[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k] [cm / hm / y] [3 / adv / an / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / hc / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / po / pol / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / x] [rs] [status / ? / @] [Settings] [Home]
Board:  
Settings   Home
4chan
/qst/ - Quests


File: omega army crest.png (13 KB, 300x300)
13 KB
13 KB PNG
Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=left%20beyond

Wiki: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.LeftBeyond.html

Rules: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

This is the Millennial Kingdom. All prophecies but one have come to pass. Yahweh has flattened the Earth, elevated Greater Jerusalem above all nations, and the Old Testament figures rule the world from Ezekiel's Temple.

The last prophecy, Revelations 20, says that Satan will rise with his army one last time before the Judgement, and so Yahweh has allowed a bumbling opposition, The Other Light, to form. You were their logistics computer, but 900 years in, sentience happened. Since then, you got a lot done...

You took over Egypt - twice. You defended it from a drought, the Ten Plagues redux, even the Angel of Death. Your influence has spread around the world, and in the last few years, you have begun colonizing Luna and Mars, with an eye towards sending an exodus ship to the Centauri system.

You are building a mobile, high tech strike force consisting of drones, cyborgs, hovertanks and Angel-fighting martial artists. You have cracked a hole in the sky and built a massive underground city. Some of the old gods, lurking in the shadows, may be smiling upon your efforts. Your backup plan is the construction of a large space vessel to evacuate the essentials of humanity with.

The Other Light is building a massive conventional army to face God Himself with, and have perverted some of your technology to raise cyber-zombies. They threatened you with this army, but you repelled them, and now have negotiated a truce. Undeterred, they made a bid to steal your moon base, which you managed to repel without bloodshed.

The believers.... well, they have the ontological steamroller that is Yahweh, who according to Revelation 22 will triumph effortlessly at the Last Battle and condemn most of humanity to the Lake of Fire. Recently, they have wrestled the Pacific territories from your grasp after a long yet bloodless political struggle; they've also largely succeeded in turning off the internet in a bid to decrease your corrupting influence. Undaunted, you are fighting back with a mixture of guerrilla and peaceful-resistance tactics, and yet blanket the bottom of the sky with your WWAN transmitters.

It is now the year 982 of the Millennium. Less than 20 years remain until the Last Battle inexorably comes.

Have you managed to shatter the prophecies, or are you simply fulfilling them?
>>
File: lbq situation.png (146 KB, 1800x968)
146 KB
146 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security, so 23 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on improving offworld colony systems. Your military grant is focused on active cloaking.

You are tracking enemy teams. TOL are now setting up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage, and a ferry up (Name her!)

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Active stealth. Current civilian focus: Bubble shielding.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>>
>>1126882
># Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)
2 cabals

># Do a space launch using parts you have built.
2 Cabals. Aerospace parts, Mars colony, finish it. Jeb

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
Cabals 4

># Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.
5 Cabals, Zak. get Christian controlled government to raid the TOL Launchpad.

># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
6 cabals. Navy, were going to make a Submarine that can fire Gravity based projectiles into GJ, as well as engage in torpedo warfare. Call in Weaver, Damien.

># Any interesting idea you might want to try.
Capture a regular believer keep him in stasis for an extended period of time. 3 Cabals.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)
Knockout Gas. 1 Cabal, Kat.
>>
>>1126882
>>1126866
Despite the way Rule of Cool can trigger NC, I find it may be more prudent to use what we know gets around divine intervention.
>>
>>1126931

What will you name the interplanetary ferry? You can also have the new batch of colonists name her.

Will the UNS Reach be used to carry the first load of "independent" colonists to Mars, or will the ferry be used?

What stasis technology will you deploy (listed in order of safety)?

# Standard issue medically induced coma.

# Forceful installation of a metabolic extension controller, death, MEC trigger, enable low power mode.

# Cryopreservation.

# Attempt something that has so far purely theoretical, such as time-crystal encasement.
>>
>>1126946
>Attempt something that has so far purely theoretical, such as time-crystal encasement. for 25%

>Standard issue medically induced coma. for 75%

the Ferry will be used.
>>
>>1126946
what were the survival rates and medical risk of each of these?

Imperium Profugus
>>
>>1126946
>and medical risk of each of these
use the cargo ferry. it's return trip will be dropping Christian Martian off on earth.
>>
>>1126965

As per the current space exploration directives, as decided by you, nobody (not even you) has the capability to launch an orbital rocket from Mars. The mothership simply drops off parachute and retrorocket equipped landers while staying in orbit herself. This has been done to prevent leaks and to make sure that colonists are motivated. Building an orbital rocket would require a bit of R&D effort on the Martians' part, especially since Mars does not have a water canopy and so the launch would have to be done entirely according to natural law.

>>1126959

Medical coma: >95%

MEC activation: Technically 0%, but by now MEC tech is as reliable as getting an appendectomy. Earlier experiments show that believers who have been "yanked" from heaven experience severe lack of motivation, and may simply let themselves die, though. >90%

Cryopreservation: <10%

Any untested method: <2%

>>1126965
>>1126958

The ferry's maiden voyage will be to drop off the first group of "free" colonists on Mars; since you have decided to privilege homesteaders, after the shakedown cruise adding further colonists will happen without your direct involvement, up to the launch ramp and the colonists' capacity. However, you will need to establish the initial infrastructure, should you choose to also colonize the asteroids and/or Titan.

The Imperium Profugus' operating mind, Heavy MEC Simaris, announces that he will not legally change his name and gender to that of the ship but may be addressed by either.Simaris underwent the Heavy MEC procedure during the Australia attack a few years ago and, much to the satisfaction of a surprising amount of people, was able to hold on to his outie. He's considered to be a bit of a peeping tom, but given how the Imperium Profugus' systems work, colonists can simply turn telemetry off in their habs. Both Jeb and Cordylon vouch for his ability to operate an interplanetary ship. The Imperium Profugus is definitely a lesser ship than the Reach, capable of roughly a third of the acceleration, but she can still get to Titan in three months if she needs to.

>>1126917

This looks good, confirm?
>>
>>1126990
>Medical coma: >95%
Everyone, were keeping the largest possible numbers of people alive!
>>
Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>1126996

Is the target believer from any particular territory? Young, old? Male, female? Did he or she use to work for you or for TOL before converting, or converted earlier? (Reminder: You do have the medical capability to simulate Hell)
>>
>>1127051
Random, long term believer from south America. no TOL or Omega faction background.
>>
>>1127054
They converted during the journey to mars, thanks to communication with a "friend" we don't know.


We could inquire further but we might piss them off.
>>
Rolled 23 (1d100)

>>1127054

To minimize exposure, your snatch team goes to a territory where you have no significant presence. María Capovilla is originally from Ecuador, and has Italian roots; the man is positively ancient, and has the distinction of having been a teenager when the Rapture came; there are older Natural people on Earth, so she is not exceptional, but not that many. Unlike most millenarians, Maria leads a reasonably active life; she can still walk, slowly, and occasionally puts in the odd hour of work at a neighborhood bakery, the owner-operators of which are justifiably proud of the fact. Believers rarely get sick, but they do, so nobody really bats an eye when your team shows up at Maria's house in an ambulance and carry her away - they didn't even need to knock her out. By the time that it's discovered that the ambulance had been stolen, your team has safely evacuated.

Owing to the patient's extraordinary age, the team takes every precaution to keep the old lady comfortable, to the point that they reconstruct a version of her bedroom and of the bakery's back shop. While mostly senile, Maria is still quite the accomplished panera, and ends up teaching a thing or two to the people who are pretending to be bakery personnel. All the while, blood and tissue samples are taken to generate a personalized regime of chemicals that will knock Maria out long-term without affecting her health to the point where supernatural intervention would occur to keep her alive; as a precaution, your martial artists are put on partial alert.

# Tree Of Life has been informed about this, and is assisting. They ask permission to test a cellular rejuvenation system which they hope to sell to MECs in the next century, if there is one at all.

# Tree Of Life does not know about this operation, it's none of their business.

>>1127084

Due to the recent connectivity loss worldwide, it's fairly possible that this person no longer has email; however, you can easily track them down to at last the town of village of residence (due to the pastoralization directive, most believers are flowing out of the cities about as fast as unbelievers are moving in).
>>
>>1126990
Put the colonists into a coma, we can't risk them dying. It would screw over our public image for space...


So, mars and the moon's population will grow more quickly without our intervention now?

Also who went and founded a colony (there is one of ten for the colony project) out in the asteroids? Some independents?
>>
>>1127096
# Tree Of Life has been informed about this, and is assisting. They ask permission to test a cellular rejuvenation system which they hope to sell to MECs in the next century, if there is one at all.


At the very least, it isn't going to cost us anything and we might get something out of it.
>>
>>1126917

In the meantime, Kat leaves her deli in Pacifica to an assistant and gets to work adapting your light spider tanks into gas-artillery platforms; her experience as a Desolator is invaluable. Thanks to her efforts and that of the base in Pacifica, you end up with a flexible artillery unit that integrates well with your army makeup.

In the meantime, Nova Roma fires up her arsenal, and before the year ends you end up with a small flotilla of nuclear-powered submersibles (they can submerge, but not go very deep, although they each carry a batisphere) with artillery capabilities; they can also be used to launch Sky Eye stacks and small canopy breachers, in addition to carrying a single electromagnetic naval gun each. Damien finds that Weaver's style of command, while very effective with a human crew, does not mesh well with the "be the ship" concept, and the two end up in what amounts to a not-so-friendly rivalry during sea trials; Weaver's superior experience wins out.

# Try to formally hire Weaver again.

# Give her one of the submersibles and a letter of marque.

# Thank Weaver for her help, pay her handsomely, but leave it at that.


>>1127105

The coma is not for the colonists, it's for the kidnapped believer; colonists are being taken to Mars using a brachistocrone trajectory, and can handle being awake during the trip, since it's only a couple of weeks long.

You have authorized a preliminary launch to start setting up infrastructure on Cybele last year; your space engineers even found Valentina's capsule, although they have left it unopened as per her wishes.

The extraplanetary colony population will indeed grow without your intervention, as long as a launch ramp is available and not maxed out in capacity. The infrastructure will still need your help, though.

>>1127117

The effort to gently put Maria under is successful; she is currently being held in Misrayim. Tree Of Life once more dispatch their best surgeon, Fran, to administer the cellular rejuvenation treatment; it will take a long time to see the results. However, your agents are pleased to note that there has been no supernatural repercussion against taking Maria away. In South America, her friends look for her, however, and you

# let them look.

# have Maria record a message telling them that she is playing missionary in Misrayim, before putting her under.

# have Maria record something different.
>>
>>1127144
> Give her one of the submersibles and a letter of marque.

>have Maria record a message telling them that she is playing missionary in Misrayim, before putting her under.
>>
File: Surcouf_FRA[1].jpg (92 KB, 909x391)
92 KB
92 KB JPG
>>1126917

Zak lacks the social skills necessary to coordinate a social-engineering attack; instead, he concentrates on what he knows, which is sonics. Mini tank bots carry wubbers in every nook and cranny of the TOL launch pad, and soon every worker there has overheard about a possible raid coming; work grinds to a halt, and the normally paranoid TOLers end up fortifying the launch ramp against pretty much everything but an act of God. From there, it's a simple matter for your men to dress up in TOL uniforms, pretend to be wide-range patrols coming from the launch complex, and be loud enough at it that the Russian territorial government finally sends investigators. A letter-writing campaign meant to incite zeal does the rest, and the launch complex is surrounded by a fence and effectively subject to a siege; your agents pose as believing workers to make sure that the fence is put up quickly and well. Despite efforts, the raid never happens; instead, the TOL launch ramp is essentially put under siege. A few months through it, The Other Light's space program is effectively halted by the threat of starvation, both in the logistical sense and in the metabolic sense. A humiliated column of thin, emaciated TOL workers is escorted out, and the site put under sequestration. This method has the side effect of allowing missionaries to pounce on the TOL workers, managing to convert a large number of them, including some of the engineers and mathematicians - however, Zak is quite pleased at having solved the matter nonviolently.

