A large shipment of scrap metal arrives from the Divide upon your long train locomotive, bringing in a largeshipment of scrap metal. Some of these are immediately used to build your Universal Loaders and others are used in ongoing research involving subteranean tunnelers.

>>>>>Food: Average (Stable) [CAP: Average]
Passive Booze Ration: Low (higher for soldiers)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable) [CAP: Average]
>>>>>Medicine: Above Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Metal (HUGE) Fissile (Above Average)
Scrap Wood (tiny)
Special Electronics (---) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (---) [Falling] Alien Tech Scraps (low) Hexcrete Bags (Average)
Plant Material (Tiny)
Trona Minerals (Low)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 252 Humans (and companions) +55 Infants +40 Mutants/Nightkin, 2 Ghoul
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
(Mercenary) - Moderate
-Energy Firearms
(Human Plasma/Laser) - Below Average
(Alien) - Below Average
(Chinese Alien-Jurry Rigged) - Below Average
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniforms:
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
(35 Dr. Mobius Scrubs + Dr. Mobius Glasses)

>>1797408
CORRECTION.

I have also factored in the construction of the Tankitron and the Railroad itself

>>>>>Food: Average (Stable) [CAP: Average]
Passive Booze Ration: Low (higher for soldiers)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable) [CAP: Average]
>>>>>Medicine: Above Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Metal (Above Average) Fissile (Average)
Scrap Wood (tiny)
Special Electronics (---) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (---) [Falling] Alien Tech Scraps (low) Hexcrete Bags (Average)
Plant Material (Tiny)
Trona Minerals (Low)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 252 Humans (and companions) +55 Infants +40 Mutants/Nightkin, 2 Ghoul
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
(Mercenary) - Moderate
-Energy Firearms
(Human Plasma/Laser) - Below Average
(Alien) - Below Average
(Chinese Alien-Jurry Rigged) - Below Average
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniforms:
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
(35 Dr. Mobius Scrubs + Dr. Mobius Glasses)

>OUTPOSTS<
--CHINA RANCH--
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings. Digital Radio Tower. Railroad to BigMT.
>>>>> Power: Big Alien Battery
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Animals:

--TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings. Digital Radio Tower. Highway to BigMT
>>>>> Power: Big Alien Battery
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm (Small). Banana Yucata (Medium) Spice Farm (tiny). Water Pump to BigMT. Electrical Wires to BigMT
>>>>> Power: Borrowed from BIgMT.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. *Nat100* Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:
>>>>>Other: Omni-Agronator!

---THE TWIN MINES (West+South)---
>>>>>Military: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Railroads. Open Pit Quarry.
>>>>>Defenses: Mountain
>>>>>Animals:
>>>>>Other:

---Divide Forward Outpost---
>>>>>Military: (1st Robot Army)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Tiny Steel Barracks. RAILROAD
>>>>>Defenses: Raised Rocky Ground. Basic Hexcrete/Steel Walls. Sandbags. Vehicle Dug Ins.
>>>>>Animals: 1 Deathclaw
>>>>>Other: 1 Deathclaw Egg

5 entire Spy-Eye bot Squads were destroyed in the Divide from an unknown encounter. Other robots in the vicinity report a fuzzy interruption, or a green glow in the sky.

Tankitron has moved to the front by train.


---

>Forward MILITARY:
8 Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
2 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
1 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (5R) - UNDERGROUND
1 LAER MKV Hazard (5R) – UNDERGROUND
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R) - UNDERGROUND

Riddick with Bounty PA
Cain with BoS PA
The Devils Brigade
Hazel with Bounty Hunter PA
Ed-E
2 MKV Hazard-Salvager Securitron Squads (5R)
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R)
10.5 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
4 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
6 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads (10R)
15 Spy-Eye Bots Squads
1 Super Heavy Omni-Constructor
3 Universal Loader Squads
2 Heavy Hazard Bastion (5R) - {Light Mechinzed}
+1 ZAX Tankitron {Repuslor Hazard} {Medium LAER guided TESLA cannon}{Heat-Ray}

>>1797419
Correction

>Forward MILITARY:
8 Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
2 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
1 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (5R) - UNDERGROUND
1 LAER MKV Hazard (5R) – UNDERGROUND
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R) - UNDERGROUND

Riddick with Bounty PA
Cain with BoS PA
The Devils Brigade
Hazel with Bounty Hunter PA
Ed-E
2 MKV Hazard-Salvager Securitron Squads (5R)
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R)
10.5 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
4 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
6 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads (10R)
13 Spy-Eye Bots Squads
1 Super Heavy Omni-Constructor
3 Universal Loader Squads
2 Heavy Hazard Bastion (5R) - {Light Mechinzed}
+1 ZAX Tankitron {Repuslor Hazard} {Medium LAER guided TESLA cannon}{Heat-Ray}

6 Loader Squads have been produced passively

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Above Average (Stable)
Permanent:
Patriotism (Average- Phoenix Commonwealth)
Military Pride (Below Moderate)
>>>>>Current Pop:
31 Human
20 Infants
2 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
15 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Dean Domino, Couripor, Mary-Jo Casey
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Boom Town Shooting Course Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Chemical Mill (Small)
Concrete Military HQ/Barracks + Intelligence Center - James Bond. General Kreger.
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery (Tiny)
X-12 Biological Research Plant (Small)
Automated Hexcrete Plant (Small)
Securitron Deconstructino Plant / General Robotics Research Facility (Small)
X-13 Research Factility / Medical VR University (Small)
X-2 Antennae Transmitter Array - Mr. New Vegas. Ms. New Washington
Doppler Radar
Large Scale Replicator
AUTOMATED ROBOT FACTORY
**ZAX - VAULT TEC (TM)**
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few)
Watch Towers. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (INTACT). 1 Long Travel RV. 1 bulletproof limosine.
1 Electric Locomotive
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors.
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+Jacob Miles
+Tony Gam
+Janith Kindergarten
+Dr. Bradley's Brain
+20 Researchers (Followers of the Apocalypse)
+14 Hubologists
+10 Experienced Combat Medics/Researchers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans} {Augmented!}
+45 Assorted Research Robots (normal)
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Protectron
+1 Squad of Alienware Universal Hazard Containment Robots
+1 Squad of Heavy Mortar TACT bots
+10 VR Life Support Pods (debrained Version)
+12 Universal Loader Squads (+3 Squads at the Front)

>---NEW WASHINGTON---
>>>>>>Morale: Average
>Permanent: Patriotism (Average- Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>>Current Pop:
>203 Human
>35 Infants
>+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin

>>>>>>Garrison:
>1 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel
>+10 Mr. Orderly Robots
>+2 Experienced Higher Officers (Urban Veteran) [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veterans} {Augmented!}
40 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats” (Various)
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
+156 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot
+(Plentiful) Spy-Eye Bots

Squads:
>General Infantry Squad: (6 Regular Infantry, 1 Experienced Soldier "NCO", 1 Trained Regular Officer)
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veteran Leaders}{Veteran Infantry} {Augmented!}
8 Squads [8/8]

>Garrison Infantry Squad: (Assorted infantry)
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser){Veteran} {Augmented!}
2 Squads [8/8] [7/7]

>1 Command Platoon:
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veteran Leaders}{Veteran Infantry} {Augmented!} **Command Unit**
+1 TACT bot {Combat Veteran}
+2 Experienced Higher Officers (Urban Veteran)
+8 Experienced Regular Infantry
+5 Mr. Orderly Robots
+Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS

>>>>>Prisoner: None
1 Presidental Manor
100 Hexcrete Hex Houses (Indoor plumbing/Shower, electricity)
Asphault Roads. Sewer System. Night Lamps.
Desert Landscaping
Spring Well. Clean Water Tank (Intact)
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
Concrete School House (Tiny)
Glass Mill (Small)
Public Washing Machines.
Water Treatment/Fertilizer Plant
(Small) Bar + Cafeteria + Kitchen + Janith's Equipment
Solar Collector Tower Station (Small)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame. 5 Chinese Supply Trucks
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles. Solar Collector Tower Station (Small)

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+55 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
+11 Baby Brahmin
+30 Mr. Howdy's Farming Robots


ALERT!

Founding Day is in 2 turns!

---

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
>>>>>Turn: 115

>What do

Going to pass out now, busy most of tomorrow.

>>1797428

>HERO
- Complete BoS quest by ourself and then go back and trade
- Once we return, publish Vol. I of our book

>CONSTRUCT
Support the ZAX action.

>CIV
Make the School better.

>MILITARY
Send a team of human soldiers led by Cain to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.

>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot

>ZAX RESEARCH
Do whatever is needed to get us a 2nd construction action.

>>1797437
Add Riddick to that military action and we're good

>>1797473
Yea sure.

>>1797437
Sure why not

>>1797473
Supporting this.

>>1797437
>>1797473
Actually, why are we sending just humans?
Also send the new tankitron and a squad of hazard bots

>>1797437
>>1796647
What about some of the other stuff I mentioned? We could tack that on, right?

>>1797518
Just edit the Military action however you wish.
>>1797525
What do you wanna do?

>>1797528
>>1796647
>What about our Deathclaw and Deathclaw Eggs?
Regarding the Deathclaw and Deathclaw Eggs, separate the Deathclaw Eggs separated from the Deathclaw. Have a trusted person take care of it and be the first one to see them born so they'll be marked as the parent.
Maybe it could either be the Courier if he takes him along in his Alien Scoutship, Kreger in the Divide Outpost, one of our wives back at the capital, or Riddick. I think Unity would be a good fit for raising the Deathclaw Egg, and it would help with FEV research. Kreger if we want to make sure someone's watching and securing it. Us if we want to be able to negotiate with our Deathclaw should they ever be separated from us, or help us adventure.

>>1796647
>What about our borders or territories that we left unsecured and could potentially be infiltrated?
We know that BigMT is secured, the others without surveillance aren't. I think the other places with garrisons are too. Have some men on reserve scout around our territories and outposts to make sure men haven't infiltrated our borders or set up spies, and try to find any hidden units.

>>1797428
>>+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
We should start getting our Super Mutants integrated too, and if we're too low on reserve we could have them help out. I don't remember our previous agreement on having the Super Mutants help police ever occur, so we should have them do that, join the other scouts, and take the most trusted or least idiotic Super Mutants to join the investigation team.
I think the Nightkin will stay on reserve for emergencies until we can fix that sanity problem, or we can have them help if we want them to.

>>1797554
So basically.
>Military.
--Send a team of human soldiers led by Cain and Riddick to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.
--Have our Military patrol our outposts and secure our borders.

Is this good?

>>1797568
More specifically:
>>1797437
>Military.
--Send a team of human soldiers led by Cain and Riddick to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.
--Have our Military patrol our outposts and secure our borders.
--Have our Super Mutants and Nightkin start integrating with our military and aid in policing or patrols. Keep the ones too unstable or idiotic in their retirement homes.
--Separate the Deathclaw Egg from the Deathclaw, and have a trusted person or companion take care of the Deathclaw Egg. Someone like the Courier, Kreger, Unity, or one of the Courier's wives.

>>1797586
With the supermutants/ghouls I have a more passive view on them.
If they are feral they got to go. (Isn't their lore that the rads melted the brain making them feral)
The ones that cause problems or too low brain function not knowing right and wrong got to be kept sperate from the pop.
Then the ones that can understand and not cause problems can be allow equal rights yay. But you know they should have a chash course just to help them along.
In return for the more resources we give them in the chash courses they can repaid us by working like 5 men.

I think my views on them are moderate. Not really taking them all, or letting them mingle without vetting.
And also not kill them all type of view.


With deathclaws well I like the intelligence ones, and like them more than supermutants and ghouls.
Deathclaws>Ghoul>Supermutants=Nightkin.

Now to your post. I agree to the details you have lay out.

>>1797586
I think the last one is more of a HERO action.

>>1797568
>>1797586

Add a squad of hazard securitons led by tankitron to the scouting with Cain and Riddick.

>>1797437
Updated.


>HERO
--Complete BoS quest by ourself and then go back and trade
--Publish Vol. I of our book
--Separate the Deathclaw Egg from the Deathclaw, and have a trusted person or companion take care of the Deathclaw Egg. Someone like the Courier, Kreger, Unity, or one of the Courier's wives.

>CONSTRUCT
Support the ZAX action.

>CIV
Make the School better.

>MILITARY
--Send a team of human soldiers and Hazard Securitrons led by Cain, Riddick and a tankitron to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.
--Have our Military patrol our outposts and secure our borders.
--Have our Super Mutants and Nightkin start integrating with our military and aid in policing or patrols. Keep the ones too unstable or idiotic in their retirement homes.

>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot

>ZAX RESEARCH
Do whatever is needed to get us a 2nd construction action.

>>1797437
>>1797606
Thinking about it some more:
>HERO
--Separate the Deathclaw Egg from the Deathclaw, and have a trusted person or companion take care of the Deathclaw Egg. Someone like the Courier, Kreger, Unity, or one of the Courier's wives.
--Complete BoS quest by ourself and then go back and trade
--Once we return, finish any last details and publish Vol. I of our book

>CIV
--Make the School better.
--See if there are any individuals that want to change occupations or are unemployed.

