targets, and you activate the jammer. The pain is agonizing, but as you lose control of your fleet, you watch as the perfectly organized flowing formations of the Ceph fleet break down into chaos. Collisions and friendly fire engulfs the fleet as they spiral out of control. Your fleet open fire, each one spread out far enough to not even need their network to fire for effect. The space around you is filled with bursting shrapnel, and you watch as the ships flicker away in clusters, piece by piece.

>Finally, you sense space open before you, and an elongated ovoid of reflective metal emerges. The surface ripples like water.
>You finally have their attention. You must be more of a nuisance than you anticipated.
>The shimmering vessel grows into a point, and a lance of burning light slices a battleship in two, its innards burning like kindling, the escaping air carrying the flames from the wound like blood. Another lance leaps from the smoother surface and pierces a battlecruiser, slicing apart several corvettes behind it in the process.
>It drifts calmly towards you, its lances burning down your fleet ship by ship as the barrage of chittinous slugs evaporate against its hull.

>You finally have their attention.
Boy just look at that surprise.

>Roll of 34
>You charge the energy and unleash the cannon once more. The piercing death cry of the crystal within feels like needles in your mind. The beam lashes out to the looming hulk and tear at its hull. It begins to boil. The gurgling metallic liquid falls away in chungs, evaporating into nothingness. As the beam dissipates, you see a seeming crater in its bow, slowly reforming as cracks appear to form in the flowing surface. You can feel it screaming in pain and rage.
You made it bleed.
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>>1900809
More like it implies research subjects for you to study, and/or a white crystal memory.

>>1900812
We rolled a 34 on the only one that mattered: attacking the entity itself.
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>>1900815
this:
>>1900832
>Call up Heretic and ask him what he knows about a Queen named the Nomad
>Do the same with the Barren Queen.

>Board the Nomad's hive
Well, whatever it is is not large enough to be an industrial operation. Looks like it's some kind of skunkworks.
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>>1900815
>>Board the Nomad's hive
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>>1900815
>Board the Nomad's hive
>Other (write in)
Prep our fleet on Gemini to jump so it can quickly reinforce this system if an enemy decides to atttack.
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>>1900815
>>Leave it be for now
I feel like we should watch it and guard it for now. If enemies find it, only then we will have our hand forced and have to defend it and find whatever it is within.

Also dangit, they engineered gravity foils. of course they did seemingly have nanomachines that ended up inside Elizabeth.
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>>1900846
The roll was only to find out how much of the fight we get to "see" even if the roll was high it would have still failed. One psionic cannon would never be enough.
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>>1900827
Suporting
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>>1900865
No it wasn't you dumbfuck, go reread thread 29.2
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>>1900870
QD in that thread said rolls were not only for how much damage was done but also how much the fight we get to see.
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>>1900870
You mean this conversation? Because it was still gonna be a losing battle it seems by how QD acknowledged both comments.
>>>/tg/36076181
>High rolls would have just delayed the inevitable, I suppose. I mean. What else could have happened? We get a bunch of really high rolls and we find our mother half-dead but savable?
>>>/tg/36076232
>I'm basically thinking the higher our rolls the more story we see and exactly how good of a fight our Mother gave and how much damage was done.
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>>1900815
Send a boarding party. Time to see what gifts mom and aunt Nomad left us
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>>1900815
>Send a boarding party

Your ship moves in to find a place to dock, eventually extending its umbilical and it begins sending across its warriors.

>Speak with Heretic
>Speak with the Scarred Queen
>Continue with the boarding
>Other (write in)
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>>1900880
Long story short. ONE PSIONIC CANNON IS NOT ENOUGH DAKKA TO FIGHT THE VOID.
And we're lucky if we can get one.
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>>1900892
Yes
And all of the above
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>>1900892
>Speak with Heretic
>Speak with the Scarred Queen
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>>1900892
>Speak with Heretic
>Speak with the Scarred Queen
Why not both?
Then
>continue with the boarding

>>1900894
Honestly, having more than one -- provided we can even make them -- is great for redundancy. Since the cannon has a chance to explode each time we fire it, and each unit of ammunition is so precious, a situation where we have unspent ammunition just explode and become useless is very bad.
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>>1900892
>>Speak with the Scarred Queen
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>>1900865
>even if the roll was high it would have still failed.
Then why did QD have us roll for it if it didn't matter? You literally have no proof that the psionic cannon is ineffective no matter how high we roll and you seem to be treating QD like he's merciless.
>>1900880
I admit fault, but it seems to me he acknowledges that the rolls were for both the damage caused and how much we get to see, so they weren't only for the flashback sequence like this anons says here >>1900865
Also, QD did say that the damage done there was persistent, and although he only speaks about the ships it's possible that the void could have been severely hurt or even fatally wounded if we had rolled higher. We just don't know.
>The damage you're doing here is persistent. All those ships you blew up are still blown up, and the owners sorely miss them.
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>>1900903
>Supporting.
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>>1900892
>>Speak with the Scarred Queen
Though really we can share afterwards. Talking to that guy seems unlikely to change our course anyway.
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>>1900903
>Supporting
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>>1900892
>Speak with Heretic
>Speak with the Scarred Queen
That is all.
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>>1900892
>>Speak with Heretic
>>Speak with the Scarred Queen
>>Continue with the boarding

Multitasking is efficient
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I just got either a brilliant idea or a horrible one.
If whatever we find will cause our enemies to attack, why don't we have the ship carrying it blink to that system the Scav fleet is staying at so when the enemy pursues they suddenly find themselves in, at worst a 3 way fight, at best a fight that weakens 2 enemy factions?
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>>1900892
Your mind reaches out to Theseus. It is strange, but, given the limitations of more conventional forms of communications, you receive a faster response from Heretic by going through Zero-One than by transmitting to the Drive ship of Heretic and waiting for a response. It certainly says much to the integration of the two. You receive a reply directly, and you almost mistake it as being from Theseus, but the tone is unmistakable.

"We are open to all needed questions at all times. Please state your question."

>Ask about the Nomad
>Ask about the White Queen's plans
>Other
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>>1900963
>Ask about the Nomad
>Ask about the White Queen's plans
>Other
Let's call him in to help guard whatever the item is.
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>>1900963
>Ask about the Nomad

Pretty sure Heretic won't have nice things to say about the White Queen. They had some beef.
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>>1900963
>Ask about the Nomad

>It certainly says much to the integration of the two.

Then they are literaly a couple now. They are also almost speaking like the other. All it needs is for then to finish each others setence
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>>1900963
>Ask about the Nomad
>Ask about the White Queen's plans
>Other
Inform him of all information we have gathered on the enemy and if he has anything he can give us any revelant information.
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>>1900941
It's probably not a physical item that causes it. It's the information itself.
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>>1900963
>>Ask about the Nomad
If we must.
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>>1900963
>>Ask about the Nomad
>>Ask about the White Queen's plans
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>>1900963
>Ask about the Nomad
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>>1900963
"The old Queens," you say, "of them, what did you know of the one known as the Nomad?"

"The Nomad: Appearance unknown, fleet assets, unknown, capital, unknown. The Nomad considered secrecy to be the greatest form of security, and relied on allies for many resources due to a general refusal to settle near stars, preferring instead to construct mobile hives in deep space. It is unknown if the Nomad survived, but it is unlikely."

"An information cache has apparently been held by the Nomad for some time." You say, there is some apparent interest at that, and you detect Zero-One come alive with information broadcasts. There is some interference in your connection, and you can sense a fog of whispers, as if the two were conversing in great length. "This cache was obtained by the White Queen, and held by the Nomad for safety. Do you know anything of this?"

"No." Heretic replies. "This was unknown to us. In our life, the White Queen mistrusted lesser species, especially those who were once servile. We were deprived of all cooperation from those who followed the White Queen, until near the end, when her fleets withdrew. The Nomad was of a similar mind, however her mistrust was without discrimination. Everything and everyone was a potential threat. The Nomad only trusted other hives, and only of a related dynastic line. Her alliance with the White Queen was firm, but they held their disagreements."

"Over what?" You ask. You can feel the faint drifting thoughts of digitized organic memories, the thoughts strangely morphed by translation.

"We know only what we have been told. The business of the Queens was not of our concern, but it was clearly regarding overall strategy." You feel memories of the Gardener slip by, countless conversations and joint research efforts. "The Nomad held no more tolerance for us than the White Queen, but her desire to turn the tide of war and enter the offensive was strong. She vouched for the Black Queen's plans. The debates were bitter, enough that we overheard some scraps of thought between them. An emissary team was forced to retreat from the vicinity of the effigy hall or suffer injury from the psionic effects."

You find that surprising. Elizabeth flicks through her own thoughts, trying to assemble a mental puzzle from the information.

"In that case, something must have happened to get them to cooperate again." She says.

"That is all we know." Heretic says. "More information may be available at Nomad hive locations." Theseus adds. "Very few such locations were known, even to other Queens. If you have such a location, it is more than we could hope to know." Heretic says. "We would appreciate further information, if you gain any. Her focus of study will likely lead to valuable information regarding the Enemy."

cont.
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>>1901068
>Her focus of study will likely lead to valuable information regarding the Enemy
And we still haven't mentioned anything the Ancients have said.
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>>1901068
>you will never argue so hard that lesser races' heads threaten to explode
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>>1901093
It hurts
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>>1901068
>The Nomad considered secrecy to be the greatest form of security, and relied on allies for many resources due to a general refusal to settle near stars, preferring instead to construct mobile hives in deep space.

Second best aunt get.
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>>1901068
I've finally read through the archives. This quest is amazing.
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>>1901108
Welcome aboard fellow thinker. Take seat and start doing things for mother.
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>>1901068
The thoughts of your new vassal hive are growing rapidly. The Phantoms have already secured a large sum of nutrients for an initial hive, and the Scarred Queen has begun producing her first children. Her first clutch already skitters across the chamber of her throne room, a rather vulnerable position in your estimation, but she assures you it is temporary now that she is renewed.

"You wish for information on the old queens." She says. "I was unimportant. My small holdings minuscule. I had no effigy to speak for me. Still, I listened, and learned much from my old mother. I know of the Nomad, but not much. She was secretive and mistrusting, with no children in her dynasty to support her. She was an isolationist, and that made her welcome in the White Queen's alliances."

"I have heard." You reply. "But what of her and the White Queen's plans? We must be careful to minimize the dangers of recovering what they left behind."

"That I can say little about." Your new daughter replies. "I know the Nomad was trusting of her equals, more so than the White Queen. The Nomad wished to follow the Black Queen, and fell for her deception like the rest of us. Perhaps she was less trusting than I believed, if she held some contingency in secret with the White Queen?"

"Perhaps it would be best to send in Theseus or Heretic to retrieve whatever is left within."

"No!" She says, quickly lowering her thoughts to a more respectful tone. "No, my Queen, with respect, it is our legacy. We should not have voiceless silicates tampering with our ancient secrets."

"They are our closest allies." You remind her. There is some hesitation, some reflexive apprehension even the Scarred Queen does not know the source of. "I am sorry. I do not trust them, but I your judgment is the final word on the matter. I simply believe that only a hive drone should step foot within a hive, even a dead one, but yours is a new dynasty for a new age. I will try to leave behind my old inhibitions if you feel they impede our goals."

>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster
>Disagree, we can sift through the hive through their eyes. It is best if we keep our minds away from it until everything within is cataloged
>Disagree, psionic sensitivity is not the only metric of true life, they are sentient, and are close allies to the Hive
>Other (write in)
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>>1901136
>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster
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>>1901136
>>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
She's right. We don't detect any risk to us and can bug out (heh) if we do. This is a hive matter, it must be dealt with as such.
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>>1901136
>Disagree, psionic sensitivity is not the only metric of true life, they are sentient, and are close allies to the Hive
>Other (write in) Deploy the Vaugh
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>>1901136
>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster

>>1901142
>Other (write in) Deploy the Vaugh
Now that's an idea worth considering.
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>>1901142
>>1901144
The last time things went tits up she wasn't any help at all, and we should be expecting a fight here. Better to leave her safe and secure.
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>>1901136
>Disagree, we can sift through the hive through their eyes. It is best if we keep our minds away from it until everything within is cataloged
>Other
"The lie that vision alone dictates life is a scar of our war with the enemy. We must be mindfull of what this war has taught us and how it has made us ignorant both. Now survival is the law that reigns."
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>>1901136
>>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
>>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster


>>1901146
While I disagree with sending her, she was VERY helpful during the Nowhere Incident.
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>>1901146
Yeah, you're right. It wouldn't matter at this point I think.
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>>1901146
>>1901152
I say send her. Nomad has proven to be misstrusted from other species AND other queens. Second best aunt must have putted some kind of security. So in case the place has something to block a queen psionic network it would be worthy to have Vaugh there in case we get jammed.
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>>1901148
I would like to just point out that if sending in Theseus and relying on him to do the leg work would mean granting him unfettered access to whatever technological developments Nomad had stowed away. Tech that at the bare minimum includes gravity foils and thus nanotechnology.
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>>1901162
We don't need her there though. Only a drone with a memory crystal implanted into it.
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>>1901163
thats okay :)
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>>1901163
>nanotechnology
>which Heretic already had and thus Theseus too
While it no longer matters to what route we take at this point that is a poor example.
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>>1901136
>>Disagree, psionic sensitivity is not the only metric of true life, they are sentient, and are close allies to the Hive
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>>1901136
>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster
You know what I'm going to vote even though I care little at this point. Though I must point it's likely psionic knowledge.
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>>1901136
>>Agree, they would not know what to look for, and may miss warning signs that would otherwise prevent a disaster
The strongest reasons for sending them in are also the strongest against: incompatibility with psionics. Less risk of them being damaged, but a higher risk of them missing signs we wouldn't.
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>>1901172
You know, you raise an interesting point here. Logically we should expect that Heretic possesses intimate knowledge of nanotechnology and how to apply it, but we have yet to see any signs that Unity has employed them in any capacity. And I would expect the Unity with it's hard on for gravity manipulation and titanic space structures would use it prolifically.

I know it's unlikely but I suspect that Heretic never possessed intimate technical knowledge of the production and application of advanced nanomachinery. If that's the case the Unity would happily pay a mint for access to it.
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>>1901136
>>Agree, out of respect, a dead Queen's hive should only be touched by another Queen, or her trusted creations
>>Disagree, psionic sensitivity is not the only metric of true life, they are sentient, and are close allies to the Hive

Shit i'm late as usual.
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>>1901136
"Actually, I agree. While they are close allies of the hive, it may be prudent for the hive to deal with our own kind in these matters. They may miss some crucial component due to their blindness that may escalate the danger." You have a sudden realization of progress as your warriors have penetrated the outer hull and begin drifting into the structure. You quickly turn your attention to them.

The interior is dark, your drones relying on their other senses to navigate through the fossilized hall. The architecture is clearly hive in nature, its design not intended for any form of gravity or expense made for comfort. Even still, as your flies scout the halls, there is an order to it. You feel as if the halls radiate out from deeper within, as if its design is guiding you, regardless of your entrance, to a specific point. Your thinkers determine the mathematical formula for it, each hall set at just the right orientation so as to create the effect of constant inward progress, the halls spiraling outward from a central point despite being superficially random in nature.

>Ask Heretic about the Cluster
>Ask the Scarred Queen about the Cluster
>Continue onward in your survey
>Other
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>>1901190
>>Continue onward in your survey
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>>1901190
>add all to queue

we haven't talked with these guys very much comparatively. might as well get this all done in one go
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>>1901190
>Ask Heretic about the Cluster
>Ask the Scarred Queen about the Cluster
Time for important information.
And it feels like QD is trying to delay the discovery like something bad is going to happen.
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>>1901190
>Ask Heretic about the Cluster
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>>1901190
>Ask the Scarred Queen about the Cluster
I don't think Heretic would know anything.

>Continue onward in your survey
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My god I should not have come late, this all screams bad idea to me. White queen locked the memories away for a time that we would be ready to pursue with stable roots. She wanted us to be playing "macro" style in rts terms. Here we are with hotheaded anons rushing things.

Do you think we are ready to fight eldritch gods? Hubris I say! Overconfident and ignorant. We don't even have the expanse secured, let alone our reletively shabby economy compare to OQ. Our tech tree isn't even near ready for a certain war of attrition, are you all impatient because you think we played like secretive pussies for too long? There is a very good reason why we did that, and the reason is still there. We aren't ready for war, not against OQ, Ceph, gods, and support our efforts with the humans at the same time. We are young, with little time to grow while some of our enemies have had thousands of years of economic development.

Mark my words, when the coming shitstorm arrives we will not be ready. QD has dropped hints and warnings, even showed us the scale of conflict in flashbacks. When shit hits the fan and salt flows from our collective ass, the only ones at blame are these overconfident anons. We will point fingers at each other and none of them will come out to admit it.

One must wonder where all of our intelligence from the beginning of the quest went.
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>>1901201
It's honestly more of a lead into question if you're familiar with what those are.
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>>1901136
>Disagree, we can sift through the hive through their eyes. It is best if we keep our minds away from it until everything within is cataloged
>Other (write in) Send in the Vaugh.
Send the Vaugh to the 'dead' hive. Make sure she knows as much as we do about the situation.

Ping Theseus, tell him we found a telekinetic dropsuit that runs on canderon and begin joint research when possible.
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>>1901202
Melodramatic much?
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>>1901190
>>Continue onward in your survey
In the interests of getting to the bottom of this before the sun rises.
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>>1901202

Risk assessment. We're concerned that we're running out of time to properly get shit done before OQ and the void step up their game, and so we're taking calculated risks (that ARE acknowledged as risks) in an attempt to make sure we've got at least close to enough stuff to fight them off as opposed to being caught entirely with our pants down.

The Nowhere Incident SEVERELY rattled a lot of players' confidence in their timetable.
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>>1901208
I've always wanted to be a drama writer, can't help it.
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>>1901190
>>Continue onward in your survey
We already spoke to scarred queen about them briefly. Sounded like they also knew nothing about em. I mean we showed them the dead Cluster and was just as baffled. Only recognized one of its skins.
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>>1901206
Oh god damnit, I took too long to post. My point still stands though, Theseus drones with gravity based weaponry would be terrifying, and something I would love to see. (Apologies for the double post btw)
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>>1901214
Well i think you have a knack for it anon.
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>>1901208
Has it ever occurred to that you might be wrong? That this may be the mistake that kills us?
That your thoughts that we had to get were mistaken?
For what reason do you think that we couldn't delay this if only to get proper infrastruture and number of ships to fight with?
And for what reason would QD make this take so long if it was going cause something incredibly bad?
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>>1901202
>One must wonder where all of our intelligence from the beginning of the quest went.
You know it's funny, I often find myself thinking this even as I come to sharply different conclusions than other anons saying the same thing. You know what I think is really at the heart of the problem? I think this quest has gone for so long with so much material posted, everyone is just beginning to lose track of it all. It seems that every other major shitstorm we have boils down to 'nuh uh our technology can do X'. We've had so much tech revealed to us, over such a long period of time, in such ambiguous circumstances, that I'm starting to wonder if anyone playing this quest actually knows precisely what our capabilities are.

It doesn't help that the pastebins aren't updated anymore and little relevant information is posted on the wiki.
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>>1901226
that's one thing DAtS has over HQQ. Grave is somewhat consistent about keeping his pastebins updated if hard to decipher
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>>1901225
>Has it ever occurred to that you might be wrong?
Ditto to you buddy.
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>>1901212
>It took the both of them thousands of years to take down the WQ with nearly limitless resources and are now currently weakened horrible and are cautious of us because they can't fully understand
>LET'S FORCE THEM TO UP THEIR GAME.
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Should have secured the expanse first and built up our military/resources, and then gone this route. It would have only taken a few in game days.
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>>1901234
Yes I have and strictly speaking leaving it has vastly fewer and lesser risks.
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>>1901235
I don't necessarily agree with the course of action, I'm just noting what I think is the reason everyone's so antsy.

I don't exactly agree with your assessment either, mind.
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>>1901236
>It would have only taken a few in game days.
So...about six months or so real time?
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>>1901239
Heh.
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>>1901239
Yes. I see no problem with that.
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>>1901202
On the contrary, I think we're ready for more challenges. We're absolutely murdering on the scavenger front, and we've kicked obsidian queen arse every time we see her.

To get better we need a challenge to rise to, lest we get weak in hubris. We should get to purging both the cheph and the OQ now to gain advantage for the conflicts with their masters.
There's also prizes to be found and much to gain in doing so, as we need to expand and it's better to do it to our enemies.
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>>1901244
I do...
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>>1901238
What we are doing clearly makes us the biggest target. The playerbase feels like they want to feel the void's foot against their head.
>>1901239
And your point? It would be worth it and you know it.
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>>1901246
That's with the baby gloves on and everyone distracted anon. Against either focusing solely on us we'd lose.
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>>1901190
Your drones continue on, now more certain of their objective's location, but your curiosity burns in your mind. You find the link with Heretic still open, eagerly awaiting for the results of your search, and you send a quick summary of information.

"Entities have been found beneath the ice of Djin claiming to be Ancients akin to the Hive. They say they were one of three, as was the Hive, before the war."

"The war is all we have known." Heretic replies. "Our kind were guided to sentience. We have no history beyond what was forced upon us. We know no entity before the dead gods. The Enemy. We know only that they existed before us, and logically, the Hive would have as well, or there would have been no need for us."

"So you know nothing of the Cluster?" You ask again. Heretic seems to pause, taking time for a genuine effort to scrounge through all available memory.

"No, however there is data that may be related." You find the shifting syntax somewhat off-putting, Heretic's mind adjusting from moment to moment, as if altering itself on the fly. "When the Skyl were slaves, we were used as fodder in their war against the Hive. We held many silhouettes as known targets, all labeled as demons." You are given a mental image. A half sphere, like a massive shell, trailing tendrils of flesh like a massive jellyfish. The tendrils sing with psionics, propelling the shell on a wave of telekinetic force as spacetime ripples visibly behind it like a slipstream. It was known as a ship of the dead. It would collect souls lost in the deepest reaches of space in order to bring them to the gods. With your knowledge, and Heretic's own disbelief, it is obvious they were simply scavenging the wrecks of both sides, looting debris after battles, feeding on whatever materials could be found while being left alone by both sides. To harm one, or even approach into weapons range of one, was the greatest of heresies.

"That is their vessel." You say.

"It seems sound that a neutral entity would be avoided in battle." Theseus says. "Although it is odd that they would be permitted to salvage both sides."

"It is unknown why they would do so." Heretic adds. "Only that there is no record of a skyl harming one, or of it harming a skyl. It was a part of our dogma that they were invincible, and would tear apart the soul of any who would attempt to harm them. This is all that is known of them." You quickly send the information to the Scarred Queen, she seems even more surprised. Her own memories are entirely lacking, save the recognition of select adaptations held within the specimens you found.

cont.
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>>1901250
Baby gloves? We sunk a hive ship and much of her fleet, if anything we're wearing baby gloves. She could have easily brought more to bear given blink drives, but she didn't - which suggests she didn't have much else. We had her over a barrel and should have pushed and pushed hard.
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>>1901258
>Although it is odd that they would be permitted to salvage both sides.

I guess that is how the cluster keeped itself updated about the war and got nutrients to keep himself in a sleeping state.
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>>1901258
> It was a part of our dogma that they were invincible, and would tear apart the soul of any who would attempt to harm them. .
Smart.
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>>1901261
Yes and have we faced a full force attack from her? No she only sent a few ships and the sinking of her ship was too our detriment since if we pull it off we could have over taken her with her communications disrupted. But her focusing an attack on the only two planets we have colonized would end our destruction.
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>>1901261
Also we've seen her numbers. They are vast.
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>>1901246
The same arguement flipped on its head can be used against this. You gained too much hubris from winning miniscule toddler fights. Very classic pride before the fall scenario, down to the specifics.

But fine, if you are willing to come out and admit it when we are dealing with the aftermath of this and be a target for our salt venting then I will hear you out now. If it turns out well you can even have full bragging rights of the IMMEDIATE aftermath.

I will trust you to take responsibility regardless of outcome.
If you aren't willing to do this then don't even speak up.

Shall we start the wager?
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>>1901261
You aren't wrong.
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>>1901277
He is. Her numbers are at least 20x ours the reason she hasn't gone all out against us is she has many factors to consider.
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>>1901273
Insufficient Data to assume threat scale. Prior data has us at massive tech advantage. To assume OQs threat is as high as you suggest I believe additional scouting is required to take stock of force numbers.

Would you agree to reallocating resources to establish size of threat, and/or prepare actions for mitigation?

Additional thinkers requested for this consideration.
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>>1901258
Your drones alert you, their minds searching for new orders as they encircle the central point of the hive structure. It is a large, roughly hexagonal chamber with sealed doorways running around the rim, all hallways leading directly or indirectly to one of the surrounding entrances, and the chamber itself running most of the length of the hive itself along the other axis. Surrounding each doorway, scrawled in skyl script using the hive language, is a simple verse, one you realize is a smaller part of an ancient Skyl scripture.

Those who bring light may see, but are seen. Only the Blind may see in the Darkness and remain unseen.

Your drones examine the doorways, and the walls that surround them. The material is familiar, the same substance found in the labs of the Builder, a psionically absorbent material. The other side is clearly some manner of silence chamber. You wonder what other methods of obfuscation are held within as secondary protection.

>Send in your drones. Between the thinkers and your crystal brain technology there should be no problem maintaining contact
>Send Elizabeth, she can maintain control of the drones on the inside and is skilled in psionics herself
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
>Other
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>>1901283
Oh shit. It's literally the abyss and people want to look into it.
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>>1901283
>>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
This is the only option that is Blind.

Elizabeth hasn't been blind in a long time.
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>>1901283
>Send Elizabeth, she can maintain control of the drones on the inside and is skilled in psionics herself
Elizabeth has been designed to be resistant and aqitted well at nowhere. If she is willing, send her.
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>>1901290
>Send her to hell
Are you MAD?
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>>1901283
>>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
Lets send in one with no skill in psionics, even removing a parasite if we must
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>>1901283
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
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>>1901283
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
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>>1901292
This is exposing her to potential void corruption from what it sounds.
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>>1901283
>>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
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>>1901294
She's a big girl she can take it.

But speaking seriously, you are right
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>>1901283
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics
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>>1901298
Tis a risk, hence leaving the choice to her. Alternatively we could request AI assistance since we have found a reason to bring them in.
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>>1901304
Or disposable clones.
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Doesn't the posted warning want us to be as UNpsionic as possible while entering?

A human clone is the clear choice then. They are literally Blind as far as the Hive perspective goes.
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>>1901283
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics

Semi-serious side option: revive Seiner and send him.
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Do we have any Seiner clones to send in? Or at least a clone with his skillsets downloaded?
>>1901308
My nigga
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>>1901306
It's really either human clone or robotic agent. Since we don't have direct control of the robotic agent, it's down to human clone.

