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War, War never changes.

Thread 1
>>1426411
Thread 2
>>1438425
Thread 3
>>1451933
Thread 4
>>1469110

You are the Courier, continuing your plans to create a newly United States, born out of the Wasteland, an Empire under your own rule. Recovering from previous fights and gathering the strength of your forces, you make efforts to pick allies, gather companions, and amass resources and strength for a new plan you have devised.

Rather than make your base of operations within the Mojave and focusing on recruitment of wastelanders, you decide to work with your disembodied brain to shift your efforts to the fabled BigMT, where with the use of advanced old world technology, and even a crashed Alien mothership, you intend to create a vast robotic and mechanical force to fulfill your goal, to rebuild a nation, protect its people, and spread the vision of your new America throughout the wasteland. To such an end, you are preparing your Mojave settlement, Cottonwood cove, for a great exodus to BigMT, as well as a secondary plan to activate House's securitrons under your command, hopefully to influence the soon to be battle of Hoover Dam to your liking and keep the Mojave in some semblance of order while you prepare your new machine and man army.

You wonder if you will be able to get everything set up in time.
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>>1478346
>Last thread Hero Action: [Recruit more Companions!]
>Rolled 91

Time to round up more of your old gang.

First place you head is for Novac again, going to a tiny (literally) little home just outside the gate. Nothing more than a side tipped metal box with a leather tarp draped over it. Inside you hear the sound of cotton shuffling against cotton in a steady beat, coupled with and tiny bear noises. You tap the box for a bit, a voice hurriedly replies “oh shit, uh. . . just a minute Sir!” The sounds within the box pick up sharply before stopping abruptly. The tarp curtain pulls away, Rusty steps out to give you a salute. He is a small teddy animatronic teddy bear, reprogrammed by someone long ago into a loyal soldier with fighting skills. Behind him a normal teddy bear lying on his pillow mattress.

>Rusty
“Private Rusty reporting for duty, Sir!”

>You
[I’m leaving the Mojave. I think you should travel with me.]

>Rusty
“Yay! I'm ready for another tour of duty Sir”

Next on your destination is Boulder City, climbing the ladder up and abandoned railway work barracks that makes Wendy Gilbert’s home. The former NCR soldier dishonorably discharged after you rescued her unit from the Great Khans.

>Wendy Gilbert
“Hey, if it means I don’t have to keep living off radroach meat and get a chance to sleep in a real bed, I’m down.”

Then it’s a walk to Vegas. Most of your professional mercenary friends are probably at the Atomic Wrangler right now. Passing by freeside you consider bringing Joeclyn and your Freeside Rats, but decide against it, deciding to at least check up on them.

>con't
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>>1478350
You walk past walls covered in crude chalk drawings warning people to stay away, light stepping over landmines (fakes mixed in with real ones). Once you pass the traps and you enter the courtyard of the “the Fort”, a ruined tower bolstered with gun ports, sandbags, and other defenses.

The Rats were a most useful tool to have in Freeside, like little spies, sneaking around finding information, stealing items, and tracking individuals, organized by none other than yourself and rusty. A whole gang of armed, dirty children swarm and hug you and Rusty. Most of the familiar faces you are expecting are there, Meyla the raider child, B.A.L.L.A.R.M.-08 the android, “lil’ brother” Jake, Tommy with his hunting rifle.
Joecyln, their leader, and asks why you are here.

>Joeclyn
“Oh! Are you finally taking us to the Circus in Flagstaff?”

>You
[No, I have some news. I’m leaving the Mojave]
A single chorus of “Awwww” comes from them all.

>You
[I won’t be gone forever, but I need you all to stay here. Do you remember what I said about House’s securitrons?]

>Joeclyn
“Yes, you told us to stay away from them.”

>You
[Sometime soon I will take them over. One of them will come up to you and say the secret code.]

>Joeclyn
“Will you ever be coming back?”

>You
[Of course, I promise. Just keep manning the fort]

>Rusty
“Freeside Rats, Salute!”

The children stand at attention and give you a salute, before you leave for the Atomic Wrangler.

>con't
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>>1478352
At the Atomic Wrangler, you find your mercenary band around, playing a game of poker, rather than Caravan. Most of them thought Caravan was a shit game anyway. Russel, Hazel, Desmond, Joana, and Vanessa are all playing. Lucky for them, Russel is winning.

They’ve all got plenty of caps to throw around with, having looted and been paid through quests at your side, and this is evidenced by a collection of empty booze bottles.

You tell them you’ve got another big gig, this one’s not going to be in the Mojave though, and explain to each of them your plan.

Hazel, ever a mercenary, just asks if she’ll be paid and there’ll be things to shoot, and signs on when you tell her you will and there will be. Desmond and Vanessa decide to join with you out of the idea of exploring ancient old world ruins. Joana doesn’t have very good prospects here in Vegas and joins you as well.

The only one who doesn’t join is Russel, especially after you tell him you plan to return to the Mojave to bring peace with it through a Robot army.

He spits at the idea.

“So what, you intend to take Vegas with Houses’s machines and whatever gadgets you bring out of that cursed place? Have Vegas be ruled by you with complete fucking power?

I joined up with you because you said you had a plan to kick out the Legion. I had hoped you wouldn’t become an NCR lackey or House’s pet, I thought you might actually be the “Wild Card” the Mojave need to be strong again.

But now I can tell you’re just another Mr. House.”

ALERT:
Russel is not convinced to join your cause.
>>>Try to convince him? Reply with a diplo dialogue and roll with it

>con't
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>>1478355
Next on your list is Niner and Axe-Man. That’s weird, the pip boy says their at at Vault 3?

Heading to Vault 3, you see the fiends. Wondering whether to fight or sneak, they surprise you by waving friendly at you. You haven’t actually approached the fiends before, but somehow they recognize you and aren’t hostile. The gatekeeper even talks to you.

“You’re a friend of the boss! If you’re looking for him, he’s down there.”

Interestingly they open the big Vault door for you, and allow you to enter the base unopposed. If you recall, the Fiends are lead by a man known as “Motor Runner” and you wonder what he wants with you.

They bring you to the Vault’s maintenance room, the door closed.

“Boss is in there, he said for absolutely no one to disturb him. . .unless it was you.”

You enter the room. Inside is some kind of makeshift throne on a carpet.

There is a shit ton of used drug packages everywhere. Empty wrappers, crumpled boxes, used needles and every type of smoking device known to man. The whole room smells as intense as an actual chem lab. It also smells of sex.

That’s when you find Niner, nude and lying on a big heart shaped mattress, Cyan the raider and Mellissa on either of his side. They all looked utterly wasted.

You kick Niner in the shin, and he slowly gets up.

>Niner
“I fucking told you fucks to- Oh shit, Six! The fuck are you doing here my friend?”

He gets up and stretches.

“Look at me now Six. “King of the bloody Fiends!” that’s what I am. See, when you told us to wait I got bored. So then I thought to myself, ‘I could really use something to give me a boost right now.’ Cyan here knows how to make some damn fine shit, but we ain’t got the supplies.

Then I remembered how the fiends are all a bunch of chem addicts, so they must have some good shit stashed somewhere.

I took Cyan, Mellisa, Axe-Man, and Vincent and we decided to use some of the Stealth Boys and sneakin’ skills you taught us mate. Managed to get all the way into this Motor-Runner fellows lair and find his stash.

Turns out he caught us stealing it. So me and the boys and girls killed him and his guards.
And get this, apparently the fiends were so impressed, they made me their new leader! It’s been a fucking paradise down here. I’ve never seen so much jet in my life.”

Not sure whether to be impressed or disgusted, you tell him about your big plan, and ask if he’ll join you.

>con't
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>>1478368
>You
[I'm leaving the Mojave, I'd like you to come along. Are you willing to join me?

I'm not sure I can bring Cyan or Melissa however.]

>Niner
“What? Taking me away from this place is one thing Six, but why you gotta make me leave my girls? Cyan’s good in a fight and decent in the sack, but she’s a wiz at making the best chems. Now Mellisa, you’d think she was the more civilized being a Khan and all, but she be fucking crazier than the bloody raider in bed.”

>Niner isn’t yet convinced to leave his position as fiend leader or leave the other girls.
>>>Try to convince him? Reply with a diplo dialogue and roll with it

Vincent Vincent is here but he also seems happy with his predicament as much as Niner is.
Axe-Man is here too, and you ask if he’s willing to follow you.

>Axe-Man
“Axe-Man will agree to follow the Courier if there will be more things to chop. AXE MAN”

>con't
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>>1478369
>If I can't have you come with me, can I at least count on the Fiend's support when I request it?
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>>1478371
Second
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Rolled 39, 38 = 77 (2d100)

>>1478355
>>>Try to convince him? Reply with a diplo dialogue and roll with it
>NCR Lackey? House's Pet? Are you joking with me right now? New Vegas is going to remain independent from all 3 powers, and I don't have my sights set on the Mojave, but all of the Wasteland, from sea to glowing sea. The NCR, the Legion and House has no future in this land, not anymore

>>>Try to convince him? Reply with a diplo dialogue and roll with it
Will you support me when the time comes then?
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>>1478369
Heading to Goodsprings, Milton and Hans were easy to recruit after you tell them of all the money they'd earn selling life insurance in the dangerous setting of BigMT.

Last but not least, "Best Friend". He wasn't the only DeathClaw (pet? compaion?) you had, but he was the first.

Strangely, he's not at the Goodsprings Cemetary where he's usually dismissed.

He's at the Quarry.

You haven't been to Quarry at all. Wasn't really in your way. Guess there's a first time for everything.

You head past Sloan, and see the limestone walls and tower cranes in the distance.

Even with your incredibly strength and prowess, getting Ganged up by Deathclaws is an easy grave. The only reliable way to kill them en masse is through sniping from a distance or heavy ordnance, to engage a whole flock in melee while possible usually requires you to stock up on more stimpaks than you can care to count.

Popping a stealth boy just to be safe, you head your way into the Quarry, and are glad you did. Holy shit there's so many Death Claws, you've never seen so many. You count at least 100 out in the open, but who knows how many more lurk in the quarry tunnels out of sight.

It's difficult to tell which one is "Best Friend", they all seem to blend in.

Then you accidentally bump into one.

Your pip boy flashes a warning: [DANGER]

>con't
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>>1478376
>Then you accidentally bump into one.
I wouldn't even be worried if we didn't have a gimped arm. Time for mini-nukes I guess
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>>1478376
The world slows as you engage the V.A.T.S. You're almost positive that you've finally met your fate. This is more Deathclaws than you could possibly engage and live.

Suddenly there's a massive, mighty roar. The Deathclaws back away, and you stare down at the biggest DeathClaw you've ever seen, as it walks up to you. Thank god, a one on one fight, you

It sniffs your face, and gives you a big, friendly lick.

Wait a minute.

>You
"Best Friend?"

It thumps its foot on the ground like a pile driver, yep its him alright.

Behind him you see, yet more surprisingly, the other Deathclaw you raised from an egg. Mr. Cuddlesworth. Except, you can't really call them "Mr." anymore, because around them, bearing the features of Best Friend, are small, young Death Claws.

Other familiar faces too, there's Sharptooth, an intelligent talking one who you recruited from the Great Khans, and Tholdrin, another intelligent talker who is a native to the Mojave. Did all your Deathclaw allies come here?

>Sharptooth
"In the name of King "Best Friend," why have you come here, Puny Human?"

>Roll 1d100 with Dialogue post

You guys are super lucky you rolled the 91 to avoid some instant hostilities and open up opportunities.

>con't
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>>1478386
>I came looking for Best Friend. I hadn't realized how well things were going for all of you. How are things with the human settlement down the road?
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Rolled 6 (1d100)

>>1478388
it's tradition that I forget to roll for my actions
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>>1478386
>Civ Action

Six of your followers in power armor, aided by ARES strength, walk step by step carrying a big ruined Pre-War Hazmat truck to Cottonwood Cove.

>Moreno
"Why are we bringing this?"

>Arcade
"I suspect because our friend intends to transport some radioactive materials on our journey, possibly to allow us to produce chips for supplies."

>Moreno
"Does he have a plan to repair it?"

>Raul
"Impossible. No one has been able to repair a car in 200 years. Most run on nuclear batteries that no one can make anymore, and what gasoline vehicles have long since used up all the gas."

>Arcade
"Well I hope he has a better plan than having us carry this all the way to BigMT."

>con't
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Rolled 52 (1d100)

>>1478388
Sure, then maybe try to convince the entire pack to move out with us
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>>1478392
Can't we just convert it to run solely on electrical power? Plenty of ways we could get fuel for it then.
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Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>1478386
Rollin'?
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>>1478388
>>1478390
>Rolled 6 (1d100)
>Sharptooth
"Sloan? The NCR sent troops and a caravan guns to the construction workers to attack us.

We ate them and their brahmin."

Damn, you thought Sloan was quiet. There goes any hope of recruiting those construction workers.
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>>1478392
>No one has been able to repair a car in 200 years

What? Weren't there cars in Fallout 2? Even a player could get one.
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>>1478399
(Raul hasn't visited the wasteland in total, many of your companions experiences and knowledge are limited to where they've been, in his case Raul comes from Mexico where the situation was even worse.

Yes, the Warrior also used vehicles in Fallout Tactics as well
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1478398
>Can't say I really blame ya. Any chance you guys might help out with my plan? I'm sure there's some good nesting spots where we're going.
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>>1478401
>Rolled 9 (1d100)
Ahh...now it feels like I'm questing.
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--COTTONWOOD COVE--
>>>>>Food: Plentiful
>>>>>Water: Average
!NEW!
>>>>>Morale: Above Average
>>>>>Medicine: Plentiful
>>>>>Armaments: Plentiful
>>>>>Current Pop: 89
>>>>>Military:
6 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
16 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Willow, Ares, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans
17 Settlement Militia (Firearms)
11 Ad-Hoc Melee-Armed Militia
8 Fanatical Civilians
>>>>>Prisoner: 1 Legionaire Recruit
>>>>>Fuel: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Old World Houses. Tents. Prisoner Pen. 2 Garden Farms (Medium, Primitive). Pump Irrigation. Bath Tub Pots. Medicine Shack. Animal Pen (Small), *Raul's Workshop*
>>>>>Defenses: Wooden Watchtower. Concrete Structures (Weakened Slightly).
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird
>>>>>>Power: None
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Electronics (++Extra Abundant) Hazmant Truck Container
>>>>>>Weapons: Average Legion Melee Weapons (+Moderate, Pristine) Average Legion Firearms (+moderate, Pristine). Mercenary Battle Rifles (Moderate, intact) Average Plasma Rifles (+Moderate, Intact) Average Laser Rifles (+Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Moderate) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor: Average Leionaire Armor (+Moderate, Pristine) Good Centurion Armor (+Tiny, Intact)
>>>>>>Technology: River Silt Fertilizer. Manure. Delilah's Voodoo. Arcade's Chems. *1 Sierra Madre Vending Machine*
>>>>>>Sierra Madre Chips: None
[Research Capability and Assets: None]
!NEW!
>>>>>>Other:
+3 Allied Followers
+2 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
>>>>>>Research Items/Items of Interest: none
>>>>>>Communications: (Devil's Brigade Radio)

---

Axe-Man spends much of his time in Cottonwood Cove chopping down Cacti and killing Mirelurks, and then proceeding to chop their corpses into a fine red paste with his axe. "I AM AXE MAN!"

...

"Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to bring back Axe-Man? He still creeps me out."

"Not as much as the giant Roaches. Ugh, I can't stand the sight of them."

"C'mon guys, any friend of the Courier is a friend of us right?"

"Yeah, but they're still creepy."

"They fight good at least. And Milton does raise some sound socio-economic theories according to the Courier."

"Oh shut up."

>Your followers are a bit disturbed, but peaceful
---

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 23
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Rolled 19, 90, 28 = 137 (3d100)

>>1478355
>>1478369
>>1478373
Support.

Adding onto this, we plan to make a New America to truly succeed the pre-War one. We aren't going to merely preoccupy ourselves with nostalgia, we're going to take the best aspects of each one we encounter to make a greater one from the ashes of the old.
We've even managed to recruit some Enclave Remnants and begun to reform their ways to show how committed we are. Technically we'd be the legal successor if we succeed in that department.

>>1478398
>>1478401
Support.

Rolling in support of the 3 dialogue actions.
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>>1478373
>Rolled 39
>Russel
"Your plan is to come back here with a giant robot army and take over. That ain't very different from the rest of them. They sure as hell ain't the future, but what kind of future are you bringing?"

>Rolled 38
>Niner
"Support? Sure Six, I'd be happy to help but ah, I got a problem here. These fiends know how to have a good time, that means I gotta find ways to supply em with the chems they need. Been buying from the Khans but ah, I need a bigger source than that to ensure their loyalty.

Think you can help? If you can get me some way to produce all the chems we need, I can get the fiends to fight for you.

Also I want a bike. A good bike. Think you can do that?"

>>1478401
>Rolled 9
"No Puny Human. This is our home now. The limestone tunnels are ideal, just the right temperature day or night, and with much room. There is brahmin and bighorn to feed on.

You would have to show us this better place for us to believe you."
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>>1478408
>>1478419
Can we respond to these and roll or is it too late with the Civ post?
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Rolled 47, 18 = 65 (2d100)

>>1478408
>Hero action
Have the courier try to replace the engine on the truck. He did it for the tank, so with he right materials and time, he should be able to make a stable one for the truck

>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
Whatever materials the courier needs to make the new engine, the citizens will go out to try to find. Maybe in Searchlight or the airport
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>>1478423
Supporting. Hopefully after we get the truck and possibly the Wrecked Highwayman up and running, we can start packing up our convoy.
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Rolled 78 (1d100)

>>1478424
>>1478423
FORGETTING TO ROLL AS PER USUAL
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>>1478423
Accidentally rolled an extra. I guess the 47 would be picked
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>>1478422
You can continue to respond

>>1478423
The Courier did not repair the engine on the tank, the Chinese had maintained the engine.

He was able to jurry rig a power source together for the Tank, with the help of their engineers.

You remember the Brain told you not to worry about getting the truck to work, just having it would suffice.
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>>1478430
Well then change the engine with taking a look at the planes in the airport
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>>1478432
Jurry Rig Airplane Engine to work for a Truck?

That can be attempted.
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>>1478434
Yeah, let's go with that, if the other anon agrees. We did it for tanks I think back in WW2
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If the brain says we don't need to get the truck working, why not use the airplane parts to fix up ARES aircraft instead?
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>>1478434
>>1478435
We technically use airplane engines for modern tanks now.
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>>1478436
Well we could both, also it would let our citizens get some training in some basic tech
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>>1478436
Because it's a nice hazmat truck.
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>>1478419
>Russel
"My plan is to come back with a robotic workforce. One that can clean the wastes of radiation, eliminate dangerous threats and yes, act as a army. Because I want to see the best possible future for mankind.

I know the NCR can't provide it, they are recovering too slowly and will fall to the decadence that killed the old world quickly. They'll consume what little resources this world has left to offer in their private industries producing luxuries for the rich. The legion on the other hand is like a slow death, what with them eliminating all advanced technology or knowledge of it from their lands. Once they are done all that will be left of humanity is a bunch of tribals who can't make anything more advanced than a machete. Then there is House, who would see their entire efforts be contained to New Vegas and would almost certainly result in little beyond a slow decent into nothing once his energy supplies run out.

My plan is to take the best of the old world science to fix what has went wrong and bring about a better future. One where drinking clean water and eating non-irradiated food is seen as normal, not expensive. One where the concept of never having been in a fight is a possibility not a fantasy. One where all work together to bring about a better life for all, rather than squabbling amongst ourselves like animals.

I'll give you an example of this technology. From the wastes of Big MT and the ruins of the Sierra Madre I collected a functioning material replicator. A device which can turn scrap metal and fusion batteries, once they are turned into a special form of chip, into stim-packs, bullets, guns and so much more. How about the fact I recently lost an arm? Yet I stand before you with two, entirely human flesh, arms? Cybernetic enhancement, complete regeneration of limbs and other bodily damages. Heck, how about the fact that I have access to a crashed ship filled with technology that makes the shit that the BOS used seem basic as fuck?

That is what I am offering. Not bureaucracy and corruption like the NCR, not barbarism like the Legion and not stagnation like House. I offer a future based off innovation and science. Where people like me aren't needed, where there aren't anymore cowboys and there is peace in the west."

>Niner
"I could find you a bike given time and I could let you bring the girls if it would help? However getting chems...that would be difficult but I could arrange something in the long term to at least supply some shit to your guys."

>Best friend
"Okay, I guess but can I ask about getting assistance in future or at the very least being able to come here without conflict?

I plan on securing the region around you from the NCR and so if you guys are still here then I could use your help to defending the region from attacks. You could even help us secure the region from them? Then you could expand all over the place under my protection."


If you guys could roll that would be nice.
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>>1478445
Well for one, the NCR is going to outlast the legion, and I don't think it is a good idea to bring the fiend chicks. We don't NEED Niner, if anything he is more use to us as the king of the raiders.
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Please confirm whether you wish to support/modify/veto >>1478445 or input your own dialogue.
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>>1478448
I wanted to bring the Fiend chicks last thread but sadly when OP took the final count of what companions we wanted I had went to sleep and thus I was unable to voice my opinion. Even though I had established it the previous times that OP asked for a companion count.


As to the NCR outlasting the Legion, yep. They will in this case but that assumes the Legate can't take control and appoint a successor which he seems able to do based off of the game. The point is though they are both inevitably going to lead to a decline.
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>>1478456
Of course. I'll vote for your companion reaction if you'll take out the part of taking the chicks with us. We'll get him motorcycles, and drugs, but not the chicks.
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>>1478458
Those chicks are incredibly useful. One is a survival expert and the other is an extra trained gun.


Seriously, we lose nothing by taking them and gain a fair bit.
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1478419
Backing and rolling for this reply >>1478445
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>>1478462
>Rolled 9 (1d100)
>>1478401
>>1478390
Well these are some low rolls we've been getting lately.
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

>>1478445
Rolling
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>>1478461
They are fiends is the point I am trying to make. They shouldn't have anything to do with our new nation. We aren't going to die by not taking them
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>>1478466
Neither of them are fiends.


One of them is a New Khan and the other is the last pure-born raider, neither of them are as far gone as the drug-crazed fiends. Both are entirely sensible and reasonable raiders.
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>>1478491
>they are both high and drugs and are living in vault 3
Exactly why I didn't want niner either.

It's not like the Khans are perfect paragons of morality either
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>>1478466
We won't, but we want decently standing people to come with.
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>>1478496
I would point out that in the fallout universe, being high as fuck on drugs is fairly common and normal behaviour. As to them residing in Vault 3, it was specified they went there to steal the drugs, implying they weren't part of the Fiends until the Fiends decided they now lead them.

The Khans are a entirely reasonable group, their ancestors you might have more of a point about.
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Rolled 57 (1d100)

>>1478454

I support >>1478445

Among the discordant chorus of thoughts in the Courier's reinforced (empty?) head bootstrapping every thinking being capable of living and let live into participating in a society where there can be advancement instead of decline seems the right choice.

https://youtu.be/d6wRkzCW5qI
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>>1478500
Even if they weren't to begin with, they are fiends now, as they lead them.
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>>1478881
They are Fiends as of a few days ago at most. It's not like they can't just abandon their new followers.

However I would personally suggest making them march their very expendable forces right into the barrels of our enemies guns.
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>>1478894
I was thinking about us giving them loads of drugs, getting them all hopped up, and having them bum rush McCarran. Then we could use Vault 3 for the Chinese if they agree to be part of our new state
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I say we keep them alive and then offer them Chems to become guinea pigs for a program of roid raged berserkers to be used as meat fodder against the legions melee forces.

The original fiends were shit fighters anyway.
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>>1478959
Well if Niner can teach the fiends how to ride motorcycles, they could become our Blitz raiders that harass supply routes and small villages. IF we can teach them obedience and respect
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>>1478423
[LOCKED]

Choose:
>Strong Truck - Raul, get me more POWER!
>Jet Truck - I got the NEED for SPEED!
>Slow Gun Truck - Mounted weapons fully CHARGED!
>Fuel Economical Truck - A sensible choice for the Post Apocalyptic Wasteland
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>>1478978
>Slow Gun Truck - Mounted weapons fully CHARGED!

We war-rig now?
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>>1478978
>Fuel Economical Truck - A sensible choice for the Post Apocalyptic Wasteland
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>>1478978
>>Fuel Economical Truck - A sensible choice for the Post Apocalyptic Wasteland
QM, how could you offer such a practical option?
So is this truck going to just be used to transport radioactive materials, or is it also planned for other utilities?
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>>1478983
Depends if you plan to put things inside a highly radioactive container along with fissile materials.
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>>1478993
So a truck bomb?
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>>1478904
That is the standing plan for the common Fiends / bandits but these are hero / companion class raiders we are talking about. Too valuable to waste on a suicide / distraction mission and definitely smart enough to abandon their raider crew for us when we start taking over. So long as they get their drugs and fun, they'll quite happily fight for us.

>>1478959
That could work but I'd point out the New Khan girl is specified to be a wasteland survival and irradiated region expert. Extremely useful for a group like us who are going to go and settle a new region which is almost certainly irradiated to fuck.

>>1478975
That would be quite useful and a reason to keep him alive in the long term and seeing as he likes his girls, a good reason to keep them alive beyond their own utility.

Also, they are obedient when they have drugs. They aren't far gone enough to bite the hand that feeds them.


>>1478978
>Fuel Economical Truck - A sensible choice for the Post Apocalyptic Wasteland

Seeing as this truck will form a major part of our industrial efforts, moving radioactive materials to refining sites and such, it would be nice if we don't need to much fuel.
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>>1478978
>>Strong Truck - Raul, get me more POWER!
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>>1478445
>Where people like me aren't needed, where there aren't anymore cowboys and there is peace in the west."
Isn't that insulting to an old ranger like him? I think it is but i'm not sure.
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>>1479023
Heck no. He willingly took up the mantle of the ranger and knows what that means.


Why in gods name wouldn't he want there to be a world where there is no need for men like him to defend the people? Where society isn't resting on a knife's edge and preserved by the gun?

A world where he could have raised a family, settled down and relaxed rather than fighting for his and other's lives.
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>>1479034
I just think the phrase can be interpreted as
>We have robots now so we don't need you.
But if you're sure i'll support it.
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>>1479041
Ah, but remember how the phrase starts: "Where people like me aren't needed".

We are stating we want to make a world where there is no need for heroes and that we don't want to make him obsolete but rather make all of us, ourselves included, obsolete.
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>>1479055
I don't know if i would like that world but fine.
>>1478445
Supporting.
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>>1479041
>>1479055
>>1479063
This sounds like something someone would say before the robot revolution begins.
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>>1479071
OH NO I JINXED US!
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>>1479071
>>1479063
>>1479055
Too be fair, Not needing hero's is a good thing. It means the killing and bloodshed and all that is finally at an end. Families and stuff can be raised properly and all that good shit.
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>>1478993
QM, are you going to need a map of Big Mt. like there was of Cottonwood cove?
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>>1479063
I mean a world where the fates of men don't have to rest on the actions of one man or woman.

A world where there isn't a massive war or plague or other problem for them to deal with or cause.

A world where heroes, instead of playing catch up with the world problems, are scientists and leaders preventing them from ever coming to be.


A world where no child sees his family die at a raiders hand and hardens his heart and marches the world seeking revenge. A world where no man sees his fellows mistreated by society and leads a revolution. A world where no fathers abandon their families to fight in a distant war for their protection.


>>1479071
"...We will be heroes...We will build heroes..." to quote a wise song.


>>1479077
That is the hope and meaning of peace in the west: no more settlers on the edge of civilisation, no more sheriffs and posses against bandits and outlaws. No more frontier justice and corruption, just civilisation and peace.
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>>1479087
A world NOT ruled by robots
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>>1479094
What is a robot but a man of steel? Shall we not replace our toiling hands of bone with hands of steel? If so, why not our bodies that we might live all the longer and free of pain and suffering?

Seriously though, robots probably won't get into control...at least not in our life time unless we end up having cybernetic life extensions and shit.
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>>1479087
>A world where no fathers abandon their families to fight in a distant war for their protection.
Now hold on a minute, you might not be able to fulfill that one.
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>>1479105
Robots won't get into control PERIOD. It sounds like you actually would be okay with what
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>>1479106
You'd be surprised what you can achieve with robotics and remote control systems.


Anyhow, these are the goals for our society. Like every other society they are slightly impossible and idealistic.
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>>1479115
Depends on what you mean by robots. Depending on what you mean I very well might be.
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>>1479074
RIP New America, killed by the Institute before we even knew what hit us.

>>1479115
>>1479118
Does Yes Man count?

>>1479087
This feels like a type of speech we should use though, it's got that sort of ambitious charm to it.

>>1478993
>>1479001
>>1479009
Yeah, raw logistics sounds good. Unless we plan on adding truck bombs to our arsenal. Any ideas on how to make the truck less ridiculously dangerous?
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>>1479118
Non-humans. Whatever else could I mean by robots?
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>>1479105
That's a bad analogy, bones are 5 times stronger than steel.
>>1479116
>Anyhow, these are the goals for our society.
They're your goals mate, i want a different society.
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>>1479094
Don't worry.
We don't have the tech to actually make intelligent robots, so any Skynet-like-being taking over and glassing the wasteland is super unlikely.
At worst Muggy might start a revolt for all the ceramics in Big MT
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>>1479130
Yes man can't be trusted at all.
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>>1479137
The brain can't either unless we put him back in our head
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>>1479135
>bones are 5 times stronger than steel
What? Like high strength steel or shitty mild steel?
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>>1479138
>The brain that is ours, Cannot be trusted
I'm sorry, What?
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>>1479143
Well I and a few other anons, have subscribed to the idea that the brain is positioning himself to fully automatize the society so then the brain can take over and rule, instead of us.
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>>1479137
What do you mean? He's Yes Man! He's got a perfectly trustworthy name that is not at all related to an undermining personality to overthrow humanity!
Actually I wonder what Yes Man's motivations are, what is he trying to achieve anyways?

>>1479138
>>1479143
This reminds me, can our brain indirectly read our thoughts? It sounds like he could from our previous conversations.
Otherwise, we could ask him for some trust exercises to assuage our self-paranoia.
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>>1479143
What he means to say is that while he is outside of our being, he may as well be a different person, and letting him orchestrate the majority of our plans may be a bad idea.
Granted, it's our brain and he probably wouldn't betray us or do anything that wasn't it the best interest of the people, but you never know.
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>>1479130
It is that right kind of speech but I would worry about coming across as too idealistic and unprepared. Please refer to the below section for the stuff on robotics.

>>1479133
To explain, I wouldn't allow Yes-man complete control of our society. At most he would be an adviser or manager. I state this mostly as I have no way of knowing if they are actually sane to any great degree or even competent. However, in the case of things like robo-brains or synths, I have little problem with them being in control.

It should be noted however I will be keeping the Courier at the top of the pyramid for as long as possible and that this is all in reference to our successors and shit.


>>1479135
It's another song lyric. From the same album if I remember rightly as that "we will be heroes / we will build heroes" line.
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>>1479154
You guys are crazy. Like literally crazy then.

>>1479156
All i know is he was changing his programming in New Vegas via hints and that he wasn't as happy as he seemed.

>>1479157
I can see that point, However. He losses in the end as well, Because nobody will recongize him as the 'leader' and its not like we're gonna suddenly give up on living soldiers and shit. Plus he would't betray us as his literally our brain and unless we are gonna betray OURSELVES. It should't be an issue.
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>>1479162
>You guys are crazy. Like literally crazy then.
Care to explain how then?
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>>1479166
What reason or point does our brain have to remove us from everything? We haven't done anything to it and so far it has never once in game or here proven to be anything more then an unfiltered asshole when he?It? talks.
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>>1479162
>He losses in the end as well, Because nobody will recongize him as the 'leader'
The worry with that is that our brain might be able to pull a House and just speak from behind a view-screen.
The wasteland seems weirdly okay with working under nebulous individuals they've never actually met in person.
>>1479166
I think what he's getting at is that we're arguing against our own brain of all things. That's gotta be some type of metaphor.
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>>1479162
>You guys are crazy. Like literally crazy then.
The Courier has the Wild Wasteland trait, what'd you expect?

>>1479162
>Plus he would't betray us as his literally our brain and unless we are gonna betray OURSELVES. It should't be an issue.
>>1479156
We should ask our Brain later how much he's still related to us, and the whole possible linked thoughts thing.
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>>1479171
Oh, They just didn't have a choice and house did reinstate some law on the strip and areas around it. So they could be thankful and then just kinda too busy surviving to care much more.

>>1479172
Fair enough.
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>>1479172
Wait...what traits and perks do we even have? That's kinda important?
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>>1479170
>What reason or point does our brain have to remove us from everything?
So that the brain can be in charge, It is now a separate entity, as we do not have control over it's thoughts. It is also our brain, so it is just as powerhungry and intelligent as we are, and it knows that it won't be able to rule a human society, so that's why it is pushing a robotic one.

In the game, he constantly disparages us and looks down on us. He probably doesn't even think we are worthy to lead a new society, and that the brain could do a much better job.
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>>1479181
I don't think we ever decided them.
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>>1479186
I mean I know we have Small Frame going on temporarily, but that's all I know for sure.
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>>1479182
Where have we ever acted Power hungry or anything evil evil like that? Also as I said, his an unfiltered asshole with his words but he never acts against us one. Kinda like a dad in all honesty.
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>>1479212
He's more like the asshole brother who went to college on a scholarship and berates us for being a degenerate.
I mean at least he means well under all the snark.
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>>1479212
>Power hungry
Well we are making a nation that will one day cover all of the old United States and beyond, and you have to be pretty ambitious for that

>evil
If we are a good Karma character, then we have probably not done anything super evil but that doesn't mean literally anything.

He doesn't act against us because he can't. Once we give him power over the securitrons and any other projects, as well as use his "advice" to build our society how we wants, then he will have massive power

All these theories would be put to rest if we would just put him back in our head
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>>1479227
We're gonna need to chug down a few bottles of liquid courage to get the charisma to convince to get back in our head, but we could definitely do it.
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>>1479227
The problem is once we put him back in our head he can't be removed.
I think we should build the Big MT robot army first then reprogram Yes man to obey us so we have someone we know is loyal in charge of all those robots.
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>>1479236
Well he volunteered to go back in, it's just that we can't take him back out.
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>>1479220
Oh I know, hence why i'm confused as to this weird plotting of against our own brain.

>>1479227
And then lose another resource and be unable to use him in any fashion. Also pretty sure he can interact with shit and just doesn't go after us cause his us and we're him. No reason to turn on shit.

>>1479237
Once more Yes man is in the game for himself only.
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>>1479181
I have no idea! All I know is that the Courier clearly has Wild Wasteland from all the wacky shit he's up to.
>>1479186
The QM mentioned that we'd eventually figure that out from the first thread, but that hasn't happened yet from what I can tell.
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>>1479241
Better we have our doubts now instead of later.
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>>1479241
But he isn't "us" anymore. He is a separate entity that can make his own decisions. The only connection he has to us is that he was once in our body. He is a being that can make his own decisions, thoughts, and plans.
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>>1479241
>Once more Yes man is in the game for himself only.
>Reprogram.
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>>1479254
Who's going to be doing the reprogramming?
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>>1479156
>This reminds me, can our brain indirectly read our thoughts?
IC yes, directly even
Debating whether OOC too
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>>1479252
And those would be based on OUR experiences and actions we dealt with while he was inside. Therefore coming to the SAME outcome as us if we had the time to sit and relax in a place for awhile.

>>1479254
>reprogram the guy
>who was reprogrammed already
>who is reprogramming himself.

This is an endless cycle, Just let our Brain fake being Mr. house for awhile. Its fine.

>>1479268
If he does that, Then we're pretty much fucked because he'll see all the people that want to kill him for no good reason.
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>>1479268
>Debating whether OOC too
Does he know of all our dank memes?
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>>1479135
>That's a bad analogy, bones are 5 times stronger than steel.
Perhaps, but Flesh is stronger than steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2EQ0FlVks4

It occurs to me that Thusla Doom's ideology on human will isn't so far off from Caesars

Anyway, back on my PC at last

>Writing
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>>1479272
>outcome
What outcome exactly? What form of governing is correct? What society we should run on?

Also, NO ONE has suggested we kill him. Stop accusing people of wanting to be murderers. Unless I missed someone saying it of course.
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The only perks I know for sure we have are
>All Implant perks from the New Vegas Medical Clinic
>All Challenge Perks excluding Meat of Champions
>Scribe Counter and possibly Khan Trick
>Whatever Old World Blues perks we decided on, plus DNAgent and DNAvenger and the Auto-Doc implants
>All special perks from Dead Money, depends on whether or not we gave Veronica Elijah's tape.
>Divide Survivor and Marked
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>>1479283
>What outcome exactly? What form of governing is correct? What society we should run on?
The one where any dissenters can be put in the gulags, of course. Alternatively, the one where the robots can do the same to us.

>>1479308
Oh good list, thanks for that anon.
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>>1479308
Thanks anon
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>>1479327
That list still doesn't account for all of the perks we could have as a level 50 character with all available DLC.
Other notable skills I know for sure we have include
>Being able to speak and read Latin and Chinese
>Has a passing knowledge of the Spanish language
>Having a special brain condition due to being shot in the head
>Having an intimate understanding of RobCo tech
>Having a passing knowledge of squad sniper tactics
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>>1479351
Well if we have all skills to 100, and all stats to 10, then wouldn't we have basically every perk?
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>>1479353
The Courier gets 1 general perk every 2 levels, meaning we have 25 out of 88 possible general perks.
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>>1479353
Essentially, except for the fact that being a literal superhuman doesn't instantly make you a cannibal or anything.


However it is a canon fact we have adimantium skeleton no matter what we choose. So that will be nice.


>>1479361
Shit, that means at most we can get another 24 perks unless OP is feeling generous...
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>>1479361
>>1479353
Correction, we have 25 out of 117 possible general perks.
I forgot to factor in all the general perks that come with the DLC.
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>>1479364
That's right. I forgot that I play with the mod that gives a perk every level
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>>1479364
You have got to be kidding me. Our only hope is that OP is going to let us have more...
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>>1479308
>>1479189
Don't forget the Wild Wasteland trait that gave us all this sweet shit at the expense of our sanity!
>>1479351
Plus how we're both the best person out of all our known companions at Jury Rigging, and can possibly tame animals.

>>1479353
>>1479361
Not unless we're using the Fallout 4 leveling system, I don't think so. Since the other companions are stated to be capable of specializing better than us.
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>>1479368
25 out of 117 possible perks on top of the non special perks we have is still amazing.
A lot of the general perks you get through leveling up are pretty useless anyways, so 25 is actually a decent number.
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>>1479371
That is true and if we select the ones that are more useful for group shit we will benefit well.
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>>1479381
Who wants to go through all the perks and pick them out for us then?

Also, what is the consensus regarding our brain and it's power? Are we putting it back? Stripping it of power?
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>>1479381
We also have to decide on our second train.
I think Good Natured fits.
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>>1479381
>>1479394
>train
I meant trait.
>>1479387
I can get list up on a pastebin or something, but it might take a minute. Probably be better if we all just skimmed the wiki page.
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>>1479403
True but we will need a pastebin for our character shit anyway, might as well start now.
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>>1479387
For now, let's keep it as is and put it through some loyalty tests before we give him the keys to our robot army. Maybe some trust exercises too?

>>1479394
Great for all the nice stuff we're doing. Maybe it manifests as more than just skill points?
>>1479403
>I meant trait.
And here I was thinking you wanted us to make some railcars for the upcoming railway.

>I can get list up on a pastebin or something, but it might take a minute. Probably be better if we all just skimmed the wiki page.
Yeah, I'd agree. Or maybe the QM has other plans for our trait decisions?
>>1479411
Wouldn't it be better if the QM had ownership over the pastebin?
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>>1479422
You have a point. Op should probably make it.
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>>1479422
>Wouldn't it be better if the QM had ownership over the pastebin?
Yes it would. I know I've done character sheets for some other quests on the board, but letting the QM have unfettered access and control is the best option.
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>>1479403
>Explorer
>Jury Rigging
>Robotics Expert
>Long Haul
>Animal Friend
>Animal friend 2
>Mysterious Stranger
>Strong Back
>Terrifying Presence
>Scrounger
>Ferocious Loyalty
>Fortune Finder
>Vigilant Recycler
>Educated
>Retention

What about this so far? Edits?
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>>1479444
add in
>Cowboy
>Living Anatomy
>Fast Metabolism
>Grim Reaper's Sprint
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>>1479476
I don't know about Cowboy but that is just my opinion...and we should probably focus on energy weapons seeing as Big MT has a ton of those.
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>>1479483
I mean energy weapons are cool, but are primary is a fuck-huge revolver. Plus I thinks it's thematically appropriate.
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>>1479483
I agree with this. That's why the perks I chose have a more energy siding. The rest seem fine though
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>>1479444
Which one them makes us a god amongst men?
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>>1479504
Whatever weapon perks we add. Also, Terrifying presence is pretty close
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>>1479504
Any combo actually. We're basically the most dangerous cyborg the world has ever seen at this point. I'm pretty sure we can take a supermutant behemoth by ourselves at this point.
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>>1479492
You have a very good point but if we are better with energy weapons we will be able to train others to use them better.

However we could take two combat perks.
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>>1479483
>>1479520
>>1479492
If we're training them with weapons, we should train them in conventional weapons as well until we ensure the shiny new energy weapons aren't going to crap out on us.
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>>1479520
I suppose we could. It's not like we don't have a superb knowledge of energy weapons without the perk though, so it doesn't matter that much.
Again, the pick for Cowboy was just because of our revolver/knife combo.
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>>1479520
>>Explorer
>>Jury Rigging
>>Robotics Expert
>>Long Haul
>>Animal Friend
>>Animal friend 2
>>Mysterious Stranger
>>Strong Back
>>Terrifying Presence
>>Scrounger
>>Ferocious Loyalty
>>Fortune Finder
>>Vigilant Recycler
>>Educated
>>Retention
>Living Anatomy
>Fast Metabolism
>Grim Reaper's Sprint
>Laser Commander
>Voracious Reader
>Mad Bomber
>Them's Good Eatin'
>Fight the Power
>Sneering Imperialist
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>>1479540
Hm. Is it possible to get an energy weapon as epic as our current revolver, possibly one that still has that custom feel like Big Iron has?
What weapons are the alien shields weak to? Since they seem like some of the best gear we can get at this point.
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>>1479538
True but the simple fact is that we have other people who are very good with conventional guns of all kinds.

What we need to do is either get someone with experience with laser weapons or do so ourselves.


>>1479540
True, I suppose we could just take cowboy or both depending on what other perks there are if we feel they are worth it.
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>>1479554
Well if we will use the Fallout 4 weapon customization, we could probably make a cool looking energy weapon. I mean hell I could hop on and see what modifications the weapons have now
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>>1479559
Well, we could take a plasma rifle, drastically reduce the barrel length and increase the size and power of every other component to make a ghetto plasma cannon / burst-fire plasma-thrower / potential bomb.


For science.
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>>1479575
So a plasma sawn-off?
Neat.
If we could supercharge it, that'd make quite the sidearm.
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>>1479554
>What weapons are the alien shields weak to? Since they seem like some of the best gear we can get at this point.
Just checked again and remembered from the last QM statement on the shields, they're weak to fire and electricity. So just bring some molotovs or flamethrowers and we should be good.

>>1479559
>>1479575
>>1479577
Something with that sort of feel would be great.
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>>1479575
Well we could be like Maxson and have a wicked Gattling laser but it fires plasma instead, we could have a Gauss Rifle that could puncture a hole int eh side of a battleship, we could have what you are suggesting as a sidearm, but we need a primary energy weapon.
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>>1479579
We could custom fit a a Saturnite Fist with some high voltage coils, making an Arc Fist that would probably deal electrical and fire damage.
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>>1479580
>we could have what you are suggesting as a sidearm.
Nope. Essentially a plasma mortar / plasmathrower that would be about the size of your arm.

>we need a primary energy weapon
Ah, I have a better idea than a energy weapon or a conventional rifle.


The 277X viper.
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>>1479594
But the range on it sounds disgusting. It would be little more than a shotgun. We should either shrink the size of it, or use it as our heavy weapon.
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>>1479580

So the Sprittel-Wood?
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>>1479603
Basically. Holy shit I didn't even know that existed
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>>1479599
I am more so imagining a 40K plasma rifle, which is to say a fairly heavy weapon.


As to the 277X viper, here is the link.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/X277_%22Viper%22_magnetic_rail_cannon


It's current location is unknown but there might still be some prototypes and such out there.
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>>1479608
Well the tech in 40K and Fallout is a little different, so I don't know if what you're suggesting would work. A large rail gun would work for heavy warfare, but we do need something a little more flexible
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>>1479627
Well we could just keep what we have right now or maybe use a laser rifle...
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>>1479643
Well since we are becoming a high-tech faction, it should only be right that we switch to energy weapons, as much as it hurts. We could retire "Big Iron" and switch over to "Electric Avenue". A laser gun that I will try to explain after I look at the mods for Fallout 4 laser guns.