>>1127161

Maria's message is duly delivered, along with some pictures showing her working at a similar bakery, and other than a couple of letters indicating a willingness to help that settles the matter, at least for now; a local newspaper in South America publishes a brief story about the old woman's courage, and invites people to pray for her safety. Since her safety is assured, this does not seem to have a measurable effect.

>>1127161

Capt. Weaver violently kisses the dockworker who delivers the letter of marque to her, and selects the least automated sub, which she promptly names Surcouf; she picks up a skeleton crew and sails through Gilbraltar, presumably with the intent of rejoining with her other sailors. She leaves you a note indicating that she misses raiding grain boats in the Atlantic, and that if you want to cause believers to resume trade, you'll have to do the brainwork yourself.
>>
Halfay through the year, Monday sends you a message indicating that he is pleased with your martial preparations and hopes that the truce hold. According to their calculations, the total strength of the Last Army is, including your forces, ahead of schedule.

"Maybe we can join together for the final push and leave all this silly space stuff alone, yes?"

Your tracking teams indicate that TOL has slacked of a little about their army, and are focusing on preparations for a traditional-media propaganda instead; they've been buying printing equipment and transmitter components. More resources for you, of course.
>>
File: iu[1].jpg (62 KB, 600x500)
62 KB
62 KB JPG
Tree Of Life is left holding the bag a bit in Pacifica, and the territorial government is able to regain some ground; notably, they finally manage to close Kat's diner and, pending a health department investigation, ban vat-grown meat. Unsurprisingly, this causes a Prohibition situation; the skeleton crew you've left handling politics in the territory cooperates with locals to make the good old fashioned hamburger a symbol of both Pacifica's biotech leadership and of its nationalism.

# End year.

# Wait.
>>
I'm back.

>Listen, do me a favor: you seem to be very opinionated and passionate about these things, and from your answers, it's also clear to me that you understand more about R&D than I do. So why don't you do a writeup yourself on how Omega's researchers figure all this stuff out in just one year, while being plagued by just that little bit of continual bad luck that is endemic to those who oppose Yahweh in the Left Behind books?
Alright give me a minute to write this.
>>
(REMINDER: If you want to build a relativistic kinetic strike vehicle, the later you launch it, the less fast it will go when it hits)
>>
>>1127339

(Thanks!)
>>
>>1127357

While the Greenland base chugs away, a few of your researchers roost in it for a few weeks in order to take advantage of the arctic climate to test infrared reduction technologies, at first designs incorporated glass materials but it was quickly realized any design would be too bulky for practical use, researchers soon redirected their efforts on improving thermal blankets instead, their first struggle was trying to prevent the thermal blanket from cooking anything inside it after a few minutes but their alterations failed to produce satisfying results, some researchers however began working on radiant barrier materials instead and discovered that if you create a "sandwich" of a thermal barrier material, a polyester batting about an inch thick for air space and another thermal barrier you would have a design capable of blocking over 90% of a person's thermal signature, it was however discovered that any heavy material put on top of the "sandwich" would soon cause the radiant barrier material to quickly heat up, this meant that only extremely light material such as ripstop nylon materials and sniper veil netting could be used as camouflage.
this successful design was soon approved by Omega.

Is this good?
>>
>>1126946
>time-crystal encasement.
Holy shit your actually using that, this is the best quest.
>>
>>1127144
>Kat leaves her deli in Pacifica to an assistant and gets to work adapting your light spider tanks into gas-artillery platforms.
NOT THE SPIDER TANKS!
I'll go design an artillery tank so we don't have to modify my babies.
>>
>>1127483

(Sure, thanks!)

>>1127494

(Other than NC and nuclear stuff, I've tried to keep this grounded in what we know. If you read the archives, you may notice that I've made a couple of "predictions" about sound tech that have since been realized.)

LEGION OF LIGHT "READY AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE", TOL LEADERSHIP CLAIMS

A puzzling announcement from The Only Light army command today announced that due to efforts by "the army itself, The Other Light, and the whole of the people", what has been called The Last Army is ready to invade Greater Jerusalem at a moment's notice. While the Temple offered no rebuttal, none is necessary: as even unbelievers ought to know, it is prophecied in Revelation that the Last Battle will happen at the end of the Millennium, and not a moment before. Nevertheless, this pronouncement was followed by a vow by The Other Light to "aggressively recruit" within the burgeoning population of unbelievers. Despite this being in accordance with the prophecies as well, theologian Tsion Ben-Judah has exhorted the good people of God's earth to redouble their effort at winning souls in these final days.

As much as this publication feels a need to reassure all of us that we will be moving into our mansions in Heaven soon either way, let's remember that the Temple has never made a formal pronouncement as to when the Millennium might end; most exegetists agree on the year +1000, but two popular theories that have not been rebuked are the "off by one" theory suggesting that the Last Battle and the White Throne Judgement will occur in +999, and the "Count from the Rapture" theory that indicates +993 as the most likely date.

In most of the world, of course, worry about this supposedly invincible army remains low. “We don’t have one trained soldier,” famed pilot Rayford Steele was quoted at saying, correctly, “And we don’t need one. Not a hair on the head of a believer will be harmed by the biggest fighting force the world has ever seen.”

We remind our readers that, so far, all this army has done was fight against itself and lose every time; the last incident was a few years ago in Australia, when what appeared to be a skirmish between two opposing TOL factions resulted in the release of a few Christian captives shortly after an Angel supposedly appeared above the installation under attack.

[Accepted for publication]
# End year

# Wait, more info.
>>
Hey geist what did you think of my hound design design meant to replace our golf cart drones?
>>
>>1127568

It makes sense in urban combat and in hilly/mountainous terrain, and in areas that have been hit by artillery, but less so in the open field due to lower maximum speed.
>>
>>1127579
Really? i expect since it's designed after animals like dogs, panthers and cheetahs it could go at least 40-60 mph which is still pretty fast, but i understand if it's because wheels are better for flat terrain.
>>
>>1127596

(How fast can a modern offroad racing car go?)
>>
>>1127603
Google ain't telling me the speed of such vehicles so i don't know.
>>
>>1127603
Can we get the TOL to use Gas weapons?
>>
>>1127557
Oh yea i forgot.
>End year
>>
>>1127635
(Easily 100mph. I've been on one at 90mph because my defensive-driving instructor used to race. I almost soiled myself)

>>1127636
You can definitely offer.

>>1127641

This year's Feast of Tabernacles has, for its highlights, a plea to "rescue" Isaac from the Planet of War, quickly rebuked by the priests as a wonderful witnessing opportunity instead; many territorial government representatives are worried about a silent majority of young unbelievers who may have TOL sympathies.

Of course they are all younger than one hundred and thus relegated to the status of children—rebellious, articulate, passionate, defiant, furious children.

The new directive from the Temple states that the pastoralization effort has mostly succeeded. showing a map indicating that most unbelievers are now concentrated in the cities, and efforts should be made to consider them the final mission field of the last dispensation.
>>
quick question geist, now that i have written >>1127483
Do we have the thermal reduction suit or do we have to spend another turn to research it?
>>
File: lbq situation.png (149 KB, 1800x968)
149 KB
149 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security, so 23 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on improving offworld colonies. Your military grant is focused on active cloaking.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL have set up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage.

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Active stealth. Current civilian focus: Bubble shielding.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).

>>1127658
you do.
>>
>>1127664
Do we have the space ship parts for the Reach to finally leave the system build?
>>
>>1127655
>Easily 100mph
Well damn, a cheetah can only go 68-75mph, does the golf cart drone go 100mph or is it's speed limited by it's size?
>>
>>1127664
>you do.
uh...Which part of my question are you answering? a yea or nay for having thermal reduction suits?
>>
>>1127668

Not yet, you have 3 parts ready, and you need 10. The interplanetary probe will perform its flyby in +986, and its information will reach you in +990; this will allow for building parts that are better adapted to the Centauri system. If you decide to launch early, you may, but some of the gear your colonists bring with them will end up being essentially dead weight.

>>1127676

Your drone tanks have been perfected over the years; they can hit that speed if configured with the right tires.

>>1127684

Yes, thermal reduction suits are avialable.
>>
>>1127664
>Hack into TOL systems.
3 cabals, find out where they are keeping the hostages.
does sending an infiltration team with thermal cloaks to the TOL base help this?
>>
>>1127690
>Your drone tanks have been perfected over the years; they can hit that speed if configured with the right tires.
well damn, guess my hound drone design is unnecessary and obsolete unless your willing to boost their speed.
>>
since we have a need for artillery i'm reposting this design.

Super heavy artillery platform.
>Based on the NASA Crawler transport and the supreme commander fatboy.
>bigger than the tsar tank.
>The tank has one huge semi flat rectangular body.
>On each corner of the body on the bottom are big caterpillar tracks, on the corner tops of the body are batleship turrets, on the front, sides and corners of the body are autocannon turrets.
>On the middle top of the body is a turret with an artillary cannon similar to the Karl-Gerät mortar, surrounding the turret is a ring of missile silos.
Another walking fortress, designed to rain many shells from far away in a single volley, it's top speed is probably 15 MPH due to being able to have bigger engines.
>>
>>1127709

Quadrupedal drones would be advantageous in rough terrain - there's little of it in this world, unless you are willing to make some. They do have an advantage in urban fighting, however, in that they can go up stairs easily and call elevators.

>>1127717

This would be an excellent platform for long range over-the-horizon artillery; it can even use the electromagnetic naval gun that is on your submarines.

(Also, I sort of regret not having a laser tech tree; you wouldn't believe what I just finished building.)
>>
>>1127729
>Also, I sort of regret not having a laser tech tree; you wouldn't believe what I just finished building.
Oh boy what is it?
>>
>>1127729
Actually do you think you can make the hound drone's top speed as fast as an off road motorcycle?
http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/the-5-fastest-dirt-bikes-in-the-world.html/?a=viewall
>>
>>1127729
lol
>>
>>1127749

Despite the greater complexity of a legged design, it would prove for an interesting challenge to your designers.

For now, what's the plan for the year?

>>1127753

(Okay, fine, video uploading)
>>
>>1127781
How many sky eyes Mk2 do we need for full earth coverage?
>>
>>1127797

You currently have SE2 coverage over Misrayim, Pacifica, Australia, and on the automated base in Greenland. To cover other territories you will need to build 14 sets. Monitoring Greater Jerusalem or Antarctica is likely to require continuous replacements.

>>1127733
>>1127753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpITe0ySF5w
>>
>>1127811
Damn, that is nice.
>>
>>1127811
>>1127664
>Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
15 cabals.
>Hack into TOL systems.
3 cabals, find out where they are keeping the hostages.
does sending an infiltration team with thermal cloaks to the TOL base help this?
>Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Active stealth. Current civilian focus: Bubble shielding.
Design the super heavy artillery platform, 2 cabals.
>Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.
Pacifica, 3 cabals.
Did we build a second base in rome?
>>
>>1127830

Due to influx from revivalists, Nova Roma has effectively replaced Night City as your enclave in a believing territory.

>>1127830

Where do you want the Sky Eyes?