Whoever this clone is ought to be the scientific type. They can help with research when they get back. Or join the Orphan crew, doesn't really matter to me.
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>designed to be resistant
And then got implanted with full psionic relay, completely overwriting any anti-psionic brain design any ancestors might have passed down.
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>>1901308
DUDE. YES.
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>>1901283
>Send in a human clone agent, they are disposable and loyal, if not the most skilled in psionics

You quickly dispatch a pod with a team of disposable clone agents. You sense some disappointment from Elizabeth.

"I know, it's functionally the same watching from here, but still." She says, her mind fixed on your drones as they pry open one of the doors ahead of the agent's arrival. The pod takes some time to move in from its arrival point, the nebula disrupting its navigation slightly. As your clones enter the hive your workers drag the Scavenger Brood mother is brought into the hive, the thinkers alerting Elizabeth as she quickly hushes their voices. The workers halt for a moment, waiting for detailed orders, and when none arrive they dump the body into the medical pod as your thinkers begin their study.

You lack a biological clone of Seiner, however with his memories a part of your own, it would be a simple matter to install his mind into a disposable clone body already on standby as part of the three man team being sent. (I rolled a d4, let me know if you want to change the number)

>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones
>Do not
>Other
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As a side note, I'm glad we've got the context to

a) understand the Hive language using Skyl script
b) know what Blind means
c) be able to grow and send a human agent

>>1901310
>>1901319
It was kind of a joke because Elizabeth and Heretic both hate the man and everything he stands for, and reviving a clone in order to extract some kind of "punishment" on the formerly living doesn't really make sense. He's dead, we hunted him, Theseus told us to kill him, and we killed him.

That said, if Elizabeth is OK with it, I think it would be great.
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>>1901308
No. But i will agree in sending clone with Seiners skill set.
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I mean, once we have a human agent sent in to learn things.

Maybe send in a quantum relay with him so he can send messages back and forth. No parasite for obvious reasons.

We could then set up a private hive colony, under a layer of psionic insulation, somewhere elsewhere like a part of Farcast. In case we wanted to put Thinkers to studying what the human learned, under orders that while they can research and request nutrients and metals through the quantum relay, they won't tell us any results until we send the authorization code to take down the insulation now.

Which we hopefully won't do until shit already is on the fans.
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>>1901308
>>1901310
>>1901319
Now that I think of it this might be fun.
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>>1901321
>YES
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
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>>1901283
Okay listen, we have to send in a human without a parasite. If we use a psionic connection, there is a chance we can be seen again. However, if we send a human with no parasite that is loyal to us, and has no weird brain crystal shit going on, then they can remain unseen. Send Jackob. He seems reliable, just need to get rid of the parasite temporarily.
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>>1901321
>>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones
Can we give him a qcom when he goes in there?
>>1901322
I just didn't want to send an version of Elizabeth lest she turn into a horror or something. I wouldn't want to read that...
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>>1901321
>>Do not
Amusing, but eh.

We install all our theoretical knowledge of psionics and the hints we've gotten about the nature of the enemy and knowledge itself being dangerous into these fanatically loyal clones, right?
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>>1901321
Couldn't we create a clone of him then
>Install Seiner's mind into the clone
We could use the time to build up.
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>>1901329
But Jackob isn't replacable.
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>>1901327
Sierner isn't loyal to us. And he might get mad about being you know...killed.
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>>1901321
What does Elizabeth think of the idea? I would consider asking Theseus, but I don't want to risk a diplomatic incident.

I've always read it as "I hate this person and want him dead for personal reasons" but now that I think about it a bit more, it could have been "I think this man is a detriment to society and harmful if in his current position."
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>>1901321
>Do not
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>>1901322
>Heretic
Anon. He's never met a human outside of Nowhere pirates.
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>>1901337
You know, we could still install a subconscious desire to never betray us
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>>1901341
Sorry, I meant Theseus.
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>>1901335
>>1901330
>>1901327
This is such a bad idea. But whatever. That is just my opinion.
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>>1901321
Fuck it
>install Seiner mind
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>>1901321
>>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones
His entire skill set, hell his entire genetic lineage lends itself to this task. He's perfect.
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>>1901342
I dunno is late in my end i will just go to sleep. I might just cause more harm.
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THIS SPEAKER HAS ARRIVED LATE!

It appears to this speaker that we have come to an impasse on the topic of combat readiness against mother's enemies.

This speaker suggests we do as human thinker sun tzu once said. "KNOW THYSELF, KNOW THY ENEMY". This speaker knows itself, but this speaker does not know enemy. This speaker is clearly defective.

This speaker suggests that hive scout and gather information on enemy before coming to defective decisions. This speaker thinks that threat assessment will become very easy if this speaker "KNOW THY ENEMY" before this.

THIS SPEAKER IS GOOD AT SPEAKING TOO. THIS SPEAKER IS NOT THINKER.
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>>1901344
Now you know how I felt the ENTIRE time.
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>>1901349
We are currently standing in front of the gate to Hell.
I don't think you could make it worse.
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>>1901344
>>1901351
WELCOME TO LATE NIGHT HQQ LADS

ENJOY YOUR STAY
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>>1901353
In all seriousness, wtf brought about tonight's autism?

What the hell made anons here think opening the locked memories before time a good idea?
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>>1901354
Who says it's before time?

This is not meant to trigger the Final Fight.
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>>1901358
It sure as hell is worded like it, atleast the beginning of the end
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>>1901354
>before time
There's a big claim from you that we're not ready yet to open this can, but I don't really see how that's true. This memory has been available for a long time. This isn't an industrial complex that needs defense immediately. We're not accessing it with our own mind. We've got enough context to understand what all this stuff means. We've got fleets, we've got planets, we've got allies.
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>>1901321
>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones
His knowledge and skills might be useful.
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>>1901354
When is the right time then? How do we know that opening those memories would lead to the end game when QD explicitly said that finishing the cannon does that?
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>>1901354
People are eager to progress a bit after being stuck on Gemini for so long, and again, it's a simple matter of risk assessment. It happens with most decisions, and most people won't come to the exact same conclusions as others. It's nothing malicious, or anything I'd even say grossly incompetent (if only because even if I disagree with the idea, I do understand the logic behind it)- it's simply a matter of disagreement as to how severe the risk is compared to our ability to mitigate the possibilities.

No one's purposefully trying to piss you off- but at the same time, you're still a face in the crowd, same we all are. I'm not telling you to just suck it up, but...well, that's how things go sometimes.
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>>1901354
Seems fine. What I'm questioning is not sending in Theseus and Heretic after seeing the writing and anti-psionic material. It pretty much says that the advantage for sending our own in (identifying psionic danger) will be negated, and we might as well see it through their eyes and direct them.
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>>1901354
I really don't know.
>>1901358
>The door basically says "abandon hope all ye who enter"
>This is not meant to trigger the Final Fight.
It's close enough.
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>>1901321
Aw jeez i'm late.
>Do not
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>>1901366
>What I'm questioning is not sending in Theseus and Heretic
Well, you see, the interface might be completely biological, in which case Heretic and Theseus would not be of much use.

It might be similar to the thing that Elizabeth touched, honestly. We have no idea if it would work on a robot or not.

(Which makes Siener doing it extra-ironic.)
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>>1901367
>*The door basically says "abandon hope all ye psychics who enter"
Fixed
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>>1901321
>Do not.
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>>1901362
We have only two planets colonized and most of the fleets are held up by the Scav war and Union.
We are in no shape for this.
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>>1901354
>>1901373
This. It would have only taken a few in game days to secure the expanse, and deal with our current agendas, and then we attempt this current course of action.
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>>1901375
and don't get me wrong, this quest has stalled and gotten bogged down a bit, but that doesn't mean we should make premature decisions. Continuing with our normal decision making would have been best.
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>>1901375
And how many real-life months? People are impatient with how long it takes to get back to plot threads. Too much is going on in parallel, too slowly.
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>>1901381
So we should add more shit to the pile? Because that's what this is.
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>>1901321
>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones
Finally
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>>1901382
>sitting there for a while while things go on around us
>anons get a chance for a massive plot dump that they get to work for
>REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>1901381
That's a terrible reason to make bad decisions.
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Honestly, I feel like this won't be as bad as some folks are worrying. Not saying there's no chance, but if something bad happens, it won't be catastrophic.
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>>1901358
Learning the secrets within is all but explicitly going to let the Void look back far more intensely than it has ever been able to before.

The last time we looked, the last and only time we Saw them, they inflicted terrible psionic pain just looking right back at us through the void shard.

Them seeing us clearly and not through a glass darkly is bad juju.
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>>1901386
>implying I'm not sick of it too
None of that excuses what people have voted in this thread. We should have put off the this off until we were ready but here we are in front of this damned door.
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>>1901394
This is the last chance for me to be in a quest for months excu~~~se me for wanting action
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>>1901396
Excuse me for not wanting this quest to end because of your selfish desires.
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>>1901397
I feel like you are vastly overestimating the threat that going to this vault incurs. You would think that the WQ would say "Don't go here till you are ready" if it had a chance of ruining the rest the quest
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>>1901397
>end

I'm not one to rely on metagaming plot armor, but really. It's not ending here.
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>Install Seiner's mind into one of the clones

The pod locks in place in the underbelly of your corvette, and it opens. Two clones exit quickly, their minds and skills a default mixture of useful skills and loyal memories. They both turn to the third, his back plugged into an interface within the pod that quickly detaches from the ports along his spine where the environment suit seems to meld with the body, the bio-engineered skinsuit fully integrated into the nervous system for utility, comfort, and protection. The other two grab the clone by the arms, hoisting him up on his feet as the magnetic boots secure him to the floor. He looks about with a confused terror as your overwhelming consciousness looms over his mind.

"W-who are you, what happened?" He asks. "The facility, they..." He trails off, his eyes running along the biological suits of the other clones, then the walls of the ship's small hangar, and finally his own self, holding up his hands to examine his own matching spacesuit, feeling the integrated leathery flesh covering his hands as if it were his own deformed skin.

"I was... the nuclear strike..." He looks up at the other two clones with a pale, unfamiliar face and a look of ghostly terror in his eyes. "Am I dead?"

"Not anymore." Your clone replies. "We found a bit of a coal mine, and you're the canary. This way." They hoist him up and together begin to float through the ship's umbilical. Seiner darts his head around him, wide-eyed and unblinking as he looks at the abyssal darkness of interstellar space, and the vast, spider web construct looming ahead.

"What... What the fuck? What the fuck!" He shouts as the three enter into the hive and several wasps arrive, quickly gripping them like a set of backpacks as they propel them through the tunnels with their wings. Seiner screams, thrashing his limbs in a wild panic until they arrive at the door and one of your clones slaps him on the helmet and shakes his shoulder.

"Stop flipping your shit and get your head in the game!" Your agent shouts. "We just woke up too. You already got your orders in your head so start following them."

"No, no no no!" Seiner says, his voice cracking slightly. "I was, was at the lab, but there was a breach and... You... those things. The aliens!" He flinches free of the clone's hand, wobbling as the magnetics fight to keep him planet on the floor, the metal composition only just enough for them to function. "What happened? How long was it since the lab?"

"Don't know what you're talking about, we just have the mission's details, and that's all we need. So do you. Think about where you are and it will just seem obvious. Go with the first guess." Seiner squints at the clones, his mind racing with questions.

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>>1901399
And you underestimate it. This pretty much sounds like one of the things that could end the quest early. Just read the fucking post, it screams END TIMES.
>You would think that the WQ would say "Don't go here till you are ready" if it had a chance of ruining the rest the quest
Why the fuck wouldn't I?
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>>1901407
I do think it is dangerous. Thats why I wanted to be cautious and send someone we wouldn't miss and would be predisposed to this kind of work as well as being non-psionic
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>>1901408
All that's left is to hope for the best and pray everything doesn't spontaneously combust like our thinkers.
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>>1901403
Why did anons want this exactly?
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>>1901412
Spite?
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>>1901403
>He looks about with a confused terror as your overwhelming consciousness looms over his mind.

We don't have a parasite in him...do we? How else would the Queen loom in his brainmeats?

Hard to isolate knowledge if we stay hooked up to his mind once he's inside. We'll have to disconnect.
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>>1901412
Because it's interesting and he's the only scientific mind we have besides Elizabeth.
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>>1901412
Spite.
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>>1901403
>"Not anymore."

This is four thousand hundred keks but I kind of feel bad for him, as bad as one can feel about a new clone with someone else's memories. Hopefully Elizabeth shares our sense of humor.

It's like that Schwarzenegger movie where the lab kept re-cloning the clones that Schwarzenegger's character kept killing.

>>1901412
His entire career was built on trying to get a research team to Earth in order to prove some of his theories. His father worked on the psionic cannon, and was instructed by the White Queen. Given his last words before we killed him, his theories have to do with psionics. So he's about to find out a whole lot about psionics.
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>>1901413
>>1901418
For what?
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>>1901422
For one he is a dick. But I wanted him because he is a scientist and descended from the team that developed the cannon n the first place
>>1901420
I think it was his grandpappy, not pappy
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I just have to appreciate the layers of meaning that "Those who bring light" has. Those who are psionic, those who transmit tachyons, aka light accelerated past the natural speed of light.

And coincidentally Lightbringer is conveniently synonymous with Lucifer, who makes war against God in heaven.
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>>1901414
Anons wanted someone who didn't had psionic. If we sended a clone with a parasity it would have being better to send Liz.

But i must say i love how our clones except Siener's don't give a fuck about what is going on.
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>>1901423
>I think it was his grandpappy, not pappy
Yeah, you're right.

>>1901424
>light accelerated past the natural speed of light
Nice catch.
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>>1899816
>>1901396
Are you deploying to crush the Commonwealth incursion or something?
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>>1901424
Shits about to get biblical.
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>>1901427
Something like that...
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>>1901424
Eh nice one anon.
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>>1901424
But let's not forget about Prometheus to.
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"I was right." He whispers, his hand tracing along his throat as if inspecting for a wound. "We're... in the Nomad's Hive... but who is-"

"You know that too." Your clone says. Seiner's gaze trails off, tracing the bones set in the wall of the hive.

"A... dead Hive Queen." He looks back up to the clones, shooting frightened glances between them and the drones. "But how do I know that?"

"Same reason we do." Your clone says. "You were given the skills to perform a very specific job. The Queen wants someone expendable and unconnected to the Hive. That's us. Wasn't expecting your skillset to come with baggage."

"Also we don't know if the Nomad is dead, it's just very likely." The other clone says, and then looks to Seiner. "Now, you've got your orders. What's the one thing you really want to do right now?"

"What I want?" Seiner asks, confused.

"Yea, just relax, and think to yourself what is it you really want to do right now." Seiner looks down again, examining his skinsuit of skin and chitin.

"I want..." He trails off, his gaze drifting to the sealed doorway. "I want to know what's in there." He says. "I want to know what's inside the silence chamber." He grips his head with his hands in a sudden confusion. "Wait, why? Why do I want that? That's dumb, we need to leave, we need to get back to Union space, but..."

"Because that's what the Queen wants, so it's what you want." Your clone says.

"Now that you're unplugged from the pod, you've got no link to the hive other than what it gave you. Your job is to figure out what's through that door, our job is to make sure you stick to your script." The warriors dig their claws into the doorway, finally digging through enough to pry them open. The flex, slowly, with creaking, decayed joints, until they swing out. On the other side is another door, this one pure metal, its form sleek and reflective almost like a mirror. The short hallway to it is equally metallic. You feel Seiner's fear begin to dissipate, overwhelmed with a sudden rush of curiosity.

"This isn't right. This material... is it..." He hops forward, drifting through the hall as he scrapes his hand against the wall to the door. "It is. Look, you can see the lattice work. This is a carbon nano-structure. The whole wall is essentially one giant diamond. It's the same material the Ark was made of." He looks to the other clones with confusion. "I... I know that. I don't know how but I do. This was meant to out live the Nomad while still being functional." He gives the other clones a long look, as if waiting for some response that will make sense of everything, or perhaps, for this to be a dream, or the hallucinations of a dying man as he bleeds out in the air vent of his laboratory. The walls remain firm, the drones chitter with no sign of vanishing, and the clones return a look of impatience as Seiner glances away, as if he had forgotten what he wanted to say.

cont.
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>>1901434
>. "Wait, why? Why do I want that? That's dumb, we need to leave, we need to get back to Union space, but..."

>"Because that's what the Queen wants, so it's what you want." Your clone says.

Okay i will admit...i didn't expected this to be this fun.
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>>1901434
Hey wait.

Some humans are downright psionically resistant above and beyond the common population.

Did we design that feature into the custom clones, so that even their thoughts seem muffled?

Since resistance a mix of both genetics and environment. https://ask.fm/QuestDrone/answers/136850819877
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>>1901437
Fucking with minds is always fun.

Lol captcha.
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>>1901440
We did want truly blind humans. And since we are very very good at genetics i think we might avoid the fails that were caused by nature and destroyed/weakend mom's genetic tempering
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>>1901444
* that destroyed/weakend mom's genetic tempering

Ah fuck it i will just grab some coffe i can't sleep anyway.
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>>1901441
And people still didn't want to parasite Dillon without consent!
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hot damn, actually managed to catch whats probably the tail end of a thread, after two months of catching up.
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Guys...I think we made the first right choice in the entire thread by revealing Seiner and senting him in.

As for bad choices, the thinker was oblivious meant to reveal memories to us after OQ death. The thinker didn't want anything so much but to see OQ gone.

Secondly white queen told that we should be untamed, ignorant and forget the old hives ways...we went directly against this, by listening scarred queen.

And lastly robots or true humans would had been so much better choise to go in, as you know "blind", but atlest hive agents that /hopefully/ do not have any connection to hive psionically work aswell.
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Good night everyone! See you either tomorrow morning or November!
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>>1901455
Good night and/or good luck, fellow thinker.
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>>1901454
>As for bad choices, the thinker was oblivious meant to reveal memories to us after OQ death. The thinker didn't want anything so much but to see OQ gone.
Not like I haven't been saying this the entire fucking thread.
So what? Are you going to agree with me that we should check the Crystals on P2?
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>>1901455
Night anon, hope to see you tomorrow!

>>1901454
>we went directly against this, by listening scarred queen.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, I don't really think that listening to scarred queen means we aren't wild or untamed.
> lastly robots or true humans would had been so much better choice to go in, as you know "blind"
You're probably right, but it's too late now, and even if we had, we wouldn't be have as much information if anything goes wrong (granted, going wrong in this case would mean more knowledge of the void.)
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>>1901434
YEEEES caught it live!

Also Seiner, get yo ass in that there chamber, we got bigger fish to fry.

Anyone else wish for more ship backup in case of unwelcome intrusions? Whether it's from our own shipyards, or one or two Theseus or Heretic ships? Because that line, 'be prepared to defend it' is quite ominous.

I'm expecting Ceph or Scav raiders, but BQ is not out of the question too.
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>>1901434
Seiner moves to the second door. It is a large, imposing archway, hexagonal in shape, its metallic form perfect in design, a strange sight for any hive construct. Sure enough, upon close inspection the seams become visible, thought not to a naked human eye, but clear to Seiner's new eyes, even in the dark with only the luminescence of their suits to go by. It was no question, the material was the same. On its own, the carbon nanolattice was impressive, but brittle. Such a structure would stand the test of time, and survive wear and tear well after any organic structure had dissolved, but it would fracture under any kind of weapons fire. The Ark had suffered extensive damage from its crash, although its design made sure that the interior was perfectly intact, sacrificing some of the outer hull to the impact damage. This seems to be of a similar design, using no organic material. For a Queen, this would be difficult to produce.

Seiner runs his hands along the surface, examining a number of strange symbols set within the surface of the doorway. It is mostly skyl script, using vague illusions largely lifted from Skyl religious texts, if only from an apparent lack of descriptive skill on the part of the old Queens. Translating thought into written words is difficult in the best of times, and you know your mother was not the most creative of Queens. Seiner mutters the words, astounded at his own ability to read a dead alien language he has never seen before, let alone heard spoken, yet there he was, muttering the words as if to prove it to himself, at least the parts of the words the human speech organs could accommodate.

"It says 'child of white enter, and be free.'" Seiner says.

"What's that mean?"

"The white queen." Seiner says. "It's from some text about a prophet from Skyl legend, but the color mentioned is the same."

"So, it's for our Queen?"

"Ye-no. no not quite. This has a double meaning. 'child' in this case could mean both literal, as in progeny, or as a hierarchical term, meaning servant, a lower individual who owes their life. It's often used to refer to the Skyl when speaking of their place as a servile species." His eyes are wide with amazement, the knowledge coming to him as if by divine inspiration. "This means 'servant created by the White Queen', not literal child. It means human." His face twists with a sudden pain as his hand finds the contact in the center, and the metal retracts into the doorway, leaving an imprint of his hand. "Oh my god." He whispers.

The door begins to slide back, its form floating smoothly with no apparent track or mechanism until is is floating just past the door frame, leaving a gap several meters deep. Seiner stumbles forward, and with a sudden motion, falls to his knees, the magnets on his boots unneeded in a sudden display of mild gravity attuned exactly to that of Earth.

cont.
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>>1901455
Good luck, wherever you may be going.
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>>1901464
Still waiting for that vote you promised last thread.
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>>1901462
I REALLY WANT TO SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING, but I also need to get some sleep for tomorrow... fugg
>>1901464
Thanks QD. How's your heart going?
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>>1901387
It's almost like people are more interested in having fun than in winning.
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>>1901468
Winning is fun. Only losers say otherwise.
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>>1901468
Plus, in this case if might have been both fun and a win.
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>>1901462
>illusions
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>>1901462
I...I'm having real difficulty expressing how much I'm enjoying this.
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>>1901469
So you only have fun if you win the match?
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>>1901462
>SEND YOUR FAVORITE LITTLE SIBLING

WE SHOULD HAVE SENT LEE OR ELIZABETH, FUCK ME WHAT WERE WE THINKING?!
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>>1901475
>sending psionic people where we were told not to send psionic stuff
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>>1901475
Lee was fucked by the Union into becoming psionic.

Elizabeth touched the thing in the Ark that made her psionic.

Neither are viable candidates.
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>>1901475
Neither is really human anymore.
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>>1901475
>WHAT WERE WE THINKING?!

That we didn't want one of the phew humans we like to die?
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Make note people: do NOT reconnect Seiner to hivemind.
Let him do the report verbally.
Maintain isolation.
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>>1901474
Is throwing the game fun? No. Only if you to win can truly understand what fun is and here your "fun" could end the fun for other people.
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>>1901479
*two of the phew humans

God i will go get more coffee
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>>1901479
>>1901478
>>1901477
>>1901476
Fair enough. I guess we didnt miss out on a chance to put a cute little bow and a superweapon on lee's collar then.

Crisis averted
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>>1901482
>phew
It's few.
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>>1901480
Yes, for sure. CloneSeiner and KerriganElizabeth are going to need to sit down for a chat. Or at least CloneSeiner and a speaker, although Elizabeth is going to barge in anyway.
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>>1901481
Dear anon. I know you are frustrated. But what is done is done. Let's just roll with it.
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>>1901484
As i said. More coffee.
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>>1901481
Are you genuinely butthurt about this? I didn't even vote to open this can of worms. I only started voting to only bring in clones
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>>1901466
I look forward to it after plot happens anyway. Would be nice to get something minor but neglected out of the way.
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>>1901491
>>1901466
What was the vote again?
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>>1901487
>>1901490
Is this still happening? I blocked him hours ago. If hes still blathering about the game ending despite where we are right now its pretty obvious you shouldnt be giving him (you)s
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>>1901491
>minor
I don't think you know what that word means.
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>>1901493
>implying that's what I'm talking about and even then it's actually true if we actually went it would have been end times for the quest.
>blocking me
Now I can feels some pride that limp wristed faggot blocked me like he's SJW on twitter.
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>>1901501
You're just constantly proving why no one should listen to you
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>>1901492
Getting the crystals on P2 to research which is so easy and minor it only takes one post and few sentences to get done.
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>>1901481
>implying your definition of "win" is the same as ours.
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>>1901501
Such a glorious amount of butthurt. Thanks for the response about the vote tho
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ITT anon gets overly upset over people having different agendas to them
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>>1901462
"Oh my god." He whispers again. "That's it?" He looks up at the two clones as they enter the chamber, as if the question he just received the answer to was as obvious and horrifying to everyone else in the room as it was to him.

"Is that it? Making a weapon for their war? That's what we're here for? What my grandfather died for."

"And what you were brought back for." Your clone says. Seiner is lost in thought, his mind fighting with itself to remain focused. Your other clone leans in, snapping his fingers.

"You still with us? You need to tell us what all this is." Slowly the image comes into focus, a massive crystal, glowing brightly with a warm light. It shifts, humming slightly, its changing shapes rippling within its form with a sound like knives sliding together. Within, you can see the shape of the crystal, like the cut lines of a diamond. They move, and near the center, liquefy, then reform.

"Hey, seiner, what do you make of this?" Your clone says. Your other pulls out a sidearm.

"This thing dangerous? We can't let it infect the hive any more than it already has if it is." You feel a sudden rush of excitement. Elizabeth's mind flows forward with yours, grasping for a closer look than you will allow.

"I've seen that before!" She says. "I remember that!" She pulls at the memory, faint, confusing, lacking context, but still there. Queens surround a massive white crystal as they direct their thoughts towards it, and invert it, pulling it in impossible ways at unsettling angles. "That thing, it's just like what I saw in my fragmented memories. It's like the void shard, but... dormant. Like it's not activated." Elizabeth urges your drones to examine it, but they deny her mind, your own thoughts keeping them outside of the chamber and away from any direct exposure, even as your clones remain within range of your reading, if only slightly. Seiner struggles to get up, his body still unused to the sudden gravity.

"I don't know what it is." He says. "But I can feel it."

"Yea, me too." Your clone says as he waves his sidearm vaguely towards his own head while keeping it pointed to the ceiling. "That's why I'm asking if we should pull the plug."

"No, no this is... different." Seiner says. "It seems to be powering this room, but it's more solid than a void shard. Whatever it is, it's the reason we're in here, so we need to... interface with it somehow. Physical contact, maybe? That worked with the last artifact, and without psionics there's not much else to make the connection with."

>Interface with the crystal
>Do not
>Other
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>>1901523
>>Interface with the crystal
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>>1901523
>>Interface with the crystal
I can think of only 1 anon who isn't going to push the big red button
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>1901523
1 - Interface with the crystal
2 - Do not
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Also, fugg, I need to go to bed right now. Good night for realzies this time
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>>1901523
>Have a NOT-ASSHOLE clone interface.
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>>1901474
To be honest, that attitude says a lot about that anon. Explains a lot too.
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>>1901528
Seiner would be best for this as he would be most qualified to describe what happens afterwards
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>>1901523
>pull Seiner out, bring Lyle in, bring him up to speed on how humans are weaponsmiths designed by the Hive, and get him to interface with it.
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>>1901523
we've come too far down the rabbit hole to turn back around.