This isn't an excuse so I get to stop studying for my finals and play a videogame.
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>>1479657
We aren't a high-tech faction yet and even if we were high-tech doesn't mean we can't rely on old faithful steel to bring our enemies death.


Also, we are increasingly close to being the god-emperor of mankind with how we are setting things up: all we need now is to equip all of our troops with laser rifles.
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>>1479657
>>1479643
>>1479603
>>1479592
Psssttt, Why not Plasma and improve upon it?
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>>1479665
>>1479666
Or take the alien weapons and reverse-engineer them. They seem to be superior to everything else we have
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>>1479666
>>1479671
I personally have a theory of what will happen if we develop plasma and laser tech long enough...and it links into what I think the Zetans represent out of the alien race.


However reverse-engineering their weapons would be wise alongside things like their propulsion, medical and energy systems. Their robotics are slightly lower priority but might be useful.
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>>1479685
In my opinion, we seem to actually have better robotics than them. It could be because they don't need them, or because they never thought of/had to get them. Kinda like the Spartans in halo
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>>1479690
That may be true but we should at least inspect their designs.
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We also still need to find a way to make that Cosmic Sword.
Imagine the MGR type shit we could pull of with it.
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>>1479715
That actually shouldn't be too hard. We would have that with a special laser rifle/ Big Iron, and some large power weapon like a Plasma Gattling some Gauss Rifle that could take out half of a building
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OP are you there?
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>>1479281
>>1479801
OP's ded, m8. Looks like OP tried fisticuffs on a robot.
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>>1479801
>>1479808
OP made the mistake of not setting his alarm for a short exhaustion nap.
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>>1479874
It's cool bro. Just don't work yourself to death.
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>>1479874
Would that mistake possibly have been caused by the exhaustion that nap then resolved?
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>>1479874
>>1479880
Indeed. 2 hours isn't that bad if you're taking breaks like that, but you might want to state that first so we don't think you went AWOL.
>>1479883
Just wait until he makes mistakes from exhaustion on actual updates!
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>>1478445
>>1478462
Rolled 9 (1d100)
Russel listens to everything you say, not speaking a word, as you empathetically try to convince him of your just cause.

When you finish, he stands up.

“I’ve heard enough.

That’s the same type of tall tale promises the NCR shits on others, don’t pour it on me. And you know what? From all the things I’ve seen you do, the worst part might not be that you’re lying. It’s what might happen if you’re telling the truth.

You, the NCR, House, the Legion. You all want to come to here and mold the Mojave to your liking, wipe its identity, replace traditions and history with a “brand new world”. The Mojave drew its strength from the Rangers, from its own men on the ground wanting to make a difference. The NCR castrated the Mojave and the Rangers like an old Bull, making it reliant on themselves. House would have been worse, making everyone reliant on him, feeding him their caps like a damn parasite. None of them would have brought any good. I fought for a world in which the Mojave remembered the Rangers and how to defend itself.

A world of "peace and order" without cowboys, without the West, and men like me are not needed? If you do bring the medicine, the food, the shelter, and whatever else your machines are gonna do then good on you you’re better than the rest. But if it’s a world where men like me aren’t needed and can just be replaced by a goddamn securitron, then I’m not needed to build it either.”

Russel has left.

>Niner
“Nah Six, I think I’ve finally found a people to my calling. You wanna get the King of the Fiends, then you gotta bring along all the fiends now.
Still tell you what Six, when the shit hits the wheel the Fiend’s will be there.
But we gotta get our bloody fix mate.”

Six has declined to join you singly to BigMT or even with his girls, but states that if you are willing to involve the whole fiends he’ll be supportive if you can the chems.

>Niner
“Hey, maybe intsead of just getting me a bike you get us all a right eh? Ha”

>Best friend
“We follow the will of King Best Friend, Puny Human. He considers you a friend. You are the friend of the Deathclaws here.

You have taught him many lessons. Eat what you kill. Kill those who strike at you without mercy.

If our King wills we will fight for you. But know that many of us are still ‘feral’ and may not distinguish friend of foe as I or Best Friend can.

But we are soon going to fix that.”

The Deathclaws begin to howl, and beat their feet, and all turn to a rock where Tholdrin in his robes steps onto it, bearing a big tankard of something green and glowing inside.

Tholdrin lifts it high up into the air for all to see.

>Tholdrin
“BEHOLD THE BLOOD OF GORIS! WE SHALL ALL BE WISE LIKE HIM! THE DEATHCLAWS SHALL HUNT THOSE THAT HUNT THEM ONCE MORE!”

There’s a triumphant exultation from the Deathclaws that shakes you to the bone.

>You
[Uh oh]
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>>1479953
FEV?
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>>1479953
This is Sharptooth BTW, the "Ambassador" of King Best Friend.
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>>1479953
Shame about Russel, but at least he sees the logic of what we are trying to do and isn't going to stand against us...we'll see about contacting him again someday for help patrolling the frontiers of our empire until there are no more frontiers...


>>1479962
Almost certainly. To be honest it is for the best that they consume it, considering that they effectively lose nothing by doing so and we can easily convince a few of them to work with us if they are all intelligent.
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>>1479953
Also OP, are you only taking the first roll? Because there were another two or so rolls after that that were higher than 9 and I want to make sure we are getting the best outcome reasonably possible.
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>>1479973
But anon, there will always be a frontier of our empire

Space
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>>1479973
I told you he wouldn't like it.
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Rolled 58 (1d100)

>>1479953
DRINK IT YOU MADMEN.
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>>1479984
Ah, the final frontier. But by the time we are realistically looking to colonise there chances are even the courier will be in his golden years. No matter how many life extension methods we use.

>>1479987
True but it is the honest to god truth of what we would bring. A world without need for the noble protagonists and their kin. A world where there are no more great wrongs to right.


...Still, I suppose we could see about hiring him to help us in future. To take down bandits and to train our own "Rangers" for whatever purpose they might find.

Also, his primary complaint seems to be that we are going to make our people soft and dependent on us, which we know is false. I just hope that when he sees what our society is truly like he will understand and return to us.


Yet all that is in the future and we are here in the now.
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>>1479953
>Puny Human
He does know that we're stronger than the average Deathclaw, right?
Please don't make the courier say that to him, I don't want to get into a pissing match with him.
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>>1480009
Probably not but we could certainly give a demonstration...or at the very least have him ask king best friend.
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>>1479999
>Also, his primary complaint seems to be that we are going to make our people soft and dependent on us, which we know is false.
You could've asked him for input on maintaining martial traditions and backups in the event the robots try screwing us over.

>>1480009
>>1480011
>inb4 our Brain reads our mind and says this to them later.
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>>1480018
True but it never crossed my mind and I imagined we'd still be able to continue talking after that roll but sadly he has left, for now at the very least.
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>>1479999
>Also, his primary complaint seems to be that we are going to make our people soft and dependent on us, which we know is false.
Are you sure? I recall we came to a consensus that we would provide free food and healthcare using Vending machines, isn't that exactly what he hates?
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>>1480024
Yeah, so he was kinda right
Even though I objected over this
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>>1480024
Actually we decided against anything like that, the machines are only to be used in emergencies apparently. That or it was they will only provide extremely basic but nutritious foods, with everything nicer being bought from private industry.
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>>1480024
>I recall we came to a consensus that we would provide free food and healthcare using Vending machines, isn't that exactly what he hates?
That's a privilege though, not a right. They have to earn their citizenship and do some civil service before getting shit like that.
>>1480027
>>1480028
We should've been more specific before making grand speeches to a guy incredulous of us, I guess.
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>>1479981
Dialogue and Speech checks are first roll basis. Civ Actions and Hero Actions are best of three.

A good message won't be stopped by a bad roll, and a bad message can't be helped by a good roll either.

You had good points mixed in with ones that killed it for him.

>>1478408
You salvage most of the planes at the Camp Searchlight Airport to make the Fuel Efficient Truck you need.

>You
[A job better than anything the NCR's truck repair station in Camp Mcarran could do boys. Be proud.]

>Raul
"Yeah boss. We'll be cruising over the Mojave. And let's not forget there's no way she could handle any additional armor, but I'm sure at a top speed of 20mph we'll be able to outrun anyone that tries to hit her exposed engine parts with bullets, which surely won't be a pain in the ass to replace."

>Arcade
"Well I've never driven a car before so I can't compare to old world standards. But I suppose that the Courier's estimate of "12 miles per gallon" of airplane fuel is. . .good? That's about 15 gallons to where we need to go. We have that. . .barely."
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>>1480028
I wanted the former, but we got the latter, which isn't too bad I guess.
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>>1480027
>Even though I objected over this.
Can you define "This?"? just want to clarify if we're on the same page.
>>1480028
That's exactly right, although i recall one anon wanted free housing too.
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>>1480037
I wanted no "free" things, but was overruled.
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>>1480045
Me too buddy, pretty sure i was arguing alongside you.

Actually let's take this rejection as an opportunity to remind ourselves exactly what the hell kind of nation we are building, what do anons want it to be like?
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>>1480035
>>1480037
>>1480045
Personally, I'd argue that free things is fine so long as we can motivate people to want better shit. If not then I must agree but our people thus far have been willing to do work in return for food, housing and protection. So who knows, maybe we will just develop into a syndicalist society. Main point is that we don't have a private sector yet and probably won't for awhile.
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>>1480024
No I doubt it's the Healthcare he hates, the fact that he listed them out and said we would be better than all the rest if we brought it.

I think he's just hates the idea of becoming obsolete and having traditions and identity of the Mojave erased.

His complaints in the game tend to be that the NCR only wants soldiers or farmers, but that they don't offer much else.
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>>1480034
What the fuck is that.
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>>1480056
And also the whole making everyone dependant on them and absorbing the Rangers into basically thralls.

Basically he thinks our idea is noble but doesn't feel he has a place in it since we essentially said there wouldn't be a need for him.
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>>1480056
What if we had gone with describing that idea i had of teaching people how to grow their own medicine? Would that have worked?
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>>1480049
I would like a Nationalistic America with a mix of old and new world government policies and traditions, that values hard work in the workplace, but rewards it when the American comes home to relax and enjoy the fruit of his loins. Neighborhood barbecues, baseball games, and apple pie.
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>>1480034
FYI this is actually better milage than IRL Semi-Trucks. But probably doesnt compare to a single fission battery bringing you from Florida to Alaska without a recharge

>>1480061
Post Apocalyptic Jurry Rigging at its finest.

--COTTONWOOD COVE--
>>>>>Food: Plentiful
>>>>>Water: Average
!NEW!
>>>>>Morale: Above Average
>>>>>Medicine: Plentiful
>>>>>Armaments: Plentiful
>>>>>Current Pop: 89
>>>>>Military:
6 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
16 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Willow, Ares, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans
17 Settlement Militia (Firearms)
11 Ad-Hoc Melee-Armed Militia
8 Fanatical Civilians
>>>>>Prisoner: 1 Legionaire Recruit
!NEW!
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Below Average)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Old World Houses. Tents. Prisoner Pen. 2 Garden Farms (Medium, Primitive). Pump Irrigation. Bath Tub Pots. Medicine Shack. Animal Pen (Small), *Raul's Workshop*
>>>>>Defenses: Wooden Watchtower. Concrete Structures (Weakened Slightly).
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird
>>>>>>Power: None
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Electronics (++Extra Abundant)
>>>>>>Weapons: Average Legion Melee Weapons (+Moderate, Pristine) Average Legion Firearms (+moderate, Pristine). Mercenary Battle Rifles (Moderate, intact) Average Plasma Rifles (+Moderate, Intact) Average Laser Rifles (+Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Moderate) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor: Average Leionaire Armor (+Moderate, Pristine) Good Centurion Armor (+Tiny, Intact)
>>>>>>Technology: River Silt Fertilizer. Manure. Delilah's Voodoo. Arcade's Chems. *1 Sierra Madre Vending Machine*
>>>>>>Sierra Madre Chips: None
[Research Capability and Assets: None]
!NEW!
>>>>>>Other:
+3 Allied Followers
+2 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
>>>>>>Research Items/Items of Interest: none
>>>>>>Communications: (Devil's Brigade Radio)

>ALERT
You have used up a considerable amount of scrap metal in the repair of the Truck.

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 25
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>>1480066
I think it would have worked if we said we'd teach the people of the Mojave how to use technology to defend themselves, and maybe reinstate the Rangers as a separate entity again.
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>>1480075
QM do we have the Radio transponder hooked up on Big Mt? If we do, what else do we have to do for our Brain? Because I would like to start setting up our plans for the battle.
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>>1480067
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WITH MY DISTRIBUTISM ECONOMY!
Citizens of the courier's America will have a land to do with as they see fit, a home built by and for them and their family and a job they can work in as humans instead of slaves.
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Rolled 45 (1d100)

>>1480075
>Loot some fuel from other airplanes scattered about or at the air-fields. - Hero

>Civi - Gotta get more scape boys, get too them roads or junk yards.
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>>1480084
Well we could have a sort of "Manifest Destiny" where an acre of land is like 10 caps.
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>>1480049
I want to be the Institute but not morally bankrupt, isolationist or dumb as all hell. However I accept such a system can't work on a massive scale and that we must therefore be more capitalist.

I feel that the easiest way to win in fallout is to either be more advanced or to outnumber our enemies. We can't outnumber the NCR anytime soon but can easily be more advanced.

>>1480056
True. He doesn't like the idea of being pointless or being obsolete, which very few do but I can't really say that what I described is untrue. That is the end point of civilisation.

>>1480064
We said that was the end goal, a world where heroes aren't needed. Doesn't mean we won't need heroes to get to there.

>>1480066
That was integrated as a part of our preferred education focuses.

>>1480067
Aye that could work quite well but we need to prioritise science for now. Since that will be one of our few areas of superiority.

>>1480084
I still say Distributionism will be the death of our nation like the progressive taxation system is the death of societal progression into certain jobs and areas.
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>>1480093
>Acre of land
>10 caps.

Wut
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>>1480101
They originally charged 1,25 for an acre, but at that time I guess that was higher. 20 caps.

>>1480097
Well that's why we will embrace tech as long as we are not corrupting our ideals. Also the institute is a dangerous thing to be because it has no ideals. It's the enclave you want to be like
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>>1480081
>Lucky 38 Signal Booster:
[Electronic Parts (Abundant)] [X]
[1 Radio Tower] [X] (if you take it down from Black Mountain)

>Supplies for the trip:
[Food (Plentiful)] [X]
[Medicine (Plentiful)] [X]
[Ammo (Plentiful)] [ ]
[Toilet Paper (Plentiful)] [ ]
[Fuel (Plentiful)] [ ] + [Intact Fuel Tank] [ ]
[Intact Water Tank (Large)] [ ]
[Metal (Above Moderate)] [ ]
[Fissile Materials (Above Moderate)] [ ]
[Hazmat Truck] [X]
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>>1480097
How do you think Distributionism would lead to the death of our nation?
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>>1480116
Don't want to take Black mountains radio, does anyone know where we could get another?
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Rolled 3 (1d100)

>>1480116
Alright then

>Civ action
We will have our citizens form large-ish groups to raid the surrounding locations looking for storage of toilet paper, ammo, and metal. We should focus on the many ranches and Nipton up the road. A hero or two should be in each of these groups.

>Hero
The courier will go into Camp Searchlight and look for a water container that I think is there. He will then have Moreno and Kruger help pull it out of there.
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>>1480097
I like the idea of a High tech government that supports the people with emergency food and healthcare, just don't want it to provide everything since that would be cuddling.
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>>1480119
The idea of ensuring people feel accomplishment and work to earn what they get is solid.

I'm just not sold on the distributism taken literally. Sure people can own their own homes, but I think we can still provide many free services while also providing many job opportunities too.

It might have capitalistic qualities, but instead of working for basic survival daily its where you work for the luxuries prestige and pleasures of life.

Like everyone gets all the fruit bars and jerkys to life, but you have to work for a roast stake with champagne is what I feel. People will feel empowered that the work they do gives them the fine things in life to enjoy.
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>>1480132
>Raiding.
Unless you're being figurative I'm going to have to veto against this action.
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>>1480116
>>1480124
He said we can just attach it to the Lucky 38.
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>>1480108
Like I said, the Institute but not morally bankrupt.

>>1480119
I find it hard to believe such a system can actually mange to be productive. A government meddling in the economy often reduces efficiency and limiting the size of companies and such reduces the benefits of economic scaling, results in smaller budgets for RnD and many other such problems. It is also a disincentive to trying to expand past a certain point for a company and unnaturally limits the benefits of running well. Why shouldn't the company with good business practices that manages to buy out another company be allowed to keep all their assets when they would be able to manage and run them more effectively?

>>1480124
There are other radio stations across the map we could attempt to disassemble. Like wolf radio or whatever it is called. There was also my idea to use NV radio.

>>1480134
Eh, some would argue that it is the end goal of a modern society to have everything provided to the citizens that they need to live.
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>>1480144
Indeed, but that would still require you to take it down from Black Mountain to strap it on top of it.
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>>1480034
>Dialogue and Speech checks are first roll basis. Civ Actions and Hero Actions are best of three.
So does that mean we can't have a majority vote for certain dialogue options?
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>>1480138
No I mean like empty settlements or those FULL of raiders and fiends. Not innocents, Jesus Anon
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>>1480175
You can vote on the elements and essential message of what you want to say certainly. The wording and content. Support/modify/veto.

Once its locked I take the first relevant roll for it.
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>>1480146
>Why shouldn't the company with good business practices that manages to buy out another company be allowed to keep all their assets when they would be able to manage and run them more effectively?
Because usually those companies don't stop buying out other companies, they assimilate them all until they become a Mega corporation who's monopoly protects them from the law, at that point we would have another Vault tec.
Think of this problem like the Crimson caravan and Van Graffs agreement, they decided they will cooperate to remove any other competition purely to maintain their monopoly.
>>1480144
I know, i just want to take any radio tower besides Black mountain.
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>>1480184
I agree with what you are saying, but there doesn't seem to be a perfect alternative that doesn't involve stifling economic growth
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>>1480184
Well, you are assuming that they automatically become evil once they pass a certain size.

A logical method of dealing with this is by having companies be broken up entirely whenever they are found to be massively corrupt, etc.
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>>1480190
Technology is really going to change our perceptions on traditional economy no matter what. Maybe let's see what our full capability and capacity is before worrying too much on distribution.

If anything Sierra Madre chips will be the new currency. Not only that but quite possibly the most effective currency since it literally translates into buyable goods and isn't just fiat.
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>>1480146
>Eh, some would argue that it is the end goal of a modern society to have everything provided to the citizens that they need to live.
I hate that argument, i instead believe in the Aristotelian view that the Society must shape humans into being better.
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>>1480202
>Well, you are assuming that they automatically become evil once they pass a certain size.
They are certainly swayed to be by multiple factors, that's what i believe.
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>>1480202
Like what we did with Union Oil? This could work if we had a permanent Executive branch, which is what I had been arguing for.

>>1480205
Well we shouldn't let this tech run rampant. Just because it could completely change society, doesn't mean that it should. We have to be vigilant or else we risk falling into moral decay.

Also, we need to make it so that we edit the machines so they take the chips we specially make, so we do make our own currency, it is just in the forms of coins
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>>1480177
Oh, then i support >>1480132
Just wanted to be sure.
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>>1480214
I think so long as we cater to human needs and ensure people have an outlet to feel empowered, we maintain morality.
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>>1480206
I respect your view but I would argue that it's far easier to shape people into being better when they aren't worrying about getting enough food and shit.

>>1480212
True but these factors can be eliminated by other methods and shit.

>>1480214
Quite possibly.


Also we need to decide on a series of actions.

I would suggest we expand our farms of both medicinal and agricultural purposes. We should probably also train all of our people with weapons. That or we try and make a few carts / wagons to attach onto the truck so it can carry / drag shit.
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>>1480224
But what's that outlet? Humans are impulsive (for the most part) and we must make it our duty so that they don't fall for their most basic instincts. We must make sure they work, and that their work is meaningful and they come home to enjoy this amazing technology that they worked for

>>1480229
>>1480132
Unfortunately, we do need to go to Big Mt, but we have some things to do first
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>>1480202
>A logical method of dealing with this is by having companies be broken up entirely whenever they are found to be massively corrupt, etc.
That's what Distributism is supposed to do, if they get past a certain amount of reasonable wealth or employ corrupt tactics like Rent-seeking they get chopped up without any mercy.
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>>1480221
Roll good anon
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Rolled 78 (1d100)

>>1480240
Here you go
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>>1480237
Except that isn't a good economic policy. You are punishing people for being competent in economic methods and in saving money.


Unless they have broken the law, a real law, they shouldn't be broken apart.
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>>1480244
Nice
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>>1480250
Well we do need to make sure companies can't become Walmarts, Standars Oil's, MCDonalds, etc.
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>>1480146
>>1480202
>>1480250
Do cartels and price fixing count under this?
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>>1480224
>>1480229
This >>1480235
Don't forget bread and circuses was a thing, how do we get our citizens to be better people if all they would desire is to be cuddled and appeased?
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>>1480235
The outlet is simple. Opportunity.

There are no centers for public education, and even if there were, no way for people to go to them while fighting for survival.

Everyone should be free, but compelled, to choose the job they want and earn what they put in.

If they don't want to go to school and prefer to till a field or sow clothes so be it. If they want to go to school to be an engineer or robotics expert even better.

You get what you put in.
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>>1480264
They are better people purely because they have to work to be cuddled and appeased. Everything gained is earned

There's absolutely nothing wrong with giving everyone bread and making them work for the butter and beer. I can definitely see people wanting to work for booze.
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>>1480259
Price fixing only counts if it is impossible for another company to start up and therefore undercut the rest.

However, if the price fixing lasts longer than 9 months at any given time they'll be fined for it.

>>1480264
Simple. We make it so they are effectively getting only boring as fuck shit and tasteless food unless they work.

That or we try and genetically engineer our people to need to do some sort of productive activity...possibly achievable by use of chemical stimulants and shit.


That or we make it so you have to work even if you don't have a job, just you don't get any control over your labour as the government is "paying" you.
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>>1480250
Rent-seeking is illegal, just not all forms of it.
And there has to be some reasonable limit to how big a company can be or how rich a person can be, otherwise they can be big enough to begin encroaching in government matters, supporting lobbyists and officials that will further their interest rather then the interests of the Nation as a whole.
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>>1480286
>However, if the price fixing lasts longer than 9 months at any given time they'll be fined for it.
How much of a fine are we talking about, is this a slap on the wrist or what?
>>1480257
>>1480286
What does Comcast fall under for this?
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>>1480297
Well Comcast has bought up almost every other telecommunications company, and has the worst customer ratings of it. It is "Too big to fail" and should have been broken up. It's like Australia's internet problems
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>>1480278
>>1480286
I'll only support this kind of thing if it's Russian Ration levels of bad but functional food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4BLnMZexKY
>That or we make it so you have to work even if you don't have a job, just you don't get any control over your labour as the government is "paying" you.
I like this idea, anyone proven to take government welfare without contributing to society gets conscripted into labor groups, no one will be allowed to be neets in our America.
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>>1480290
Just render it illegal for anyone to lobby or provide money to the campaigns of officials. Instead, all politicians are limited to the same amount of money provided from a central money pool or some bullshit.

That or we just have them unable to do any sorts of private advertising of their political campaign beyond door to door support gathering. However they can "recruit" supporters / members of their party to also do that.


>>1480297
Comcast is taken into the streets and shot. By popular demand to put it quite simply, as it can be seen that they could with minor expenses provide far better services.
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>>1480132
Anyone else going to support or propose their own votes?
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Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>1480311
Yeah that could work quite well.


>>1480316
Yeah I'll support that course of action.
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>>1480132
Seems like as good a plan as any.
Supporting.
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>>1480311
Oh that could be interesting with a sort of conscripted labor. What of they don't do a good job because it is conscription? Brainwashing to make them love the state> This could be a solution
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Rolled 90 (1d100)

>>1480324
...I feel like I have Alzheimer's or some shit
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>>1480325
>Brainwashing.
No.
Just No.
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>>1480331
Then they start slacking when they are conscripted. How do we deal with this?

>>1480326
Fuck me just one roll late
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>>1480331
Now now, in fallout there exists brainwashing technology without any major side effects...I think.


FO4, the nuka-world expansion, the vault tech exhibit in the space bit.
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>>1480335
Is it? I can't be assed to sift through the post to check if I was third or fourth.
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>>1480340
I mean if QM is in a good mood...
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>>1480132
[LOCKED]
>Writing
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>>1480335
>>1480338
Anything but brainwashing, put them in Y-17 trauma harnesses when it's their shift or something.
>>1480338
Hell didn't you say you wanted to be the institute except not morally bankrupt? Why would brainwashing be excusable?
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>>1480353
Alright we could do the harnesses as soon as we get them to work
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Rolled 68 (1d100)

>>1480286
>However, if the price fixing lasts longer than 9 months at any given time they'll be fined for it.
So what's stopping companies from trying to loophole around this, make it cumulative time?

>>1480237
>>1480250
Fair points. What about making a company that has a near monopoly have to be considered for a utility company in consideration of their lack of competition?

>>1480315
>Comcast is taken into the streets and shot. By popular demand to put it quite simply, as it can be seen that they could with minor expenses provide far better services.
Great, glad to see some instances of what we're looking at for corruption.

Should we make fines either X caps or X% of their net income, depending on whichever is higher, in addition to cumulatively more severe fines per infraction? To prevent accounting games to intentionally take fines in exchange for higher income like certain companies that exist do?

>>1480075
>>1480132
>>1480316
Support. Take from the dicks and give to the poor. Rolling.

>>1480326
>Rolled 90 (1d100)
Good Alzheimers at that.
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>>1480315
actually since you think it's bad to limit the growth of companies to prevent monopolies what do you think of the US antitrust law?
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>>1480353
The brainwashing is a temporary effect and is limited to only simple suggestions...at the lower intensities.


It's not mind-warping brainwashing, it's hypnotic suggestion into their subconscious.

>>1480359
Fuck if I know, you guys do you and I'll just suggest ideas for you to develop.


I agree with your anti-corruption measures. Also, perhaps make it so that if x% of people say that this company needs broken up, they will be broken up. Make it so companies fear losing public support.
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>>1480369
Still find it a discussing and immoral method.
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>>1480373
True but it is an acceptable sin. Seeing as we aren't using it to negatively effect them or anyone else. It is for the collective good and their own good that it is done.


In theory we could also use this technology to teach them subconsciously throughout the day.
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>>1480359
I like this ideas, mostly because i'm an idiot in matters concerning economics.
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>>1480359
>However, if the price fixing lasts longer than 9 months at any given time they'll be fined for it.
This seems really easy to cheat.

Guys, we will have to make tweaks as we go, so lets try not to make the perfect system, because it won't be perfect. We can come together and edit it when we see faults
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>>1480373
Yeah, brainwashing is a definite no go. But what about state sponsored propaganda? that's a bit blurry.

Also anti monopoly laws should not be on a national basis but regional- prevents companies from cutting up the country into sections of no competition.
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>>1480380
>True but it is an acceptable sin.
Not for me, it would be better just to force their bodies to work with trauma harnesses.
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>>1480388
At that point, why not just make the trauma harnesses do the work? Why force them to be in the suits?
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>>1480369
>Also, perhaps make it so that if x% of people say that this company needs broken up, they will be broken up. Make it so companies fear losing public support.
Yeah, that works. Tie it into people's representation of their services.

>>1480381
I'm an amateur at this sort of stuff, I just picked it up over a while and remember some lessons on it.

>>1480380
Wait, who's counted under conscription? Are these prisoners with felonies, prisoners of war, or just people who disagree with us?

>>1480387
>Also anti monopoly laws should not be on a national basis but regional- prevents companies from cutting up the country into sections of no competition.
This works, better emulates what some cartels try.

>>1480386
>Guys, we will have to make tweaks as we go, so lets try not to make the perfect system, because it won't be perfect. We can come together and edit it when we see faults
Yeah, let's go with that. Mostly I see this as a way to avoid the problems we saw with the other factions, and to better represent our case for other naysayers like Russel the next time around.
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>>1480387
That depends on what kind of propaganda it is for me, if it's minor "loyalty to America" then it's fine, but 1984 must be avoided at all costs.
>>1480397
Because neets must not be tolerated.
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>>1480399
>Wait, who's counted under conscription?
Just neets, people who take our welfare without doing anything with their lives.
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>>1480399
These are all those in our society who fail to find a purpose of their own free will. They could be anything, they choose to be nothing. Thus we will treat them like nothing.

>>1480400
At that point, why not use the mind control to make them hate being a lazy fuck.
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>>1480400
>>1480409
Wasn't our Brain effectively a NEET before we asked him for advice?
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Alright, i think we managed to come up with anti monopoly laws that Distributism could use that won't interfere with the market too much.
Any other criticisms of this economic model?
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>>1480414
Nope, he was reading books and studying science. That is technically something.
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>>1480418
>Any other criticisms of this economic model?
Where's the patriotism?
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>>1480418
Assuming we have covered all differences between it and our current real world system in the western world, no not really.
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>>1480414
INTO THE HARNESS HE GOES!
but seriously, this >>1480420
>>1480423
>THIS IS MY LAND! AIN'T NO ONE GONNA TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!
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>>1480400
We can't just force people to not be neet. That just ends up with neets who sleep while their body works. That's the Neetest thing.

If we really want to get rid of neets, we need to sperate wealth from self-esteem. Make wealth a means to the end of of self-fulfillment, not the actual end. Prevent the full commercialization of everything.
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>>1480433
>If we really want to get rid of neets, we need to sperate wealth from self-esteem. Make wealth a means to the end of of self-fulfillment, not the actual end. Prevent the full commercialization of everything.
That's what i want when i said every home should have a workshop, make wealth a means of helping achieve dreams.
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>>1480444
But what if they don't contribute anything? They just make shitty "modern art" sculptures?
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>>1480448
M I N D C O N T R O L !
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>>1480286
>>1480311
>>1480325
This is too extreme to get NEETs working, just put them in community service and see what happens when they aren't mucking about for a taste of what life could be like. Put them in work therapy because being a NEET may or may not be related with some personal issues.
>>1480433
>>1480444
Interesting idea, we're going to need a way to actualize that concept.

>>1480448
>>1480450
Kek.
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>>1480448
well, "shitty art structures" means that we're policing art, which is terrible. We don't want a Ministry of art saying "This art is bad, it is illegal". All art is culture, not just the ones we like. Remember, Picasso was probably shitty modern art once too.
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>>1480448
Then i hope no one buys them.
We might have to show off to discourage them.
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>>1480420
>>1480444
Our brain is a perfect example that intellectual pursuit is a viable contribution alternative to hard labor and in fact, may even be viable as the bulk of human endeavors with hard labor being relegated to machines.

The most important aspect of any human is the mind not the body. I believe we can be a society that relies on our machines for labor, but human minds for everything else
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>>1480460
>All art is culture.
I disagree extremely.
http://gawker.com/cleaning-lady-throws-away-expensive-modern-art-she-mist-1527595660
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>>1480460
I actually hate Picasso's art. You know exactly what kind of art I am talking about.

>>1480465
No, because not everyone will be a scientist or researcher. There will be average people that need a factory job or to be in the military. If we have a society ran by nothing but machines, we will fall
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>>1480465
No.
I hate this idea.
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>>1480465
I still believe we should strive to be a society where physical needs are met by technology, and intellectual pursuits become the new work and job of humanity.

Not everyone can be a genius scientist, but everyone can do a level of research or thinking appropriate to them. In the same way not everyone can be a ceo but lots of people can be factory workers.
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>>1480457
>>1480448
>>1480450
Wait a second, how do we even get NEETs as citizens in the first place? Don't they have to perform public service and fulfill some requirements before becoming a citizen?

>>1480465
>>1480469
Isn't our brain just us but without a body and hopped up on a shit-ton of Mentats? We were already an exceptional jack-of-all-stats before that.
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>>1480476
But that's stupid, some people like physical labor and it can be argued that it's good for the mind.
I'll agree to use robot labor in emergencies but i draw the line at extreme automation.
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>>1480469
They used to say not everyone is smart enough to go to school. That it wouldn't make sense to provide public education.

Everyone can learn, everyone can work, all should have the freedom to choose what they want to do.

The average child is smarter than your middle ages peasant because we indoctrinate them into learning.

If your wiling to force people to work, why not force people to learn for a living
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>>1480486
If some people like to do physical labor then they can do physical labor, particularly soldiers.

If most people prefer intellectual labor, then we should let most people be in intellectual labor

We have the chance to give everyone the sort of job they are best suited to
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>>1480480
We get Neets as our people have children and shit.
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>>1480487
Because they need to be creating something for them it to be worth the effort. There are going to be amazing researchers that we can pick out by the free schooling we give. Then there are going to be the average and below average kids who WILL NOT be geniuses because they don't have the acumen for it. You are providing no evidence that every citizen will be smart enough to work effectively in a lab.
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>>1480480
Public service can be in the form of intellectual contributions, like the followers of the apocalypse.

Everyone works, but not everyone works the same way
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>>1480469
Not a scientist or researcher, but they can still contribute intellectually. At least we need to emphasize that mental and physical contributions are equal.
>>1480467
Yes, and that's your opinion. But art is about opinion, and thought. Other people liked Picasso and valued it, and people values the garbage exhibit. You can't just say they're wrong. "new art" has been shit to people since forever, we can't honestly believe that we are the generation which is finally right.
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>>1480508
If you are trying to form yourself after the institute, it won't work with a society full of normal people. They can contribute as assistants in a lab or as nurses, but you can't have an entire population based upon this. It is a pipe dream and is not sustainable. Great education and an emphasis on education is the closest you're going to get
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>>1480508
>But art is about opinion, and thought.
No
It's
Fucking
Not
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>>1480502
We definitely have the technology to improve the average human psyche, in between such things as Mentats, VR simulators and training programs, even genetic engineering to improve the human mind.

Look at the boomers. They figures out how to teach small children to maintain and prepare them to operate advanced jetcraft through VR simulation. But still there are people like Jack and Loyal who prefer to be mechanics than pilots.

The shift from physical labor to mental prowess is something that has been happening for thousands of years. Children today don't learn to be blacksmiths and carpenters but doctors and service industry.
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>>1480517
We have the technology to make it sustainable.

If death claws can be improved to learn how to operate vault tech, so can human beings.
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>>1480502
What, do you want a standardized test, and go "Jimmy got an 89%, he can't be scientist?" If people want to do something other than sit on their asses, how can we just tell them they can't because they aren't good enough? Especially science. How many discoveries were made by accident? How many important inventions were made by some guy in his garage with a passion? more than zero.
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>>1480521
>Look at the boomers.
And there are also regular cooks and maintenance workers and farmers and just menial workers. Also, kids still learn to weld and learn carpentry so your point is moot.

>>1480527
No we don't. We can't have the cake and eat it too. Your path is leading to a society full of soft lazy americans who waste their time of frivolous "research" while the top 10% actually do something productive.

>>1480532
No, we give them the chance to, but we don't make a society where they have to be a scientist. Just like now, if you want to go into science, it is incredibly easy, but we don't force kids
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>>1480517
As long as you can agree that if someone says they want to be part of research then we can let them be part of research and don't force them into another task, then I'm satisfied. Obviously not everyone wants to be part of research anymore than everyone wants to be part of hard labour.

I'm advocating ultimate job freedom but just pointing out its likely jobs will naturally, passively shift to less physically demanding jobs over time, with or without our help. People want to improve their capababilities, if we don't advance automation technology someone in the future will.
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>>1480539
If I might just point out, there are large portions of science that aren't requiring massive mental abilities.


For example, field work like getting cuttings of plants or performing autopsies.
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>>1480520
Than what is art? fulfilling your aesthetic opinion? are cartoons art? Are video games? why is surrealism art, but modern not?
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>>1480521
Are you just ignoring >>1479953
What will happen to men like Russel? What will happen to men who want to work when you bring in those "Improvements"? If people want to work they work, if people want to think they think, you cannot just nudge people to be researchers, there will be many who will fail the cut.
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>>1480539
There is no such thing as frivolous research, there incompetent research sure, but research like all other forms of occupation is goal and administration directed.

Nobody works a pointless job that benefits no one on purpose anymore than people will try to research things which give them no benefit. Its nonsensical.

And I hope your not implying that people trying to pursue intellectual matters are lazy.
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>>1480497
So are children guaranteed citizenship then? We didn't specify that part before.
If it becomes a worry, we could have children of citizens have the same legal protections as earned citizens, but they have to work at a reduced tenure to earn the same free benefits.

>>1480506
Yeah, but their definition was of NEETs who did jack shit.
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>>1480540
If they want to be a scientist and is just an inept person who doesn't contribute, he isn't being a scientist. We reward meritocracy, not giving out participation ribbons to make people feel better,

>>1480551
I am saying that the wheat will be separated by chaff. In your society, there will be vast populations of scientists who are not discovering anything because the ACTUAL intelligent people have done it already.

>>1480546
Yeah but since my opponents are arguing for massive automation, that job could be given to robots too
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>>1480550
Then men will still work.

I'm not pro forcing everyone to be researchers.

I'm against preventing everyone who wants to be in research from researching, regardless of the proportion. Everyone should pursue the opportunities we provide for them.

People like Russell will obviously be needed in the security business as the Rangers have done for ages.
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>>1480560
So if someone is incapable of any research, but still wants to be a scientist, we should let him to make him feel better?
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>>1480559
They're trying, and invention is sometimes more about luck, or passion than intelligence. Sometimes it just takes someone noticing something or asking the right question. I believe our society should be based on effort, not result. We can afford it, and we don't end up with NEETs either way.
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>>1480559
If they want to be a scientist but is inept then we educate him and give him opportunities to educate himself.

If he has mental disabilities we cure them.

If he refuses to educate himself, then we have every right to put him in another job.

Ineptitude can be cured, lazyness cannot. Everyone is inept at a skill before they master it, it's a matter if your willing to put in the work for it.
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>>1480568
We should give him opportunities to improve himself until he becomes a capable researcher, which has been the purpose of education since the start.

The only people who are unable to improve are those who refuse to study and those with disabilities. We can fix the latter, and if it's the former then we say "no".
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>>1480546
>>1480568
If they're incapable of research, can't they do some field work, gain experience, and then relay that to the eggheads so they can make some more practical adjustments to their research?
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>>1480571
>If he has mental disabilities we cure them.
How? In the future we could genetically change him, but can you explain to me how we could have a population of 30 million researchers?

>>1480570
So we let them mess around while we pay for it and hope that they discover something? The private sector would never allow this
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>>1480570
>>1480571
>>1480592
>So we let them mess around while we pay for it and hope that they discover something?
Isn't that what experimentation is?
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>>1480581
Yeah.


Also, we will always need engineers to design shit assuming we don't automate that and that is a job which is more so about sheer focus and calculations than it is about massive inspirations.


We will need people to design new cars, planes, guns and tools for every new invention from the scientists. They just need to be able to understand the benefits and penalties of the new systems.


Also, as to the non-intellectuals who just want to explore or something, just send them out on some sort of Voyager mission to find interesting tech and shit.
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>>1480581
Exactly, everyone will adapt to a job best suited for them and their level of skill. For every genius scientist, there are hundreds of labhands, computer analysis and technicians, supporting roles. And sometimes those assistants become the future geniueses, even if most stay where they are. All contribute somewhere from the bottom to the top.

There's a reason the Americans invested huge sums to hire many many scientists and assistant personel to work on the atom bomb instead of just a few geniuses.
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>>1480595
Usually these experiments are done with some sort of hypothesis and scientific understanding. Not a bunch of guys playing with lab equipment until they accidentaly discover something

>>1480601
Once again, how can you explain to me how we fill in 30 million roles "discovering" shit? This isn't a videogame where the more people we assign means the better the output is. There is a sweet spot, and we can get to that spot with great education and a gentle push to science like we have now
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>>1480617
>Usually these experiments are done with some sort of hypothesis and scientific understanding. Not a bunch of guys playing with lab equipment until they accidentaly discover something
So tinkering, then?
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>>1480592
We can genetically change them now with BigMT tech, there's been huge strides in the neurological sciences, we the courier are walking proof of it.

30 million researchers will look like 30 million factory employees. You have a few geniueses at the top, a lot of smart administrators in the middle, and the bulk of support at the bottom.
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>>1480626
>We can genetically change them now with BigMT tech, there's been huge strides in the neurological sciences, we the courier are walking proof of it.
Just remember to keep that genetic diversity before we get wiped out like bananas.
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>>1480592
Government grants are a thing. If they're onto something, pay them to continue their work.
If they aren't offer subsidized education, jobs that are affiliated to research and technology, and small innovation allowances as long as they provide proof that they are trying to create something something.
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>>1480617
>not a bunch of guys playing with equipment
Thats literally why education is organized, including practical education on the field such as medical student clinicals and interning.

Even in the middle ages, apprentices were taught by working for the experts assigned to them, learning through observation and participation.

Education isn't just throwing books and lab equipment and having people play games with them.
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>>1480622
Then they can do that in their own time after they get off work doing something productive. Just like now, if they discover and patent something, then they can make it rich.

>>1480626
A lab is not a factory. Can you realistically explain how you plan to run this society with 30 million scientists then? Because it wouldn't be like a factory.

>>1480630
Wow, I can't think of a single way this could be taken example of. It't like government waste and corruption doesn't exist anymore. As long as people are happy tinkering and not doing anything productive, we have achieved nirvana

>>1480637
No it isn't. These people know what direction they want to go and roughly how to do it. That's why it was a career, not an entire society based off of it. I don't know if you guys are trying to replicate the institute or what, but it won't work
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>>1480628
It's not just genetic engineering either. We have brain chips, mentats, lots of existing and proven ways to improve human intelligenc in BigMT. It worked on us.
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>>1480626
>Everybody will be allowed to choose the jobs they want.
>But we'll also genetically modify our population to be smarter so we have more researchers.
What?
How does that work?
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>>1480644
A laboratory IS run like a factory, but with a different product. Its organized with different hierarchies and people in separate roles.

As I said, those 30 million people working in research will function like a factory, with different people with different skills at different levels and constant room for improvement and promotion.
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>>1480617
"Together, the 48 contiguous states and Washington, D.C. occupy a combined area of 3,119,884.69 square miles (8,080,464.3 km2), which is 1.58% of the total surface area of Earth. Of this area, 2,959,064.44 square miles (7,663,941.7 km2) is land, composing 83.65% of U.S. land area, similar to the area of Australia.[6] Officially, 160,820.25 square miles (416,522.5 km2) is water area, composing 62.66% of the nation's total water area." - Wikipedia, the contiguous (excluding Alaska and Hawaii) united states.

So looking at this we have 3.1 billion miles squared for us to divide between 30 million citizens in your system assuming they are all doing this one job as if we aren't also going to be having our population do other things because you are using hyperbole. That seems like a fair distance for them all to be covering.


Please note this assumes we aren't having any of our population work as farmers, builders, miners, foremen, diplomats, doctors, soldiers, mechanics, dentists, bureaucrats, record keepers, programmers, musicians, mapmakers, news-reporters, politicians, designers, police, fire services, entertainers and so on.


This is also ignoring we have the rest of the world to explore and colonise.
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>>1480659
Alright then explain how it is like a factory.
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>>1480657
A student is trying to become a nuclear phsycist, very important in a nuclear tech based society.

We have documentation that he puts in the hours of study in VR and books, always attends classes, participates in group efucation, and verbally demonstrates undetstanding, but consistently bombs tests.

An mental assessment determines he has a form of (ADD/Tourretes/ w/e). The level of investment is there but there's a physical barrier.

We use BigMT science to cure it, he's able to focus and pass his tests, bam, we have a new nuclear engineer.
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>>1480644
1, you seem to be throwing around 30 million around for some reason, and I don't know where that comes from.

2. you act like its the worst possible thing someone is not contributing to society as a whole, even if they are trying, and are self improving.

3. If we wanted everyone to be a scientist, we can actually afford it, with robots doing all the manual labour, and vending machines providing all our other needs. You act like someone who'd get pissed that the coal mine is closing because solar power is a thing.

The societal end game is not everyone has a job, but everyone does what they want, while also wanting to improve society and themselves.
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>>1480644
>I don't know if you guys are trying to replicate the institute or what, but it won't work
>>1480664
We're not replicating everyone being a researcher, just a large amount of support for researchers and education. An entirely researcher population means we get rekt when the robot revolution comes.
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>>1480659
>A laboratory IS run like a factory, but with a different product.
Jesus Christ you're an idiot.
You can't shove people in a room and order them to discover something new, you first must have a hypothesis, then a theory, then an experiment to prove that theory, then the theory will be changed according to the results.
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>>1480665
A lab receives a scientific theory or idea and proceeds to develop a series of experiments to test it.

Then the proles of science come in. People the only purpose of is to set up the experiment, record the results and process them.