>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot

>ZAX RESEARCH
Do whatever is needed to get us a 2nd construction action.
Show our drawings to the ZAX to see what they think of it.

>>1796730
>>1796694
Some anons wanted to include living in harmony with nature, or environmentalism.

>>1797601
Probably. I just assumed the HERO action is mostly about the Courier than companions, though. I'm not sure who counts under it.

>>1797602
Oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Have those units on reserve or overwatch?

>>1797606
>Make the school better
Right now it's on the small size, and it's more one room schoolhouse.
So how about make it better by expanding it's size and having either human teachers or robots to teach different subjects.

Also some research ideas and trade ideas for later since I know we want that 2nd Construction action
1. Ways to take rads from water. (BoS was Vault chips, they can be improved on with alien metal so we can supply futher water to our people and allow more water to grow and used in HEX building)

2. More impants to further make our people better (We can trade these for that 1:1 ratio after the mission with BoS)

3. Trade HEX and salient green to BoS (They are going to steal it off NCR sooner or later. So we trade them stuff for it and we get stuff)

4. Add telephones on our roads, so if we boardcast in the future for people we can rush to them with water and robots.

5. Research long range commination and build it (For Commonwealth exploring being in touch with BigMT and being able to set up and keep a outpost here)

6. Syths from Fallout 4 institute (Human robots that can spy or fit into smaller space then our current bots.

7. Airship (We have the engine researched we just have to build it. Transport and combat reasons)

8. New drugs (To trade with the MLA)

9. Cloning station (To clone and get chickens and cows back to life and make sure of there eggs and meat. Best to place the cows in Utah)

10. Long Range fast moving AA guns (To take down NCR planes in the future)

11. Mutant to human FEV research (We have to have the fail-safes first)

12. Safer/more advanced VR pods

13. Internet (Japanese Image board)

14. Give Pipboys to the people

15. Check up Washington DC

16. Build poweplants of all types (Look for Cold, Hot, Mass fusion)


Just ideas to think about for the future.

>>1797618
>4. Add telephones on our roads, so if we boardcast in the future for people we can rush to them with water and robots.
Emergency phone service sounds like a great idea. We should include them in our outposts without them or radios too.
It'd be pretty comical to find a phone booth out in the middle of nowhere after wandering into the Divide.

>1. Ways to take rads from water. (BoS was Vault chips, they can be improved on with alien metal so we can supply futher water to our people and allow more water to grow and used in HEX building)
>15. Check up Washington DC
We should if we ever want to get Project Purity.

>14. Give Pipboys to the people
Do Pip-Boys allow the level up system, or is it already in place just the characters don't know about it?

>>1797618
>3. Trade HEX and salient green to BoS (They are going to steal it off NCR sooner or later. So we trade them stuff for it and we get stuff)
No, confirm there's a chance they could first.

>>1797428
OP, wasn't ZAX research a free action beyond the 4 cap as well...?

>>1797618
I'm a big fan of points 2, 4, 5 and 11 terms of immediate goals.

We're only missing the anti-viral toxin which SINK advised us to get before we can convert the toxins plant for our FEV lab.

>>1797618
>Mass fusion)
I remember mentioning Dr. Klein was the one who expunged records on it and he's a Brain Tank, we should ask him about this later.

>>1797621
It's inevitable, with the NCR building with it everywhere. Once the Brotherhood and NCR start interacting, tech thedt will happen, which will include hex at least.

Dont forget to vote/support an action to show consensus

>>1797797
Supporting this qm
>>1797606

>>1797797
Something else I have a question about, QM. I have been reading up on radio tech and started thinking about the first trans-atlantic transmission. They used two sets of masts (20 x 200 ft tall) on either end of the Atlantic and with a power use of only 13 kW managed to send a telegraph over 2100 miles away. We have come a long way since then and with digital transmissions it has become easier than before. So my question is, why does our signal not reach the east coast easily? If you look at the power required for the trans Atlantic broadcast it is nothing we couldnt do many times over. In fact the upper range of transmitters IRL is 2500+ kW. Admittedly, most of those are giant arrays but with BigMT tech we cant make on to go half as far reliably? Dont think so.

>>1797606
Support

>>1797812
>why does our signal not reach the east coast easily
Interfering background radiation affecting even radio waves and EMP from various weather effects scattered accros the country, notwithstanding such things as radioactive cyclones in Texas, lightning filled Dust Storms in the Divide, eternal Nuclear Winter Fallout in the Frontier, and others.

I believe even IRL radio signals are also disrupted over land as opposed to water by things like trees, buildings, and hilly terrain.

>>1797606
Roll me 3 1d100s!

Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>1797819

>>1797817
Also rad storms, which i imagine must play havoc on radio systems eould be a concern in Boston, and anywhere else cobducive to their formation.

>>1797817
That they are, but masts are tall exactly for that reason. However, and what Marconi was also wrong about, the trans-Atlantic transmission did not go straight over the water but bounced back from the ionosphere. This means the signal went something like 60 km up and bounced back down to the reciever. This was also a reason the ionosphere became a theoretical concept, discovered, so to speak. At these altitudes the weather is a non-issue. And Im not saying weather isnt a factor I am saying that with how much clear sky we seem to be having for the solar power to work as well as it does and the weather from F3, for example (F4 radstorms may present a problem, not an issue now), it would not be an issue to send a signal from the clear skies of Death Valley to the normal skies of F3. And of course it isnt always going to be sunny and clear but the occasional storm wont hurt us (as we have seen, storms dont disturb signaling in the immediate are (robots dont lose signal when the storm rages around us)) and the weather in F3 is normal compared to IRL standards. This would mean that, if not everywhere and all the time, we should have absolutely no problem with sending people and equipment to locations on the east coast.

>>1797823
Since we also have Divide storms in our area, building a local tower to recieve a long-distance signal and amplify it in the area would be a solution to the problem. Seeing as our little towers do the job ok, we can use those. Stick a small reactor to it and we have signal. Better yet, use a local solution.

Rolled 58 (1d100)

>>1797819
Also rolling.

>>1797830
True, but then, you don't have any radio recievers or transmitters to say if your signal is being reached by the Capital Wasteland.

>>1797848
As I recall, you mentioned that certain destinations were outside of radio range. And the local antenna point was for signal amplification in dubious conditions where signal loss was possible. Our current robots should be more than capable of receiving signal on their own even at those distances. The issue starts when the local area doesnt allow the signal to reach the bots (ala radstorm).

Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>1797819
Heres the last roll

>>1797855
>>1797830
If I recall, DX radio only allows lower frequency radio signals (any higher and they pierce the ionosphere) and is also dependent on certain specific conditions of the Ionosphere such as time of night or day, weather conditions, and such. So its not very reliable, especially with potential Fallout conditoins.

However, I do believe that for aircraft, communications signals to the control tower are line of sight, notwithstanding any other weather effects, so theoretically your UFO should be able to achieve communications.

However, BigMT is indeed surrounded by weather effects, such as the very nearby divide storms which can be highly electrically charged, not only disrupting signals but also generating static background.

Perhaps you could commission the ZAX to devise a more powerful signal amplifier to penetrate the Divide weather even better, or just build more local radio towers across the wasteland. One in Utah perhaps.

>>1797893
Or just put the fucking satellite into orbit

Didn't we research a satellite?

>>1797894
We have a spy satellite plans.

>>1797896
But not communications satellite plans

>>1797618
I agree to all of these and would point out that long range communications shit exists in the Commonwealth, that we could exploit on arrival. The piece of tech was originally designed for communication between earth and mars during a manned mission so it should almost certainly work for all of our needs.

>>1797621
They will inevitably.

>>1797633
Actually we only need 1 / 3 and we currently have 2 / 3.

>>1797894
We did design a low orbit spy sat. Should be able to route communications through it with minimal signal lag.


We can alleviate these issues however once we start taking Legion lands, since that will give us a closer point to broadcast from if we need to use ground based shit. Not to mention we might be able to conquer our way to Boston and shit.

>>1797893
I like how you "If I recall"ed a very specific section of wiki in the order it was written. :)

I will look into it when I have time.

>>1797955
Wasnt that hard actually. Turns out the effect, as you mentioned, changes based on hour of day. This can, however be compensated for by changing the frequency and the angle of attack. Again, it isnt 100% radstorm proof but should allow us to effectively communicate with distances up to 3500km in a single bounce. This could potentially help us reach china. Again, going satellite would allow for transmissions into even radstorms but for scouting and early setup this should be very doable, as long as we dont crawl into areas with disastrous weather.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave section under "Other considerations". Will continue to read.

>>1797729
I know, but until they do we should keep our cards.

Also, did you guys know that in HOI4 Fascist Arizona is called "Empire of the Phoenix"
I think that is enough of a reason for conquering Arizona.

>>1798028
That and the Legion being a good source of brains. Useful, useful brains.

More seriously though, we should seriously consider finding out from the NCR how their war against the Legion goes and how far they've pushed them back. Depending on their answer it will effect the order we do certain things in and how easily we can pull off certain plans / ideas.

>>1798063
And it gets confusing with Phoenix being a city in Arizona. It dilutes the brand.

>>1798077
Chances are that has been nuked.

If not, we can turn it into our imperial retreat / palace or something. That or our space centre. Rename it "Phoenix's rest" or something.


Plus it's not like we plan on keeping much of the old world around. Living on the surface is a fad so most of those buildings will go ignoring a minority for traditionalists, large areas are too irradiated or damaged to be worth repairing rather than outright redeveloping and the rest don't have our technology or materials, so we would want to replace them either way.

In the end, we will keep around a few buildings of historical importance or architectural interest. The rest will end up being remade in Hexcrete and whatever other super materials we develop.

>>1798101
It's probably pretty intact. Phoenix isn't much odf a strategic target, and there was a centurion naned Aurelius of Phoenix. Roman naming convention leads me to believe he is from Phoenix.

>>1798125
True. Although that implies we would end up having to take control of a legion held city.

Seeing as my advised methods for doing so are a mix of heavy bombardment with conventional, laser, plasma and various chemicals artillery pieces that would destroy most if not all structures, chances are that won't be a problem.


Seriously though, fuck street to street fighting against the Legion. Let's just bomb the fuck out of everything, process the rubble and build a better city in it's place. With electricity, booze, drugs, modern medicine, no slaves and air conditioning.

>>1798165
If there were no slaves being held in the building, i say tear it down. But we aren't going to be bombing slave pens or civilian locations.

>>1798193
Problem is the same we have these days. "Human shields" are a concept that the Legion will use against us.

We could probably get around this by having advanced elements aggravate slave revolts but that runs into the second problem that the Legion slaves are incredibly loyal to their owners and shit ignoring those in their actual training camps, which are far from our border regions with us.

>>1798218
Thoughts on non lethal take down methods for civilians?

Knock out gas bombs, electrical stun gun equipped bots and the like?

>>1798218
>>1798232
Most likely.
We could also try precise lethal bombardment of Legion military positions to open a way for refugees to escape to us. Maybe make a refugee camp with the Chinese propaganda speakers to make it work better?

>>1798232
Personally I've made my thoughts clear regarding the Legion's civilians. Death is an acceptable state for the majority thanks to their brainwashing and upbringing / beliefs. Children, babies and possibly a few others might be saved but most if not all adults are too dangerous to let live since they'd be a constant source of revolt.

As to actual methods to disable civilians for capture: we have developed hardening foam that would function to capture most and we could reinforce this by application of irritant gas, cattle prods and so on.

>>1798240
Unlikely to work. Legion civilians are willing to charge NCR tanks and shit based off of what we saw in NV so they would fight to the death.

>>1798257
Actually i don't think the legion has not used slaves as human shields ever. Their sense of martial honour wouldn't let them cower behind profligates.

They have conscripts, but that's a different thing. If they are fighting back, they are fair game. But we can't just paint over the entire population with the brush of being fanatics.

>>1798273
>Actually i don't think the legion has not used slaves as human shields ever. >Their sense of martial honour wouldn't let them cower behind profligates.
They'd just say they were taking advantage of the profligates weakness. There's a difference between cowering and human shields.

>They have conscripts, but that's a different thing. If they are fighting back, they are fair game. But we can't just paint over the entire population with the brush of being fanatics.
Well seeing as >>1796450 says all the MLA are raiders, I get to whitewash the entire Legion as fanatics that burn their enemies on crosses and hail their emperor every time they see a sun rise.

I am not of the belief that there are none in them worth saving, just that the value of their lives is less than the problems trying to preserve them would cause thanks to their rarity and the potential for their fellows to cause problems long term.

Still, we will roll with it as it happens. That is the best I can promise.

>>1798301
Yeah, but the legion has civilians living rather domestic lives- farming and shit.
The MLA doesn't seem to have those sorts of people- all the grunt work is slaves ala Sparta and the helliots.

>>1798301
Mate i have quest dialogue that strongly suggests if not proves that the MLA is composed of raiders and criminals, don't be a salty bitch.

>>1798301
You REALLY like the MLA, dont you? You have been pushing for them for quite a while now.