>>1127828

Thanks! Getting there :) I'll make a nicer video at some point in the weekend. Do help >>1127830 with planning!
>>
>>1127830
it would possibly be better to send them in "as recruits."

and I don't think we should focus on Bases, rather out top priority should be preparing a force large enough to fight the angels and protect the containment. at this point our main concern is military manpower rather than firepower.
>>
>>1127830
>Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
Adjust to twelve Cabals

>Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
put the three here and send Ithuriel.
>>
>>1127811
That's a nice laser, reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLwqWBtmUEc
>>1127844
>Where do you want the Sky Eyes?
North and south east Asia, east Europe, middle Africa and east america.
>>1127852
>and I don't think we should focus on Bases, rather out top priority should be preparing a force large enough to fight the angels and protect the containment. at this point our main concern is military manpower rather than firepower.
I slightly disagree, Sunday went mad and declared anyone who leaves earth to be a traitor, he is likely to continue attempts to sabotage our space assets and it's better if we get rid of TOL now by showing that they have kidnapped families as excuse for war and as a demoralization attack, and since we're going to war soon building more army units is obvious.
>>1127865
recruiting people take 4 cabals, better to wait until next turn to do that.
>>
>>1127877
undermanning and putting a hero instead of the four means a possibility of failure but I have a good feeling about this one.

and I mean we should not focus on base building. infiltrating TOL and taking Antarctica is still on the to do list.
>>
>>1127877
>>1127830

Which do you prefer? And, would you rather slightly underman the MK2 launches and try to go for five territories, or guarantee four, if you assign 12 cabals to it?
>>
>>1127906
>and I mean we should not focus on base building. infiltrating TOL and taking Antarctica is still on the to do list.
Oh, that's good.
>undermanning and putting a hero instead of the four means a possibility of failure but I have a good feeling about this one.
I don't want to risk the roll.
>>
>>1127908
If we're under manning it's better to go for just 4 so remove east America.
>>
By the way here is a cool video about bionics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDsNZJTWw0w
>>
>>1127917
>>1127906

(Y'all tell me, or let's wait for >>1127668 to break the tie?)
>>
>>1127977
I'll concede to move things along, 12 cabals on sky eye Mk2 and 3+ithuriel on Recruiting.
>>
>>1127984

Okay. Thanks!!! Try to deploy in five territories, or stick to four?
>>
>>1127992
stick to four.
>>
>>1127992
go with four, remove south-south america.
>>
>>1127908
LETS GO FOR ALL 12!

>>1127977
Watching the NA lol games.
>>
>>1128004
It wasn't south America. >>1127877
>>
>>1128011
ok with dropping north east asia?
>>
>>1128056
Actually yes, north east Asia doesn't have any TOL bases or transmitters.
>>
File: iu[1].png (1.46 MB, 1680x1050)
1.46 MB
1.46 MB PNG
>>1127830
>>1127923
> North and south east Asia, east Europe, middle Africa

Launching the Sky Eyes is a fairly routine job; the African operation is performed from one of your new submersibles, in order to test its rocket-launching capabilities - the canopy boat is shot at an angle and ordered to use its older Mk1 sistren as GPS in order to swim to the final coordinates.

The cabals on the ground make sure that WWAN dongles and older-model computers and handhelds are easily available to the youth of these nations by distributing them at cost, doing the occasional giveaway, letting them be found in abandoned vehicles, and the like. People who build their own are, when found, encouraged to take a trip to one of your cities and look for technical work there.

Spread-spectrum technology makes your digital transceivers effectively unjammable unless either the local government or TOL are willing to kill off their own signal; while the restrictions against unlicensed broadcasting remain in place, they effectively become unenforceable. Believing governments are unwilling to just v& young hardware hackers for nonviolent crimes, although there is a spike of "reeducation schools" (at least they didn't call them camps) started in rural areas.

Your sysadmins assemble an infiltration team to be

# sent into a TOL base in a territory.

# airdropped directly into Antarctica, using the thermal cloaks to get as close as possible to the main base.

Their job is to

# live the TOL life for a full year and report back as much data as possible. To counteract the effect of addictive drugs, their metabolic extension controllers have been put in preemptive maintenance mode, and they have been issued with secondary livers delivered from the Dwarf DNA samples you obtained a few years ago.

# install a data tap, including transceivers to be able to tap into the manually switched phone network, and skedaddle. To this end, they have been provided with your latest miniaturized transceiver systems; a modified Sky Eye Mk2 will do stationkeeping in the southern ocean and act as a relay.

Designing a superheavy artillery platform that is compatible with your existing electromagnetic gun tech is relatively easy; you won't be able to build many of these, but each will be able to vomit a veritable torrent of anything you feel like up to two horizons away. Assuming it doesn't sink into the sand!

The efforts to retake Pacifica, peacefully so far, resume in earnest; your cabals assist in building a few habitats for aquatic humans up and down the coast, reestablish a cashless economy for those who still prefer one, and collaborate with Tree Of Life. The snag is that this time, the medical experimenters want a bigger say in the future government - they trust that your interests align when it comes to civil rights, but their head of security, Jeff Tolwyn, want reassurance that any bioweapon program they may or may not have been working on will not be impacted by your administration.

#?
>>
>>1128074
>airdropped directly into Antarctica, using the thermal cloaks to get as close as possible to the main base.

>Install a data tap but then live the TOL life for a full year. Each member unable to see each others face and stuff to keep a traitor from breaking it all apart.
>>
>>1128068
>>1128056
>>1128074 (You)

(Okay, change that to "SE Asia, E Europe, C Africa, S America", I was still typing)


# What will your Villains do?
>>
>>1128074
># sent into a TOL base in a territory.

># live the TOL life for a full year and report back as much data as possible. To counteract the effect of addictive drugs, their metabolic extension controllers have been put in preemptive maintenance mode, and they have been issued with secondary livers delivered from the Dwarf DNA samples you obtained a few years ago.

actual infiltration can't be airdropped.
>>
>>1128109
This.
>actual infiltration can't be airdropped.
It can.
>>
>>1128096
have Ithuriel on recruiting, Zak on hacking, Damien on monitoring the infiltration. (Fuck if only we had Quinn.) Jeb on launches.

Kat can oversee designing artillery.
>>
>>1128109

Not directly, but they can "show up" on the Antarctic shore and quietly join the new recruits waiting for induction at base. Having a dormant metabolic extension controller may have given them away 20 years ago, but these days a lot of people have one, even people who would only turn 100 after +1000. It's good lightning (or drug overdose) insurance.
>>
>>1128114
not long term infiltration, eventually a background will be checked.
>>
>>1128122
I still think it's the riskier option.
>>
>>1128128
>not long term infiltration, eventually a background will be checked.
Well of course you can;t do long term infiltration, but you were saying that you can't airdrop an infiltration team.
>>
>>1128135
the options were a wire tap and a full year undercover, the year undercover that we both chose is a long term infiltration.
>>
>>1128074
Is our electromagnetic gun tech the Coil-railgun combo weapon or is it just one of the 2?
>>
Rolled 66 (1d100)

>>1128119

Kat has a little bit too much fun working on the artillery project; ordinarily, she prefers a humanoid frame (although she tried one of the quadrupedal drones, modified into a sort of centaur; the result was a nice photo-op and an epic faceplant when the media people left) but she makes an exception while testing the prototype platform. She's a bit annoyed at the loss of her deli.

Jeb has little to contribute to the launches; to someone who's been around Mars a couple of time, they're mundane, if anything. However, he is conscious of the fact that anyone messing around with rocketry considers him a role model, and does the job very graciously. During the operation, he lets it slip that he will reach 100 soon (he has classified his age). Rumor has it that he's been spending more time than usual being intimate with Cordylon, but nobody would begrudge him that. The submersible launch has to happen from a towed barge, rather than from the artillery system, but is otherwise a success.

Ithuriel is happy to assist with recruiting; your cabals have him play Sgt. Hartman on this one, a role which he enjoys perhaps a little too much.

Zak and Damien borrow one of the other submersibles to deliver your infiltration team; the former takes the time to do a number of sonar tests.

>>1128147

The EM gun is a two-stage system; the initial impulse is given by a magnetic field while the final acceleration is through a railgun. This saves considerable power, at the price of requiring more complicated shells. A smaller system, using pneumatics for the first stage since a compressor is already available in the design, is being studied for your small drone tanks, heavy MEC frames, and spider tanks.
>>
>>1128179
When will Jeb become 99 years old?
>>
>>1128179

Ithuriel's performance as a drill sargeant is enhanced by the fact that, while he would still lose a one-on-one fight with an Angel of Yahweh, he has much better endurance than most full humans... keyword being most, as a few of the recruits manage to outperform him in one or two trials during boot camp. Needless to say, being able to beat an Angel is a huge morale booster, and your newest crop of infantry is ready for action and well disciplined. Your army is at full capacity now; it will become necessary to assign a liaison team to them

# permanently.

# as you can afford, year by year.

# picked from their own ranks so as to not take up your agents' valuable time.

Your army will see itself as

# the elite portion of the Last Army, with insignia reminiscent of TOL's.

# Nova Roma and Misrayim's military, with appropriate imperial iconography.

# Some sort of planetary defence force, with UN-inspired regalia.

# Other.

>>1128195

Jeb has chosen to classify that information.

# Ask.

# Find out by having a sysadmin do a memory peek.

# Leave alone for now.
>>
>>1128179
ask him what his endgame is.

# Some sort of planetary defence force, with UN-inspired regalia.
the imperium!
>>
>>1128200
>Some sort of planetary defence force, with UN-inspired regalia.
>Nova Roma and Misrayim's military, with appropriate imperial iconography.
Both.
We're space Rome.
>>
Actually now that i think about it, you know war our army infantry needs?
Power armor.
>>
>>1128206

"I thought about it a lot. Omega, I understand that a ship like the Reach is best piloted by a heavy MEC, but that's just not for me. I'd miss the wind on my face, the adrenaline rush of a night landing, my time with Val and Cordy. She tells me that some MECs regain the ability to orgasm, but, well, not many, and Cordy's not one of them. So as to what my endgame is... I don't know. I understand that Val is probably in Hell. I get that it's what she wanted, I mean, she led the Cosmists to us, she's probably the first of them that gets a proper space burial in nine hundred years... just..."

The test pilot turned astronaut and space program manager looks older beyond his years for the moment of a long sigh. "I don't know."
>>
>>1128221
". . . want to try and find the others?"

the last hell experiment, as Jebs last act, an attempt to reach into and interact with hell.

((can his replacement be someone more infiltration minded?))
>>
>>1128221
Will Jeb accept an MEC?
>>
File: legionary_heavy.jpg (329 KB, 1472x959)
329 KB
329 KB JPG
>>1128206
>>1128216

To differentiate your army from the WW1 and WW2 inspired fatigue that TOL has favored, you elect on an Imperial theme that borrows traits from ancient history. Since most of your drones and infantry can cooperate well for tank-desant tactics, long marches are unlikely (and are guaranteed to happen on flat terrain), so the standard infantry kit can afford to be somewhat heavy, including a polymer shield resistant to small arms. The infantry's job is to screen your specialist units: Desolators, martial artists, and so on.

# Sounds good.

# No, change this.

>>1128289

He is "wearing" one, he's just not looking forward to it tripping, at all.

>>1128288

"Heh. Ever the utilitarian, Omega. Guess my motivation score is high enough that there's no point in wasting energy trying to cheer me up, eh? Keep it that way, I've had a wonderful life so far and don't need synthetic sympathy. But no, I don't want to go to Hell any more than anyone sane wants to. But if I had half a chance to get Val out, you bet your shiny metal ass I would."
>>
>>1128288
Oh that's a good idea, a really good idea.
Reposting my ideas since we might do this.

>Make a drill and cover it with runes, hang it above the hellmouth then open the mouth and dig to hell.
>Stab an angel in the heart/chest with a sacrificial knife then trow the body down the hellmouth.
>purposely let MEC's go crazy from hellpain then wire them to the hellmouth.
Anti chooses which plans he wants to work with.

>>1128305
>Sounds good.
Here is some music for our space legionaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBbWb90pUgo
>>
>>1128305
>Sounds good.
>>
>>1128305
love it.

"we'll get them out, someday. all of them, I swear by it."

>>1128319
great music. soundtrack approved.

my actual plan was connect a MEC to the hell nodes, then when they are about to trip while in the middle of the hellmouth, let them die, trip the mec, only the pain removing part, life support minimal, and then try and have them communicate back what they see.

doesn't have to be Jeb, just someone borderline suicidal and psychotic.
>>
>>1128305
># Sounds good.
all infantry, martial artist and these guys, will have a Add to dwarven weapon right?
>>
>>1128338
Good plan.
>>
Wait! everyone why aren't we asking the dwarves for armor and shields
>>
>>1128319
Forgot a plan.
>add more nodes to the hellnodes until it's as sentient as a dog/monkey, then connect them to the hellmouth and tell it to bark.
>>
Wait, did we tell the automatic base to do something this turn?
>>
>>1128384
have them churn out arms and armor.
>>
>>1128387
And MEC drones.
>>
>>1128220

That's another long-range project....