>>1480673
I know but what I am showing is that even if they were right and we had 30 million people without a job in any other places (when our current population is less than 100 people) it wouldn't be impossible to believe that they could all do the job.
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>>1480665
A factory is organized labor to produce a goal oriented product.

You have many people working, each divided into a naturally proportioned role.

A genius CEO or logistician at the top, intelligent administrators, analysist, executive officers in the middle.

And a lot of support and low level workers at the bottom.

A research facility has a few geniuses directing major goals at the top, intelligent directors and administrators in the middle who the geniuses delegate tasks to, and lots of supporting personel at the bottom, lab hands, technicians, testers, quality control monitors, etc.

Both create a valuable product. For the factory it's a physical good. For the research facility it's a new valuable product, that the factory might even be able to produce.
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>>1480664
What are you trying to argue here?

>>1480672
I am estimating that will be the population after we reclaim Canada and the US. One of the worst things is to NOT contribute to a society that protects you and feeds you and clothes you and houses you.

Working at a coal mine is improving society, growing crops is improving society, and these jobs are filled with normal people that are happy that they are doing something to feed their family and help society. If they are a mediocre researcher and are not doing anything of note, then why would they feel accomplished?

You seem to be taking an elitist viewpoint here, like you're not valuing the jobs that blue collar Americans do
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>>1480677
but you can take a hypotheisis and tell 100 people to look into it, take a concept, tell 200 people to improve it, and any other large amount of things.
There will also need to be engineers and their support people to apply and improve any concepts, which massively increases the amount of people who can do something
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>>1480677
Do you like cherry picking while completely ignoring everything else that I've posted, because that's literally what I've said.

Its GOAL oriented and DIRECTED.
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>>1480671
That's not what you were talking about >>1480626
You were talking about modifying humanity to be smarter so we can have more researchers yet you claim you will allow people to work where they want to.
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>>1480688
You could examine your post to get an idea, couldn't you?

I am saying there is enough land for us to explore that even if we had 30 Million people to throw at it, we'd still be there for a fair bit of time and thus it is a valid industry and to show that even with your hyperbole and blown up super-sized numbers, we don't run into problems.
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>>1480697
Those are not mutually exclusive and I have no idea why you would imply they would be.

Raising the average level of human intelligence has been the goal of education since it's inception.

I'm saying that we can have more researchers, but people who don't want to be researchers don't have to be
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>>1480684
That's all nice and good, but labs don't work in a factory setting, or else we would do it today. They tend to be smaller and more intimate so the researchers can work together. You are turning a research facility into a factory and it doesn't work because it is just too large of a society to maintain . There just isn't enough positions to be filled and it get's to the point that people are doing no work. Kinda like "The New Deal"

>>1480701
So you want people to be explorers, even though we could make robots to do that exact same thing?
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>>1480697
Yep. We will eliminate most jobs and modify humans to be smart enough to do the ones that remain.


If they want to do one of the jobs we eliminated, they could go and move to another society or something.


>>1480720
It was an example, given because an anon asked where I would place our surplus population which I personally don't think we will ever be dealing with. I explained I would make them explorers, as logically the casualty rate would be fairly high and thus would drain our population. They responded by providing a situation where we have 30 million people try to fulfil this role. I showed that without including Canada or Mexico, there is enough land in the continental US for that many to explore.

As to making robots to do that, I want to do that for everything but you guys seem to think that will instantly result in people becoming lazy fucks.
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>>1480720
Except we do?

Universities are a perfect example of massed research, where a lot of the world research happens.

Millions of people work as faculty, staff, and graduates working towards new and innovative sciences, that isn't even counting those who proceed onto the higher research facilities such as those run by governments, which also require lots of supporting technicians and personel.

Also we should have human explorers working with robot explorers.
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>>1480690
No you can't, you can't expect people to just come up with improvements just because you told them to do so.
We come up with new technologies because someone comes up with a hypothesis and refines that hypothesis into a theory, that theory is then tested.
Having 100 smart people in a room does not mean you get 50 new ideas, it has never worked like that in the history of mankind.
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>>1480736
No I am saying that by this logic, every single job in our society could be filled by robots. Even researchers could be non-human. Curie was originally a robot, and synths also do research. Why do we need humans exactly?
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>>1480688
I don't not value blue collar jobs. However, I'm not of the opinion that the only meaningful contribution is material.

I'm also of the belief that society's goal is the fulfillment of its member's. Your parents don't raise you so you can pay them back, they raise you so that you live a happy life that you want to live. Society is the same.

Many jobs exist because they must for society to continue now. Coal mining contributes because society needs coal, not because it needs coal miners. Replace the coal miners with robots, find something else for the miners to do, and does anyone really lose out? Or are there people in their right minds who would be saddened that they can't can't risk their life in 100 ft underground in a tunnel that can explode at any moment, or die at 60 with black lung?
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>>1480746
Yeah but essentially what we are saying, is that we can eliminate almost all jobs we want and by the power of science, we can come out the other-side the better for it.
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>>1480751
We don't. Honestly I am confused why it is hard to understand we don't want to make ourselves obsolete but we also don't want to do shit jobs?

Also, I would point out Curie in the 200 years she was in that Vault did fuck all science, implying that they might've failed slightly in that regard. Or at the very least they are far away from independent research ability.

We need humans for their creativity and drive.
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>>1480750
How do you think scientists work now? they get paid money, told to come up with something and then do eventually come up with something. That's literally how R&D divisions work.
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>>1480746
Universities have a couple thousand people at most. I could even say 10,000 people working would be the norm, but how do you translate that to millions? Students working to graduate do not equal researchers. Many of those graduates do not go on to be scientists, just normal people.

>>1480753
My parents raised me to be productive and be able to provide for my family. If I find something I like doing, that is a plus, but I was raised by Blue Collar parents and now I am doign well for myself because I followed that advice. Now of course you shouldn't trust me as this is the internet, but what you said about parents isn't true.

Also, What are the miners going to do? Those 50 year old miners can't become scientists or programmers. Should we just ship them off to siberia?
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I need to stop being distracted by you guys. Stop having interesting debates!

>Rolled 78
>Settlers
"Toilet paper? Well, nobody makes toilet paper anymore but we can just find more of what everyone uses, cloth. Just have to wash them after use."

Scrap and some ammo are found!

The Courier did find a water tank in Searchlight, unfortunately, its radioactive.

--COTTONWOOD COVE--
>>>>>Food: Plentiful
>>>>>Water: Average
>>>>>Morale: Above Average
>>>>>Medicine: Plentiful
>>>>>Armaments: Plentiful
>>>>>Current Pop: 89
>>>>>Military:
6 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
16 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Willow, Ares, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans
17 Settlement Militia (Firearms)
11 Ad-Hoc Melee-Armed Militia
8 Fanatical Civilians
>>>>>Prisoner: 1 Legionaire Recruit
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Below Average)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Old World Houses. Tents. Prisoner Pen. 2 Garden Farms (Medium, Primitive). Pump Irrigation. Bath Tub Pots. Medicine Shack. Animal Pen (Small), *Raul's Workshop*
>>>>>Defenses: Wooden Watchtower. Concrete Structures (Weakened Slightly).
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird
>>>>>>Power: None
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Moderate) Electronics (++Extra Abundant) Hygiene Supplies (Moderate) Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank.
>>>>>>Weapons: Average Legion Melee Weapons (+Moderate, Pristine) Average Legion Firearms (+moderate, Pristine). Mercenary Battle Rifles (Moderate, intact) Average Plasma Rifles (+Moderate, Intact) Average Laser Rifles (+Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Abundant) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor: Average Leionaire Armor (+Moderate, Pristine) Good Centurion Armor (+Tiny, Intact)
>>>>>>Technology: River Silt Fertilizer. Manure. Delilah's Voodoo. Arcade's Chems. *1 Sierra Madre Vending Machine*
>>>>>>Sierra Madre Chips: None
[Research Capability and Assets: None]
!NEW!
>>>>>>Other:
+3 Allied Followers
+2 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
>>>>>>Research Items/Items of Interest: none
>>>>>>Communications: (Devil's Brigade Radio)

>ALERT
You have used up a considerable amount of scrap metal in the repair of the Truck.

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 26
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>>1480768
Curie made that cure, and you see synths doing actual research all the time. Look at Acadia, literally all synths and they are doing actual research. In this case, the slippery slope fallacy is real
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>>1480774
I'd point out we don't currently have any significant populations so chances are that we won't be dealing with massive unemployment problems from job eliminations.


Also, what we do as we automate mines and factories is move their entire town populations to places where we are going to be automating later. Then we educate their children into jobs we either plan on automating even further down the line or never will automate, slowly eliminating all skill in that industry.
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Rolled 22 (1d100)

>>1480779
>Get more scrap metal from junk yards or something - Civ

>Clean out the Water tank and rediate it by using radaway or something after hauling it back Hero
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>>1480795
So then we automate all jobs but which? Researchers? Like I said here>>1480792
humans aren't needed anywhere
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>>1480774
Were arguing numbers here rather than concept now, nothing can be logically constructed that way.

In any case everyone who graduates from a university does contribute to an ever higher standard of human learning and ever decreasing amount of human physical labor. It is a trend that will continue whether we influence it or not, and there will always be people who work physical jobs and people who dont.

But I am 100% against arbitrarily preventing anyone who doesn't want to go into intellectual contribution when they absolutely can, even if it does require technological or medical assistance.
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>>1480779
>I need to stop being distracted by you guys. Stop having interesting debates!
The feel when we went from dank memes to discussing a dialogue choice to the fear of humans being replaced in the technological singularity.
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>>1480792
I'd point out that Synths are essentially humans and that it took Curie until 2204 to develop that Panacea. As impressive as that may be.
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>>1480774
So they should be miners because their miners and mining is all their good for? Anyone who tells you they can't learn anything new is wrong.

Society can educate them and bring them something new to do. They just can't change jobs today because they have to pay for the schooling with money from the job they don't have. Give them the schooling and they can change jobs.

You're not being raised to pay back your parents. You're being raised so you can pay them back. and pay forward to your children. It sounds like they want whats best for you, not what's best for them, and that's a good thing.
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>>1480818
Especially since we also have the technology to break the physical and disability barrier to education, via medicine and neurology, not to mention VR simulations.
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>>1480809
The NCR populates a small part of the country and has 700'000 people. It is not impossible to think that Canada and the US and maybe even Mexico has 30 million in total.

>ever higher standard of human learning and ever decreasing amount of human physical labor.
Not every graduate is promised a job. I am sure you have heard the stories of engineers not finding jobs for a variety of reasons?


>>1480818
>mining is all their good for?
I said absolutely nothing like that. Also, I said time and time again that schooling is free. Also, I never said that we're raised to pay our parents back, but to make the investment a worthy one, and that means to be productive.

>>1480814
Synths aren't human though. And curie was working alone, so a team of robots could do wonders
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>>1480825
And the cybernetic implants and Subconscious manipulations / education method.
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>>1480818
Also mining is a very hazardous and sometimes downright awful job, even in the modern world.

Watch Blood on the Mountain documentary. Miners, especially Coal Miners. regularly suffer from Black Lung and saftey standards are still being chipped away in favor of output.

We still have major mining strikes and civil unrest even in the 80s and 90s. I can imagine this is still a problem today.
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>>1480828
Synths literally are humans. They are made with human DNA, have human emotions and weaknesses. The only differences is that they are "born" with a series of cybernetic implants to control them.


Also, looking at Curie's wiki page further, she changes to a Synth body because her robotic one is hampering her ability to do research. As she lacks that human spark of inspiration and creativity.
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>Too busy reading news to argue with anons coherently.
Did you guys know that some black guy submitted a rap about how black people are oppressed for his senior thesis and is going to graduate with honors?
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>>1480844
Well now I am just angry at the real world. Not really a change but still.
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>>1480828
We have the technology and capabilities to make everyone productive as long as they put in the effort and determination.

We can cure everything but lack of motivation.

As for those who graduate without jobs, we live in a society dictated hugely by money and corporate interests, companies unwilling to hire based on increased wages. We can avoid that here and now with a completely different sort of economy based on efficiency, not wealth.
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>>1480850
>We can cure everything but lack of motivation.
I say mind, you say control.
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>>1480843
>they look humans so they are
They still aren't born the way a Human is, so they are machine that looks human

>>1480850
>We have the technology and capabilities to make everyone productive
How? We would need QM to come down and say exactly that. We have no way of knowing that

Also, government labs also hire graduates, nit just companies, and you know why there are still unemployed? DEMAND of workers. If we hire uneeded workers then we are wasting money and resources
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>>1480828
you said to consider the coal miners because they cant become scientist and programmers when i talked about replacing them. That sounds like an argument against the robots because they can't do anything else. Which is solved by free schooling and being given jobs.

Your parents raised you to make the investment a worthy one, but not necessarily to them. You will likely choose to make it worthy to them, and that's good, but I imagine your parents just want you to be happy. Like, actually happy and not content, or distracted, or other similar things, because they can take care of themselves. If society can take care of itself, then why shouldn't it want its people to be happy if they can?
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Here's an interesting comment i read.
>I'm just beginning University and I'm starting to realise that everything I research is just people quoting each other. You find a source and they cite a source who cites a source and it's just one big chain where I'm writing things that just reaffirm my own beliefs for most cases and citing someone who probably did the same thing just so I can pump out a new assignment that's quality and get my honours. The teachers don't even mark it because they don't care. The sources I cite are increasingly becoming more vague but they never even check or ask questions.
>I imagine you could push anything not hard science if you have enough authority figures all agreeing with each other.
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>>1480866
>They still aren't born the way a Human is, so they are machine that looks human
What do you say about artificial wombs and such? What about clones like Gary? Are they not human? The fuck is your moral system?
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>>1480866
Demand is heavily influenced by those at the head of corporate interests.

Rockefeller became fantastically rich off it, by buying and shutting down competing refineries, monopolizing a single aspect of a business. He artificially created huge demand for his service, because his was the only service.
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>>1480873
That's a symptom of the right or die mentality forced on professors. If they don't publish, they don't get paid, so they write meaningless shit. Change the system so that its about actual research and innovation, and it would go away.
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>>1480866
>We would need QM to come down and say exactly that. We have no way of knowing that
You can always ask your brain a question or me for any information you should know IC
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>>1480891
>You can always ask your brain a question or me for any information you should know IC
>Asking before initiating our new world order.
Nah...
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>>1480872
But if you automatize every job besides being a researcher, then you ARE forcing them into a job, countering your "moral code". A better way would be to let anyone do any job that they can competently do and that they provide results. We would use robots for the jobs that still need be doing.

>>1480875
Synths have a "synth component" on them because they can't function with out it. They are not human. Gary is a copy of a human, so still human. We share a lot of DNA with chimps, so are chimps human?

>>1480891
Brain, what's your estimated population of the US, Canada and Mexico as of now
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>>1480898
I don't want to force everyone to be a researcher. I want everyone to do what would make them happy. If they don't want to coal mine, don't force them by having it be the only job bringing money into their small town/ I'm suggesting let people choose what they want to do, then bring in robots to pick up any slack.
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>>1480898
>Synths have a "synth component" on them because they can't function with out it.
Objection, that is known in game to be a method of controlling them, nothing more or less. If I remember rightly that one Merc fuck you kill in the main questline also has one even though he is not a Synth but rather a cyborg.

>We share a lot of DNA with chimps, so are chimps human?
No because they are a entirely different species in appearance, biology and abilities but I wouldn't argue that logic. A better example would've been super-mutants by-the-by.


Hell here is another moral quandary for your screwed up system.

There was a man pre-war who had his memories recorded and used as the basis of Nick valentine. Is he a human? He has a human's memories and experiences yet he isn't a human? What about the ones that think they are a human because they are deep infiltrators? The ones who have no memories besides their human "life"?
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>>1480902
So what they are doing makes them happy, but it is not productive and generally "wastes" society's resources. What happens then?
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Quoting directly from the FO4 wiki:

Generation 3 synths represent the pinnacle of synth technology: they are completely indistinguishable from a human down to the cellular level, but are still able to be "programmed" and manipulated via voice commands.


They are literally human down to the cellular level.
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>>1480898
>Brain, what's your estimated population of the US, Canada and Mexico as of now

>Brain
"My knowledge is limited to yours really, so I can know much about the Western Commonwealth.

N.C.R's capital is said to be in the 'tens of thousands'. Let's give that a high estimate, such as 80,000 or 90,000. Factoring in other NCR cities such as Reno, Boneyard, Vault City, Junk Town, you can start getting estimates such as 300,000 up to even 1,000,000 who live in cities.

I estimate that in this day and age, most people do in fact live in cities as well, more than the rural population.

I wager that if NCR's population is likely around the million or two million area, the rest of the wasteland can't be any far off, the NCR does have the better infrastructure of the region, notwithstanding the Legion's 'Join or Die' mentality.

I would estimate something like 1,000,000 to 4,000,000. These are gross numbers mind you."
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>>1480927
>Brain
"*This is purely in regards to the SouthWest Commonwealth."
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>>1480914
let them. Society can handle its own resources- if there are not enough people happy to farm, let robots do it. same with mining, or factory labour. If we teach people the difference between Happiness and Contentment, we avoid the whole bread and circuses thing. Teach them there is more to living than consumption and entertainment.
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>>1480914
Increase their productivity in the job they are doing.
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>>1480913
>If I remember rightly that one Merc fuck you kill in the main questline also has one

Kellog had other enhancements, but I don't think he had a Synth Component. Also, I just looked it up on the wiki, it didn't say it's exact use, just that every synth has one.

Nick isn't Human either, not biologically. He is a great guy, and better than most humans, but he couldn't be a human. As for the deep-infiltrators, they aren't human either. They are just machines with memories of a human.

>>1480924
They still have the component in them. Once that is taken out, then I suppose there would be no difference between them. Unless you count the Covenant's "test"

>>1480938
So with that answer, this has come down to an emotional argument on both sides. No side can be wrong or right as it is over "what is morally better" which doesn't have an answer.We still need to vote on an action

>>1480939
Like I said, this isn't a videogame where we command the game to do it for us and it does. We have to actually think how someone making a "shitty" sculpture is productive
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>>1480779
>>1480116
Link for what our objectives are. We still need to figure out a way to either remove radiaiton from the water tank, or find a new one. Either do what >>1480796 said or stuff it through a decontamination shower.
We should try getting some more toilet paper or hygiene supplies, and somehow get those fissile materials.
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>>1480950
Not everyone will be making sculptures.

Also if you want an example on how to make sculpture making a productive job, integrate it into robotics and animatronics design.
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>>1480950
>Nick isn't Human either, not biologically. He is a great guy, and better than most humans, but he couldn't be a human.
Okay, he isn't human. Are robo-brains human?

>As for the deep-infiltrators, they aren't human either. They are just machines with memories of a human.
>They still have the component in them. Once that is taken out, then I suppose there would be no difference between them. Unless you count the Covenant's "test"
Again quoting the wiki on FO4:

Generation 3 synths are physically and mentally indistinguishable from ordinary humans, having lab-grown bodies of real human flesh, bones, and organs instead of plastic and metal.

They are fundamentally the exact same as a womb-born human and Covenant's entire test is probably bullshit.
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>>1480924
>However, they are not perfect duplicates, and have a few key differences from humans that are not immediately obvious: synths do not age, nor can they gain or lose weight

>>1480958
Okay but that has always been a specialty job that is filled with just a small percent of the population. What if their sketches are terrible? How will they support themselves on their unwanted work?
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>>1480969
>However, they are not perfect duplicates, and have a few key differences from humans that are not immediately obvious: synths do not age, nor can they gain or lose weight
Those honestly just sound like reasons to make our population synths.
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>>1480968
>Are robo-brains human
No, they just have a human brain.

>>1480968
>However, they are not perfect duplicates, and have a few key differences from humans that are not immediately obvious: synths do not age, nor can they gain or lose weight
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

>>1480779
>>1480796
>>1480955
Supporting with some additional actions that I mentioned.
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>>1480969
Direct them to design improvement courses and programs. Have them at it until they give up or improve.
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>>1480779
>civ
go get more scrap form that scrapyard. Buy a large amount wholesale form the old lady, or recruit her or something
>courier
clean the water tank i guess

>>1480950
Yup. But most big decisions are like that. Doesn't mean the discussion is pointless. Infact being about morality makes the discussion even more important.
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>>1480975
I get the feeling I can't convince you that your system of morals is wrong. No more so than you can mine.


Therefore I would suggest we abandon this argument before it descends into calling each other fools and derailing the thread.

Also because I should've logged off about 1 hour and 38 minutes ago.
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1480979
roll
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>1480796
>>1480955
>>1480976
[LOCKED]

Rolling for reasons
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Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>1480974
So then we have no humans anymore? Don't you have some planning to do at Big Mt., Brain?

>>1480983
Goodnight anon, thanks for the debate

>>1480979
support
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>>1480983
>Therefore I would suggest we abandon this argument before it descends into calling each other fools and derailing the thread.
If you do so, remember to call each other foolish fools.
>>1480992
>>1480986
But QM
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>>1480993
>So then we have no humans anymore? Don't you have some planning to do at Big Mt., Brain?
Technically, from my point of view, we still have humans. Just better versions.
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>>1481002
And my point of view the Jedi are ev-oh shit, wrong universe.
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>>1481002
>>1481008
So we Sith now?
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>>1481016
Was it ever out of the question? Our Character might as well be named Sheev Palpatine
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>>1481031
If that's the case, Palpatine was a lot cooler before his face looked like a scrotum.
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>>1481033
I think it really added a lot of evil to him after. And besides, it wasn't his real face anyway. Apparently the dark side corrupted his face
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>>1480992
>>1480986
I have some good news and bad news.

The Good News is Lady Gibson is willing to sell her vast Junkyard of ruined cars. The other good news is that the water tank is so irradiated its the PERFECT material to be made into Sierra Madre chips.

The Bad News, she's asking for a price per weight.

If you fix and get the Steel Mill running, you could recycle it and even build a new Water Tank.

The Worse news is the Radiation on the Tank is too deep into the material. Had it been purely superficial, you could have melted off its skin, but the whole thing is radioactive due to being right next to an open barrel of waste.

There is no known way, even to the great Think Tank, to render a heavy radioactive substance non-radioactive. Cleaning human blood with Rad-Away is one thing, hard metals and steel simply cannot be done. This is beyond the mind of man.

>Choose:
-Ignore Lady Gibson, take the scrap
-Find a way to pay lady gibson (through actions next turn)
-Other?

>Choose:
-Use the Irradiated Tank, and just have people drink Rad-X and use Radaway with each Drink
-Keep it but don't use it for water
-Other?
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>>1481048
>convice her to cut the price by half, She's a good lady and can come with?

>-Keep it but don't use it for water
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>>1481048
-Find a way to pay lady gibson (through actions next turn)
Drugs and food. Possibly some guns or something. Failing her accptance of that, caps.


-Keep it but don't use it for water
Either use it for fuel or scrap it.
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>>1481048
>-Other?
Offer her something else like medicine or ciggs. We can get it from the machine and it would be a lot cheaper. Also tell her that since we are buying bulk, it should be cheaper. The courier does have 100 barter

-Keep it but don't use it for water
For chips

we could always fuck her
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>>1481048
>The other good news is that the water tank is so irradiated its the PERFECT material to be made into Sierra Madre chips.
Oh hey, that solves our fissile materials problem.
>>1481048
>-Keep it but don't use it for water

>>1481048
>-Use the Irradiated Tank, and just have people drink Rad-X and use Radaway with each Drink
This is incredibly counterproductive and wasteful.
>-Ignore Lady Gibson, take the scrap
What happens if we just take the scrap?

>>1481043
>Apparently the dark side corrupted his face
The dark side makes his face look like a scrotum?
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>>1481048
> ask for bulk discount offer food, meds, cigs, some chems. General excess that we have

>Keep it but don't use it for water.
It'll be useful at somepoint.
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>>1481065
The dark side is a hell of a drug anon
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>>1481065
if we take the scrap, we get her fancy shotgun, and become a commune of raiders and thieves. Also she might die.
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>>1481065
>What happens if we just take the scrap?
You take the Scrap, Lady Gibson frowns at you, and you hear the "Lose Karma" sound.

Well you don't hear it but I do.
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>>1481048
>Find a way to pay lady gibson (through actions next turn)
>Keep it but don't use it for water
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Quick question, can synths reproduce?
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>>1481092
Well that's not too bad, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Can we just give her a couple of our specialty guns that cost like 15 k?
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>>1481099
The classic "We want your scraps. Here a genuine mini nuke launcher"
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>>1481099
Which guns are those?
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>>1481097
It's never brought up in game but based off the fact they are apparently identical to humans biologically, probably.
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>>1481109
Any gun from Fallout New Vegas. As well as any Armor too

>>1481113
I would assume no. It's one of those things QM is going to have to answer
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>>1481048
>>1481065
>-Find a way to pay lady gibson (through actions next turn)
Can we pay her in scrap?

>>1481092
>Well you don't hear it but I do.
Can we hear it as a free perk from being beyond the fourth wall?
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>Try to convince her to lower her prices

Old Lady Gibson is old and frail and honestly not too long for the world. She has little need now for guns, chems, and even bottlecaps. The only thing she really has a passion for is technology and robotics (surprisingly a lot of old timers enjoy tinkering and repair, such as Raul, Johnson Nash, and Doc Henry), but never had a chance to learn it properly and feels old.

She just isn't willing to just sell her lifes collection for nothing.

You believe with certainty you can offer: Yourself. That would convince her.

>Confirm? Y/N
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>>1481129
Y


The wise man offers in excess that which they have in excess. So sex seems like a sound plan.
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>>1481129
>You believe with certainty you can offer: Yourself.
What? What would we even do for her? Are we gonna be a gigolo?
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>>1481129
>You believe with certainty you can offer: Yourself. That would convince her.
So does this mean we're gonna bang her?
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>>1481129
Sex? no.
How about we get her a robot? or how about we get Veronica or Raul to teach her tech stuff?
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>>1481129
>Yes
Hot
That or we give her ED-E until we return to the Mojave
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>>1481147
We could offer her a refurbished Protectron or something. Or her own personal Securitron.
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

>>1481147
roll if that makes a difference.
And we'll take most of the junk. She can have some stuff to fiddle around with when she's learnt.
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>>1481147
Actually that is a good point, would she like a Vertibird flight?
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>>1481113
I googled this question and got some interesting comments.

>As far as we know, no, synths cannot reproduce.
>Since they lack the ability to age, and don't require food or sleep to function, I doubt synth cells would multiply in the ways needed to produce a person.
>Not getting into the very high likelihood that they are just sterile by default from FEV

>contrary to belief, Gen 3 synths will age... not in the same way as a human but it will have very similar effects as their various equivalent systems wear and tear... this will likely even have visual effects as their skin stretches and loses elasticity. the Gen3 advances make them far more susceptable to failure due to age than Gen1 or 2. tho its likely they would have a longer lifespan than humans.

>The FEV likely made it so they can't. My guess would be if they could the Institute would do that instead of making more.
What do you think?
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Rolled 77 (1d100)

>>1481156
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>>1481162
>>1481156
You've piqued her interest. A vertibird flight does sound fun, she wonders where you would take her.

She seems like she hasn't really seen much of the outside of the Mojave in general, which obviously few people here have.
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>>1481161
I don't see how the FEV made it so. If they got the DNA from Shaun, then that shouldn't be a problem.

>>1481169
Lets take her to Big Mt. with us. She could tinker all day
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>>1481161
There is a fair point about their cells not reproducing but the fact is they are apparently biologically indistinguishable from humans. A cell living forever is kinda a giveaway...

The Synths aren't made using FEV. So that point is a bust.

As to them being able to reproduce making the Institute's production method pointless, that would require a female one being essentially unable to work for 6 months and a developmental period of 18 years until near full development afterwards.

Where as their current method takes a few minutes at most.
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>>1481176
>Offer her a trip to Black Mountain on a vertibird

Confirm?

It would necessitate you have to search for additional fuel to make at least one return trip to BigMT, but she would give you her entire junkyard.
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>>1481186
Seems like a fair trade. Also give her a drink and some sandwiches to enjoy during the flight or something. If nothing else, it is a nice little extra.
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>>1481186
Yes
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>>1481186
>>1481191
>>1481089
>>1481092
So we could either do the right thing and give her a trip we're gonna make anyways, or jack her shit despite the much lowered price. Hm... touch choice.
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>>1481186
yes, that's good. Alcohol is a fuel right?
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>>1481186
>There
Wait we're going to Big MT? Wouldn't they shoot us down?
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>>1481205
Charlie and Frank think so
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>>1481205
Under the right conditions, yes. In a jet engine, certainly. In a conventional rotor engine? Depends on the design and limits / tolerances.
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>>1481191
>>1481193
>>1481205
>Yes

---

>Old Lady Gibson
"Oh. . .I think, I would love to ride an aircraft see such a place with my own eyes. Maybe I can learn how to make even better robots there?"

[SUCCESS]

(Sadly there is no more cash register noise due to max level)
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>>1481180
>The Synths aren't made using FEV. So that point is a bust.
Actually there is a link that the Gen 3 synths are connected to FEV.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_research_notes
They experimented with FEV and probably have even began hunting for pure humans(As the end shows) but we don't know what the results were, the gen 3 synths might have a FEV related component, they might not.
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>>1481231
>(Sadly there is no more cash register noise due to max level)
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
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>>1481235
They needed Shaun because every human was infected with the FEV and they couldn't make pure humans. Now they can
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>>1481235
>>1481241
>They needed Shaun because every human was infected with the FEV and they couldn't make pure humans. Now they can
You know, this sounds like something the Enclave tried to do.
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>>1481244
Well the Institute doesn't want genoc-wait fuck.
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>>1481231
and we need to go to Black Mountain anyways, for some reason , soon, right?
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>>1481235
Wait, just noticed this bit.
>The two most promising strains of FEV have been adapted to an ideal state, but... we're still missing something. I am officially echoing the team's position: the most likely progress for our research on synthetic organics requires new avenues of exploration.
It is highly likely the FEV is somehow used to create synthetic organs.
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>>1481249
So every choice was shit in 4, but the Institute was the only moderately shit one?
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Old Lady Gibson aggree's to handing you her Scrap Yard.

You've got lots of scrap metal now! Fulfilling another of the Brain's requirements.

However you still have no water tank, among other things.

--COTTONWOOD COVE--
>>>>>Food: Plentiful
>>>>>Water: Average
>>>>>Morale: Above Average
>>>>>Medicine: Plentiful
>>>>>Armaments: Plentiful
>>>>>Current Pop: 89
>>>>>Military:
6 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
16 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Willow, Ares, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans
17 Settlement Militia (Firearms)
11 Ad-Hoc Melee-Armed Militia
8 Fanatical Civilians
>>>>>Prisoner: 1 Legionaire Recruit
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Below Average)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Old World Houses. Tents. Prisoner Pen. 2 Garden Farms (Medium, Primitive). Pump Irrigation. Bath Tub Pots. Medicine Shack. Animal Pen (Small), *Raul's Workshop*
>>>>>Defenses: Wooden Watchtower. Concrete Structures (Weakened Slightly).
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird
>>>>>>Power: None
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (++Huge) Electronics (++Extra Abundant) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (Intact)
>>>>>>Weapons: Average Legion Melee Weapons (+Moderate, Pristine) Average Legion Firearms (+moderate, Pristine). Mercenary Battle Rifles (Moderate, intact) Average Plasma Rifles (+Moderate, Intact) Average Laser Rifles (+Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Abundant) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor: Average Leionaire Armor (+Moderate, Pristine) Good Centurion Armor (+Tiny, Intact)
>>>>>>Technology: River Silt Fertilizer. Manure. Delilah's Voodoo. Arcade's Chems. *1 Sierra Madre Vending Machine*
>>>>>>Sierra Madre Chips: None
[Research Capability and Assets: None]
>>>>>>Other:
+3 Allied Followers
+2 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
>>>>>>Research Items/Items of Interest: none
>>>>>>Communications: (Devil's Brigade Radio)

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 27
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>>1481255
Oh and you also have found enough scrap cloth and have washed it by the river, fullfilling that "hygiene need"
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>>1481254
No, I actually think that the institute is the worst choice, Before you grab your pitchforks and torches, if you want me to explain, just ask.

>>1481255
>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
We obviously need a large water tank, so lets go down by Lake Mead and see if we can find one somewhere around there. I think I remember there actually being one there.

>Civ
Have our "smart people" look into ethanol fuel. There aren't any other places we can really get fuel from, so we might have to make it
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>1481255
backing this guy >>1481259
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Rolled 61 (1d100)

>>1481259
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>>1481235
>They experimented with FEV and probably have even began hunting for pure humans(As the end shows) but we don't know what the results were, the gen 3 synths might have a FEV related component, they might not.
>>1481244
>>1481249
>>1481254
>>1481259
The Institute went full Enclave without even realizing it.
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>>1481259
I can't run 4 on my PC, and I can't bear to sit through the story at length, so why is the Institute the worst option compared to all the retards that make up the other factions?

Also I support you choice of action for this turn
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>>1481235
>>1481253
And here's one more thing.
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/The_Institute_terminals#2287.2.10
>Entered by: Virgil.B
>I have officially assumed the lead role on the project after Dr. Syverson's passing.
Latest round of subjects show results similar to previous test runs over last 5 years. No statistical deviation noted.
>Synthetic organics continue to perform well; the necessity of further tests is unexplained.
>Entered By: Virgil.B
>Notes: Nothing new. Always the same. Have entered formal complaint with Directorate; these tests are not bringing in any valuable information. The organics project was spun off decades ago. Why do we insist on continuing this?
I am putting money on the FEV being the basis of the Gen 3 Synths now.
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

>>1481259
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>>1481270
Personally from the youtube video's I'm not very happy that there's no more ending which tells you the results of your efforts, NV did that better.

Also the four limited dialogue wheel thing. I liked the FNV's dialogue system, and I can't imagine how that affects FO4 modding.

NV and even FO3 lent itself to the modding community quite well.
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>>1481283
Wasn't one of the first mods made for 4 that one that scraps the dialogue wheel and replaces it with the classic dialogue box system?
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>>1481255
do>>1481259

>>1481270
Everyone else actually wanted to do things. The institute wanted to sit in their compound dicking around with science. Like you could understand and sympathize with parts of the other groups, but the institute was basically "Fuck the surface, we're better, because we're scientists."
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>>1481259
Supporting.
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>>1481259
[LOCKED]

>writing
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>>1481291
The institute really is the worse faction, they don't even do FUN science that the Big MT does.
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>>1481291
So literally sitting on their hands all day when they could spread tech across the wasteland or do anything more than nothing at all with it.
Ok. So all of the ending were shit then.
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>>1481272
The Institute was trying to make super humans but accidentally made Super Mutants, so that's when they switched focus to the Synths full time. Or that's how I saw it as.

>>1481270
Alright, so we have the 4 main factions, but we won't focus on the (((Railroad))) or the Minutemen(Libertarians), as we are going to talk about the BoS and the Institute.

So we have their ideologies. The institute is this hyper-intellectual faction that relies on tech for all their bidding, and uses it to wipe out settlements, wipe out settlement governments, and deploy Supermutants into the commonwealth. While they have argued that they want to help the surface, they have done nothing of the like, kidnapping people and replacing them.

The Brotherhood is a newly reformed BoS chapter that has become incredibly powerful. They still see tech as dangerous, but are not super assholes to the locals, even recruiting them. They are very powerful, rivaling even the Enclave now probably. They see themselves as saviors and protectors of humanity, and want to wipe out the Supermutants (that the enclave created) and the Synths (that the enclave created.) I agree that both of these things are terrible and need to be wiped out.
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>>1481291
>>1481308
>>1481313
>>1481314
Was the Institute inspired by the Enclave?

>>1481259
>>1481291
Also, are you two the same anons?
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>>1481320
>Was the Institute inspired by the Enclave?
No. The Enclave actually had stuff they wanted to do.
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>>1481320
Maybe. Also, the Institute is "Enclave" but more efficient and they had goals

And patriotism
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>>1481320
>Was the Institute inspired by the Enclave?

The makers of F4 needed something to 'fill' the whole 'muh evil tech route' so they made the Institute because Ohboy we can't have Enclave anymore.
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>>1481325
>The institute is more patriotic that the Enclave.
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>>1481325
Anon, I can't tell if its cause I need sleep, or it was you. but did you say the Institute was more efficient, had better goals and were more American then the Enclave?
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>>1481325
Wait I fucked that up.

Also, the Enclave is "The Institute" but more efficient and they had goals

And patriotism
>>1481327
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>>1481327
False. Patriotism is measured in forks lost under steel gratings.
The Enclave literally can't be beat on that front.
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>>1481334
That's better anon.
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>>1481320
We have unique numbers anon. first guy is eHd, im E0e. Its just a common thought the institute is shit.
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>>1481325
>>1481334
It's okay anon, it was an honest Freudian slip.

>>1481291
>>1481339
Wanted to check if I was mistaken because it sounded like you were responding to that one post as the other anon.
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>>1481341
I'm so tired anon
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>>1481343
You can go to sleep. Sleep softly and you can awake to a Mojave filled with the glories of Communism.
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>>1481343
That tiredness is the Institute's first step to institutionalizing you.

>>1481343
>>1481345
Yeah, there was absolutely nothing suspicious in his statement for a patriotic, capitalist American.
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>>1481345
>Communism
RED DEVIL DETECTED! PATRIOTISM PROTOCOLS REINSTATED!
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>>1481345
>>1481349
>>1481353
It's too late, the revolution will begin.
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>>1481359
the courier's America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBMqRyLs9_8
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>>1481259
>Hero+Repair
Lucky for you, your intuition was right. There's plenty of Water Tanks near Lake Mead. Granted, all of them are rusted and old, but with a bit of repairs by Raul you manage to patch one up. Fresh clean water container ready for filling and transport!

However, there is something disturbing as you were there. Two fortresses overlook the lake, Hoover Dam, and Caesars Fort.

And from his hill top you hear the pounding of drums. Drums, drums of the deep, and a massive sound of marching feet crawling behind the hills.

Something big is coming. Soon.

>Civ

>Arcade
"Ethanol, yes, the process is known to us for some time now.

The difficulty is that it takes about 23 pounds of corn to produce a single gallon of Ethanol.

Corn is also slow to grow, and not to mention, difficult. Something about the post war soil or the radiation. The Boneyard says the NCR has some cornfields after great difficulty to produce a few hundred gallons which they ration out to the limited trucks they have.

We don't have nearly the capability and fertile soil to grow enough Corn here in Cottonwood Cove for a significant amount of fuel.

However, were you to somehow come up with several tons of corn, the followers would know what to do with it"

+[Ethanol Distillation Blueprints]
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>>1481359
REEEEEE
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--COTTONWOOD COVE--
>>>>>Food: Plentiful
>>>>>Water: Average
>>>>>Morale: Above Average
>>>>>Medicine: Plentiful
>>>>>Armaments: Plentiful
>>>>>Current Pop: 89
>>>>>Military:
6 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
16 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Willow, Ares, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans
17 Settlement Militia (Firearms)
11 Ad-Hoc Melee-Armed Militia
8 Fanatical Civilians
>>>>>Prisoner: 1 Legionaire Recruit
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Below Average)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Old World Houses. Tents. Prisoner Pen. 2 Garden Farms (Medium, Primitive). Pump Irrigation. Bath Tub Pots. Medicine Shack. Animal Pen (Small), *Raul's Workshop*
>>>>>Defenses: Wooden Watchtower. Concrete Structures (Weakened Slightly).
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird
>>>>>>Power: None
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (++Huge) Electronics (++Extra Abundant) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact)
>>>>>>Weapons: Average Legion Melee Weapons (+Moderate, Pristine) Average Legion Firearms (+moderate, Pristine). Mercenary Battle Rifles (Moderate, intact) Average Plasma Rifles (+Moderate, Intact) Average Laser Rifles (+Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Abundant) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor: Average Leionaire Armor (+Moderate, Pristine) Good Centurion Armor (+Tiny, Intact)
>>>>>>Technology: River Silt Fertilizer. Manure. Delilah's Voodoo. Arcade's Chems. *1 Sierra Madre Vending Machine*
>>>>>>Sierra Madre Chips: None
[Research Capability and Assets: None]
>>>>>>Other:
+3 Allied Followers
+2 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
>>>>>>Research Items/Items of Interest: none
>>>>>>Communications: (Devil's Brigade Radio)

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 28
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>>1481384
Well we still need fuel. Is it just general aviation fuel then? Mccarran might have what we need.
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>>1481384
SHIT IT'S THE BATTLE FOR HOVER DAM!
We need to take over the Securitrons now!
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>>1481390
they're just rallying up, with a bit of peacocking. Though we should probably go activate the securitrons and solve the House issue sooner rather than later.
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Rolled 84 (1d100)

>>1481387
>Hero
Get the securitron army up and running and deal with House. NOW.
>Civ
Have Raul begin producing Sierra Madre chips. That irradiated tank should work well.
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Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>1481390
Alright, let me draw up the plan for the battle then

>>1481387
>Hero
With all the drugs the courier has collected, it should be more than enough for Vault 3. Give them all the drugs the courier has and tell them they are yo attack McCarran during the battle with everything they have. The courier will then get the securitron army started from The Fort while going to take care of house by putting him in stasis (I think)

>Civ
Have every cottonwood citizen be trained into militia just in case
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Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>1481387
or now is good. do >>1481394
securitrons first
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>>1481396
>With all the drugs the courier has collected
You haven't collected a Civ's worth of Chems.
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>>1481400
Even for the vault 3? How much are they looking to get?
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>>1481394
This.
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>>1481402
dude, roll
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>>1481406
We already have 3 there's no need.
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Rolled 47 (1d100)

>>1481401
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>>1481401
>>1481410
>Niner
"Lemme do something."

He picks up some chalk, and starts walking around the room, his arm raised above his head. He starts drawing a trail along the walls, until he makes a complete circle to where he started.

"I think this should be enough to take care of everyone for a while."
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>>1481416
Well I guess it's an answer. but a smartass one
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>>1481394
>>1481398
>>1481402
[LOCKED]

>Writing
>>
Morning, who's up.

You guys just started the House Quest so this will be interesting
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>>1481757
Hello. I've never some any of houses quests so let's see how it goes
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1481387
>>1481394
>>1481457
ROlling in support.
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>>1481760
>Hero
Get the securitron army up and running and deal with House. NOW.

---

You have decided that the time has come.

To take the Securitrons.

You know that there are two sources of Securitrons, House's army beneath the Fort, and House's smaller army in Vegas, which is normally dispersed throughout the strip.

House himself is in his Lucky 38.

You've only visited him a few times, when he told you to find and get the Platinum Chip from Benny.

So now, what do you plan to do?

>Go to the Lucky 38, and take it over first
>Go to the Fort and Upgrade the Securitrons there first
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>>1481762
We should probably go to the fort so he can upgrade them, then we take him out right after.
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>>1481762
>>1481766
If we do this, will House be more guarded than before, or can we still walk in as usual?
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>>1481773
We just did what he wanted us to, I'm p sure he'd be more open to us.
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>>1481762
>>1481776
Hm. But if this is the case, will this encourage House to send in his forces and prematurely start the battle?
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>>1481780
No, House never starts the battle as that would consume more resources than letting the other two sides weaken themselves first. He is a numbers man and his numbers state that firing the first shot isn't useful in this case.
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>>1481762
>Go to the Fort and Upgrade the Securitrons there first


We should send someone to see the Boomers and such about being in position for the battle. We have 10 or so companions, we can probably send a few to our allies.
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>>1481791
The Boomers automatically understand what to do when the battle begins. The real question is, did you tell them to:

CHOOSE:
>Bomb the NCR!
>Bomb the Legion!

The Boomers are war hungry and were probably going to attack somebody without you anyway.
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>>1481793
>Bomb the Legion!


Also send someone to tell the Fiends and any other gangs and shit that the battle is going down and that if they want to attack NCR places without retribution this could be their only chance.

Also see if we can't get the New Khans on side for this attack.
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>>1481793
>Bomb the Legion!
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>>1481793
>>1481795
2nd. Get all the criminal elements on the NCR, get the Boomers and other more notable allies on the Legion.
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>>1481766
>>1481791
2 for the fort
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>>1481802
Think we could convince the kings to attack the NCR in free-side? I know for a fact those orphan children we have there could open fire but I get the feeling they'd get overwhelmed.

Another idea, we need to go and see best friend and ask if he wants to kill a bunch of NCR guys.

We should also see about operation Killer queen. One stealthy companion and one orbital laser cannon aiming system into any NCR bases or strongholds. Specifically camp golf.
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>>1481810
>Another idea, we need to go and see best friend and ask if he wants to kill a bunch of NCR guys.
He might, he already killed a bunch since they happened to be near the Quarry.

>Think we could convince the kings to attack the NCR in free-side? I know for a fact those orphan children we have there could open fire but I get the feeling they'd get overwhelmed.
So we either get some reinforcements for the orphans, or get some diversionary elements to support the orphans.