>>1798310
True but we can't state for certain that none of them are "ordinary" people. Traders, doctors, industrialists, engineers (those junk copters and such were made and maintained so they'd probably not be risked in combat and shit, even if they were willing) and so on would be examples of domestic roles they'd still fulfil rather than being raiders although they might still own slaves and various other things.


>>1798319
And I have quest as well as in-game dialogue as well as shit we've seen to imply that most of the Legion will fight to the death.

Simple fact is that dealing in absolutes with our level of knowledge will only end badly. Handling this shit as the situation develops while creating precautions and preemptive measures is the most appropriate course of action and the one I'd advise.

>>1798466
I find them to be a horrifying mix of cultists, raiders, slavers and cannibal tribals amongst other things (a minority of which I consider agreeable or capable of being intergrated) but at the end of the day, they can be reasoned with and are willing to negotiate / listen while being crucial to maintaining the regional power balance and the stalemate between them and the NCR while we conquer the Legion and gain the strength needed to deal with either party as we feel appropriate or needed which I believe it might be depending on if expansion further south or east is possible.

Given time, I'd endeavour to eliminate them. Entirely and swiftly. Problem is that as of this moment in time, the resources we might gain from doing so would not equal the damage we might receive for the most part. Plus the delays it could cause and the effect on the balance of power are potentially disastrous.


I respect that many hate them and in all honesty I agree they should be destroyed but all things have a time and a place. I just feel that they aren't what we should be looking at in terms of expansion or war because of their utility in slowing down other faction's growth and providing resources in return for shit we want to develop anyway.

If there was some morally right faction fighting the NCR and the BOS, who had people we knew and could trust in control, and were capable of supplying all we needed while being a group I felt no problem with using as a human shield, I would be suggesting them instead. Sadly no such faction does or potentially even could exist.


Fact is that I just want victory for us, at any cost. Let the world we build judge the actions we took to build it but I want to not waste what time we have getting there since that just causes more pain and death.

>>1798467
>Handling this shit as the situation develops while creating precautions and preemptive measures is the most appropriate course of action and the one I'd advise.
YES! Lets make the anti-Forecaster machines now! That IS, what you were saying, no? Also, while I do agree there are no absolutes I dont think you realize how an actual population sees things. They will not throw away their lives for some dude far away without good reason. If we start burning every village we come across, most of the people will stand against us. If we go about it without needless murder and leave the simple farmer be i guarantee you most of the people will also be content with our rule in a few years. Especially with our civil tech. There will always be extremists but this does not represent the populace as a whole. The same can be said for the MLA, however taking into consideration that most of the "citizens" of the MLA have in fact killed/raped/tortured people we can assume more about them than the average legion farmer or mason.

>>1798503
Fair enough.

>>1798511
>YES! Lets make the anti-Forecaster machines now!
You mean anti-psyker machines?

>>1798615
We should modify the tesla coils to interfere with psychic energy. Probably don't want blanket suppressors, as they would mess with Unity.

RIP QM.

>>1799741
home now, writan

I'm still here, sort of forcibly being distracted but definitively update tonight

>>1800288
QM getting a blowjob, confirmed right here.

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>>1797606
>>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
>Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot
The ZAX computer devised two competing theories about Subterranean warfare.

The CEO program preferred large armored "Subterrines", meant for transport of mass production model robots or heavy weapons safely to the front. Because of their size, they can hold bigger batteries to travel longer, though slower, through the ground before surfacing to deploy troops or set up weapons such as artillery or AA or to establish themselves as hidden observation periscopes and with further research potentially fire underground drill-torpedos.

The MAJOR program prefers powerful fighting digger robots. Each an individual potent fighter, meant to pop up directly beneath the enemy lines and engage them at almost point blank with powerful small arms and melee weapons and possibly bombs.

Though CEO promises his model to actually be cheaper and more suitable for mass production, MAJOR insists his are far more combat effective as a subterranean infantry force as opposed to the CEO's vehicles.

These fanciful ideas are still a very long ways away from even fruition, and in general, your scientists are but working on just making the damn digger machines work. Its actually really hard to navigate and maneuver through even soft sand and dirt, and actual solid matter like rock or especialy reinforced concrete may pose an even more difficult challenge. It may end up only possible to use them through soft dirt, though this would be a major boon in any case. None the least the problem of communications strong enough to penetrate the ground. A lot of robots ended up buried and unable to accept new orders, and had to be dug out. But progress is still made, though more time and serious investment will be needed.

>>1800470
>Perche no los dos?
But seriously, would researching seismic lines and Airborne geophysics help?

>>1800510
personnel sized fully capable diggers seems too expensive for their very high specialization. Digger transports loaded up with flamethrowers can clear tunnels like no one's business.

Also, I imagine the echo boy would be help with developing navigation systems for these things.

>>1797606
>>ZAX RESEARCH
>Do whatever is needed to get us a 2nd construction action.
>CONSTRUCT
Support the ZAX action.

>ZAX(CEO)
Calculating . . .

Assessing Current Elements:
-Chinese War Factory
-7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized)
-Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
-5 Chinese Supply Trucks
-4 Construction Protectron Squads (5R)
-16 Universal Loader Squads (8R)
-AUTOMATED ROBOT FACTORY (General Purpose)
-Automated Hexcrete Plant (Small)
-Chemical Mill (Small)
-6 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads (10R)


Required elements for additional Construction Action over cap:
[Corps of Engineering HQ - Extension of Military HQ]
[Medium Steel Mill - Extension of Chinese War Factory]
-Crew: 3 Construction Protectron Squad + 1 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
[Large Assembly and Maintenance Garage (Medium) - Extension of AUTOMATED ROBOT FACTORY]
-Crew: 2 Universal Loader Squads + 4 Construction Protectron Squad + 2 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads

Upshots equals unparalleled repair capabilities of robots and vehicles within the vicinity of BigMT.

>CEO
"No more bloody Junk Repairs."

>RIG'D
"Awww"

2 Corps of Engineering Companies. Consisting (each) of:
-1 Omni Constructor
-1 Large Crane + 1 Construction Protectron Squad + 1 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-3 Chinese Military Bulldozers + 1 Construction Protectron + 1 Squad Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-8 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Generalized) + 2 Construction Protectron Squad + 2 Universal Loader Squads
-12 Chinese Supply Trucks + 3 Construction Protectron Squad + 4 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads
-20 Universal Loader Squads + 32 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads

>CEO
"I am evaluating an action plan to complete these projects in the fastest means, standby."

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Dammit. Finally got released.

>>1800708
>CEO
"The Omni Constructor has been successfully replicated based on previous research performed.

The material cost was high, a large amount of steel and fissile, but necessary.

The construction of Steel Mill expansion to the Chinese War Factory has begun. This provide ample refined, cast or molded steel reducing the time needed to convert scrap into construction materials and therefore increasing speed of all construction and production activities. The existing equipment is sufficient for task, and current structure at 35% completion. The project is moving ahead of schedule I request continued application of multiple actions to expedite final construction.

Estimated completion time, 5-8 months."

Wow. Looks like you've figured out how to automated directed research, application, and construction.

You feel proud as you sit back relax and watch the machines do all the work for you.

>>1800863
>Estimated completion time, 5-8 months.
It hurts.

>>1800863
>>1800869

Is the estimation based on single dedicated action or multiple?
If we wholly dedicate civ, construct and ZAX actions, how long will it take?
We could also help out as hero action

>>1800878
It may indeed be shorter with hero action spending, and good rolls.

>>1800863
QM, a question for you. The point of making the replicators not require fissile to function (taking power from the grid) and being able to change matter around more freely (even if rock tu U235 is currently expensive in terms of power) was to get rid of all the unnecessary infrastructure related to traditional industry. Steel foundries alone eat up so many resources to simply purify and reduce the iron. With a setup that circumvents all that by literally rearranging atoms shouldnt we be thinking about those solutions? I understand you dont want us having too OP stuff too soon but considering how fast the other major powers are growing I feel we not only get a minus for our size but we are playing hardcore mode with the AI having unlimited resources and faster research while we are stuck trying to increase our production for a year.

Point being: why do we have such heavy handicaps?

Also, have CEO seriously re-evaluate the potential applications of replicator tech. Since, with a big enough facility, we can get rid of every other factory. We would thus require a power grid and a few centralized production facilities to make literally everything we need. How does the ZAX not see the potential in that?

>>1800883
You currently don't have the power or the replicator size capabilities to completely make everything via replication. You currently use replicators for the most difficult or impossible to manufacture items, such as advanced robot computer chips, alien metal or alien energy cells.

>CEO
"Did you really think I didn't factor in your replicators either? Once the plans and calculations are organized to build upon the other. Once the Engineering Corps is complete, you won't have the power to run them effectively but I will not only use the enhanced construction capabilities to build more power generation faster than before, but more even to power much more potent replicators.

We lack both the additional power and the large enough replicators to make mass replication feasible. Furthermore, even when the technology is available, It would be very energy wasteful to completely synthesize our entire army when there is still plenty of scrap metal available, and we can achieve the same effect with the same timeframe without straining our energy grid so heavily. It is still more cost effective to include traditional assembly facilities, or better still, integrate replication technologies into a factory as opposed to molecular layering.

With the Divide at our availability, our railroad collection abilities, the steel used for these facilities and construction vehicles won't even put a dent into what is inside that overgrown scrap pile."

>>1800898
You misunderstand me. I dont want us to synthesize materials out of thin air. What I mean is the potential to directly turn scrap into robots. That is to say, not make new materials but rearrange existing ones (until the other option becomes economically feasible). This would allow us to sidestep the steel industry and simply feed replicators with scrap or ore and have them extract the necessary materials from the raw input and discard what is not needed. Considering the amount of power an average steel mill (that is electricity, not additional materials required for production) uses is around 4 MW per ton of steel produced. It doesnt go into detail about whether it is ore or scrap but considering both are usually used we can take this as a reference. Add to this the energy required to machine and forge this into robots, plus the additional rare/hard-to-make materials and you start to come to a realization that we are using quite a lot of energy for robot production. Since we, I assume, are making most of the complex internals by replicator already (since we lack any means to reliably make all the necessary materials for complex electronics/magnets/weapons and so on) I dont see why adding the process of metal refining is so outlandish compared to having the replicator produce the parts we need and then just assembling them by (robot)hand.

As to the point of power, here are a couple of videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6rilA4uTlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvsFWUo2iIw

The first talks about the issues of solar and nuclear and compares the two. A bit basic but it gets the point across that nuclear, if you ignore the problems with the fuel, is superior in every way. Since we are approaching the point where the fuel becomes a non-issue for us I dont see the problem in it. I also find the point of deaths/TWh quite funny.

The second is about the state of solar now. I understand that the storage problem is somewhat mitigated by the mysterious alien batteries, however if we want to go full solar we would require far more storage than is sensible. It also talks about fusion and the problems with it. As I understand we are soon to be in the possession of a fusion reactor. This is great. However, I have a question for you regarding that as well. I understand cold fusion (as well as can be expected) but what is the difference between Hot and mass fusion? Also, why does the hot reactor give off large amounts of radiation? The radiation fusion gives off is neutron radiation. Which, though dangerous, can be easily contained by shielding. Also, in the case of an accident, the production of radiation stops in milliseconds so waste is also not a problem. Furthermore, it should not really be likely that the hot fusion reactor blows up, since with containment failure the system cannot operate further. This is made safer by the fact that fusion reactors have very little fuel inside the reaction chamber at any one time.

>>1800935
>that we are using quite a lot of energy for robot production
>This would allow us to sidestep the steel industry
You need bigger replicator facilities for that.

>that we are using quite a lot of energy for robot production
Yes, but had you replaced all of that with replication, whether matter reorganization or matter synthesis, without applying fissile material which is limited/precious the conventional method is still less energy taxing. If you are willing to spend fissile material like there's no tomorrow, then certainly replicating everything right now is feasible. But the CEO says that would be quite wasteful.

The Replicators you have currently are suitable enough to mass produce small parts both conventinoal and exotic, gears, wires, sprockets. But casting the Titanium Alloy and Steel Armor of frames and bodies of the robots and vehicles is more effective under conventional means right now.

Hot Fusion appears to operate on methods utterly distinct from Cold Fusion the way it is described by the Chinese Archives, though without actual scientific data you can only conjecture how it works.

>>1800898
>>1800935
>>1800950
So we should integrate replicators with our facilities to improve production and efficiency?

>>1800952
The ZAX's plan is to do just that until such a time as it is cost effective to transition to large scale replicator production entirely.

>>1800950
So what makes the small parts less expensive than the large parts? Going by a rough guesstimate, the average robot is 50/50 armor plating and internals. This would mean that we are already making 50% of the robot by means of replicator tech. This means that half the robot is made by replicators in small batches which is the assembled by other bots in lines. Since we need the replicators for the small stuff (because there is no way we can produce rare metals/rare earths in the traditional way) and since they almost certainly have to synthesize a large amount of the materials needed (again, rare materials that are easily lost to 200 years of wasting away, not to mention allround rare) the comparison of synthesizing 50% of the internals vs rearranging 50% of the plating is in favour of the armor.