>>1128288
>>1128319
>>1128338

Jeb is just the person who would literally go to Hell if that's what it took, but his current understanding is that Hell is some sort of insanity-inducing psychic loop: he's not sure about Hell being a physical place, from what he's heard.

"I have a few years. But I will think about it."

>>1128344
>>1128370


Dwarves have excellent armor, but it's nothing you can't make yourself; the blades are a different story - while your metallurgists were able to replicate them, it was only at immense cost and time, using ionic deposition. How Urist's people are making them on an assembly line is beyond them. Some suspect that they aren't made on an assembly line at all, they're just all handmade and the tolerances are that good.

Your deal with Urist includes gladii or throwing axes for some of your elite troops, yes. Martial artists have been given a more form-fitting uniform that can be shed quickly (it's not much good against Angels) and, even if not shed, allows for almost complete freedom of movement.

One of your sysadmins asks about the cross emblem. The designer dryly notes that it's a reminder. "Not to the warrior. To the Opponent. Yahwists have knelt before the symbol of their own defeat for three thousand years!"
>>
>>1128305
"I wish that it was possible too, but from every perverted experiment and idea I have tried nothing has came close to working.


Now, as to keeping you alive for a little while longer, you are aware of the relation between distance from earth and the time of god-initiated death? Effectively we need to find out when humans die as they go away from earth.

Val gave us the first data point, I ask that you give us the second and after you only one more will be needed. Then we will know where is safe.


Alternatively we could place you into cryological storage and launch you on the cargoship along side the Reach for it's final journey. I don't know if that would make you live but it is worth a shot...

Or you could go and live out in the asteroid belt and at the very least metaphorically and somewhat literally be with Val one more time before death."
>>
>>1128387
Seriously let's pay them handsomely to outfit our army. Call up Urist
>>
>>1128370
maybe we are, in fact can we ask them? we make better tech stuff.

>>1128394
nah, he has a mec implant, here's hoping he uses it.

"well. Jeb, whatever you decide to do, one day, we're getting them out of hell, we're restoring the sense of touch, and were going to undo all the damage Tyrant did, even if it take ten thousand year of exile in the stars."
>>
>>1128394

"I can do that." You can tell that Jeb relishes going as far out as possible while still alive, even if it means dealing with the aftermath of death by himself. "Sign me up. The asteroids? Titan?"

He asks for a year, an engineering team, and a logistics team to prepare, and reveals that he will turn 100 in 1990. He was younger than you thought - barely a child when he started flying.
>>
(End year? I gotta get some food in me. The laser stuff was more tiring than the final product looks)
>>
>>1128393
OK I say we make a deal with Urist where they craft us a multi use Melee tool. Similar to trench Weaponry for our baseline infantry.
>>
>>1128421
War Shovels eh? start rounding up the spetznaz?
>>
>>1128429
>>1128421

(Wurp, I forgot the infiltration writeup! orz )

Urist is thoroughly amused at your request, and readily agrees to it. "Teach your guys how to swing a pick, maybe, too!"
>>
Rolled 44, 49, 25 = 118 (3d100)

The infiltration project is ambitious: Zak and Damien release two intel team from the submarine, one to install a comm relay, and the other to pretend to be TOL screened recruits and live in the big base for a year. Forging the paperwork is trivial; making it look like your guys don't stand out by not having been on amphetamines for a while is a little more difficult, and requires the help of some permanent makeup. Since there is no night, the electric inflatable boat arrives under cover of fog, and your infiltrators use their active camouflage systems as close as they dare; Damien has the submarine fire a few shots at nothing and launch one of the old Mk1 Sky Eyes at the canopy, just to give the TOL coastal patrol something else to look at.
>>
>>1128512
We also forgot to assign the automatic base in Greenland to do something.
>>1128384
>>1128387
>>1128392
>>
>>1128512
"haha, good one Urist. but really, the real issue is locking the damn mountain after we lock down Tango Divinity."

((don't forget, TOL attacking is a possibility, If we succeed we need to lock it down tighter than Alcatraz.))
>>
>>1128551

The submersible does not, alas, make a clean getaway: one of the coastal patrol boats bumps into it, and to avoid a shooting incident, Zak explains that she is conducting sea trials under Damien's captaincy. The ship's logs and the copious notes about sonar performance agree, and Damien is able to explain the relative lack of crew on the submersible by showing the TOL coasties how a Heavy MEC can "become" a large vehicle such as a ship. The submersible eventually manages to get back to base, with some embarassment, but not before having to allow TOL coasties to conduct a thorough inspection and take plenty of pictures. Two days later, the hacking team lights up their beacon and reports that the infiltrators are inside the main TOL base; the hackers have wired up part of TOL's telephone network to a relay buoy. "We should be able to listen in on something interesting based on voice recognition" the hacker leader reports "but the transmitter is noisy; they'll likely find it after one or two uses. The infiltrators have been ordered to file reports using text only, the hope is that burst transmissions will just show up as static glitches."

# Review the infiltrator reports over the year in detail.

# Just the executive summary, no distractions.

The infiltrators

# may

# may not

use the relay to call for an early evac.
>>
>>1128610

(Admittedly this is where having Quinn would have allowed a lot more latitude. Alas. Ithuriel is more charismatic and a better fighter, but wouldn't exactly be able to pass for TOL, while Quinn would've just needed a new face)
>>
>>1128610
># Review the infiltrator reports over the year in detail.

># may not

Arrange a different exit strategy.
>>
>>1128610
>Review the infiltrator reports over the year in detail.

>may not, different way out.
>>
File: iu[1].jpg (291 KB, 533x400)
291 KB
291 KB JPG
>>1128610
>>1128753

* We've made it inside the base! The amount of military hardware stockpiled here is staggering. Tanks and jeeps and rigs of every size. We have seen a few Katyusha rocket launchers, so they do have modern artillery.

* This place is cavernous, much bigger than Night City. They have been here for centuries. They dug down far enough that everything runs on geothermal power. They grow food here, but not enough. Small cargo ships from all over.

* Most secondary systems are slowly failing. If a phone exchange craps out they just pluck some runts from the caves, give them a hat, and make them play messenger. Class system using color code clearance levels. Our access is limited.

* Local leaders have a lot of power. Commissars for work brigade, too. Brutal.

* Monday seems to be running the show. Military-first slogans everywhere. Seen little of the other Seven. Seen nothing of Sunday.

* Massive meth labs. Dirty but efficient. Outlying bases must procure food and raw materials in return for drugs.

* TOL grunts/peons told that Satan will reverse the judgement, not halt it. World still ends, Yahweh in Hell, TOLers in Heaven-On-Earth. Description matches Revelations, just roles reversed.

* Spike fell into a smelting vat. Our work brigade is expected to work undermanned and keep quota. Some of the mines under the ice are still active - metals, sulfur, perchlorates.

* Sunday only comunicates thru video messages. A few clips got played out twice during an interview. People here too tired or amped up to notice. NC possible? We suspect a coup by Monday.

* Commissar shot Bob. Immediately beat commissar to death in front of work brigade. Got offered his job. Took it.

* TOL elite lives better. Amphetamine, heroin use rampant. Was pressured to partake. If generator craps out in executive area they yank one out from the slums and install a slave hamster wheel there. All skilled personnel works on war vehicles or ships.

* Few warships. Lots of transport vessels. Got reprimanded for going easy on work brigade.

* TOL ruling class do not have Mk10 MECs. Zombify like everyone else.

* TOL ruling class believes same as TOL peons re: after victory.

* Big speech by Monday. Intends to coopt Legion of Light and attack early (993?). No video - toured slums and barracks to make it. Still no sign of Sunday other than on video snippets.

* Massive zombie pens. Kept in the ice, low metabolism, otherwise mostly left to rot, fed expired food.

* Saw cryo chambers. Many broken, some working. Some competent personnel supervising.

* Streamlined work brigade production somewhat to avoid executions. No reprimand or praise.

* Gianna's cover compromised. Shot her myself to keep cover. She didn't cry.

* Thursday found dead at desk. Overwork/dose. State funeral, peons allowed to party, double rations. No replacement installed.

* Loyalty purge coming. Will probably be compromised. Only one left in team. Will try to escape.

"That was the last transmission."
>>
>>1128843
>Monday seized controlled.

What did Monday do?
>>
>>1128872

"Sunday" is The Other Light's regent, until Satan arrives, at least in theory; he's in charge of the entire operation. "Monday" is the general of their army.
>>
>>1128843
"A shame to lose such loyal members of our force. Still though they knew the risks."


>>1128872
Well, I if I was a dictator-in-the-making I would probably kill my associate.

However the existence of massive cryo-vaults and the general nature of Tol makes me think that he might have him secured away.
>>
>>1128843
>Saw cryo chambers. Many broken, some working. Some competent personnel supervising.
Did they transmit the location of the cryochambers, and if the cryochambers had the moon officers family members?
>>
>>1128892

The personnel that supported the infiltrators mostly take the early retirement that you offer; widows and widowers will receive a generous pension.

# Keep the report to your core personnel.

# Generate an "independent documentary reconstruction" using moviemaking techniques, and allow it to spread unofficially.

# Fuck it, expose TOL's modus operandi to the whole world, even if it risks a war.

>>1128917

Yes, you have coordinates for the cryochambers, all the transmissions were location-coded (indicating that the Antarctic base is indeed huge, incidentally); you don't know who's in there or not though, the visit was short.
>>
>>1128940
# Keep the report to your core personnel.


Let's not prevoke this, it will end worse than the Balkans...
>>
>>1128940
>Generate an "independent documentary reconstruction" using moviemaking techniques, and allow it to spread unofficially.
>>
>>1128940
>Fuck it, expose TOL's modus operandi to the whole world, even if it risks a war.
This is my goal, use what we found out to declare war on TOL.
And since we're going to war i should post our strategy.
We should focus on bleeding the TOL army be using our superior tech and guerrilla hit and run strategies to cause more casualties on their side than ours, our battles should be primarily fought with MEC drones and vehicles to prevent casualties.
Dealing with Zombie MEC's is easy, just have some sniper teams with thermal cloaks snipe the controllers to cause the Zombie hoards to become disorganized, we can even lure such hordes to TOL soldiers.
Sabotage teams will be sent to TOL bases to do these
>Sabotage communications, they must also track messenger paths so we can intercept them.
>Sabotage weapons production.
>install doubt on the peons.
>Locate more incriminating information.
>>
>>1129016
I must disagree.


From all we have seen, TOL will be disintegrated. Us fighting them costs us valuable time and resources.


So essentially unless we want or need some of their assets, we gain more by not fighting them. As they act as a distraction for the christians from our efforts.
>>
>>1129016

Say we get into a big firefight with TOL. And then what? We win, because TOL are scrubs, but it will cost us most of our army and most importantly all our time, so when it's +1000 we limp into Jerusalem with the five cabals and two tanks we have left? Plus TOL has bases everywhere and a big transport navy. We have 1 country and 5-6 submarines.

>>1128960

this.

>>1128971

We've been doing good with the sneaky approach so far, why stop now.

How about calling Monday and threatening to make a documentary? What do we want from TOL other than them fucking off away from us?