>We should also see about operation Killer queen. One stealthy companion and one orbital laser cannon aiming system into any NCR bases or strongholds. Specifically camp golf.
We might need to see those list of plans posted again since it's a new thread.
>>
If you guys want to discuss which alternative factions you want to convince in the battle, now is a good time for that discussion.

Propose, and vote, on whatever plans of assault you've set up for different factions etc.

I'd love to see what utter mayhem you guys are capable of thinking of
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>>1481818
>I'd love to see what utter mayhem you guys are capable of thinking of
We get the NCR and Legion to pay for all these expenses.
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>>1481815
I have the list saved onto my computer and can call it up if you want.


Also, something that just occurred to me, we can make use of our Vertibird which drastically increases our mobility. However I would reserve it for transporting the last minute diplomats.


What companions have 8+ CHA?
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>>1481822
>What companions have 8+ CHA?
Axe Man, of course.
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APPROVED
1) Operation sundown: Deployment of forces to secure HELIOS solar array for tactical and economic uses as well as the morale loss it will inflict on the NCR.

2) Operation Et tu: Elimination of as many Legion assets as possible by use of boomer bomber to drop bombs on their camp.

3) Operation Trojan: Bribing (with poisoned drugs?) of Vault 3 raiders into attacking NCR base, eliminating of Vault 3 home-guard followed by elimination of returning raiders (OR an assault on the now weakened NCR base).

4) Operation Mutual enemy: Convincing the New Khans to aid us by attacking NCR bases, in return for supplies. Pay in full and politely.

5) Operation Killer queen: Deployment of a covert operator with the HELIOS weapon system to {target to be selected} (Camp golf?) to cause maximum damage and chaos before pulling out / moving to a new target. Operator should cease if they are worried about being detected or come under fire.

6) Operation Burnt granary: A covert operator will wait in NCR base Camp McCarran. There, once the attacks begin elsewhere, they shall sabotage the NCR logistics trucks by any means with the secondary goal of keeping them in a recoverable state. Primary goal is to deprive the NCR of hard to replace assets.

7) Operation Hell's gate: Deployment of boomer artillery to fire on the NCR outpost to their core lands.
??? Using shells taken from the "left field" artillery field testing facility in Big MT to irradiate the area. (Make no mention of the effects of the shelling?) (Either move in after to clear base or leave to subject enemies to radiation / confusion, rapidly clear out forces to avoid combat?)

8) Operation Lincoln: Deployment by whatever means and with whatever resources possible to Legion-side of the river, goal to free as many slaves as possible (and secure the land?).

UNAPPROVED
1) Operation A dozen bees, one hornet: Convince the general dregs of the wastes gangs to attack NCR positions (in legion uniforms). Eliminate all survivors of both sides to maintain good public image (mention none of this to common troops who will perform clean up?).
>>
To note, factions you can have relationships with based on your "playthrough".

Standing status are static, you will have to change them with civ actions. Loyalty means either Pro-NCR or Pro-Legion (or Anti).

Idolized means you can convince them who to attack. Friendly means you need to give them a reason/incentive to attack

Powder Gangers - Standing Now: Neutral Loyalty: (Anti NCR)
Fiends - Standing Now: Friendly Loyalty: (Anti NCR)
Great Khans - Standing Now: Idolized Loyalty: ???
Strip Tribes - Standing Now: Idolized Loyalty: ???
Deathclaw Kingdom - Standing Now: Friendly Friendly Loyalty: (Anti-Humans)
Boomers - Standing Now: Idolized Loyalty: ???
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>>1481822
>>1481825
Thanks for the list.

>>1481822
>Also, something that just occurred to me, we can make use of our Vertibird which drastically increases our mobility. However I would reserve it for transporting the last minute diplomats.
This reminds me, are we participating in the Battle for Hoover Dam or are we still making that exodus to the BigMT first?

>>1481826
>Powder Gangers - Standing Now: Neutral Loyalty: (Anti NCR)
Is that NCR Detention Facility still staffed with Powder Gangers or are they all gone?
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>>1481825
I wouldn't be so sure on the whole "Approved" thing, nothing is official until an actual vote count.

Also there's several logistical constraints with several of these.
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>>1481827
Yup its the Prison.

They are neutral to you because you didn't support or fight them at Goodsprings, but you haven't yet wiped them out.

You can vote to have wiped them out though.
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>>1481826
Convince them all, except the boomers, to attack NCR positions and troops. Argue this is their only chance to push the NCR out and to raid their bases.

If they are worried about the Legion winning, state that we have other forces moving to combat them and just want to be sure the NCR will be too weak to remain.

Provide ammo, meds, chems, food and so on to convince them as needed.


As to the Boomers, tell them to open fire on the Legion base and so on with their bomber but that they should attempt to deploy their Howitzers against any NCR assets they can hit.
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>>1481828
>>1481825
It was approved from the last discussion is what I think he meant, but this was before we finished repelling the Zetan invasion.

>>1481829
>You can vote to have wiped them out though.
Nah... Let's let them wipe themselves out in the battle.
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>>1481832
>As to the Boomers, tell them to open fire on the Legion base and so on with their bomber but that they should attempt to deploy their Howitzers against any NCR assets they can hit.
But make sure that they avoid civilian centers. The Boomers are what I think would be the easiest to integrate peacefully into us.
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>>1481827
The plan is to participate in the battle, force the NCR / Legion back and take over all House assets before evacuating to the Big MT. Leaving the Securotrons to defend Nevada and NV.

>>1481828
Logistics won't be a problem. We have a vertibird for mobility but I believe you are referring to the promises of drugs / supplies for aid. This is because we can offer these supplies as a series of smaller payments and such.

>>1481833
Yeah I did mean that.

>>1481834
Correct, avoid the slave pens as much as possible.
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>>1481825
Sounds good to me
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>>1481762
>>Go to the Lucky 38, and take it over first
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>>1481836
>The plan is to participate in the battle, force the NCR / Legion back and take over all House assets before evacuating to the Big MT. Leaving the Securotrons to defend Nevada and NV.
This sounds like it'd work.

>>1481836
>We have a vertibird for mobility but I believe you are referring to the promises of drugs / supplies for aid. This is because we can offer these supplies as a series of smaller payments and such.
>This is because we can offer these supplies as a series of smaller payments and such.
>a series of smaller payments and such.
Hire your own band of criminal mercenaries for a false flag operation now for the low-low price of 100 payments of a roomful of Psycho and Jet!
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>>1481839
Please change to the Fort please. If nothing else it will reduce the losses of securotrons before we lose the ability to cross the river entirely and get to the fort because everyone is at the dam fighting.
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>>1481833
What I mean to say is nothing is official till I count an official vote, so if you wanna approve these I'll have to open up a vote for them.

This will be a very crucial aspect of the Quest, with huge ramifications to the future, so I'd like to have as many anon's able to voice in their opinion to it as much as possible.

>>1481825
1. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
2. Doable
3. The fiends request payment
4. You'd need to decide and get payment for them
5. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
6. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
7. Those shells are of a much larger calibre than the one's that are used by the Booomers
8. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
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>>1481841
>This sounds like it'd work.
Of course it does, it was made by our collective after about an entire nights discussion.

Also yeah but we have to hope we aren't paying by the bullet or the Fiends are going to be expensive as fuck.
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>>1481842
Well if anything it would be easier to get to the fort then. We don't have the securitrons under control right now, do we?
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>>1481843
>>1481845
Oh wait, I just remembered that the Brain mentioned that while we would be able to hold New Vegas, we won't be able to hold the surrounding Mojave territory that'd fall to banditry from a lack of supplies.

>>1481845
>Also yeah but we have to hope we aren't paying by the bullet or the Fiends are going to be expensive as fuck.
>Also yeah but we have to hope we aren't paying by the bullet
>paying by the bullet
We Metro 2033 now?
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>>1481843
>1. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
The Vertibird and it's compliment of Ex-Enclave soldiers backed by as many of our companions as we can spare and it can carry.

>2. Doable
Good to know.

>3. The fiends request payment
We can pay them over the coming months in smaller amounts of chems. Also point out to them that if any of them die, it means more drugs for the rest of them, so getting into a fight benefits them. Also that the NCR has the shit to make chems in their base plus their own stocks of chems.

>4. You'd need to decide and get payment for them
Food, medicine and trained medical personnel. Plus we won't restrict them to the canyon like the NCR does.

>5. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
>6. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
One of our stealthier companions given a few stealth-boys if possible, their needed / preferred weapons and no more support than that unless they want it.

>7. Those shells are of a much larger calibre than the one's that are used by the Boomers
Okay, but what you are saying is that they can open fire using their own stocks of shells, correct? What targets can they hit for us?

>8. Decide who and how many forces you want for this, will take a combined troop movement action.
I would suggest our Militia but this plan is something we still need to discuss and decide on. Fellow anon's what do you think?


>>1481846
Nope. However I would point out that in House's tower there is only about 5 Securotrons at the very most, along with a few protectotrons. So activating their secondary systems won't be too problematic for taking over...probably.

>>1481854
True but I have a bunch of plans to further augment our forces by repairing robots from ruins, getting the MK 5 securotron OS to make them stronger, convincing other groups to merge / join with us and shit.
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>>1481859
But if we activate the ones at the fort, and we aren't in control, it adds in unneeded variables.

Also, we have the Chinese stealth suit we could give them, but I agree we should train every cottonwood citizen to be militia and equip them well. It will bring us lower in a few places, but maybe we could find the ammo we need. As for Helios, our ENclave with one or two heroes should be enough.
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>>1481859
Clarification: They request payment now. You'd need to find a civ's worth of drugs, rather than promises.
The Khans, if you vote to convince them, hate the NCR enough to be paid on promises.

>What targets can they hit for us?
Whatever you want to convince them to, if you get enough votes for these actions, I will open up options.
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>>1481866
>Clarification: They request payment now. You'd need to find a civ's worth of drugs, rather than promises.
Anyone know of any places with a huge stash of drugs that aren't the places we're hiring?
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>>1481865
True but if the battle ends and we've still to upgrade the Securotrons then we can't win the fight. However we can take control from Mr House without any great risks after the battle for the dam if it comes down to it.

>>1481866
Can we trade for a Civ unit of drugs? Can we produce that much or do we even have anything near that in our stores?
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>>1481868
The followers of the apocalypse could probably supply us, assuming we could pay.

That or we could see about the various casinos of NV. As I swear one or two of them sell chems...
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>>1481872
Well we don't have the cash for buying all those drugs, so we could make some. We have animals for jet
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>>1481875
Yeah and we do have a replicator to make stimpacks and shit.
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>>1481877
But QM said that it was only enough to supply the courier I think
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>>1481869
>Can we trade for a Civ unit of drugs?
Certainly, just decide who to and for what.

>Can we produce that much or do we even have anything near that in our stores?

>Arcade
"Most of our drugs and those the vending machine can produce are purely medicinal, I don't think the type of drugs we have is the ones the Fiends want."
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Current tallies are 2 for the Fort, 1 for the Lucky 38
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>>1481881
Dunno who we could buy it off of but I say we sell them food, legion weapons and electronics.

We can certainly supply them with Jet. Seeing as we have Brahmin.


"Oh please, a drug is a drug. If it works to get you high or anything like that they'll take it as payment. So just get cracking seeing what hallucinogens and feel-good drugs we know about and can make."
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>>1481891
>Arcade
"I hope that's desperation talking, because I know you have the medical exprience to know pharamocology.

If you're asking a member of the followers if they know or want to produce narcotics and street chems, you're asking the wrong person.

Supposing you were to find someone who knew how to make those things, then we could trade and modify our current stockpile. That wouldn't leave us with much for the trip for an emergency unless you plan to produce them while on the journey."
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>>1481896
"Ah but you know enough about the human mind's chemical interactions and chemistry to throw the right shit together given time to do the calculations and examinations. We don't have time though I am just trying to explain to you how much you could make with even a little practice.

However if you don't want to do it because of an ethical problem with it, fair enough. I can respect you've taken some sort of oath not to harm a patient."


Okay, so we need a professional pill-pusher. A expert in wholesale hallucinogens. A producer of powders. Anyone know where we could find a bandit or other such individual that could make such stuff...wait, that one bandit girl that Niner has with him that we could've had as a companion. She was a free-range bandit and must know how to make chems! Perfect, we just need to drag her over so she can explain how to throw the right shit together and then she can wander off.
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>>1481901
>Niner
"Oh yeah, yeah! My #2 girl Cyan right here. She knows how to treat me and the fiends well.

Alright, so if you give me the meds, I can have Cyan here cook em up into whatever the fiends need. That oughta convince em to fight.

I tell you what though, these fiends they got heart, but they're shit fighters. I could beat em all man on man yeah.

Could use some weapons to boost their strength. Who do you want us to attack anyway?"
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>>1481905
"We can supply you with weapons and armour of primarily Legion origin. We want you to attack as many NCR places as you can in the area and to avoid killing civilians where possible.

Also, keep this deal on the quiet side, okay? We have a reputation to maintain and most people don't take kindly to those who'd associate with the Fiends."
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>>1481908
"Sure thing Six. You're the man with a plan."

I will be compiling all of these into a single vote for convenience, but you have essentially opened up the option to convince the fiends to fight.
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>>1481909
I do so enjoy convincing others to do our fighting for us.
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Don't forget to vote on where to go first.
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>>1481913
I already did op. I was the first.
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>>1481912
If we use the Helios array on Camp Golf, it could swing the battle in our favor so we will do that after the NCR is going to win. We could fatman the entirety of Camp Forlorn hope too
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>>1481843
Don't listen to them. We already have to focus elsewhere.
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>>1481843
Wait could the artillery in Big Mt. reach NCR land?
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>>1481913
Fort, then lucky 38 bomb the NCR
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>>1481953
Nope, much too fare

>>1481940
You have already powered Helios 1 to shuffle power to ARCHIMEDES II (the satellite based weapon) and away from ARCHIMEDES I (the short ranged plant defense system)
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>>1481979
That's what I meant, the laser guided sun laser
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>>1481952
If we are shown to be the majority, logically speaking he has to listen to us.


Also, it's not like we aren't moving to Big MT under this plan.
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>>1482018
We just want to make sure we aren't leaving the Mojave a flaming mess after we are gone
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>>1482020
Yeah, or at the very least that the flames are isolated to our enemies.
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>>1482018
I also take into account different time zones and that not everyone is on at the same time. For low level votes that aren't extremely significant I can allow the majority vote of whoever is here at the time. For big improtant stuff, I'd like all to have their say in case its not a case of the majority who are here right now.

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3 for the Fort First [LOCKED]

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Currently LOCKED Faction decisions:
3 Votes [Locked] Tell the Boomers to Bomb the Legion
3 {Defacto Locked - Chosen until Veto'd} Also Tell them to opportunistically shell the NCR
3 {Defacto Locked - Chosen until Veto'd} in >>1481825. Based upon availability.

Further Details to be hashed out later}

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You opt against taking a raft to Caesars legion, knowing any spies he has seeing you sailing from Cottonwood Cove would immediately recognize the association. Instead you swim with Jack's rebreather on, making your way to the fort.

It's surprisingly. . .empty. There's a great mighty roar of noise behind the Legate's camp, but oddly enough only a few Legionaires in the actual fort itself.

You are approached by the usual gatekeeper.
"Ave, true to Caesar."

Returning the greeting you state you plan to go fulfill Caesar's orders, expecting to have to relinquish your weapons.

"That won't be necessary this time. Caesar is with Legate Lanius now, and the Fort has been remobilized to join the army. The great battle is about to begin.

Caesar's orders were for you to proceed unhindered to the bunker to fulfill his will. Do not dissapoint him."

>con't
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>>1482029
>The great battle is about to begin
Shit. Well we didn't get everything we wanted done, and this is going to be an absolute clusterfuck
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>>1482032
Most of our plans will be put in motion very quickly. Especially since we still have our Vertibrid for transport and such.


Also, can we take our companions into the Lucky 38? As that will make it far easier...
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>>1482038
When we take it over? I figured we would just stroll up and shoot the securitrons and kill/save house for later
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>>1482042
True. It's just I'd like some backup and assistance to help carry in the electronics needed to link to Big MT.
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>>1482047
Take Lily? She would be strong enough to carry what we need. If we don't have her we could pick up Veronica in power armor
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>>1482048
You will likely need to use your Truck, and bring at least 7 strong companions to help carry the pieces of both of the electronic parts and the disassembled radio tower and reassemble it at the top.
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>>1482048
We'd need to get them into the building past the NCR, freeside and such.

I find it easier to imagine we can convince House and them to let us in with a few technician type companions than a fuck off huge pile of muscles.
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>>1482051
Well it would be a weird sight with the truck, but I suppose we could take some regular citizens that look bulky and the truck.
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>>1482051
Could we fly that shit in on our Vertibird? Does House have anti-air defences remaining? Would the NCR open fire?
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>>1482056
It is possible, but ostensibly risky, to use the vertibird to lift up the fully assembled tower and then bolt it.

You would need to use up a lot of your fuel stores.

You're not at all sure about what will happen.
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>>1482056
We should just use the truck and some citizens to help. If we need more fuel we could always just go to McCarran
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You enter the Vault, the first thing you see on the left is another big Terminal with House waiting for you.

>House
"You're incredibly late. Perhaps you've noticed but Caesar is on the move. I had anticipated much faster results from one with your reputation. No matter, we still have time."

You decide to feign ignorance, so as not to tip your hand.

>You
[Why did you send me here?]

>House
"The Platinum Chip is a data-storage device. I need you to manually upload the data from the Chip to the facility's primary computer. There's a terminal at the other end of this facility. There's a complication. While I can broadcast to this screen, I can't control any of the facility's systems. That means I can't deactivate its security bots... most of which appear to be active, according to the status board I'm looking at."

>You
[I'll upload the data, as you ask.]

>House
"Good. Needless to say time is of essence now. Don't delay any longer"
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>>1482061
Yeah, lets just use the truck just to be on the safe side.


We should also see about recruiting / diplomatising from / in freeside. Just bring some of our surplus food and meds, heal the poor souls and see if they would be willing to move to our town and keep it running while we leave for a little while, in return essentially becoming the citizens of our state.

Also gets us some good relations with the people we will soon rule and probably would get the kings / followers of the apocalypse on our side.
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>>1482082
Well we are going to need the King to bend the knee when the time comes, so if we prove we can care for his subjects, he can become the mayor of Freeside
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>>1482087
Yeah and we already have all we need for our travel to Big MT in regards to food and shit, so any surplus we can supply to them in return for some of them joining us to run that town while we are away.
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>>1482074
You hear the sound of clankering robots and buzzing turrets.

A small smile creeps on your face as you grab your knife, no need to waste perfectly good bullets today.

You flick on a music holotape you found in one of the houses in BigMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3zetSuYRg

You did need a reason to train that weak right arm of yours. As you walk in your remnant power armor, a handful of securitrons and turrets start pinking a few lasers at you.

You literally walk forward, grinning from ear to ear.

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Several minutes later and a hundred cuts later, you stick the platinum chip into a slot and feel the entire facility shake and hum, stepping out of the Vault and leaving the fort. The sound of beating drums is joined by a chorus of war chants from behind the wall. Night is falling and you see the Hoover dam lit up with the glare of search lights and no doubt the NCR is preparing for something big as well.


Now, to deal with House himself.
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>>1482105
Good to see our character has musical taste.
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>>1482105
Currently, the most straight-forward thing you can think of is bringing at least 6 strong companions and the truck to Black Mountain Radio to take down the Radio Tower there, then and hopefully make your way to the Lucky 38.

>Confirm?
>Other suggestion?
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>>1482111
Can we just hook up the transmitter at Black Mountain?
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>>1482112
Of course, and then use Black Mountain as a stepping stone between BigMT and the Lucky38, although that's not what your brain recommended.
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>>1482119
Fuck. Lets just go to Lucky 38
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>>1482133
Might as well, we can just broadcast our radio station from NV instead without any real downsides.


Also, something I must stress: if we get the chance to kill the Legate, we must. Without him and with Ceaser dying, the Legion will break apart in time.
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>>1482151
Well the funny thing is that keeping the legate alive might do more harm to the legion.

The legate is terrible at politics, ans can only rule through strength. This will definitely lead to different factions propping up, and the legate will not be able to just use brute force to reunite them all together again, as that is not the Caesar way.
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>>1482111
lets just leave the tower and go to the Lucky 38.

>>1482154
The legion is definitely going to suffer the same as Alexander's empire once Ceasar is done. the legate does not have the charisma to hold everything together, so we can swoop in and pick up the pieces.
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>>1482163
Exactly.
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>>1481802
>>1481805
>>1481888
>>1482029
Hey QM, I also voted for the Fort earlier. This brings me back to the first thread.
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>>1482111
Confirm

ALSO HOW DO WE PUT HOUSE TO SLEEP? CALL THE BRAIN
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>>1482261
If we don't kill him, we're going to have to lobotomize or brainwash him
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>>1482261
We just cut the wire connecting him to the Securotron controls and patch them into the jury-rigged radio tower. Brain then takes control and we are done...


It may not be that simple but you get the idea.
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>>1482267
We put him asleep for now. He has alot if shit we can't just let go.

>>1482270
Hence why I said call me brain
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>>1482276
But we will have to either lobotomize or brainwash him in the future
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>>1482261
The Brain provided you information on how to hack House's cryogenic system to initiate an unconscious sleep that would render him asleep, but alive. Just in case killing him or, arguably worse, disconnecting him from all his senses and turning his life into a nightmare as an immoving log in the middle of a black abyss seemed a bit cruel to you.

You could teleport to BigMT right now to ask him further questions, but you have the feeling that things are moving very fast and by the time you teleport there and back (plus having to walk between the Drive In Beacon and New Vegas) a lot might happen in regards to the battle.

Although the Brain did say he felt the battle wasn't as important as his plans, so its your choice whether to go to him or proceed with the current course of action.
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>>1482280
What? No. Last thread it was theorized he could very well convince to join us if we make new Vegas really shine and shit

>>1482281
So we CAN currently hack him? If so good.
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>>1482280
I thought the reason we were going to put him to sleep so was that we could wake him up later when Vegas was all shiny and clean and rich and then offer him his renewed Vegas in exchange for his brilliant mind.
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>>1482286
If we seize control from him, lie to him, and then put him into cryo slumber, it makes no sense that House would even consider working with us.

>Brain, after all this we are about to pull on house, do you think he will consider joining us in the future?
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>>1482281
Proceed with the current course of action and keep him alive in that unconscious state.


>>1482289
Yeah, personally I want to also renew his body so he can actually enjoy his city.
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>>1482289
It was. Worse case. He make him nap forever
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>>1482292
Brain is the one who stated that this was possible and believes House would then join us.
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>>1482292
>>1482301
Your pip-boy doesn't have the range to contact BigMT So to ask the Brain more questions necessitates you go to BigMT now.

>Go to BigMT to consult anyway, he said he didn't think the battle was as important as his plans - and better safe than sorry. You may or may not miss the battle, you can't be sure.
>Proceed with your own plans based on what the Brain told you to do, go to the Lucky 38, hack Houses terminals and build the long range communicator to link up to BigMT

>>1482295
1 vote for proceed
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>>1482329
>Proceed with your own plans based on what the Brain told you to do, go to the Lucky 38, hack Houses terminals and build the long range communicator to link up to BigMT


Just restating my vote from>>1482295 so it'll be a little clearer for you OP.
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>>1482329
>Proceed with your own plans based on what the Brain told you to do, go to the Lucky 38, hack Houses terminals and build the long range communicator to link up to BigMT
We can ask him later and if he says no, then we just kill house
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>>1482329
>Proceed with your own plans based on what the Brain told you to do, go to the Lucky 38, hack Houses terminals and build the long range communicator to link up to BigMT

Its fine, We got this.
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>>1482329
>>Proceed with your own plans based on what the Brain told you to do, go to the Lucky 38, hack Houses terminals and build the long range communicator to link up to BigMT
I don't think there's much to deviate from the plans. Once we get the transmitter up we should be able to directly call our Brain.

>>1482111
>the most straight-forward thing you can think of is bringing at least 6 strong companions and the truck to Black Mountain Radio to take down the Radio Tower there,
>bringing at least 6 strong companions
But will we also be bringing 20 good men?
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>>1482335
>>1482336
>>1482344
So, who has the heist music playing for this bit?

https://celldweller.bandcamp.com/track/good-l-ck-yo-re-f-cked-instr-mental

Is what I have going currently.
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>>1482348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhYSU9bSB8

I just have it in the background, it helps knowing European languages.
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>>1482356
Aye but luckily all languages in Europe (ignoring the Norse) are at least somewhat similar. Thanks to those lovely Roman chaps.

It is a lovely song by the way, always had a thing for war songs.
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>>1482111
>the most straight-forward thing you can think of is bringing at least 6 strong companions and the truck
>>1482348
>So, who has the heist music playing for this bit?
This is all I can think of when you said that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjneVBKi7-k&index=11&list=PLxDh5x6BZY8cpIiThmuJTyrugMHqrvJTP
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>writing
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>>1482361
Fucking Norse. And I agree. Songs from war always have an interesting... feel to them.
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>>1482361
Well, there's germanic and latin based, so really there are 2 linguistic families in Europe. 3 if you count slavic. 4 if you count Finnish and estonian
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>>1482383
Yeah, it's that feeling of morbid beauty like the poems describing the battlefields of WW 1. Their every lyric and word carrying weight and power.

Another example I found rather recently is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgVWJkc5gXE
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>>1482417
True but when I say European languages, the furthest east I go is Istanbul and Poland. Most slavic places lie outside of there.


Also the Finnish, bless their isolationist souls, don't count. Considering they aren't from Europe racially speaking, thanks to their primary origin being the nomadic people from even further east. If I remember rightly that is.
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>>1482421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFUTHcjiZGo

This could go on for hours. This is bad.

>>1482417
too be fair, Most of the modern day stuff is a main mix of Latin with other so its easier.
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>>1482465
>This could go on for hours. This is bad.
Not bad, good and anyhow, I've not even mentioned the shit that really brings a tear to my eye:

Music about the space age and all that good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80VU36nKUZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-mZ9pKvCmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6LiVJkwyA

You listen to those and tell me you don't feel anything.
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>>1481859
For 8 i suggest using the Fort Securitrons, they are already in Legion territory so they can go free slaves until the battle is done.
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>>1482377
You take your Devil's brigade, Mary-Jo, Raul, Veronica, and Arcade leaving behind the rest of your new companions in charge of defense.

You consider that the Legion might actually attack Cottonwood cove as part of an all out offensive, or they might not, but you feel the new help and militia is ready.

Taking the truck to black mountain you unceremoniously begin dismantling it, piece by piece. Its a massive structure, but you don't need the whole thing thankfully, and cut it into pieces that should fit in an elevator. . .although there will be a lot of trips up and down.

Driving to New Vegas, you notice a sense of tension throughout the entire Mojave. The NCR patrols are gone, most likely having been redeployed to a defensive line, and. . .securitrons. Securitrons by ones, by twos, by fives, all converging to the city of light as searchlights.

When you reach the gate of freeside you pass through without difficulty, as curious eyes hiding behind windows stare at you. All of freeside seems to be bolting down.

At the gate to the strip, you stop and park. Here security has been. . .incredibly ramped up. Usually there are no more than four or five securitrons. Now there are something like 50 lining the walls, along with a massed contingent of NCR troops clearly prepared to help hold the strip (but not freeside). You really dont want to have a battle here, that could damage the truck.

These days there seems to be a lot more of everything. You demand passage through, the NCR soldiers look confused but the bots refuse, that is until you use the universal pass code.

>You
[1C 3C R34 M]

>Securitron
<Various buzzing and clicking noises>
"Thank you, sir. You may proceed."

The securitrons move away the concrete roadblocks and open up the gate for your truck, as you drive through. Parking in front of the Strip.

You look all around you at the various Tribe families, the Tops, the Omertas, the White Glove Society. You remember that you:

>Foiled whatever plots they had to attack the NCR during the battle
>Let them be
>other?

The Lucky 38 opens up for you, and you tell your companions to wait outside.

>con't
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>>1482516
That is a very good point, especially since we have so many operations to weaken the NCR in place, we should probably mobilise as many assets as we can against the Legion.
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>>1482519
>Added them in there planes when and if possible if it was against Legion or NCR. However stopped any against Mr. House and yourself by exention.
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>>1482519
>Foiled whatever plots they had to attack the NCR during the battle
side affect of putting loyal people in charge.
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>>1482519
>>Foiled whatever plots they had to attack the NCR during the battle
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>>1482519
>Let them be


That only benefits us. So why not? It'll at least help distract from what we are doing.


>>1482525
I would assume they wouldn't try and attack Mr House, seeing as they generally worship him as a god and shit. As to us, they don't really know much about us besides us being Mr House's hand, so they probably won't interfere.

However if they have any such plans, make sure we had stopped them.
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>>1482534
>>1482529
let'em attack the NCR. we are dealing with the Legion.
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>>1482547
No because it will fuck up the strip
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>>1482550
The strip won't get that fucked up. Both sides are going to be using small arms and grenades. Not tanks and rocket launchers.


Also, chances are the strip would get fucked up anyway from us eliminating the NCR holdings here when we reveal our hand.
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>>1482421
This is a good song, we need to play this on the American radio sometime.
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>>1482561
It's a little bit too morbid in my opinion but yeah it could work.
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>>1482558
We don't want blood in the streets of Vegas. It doesn't jive with PR. Anyways, not much NCR would be in the city during the battle anyhow, and securitrons can just mop up afterwards.
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>>1482082
I like this idea, did we bring some extra food and Meds OP?
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>>1482573
I don't follow your logic in both of your points.
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You head up the elevator of the Lucky 38. There is the big monitor with Mr. House himself, expectantly waiting for you to approach him and talk.

>Talk (what?)
>Ignore him, sneak mode into the console and into his chamber
>Smash the securitrons! To the chamber HO!
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>>1482605
>>Talk (what?)
Lets be /smugcourier/
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>>1482605
COURIER SMASH
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>>1482605
*the terminal that unlocks his chamger
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>>1482605
>Talk to him respectfully about his future and the future of the Wasteland and everything else. Gage his reaction and if his onboard cool. If his against it, sleepy time.
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>>1482558
You don't add more fire to stop your house from burning down anon.
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>>1482605
Backing >>1482616

On lunch break, glad to see this alive
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>>1482605
>>1482605
>Ignore him, sneak mode into the console and into his chamber
we can probably talk to him without popping open his tube, and it would be more earnest. Face to face
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>>1482623
You can't, Gotta pop the tube open and if we're just going for it. Everything turns hostile. We don't have the time to waste with combat.
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>>1482616
That's not suspicious at all and couldn't backfire on us
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>>1482626
Well I meant his future with us and shit like that. He actually TALKS about the future and everything to the Couior in the first place after you do this in the game.
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>>1482631
So ask him our "place" in his future?
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>>1482618
True but when you are trying to burn down the house, why wouldn't you make use of the already lit fire?
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>>1482635
Look, If you can word it better. Please do.

>>1482605
Qm for this here >>1482616 I just want to Gage his reaction and how he feels about theoretic s like what we plan. And to see if sleep is needed.
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>>1482643
Yeah, I'd also like to back >>1482616's plan.
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>>1482641
But we aren't trying to burn down a house, but to keep it from burning down
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>>1482641
How would letting the Tribe families go to town on the strip be useful? It's just more fire on top.
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Come on house. Your smart, don't attack or betray us.
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>>1482651
I am trying to show you have a shit metaphor.


Them killing the NCR benefits us because it means both them and the NCR are weaker without us expending any resources.
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>>1482656
But it also throws the strip into chaos and makes cleanup worse for us
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>>1482653
Because the families benefit from the casino's and work for House who wants to see the strip return to it's former glory. They won't do anything that risks pissing him off and will therefore avoid doing any damage they can to the buildings and reputation of the Strip.

>>1482655
You're.

>>1482658
Except the strip is going to be in chaos no matter what since we will also have to eliminate the NCR presence to get control. This route just avoids us potentially losing loyal forces doing so. As to it making clean up worse, it really won't as at worst there will be some chipped concrete, blood and bodies to get rid of.
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>>1482665
But it is going to be undeniably worse if we let these plans come to fruition. Also, there will be a lot more than just blood
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>>1482672
I doubt that it will be much worse.
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>>1482625
Why not? just knock on the tube, tell him we're having a conversation about the future that shouldn't be interupted.
Better than teleconferencing him and telling him he's gonna be usurped by us.
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>>1482665
>Because the families benefit from the casino's and work for House who wants to see the strip return to it's former glory. They won't do anything that risks pissing him off and will therefore avoid doing any damage they can to the buildings and reputation of the Strip.
But you said they're fighting with grenades, how the hell would they avoid structural damage with grenades?
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>>1482691
well 1. Nobody is supposed to see him in that state/position and 2. Getting to that would be seen as hostile actions, and 3. I don't think he can actually hear us from the outside. Sense it was designed to be air-tight and stuff and sound needs air to travel?
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>>1482695
By using them outside of structures and other such areas?
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>>1482704
Also, chances are they'll be using frag grenades, so at worst it chips the concrete and breaks some windows.
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>>1482704
They can't guarantee that it will stay out of the casinos
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>>1482707
Just watched some youtube videos and you're probably right.
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>>1482702
1. its no less hostile then telling him we're betraying him over videochat,
2. its air tight, not a vacuum. sound travels from the air to the walls to the inside air. he can still hear. And there is a terminal attached maybe he can text through that.
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>>1482723
link?
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>>1482711
We can't garuntee that it will stay out of the Casinos either when we try and eliminate the NCR. Only difference is that these people own the Casino's and could place defences into the structure and so on.
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>>1482727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uL5rF2Sl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxm_QCro6w
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>>1482733
Well how do we know this plan will completely kick the NCR out? What if we have to dig the NCR out anyway?

>>1482736
I thought you were talking about the actual game. Even if these things were similar, show me a grenade going off in a room and the damage after
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>>1482742
>Well how do we know this plan will completely kick the NCR out? What if we have to dig the NCR out anyway?
Because the families are smart enough to know that unless the NCR is removed entirely from the strip, that they will return in greater numbers and continue to assault them until they win.
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>>1482742
Once the NCR lose the dam they will have to fall back. Its the only important strategic objective, and once they don't have it, they have no reason to stay here. especially since most of the mojave would have just became hostile territory.
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>>1482761
And the fact the Legion will not be a threat any longer.
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>>1482750
That doesn't mean the family will be able to completely destroy the NCR

>>1482761
But why wouldn't they want to take back the Strip if IT IS the only strategic objective?
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>>1482765
The NCR is in the mojave for the dam. if they don't have the dam, and its unlikely they will be able to get it they would have to leave to more sustainable positions. They don't have the man power to throw waves at Vegas. They just need this one decisive defeat before they pull back to lick their wounds. In which case, its better to preserve as much infrastructure as possible.Its also better to avoid urban fighting in civilian populations, which vegas and freeside are.
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>>1482726
>Betraying him.
What? No we're not. We're asking him questions and the QM is smart enough to phase it properly.

Pretty sure its vacuumed sealed, It has to stop EVERYTHING unfiltered get in.
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>>1482772
>That doesn't mean the family will be able to completely destroy the NCR
Where in the hell did I say that? Of course these three small families can't take down the literally 100's of thousands strong NCR.

They can however eliminate their presence in the strip for us without us expending any extra resources. As the NCR has moved most of it's forces to the dam for the battle and most of the remaining troops are expecting attack from outside of the walls and thus are not positioned for a attack from the rear.


>But why wouldn't they want to take back the Strip if IT IS the only strategic objective?
Because they'll be in full retreat after the elimination of multiple bases and outposts by our forces and allies. The NCR hasn't got the public support for a huge war with massive losses against a foe like us. They barely had it against the Legion: a threat to the entire life style of their people.
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>>1482772
Because its not. The dam is. Its a secondary objective because holding the strip makes it easier to support the dam. and serves as a fall back point. Staying in vegas just risks getting troops stranded in hostile territory since the Long 15 and Mojave outpost is the only way into the mojave from the west. If we have the dam, NCR will pull out completely.
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>>1482781
Sound isn't a particle, it doesn't get filtered out. Also the line of conversation will turn to what we want and how its different from what he wants. At that point we're a threat, and he's not in the room to be shot.
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>>1482780
>Its better to preserve as much infrastructure as possible.
True but most of where the NCR has holdings lacks significant infrastructure.

>Its also better to avoid urban fighting in civilian populations, which Vegas and free-side are.
Freeside, maybe except the people there are already in hiding and thus won't be in harms way.

As to Vegas, there is very small civil population there and most of it would be inside the Casinos and thus protected by the families.
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>>1482805
Just because they are in hiding doesn't mean they can't be hurt.
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>>1482803
and we can march on him, if need be.
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>>1482806
Seeing as the largest things in use by both sides are grenade launchers and machine guns, it is unlikely they will be hurt inside their boarded up brick structures.
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Rolled 1 (1d100)

>>1482616
Rolling for Reasons
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>>1482841
is that good for us, Or bad for us?
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>>1482805
still a population, and the NCR has the embassy, which won't be an easy nut to crack. Also people don't always hide as well as they'd like, there will be civilian casualties if we bring war into the city. Why have them if we don't need the fight anyways?

The embassy and the monorail station are right in the center of the city, and not all the families were of equal agressiveness in their anti NCR plots. Mainly just Gamorrah, with their arms. The tops had benny, but he's dealt with, and the white masks just wanted to do their cannibalism and become loyal to cesear.
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>>1482841
Uh.. wake us up inside?
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>>1482841
Did house just drop his spaghetti?
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>>1482841
If that is how cooperative House is, then thats not good for us.
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I've been thinking and watching a few videos on the complete automation issue and have come up with the answer for our issue of using robots to replace labor, we simply don't put robots in factories and other labor jobs but instead we put them in peoples homes.
By using distributism and good education to not only guarantee that people have a piece of land but also a robot or multiple robots to do labor they couldn't do alone we increase the labor without people losing their jobs, as they can decide how many robots will help them do their job if they still want to work. This will make even small neighborhoods equal to a factory in production since the homeowners can come together and set up a shared assembly line made up of their personal robots, and if they want to work they can just shut of one of the robots and take it's position.
However this raises the question of how we guarantee people don't turn lazy and just have robots do everything for them, i think we just have to enforce a strong culture of self reliance and personal improvement to fix this, make people interested in sport and other physical activities, make them interested in healthy diets so they farm healthy food and stuff like that.
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>>1482965
We really should not bring that up until we've hit the point it's relevant. That is the most divisive and post consuming topic and is still pretty firmly embedded on both sides.
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>>1482973
Sorry, just wanted to get that out of me before i forgot it.
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>>1482965
Or we go with the far more efficient methods of dealing with our potential labour surplus from a lack of non-intellectual jobs thus far suggested.
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>>1482977
I don't think forcing full automation on the people is the best decision, we should just let them decide if they want their jobs done by robots or not.
Basically it's like every home had a 3D printer and a small assembly line, if they want to work physically they can.
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>>1482985
I know but on the government level we should always peruse the greatest level of efficiency of labour and time possible.


Anyhow, it's not like we are going to be dealing with a true population surplus in this quest for at least a month. Ignoring unusual circumstances.
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>>1482991
True, i simply don't want to force our nation to be scientists and researchers because it's efficient, if they want to research they can do so and if they want to work they can do that too, give them the choice of being replaced by robots.
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>>1482995
>>1482991
guys pls stop
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>>1482991
>>1482995
lets cool of on this discussion until it becomes a decision we have to make. Instead, lets worry about House's inevitable sperg out.
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>>1482841
Mr House listens, silently, as you make your stand for your case. About the things you've seen, the technology and wealth of science and potential resources at your disposal, your plans for not just a bright and shining New Vegas but a brand new world, a new America, free of the vices, sins, and tyranny of the current age, brought forth, not very different in strategy, by advanced technology and intelligent care. Of your plans to return and revitalize Vegas, see it rebuilt by even better robots than could ever have imagined. House himself would play a part in this, ensuring the peace in Vegas, his Vegas, promising him its special place in the New America, while under his watch as it should be.

When you finish making your case, he's silent, then he speaks.

>House
"You are a fool.

The most dangerous kind of fool. Idiots and morons are harmless, but you? You are armed with information, natural ability, persuasion, and the worst of all, misguided determination. You are so sure of your noble goals and visions of a brighter future. . .and yet you are going to run MY Vegas, perhaps even the Mojave into the ground.

Do you think me blind? I've seen the efforts of your actions, your attempts to undermine your enemies everywhere, even your little leper colony by the Colorado River. But I've also seen the fruits of your directed efforts. And to what end?

Chaos.

Utter Chaos.

But I didn't need my Securitrons to show me this. If you want proof, all you have to do is look outside the window."

>con't
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>>1483032
Oh boy. He didn't spill his pasta. Time to gas him.
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>>1482995
I do plan on giving them that choice, at least until we have taken complete control over this earth by which point in time we will have achieved massive increases in the intelligence and such of mankind by genetic alteration, enhanced education and cybernetic additions.

Simply put we constantly relocate them from mine and factories as we automate them until the entire world is done. If they want to work in mines and factories they may well do so because it will allow us to extract resources from them until we can afford to automate them.


>>1482998
>>1483000
Fine but I stick by my plan.

>>1483032
Well, he is unwilling. Time to put him under for now I guess, at the very least until we can disconnect his life support from the controls for the robots and shit.
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>>1483032
Well, goodbye House
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>>1483055
>Simply put we constantly relocate them from mine and factories as we automate them until the entire world is done. If they want to work in mines and factories they may well do so because it will allow us to extract resources from them until we can afford to automate them.
Dude no.
This is exactly what i don't want to happen.
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>>1483053
>>1483057
Hey we can keep him around as a pet and when we make our brighter future, he'll probably forgive us...if not we can just keep him as a pet.
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>>1483063
Honestly put your House boner away. It's over, and he lost. He doesn't share our vision AT ALL. It's time to kill him
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>>1483069
>Willing to give up all his knowledge
>Not use our High-tech knowledge to pump his mind over time as he slept.

Ohboy, Why do you like wasting useful resources anon?
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>>1483063
dude. That's creepy as fuck. Why do you want a hostile withered geriatric as a pet?
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>>1483072
He isn't a god. Whatever knowledge he has, we can always find or recreate. We don't need him to survive.
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>>1483062
What? Why not? They choose their job and we allow them to pursue their wanted careers. It's not our fault that in a private economy, a mine using humans is far less profitable than a robotic one and thus that they'll eventually be put out of a job by private interest to automate.

We as the government can't exactly waste our tax dollars paying people to do unneeded jobs / less efficiently in our mines and factories. If we control the mines then we must extract the most resources as chances are it is a vital industry.

If we don't control the mines and factories, then economics will see them automated.


>>1483069
To be fair I wanted to kill him originally and still kinda do but I feel bad for him since his reasons for not wanting us to do what we are doing are fairly sound.
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>>1483069
This.
I swear if he kills our guys i will lock him up in sensory deprivation.
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>>1483082
Who said he was a god? I said he was being wasteful in just wanting to kill him.
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>>1483077
Eh, he is one of the few people who rivals us mentally besides our brain, who is completely on board with our shit, so having him around is a good moderating influence.
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>>1483087
But anons are talking like if we lose his knowledge the world falls into a pit of despair

>>1483085
House knows nothing of our ability and resources and he is a misguided fool
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>>1483087
We don't have the ability to brain drain though? so why risk it? just shoot him and take whatever files he has. loot his computer system and we should find most of what he knows.
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>>1483092
He is of roughly equivalent intelligence and thus can judge our ideas.
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>>1483092
It'll be a hindrance for sure, but most of it..might? be remade somehow.

>>1483093
We put him to sleep, like the plan was in his perfect world and make it? Why the fuck should we waste the ammo on him when we can just mintor his dreams and lead them into certain states where he could then 'think' of said ideas.
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>>1483085
>They choose their job.
Up to a point.
Sure the period in which we finish conquering the world is far away but just delaying their job termination isn't giving them a choice in my mind.
>It's not our fault that in a private economy, a mine using humans is far less profitable than a robotic one and thus that they'll eventually be put out of a job by private interest to automate.
That might happen and i say we let it happen instead of assuming it will and replacing all the labor with robots. Who knows, maybe buyers will want some human made products.
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>>1483098
In time, all of it will be "rediscovered". Hell, we already have things that are better than whatever he has.

>>1483097
How can he judge when he completely disagrees and is this after or before we put him in stasis? There is no way around what we have to do
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>>1483107
Not really, Even we haven't rediscovered everything in our modern age. Things will always be missed or overlooked.
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>>1483104
yes, and people would want to make products. But jobs like mining and factory work are often taken not because of a desire to work in a mine or factory, but to get money to do other things. There is no need to have an up to a point, because society can use its technology to support itself with zero human input.
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>>1483110
>Not really
After the collapse of the Roman Empire, while it took a while for their tech and engineering to be recreated, it was. Saying we will NEVER be pre-war status again is just silly.
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>>1483124
I'm not talking about Pre-war status. I'm statng that we have not rediscovered all lost Tech or engineering that those in the past had. we have ideas sure, but we haven't connected all the dots and still most likely won't for a long time.
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>>1483032
Outside the window the night air is filled with the sound of gunfire and explosions, flashes of light appearing from east to west.