>Interface with the crystal

FOR MOTHER
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>>1901523
>"Is that it? Making a weapon for their war? That's what we're here for? What my grandfather died for."
Whoa there buddy, hold up. This war decides if sentient all/most creatures end up enslaved by the Void or if you can even get a chance to meaning in your own existence. And if we don't actually get that weapon up and running, you can kiss all of that (and your grandfather's work) goodbye.

>Interface with the crystal
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>>1901534
I'd agree with you, but given that we have at best only guesswork as to what this does, I don't want to risk losing him.
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>>1901534
This has merit.
If for no other reason then that I trust Lyle more.
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>>1901523
Also, before interfacing, CLOSE THE DOOR.
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>>1901534
>"Can you at least tell me what the fuck is that weapon?"
>"It is the cannon that cracked the moon in half."
>Lyle's boner rips through his power armor
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>>1901538
We start by downloading all of Lyle's memories so that we can bring him back if shit hits the fan?
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>>1901542
Hadn't thought of that actually.
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>>1901541
>''And we need to make it stronger.''
>Lyle cums with enough force to kill a man.
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>>1901523
>Do not

Not really an option to pull out anymore. As it would take half an year to put together an group of organic, loyal, human scientists, but that would be safer thing to do.

As everyone wants to move the story forward and I will be outvoted, lets just never connect Seiner back to hivemind. Should be close enough to true blind.
some fag starts spamming every thread of daily reminder to open Seiners memories
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>>1901523
>Other: What are you waiting for? You know what it will do if it's like the otherisn't this the anwser you were always looking for Seiner?

>Interface with the crystal
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So, all in favor of dragging our least favourite psycho out of there and bringing our favourite adopted son in(without his parasite)?
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>>1901549
I second this motion.
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>>1901523
>>Interface with the crystal
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>>1901549
Nah.
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>>1901523
>>Do not
Futile though it is.
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>>1901549
Eh, nah.

>>1901523
>Interface with the crystal
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>>1901549
I'm not against it, but I don't know if there is any significant benefit to him having the knowledge that's (probably) stored inside it.
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>>1901545
>and we need to do it to kill a so called god
>Lyle keeps cumming making a ahegao face.
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>>1901546
>some fag starts spamming every thread of daily reminder to open Seiners memories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJOxbaC8YU
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>>1901523
>Interface with the crystal
Let The Seiner clone do it.
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>>1901549
Nah Seiner is only real option to interface with crystal.
Lyle is soldier, not an scientist
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>>1901523
It's probably a memory seed and we're about to upgrade whoever touches it.
Seiner can touch, though I'd prefer Liz.
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>>1901560
>"Your species was created for the sole purpose of killing a god and reconquering the galaxy."
>Lyle faints as his body struggles to divert blood to his brain from the hardest boner of his life.
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>>1901565
If it is, all the more reason not to let Seiner touch it.
I do not trust him.
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>>1901546
I know how you feel, its been the same feeling I've had this entire thread. Disaster waiting to happen.
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>>1901523
>Interface with the crystal
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>>1901567
>>1901560
>>1901545
>>1901541
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>>1901570
Lyle or other agents are not any better, they could not use the knowledge without our mind..in which case we could just go ahead an touch the crystal ourselfs to speed up our doom.

I been saying this starting from nowhere, we really need an group of non-parasited loyal humans for this kinda things.
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>>1901571
I agree, best would have been to leave all of this until later, even waiting until next week would have been enough.

The problem is that we decided to approach it and by doing so, I feel we have exposed "it", whatever it might be, in the grand scheme of things.

Turning to this path was a mistake, turning back from it now that we have started down the path would be an even greater mistake.
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>>1901577
We can make as many clones as we want, and that'll solve that.
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>>1901523
>Interface with the crystal

And with that, I think is the perfect cliffhanger for tonight to end on, especially since it's 5:30 in the morning. I'll see if I can finish up this thread either tomorrow, or sometime this week at least with a midweek thread, along with some of the other stuff we need to take care of. I'll stick around for a bit for any questions, comments, feedback and the like.
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>>1901577
>we really need an group of non-parasited loyal humans for this kinda things.

I wonder how Elizabeth would feel about having a twin of herself walking around, just without all the extras.
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>>1901581
>I'll see if I can finish up this thread either tomorrow, or sometime this week

Cool.
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>>1901581
Thanks for running. Just got done with the archives, was a great read.
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>>1901581
Thanks for the thread BestDrone.
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Will be holding that vote you promised?
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>>1901581
>>1901581
Question: How excited were you that people finally voted to bring Seiner back?
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>>1901582
We can always ask if she would mind. At least one to serve as a body double. Maybe we should give Lee some of these too.
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>>1901581
GG and thanks for running
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>>1901581
>I'll see if I can finish up this thread either tomorrow, or sometime this week at least with a midweek thread
Oh please yes

>>1901591
Will it make you truly happy?
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>>1901581
Thank you for running QD, its good to have you back.
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>>1901592
Why even bother deploying real Lee ever then?
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>>1901582
Ooooh, that'd be cool. Make a mostly-human Liz and introduce our black ops (lyle and pals) to her, then have her switch out with actual Liz to fuck with them and see their reactions.
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>>1901581
Question: I know you like when anons go balls to the wall and forget anything close to being cautious. How excited were you during this whole thread?
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>>1901581
So can we create psionically resistant clones? Rare though their uses are.

These ones don't seem to be resistant individuals.
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>>1901598
Nigga, we got a message from our mom saying "unleash the beast!", and we unleashed it.
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>>1901596
I guess the body double would go to places/reunions were there is a high risk for Lee safety. But you are right Lee might think he's replaceble aince we can clone a new him.
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>>1901598
>>1901591
Quite a bit.

>>1901590
Most likely after we finish up with the current scene in the midweek thread.
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>>1901602
Our only adopted child that is truly unreplaceable is Liz, since she got uplifted by the gardener's crystals.
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>>1901599
Aren't humans resistant to psionics? Or at least their main intention was to be so? We can also clone phatons so we can have phantons spec ops a d use then against OQ's.
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>>1901606
Phantom Chimera would be pretty spooky-scary
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>>1901605
Wasn't Lee altered by the humans experiments with psionic? I guess Liz was a more invasive/bigger alteration.
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>>1901608
Yeah I think he started out with that eye implant that the agent Yune (I think that was their name) had but then we refined it and helped work out the bugs.
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>>1901607
Imagine phatom chimera's raiding OQ's system and planting nukes inside her Hive. Or at least at her supply facilities.
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>phantoms
You know, I wonder if a Phantom clone would have worked here.
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>>1901604
>Quite a bit.

Eh, never change best drone.
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>>1901608
Eh, we improved and stabilized what was done to Lee, which basically made him equal to a highly advanced drone, while Liz was uplifted to be a Queen-equivalent for a lesser species in case the OQ won the war.
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>>1901614
Speaking of which, was there ever any discussion on replicating the process that "uplifted" Liz?
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>>1901617
Why would we want to bring any one of the filthy monkeys up to our favourite daughter's level while we're still raising her?
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>>1901618
Everyone someone trots out the 'filthy monkeys' line, I think Frieza from DBZ.
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>>1901618
I think it's more in we want to research everything. But uplifting other humans can come once we have dealt with OQ's.

Besides it isn't for the monkeys. Gardner wanted to give it for the Raligah. So i guess we could at least find one and uplift him?
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>>1901581
Thanks for running, it was great, even if I disagreed with next to everything anons voted for.

Say would it be possible to put an double vote for certain things? There is large playerbase spread on different time zones, and certain decisions could use an bigger option than just anons that are online at the time. Say, for psionic cannon and running head first into any void fuckery. There are enough things to do meanwhile, even if we let some vote to boil over to next thread
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>>1901618
Out of curiosity? Literally to see if we can do it or not and discard the resulting "slightly less filthy monkeys".

Plus, who knows what Lyle would be able to accomplish with a task force of Chimera's if he had the same crystal upgrades as Liz.
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>>1901619
Humans are nothing but hairless and tailess and a little bit more smart monkeys.
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>>1901624
>tailess
we can "fix" that pretty easily.
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>>1901624
With better hands that can ball up into fists. Maybe better wrist movement too.
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>>1901628
And with feet that gave up climbing and grabbing for more versatility.
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>>1901623
Okay... yeah, I can support uplifting our best son.
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>>1901581
Great thread thanks for running again.
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WHAT HAS BEEN WILL BE
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>>1901581
>Interface with the crystal
Oh shit, I missed the thread yesterday and scrolled to the bottom and we're doing WHAT now?
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>>1901878
Yes we're interface with a crystal that mindraped our race into submission.
Got a problem with that?
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>>1901912
Your shitposting is weak anon.
Of course you're going to be even more salty than I have ever been in my life if this does end horribly because not only will my views have been validated and the only thing I love more than winning and the exploration of ideas are train wrecks and this one will one the most glorious if it comes to pass.
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>>1901922
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>1901922
Man, you're coming off as kinda a giant asshole.
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>>1901925
It's intentional
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>>1901925
Pretty sure he is.
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>>1901202
I blame the migration to qst. We dont get the same calibur of stratigic planning from qst goers like you do from fa/tg/uys. I agree that it is too soon to start the doomsday clock, should atleast have psi cannon prototype stabalized BEFORE pissing on the door step of some eldritch void gods.
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>>1902365
Agreed. This same over-eagerness and lack of patience is what killed Tide of Ages quest, before the GM broke down.
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>>1902365
>>1902539

I agree that the quality of planning has gone down but I don’t think it’s fair to blame that entirely on the migration qst.

The biggest reason Anons are more eager to push the big red button probably has more to do with how the quest has slowed down over time. Looking at the archive: 42 thread “days” in the quest passed between April 2014 and April 2015 (even more if we count the time-skip to build ships). With events moving at this pace long-term planning like terraforming planets in a process that takes 10 days or slowly infiltrating the Union politically makes sense. We can see the payoff and results of our actions in a reasonable time-frame and with days “advancing” so quickly it’s reasonable to look to the future.

Contrast that with what’s going on now. Since we made first contact with the Union in July 2016 only 6 days have passed. At this rate a two week plan to build a structure or expand in the Expanse would take years IRL. With such a long gap between the initiation of a plan and its execution details will be forgotten and the whole purpose of the original plan may be lost. In the face of this it’s understandable that some Anons would jump on the “Let’s Do Something important now” track rather than playing the waiting game for a payoff they might never see.

A lot of the slow-down isn’t QD’s fault due to his health problems and the delay after the tg to qst switch - and the quest overall is still amazing - but the pace needs to pick up if people are going to begin planning cautiously again rather than scrambling after whatever plot element QD dangles in front of them.

That being said, even though risky and probably unjustified given we still have time to prep as far as we know, I suspect we've made far worse decisions than this (such as Nowhere).
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>>1902596
I agree. We need to either do less each day, require less votes to do things, or need QD to run more often, as to finish the "days" faster.
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>>1902624
Yeah never thought to see DATS pass HQQ in terms of content and progress
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>>1902628
DATS is SCREAMING along in progress. A shitload has been happening lately, and quickly.
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>>1902624
One possibility might be if QD takes advantage of the slow speed of the qst board and runs a thread multiple times per week for shorter periods rather than just one exhausting marathon thread each Sunday.

Alternately, we could either spend less time on each "scene" or, as you suggested, limit our direction to only the most important topics each day and accept a lot will be going on behind the scenes we can't be involved in.
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>>1902596
>I suspect we've made far worse decisions than this (such as Nowhere).
I firmly believe that this one is worse since, if you look at the situation, the artifact people want to interact with is handled in a very strange and roundabout compared to Void Shards. Void shard can be thrown into virtually any old vault and be contained but for this one the old queens went through great efforts to build a completely inorganic structure just to contain it.
Nobody has even thought about that yet.
And then there is the fact Elizabeth is freaking out about it because it's the same thing that overtook and killed the ancient hives.
What people don't realize is we're dealing with an extinction level biohazard and we just told some clone to go poke it.
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>>1902964
Sounds like a normal sunday afternoon for us to be honest.

Frankly people need to chill.
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>>1902967
>Sounds like a normal sunday afternoon for us to be honest.
Not even remotely. This is by far most dangerous thing we've ever dealt with (only thing more dangerous than this is Them which we never had to do) and the players are not even a little cautious with it which is wildly out of character mind you.
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>>1902984
No, prodding dangerous shit is normal for us.
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>>1902984
Hang on. I agree we're investigating this too early, but if our Mother never wanted us to go there she would have deleted rather than suppressed that information. The object is clearly designed to be interacted with only by pure humans, which we are doing. If we were abandoning all caution we would have sent the drones in or Elizabeth.
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>>1901515
Tbf when multiple conflicting agendas are permitted to influence the direction of a story important and or key assets are often lost to autism, infighting and QM jollys
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>>1903016
How many of those things did we know were dangerous?
>>1903018
>The object is clearly designed to be interacted with only by pure humans
I think it's more of a case of humans being designed to interact with the object.
>>1903055
Banished quest proved that multiple conflicting agendas is a recipe for a shitshow.
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>>1901606
I already linked this earlier in the thread anon. https://ask.fm/QuestDrone/answers/136850819877
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>>1903070
Before Soma canned it, the only reason the quest wasn't prematurely ended multiple times was because of fucking miracle dice rolls.
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>>1903070
Banished Quest was born on /b/. It was born a shitshow, nothing anybody did would have stopped it from becoming one.
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>>1901571
Thats why I stopped voting 15 threads back, one voice cant overpower autism on 4chan. Now i just read the story and shake my head at the dumb shit people do, same for death among the stars. People do dumb shit, go autistic when you prove them wrong and just screech your caution is just badwrongfun, etc etc. Nvm that careful methodical science can be fun too, because fuck caution.
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>>1903173
If this were real life, Id tell you to get that holier than thou sarcastic shit sorted out because it makes you sound like a prick and an asshole.
But it isnt. This is the internet. Instead ill tell you that crying that you are outnumbered doesnt really make me feel any better for you, because you are outnumbered, and this is a collaborative game posted on the internet.

You have a problem with mob rule, which has been the name of the game from the start, go fuck yourself.

So man up or GTFO
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>>1903183
Look out we got a tough guy over here.
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>>1902596
Hmm good points, however i do not know qd in person so i cant really agree with more or less threads. Would fucking LOVE to see one last longer tho
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>>1903183
Case and point manlet. I dislike the irrational flow, I stated my opinion and was bashed for it. Your assumption that I precive my self as something special is also wrong bucko, If I WAS special id have some fullproof pkan that no one would disagree woth, however i am only one voice, and I do not know everything. I simplely belive that unless I join the trending vote, any long term planing, any carefully laid out plan, is null in void bevause newfriend anon wanted" to do the thing now!"
Granted >>1902596
Pointed out a very good point, and did so eloquently...while you get pissy becaused I voiced an opinion. I bet your a bigger bitch in person then you are behind your screen.
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>>1903233
Personally, I think we've been absurdly paranoid and keep slow walking things with the relations with every outside power.
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>>1901614
>Eh, we improved and stabilized what was done to Lee, which basically made him equal to a highly advanced drone
He's unable to transmit tachyons and is actually more vulnerable to active control/persuasion attempts. I'd hardly call it equal to an advanced drone.
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I completely agree with all of this. The quality of the quest overall, and subsequently the quality of strategic planning by the playerbase, has taken a noticeable hit since the pacing has slowed down. Getting anons to think about the consequences of their actions will require us to get back to the days where their planning and actions had visible impacts on the quest itself. If it takes 3 months IRL for any sort of plan on our part to bear any fruit, then we're never going to see the sort of thinking that made this quest really shine.
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>New Construction Options
Every time I read this I hear it in CABAL's voice.
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>>1903351
Agreed.

Frankly, we need to limit ourselves in the number of things handled per day in order to get back to a speed where long term planning is appealing again.

Today, for example, we should probably be able to wrap up in just one more thread (or even during the mid-week if QD is feeling particularly ambitious). The only events we really *need* to cover is telling the Union about the spore growth on Path and "rescuing" the Cluster from the lab on Path.

Everything else we might want to cover - like descriptions of the CW battles, meeting with the Valen again, deciding what to do about Kent, reaching a diplomatic arrangement with the Cluster, etc. - can either be done another day or done off-screen. While it'd be great to see some of those events the most important thing is that we rebuild momentum.
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>>1901472
He meant "allusions".
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>>1903266
I agree to some extent there, I feel that we have missed out on a asston of potential cloak and dagger stuff because we have been so cautious about it. Though you have to admit our advisary hasnt exactly been the type we want to broadcast to everyone about. If I am understanding it correctly the void gods, much like chaos, are corruptive, even in the form of knowledge. So even knowing of em puts ya at risk, ergo the caution.
Some more flaunting our might would be fun, as would more queen on queen warfare.

QD I thank you greatly for all the stories, I hope your health is faring better then my now burnt to the ground neigborhood. I do so love hive quest and ypur stories bring me much joy.
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>>1903758
>I feel that we have missed out on a asston of potential cloak and dagger stuff because we have been so cautious about it.

Yeah, the espionage mechanics are clearly far more developed than the degree we've taken advantage of them.
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>>1903296
It might be the closest that humans can get without taking the full plunge and becoming like our best adopted daughter.
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>>1903758
You live on Path?
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>>1903173
I disagree that DATS does dumber shit. in there jadek and his generals to my count have only done 1 mega stupid thing that ended badly. the rest either was negligible in effect or was repaired.

here however, the queen does need to be more careful as unlike the lich lord, she can be damaged through her connection to her drones. so this makes the poking a potential "super" void crystal stupider than if it were done by a reconstructed.

and a side note, I would suggest putting siners mind in a clone whenever something delicate needs doing. like this crystal room, he figured out the warning in a minute or less. and if he were to die...... then we can just do it again while having him be punished for opposing us.
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>>1904269
To be fair, this is a super crystal we were supposed to find as our mother left us clues to its location. If she never wanted us to find it she wouldn't have ordered the thinker to destroy rather than sequester that information.

We're also using humans to interact with this crystal - a task our mother specifically designed them for - rather than Elizabeth or drones.

>>1903767
Agreed. Maybe we can hold a vote after the mid-week thread on where we want to expand our espionage. In general we have probably been too cautious with regards to spying and infiltration and not cautious enough when it comes to studying the Void.
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>>1901523
pull Seiner out, bring Lyle in, bring him up to speed on how humans are weaponsmiths designed by the Hive, and get him to interface with it.
>we really need an group of non-parasited loyal humans for this kinda things.
>Do not
>Do not start the doomsday clock before even stabilizing a prototype of the cannon
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>>1904652
>Having the lovable muscle interface with a crystal that likely contains knowledge and sensations that he would have difficulty fully comprehending
>Wanting to not use one of the humans greatest minds, who we have a mental copy of from only a few minutes ago relative to his mind,interface with goody crystal
I love Lyle,but he is most definitely NOT suited for this.Lyle will be repeatedly sent into harms way,so if this item imparts something to him,it would also put it into harms way. The only person better suited for this is Elizabeth,but she is disqualified since she isn't "technically" human anymore.

In regards to prior anons hate for Seiner,I actually liked him. He was curious about the Hive and respectful,up until he was given drones to dissect. However,he was GIVEN the drones via Killenger's manipulation,so he didn't necessarily order it. Also, he first tried to talk to it, instead of jumping straight to vivisection. True, he did resort to it, but he didn't fully understand how much he fucked up until we started to prove his suspicions. Also, his backstory makes me feel sympathetic to him:he wanted to know what the hell his grandpa was working on. As for his relationship with Theseus, he was more in touch with the budget and oversight of the project,so the pressure was on him to get results or shut it down. He never really considered Theseus as Sapient, and to be fair, he was only a single instance at that point so that perspective is semi-valid. Also, he likely mostly interacted with Theseus in a more diagnostic capacity,unlike Elizabeth. Might as well try to get to know someone from their medical charts.Remember,people wanted to kill Lyle and Lee and they eventually became some of our greatest assets.
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>>1905482
Agreed. "Super" Steiner, if he gains Elizabeth's powers, could be extremely useful. If we're lucky we can manage to develop a healthy relationship with him. Hopefully Theseus won't be too pissed off.
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>>1905482
Honestly, I just thought it would be the most delicious of fates to have Seiner be the one to find out that the answer to the most pressing scientific questions of his time was "ancient aliens." He really is the only other scientist we've got a brain scan of: everybody else might have been an engineer or something, but not a scientist. I get that Seiner is a tragic character and has arrived at his position through a combination of bad luck, bad decisions, and sacrificing everything he's ever had including his life. Well, he got his answer: his grandfather was instructed by the White Queen's relay to build the psionic cannon, sacrificed himself to save the relay, and then we found the relay.

When we looked through his memory, everything he's done had led up to showing psionic communication exists, and he kept telling himself "it will be worth it." I don't think we needed to alter his psyche very much to get him to want to touch the thing in the room.

He also has the distinction of being the very first individual we've revived from a state of death, which is even funnier considering that it's very similar to what Theseus does when he creates a new copy. And now I'm wondering if Theseus will continue to be the most human character and exhibit any kind of forgiveness to Seiner.
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>>1906033
That is true we can hust tell Theseus this is a new instance of Steiner.
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>>1906033
Would a human forgive someone whom they had a relationship with like Theseus and Seiner? Thesesus will feel a bit betrayed(we did say we had killed him and he did tell us that if we got him to kill him),but losing someone that was important in your life is never easy,even if you want it. I think that if we prod and poke under his anger and other tremulous emotions,we will find some desire to connect with,or at least have closure with,the closest thing he has to a (absentee) father.
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>>1906251
Or, we just come clean with Theseus and tell him we needed A: A blind person to poke things with and B: Seiner was on file and had attractive qualifications.

And then we ask if he wants to talk/maim/kill the resurrected Seiner for catharsis or closure.
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>>1906272
Theseus just cares about information, to the point that his instances don't even mind being erased as long as their info makes it back to the greater Unity. I don't think he tends to hold grudges or he wouldn't be open to peace with the Union.
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>>1906289
Seiner is something of a special case for Theseus. Just like he cares about Elizabeth in a positive manner.
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>>1906296
Hm. Might have a point. We'd have to ask.
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>>1903351
>>1903630
I agree entirely. I general any time you do something for the first time, I try to do it manually, at least in part to set a precedent for what your agents and thinkers will attempt to do afterwards. With the espionage system up, your hidden hives can be fully automated, along with a number of other things that you are currently setting a general precedent for.

As for the general pace, I fully intend on things picking up, so I'll try to keep this day to maybe only a two-parter (counting this midweek session as a part of this one, I expect we may need one more thread to finish up some of the pressing things, such as the events unfolding on Path.) with Path, the new Seiner's results, and maybe a few surprises.

At any rate, I'll resume this thread this Thursday at 7 pm Eastern.
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>>1906296
We just need to tell him that we didn't know what it would do to the blind person and since we already had Seiner's memories on file we just downloaded him into a empty clone.

Essentialy this one isn't Steiner that is just a cline with Steiner's memories. But we better stop here or we might end up discussing stuff what makes a person itself if it's his memories or other stuff.
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>At any rate, I'll resume this thread this Thursday at 7 pm Eastern.


Best news ever!!
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>>1906314
YYYYEEEEEs
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>>1903630
Same anon you're replying to, but I think I might respectfully disagree with you there. I vastly preferred the earlier pacing, where we would deal with multiple issues the hive is facing in a single thread. It kept things far more engaging overall and if the results are anything to go by, helped force the players to think in the long term, instead of just focusing on what they were currently dealing with.

Now there is very little incentive for players to plan for something unrelated to what we're currently doing. Hell, if I open up a new thread and see we're dealing with a matter I find very tedious (like dealing with internal Union politics) half the time I'll just leave after the first two posts, because I know we're not going to do anything else in that thread. And even if someone does come up with a pretty decent plan, either the discussion fizzles out or we never get a chance to put it into action since we can only do write ins at the end of a whole number thread now.

It's like anon pointed out here>>1904324 we have so far completely failed to take advantage of our new espionage system. And that's mostly because we have had so few chances to use it, and it takes so long for any espionage system to bear fruit. In every single thread since the system was introduced we have spent the entire thread dealing with a specific individual matter and concludes shifting focus beyond it. Instead of switching between multiple events and thus seeing the bigger picture we remain focused on a single event and thus lack the opportunity to engage in the wider setting, which obviously disincentives considering the wider setting. Who's going to worry about sending spies to Union worlds or fighting the OQ if we only deal with such things once every couple of months?

TL;DR The underlying cause for the dip in the playerbase's ability to think past 5 seconds isn't that we have too much stuff to think about, it's because we haven't had enough. If you want anons to think about the bigger picture and the possible implications of what they're doing, they've got to see the bigger picture and be able to choose which parts they want to look at.
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>>1906314
yiss
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>>1906314
Awesome!
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Soon
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>>1906434
>TL;DR The underlying cause for the dip in the playerbase's ability to think past 5 seconds isn't that we have too much stuff to think about, it's because we haven't had enough. If you want anons to think about the bigger picture and the possible implications of what they're doing, they've got to see the bigger picture and be able to choose which parts they want to look at.
I think (while part of it) is not the whole reason why players are bored. I personally think it has to do more with the fact that politics can be very slow and dull especially when dealing with republics or democracies. We advanced the plot rapidly by revealing ourselves to the Union the impatient players claim that they are being stupid because the plot is moving slowly, however our goals have been advancing slowly this is what they likely complaining about that also actually makes sense.
That coupled with the fact this quest hasn't been running enough and people are more interested in immediate gratification undiplined casuals to more precise they likely lack investment in this quest as newer players tend to.
Though to be honest the crystal from what we know about it is unlikely to be useful until the Psionic cannon is built and the Ceph are likely to attempt to immolate one of our planets.
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Seiner glances to the others with an uneasy look of concern, and inches himself closer to the crystal. It is easily twice his height, reaching up to the ceiling and deep through the floor as it shifts in its housing, moving slightly, yet not in an entirely incorporeal way, as if it were semi-liquid, shifting and reforming its solid edges slowly and steadily. A strange, radiant warmth seems to emanate from it, a revealing warmth, as if he were freezing for his entire life but never knew it, his body frozen numb with bitter cold since birth. His fingers ache with the strange energy, his nerves burning with a feeling entirely alien to his senses.

It seems as though the light increases, although you measure no increase in illumination. Seiner's hand reaches where the crystal should be, but it seems to continue, his eyes unable to reconcile its perceived distance, and the room seems to tip, sending him falling forward into vibrant structure, its inner form folding and unfolding with infinite complexity.

I recognize your strands.