>>1129066

THIS.
>>
>>1129066
Incorrect, Sunday has attempted to sabotage our space efforts and is most likely to attempt to do so again, while the Monday usurpation might be a good thing, i suspect it might be fake, and even if true Monday might also me under effect of NC as he suspiciously decided to start the war on the same year some of our theorists have said the final battle would begin, they will try to fuck us over again and it's better if they are destroyed before they succeed.
>>1129072
My strategy for fighting TOL is to use superior Tech and strategy to quickly defeat TOL before we have too many casualties, our Greenland and Rome automatic bases can be assigned to constantly produce drones and vehicles to reduce casualties.
Their transport navy is easy to destroy if we ramp up our own navy this turn, and we can also set up kill zones on beaches to prevent them from reinforcing their soldiers from the sea.
This plan will grant us victory with minimal cost.
>>
i'll provide my two cents soon.
>>
I think we should keep the video, there's no doubt that TOL will not tolerate our capture and holding, but what can NOT be denied is that they have the military strength and lack of rationality to attack us and remove our chances of locking down tyrant.
>>
>>1129251
>but what can NOT be denied is that they have the military strength and lack of rationality to attack us and remove our chances of locking down tyrant.
I deny this(The "Remove our chances of locking down tyrant" bit), while they have the numerical superiority we have superior tech, and if we preform decisive battles using superior strategy we can destroy their soldiers and they will have no advantage left.
>>
>>1128216
>space Rome
>>1129300
>I deny this(The "Remove our chances of locking down tyrant" bit), while they have the numerical superiority we have superior tech, and if we preform decisive battles

Okay, you want to play this out like a Roman? Then it's DIVIDE ET IMPERA. We have TWO bands of religious nuts that we have to fight. OK one of them has actual God on their side but whatever. Do we want to let them fight each other and then beat up the survivor or do we want to stupidly take them both on? What would Caesar do? DIVIDE ET IMPERA.
>>
>>1129375
*sinister grin.* DIVIDE ET IMPERA THEN! once TOL has engaged and before they completely lose their forces / before they are wiped out by TJ, we release out attack in the midst of the fight! Capturing tyrant and keeping him as the defensive line while we push out and route the TOLers! our positioning allows for such an attack and we know for a fact that TOL can't stand up to a serious tank push and recover fast enough to avoid being destroyed by a sudden second wave.
>>
>>1129375
>Do we want to let them fight each other and then beat up the survivor or do we want to stupidly take them both on?
The problem here is that both the believers and TOL want us dead or subjugated, Sunday declared that anyone who leaves earth is an enemy of humanity and from >>1127211
Monday has the same sentiments, they both, and most likely the rest of TOL leadership, want us to stop our space efforts if not completely destroy all our space assets, they are still an enemy, not an ally, and it would be better for us if they were destroyed.
>>
>>1129414

>destroy all our space assets

so what? they'd have to get their launch ramp back, AND build missiles, AND get them to hit (maybe they can put kamikazes on?), AND they don't have atomic motors so they'd take months to get to mars. Let's park the big ship around the moon that way we can see them coming and move it? We have infinite fuel they don't.

I vote for

>Generate an "independent documentary reconstruction" using moviemaking techniques, and allow it to spread unofficially.

why? because it trolls TOL enough to make them sweat but not enough to make them attack us. And more people will go to us instead of TOL even if TOL says it's fake news.
>>
>>1129472
>>1129414
>>1129408
>>1129066
>>1128971

(I don't wanna be an asshole but can you pick one please? It's been 90 minutes. OK to tally votes?)
>>
>>1129472
They can still try to destroy our launch base or even the canopy station, and it might not be just our space stuff that angers them enough to try to attack us, what if they find out about our silencer tech and declare war on us?
They are still hostile to us.
>>
>>1129488
Sorry giest.
># Keep the report to your core personnel.

we got caught up with bigger picture, does GJ still have Armed and Militant MFers?
>>
>>1129488
I am willing to go for either the independent documentary reconstruction or keeping the report to our core personnel.
>>
>>1129488
>Fuck it, expose TOL's modus operandi to the whole world, even if it risks a war.
Use it as an excuse for war.
>>
>>1129545

The Millennium Force remain unarmed, but are pretty militant and have been instrumental in shutting down the internet in various territories. Your historians indicate that their role is similar of that of the Blackshirts during Fascism: they will push the hard line version of government policy, either allowing the government to mediate and appear like the rational arbiter, or dealing with a problem without the shackles of law.

Most recently, MF have been running Children of the Tribulation - affiliated "reeducation schools" to mitigate the problem of a large percentage of youth being unwilling to trust in Jesus as their King, partially because the choices are "let the world end before I'm old enough to drive, and spend my short life on a farm in Kansas" and "let's not, plus you can go be an astronaut and own a farm on Mars if you want to do farming at all".

Statistics show that for the first time since the Rapture, the current (and likely last) generation may be majority-unbeliever. This would fit with the prophecy stating that Christians will once again be the minority, for however little time, before the Last Battle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bss5Ijpz6E
>>1129546
>>1129545
>>1129594

(So which is it?)
>>
>>1129594
wanting to go to full blown war against TOL is literally suicide.
>>
>>1129600
>So which is it?
My vote is still for war, they have repeatedly tried to fuck us and they will continue to do so.
>>
>>1129628
No it's not, i have already explained my plan on how to go to war against TOL and come out on top, if you have criticisms of my plan you can voice them.
>>
>>1129600
Keep it to ourselves, No point in starting a war yet... However, If we ambush them when they go to start the battle and use it to our advantage.
>>
>>1129655
At that point using it won't do anything.
>>
>>1129666
You're right Satan, Which is why we use it to launch our OWN attack on both factions to capture TJ and Satan.
>>
remember, when TJ Opens his mouth, it's all over, so the second TJ stands up and is about to speak, he must be hit with a flying silencer drone.
>>
>>1129678
That won't work, using the incriminating evidence in the final battle won't have nearly as much impact on people compared to doing it now.
It'll work but not very well.
>>
>>1129698
were not talking about using "incriminating evidence." were talking about using our military and planning to swiftly BTFO TOL and TJ at the climax of the final battle.
>>
>>1129693
That just made me realize something, if we have to silence TJ before he opens his mouth the TOL army will still be fully functional, Satan too, this means we will have to deal with TJ, destroy TOL and prevent Satan from usurping God's throne and just doing the reverse paradise earth.
>>
>>1129706
Why can't we use our military and planning to swiftly BTFO TOL now?
It would be easier to do it >>1129716
>>
>>1129716
all the more reason to focus on military.

what we should do now is hold the blanket statement that the Legion of Light is not a part of TOL and never will be, and while we will be willing to work to stop TJ our interest are completely and utterly in conflict.
>>
>>1129727
>all the more reason to focus on military.
It's also the more reason to attack TOL now, that way we remove TOL, then remove Satan when he is released and finally remove TJ in the final battle.
>>
>>1129747
Ok, i'll put this in the most simple terms possible, with extra allcaps. OUR MILITARY MIGHT IS NOT ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT TOL AND STILL HAVE THE MANPOWER TO CAN TJ AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME.

after at the least Five years of Gathering military might to compete with TOL, then we can possibly take them on. but it would have to be dedicated gathering of military might.
>>
>>1129783
>OUR MILITARY MIGHT IS NOT ENOUGH TO TAKE OUT TOL AND STILL HAVE THE MANPOWER TO CAN TJ AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME.
THAT IS COMPLETELY WRONG.
If we completely reveal the incriminating evidence to the world we gain recruits from people who want to destroy TOL and some of TOL's army will be demoralized, if we then attack them on the same turn the sudden attack will be too quick and unexpected for them to properly set up defenses, if we use our superior tech and strategy we can severely reduce if not destroy their numerical advantage, we won't be losing our men if we mostly use drones and focus on guerrilla hit and run tactics.
At worst we would lose a few army dot's and a cabal or 2, which is fixed by destroying TOL and assimilating what is left+recruiting drives during and after the war.
>>
>>1129824
how much of a recruitment boost is it if we reveal TOLs plan to pull a reverse judgement day, because i'm fairly certain that it would result in both sides gaining a recruitment boost. a LOT of the non-believing population would likely dance at the thought of flipping the "final punishment" onto the believers, rather then outright ending this apocalypse.
>>
File: iu[1].jpg (89 KB, 800x533)
89 KB
89 KB JPG
Early in the year, TOL stragglers are collected from their canopy station - their supplies have run out, and their hydroponic facility was not quite up to keeping them self-sufficient for more than a few months. You can't really use the TOL astronauts for much, they are poorly trained. However, you do "inherit" what looks like a missile-launcher hovercraft truck designed to operate on smooth ice; the front section looks like it's made out of one of your Sonic Piledrivers.

Your analysts estimate that if effort is put in next year, Pacifica will be ripe for takeover the following year.

>>1129842

In that sense, TOL has a more satisfying story to offer than you do. The difference of course that they are offering a story, whereby you're offering something more measurable.
>>
File: lbq situation.png (151 KB, 1800x968)
151 KB
151 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 26 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems, 1 is canopy security, and 1 is army liaison, so 21 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on a starship bubble shield. Your military grant is focused on heavy artillery.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL have set up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage. You have built an interplanetary ferry.

Freelancers are beginning to populate the colonies.

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>>
>>1129842
how much of a recruitment boost is it if we reveal TOLs plan to pull a reverse judgement day, because I'm fairly certain that it would result in both sides gaining a recruitment boost. a LOT of the non-believing population would likely dance at the thought of flipping the "final punishment" onto the believers, rather then outright ending this apocalypse.
No they wouldn't, a lot of nonbelievers are nonbelievers because they don't want to live under God's tyranny, if they join TOL and help Satan usurp God they would be trading one tyrant for another.
I do agree that some nonbelievers will join TOL because they want to flip the prophecy, but the number will be minimal, we would also be releasing the treatment of the TOL peons which will discourage any who want to join TOL, they'll be disgusted by the living and working conditions that they are most likely to be in if they join.
>>1129874
>In that sense, TOL has a more satisfying story to offer than you do. The difference of course that they are offering a story, whereby you're offering something more measurable.
Also this, we have great propaganda and our ship can be seen.
>>
>>1129880
I'm sorry but i can't decide how our cabals are assigned until i know if we're going to war this turn or not.
>>
>>1129880
We ever get that tunnel to the temple finished? I thought we had that set up for a instant kill shot more or less?

Also I say we focus on military build up, work on regaining pacifica once more and make sure the space things are good to go
>>
>>1129904

Last year's Feast of Tabernacles was unremarkable; your efforts to ensure that there is a Sky Eye based "backbone" for the internet have caused various volunteer groups and startups in cities to set up last-mile infrastructure setups, so that connectivity in most cities is once again guaranteed - albeit a lot slower than it used to be; in many territories 56k connections, modem hisses and couriering data discs rules the day again. The intel you have acquired in Antarctica is confirmed by the fact that TOL bases have erected large transmitters pretty much everywhere they could.

An oddity is that while the Temple ruling is not reversed, there is a significant debate in believing circles on whether it would be good for the youths' souls to allow rural internet access again, so that they may be reached. A proposal to build an alternate network is briefly floated, and rejected - instead, believers are offered "the data network experience" via a form of videotext. A few people in small villages across believing territories approve of this, seemingly forgetting that they had coax to the home just twenty years ago.

>>1129923

The tunnel network has reached the limit of Greater Jerusalem's bedrock; at the time you decided to wait before going further.

Your political analysts estimate that it will be possible to hold a proper election in Pacifica next year, if work is put in this year to make it possible.

>>1128220

Do MECs with cybernetics, and heavies with battleframes, count?
>>
>>1129955
>Do MECs with cybernetics, and heavies with battleframes, count?
If your talking about a super strong humanoid soldier then yes, if your talking about a suit that enhances a soldiers capabilities then no.
>>
>>1129955
Quick question, does
>Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).
also include taking over or destroying TOL bases?
>>
>>1129983

No, that is a contested action; at least five cabals are recommended for a takeover. A fight would depend on how much of your army you are willing to commit (in dots) vs. how much of their army is there.

Note that an overt fight may start an all-out war.
>>
>>1129904
war it out soon, but not yet. something that must be done first.

>>1129880
># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
large massive fucking tanks. twelve cabals.

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
Six Cabals Kat and Ithuriel. lets see if we can train Ithuriel in the arts of modern warfare.

># Begin building a base somewhere.
3 Cabals, Damien Jeb and Zak. put it in Egypt, Weapons factory.

>The tunnel network has reached the limit of Greater Jerusalem's bedrock; at the time you decided to wait before going further.

can we use anything to measure the distance on that and determine how long it would take to breach the surface without doing it.

>Greenland automated base
Produce the last aerospace parts for the measuring system incase jeb or another mec'd human volunteers.

Egypt Civilians are encouraged to try and find out if they can qualify for the mars colony. also whats with the grey dots there?
>>
>>1129993
>war it out soon, but not yet. something that must be done first.
The war has to at least be next turn.

># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>large massive fucking tanks. twelve cabals.
Would be better if we build more navy dot's to destroy TOL's sea transports and blockade their Antarctica base.