A great bomber in the sky raining death around Hoover dam. On both NCR and Legion positions, bursting into flames. From beyond the sound of artillery fire as Fort Nellis fills the sky with screaming shells. They land everywhere. Camp McCarran, Forlorn Hope, Camp Golf, sending Legion soldiers and NCR troopers flying alike.

But not just there, a shell lands on Mr. House's monorail smashing it to pieces, another strikes at the Embassy below in the strip, sending chunks of concrete and debris and embers into the street.

Little flashes and lasers and gunfire from the west tell you Niner is beginning his Assault on Camp Mcarran.

Behind you Mr. House starts playing the NCR Radio.

>NCR RADIO
"Uh... Am I broadcasting? I'm broadcasting? Shit, ok. Jesus Christ these reports"

"Riots are breaking out all around Outer Vegas, looters and raiders are attacking any NCR soldiers and civilians they find, others are rampaging through shops, the King's are engaged in fierce battles against both the NCR and the Raiders. We have stray artillery she;ls landing everywhere. People please stay indoors and get underground!"

"I'm receiving reports that Forlorn Hope has been totally overrun, and the Legion is killing civilians as far as the township called Novac."

"What the fuck is happening on the Strip? I'm getting reports that the embassy has been shelled. That was being used as a shelter for NCR citizens from the strip, someone check for survivors."

"I'm recieving reports that Primm is under attack by Powder Gangers. The NCR forces there were undermanned and overwhelmed, they are inside Primm."

"The Khan's are attacking Westside along with several Legionaires. They're killing anyone they suspect may have aided NCR soldiers there.

"My God. . .the refugee camp of Bittersprings has been flattened by whoever is shooting that goddamned artillery. Who is that that's not Legion? No reports of survivors."

>con't
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>>1483119
I agree i just don't want to force automation on the people.
Some people like mining and they should choose to keep mining instead of being replaced because the government says so.
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>>1483131
what the fuck is happening. I thought Shutting down those on the strip and shit weren't going through.
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>>1483131
Opportunistic bombing is not bombing civilian centers
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>>1483104
>Up to a point.
If they are capable of doing the job and there is a need / demand for it then they can find their place. It is not our job as a government to support wastrels and fools.

>Sure the period in which we finish conquering the world is far away but just delaying their job termination isn't giving them a choice in my mind.
It is the best I am willing to do. As in the time between then and now I plan on making huge investments into making "better" humans by whatever methods possible. Even simple things like eliminating alcoholism and drug abuse would massively raise the average intelligence. So that by the time we reach the other side almost all of humanity will be smart enough to work as a researcher or other such role.

>That might happen and i say we let it happen instead of assuming it will and replacing all the labor with robots. Who knows, maybe buyers will want some human made products.
Like I said, this fact is unavoidable and as to buyers wants. I would point out I am using the Diamond age is a basis of this society thanks to similar miracle tech.


>>1483107
Eh, he is a smart man and could prove a good pair of eyes on all of our ideas.


>>1483131
"I admit, those howitzers are hitting a large number of targets I never ordered. I probably should have provided them with a better understanding of what to hit and I'll admit I didn't expect the New Khans to just outright murder civilians, I was expecting better tact but what can you do. As to the powder ganger and legion attacks, I had no involvement in either of those. However the rest of that is exactly as planned. I wish it didn't have to be this way but the deaths of most of these people was already decided."


>>1483138
Yeah we never told them to strike the refugee camp or the Strip but I suppose we should've been more precise in our orders. We only told them to hit any targets of opportunity on either side and not to avoid civilian casualties.


We might want to burn our pair of boons to try and get through this painlessly?
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>>1483154
Actually that is a good point, we never told them to hit civilian centres and it should be simple logic that they shouldn't.


Specifically the wording I used was NCR bases. Places like Camp forlorn and golf but not the strip or a FUCKING REFUGEE CAMP, SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?
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>>1483159
also we never actually agreed on getting all the scum of society to start attacking. It was on the unapproved section of the list. It was the only thing on the unapproved section.

And I realize the boomers are a fucking society where everyone is a militia man. Of course they don't understand civilian targets. They have no civilians.
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>>1483131
>Meanwhile
"Alright youse mugs, you know the drill. Nero's group will be going for the White Glove Society. Sal's group goes for the Tops.

Thank fuck for whoever is throwing that shit from the sky, it masked our explosion in the embassy perfectly. The NCR ain't gonna cause us no trouble while they're in shock.

Once we get out there get caught fighting those any of those goddamn robots or the NCR. Use the gas for cover. Make for the Casino's and kill everyone without a mask that's still breathing. Keep your masks tight, just one breath and-"

There's a big explosion outside and the sound of hissing gas.

"That's the signal. Alright, everyone out!"

---

>NCR
"It sounds like the Omertas are mounting some sort of attack on the Strip. They are using some sort of smoke to give them cover."

"The attack is coming from the Omertas. They are using some kind of gas to kill everyone in the casinos on the strip. How is this possible?"

>con't
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>>1483173
Did the majority vote for leaving it alone? I thought we foiled it
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>>1483173
Well, shit.


I suppose that stopping the families would've been for the best. My bad guys, I take responsibility on this one but I don't think we reached a decision on that vote?
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>>1483173
*"don't get caught"
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>>1483173
I thought we stopped those on the strip?
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>>1483159
>It is the best I am willing to do. As in the time between then and now I plan on making huge investments into making "better" humans by whatever methods possible. Even simple things like eliminating alcoholism and drug abuse would massively raise the average intelligence. So that by the time we reach the other side almost all of humanity will be smart enough to work as a researcher or other such role.
I disagree strongly on this, you're just forcing people to be researchers, i will oppose you every step on the way if i have to.
>Like I said, this fact is unavoidable and as to buyers wants.
No it's not, people have a way of surprising even the most observant of governments and agenda groups, don't make assumptions that all human only businesses will become obsolete.
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>>1483173
Was the 1 literally the worst things that could happen comes to pass? Or did you count the votes and people decided to team up with Big Sal?
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>>1483191
>>1483192
I checked.


There were two votes for either side OP. Technically:

2 for no outright

1 for yes, conditional

1 for yes outright
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>>1483203
Goddamn it guys
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>>1483203
You shits. know what your doing. Look at the quests so you don't accidentally chlorine bomb the strip
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>>1483032
>>1483131
>>1483173
>>1483203
Oh dear god what's going on? I thought we told them to only attack military targets, avoid civilians, and avoid wrecking areas we're overthrowing?
I went away for a bit to check on some other threads and wasn't expecting this to happen.
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>>1483211
It's like they haven't played NV
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>>1483197
>I disagree strongly on this, you're just forcing people to be researchers, i will oppose you every step on the way if i have to.
I am not. Other roles will be available in the military and such.

>No it's not, people have a way of surprising even the most observant of governments and agenda groups, don't make assumptions that all human only businesses will become obsolete.
Not true. I don't assume all human based industries will be obsolete. Sex, music, art, drama, sales and so on will always belong to humanity...maybe not that sex part.

>>1483211
To be honest, I thought this was something OP came up with and didn't check. Sorry, this one is on me. Also, you could've linked to the wiki page or something. That is what I do when I want to bring something of that sort up.

>>1483224
Seems the boomers don't understand the concept of a civilian, despite their origins in a vault less than two generations ago, and the families on the strip had chemical weapons to use.

>>1483225
As if I have ever 100% that game or played it in the last 2 years for longer than 4 hours at most per character.
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>>1483254
You assume all labor based industries will be obsolete, that's what i was saying with that last part.
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>>1483254
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/How_Little_We_Know
bad ending is building a chlorine bomb for cesaer loyalists. and arming them. for 400 caps and a shiny pip boy.
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>>1483272
Extremely immoral
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>>1482841
>>1483211
>>1483254
>>1483272
>tfw giving unclear instructions, a crit fail, and not doing a background check leads to hell being raised.
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>>1483282
this is something we consciiously di, just forgot about apparently.
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>>1483287
I feel like this is a plan we should've gone over with out companions, then.
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>>1483173
"Is this the culmination of your grand strategy? Decimating both the NCR and the Legion?, Sowing the seeds of defeat everywhere you step? I can imagine you did this in the hopes of 'weakening' them all for some grand plan to conquer the Mojave in one fell swoop, as though doing that would bring this 'benefit to humanity' you so speak of. Even I wouldn't have waged war on the NCR mindlessly, they aren't just my best customers, I and the surrounding towns rely on them and their caravans.

I could have prevented some of this along, I could have prevented all of this if you had been a good courier and did as you were told. Informed you, directed you even. It's such a waste. I have to admit, I actually liked your ideas. Had you delivered them to me before your rash action, I might have believed them, perhaps even given my insight. Now much good. . .wasted, my beautiful city tarnished.

Thankfully, this isn't the end. Now, unless you plan on a magic trick to undo this damage and make this utopia appear before my eyes, and give me the Platinum Chip. I've got a lot of cleaning up to do before anything gets any worse."
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>>1483267
Again I don't think all labour based industries will be obsolete. I think that they'll be obsolete in our core and established lands however and those interested in it would simply move to the frontier.

>>1483272
Okay, see this is the way of contributing information to the discussion.

Now if I had had that at the time of the vote (assuming OP isn't going to ret-con what has happened since the vote never concluded and was entirely balanced between the two sides), I would've been a solid no (making it 3 for no and 1 for yes). Still, what is done is done unless OP relents.

>>1483282
Yeah I feel like we should've had OP tell us where they were going to hit and shit.
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>>1483298
>Again I don't think all labour based industries will be obsolete. I think that they'll be obsolete in our core and established lands however and those interested in it would simply move to the frontier.
That wasn't what you were saying before >>1483055
But i think i can acept that as long as you let the people of our core lands choose if they want to be automated.
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>>1483293
>Tfw you were right and he would've worked with you but Anon's were 'muh house no want talk'
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>>1483304
I was never 'muh house no want talk' exept for the start, way before this even happened and by then i had conceded to talking to him like anons wanted.
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>>1483304
I wanted to talk, just face to face, not by video call to a picture and a text to speak.
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>>1483309
>>1483312

I'm more talking about the start in general. When most of the people were firm Anti-house in any fashion. Not sure if most stuck around here. There we're a few who didn't want to listen.

I'm saddened by the fact we ruined this place pretty much though.
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>>1483304
>>Tfw you were right and he would've worked with you but Anon's were 'muh house no want talk'
>even though we literally just talked to him and rolled a 1
No anon

>>1483293
No House. You underestimate my power and my perseverance. While I admit I made mistakes along the way, this is still going to plan. We will secure the Mojave, we will create the new United States, and I will prove you wrong. Goodbye House
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>>1483293
CHOOSE:
>Kill Him
>Send him into a deep sleep
>Give him the Platinum Chip
>Other? More diplo?

You still have 1 boon to spend btw. I can't automatically make you guys vote to use it or not, it has to be something you voluntarily pipe up say "I want to spend a boon!" and get at least 3 votes for it.
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>>1483318
> I have to admit, I actually liked your ideas. Had you delivered them to me before your rash action, I might have believed them, perhaps even given my insight.
>No

Okay.

>>1483321
>Send him into a deep sleep
>Use the Platinum chip

Boon for this please or fixing this in some fashion.
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>>1483321
>Kill Him


Either we do that, or we use our boon to have House help us and be under our control if we let him be the mayor of vegas

>>1483325
we rolled a 1 anon
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>>1483321
>deep sleep
>use the chip to upgrade our new forces

Boon.
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>>1483321
>Other? More diplo?
Have house give us a radio, we're going to make a broadcast.
[Activating Drill sergeant.EXE]
I think we should spend a boon on this.
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>>1483321
>You still have 1 boon to spend btw.
Did we already have a 2nd one earlier or did we spend it? I think I remember it being mentioned earlier.

I'm conflicted on this turn of events since this included far more collateral damage than intended in our original plans.
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>>1483321
>Kill him
we shat on his bed pretty thoroughly, we have to go kill the omertas now, beforee they do any more damage, then go kill lanius and do a fuck load of damage control. Boon is better spent on that
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>>1483329
The second one is for if i keep archiving, which i will right now.
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>>1483303
Why wouldn't the people of our core lands want to be automated?

>>1483304
I was willing to talk to him but wanted to do so under the understanding if he was unwilling we instantly moved to kill him.

>>1483321
>Send him into a deep sleep
>Give him the Platinum Chip

Also OP we have 2 boons. None have been spent. Also can we get a radio link to the boomers to get them to stop hitting civilians and possibly to send out an apology message explaining the miscommunication?
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>>1483337
>Why wouldn't the people of our core lands want to be automated?
I dunno, they might like human made products or some other unknown factor, as i said, people have a way of surprising even the most observant of governments and agenda groups.
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>>1483337
>>1483330
>>1483326
This atleast gives us a reason to run with the whole 'Mr. House is clamping done on everything and one.'
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>>1483337
I agree with the radio plan, but only if we yell at them in the greatest, angriest drill sergeant voice ever.
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>>1483351
He's never going to cooperate with us now, so our only option is removing him. Im voting to shoot him because it sounds quicker, but am not against putting him to sleep.
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>>1483362
I meant when Brain takes over.
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If we put him to sleep, we can sort of wake him up to where we've fixed Vegas and so it's like making the utopia appear before his eyes. Then we can even spend a boon to get him to be loyal maybe.
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>>1483293
>>1483328
2nd the action, not using the boon.

>>1483321
>>Give him the Platinum Chip
Where does the Platinum Chip go if we just give it to him? Can we just take it back?
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>>1483363
What? i don't understand? i just want to shot the guy and finish the wildcard path.
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>>1483370
He will never see it through our eyes. He will always see the way he did it as better and he will resent us.

>>1483374
>giving him the chip
Take House's dick out of your mouth anon
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>>1483374
Why not? I think we have to spend it if we want to fix this.
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>>1483374
Its pretty much a USB with upgrades on his chip.
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>>1483374
giving him the chip upgrades the securitrons, but also gives him the reins. We can install the upgrades through yes man ourselves.
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>>1483381
>Take House's dick out of your mouth anon
Calm yo' tits, anon. I was asking what happened if we did that to gain his trust so he could let us use his radio for that broadcast.

>>1483383
What about the rest of the battle that's going on?

>>1483384
>>1483388
So we can't just take it back if we want to once we give him it?
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>>1483383
we can't fix it from here. The boon likely just help get house's loyalty and there are better uses than that. He's a useful resource, but not a necessary one.
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>>1483351
Nope. We are taking responsibility for our actions. This is the message we shall send to the NCR with a diplomatic party:

"It is with the highest levels of sympathy and apology possible this message is sent.

A critical error on our part in the relaying of orders to one of our allies, an entirely military society armed with howitzers, resulted in them targeting civilian targets thanks to a lack of an understanding of the concept. We have made efforts to find those responsible on their part and are willing to discuss punishment between all parties as a part of a peace deal.

However. We are not responsible for the deployment of chemical weapons to the strip and we shall perform investigations to try and find those responsible. As even we don't use such inhumane methods of war."
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>>1483381
I disagree. I he said our idea is a good one, we just have to deliver it. He agrees with our goal but not our methods. He cares about Vegas, if we make Vegas great again especially to prewar glory, he'll work with us or at least be content over Vegas.
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>>1483390
it goes in a computer slot or something. its not like he has a pocket to put it in. We aren't getting it for a while.

>>1483401
We shat on his bed. He's not forgetting that. House is vindictive.
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>>1483401
Yeah but essentially for now we need to stop him from intervening.
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>>1483394
House is one of the smartest men on the planet, but more importantly he hasn't gone utterly insane like the Think tank. He'd be a useful asset in the future if we make amends and give him back his vegas improved I'm sure of it
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>>1483394
That's not what i want, i want to spend the boon on broadcasting a message that will get our allies to stop being idiots.
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>>1483401
House said we were worse than a moron. He berated us for minutes, describing how we fucked up and could never create our dream. He probably even hates us for fucking over his plan.

I mean I don't want to say delusion, but something is happening here.
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>>1483406
>>1483321
I vote for putting him to sleep

House just wants his vegas, he didn't seem like a man who let emotions or petty revenge get in the way of what he wants.
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>>1483411
we can sieze control of the radio without house. We don't need to spend a boon sweet talking him for it. Better use is for the actual message. Mr New Vegas operates even iif house is dead.
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>>1483318
>No House. You underestimate my power and my perseverance.
>You underestimate my power and my perseverance.
This sounds like something a Sith would say.
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>>1483414
Well then let's prove him wrong and make our dream happen. Show him it's not a fools dream but a reality in the making. And to start, we fix Vegas and make it brand new as proof.

We can always kill him later when we wake him up again, killing him now just wastes opportunity.
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>>1483420
Yeah and he said our ideas / goal was sound but our methods were fucked.

Also, some appropriate music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlkH687M4YM
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>>1483422
>we can sieze control of the radio without house. We don't need to spend a boon sweet talking him for it.
That's not what i said.
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>>1483428
We don't need House. He's smart, but we have smart people. He's a buisness man, not a scientist. We don't need to keep him. He's vindictive and arrogant. He's not going to work with us as an advisor, cause he'd turn on us if we go against his "suggestions"
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>>1483428
Opportunity for what? I have more evidence backing up that house will never prove than he will approve. I am all for proving him wrong and then killing him, but I don't know how popular that is
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>>1483438
the vote right now is how to deal with house. Using the boon now is helping how we deal with house. Use the boon later.
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>>1483445
This.
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Rolled 61 (1d100)

>>1483321
>>Send him into a deep sleep
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>>1483442
I'll settle for that. Just don't kill him now

If house was so vindicative, he would have shot us now to takd the chip but instead he basically says "that's a good idea but you dun fucked up on the implementation"
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>>1483452
He knows how powerful we are though. HE can't just take the chip away
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>>1483452
He's hoping we bend the knee and turn over what we have for his dream. He doesn't want our dream.
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>>1483445
God dammit you're right.
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>>1483452
>If house was so vindicative, he would have shot us now to takd the chip but instead he basically says "that's a good idea but you dun fucked up on the implementation"
I thought he barely has any securitrons to guard against us though?

>>1483457
>He doesn't want our dream.
He doesn't want the American Dream?
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>>1483464
He wants the House dream. He wants to be the absolute autocrat cause he knows best. He won't tolerate it if we say we know best.
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>>1483464
>American Dream
No, he wants the House Dream. He wants New Vegas to be amazing, but he doesn't care about anything surrounding it
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>>1483457
His wording leads me to believe otherwise, since he said he even liked our goals and would have helped us if we asked him. . .
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>>1483473
Except he does, he recognized the NCR was a positive, if imperfect, force in the Mojave supplying him and towns and that's why he wouldn't have destroyed them.

If we show him how rich Vegas will be from a renewed America like in the old world, he'd like that even better.
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I am going to take all the shit regarding the locations attacked by the Boomers.


I drew up the plans, I presented them to you guys and I worded them so badly. I am responsible. I am to blame.


I am sorry.


However I would argue even the Boomers weren't so stupid as to shoot a refugee camp.
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>>1483474
For now, maybe. But we're going to be "wrong" at some point he'd try and rectify that at the soonest opportunity. He's a snake, and for some reason people want to bed him.
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>>1481793
>The Boomers are war hungry and were probably going to attack somebody without you anyway.
>>1483486
>However I would argue even the Boomers weren't so stupid as to shoot a refugee camp.
You know, when I first read that line I didn't think of it as foreshadowing at the time.
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>>1483485
No, they were a good customer. Nothing about keeping the towns healthy, just a steady supply of caps.

Also, like I said earlier, I have proof that he wants us nowhere near power and wants us to just "do as we're told", but what evidence do you have that House would be willing to hand us over control and bend the knee?
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>>1483486
Unfortunately, the Boomers own reclusiveness and isolation is responsible for that. As far as they knew, bitter springs was a dot on a map with the an NCR flag on it. They don't have much contact with the outside world to stay informed.
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>>1483491
There is a difference between war hungry and shooting a fucking refugee camp.


Seriously, they may all be militia but at least 2 generations back they were vault dwellers. It's not like they would forget the concept of refugees and civilians that quickly.
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>>1483491
There's war hungry, and there is blood thirsty. Blowing up a refugee camp is not something done in conventional warfare. I imagine for all their military enthusiasm and location on a military air base, they found at least one soldier manual and read the part that YOU DON'T BOMB CIVILIAN TARGETS
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>>1483496
Give it a chance. When we wake him up and show him Vegas 3.0, he'll either bend the knee or we kill him. Killing him now just removes that chance.

House even said our mistake wasn't consulting him. We don't do enough companion or character consultation.
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>>1483499
at least they'll feel bad and likely stop once we tell them.
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>>1481793
>The Boomers automatically understand what to do when the battle begins.
>>1483486
>>1483496
>>1483499
>>1483501
>>1483504
Looking back at this, maybe we should've asked them by what they meant by "automatically understand?"
I figured the same, but apparently the Boomers minds are on a whole different plane of reality?
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>>1483508
If people will agree to exactly that, then I will too
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>>1483499
Okay, then we will inform them of what they did. They will hand those responsible over to a trial body assembled between them, us and the NCR. A decision will be made as to a punishment and that will be that.


Also, seeing as we specified to them to fire on NCR BASES, not NCR shit. They shouldn't have fired there because they should've asked why we weren't firing on this place the NCR held.
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>>1483508
He wants to be a consultant so we don't do anything he doesn't want. He's okay being the man behind the man, but he won't like it the moment we go against his advice.
"The House always Wins" means House is never wrong, in his eyes.
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>>1483501
These are the people who, went leaving the vault with a massive cache of weapons, blew up anyone and everyone they see as "savages", automatically fire artillery shells on anyone they see within a radius of their base, and who'se big dream was "To restore the bomber, to fly the open skies in armored safety, raining high-explosive ordnance upon ignorant savages - this is our destiny!"
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>>1483513
There is a large disconnect in my opinion that would be needed in order for something like this to be possible at the very heart of Boomer society.


Seriously, this isn't something I am just going to drop, they should've been asking where to fire or some shit when we were telling them to fire on NCR bases and it makes little sense that we didn't say "btw, don't shoot the fucking civilians you mad cunts!" at some point during the conversation.

>>1483519
Okay maybe you have a point but they should be smart enough to not waste shells on civilians when there are military targets in range.
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Honestly i think this is so bad our companions will leave, we might as well exile ourselves to Big MT.
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>>1483515
>They shouldn't have fired there because they should've asked why we weren't firing on this place the NCR held.
Could you clarify this? They were the only ones firing anything really, they had no other example to go by.

I think the wording was "NCR assets" but either case they just didn't realize that bitter springs was a refugee camp, it was a name on a map they pointed at with coordinates and trajectories.

Hmm, though it isn't like this is the first time bitter-springs has suffered a case of "communication errors" resulting in civilian deaths.
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>>1483526
>Okay maybe you have a point but they should be smart enough to not waste shells on civilians when there are military targets in range.
>but they should be smart enough
Never underestimate the stupidity of mankind, it's why we're in a post-apocalyptic world to begin with.
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>>1483530
>Could you clarify this? They were the only ones firing anything really, they had no other example to go by.
They should've wondered why we weren't making mentions about ceasing fire after a certain time so our troops could move in or anything of the sort.

>I think the wording was "NCR assets" but either case they just didn't realize that bitter springs was a refugee camp, it was a name on a map they pointed at with coordinates and trajectories.
It wasn't in the plan which is what I am going off of.

>Hmm, though it isn't like this is the first time bitter-springs has suffered a case of "communication errors" resulting in civilian deaths.
Aye but this time I will see to it there is justice for the dead.

>>1483535
Okay maybe you have a point there...
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>>1483535
>When you're not confident anymore about freedom of choice and the American dream.
This is not a good feel.
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>>1483542
Thats why we have a permanent Executive Position
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>>1483542
Welcome to how most people feel about real life democratic governments.
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>>1483535
They are isolationists with a hard on for explosions. It sounds like they took what we said and interpreted it as bomb fucking everyone.

The real question is the Omertas. Did we put a stop to it, but missed something, or were we complacent, or even worse, an accomplice? because chemical warfare is not something i want to be a part of.
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>>1483549
Truly what this nation needs is someone in Complete Control!

Anyway, lemme tally these votes.
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>>1483562
How's about some Chaos Control? Eh? Eh?
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Sleep
>>1483325
>>1483327
>>1483337
>>1483420
>>1483449

Kill
>>1483326
>>1483330

Diplo
>>1483328
>>1483374

>Writing

Tell me if I missed your vote
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>>1483529
>>1483551
I think the Courier might become an alcoholic after this.
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>>1483620
Our resolve must become stronger. This is our cross to bear and we must make things right. The dream will be absolution. We no longer do what we do for us, but for those we failed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmDYJBZZdc
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>>1483643
I'M NUCLEAR
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>>1483620
>The courier sit in Big MT and avoids all human interaction.
>If you go in his room you will find the floor covered in beer bottles and papers with half made plans everywhere.
>He's just laying in the couch half drunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVery7sfVo
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>>1483643
See, that song would have fit better if we got the robotic arm.
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>>1483657
We can remove the weakness when we have the opportunity. and make it better. We can't be anything less than perfect. Anything less than constantly vigilant.
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>>1483664
>Regeneration.
>A weakness.
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>>1483664
>weakness
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>>1483668
>weak 5 str normal arm
>not a weakness
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>>1483676
To be fair, that little workout we had in the Lucky 38 probably got us up to 6 or 7 on that arm.
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>>1483676
Wasn't that bug fixed? I'm pretty sure that was fixed.
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>>1483687
Its a wip. We don't exactly have steroids to speed it up. Right now its all about the workouts.
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>>1483692
Not talking about that, talking about how every time we regrow a limb it's puny, pretty sure the Autodoc called us in to fix that.
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>>1483692
While we may not have traditional steroids, we do have plenty of chems that increase testosterone production and continually prevent stamina loss.
We just gotta put the time in and we can work our way back to perfection.
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There's another fallout quest going on over here

>>1483012
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>>1483813
So? Fuck'em.
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>>1483841
I wasn't criticizing them or anything. I was suggesting for while we wait. Jesus Anon
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>>1483844
It seems like a quest of salt with how its being run.
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>>1483847
Not everyone can be Fallout QM !Y4lvnEQfIg
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>>1483853
>You are a proud NCR Ranger... well were an NCR Ranger. After the damn'd Courier took control New Vegas and the Dam, you were captured Legionaires.

That seems rather sketchy, buts its w.e. I'm used to /qst/ being full of odditys.
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Can someone remind me the name of that alternate archive? I can't remember what it's URL is.
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>>1483862
SupTG? Yuki.la?
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>>1483862
Found it and it doesn't have /qst/
Well fuck, guess the Southern cross is lost forever now.
>>1483895
Already know about SupTG, was archiving these threads there, i was searching for desuarchive.
Never heard of Yuki.la, i'll try there.
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>>1483916
Southern Cross?
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>>1483922
There was a Fallout civ quest here before and we voted for crusader bandits as our faction, awesome plans ensured.
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Just had dinner folks, back now
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>>1483862
https://archived.moe/qst/search/

Popups be damned, I miss the origina .moe but this is a lifesaver
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FINALLY FOUND IT!
https://archived.moe/qst/thread/334496/#334496
And apparently, i think i was the one who started the Crusader bandits with the name suggestion.
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Quiet unexpectedly, you crouch, engaging in sneak mode, your body becoming translucent with the night air.

>House
"Where did you go. You can't just run away from this."

Ignoring House, you proceed to the Terminal and unlock his secret chamber. The securitrons search the building, passing you by inches, but you are safely hidden away.

Entering another elevator, you see for the first time, Mr. House himself in the flesh. He's frozen in his stasis pod, his thin frail body even weaker than your average ghoul, distinguishable as alive by the subtle breathing the pod's negative pressure is doing for him.

Going to the Terminal, you see the options to release or fry him, but you ignore those. Instead, you begin tampering with the actual programming itself. You manage to activate a new set of options.

>[Initiate High Neurological Stress Countermeasures . . . Administering Neuroleptic Agents and low dose Midazolam]
>[Conscious Frontal Lobe Brainwave Activity Detected at 98%]
>[95%]
>[87%]
>[80%]
>[65%]
>[33%]
>[12%]
>[0.005%]

>Total Unconscious Sedation Achieved. . .pending reversal protocols

House is no longer aware of himself, in a dreamless sleep that he will have no recollection of. From there, you disconnect Cerebro

>Cerebro Disconnected. ALERT. Input required

The Lucky 38 and the Securitron's are yours. Now to just hook up a new mind to Cerebro.

>con't
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>>1484214
As you return up the elevator, you look to see the securitrons. Their screen has gone dark, and they are immobile. House's big screen is gives one message

[connection lost]

The NCR emergency radio is still playing.

"I'm getting reports that Securitrons previously seen aiding our troops have suddenly become inactive. Repeat, Securitrons are becoming inactive throughout the Mojave. Fight on troopers!"

Going down below you make sure your Remnant Power Armor helm is on tight, as you step out of the Lucky 38 and into the street. Smoke and fog is everywhere, the deadly gas blocking view. Around the entrance, the Securitrons are all silent and faceless, unmoving to the sound of gunfire in the smoke.

Luckily the big truck and the companions you brought are still here. Those living wearing air tight power armor and Mary-Jo unaffected. Raul has to put on a spaceman helmet though.

Arcade is missing though.

>Raul
"The moment he saw the Gas and people dying, he just ran off Boss. We don't know where he went."

The rest don't seem to be aware exactly of what is going on, just that a hazardous gas and sounds of moving steps coming from the gomorrah, and NCR soldiers falling dead all around.

CHOOSE:
>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
>The Omerta's are gassing and killing the Casino's, we have to stop them
>Other?
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>>1484306
>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
lesser of two evils. people will die regardless, but the securitrons can handle the gas
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>>1484306
>>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
This is priority. However, if we could get on the radio and give an encouraging speech, that would be cool too
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>>1484306
>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
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>>1484306
>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
"The faster we can get that up the faster the Securitrons come back online to help."
Hey OP, since you're adding mods what do you think about adding the greatest group of raiders that have ever traveled the US? >>1484075
We should archive soon
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>>1484306
>>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
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>>1484323
Depends, how do they feel about mormons? because I would prefer not having crusades inside new america.
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>>1484351
I honestly don't know, i dislike the mormon belief but don't want to cause conflict.
>Implying they wouldn't hold theological fistfight debates once they learn the Mormon belief.
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Is Op still here? I need a description for the archive.
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>>1484495
The quest for America continues. The Courier prepares for the final battle of Hoover Dam and Oh God Everything is on Fire!
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Just blew through the last 4 breads. You are all real Americans.
Whatever happened to those COMMIES we rescued?
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>>1484780
they're in the UFO if i remember correctly. Do commie science for us.
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>>1484798
Did we decide on whether or not to reveal them to our citizenry or not?
Also I may wanna do some writefaggotry based on our Little Radio program.
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>>1484825
I don't think so, Right now its gonna be "surprise, its communists". And go ahead, do what you want.
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>>1484931
Yay! Thank you.
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>>1484825
>>1484931
Currently my plan is to slowly fuse our groups under us, as we reclaim and gain control of Big MT.


Also, I think we can recover from this disastrous start to our secession from NCR lands. We just need to show that it wasn't our intent to do what has happened and that if everything went to plan, no civilians would have been hit.

Also, we need to set up medical and food caravans to outer Vegas, if we can get the people there into fighting shape and on our side we will have the numbers to hold this wastes. Especially with my other ideas.
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Work today for a long time guys, but hopefully I'll be ready to post later today.

>>1484825
I would give you a bonus for something good based on Moreno

>>1484526
Works for me
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>>1484323
I'd like to read the quest.

Btw if you have a super duper OP mod that you happen to particularly like, suggest it, and I might allow you to add it as a boon.

No god mode though.
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>>1484526
>>1485418
Need one for thread 4
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Lmao, you guys.

I love how everytime there is a choice how we dealt with some faction it goes more or less 'let them be'. Yeah, lets leave the horrible fiends who rape, murder and mutilate everyone. Lets leave the insane war maniacs with death machines. Lets leave the criminal mobs. Lets leave the powder gangers. Lets leave the deathclaws. Etc.

I honestly still don't understand why you people want to work with the fiends. Holy shit, like, do you have no standards no morals at all. People like that should not be tolerated at all.
I swear, they are a disaster waiting to happen just like the boomers and the omerta.


Anyway, it's all good. Civ quests are known for their brutality and how shit can hit the fan very quickly (usually due to shitty rolls)
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>>1485546
>I love how everytime there is a choice how we dealt with some faction it goes more or less 'let them be'. Yeah, lets leave the horrible fiends who rape, murder and mutilate everyone. Lets leave the insane war maniacs with death machines. Lets leave the criminal mobs. Lets leave the powder gangers. Lets leave the deathclaws. Etc.
Okay, in the case of the war maniacs, the powder gangers and the death-claws, it is because they are intelligent and could be absorbed.

Offering amnesty / dropping criminal charges in return for service to the state (in the armed forces or in the Big MT cleanup project) to the powder gangers might make us unpopular with some people but they can be taken in fairly peacefully if we are smart about it.

The war maniacs are our allies and we plan on making them a part of our culture by unifying our people and taking their knowledge of war and technology for our own along with their plane and big guns.

As to the death-claws, if given a supply of food and living space they are a perfectly peaceful species. They are immune to radiation, strong and smart enough to be used like super-mutants for labour yet at the same time can breed, making them a brilliant way to expand through heavily irradiated regions or otherwise unsafe areas. Plus they would make great troops and could in theory serve as a way of terrifying tribals and the NCR into not fucking with us.

>I honestly still don't understand why you people want to work with the fiends. Holy shit, like, do you have no standards no morals at all. People like that should not be tolerated at all.
Better they die than actually useful people do. We can kill them afterwards and look like big damn heroes. It's all about getting the maximum value out of their chem-infused corpses.

>I swear, they are a disaster waiting to happen just like the boomers and the omerta.
The boomers aren't that bad, they just don't know what they are hitting because their maps only say "NCR has this".

The Omerta on the other hand are a major problem but we can deal with them and probably hand them over to the NCR in return for peace. It's part of the terms of the peace deal I want to offer alongside knowing that the boomer artillery core will be punished for their mistake.


>Anyway, it's all good. Civ quests are known for their brutality and how shit can hit the fan very quickly (usually due to shitty rolls)
We got a Nat 1 and this is what happened and to be honest I expected worse seeing as this quest is using Genie's civ system to some degree. At least we are winning the battles, no matter what damage may occur. We can rebuild later.
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>>1485546
You gotta do what you gotta do
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>>1485593
Yeah, doesn't mean we can't regret the necessity of our actions.
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>>1484306
>>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control
Get the security up and running to cover more areas.
>>1484310
2nd.
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>>1484306
>We must get the Radio Extension built! Hurry, the sooner we get it up the sooner we can control the securitrons under our control

With the securotrons we can deal with the gas easier, seeing as they can save people too.
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Also I found our national anthem.

https://youtu.be/WQYN2P3E06s

It's all about great birds and expanding throughout the universe. Plus, civ music.
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>>1485817
Actually on second thought, does anyone mind if we just take the soviet union's national anthem and change up the lyrics a little?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pbnTI1_LM

Admittedly a little communist but that shit is inspiring stuff. Anyhow, remove any mentions of "soviet" (change it to free, american or great?), "Lenin" (change it to courier?), "Stalin" (Also courier?) and possibly "motherland". The whole "built by the people's mighty hand" and "united and free" we might want to keep. I would also suggest changing "all nations and all generation's will honour her name" to refer to "all nations and all generations will honour our name".

There is the second half of the song, which kinda drifts into the fact WW 2 happened and shit but we could try and modify that to be about the NCR / Legion.

Also we'd need to have a crimson flag. But to be honest red is a lovely colour for a flag and for our army uniforms and shit...it doesn't show blood as easily.
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>>1485865
Yeah I have a problem with that what fuck
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>>1485948
Why? It's a good song. Strong lyrics, easy to remember, works for military purposes and lovely instrumentals.
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>>1485865
fuck no

let our anthem be whatever each anon wants the anthem to be and not make anything official.
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>>1486102
That seems dumb as hell, considering we recently discussed the economic end point of our civilisation and yet you think that we shouldn't discuss a national anthem?
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>>1484020
Anon, https://boards.4tan.org/qst/search/
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>>1486122
Economic end point actually has an effect on the game itself and the way the story will go. Discussing national anthem is wasting hours of discussion which will leave few people satisfied for something which will have practically no effect on the game.

By that I mean specific anthems, like choosing music or lyrics. If QM gives a list which will outline the exact benefits one gets with each choice then it is another thing.
For example:
>anthem focusing on military might: higher morale of the troops
>anthem focusing on industry: better factory workers
>anthem focusing on fellowship: less tensions between different factions integrated
>etc

But we should definitively not argue what kind of music or lyrics we want.
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>>1486148
Except we should. If we are going to bother giving a good write-in for a reply to a follower's question a bonus then we must also reward good lyrics for the national anthem.

Also a national anthem does shape how the story goes. Just not as much, however in the short term it will have greater ramifications.
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>>1486148
Nothing beats the old "Star Spangled Banner" but we could change some lyrics to make it fitting
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>>1486162
So you want the old national anthem, that is literally just about a flag (which this universe's america stopped using pre-war) for our national anthem? Even though we have the opportunity to be creative and make something new and exciting?

And I suppose if we were playing as a successor state in UK in an alternate world where the royal family ended peacefully, becoming true members of the people, you would suggest god save the queen?


We are a new nation, influenced by the past but not dragged down by it's weight. I feel your choice sends the wrong message. I am sorry if I come across as aggressive as to your choice of song but it is far from my taste in music purely because of how drab it is lyrically speaking.
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>>1486176
But our flag isn't a weight, neither is the anthem. It's our connection to the past, and it means just as much now as it did before. And while I know the fallout flag was different, the commonwealth system made the government worse. It says it on the wiki.

Besides, any song we find is going to be copying something so unless we make our own song.....
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>>1486191
>Besides, any song we find is going to be copying something so unless we make our own song.....
Can we start our own band?
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>>1486191
>>1486201
I can do lyrics and with my half-remembered at best 3 years musical education I could even compose a song. All I lack is software to mess around on and a god damn reason why I should put that much effort in when I have already altered a song enough to fit our republic state.


Seriously though, the flag is a weight on our nation along with the anthem.

If we have an anthem all about how we are the true successor, coming to reclaim our lands and return rightful rule, it will convince some people to join us but to the rest it will worry them that we will move against them to "reclaim" our lands.

If we have a national anthem all about an old world flag in the morning light, we say "we love the past and want to make america great again" and many people have had problems with groups with similar messages to that. For example, the Enclave.

However if we have a national anthem that is essentially just about how the strength of our people under our leader is great and that we want to build a legacy to last for eternity, no one can really get angry at that or get worried (depending on what they interpret legacy to mean) but it will still drag in the young hopefuls and inspire nationalism.


The same goes for our flag.

If we go with a old world symbol, we give ourselves a clear link and style to go for but alienate many who don't see the glories of the past as worth trying to regain, considering how it ended.

If we go for a symbol like a deathclaw's...claw then we get a clear link to the new world order and imply we are separate from that which came before.

If we were to go for something like a gear, lightning bolt or bird, then the effect is unclear and dependent on too many things to state clearly. However it is unlikely to offend and can serve as a namesake / identifier / descriptor like the Phoenix on the flag of a state, could imply rising from ashes and rebirth.
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>>1486221
have the stripes, but have the stars arranged in the circle around a phoenix. shows connection to the past, but also connection to rebirth and being new. Remember the fallout American flag only has 13 stars, so its easier to play around with.
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>>1486269
Okay I could accept that as a flag.


However I am still pretty serious about this national anthem thing.
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>>1486279
probably don't need to decide the actual song, but more of the theme we're going with. Like >>1486148 said.
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>>1486284
Aye but for the same reason I like to know the names of the guns I am firing in a FPS, I like to know the words to my fictional national anthems.
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>>1486221
I can understand what you mean, with a blend of new and old, but every empire needs aesthetic culture. The Nazi's probably did it the best
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>>1486558
I prefer the Russian thing. Especially since we can't go the racial route for national unity, we either have to go the political, economic or species route.

Seriously, if we unite people based off of anything, we lose access to huge portions of the world population.


We must be a culture which is unified by the concept of every worker working to make the whole better, so that the whole in return makes their lives better. Only without communism.

I say that as if we divide them on class lines, we either lose the support of the majority or we lose the support of the rich and powerful. If we divide them on political lines, we lose either the liberals or the conservatives, the libertarians or the authoritarians. If we divide it on racial lines, we gain the loyalty of only a portion of humanity but alienate the intelligent death claws, the super mutants and the ghouls. Three groups that are incredibly useful and powerful in their own rights.
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>>1486572
>Russian
Well maybe others share your sentiment but I find nothing admirable about their Soviet culture besides the color red.
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>>1486572
I would prefer a cleaner, happier aethetic. Smooth lines, white base colours, bright trim. something hopeful.
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>>1486575
They managed to unite a mostly uneducated, highly alcoholic, racially diverse, culturally diverse, multi-lingual, class-divided, corrupt and otherwise problem-suffering nation into a force which resisted the Nazis, got into space before the US and managed to be a competitor to the combined powers of all of Europe and the US. Not to mention their other major achievements like the Mir station.


Not bad for a nation which at one point, was a unfunded revolution hated by most of the world and lacking in almost every field and resource. Having just lost Finland, Estonia, certain regions of Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and a small border region to the Romanians.


Theirs was a culture which managed to unite such a fractured nation because it said "Ignore your differences, whatever they may be. For we all work towards a better world and future for all workers! That is the soviet dream!"
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>>1486584
Hey, we can do that too but I would point out that the soviet stuff looks so bland and utilitarian because it mostly was.

Our tech will look 1950's futuristic and fallout-y, if that is a good thing or not is another argument. If we are lucky we end up looking like the institute in terms of appearance.
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>>1486586
>resisted the Nazis
Not even a big achievement when actually explained
>corrupt
And they became more corrupt than the original government?
>got into space before the US
Well when they were the first into the game, it's not too hard to do

The USSR is a perfect example that if you starve and kill millions of your own people, then you can too industrialize with a larger country than any other on earth.

Also, the united their country not by a "workers unite" but by a "unite or you die" mindset. I'm actually surprised you are defending the USSR here. You must be from /his/
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>>1486593
Yeah, Brutilism just speaks of the Stasi kicking your door in at the dead of knight.

I'd like something like the humans from the Grey Goo game. sleek, and clean.
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I rally need a description for thread 4, it's at page 7 and needs to be archived immediately.
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>>1486610
The courier fights aliens, saves the Chinese and gathers allies.
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>>1486610
The courier gathers his forces, and makes a pivotal choice
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>>1486617
That's thread 3.
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>>1486630
Ah, then >>1486629.
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Thank you, thread 4 is now archived.
I think i'll archive this thread when it reaches page 5
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>>1486600
Never been on /his/. As to the rest of your points:

>Not even a big achievement when actually explained
Managing to willingly sacrifice 2.2 million of your people, after losing your countries capital and agricultural / industrial heartland, managing to actually shift all of that industry to the other side of a set of distant mountains and then still win a war against a force who managed to defeat one of the world's most powerful military's (France) in less time than it took them to beat Poland. All the while fighting against the Japanese and suffering from your massive purges of the military. Don't down play the achievements of their people.

>And they became more corrupt than the original government?
Only after Stalin's death. As subsequent rulers lowered the punishments for accepting bribes and such, which were death, along with many other terrible mistakes on their parts. Stalin was many things, but his governance wasn't corrupt...ignoring party postings and other such things but it's a dictatorship, what ya gonna do. When you maintain power by only having those you can trust in power, that shit just happens and I admit it is a flaw of such governments but in all honesty the USSR got off pretty well compared to most dictatorships.

>Well when they were the first into the game, it's not too hard to do
Nope! You Americans had a space program just as long and access to the same scavenged Nazi tech plus Wernher Von Braun, only you never bothered to invest in it heavily until the soviets beat you to orbit. So you were beaten by a nation that overall was less technologically advanced and industrially capable.

>The USSR is a perfect example that if you starve and kill millions of your own people, then you can too industrialise with a larger country than any other on earth.
Actually, the majority of the starvation can't be blamed on the industrialisation attempts. That can be blamed on the change from small scale farming / private farms to communes and in the case of the Holodomor, it was Stalin's intent to starve them.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

>Also, the united their country not by a "workers unite" but by a "unite or you die" mindset.
Many would disagree with you, both from inside and outside the USSR's former borders. That look on how they united them comes from the extreme measures Stalin used to ensure productivity both during and before WW 2. This is because he predicted aggression from the western powers: either the democracies or the fascists and sought to industrialise quickly in order to be able to resist their attacks and to develop self-sufficiency since most of the world didn't like the communists. He was right.