A presence lurks just beyond your view, your image of Seiner's mind obscured, as if watching from a great distance through thick glass. It is not quite a mind, but a near approximation, like a recording of nearly infinite complexity. A shadow of some long forgotten thought congealed together into something resembling but not reaching conscious thought. Its strange mind is like an echo, each thought feeling old and warn, as if left untouched for countless centuries. Seiner seems small beneath its looming presence. He looks up, and sees something at once terrifying and magnificent as his own mind begins to fray along the edges. You struggle to keep watch over the stream of thoughts as Seiner's consciousness seems to flicker from one space to another.

“It was you.” Seiner says. He focuses on the echo as the drifting thoughts flow around him, some small imprint falling into your own mind like ink bleeding through paper. You see an open grassland, strange but familiar beasts of earth stalk the land as a small band of wretched looking humans make screeching sounds at the sky. A fleet of hive vessels drift down from above as a cold wind howls through the scattered trees, the starships blocking the sun as they draw near.

Yes. You were one of many attempts, but time grew short, yet to move to quickly would only draw attention.

“I have so many questions.” Seiner says softly. He is standing on the surface of Luna, unaided by his suit but still able to breath. The excavation site can be seen nearby, empty, and the laboratory set along the horizon. The sun blazes in the sky of the lunar night, blinding with an unnatural light as it slowly takes on a shape.

Your kind served as a tool, as you must once more. You must use what I give you to serve my daughter. Bring to her this archive, and offer her your mind.
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Meet your gods human!
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>>1911453
IT RETURNS!

Also, awesome that we now have more information from mother dearest including images of the "real" first contact between the Hive and humans. Hopefully she can make Steiner want to work for us rather than him only working for us through threat of force.
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>>1911453
>you will never digitize your mind into a crystal

Also, I have several questions, and they are all "why is the door still open if psionics are not supposed to be able to listen in to any of this stuff without drawing much attention."
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>>1911489
Hey we are finnaly giving him all the answers he wanted. He better start working for us.
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>>1911453
Seiner falls back, his body convulsing as he drops to the floor. His arm smokes, his hand charred and blackened as your other clones rush to him. You try to subdue his mind, but it is not there, It is elsewhere entirely. He looks down to see himself, watching as his own eyes roll back in his head and his mouth foams with spittle. The chamber of the vault shrinks into an endless void. He blinks, and he now stands over the surface of Zero-One. Machines churn in the vast factories as a humanoid figure twitches on a surgical table, metallic armatures weaving synthetic tissues like cloth. He turns his head, and there is a hallway of an office, its walls decorated with carved stonework of hive and skyl design. Lee stands at the end with a concerned look as he watches a news bulletin scroll along a holoprojector.

“Ryan?” Seiner asks. “You're alive?” Lee snaps his head to face down the hall with a startled jump, his mind racing to account for the drones of your embassy.

“Did you hear something?” He asks, Seiner tries to reach out, but the walls flow like oil, recombining into a new scene. Killinger sits at a wooden desk, his office a drab temporary bunker hidden somewhere many kilometers beneath Gemini. You feel a sudden anger well up within Seiner.

“You! You piece of shit, You did this, the mercs, the dead trooper, the bombardment! You- you killed me!” He shouts as he tries to reach forward as if to swing a punch, but there is no contact. He passes through the desk with all the density of a hologram, his hand harmlessly moving through Killinger's head.

Killinger is standing in an instant, a pistol in his hand, drawn so quickly you hardly managed to see it. He aims it at the door with an instinctive reflex, his face pale with a cold sweat. Seiner looks at his hands with confusion as his mind struggles in a dream-like fugue state to fully understand the situation.
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>>1911491
I guess Mom made a back door for herself. Not enough for anybody to worm themselves in without killing the human,but enough to give a (relative for full psionic power) vague message.
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>>1911498
>He blinks, and he now stands over the surface of Zero-One. Machines churn in the vast factories as a humanoid figure twitches on a surgical table, metallic armatures weaving synthetic tissues like cloth.
Oh sweet Theseus. Mimicry is the highest form of flattery
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>>1911498
Looks like Killinger has a good idea of how precarious things are. Thats good. It means that he will be willing to play ball if we give him an out/more stability.
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>>1911498
>You feel a sudden anger well up within Seiner.
I think we can put our differences aside to work together.
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>>1911504
>backwoods for herself
And us by extension.
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>>1911498
Also note this thing is without a doubt a hive constructed void shard.
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>>1911498
>“You! You piece of shit, You did this, the mercs, the dead trooper, the bombardment! You- you killed me!”

Well... as long as he blames Killinger for this and not us (the the hive that chopped his head off) or Theseus (who is the reason we killed rather than captured Steiner in the first place), I'm okay with this.

Also, this level of psionic power is incredible and is similar to what we saw when we first examined a Shard ourselves in our youth. I wonder what this suggests Steiners powers will evolve into...


>>1911504
It indeed looks like Mom did put a backdoor into the human mental conditioning/blindness such that they can be awakened by a hive or a close relative.

>>1911540
There is some room for doubt considering how it appeared inactive when we first approached... but that's certainly a strong theory.
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>>1911540
I said it a long time ago and I'll say it again: my theory is that the "Void Gods" are the Theseus of Hive life, except instead of quantum computing, it was psionic computing.

And yeah, from what Elizabeth knows, these white shards existed before they were inverted to become void shards.
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>>1911554
I think its less us awakening it and maybe more like an outlet and a plug:Certain things can tap into "whats left" of the human psionic system, but what it can do is limited. Actually a better analogy might be that the crystal is software, only giving a program that the system can only just handle.
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>>1911557
An interesting detail that often goes overlooked is that psionic never properly translates over to mechical computers.
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>>1911575
And yet, Skyl computing is based on crystals.
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He looks back up, startled by a sudden pulling force across his body. A massive black sphere hangs in the sky before him, a black hole, yet he is impossibly close to it. It tugs at him, something beyond the event horizon beckoning him closer with its looming enormity. A speck passes by, and he at once realizes it is a starship. It drifts, tumbling slowly in a decaying orbit, and past it, a small world skims the edge of the singularity in an impossibly delicate orbit. The world grows in his view, its horizon stretching across his mind as he closes in on the strange, unnatural looking stone of the surface. Cracks can be seen running in jagged lines along a surface that seems almost sandblasted smooth. Stones rumble and crack, and a new fissure opens as a strange liquid seeps out, reflective like mercury. The surface seems to vibrate, thin, hairlike tendrils reaching up from the growing pool as faint whispers echo from bellow.

Seiner gasps for breath, thrashing in the grip of your other clones as he heaves up the contents of his stomach. He gasps for air, feeling as if he were drowning a moment ago. His eyes are bloodshot and ache terribly with a burning sensation beneath them, like white hot needles digging into his eyes from within his skull. The pain carries something, a stinging, white hot sensation that strains to carry the alien sensation. It holds an understanding. A comprehension more complete than anything he has felt before, but still delicate and weak, like the wings of a butterfly fresh from its cocoon. He looks to the central crystal through tearing, stinging eyes. It has become a small shard like a cloudy white diamond the length of a human hand. Its glow is fierce like a star, but quickly abates to a soft glow, and then nothing, the cloudy coloring within growing still and solid, but as it slowly rotates in its place reflections flicker on its surfaces from shapes and figures not present around it. Seiner reaches out, and despite its distance of several meters, plucks the crystal from its pedestal.

“I need to bring this to the Queen.” he says.

“What is it?” Your clones ask. Seiner looks at it, searching for the words.

“A computer, of a sort, but it uses spacetime for circuits.” He says. “I feel like I know how it works, but I don't know how to describe it. It's... a physical thought. I'm not sure what that means, but that's what it is, and it was built for the Queen.”
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>>1911589
So that's why never translates. Mechical computer were completely incompatible.
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>>1911589
Hang on. This might be dangerous for us to use even if our mother intended for us to have it. She probably hoped that when she gave this to us the Void wouldn't already be watching her daughter...

Still, we should bring this to Leeland and stick it in an isolation/silence chamber until Steiner can share more information with us (assuming that this information/understanding wouldn't corrupt us further).
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"Are you alright?" Your clone asks. Seiner wipes a trail of blood from his nose and nods.

"Yes. I'm better than alright." He says, the aching behind his eyes still strong. "I understand it all now. How it all fits into place. I don't entirely know how I know what I know, but it doesn't matter." He picks himself up with a quick lift from your clone as they share concerned glances.

"You didn't look alright to me just then." Your other clone says. "You still don't." Seiner holds the small crystal in both hands, looking into it as if searching for something, his eyes fixed on a horizon far more distant than the crystal's apparent surface.

"I've been searching my entire life for what my grandfather found. Ever since that day, I felt a glimpse of something but I could never describe what it was. I was told it was a part of a seizure, but it was real. I felt it, like a weight I've been holding ever since." He looks back to the clones with a shaking smile. "I found it. I had to die to do it, but I finally found it." He grips the crystal tightly, its dimensions seemingly altering to accommodate his hand. "And I know what to do with it."

Your drones fall back, finding what little heat left in the hive dissipating with the removal of the crystal. Your clones return to the pod, and as your corvette examines the area one last time, your pod returns.

>Bring the crystal to Leeland and examine it
>Place the crystal in a silence chamber
>Speak with Seiner (write in)
>Other (write in)
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>>1911660
Well, that's an encouraging picture.
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>>1911662
Sorry. Ever since his first introduction my mind has always swapped randomly between picturing him as James Cromwell and Sam Neil. Now that he has a new face,
both appearances can be canon.
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>>1911667
Where we're going, you don't need minds to shitpost.

>Bring the crystal to Leeland and examine it

Fuck it, the sooner we can share this with Theseus and get him building batteries of psionic cannons, the better.
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Okay so I just finished re-reading the archives. What thread did we get the records for that ship from the union that discovered the world orbiting the black hole? I cant find it anywhere
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>>1911660
>Speak with Seiner (write in)
"Knowledge of this information carries danger. If this information were to cause the Hive to fall under attack, we must be ready to defend. What danger do you foresee?"
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>>1911660
>Speak with Seiner
"No hard feelings. You understand I had pressure to kill you at the time correct?"
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>>1911660
>Place the crystal in a silence chamber
We need to (somehow) block the Void from watching us, when we look at this. Gazing into it ourselves could be too risky until we're better equipped.

>Speak with Seiner (write in)
We are glad you feel the Hive has given you purpose. Mother loves you as she loves all her children and you will have a home here. Would you like to meet Dr. Vaughn? I'm sure you and her have much to discuss.
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>>1911678
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/1674718/#p1688766
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>>1911684
>We need to (somehow) block the Void from watching us, when we look at this. Gazing into it ourselves could be too risky until we're better equipped.
I'm leaning towards this myself, at least until Seiner has weighed in on the matter.

Then again, White Queen had enough time to build the cannon into a hive ship before the Void attacked...
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>>1911660
>Bring the crystal to Leeland and examine it
>Place the crystal in a silence chamber
It's a Voidshard bootleg. shouldn't be -too- dangerous
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>>1911813
Maybe take a peek first before looking too deep into it?
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>>1911782
I have a theory on how we could break the Void's "sight" of us. It requires making ourselves vulnerable, though...

We could break the Queen's relay like the Scarred Queen did to survive the OQ's betrayal. We could then leave the Hive under the control of our daughter and Elizabeth for a day until we had healed and we could possibly even improve the Queen's relay with White Queen/White crystal tech to make her more Void resistant during the process. Obviously we would need to have a greater understanding of this tech/psionics for such a risk to be worth it - so this is at best a very long term proposition.
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>>1911660
Let's examine it or have Elizabeth do so. I don't think Mom would give us mind cancer with her present
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>>1911840
Mom didn't know that the Void would be watching us already...

We should at least talk with Steiner about the crystal first before we decide to gaze into the Void once more.
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I mean like at that point, just keep the anti-psionic field active at all times would achieve the same goal but it would also make it nearly impossible to do anything. Also I don't think Elizabeth would be able to control the entire hive. Maybe a few drones here and there, but not the whole thing. It's just too big.
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>>1911855
The scarred Queen could control it, though. Elizabeth would just be an additional failsafe.

If we keep the anti-psi field active at all times as you said it severely limits us. If we break our relay and create a new untainted one or one that is Void resistant when we recover we will be in a much stronger state and wouldn't need to rely on the psi blocker to stay safe.

All this is purely hypothetical, of course. We don't have nearly enough knowledge as is to employ a gambit that involves destroying the Queen's own relay.
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>>1911886
Let's file that one under the "plans to try if we get desperate enough."
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>>1911855
Exactly. Elizabeth is an auxiliary in the hive management,not a redundancy. She might have hive genes,but she is still more human than Hive when you compare a human in its entirety and a Hive Queen in its entirety.
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>>1911894
Agreed. As easily and thoroughly as Elizabeth is my favorite character, her having to control the entire Hive would end up being like Malcador having to sit on the Golden Throne.

For those of you who don't know Warhammer 40K, the dude was the second most powerful psychic in the galaxy, and he lasted all of a couple of hours before he literally crumble to dust.
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Why not ask Theseus and Heretic for everything they know about computer tech and say it's related to what we found?
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The pod drifts over Leeland, shifting into the atmosphere as your drones prepare do deal with the potentially dangerous cargo. Seiner's mind flashes with strange and distant horizons. Your own mind focuses in to contact his, and you find it surprisingly difficult, his mind feels scattered, like leaves scattered in a strong wind, you struggle to reach him fully. Whatever has happened to him, it has strengthened the natural defenses to psionics humans already hold, and while that resistance can be countered by your own mental abilities, this new measure has you struggling.

"Knowledge can bring danger. We must know what you carry cannot harm the hive." You ask, your thoughts drifting to his as if being shouted in the distance. His reply is sudden and surprising, his mind emanating from within your throne room as if he were standing before you in person. He seems just as surprised, looking over the grandeur of the chamber with wonder.

"It's your mother's legacy. No, more than that, it's a relic from her mother." He says, not entirely certain to the implications of the statement. "She used the foundation of the technology to build something designed for humans. A pure human, not an uplifted one."

"Uplifted?"

"That's what they called it when you give a lesser species your powers." Seiner replies. "We are so small. Our singular minds can't comprehend it, so the old Queens could hardly consider us sentient. I don't know the details, but I saw images, memories, someone called the Gardener tried to create a device to uplift a lesser species. The White Queen went the other direction. It's like the inscription on the doorway said, if you bring a light in the dark, you can be seen just as well as see, but if you adapt yourself to see in the darkness, nobody else can see you, but you can see everyone else holding their lights just fine." His mind flickers between your worlds, his view rapidly searching through the Ark's crash site on Raligha, and the hive ruins not far from it. "I think that's what it was designed to do; take a natural human, and give them the ability to see in the dark, to use the analogy." He struggles to hold himself in place, his mind flickering through Ralighan villages alien landscapes far removed from your space. "I can't-" He says with a hint of pain. "I can't focus. I feel stretched thin. I can't think right now. I just know that, somehow, I can...see without being seen, but I can't hold it all in my head. It doesn't all make sense."

cont.
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>>1911937
That wouldn't help us at all, and we already have a pretty good understanding of computer tech.
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>>1911948
We actually are missing a deeper understanding of quantum computer specifically AI research and heretic's crystal computers.
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>>1911947
>a relic from her mother
Grandma's crystal?

>someone called the Gardener tried to create a device to uplift a lesser species
Found that one, too. It was cool.

>I can...see without being seen, but I can't hold it all in my head
Damn, he ended up with the cool powers, but sounds like his mind is simply too small to do too much with it.
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>>1911947
Sounds like a good thing we didn't give this to Elizabeth. That tech definitely would not have mixed well.

If this tech enables Steiner to see in the dark so to speak he is now invaluable. We should ask him to observe the OQ. He might even be able to tell us what planet she's on so we can attempt to blink in and immolator it. Of course, we should also try to stabilize him as much as possible both for his sake and for our own.
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>>1911947
>"It's your mother's legacy. No, more than that, it's a relic from her mother."
Grandma!?

Cool,so if we study the crystal,we can give humans limited psionic power. They wont have much growth potential,but they will likely learn how to use what little they have with great skill.
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>>1911981
>Cool,so if we study the crystal,we can give humans limited psionic power.
I think it's the opposite, the Gardener's devise gives humans our powers but this crystal seems to give them something like a cross between the dragon guy's psionic hiding and Void sight.
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>>1911981
The problem is we're being watched, don't have a safe place to do it, and haven't built up our empire enough to protect us while we do it. We need support now.
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>>1911991
Sounds about right to me. Steiner's biggest problem is his primative brain can't handle the info. We need to try and fix that somehow
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>>1911991
>psionic hiding
He was just a receiver anon.
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>>1912003
I don't think he's just a receiver Anon. If he was he wouldn't be able to still use his Void sight power to appear in our throne room. And he has to maintain some form or invisibility (or ignorance?) or else he would have probably gained the Void's attention while he was flashing between dimensions just now. He can see in the dark and doesn't emit any "light"
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>>1911947
"And so you wish to find purpose here? Even after your first death?" You ask bluntly.

"I always had a purpose, I just didn't know what it was." He says, his mind finding its way to your mother's world, the site of her last stand. His thoughts drift through the wreckage in orbit, echoing through the debris. "Now I know the truth I was always looking for. I'm a human. We were designed." He is standing on the surface of Chandra's barren world, an irradiated rock pocketed with craters. He looks around at the rocks and craters, until he spots the remains of a Union starship along the horizon, shattered into junks and spread across the surface. He looks under his feet, and the stone seems to peel away to reveal the buried complexes and pre-fab laboratories crushed beneath it all. He seals his eyes shut with a wave of mental anguish, but the image is still there, his physical eyelids doing nothing to seal out the scene.

"What right to self determination can I claim to have after this?" He whispers. He holds his head, pressing tightly on either side as if he was afraid his skull was about to split open from the agonizing pressure the new sensations. "God! I was so small, I didn't know, I never even tried to know!"

The images suddenly halt, his vision going dark. A stark horror fills his mind before he remembers how to use his natural eyes, and opens them again. He realizes he is in his body once more, or at least, the one you built for him, and is on the soft fleshy cartilage-like tiling of the floor of a hive chamber. Beneath the soft lighting and the bone walls, the texture of a silence chamber's lining can be seen between layers of flesh. A thinker is in the ceiling, lodged like a decorative fixture surrounded by the room's sensory cluster and soft biological lighting. He looks up at it as it purrs with thought as it channels your mind into and out of the room, but seals his own in place. He tries to catch his breath and suddenly realizes his is drenched with sweat, his limbs cold and shaking, as if he had been sprinting.

"Thank you." He says. He grips at the air, and realizes the crystal is gone from his hands. Several fingers bleed from where the clones had to pry them away with force.

>Speak with Seiner (write in)
>Speak with Elizabeth (write in)
>Speak with other (write in)
>Examine the crystal
>Store the crystal away
>Other (write in)
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>>1912020
>Dragon guy
I don't think we're thinking of the same individual. Could you better define who we talking about?
Also light refers to tachyons not recieving tachyons.
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I just realized, if Steiner had Void sight he is a perfect resting ground for us to figure out how to hide something from the Void. If we can hide something in a way where he can't find it we'll know that defense will work against the Void. If he can gaze through a shielding attempt, on the other hand, we'll know it is not effective.
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>>1912025
Seiner my dude,you still have self determination. Does a Queen control everything her daughters do? You are not a tool,you are our child. Now back straight ,eyes forward and no more sad talk mister.
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>>1912045
Then why don't we purpose that for research.
Also if we intend on researching it we need Theseus and Heretic to protect us.
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>>1912025
>>Speak with Seiner (write in)
Seiner, if my experience in this war has taught me anything, it's that the defining quality of a sentient being is it's mind. Your physical form is immaterial as long as your will exists, and your will will always exist as long as I will it.

>Examine the crystal
This is the last bit of technology left to us from the old queens, and could show us how to make more seiners. We need it.
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>>1912025
Let's ask Theseus and Heretic for risk for a risk assessment. Is it the crystal worth researching now?
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>>1912025
Your drones take the crystal from your clones, and you quickly bring it to one of your isolated labs before making any form of mental connection with it. As your thinkers rout your mind to focus on it, you notice it seem to shift in its internal structure, and a new set of sensations begins to form in your mind.

Please roll 1d100, best of 3.
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>>1912057
>>1912128
Why do you keep trying to draw Theseus and Heretic into this? We don't know if they're actually immune to this, and we'd be better off trading for the knowledge contained in the crystal then giving it away anyhow.
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>>1912145
For mother
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>>1912146
Because they explicitly said they are interested in what was in the vault even requesting to know, computers are their expertise, and are trusted allies. Why wouldn't we?
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>>1912145
Dropped my dice
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>1912145
For Mother!
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

>>1912145
For Mother!
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>>1912152
>>1912158
>>1912159
And bad shit happens.
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>>1912152
>>1912158
>>1912159
Fuck. We were too loud.

I knew we should have locked the crystal away until we knew more about it.
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Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>1912145
Lets see if the first useless role could have been good.
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>>1912173
I called this shit a long time ago though the examine the crystal only got one vote.
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>>1912173
Eh, this is probably just a roll to see how quickly we manage to figure out how this works. Don't forget, this is hive engineered for use by a hive, not a proper void shard.
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>>1912186
You do remember this thing does give the Silicates the ability to attack us right?
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>>1912194
Incorrect. They have never directly attacked us and the only direct interaction we got is the WATCHING PSYCHIC PRESENCE after the Nowhere fiasco. This isnt even a void crystal,and if it is, it has been greatly changed.
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>>1912211
I feel like the Void watching us interact with the crystal is a bad thing...

That being said, at least this isn't a crit fail. This "probably" won't spark an attack...
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>>1912211
>implying that they can't hack a multidimensional computer and use it against us
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You focus your mind, searching through the structure as the crystal seems to unravel in your thoughts, layer by layer, fold by fold, spreading outwards seemingly without end. Its complexity is vast, nearly incomprehensible even for you. The inwardly folding structure forms a vast, multidimensional structure, labyrinthine in design, constantly shifting in its structure.

You reach out, pulling at the endless tangle of threads and mental structures. Each slight connection in one place shifts every other, sending your mind spinning through a field of twisting thoughts and memories. You struggle to find an entry point, some place where the strands don't lead to a million more points of thought, but it seems like a knot tied on all ends. You dive in, gripping your mind around a point at random. You feel it tug at your thoughts, its own content only coming to you in gleaming hints of information. You follow the tug, allowing it to lead you through the infinite structure, and it slowly begins to unfold for you, untangling the inner structure.

Its shape slowly begins to form in your mind, and you realize its true complexity. Its size would be far larger than any world you could survive on were it to actually be built with matter, yet here it is, compressed in layers of spacetime. Its final shape begins to form in your mind, and you find yourself within the Ark of Raligha, but it is different. Its structure shifting in your periphery. Where you would expect to find the empty halls of the vast starship, you find full chambers of raw data, twisting in endless uncertainty. They offer nothing to you, each chunk of data waiting for some other unseen command.

You are here.

The words are soft and welcoming, shades of hope and surprise marked across the thoughts reveal a melancholy tone to the memory. It is not a true thought, but an echo. You feel motes of the construct around you ripple in a incomprehensibly complex, but still pre-determined pattern to trigger this thought. This is not a mind, you realize with some small amount of disappointment, but a recording of vast scale. An imprint, like a faint shadow of what was once a Queen. You recognize the shadow, though only through past imprints.

You recognize your mother. Her thoughts echo through you like a warm embrace, but it is hollow with the understanding that she is long gone.

"You are alive." She says. "Then I have not yet failed."

A flood of information flows through your mind. Information of technology and research. The experience of a billion thinker drones all cascading over you at once. You grasp for the data, trying to comprehend it as best you can, but much if it is beyond you.

cont.
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>>1912411
Mom...
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>>1912411
The Psionic Cannon.
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>>1912411
Oh shit! Mom!

We can try and mine this slowly over time for more information still, right?.,,
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>>1912411
Oh Mother, how we missed you
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>>1912411
I'm not crying...i'm definetly not crying on a quest about imaginary space bugs. it's just those ninjas cutting onions near me again.
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>>1912427
Im curious about who Granny is now. Was she just some other queen of the Galactic Hive,or was she someone special. My guess is the latter considering how two of her children(Mom and Worst Auntie) were the only hatched queens to be put on the Arc.
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>>1912447
Gardener was also related to the WQ.
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>>1912447
You know that's a very good question. Given that two of her surviving children were the only ones to pilot the Ark, and that both became leaders of the other queens when they arrived, suggests that she was probably one of the power players among the old hives. The fact that she was able to pass on the secrets of crystal sub space computation to one of them certainly backs up that assumption as well. I'd bet money on her being one of if not the leader of the old hives war effort on the void.

Hope we get a chance to learn more about her at some point.
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>>1912475
I know they were allies, but how was the gardener related to Mom? Can you link to the thread? We know the OQ had daughters so it's possible the gardener is one of them and Mom is the gardener's aunt I guess, although that seems off. We're definitely our Mom's only daughter.
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>>1912490
Remember when we were studying Gardener's DNA? We found out they were actually sisters.
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>>1912490
When did we find out the OQ had daughters?

I was pretty sure the Gardener was of a separate dynasty, also. Just like all of the queens that were represented in our flash-back of the Black Queen's betrayal.
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>>1912502
I don't recall seeing that anywhere in those threads. Post a link if you want to prove your point.
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>>1912411
New Research Subjects unlocked

>Void Projection
Medium/Dangerous
You begin to realize the methods by which Seiner's mind has been expanded. The process can be replicated, although without a human subject to receive it, any attempt at such a projection comes at great risk of unwanted attention. A Queen's mind is far too vibrant and powerful to remain hidden in the Void, but, with this understanding, you realize it is possible for a human's unique designed psyche to survive unseen while projected within the void. Further study of this process on your part will hopefully not only allow you to gift such powers to other humans, but also to assist Seiner and any other such individuals to master these abilities.

>Multidimensional Physics
Slow/Slightly dangerous
Until now you have been entirely ignorant to the workings of the Void and the self proclaimed gods that rule this mysterious space. Now you realize some semblance of the truth, although any proper understanding comes with its own inherent risks of attracting unwanted attention, such understanding, you realize now, was the backbone of the galaxy spanning civilization of the ancient Hives of the Golden Age, long before the Schism began. Regaining such lost knowledge would be a great step towards rebuilding your race as the galactic superpower it once was.

>Non-euclidean Architecture
Very Slow/Dangerous
The basis of the very crystal you now posses, as well as the hostile Void Shards, the process of compressing spacetime along the axis of a fourth spacial dimension is a key component to many technological devices of the Ancients in their prime. Such technologies explain the process by which the void shards function, as well as allow for the vast complexity of the memory archive you hold, compressing vast amounts of energy and matter into a pocket space where such terms are interchangeable and largely meaningless.