So again, why is it more difficult? Taking into account the time, energy and resources of a steel foundry production the replicator (referred to as the general tech, both rearranging and synthesizing) is flat out superior. Any problems of efficiency should be a priority to e addressed by the ZAX immidiately, instead of building a steel industry for half a year. This is further confounding since you mentioned that the ZAX could have aided in making the replicator more economical in its processes.

>>1800950
Also, hot fusion would be the ITER/NIF type of fusion reaction but what differentiates mass/cold fusion from them? Is it just buzzwords we read from somewhere? How could the ZAX know which would be better for us in that case?

>>1800952
We should replace the factory itself with a replicator. If the sierra madre machine could make ammo and chems and our ones can make weapons whole, it is not that big of a leap to build securitrons in 2/3 sections and later whole. Especially since apparently assemble them anyway.

>>1800962
>So what makes the small parts less expensive than the large parts?
I think you answered your own question.
>>1800950
>The Replicators you have currently are suitable enough to mass produce small parts both conventinoal and exotic, gears, wires, sprockets.
We have to resources to for the smaller ones. Possibly the larger types are at a scale too high for the replicators, and they'd be too inefficient for it.
>>1800898
>You currently use replicators for the most difficult or impossible to manufacture items, such as advanced robot computer chips, alien metal or alien energy cells.
They're doing it as a matter of necessity, not that they want to.

>>1800962
>Going by a rough guesstimate, the average robot is 50/50 armor plating and internals
I'm not sure where you are getting this average at all, furthermore the robot frame isn't just its external armor but also internal supporting structure.

Especially since some of your robots are very heavily armored and this does not take into account the vehicles as well.

>How could the ZAX know which would be better for us in that case?
"Presuming hot fusion is indeed an actual technology, the ability to extract 10 times the amount of power from the same piece of fissile materials as conventional fission is ideal to provide us the ample power to synthesize and rearrange metals and other items in large quantities.

Cold Fusion simply removes our reliance on Fissile Materials, but does not provide us with as much energy for mass synthesis or rearranging.

Ideally we would use the energy from Cold Fusion reactor to build a Hot Fusion one, then we can more easily transition into full replication industry."

>>1800972
>>So what makes the small parts less expensive than the large parts?
>I think you answered your own question.

You misunderstand. What makes the replication of these small parts less expensive PER PART (Same amounts/masses of matter) than the large ones. Especially since the small ones are far more complex than a slab of armor plating.

>The Replicators you have currently are suitable enough to mass produce small parts both conventinoal and exotic, gears, wires, sprockets.
>We have to resources to for the smaller ones. Possibly the larger types are at a scale too high for the replicators, and they'd be too inefficient for it.

Then make the armor plating in small chunks we assemble later. Would be the same with the steel forges. And if it is alien metals anyway then it doesnt matter. They have to be made with the replicator. And if the alien metal synthesis is doable, why not steel rearranging?


>You currently use replicators for the most difficult or impossible to manufacture items, such as advanced robot computer chips, alien metal or alien energy cells.
>They're doing it as a matter of necessity, not that they want to.

Then all the more reason to improve upon this process. If we can not get away from this and it is used to make most of the robot, wouldnt it be more sensible to improve this process than to make industry for the lesser part (which we may not use because of alien metals anyway)?

I agree that it is not perfect but the priority should be on improving that part. We can improve it and start relying on it more, thus removing the need for bulky industry (like steel or rare metals extraction).

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>>1800983
Wait what? FUSION uses fissile materials? I think you have some things confused. Pic related shows the nuclear binding energies of atoms, wit Fe being the element in the "middle". As you can see the increase between H1 and He4 is massive. This is what fusion reactor are wanted for, to tap into this energy difference when you turn lighter elements into heavier ones (compared to the difference of U235 and its fission products Kr92 and Ba141). This process uses H2 and H3 to make He and neutrons for the reaction. This means the products of nuclear fusion are harmless He and less harmless, but manageable neutrons. As I mentioned previously, neutron radiation is not that hard to deal with if you know what you are doing.

As to the robot percentage, I agree, was a rough one. Still, the point remains that with the amount of weird tech our robots carry from the self-replenishing rockets to the laser guns to the power sources, a large amount of the internals require lots of relatively exotic matter not found in the wasteland.

>>1800985
>What makes the replication of these small parts less expensive PER PART (Same amounts/masses of matter) than the large ones
You might not notice it, but you are speaking in loops anon.

A small part is less expensive to produce than a large one because the small one has less mass. It is a small part, compared to the large one, and do not have the same amount of mass.
>Especially since the small ones are far more complex than a slab of armor plating.
That is why it is cost effective to replicate them, because they are complex and so synthesizing them is faster than having to mill very fine and complex parts over time. True it is more energy costly this way, but in a reasonable way that effectively decreases time and effort making it viable.

>And if the alien metal synthesis is doable, why not steel rearranging?
You can currently rearrange steel.

It just doesn't make sense right now to do so for very large simple chunks of steel that can be casted or smelted at far less energy cost, considering your energy limitations, or to convert rarer fissile materials into steel when there is much more steel in abundance and less fissile.

Also you don't have the large enough replicators to do so in a time reasonable manner, and to build one will take steel. Steel which can be more feasibly produced under your current energy budget constraints and practical conservation of fissile material, with conventional facilities.

>>1800996
>FUSION uses fissile materials?
Hot Fusion does. Cold Fusion or conventional fusion, does not.

However it works, it definitively does not conform to the Commonwealth's understanding of Fusion entirely. Which is why most comparisons to your IC understanding of Fusion is moot.

>>1800985
>Then make the armor plating in small chunks we assemble later
Too slow with your current energy constraints and the size of your facilities, or too wasteful of fissile materials instead, where conventional forging is faster en masse right now.

>>1800950
>The Replicators you have currently are suitable enough to mass produce small parts both conventinoal and exotic, gears, wires, sprockets. But casting the Titanium Alloy and Steel Armor of frames and bodies of the robots and vehicles is more effective under conventional means right now.
>>1800985
>You misunderstand. What makes the replication of these small parts less expensive PER PART (Same amounts/masses of matter) than the large ones. Especially since the small ones are far more complex than a slab of armor plating.
>>1800997
He never said cost-effectiveness for sizes, just that was more practical to.
Although I got the impression it could've been more cost-effective for the smaller sizes that decreases with size as well, for replication by itself that is. Such as with size-specific algorithms and designs.

>>1797635
>>1800999
>>1800996
Have we talked to Dr. Klein about his nuclear research yet?

>>1801014
>Have we talked to Dr. Klein about his nuclear research yet?
You carefully avoid the mention of any Chinese technology, but inquire Dr. Klein about the Mass Fusion and Cold Fusion.

>Klein
"IF I DELETED IT, IT WAS SURELY BECAUSE IT CAME FROM THOSE IDIOTS AT COMMONWEALTH INSTITUTE.

'MASS FUSION FROM A SINGLE BERYLLIUM AGITATOR' WHAT A LUDICROUS CONCEPT. BREEDER REACTORS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE TRIED AND TESTED SUPERIOR METHOD FOR SUSTAINED FISSION FOR OVER CENTURY! WHY, I BELIEVE A SUFFICIENTLY BUILT BREEDER REACTOR WITH ENOUGH FUEL COULD SUSTAIN ITSELF FOR FIVE HUNDRED YEARS."

You make a note of that for another time.

>>1800997
So rearranging steel is more expensive than building a steel industry and making it that way? Consider also that that would be raw steel and any wanted alloys would need added materials which we could only get through the replicator, bringing us right back to the core of the problem. Furthermore, if the replicator makes small pieces of internal machinery which we gave to assemble and the armor plates have to be bolted on anyway, the addition of a step in assembling armor pieces is negilible. Also, I dont want to convert fissile into anything. We have the steel and a machine that rearranges matter in a very specific pattern that we design. This opens the door to nanoscale improvements in structure (think the effects of nanotubes on material strenght and how they are chaotically added in vs a systematic inclusion of nanostructures to increase material strenght manyfold)

>>1800999
Also, this literally makes no sense. Either you are making a fission reactor (ala standard nuclear reactor) or you go fusion reactor. The way you are describing it is akin to a particle collider which uses energy and certain elements to make heavier elements. This is not a power producing system, other way around in fact.

This is handwaving in the harshest degree. The world does not work that way. Not even the Fallout world.Even the FEV has roots in reality in the form of retroviruses and the rising CRISPR/Cas9 tech that promises genetic altering on a /per gene/ basis with high accuracy and specificity.

>>1801006
And the energy required for synthesizing all the internals, additives to steel, alien metals and power cells in negilible? Please take a look at the larger picture. This does not make sense.

OP, I was looking at stats of Dr. Mobius glasses and scrubs and it looks like together they give +4 INT boost which is frankly ridiculous.
If we give them to a complete retard, a borderline vegetable case (1 INT), it would make them a person of quite average intellect (5 INT). Add the implant and lifetime supply of mentats and fixxer and we have turned a certified moron into a pretty intelligent person.

Do you apply those boosts in this quest too? Does this mean that all of our scientist have 10 INT? We could easily turn our entire population into geniuses by just giving them those clothes considering average INT should range from 4-6.

How smart are our scientist anyway?
We should have them go at NCR scientists for shit and giggles.

Dammit, I hate how bethesda raped the stat system. They made the numbers useless. In original fallout series, having 10 in any stat made you one in a million, maybe even 10 million case.

>>1801030
How about we stop bothering Think Tank till we fix their insanity?

>>1801033
Come on man, let him continue with the turn update.

>>1801033
>So rearranging steel is more expensive than building a steel industry and making it that way? Consider also that that would be raw steel and any wanted alloys would need added materials which we could only get through the replicator, bringing us right back to the core of the problem.
It's likely that a large amount of the expenses are simply from the replicator from operating and how high-tech it is. On top of any inefficiencies we make.

>>1801030
>>1801040
Yeah, I figured it'd be a good idea to fix their insanity. This further cements it if we want to research and of their lost knowledge.

>>1801040
>Come on man, let him continue with the turn update.
no

>>1801037
It is a shame yes. F4 is even worse.

>>1801040
I want the update too but this is ridiculous. Just to slow our progress? We have the tools and as QM said we should play to our strenghts. Now we are building steel mills to out-steel the NCR when we could circumvent this whole stage. Add to that that this would make sense both IG and for the players and the obstacle becomes efficiency for steel whereas synthesizing many metals (Many of them heavier than steel) is a non-issue. Doesnt add up except as an arbitrary barrier to overcome.

>>1801033
>So rearranging steel is more expensive than building a steel industry and making it that way?
In terms of energy or fissile yes.These are not currently unlimited or frivolous resources. This may not always be the case in the future, but for now it is.

>Consider also that that would be raw steel and any wanted alloys would need added materials which we could only get through the replicator, bringing us right back to the core of the problem
That problem being? Your replicators produce the small amounts of titanium which are then added to conventional forging progresses, which is less energy/fissile costly than just replicating the whole alloy itself.

>the addition of a step in assembling armor pieces is negligible
Well, not literally bolted on, but yes, the replicators make small, complex, or impossible to manufacture parts which are then assembled with larger conventional parts which are more cheaply made from conventional means.

> Also, I dont want to convert fissile into anything.
Until you build the universal disintegrator and maintain sufficient power, you have to.

>This opens the door to nanoscale improvements in structure (think the effects of nanotubes on material strenght and how they are chaotically added in vs a systematic inclusion of nanostructures to increase material strenght manyfold)
Which would be an excellent molecular assembly and materials research action.

>This is not a power producing system, other way around in fact.
You don't even know how Hot Fusion works and can only speculate it, if the name is even correct for example.

Furthermore, Fallout operates on different laws of physics than our world, such as radiation acting differently than it does in ours. This is said explicitly by its creators, and also by me.

You can sleep off radiation, for example, due to a mutation (perk) you have (Irradiated Beauty)

>And the energy required for synthesizing all the internals, additives to steel, alien metals and power cells in negilible?
No, but its for that very reason it doesn't make sense to also tack on the synthesis of common metals in bulk to that strain.

>>1801052
You are building steel mills to prepare yourself to get what is needed to circumvent the need of steel mills.

>>1801037
>Do you apply those boosts in this quest too?
No so rigorously or mechanically, but yes, better clothing does have a significant boost on people as it does in game. Maybe not to such an extreme effect as glasses turning men into Geniuses. . . .

I would explain an effect of Mobius Glasses on an Int1 character as perhaps there being some sort of unspoken architecture or material in its design, akin to the little piece of equipment that maintains a Valence Radii Accentuator which improves physical durability as well as tissue regeneration.

Interestingly, this may prove a potential source of more medical breakthroughs.

>>1801060
So what you are saying is that while we can synthesize all the materials as well as parts we need for robots that are not steel, we can somehow not figure out the way to add steel alloy creation to the mix to cut out assembly time entirely? That, while making LAER guns and magic missile pods is not an issue for our power production, adding steel to the mix drives us over our budget? And that, while we cannot rearrange steel in an efficient manner, the way the normal replicator works is adding steel to make titanium? Or does it synthesize it, making the whole disintegrator point moot anyway.

The point is: We have the disintegrator working to make half of everything, why is steel so hard to fathom adding to it to reduce the load on our power consumption/time/resource allocation et cetera?