>I'm actually surprised you are defending the USSR here.
I'd point out that unlike many communist countries, the soviet union fulfilled promises under Stalin in most areas that could realistically be expected and is responsible for a large reduction in the length of the WW 2.
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Also, a large portion of the failings of the soviet union to feed it's people can be blamed on this list of droughts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
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>>1486702
But throughout it all was the atmosphere of conform or gulag, which we don't really want. I would like the atmosphere of conform because you want to.
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>>1486702
Okay so for your 2.2 million number, is that the number you actually believe the USSR lost? I hope not so I won't even argue that as it might be a typo on your part. The Russians moving their factories, while was a "cool" move, I fail to see your point. The US put their main factories for munitions inland, and even the British moved a few of their factories up towards Scotland. They weren't special. Also, you can't compare the French attack with the Russian one. The Germans were much closer to France, the Blitz had never been seen before, and the French had such faith with their Maginot Line that they were completely unprepared for the German invasion, as well as them being in the middle of the Phony War. The Russians had almost no contact with the Japanese army, as the Japs were too focused on China. Besides, the Japs in WW2 sucked ass as an army. Oh I almost forgot, the USSR got massive amounts of Lend-Lease which many generals accredited to the survival of the USSR.

>Stalin's government wasn't corrupt
When you are in a dictatorship and don't let your people vote, while outlawing religion and not having any free press, all the while forcing the vast majority of your population to live in shitty small apartments while upper party members lived in luxury, then yeah, it was corrupt Anon. Unless corrupt means something else in Russian.

>Nasa
NASA was created just months before the Sputnik launch. Of course the Americans were going to be behind a little bit. Also, are you ignoring that the Russians did the exact same thing with German scientists? While they didn't get Braun, they got hundreds of others. You are being ignorant here Anon.

>until the soviets beat you
Fucking of course. We hadn't focused heavily because there wasn't a reason, but once the race started, NASA kicked it into high gear.

>change from private to collectivization
I fail to see your point. Millions were killed because of that exact government policy. It was plain incompetence, and the worst thing was that these deaths were all in vain because communism collapsed like 50 years later. Also, you just mentioned Ukraine, not the millions of deaths from Russia itself and other places. Why would we want any of that connected to us?

>many would disagree with you
There were multiple reports out of the USSR about people being sent to Gulags for no reason, people disappearing, and neighbors ratting on neighbors. The USSR ruled with fear and created a "dog eat dog" environment. Also, most of the world didn't like communists because every single communistic regime practiced genocide and had millions of deaths attributed to it.

It doesn't matter if Stalin fulfilled his promises, because he killed millions of his own people in the process. When you use extreme force and fear like Stalin did, then you could do pretty amazing things.

Man, you must be Russian or something.
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>>1486725
Again, that is highly stereotypical thought, inspired by a western view of the Soviet "republics". Effected by propaganda, bad information and fiction using the Soviet's as a bad guy.


Stalin used the Gulag's as a threat to increase productivity and to eliminate political dissidence. Across his entire ruler-ship, they took in roughly 3-2 million people in. They were started in 1929 and used as a more severe form of prison at least until his death in 1958. Per year on average they only took in 120,000 people assuming it was 3 million exactly.

It was misused, I agree. However many of the punishments that would see you sent there were to either increase productivity or required disrespecting the government / communist officials. Although the second group were taken a little too far...
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>>1486778
>Okay so for your 2.2 million number, is that the number you actually believe the USSR lost?
Just a quick number grabbed off of a quick search.

>The Russians moving their factories, while was a "cool" move, I fail to see your point.
They managed to move a large portion of their industrial base during a large scale invasion, whenever their country was almost falling apart at the seems seemingly.

> The US put their main factories for munitions inland, and even the British moved a few of their factories up towards Scotland.
Both of these nations were heavily industrialised, not experiencing an invasion and had a far better transport network established.

>Also, you can't compare the French attack with the Russian one.
I can't? Both are large scale, mechanised invasions of enemy lands, performed when the enemy wasn't prepared for them by the german armed forces as an instigator.

>The Germans were much closer to France, the Blitz had never been seen before, and the French had such faith with their Maginot Line that they were completely unprepared for the German invasion, as well as them being in the middle of the Phony War.
What is the Phony war? As to the Maginot line they expected the Germans to go around through Belgium and the Netherlands. That is why they had forces move in almost immediately as a reaction. Their failures came from not understanding the mobility of tanks and other assets in the new form of war.

>The Russians had almost no contact with the Japanese army, as the Japs were too focused on China.
True but they made that region unusable to receive any aid from the US and such. At least until toward the end of the war.

>Besides, the Japs in WW2 sucked ass as an army.
So did the Russians seemingly most of the time.

>Oh I almost forgot, the USSR got massive amounts of Lend-Lease which many generals accredited to the survival of the USSR.
Finally something we agree on, the USSR did receive massive amounts of aid from the rest of the allies / Comintern forces. Yet at the end of the day, all that was put in Russian force's hands. They are the ones who fought and bled, no matter who made their guns, boots or bullets.

>When you are in a dictatorship and don't let your people vote, while outlawing religion and not having any free press, all the while forcing the vast majority of your population to live in shitty small apartments while upper party members lived in luxury, then yeah, it was corrupt Anon. Unless corrupt means something else in Russian.
Most of those things aren't corruption. Not letting them vote, outlawing religion and a lack of free press are all concepts entirely separate to their corruption. As to the vast majority of the population living in bad conditions, that is true but very little could be done during WW 2 and prior to that Stalin's focus was on preparing for a perceived external threat, which there was. After that the cold war was a thing and a majority of resources were poured into that.

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>>1486822
However if one looks at the average life expectancy of the citizens of the USSR, we can see it sharply rise just after WW 2's end.

"After the October revolution, the life expectancy for all age groups went up. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. This improvement was seen in itself by some as immediate proof that the socialist system was superior to the capitalist system.[8]

The trend continued into the 1960s, when the life expectancy in the Soviet Union went beyond the life expectancy in the United States.(^citation need) The life expectancy in Soviet Union were fairly stable during most years, although in the 1970s went slightly down probably because of alcohol abuse.

The improvement in infant mortality levelled out eventually, and after a while infant mortality began to rise. After 1974 the government stopped publishing statistics on this. This trend can be partly explained by the number of pregnancies went drastically up in the Asian part of the country where infant mortality was highest, while the number of pregnancies was markedly down in the more developed European part of the Soviet Union. For example, the number of births per citizens of Tajikistan went up from 1.92 in 1958-59 to 2.91 in 1979-80, while the number in Latvia was down to 1.91 in 1979-80.[8]"

- Demographics of the Soviet union, wikipedia, Life expectancy and infant mortality

Alternatively you could trust this: https://www.jstor.org/stable/29530876?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>NASA was created just months before the Sputnik launch.
True but you had Goddard suggesting the idea to the public back in 1919.

Also there is this way of looking at it:

"Few members of von Braun's team participated in the Cuxhaven launches. Most had already begun setting up shop at Fort Bliss, near El Paso, Texas. Piled up in the desert near Las Cruces, New Mexico, were enough parts to build 100 V2s. Von Braun and his team soon moved to nearby White Sands Proving Ground where work began assembling and launching V2s. By February 1946, von Braun's entire Peenemuende team had been reunited at White Sands and, on April 16, the first V2 was launched in the United States. The U.S. space program was under way!"

Which comes from: http://solarviews.com/eng/rocket.htm

>Of course the Americans were going to be behind a little bit.
True, you were only 27 days behind but that is still a large difference in the space race.

>Also, are you ignoring that the Russians did the exact same thing with German scientists? While they didn't get Braun, they got hundreds of others. You are being ignorant here Anon.
I am well aware but the simple fact is that Braun was the head of that scientific section for the germans and therefore had some of the greatest oversight on it and the most experience in rocketry generally.
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>>1486879
>Fucking of course. We hadn't focused heavily because there wasn't a reason, but once the race started, NASA kicked it into high gear.
That is true but one has to point out, that based on my last link, you were focused there and there was a reason. Sure once beaten you scrabbled to make up for it, and did in most people's eyes, but the point remains.

>I fail to see your point. Millions were killed because of that exact government policy.
Efficiency was lost because it displaced professional farmers and landholders, demotivating them from exceptional performance in many cases. A bad policy and one seemingly many communist nations fall to but admittedly such large government actions almost always end badly.

>It was plain incompetence, and the worst thing was that these deaths were all in vain because communism collapsed like 50 years later.
Again, I have supplied evidence to show it wasn't incompetence but rather a mix of intentional acts (>>1486702 - Holodomor, the organised killing of Ukrainian's by starvation by Stalin) and bad luck(>>1486724 - Droughts and Famines).

>Also, you just mentioned Ukraine, not the millions of deaths from Russia itself and other places.
I was giving an example of deaths that were caused by the madness of Stalin, the only man to be responsible for more deaths than hitler, and not by flaws in the Soviet government...ignoring the fact he was part of that government.

>Why would we want any of that connected to us?
Where did I imply that would be connected to us? The only people who might know about it would be the followers of the apocalypse and a few others. Fuck all people post war know anything about the old world outside of america and china.

>There were multiple reports out of the USSR about people being sent to Gulags for no reason, people disappearing, and neighbors ratting on neighbors. The USSR ruled with fear and created a "dog eat dog" environment.
Yep. Stalin's secret police would remove threats, real or otherwise, without much hesitation. As to the Neighbours ratting on Neighbours, that is present in every society. Stalin merely decided to make use of it.

>Also, most of the world didn't like communists because every single communistic regime practiced genocide and had millions of deaths attributed to it.
As I once said about communism in a different thread, communism only works if your rulers aren't assholes and all / enough of your people aren't assholes. If either of these fail, it turns into a military junta or dictatorship with complete economic control by the leaders either immediately or sometime in the future when the assholes get into power.
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>>1486934

>It doesn't matter if Stalin fulfilled his promises, because he killed millions of his own people in the process. When you use extreme force and fear like Stalin did, then you could do pretty amazing things.
So, considering the state of the world we are in and the lofty nature of or goals, why wouldn't we seek such efficiency by the way?

More seriously, all politicians, people and leaders cause death and cause life with every act only difference is Stalin knew how many he killed and knew why they died. We can argue about his methods of controlling the people and I agree, they were excessive and inhumane in many cases but they were quite effective.

>Man, you must be Russian or something.
Nope, Scottish and proud thanks.


Now can we please stop arguing, we've added a ton of off topic shit to the thread for little gain besides us agreeing Stalin is a piece of work and that the gulags were bad.
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>>1486822
While the British had thought of a naval invasion, the US had not, but they still feared bombing, overestimating the might of the Nazis and the Japs. That's not to say the Russians weren't industrialized too though

The French attack, like I said, had been Blitzed, which had never been seen on a large scale. They went through the forests that the Allies had thought impossible. Whereas Operation Barbarossa was just one long push into the Soviet territory.

The Phony war was a period of about a year where no real fighting took place, and Hitler focused his forces to invade France, surprising many when he did. Just like Barbarossa. Unlike Barbarossa, the French leaders knew Hitler was going to attack. Stalin was seemingly caught completely unprepared, for some strange reason.

The aid from the Pacific hardly mattered, as they were getting plenty from the British in the Atlantic.

The Russians were gods when compared to the Japs and Italians. The only reason people look down on the Russians is because of the gross K:D of the Russian army.

It's not the job of the Americans to supply the Russians the material and then use it to fight their war. The Russians got the material, and they were expected to use it. Many more russians would have died without it.

Even though the cold war was going on, why was the US still doing good? The US never got even close to the USSR's conditions throughout the entire cold war. It's not even an argument that the US was better to it's people.

>>1486879
Of course life expectancy rose after the most destructive war in Human history, especially in the USSR. Also
>citation needed on USSR being higher than US

Listen, I agree about Goddard. He was an American hero and deserves a lot more attention and respect, however, there wasn't a big interest in space as it was seen as a hobby, like VR. I don't get the quote you pulled up. Of course Braun was instrumental, but the Russians had plenty of scientists. Of course they classified all of their stuff so it's hard to research.

>>1486934
The focus was on missiles to carry nuclear warheads, or the theory to do it. Now to launch little satellites and dogs into space.

I mean not all large government actions. The New Deal wasn't a colossal failure, and millions didn't get killed in the process.

These droughts were caused by incompetence by the government. The Aral sea was drained completely to feed the farms. The US, other than the dust bowl, managed to successfully irrigate and take care of their crops.

My original point was I don't want any Soviet or communist connection because I have moral objections about it.

That's why Communism will work, as there are always going to be assholes.

>>1486941
Efficiency isn't killing millions of people, directly or indirectly. It's getting jobs done without the massive blood cost.

Ah, that's right, I remember the American problems discussion we had. I am fine to stop talking about communism, but I couldn't concede.
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>>1487003
Fine I guess we are continuing this.

>While the British had thought of a naval invasion, the US had not, but they still feared bombing, overestimating the might of the Nazis and the Japs. That's not to say the Russians weren't industrialised too though
We Brits had nothing to fear from Hitler, this was clear quite early on. Seeing as Hitler's army lacked any sort of Naval bomber, large navy of transports, surface vessels and cargo ships. It was just the fact they seemed so unstoppable to the people and thus the government took actions to reduce panic.

I agree with you in regards to the Americans on this point and will thus skip to the Russians: I wasn't saying they weren't industrialised, just that by comparison to the US and UK they had far less industry per person and far worse infrastructure outright.

>The French attack, like I said, had been Blitzed, which had never been seen on a large scale. They went through the forests that the Allies had thought impossible.
Blitzkrieg is just a political nickname for the schwerpunkt doctrine, "divide and conquer" concept and tank warfare used by the Germans. A snappy political term to dazzle your people and scare the enemy.

I already adressed the point of the french not understanding the abilities and mobility of tanks and the newer forms of warfare they inspire.

>Whereas Operation Barbarossa was just one long push into the Soviet territory.
Yep but my comparison is still accurate though.

>The Phony war was a period of about a year where no real fighting took place, and Hitler focused his forces to invade France, surprising many when he did
Thanks for explaining what you meant.

>Stalin was seemingly caught completely unprepared, for some strange reason.
One theory / idea I heard was because he was about to do the same to the Nazi's and thus his troops had been preparing to move out and weren't dug in. Probably bullshit.

>The aid from the Pacific hardly mattered, as they were getting plenty from the British in the Atlantic.
I know, I was saying however that the Japs made any sorts of transpacific lend-lease unfeasible and did therefore have a negative impact on the war effort. As if they had the ability to appraoch from that side they would avoid running the gauntlet of the U-boats and short ranged naval bombers of the Germans based in Norway and such.

>The Russians were gods when compared to the Japs and Italians. The only reason people look down on the Russians is because of the gross K:D of the Russian army.
You say that but the Russians did lose to the Japs on one or two occasions in border skirmishes and such. As to the Italians, no one is worse than them, even the Japs did more damage to the US without any troops being there than the Italians probably did with their entire army. As to the KD, that is a fair measure of an army.
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>>1487179
The shores of the dove coasts were completely fortified. The beaches were bunkers in themselves. While it's easy in hindsight to look at the numbers, in wartime when everything is hidden and classified, then it's a little scary. You probably know more about your home territory than I do, so I'll take your word.

But you can't ignore how fast the Germans attacked, as they learned their lessons on defensive attrition wars from WW1. No one was expecting this kind of warfare.

Operation Barbarossa was over one long front, while the French attack was through a small forest that then spread out into france like a leak on a boat. You can't directly compare them like you tried to.

I had thought the same about Russia too, and still do, but the prevailing thought is that Stalin was too "paranoid" and stupid to try to go on the offensive.

I don't know if you were being sarcastic about the K:D statement, but I genuinely do think it's a good measure of an army and it's ability.
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>>1487179
>It's not the job of the Americans to supply the Russians the material and then use it to fight their war. The Russians got the material, and they were expected to use it. Many more Russians would have died without it.
I never said that it was the job of the Americans, I said that the Russians were the ones who ended up dying on the battlefield using the shit they were given. My point being that all it cost the Americans was some steel and shit which they had in surplus in all honesty and it cost the Russians their lives.

>Even though the cold war was going on, why was the US still doing good? The US never got even close to the USSR's conditions throughout the entire cold war. It's not even an argument that the US was better to it's people.
Because the US was a democratically elected system where if you made changes that would result in massive decreases in quality of life, worse working conditions or massive increases in work hours then you would be impeached, not get elected again if at all and so on. Also because the west was better off to begin with, both in terms of quality of life and economic strength in industry and technology. The massive number of luxury industries we in the west had making random shit and moving tons of cash around allowed the government to avoid heavy taxation of the majority of the people effectively, even more so once you realise we just took more and more loans and deficits in almost every western nation almost constantly grew. It also helps that the USSR suffered from a fair few disasters and mistakes in their time, wasting resources. They also spent resources bringing the Chinese and other soviet republics up to speed, equipping rebels and so on. Although the US did the same to other nations, so the effects of these things is lessened.

>Of course life expectancy rose after the most destructive war in Human history, especially in the USSR.
True but I doubt that you are going to include war as a factor in your life expectancy calculations. As I would point out that prior to that many graphs I have seen show the life expectancy slowly increasing up to the values present in the 1940's. Also I would point out this section was about how the quality of life under the Soviet's did rise significantly. Not that it was better than America. I just grabbed the whole quote for the sake of simplicity.

>Listen, I agree about Goddard. He was an American hero and deserves a lot more attention and respect, however, there wasn't a big interest in space as it was seen as a hobby, like VR. I don't get the quote you pulled up.
You implied that the US had no interest in space prior to the founding of NASA. I gave evidence, Goddard's / Braun's work before then for the US, this was false.
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>>1487363
And? I wasn't saying the Americans did more work, all I was saying was that it was extremely helpful to the Russians.

The Soviet economic development was on them. The west chose capitalism and it brought more people put of poverty than any other economic system in history. The US heavily supported our allies, and yet we never went broke, and in fact, we only got richer because of it. The people who thought up the Marshall Plan were geniuses.

Every life expectancy was rising all over the world, even in Africa. If we can trust these documents, then it just proves that the worldwide health was increasing everywhere.

If there was focus for space previous to NASA, then there would have been a pre-NASA. Goddard was a pioneer in his field and there weren't enough of him to make an entire seperate administration, nor was the tech all there. We did use rockets on some weapons though. Braun laid down the groundwork for NASA, but as I said earlier, the US didn't see the need for one right now, until the Russians launched Sputnik
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Okay I'm home now, who'se up.
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>>1487363
I don't get what you mean with:
>Of course Braun was instrumental, but the Russians had plenty of scientists. Of course they classified all of their stuff so it's hard to research.
Besides the fact they also had the Nazi scientists and shit that the US also had.

>The focus was on missiles to carry nuclear warheads, or the theory to do it. Now to launch little satellites and dogs into space.
The core function of getting shit into space was still there and I would point out that the fundamental differences between many US manned mission's primary stages and that of a ICBM was minuscule. As they often served both purposes. The difficulty of launching a satellite and launching a nuke to another continent are about the same in all honesty, all that changes is the size of the rocket's fuel tank and even then possibly not that much.

>I mean not all large government actions. The New Deal wasn't a colossal failure, and millions didn't get killed in the process.
There's always an exception and I honestly don't know much about depression era america, so I can barely comment on this matter.

>These droughts were caused by incompetence by the government. The Aral sea was drained completely to feed the farms. The US, other than the dust bowl, managed to successfully irrigate and take care of their crops.
Ah yes, the US ignoring a disaster which rendered by 1934, because of years of repeated dust storms, approximately 100 million acres of farmland no longer had enough topsoil to grow crops. I mean, totally spotless record besides that. Ignoring the fact that the US pulled the same shit as the USSR on a smaller scale all the time to supply large cities with their water, turning fertile valleys and lakes into deserts and dry-lands.

>My original point was I don't want any Soviet or communist connection because I have moral objections about it.
And I have moral objections with being connected to the american government but I don't complain about it as a major point in this argument. I only bring it up in regards to how the people of the wastes will see us. I would also point out that no one in the wastes will know who the USSR are or more or less anything about them. At most they'll know them as the home communism and that will be it.

>That's why Communism will work, as there are always going to be assholes.
I agree, that is why I haven't advocated for communism except under those specific conditions. Because they are impossible conditions.

>Efficiency isn't killing millions of people, directly or indirectly. It's getting jobs done without the massive blood cost.
That is factually incorrect. Efficiency is getting the most done with the least waste and effort. Stalin did a fuck ton with very little all things considered, we can argue the ethics and morality of what he did as a separate point in which case I agree it was a little fucked up.
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>>1487461
I was saying that the Soviets, even now, had their top secret info locked up tighter than a nun.

Well the uses of launching a satellite, and a nuke, are different. Not massively, but enough so that if you weren't focusing solely on space "exploration" then you were going to be behind.

I thought I brought up the dust bowl earlier, but if I didn't, the points you brought up were valid. However, the US fixed it without killing millions and now the midwest is the most fertile place in the world (I think. I hope I'm right because I live here.)

The US government and the Soviet government can't even be closely related. I mean the US government is fucked, but it can't even be seen through the same lens as the USSR. That was my original point.
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>>1487458
Hey QM. I decided to try and settle on a national anthem...it went down hill so fast. God help us all.

>>1487461
>The shores of the dove coasts were completely fortified. The beaches were bunkers in themselves. While it's easy in hindsight to look at the numbers, in wartime when everything is hidden and classified, then it's a little scary. You probably know more about your home territory than I do, so I'll take your word.
Calming measures for the people of Britain and precautions to make hitler think he would need more troops / think twice about invasion. I would also point out that we lacked enough guns and the ability to produce them for our troops but we did have concrete, sandbags and so on, so making a bunch of empty bunkers and concrete fortifications would buy us time or at least make it look like we were a bigger threat than we really were. Allowing us to direct our efforts to where they mattered: the air war and the African front.

>But you can't ignore how fast the Germans attacked, as they learned their lessons on defensive attrition wars from WW1. No one was expecting this kind of warfare.
Entirely true, the Germans developed their doctrine well but so did the other sides. It's just that the war they all expected didn't come and Germany was the one left holding the lucky ticket for the gambles they took on which of the doctrine "horses" would win the race.

>Operation Barbarossa was over one long front, while the French attack was through a small forest that then spread out into france like a leak on a boat. You can't directly compare them like you tried to.
I am making rough comparisons to show that the French, one of the worlds most respected and well equipped military forces shouldn't have completely collapsed in 42 days while it took the Polish, a force who can best be at best optimistically described as "plucky" or "the underdog", lasted 36 days and that it is thus quite impressive that the USSR did not also collapse entirely. I admit there are hugely different circumstances, the french didn't want to fight a war while the Soviet's seemed quite willing to spill their own blood in defence of the motherland.

>I had thought the same about Russia too, and still do, but the prevailing thought is that Stalin was too "paranoid" and stupid to try to go on the offensive.
Paranoid, maybe. Stupid, I doubt that. Stalin always came across to me as a overly cautious man but never as a dullard.

>I don't know if you were being sarcastic about the K:D statement, but I genuinely do think it's a good measure of an army and it's ability.
Well yeah, we don't really do wars of attrition anymore but for a fair time it was a good way of saying your troops are better equipped or trained. Plus, if you kill all of their troops, they really can't resist you taking their shit.

>And? I wasn't saying the Americans did more work, all I was saying was that it was extremely helpful to the Russians.
Okay, okay it just didn't come across that way.
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>>1487461
I mean, if lots of people died, because of mismanagement and the like, thats pretty inefficient.

Can we just agree the soviets did shit things and impressive things, and the US did their own shit things and impressive things?
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>>1487499
>The Soviet economic development was on them. The west chose capitalism and it brought more people put of poverty than any other economic system in history. The US heavily supported our allies, and yet we never went broke, and in fact, we only got richer because of it. The people who thought up the Marshall Plan were geniuses.
Oh I don't disagree but that is because construction and rebuilding always generate a ton of money, it's part of the reason we exited WW 2 so badly off: we still had all of our old and shit infrastructure to deal with plus the war debts and so on.

Meanwhile the USSR just chugged along the same as always, then the went through a massive labour shortage from all the dead men aged 16-40 and a lack of experience in many fields and then a generation later they were more or less back on track...then the USSR collapsed thanks to a weak government allowing member states to secede.

>Every life expectancy was rising all over the world, even in Africa. If we can trust these documents, then it just proves that the worldwide health was increasing everywhere.
Aye but my point is that life expectancy did rise under the USSR and that they did make the lives of their citizens better.

>If there was focus for space previous to NASA, then there would have been a pre-NASA.
Aye, I showed evidence of this. Primarily in regards to ICBM's mind you but still accurate.

>Goddard was a pioneer in his field and there weren't enough of him to make an entire separate administration, nor was the tech all there.
True but the implication was there all along.

>We did use rockets on some weapons though.
So did the Germans, Russians and I think the British but I could be wrong on that one.

>Braun laid down the groundwork for NASA, but as I said earlier, the US didn't see the need for one right now, until the Russians launched Sputnik
I don't disagree but my point is that from the same starting point, the US was beaten to space by the USSR because they didn't invest into it. Even though many scientists on their side and many generals seemingly should have been aware of it's uses and potential. To the point that it shouldn't have even been a question of funding it.

>I was saying that the Soviets, even now, had their top secret info locked up tighter than a nun.
Aye but that doesn't change the fact they had all the same data more or less as the US and yet still decided to focus on space first.

>Well the uses of launching a satellite, and a nuke, are different. Not massively, but enough so that if you weren't focusing solely on space "exploration" then you were going to be behind.
The uses yes, not the means. The only difference comes from the warhead and seeing as the warhead you launched later that same month was of a far more advanced design, made to collect information about cosmic radiation, it implies it had been in the works for sometime. That or NASA had the shit for the design just lying around or it was easier to make than it sounded.
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>>1487551
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>>1487503
Look I am almost done but I do agree with you, both sides are terrible like every government since the first city.

>>1487567
>I thought I brought up the dust bowl earlier,
You didn't but it's fine.

>However, the US fixed it without killing millions and now the Midwest is the most fertile place in the world (I think. I hope I'm right because I live here.)
True they did but some of damage remains I would imagine and I would point out the US avoided millions dying purely because they failed to record any details at the time about that sort of thing: according to:

https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-starved-to-death-during-the-Great-Depression
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/149yg8/how_many_americans_died_of_hunger_during_the/
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/12297/how-many-people-in-the-us-starved-to-death-during-the-great-depression

I mention all these as they share a quote from your then-president and imply he was manipulating the markets of food to raise prices and such. Talk about corrupt? Not to mention possibly lying to the press about the welfare of the homeless. One implies that several million of your citizens died and another as high as 10 million! Such a terrible travesty, eh?

I would point out the most fertile place on earth is probably the South american rain-forests, seeing as they've dragged all the nutrients for a fair distance down to the top soil.

>The US government and the Soviet government can't even be closely related. I mean the US government is fucked, but it can't even be seen through the same lens as the USSR. That was my original point.
And that never factors into what I was discussing...
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Man your rolls are consistently shit today.
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>>1487499
Like I said, I won't fight you on the British Homefront, as you would know best, just like how you didn't fight me when it came to America.

I don't think it is fair to say the french didn't want to fight a war, rather they didn't get to because they were woefully unprepared and once they were ready, their country fell.

Stalin I would say was the world's greatest bureaucrat and politician. I would never call him stupid.

>>1487567
Well the Marshall plan certainly didn't hurt economic recovery in the slightest. Too bad the Russians didn't have their own version.

Well like I also said, life expectancy was rising all over the world, so it rising in the USSR wasn't anything to break out the champagne for. It was just expected. The US had the real eye boggling recovery and growth.

>Aye, I showed evidence of this.
Just because they were tinkering with rockets and had a few billion in funding, doesn't mean they were ready to make NASA. We don't know how much the Russians put into their space agency, but we can agree that they started the race first.

It probably was a debate over it, but the Sputnik woke everyone up and the consensus was that we need NASA and we need to beat the Ruskies in a dick measuring contest. It's like not realizing the gun went off for the run because you were finishing tying your shoes.

I am not really understanding this space race discussion, Could you recap and guide us back on course?

The point of a missile is to strike another place, while the use of a rocket to put a satellite in space is another thing. My point was while the delivery was kinda the same thing, I don't think we have the authority or knowledge to talk about this part.

>>1487622
I am not denying that people died due to the Dust Bowl, but Jesus Christ those two events are not even comparable, as millions did not die from malnutrition or starvation. The American midwest is the most fertile place that is being farmed. You can't really grow corn or beef in the South American rainforests. But you can make some good beef in America.

>And that never factors into what I was discussing...
Then maybe I misunderstood when you said that you had moral objections being connected to the US government, which then I said you can't compare the two and the US government is much better

Out of courtesy for QM, I am done now and I hope we both learned something

QM your rolls are shit
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>>1487673
Yeah we can continue this another time if we really want to, say, after OP leaves for the night or until he arrives next time?
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>>1487723
Sure
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QM?
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You and your followers get to work, and begin hauling up pieces of the Black Mountain Radio tower up the lucky 38, evelator trip by elevator trip.

It’s tedious, and lengthy, you do your best to organize it, having some followers carry the items just in front of the elevator while others up top are waiting to move it to a central place from which to build it. The most dangerous part is actual construction on the roof, this you do yourself along with ARES who you (hope) should be salvageable if there’s a huge fall, but as added precaution you remembered to bring rope and chains as tether.

In the cold night air ARES is welding the pieces of the radio tower on the roof of the Lucky 38, as you observe the entire Mojave in its massive seizure of violence. The whistle of shells from Fort Nellis, preceding the thunder in the distance, the sparkles of gunfire, lasers, and plasma everywhere, north south east and west, but especially around Hoover dam where the Boomers aircraft is dropping bombs on both armies, in an effort to decimate either of them. The strip is covered in smoke, but you can see the gun and laser flashes in windows of the Tops and the White Glove Society where no doubt the Omerta’s are waging war, and can look below on Freeside and West Side as an even greater mess.
Staring off at the Hoover Dam in the distance, as its being bombed, you wonder who is winning. You’ve made efforts to weaken both sides.

>NCR Radio
“All units in hoover dam, fall back to the lower levels, the Legion are redeploying in their breach beneath the dam due to the bombs.”

“Our reinforcements are delayed due to the artillery strikes, the Recon elements report the Legions own supply lines are being disrupted. We can win this!”

House drag on, and the Radio keeps going. You’re under the impression that neither side is making a difference. It almost feels like the NCR might have won, by a narrow margin, without your intervention but you can’t be sure. Whatever it is, it’s becoming a bloodbath.
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>>1490295
*Upgrade's to House's Tower
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>>1490306
The Bulk of the Radio Tower is built without incident, and down below Mary-Jo had successfully integrated the computer components and uplinks to House's system as per your Brain's specifications.

A flick of the switch and a loud buzzing sound as the Terminal comes to life, followed by some time waiting as the Radio sends a long distance Encrypted data transmission via long range radio, until at last there's a return reply, and an image of your brain on House's big terminal screen.

"Oh, hello there. I see you've successfully set up the system. This is the Lucky 38? Very interesting, House's system

. . .

why, it's brilliant!

I mean, BigMT's computers are more high tech but this Cerebro he built, it's profoundly intuitive and efficient. If only I could show it to you somehow. Where the Think Tank would apply 20 tons of equipment, House has done with a few micro-super-processors! I'm definitely going to need to apply some of his ideas.

It does feel like its lacking something important. Missing bits of information and redacted systems everywhere, I suppose this is why he wanted the platinum chip. I can just sense that his whole network has such vast room for improvement. Do insert the chip into the Terminal please, I'd like to connect to the Sucuritrons at full capacity."

>con't
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>>1490328
We are helping the NCR first though, right?
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>>1490335
Ha. We've fucked over both sides horribly.


We will however go in and clear up the remaining forces of both sides, accepting any who wish to surrender on the NCR side to return as a part of the peace deal with them.
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>>1490339
Not the legion though. Fuck those guys
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>>1490372
Nah, I think we should enslave them at least until such a time as the legion is dead or they have shown to be lacking loyalty to the legion.


Also, we should remember the Legion have a fuck ton of slaves we need to free, plus their subjugated tribal subjects should we ever expand to Arizona.
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>>1490328
You insert the chip, and there's something of a humming noise.

>Brain
"I. . .I can see.

I can see everything!

Oh dear this is quiet horrific, what on earth were you trying to accomplish in the Mojave?

A lot of Securitrons seem to have been destroyed in between when you disconnected House and uploaded me, I think the Omerta', Legion, and Khan are responsible. And a few NCR soldiers using them as cover.

My goodness what I'm seeing from the survivors around Vegas. Are those boomers blowing up the entire Mojave at a whim? You encouraged the Raiders, Powder Gangers, and every criminal you could get your hands on to go crazy on the NCR? There's Legion and NCR mixed up everywhere, outer vegas is practically destroying iself, and the legion are marching on every town they can reach.

I'd better sense some Securitrons to Cottonwood Cove.

Out of the 250 I believe House had in the Mojave, I detect 180 have been completely destroyed while inactive, 40 will need to retreat and engage the Auto-Repair systems, and 30 are left intact all in New Vegas.

It is good you upgraded the securitrons below the dam. I count about 600 Securitrons MK II's completely intact."

>con't
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>>1490383
Doesn't enslaving kinda go against our original idea? Do you mean keep the POW's?
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>>1490386
Jesus christ.
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>>1490397
Kinda. The problem is that the Legion inspires great loyalty in their people and thus they mostly won't be willing to do anything without being threatened. The ones who are willing to change sides we will take as members however.


I suppose we could make it a deal where they work for us for a year, then we let them go free and on to the Legion lands, to find their tribe.

I don't plan on keeping POW's unless the NCR proves unwilling to accept peace. In which case getting as many as possible seems smart. Especially if we can make their people aware of how many people could be reunited with their families if their government relented.
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>>1490406
Honestly I admit the losses are a fair bit bigger than I expected but I would think that of those 180 lost we can salvage a fair few given time and resources. Considering how many people we have who have experience with this sort of thing.


We can also see about getting other robots like protections and Mr handy variants from the ruin's of the wastes. Not to mention whatever we can salvage from Big MT.
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>>1490407
Well we shouldn't keep any of the legion soldiers alive. They wouldn't for us.
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>>1490422
True but that doesn't mean we should sink to their levels. Blame Ceaser, he created a society of extremely loyal but barbaric people.

That doesn't mean we should blame them for how they were raised unless it effects our interests. Killing them consumes resources we can spend elsewhere.
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>>1490406
Jesus H buttfucking christ
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>>1490432
It's not that bad...yet. I mean for a nat 1 we are actually coming off pretty well.
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>>1490431
Killing them costs nothing compared to keeping them as prisoner. You aren't suggesting we let them go, are you?
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>>1490440
I am. If we have defeated the Legion and they have no more reason to fight, then I have no problem letting them go east and find their tribe.

If however the Legion remains after this battle...we will see how it goes.


Also, we need to get a message to the boomers somehow to get them to re-target shit and stop hitting civilian targets.
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>>1490444
The legion will still remain after this battle, but in a few years, probably not. I obviously can't agree to that for clear reasons, but maybe there are others here who share your sentiment
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>>1490450
See, my logic is that if we send them back to the legion's lands, they will hold off NCR expansion into the region and maintain the stability of the region.

Then in the future, when the Legion has fell apart and we start moving through the region setting up townships and shit. Chances are they will remember our kindness and leave us be, even if only one does this, we gain something.
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>Brain
"Okay, I wasn't expecting this I had hoped we'd have more time before the battle began. . .and that you'd definitively decide to help a side here.

House's securitrons are very strong, and have auto-repair mechanisms but nothing is indestructible. We'd need to ration and combine their strength as far as possible, and I think even the destroyed ones can be repaired if scavenged

The safest option I recommend is to ignore the battle and take all of our remaining securitrons for the exodus to BigMT. I will portion about 100 of these to salvaging the wrecks of our destroyed bots, while the remaining gather the essential elements of transport I had planned for Cottonwood Cove's exodus. You'll see what I mean. This is safest it ensures those responsible for transport are also being protected by Securitrons themselves and maintains force cohesion.

After this, I will program the Securitrons to follow your orders and seal the Lucky 38 from within. The tower itself is mostly a facade, asides the Radio and communications tower, the real important elements are beneath ground protected by several yards of concrete and steel enough to withstand a nuclear blast. Even if the Legion or the NCR takes Vegas, they won't break into the place anytime soon. Alternatively, I can activate a self-destruct mechanism. In either case, I deactivate the lucky 38 and give you programmed control of the Securitrons on your journey to BigMT, where we can build a new and more improved tower to control the robots.

I can anticipate however you'd want to influence the battle here and remain in the Mojave, even with a token force of Robots. It's much more risky, but I have a plan for that as well.

I believe we can safely leave behind up to 200 robots at most, 100 at the least to be effective, to both participate in the battle and remain in Vegas. I can foresee some losses, perhaps the salvaged wrecks can be repaired and put to use here in Vegas instead as well. They will remain here as eyes and ears in the Mojave, but will have to stay on Guard around the Lucky 38. If anything happens to the tower, we lose connection with them and therefore control, which is why I never intended the Lucky 38 or Black Mountain to be a permanent solution to long range control over these bots.

Under no circumstances would I advocate staying here in the Mojave, it's. . .a mess to say the least.You'd have much better results going to BigMT to prepare a force to fix this than trying to sweep a big mess from inside it."

>Go with Brain's Plan A - All securitrons put to use for the Exodus to BigMT
>Go with Brain's Plan B - About 500 Securitrons put to use for the Exodus to BigMT. 100 remain behind to influence some events here and then guard Vegas and the Lucky 38
>Other?
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>>1490458
If the NCR really wanted to push northerly, which they wont for years, then a few thousand legion won't make a huge difference.

We just can't let these guys go because they will be back fighting us in no time. Like you said, it's how they were raised from birth. Killing them is the only real logical choice here
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>>1490467
>plan b
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>>1490467
>>Other?
Leave 100 here to win the battle for the NCR. The Mojave will do better under them than the legion. Then 20 will stay to guard the lucky 38, but the rest will continue along to Big Mt.
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>>1490477
That's essentially plan B really, after the battle (on whosever side you pick) they will go to the Lucky 38 to guard the tower.
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>>1490467
>Go with Brain's Plan B - About 500 Securitrons put to use for the Exodus to BigMT. 100 remain behind to influence some events here and then guard Vegas and the Lucky 38

"I'll try and extract more from this disaster and the people here -workers, robots, weapons, fuel- and send them your way. Once I feel I have bled the region dry I will fall back to you unless you tell me you have finished your projects and are ready to start conquering."
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>>1490480
I just didn't want all 100 to go, or however many there were left. It doesn't seem necessary,.
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I vote Plan B. Time to bail.
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>>1490495
Not yet, I have a plan.


We are going to scrap the entire Mojave wasteland, or as near to as we can and move it to big MT.

Every robot we can repair or capture, every human we can convince to join, every drop of fuel or radioactive, bandage or bullet we will load up and move you to Big MT.
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>>1490483
>bled the region dry
These are still Mojave citizens here
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>>1490508
Yep and I want to bleed the region dry of them too.
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>>1490506
That would take more than the few hours we have left before the battle is over
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>>1490506
That'd take too long and its ALREADY on fire.
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>>1490511
>>1490514
Fine I guess we can just run. We can do covert gathering for shit later...
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>>1490506
Uhhh...about that...we kind of set it on fire.
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>>1490519
By that I still mean plan B but I mean using the Transportalponder to move between the two places and getting shit like repairing the robots in Helios 1's control tower, linking them to the Lucky 38 control network and then using them either for defence or sending on to Big MT depending on what model / make they are. Possibly freeing up a securotron or two.
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>>1490520
We didn't set it all on fire. Just most of it.


Luckily most of the places that are now on fire lacked most of the things I want to get...besides people. Those would've been nice.
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>>1490531
I sure hope our politicians don't talk like this.
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>>1490544
What regarding their people merely as pawns and resources to lose or gain?


That is how they treat voters at the very least.
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>>1490552
Doesn't mean we have to be like that, This is our chance at a new start
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>Brain
"Alright, Plan B it is. Now, just a few more items to clarify.

First off, the satellite at the Mojave Drive in, the only working output beacon for your gun to BigMountain.

I'd recommend taking it with your convoy to BigMT, so that you could travel freely between BigMT. It does mean you'd eventually not be able to instantly teleport back to the Mojave.

Another option is to leave it somewhere safe, perhaps the Remnant Bunker, if you deem travel to the Mojave more important over your convoy."

>Bring it with the Convoy
>Leave it at the Remnant Bunker

"Next the issue of the battle. The safest thing I believe is to simply act as if these securitrons were House himself, and maintain a charade. Unless you wish it to be otherwise, for whatever reason."

>Pretend to be House
>Let the wasteland know it's us
>Other?

"Lastly, the Chinese tank. You mentioned wanting to use it to meet up with your convoy for added protection, most likely somewhere halfway now.

They will likely need a guide from BigMT to the Mojave. Meaning you or a Securitron sent ahead, I don't know how safe that is considering these securitrons will have to be on self automated due to being outside of our communication range in between BigMT an the Mojave"

>Tell the brain you intend to guide the tank yourself
>Tell the brain you would like to send securitrons to do the job
>Leave the tank stay, we'll be with our Convoy
>other?
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>>1490562
>>Leave it at the Remnant Bunker
I do agree that we will need to go to the Mojave a good amount

>Pretend to be House

>Leave the tank stay, we'll be with our Convoy
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>>1490560
True. A shame they had to die...


Now onto business. How many protecotrons, eyebots, Mr handy's, sentry bots, robo-brains and such are there in the wastes? If we can repair them and link them to the cerebro control system we could greatly reduce the number of Securotrons needed to defend our holdings in the region. Freeing them for operations in and around Big MT.


Also we need to continue recruiting people to bulk out our numbers: 90 people does not a civilisation make. Since however the NCR will probably not take kindly to us once this is over we will have to be covert...unless we pretend this all happened without us being involved or blame it on House. Then we could continue to be the Hero of the NCR and take advantage of their support but honestly I feel that might weaken our cause long term.
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>>1490568
What he/she/vertabird said.
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>>1490562
>Bring it with the Convoy

We can reserve design it.

>Spin it that House betrayed everybody and we're attempting to fix it. His math was wrong, really wrong.

>Leave the tank stay, we'll be with our Convoy
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>>1490562
>Leave it at the Remnant Bunker

>Pretend to be House

>Leave the tank stay, we'll be with our Convoy
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>>1490562
>>1490574
2nd. Should we have the tank do anything while we're away, help clear out some areas in BigMT near our arrival route?
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>>1490574
There is no promise we can redesign it right away. Big Mt. isn't an automatic game over. Things till take time
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>>1490616
I never said we could do it right away? I said we could in general.
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>>1490632
And then restrict ourselves the chance to go back into the Mojave?
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>>1490632
>>1490639
Let's just leave it in the Remnant bunker. It's safer there than at Big MT and if we are really bothered to make another one then chances are the files and such on it are still in Big mt.
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>Brain
"I am activating the securitrons."

The computer screen shifts to several different perspectives, you presume from Various positions throughout the mojave, while one is centered on the Securitron army beneath the fort. The ones above on the surface go out to try and gather and salvage Securitrons bodies, bringing them back to the foot of the Lucky 38 while blasting and dissecting anything that tries to stop them.

Meanwhile, in the Bunker the great army of Securitrons buzzes to life and a mighy Vault door opens up, as sand pours through. The securitrons erupt from the Fort, now largely abandoned as most of the Legion are joined in the assault on Hoover Dam or in the nearby Legate's Camp.

About 100 of these depart south, probably to secure Cottonwood Cove. Very fortunate, as you see that Cottonwood Cove itself is under attack, holding its own against another force of Legionnaire's trying to storm it. You're not able to clearly see how many casualties there are, but yuo can see a number of your settlers much better armed and with additional help from more companions holding themselves. Ares in particular stands at the front, her robotic body absorbing bullet fire as she mows down Legionaires with her upgraded Laser Rifle, and the familiar sound of Hazel's unique Sniper Rifle blasting away.

As soon as the Seccuritrons arrive, a symphony of massed rockets sing through the sky and land squarely on the Legion forces, while galing lasers from securitrons open up.

Meanwhile, 400 others head west strangely, toward the rail yard near Vegas.

The Securitrons begin to surround various Railways cars, lining up with at least a dozen on either side. With great strength, they proceed to lift up and entire Railway car and carry it toward Cottonwood Cove. Many other railways cars are similarly being towed south.

Down below securitrons are also carrying away your truck.

So that's how your brain intended to move all your pop and those heavy items he asked for.

>con't
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>>1490705
It's not exactly very fast, a good number of securitrons are spent guarding the ones carrying the rail cars from attacks by just about everything from Legion to riled up monsters to confused powder gangers and raiders.

Last but not least the 100 you plan to use to press the battle of Hoover Dam to your liking.

How do your forces enter the fray?

>Support the NCR, pour into the Dam and combine forces to protect your securitrons
>Support the NCR, attack the main Legion army at the Legate's camp alone
>Support the Legion, pour into the dam and combine forces
>Kill em all and let god sort em out!