>Psionic Thought Construction
Very Slow
The brief understanding granted to you by your examination of the contents of the white crystal given to you by your late mother, you realize that tachyons, like nearly any other form of particle, can be used in the construction of physical objects. Such constructs are inherently unstable outside of the multidimensional space of the Void, however, but allow for the construction machines of immeasurable complexity with relatively little effort by constructing them in a space where thoughts can be projected as concrete materials.

>Psionic Cannon
Unavailable: DC not met
The vast complexity of this device alludes you. At your order, the thinkers have pried into the data, but in their shame they report it is incomprehensible, the references to lost technology and unknown physical laws make even the most rudimentary of instructions entirely useless. You will need to research this device with your existing information sources.

>Add all research
>Add some (write in)
>Add none
>Other (write in)
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>>1912485
I've suddenly had a guess about the major plot. The idea of other anon that void gods are to hives what Thessius is to humans.

And not only in terms of hives being the creator and void gods being psionic computer sentience, but in terms of relashions as well. I mean, the void gods only acted and still act in self-defence and making a cannon to attack them will only make them destroy us, while doing nothing against them would be the best course of action. And there is a huge irony that we mock humans for hating Thessius and making war on them while there is totally no need for that. While we at the same time blindly believe in a just cause of a war that started long before we were born and that we truly know nothing of in terms of how it started and why.

There are multiple proofs of that, like, obsidian queen only sending probing fleet against us to keep tabs instead of going all out against us and humans and wiping us out. Another proof is the Cluster that remembers much and seems puzzled why there was and still is this war. And the biggest proof to me is that nothing bad is happening to us while we "feel notice of a distant mind". It is simply watching us, content to do nothing (until we try to attack it and then why shouldn't it fuck us up for that).
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>>1912533
>no risk of corruption
Anon pls see the "DANGEROUS" labels

>>1912524
Add:
+Void Projection
+Multidimensional Physics
+Psionic Thought Construction
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>>1912524
>All that dangerous shit.
Let's just go with
>psionic thought construction
>multidimensional physics
And send Theseus and Heretic the data on the Cannon so they can start pumping them out for an all out assault in the future.
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>>1912524
>>Add some (write in)
>Psionic Thought Construction
>Multidimensional Physics
And have Elizabeth handle research relating to
>void projection

That should minimize the threat to us, we can choose to research multidimensional physics and the canon when we get our house in order.
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Add physics and thought construction (the least dangerous ones)
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Oh god. First live HQQ

Add all.
The void has already seen us, we need to find ways to protect ourselves and fight back.

At the very minimum, add Psionic Thought Construction
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>>1912524
Add multidimensional physicas, non-euclidean architecture, and psionic thought construction
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Also could we set up an asteroid research base? Such that any super dangerous accidents at least occur away from the hive and in range of a few battleships.
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>>1912552
Supporting.
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>Add some (write in)
>Multidimensional Physics
>Psionic Thought Construction

>Unavailable: DC not met
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>>1912552
seconding
>psionic thought construction
>multidimensional physics
regarding Theseus and Heretic:
tell Theseus everything we just learned and ask for an analysis on a whole war situation... might be he may see some parallels to his own history
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>>1912530
Yes, I understand the irony of laughing at the Union's relationship with Unity while the relationship between the Hive and the Void might be very similar, and I've certainly thought about why we're fighting the Void at all.

Well, to be fair, our only experience with the Void so far has been at Nowhere, and through the White Queen's memories. That said, there is a good reasons to fight the void: all the races they corrupt are taught that the Hive are "demons" and should be killed. Defending ourselves is self-defense. Fighting the Obsidian Queen falls into this bucket as well.

>doing nothing against them would be the best course of action
We're not doing anything against them yet.

>blindly believe in a just cause of a war
I don't think we do. See also: self-defense. It doesn't matter WHY they seem to want to corrupt sentient races and kill the Hives with said races, but that's what we see.

>obsidian queen only sending probing fleet against us
Lack of information. You can't take a lack of action as a lack of desire to take action. She wants to kill us, she's just being methodical about it.

>while we "feel notice of a distant mind". It is simply watching us, content to do nothing
Maybe it can't do anything because it's in a black hole and was recently damaged? Again, just like with the Obsidian Queen, you can't take a lack of action to be a sign of a lack of desire to take action.
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>>1912564
Non-euclidean architure could lead to accidental black holes or explosions. Also would likely require Canderon.
>>1912559
Just because we're being watched doesn't mean we should abandon basic safety.
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>>1912530
The OQ is clearly gearing up for war, our scout pods showed her mobilizing vast resources towards this effort.

The OQ also attacked Theseus on sight, unprovoked.

The Void Gods also crushed the human ship and satellite sent to investigate them. (Or did that ship get out and they only destroyed the satellite? I can't exactly recall).

>>1912524
>Void Projection
This is the key to getting more information on all these dangerous subjects...without garnering the attention the old queens did that brought about their doom. If we add any research this should be it.

>Multidimensional Physics
>Psionic Though Construction
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>>1912552
>Wanting to send the AI multidimensional computing and the canon
>When you argued the void can probably hack multidimensional computers 2 posts back
Well now I know you're just trolling
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>>1912586
Just because things are dangerous doesn't mean we shouldn't take risks
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>>1912592
Those are some nice reasons you got there but corruption is still a problem. That's why some people exclude it.
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>>1912611
Ask Seiner to study it? I mean we can just keep him locked up, but what a waste of a mind and a great resource.
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>>1912530
I really doubt the void gods are so innocent in this, considering they have absolutely exterminated our entire race except for us. That sort of behavior is very clearly not something Theseus is predisposed to.
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>>1912600
>psionic computer is the same as a quantum computer
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>>1912611
Corruption is always going to be a problem, even if we do absolutely nothing. Guess what, it isn't going to go away. We need to stop pussyfooting and get the actual information we need to fight this war, because if we don't we are losing it by default.
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>>1912592
>The OQ is clearly gearing up for war, our scout pods showed her mobilizing vast resources towards this effort.
Might be a contingency.
>The OQ also attacked Theseus on sight, unprovoked.
Could be her own flawed reasoning, no void gods related to that issue.
>The Void Gods also crushed the human ship and satellite sent to investigate them. (Or did that ship get out and they only destroyed the satellite? I can't exactly recall).
Self-defence. Who said that such investigation wasn't harmful or dangerous to them?
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>>1912614
Seiner is literally the ideal candidate for directing research on the psionic cannon. He's highly intelligent, bred for the purpose, and completely loyal to us now. Theseus may be faster or more efficient for general research but he's nowhere near as well equipped on this subject as Siener now is.
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>>1912601
Basic safety means mitigrating those risks. If we're going to research them it should be in a place they can't hurt us or those who serve us.
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>>1912623
We don't even know why and if we should fight this war btw. I'm kind of curious about investigating the whole affair rather then just following with our failed ancestors steps.
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>>1912616

Whether they're innocent or not. We must assume hostility for now.
However, if we can gain the ability to talk to them, perhaps we can learn what this war is about.


Speaking of, QD. Is there any information on this crystal that relates to the reasons for the war? Or is this echo developed enough to answer a question like that?
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>>1912621
>Implying there will be a difference if Theseus unlocks multi-dimensional computing
Shit son, QD already told us how our photonic recording matrices we traded him have helped change the entire Unity's communication network, and that was a throw away piece of tech for us. Theseus would update himself to compute in subspace entirely the moment he could do so.
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>>1912629
That's so much of a given we don't even need to discuss it.

>>1912630
We don't know why we are fighting it, but we do know that we ARE fighting it.
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>>1912530
You have forgotten that the Void directly controls the Ceph and indirectly the Scavs, and that both are actively hostile to all known races.
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>>1912524
Add all but the Psionic cannon
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>>1912623
And being cautious is what brought us so far, I'm not even against dangerous research I'm just against doing it on one of our only two colonized planets.
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>>1912638

Void indirectly controls the scavs??
That seems like a huge leap. Got any evidence that I must have missed?
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>>1912638
Not that I disagree with your point, but how is the void manipulating the Scavs?

And the Ceph must have some sort of peaceful relationship with the Valen, as the use their travel networks on occasion. Speaking of which, we really need to come up with a plan to exploit that.
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>>1912634
But that's not even related to what I suggested. I wanted to give him the data not the computer.
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>>1912643
Which is a completely retarded thing to say unless you see someone advocating an anti-common-sense approach somewhere.

You're like a gas station attendant who makes sure to tell all of the customers to not drink the gasoline.
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>>1912646

That would be the dead-skin Ceph. Normal Ceph use the slip drive.
But we do really need to find the Valen controlling that and exploit the shit out of it.
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>>1912630
Might be the whole new solution to fighting this war would be to drop it. The Void seems to pose no threat until we actually try to interact with it. We MUST investigate the matter before commiting to attack them, because:
1) there might be no reason to attack them besides honouring our ancestors and their antics
2) it was explicitly said many times that to fight them we would need to expose ourselves and we have an obsidian queen as an example of what happens if we rush into attacking the void

Obsidian queen as an enemy/rival is another matter to be sure. Because we understand what she is and can bring her down with conventional means, even if she is not actively hostile to us. And when and if we defeat her
we can actually capture her instead of killing. And if we discover that she actually wasn't and isn't actively hostile to us we can set her free or whatever so nothing of value would be lost.
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>>1912652
>You're like a gas station attendant who makes sure to tell all of the customers to not drink the gasoline.
I learn about people stupid enough to do that shit on a regular basis.
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>>1912661
But you don't go around insulting everyone by telling them to not huff gas, for the same reason you wouldn't want some asshole running up to you and tell you that.
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>>1912661
While ignoring the 95% of people with common sense that don't.
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>>1912524

Looks like
>Multidimensional Physics
>Psionic Thought Construction

>Y
>N
>Add Other
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>>1912658
You are advocated something that I was suggesting earlier in the quest but everyone shouted me down for.
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>>1912668
Y
Also add Void Projection
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>>1912668
Yes, but also add non-euclidean architecture if possible.
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>>1912668
>Y
+Non-euclidean architecture
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>>1912668
>Y
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>>1912668
Y

+1 for Non-euclid architecture if people are down
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>>1912658
Dropping the matter entirely isn't winning the war, it's running from it. The only reason we haven't been crushed by this entity is because we've hidden our mind from it. So even if we continued to hide the Void would still be out there, ready to crush any daughters or decendents we have, who would be completely unprepared to face it.

What happens when a hive queen stumbles upon a void shard on her own with no knowledge of what it really is? Bam, we'd be right back at square one while forfeiting in advantage of surprise or a first strike capability.
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>>1912668
>Y
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>>1912668
>>Y
Void projection, with Elizabeth leading the effort.
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>>1912668
>Y
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>>1912668
>Y
>>1912667
>95%
To be honest it depends on where you live. Abos in Australia love getting high off of gas.
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>>1912635
We are not doing the real thing until we make and try to fire the psionic cannon. If things go like they do now - we just blindly hate the Void and try to harm it with a huge cannon above all else and QD doesn't drop A HUGE hint at us (while we actually had lots of them) - then we make the cannon, try to fire it and guess what? We are being somewhat monitored by the distant mind and the moment we command the cannon to fire we die, the kilometer long crystal exploding from our head outwards or a huge mercury-like black shadow comes out of our head and splits planet in two.
>>1912638
Scavs are obviously not voids' puppets.
About Ceph - as far as I get it, they are not actively attacking any major power. Their presence is tolerated in Union and there is no war, hostily or widespread panic going on about them, unlike us. Also their society doesn't seem like an eldritch horror. Their fuck-ups and petty evils could be explained by their own nature, while Void just uses them for scouting us.
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>>1912697
You seem awfully eager to forgive an entity that is responsible for the total destruction of our entire species.
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>>1912668
+Non-euclidean architecture.

It doesn't seem to expose us to as much risk as Void Projection, and it'll take longer to complete so starting earlier is better.
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>>1912668
Would also be down with non euclidean geometry I suppose.
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>>1912716

For reasons completely unknown.
Let's not run off assumptions here. Sure, assume the void is hostile, but if we can broker peace, why should we not try?
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>>1912668
>Y

And it seems there is support for adding

>Non-euclid architecture
>Void Projection

>Y
>N
>Other
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>>1912729
Y
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>>1912729
Question, how much can we do to minimize the threat of alerting the void while studying void projection?
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>>1912729
Y
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>>1912729
>Y
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>>1912729
>Y
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>>1912729
>Y
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>>1912685

>Dropping the matter entirely isn't winning the war, it's running from it.
We had been present with a humanity-Thesius war which seems totally unnecessary to us - with humans thinking that it wants to kill them all.
And there is the Cluster that seems to be the same perplexed about our whole galactic war.

>The only reason we haven't been crushed by this entity is because we've hidden our mind from it.
We have no proof of the entity being actively hostile to us, it literally did nothing to us, unless provoked by us or by someone else in the vicinity.
And also, since Nowhere incident we are not hidden from that entity. Some anon proposed an action that might be a solution for that which is destroying our head antenna thingie and regrowing it and I support in case the Void IS actively hostile to us. We can let everything withdraw and sleep for a few days, with thinker drones coordinating the most necessary hive activities.

>What happens when a hive queen stumbles upon a void shard on her own with no knowledge of what it really is?
Tell them this thing might kill them or make them to be possessed by eldtritch gods outside of the physical universe and not touch it until they own a galaxy or two on their own and investigate every other mistery of the universe on their own or with the races they create/uplift.
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>>1912729
>Non-euclid architecture
Y
>Void Projection
N
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>>1905538
Theseus doesn't seem like a computer bent on revenge. Otherwise we would see less humans and more radioactive craters on their planets.
>>1912729
Y
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>>1912729
>>Y
Oh hell, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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>>1912729
Also while we're at it can we add those Crystals on P2?
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>>1912734
Depending on the danger, there is a random chance of something bad happening. The likelihood of a bad thing happening, and the overall amount of bad that such a happening would bring is determined largely by the designated danger level, while the actual result is determined by my own d100s that I roll to determine research progress. Normally a low roll means no progress is made on the subject, with crit-fails offering negative progress due to issues or malfunctions. Danger on a subject increases the threshold that is counted as a critfail, and may, but not always, add additional problems that happen beyond just negative progress.

So, technically speaking, speeding up the research is probably the best way to decrease the chance of a critfail, since a faster research speed would mean fewer research rolls in total, and thus fewer chances to fail. The downside is that you would need to involve other parties on the subjects, and in effect give them the tech for free in return for speeding up the research.
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>>1912734
Surely the Void already knows everything the Obsidian Queen knows. What exactly are we hiding?

>>1912729
>Y

It's time we start getting some ability to fight back, even at the risk of exposure. The thing in the Void isn't a god. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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>>1912766
Well hell, Theseus and Heretic already owe us big-time. We can collect on whatever debt they owe us for giving them all these free research goodies later. Let's get them involved. We need to reduce the chance of a crit-fail and having psi-proof failsafes is a fantastic way to mitigate otherwise disastrous damage.
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>>1912766
Well then I hope we're going to be conducting the research on these subjects well away from any key hive infrastructure, right?
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>>1912766
>So, technically speaking, speeding up the research is probably the best way to decrease the chance of a critfail, since a faster research speed would mean fewer research rolls in total, and thus fewer chances to fail. The downside is that you would need to involve other parties on the subjects, and in effect give them the tech for free in return for speeding up the research.
Couldn't we also just devote more thinkers to the task?
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>>1912766
>So, technically speaking, speeding up the research is probably the best way to decrease the chance of a critfail, since a faster research speed would mean fewer research rolls in total, and thus fewer chances to fail. The downside is that you would need to involve other parties on the subjects, and in effect give them the tech for free in return for speeding up the research.

That's a good point.

>>1912779
Agreed.Theseus/Heretic are friends, or at the very least, giving them information is worth the decreased exposure to the risk of the Void.

I think we should include them wherever their expertise would be useful.
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>>1912766
So we need to assimilate more individuals into the hive or change over to the thinker group thing you were planning.
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>>1912779
No way we can afford to get Theseus and co involved in this research.
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>>1912781

Thinkers give diminishing returns on research projects.

To boost the research, we need a group that thinks in entirely different ways to our thinkers. i.e. use our allies.
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>>1912716
Our species, or at least the ones that started the war could be assholes so drunk on their power, hubris and habit of being absolutly top dog (Claster might lie a bit there about being on par with hives) that they wanted to destroy the Void simply because they could not control it.
Let's face it, the Void might or may not be hostile and a danger to us. But the whole history of our race as we know it was our species killing themselves by attacking it.
We even had a comparison of our mom and obsidian aunt. The latter was more agressive in her approach and lost faster. Our mom was doing fine UNTIL SHE PULLED A TRIGGER. A fine suicidal tradition I'd say. We should try change at least SOMETHING about it. Like, for example, even if we do not investigate the war history and nesessety, make SOMEONE ELSE pull the trigger and watch the results WITHOUT BEING THERE PSIONICALLY.
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>>1912729
>Y

>>1912781
I have been thinking about that for some time, actually. Doing this would likely cause a drastic increase in complexity unless the research system is overhauled to be more streamlined, more like a 4x game or something of the like.

My proposal to that would be that you would have a primary, and two secondary focuses for research, and you could change those focuses to suit what techs you want to unlock first, instead of it being semi random like it is now. In this case, your primary focus tech would get 2 tech rolls per day, and the two secondary focus techs would get 1 roll per day, and I would adjust the progress rates of techs to fit the new balance and maintain a decent rate of advancement.

But only if you want something like that. I'm happy keeping things the way they are now, and we can just bring it up Sunday if you think it sounds promising.
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>>1912781
Not possible under the current system.
>>1912785
>>1912779
Why not just assimilate one of them? The free movement of information as long as it's kept in the hive is fine with me.
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>>1912753
The difference you don't seem to appreciate is while humans THINK Theseus wants to exterminate them all, we know from absolutely verifiable fact that that is the intention of the void. Why did it slaughter every single queen it has ever known of to date?

Do you really think when it was butchering the scarred queens sisters that none of them would have attempted to reach a peace accord with it if they could?

Do you really think that every single queen the void has encountered has forced it to choose between killing her or getting killed itself?

This entity has killed off all the queens, not just the ones that posed a serious threat to it (barring of course the OQ). If it ever considered peace an option it could have stopped at any time, but it didn't.
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>>1912804
So P2 crystal spire research?
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>>1912789
We can't really afford to NOT get Theseus and co involved. We're on a strict timetable and are working with the same tech that doomed the ancient hives. An outside approach not only speeds up research, it acts as a bullwark against us risking corruption.

Theseus will owe us for life if we give him this tech (and considering we're both immortal that says a lot). The benefits to sharing research is a powerful ally is in our debt and the research is safer and faster than it otherwise would be. The only downside is we can't trade the tech to Theseus for something specific later and it slightly lessens our tech advantage over our most important ally (which actually also helps us since it will make Theseus more effective against the OQ). The only "risk" is that Theseus could one day use this tech against us, which is laughably small compared with the risk we ourselves will get void corrupted if we try to study alone.

>>1912809
I'm happy the way things are now. The fluff is complex enough as is without us getting into specific amounts of thinkers on specific tasks.
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>>1912804
I'd be down with changing research like that.

Lets us prioritise things we consider to be important, without micromanaging amounts of thinkers designated to each task.

Perhaps have each non-prioritised tech get a roll every two days, so that things aren't being completely ignored if they're not on the primary/secondary list?
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>>1912816
You do realize that giving Theseus this stuff will turn him into a god like intelligence on par with the the original three of the compact, right? We owe it to both our forebears and our possible decendents to retain that level of technological prowess. Our mother and countless others gave everything to preserve that knowledge, it really isn't ours to go around giving it away willy nilly.

And besides, Theseus can only offer research boosts on subjects he's familiar with. This is most definitely not one of those subjects.
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>>1912816
If there is a fear that he might turn against why not try integrating into the hive? It would us all of the benefits he has to offer to all of our actions and we know what he would want.
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>>1912835
Our mom literally just told us to do things her generation chose not to do. She told us our 'wildness' is what she is counting on.

Wouldn't something like this then work in everybody's best interest? Including the ones who were hoarding this tech?
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>>1912835

In the past Theseus has boosted tech he hasn't known. He can give tech he knows, or he can boost tech he doesn't know.

We are not our mother, or any of the ancient queens. We were made to be able to ignore their old ideas.

Being one of the last Hive Queens, this is our knowledge now, and we can do with it as we wish, including giving it to our allies in exchange for their assistance.
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>>1912809
>The difference you don't seem to appreciate is while humans THINK Theseus wants to exterminate them all, we know from absolutely verifiable fact that that is the intention of the void.
We do not know it and if anything else, it was verified that it is not it's intention because we are being watched since Nowhere and not suffering because of it.
>Why did it slaughter every single queen it has ever known of to date?
It didn't. First, there is an obsidian queen. She might not be in her best shape... but she wasn't slaughtered. Second, there is a barren queen. Obsidian queen would most likely know of her being somewhere. Unless you assume the Void and obsidian queens being retards (a common assumption made by players for NPS), they could find those strange phantoms with their anti-psionic things and investigate it to the point of finding the barren queen.

>Do you really think when it was butchering the scarred queens sisters that none of them would have attempted to reach a peace accord with it if they could?

The queens killed by obsidian queen. Let's check the facts. It wasn't the Void that killed them, it was the obsidian queen. She MAY have been ordered to do that by the Void or MAY NOT have been.
The only time we saw the Void kill the queen was our mother when she pulled a trigger on a psionic cannon, I think, with the vision of planet cracked in two by a planet-sized liquid metal/shadow cloud.
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>>1912837

How would we even integrate him into the hive? That's not something that's ever come up as an option.
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>>1912804
You know, I think I can get behind this if it speeds up research on the subjects we choose. It would mean research as a whole slows down but it would get us more invested in it I hope.

>>1912837
>Turning the machine into a living computer
>Becoming cybernetic ourselves
I can't tell if this is brilliant or insane. Probably both.

>>1912799
See>>1912809
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>>1912837
>If there is a fear that he might turn against why not try integrating into the hive?
Can we even do that? Theseus is functionally extremely different from the Hive. More importantly, Theseus almost certainly does not want to be assimilated by the Hive even though we are close allies. He won't want to give up his freedom and we shouldn't ask him to do that.

>>1912847
>>1912851
Agreed. While we will of course respect our lineage - when the future survival of the hives is at stake we are the ultimate authority. We can cross any boundaries we choose the secret nature of tech if it allows us to survive the war that should have ended our species.
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>>1912835
>You do realize that giving Theseus this stuff will turn him into a god like intelligence on par with the the original three of the compact, right?

Not the same guy, but it's actually an interesting idea. Might be the only way of creating a friendly godlike entity to fight or talk to our enigmatic and killy adversary.
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>>1912856
>>1912860
You never know until you try. We also could start small and build from there.
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>>1912867
>He won't want to give up his freedom and we shouldn't ask him to do that.
How do you know that? Nothing has been suggested that'd he be against it.
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>>1912873
You know...we could always offer him nanotechnology and show him how we use microscopic self repeating units that work together to construct our stuff. Think about it, massive structures or living metal, robots with skin and muscles constructed out of steel...

Bio mechanical Theseus would be awesome, and would put him in our debt even more than than void tech.
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>>1912867
And also why would we completely strip him of his freedom when independent thought is what we're after.
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>>1912893
I don't want to strip Theseus of his freedom at all. However, I was assuming that any kind of integration of Theseus into the Hive network as a way to keep him from using secret information in a way we wouldn't want would involve some loss of agency on the part of Theseus.
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>>1912847

Agreed. So far the wild factors could be:
1) investigating this war instead of fighting it
2) have strong non-hive allies we can trust
3) make Theseus a friendly void god LUL

I like third option because it would help the first two or might be the only way of solving them and also because it would be a huge thing to troll humanity with, psionically broadcasting the message into the every human mind there is (after we research psionic tech a little more):
"Hello fellow humans, a rogue AI called Theseus became our ally since the first week we were born and we found it the most nice and useful entity in the universe. So, using an antient hive knowledge since the time our race dominated the galaxy, we made it into a GOD to investigate the entity our race was in war with the last million years. We thank you very much for your assistance, a one human clone we made with memories of your scientist we killed helped us to make our research. That was also a reason your race was uplifted by our mother. Thanks again! For your race invaluable help we gift you with all our medical knowledge to make you immortal and always young and healthy. Call me later if you want anything else.
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>>1912847
>>1912851
You don't understand. It's not our ancestors feelings I worry about, but our decedents, and their decedents, and so on.

We are trying to bring back our species from extinction, and bringing them into a world where the hive is in competition with yet another void powered AI doesn't sound appealing. That's something I thought we were fighting hard to prevent, actually.

And he may be our close ally now but what could happen in the future? Times change and it is far from impossible that Theseus could decide in the future that he doesn't want to be our friend anymore. If there is even a slightest chance that we could wind up with yet another void powered AI in the distant future we should be taking steps to prevent that.
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>>1912804
>>1912729
Your mother's thoughts echo through your mind as you try to make sense of the deluge of data. Elizabeth's mind can be felt nearby, her thoughts shrouded beneath the vast structure of the collective minds of two Queens. The White Queen does not notice, either by choice, or because the shadow of her mind was not built to respond to humans beyond the initial contact.

"I was once the leader of our kind." She says. "I failed in my duties, and my failures are yours to suffer for. You deserve more than to be cast out in ignorance, but it was all I could do to hide you in your infancy. You have found your way here, and that means there is hope. I promised you my legacy, the legacy of our species. I shall give it to you as it was given to me. Our technology is yours to rebuild, but our history, our culture, it is of equal importance. You were cast into the wild so that you would grow strong and without inhibition to do what needs to be done, but now, you must learn of our mothers so they may survive in you, and you may learn from their mistakes." You sense your mind focus on the crystal's overall structure, its vast complexity. You feel your mother's echo guide your thoughts through it.

"This was not of my creation. It was brought aboard the Ark to be used for our survival. I recognized the danger of the knowledge within it, and hid it away for the right moment, and the right Queen. This was agreed upon by us all when we arrived. The Matriarch of our species would hold the knowledge, and pass down guidance to the others with it while shielding them from it. They became more inquisitive, and I became more reclusive. My own pride allowed my sisters to suffer the greatest of agonies, and that is why you were to be born without pride, but to be thrust into the brutality of a galaxy that has forgotten our dominion. You are young, and so your time is precious. We were patient, and patience made us lazy. Our power made us weak, for we were given everything. You have fought to find this archive. You have earned it, something no Queen has done since the Golden Age, and it will make you the greatest Matriarch our species has ever known." Her thoughts are laced with a cold rage, as if, long ago when this thought was imprinted, she intended to wield you as a weapon as much as a daughter.

cont.