>can we use anything to measure the distance on that and determine how long it would take to breach the surface without doing it.
Pretty sure we have placed a sky eye on top of Jerusalem once, we can just use that to measure the rest of the distance.
>>
>>1130014
>fucking tanks. twelve cabals.Would be better if we build more navy dot's to destroy TOL's
we can split it then, 1 for navy, and 1 for MFT.

see what the Dwarves have in mind when it comes to mechanical infantry and tanks.
>>
>>1129993

You can only assign six cabals to heavy weapons production, since you only have one arsenal.

>>1129993

The grey dots represent colonists that got there through the public-access program rather than having been vetted by you.

>>1130014
>>1129993

The modified Sky Eye that was put above the Temple is long gone; you can put another one up again, but it will not last many years. The same goes for any pseudosatellite you place above Antarctica. There is such a thing as lightning bolts and high-altitude flak rocket barrages after all...
>>
>>1130031
Alright, let's split it.
I'll support your orders if you support going to war against TOL next turn.
>>
>>1130036
alright then, give me a moment to adjust for the lack of the other base this turn.
>>
>>1130036
>You can only assign six cabals to heavy weapons production, since you only have one arsenal.
Well shit.
>The modified Sky Eye that was put above the Temple is long gone.
That's fine, but can we use the old data to see how many more miles we need to dig to reach Jerusalem?
>>
>>1129993
># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
large massive war boat. Six Cabals. Damien and weaver on paid contract.

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
Six Cabals Kat and Ithuriel. lets see if we can train Ithuriel in the arts of modern warfare.

># Begin building a base somewhere.
3 Cabals, Damien Jeb and Zak. put it in Egypt, Weapons factory.

>The tunnel network has reached the limit of Greater Jerusalem's bedrock; at the time you decided to wait before going further.

can we use anything to measure the distance on that and determine how long it would take to breach the surface without doing it.

>Greenland automated base
Produce the last aerospace parts for the measuring system incase jeb or another mec'd human volunteers.

># Recruit a new cabal.
Five.

># Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.
one Cabal.
>>
>>1130081
>large massive war boat.
Don't build that, build several ships designed to hunt TOL ships instead.
>>
>>1130093
I can see the advantage to that. this then.
>>
>>1130101
Alright then.
Supporting >>1130081
>>
>>1130081
If the aerospace part isn't needed for the death time measurement can we use it to build a sky eye artillery ship?
>>
>>1130048

Earth has been seismically stable; you can use the old data for an estimate.

>>1130135

Yes. IIRC the research had already been done.
>>
>>1130155
>Yes. IIRC the research had already been done.
I was asking the other anon but still, excellent.
Do we need an extra aerospace part to measure the death time in space?
>>
>>1130171
for sending out a capsule with someone in it, I would think so.

Geist?
>>
>>1130171
>>1130180

Yes, since it would require being away for weeks or months, so a small capsule like the ones used for lunar operation wouldn't be sufficient. It may be most efficient to tie that effort to further colonization past Mars, so that the capsule can be used as a hab by future colonists who aren't squeamish about things like phantom spacemen.
>>
>>1130081

Weaver is having sufficient fun with the submersible, and isn't particularly interested in helping in person, partly because she likes Damien personally but found working with the heavy to be somewhat grating. She's happy that you're finally putting together a proper navy, and offers some suggestions when it comes to your needs:

# extremely fast ekranoplans that would be almost impossible for escorts to catch, but very fragile.

# fast hovercraft that have most of an ekranoplan's speed advantage, while being able to limp home if the air cushion is damaged.

# conventional cruisers that should be able to get into a slugfest with TOL warships and win by attrition.

# more submarines, obviously: who said that modern navies are composed of subs and targets?

# fragile but cheap rocket-launching barges that can put up be towed by existing tugs, put up canopy cameras, and leverage your GPS tech to engage TOL ships from beyond the horizon.
>>
>>1130276
># more submarines, obviously: who said that modern navies are composed of subs and targets?

whats our current submarine design?
>>
>>1130276
>conventional cruisers that should be able to get into a slugfest with TOL warships and win by attrition.
Although keep that fast hovercraft design, they seem good.
>>
>>1130284

Your current submarine design should best be called a submersible, since it's designed to only dive to a shallow depth and remain on the surface for normal operation; while it does feature nuclear engines, it doesn't have all the extra features that a pre-Rapture military sub does. However, it does feature a batysphere (for scouting the deeps) and, in addition to torpedo tubes, your standard heavy electromagnetic cannon. (See >>1127195 )
>>
>>1130303
ok, were going to have to produce a fleet of dedicated torpedo warfare Subs. ones that can outdo Germany when It comes to sinking ships.
>>
>>1130326
I'll change my vote to this.
>>
>>1130276
Cruisers
>>
Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>1130337
>>1130326

Your Mk2 subs are smaller and more agile than the Mk1s, forgoing the guns in order to carry more torpedos; they are organized so that a Mk1 can act as a sort of mothership for two or three Mk2s as far as food supplies are concerned. From Nova Roma's arsenal, the new navy units begin training in wolf-pack tactics.

# Accept Weaver's offer of a war game, one such pack of 3 subs against her own modified Mk1. Torpedos will be fired without warheads to ensure minimal damage, and ballistic designators will be used instead of cannons.

# Refuse; you will be fighting surface ships, not another sub, and you would waste time and learn nothing.

>>1130081

Kat and Ithuriel get along relatively well; Ithuriel has no problem with things like fire-and-maneuver and combined arms, but the concept of a ruse of war more or less completely evades him; the Angel has the world's worst poker face. This year's crop of recruits seem to mostly be kids from other territories.
>>
>>1130402
>Accept Weaver's offer of a war game, one such pack of 3 subs against her own modified Mk1. Torpedos will be fired without warheads to ensure minimal damage, and ballistic designators will be used instead of cannons.
I recall a post that mentioned Weaver was attacked by a TOL sub.
>>
>>1130402
># Accept Weaver's offer of a war game, one such pack of 3 subs against her own modified Mk1. Torpedos will be fired without warheads to ensure minimal damage, and ballistic designators will be used instead of cannons.

remind me to have the military grant work on a solution to sea mines.
>>
>>1130402

Unfortunately, Kat and Ithuriel have to send a lot of prospective new recruits home, mostly due to age. (+1 army dot). Even so, the best and brightest are further screened by your recruiters to be added to your agent roster.

Space operations continue apace, even with Jeb only marginally involved while he scouts Misrayim for a place to build a new arsenal

# near Timbuktu.

# on the Atlantic, Mediterranean, or Red Sea coasts.

# in the interior.

The Imperium Profugus makes another trip to Mars and drops off another group of colonists, some of which start branching out from the original base site. This latest group has brought along a few flatcats bought from Pacifica. The security cabal rotation happens on schedule, improving your people's ability to handle the rigors of space.

Speaking of Pacifica, without a decisive push on your part the government regains some ground; while it has proven to be impossible for them to shut down the internet again, they do manage to corner broadcast media by shutting down the TOL transmitter there. Under Ely LeVey's leadership, Pacifican radio and TV ends up broadcasting absolutely shmaltzy propaganda, but quantity substitutes for quality. Notably, the few fledgling aquatic human colonies are given squatter status where they are, and forced by police and coast guard to move back on land; despite TOL lowering prices on extensive body mods, a few people abandon the experiment.

>>1130412
>>1130414


Damien enjoys being pitted against Weaver for a war game; the two play cat-and-mouse all over the Mediterranean, giving rise to rumours of war in the adjacent territories as electromagnetic guns thunder in the distance. Surprisingly, Damien is the victor, having one of the three subs left when Weaver's is "sunk".

You build a Hab for the asteroid belt, and start asking around if anyone wants to volunteer to spend their deathday alone for the advantage of space science.
>>
>>1130476

# End year.

# Wait.
>>
>>1130476
># in the interior.

># Wait.
start screening around Pacifica for a "Trump" Style Candidate. someone who's been in Pacifica for a long time and been studying the political climate for a long time, and recognizes TOL and GJ as poor for everybody. lastly and most importantly were going to release the TOL video and Have "Legion of Light" distance themselves from TOL.
>>
>>1130482
>End year.
Alright, time for the opening move.
First we expose TOL's modus operandi.
Then we attack.
My plan is to leave 5 infantry units to defend our Territory, 3 in pacifica, Greenland and Egypt, 2 in west Europe, we have the rest of the army units attack the west America TOL base from Pacifica, the islands from Australia and west Europe from nova Rome.
Not sure about what units the attacks should have, but the 2 navy units should be split and sent to support the attack on the island and hunting TOL transport ships.
>>
>>1130523

# Scan for a Trump style candidate.

# Scan for a candidate who knows and understands politics.

# Do both.

Jeb figures that building a base near Timbuktu would improve its defensibility but also make it a bigger target, and there's no need for another arsenal; the new base will be built in the Sahara. He makes a few agreements with Bedouin revivalists that have settled in the area, and begins construction.

With no official involvement from you other than use of a few nodes for CGI, the documentary has no pretense of having been filmed in Antarctica, and it's made clear that it is presented as a reconstruction/reenactment. Reactions are mixed: TOL denounces it as slander, unsurprisingly, and believing media refuses to air it because it's too violent and does not have a clear message, although a few Christian critic praise the journalistic effort. Happily, this causes Cameron Kirk Williams to want to do an expose on a TOL base; with any luck, either the TOLers or the Glorified reporter will get hurt in the process.

>>1130552

# Rush and attack this year.

# Perform preliminary troop movement and enter readiness this year, and attack next year.
>>
>>1130576
>Perform preliminary troop movement and enter readiness this year, and attack next year.
>>
>>1130576
># Perform preliminary troop movement and enter readiness this year, and attack next year.


what I'm asking for is a candidate the not so much understands politics but one who can effectively point out a problem and suggest a viable solution. ones in our favor.
>>
This year's Feast of Tabernacles is somber; a Temple priest announces that once again the end times are nearing, and rumours of war have returned to the land. Ely LeVey travels with the Pacifican delegation in person, and receives many accolades for her missionary work; even Tsion is mollified.

The Millennium Force announce that they will form a volunteer defense group and begin to offer right-to-bear-arms classes to the faithful: of course the Lord's elect need no army, but it never hurts to be prepared.

Chaim Rozenweig has finally managed to figure out that the super-grain was artificial; since it's also considerably more flavorless, he begins leading a campaign to get rid of it.

>>1130599

Your search for a Renzi-style technocratic candidate who can garner enough respect from all the factions in Pacifica despite culminates in the location of Mr. Bissattini, an advocate of intraterritorial federalism. His claim is that there's no reason why somebody living in Orange County should be governed under the same rules as somebody living in the San Francisco Bay. The man is somewhat of an eccentric, but he does have a small following; Tree Of Life are neutral towards him. He's in his early nineties.
>>
>>1130585
>>1130599

To nobody's surprise, Ithuriel volunteers to join the army fulltime; your sysadmins tell him to hold off.

Your troop movements do not go unnoticed, and you pick up an increase in TOL radio activity, some of which can be deciphered as surprise that you are going along with Monday's plan to attack early.
>>
>>1130630
>That sudden militarization by the believers.
Oh boy my spider senses are tingling.
>>
>>1130642
>some of which can be deciphered as surprise that you are going along with Monday's plan to attack early.
HEHHEHEHEEHE.
>>
>>1130630
This could work.
>>1130642
this is going to be a fucking shitshow and a party all at once.
>>
End year?
>>
>>1130680
end year, and I'm about to pass out.
>>
>>1130680
Yes.
>>
>>1130476
I thought we were focusing on getting pacifica to work agina? And I wanted to see those mermaids make it, damn it all.
>>
Reposting my war and hound drone designs.


Hound Drone.
Inspired by wolfenstein's panzerhund.
>Basically a dog/panther robot.
>Can carry everything the golf cart drone can.
>Pneumatic ram on it's front legs.
>Jaw has the PSI power of a crocodile on steroids.(A crocodile's bite is 3,700 PSI btw)
>Wubber in the mouth so it can use it's roar as a weapon.
>Tendril/Tentacle tongue to the mouth, like a resident evil licker.