In terms of game: How much would the addition of steel to the replicator list increase time for the production of an individual robot? How long does it take now? How much would our power grid suffer if we moved steel over to the replicator? What is the difference between alien metal bots and steel alloy bots in terms of production time if we assume full replicator use? Also, securitrons are supposed to have a titanium alloy frame, not steel alloy. What is the percentage of the Ti in the alloy? Is it steel alloy? How big is the difference between this and alien alloy in terms of strenght?

>>1801076
>We have the disintegrator working to make half of everything
It's not finished yet.

>>1801076
Also I may be mistaking my speech here. Not ALL of your complex or electronic sensitive parts are made by the replicators, just the most difficult to do ones.

The Chinese Factory, plus the Robotics Factory, actually also produces the bulk of your more simple electronics too.

In concrete terms a replicator might produce the very fine tuned and almost impossible to produce these days super transistors while the Chinese Factory and Robot Factory builds the regular wiring, radio equipment, heat sinks, etc. that are found in such vehicles as their Bawang Tank, Supply Truck, or SPA vehicle.

>>1801063
What? My point is we have the technology to sidestep this whole process of steel mills. 4 MW per ton is quite a lot for something we can very easily not do.

>>1801060
>You don't even know how Hot Fusion works and can only speculate it, if the name is even correct for example.
I can accept it as "aliens did it" but then our Brains/ZAX should also be able to discern that something fishy is going on. You CAN say the character erred, you know. Brain was too high on mentats or preoccupied with something else.

>>1801072
>Valence Radii Accentuator

So they don't turn people into geniuses? Good to know, otherwise our efforts to improve quality of our doctors and scientists would feel kinda useless if we could just give them some pieces of clothing and get similar result.

>>1801088
"Hot Fusion" is what DanDan and the Chinese archives call the technology actually.

And it very much operates differently than what you percieve IC as Fusion, and OOC, which are actually very similar.

>4 MW per ton is quite a lot for something we can very easily not do.
Indeed, and now imagine a much higher energy cost than that if you were attempting to do it with pure replication or even matter rearranging. It might be anywhere from double the energy consumption or higher.

>>1801087
Then where do those get their raw materials? We sure as shit dont have a Si refinery. It all goes back to the replicator that make the raw materials. Why not cut out the machining part so we stop wasting time on things we dont need to do. As I recall the robo factory also used replicators.

>>1801081
My mistake, was referring to replicator tech. On the topic, however, how does the disitegrator differ from the normal replicator? The replicator turns matter into different matter as well. Is it a matter (huh) of density difference? That the normal replicator cant go from rock to fissile, but can go from steel to fissile? What are the rules here?

>>1801093
Whether they are a retard or a Genius, education is never useless.

Much of what helps is actually just being able to talk to your Brain which knows how you remember things best better than you do. Because it actually does all that stuff for you and this speeds up education tremendously.

One might even call it self teaching. The Brain reads it first, then teaches 'you' in a way that you will surely understand best because it knows you internally.

>>1801099
Are all of our scientist and doctors de-brained?

>>1801088
Yeah, and qms point is that it has been determined that doing so costs more energy. Its probably a precision vs quantity thing. The replicator makes steel with exactly the impurities we would want, while the mills make more.

>>1801094
>4 MW per ton is quite a lot for something we can very easily not do.
>Indeed, and now imagine a much higher energy cost than that if you were attempting to do it with pure replication or even matter rearranging. It might be anywhere from double the energy consumption or higher.

My god man. Think it through. The heating neede to melt the melt (in many stages too) as well as the steps to keep the machinery going is stupendous. If this is what is needed for steel REARRANGEMENT the making alien metals from steel or whatever is so expensive we cant do it. Ever. This would also mean that our whole industry falls flat since the most base element of our society cannot work. We can no longer make robots because the simple process of making robots would dwindle to a few bot a month. IF we can even keep our society going in the first place. This does not make sense. And the cherry on top is that if we take into account only the difference in making the steel, we can get away with making the robots at the capacity we are making now without grid overload. The numbers (as few as there are) dont add up.

>>1801105
I don't understand your issue. Rearranging steel means breaking apart all the bonds between the metal atoms. I don't think melting steel requires more power than that. And that doesn t really impact base element of society in the long run as it eventually becomes a matter of meeting very high energy demands.

>>1801095
>Then where do those get their raw materials?
>We sure as shit dont have a Si refinery.
The Chinese War Factory had all the elements able to produce every single part used in their vehicles, from armor, to wiring, to electronics, using very common and available materials. This is actually where very early on you got a lot of your common electronics, and where you still get a portion of them from now.

It has been very useful and adaptable, having been made to produce railroad ties for example.

>What are the rules here?
The normal Sierra Madre replication uses 1 part Fissile and 2 Parts steel, usually now in ingots instead of coins (or any other suitably dense material which typically is steel or higher, like gold).

The Fissile Material fissions, releasing energy, a "kick" if you will and this energy is used to also break down the steel atoms as well releasing energy from it too, and base particles. The total energy derived is enough to sustain the reaction needed to rearrange the base particles it typically into something either equally or less dense than what was inputted, such as food, computer chips,etc.

Rocks, feathers, granite, or items much less denser than steel do not release sufficient energy to sustain the reaction of both breaking down and rearranging.

With the disintegrator replication the need for that starting "kick" to break down the material into base particles is no loger needed thanks to the alien weapon converting energy into disintegrating particles which themselves can break down matter into base particles. Extra energy is then used to rearrange these into matter, which can be even denser than what was started with.

Which is why it is more energy intensive than normal Sierra Madre replication.

>>1801103
If we use the replicators we cut out on time required for assembly entirely. Add to that the fact that we dont need to set up a whole industry and that we have far better control over what we make. As I mentioned, nanostructures would be very simple to make. Take the graphene subject for example. Very strong but doesnt occur in large sheets. If we can layer the armor with graphene we get very strong armor. Even more so with all the superscience materials we have.

If we spent as much time on replicator tech research and building the large scale variant we wont have a need for the steel industry OR the time needed to upgrade it when we decide we dont need it any more. And somehow the computers dont see it?

>>1801114
Correct, however much energy, in the form of heat, is lost in the process. Also take into account that you have to also deal with the slag and leftovers of the process, keeping the furnaces hot, preheating air and the list goes on.

>>1801118
pls op, just continue with the turn update

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>>1801063
>You are building steel mills to prepare yourself to get what is needed to circumvent the need of steel mills.
yo dawg. I heard you like resources, so I put a replicator inside yo' steel mill. so the replicator can help yo' steel mill produce the resources necessary to circumvent the need fo' steel mills, so you can just use replicators instead of steel mills to produce yo' resources. which we'll then use the steel used to make the steel mills to fuel the replicators replacing the steel mills. ya dig?

>>1801119
>Correct, however much energy, in the form of heat, is lost in the process. Also take into account that you have to also deal with the slag and leftovers of the process, keeping the furnaces hot, preheating air and the list goes on.
All of which are still, FAR less energy needed than to have broken down that steels atoms via fission.

Consider you could superheat all of that metal into a gas, and the atoms would still be intact.

>>1801121
Yeah it is about time. I better do that while my coffee binge from yesterday still lasts.

>>1801118
Dude, are you saying that the factory has a stockpile of resources? Or are you saying the factory can produce ALL the materials needed for ALL the robot production we did early on? From the weapons to the reactors? And if that is the case, the ability to make ALL the raw materials and the chemicals required for ALL the processes that have to take place? Most COUNTRIES dont have such infrastructure and this is supposedly INSIDE this factory? Dude, again, come on. You dont realize the scale of this. It is enormous.

>>1801118
>>1801128
It's Command & Conquer tech, that's just how it works.

>>1801128
Its taken from a c&c game. Just use a little suspension of disbelief.

It either makes things from scratch, or we are delayed a year in our industry.

>>1801128
>you saying that the factory has a stockpile of resources
You've been scavenging them as scrap and from the mines, and the materials requirement for Fallout Tech may not be so complex as IRL.

>Or are you saying the factory can produce ALL the materials needed for ALL the robot production we did early on
It pretty much did, with help from such facilities as the Securitron Deconstruction Plant, Dr. Mobius Robo-Scorpions, you and your companions on workbenches, the discovery of the Omni-Constructor stuff like that.

>From the weapons to the reactors?
Yes.

Just like how the Gun Runners have a factory that can produce and charge microfusion cells and energy weapons ammo.

>And if that is the case, the ability to make ALL the raw materials and the chemicals required for ALL the processes that have to take place?
You have Salient Green Production and the Chemical mill for your chemical and plastics needs, and some rubbers.

Everything you guys did really built upon the other to make these things possible.

It wasn't just one Factory, or even two. It was all of BigMT, New Washington, the outposts, and the hard work of the American mind and people that made it all possible, under your leadership.

Also an assortment of Geniuses and Old World tech.

>>1801123
kek

>>1801118
And dude, refer to the graph I posted above. there is no way. NO WAY. you can exract energy from Fe fission. It is the reason stars die man. The Fe in the core is as stable as it is going to get, meaning the star does not regain energy from fusing lighter elements into Fe. And turning Fe into heavier elements takes, not gives, energy. This means that if the disintegrator provides the initial power then the process should be even cheaper than normal. Something I can agree with.

>>1801125
>Consider you could superheat all of that metal into a gas, and the atoms would still be intact.
Yes, the atoms would be. Fe atoms. Which we need to rearrange. This is what I was referencing to. What you meant, I assume, was breaking down the atoms. This would have to take place, for example, if you wanted to make titanium out of steel or uranium. Ionizing matter is something else entirely and FAR less energy consuming.

>>1801137
>And dude, refer to the graph I posted above
Isn't that graph based on RL physics though?

Obviously iron itself isn't fissile or fertile material in itself so it can't sustain its own reaction, but the Fissile Material provides just the right kick to allow it to.

>And turning Fe into heavier elements takes, not gives, energy
Which is why the Sierra Madre replicators typically don't do it.

>Fe atoms. Which we need to rearrange. This is what I was referencing to.
Well, you aren't rearanging the atoms. Otherwise you would just get Iron Soup or an Iron Shirt.

You are rearranging the base particles, electrons, neutrons, and protons into different atoms, and then those into molecules.

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>>1801136
>It wasn't just one Factory, or even two. It was all of BigMT, New Washington, the outposts, and the hard work of the American mind and people that made it all possible, under your leadership.

This gave me a patriotic feel

I'm not even an American

>>1801123
>>1801137
>kek
hope that got a giggle outta ya m8

>>1801137
>>1801136
>>1801118
>>1801141
It's Fallout Science. It's a black box compared to our science. A lot of it apparently fueled by the power of MAD SCIENCE.

>>1801132
>>1801135
But that just raises a question why we need replicator research in the first pace if the factory can make stuff off hand.

>>1801136
I can agree that the people/heroes helped with the projects. However the chemical mill was not made until we had already constructed many robots and buildings. Also, how did we make the factory in the first place then? Furthermore, the factories of the Gun Runners were never specified. I can believe that they found a factory and made it work. That they used the material stockpiles in it to make the first guns and scavenged for materials to make more until they controlled an arms industry with multiple factories and raw resource operations to fuel their factories. factories that make GUNPOWDER guns. We are talking about lasers and plasma. Presumably it uses magnets. A good exampe would be neodymium, which is a rare earth metal. Compare that to steel or wood for guns. Plastic or lenses for optics and you get where I am going. I can get behind salient doing us great favours but this is a whole other level.

>>1801137
Just accept the technobabble about how a technology that doesn't exist works.it just does.

>>1801145
>But that just raises a question why we need replicator research in the first pace if the factory can make stuff off hand.
Command & Conquer tech, if you've seen the series, is a master at conventional tech. It doesn't do what alien or Fallout Science tech does like make what should be practically impossible happen, like FTL technology.
>>1797426
>>1801118
Also we can, we just haven't bothered with those factories. We should ask the Chinese for their help in this. What are they doing anyways?

>>1801145
Please stop and allow him to continue the turn.

Must. Resist. Small talk.

I WILL WRITE THIS UPDATE

>>1801152
Don't resist. Resistance is futile, QM.

>>1801145
Maybe Because the factory has all the things needed to achieve peak 70s tech. In terms of electronics. And robots require much finer tolerances in their electronics than the factory can normally achieve. Just go with it.

>>1801142
We should use this for more propaganda.

How does it feel?

>>1801141
>Well, you aren't rearanging the atoms. Otherwise you would just get Iron Soup or an Iron Shirt.
>You are rearranging the base particles, electrons, neutrons, and protons into different atoms, and then those into molecules.
So you are saying the sierra madre replicator deconstructs all matter into neutrons/protons and goes up from there? In that case there shouldnt be a difference what we stuff into the machine, rocks are fair game if it all ends up in the same place anyway. And an Iron shirt with additives is exactly what I want to make. A Securitron-sized steel alloy plating to go with the already replicated internals to make robots in one place without the need for assembly.