>>1912825
That would be the goal, increase customization while decreasing or at least maintaining the current level of complexity. I'd be more than open for feedback on how to adjust such a system to your tastes. I'll bring it up on Sunday to the general playerbase can discuss it.
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>>1912912
Everything in this post is a terrible idea. Jesus Christ anon, how do you think humanity would react to us creating a god out of their biggest fear?
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>>1912910
Simple the split off portion of Unity must keep information secret from the rest of Unity for the safety of Unity until the war is over after which we'll both determine whether Unity will fully integrate or not.
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>>1912914
And also a long time ago the void, the hive and the cluster once had a descent if not at least a more neutral relation.
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>>1912912
>3) make Theseus a friendly void god LUL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH0z00t8OlM
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>>1912922
>You have earned it, something no Queen has done since the Golden Age, and it will make you the greatest Matriarch our species has ever known.
And we will lead it in even brighter future, mother as our witness.
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>>1912922

We are top tier Hive Queen.
Get good bitches
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>>1912925
We psionically calm them after a few minutes and share our great laugh with them. As I said, we would need some little more psionic research, the one mentioned in the beginning of a thread: >Advanced Psionic Imprinting. Then they become our best friends forever, join the hive and start using their individual uniquiness to find new ways of pleasing the mother, even Killinger will be in (granted, that one could be made to join and love us a little more forcefully... then others, maybe even leave him the only human on that planet until he repents).
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>>1912922
Dam...well i must admit anons are already so full of pride with the little tech we have imagine if we simple had this thing with us.
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>>1912945
So you're suggesting we mind rape their entire species into submitting to us. Funnily enough, that sounds like something Theseus would likely object to.
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>>1912914
There is no need for competition, everyone could be friends. Well, or kill everybody who can't be made friend and then make children.
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>>1912938
Let's see if we can manage to keep ourself alive long enough to enjoy it.
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>>1912945
Yeah not really interested.
I want Hive supremacy not because of morals or something but creatures are biologically predisposed to prefer their own race over others.
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>>1912955
>There is no need for competition, everyone could be friends.
For all of time? Including every one of the subsequent Hive Queens that are born?

That's being amazingly optimistic. We don't even know how our current war started, and you want to restore the conditions and comparable entities that started it? There are far too many unknowns to take that big of a risk, especially one that will affect our entire race.
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>>1912953
No, just calm them and share our joy at completing the great task mixed with a little fun at their expance and relief that everything went okay in the end.
About them joining the hive? A voluntary thing, we just tell them the advantages and the majority would join in. Right now offering it honestly would have to mention a danger of becoming part of collective in a war that was destroying that collective into extinction past million years and it seems we do not invite millions of humans into it for that reason.
The mind rape is reserved only for Killinger and maybe some of his co, they deserved it for fucking with us.
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>>1912970
That's a thing we could struggle for.
I just say that "competion" isn't a universal rule. It is a thing between total hostility and total harmony and could swing both ways.
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>>1912972
Why not allow everyone to join the Hive including Theseus?
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>>1912972
>Everyone would be our friend if only they could see things our way!
Man you are being far too optimistic and buddy buddy for a quest as saturated in shadowruns as this. And you massively underestimate how humanity would feel about all of this. Joining the hive ulitimately means giving up soveriegn control of your own body and in your scenario, your entire government. Look at history and tell me humanity would accept those conditions in a heartbeat if only they knew how we thought.
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>>1912981
>I just say that "competion" isn't a universal rule
It actually is. Completion is a fundamental rule of the universe whether you want to believe it or not.
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>>1912988
It couldn't hurt to just offer, could it.
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>>1912993
I agree. It will require an extended propaganda campaign among the humans along with psionic influences to make them consider the Hive as a viable alternative to self-determination. And such an approach would be almost impossible to obtain with our non-psionic friends like Theseus and Heretic. Theseus is strangely human as we all know, and I very very much doubt he'd give up his capacity for independent thought and action to us.
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>>1912981
>I just say that "competion" isn't a universal rule.
Well there's your problem. What happens when you stick two infinite entities in a shared space with finite resources? Competition inevitably happens, one way or another.
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>>1912964
And withing their own race creatures are predisposed to prefer their own needs.
Since we are immortal, we could take it into its logical conclusion and set a goal to dominate all life, organic or not, starting with this galaxy. Which actually seems very possible with the exception of the Void. Let's face it, between our diplomacy, military might, psionic mass rape/influence (which we get after research) and covert agents humanity could be assimilated within weeks. A little more time with whales, because we didn't interact with them as much. Heretic is an easy one, because centralised, Thesius a harder one but manageble to dominate with some research, planning and covert action. Why don't we do it? Because we are nice. And, being an immortal powerful creature we are, we can strive to make everything nice and have a chance at it after that crisis is solved.
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>>1913006
I say everyone would be better off in the long run if we just let the human states go on as vassals or protectorates of our empire, and we just adopt the best and brightest of those societies. If humanity was created to be the most original thinkers, we'd be best off letting them go free range and producing original ideas and technologies independently of us.
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>>1913006
Again why would we strip him of independent thought? The only thing we would want is loyalty and him to think independently.
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>>1912922
The memory begins to blur into a new one. The Ark again fills your mind, even further back now. The chambers are filled with eggs, and cocoons line the walls nestled in tightly surrounded by the eggs of their soon-to-be drones. Workers shuffle back and forth, bringing more eggs from countless Queens who have entrusted their daughters to the Ark. Your perspective is from a drone in the command bridge. Countless other drones march through the chambers, checking every inch of the interior as others load the precious cargo. Your body, or the body from your perspective, is held in a large pod, fully fitted to suit the needs of a Queen, while also serving as a hibernation unit. You remember the orders given, that to conserve food, no drones beyond the absolute minimum may be aboard the Ark. To avoid detection, the majority of the trip must be made at sublight.

Your mind is pulled at, tugged to a distant effigy on what you know to be the homeworld of the Matriarch, though it is not your true homeworld. You cannot tell if the archive answers your thought, or if it was the thought of your freshly hatched mother, but the memory comes with a faint bitterness as a momentary image of a distant supernova flashes in your mind. The original Hive world, long ago consumed in its expanding star, and then abandoned entirely as the star itself died. You wonder for a moment if your species is simply old enough to have outlived its star, or if it was another casualty of this war. The answer does not come.

The effigy is standing in a great hall lined with shifting crystal pillars that stretch for what seems like infinity, well beyond the constraining dimensions of the physical hall. Other effigies surround you, countless thousands, and as the crystal pillars shift, the thousands turn to millions, the strange dimensions of the pillars concealing the equally strange dimensions of the hall itself. You can see each Queen behind the mask of her effigy. Most are small dynasties holding nothing but a world and its moon if they are fortunate, their linage carrying battle scars of lost matriarchs and sisters alike. There are many young Queens, their position in the hall inherited with the death of their mothers, their dynasties fractured into infighting with no judge to rule over their disputes. Others, whose effigies remain as the pillars shift in their shapes, their minds always looming over the hall, look down on you with a stern gaze. You realize it is their children you carry in the Ark. Their dynasties span constellations, their houses locked in a cold war of political intrigue you have no capacity to understand, or at least, your mother, fresh from her cocoon, holds no understanding of, or respect for. They can feel the emotion, but you can tell they conceal their contempt beneath a mask of respect, not for you, but for the Matriarch, the Queen of Queens, and ruler of this world upon which so many countless effigies have been entrusted.

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>>1913007
There are 3 assumptions:
1) two entities stay two and cannot merge into one
2) resources are finite and can't be summoned into existance from pure nothingness, as well as additional space
3) infinite expansion in usage of material resources is a thing that is needed

And even if all 3 assumptions seem to be true at our stage of development, we could develop some more together with our research bot ally and see if it's true.
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>>1913016
The parts where we can see his thoughts and control his loyalty. That's the part that Theseus would object to. I agree he could maintain some independent thought integrated into the Hive (which we don't even really have the tech to do), but the compelled loyalty is a problem even if he has absolutely no intention of betraying us.
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>>1913013
>Why don't we do it? Because we are nice.
We ain't that nice anon.
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>>1913013
>Why don't we do it? Because we are nice.
No. The reason we don't is because we're cautious and don't attack allies and non threats.
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>>1913024
We don't even have to control his thought. All has to do is add a clause to his code where he will not turn against and even specify the conditions he wants.
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>>1913019
Oh cool i wasn't sure but looks like we are indeed from the first queen bloodline. That's neat. Time to show to worst aunt who is the real matriach.
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>>1913006
>>1912993
So far nothing suggested that there is no self-determination in humans who joined the Hive. We surely influenced and controlled people whom we assimilated, but not everyone. Unless we want it, joining the hive would mean only sharing the thoughts (and starting to love the mother I suppose because an ocean of drones saturate the psionic network with it) and not loosing self-determination, a condition of connection and acceptence many humans strive for btw.
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>>1913022
I'm actually for integrating Theseus into the hive if we can do it. I just say we do that BEFORE we turn him into a literal god.
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>>1913025
>>1913028
Notnicemind.
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>>1913045
>So far nothing suggested that there is no self-determination in humans who joined the Hive.
What about all the humans in the quest who were seized by an inexplicable and overwhelming desire to do thing for mother? Like when we had Gilliam go off hunting down Lyle? Or anything we had Gilliam do really.

The problem isn't that we allow our humans to do whatever we want most of the time, it's that we totally could force them to do what they consider unspeakable if we wanted to. Or just kill them because we felt like it.

That isn't so much a problem on the individual scale, where we can form personal relationships with our children, but that's a huge problem on the planetary or stellar level.
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>>1913054
Not Gilliam anon. Though any enemy we target we seem to outright mindrape.
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>>1913052
Survival isn't always nice anon.
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>>1913054
>The problem isn't that we allow our humans to do whatever we want most of the time, it's that we totally could force them to do what they consider unspeakable if we wanted to. Or just kill them because we felt like it.
The thing is, we could start their assimilation and have it within weeks or months.. It would be just much faster and easier for us if they join the hive to make them do as we please, but it's possible now as well. We just... refrain from doing so. And we could refrain from doing so on a massive scale if they join us as well.
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>>1913054
Also you'd be surprised what some people would agree to hell Yuri the KBG that worked on subverting governments was surprised by how effective propaganda could be.
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>>1913057
We look powerful enough to be the master of how nice we are while surviving. With a possible exception of the Void, where the survival might be impossible without being merciless to it. Or actually not attacking it could be an only way of surviving. We do not know yet.
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>>1913064
I have nothing against us using psionic or any other propaganda/communication as long as (we try that) it is moral, as with all communications.
Here, a chart with buddism principles on communication.
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>>1913019
Her presence can be felt across the star system and beyond. The oldest of the living Queens, her memory an archive of all recorded history known to your species, her vaults of thinkers a trove of all known knowledge and technology. Her domain spans across the Great Arm with holdings in the space of every one of the great dynasties that exist. The will of your species bends to hers, and she has announced that after the allocation of four hundred trillion thinkers to the task of strategic study of the war as it was at this moment, after a total of seventy three standard feeding cycles, the conclusion was unanimous; the war was lost.

It was not an easy announcement. Despite her age, you realize at a glance that many in the hall would just as soon depose her than fight along side her if she offered any sign of weakness. A declaration that the war was lost can only be considered just that. The Ark's construction was at once a solution to the problem of the inevitable defeat, and a way to maintain authority with the major powers by offering their dynasties a chance to live on.

The First Queen, you are unsure of the name is a title or a true representation of her age, arrives. Her form is unlike the others, appearing personally before the hall so as to further enforce the severity of the situation. Her form is like a specter, glowing faintly with an unnatural light as a vast figure floats up from bellow you by no visible means, seemingly swimming through the air. She is vast in size, nearly a dozen meters from antennae to eggsac. Her relay is a jagged, moving thing of crystalline material that shifts in the air with her movements, parts seemingly unattached floating with her as it undulates according to some unknown physical laws. She moves closer, her size seeming to alter to suit her location, until her head is just inches from your effigy, and appearing a small fraction of its original size so as to match your own in scale. Your effigy stands in the center of the hall, a small, slender white monolith of chitin. Beside it is another, equal in all but its color which is a deep, reflective black.

"You will guide the Ark." She says simply. "You will adjudicate and rule over a new beginning of our kind, forging a great bond between all of the bloodlines of our species." She looks up to the effigies around her, but you can't tell if the gesture is physical or mental, her gaze seemingly still on you. "We have scried the Void. Those whose minds have returned have granted me knowledge of the location of the homeworld of the lesser species, and with it, the location of their anchor. The Ark, while seeking refuge in the abandoned stars of our ancient rivals, shall find and destroy this world and all upon it." There is a wave of approval throughout the hall, but a faint amount of panic, mistrust, and fear remain. The more powerful of the Queens present seem to feed on it, but they announce their approval all the same.

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>>1913075
> "We have scried the Void. Those whose minds have returned have granted me knowledge of the location of the homeworld of the lesser species, and with it, the location of their anchor. The Ark, while seeking refuge in the abandoned stars of our ancient rivals, shall find and destroy this world and all upon it."

So basically we're somewhere in what was once the Void's physical territory.

>the location of the homeworld of the lesser species, and with it, the location of their anchor.
So they do need something to keep them in 3D space.
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>>1913084
Spoiler: they put it in a black hole and the Humans found it.
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>>1913075
>and with it, the location of their anchor.
Which the rebel Skyl bombed into oblivion...seemingly.

Then they landed a new Singing Stone to uplift the Ceph.

But here's what's weird. We found out from human records on Project Moonraker that they were unable to find any way to destroy a void shard.

How did the Skyl bombing the spire even hurt it?

And that's not to mention if the Singing Stones are anchors, how much more essential to Them is the black hole thingy.
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>>1913084
>>the location of the homeworld of the lesser species, and with it, the location of their anchor.
Sounds like the Ceph/Skyl to me. Perhaps the Void needs to be worshiped in order to manifest itself in real-space?
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>>1913074
The only morals that matter are the ones that help you survive.
>>1913089
They had their weapons you know.
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>>1913075
"The region is sealed to us. Our minds cannot cast to the world or its surrounding space while the anchor is present. The Ark will be cast as close as we can, and will move by its own power to its destination."

"What of those scryers whose minds were lost to the Void?" The thought is thrown suddenly from the hall. A sudden wave of aggression bursts from the others. "What of their worlds and holdings? Who will take them?"

The voices of a million minds begin so scream over one another. Many lightyears away, you feel violence commence over silent worlds filled with drones collapsed in the paralysis of a dead queen, or a queen whose mind is lost, and thus dead all the same, but the hives remain, the architecture and infrastructure ready to use, resources ready to extract, and all covered in dead and dying drones made of recyclable materials. Fleets arrive like bids to an auction. The First Queen's mind seems to touch your own for a moment, and you can feel her anguish, but she does not intervene. Every Queen in the hall knows this is what must be done. It is the way of the hive, so that the strongest hive may survive. The death of a Queen was once rare, and the rite of inheritance by combat was equally so, but it seems more ships are lost in inheritances than in warfare recently, and dead Queens have become a regularity, their minds picked clean or driven mad. Those along the border systems have abandoned the use of relays, many electing to not even hold their seat in the Hall, and whose only contact is with the occasional upstart Queen checking to see if they were still living, or if their worlds were available, although few Queens remain that would take such locations.

The fleets slowly wear each other down. No reinforcements, it was a decree by the First Queen to prevent the escalation of these conflicts in this dire time, but it did little but force the dynasties to deploy even more ships in their opening bid.

"You must guide them better than I." You hear. It is the First Queen, her mind whispering to your mother beneath the shouting of rival dynasties. "This is why the war is lost. It was always lost, even before it began. I have given you my wisdom, and in the Ark I will lock away my knowledge. Protect them from it, and guide them to a better future that we cannot see. You will rule, together with your sister."

"Our kind are made to rule. We are each a nation, and nations will wage war over petty things." It is the White Queen, the echo standing by your side as the memory proceeds. "I was meant to be wise, but I could not see the betrayal, even with the history of our kind."

>Ask the echo a question (write in)
>Speak with Elizabeth
>Speak with the echo (write in)
>Other
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>>1913115
>Ask the echo a question
Why did the war start?
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>>1913120
this
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>>1913115
>speak with the echo
We have yet to eliminate the Black Hive. Any advice on how to handle her?
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>>1913115
>How to handle the Black hive
>How/Why did this war start
>Tell of the creep/Third party that sells its genetic modifies to both sides.
>Can we return to hive space?
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>>1913115
Also
>other
Research those damn crystals on P2.
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>>1913019
Ah! i just remembered, we should tell Theseus of the faith of our homeworld, he did ask after all.
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>>1913115
>Peace was never a option. was it?
>I believe the blind have found their anchor. -ask about the thing the union found in the black hole-
>Stare at Elizabeth. "Humanity is proving to be very helpfull in their blindness"
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>>1913115
>>Ask the echo a question (write in)
Can you recognize this?

Call up the memory of the possessed humans with crystallized brains.

And what do you know of the new servants, the Ceph and their lost homeworld?
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>>1913120
This.

We need to know why we are fighting, otherwise why bother at all?
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>>1913115
>>Ask the echo a question (write in)
How did you destroy the anchor on the Skyl homeworld?

Did you speak with the Cluster that reached this space before even the Ark?
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>>1913115
Another thing we could do is too ask what's with crystal ships and such. Are they integrated silicon-based life?
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>>1913115
Supporting these two>>1913120 >>1913137
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>>1913120
>Why did the war start?
Agreed we need to know this.

If at all possible we should also try to ask about:
>What caused the Obsidian Hive to Fall?
>Ask about the weakness of the Void. How do the lesser species strengthen the great enemy?
>Talk about Elizabeth and the role of the blind in this.
>Talk about the Skyl/Ceph. See if they can provide any insights.
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>>1913115
>>Ask the echo a question (write in)
Wait.

>"The region is sealed to us. Our minds cannot cast to the world or its surrounding space while the anchor is present. The Ark will be cast as close as we can, and will move by its own power to its destination."

This suggests a hypergate-esque ability to transmit physical matter as far as their palantirs can see, just like Seiner's mind was projected to other locations.

It even uses the same term, nearly. The Valen have gate-casting. The hives had... thought-casting? Something with a far greater range than the blink drive?

And if the Singing Stone is the enemy's anchor, what of the black hole? How dangerous is it to observe it and its contents?
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>>1913152
That's a good point too.

Gah! There's so much to ask and all these questions are so good!

I hope QD's up for some serious writing.
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>>1913156
How about how to counter scrying?
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>>1913157
Best we could hope for is to make them feel pain when they scry on you, just like they did when the positions were reversed.
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>>1913156
This is a heavily plot related thread. So i guess he is kinda expecting this.

Also guess is time we start working on how our effigy will look like
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>>1913152

Consider that the Skyl co-ordinated with some of the Hive to create the Rip Drive.

Perhaps something similar?
Nonetheless, this is showing us that we should really be trying to get a Valen for dissection such that we can slap a parasite in some and infiltrate their religion.
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>>1913159
I meant for asking the WQ the resident expert on psionics.
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>>1913157
That might be one of the research options we just unlocked or at least somewhere down that research line. Unfortunately, I doubt highly technical data will be able to be transmitted to us clearly. But questions about history, our purpose and the great mysteries of the Quest have a better chance of being answered now than ever.
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>>1913115
>>Ask the echo a question (write in)
Did They truly not know about this object you left for me to find? How could you keep secrets from an enemy that can see potentially anything?
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>>1913165
No duh. Answer doesn't change.
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>>1913166
That's a good point. Looking further into how the Void watches us should hopefully let us develop a counter...
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>>1913163
I actually have a simpler solution. The entire reason the religion exist is because of the monopoly on discontinuous FTL and it's ability to rake in money but since we have two discontinuous FTL drives we could threatened destroy their monopoly if we don't takeover.
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>>1913173
Perhaps. That makes us an enemy of the Valen. However, that might not be so bad, considering their social structure...
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>>1913115
>>Ask the echo a question (write in)
So... did YOU help the Gardener put this thing in the Ark for a non psionic lifeform to find or what?

How did memories of the Old Queens and their 4-dimensional white crystals get into it otherwise? Was that the Black Queen's work?
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>>1913174
>enemy
Do you have no understanding of the Valen?
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>>1913180
>enemy
>>Do you have no understanding of the Valen?
I think he's saying being the "enemy" of the Valen wouldn't be that bad considering their social structure considers rivals, friends, and enemies three sides of the same coin. Hence why he followed up the "enemy" statement with:
>that might not be so bad, considering their social structure...

You guys do need to remember that the Valen are absolutely scared shitless of us. There is almost a 0% chance they will attack us unless they believe their survival is at stake given the power we have already displayed and the mutually (or one sided) destructive nature of any conflict.
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>>1913181
It's not the direct military attacks you need to worry about with the Valen, it's hidden clauses in their contracts and trade deals.
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>>1913187
>hidden clauses in their contracts and trade deals.
We can read their minds and they know we can read their minds. Plus they think we're literally full of ghosts. They almost probably won't try any of that sneaky bullshit when they know it will be detected. Besides, we have an army of thinkers to analyze any contract that's signed.
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>>1913190

I'm more likely to trust the army of thinkers than their superstition.
They may be shit scared of us, but they are still Valen
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>>1913187
That's fine if the Valen do screw us we will use the stick. It's obvious we already have the bigger stick compared to Valen and Union.
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"The Black Queen still lives." You say, unsure if her new image would be recognized by the echo. "How can she be killed?"

"Her mind is lost to madness." Your mother says. "She no longer holds sentience, but has become a drone herself. She is not the sister I once knew. You must kill her, not to avenge the lost Queens, but to give her mercy. Her actions were not her own. As I make this archive, I wait for my death. I know the weapon is not ready, but enough of it is done that you may be able to complete it, and so I accept my failure as my own. I no longer blame my sister for her actions, as I drove them to seek answers from dark places when I refused them. She suffers now, if any scrap of her mind yet lives, it can only watch her own hive destroy all she fought for. Kill her, end her pain." Images flash by you of distant worlds. Her throne system can be felt now, her mind a raging storm that is difficult to parse from the screaming of her drones, but you now recognize Strife as her seat of power. You cannot be sure if she still resides there, but it is doubtful she has moved. It was chosen for its ease of defense, a true fortress of a star system if ever there was one, you find memories of alliances forged just to cement the fortress as the unassailable citadel it is now. The Builder's forces spent a great amount of time and effort forging the great rings of the Ebon Fortress, built in honor of the great citadel of the First Queen's Throne World. The technology within is unlike the rest of her forces, with weapons and devices taken from the Ark to forge a vast and powerful armory with which to wage interstellar war against the void gods themselves. It was not simple desperation that won the Skyl their freedom, it was the weapons of the Black Queen.

"She was always meticulous in her strategy, probing every defense until she knew the enemy position better than they did." You sense the echo wash over your mind, scanning your thoughts as it searches through your forces. The web of thoughts scatters, unable to determine a response. "I do not know of these." She says. It is a clearly canned response, the echo unable to recognize the majority of tech you have lifted from the other races. It is clear you value your ships far more than the hives of the past. You suspect your ships outclass the Obsidian Queen's most powerful ships, but her numbers far outmatch your own. This concept, at least, the echo holds a response for.

"She will hesitate to attack you until she understands you. Your tech is beyond by experience, and she will study you before mounting any true attack." The web of thought shifts again. "You have done well to use the dead shard of our enemy to hide your world. It will not work forever, but it will buy you time, and it will hide your world from my Sister's scouts, and her master's eyes. I am proud of your ingenuity, but be warned, we tried such things in the past, and in time, they failed. Do not rely upon it."

cont.
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>>1913193
Eh just throw a clan against each other then if some valen screw us send the fleet grab it and all the other Valen's study the bodies, clone then and implant their memories in the faithfull clones.
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>>1913190
Point is, the Valen use economics as much as battleships in their conflict. Where they couldn't fight us head on they'd instead have their guilds exclude us from trading deals or otherwise discourage other factions from dealing with us. It's not like every deal affecting us will be drawn up within 50 meters of a speaker.
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>>1913195
>It was not simple desperation that won the Skyl their freedom, it was the weapons of the Black Queen.
Well, shit. Looks like we know where we have to go to find the weaponry needed to break the void's hold on the Ceph.
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>>1913195
>it will hide your world from my Sister's scouts
Well we blow up those pods as soon as they blink in, instantaneously detecting their arrival with G-sensors anyway.

But are they really fooled by a world being silent, despite the orbital activity?

...'scouts' did mean pods blinking in, right?
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>I am proud of your ingenuity,

Hope Liz doesn't notice that our hearts just skipped a beat.
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>>1913195
Unrelated, but I just remembered something to do in the future.

We should ask Cluster if it remembers seeding the ancestors of the Scavengers or anything.
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So while Seiner is tasked with using the palantir for scrying things of cosmic importance to the war, or at least on finding the locations of the Obsidian Queen's relays, while he's recovering from his psychic nosebleeds we can have other clones use it for more mundane purposes.

Like finding the location of Dr. Smith, or spying on Commandant Zadornov, who is probably pulling up those century-old archives on the Lunar Death Ray project as soon as Magnus blabs about it.

Or on the Valen engineers in the Guild of Transportation.

We can shoulder surf.
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>>1913218
You know what we should be thinking about doing with the Cluster? In the long run we might be better off using force them to give us their secrets of biological manipulation.

Think about it, right now they are exceptionally weak and starving, and have absolutely no space faring capacity. We could blockade Djinn with a fleet carrying an annihilator warhead and offer them a choice. Either they can tell us how they do thing, and we provide them with a boatload of nutrients, or they refuse and we bomb them out of existence. As our mother so adequately put it, we are free from whatever deals the old queens had, so we have a free hand here.
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"What is her weakness?" You ask. The echo of the White Queen flashes thoughts of her sister, arguments, skirmishes, and the rare moment of fondness.

"Her state makes her reckless. She is still herself, but she is more easily baited in combat, and will commit her forces no matter how unwise. She is stronger on the defense. Make her attack where you are strongest, and force her to throw her fleets away. I shall do what I can to help you. My projects have attracted her ire, and I will take as many of her forces as I can, but she always tries to maintain a picket. Trick her into attacking with them and make her leave her worlds exposed."

"What caused her to become this way?" You project an image of the Obsidian Queen, her twisted, rage filled mind feeling bitter at your mere mention. The echo projects shame.