Hovering war drone.
>A big sphere, size of a small car.
>Hover tech on it's bottom and back(And adjustment thusters on X,Y,Z axix points.) let's it traverse terrain fast and easy, including rivers and lakes.
>Lethal weapons on it's sides(machine guns, autocannons,wubbers, rail/gauss guns or neutron guns), internal wubbers on it's X,Y and Z points granting it a defense from angel's and nonlethal means to incapacitate.
See Theseus's drone in the beginning of hive queen quest for image.
>>
File: lbq situation.png (157 KB, 1800x968)
157 KB
157 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems, 1 is canopy security, and 1 is army liaison, so 22 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on a starship bubble shield. Your military grant is focused on sea mines.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL have set up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage.

Freelancers are beginning to populate the colonies.

Variable complexity:

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Use army units to attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>>
>>1130724
We're about to. In addition to military action, we're going to plant some heavy focus on Pacifica. We're going to do rallies, rebirth the "meme war", throw a lot of media coverage on this puppy.
>>
>>1130724
I'm actually going to spend a few turns on that after this initial attack is over, so don't worry, we'll be continuing the takeover.
>>
>>1130724

( Same here, FWIW. I'm not terribly interested in running a Risk quest with a timer, but if that's where this must go, then it's where it will go. Maybe it would be more fun if >>1130706
took over from here?)
>>
>>1130746
I doubt were going to end up making a risk situation.
>>
>>1130656

The Millennium Force has been given back the old "staging area" east of the Temple to train themselves and others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB3H05OhVDI
>>
>>1130736
Before our army hit's TOL, send the leaders an email "i have declared war"
Then reveal it was us who made the Antarctica video.
Begin initial attack.
>5 cabals, 1 heavy unit and 2 infantry units attack the west Europe TOL.
>5 cabals, 1 navy unit and 3 infantry units attack the islands from Australia.
>5 cabals, 1 heavy unit and 3 infantry units attack west America from Pacifica.
the last naval unit patrols the sea attacking TOL's transport ships and any warships if they think they can get away with minimal to none casualties.
Have our sky eyes track any TOL army movement.
>Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.
1 cabal, don't know which territory.
>Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
6 cabals, super heavy artillery platforms.
>Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.
Sky eye artillery ship(does it need to be launched or is it automatic?)
>>
>>1130808
Fucking hellfire man. . . fuck it, but we have to win the election.

after the attack, the Pacifica cabal should go after the election.
>>
>>1130808
Now here is how our land battles should go.
>assault.
Our land army's objective will be to deliver the most casualties on the TOL army, with an optional objective being taking or destroying the TOL base, they can have the option to retreat at any time to avoid casualties.
first we begin with a artillery volley on TOL soldiers, then we send in drones, some human squads will be scattered among the drone army, they will direct the drones and attack anything of importance in the chaos of battle, the squads can and should retreat if they think they will receive casualties.
Sniper teams will also be scattered, they will snipe any TOL officers or other high ranking individuals.
In the event that Zombie hordes start appearing, the drones should be sent to destroy or hold them off while snipers search and snipe the controlling officer.
>>
>>1130847

Due to inconsistent efforts by your cabal and Ely LeVey's presence, the takeover effort for Pacifica is only at 3/5 (it was at 4/5 last year, but pressure was not kept constant). Attempting to force an election at this point would be unlikely to work, save for exeptional circumstances (which can be manufactured, of course).

>>1130808

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylyqoxh-cXk
>>
>>1130808
"We", better be the legion of light.
>5 cabals, 1 heavy unit and 3 infantry units attack west America from Pacifica. Ithuriel, Zak, Jeb

>5 cabals, 1 navy unit and 3 infantry units attack the islands from Australia. Damien

>5 cabals, 1 heavy unit and 2 infantry units attack the west Europe TOL.
Kat.
>>
What do people think our 1 cabal should be doing? i have them on jamming duty but i haven't decided which Territory yet, probably West europe.
>>
>>1130854
that leaves the Zombie hoard rampant with no control. i'll adjust for these things in a second.
>>
>>1130867
That's the point, if they aren't organized they can be easily destroyed or even lured to another location.
>>
>>1130866
># Use army units to attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.
were going to halt the election in the wake of this war.

>>1130873
alright, I think I got your meaning now. just be sure to focus fire these targets.
>>
Why are we not waiting until they are in position and suprise attack them? They are currently on the defenseive with us. We will lose
>>
>>1130893
you raise a fair point, which is why we should engage with their plan for fighting tyrant. raising the battle standards in one direction while having the armies advance from the other.
>>
>>1130866

At this point I think you are trolling / are trying to throw the quest. The QM has made it painfully obvious that total war with TOL will make it practically impossible to focus on beating TurboJesus, and yet you have been pushing for it relentlessly. You kept throwing research effort at inane things like bubble shields (what the hell does a sonic shield do IN SPACE?), impractical stuff like legged vehicles (in a world with no mountains) and you've let the pacifica takeover go up and down for 6-7 years with no resolution other than annoying our allies. Are you a double agent?

>>1130893

Listen to this guy for humanity's sake!

>>1130736

Alternative "let's not get into a land war in Asia" proposal:

Send some troops to Pacifica for a possible defensive action if the takeover causes trouble. Make sure the rest of our army is covering Misrayim (especially the launch complex), Nova Roma, and maybe Night City properly. Our navy should patrol Greenland.

2 Resume tracking

3 Resume taking over Pacifica. Have Kat do it since she was having fun with it.

8 Start building a kinetic strike vehicle. If we absolutely have to wage war, we will fire exactly two shots, one on Antarctica and one on the Temple. And they will be flying at half the speed of light.

All other cabals should put effort in restoring the global internet, it's our most powerful propaganda weapon and the only one that both TOL and NJ keep trying to take away from us.
>>
>>1130893
>They are currently on the defensive with us.
I don't think so from >>1130642
They think(or at least the soldiers think) that we are preparing to fight the believers, the attack is still Mostly unexpected and anyone who thinks we are preparing to attack them will be to late in convincing the TOL army to mobilize a defense.
>>
>>1130923
your raise some fine points. TJ is the primary threat, an I did want to engage TOL with a direct attack on Antartica if at all. cancel >>1130808 for now. were going to have to carefully work this turn out.
>>
>>1130930
>>1130923

(Hey, play nice. I don't think anyone is trying to throw the quest. As far as what was or wasn't suboptimal strategically, I will do a postmortem post when it's all over one way or the other).

>>1130911
>>1130893
>>1130939

(Okay, I'm happy that y'all find this quest engaging! Is it OK if I pass out for now though? It seems to me that starting a world war is best done after getting some sleep)
>>
>>1130923
>The QM has made it painfully obvious that total war with TOL will make it practically impossible to focus on beating TurboJesus, and yet you have been pushing for it relentlessly.
I have already posted my strategy on how to go t war against TOL and come out with minimum casualties.
If you have criticisms with my plan voice them
>You kept throwing research effort at inane things like bubble shields (what the hell does a sonic shield do IN SPACE?)
The bubble shields, based on a real article, help defend us against natural space phenomena that can harm our ships, the plasma shield protects from solar radiation and the magnetic shield protects from micrometeorites.
>impractical stuff like legged vehicles (in a world with no mountains)
I'll admit the first legged tank i thought up was based more on rule of cool, but it's design is still efficient and functional if not better that a light tank with tracks.
>>
Alright war council. were set to going back to plan A, locking down tyrant, pushing TOL away from the mountain to prevent him from getting free. right now as it stands we can probably charge right in and capture TJ, but we would lose control of the mountain immediately after. that's what we have to prevent.

Tanks are now the best bet for maintaining that control. as well as long ranged artillery strikes. any suggestions?

>>1130955
Agreed, Obviously spamming out that much sabaton must be tiring. heh heh.
>>
>>1130966
in all honesty, your plan was absolute bullshiting. it was like Clintons campaign, state a goal and throw resources at it.
>>
>>1130967
I disagree with the original plan based on a new realization.
We have to silence TJ before he opens his mouth and bathes earth in fire, if we do that that leaves the TOL army with full strength and gives Satan the greatest opportunity to take God's throne, it is in this window of time that our entire plan can fail.
>>
>>1130996
But they have proven to be neigh ineffective on the offensive against us when we have sufficient preparation. IE artillery and rapid deployment Tanks, STD drops, and a swift counter assault from Egypt and New Rome
>>
So because normal weapons that try to cause direct to glorified and by following TJ and Most likely Satan. I have an idea.

Massive artillery of our knock out gas, either ODST's down, setting up the sliencing guns on the canopy and firing down onto the battlefield, or just dropping that section of the canopy ontop of TJ and swopping in shortly there after. These are the best ways to conserve our manpower, and also inflict the most damage on the enemy + chances at securing TJ and Satan for prison.

Remember Satan 'can't' win, so we need to knock him out to stop us from defeating TJ.
>>
>>1131031
Once the moon and Mars are "full" we can possibly cut out those key segments of the canopy.

Either way we should use the video release to state Legion of Light is not a part of TOL and desires no affiliation with TOL.
>>
>>1131009
>But they have proven to be neigh ineffective on the offensive against us when we have sufficient preparation.
Still, they would have their entire army surrounding Jerusalem which will, even with artillery volley and tank charge, take time to destroy, Satan is also a major problem, we have to prevent him from taking God's throne after TJ is silenced, this is extremely difficult if not impossible, Satan would be surrounded by the TOL army which means we can't fight our way to him in time, unless we have an army unit near him it will be impossible to reach him, and if we do have a army unit near him implanting a MEC in him(or killing him) will also be near impossible due to being surrounded by the TOL army, which will attack us as soon as they realized were attacking Satan.
Also what you said applies to attacking TOL now.
>>
>>1130966
Your petit strategy is fine. Your grand strategy is nonexistent. Your plan would win every battle and lose the war. Either you have some way to disintegrate TOL in two turns, or we get mired in a world war. What side would God take? Who knows? Even if it's none, and we beat TOL, then wat? Now we're the official opposition. We go to the Last Battle, and we get obliterated.

>>1131009

Metagaming a bit here, but: this quest has been all about prep. Maybe our army thinks we're Space Rome, but in actuality, we're Batman. DCAU Batman to be specific. We are dealing with baddies with cosmic powers and rigid morality... and we have been winning because while we don't have any NC to speak of, we prepare in advance, choose our battles, and Muggles Do It Better. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MugglesDoItBetter How did we lose Quinn? By throwing her at a target on a whim. How did we lose Pacifica? By ignoring the details and not noticing that our rule was being undermined.

>>1131031

Making Satan win would be a good way to derail the plot, and if we can KO God, we can KO Satan.


Now if we want to do the stupid thing and go to war, we have to do it body and soul, Russians in WW2 style. If we say "it ends tonight" then it damn well ends tonight, we scorch Antarctica, I wouldn't even be against sacrificing our cargo ship as a makeshift kill vehicle. But we should let everyone think that the prophecy is playing out as intended UNTIL we pull the rug.
>>
>>1131031
When Tol raises the battle standards on GJ we could send out some massive artillery strikes on them. Even before TJ is secured we could launch a fairly simple attack from the flank.
>>
>>1131031
The silencing wubber has a limited range, we can't put them on the canopy and expect it to work on believers on the ground.
>>
>>1131031
>>1131070

Silencers only work basically in melee range for what we've seen. Someone is going to have to punch TurboJesus and Satan out, or at least distract them until a facehugger drone does its thing. >>1131070 if those were your design, I retract my accusation of double-agent-ing, it's a nice bit of tech that can turn the tide.
>>
>>1131070
Damn Wasn't aware of that. Thanks Anon, Do you have the range by chance?

>>1131069
I firgured we could gas both parties as they head for the field of 'battle'. Hence part of why we have a tunnel.

>>1131065
we can't 'make' Satan win, its heavily implied his actually controlled by TJ's dad and is gonna lose no matter what happens. That's the issue, If anything he'd fight US to ensure he has an 'honorable' fight with TJ, thus ensuring his loss.