>>1801143
>hope that got a giggle outta ya m8
Certainly did :)

>>1801143
>It's Fallout Science. It's a black box compared to our science. A lot of it apparently fueled by the power of MAD SCIENCE.
And I get that. But Fallout keeps it all in line. If you buy into FEV, vacuum tube robots and a nuclear fetish the game asks no more of you. Right now I feel that QM is adding all these layers just so we wouldnt have the replicator tech. Which is a shame since everything else works exactly this way.

>>1801148
>Command & Conquer tech, if you've seen the series, is a master at conventional tech. It doesn't do what alien or Fallout Science tech does like make what should be practically impossible happen, like FTL technology.
Cryo copters and chronospheres seem pretty elaborate to me. And if you go Kane it just gets worse.

>>1801150
>Please stop and allow him to continue the turn.
Never. I want us to succeed and if that means pointing out unnecessary obstacles then I will.

>>1801152
QM, despite my nagging I do really like what you are doing. I very much dig Fallout and would I be here arguing over nuclear fusion or radiowaves with you if wasnt interested? Has been very cool to learn new things or re-read old ones and I hope you have learned as much as I have about these things. If something is wrong in my statements I expect you to point them out just as I point out yours. I mean, would all this be true, if I didnt care, for youuuuuu....


...r quest?

Also had a thought about the use of FEV on our population. The CRISPR/Cas9 system allows for specific alterations of target genes according to what was programmed. It also propagates through generations unchanged, meaning it is a viable long-term solution for what we want. The system is found in bacteria that use it against viruses to cut out foreign integrated pieces of DNA (Other systems for RNA). This could potentially be applied to combat FEV and replace it with something we designed. For example, a version of FEV as it was meant to be (Pan Immunity Virus) and add sections we deem worthy (added INT, if we can ever figure out how that works, altered looks - Übermensch, anyone? - or stronger builds). Could go as far as to make Spacemuhreens.

Just a thought.

>>1801166
>How does it feel?

What do you mean? Not being a part of the greatest country on earth?
Rather pathetic really.

>>1801184
That is the goal.


Personally I'd combine this sort of research with the fact that in-vitro fertilisation exists as a concept and could be achieved. Theoretically speaking, we can have children grown in specialised vats using eggs / sperm harvested and altered before combination in ideal conditions and fed with a perfect slurry of nutritious material.

This would result in all homosexuals being able to have children (huge benefits, means we can give them the same legal statuses as straight people without population problems) and families in general being able to have children without medical risk to the mother (during pregnancy or childbirth) or reduced ability to work thanks to the physical alterations / chemical inbalances (important for our researchers and such).


Admittedly we would need to provide the mothers with something to simulate the effects of pregnancy in regards to lactation or entertain the thought of a nanny robot / artificial replacement for breast milk.


This also provides an additional reason to take female prisoners, since we could harvest their eggs for use growing our population before killing them.

Also we might want to consider the potential for creating a creche attached to our school and shit.

>>1801349
Ok dude, waaaay too specific. Also too large a time frame. The FEV is useful since it changes adults. Same with the CRISPR system. However, with the trend of 2-4 turns per thread we really wont reach 16 years very easily. It would be easier to put all our efforts into FEV research and cure the citizens we have. For loyal ones we can use the FEV on random wastelanders and a mindwipe to reprogram them to be pro-us. IF this ever becomes necessary. More likely we take refugees and filter them and have a trial period. Allows faster pop growth and makes more sense at the time.

>>1801357
Growth can easily be accelerated. Ideal nutrition would ensure constant, consistent, good growth conventionally by removing the material limitations and genetic alteration could reduce "junk genes" making mitosis quicker by reducing genome length. Not to mention the actual potential to accelerate mitosis by artificially adding more of certain chemicals into the feed supply which encourage cellular division or accelerate the act of division on the chemical end rather than the material so to speak.

Additionally, continued supply of these chemicals and perfect feed supply after "release / birth" from the facility would induce a faster adolescence and youth. Reduced time to educate present but can be counteracted by application of new technology to improve educative speed and success / retention along with technologies to render more free-time to the individual.

Expectation: physical maturity in a reduced time frame. Admittedly compromises morals but would allow for a massive population spike without weakening internal cultural concepts while also allowing for major improvement of average population baseline and development of new abilities. May result in lesser education among the subjected individuals thanks to accelerated growth.


Effort can be supported by methods as mentioned by you. This is merely an additional point for when our time scale is slightly larger: e,g after consuming the Legion, as we would have need of additional, loyal and capable, population members. Or if we find ourselves with spare resources since this program would take time to return results.

Plus, development of this technology would allow for further research and development of gene-mods and such technologies / concepts.


Additional point, developmental cycle of a cow from conception to birth: 283 days roughly. Our cloning lab achieved this far quicker. With this technology we can accelerate fetus development assuming potential exists. Would still leave us with children to deal with, not ideal but is useful.

>>1801386
Actually that is not really true. The division rate of cells at the gestation stage is pretty much as high as it can go. Unless you somehow figure out how to directly feed every cell the will use the circulatory system and thus be confined to the speed they are at. As to the so-called junk genes, they are not really junk and they are hard to distinguish from other, active genes. The fact is that genes are spread all over the length of DNA and the interactions between separate genes and the snips of random DNA, as well as structural sites for molecules are spread all over the DNA chain. What is commonly referred to as junk DNA may in fact be a protein binding site and vital to the function of a cell.

After birth the addition of growth hormones does little to accelerate growth besides cause malformation issues. This is especially true for sensitive tissues that develop and need to develop over a long period to function properly. Add to that the need for different hormones at different levels of growth and you have a system too complex to manage.

Basically, this is so complex it is mind boggling. I study genetics so I have an inkling of an idea and I still dont know shit. Though FEV is magic so maybe.

I agree it is something for later and that it may give gene tailoring tech, which is good. So something to consider when we have the time.

>>1801417
>Actually that is not really true. The division rate of cells at the gestation stage is pretty much as high as it can go. Unless you somehow figure out how to directly feed every cell they will use the circulatory system and thus be confined to the speed they are at.
True but I'd imagine we can figure out something better than blood to act as a transport medium even if only in the tanks. Admittedly this might not be feasible but there is always a reason to try since it'd make an excellent enhancement for troops.

>As to the so-called junk genes, they are not really junk and they are hard to distinguish from other, active genes. The fact is that genes are spread all over the length of DNA and the interactions between separate genes and the snips of random DNA, as well as structural sites for molecules are spread all over the DNA chain. What is commonly referred to as junk DNA may in fact be a protein binding site and vital to the function of a cell.
True but between having the ZAX, our various scientists (one of the think-tank for example managed to combine the genetics of a rattlesnake and coyote into a stable species that can reproduce, this shit should be easy for them), whatever old world research we can find (one location in FO 4 has a machine able to combine the genes of any species together as well as a complete gene-bank but was manned by experienced staff, might not be a good example but proves principle), the surplus of eggs / sperm we will get from the Legion and enough practice pushing the boundaries it should work to at least enhance the baseline a little.

Main point is that genes in Fallout work weirdly and this sort of shit should be pretty practical.

>After birth the addition of growth hormones does little to accelerate growth besides cause malformation issues. This is especially true for sensitive tissues that develop and need to develop over a long period to function properly. Add to that the need for different hormones at different levels of growth and you have a system too complex to manage.
You'd think yet evidence exists in Fallout 4 to suggest that giving a child a constant diet of Mentats will actually increase their mental (baseline) abilities without damaging the developing tissues and their brain. Less information exists in reference to physical drugs like Buff-out but dealing with less sensitive tissues like muscles odd to make them more feasible. Plus we'll have plenty of chances to test out and a surplus of shit on this sort of thing.

Not to mention there is a vault in the Commonwealth that significantly improved the human baseline through objective testing, accelerated life cycles and shit but admittedly we'd need to go and harvest their reproductive material storage to be able to make use of it.

So catching up since I wasn't here. People were talking about the science of steel and nuclear fissile preventing OP from making his post. That he passed out after a coffee crash, while anons and OP got a better idea of how some theocratic science works.

Cool stuff happens while I sleep.

>>1801456
>Basically, this is so complex it is mind boggling. I study genetics so I have an inkling of an idea and I still dont know shit. Though FEV is magic so maybe.
FEV is kinda magic and super-mutants can regenerate shit like lost arms and such given time or smaller wounds within a short period. So the implication that sensitive nerve tissue can easily be regrown exists.

>I agree it is something for later and that it may give gene tailoring tech, which is good. So something to consider when we have the time.
True. Still the basic idea is feasible: in-vitro reproduction to enable population growth faster than our actual population allows as well as extensive genetic manipulation practice.

>>1801459
Can they regenerate lost arms? I don't think they heal that well.

And before we start looking at ways to boost our population with babies we neesd to think about why we need nore babies. Babies for the sake of babies doesn't help anyone, especially as we improve automating everything as time goes on.

>>1801476
We need more people to do research and fulfil various other roles. Simple fact is that having our empire's entire industrial base and such be ran without human oversight doesn't feel right to me. Which is what we would currently need to do if we took over even half of the Legion.

Plus, more people means that we can send some out to spread our praises, seek allies and technology and generally just prepare the world for our coming.


Still we can see how it goes, I'm just saying having more people would be quite useful.

>>1797606
>CIV
>Make the School better.

The tiny Concrete School House. A small concrete structure with basic HoloTV, Radio, and a little bookshelf plus several classrooms.

Truth be told it somewhat gathers dust. It is at best a glorified library and at worst, a hangout for the few teens and adolescents you have to goof off though Alexa usually keeps that to an acceptable limit.

Previously, it was used to help the various wastelanders who didn't know how to read and write and do math, learn how to read and write and do basic algebra, improving the literacy rate of your people to 90% which by any wastelander standards is actually no small feat. As most everyone who doesn't work a private service job, or is not a soldier, works the farms as is the most common occupation after the first two.

Although BigMT is a vast center for highly advanced research and a database of Old World knowledge, apart from the existing researchers and a scarce few hobbyist, most people don't see the need to go to school. The problem is not just techology and infrastructure (which by the way has much more room for improvement too) but of psychology.

>>1801633
Arcade makes his observation:
"The Hub and the Boneyard had one of the oldest intact libraries and education systems for almost a 100 years now, older even than the NCR's academy.

But people who lived there, from then and now, usually couldn't afford or had the time for such education, in between looking for their next meal and trying not to get killed by Ghouls and Radscorpions.

The drive for education is, sadly, indicated to be connected heavily to that of competition rather than any altruistic ideas. Most people came to the followers Medical University to learn how to be doctors as that profession has always been in great demand and short supply, and getting accredited by the first University to be completed since the war affords one more bottlecaps than your typical magazine read Doctor.

Looking at the NCR today the explosion of their industry and even wider availability of jobs puts a higher price on higher education. As it was in the Old World, people paid to go to university to get a degree and be more appealing to employers to get higher paying jobs.

In the Enclave, rather than just money, the incentive was also privilege based. High ranking politicians, top level scientists, officers got the bigger rooms, the nicer foods, the prestige. Though this also bred a lot of nepotism. Not everyone can be a President, even if lots of people could be just as skilled as him.

Call me a cynicist but we're going to have to figure out some ways to incentivize people to want to be educated. Currently, most of us who are scientists and engineers are about as well off as a farmer, though I prefer my job over being a farmer. I suppose most of the people who do farm might prefer to be a researcher than toil in the hot sun but haven't considered the possibility of higher education.

Also most of the children don't even bother coming here and almost all of them dream of being soldiers."

>con't

>>1801487
Again, if we just want the research, recruit outside talent and screen for suitability. Debrain and boost with drugs and we get scientists. Way easier than the whole reproductive solution. We dont really need clone troopers.

>>1801637
Except recruiting outside talent is risky and dilutes our culture.

Anyhow, reproduction is happening either way, this is just us making it as effective as possible.

>>1801636
Have we given Handys to everyone already? If not, that is a way. Also, seeing as we want to expand our research, have the more promising members of our science divisions select members for teams with specific fields. Have a physics wing which focuses on nuclear/particle physics and get them going on the replicator tech upgrades (Yes baby! Back again!) while another team gets going on FEV with Unity and so on. Fill up senior roles with already present researchers and have them in turn select people to work under them. Incentivise this with shorter workhours than farming and a bigger (slightly, maybe quality or variety wise) alcohol supply and luxuries from salient. Make the lives of researchers more comfortable than farmers. However, also allow the soldiers this, with a focus on food/alcohol and physical activities available. Point being, who is smart enough can get luxuries through being smart and dedicating themselves to that, while people with an aptitude for physical activities go the ,military route.

>>1801654
That doesn't solve the problem of none of the children wanting to be researchers or the fact our people can't be arsed in all honesty to learn. I admit that additional rations might work to motivate them but that would assume they aren't receiving everything they want already and that we have the resources to spare.

Also, no to your suggestion of those teams. Involving children / teens in the development of FEV is insane even if merely observing and particle / nuclear physics is a energy intensive and expensive to establish form of research.

>>1801636
Before upgrades on the school technological system take place, you decide to work on the very fundamentals of your society and the peoples place in it in regards to education.