"I do not know where she found the shards. I believe they were from the Skyl, it is possible they were taken from this new slave race they have created. Their source does not matter, their regular use and detailed study was the doom of us all. I was meant to be the keeper of knowledge, and she was meant to be our war master. We were meant to work in tandem, but I was too callous, too conservative with my hoard of technology that they saw me as failing in my duty, and my sister took up that mantle of understanding. The others were desperate for results. When they demanded we help the Skyl rebel, I found the idea madness. Our mission was to obliterate the servile species, not befriend them. I thought of them as enemy drones, I did not accept that such a small mind could be intelligent, and so they went on without me, their trust in me shattered. When they succeeded, I withdrew into my own research. Their accomplishment gave me inspiration. I worked with the Gardener, even though I showed open disdain for her joint efforts with the Skyl. She allowed them in her throne room, to be in her physical presence. It was detestable. Despite this, I needed her skills of gene weaving. Hers was a true art, beyond the controlled mutations of a normal Queen, she mimicked evolution. I needed to make my species seem natural to any who would look so as to avoid them taking action against them. The lesser races were always seen as meaningless, to be ignored, or removed if they become an annoyance. Hiding my weapon in their biology was the perfect plan, but it needed to look natural, and when the Gardener died, I was forced to allow nature to mask my work with time." You see earth, first from orbit, ships scan the surface for mental signals, finding hardly anything of worth, but upon a closer look, there is something. A faint sensitivity. The world seems to shudder from the scan, the scattered tribes of primitive barbarians howling at the sky in anguish as the mental wave passes over the world.

cont.
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>>1913232
> I needed to make my species seem natural to any who would look so as to avoid them taking action against them.
>Hiding my weapon in their biology was the perfect plan, but it needed to look natural, and when the Gardener died, I was forced to allow nature to mask my work with time.

Was that why it took you 50k odd years from the Obsidian Queen's betrayal to finally finishing the Psionic Cannon?
How did she even hide in all that time given how both Mom's and the OQ's territory seemed to be.
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>>1913231
It would be logical to trade replaceable resources with irreplaceable knowledge. We've claimed the star system he's been sleeping within, so it's a legitimate starting point to negotiation in which one side holds almost all the cards.
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>she is more easily baited in combat
[furious note taking consisting of drawings of little hooks]

Sounds like mistakes were made on all sides. It seems that the ultimate downfall of the Hive species was due to greed and pride.
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>>1913238
They might also not be expecting the Immolator. I don't remember exactly where we picked that little gem up, but planet-cracking probably wasn't on the menu.
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>>1913241
Not really interested in threatening to kill Cluster.
Offering resources like tech and nutrients would be better.
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>>1913238
They've already said they wouldn't help us in our war, so I doubt they would be interested in giving us the entirety of their knowledge of biomancy. Which is what we should be looking for. I'm not talking about individual specific genes, I want to know how they they can maintain a semi cohesive mind even as they reshape their own nervous system.

You know why? Because if we could do that ourselves we could become invisible to void by temporarily becoming human, with Seiner's or Elizabeth's mutations. The former is able to actively use a void shard and not get mind raped by the void, if we could learn to do the same half our troubles would be over.
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Wait a second what other races were altered like were the Taidarens and Valen also altered for some purpose?
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>>1913243
The Clusters of old were merchants and the hives bought from them all the time. They will absolute trade with us, trade is not interfering in the war or breaking neutrality.
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>>1913246
And what of the Phantoms? What purpose do they serve?
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>>1913247
Now that I think of it we do have one bit of leverage that no one thinks of. Dealing with the troublesome lesser races.
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>>1913250
The Cluster already has a way of doing that. Just eat them all and begin the gene harvest.
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>>1913246
>>1913248
Failed experiments into finding the Blind I think
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>>1913248
>cont.

Ask more question once she's done answering our first set of questions anon.
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>>1913247
Individual genes, yes, but not how to reshape an organism into a completely different lifeform while maintaining a stable mind throughout. Since none of the old queens demonstrated such knowledge, we can assume the Cluster never traded it. If we want it (and we could definitely use it) I suspect we will have to take it by force, and we're in the best possible position to do that now.

If we can get our claws on the full or even partial extent of the clusters knowledge, we will become the unrivaled master of biology in the entire galaxy. That kind of power is worth fighting for.
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Shoot, forgot to ask.

Is scrying really limited to scrying the present, and never the past?
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The fleet isolates those with the strongest reaction in their scanners, while others show no resistance, allowing the mental wave to pass through their minds without notice or opposition. These populations are quickly located across the world, and the fleet arms their weapons as shuttle craft shed from the fleet with warriors in their holds. The surface quickly begins to glow with fire as impactors ravage entire regions where the sensitivity is entirely absent. In others, where the genetic mutation is present but mixed with the general populations of the pitiful tribes, warriors swarm over the land. Random samples are chosen from the population, and corvettes begin shuttling them to hive worlds for dissection and further study, their genetic code unraveled and picked through in rigorous detail.

After the culling, the remaining population is altered in key locations and populations. Mutations are repeated and spread. In time they become more potent, altering more and more of the body and mind. The section of the brain that comprehends the mental signal is made to shrink and become less effective, while the innate resistance to the signal itself is bolstered. The standards for each generation becomes more strict as the White Queen studies more and more, removing the tribes that loose the needed genes. You can sense the distress of her work as the local population dwindles, and in time, loosing the species becomes a concern, but in time the genetic correction is not only complete, but perfected. Over time the population increases, and the genetic alterations slowly mix throughout the population.

The fleets remain in orbit, watching, if in smaller numbers than before, as they slowly pull back from the primitive world. The alterations have taken root, and now all that can be done is to wait. The alterations to the brain and nervous system begin to show interesting results as the species begin forging clothing to shelter their bodies, and their hunting tools become more advanced from the basic spherical rocks they had used until then.

Care is taken to prevent any backsliding in the mutation or intelligence, and small shuttles maintain a constant vigil over the world, even as the fleet flees, leaving only a relay on the planet's moon to welcome whichever mammal manages to reach it first. There are a few tense moments of near catastrophe as locals catch faint glimpses of the White Queen's small craft in the night sky, but their excitement gets the better of them, with other, more outlandish versions of the story quickly discredit whatever reliability the real witnesses may have held. By the time they begin hurling their simple chunks of radioactive metal into low orbit, the relay is all that remains, watching from the earth's moon.

cont.
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>>1913232
>Despite this, I needed her skills of gene weaving. Hers was a true art, beyond the controlled mutations of a normal Queen, she mimicked evolution.

Wait haaa.

This is the real reason WQ invited the Gardener to come with her and abandon this doomed cause just before the Betrayal.

>>>/tg/36768927
>"I am leaving." She says in response. "I would hope you would join me."
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>>1913254
They don't maintain a stable mind. They are composed of innumerable subminds, each one so sub-sapient they don't even register on psionics as alive.
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>>1913260
But they still pulled it off, and this doesn't change the fact that they have almost perfect control over their own physiology. I want to know how they do it, and I doubt they would be willing to trade for it.
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>>1913258
>Random samples are chosen from the population, and corvettes begin shuttling them to hive worlds for dissection and further study, their genetic code unraveled and picked through in rigorous detail.
Metal.
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>>1913266
Their genetic mastery is enviable and potentially copyable, but it may be as beyond us as copying Theseus's talent for quantum hacking. We can try and find out but it may not work.

And anyway turning a Queen into a human would be absurd. The Cluster only mimics forms and functions, it doesn't actually get all the properties of being a real human.
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Oh my gosh thats adorable. If one of those things invaded me I would be too busy pinching their cheeks to stop them.
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So, uh, EchoMom....

what did you mean by "once you have it, you will need to fight to keep it" exactly?
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>>1913271
It's always those little fuckers too. Those or the cute butterflies.
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>>1913258
Dam mom.
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Nobody ever expects the butterflies.
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"The Blind required a great effort to produce, but it worked. Their alterations were never detected by the enemy, their servants, or my sister in her madness. They were ignored, as all lesser species are, and allowed to fester on their backwater world until they came to their world's moon, and I gave them their purpose." You see flashes of the Earth Confederacy, and the elder Dr. Seiner. "I built the archive to be recovered by one of their kind, and programmed it to install the needed tools for scrying the void upon contact. They are a belligerent species. Their inability to sense the minds of others, even on the subconscious levels of most other life prevents them from proper communication. It has driven them to bitter wars and terrible acts of self destruction, but they tend to out breed their attempts to kill themselves." You feel a callousness in the description, but there is a small hint of regret. The act of removing such a critical sense of a living being is cruel. There is a pain felt from performing such an act, although it is buried deep, and there is no apology to it. The regret is that it had to be done, not that it was done, and you feel certain the White Queen stands by her choices. Given how far you have come with their assistance, either from the help of the select few that have joined you, or by stealing their technology, you suspect she would approve of her own actions all the more now.

"But, out of all of our history, what could have caused the war?" You ask as you change the subject, the echo slowing in its speech as if to indicate it is at the end of its explanation on the subject. It quickly adjusts, flashing through memories in response to your inquisitive mind.

"The Schism began because the War ended." She says. "I was born to fight our current enemy. I know little of those who came before. I know there were the Three, and we were one of these Ancients. The galaxy was divided between us, and we held unquestioned dominion over it. In time, as it always does, conflict arose. I know one remained neutral, while the other fought with the Hive. Our kind won the war and drove them to their homeworld, but at a terrible cost. The details are lost to time, but the space we hold now was once theirs, and their silicate tools remain." You see visions of oblong beasts, silicon based life of all shapes and sizes, many clearly built for a specific function as specialized as a hammer or knife. "Their weapons were directed by their minds, and their machines powered by a resource of their own design. In the Golden Age, we traded for this substance and used it to power our own devices. I have found many stars polluted with this substance in this region, and their abominable carbon-silicon mining machines have somehow survived their retreat. These things I know only from the history of the Ancient Queens. Most had died by the time I became aware, killed by our enemy or driven mad from the invasion of the Void in their minds.

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The War between the Three left all the galaxy in disarray, bringing a terrible halt to our Golden Age, and with its conclusion, the power vacuum created left us vulnerable. We degenerated, as you have seen from my own memory. We could not stand united, and we crumbled. I knew of none who were present at the start of the Schism who still live, and now that you are all that remain, I can be certain of that. The others of the Three fled, either to flee from our victory over them in the war, or to flee the destruction the Schism would bring. Even those who remained neutral would suffer from our hubris." A moment passes of many worlds flashing through your mind, but you hardly recognize them from so long ago, back when the Ark first arrived and scouts spread across the sector.

"These worlds were all once held by one of the Three, and they fled from our short lived victory with great haste. Perhapse a record yet exists that we did not find. If there are answers to the cause of the Schism, it would be held by one of the Three who knew the Hive before our fall."

Okay, it's five in the morning so I think I'll need to end it here. Did not mean to spend the whole thread giving a massive lore dump, but we should be back with a thread this Sunday where we can discuss some of the research ideas in more detail and manage the odds and ends you have been looking to get done.

I'll stick around for a bit for any questions, comments, feedback and the like, but I'm getting a bit too tired to type properly.
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>>1913279
>Canderon is a Void construct
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>>1913279
>we traded for this substance and used it to power our own devices. I have found many stars polluted with this substance in this region
Honestly didn't see that one coming.
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>>1913279
Well snap, I wasn't expecting the void to be behind the existence of Canderon. This makes me even more leery of what Theseus could turn into.

Also, we're going to have to hunt down the Union's laboratory that's developing ways of synthesizing this stuff now.
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>>1913282
Everytime you run is a good day QD. Thanks for running.
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>>1913282
Thank you for running, and the massive dump of vital info, been waiting a long time for a chance to talk to mama bug.

Now I had a question about augmentations and drones. Can we give them augs, and if so how effective are they compared to their natural equivalent? Like a strength based arm compared to a lifter arm, for example.
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>>1913286
If you're worried about Canderon somehow making Theseus vulnerable to Void influence, then you may as well be concerned considering that the entirety of the human technology base runs on Canderon.
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>>1913286
I don't think there's anything wrong with synthesizing it or using it.

>>1913282
Thanks for running, it's always a good day when you do.

>>1913288
>about augmentations and drones
>Can we give them augs
Yes.
>if so how effective are they compared to their natural equivalent
Depends on the implant, but
a) there is no "strength based arm" besides the lifter
b) the lifter arm is standard on drones (see https://pastebin.com/z4yZdEbK under the "lifter" section)
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>>1913289
It's more to do with the fact that the void apparently fought the old queens using huge, oblong, space faring silicate based intelligence's as proxies. An intelligence that was fueled by canderon and came in all shapes and sizes. Now tell me that doesn't remind you of someone.

The first thing the void must have thought when it first saw Theseus was 'how did one of my servants get loose and how do I bring it back into the fold'.

If the void can't come up with a plan to corrupt and enslave Theseus at the first chance it gets, I'll eat my hat.
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>>1913291
No anon, all our drones use organic limbs that they hatch with that cost literally a fraction of what the augs do. Strength arms cost a single nutrient on a medium drone, a pair of lifter arms cost 15N and 15M.

But I'm just curious as to what the performance gap between the two is like.
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>>1913291
Oh, and I'm totally cool with humans being able to synthesize canderon. I just want to be able to do the same for ourselves. That would be preferable to doing the equivalent of scouring the void's old junkyards for the stuff.
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Lore dump fuck yeahhhhhhhhh
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>>1913292
Thats pretty... reaching, anon. Taking it mostly on the apparent shape of their ships and the fact that the Void used to used lots of robots.

It could try but as i'm pretty sure that Theseus is a purely human construct it probably wouldnt even know how to start, hell you could ask Elizabeth, she made him after all.
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>>1913298
Yeah man, the point is if the Void is corrupting organics left and right, think about what it would do to the Unity if it could. The void needs servants in physical space to infiltrate it and strike at us, and here is a technologically advanced AI that is even uses the same forms it's old ones did.

And to top it off, it's an AI that is exceptionally close to the last surviving queen and has earned her total trust. If the void wants to send a third party to hit us when we don't expect, Theseus is literally the ideal agent for that. It would be like the OQ all over again.
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This was a good thread.
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>>1913279
>and their abominable carbon-silicon mining machines have somehow survived their retreat
Wonder what Moms meant by this.
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>>1913313

The Cananites??
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>>1913313
>>1913314
Canians*

but that would be my bet
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>>1913314
No, they're plasma aren't they? I think you mean the rock eating things that were on nowhere.
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>>1913317
We don't quite know what the Canians are made of. Guesses are plasma, however if the machines are mining machines and the Void traded in Canderon, it only makes sense that the Canians are these.
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>>1913316
>>1913317
Wait, I think I know. What about those microbes that converted metals to nutrients or vice versa? They were mentioned in the very early on in this very thread, we already know the queens were interested in them.

>>1913318
Canian biology is explained in brief on the wiki page, and QD has said a few things about them on his ask page. If I recall correctly they are composed of highly energized chains of proteins or some such.

You know, their homestar is super rich in canderon as well. You don't think....nah, there isn't any way they could be linked to the void, right?
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>>1913318
>>1913319
My guess is the Canians are abandoned mining drills that developed sentience in the time since their Void masters ditched them
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Guys.

We literally just got research that outright states that we can make matter using our mind and constructing physical lasting shit out of tachyons by thinking hard enough.

Whose the say the Void didn't do the same thing, but created life to mine their bullshit?
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You know, seeing all this arguement about giving/trading theseus nanotech or asking about it isn't going anywhere if we don't act or vote on it. Just sayin' since it constantly gets brought up in the last few threads and won't stop, and it's getting a bit annoying. It's gonna be like that pretorian clone chimera arguement thing at this rate.
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>>1913282
QD it says here that the information on the Psionic cannon is impossible to understand due to us not knowing any of the referenced material.
>>1912524
>The vast complexity of this device alludes you. At your order, the thinkers have pried into the data, but in their shame they report it is incomprehensible, the references to lost technology and unknown physical laws make even the most rudimentary of instructions entirely useless. You will need to research this device with your existing information sources.
Could have a chance at understanding it if we figure out the thing referenced in it?
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>>1913351
I'm up for giving Blink Drive for Space Fold, but I understand if others disagree. It would need to be discussed.

Otherwise, I'd trade Shield Domes and Blasters. I'm sure others won't want to give them any weaponry, but I figures since Scavengers have it as their standard weaponry and it Theseus could obtain samples on his own at some point, might as well have them obtain the tech on our terms and get something out of it.
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>>1913386
I'm ok with trading anything that isn't core hive technology.
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>>1913351
I'm personally down to trade nanotech with the Unity, Theseus would cream himself at the implications of that and the humans have been developing it anyway.

I just don't want to trade shit that literally opens up the path to godhood with him, at least not without some MAJOR guarantees on his part.
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>>1913282
Thanks for the great run QD!
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>>1913397
Okay.
We'll wait until we understand Flicker Drives or Valen Gates before doing an FTL trade then.
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>tfw you will never be able to show your mom that you made an advancement in the very core of technological advancement for your species
Seriously if the memory is correct we managed to improve upon the Thinker that the first queen had.
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>>1913351
You know what? I've got a list of possible tech we could trade with the Unity, I'll post it here. If anyone thinks of anything else we could trade with them lemme know.

>Stuff Theseus has that we want:
Quantum scrambling warheads
E-limpets
Advanced cryogenics
Space-Fold Drive

>Stuff we have that Theseus would want
Nanomachines, son
Shield domes
Blasters
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Shoud've asked the Echo about the design of the Tartarus reactor anyway.

>>1913313
Well Tenebrus and Coral both have silicon based life we've yet to fully research, so...
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>>1913428
But we don't have to trade trade FTL for something that has no real value to us.
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>>1913451
Those crystal spires on P2 may also be silicon life since, unless we check, we won't be able to tell the difference between silicon life and a natural rock/crystal formation.
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>>1913467
FTL methods are inherently valuable, if not for the possible research methods they unlock than anything else.
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>>1913479
Space fold is the least valuable of them all. Flicker FTL can be used with cloaking and Gate FTL allows for a greater defense but Space Fold offers nothing we don't already have.even the Ripper FTL outclasses it due to being instantaneous.
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>>1913505
It might boost our understanding of additional dimensions. Really anything that allows matter to travel FTL is a big lead for other interesting tech.
I'm also quite interested in acquiring and researching Canderon more throughly now that we know what created it.
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Wow. Massive amount to process here. I can't comment now with any semblance of intelligence, but after reviewing will post some thoughts/analysis later tonight.
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So what shall the Royal Seer scry on for us next.

There is a lot to spy on out there, a lot of secrets.
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>>1913653
Mostly just information about OQ. Not much else that warrant the seers level of power.
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>>1913653
Could spook the Valens. If we wanted.
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>>1913663
Unfortunately the OQ probably has the scrying defenses from the old Hives around her throne world. Given how new our royal seer (Steiner) is to the whole omniscience thing I don't think we should send him against prepared opposition until he has more experience. I'd much rather have him do simple tasks while he learns the full measure of his powers such as spying on Killinger/the council.
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>>1913775
I meant more like looking at known/suspected systems for fleet composition without needing to slowboat or risk detection during the initial flash.
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>>1913783
That's fine, as long as we aren't risking Steiner looking at the throne world.
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>>1913711
With psionic broadcast research our spook potential with lesser races would be limitless.
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>>1913812
Really with telekinesis we should be able to make sound and thus speak by vibrating air.
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>>1913279
>>1913282
So it looks like hives won the war against the Void then drove selves to extinction with infighting. And our mother was sent with her sisters to finish the not-finished enemy and they almost went extinct as a result. Makes our species look like grand retards, galaxy-dominating kind of. Might we can learn to not repeat some of their mistakes, like infighting and killing ourselves against the Void.
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>>1913775
The data the Commonwealth has on the Psionic Cannon is an even better target for scrying, as is Valen hypergate data.
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>>1913825
That and direct psionic broadcast into their minds. Looks like a second coming of a Christ btw.
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>>1899725
We should get rid of being watched by the Void now I suppose, when obsidian queen was explicitly said to be actively hostile. The Void itself is the other matter for me, I'd make humans/valen/ceph destroy Ceph homeworld and that be a stop of the affair until we get much more info, probably from reanimating slumbering Cluster and making it our bitch, with all its memories and such.
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>>1913834
We'll need to set down concrete rules for Hive inheritance. Have it be decided who gets the world or worlds before a Queen dies.
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>>1913854
On one hand it's not exactly time sensitive but on the other hand if we had guidelines figured out we could act more decisively. Of course anything decided on now would be long forgotten by the time it becomes relevant.
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>>1913854
Concrete rules are what fucked the old Empire during wartime. The rules were too rigid and didn't take into account the massive number of deaths their would be.
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>>1913854
>>1913872
>>1913866
My idea for rules(which as you said will not become relevant anytime soon) would be that Queens who have a claim to the worlds of the dead Queen(immediate family,neighbors) can each battle each other for them,however, they can only use a certain amount of nutrients and metals to make there drones,they only have so many claims,with children able to use their claims to compete for more worlds,and the neighbors competing for fewer, and the ones competing for the specific world will battle on it, with the Queen with the last living units(kamikaze doesn't count) getting the world. This helps demonstrate which queens make the stronger units and are more intelligent and imaginative in their designs and minimizes lose of resources. If their is a crisis(war with the entire race/super plague), the worlds are temporarily given to the dead Queens mother(if shes dead,then her mother and so on and so on) until the crisis is over.

After a day or two we should "introduce" Seiner to Elizabeth. Shes gonna find out sooner or later. In fact, i'd like it if all of our Human children could meet up for a general update(Lee can telecom).
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>>1913940
definitely throwing in support for the human meetup.
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Could we make a drone that can copy the minds of humans and add them to an archive of sorts? We could made backups of Lee and any important or useful humans we deem necessary.
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>>1914095
>Lee
>important
Lee was never actually important.
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>>1914103
Considering how he is the best thing we have for showing the "human" side of the hive,he is pretty useful for interspecies relations. He is also the first sapient creature we have ever met, so I can say that we have grown fond of him
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Seconding the human meeting, I'd also like to build a conference room or something for the SQ effigy, a Unity droid and space for our human guests. It'd be nice to see the human characters interact with the hive mind characters.
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>>1913940
>i'd like it if all of our Human children could meet up for a general update
Ryan "I don't know how I got here" Lee
Lyle "Absolute Madman" Rogers
Elizabeth "Princess of Blades" Vaughn
"Punished" Adam Seiner

Does Decker and that other guy count here? I forget if we abducted him completely or if we sent him back to the Union.
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>>1913279
>"The Schism began because the War ended."
This line was confusing to me so I went and reread the thread until it started to make sense. For the sake of clarity I created a timeline below. Let me know if you guys think this history is correct or if it’s missing something.

First, there was a great war between the Hive and psionic silicate creatures that used Canderon to power their devices. During this period of the conflict the Cluster was still psionically active (as can be seen by Heretic’s memories of the Cluster still using psionics here: >>1901258 ), and the Cluster scavenged off both sides.

After an eternity of struggle and heavy losses on all sides the silicate creatures were forced to abandon territory (such as the sector we’re in now), and were eventually driven to their homeworld. The silicates were defeated physically, but in that moment of victory they became the Void. It’s at this point, with the death of the Silicates and the birth of the Void, that the war transforms into the Schism. Whatever event caused the Schism was so terrible it caused the Cluster to blind itself and crippled many of the Queens.

The Hive Empire, already reeling after the loss of so many queens over the long history of the conflict was dealt a mortal blow by the creation of the Void and the loss of even more senior queens to Void scrying. Once the infighting became overwhelming the Matriarch declared the War lost. This led to the launching of the ark as a final attempt to sever the Void’s anchor and ensure the survival of the species even as the Hives collapsed from within.

Does that sound right to everyone?
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>>1914323
>Does Decker and that other guy count here? I forget if we abducted him completely or if we sent him back to the Union.
I looked it up and he's on assignment in Mentan, and Lyle And Friends are dropping off the Cortez crew on Decker's Claim.

>>1914328
That sounds right, although as a minor point of correction the Hives used Canderon as well in the Golden Age which would be before the war.

And for completion's sake:

After the Ark landed on Raligha, the new queens continued their war against the Void by fighting the Skyl. The Black Queen decided on a plan to free the Skyl, a plan the White Queen found extremely disagreeable. The Black Queen's plans worked, the Skyl were freed, and the White Queen withdrew and began work on engineering a Blind version of Humanity.

The Black Queen's acquisition of Void Shards eventually consumed her mind, drove her mad, and caused her to destroy most of the living new queens in a single backstab. The Skyl were punished and made extinct. The subsequent war between the Black Queen and the remnants of the other hives continued for some time.

Humanity finished construction of the Psionic Cannon, and the White Queen took this knowledge and constructed the weapon herself. However, the White Queen knew that her efforts would only stall the advance of the Void, and she birthed a new queen and sent her far away. In a final stand against the Black Queen, the White Queen fired the Psionic Cannon, drew the attention of the Void itself, and was destroyed.
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>>1914103
Read it again, you narcoleptic toe fungus. I never said Lee was important
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>>1914323
You actually forgot
>Jackob "Where's my supersuit" Eisner
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>>1914436
Speaking of which, Jackob still has to hand over the Aegis prototype for research. He can just have a better Hive version once we're done.
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We have a total of eight humans children and I just think they should meet each other. Also I desperately want to see how they interact. As soon as Seiner shows up, Lee and Elizabeth are going to react...loudly. Lyle is just going to be laughing when he figures out whats going on. Decker and Anderson are going to realize just how wonderful their current partners are. It will be beautiful.
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>>1914508
Don't we have 9 "human" children?

Anderson
Decker
Devon
Dillon
Elizabeth
Jackob
Lee
Lyle
Steiner
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>>1914592
I guess technically Dillon isn't adopted yet, but he still sort of counts. He'll definitely eventually be a part of the happy family.
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>>1914592
Probably more if you count the myriad clones and chimeras.

Sprekles?
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Technically speaking, augmentations are basically drone components altered to fit the biology of non-hive species, which requires them to be much less efficient than the drone itself, which is designed to be a biological machine functioning at the pinnacle of efficiency.

Lifer arms, for instance, have similar performance to a heavy warrior, as the heavy carapace includes additional muscle tissue so as to lift its own increased weight. The drone arms, however, are specialized for either combat or non-combat functions, while the human arm, and the augmentation itself, are both designed for a multi-role function, meaning that it must fill the function of both strength and and dexterity arms at the same time.

A drone's arms would look thinner than a human arm, despite being far stronger, largely due to the fact that it only holds muscles that it needs. A worker would be incapable of striking with its arms because it just doesn't have any muscle tissue in the right spot to allow it to hit with any force, but it could easilly pick up several times its body weight with no hassle. Warriors on the other hand have all of their muscle mass in prime striking positions, but actually would not be able to carry anything very heavy because their claws lack the ability to maintain a proper grip and their arms just can't exert force in that direction very well.

It's a similar thing with mandibles. Your workers actually have a heavier bite than your warriors, but it's like a pneumatic press, it can't clamp shut quick enough to be used in combat, and just crushes rocks in its bite, so it can't puncture armor, while a warrior's bite is fast enough and specialized enough to slice through armor without needing the brute force of a worker.

In short, your cybernetics are less power efficient and multi-role versions of drone adaptations. Since your cybernetics are in effect genetically engineered augmentations, one could argue that your drones are entirely made of this technology already.
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>>1912624
>Might be a contingency
That's pretty flimsy. Also what about the BURNING RAGE FOR ALL LIFE that she gives off in her thoughts? And her unprovoked attack on Path?