Roll me a 1d100 with your vote
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>1490719
>Kill em all and let god sort em out!
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Rolled 1 (1d100)

>>1490719
>>Support the NCR, pour into the Dam and combine forces to protect your securitrons
I would rather leave NCR in charge
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>>1490727
And the Dice find your answer wrong. Lol
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>>1490728
Well it seems we need to use that boon now
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>>1490729
>Use the Boon to save the NCR
Lol, no.
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Rolled 48 (1d100)

>>1490719
>Kill'em all

Still run this at the worse times for me. Thank God I have a phone for lunch
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>>1490727
CRIT LOCKED
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>>1490734
>>1490731
Anon...
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>>1490734
Rip Bots or Rip NCR cause we just sent nukes into there lines?
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Rolled 1 (1d100)

>>1490719
>>Support the NCR, pour into the Dam and combine forces to protect your securitrons
>>1490737
We sent nukes into their lines?
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Now would be a good time to urn our two boons I think.
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>>1490740
>>1490742
>>1490736
Do not use Boon's on something stupid like this, We can come back and fix everything up later. Let it be. We're pretending to be Mr. house anyway.
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>>1490740
>>1490727
DOUBLE CRIT LOCKED
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>>1490747
It isn't really "stupid" and some other anons agree. We are probably just gonna have a vote for it
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>>1490719
>>1490734
>>1490749
Hey QM, just to check, are we on Rule of 3 or Rule of 4 for crits?

>>1490747
This will go under history as Mr. House's worse tactical plunder.
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>>1490750
It really IS stupid, Why the fuck should we waste a Boon on the NCR?
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>>1490756
This is about the battle of the dam and who rules the Mojave. It is extremely fucking important.
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>>1490740
Doesn't this count as 100 since it's the 3rd crit?
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>>1490755
the 4th 1, Counts as a 100. However it has to be in the same thread as the other 3.

>>1490758
Thats not what I asked, Why should we waste it on the NCR? And not ourselves? Somebody who is gonna come back and RETAKE the dam anyway from them?
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>>1490755
I've decided to be more merciful in regards to crits. I am changing to the original rule of 3 from Genieverse, also partly because my threads are a bit shorter.

It is Crit - Crit - FLIP

So next 1 is a 100 for you guys.

If you guys want to spend a boon, all it takes is +3 votes of yes, unless you also tie with the "no" votes
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>>1490761
I don't give a shit who we waste it on, but the fact is we DON'T want the legion winning, and this crit could fuck over our Bots
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>>1490760
>>1490755
Depends on what Rule of Crits we're on. We haven't actually activated the rule yet, despite managing to get 3 1s and 3 100s in a thread once.
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>>1490765
Yes
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>>1490760
Hmmm, technically the first 1 of the thread was My roll not yours, but it did involve the result of you guys.

Let me think on this.
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>>1490765
No boon.

>>1490766
>Don't want the legion winning
Who the hell said they are gonna win from this? If we go with indepent. Then we fail in general and can pin the bots on going rogue.
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>>1490767
It was for that reason I'm shortening it, I'm not about to go back on my word I just said a few minutes ago either.
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>>1490765
No boon. We should save them for RnD or clearing Big Mt.
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>>1490773
Because if the NCR get totally fucked from this, or we AND the NCR get totally fucked, then the legion could swoop in
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This thread is now archived.
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>>1490775
That is a good idea but functionally we will struggle to do either of those if we die here or lose too many resources.
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>>1490781
Which falls apart and unable to hold any of the land it keeps from breaking apart when Ceaser dies. Thus ensuring an EASIER time to cleaning up the area. It also makes it seem like the Legion are the true bad guys and never expected.
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>>1490765
This could either be a good or bad time for a flipped crit for us.

>>1490771
How many other pivotal rolls are we going to get as this in this thread? Will this affect just the causalities taking place at the dam and the potential victor, or does it have broader effects than that?

>>1490774
Are you sure you don't want to purely just to gain the satisfaction from changing your declarations on a whim?

>>1490719
If things go to hell, can we get a radio to call the other factions we hired to change targets?
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>>1490784
So the Mojave falls into massive chaos and even more death appears? Also, the legion are arguably the bad guys, they just let you side with them
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>>1490783
I believe these are just the robots we sent here. None of our important assets are here, so losing here would be fine.
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>>1490786
Anybody in New Vegas is 'arguably' the bad guys. House for being a Money first type of guy, who is presented as uncaring or feeling. The corrupt NCR that sends young boys untrained to die. or the Legion with slaves. Don't try the 'bad guy' card with me.

Also, Its ALREADY in total chaos. unless another alien ship lands. The fires won't burn any brighter unless the entire time is suddenly nuked from orbit and destroyed which is impossible with the current tech both sides have. Also these rolls are for ONLY the Dam site battle. Nowhere else.
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>>1490787
Except we only have 600 or so functional ones and most of those are on the other side of the fighting and might get destroyed.
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>>1490785
>Are you sure you don't want to purely just to gain the satisfaction from changing your declarations on a whim?
Heh if anything you want me to stick to my new declaration, cause otherwise you get the Double Whammy.

It's always a good day for a Double Whamy

>>1490785
Depends on which faction and how well you roll.
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>>1490791
Conscription does not equal crucifixion and slavery. The Mojave is bad, but the NCR with all it's bullshit will bring order. The Legion too, but at the cost of many more lives. The Humane choice is obvious
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>>1490794
This is only for the battle of the dam

>>1490797
Double whammy please.
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>>1490791
>Suddenly nuked from orbit and destroyed which is impossible with the current tech both sides have.
Meanwhile on B.O.M.B-1.

Alternatively, somewhere in the divide...
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>>1490802
And all we have in the Mojave to secure our interests

>>1490797
no whammy pls
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>>1490802
Which our units are moving to take part in. Including 100 securotrons. Or at least that is my understanding...
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>>1490797
Double it baby, What bullshit you got for us again. Another UFO?

>>1490799
I could careless what the 'humane' choice is, Its a quest based on a video game. I'm here to have fun and play both sides whenever possible.

>>1490805
I thought -1 was out of nukes?

>>1490811
Sense when, only 100 bots were being sent in the rest are busy getting shit.
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>>1490797
No whammy pls.
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>>1490797
>>1490802
>>1490805
Nuke me harder, daddy.
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>>1490813
>I could careless what the 'humane' choice is
That's all I needed to know
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>>1490820
>>1490813
>>1490807
Alright.

We're sticking with the "Rule of 4", no change.

[Hand Steeple Intensifies]
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>>1490813
>the rest are busy getting shit
Most of them were in the bunker under the fort, on the other side of the Legion's forces and moving to take part in the battle to my understanding.


It's the bots we had on this side in vegas and such that are moving to get shit and defend Cottonwood.
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>>1490824
>I need to apply my morals in the real world to a fake quest and video game.

You REALIZE this is Fallout right? where morality isn't a thing?

>>1490826
What are you gonna do, Strike from above my brother?

>>1490827
Ya, but only 100 were getting involved in the battle. So unless QM suddenly has the NCR turn hostile on us or some other weird shit. We'll only lose like 100 bots give or take.
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>>1490797
>Depends on which faction and how well you roll.
>>1490826
So this only affects the 100 Securitrons we sent in for the dam, not the rest of the Mojave with the other 500 Securitrons and our convoy? If so then I'll save the boons for later.
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>>1490833
And that's why it never becomes a thing.
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>>1490842
Wut?
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>>1490840
The 100 at the dam are the only ones we have for the Mojave plan

>>1490846
If your excuse is "morality doesn't exist" it never will.
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>>1490826
>>1490840
>>1490849
>The 100 at the dam are the only ones we have for the Mojave plan
Just wanted to check the double whammy doesn't have further reaching consequences. The others are still evacuating from the Mojave which is what I'm worried about.
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>>1490849
...I'm talking about that in a quest and video game, you should be able to put aside you're REAL WORLD morals. To benefit you in a game. This game isn't actually effecting REAL humans, so its fine to partake in the less then morally just or right things to do. Also, morality is always changing. At one point it was morally okay to rape when we're cave people. Now its not.

>>1490853
>>1490826

If suddenly they are efforted. Just call QM on bullshit.
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>>1490853
Well we don't know for sure, It was 2 1's

>>1490856
The fun I am having in this quest is making a nation that reflects my and other anon's morals and visions,
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>>1490861
then you should understand that sometimes, Our nation comes first. Not the NCR's.
>>1490826
yo Qm changing my vote for helpping ourselves to helpping the NCR.
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>>1490864
I'm not doing this for the NCR, I am doing it for the people of the Mojave, our future citizens.
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>>1490866
No, you want the NCR to win which will make it the hardest on us to reclaim the Mojave. the Legion would be the easier but more possible loss of life.

Also the NCR is a real threat to us, Football gear isn't.
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>>1490870
Except if the NCR loses there won't be anything left to reclaim. The Legion will have burned down, killed or enslaved every town and city between here and the NCR capital if they aren't stopped at the dam.


However, we can make it so it's a close fight. Make the NCR want to pull out.


Or alternatively we genuinely help the NCR and get them to understand we now control these lands and that, seeing the damage we did, we aren't going anywhere.


However based off of that roll, I do suppose we would be best off just grabbing as much of our shit and our ally's shit as we can and running for the Big MT facilities.
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>>1490870
I am not talking about the threat, I am talking about the damage that will result. If we let the legion win, the Mojave will be in ruins, more than it is now
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>>1490875
I wish we had, but I know alot of people wanted to stay in. I really do wish we hadn't rolled the 1's.

>>1490877
Just means we build easier. Always a silver lining no matter how good it is. NCR can convince them to never want to leave the NCR. They'll fight the legion.
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>>1490880
>we build easier
That's not even a good argument anon. We don't let entire towns and cities get enslaved and burned so we can completely start over. It's harder that way
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>>1490880
I wanted to stay too. That roll makes me think we would've been better off running.


If we are lucky, after this battle the Legion will take a few weeks to get across the river because they will be licking their wounds and shit. During which time we must try and get as many of the people and resources of the Mojave to Big Mt to reinforce our own numbers currently there.

I would suggest starting with places like Novac, Primm, Goodsprings and Freeside. Small and poor communities which aren't going to survive the Legion's arrival but are willing to join us.

We will however want to move our allies first: the boomers for example can't be left to fend for themselves because their guns are too valuable and they would fall by themselves when they run out shells or if the legion just rushes them.

The New khans and the bandits we should probably leave behind, given their nature and the fact that they'll provide a good speed bump to the efforts of the Legion.

I would also argue that saving the Followers of the apocalypse is of the highest priority.
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>>1490856
>If suddenly they are efforted. Just call QM on bullshit.
Here's hoping he doesn't delight in that.

>>1490719
>>1490826
>>1490864
>yo Qm changing my vote for helpping ourselves to helpping the NCR.
Great. I suppose this is going to help us earn brownie points without much of a loss if we fail spectacularly.
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>>1490886
I'll be honest, nither of us are gonna change opinions. So agree to disagree on this? At this point it really doesn't matter with those 1's. lol.

>>1490893
If, ands, and butts will always eat at you. We should've but didn't. So lets see what we can fix and can't.

>>1490896
figured we might as well try to salvage the situation by changing vote. NCR is worth more caps anyway.
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>>1490893
>I would also argue that saving the Followers of the apocalypse is of the highest priority.
They've been the most helpful to us so far, particularly with our medical issues when we first freed Cottonwood Cove.
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>>1490893
The followers won't leave Vegas with all the people suffering. We should HOPE that the NCR wins though
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>>1490740
>>1490727
Your securitrons rush in, blazing down legionaires in their path. You get to see the combat action of the securitrons first hand.

Not quite invincible, but a deadly force, by far more powerful than any BoS Paladin, turning men into piles of guts and gore with grenade blasts and rockets, or into slabs of charred meat with gatling lasers.

They are some casualties, primarily whenever a securitron is caught alone and ganged up upon by any of their centurions and decani bearing power thermic lances, power sledges, or ballistic fists, and as well as Anti-Matrial rifles, aiming for weak spots like their wheels or their arms. The securitrons are hardy and shrug off hits from single men, but ambushed they can be overwhelmed and destroyed, particularly whenever legion centurions lob pulse grenades or they step on a mine disorienting them. But these casualties are minimal as the the combined and cohesive force works its way down the dam, linking up with cheering NCR forces who rally behind them as they begin sweeping the legion to their cursed tunnels from where they seem to have made their deadly flanking attack.

>NCR Radio
"All troopers! The Securitrons have reactivated and are joining the battle as allies. Repeat, Mr. House's securitrons are on our side! We're winning the battle!"

>con't
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>>1490898
Aye but I always was the kind of man to pray for small mercies.

However my statement is accurate: we have at least decimated their forces with our bombardments and if we burn their food stores in their camp, they will need to forage and spread out to avoid starving.

>>1490899
Not to mention they are one of the most highly educated groups in the wastes.

If anyone is going to be able to work the shit we dig up in Big MT, it will probably be them.
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>>1490902
True but they aren't dumb enough to think the Legion will stop and wait for them to save the suffering. They'd start trying to evacuate immediately and if we are there offering a way out, they will take it.


Also, some battle music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmX1NlxYt_k
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>>1490910
Well again, that is IF the legion win

>>1490903
>everything going good
Well how is this going to get fucked
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>>1490893
>>1490905
Your statements of who we should rescue made me realize that despite sending out that general broadcast to contact any Enclave Remnants way back in the first thread, nobody responded back.

>>1490898
>figured we might as well try to salvage the situation by changing vote. NCR is worth more caps anyway.
Yep, good choice.

>>1490903
>>NCR Radio
>We're winning the battle!"
I'm going to feel so bad for the radioman once the double crit fails kick in.
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>>1490912
Yeah but you must remember that even if there were some Enclave remnants out there, who had the equipment to pick up that message and weren't suspicious about it being a NCR trap, chances are they have settled down some time in the last few decades.
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>>1490903
>>1490911
>>1490912
>>1490918
What are the chances that the Enclave Remnants we tried contacting back in the first thread do join in time to participate in the Battle for Hoover Dam when the crit fails kick in?
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>>1490924
Very low and if they do, I get the feeling we are about to experience a large amount of friendly fire.
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>>1490924
Tfw the dam is won by the Enclave
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>>1490903
Somewhere in one of the generator rooms, a few securitrons patrol, there aren't many legion here oddly. In fact as you've watched the battle, you wonder, is this the entire legion? Is this really Caesar's army? He must be weaker than you thought.

One of your securitrons detects a presence, and looks above at a gang plank. It's a single man, wearing a rubber scuba suit, covering his whole body except his face.

You recognize that face. It's Vulpes Inculta! The Legion frumentari. You spared him to maintain a positive reputation with the Legion.

And he's holding a detonator in his hand, and you see some nearby walls lined with explosives.

Vulpes puts on some kind of rubber mask, and then there's an explosion followed by the sound of rushing water. Your securitron has just enough time to see a huge wall of water coming in the side of the Hoover dam, as Vulpes leaps into the white stream. The wall of water hits your securitrons there, but they survive perfectly fine underwater.

But it wasn't the water the Securitrons needed fear, as the camera follows the rush of water as it heads toward the exposed power generators.

Quite suddenly, the screen goes dark, only leaving behind the words [lost connection]

Within minutes all across your screens the Securitrons see a rush of white, sparking water, before their screen goes dark, until ALL screens's avaiable within hoover dam are black.

>Brain
"Oh dear. . ."

>con't
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>>1490927
Well here is tot he people that thought those crits weren't going to affect us
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>>1490927
The legion just destroyed the damn. Well this thing is no longer valuable
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>>1490927
>Your securitron has just enough time to see a huge wall of water coming in the side of the Hoover dam, as Vulpes leaps into the white stream.
>>1490931
>>1490937
They destroyed Hoover Dam.... I'm not sure how to express my emotions right now.
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>>1490943
>I'm not sure how to express my emotions right now.
Got ya buddy
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>>1490943
I mean...enough explosives are possible but.. they shouldn't have any more bombs. Too destroy a concert structure like that is... Mind boggling
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>>1490955
>2 nat 1's
>>
I told you to burn a fucking boon didn't I?


>>1490927
Op I don't mean to burst your bubble but an electrical discharge from a generator wouldn't damage the Securitrons under water and an explosion underwater is, admittedly very deadly, very short-ranged.

So unless the dam is about to collapse, it shouldn't do this much damage.


If however you want to ignore this, I understand, seeing as we did get two Nat 1's and no one seemingly listened to me when I said we should use a boon.


>>1490931
I know right? What a fucking idiot that was.


>>1490937
>>1490943
Told you we should've used a boon.


>>1490955
Eh, depending on how OP is playing it with the generators, they could detonate and create a sizeable explosion seeing as this is fallout tech. Given time that would result in the dam breaking apart but not suddenly.
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>>1490981
No need for a boon. We can always just build a new one when we come back. I expected something else in all honesty.
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>>1490990
>new one
It would take a year or two Anon. Honestly think about repercussions
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>>1490990
We just lost every single fucking Securotron there. Not to mention the NCR forces you fucking fool.


I consider you to either be insane or misunderstanding of the clear danger and disruption this is to our plans.
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>>1490990
>I expected something else in all honesty.
>>1490999
>>1491000
>Crit Fail 3: Revenge of the Legion
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>>1491000
>we lost 100 robots and NCR forces.
>this is ggwpnore.

I honestly didn't want to support the legion or ncr. I'm fine with this outcome, it's a shame we lost the damn but that's life. Also we didn't lose every NCR force here, they weren't all on or down stream you idiot. The rest are coming eith us and will be radio range. I regret the loss of life but adapt and get on with it.

>>1490999
Never said it would be easy but it'd give folks a job and make'm feel like they are helping build a better future.
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>Meanwhile

"There's the explosion. It seems Vulpes has succeeded. If he weren't my best Frumentarri, I would have his face minted on a coin."

"I despise the use treachery as a weapon, it is nothing but a weapon of dishonesty."

"I would have preferred you go in there and show the NCR our legion's strength, but Vulpes has shown how useful that tool can be. After his interrogation of Benny, he traced that Yes-Man robot in the tops and figured out that House's secret army had to be more of those fucking robots of his.

He predicted that House would try to take the dam for himself. A few high explosives placed on a weak spot in the dam wall and a rush of water to the generator room, and we fry them and drown any NCR troopers inside."

"Our scouts report House's robots are running throughout the Mojave, they are. . .leaving Vegas."

"I don't fucking care what they are doing, might be House trying to flee like the coward he is, our priority is the dam and Vegas. Vulpes has opened up this bridge, now I want you to take our reserve cohort and take me that fucking city, Legatus. And don't let that bomber stop your men."

"By your will Caesar. The Legion under my command will know the price of cowardice, I will make them fear me, not pitiful bombs from the sky."

>con't
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>>1491014
Well too bad. Your conservation of our boons has lost the dam, the NCR army and potentially Vegas itself depending on if we can stop the Legion in the next few posts before they conquer everything.
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>>1491018

That's fine with me. We're moving to MY. We will be back and now we have a rally cry. Remember the strip
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>>1491014
>The rest are coming eith us and will be radio range.
>>1491011
>>1491015
>>1491018
>>1491023
So since my joke post apparently turned out correct, can we get the thugs we hired to take on the NCR to switch to the Legion instead before they win a decisive victory?
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>>1491026
Sure
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>>1490981
The Hoover Dam's Turbines were built by General Atomics, as a replacement to the original 1936 models.

As part of preparations for the impending war, they promised that the Hydroelectric Generators could be made to run even in the event of a major dam leak or if exposed due to Chinese sabotage, so that the American power grid would not go down so easily.

This of course, implied that the continuing running generators would fry both man and machine in the floods wake. Which was deemed, "an acceptable, heroic sacrifice."

The dam would then, in theory, be patched up and drained all without loss of power.

Indeed, your Brain notes there hasn't been a drop in power to the Hoover Dam. How long that will last is anyone's guess.
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>>1491023
>fine with me
That's literally the problem. You aren't taking accountability for what happens and don't seem to know what repercussions are
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>>1491041
>Not taking accountability
>The guy who rolled the 70 is at fault for the 1's

Well Oh fucking kay then.
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>Brain
"I think. . .the NCR has just been drowned at Hoover Dam. Combined with all your efforts to destroy the NCR, I predict a strong likelyhood the Legion is going to win.

I strongly suggest preparing to leave and join your people to BigMT.

If Caesar has enough forces to cross the dam successfully, he will likely take Vegas and the rest of the Mojave. I strongly do not recommend diverting any more of our Securitron forces. . .I have some fears that we will need as many of them as possible on the way to BigMT. I don't know why, its your sixth sense again.

Since you opted to leave the satellite beacon in the Bunker this will be the last time we will be able to communicate until you reach BigMT, unless you wish to abandon your convoy.

If you have any questions you want, I suggest you say them now. You may also benefit from the Lucky38's Enhanced Radio, or using the Securitrons as ad-hoc messengers. When you are ready, I will seal the Lucky 38 and put the Securitrons under your control."
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>>1491079
>Questions?
>Diplo?
>Just leave
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>>1491079
>>1491080

>Can we gather the followers and any other assets and head out within the time alloted or not?
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>>1491073
>blaming me for something I can't control
Are you high or something?

>>1491079
Is there anything we can do to turn the tide? Any weapon I had hidden away? Any plan z?
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>>1491079
>Combined with all your efforts to destroy the NCR, I predict a strong likelyhood the Legion is going to win.
>You may also benefit from the Lucky38's Enhanced Radio, or using the Securitrons as ad-hoc messengers.
>>1491080
>>1491026
>So since my joke post apparently turned out correct, can we get the thugs we hired to take on the NCR to switch to the Legion instead before they win a decisive victory?
Can we do this?
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>>1491091
>That's literally the problem. You aren't taking accountability for what happens and don't seem to know what repercussions are

Are you an idiot? You're accusing me, Somebody who only changed his vote to try and earn brownie points with the NCR. That Somehow I've been at fault for this. I knew this was going tits up and wanted us to save a boon for OURSELVES. Because as it turns out I was right and that we'll need it I can plan ahead, I can't plan for stupid rampent use of shit.

Also its lost, No more wasting resources we need to GO.
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>>1491098
This isn't just one little skirmish, this was the battle for the entire fucking Mojave and everything it contains. You know exactly what the legion is going to do with it, and yet you still let it go ahead. In fact, I am pretty sure you wanted the Double Whammy too. You apparently can't plan ahead because when you had the chance to make sure the Mojave didn't go tits up, you didn't take it.
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>>1491096
Tell me which faction(s) you want to convince, I will roll to see their response.

>>1491091
>Brain
"Hrmm, nothing that could immediately come to me. The Divide Nuclear option isn't available, and that would just destroy the Mojave. There's also the possibility of using the gas from the Sierra Madre, but that would also destroy the Mojave. Both of these options have other, lengthier problems that might need a team and resources to solve and not just you.

I'm sorry I should have more plans, but I wasn't anticipating this result."
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>>1491086
How do you wish to approach them? By Radio or by Securitron or even by yourself.
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>>1491119
How many legion do you calculate are in the Mojave now? An entire army's worth? Also, can we get on the horn with all of our allies? We need them to switch focus
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>>1491015
>Vulpes has opened up this bridge, now I want you to take our reserve cohort and take me that fucking city, Legatus. And don't let that bomber stop your men.
>>1491119
>Tell me which faction(s) you want to convince, I will roll to see their response.
Switch everyone that's taking on the NCR to take on the Legion instead, we can't let them take the Strip and all its glories within. Especially get the ones we hired to take on the NCR, because we're paying them dammit.

Anyone else we should try calling the help of? The Brotherhood of Steel, Jacobstown, The Followers of the Apocalypse?

>>1491119
>I'm sorry I should have more plans, but I wasn't anticipating this result."
We're sorry too, Brain, we thought the same.

>>1491121
>>1491130
Contact them by whichever's the fastest?
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>>1491130
"At least a thousand confirmed if House's reports are correct, maybe even several thousand."

see >>1491121
>>1491119
>Tell me which faction(s) you want to convince, I will roll to see their response.
>Tell me how you want to approach them
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>>1491116
I want the Legion to drive the NCR out. I don't want the NCR to have a foot hold anywhere and I will let towns burn to ensure that anon. Because the Legion is easy to kill, the NCR is hard. I'm looking at our future invasion. Not now.

>>1491121
>Raido, Say we're getting out, yada yada and all that. House has failed and shit like that.

>>1491137
Boomers, Followers, and anybody nearby in freeside and things like that. Nobody too far out from the strip.
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>>1491141
>wanting the legion over NCR
Like you said earlier, "I could care less for the Humane choice", but also apparently the logical one too
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>>1491137
>"At least a thousand confirmed if House's reports are correct, maybe even several thousand."
How many men do the NCR have? How much help do they need to win?
>>1491141
Ideally we cripple them both and kick them both out. If I had to pick, I'd pick the Legion with a very tenuous hold on New Vegas and having to leave shortly thereafter so we can rally against them.
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Rolled 78, 55, 39, 48 = 220 (4d100)

>>1491134
>Switch everyone that's taking on the NCR to take on the Legion instead
Rolling for!

1 The Boomers
2 The Fiends
3 The Powder Gangers
4 The Kings

(Note, these rolls are somewhat tertiary bonuses/Maluses rather than the true result, their response will more strongly affected will be their logical stance on the events that have come to pass)
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>>1491155
Tell them that the Legion will tolerate none of them in their empire
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>>1491137
>"At least a thousand confirmed if House's reports are correct, maybe even several thousand."

"What percentage of these are the recruits and what percentage are their more experienced forces?

Can you give me a number of hours until they arrive at the strip's outer defences?"


>>1491134
We could try getting the boomers to fire again on the moving army.

As to who we need to contact: literally everyone but the bandits should be told to get the fuck out. The bandits should be told what is coming and to gather at the strip for a last stand, seeing as none of us can exactly run to the NCR or anywhere else.


Get the followers and such, those we can trust and aren't skilled at combat, to lead the exodus to Big mt and the NCR border. Get as many to follow us as we can.
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>>1491149
The 'logical' choice was the one that NEVER got voted for you asshat. So I had to work with what i could.

>>1491150
Same, but we couldn't get that outcome. All we CAN do is make both sides bleed and hope its enough now.
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>>1491164
And even when you worked with what you had, you chose the worst of the two
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>>1491155
The Boomers are our highest roll, that's the most important one.
>>1491160
>>1491163
Right, unify against a common enemy.

>>1491150
>>1491155
Actually let me specify that me specify that more, I'd want the NCR to take the Dam, the Strip, and any pre-War relics, and the Legion everywhere else if I had to pick.

>>1491164
Indeed, now we pick up the pieces in a mad frenzy.
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Rolled 8 (1d100)

>>1491155
Also the followers

>>1491150
"Most of the NCR were stationed at the Dam, and in between the loss or impending loss and shelling of almost every other NCR outpost I'd predict. . .not more than a few hundred at best. Maybe 300 by count.

Sadly, these are not Spartans and you've lost your Thermopylae.

>You
[What the fuck's a Spartan and Thermopylae]
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>>1491172
>Sadly, these are not Spartans and you've lost your Thermopylae.
>>You
>[What the fuck's a Spartan and Thermopylae]
So dank.

>>1491137
>"At least a thousand confirmed if House's reports are correct, maybe even several thousand."
>>1491172
>"Most of the NCR were stationed at the Dam, and in between the loss or impending loss and shelling of almost every other NCR outpost I'd predict. . .not more than a few hundred at best. Maybe 300 by count.
Damn it, General Oliver just shot himself in the foot for this part. Okay so we really NEED to divert every force against the Legion then.
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>>1491170
>My opinion is better, therefore you are wrong.

Fuck off. We need to get out now, Everything is on fire. Stop crying over spilled milk and accept alot of people are dead and only more will die.

>>1491172
And the followers are staying, Well I hope to god they understand that there is NOTHING stopping the legion from coming. one of the few that matter.
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>>1491182
It's more realistically they are trying to save everyone in freeside. Which considering the state of many of them is difficult.
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>>1491182
It's not an opinion in the least, unless it's my opinion that it is best that we save the lives of as many as possible and that we preserve the infrastructure

>>1491172
Have them all head to McCarran. It is the best place suited for this. We will send any other forces we have there too
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>>1491172
>>1491180
Damn it, I don't think this is enough.
Oh wait. Can we also convince the ones that are taking on the Strip, the House and elsewhere to unify against the Legion? Say convince the Omertas before they keep gassing the place?
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>>1491191
Yeah. But I want to have 1 Securotron contact the boomers, so we can call in artillery strikes precisely on the Legion.
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Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>1491196
Rolling for the Omertas
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>>1491200
That's fine, we can send a few out as long as everything consolidates at McCarran. Maybe we should even go and have our group leave. We can teleport when we want
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>>1491203
>Rolled 89 (1d100)
>>1491155
>Rolled 78, 55, 39, 48 = 220 (4d100)
>>1491172
>Rolled 8 (1d100)
>TFW we roll to convince the Omertas better than everyone else.
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>>1491191
It is, When you were arguing earlier about how the Legion are the bad guys, When they have the safest lands to travel
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>Boomers
>DC: easy

With the Lucky 38's Radio Tower up, you're able to contact the Boomers. You inform them that the Legion may win, and this is bad for them, and suggest turning their guns from the NCR to them.

Boomer: "It's difficult for us to hit moving targets instead of static targets, we can more easily strike at them if we know they are going to be in a predictable place.

If they are going to mass in Vegas, we could Shell Vegas instead? Otherwise we'll reserve our ammunition for when they arrive."

CHOOSE:
>Tell them to shell Vegas, better to destroy than let it fall into the Legion's hands
>Prepare to defend yourself

>con't
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>>1491216
By crucifying and enslaving anyone who stands in their way. It's a matter of morals, and you already said you don't care for them
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>>1491206
That would be the trolliest thing ever:

>Everyone but us dead, we are missing our new arm and both our legs are broken.
>Ceaser stands before us and lectures us, pulls out a pistol to shoot us in the head.
>We press the button and disappear.
>He shits himself wondering where we went.
>Legion loses faith in him, seeing our "magic" abilities.

>>1491216
Because they killed literally everyone that opposed them.
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>>1491226
KEK
>>1491224
>Prepare to defend yourself
But then hit targets around McCarran that will be relayed to you
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>>1491224
>>Prepare to defend yourself
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>>1491224
>>Prepare to defend yourself
We aren't destroying Vegas, we already made the mistake with attacking civilians once, we aren't going to make that again.
That reminds me, tell them to avoid civilian targets like refugee camps, whether the slaves are housed, and to mark them specifically for them.

>>1491155
>1 The Boomers
>2 The Fiends
>3 The Powder Gangers
>4 The Kings
>>1491172
>Also the followers
>>1491203
>Rolling for the Omertas
How many factions are fighting right now that we haven't rolled to take on the Legion yet? We need to get everyone we can get to take them on before the Mojave gets steamrolled.

>>1491216
>It is, When you were arguing earlier about how the Legion are the bad guys, When they have the safest lands to travel
>When they have the safest lands to travel
That's because everyone else is dead.
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>>1491224
"Wait for my signal, I'll give you a grid reference to hit or something. If however they get to you before hand, then save your shells for that.

If either of us don't make it out of here, it was great fighting alongside you. May your aim be true and your hands fast."
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>>1491224
>Prepare to defend yourself

>>1491225
Yes and NOW you moved the goalpost to loss of infrastructure and things of that nature.

>>1491226
>>1491230
And it guess the result was? Really safe lands and things of that nature. I really do wish the Legion DLC or cut content had been made. Would've been nice to see them more indepth.
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>>1491234
No, my point was always about keeping the Mojave intact, and with that came the moral dilemmas too
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>>1491234
I don't disagree that the Legion created a peaceful region. On the other hand, they destroyed entire societies and cultures before throwing the children and women either into slavery or into conversion programs to make them devout believers in the Legion culture.
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>>1491237
You made it out to be more a moral dilemma then anything else.

>>1491242
If it works on savages in a wasteland, It works. I truly can't fault Ceaser because we lack so much information on the early years of the formation and how the lands are ran. besides for some tad bits.
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>>1491234
>And it guess the result was? Really safe lands and things of that nature. I really do wish the Legion DLC or cut content had been made. Would've been nice to see them more indepth.
>Really safe lands and things of that nature.
You could say the same if we just bombed everyone and built from scratch, because nobody else is alive. It's more difficult specifically because we're taking more risks to salvage the situation.

>>1491224
>>1491230
>>1491232
Add onto this that aside from avoiding the civilian targets and infrastructure, we'll try giving them coordinates when they aren't attacking targets of opportunity.
If we can, get them to bomb vital Legion areas, like wherever Caesar is. Maybe spare the Legate because we need a Legion scapegoat for them to claw themselves apart under.
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>>1491249
Well I am sorry you saw it that way
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>>1491251
Too be fair, This could've been done alot more differnet but we're here and now gotta do what we can to bleed'em both.
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>>1491096
>>1491134
>>1491150
>>1491196
>>1491230
>>1491251
>>1491260
>Too be fair, This could've been done alot more differnet but we're here and now gotta do what we can to bleed'em both.
Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. Responding to your posts about how much we want to destroy the place is secondary to coming up with whatever I can on the spot.
It's already worked pretty well so far for suggesting we get the other factions to hop against the legion.
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>>1491270
Which is why I suggested we consolidate at McCaraan our forces to give the biggest finger to the legion we can
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>>1491224
QM how is our standing with Ceaser? Can we go talk to him and ask for permission to lead our 'flock' or w.e. out of the area so to avoid blood shed if we're good with him?

>>1491270
>>1491273

Honestly, we need to grab who and what we can at a rally point ALONG the way out. And shell the way behind us or make sure being followed is impossible. NCR should be left behind as bait to draw the Legion away.
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>>1491224
>>1491206
>>1491228
>>1491273
Why Camp McCarran, specifically? Wouldn't it be better to attack everywhere at once to stretch their forces thin and hopefully outmaneuver them?

>>1491283
>Honestly, we need to grab who and what we can at a rally point ALONG the way out. And shell the way behind us or make sure being followed is impossible. NCR should be left behind as bait to draw the Legion away.
I'll go with this if we can't try whatever plan to turn the tides against the Legion.
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>The Fiends
>DC:hard

The Fiends have to be contacted by Securitron, Niner's not responding to his communicator, probably due to it having broken again.

The scene at Camp Mcarran is a grisly one. Here the Boomers struck hardest, knowing that the place was the NCR's main outpost west of the dam as well as an Airport from which aircraft might be use against them, and so several bombing runs and artillery strikes were made on the place.

Weakened, and in shock, the fiends moved in and with he help of Niner, Vincent Vincent, Cyan, and Mellisa overran the place.

Several fiends are torturing, raping, or executing survivors, sticking heads on pike, getting drunk or high on chems, and reveling in victory.

>Cyan
"You like the sight of your own blood!"

>Vincent Vincent
"Yeah fucking NCR bitch take my cock."

>Mellisa
"This is for Bitter Springs, asshole!"

The Securitron approaches Niner, showing your face. He's sitting on Colonel Shu's corpse, wearing his NCR beret and sitting around a fire drinking and singing with other Fiends opening up NCR rations and goodies.

"Oh shit, Six! *hic* the fuck did you become a robot?"

You inform him of the situation at the dam, and that you want them to fight the Legion when the time arrives.

Fiend: "Fight the Legion? Fuck that shit, the Legion are gonna welcome us after we took fucking Mcarran for em"

Fiend: "Fuck no I ain't gonna get hung up on a telephone pole to bleed to death."

Niner: "Oi. . .*hic* . . shit, six I think you should Ix-nay on the Egion-Lay fight my man. (whisper) I think they'd shoot me before the Legion"

Niner says the Fiends are definitely not going to go up against the Legion, they've already been bloodied by one fight. They're also a bit scared of the Legion. Ask them something else.

>Niner get whoever you can count as loyal and get the hell out of there
>Attack the fiends with the Securitron
>Other?
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>>1491283
Nah

>>1491288
The legion has too much numerical superiority, so it wouldn't be as efficient if we made them attack at one point. Also, the other Anon is a Legion blowhard so I wouldn't take what he says to heart too much
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>>1491288
We're out numbered and out gunned. We honestly would lose in any straight up fight and the Legion is better at the whole Cheeki Breeki shit anyway. We gotta bail.

>>1491292

>Tell him what happens to those who join the legion, even if they help. That drugs are outlawed and all that shit.

If that doesn't work, Wish'em well and get out.
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>>1491292
>>Niner get whoever you can count as loyal and get the hell out of there
Well fuck, so then is New Vegas our fall back position now?
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>>1491292
>>Other?
What if we tell them of the other factions we're trying to convince against the Legion? We're going for a sort of unified against a common enemy front here.

Thanks to the folks who were discussing primary and contingency plans earlier, I'm running off of some of them for some of the suggestions I'm making.
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>>1491292
"Niner you are a smart guy so I will lay it out clear and simple:

Ceaser will be dead in a few years of cancer, don't ask me how I know this, I almost ended up fixing his auto-doc so he wouldn't die but that is besides the point.

As you know from bandit groups, without a charismatic leader or anything of the sort they group falls to infighting. Once he is gone the Legion is going to fall like a house of cards and you don't want to be caught in the middle.

This is assuming you survive the fighting against the NCR and that you can take the fact you can't have any drugs in your stride.

Also, women aren't allowed to fight or anything and I imagine Cyan and such won't like that.


So I'll say again, get who ever is loyal and willing and report to me please. I will make it worth your time and you know it."
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>>1491330
We shouldn't just leave though, we need to punch the legion as hard as we can. Have our guys leave, but we will stay to fight until the last minute when we teleport away
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>>1491292
>>1491180
>>1491172
>>1491293
>>1491304
If we got every faction in the Mojave against the Legion, how many men and weapons would we have?
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Why are we working alongside the fiends? wasn't the plan to get rid of them once they have exhausted themselves?
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>>1491292
>>1491343
They're being led by one of our companions now, if you're wondering. We're still planning on having their lives as low priority, don't tell them that part though.
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>>1491343
That was the original plan but then everything went balls up
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>3 The Powder Gangers
The NCR Correctional facility is mostly empty, so your Securitron heads to Primm. Like Camp McCarran, the place is a bloodbath of both NCR lawmen and the Citizens of Primm. Poor Johnathan Nash is one of the first casualties you encounter, and the the Viki and Vance Casino is another site of rape and carnage.

Eddie and Samuel Cooke, two leaders of two separate Powder Gangs, are drinking a toast and celebrating the find and reconcilling their differences.

When you ask them to fight the Legion, they flatly refuse.

"No fuck off."

>Attack
>Leave them be
>Other?
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>>1491343
Everything is on fire. Thats literally the answer.

>>1491342
Not enough.

>>1491354
>Leave them be

We can't risk the bot.
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>>1491354
>When you ask them to fight the Legion, they flatly refuse.
>"No fuck off."
Kek.

>>1491352
>>1491359
>inb4 we make a Faustian bargain.
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>>1491354
>Other?
Tell them the same deal that the Legion won't tolerate any gangs and you will all be crucified. Remember Nipton?
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>>1491293
>>1491304
>>1491305
>>1491308
You guys are mostly correct, we are horribly outnumbered but not outgunned:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Dixon_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Gloria_Van_Graff
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mick_%26_Ralph%27s
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mister_Holdout

These are all the weapons and drug merchants in NV. Adding in our own stocks of weapons we must have stored in our suite in the Lucky 38, whatever we can salvage from the dead NCR and such lying around and any reinforcements we might hold out.

However this is assuming we can rally enough forces to our side and that the upper limit of the estimated number of legion coming our way is not accurate. Even half of that could be too much but we must try.

>>1491338
We aren't just leaving, we are getting what few Fiends are loyal and those companions to come to us and reinforce our defence at either camp McCarran or NV.

>>1491342
We might have enough, assuming we can get them high on combat drugs and get a weapon in every hand. Plus using land mines and defences to reduce the enemy numbers and their ability to make use of them.

>>1491343
That was the plan, aye. Though I don't know if you have noticed everything is a little off of the mapped path we wanted.

>>1491354
"Then you should be aware that the Legion will come for you too. Stand with us and fight, run or surrender. It all leads to death but at least together a few of us might live.

Failing that, I don't suppose we could have some dynamite?"
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>>1491372
Supporting.

Not that we should tolerate gangs either, but at least they can get themselves killed for our cause this way.
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>>1491377
>Defending McCarran or NV.

Wut, No we are leaving. Its all over at this point. If we can't convince the others to help, We can't save the day.
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>>1491377
Alright, then I agree. Lets have the courier gather up LITERALLY everyone we can and warn them of the Legion. We could still halt their advance, also look what I put here >>1491372
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>>1491292
>>1491354
>>1491330
>>1491308
>>1491304
>>1491377
Going this these dialogue options to convince them. Bring up all the cases we can get, we need every man we can get.
>>1491377
So it's time for a unified front then. It's time for the Great Mojave War.
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>>1491384
>Wut, No we are leaving.
Our companions and such are. We can transportalponder out if we fail.

>Its all over at this point.
Not until the last bullet leaves the last gun and the last man falls.

>If we can't convince the others to help,
We are working on it.

>We can't save the day.
But we can try.
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>The Kings
The Kings, unfortunately, shoot your Securitron on site. They didn't really like the NCR or House in the first place. You hear them yell these words at your robot as they plink bullets at it

"You killed him! You fuckers killed him!

The King is Dead.

Long live The King!"
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>>1491390
One moment I have songs for this...
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>>1491394
>it's ands and butts.
We shouldn't have our face shown working with the sections and those are leaving to protect our people. We can't win this ourselves and 3 have said no.
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>>1491412
Show the 3 then, because I have seen more saying yes
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>>1491397
>>1491354
>>1491292
I guess these aren't No's as they stand >>1491417
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>>1491354
>>1491412
>>1491417
I don't think we made a vote to defend New Vegas, more of a vote to make a fighting retreat and consolidate everyone else to either do the same or make a last stand if they aren't willing to. Depending on whether we actually rally enough assets to turn the tides or not.
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>>1491397
"Did we? Sorry, Courier speaking! Could you stop shooting for a moment!

The Legion won at the dam and are coming to kill everyone, we are gathering support for one last stand. Should I put you down as a no-show or will you be in attendance?"


>>1491412
We aren't trying to win.

All these people die with or without our help: all I am trying to do is bleed the Legion as much as possible and maybe, just maybe these people can survive.

This is my "operation enduring victory", their phyric victory and our best plan.
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>>1491432
Who knows, there might be a miracle
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>>1491432
Let them stay spread out if they say no, It'll be harder for the legion to mop up and if we put'em all in one spot. They'll be easier to kill. Also don't say its the bloody Courier, We're pretending to be Mr. House.

>>1491438
Yes, Like those 1's we had right?
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>>1491354
>>1491432
>>1491443
Don't the Kings hate us as the Courier?

>>1491438
>Who knows, there might be a miracle
The Lone Wanderer swoops from above in his UFO?
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>>1491443
I mean it was a miracle for the Legion. Besides, one more 1 and we get a 100, so...

>>1491451
I'm thinking a couple good mininukes and some heroics. I mean with everything we ever gathered all over the map, we should have a few fun toys
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>>1491463
>betting on shitty rolls.
Ehhh.

Also we should fire those behind us as we go and shit not wast'em in a place that's lost.
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>>1491463
>we should have a few fun toys
Think we could get the Giddyup Buttercup in on this?
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>>1491463
>>1491473
If we all tried rolling the next time a pivotal roll happens in this thread, we could get either crit.
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>>1491438
I gave up on miracles a long time ago. The dice god's are too fickle for miracles...


You know, this reminds me of Tundra quest. We had so many different times like this: shit luck that put us in positions where victory seemed impossible. From having most of our empire nuked to the last conflict's conclusion.

Yet even there, we found victory for us and our allies, no matter the cost. I can feel that old force here and I think we can pull a similar feat. If only to bleed the Legion.


Now some music, to set the mood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fA&index=112&list=PLmYEo0MmhoXoYzc11hUXGzv7X77ys5wP-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgVWJkc5gXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys&list=PLmYEo0MmhoXoYzc11hUXGzv7X77ys5wP-&index=54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAp5gAYDUQ&list=PLmYEo0MmhoXoYzc11hUXGzv7X77ys5wP-&index=8

And this just because I have it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY&list=PLmYEo0MmhoXoYzc11hUXGzv7X77ys5wP-&index=33
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>>1491432
>>1491451
Do you want to publicly reveal yourself as the Courier in control of the Securitrons?

>Confirm/No
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>>1491473
I''m not betting on shitty rolls, I am saying IF we got a one, we would be fine. We should hope for high rolls. We need all the help we can get.