You have several options available to you. You decide to focus on the children first, as they are an easier program to tackle and could lead to a model for adult education. There are several available to you:

>The NCR/Enclave Model
Education is mandatory up to 14 years old. Classes here have a very state slanted curriculum, with patriotic and nationalistic ideals embedded into every facet, somewhat leaning towards military service over civilian service.
As examples, History is based on the Glories of the NCR/Enclave, the indignities and insults suffered by their enemies, the justification of the actions of the state. Biology included studies on racial purity. For the Enclave that meant the demonization of mutation, and for the NCR the opposite, its acceptance as an unavoidable element of evolution and radiation. Geography is almost identical, the lost lands of the Commonwealth, the need to expand into them for a "Manifest Destiny" or any other name, and Geography for the purposes of military education. What the terrain is like, its wildlife and plant matter, how you can operate in it. Science has a military slant to it the curriculum required that the principles of shooting be studied; military aviation science; bridge building and engineering and the impact of radiation.

In addition to this, both have their own military youth program to further enhance their state education. The NCR call it "Yaunkers Youth" while the Enclave call it the "Boy and Girl Scouts". These were mandatory afterschool programs that would train teamwork, discipline, and prepare them for potential (or mandatory) military service. Children could be monitored for certain skills, the best shooter, the best amateur mechanic, the best potential driver, the best medic, and so on.

>con't

>>1801673
>The Brotherhood Model
The Brotherhood Model emphasizes and recognizes only two castes, Military (the Knights and Paladins) and researchers (Scribes).

Rather than focusing on classes and mass training, the Brotherhood emphasizes a system of Squires and Tutelage. Children would be first tested and assessed by panels on an individual basis, and then assigned to a Knight or a Scribe for tutelage, effectively locking them into a role until they become an initiate.

Skilled teachers would watch over a select few youngsters over their career, rather than teachers watching over an entire class, until they become an initiate where they will be tested again as to whether they should be a Knight or a Scribe. Initiates typically include also adult recruits, with raised squires having a slight rank advantage and expected to be leaders of fresh initiates. The quests they perform are arduous and test them regularly, which results in an attrition rate. Some do drop out in disgrace, become maimed, or die but there are still more survivors and these end up hardened and confident.

The system usually ensures every child is educated on the Vault scale, such as your city. In the much larger BoS Midwest chapter where entire towns are under their jurisdiction, not every child ends up being a squire. Those unfit or unnoteworthy end up going into other professions as apprentices of farmers, Reaver priests, or service industry such as taverns or the likes.

This results in a stronger sense of elitism which is backed by actually higher training and merit of suitability and experience.

>>1801712
Qm, are we free to write in our own system?

>>1801717
Of course!

>>1801719
Problems i see with the systems are a lack of cultural studies. In orser to win the culture game, we need culture of our own- art made by our people's hands. We can't just focus on science and the military.

>>1801717
>The Vault City Model
The Vault City Model puts a much stronger emphasis on science, plain and simple, breeding more civilian researches as a focus.

All citizens are expected and mandated to learn a very high standard of knowledge and education, regardless if that is their profession, allowing flexibility to move people from one job to another as is the most efficient. Though, as citizens, with mass slave labour it was perfectly acceptable to have minimal effort jobs or even for citizens to "retire until called to service" and just enjoy being alive and, if desired, "sit at home and do jack shit", as they could afford it. If they were needed, they would be recalled back into the work service. Slaves could be replaced by robots in this scenario.

Military duties are usually delegated to mercenaries or to the select group of people who want to go into that profession. The number of these people has actually grown in Vault City of late, probably due to propaganda, advertisement, and typical wanderlust.

>>1801669
This is not targeted at kids, rather adults with an aptitude for learning. Point is to incentivise mental jobs over menial ones. This would not be limited to what I proposed. Also, this would incentivise the scientist themselves to compete for resources, with successful teams getting bonuses, thus making success a goal to reach for and getting the best team to achieve this. This would also mean that people would be taught both in school and at the workplace. They would be worse at the beginning but you see where I am going.

>>1801673
Have the Enclave model without most of the propaganda and a focus on critical thinking. Also offer three main directions: science, military and service (entertainers, designers, propaganda and so on). With the way we are building our society anyone with an open mind will see the advantages we offer over anybody else. Not to mention the living standard of everybody is great, as compared to everyone else, who has lower classes living in shacks or worse.

>>1801730
The NCR/Enclave system put a heavy focus of culturization into their system, though more in a patriotic nationalistic sense than artistry.

Artists are considered a secondary profession to pursue. Not suppressed by any means, just not so focused, and in fact the NCR's blossoming entertainment industry is a result of this.

Go ahead and debate what education model you want to focus on or create your own, just remember to get a vote of three.

>>1801717

This is what im feeling.

School is mandatory until age 14. Curriculum will cover the basics of at least every possible profession, as well as general knowledge considered necessary to function in an advanced society and culture programs (like band and art)

We can institute volunteer youth programs, similar to the ROTC, or marching band, or club systems for those interested.

After their mandatory schooling is over, we analyze how well they did, where their aptitude lies, and recommend they pick the profession they are best suited to (this is not mandatory, people are free to pick whatever interests them, this just helps them choose)

If they pick a profession that requires more knowledge they will the go into advanced schooling until they are ready to join the workforce.

What do anons think?

>>1801733
Yeah i like your idea on the modified enclave model.

>>1801745
Regarding that Model, most children hang out with the Freeside Rats, and you consider integrating that into your actual program.

>>1801733
>This is not targeted at kids, rather adults with an aptitude for learning
Except we are specifically developing the system for our kids right now.

>Also, this would incentivise the scientist themselves to compete for resources, with successful teams getting bonuses, thus making success a goal to reach for and getting the best team to achieve this.
Sounds like a thing that'd lead to corruption and I'd argue that since we direct all scientific assets, that ain't a system we want.

>This would also mean that people would be taught both in school and at the workplace. They would be worse at the beginning but you see where I am going.
True but in that case you might as well go for the BOS / Vault models.


>>1801745
I'd support that. Assuming we back it up with a thing from another quest. Wherein we made sure that specialists in trades / industries in the region would be able to visit the schools and opportunities would be made to incorporate apprenticeships with them where possible. By this I mean I kinda want to include the system the BOS use, regarding a professional in the actual field rather than a teacher being the one who educates. Not the part about them not doing classes and shit.

>>1801750
We are certainly going to do that.

>>1801750
Make them an extracurricular thing. Military youth force. Not mandatory but useful anyway.

>>1801745
This is good. Support this. Maybe open up options for apprenticeship type deals after mandatory schooling like
>>1801751
Suggests

>>1801751
>I'd support that. Assuming we back it up with a thing from another quest. Wherein we made sure that specialists in trades / industries in the region would be able to visit the schools and opportunities would be made to incorporate apprenticeships with them where possible. By this I mean I kinda want to include the system the BOS use, regarding a professional in the actual field rather than a teacher being the one who educates. Not the part about them not doing classes and shit.

Oh absolutely, thats a great idea!

>>1801751
Then consider this an option for the adults. Also, that is what is happening in real life and guess what, people are not corrupt. This system would prioritize results and remove slacking on the job. Any problems can be dealt with by the directors of each wing (Institute approach). Also, since we are talking about converting farmers into scientist not highschoolers into college grads I see no problem with learning as much as they can.

>>1801752
Mandatory. The skills learned there are universally useful: physical discipline / exercise, basic maintenance for machines / tools, chain of command / obeying orders, first aid, cooking, map reading / wayfinding and such.

>>1801754
They are a part of the mandatory structure as well as a progression from school thing. The idea being to ensure employment and maintain needed workforce's / skills where possible.

>>1801755
There were many good ideas in the Glorious republic we crafted in Tundra quest. Where we ruled a prosperous society for more than a thousands years with next to no problems.

>>1801754
>>1801751

Adding that in.


School is mandatory until age 14. Curriculum will cover the basics of at least every possible profession, as well as general knowledge considered necessary to function in an advanced society and culture programs (like band and art)

We can institute volunteer youth programs, similar to the ROTC, or marching band, or club systems for those interested.

Additionaly industries in the region will be able to visit the schools and opportunities would be made to incorporate apprenticeships with them where possible in addition to / outside of their mandatory schooling.

After their mandatory schooling is over, we analyze how well they did, where their aptitude lies, and recommend they pick the profession they are best suited to (this is not mandatory, people are free to pick whatever interests them, this just helps them choose)

If they pick a profession that requires more knowledge they will then go into advanced schooling until they are ready to join the workforce.

Additional thoughts / tweaking?

>>1801762
Eh. Lets not going around forcing students to do too much. Best way to make a kid hate reading is to force hum to read.

And some things require some level of classroom teaching. It also reduces the amount of people capable of teaching requiresed. Not all scientists can teach an apprentice well.

>>1801762
Most of these will be taught in schools anyway, with the military part being the Rats. Also, with the fact that we are moving from manual to mental jobs I dont see the reason for internships before higher education when engineering and science jobs become available. The military could promote itself through extracurricular means all the time, use the Rats for that.

>>1801769
I like it.

>>1801769
I would like to increase the mandatory age to 18. This would allow the kids to get a better idea of what they really want. An example is Germany, where they are separated at around that age. I have never met a 14-year old who knew what they wanted to be besides policeman or astronaut. An exaggeration but you understand what I mean.

Otherwise, seems good. As to style of materials refer to >>1801733

>>1801793
Sounds reasonable. I can add that on to >>1801769 without having to retype.

>>1801793
This and this
>>1801769

>>1797606
>--Separate the Deathclaw Egg from the Deathclaw, and have a trusted person or companion take care of the Deathclaw Egg. Someone like the Courier, Kreger, Unity, or one of the Courier's wives.
Kreger doesn't want it.
None of your not!wives want it.
Unity says she would consider adding it to her hivemind. Most Deathclaws are hostile on sight, though she hasn't found an egg yet.
Dr. Bradley's Brain suggests working with Doc Hentry on practicing Cybernetic Brainification of the Deathclaw pup akin to what they did with Cyberdogs.
Dr. Borous wants a Deathclaw Egg to do super science

>>1801832
>super science
And there you go.

Do cyberbraining on geckos, should be plentiful enough.

>>1801832
I kind of want to give it to Dr Borous, but i know its only going to end badly....

>>1801832
Time for super science

>>1801832
>Dr. Borous wants a Deathclaw Egg to do super science
>super science
Which reminds me, how's the Think Tanks' science experiments coming along. What did Dr. Dala do after Hercules escaped?
>Dr. Bradley's Brain suggests working with Doc Hentry on practicing Cybernetic Brainification of the Deathclaw pup akin to what they did with Cyberdogs.
Would this make them as loyal and helpful as the Cyberdogs?

>>1801847
>Would this make them as loyal and helpful as the Cyberdogs?
Yes.

>>1801851
Thats fucking adorable. Switching my vote to Cyber deathclaws

>>1801832
>Dr. Bradley's Brain suggests working with Doc Hentry on practicing Cybernetic Brainification of the Deathclaw pup akin to what they did with Cyberdogs.
>>1801842
>>1801851
Going for Cyber-Deathclaws then. Get the best pup around.
Also I don't want to know what Dr. Borous is going to do until we fix the Think Tank's sanity or get an extra Deathclaw Egg.

>>1801853
Indeed.

>>1801851
Cyber deathclaws

>>1801832
>>1801851
>>1801855
Oh hey. This made me realize, we could use this to fix the Deathclaw's animalistic intelligence once we reunite with Best Friend's pack, so they don't attack most people on sight. Cyber Deathclaw pack?

>>1801853
>>1801855
>>1801857
The Deathclaw fights for her egg to the death.

You aren't so perturbed because you've killed deathclaws for their eggs before, alongside Best Friend and other Deathclaws, just like you killed humans alongside them too. You ate the Deathclaw meat, he ate the human meat. "Survival of the fittest" and all.

Omlettes are yummy! But you have better ideas for this egg.

You give the egg to Doc Henry and Dr. Bradley, who will see to incubating it as a normal egg.

---

Please put the school model you want in a single post and also vote it too.

>>1801867

Now Featuring the age change.

School is mandatory until age 18. Curriculum will cover the basics of at least every possible profession, as well as general knowledge considered necessary to function in an advanced society and culture programs (like band and art)

We can institute volunteer youth programs, similar to the ROTC, or marching band, or club systems for those interested.

Additionally industries in the region will be able to visit the schools and opportunities will be made to incorporate apprenticeships with them where possible in addition to / outside of their mandatory schooling.

After their mandatory schooling is over, we analyze how well they did, where their aptitude lies, and recommend they pick the profession they are best suited to (this is not mandatory, people are free to pick whatever interests them, this just helps them choose)

If they pick a profession that requires more knowledge they will then go into advanced schooling until they are ready to join the workforce.

Additional thoughts / tweaking?

>>1801870
>and recommend they pick the profession they are best suited to (this is not mandatory, people are free to pick whatever interests them, this just helps them choose)
>Additional thoughts / tweaking?
Any ideas on what happens if they still aren't sure on what to pick? Hope they go for the recommended job or just shove it to them?

>>1801873
Give em 6 months and they can switch. Make sure it isn't just growing pains.

>>1797606
>--Publish Vol. I of our book
>>1797611
>>1801867
When we get around to our book, are we going to finish any last details before we publish? We still have the environmentalism topic.