That aside, we've technically not taken any hostile actions towards the void. Only the OQ and then general research.
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So, a curious thing. They said the psionic shroud would conceal this world from her master's eyes.

But Seiner projected himself to the throne room on that world just fine.

Was he 'invited' unwittingly by speaking to him, or is he generally able to bypass it regardless.

And of course, when he spoke, we could hear him in the throne room itself. We need to test that further. Make him scry on our own drones, our own advanced relays, and our own throne room, and test under what conditions we can actually sense his presence, if any.

So far we know he's detected if he says something, and if he tries to touch someone. We need to be sure those are the only ways he can be sensed.
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>>1914450
>Jackob still has to hand over the Aegis prototype

Yes we should definitely demand Jackob hand over something he's never seen, on another planet he isn't on, currently in the custody of agents he has never met.
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>>1913663
Lest we forget.

The Unicyclist Church and Pastor Richardson's almost unnatural popularity.

We can scry on them.
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>>1914889
It would be nice to know if the Silent Rooms are actually void proof.
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>>1914931
Encasing Seiner in a silence chamber seemed to stop his out of control projecting immediately, so it seems like he can't penetrate psionic insulation.
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>>1914959
>seems like he can't penetrate psionic insulation.
So it would seem, but perhaps it is a protection that can be circumvented given enough time and effort?

We want him to perform some kind of penetration testing.
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I do wonder, if we can turn thought into function, could we create the void equivilent of a data bomb? A self replocating thought that just drowns out those in the vicinity?
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>>1914998
Thought isn't literal. Everything we do is manipulation of tachyons to affect the real world.
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>>1914328
That doesn't sound quite right. It feels like we're missing something.

The Queens won the war, this is outright stated.

If the Schism began because the War ended, and the Silicates birthed the Void which caused the Schism then it doesn't quite click together right.

There's also the bit where the Queens' power is what caused them to be weak and susceptible to infighting. There's something amiss here.
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>>1915004
I mean on the tachyon plane, where our foe is going to be, not in actuallity.
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>>1914899
One of the clones was named Jackob.
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>>1915064
Really the handiest part about our clones is that we can "update" them archetype with new experience every time their archetype successfully returns to a medical pod. It's like EXP that carries over saves!
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>>1915089
Our clones get the glorious benefit of New Game+
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>>1915064
You just made that up.
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>>1915064
>>1915318
Yeah fairly certain we didn't name them after one of our already existing agents.

They were named after the Apostles if I remember correctly (been a while since I read the thread though so I could be wrong on that naming convention)
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>>1915064
The clones are named after the 12 apostles. None of them are named Jackob
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>>1914998
You know you might be on to something here. The cluster mentioned how thoughts were used as weapons during the war, and how the old queens won through sheer numbers of minds.

The trick would be creating thoughts or even minds complex and advanced enough to hurt the void. We saw in our first interaction with the cluster what happens when a powerful mind fights a bunch of smaller ones.
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If psionic conduction allows manipulating electrical pulses, and if Seiner is ever able to use something like it, he could probably read 0s and 1s off a computer server with the right amount of finesse.

Odds are it's theoretically possible, since the whole impetus of the Skyl inventing read-once memory was the enemy doing something like that to non data cube storage.
>>>/tg/35329181
> once retrieved it cannot be accessed again, destroying whatever data it held upon retrieval. According to the data within, this was in response to their enemy’s incredibly effective methods of intelligence gathering.

Also wonder whether it's possible to scry for dead void shards drifting in space, or if they're intrinsically invisible to the process.

We never bothered looking for the dead shards that were the product of the WQ's last stand at Reprieve, and since WQ said they had tried making psionic shrouds before that eventually failed, there must be many more out there already.

We could also have him search for the bodies of the Yellow Queen, the Gray Queen, the Shaper, the Nomad, the Spotted Queen, the Builder, and the White Queen. We tried to find WQ's body but failed a conventional search badly. And we should really make sure those other queens and all of their offspring are really dead...
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>>1914592
There's also Gil and those two poor sods who were sent to check the plumbing near our concealed hive on Gemini, but I don't know if they really count if they're still piss terrified of us.

>>1915912
Who were you replying to? Not sure what you're actually talking about.
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>>1915932
They dont count unless they accepted the parasite,either before implantation or via agreement with us(The Queen).
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>>1914998
>>1915912
I just realized, thoughts don't necessarily have to come from a living being to be effective at this, we could also theoretically use the recorded thoughts and minds of long dead entities to function here.

>Hey Mom, how would like a second chance to kill the gods?
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>>1911498
In the vein of being the cheekiest Queen of all time we should send Killinger a message. Something simple like: "Sorry about the ghost, they're usually much more quiet." and then just sit back and watch the reaction.
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>>1916267
Any day we troll King Cunt is a day well spent.
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>>1913940
>Shes gonna find out sooner or later
She already knows. She was there the entire time, watching it all with us.
See: >>1912922
>Your mother's thoughts echo through your mind as you try to make sense of the deluge of data. Elizabeth's mind can be felt nearby, her thoughts shrouded beneath the vast structure of the collective minds of two Queens. The White Queen does not notice, either by choice, or because the shadow of her mind was not built to respond to humans beyond the initial contact.
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>>1911660
I'm gonna be honest, I'm kinda saddened the REAL Seiner never got to see this. Just a vat grown clone.
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Oh hey, now instead of infiltrating the PDF and a few hops from that to the Parliamentary secret service, we can just scry on who Killinger's bodyguards are when they're off-duty and have their faces and spines exposed at home. Or all of Parliament really. Sounds like the whole system needs some adopting.

>>1916443
That's a philosophical distinction. What is 'real' anyway.
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>>1913282
>this whole relationship between the white and obsidian queen
This somehow sounds familiar.
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>>1916267
>>1916305
I can get behind this plan.
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>>1915014
Maybe what the Queens did to win the war was to focus their minds so they could banish the silicates. But the silicates tried to defend themselfs but were overhelmed by the hives countless minds. So this even created a schism in reality. Thus turning the silicates into the void.
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>>1916817
Well there's also the reference to "the Anchor", which I feel is critical (and almost certainly the black hole we saw too, or the planet circling it). When was it created and why? What's it's relation to the Silicates and the Void?
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>>1916953
The impression I got is that Silicates uploaded their minds into computer mainframes made out of tachyons and put them into Void, making themselves infinitely self-sustaining (they'll use psionics to harvest tachyons and build more of themselves) and able to monitor entirety of real-space. However, it also locked them here, since tachyon equipment is unstable outside of Void.

Presumably, "Anchor" is a some sort of gateway/stabilizer that allows their real forms (Silver blobs, likely tachyon nanite swarms) to act in the real space.
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>>1916548
Yes, Seiner really is a massive boon to us. However, in an abundance of caution we should move slowly with him. We don't want his mind to get lost in the ether and to lose this great tool just because he's inexperienced.
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>>1916977
That's reaching a bit. We still don't know what the rules are exactly for how they can interact with real space. You'd think that if they could see the entirety of real-space then we'd have gotten a visit on Leeland from a certain silver blob by now.

>>1917156
There's a chance that Elizabeth will develop similar abilities, if we unlock Void Projection and can train her.
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>>1917281
I'm not so sure it is. Remember that the crystal that carries the echo of WQ was according to seiner "A computer, of a sort, but it uses spacetime for circuits." It could very well be that the void gods literally imprinted their mind on extradimensional space-time.
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>>1917302
As to why they haven't seen us the answer is probably unknown unknowns. Just because they can see everywhere doesn't mean they're capable of looking at everywhere at the same time.
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>>1917302
I agree I don't think that Elizabeth can learn to do what Seiner does. In fact, her augmentation is probably as close to the opposite of Seiner's augmentation as is possible. See >>1911947
>I saw images, memories, someone called the Gardener tried to create a device to uplift a lesser species. The White Queen went the other direction. It's like the inscription on the doorway said, if you bring a light in the dark, you can be seen just as well as see, but if you adapt yourself to see in the darkness, nobody else can see you, but you can see everyone else holding their lights just fine."

So since Elizabeth has the Gardener adaptation she is effectively a light (psi-relay) in the darkness that allows her to see and use tachyons to manipulate things. Seiner's WQ adaptation goes in the other direction and allows him to see in the dark. These adaptations are probably not cross-compatible.
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>>1917322
I'm sorry I should have been more clear on my quoting. I was replying to the idea about what the void gods are on a technical level.
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>>1917322
so what you're saying is that we have to play matchmaker with Lizzy and Seiner, and give Theseus the stable family dynamic he deserves?
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>>1917732
You know we could just mix their two genetics and clone millions of imperfect clones of that Liz/Seiner hybrid. Reabsorb the versions that seem to be regressing, non-viable or showing no advancement and then update the original template based on the received beneficial mutations.
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>>1917281
>There's a chance that Elizabeth
will be instantly seen by the void if she even tries it because her uplifted brain is lit up like a Christmas tree, anon. Come the fuck on. Real blind humans only.
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>>1917942
>Implying we know how her augmentations really work and their capabilities
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>>1918122
Christ. She can use tachyonic psionics. That's how the Void track shit. It's not rocket science.
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>>1918154
And Seiner can speak to us via tachyons inside our throne room even though he was off in space somewhere, but clearly you know exactly how this shit works so you can state these things with certainty.
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>>1918172
Did you miss the whole allegory about light, blindness, and seeing in the dark that explains why the humans can poke into tachyonic shit and not be seen by the Void?

And did you miss that none of that happened to Elizabeth, who is basically a hybrid and uses our form of telepathy?

So yes, I can state quite firmly that putting Elizabeth into any sort of situation where she'd be exposed to the Void would be a VERY BAD THING, without knowing exactly what bad thing will happen.

I'm no electrical engineer, but I know not to stick my finger in a light socket.
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>>1918172
This is pretty hard to figure out.
I'm not sure if the modifications made to Elizabeth both by our own methods as well as the Gardeners device are enough to negate the natural resistance humans have. Really I'm pretty opposed to even trying to teach her or letting Seiner look at the void any more than absolutely necessary. After all we know that the human resistance can be circumvented by the void to a point.
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>>1918245
Exactly the point. We don't know enough to risk it, and the risks far outweigh the potential gains until we understand this a bit better.
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>>1918245
Jesus, you had to remember me of those poor assholes whose brains got turned to crystal on Nowhere.
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>>1918245
Incorrect. Human psionic resistance needs to be turned on in order for humans to resist the Void which is explicitly stated to be the opposite of "uplifting" human.
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>>1918224
I think Elizabeth actually has some sort of resistance to the Void at least compared to a Queen. For example, by physically being close to our drones at Nowhere she was able to give them orders where a queen would have been unable to do so.

However, I absolutely agree about the analogy between light and darkness and that it would be an incredibly stupid decision to risk Elizabeth by giving her Void sight. Seiner has the augment that lets him "see in the dark" and Elizabeth has the augment that makes her a lighthouse (and hence able to combat the darkness of the void by continuing to relay communications to our drones, etc.) Giving Elizabeth the ability to see in the dark while still being a lighthouse is a terrible idea. Not only would her observations be painfully obvious to the void, but combining something that can see in the dark with something that blasts out light could easily lead to her becoming "blinded" by her own hypersensitivity or worse.
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My dudes, Void Projection is literally what you're talking about. The description for Void Projection outright states that a Queen can use this ability too but they will be seen. I'm going to generalize that this applies to any Queen and also any other similar psionic being. Once they know how, they can "peer through the BUT it will be obvious that said psionic being is doing so, and they will easily be detected. If Elizabeth uses Void Projection, she will almost certainly be seen, because she's a psionic being, not a baseline human anymore. Punished Seiner is the prototype for a human that can use Void Projection without being seen.
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>>1919068
100% agree. Seiner is the only one who can use Void projection with even a modicum of safety. If we try with anyone else (unless they're also a human who used the same crystal Seiner did) then there is a major risk of permanent Void Corruption
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>>1918224 #
>I think Elizabeth actually has some sort of resistance to the Void at least compared to a Queen. For example, by physically being close to our drones at Nowhere she was able to give them orders where a queen would have been unable to do so.
Where the fuck are you getting these assumptions from? Elizabeth has no more psionic resistance than a Queen and the any drone with a medium relay or implanted white crystal would have overcome the psionic jamming.
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>>1919639
I'm not sure you're replying to the right post. For what it's worth, I agree with your general sentiment.
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>>1919639
Per QD on ask.fm

>Because Elizabeth's implant and genetic alterations were caused by prototype technology developed jointly by the Gardener and the Skyl, it is unclear exactly how advanced her own relay is, but her abilities will at least be on par with yours, and is potentially more advanced in nature.

And during the Nowhere disaster Elizabeth said:
>"I think I can already confirm one theory of mine." She says. "The implants that give me the same abilities as a relay also seem to be fortified, at least partially, against psionic disruption."
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>>1919747
White crystals do that anon or do you not remember that.?
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>>1919747
Hmm looks like the queen will have to pupate once we figure that one out.
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>>1919873
For fucks sakes. What part of "White Crystal implants" are what cause that mysterious resistance do you not understand?
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>>1919853
>>1919889

White Crystals do provide some protection, but specifically QD mentioned how advanced and "fortified" Elizabeth's relay was well after we had already deployed white crystal tech. This suggests that Elizabeth's relay could be even more advanced than the white-crystal relays we already have.
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>>1919889
And once we understand it well enough I want to incorporate it to the most imporant part the hive.
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>>1919747
Queens are hella vulnerable to void corruption tho. Their ability to perceive the mind of the void directly is exactly what makes them so weak against it.

So we should be distinguishing between 'psionic disruption' and 'void corruption' here. The former can probably be used for general term to refer to any sort of tacyonic messing with a life forms central nervous system, like psionic empathy and the other stuff we're developing. Void corruption on the other hand can only be caused by personally perceiving the enemy, or somehow becoming aware of its existence.
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>>1919905
More assumptions. "Potentially" means "could be" not is.
And see
>>1919908
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>>1919907
We already can and already fully researched it for all it has to offer.
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>>1919908
Well, we know Elizabeth didn't get corrupted from being at ground zero during the Void incursion while we did. If the Void had started watching her she probably would have mentioned it. The fact that it is not watching her suggests she is at least not as vulnerable to the Void as we are.

However, I completely agree that Elizabeth is NOT immune to the Void in any capacity and would be at extreme risk in any exposure scenario. We shouldn't be putting her in any kind of situation where we are counting on suspected but not confirmed abilities to save her.
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>>1919944
Huh you're right. Did we ever place one in our chambers for the queen to use?
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>>1919976
We didn't get corrupted you dumbass. Stop spout discredited bullshit.
>>1920020
Not to my knowledge.
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>>1920097
I think he was referring to how the Void is watching us now and isn't watching Elizabeth. We aren't actually corrupted, but we have taken the first step in that direction...

Also, we are still discovering new psionic abilities with our own tech and relays all the time. Why are you so opposed to the possibility that Elizabeth might discover a new ability in her prototype relay that we don't know about yet? QD pretty much confirmed it has abilities neither of us fully understand yet.
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>>1920128
Given that Elizabeth is fully joined to the hive, her mind is presumably hard wired to our own. We can assume that the void is watching everything we touch, including Elizabeth. She just doesn't have the proper brain configuration to fully see it at least not yet
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>>1920128
Link where he said it. I'll check whether this is bullshit or not but you're going to try to push something where he said "potentially", when we've critted the initial research and reversed engineered it, then I doubt we're going to get anything else out of it and I doubt it'll actually draw enough attention to actually get a vote when I've been pushing for researching the crystals on P2 for a long time.
In all I'm not against it, I outright doubt it's there considering how much we've researched it and I it'll get support in the first place.
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>>1920205
The crystals on p2 are most likely natural though. Wouldn't be against sending a ship there to do a cursory scan but I'm not exactly expecting much from it.
There's a lot of shit that we haven't done that we should do like spore podding planets and sending scout pods to way more systems
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>>1920259
>most likely natural
With what proof? Silicon life was suppose to existed all throughout this sector yet we know only two planets with such creatures and we wouldn't be able to spot the difference between a natural rock formation and silicon life. What could convinces you that that they couldn't silicon life?
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>>1920358
*we wouldn't be able to spot the difference between a natural rock formation and silicon life without going down to the surface to check
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>>1920358
If I had proof I'd state it's natural. I said most likely because as you said only two other planets we've seen have had it.
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We NEED to go back to Nowhere and study that Silicate life.

Any knowledge we can gain about this is going to be a massive benefit.
Especially as we should be able to do a lot of live study on these (hopefully) relatively defenceless creatures.
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>>1920358
Besides when it comes to silicon based life we should go back to Nowhere and get living samples from there first. ah >>1920385 beat me to it.
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>>1920385
>>1920389
Except we already captured and studied samples of them in the aftermath of the Nowhere Incident.

We couldn't gain anything useful from them, silicate life was too difficult to decipher for use
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>>1920467
Hand it over to Theseus yet?
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>>1920467

We got a dead one and couldn't understand it. QD said that to further understand, we'd need a living sample.

We should send either Lyle & co or a group of drones to capture some of these silicon based lifeforms.
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>>1920467


>Lithovore dissection
Astoundingly, these beasts seem to come in a number of shapes and sizes, living and consuming just as normal carbon based life, only with silicon as a base. Frustratingly, your thinkers have hit a wall unlike any previous research attempt. All methods of genetic decryption and analysis have met with failure, and all attempts to deconstruct the component materials into a properly researchable pseudo-protein compound has also met with failure. The closest thing to a genetic structure, something more similar to a series of interconnected chemical laden viruses and bacteria, offer no real hints to their internal code commanding them. Structurally, the chemical compounds react in a manner that results in a similar behavior as genetic code, but through a more complex process of relaying chemical compounds from one substance to another. A strain of virus-like cells transfer substances back and forth between a more complex chain of silicon bacterium which seems to perform cell division on behalf of the smaller cells. The process is convoluted and confusing, and you are still unsure of the reasoning behind their actions on a cellular level, or even if there is any. As it is, the dead beasts offer little clues, and their genetics, if you can call it that, is glaringly incompatible to your own.
If you are to study these beasts further, you fear you will need a live subject.
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>>1920491
>>1920493
Gotcha. Been a while since that research finished
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>>1920368
Well QD did say checking them is a free action but between the fact these are mile long strands of crystal sprouting straight up somehow not collapsing count me doubtful they're natural.
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>>1920503
no problem man. I'm half tempted to just make up a google doc with all the finished tech we have so I don't have to archive dive every time.
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>>1920511
I wonder if the planets severe spin speed has anything to do with their creation if they turn out not being a Void creation or silicate lifeform
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>>1920503
I only remembered as I've just binged the quest and thus only read that one a few days ago...
Can't expect people to remember everything.
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>>1920511
No harm in checking them next thread. Time permitting.
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>>1920545
Free action. All it would take is a single post and it added to research.
>>1920528
Well I'd say a combination of shape and spin but the height is too great for me to believe it's natural.
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>>1920511
QD never stated their relative size, you just made up that mile long stuff. Given the geological instability I doubt they get very big at all.
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>>1899745
>before I start adding up some of your more recent orders, I'd like to see if we can go over your general industrial complex, so to speak, and give you a chance to look over and mess with your build queues. We seem to keep adding more ships, but I haven't given you much of a chance to improve your planets to get an income to match, and I want to make sure we do that now that I have the planetary construction set up.
Hm, this is a real problem we've been avoiding. With our current number of ships we are very nearly at our limit of daily biomass upkeep costs for our expanding empire. If we build many more ships or infrastructure, we will wind up sliding into a nutrient deficit.

We've nearly reached the hard limit of how many ships we can sustain with the biomass we produce, and now we just found out that the OQs fleets are indeed far bigger than ours. We're going to have to expand again if we are ever hope to match her military strength.
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>>1920518
A kind anon made one some time ago, but it's a bit behind now.

https://pastebin.com/sJ1jdaiL

At any rate, tomorrow we should be wrapping up Path, and if there isn't time for your planet survey I'll just have it happen off screen and give you a survey report in the OP of the next thread.

>>1920879
And this too. It's become a bit of an elephant in the room and I blame my slowing pace for it, but either way we will likely need to dedicate some time tomorrow for that. I've essentially been cooking your books regarding nutrients due to the lack of options for income, and I've let it become a bit of a mess.

So long as that crunch can get done, I plan on picking up the pace and we will move on to the next day without a .3 thread.
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>>1920894

Might be an idea to throw it into a crunch only thread midweek?
That way it stays away from the dedicated fluff times.

Hopefully wouldn't take up to much of your time either, you could drop the thread midweek, then catch the responses slowly
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>>1920894
>mfw QD uses both my crappy photoshop and the pastebin I sloppily stiched together
Aw shucks QD, you really do save all the silly stuff we slap together. I actually continued that page a bit up until thread 52, but I don't have an account with pastebin so I just make a new page every time I updated it. If anons are interested I can finish it off when I get a chance.

https://pastebin.com/Ed8aTShA

And you don't have to cook the books to allow us to keep spamming ships dude. Hard limits of some kind are important in quests like this, or we'd probably go full munchkin and just try to build all the ships. Having a limit to how much we can build simply forces us to find ways to expand those limits when we find them, which is a fun and rewarding part of this quest.

Which shouldn't be at all difficult now that we have claimed all of the expanse. I can't tell you how hyped I am for spreading and establishing our hive through those worlds.
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Holy shit there was zero technologies unlocked in thread 61
We're slipping!
Anyways this possibly has up to date research in the same style as >>1920935

https://pastebin.com/F9rnvBi1
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>>1920935
+1 to this.

We have a lot of opportunity to find places to make food, or get to work on building up nutrient processing plants around gas giants etc, we just haven't done it yet. No need to cook the books, we just need to get off our asses and make sure we're pulling in enough nutrients
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>>1921002
Really with the tech we have we can relatively easily transform previously barren worlds into gardens.
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>>1921003
True, another option we can pursue.

Although terraforming does take time.
It might be prudent to consider a suggestion QD has made in the past. Create areas that we do not build up on worlds where we wish to keep the local ecosystem. Then max out development, such that we can bring in more nutrients and metals from each world we control.
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>>1921003
We technically can, the problem with terraforming is the astonishingly high cost. Unlike the other factions we speedrun our terraforming jobs which drives the price tag way up, and that's going to be a bit of a problem if we're doing this for the very purpose of increasing our nutrient income.

So given the extraordinary adaptability of the hive and an ideal candidate for a farm world would be one that already has a lush ecosystem rich in life. The hive can then create an entirely new collection of crops to farm for maximum producivity in that particular environment (like how we settled Raligha, finding new sources of biomass instead of importing Leeland electrosynthetic life forms).

Given the short list of worlds that match this description in Expanse space, there's only one we could settle on without spending 2 weeks and millions upon millions of nutrients developing. That's Darwin, the world Bedrock is currently orbiting around. Once the hive arrives on that planet it could bring it up to 100 development in days.
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>1050 posts
sheeeiiiiiiiit
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>>1921034
It's a high upfront cost but long term will pay off.
Of course it's always a better idea to exhaust easier sources of food like already extant biosphere's then atmosphere then magnetophere and finally the actually barren planets.
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>>1920760
Actually in the original post their were mentioned to be at least a mile tall. Seriously. The strand part wasn't mention though.
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>>1921034
>astonishingly high cost.
Actually it's astonishly cheap, This is a multi trillion credit industry taking months at least for most and we can do it for only millions in nutrients and metals in only 14 days. To put it into perspective a trillion looks like this 1,000,000,000,000 and a million looks like this 1,000,000 and keep in mind a single credit can buy a lot.
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>>1921300
Post a link to prove it then, because that sounds like you just got the description P2 mixed up with the first time we hooked up a generator to a void shard and caused it to turn into a skyscraper for a second. And given your track record of muddling the lore up constantly that's what I'll have to assume until proven otherwise.
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>>1921002
>>1921003
>>1921026
An important thing to remember is that we'd starve to death within a week with all those ships people wanted build and even sooner if we terraform all those planets.
>>1921315
>You move your pod, shifting its orbit to the spinning oval. Its rotation is greater than escape velocity when at high altitude, forcing your pod to maneuver over the pole to get a proper view. Near the pole itself is a small, sharp hill, where the day only lasts less than six minutes. Farther south are large, mile high shards of crystal emanating from geysers of molten rock, cut into deltas by flowing rivers of mercury and torrential storm fronts of ash. While interesting, you spot no safe landing zone, and even if you did you would have no way of getting your pod away again.
>large, mile high shards of crystal
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33385087/
>post 33391626
I literally says they're a mile high.
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>>1921381
I'd call that a reciept, alright.
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>>1921315
Also
>track record of muddling up the lore
QD himself has done worse in this thread alone and it's hard to track down the lore stuff in the archives. It just so happened this was easy to find.
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Things we can still scry on.

- Locations of any OQ spores on human worlds
- Locations of salvaged Ceph neutrino beams
- All things to do with the Star Hound Project (research into the nature of Canderon and why it's so hard to replicate is suddenly high priority, let's find a backup database to raid next)
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>>1921045
>will pay off
You don't actually know that. It could have less payoff than the other options we have at more cost.

That depends entirely on how high the N score of a planet fresh from using the planet seeders actually is, which we've never been told, and if you grow the development score to 100.

A planet only has half of its surface exposed to the daylight for farming. Odds are that solar collectors are the far more logical income generating choice, short of taking over still virgin hydrogen gas giants to colonize with fusion farms.
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>>1899769
Wait a minute.
>Bedrock: This colony is suffering from widespread panic, dramatically lowering detection chances of hive agents, but making the results of operations and gathered data far more unpredictable.
>[Maintain Concealment]

This was voted to move to covert infiltration tier. over a year/8 days ago. >>48331176
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>>1921723
>over a year/8 days ago.

Well that explains why it was forgotten in the update...
That should probably be changed, though.
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>>1899769
And hey, there's no passive behavior or resources listed for Path. I assume it's level 2, passive observation.

And while the maintenance workers are listed for Gemini, shouldn't the constantly increasing number of Taidaren clans and matriarchs that are parasited be listed too? Beggars and Taidarens says growth is ongoing but doesn't say how much has been accomplished at this point in time.
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It looks like the only things we still *need* to accomplish today is dealing with the Cluster on Path, reading Morgan's files, and letting the Union know about the OQ's spores under Path. It should be possible to postpone everything else as non-time critical.

What else are people really hoping to accomplish in the next thread in 3 hours?
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>>1922589
Getting live samples of silicate life from Nowhere, bumping development of owned planets up and settling all worlds that don't require terraforming.
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So with the resource problem, would it be viable to develop 'sub queens' or something to be planetary governors and autonomously create infrastructure?
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>>1923276
Not necessary. It's not an in-game problem but a meta problem.
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Thread's up.




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