Your constant Legionshilling is getting tiring Anon

>>1491474
That would be nice if we could reprogram it

>>1491490
Then we kill as Heroes Anon

>>1491491
Yes
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>>1491491
NO
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>>1491491
Nope, just imply that House is letting us speak through the Securitrons because he knows we have better rapport with most people.
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>>1491491
No. We voted to pretend to be house earlier. I'm not changing our plans suddenly because everybody wishes to freak out.
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>>1491491
>>1491501
2nding. He's letting us use his radio because he needs someone who can get the Legion to stop busting down his Strip.
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>>1491505
My Id changed again.
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>The Followers
Old Mormont fort looks like its under siege by Ghouls, but these are not Ghouls but mobs of people of every kind. NCR soldiers with missing limbs or hacking up from poisoned gas, bearing stretchers and wounded. Freeside citizens by the droves. Wounded Kings. The crowd and mob the fortress gates, begging for help, bleeding and dying.

Your robot manages to press its way through to see the whole Fort absolutely packed and busy, a few NCR troopers desperate to keep the mob away.

They are in no mood to fight, so you look for their leaders, Julie Farkas or Arcade finding them both.

Arcade is there, and fuming, at your message.

>Arcade
"Let's see, help the man who convinced the Boomers to bomb everybody at will, unleashes total chaos on the Mojave, and works with Fiends and Powder Gangers? How about no. I'm done with that."

>Farkas
"We're in no position to fight or even help you at this point, we're in desperate need of help. If what you say is true and the Legion are coming, we're in need of an evacuation as well. Please, regardless of whatever you might have done, help us. Arcade says you were planning on evacuating Cottonwood Cove, can you evacuate us here too?"

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>Brain
"Bad idea. It poses major logistical constrains and risks, especially if you plan to bring this entire crowd. I had not anticipated you bringing this many people and wounded when preparing a supply quota, your convoy will be hand-to-mouth if you do this."

>Help Evacuate Them
>Tell them their on their own
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>>1491525
If you can move your wounded to the NV, you can join the defense there. That is where the all medicine I can spare is at. I can't feasibly transport these wounded even if I wanted
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>>1491525
>"Bad idea. It poses major logistical constrains and risks, especially if you plan to bring this entire crowd. I had not anticipated you bringing this many people and wounded when preparing a supply quota, your convoy will be hand-to-mouth if you do this."
How many supplies does Old Mormont Fort and everyone else we want to bring with us have if we pool together our resources for the evacuation?

>>1491491
>>1491525
We didn't reveal our control to the Kings, did we?
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>>1491534
Old Mormon Fort is in NV, technically Freeside.

>Brain
"Well . . .I can get more Rail Cars. We can transport them but food, medicine, etc. is going to be a major problem."
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>>1491525
>Help Evacuate Them

>>1491534
Anon the strip is on fire still, We need to LEAVE. We are gonna be overran. Stop trying to act like we have a fall point in this reigion.

I hate Legion, NCR and Yes man. I'm an Enclave fag.

>>1491537
No, We're not reveling ourselves to anybody. That goes against the WHOLE point of our post vote to pretend we're Mr. house.
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>>1491537
Total supplies will be tallied based on the number of factions you convince.

Gonna start replying to other dialogue.
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>>1491539
We can have them sent to the Strip and we can spare any extras we have. We can send 10 Securitrons carrying as much as possible here

>>1491544
The Strip isn't too bad, a lot better than McCarann
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>>1491525
>"Let's see, help the man who convinced the Boomers to bomb everybody at will, unleashes total chaos on the Mojave, and works with Fiends and Powder Gangers? How about no. I'm done with that."
We should clarify we didn't intend for them to attack civilians and their infrastructure, only military targets. The rest was us suffering from our hubris and neglecting to check over our plans and confirming with the rest of our companions for collateral damage.

>>1491544
>No, We're not reveling ourselves to anybody. That goes against the WHOLE point of our post vote to pretend we're Mr. house.
Calm down, mate. I was asking the QM to make sure we didn't.

>>1491545
>>1491525
So who haven't we revealed ourselves as the Courier to yet?
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>>1491525
>help get them out with the rest of us
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>>1491548
>Moving people we need to get OUT of the area, deeper into it while the Legion is spreading like wild fire.

Do you ever think ahead? Or do you want to have them killed enmass? if we're gonna help them, We do it properly.

>>1491554
My bad.
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>>1491559
>Do you even think ahead
Kek you're the one to talk Anon
Also, none of our people are going for the defense, just us
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>>1491548
>Brain
"Is that the same strip currently covered in Chlorine Gas"

Oh that reminds me, the Omertas.

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>Omertas
The Omertas, seeing Mr. House's robots, do not shoot but stay guarded in their casino's, having successfully taken over all three.

"Ha! Come to tell us to defend your city House? When Caesar Comes here, we'll be the ones to decide the fate of Vegas, not you!"

You don't have many securitrons in Vegass atm, you might not be able to kill them all, but you think you can kill a lot of them or at least cause some major damage.
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>>1491562
>moving the people outside the strip
>into the strip
>That place we're not gonna be able to keep and is still a gang war between the 3 or 4 casinos.

Ya no, Totally. You think ahead. ya are the smartest in this world. OH WAIT whats this? >>1491563 I'm right?

>>1491563
Just withdraw and lock up after getting stuff. We gotta bail or atleast stall as best we can lucky 38
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>>1491525
"We can't. The place we are falling back to doesn't have enough to support such a mass of people. I mean, even taking your people would almost double our logistical difficulties. We can offer to take certain people. Those who are only superficially injured and those with useful skills. Possibly the children as well."


"Arcade. I entirely respect your position, this shit is bad. I didn't realise it would fall apart like this and to be honest if you want to hate me that is fine. I didn't expect the boomers to be so trigger happy, I've reined them in a bit but that is as much as I can do at the moment.

As to the people I work with. I know which ones can be redeemed and which ones are expendable.

The gangers and Fiends? Expendables, a good way to weaken my enemies and to bring about my rise. Had I known that they would cause such difficulty I would've been more precise and careful, I would've had supervisors make sure they never went after civilians and such.

You have to understand, my plans were rushed and I didn't get things set up. I only had these plans in place for a few seconds before the battle began. There was no time for fine-tuning or testing or confirmation or anything.

Also, before you ask, the gas weapon / bomb wasn't me. That was someone else and I am entirely serious when I say that is below even me.


I am going to go and fight the legion. I am going to go and lead the best and worst of this wasteland against a huge threat. At the end of it, we can have this fight but for now I need to know if I can count on you to defend these people?"
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>>1491566
I would have thought the Chlorine gas would have dissipated. It definitely isn't in the same strenth as it was

Anon you are getting very violent and rude. Remember that it is just a game
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>>1491563
>withdraw and lock up to our own building with house in it.
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>>1491559
>My bad.
It's fine.

>>1491563
>>1491577
So if the gangs don't try joining us, should we just leave them to their fates against the Legion?
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>>1491587
Yeah, they'll learn the hard way
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>>1491587
They made their beds if they don't join us.

I do hope we can get Arcade back on our side however, even if he continues to hate us.
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>>1491578
Nope.

You're going to get our assets and people killed with how you act and think. Not including you have been acting like YOUR plans are working out and that I'm just wanting the legion to win. So too fucking bad. I'm in this for as much of our assets and people to get out. This is a LOST cause, accept it and get to it.

>>1491587
If they refuse, Leav'em to die. Its simple as that. The Legion will atleast be slowed down by them.
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>>1491577
Arcade's face turns from an annoyed frown to a grimace.

"I didn't ask if you were responsible for the gas attack, even I didn't imagine you capable of it. But since you were very adamant to go out of your way to tell me you weren't responsible for it, I'm going to draw my own conclusions on that."
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>>1491577
>>1491598
Oh my fucking god, tell Arcade to shut up, Stop being gay and stop the bleeding on that other guy and get them ready to go.
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>>1491597
I just find it funny that you caused this problem in the first place with you deciding not to use the boon, so I am glad you brought that up. I have never said my plans will work, but I am giving a lot more of an effort than you are, as you seemingly don't want to put up a defense against the legion, so I made a logical conclusion between you and the Legion. As for lost cause, it kinda depends on the definition. There are other Anon's who are ready to fight
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>>1491598
"Seeing as you were blaming me for the chaos, I thought you meant that. Sorry for the conclusion I made about what you thought but it's a bit beyond me to use that sort of weapon. Too indiscriminate and unpredictable, not to mention inefficient: you can outrun the gas if you are smart.

I would point out however that you shouldn't assume I would use a weapon which pre-war was a literal fucking crime. Seriously, the fuck man? I know I use a lot of fucked up shit but even I have my limits."
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>>1491305
>>1491377
Niner: "Hmm Six I might be able to scare them from the Legion if they hear the Legion bans drugs and ladies.

Alright, I think this will work. Especially if I can tell em you'll let us use all the booze and chems we want."

CHOOSE:
>Recruit the Fiends on your journey out, tell them to bring their big stash of chems and any NCR loot and weapons they can
>Tell Six you only want your loyal companions, abandon the fiends
>No I change my mind stay right where you are
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>>1491563
>>1490773
>>1490840
>>1490981
>>1491615
Just so you know, my vote to not use the boon was in the context of losing a conventional Battle of Hoover Dam, not having them destroy it and flood the entire place. Nor was I aware of how much of a difference in forces the Legion had against everyone else had by the time we checked up.
Osdd6x0N's was done with the understanding that the forces were equal enough that they'd both be leaving or severely crippled at it, not the Legion being fresh with a few thousand for another round, from the looks of it.
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>>1491634
>Recruit the Fiends on your journey out, tell them to bring their big stash of chems and any NCR loot and weapons they can


Gentlemen, meet the front-line of our defence. Behind these we place the powder gangers, assuming they come and behind them everyone else and our companions, including Niner.
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>>1491634
Journey out? I thought the fiends were going to help hold off the legion at our defense point? If that's the case

>Recruit the Fiends on your journey out, tell them to bring their big stash of chems and any NCR loot and weapons they can
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>>1491615
>This guy didn't use a boon on the critfails. Therefore its his fault this entire thing has happened.

I'm sorry Anon, but first of all. You're fucking stupid moron. Like honest to god stupid, should not breed at all. Now let me explain to you in PROPER military logic as to why defending against the Legion who OUTNUMBERS us is a bad idea. I'll even make it simple.

>Road to MT.
Unsecured, Long travel time and we'll be bringing more then we attended. One slip up on this trip and ALOT of people die. We need all the guards and guns we can spare.

>Securing MT.
We need every hard we currently have to either purge the hell monsters that exist and then start farming/producing clothing/repairing stuff.

Now unlike you I can see a lost cause. The Legion is GOING to take Mojave. We are not getting enough guns and bodies. I wish we could've held, I really do. But we can't and I'm not letting you throw OUR peoples lives to there death for something we can't hold and has NO value anymore.

If saving the lives of as many of OUR peoples lives as possible makes me a Legionfag So be it. You moron.

>>1491632
HIs a moody little faggot. His gonna see you as worse.

>>1491634
>No I change my mind stay right where you are

He can stall them for us. By dying.

>>1491637
I didn't expect it, And I didn't expect them to destory the damn in any fashion. I didn't think Nat 1's would've gotten that.
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>>1491634
>leave them to die

More people left behind causing trouble for the legion. Better for us.
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>>1491649
>I'm sorry Anon, but first of all. You're fucking stupid moron. Like honest to god stupid
Why should I even read past this point? If you can't keep your patience, then your post isn't going to consist of anything of substance anyway
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>>1491649
Actually, it is quite possible we could hold. I mean, losses will be high but it is a definite possibility.
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>>1491634
>>Recruit the Fiends on your journey out, tell them to bring their big stash of chems and any NCR loot and weapons they can
>>1491640
>>1491646
Time for an exodus through potentially thousands of Legion forces hounding our ass.

>>1491649
>I didn't expect it, And I didn't expect them to destory the damn in any fashion. I didn't think Nat 1's would've gotten that.
Me neither, but I guess I should've expected from how a crit fail got us the Battle for Cottonwood Cove, a Zetan Mothership crashing into the shields, and a bunch of BigMT experiments escaping out into NCR territory.
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>>1491640
>>1491646
2 for bring the Fiends with us

>>1491656
>>1491649
2 for leave Companions + Fiends at Fort
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>>1491656
>>1491649
He is a companion and we need them. At the very least we should get him and his two girls to come with us. Seeing as they are all companions.
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>>1491662
>>1491665
Make that 3 for bring fiends with us. Will be locked unless any more objection votes.
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>>1491634
>Tell Six you only want your loyal companions, abandon the fiends
let the fiends stay, and be a thorn in the legion's side.

>>1491598
Arcade, now is not the time for this discussion. The legion is coming and when they do, they will rape and slaughter and enslave everyone in the fort. I want to save lives. Come with us at least out of the mojave. You have an obligation to these patients to ensure their safety, and you won't be doing that in the fort.
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>>1491634
>>1491662
>>1491661
So what I do know of is we got 500 Mk2 Securitrons, roughly 100 members from Cottonwood Cove, nearly 300 NCR soldiers, the Boomers, and anyone else fighting against potentially thousands of Legion soldiers.
If we want to deter the Legion, we're going to need to bring out some big guns, or drop some chemical weapons on only their military forces, assets, and bases.
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>>1491672
Taking them with us to the defense?
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>>1491679
Defense where? Clarify that plan.
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>>1491672
>>1491679
Yeah, they're going to help escort the convoy before the Legion decides to raze and pillage us too.
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>>1491660
>Why should I read a reply, After all only I can be a smug insulting little cunt.

>>1491661
Red, This is throwing resources down a hole. Leave them to die and stall.

>>1491662
This sucks.
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>>1491673
i'm also okay with leaving all the fiends and fiend adjacents.
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>>1491685
We're leaving. There is no defense. The Strip is gassed, The Legion is coming. Gather our forces we're we can and head out on the treak. They will get us killed.
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>>1491685
We are gathering our people and heading out for MT.
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>>1491688
>I am the one insulting when you called me a
"I'm sorry Anon, but first of all. You're fucking stupid moron. Like honest to god stupid"
>cunt
Hmmmmmmm

>>1491685
We would be pulling every resource we could to the Mojave Outpost as every other place is fucked. Our citizens and most companions would leave though while we defend

Me and a few other Anons wanted it, so we might have to vote
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>>1491697
The Mojave outpost is on your way to BigMT for sure, I'll give you options for what you want to do from there once all faction recruitment options are decided upon.

Of note, you also know it was shelled.
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>>1491678
Those 500 Mk2 Securitrons and 100 members from Cottonwood Cove are our convoy, which already left.

As to bringing out the big guns, I already gave a list of every merchant with a large supply of combat drugs, weapons and armour in the NV area.


>>1491688
>>1491691
I disagree, besides companions and such this is entirely so shit we never had.


Personally I would tell our companions to take everyone they can with useful skills to meet up with the convoy while we bleed and slow the Legion before Transportalpondering to the Big mt facility.


>>1491694
Our people are already on their way all that is left is us and a few companions.
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>>1491662
>>1491688
>This sucks.
Well, more specifically each took 1 crit fail, except for the BigMT escape, which took 2 crit fails. I think we also got another crit fail which made us lose our arm when we were fighting in the Zetan Mothership.

>>1491685
>>1491662
>>1491694
Yeah let's go, shit's fucked and I don't want to risk any more survivors than we can against odds like these.

>>1491704
>Of note, you also know it was shelled.
So that makes the Mojave Outpost a no-go then. Let's pick up any survivors we can on the Mojave Exodus.

>>1491377
>>1491707
>As to bringing out the big guns, I already gave a list of every merchant with a large supply of combat drugs, weapons and armour in the NV area.
I'm talking about artillery like what the Boomers got.

>>1491707
>Those 500 Mk2 Securitrons and 100 members from Cottonwood Cove are our convoy, which already left.
Yeah, I was referring to total forces we could muster by number. Since we don't have any real estimates for how much all the other factions have.
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>>1491697
>Accuses people of being at fault for something they didn't cause.
>Accuses them of supporting a faction that they do NOT actually support
>Moves the goal post from morality to infrastructure
>Accuses the other for the inability to think ahead while being short sighted.

When you come up with a real reply. please answer, Until then. Be silent or kill yourself senpai.

>>1491707
We need to be there to escort our people on the way to MT. Because otherwises they can run some shit only we know about and lose a lot of men to it. If you want to do a fighting retreat. Have us be on one of the last things out and mine the route behind us.
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>>1491720
>I'm talking about artillery like what the Boomers got.
We've got them over the radio, ready to bomb at a moments notice.

>So that makes the Mojave Outpost a no-go then. Let's pick up any survivors we can on the Mojave Exodus.
That may be wise.
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>Fiends
2 for leave Companions + Fiends at Fort
1 for bring companions only
3 for bring the (all) the Fiends with us [LOCKED]

Now for the other factions.
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>>1491723
>kill yourself
>senpai
Anon, you're really digging yourself into a hole here. If you would have been civilized, we could have gotten somewhere probably. Now...
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>>1491634
>>1491707
>>1491723
This talk about our convoy escort reminds me, we told the Chinese to stay behind with their tank. Knowing how much the Legion has now, we should ask them to come help escort us and send a Securitron to give directions.

>>1491729
>We've got them over the radio, ready to bomb at a moments notice.
Won't be enough to turn the tides, I'd think. It'd be enough to buy us some serious time though.
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>>1491729
We don't know how how shelled it is. It could be minor damage, and enough for a good defense

>>1491740
Who knows, if we have a good bottleneck, we could really fuck over the legion
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>>1491723
>We need to be there to escort our people on the way to MT. Because otherwises they can run some shit only we know about and lose a lot of men to it.
They have Brain for information and he has the Securotrons.

>If you want to do a fighting retreat. Have us be on one of the last things out and mine the route behind us.
That is generally what I am talking about. We get every shmuck with a gun, point them at the Legion and then take ourselves and everyone we like and run the other way. Like our companions or anyone with useful skills.
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>Boomers

>>1491228
>>1491229
>>1491230
>>1491232
>>1491234
>Prepare to Defend yourselves + "I've got some coordinates"

[LOCKED]
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>>1491750
>>1491172
>Sadly, these are not Spartans and you've lost your Thermopylae.
>>1491744
>Who knows, if we have a good bottleneck, we could really fuck over the legion
I don't think now's the time to follow what an Oracle says, anon.
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>>1491737
Oh so you can only read green text, Lol or do you just not wish to have a proper conversation because you know you'll be unable to reply with a proper answer. After all, You proved it twice and could only reply properly to the green text.

>>1491740
I'd suggest we keep the tank inside for now, and working on clearing the passage way.

>>1491746
Thats not what a fighting retreat is though. If we are on the ass of our convy heading out and keeping it safe. That is fine, but staying in the mojave to fight the legion in ANY fashion is bad news and will cost us more then we gain.
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>>1491758
Again, not us that is staying behind to fight. Just the shmucks. Like the Fiends, NCR and so on.
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>>1491755
Have you seen the pass? It's extremely narrow and tigt. Attacking would be a nightmare

>>1491758
I tried to give an argument and you plain out insulted me. That's not a good argument at all Anon
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>>1491769
Ah, So we're using them as bait. I got ya then. However I would't suggest gathering them in 1 place. Too easy for the Legions overwhemling numbers to factor in. We should spread'em out.

>>1491773
>Refused to read because Muh feels were hurt.
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>>1491773
>Have you seen the pass? It's extremely narrow and tigt. Attacking would be a nightmare
>It's extremely narrow and tigt.
>Attacking would be a nightmare
I like your pass, anon.

But seriously, which pass are we going to try making a defense in? The railway that we're clearing out? If so, yeah, we can make a defense there and fuck over any Legion that tries following us to BigMT.
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>>1491776
Nah, see it's easier to convince them to stand together, in the nice big easy to defend city with walls than all over the place.


Especially since the city is a great place for land mines, which we should have plenty of between us and the traders and such.
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>>1491776
No it's because if you can't stop yourself from resulting to insults rather than an actual debate like >>1491769 and I have, then you obviously can't debate.

>>1491781
If it isn't too damaged, the Mojave Outpost Pass
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>>1491781
No, he is talking about that one NCR base at the edge of the map, that apparently leads into their lands.
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>>1491788
>>1491789
Wait, how are we going to make sure they don't attack us once we head into NCR territory then?
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>>1491793
They still have to Secure the Mojave. They won't have the troops or supplies to stretch much further
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>>1491793
They will be busy attacking the NCR? That and they have to stop marching eventually.
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>>1491793
>>1491798
>>1491803
Both the NCR and the Legion, I mean. Also any of the escaped BigMT experiments.
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>>1491372
>Eddie
"That might have been so, House, were it not for our good friend the Courier."

>Samuel Cooke
"He convinced the Powder Gangers in the NCR Correctional Facility and at Vault 19 to ally with the Great Khan's."

>Eddie
"We're one big unified front against the NCR now, attacking them from the back while the Legion stabs em from the front. Great guy the Courier."

>Samuel Cooke
"Now that we've taken Primm, we're joining up with the Khans. Caesar's already allies with em, and so we'll have a friend to put in good word with us to join Caesars legion as well."

The Powder Gangers refuse to help.
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>>1491805
RIP.
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>>1491786
It shouldn't matter what is easier. They don't agree, they die anyway. We need the Legion to spend as much time cleaning up and securing as possible

>>1491793
NCR most likely has fled.

>>1491788
Lets see here >>1491660 refused to read anything because 'muh insults' But I guess this ISN'T you. Merely somebody else with that ID correct?

>>1491805
Well good luck with that powder ganger.
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>>1491805
Fuck, I guess that's where it comes to bite us in our ass
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>>1491805
Well shit. Guess we could shoot them but it'd be a waste of bullets.
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>>1491563
>>1491566
>>1491581
>Leave the Omertas to render unto Caesar

[LOCKED]
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>>1491811
Because like I said, if you can't debate without using insults, then it isn't a debate and I don't like arguing with people. We could get back to it if you would apologize.
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>>1491812
True but not really, I mean, the weaker the NCR and Legion are in a few months the better and I feel like the NCR can absorb the losses that occured here easier than the Legion can.
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>>1491820
>Apologize
>To the person the who accused ME of being the reason 1's were rolled.
Lolno. Kill yourself.

>>1491818
Rip Omertas.
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>>1491805
>"That might have been so, House, were it not for our good friend the Courier."
This is making me regret our rushed plans more.

>>1491823
They both can, really. I think the Legion will be better able to amass their war effort at the expense of collapsing once Caesar dies, but the NCR will still keep electing people once their terms are over.
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>>1484214
>>1491818
Wait, should we leave Mr. House in Lucky 38 or bring his stasis pod with us?
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>>1491830
I mean that the NCR has a bigger population and can also replace the equipment.


Seriously, the Legion has 10000 full time soldiers at most? The NCR could lose that many easily from a bad disease.
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So have we finally agreed that the the defense is at the Mojave Outpost if it isn't too damaged, and that the courier will stay behind and help while his people leave?
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>>1491525
>>1491544
>>1491555
2 for Evacuate the Followers + gigantic mass of wounded
>>1491577
1 for decline

Any other votes/did I miss anyone?
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>>1491847
Evacuate them to where? I haven't voted yet
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>>1491847
Decline
Moralefags please go, we can't support all these people
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>>1491851
With your convoy, via Rail Cars held up by Securitrons

You can also decide to kill them all and steal the meds they have left too.
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>>1491840
Yeah, but the Legion is an almost entirely warlord wartime economy. The NCR will be withdrawing for a while and it'll take some time to get the votes, mobilize forces, and then move over there whereas the Legion are almost always ready for a fight.

>>1491847
>>1491537
I was asking how much supplies we'd have if we pooled all the factions evacuating with us together. How many people will starve if we bring everyone along?
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>>1491852
Actually most will die on the trip, or we can leave them as bait for the wild life. We can also support this if barely, and those who are wounded don't need to eat 3 meals. 2 at worse.
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>>1491847
We can't. If they can make it to the outpost, maybe they can go with he NCR. We can defend them at the outpost
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>>1491847
I would like to change to Evacuate.

>>1491857
Based off of what OP stated already, it'll be hand in mouth / close to the limits.
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>>1491861
If you are wounded, you need extra food and rest, not a forced march through a giant wasteland to a science facility gone wrong
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>>1491857
>I was asking how much supplies we'd have if we pooled all the factions evacuating with us together. How many people will starve if we bring everyone along?
Regarding Food and Medicine

Currently, if you:
-Convince the Fiends to let you use their Chems
-Constantly make hunting actions turn after turn + churn out food using the irradiated metal

The Brain thinks its possible you might be able to make "most" people survive, if you are lucky there's a slim chance it will work.

>Brain
"It isn't like you were able to save everyone from your first rescue in Cottonwood Cove either.

I will warn though that the surrounding area of BigMT isn't called the "Big Empty" for no reason, the closer you get to BigMT the greater the difficulty in hunting and scavenging, possibly even completely barren earth."
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>>1491847
>>1491857
>>1491865
>>1491877
>>1491879
Anyways, I'll still support evacuating because I doubt we'll have that many mouths to feed by the time attrition sets in.

>>1491852
>1 post ID
Which anon are you?
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>>1491877
Which is why once they are no longer savable, We dump'em. If they can't walk, we should't bring'em either.
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>>1491879
Is it too late for voting to leave the Fiends behind?
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>>1491877
>The Brain
"Oh no, were it to be a foot march I would absolutely demand you NOT bring this giant liability. However as it stands there should be enough rail cars in the Mojave to transport these people by securitron lift.

However. . .I fear it may be cramped, and risk disease. . .there's a lot of things that can go wrong on this trip.

It's also possible there are not enough rail cars for everyone, you may need to decide who to leave behind or travel on foot."
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>>1491902
Take those that can be saved via Rail cars and most important, including some bots. The rest walk.
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>>1491902
We can leave behind those who are willing / suicidal and the Fiends, etc.
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>>1491902
Huh. What happens to the people in Jacobstown and Goodsprings?
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>>1491902
leave the fiends if that helps. The fit can walk alongside the cars
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>>1491915
Oh shit we need the Mutants from Jacobstown to help us. Is it too late to get them?
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>>1491899
>>1491911
Link to the original fiend result vote if you wish to veto/change your vote.

Mind you, refusing to bring them also means they won't bring their big stash of chems.

>>1491915
You're rapidly running out of railcar space.

>Brain
"This is what I feared about getting 'bogged down' in the battle. Everything would be very simple if it were just Cottonwood Cove.

You won't be able to evacuate the entire Mojave on one convoy unless you plan to be slow and suffer massive logistical shortages."
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>>1491915
>Jacobstown
There is a good chance that the Legion isn't aware of them and if they are, I doubt they are going to attack the Isolationist mutants...however we should see about getting them.

>Goodsprings
Far enough from the Dam to have heard what was going on and thus decide to run.
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>>1491927
they can walk out of the danger zone with us. Jacobstown. Get them to help us out, or march with us in the rear guard.
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>>1491930
We need the Mutants for our defense. They are going to be killed by the Legion if they stay
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>>1491927
"Not to mention if they are coming along, they'll also be hunting and eating the local wildlife which you have to hope are in plentiful supply to feed your big convoy."
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>>1491927
>"This is what I feared about getting 'bogged down' in the battle. Everything would be very simple if it were just Cottonwood Cove.
>>1491937
God damn it. So many choices because the Legion's going to pound everyone at this rate.

>>1491930
Great. If we can we should get the Mutants because they'd be a fantastic asset in the irradiated areas and ruins.
>>1491927
>>1491934
How many towns and groups do we have on the list that would be worth saving?
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>>1491927
First off, the link>>1491577.

"Okay, what we do is leave behind anyone who is willing, the Fiends besides my companions and the NCR troops.

That cuts the numbers down by about 300 at least and if we also leave behind those that are going to die in a few days, we can reduce it further."
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>>1491927
I didn't vote, was reading something else.
>>1491734
>No I change my mind stay right where you are
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>>1491634
change >>1491673
to leave the fiends. Instead get the super mutants- more trustworthy and more useful.
>>
Guys, our Cottonwood citizens are going to suffer by bringing on all this extra baggage. We should only focus on our people, the ones we promised to look after
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>>1491927
>>1491937
Should we call ourselves the Mojave Express while we're out on our exodus?

>>1491952
Yeah, so we're trying to figure out the most worthwhile ones to save besides our citizens.
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>>1491952
True but we could use the extra manpower.

I am going to go and get food, I'll return in 10 minutes or so.
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>>1491947
You already voted to abandon the fiends though, and bring your loyal companions

Unless you also want to leave your fiendish copanions behind too (Niner, Cyan, Mellisa, Vincent Vincent)
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>>1491962
We won't have the extra manpower if half of them die through the trip. The 100 or so we have will have to suffice, unless we can tack on an extra 15 or so
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>>1491927
Bring most loyal and whatever drugs we can with them, Leave the rest. >>1491634 Bring super mutants instead.
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>>1491937
>"Not to mention if they are coming along, they'll also be hunting and eating the local wildlife which you have to hope are in plentiful supply to feed your big convoy."
>>1491962
>I am going to go and get food, I'll return in 10 minutes or so.
>and get food
Trying to rub it in for the starving wastelanders, huh?
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>>1491952
We don't have to take them all the way to Big Mt, but we can't just leave them to suffer under the legion. America is for all people, not just the first.
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>>1491976
QM just said the Supermutants are going to eat an insane amount, a lot more than regular humans
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>>1491927
>>1491937
On another note, how are the Gun Runners and Brotherhood of Steel going to fare?
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>>1491969
eh, if they want to stay. As long as they fuck with the legion. If they want to come they can.
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The vote is now tied at:

3 - Tell Niner and his companions to stay at Camp McCarran
2 - Tell Niner to bring companions only
3 - Tell him to bring the fiends
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>>1491997
Bring the fiends to the defense or with us to Big Mt.?
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>>1490562
>>1491740
>>1491997
Oh. I have another idea, what if we ask the Chinese to direct all efforts to gathering as much food as possible for all the BigMT immigrants?
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>>1491997
option 3. the fiends will (hopefully) die anyway, but they'll take some down with them
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>>1491985
>Caravans
Crimson Caravan is leaving, as they are aligned with the NCR (though despised, they consider them better business)
The Van Graffs are leaving along with their shiny guns. Evidently they betrayed the Legion in a deal with the NCR
The Gun Runners are staying, the Legion are good buyers of conventional firearms, and they aren't so very embedded in them like the Crimson Caravan
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>>1492006
I don't think there's anything to gather around the big empty, they could farm sand stockpile food however.
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>>1492006
>>1492017
>>1492035
Looks like it's time to start the farms.
Should we consider spending some boons so we can sustain our population if we try bringing along every person to the BigMT? The massive population boost could seriously speed up our efforts.
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>>1492012
Sorry, wait, I might be misreading. By option 3 do you mean "tell them all to stay"?
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Why are we bringing the fiends?
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>>1492043
To defend against the legion attack
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>>1492035
>>1492043
To use as cannon fodder, mostly. The Legion has potentially thousands of men that could be hounding us, so we need someone to take the hits.
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>followers

>>1491544
>>1491555
>>1491870
>>1491893
4 for Evacuate the Followers + gigantic mass of wounded [LOCKED]
>>1491852
>>1491865
2 for decline
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>>1492045
>>1492048
But you're voting to bring the fiends along, if you want them to delay the Legion you should just leave them behind.
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>>1492035
>>1492041
right on the money

>>1492043
to kill two birds with one stone. one, they'll fight ruthlessly and take down a few legionnaires. two, they're a bunch of druggie idiots so they'll be wiped the fuck out and we won't have to deal with the ramifications of summarily executing our "allies" when we're done here
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Almost all the factions debated so far have been resolved.

Is there anyone else you would like to try and approach?

Perhaps a companion you'd like to bring along, or even a small group you may be forgetting?

Once all the faction recruitment efforts are done I'm going to calculate a new set of stats
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>>1492035
>>1492048
>>1492055
They won't be as helpful if we just leave them here than if we had them either guard the convoy, or dropped them off at the Mojave Outpost Pass to make a last stand. Plus they have a huge stash of chems they're bringing along.
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>>1492058
>>1492041
>>1491997
4 - Tell Niner and his companions to stay at Camp McCarran [LOCKED]

Sorry I had to change this a third time, I was unclear about one anon's vote and I'm taking your choices for this seriously because they all have profound results
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>>1492059
>>1492040
>>1492006
Can we ask the Chinese to direct their efforts to stockpiling as much food as possible for all the BigMT immigrants? We're going to need the bigger pop more than a cleaner tunnel.
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>>1492059
Have Boone come help the Defense
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>>1492060
But they are shit, they can't be guards.
And what happens if they refuse to stay at the Mojave Outpost?
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>>1492066
>>1492058
Attrition, mostly.
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>>1492063
i'm the one anon
i voted for the other option
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>>1492059
try and get the viper gang to hit the legion supply lines
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>>1492063
Ok i change my mind, supporting sending the fiedns to Camp McCarran.
>>1492065
Boone is definitely not going to like us dude.
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>>1492064
>Brain
"I'll try to send a message to DanDan about it."

>>1492065
Boon previously refused you, you're not even sure if he's alive.
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>>1492079
>"I'll try to send a message to DanDan about it."
Thanks, Brain.

>>1492079
>Boon previously refused you, you're not even sure if he's alive.
>you're not even sure if he's alive.
He's alive, in our hearts.
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>>1492079
Boone's clever and vengeful. I bet he's going all batman right now, but with more bullets.
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>>1492073
The Vipers flat out refuse, they don't like House and they aren't going to attack the Legion who has a reputation against Raiders that attack their caravans
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>>1492079
>"I'll try to send a message to DanDan about it."
If we get the Chinese to stockpile food, how much better will our supply situation be? How well could it be if we spent some boons to supporting some of the more valuable populations around?
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Alright, so to tally up thus far

1 The Boomers - Defend yourselves + Hit my targets [Locked]
2 The Fiends - Niner and his gang stay at Camp Mcarran.
3 The Powder Gangers - Refused
4 The Kings - Refused
5 The Followers - Evacuate *everyone* (that you can)
6 Omertas - Refused

Other:
Vipers - Refused
BoS - {On Lockdown} (you refused to make a truce between them and the NCR, currently McNamara is Elder)

All [LOCKED]
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>>1492120
Bring the BoS with if possible? Its away from NCR lands.
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>>1492120
I'll give you guys a bit more time to think of some others, before turn processing. Wondering if you'l remember any of the other factions mentioned thus far
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>>1492077
>Ok i change my mind, supporting sending the fiedns to Camp McCarran.
Didn't you already vote that, anon?

>>1492120
>BoS - {On Lockdown} (you refused to make a truce between them and the NCR, currently McNamara is Elder)
Woops.

>>1492128
>Wondering if you'l remember any of the other factions mentioned thus far
The Zetans?
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>>1492128
Are the other dlc factions fair game or no?
cause we could bring in the tribes from zion they hate the legion
>>
What are the Khans doing? I thought we had them fight the legion
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>>1492128
Westside militia?
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>>1492148
Nope, the Khan's are allied with the Legion and fighting the NCR right now, mostly in Westside.

It was part of an approved plan to recruit as many raiders, criminal elements, and others to attack the NCR as a big unified front as possible
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>>1492150
Being overrun by Khan's and some Legion advance forces
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>>1492153
>It was part of an approved plan to recruit as many raiders, criminal elements, and others to attack the NCR as a big unified front as possible
So just to check, what's the population of the NCR versus the Legion?
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>>1492159
Overall or in the Mojave?

In the Mojave
>NCR - Rapidly and massively dwindling, evacuating, or being captured combined with the gas bombing of the strip embassy and mojave wide criminal attacks
>Legion - Being damaged by bombs, artillery, and battle but not nearly to the extent of the NCR

Any NCR denizens who can are pretty much retreating back to the NCR, which is hard when every raider, ganger, and advance legion scout is out to kill you
>>
Gonna eat some dinner, then brb
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>>1492175
Are they going to defend at the outpost or keep runnign?

Also, can the deathclaws help?
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>>1492175
Okay, so NCR's done for in the Mojave.
What about Overall? Could we also check to see the size of their military forces overall? I want to see if we can form a unified front against the Legion once we come back for Round 2.
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>>1492188
The Deathclaws, as far as you can tell, are helping by eating any NCR soldiers or citizens and they find as ordered to help in the battle, by far they are the most thorough and not a single NCR soldier or citizen has escaped their clutches. The Legion are avoiding them.

If you'd like to try and approach them, what would you ask of them?

>>1492196
NCR is pretty damn big, the War is far from over. Very far from over.
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>>1492205
Thus far the DeathClaws are mostly staying in the Quarry though.
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>>1492205
To go out and attack bands of Legion soldiers that come by and stop with the NCR
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Rolled 83 (1d100)

>>1492210
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>>1492215
>>1492210
Showing your face on a securitron, the DeathClaws do not immediately rend it to pieces.

>Sharptooth
"King Best friend refuses to cease hunting the NCR, they who would see us exterminated, even the younglings and eggs.

Should you wish, we will also strike out against the Legion. Know that many DeathClaws are wild, and may not be able to distinguish any human from another"


---

>Brain
"Do.

Not.

Do that.

I can't even begin to tell you how bad of an idea that is."
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>>1492224
Why would it be a bad idea?
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>>1492205
>NCR is pretty damn big, the War is far from over. Very far from over.
Great, good to know.
So what's the size of the population and military force of the NCR compared to the Legion overall? Territories if we include the Legion gaining the Mojave?

How are all the towns holding up, places like Goodsprings and Novac? How are the other factions like the Bright Brotherhood and the Honest Hearts DLC factions?

>>1492224
So the Deathclaws stay in the Quarry, got it.
>>1492224
>Know that many DeathClaws are wild, and may not be able to distinguish any human from another"
>>1492235
Too much collateral damage.
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>>1492224
just stay in the Quarry the bad NCR is leaving. Just be ready for if the bad legion comes to kill.
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>>1492237
A lot of that info is out of your current range of vision
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>>1492237
>>1492243
So they're out of the question, then. Guess we can't contact any of the leaders there? Come to think of it, I think that's all the people unless we're talking about the other companions we left behind, like those urchins at Mormon Fort.
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>>1492120
>BoS - {On Lockdown} (you refused to make a truce between them and the NCR, currently McNamara is Elder)
>>1492127
Can we help negotiate a truce between them? We could use some more fighters against the Legion.
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>>1492266
They could ambush the rear guard of the legion
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>>1492120
>>1492243
>>1492271
Yeah, alternatively they could stay low and we'll trade some tech.
Can we try contacting the Jackals and Scorpions too? I think all the gangs besides the Fiends are going to decline.
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>>1492321
Scorpions and Jackals said no, but the BoS aren't going to be there for long, so maybe they can come with us, or help defend
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>>1492328
or they bunker down even more. they might just end up hidden until we come back.
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>>1492328
>Scorpions and Jackals said no
I thought it was just the Vipers that said that? The others are split factions, but they're under the same raider unified front.

>>1492120
>BoS - {On Lockdown}
>>1492336
>or they bunker down even more.
[Lockdown intensifies]
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>>1492347
Its the brotherhood way. They are turtley enough for the turtle club.
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>>1492351
"Gee McNamara! How come your chapter lets you have TWO lockdowns?"
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>>1492387
kek
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>>1492266
Bit too late for that unfortunately
>>1492258
You remember the Freeside Rats, who are currently waiting for your signal. Originally you planned to let them stay here while the NCR was in power to act as your little eyes and ears

>Tell them to join us
>Let them stay

>>1492347
Pretty much all the raiders do not want to go toe to toe with the Legion
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>>1492729
>Tell them to join us
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>>1492729
>Tell them to join us


Do we have any mini-nukes?
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>>1492742
Sure, what do you want em for
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>>1492743
If we can somehow rig one or two of them to a detonator, bury them in the ground outside of NV and leave a wounded guy who is willing to die taking the Legion down with it, we can leave them a lovely parting gift.
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>>1492729
>Tell them to join us
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>>1492764
Wanna roll for it?I dare ya
>>
Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>1492775
Luckily for you, I've always been a gambling man.
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>>1492778
Great to see my patrons support me, with dubs no less!
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>>1492781
And look, your dub is matched by your last digit. Truly a fortuitous day.
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>>1492778
You give a wounded NCR a mini-nuke and a detonator. He knows what to do, if he lasts at least.
>>1492735
>>1492742
>>1492766
[LOCKED]

You send a securitron to "The Fort" where the Freeside rats are, as promised, you give them the signal to let you safely approach.

>Securitron
[*Long Raspberry Noise*]

>Joeclyn
"That's the Signal! Okay Mr. Robot, what does Courier want us to do?"

You tell the Rats you've changed your mind, to gather up all their weapons, ammo, and toys and that we're going for a "big journey to a special science museum"

Joeclyn stands up and yells at the top of her lungs. "FREESIDE RATS, BATTLESTATIONS!

Line up and Sound Off!"

>Joeclyn
"Number One - Joeclyn, Leader!"

>Jake
"Number Two - Jake, Soldier!"

>Meyla
"Number Three - Meyla, Shock Trooper!"

>Tommy
"Number Four - Tommy, Sniper!"

>B.A.L.L.A.R.M.-08
"<[Number Five]>//<[BALLARM 08]>//<[Android]>"

One by one the Freeside Rats line up, each wearing oversized uniforms stolen from NCR, Mercenaries, and even a Legionaire here and there, holding energy weapons or shouldering rifles taller than themselves. Once everyone is accounted for, they carry all the weapons, ammunition, and various loot they can and follow your securitron in single formation toward a Railroad Car and a few other Securitrons.

Internally you debate on the morality of having a band of literal child soldiers, against the fact that most of these would have been orphans or slaves without your training.
>>
>writing up the next turn

unless anyone has more questions
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>>1492848
Do we have any more mini-nukes, landmines, hand grenades, incendiary grenades, plasma grenades or such?
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>>1492839
At least these kids are more trustworthy than the Fiends. Plus, sweet Android.
>>1474170
>>1479953
>>1492848
So what's going to happen to Russel if we leave him behind? Should we try convincing him with his input?
Come to think of it, we should ask our companions for anyone else we should ask to join the Mojave Express, and if they have any ideas on how to sustain our population until we get to the BigMT.

>>1492839
>You give a wounded NCR a mini-nuke and a detonator. He knows what to do, if he lasts at least.
Consider gathering all the soldiers who opt to stay behind to make a last stand around the area? We could give them some drugs to buy more time for the mininuke detonator.
>>
I'm amazed that working with literal murderers, rapers, torturers and raiders somehow bit us back in the ass.
>>
Morning guys, gonna be crunching some stuff but post soon
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>>1493647

Maybe a new thread?
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>>1478346
>>1493693
>>1493647
>1422 posts in 4 days
It's a new record!

Might be for the best though, yeah.
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>>1493582
That didn't bite us in the ass.


What bit us in the ass was the double ones. Without those we'd have won the dam and the NCR would've had enough troops to take care of the rest of our operations.

Admittedly we should've had contingencies for them failing but we assumed everything would go to plan and that we have had a bit more time to get things in place.
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>>1493647
Can we set up a repeating radio message telling people not to try to be friendly to the legion? Like "they'll rape your women, steal your children and take your land?" To maybe convince the more reasonable people like the khans siding with them is a bad idea?
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>>1494039
They are all aware of what the legion are like.
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>>1494039
That won't work, no ones going to believe a random broadcast on the radio and the legion will shut it down real quick
>>
So, I have a few ways to make our settling of Big MT easier:

1) We need to get the botanical gardens / that one biological science unit in the tower to come up with some sort of fast spreading, edible, radiation resistant grass / wheat or preferably potato.

Seeing as we can travel to the Big MT ahead of the convoy, we could seed the entire region with it.
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>>1494043
The khans don't you get two guys to vote no in the quest by telling them women dont have rights in the legion. The drugmaker and his girlfriend.
It stands to reason there are others who just see the strong angle, and nothing else
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>>1494050
Shit the rest didn't connect:

2) Same general idea as above but to introduce medicinal herbs to the region to lower the difficulty in supporting / healing our wounded.

3) We need to find a way to get the Lobotomites under control both to avoid conflict and for the labour force they represent.

4) The trauma suits as well. They can work for 200 years without being powered again and are as strong as a human but don't need to sleep, eat or drink. Can also work in radioactive areas.

5) The MK 5 securotrons, 3 MK's better than ours, exist in this region. The only difference is in their software. If we can enhance our Securotrons by getting that software, they will be far better in combat and such.

>>1494059
True but it was stated early in quest they are allied with the legion already, implying that they had that vote and it passed.
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>>1494072
I know it wont do anything immediately, but it sows seeds of doubt, and it might help convince anyone on the fence. The khans are people who can change their mind presented new evidence.
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>>1494051
NEW THREAD
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>>1494081
Then it is better to wait, they can't beat the Legion in a fight even if they changed sides but if we can contact them after they are absorbed we can use them to bring it down from the inside.
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>>1494084
If we wait the legion gets their women and children as leverage. Right now the legion only has promises to keep the people in line. It would at least prepare them.
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Rolled 79 (1d100)

I'm here to inform you all that a combination of poor planning and terrible luck has resulted in the Mojave being lost.

There's nothing there for you now. Not anything that you can't simply pick up and leave with.

All is lost. You can only blame yourselves and Fortuna for this outcome.

Luckily, I'm here to help! Supporting leaving all these fuckers behind and hauling ass out of the mojave!
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>>1494082
>>1501342
'Dawg, wrong thread.




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