>>1801873
This: >>1801874
Also default to military if nothing else fits. Drill them hard and they fall in line. Maybe even take it as an opportunity.

>>1801870
Seems fine. Supporting.

>>1801873
If a student / New citizen isn't sure of the profession he wants to pick , I'm thinking we can encourage them to find one that suits them by prodding them into internships / Temp positions. That way they can try before they buy so to speak?

I dont want to shove someone into something they wont be happy with you know?

>>1801870
Support this.

>>1801870
>>1801874
>>1801883
>>1801885
Sounds good, support. Either they go on internships or temporaries jobs until they find one they like, or they end up in the military until they're disciplined enough for one.

>>1801867
>The Deathclaw fights for her egg to the death.
That Deathclaw was a male, unless deathclaw can change genders at will

>>1801870
Suppoering

>>1801897
*his. I double checked and you are correct, eitherway, it was a feral animal.

>>1801897
Life... uh... Finds a way.

>>1801870
>School is mandatory until age 18
>Curriculum will cover the basics of at least every possible profession
>as well as general knowledge considered necessary to function in an advanced society
>and culture programs

>volunteer youth programs, similar to the ROTC, or marching band, or club systems

>industries in the region will be able to visit the schools and opportunities will be made to incorporate apprenticeships with them where possible in addition to / outside of their mandatory schooling.

You begin to work out the fundamentals of your devised system. Most importantly, deciding what is considered "Necessary" to function in an advanced society and what constitute as goverment supported industry apprenticeships.

Currently your nations primary industries are:
-Researchers (Robotics, Medical, Nuclear Physics, Computers, Electrical, Chemists, Argicultural/Botanical, Neuroscience, Energy Technologies, Military Design)
-Engineering and Construction (Saftey Inspector, Robotic Oversight, Pilots and Drivers, Site management, Machine Operation, Factory Worker, Repairman)
-Logistics (Food Distribution, Quality Assurance, Supplies Manager, Sanitation Oversight, Water Control)
-Government Services (Large Cafeteria, State Sponsored Lobotomite Brothel)
-Military
-Farming

>>1801870
Supporting this

>>1801885
With this change

+ Let's add in a nationalistic component similar to the NCR, like geography class which focuses on our manifest destiny to reunite America.

Also, we haven't addressed the problem that the QM mentioned, there is no incentive for our people to learn more at the moment.

Should we implement a new currency that they can use to purchase luxury goods locally? We would then pay individuals according to the usefulness of their profession.

>>1801936
everything except farming. Phase that out as soon as possible. Far better things to do with all those brains. Apropo, when is it OK to harvest them? Is it around 25 or can it be done sooner without adverse effects? We should institute a mandatory debraining for everyone. Literally more than double the "science output".

>>1801943
See: >>1801654 and >>1801733
Not perfect but a start. This would also mean we start getting teams for research bonuses as well as separate actions when we grow large enough.

>>1801943
The Pioneers of Post Scarcity believe in the devaluation of money in favor of direct goods and services, and suggest alternates to fiat current such as Sierra Madre Chips, Energy Credits based on actual Energy Consumption for replication and services, or time and space based limited luxuries as these will always be limited resources.

>>1801947
The recommended suggestion is debrainification as soon as the brain has reached its maximum natural size.

Also another issue we need to get round to: creating a currency for our nation since our people want payment in real terms and we need it too to encourage certain jobs and shit.


Personally, I am a firm believer in having our "money" be ration points. Any material or resource, from food and water to fuel and silicon wafers being purchasable in exchange for these from us with logical limits. The idea being that we ensure, as a state, that all individuals receive a set amount ration points equal to the amount of food, water, electricity and so on they need for a comfortable but not lavish life. Anything more than that being gotten by trading with each other, working additional hours or in "higher pay" jobs.

One-time payments / rewards being given for various things like getting de-brained, passing an educative course or learning a skill, completing a military tour or receiving a medal / award. To encourage exceptional acts as well as wanted behaviour.

Not only does this prevent our money from experiencing hyperinflation, force us to work within our means and encourage actual productivity but it means that if we allowed it, private industry and individuals could produce money directly by trading resources back to us in refined forms or in the case of things like fish / hunted animals, directly while preventing.

Admittedly this system could prove difficult to work with but it seems like it would be a fun experiment.
>>1801943
Thanks for bringing it up.

>>1801955
So does that mean we just wait for the growth to stop or does it need to have balanced out in terms of hormonal changes. Thats why the 25 year mark when you can be relatively certain the brain does no more major changes. If it is just growth then 18-21 should be dandy.

>>1801960
Well we could experiment.

>>1801955
>Sierra Madre Chips
These would be an excellent currency once we get the community replicators online.

If we introduce them now with the promise of better functionality in the future, does our Brain think that it will be accepted by the people?

Also QM, government services will eventually expand to include Senators, Mayors, police and lawyers.

>>1801956
So just go generic credits? Doesnt that defeat the point of post-scarcity? I would change it to reflect luxury goods only. The basics are there for everyone. Nobody starves or freezes but if you want actual stake instead of STEAK™ you work hard for it. So average work gets you the neccesities and a little luxury but above average gets you increasingly more options.

>>1801966
Why even use real currency? With the Alexa system online we can just go digital. No need to carry anything and no worry it will be stolen. This would also remove our need to manufacture and deal with the logistics of real money and with the direction we are going it would not be an issue if we dropped it.

>>1801968
>So just go generic credits?
That would be a fiat currency. The literal opposite of this system. This is an abstract representation of productivity and surplus.

>Doesnt that defeat the point of post-scarcity?
Sure but we ain't post-scarcity yet by a long shot. A few years maybe but right now, no.

>No need to carry anything and no worry it will be stolen.
Never said it was a physical currency.

>This would also remove our need to manufacture and deal with the logistics of real money and with the direction we are going it would not be an issue if we dropped it.
True but our people want physical money so they can go on holiday to the NCR.


The idea is that everyone receives a set amount as a bare minimum as a citizen. Enough for all their food, water, alcohol ration and other such needs along with the electricity to light a standard government provided home (which can house 8 at most, so costs can be shared if they want to spare more for a more expensive lifestyle without working / making sacrifices) and such.

The point being that it encourages them to get educated and work hard or to live plain lives: not consuming their alcohol rations, lowering electrical consumption and so on would result in them having ration points spare from their government allowance.

>>1801968
Well, the difference being that these credits do not represent the goods and services, as fiat currency, but are the goods and services themselves. At least, going by the original chips which would be a temporary measure until true energy to mass synthesis will be widely commercially available.

In a way, the Followers sort of admit it seems likely that the concept of money might not ever go away, but that its form may reflect much closer to the actual product rather than being based on arbitrary values and subject to inflation and deflation.

A Watt will always be a Watt, and a Joule will always be a Joule.

>>1801987
But they could not use chips in the NCR, nor would we want them to spread. And making other forms of currency would only really be useful outside of our nation state. Also I dont see why we would need to make the basics cost anything if we are going to give it to them anyway? And what is wrong with the fiat money anyway? We could have it represent a set amount of energy/resources and have it tied to gameworld items, if that is what you want. The point that with the "credits" they get a little bit for doing their jobs and more if they do their jobs well. I agree that living conservatively is something good but we can just have the ZAX calculate an appropriate baseline to build on to get that. And if we are talking about travel money we will have to buy the NCR dollar in anyway. Or forge them. Also a (lucrative) option.

>>1801990
So your saying that if you have say 100 credits in your wallet.
And a cup of coffee is the small price of 5 credits. The money your paying is the amount of power needed to make the coffee?

Which in turn, make the system gain no more credits than their is? Is the money supply increased with government adding more credits in the system?

>>1801990
So credits which represent energy/resource requirements. Just adjust for actual luxury goods so it s balanced.

>>1801990
>A Watt will always be a Watt, and a Joule will always be a Joule.
But Watt are they?

>>1802007
Basically. Our credits represent the base cost of it rather than any arbitrary values.

>>1802007
We give citizens credits or the good jobs they do and citizens use the credits between themselves or in replicators. The credits flow back to us in the end anyway. We can this way control the rates and the economy directly. At least until it grows too big for direct control. Which, considering we have like 300 people and we are the main supplier of everything, is not that soon.

>>1802007
>The money your paying is the amount of power needed to make the coffee?

>Followers
"Ideally, yes"

>>1802008
>Just adjust for actual luxury goods so it s balanced.

>Followers
"The very definition of luxury is likely to change. If both a regular omlette and a 'gourmet' cost similar energy credits for example.

Luxury will mean things which could be authentically made or unique, difficult to replicate, or just things which cost a lot of energy to use. It may also be time sensitive things like certain services, time as a resource will always be limited."

>>1802019
This is why we can adjust things as necessary. Go with the flow and make sure the system is balanced in our favour and so it encourages high productivity.

>>1797606
>--Publish Vol. I of our book
Thanks tot he anon who linked them all last thread, wrting up the response.

>>1802004
>But they could not use chips in the NCR, nor would we want them to spread.
Never said that my preferred currency would be Madre chips. That was OP. As I already stated I would most likely have them be abstracted / virtual.

>And making other forms of currency would only really be useful outside of our nation state.
Which is the point of our currency to be frank seeing as we control all production within our nation currently.

>Also I don't see why we would need to make the basics cost anything if we are going to give it to them anyway?
Makes it possible for them to purchase more from us and to sell to us shit they produce. Also makes it possible to trade with other nations accurately.

You are conceiving of cost where none would exist. Merely a concept of equivalent value to enable for surplus to be returned for units.

>And what is wrong with the fiat money anyway?
Hyperinflation and allowing for governments to print money.

>We could have it represent a set amount of energy/resources and have it tied to game-world items, if that is what you want.
That is literally what I am describing.

>The point that with the "credits" they get a little bit for doing their jobs and more if they do their jobs well.
That is part of what I am describing.

>I agree that living conservatively is something good but we can just have the ZAX calculate an appropriate baseline to build on to get that.
Except it isn't conservative living that is the goal. It's encouraging additional labour or self-improvement.

>And if we are talking about travel money we will have to buy the NCR dollar in anyway.
True but we'll need a way to convert our people's labour into money they can spend. So we can reward harder / "smarter" workers appropriately.

>Or forge them. Also a (lucrative) option.
I was the one who mentioned that as a concept awhile back.

>>1802043
Can we use a Art Boon on it?

>>1802043
>>1801879

>>1801867
>>1801955

>Vote for BoS method.

I think I'm late but fuck that.

>>1802046
So you want us to have virtual money which the citizens trade for NCR dollars with themselves? I would rather suggest we do it centrally. This would also allow us to better negotiate rates for them. Not to mention the fact that some promise of money from engineer joe to people in NCR seems fishy as hell. And if we want that to be a thing we again have to make real money. >>1802046
>Makes it possible for them to purchase more from us and to sell to us shit they produce. Also makes it possible to trade with other nations accurately.

>You are conceiving of cost where none would exist. Merely a concept of equivalent value to enable for surplus to be returned for units.
They get basic power/water/food for free and if they want better stuff they work harder for it. If they want to get NCR money they trade theur credits for dollars with us. And what could we possibly purchase from them? Everything is made by us and we reward intellectual achievements with credits. "Buying" so to speak, the ideas. And if they dont use as much water then that is fine, but that is not something they sell back to us or get compensation for.

>Hyperinflation and allowing for governments to print money.
How is is it inflating if all the credits flow back to us and we decide what we dispense to them. If it is tied to actual power/materials needed for something it can not inflate unless the product itself becomes cheaper and this is something we can combat centrally.

>>1801879
Right environmental

Say something like:
The Commonwealth is more than it's people. It is the soil and water that feeds it. To neglect and abuse the land is to do the same to Commonwealth. The land is our home, and all have the responsibility to care for it.

>>1802074
Sounds good.
Also along the lines of:
To fail to do so would be to fall to the same follies our forefathers have, and damn ourselves to an eternal wasteland.

>>1802043
Also a point o education. With how AI heavy our civ is we should think about using those for learning. Give every child a basic AI (in a tablet form, for example) that learns how the child learns best/what it is best at and builds upon that. So while kids are in class these simple AI would analyze test results (which shouldnt be end all-be all doomsday test but rather roadmarks to figure out what the child is most interested in. Thus giving us a way to start focusing on those skills early on. Think about your highschool topics. How much do you remember now? Not much I expect. But that is ok since you can google it. And the children would also have this opportunity. These AI would both aid and guide the study process as well as provide extra information on demand. Essentially giving full access to our databases (within reason) and an easy way to use them. Work smart not hard type of deal.

This would provide early guidance in studies, a personal mentor to aid in the process and an encyclopedia on top of that. This would not only be useful for kids but adults as well. Integrate it with a pip-boy system and you have a very powerful platform for advancing intellectual pursuits. If the pipboy variant is not an option, incorporate the AI into Alexa systems at first.

>>1802078
sure.

>>1802074
>>1802078
Yeah these are good. Just a small nod to the importance of the environment to our national recovery.

>>1802091
This is the video I was thinking of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vsCAM17O-M

>>1801947
I disagree, keep farming in.