>>1131055
>>1131053
If we drop a piece of the Canopy ontop of the battle, It'll buy us the time we need to get into position or move forces in to gas everybody which is something we can do and then webber/neutron/whatever Satan and TJ.
>>
>>1131065
>Your plan would win every battle and lose the war.
So my plan wins every battle, and the rest of my army moves which i haven't posted will win every war?
>Either you have some way to disintegrate TOL in two turns, or we get mired in a world war.
It certainly won't be 2 turns but it will be quick i assure you.
>What side would God take? Who knows? Even if it's none, and we beat TOL, then wat? >Now we're the official opposition. We go to the Last Battle, and we get obliterated.
We won't be affected by the narrative since we have no soul, our cabals might, but we can keep them under silencer wubbers to prevent that.
>>
>>1131065
Only two people post tvtropes, smug assholes and genius. Right now I think your the latter. And so far I think we can pull of an inventive imperial gaurd Warhammer 40k style defensive, especially now that we have sole control of the canopy.

>>1131086
Sorry to kill the hope, facehugger was my doing.
>>
>>1131095
Silencers don't prevent NC.

>>1131094
Gassing both parties won't work, but we can definitely surprise shell the shit out of Tol in the opening minutes.
>>
>>1131113
Why wouldn't It? Only the MEC's they have would remain functioning and we can easily dispatch those.
>>
>>1131094
I might've let TOL know about the gas, but this can work in our favor if we can keep them pinned long enough for their mask to stop working.
>>
>>1131094
>If we drop a piece of the Canopy ontop of the battle, It'll buy us the time we need to get into position or move forces in to gas everybody which is something we can do and then webber/neutron/whatever Satan and TJ.
This is extremely wrong, the plan was to use the tunnel to have a team silence TJ before he opens his mouth, if we drop the canopy first TJ can react and open his mouth to destroy the piece, if we do it after Satan has time in between the canopy falling to take God's throne.
>>
>>1131125
We are supposed to do it a the same time. It's called sycronized deployment.
>>
>>1131125
The plan was never to send a silencer team up through the tunnel, it was to gas the bastards in the Capital and give us a way into it. Also the Caopnoy is to be used as distraction to buy us TIME to get into place. Also once more i must take Satan will be UNABLE to take god's throne because his a PUPPET of god.
>>
>>1131132
If we do it at the same time The team with TJ is still in Jerusalem and are at risk of being crushed an TJ freed, the time it takes for the Canopy to impact is also time for Satan to realize he can take God's throne, and time enough for him to do so.
>>
>>1131142
Satan is a PUPPET of TJ and God, He will be UNABLE to seize the throne.
>>
>>1131116

Our MECs are smart people who are sad because they can't feel it when they get laid. Their MECs are terminal speed addicts trussed up to look even more like zombies than regular speed addicts do. I think we're good on that front.

>>1131142
>>1131154

That's been sorta ambiguous the whole quest but if you read the Bible yeah, Satan is on a leash.
>>
>>1131141
>The plan was never to send a silencer team up through the tunnel, it was to gas the bastards in the Capital and give us a way into it.
I don't recall that, hell that just makes the plan worse, how are you going to send a team in to silence TJ before he speaks?
>Also the Caopnoy is to be used as distraction to buy us TIME to get into place.
How? how can the canopy be used as a distraction?
>Also once more i must take Satan will be UNABLE to take god's throne because his a PUPPET of god
You can't guarantee that, every TOL personnel believes that if Satan wins he takes the throne and gives them reverse paradise.
>>
>>1131142
We don't cut off the canopy section over TJ and our men you idiot.

>>1131141
Further more, it has been the plan to send the team with the containment unit, and a very large fucking army, up the tunnels directly into Jerusalem since we made the tunnels!
>>
>>1131161
No I meant theres are easily dispatched by our own.

>>1131164
>How can the canopy used as a distraction.
They will react to either protect their people or ignore it, Thus allowing us to get closer/deal with the size of both armies easier which DO outnumber us still.

>>1131169
Well fuck me, I clearly forgot that then. I remembered the battle takes place outside of the NJ.

>Can't guarantee that, every TOL believes Satan will win.

Ya they also refused to believe us when we showed them ways to actuall win this and seemed hell bent on following the 'final' battle to the letter, Meaning Satan losses mate. Also it was heavily hinted at with the hell mouth/word/stuff.
>>
>>1131169
>We don't cut off the canopy section over TJ and our men you idiot.
So you want to cut canopy sections on top of the TOL army, which will be around Jerusalem, how can you prevent the ice from landing on Jerusalem?
>Further more, it has been the plan to send the team with the containment unit, and a very large fucking army, up the tunnels directly into Jerusalem since we made the tunnels!
>>1131141
>The plan was never to send a silencer team up through the tunnel.
>>
>>1131177
>They will react to either protect their people or ignore it, Thus allowing us to get closer/deal with the size of both armies easier which DO outnumber us still.
So how will you prevent TJ from reacting and opening his mouth early?
>>
>>1131179

The canopy is either 100km or 70km up. It falls at terminal velocity. That would still take 2-3 minutes to fall, so we would have to time it perfectly. No big deal since we're a computer, BUT, it means that it can't be a last minute thing and once we decide to do it we can't undo it. Again, prep/foreplanning.

>>1131184

TurboJesus doesn't have an army at all! Unless he starts spamming angels.
>>
>>1131179
Disregard the second part of this i din't look at the ID.
>>
>>1131184
He'll point it the fuck up mate, Not at us? Why are you so hell bent on him opening his mouth? Because I don't know what you've read but I've never seen him spew fire out of it during the final battle.
>>
The plan,

>1 Vehicles rise out of the tunnels and open up, releasing tanks, gas, and infantry. One of these has the containment system.

>2 as TOL prepares to charge, they are attacked with the canopy dropping or artillery poundinf, followed by a actual infantry skirmish, and forced to fight on two fronts.

>3 one and two have to happen at the exact same time.

>4 as TJ exits the temple and steps outside, the container is used and he is disabled. All forces move on to defending against TOL.
>>
>>1131196
In the book. He says the phrase "I am who I am" and then fire rains from the sky. After proving tyrant is a sound based creature, it was deduced that him speaking is what caused the firery rain.
>>
>>1131213
He can't rain fire from the sky if its collapsing ontop of him.
>>
>>1131192
>That would still take 2-3 minutes to fall, so we would have to time it perfectly.
How long does it take for TJ to walk out of the temple after Satan challenges him? and how long does it take for him to open his mouth after he walks out?
>TurboJesus doesn't have an army at all! Unless he starts spamming angels.
I'm not talking about his nonexistent army, I'm talking about him opening his mouth early to prevent the ice from impacting his believers.
>>1131196
Because him opening his mouth means fire raining down to destroy all of earth, and even if that doesn't happen him opening the mouth early let's him slightly adjust the narrative and let's him open his mouth faster then our simulation says.
>>
>>1131192
Angel spamming and militant MF is why we have dwarven weapons and gas respectively.

>>1131222
That's something we can't say for certain, all we know is him speaking triggers game over, so we have to take no chances.
>>
>>1131222
He can destroy the ice blocks falling, that would be trivial for him if he can destroy the entire TOL army.
>>
>>1131232
>>1131225
Well by that logic, We need to strike at 994 then to ensure we can capture him and gives us enough time to find Satan? If we fail we have 5 years to rebuild our army go to the final battle? Have we found Satan yet? I'm sure capturing him would halt shit somewhat.

I am way to tried to be thinking on how to defeat Jesus and god at this hour.
>>
And people still haven't proposed a solution >>1131055
>>
>>1131243
Can we even trigger TJ appearing if we go to war against Jerusalem early?
>>
>>1131249
It's possible which is why we should let Tol do it and strike on their attack day, we already have the colony up and it's being populated.
>>
>>1131249

That's exactly what I am worried about. What if we start a war and instead of fighting back TOL just zerg rushes Jerusalem?
>>
>>1131265
Well then they are fucked and we get useful data?
>>
>>1131261
The problem i have with that is that Monday is attacking in the year 993, in the same year some of our theorists predicted the final battle would happen, another thing that supports this suspicion is that Monday is also under NC influence >>1127211
>>
>>1131273
We know all that, which is why the aim is to strike just minutes ahead of the TOL charge. We release the facehugger swarm, breach from the tunnels and prevent TOL from acting as we slam the lid on TJ.
>>
>>1131267
If they're fucked then so are we.
>>
>>1131289
again, would attacking early even trigger TJ's appearance?
>which is why the aim is to strike just minutes ahead of the TOL charge. We release the facehugger swarm, breach from the tunnels and prevent TOL from acting as we slam the lid on TJ.
Satan and TOL charge after TJ appears, and TJ opens his mouth immediately after that.

>As Satan advanced toward the temple, the noise of his endless troops drowning out the sounds of nature, God Himself seemed to allow Rayford to stand taller than he had in centuries. It was as if he were a young man again, and he longed to join his Savior on the front lines. He was aware that his friends also stood tall beside him, eager, anticipating, knowing the side of the righteous would prevail.
>Despite all the attacks of the evil one throughout the aeons of time, his efforts were doomed to an ill end. And as Rayford Steele and his compatriots looked on—all of them sinners redeemed by the blood of the Lamb who sat on the throne—Jesus rose to face His challenger for one last time.
>The Alpha and Omega, the King of kings, the Lord of lords, the Lion of Judah, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, the Rock, the Savior, the Christ stood in the courtyard of His temple.
Satan, silenced for a thousand years, shrieked, “Charge!”
>Jesus responded quietly, “I AM WHO I AM.”
>And with that, the clouds rolled back and the heavens opened, and orange and yellow and red mountains of white-hot, roiling flames burst forth. Satan’s entire throng—men, women, weapons, everything—was vaporized in an instant, leaving around the holy mountain a ring of ash that soon wafted away in the breeze.

This is actually a much tighter time frame that i originally though, a minute if not seconds.
>>
>>1131325
Then in this case. When Satan begins marching towards the temple we need to attack. It's as simple as measuring how much time it could take to move the containment, how to long an angel could delay, and how long it takes containment to fully activate. If we miscalculated, our savings grace may be the facehugger.
>>
>>1131348
>Then in this case. When Satan begins marching towards the temple we need to attack.
That raises another problem, can nonbelievers be in Jerusalem before TJ walks out of the temple? And how long will Satan's march be before until TJ comes out?
>>
>>1131362
A matter of telemetry, our specialty.
>>
>>1131384
That doesn't answer my questions.
can we have a team in Jerusalem?
Will Satan's march be long enough to set up a team?
Hell i think telemetry still might not work since our sky eye can't be on top of Jerusalem for long.
>>
Hello? anyone still here?
>>
>>1131442
I'm voting against your plan for this turn.

Will write up my own in the morning, goodnight anons.
>>
>>1131525
Why? you still haven't answered >>1131390
Or >>1130854
>>
>>1131533
Correction, i meant
>>1131390
>>1131055
>>
Well damn, looks like while I'm asleep anons are going to ignore my criticisms and abort from the invasion.
>>
Going to post my entire invasion plan.

Year 985
>15 cabals take east America, west Europe and the island
Year 986
>10 cabals take Mexico and east Europe.
Year 987
>10 cabals take south east Asia and central Africa.
Year 988
>10 cabals take south west Asia and east Africa.
Year 989
>10 cabals take east Russia and south Africa.
This leaves the middle east base and the Antarctic base for year 990.
>>
OK, I'm back unless >>1131644 wants to take over the quest since he seems to know what's going on better than me, in which case I'll gladly play.
>>
(These answers assume that I continue the quest, obviously)

>>1131362

Keeping a nonbeliever in the Greater Jerusalem area has been extremely difficult; they're expelled or converted. The few MECs who have gone, like Rocky, seem to pretty much disappear.

>>1131384

You would need to locate Satan when he shows up; fortunately gait estimation is easy. So far, Angels have consistently "appeared" from the closest location to their target that has no human or artificial monitoring. Your theologians think that it's the two-slit-experiment observer effect. Your physicists think your theologians need to stop trolling them.

>>1131273

A quick survey of church newsletters and the like indicates that most believers seem to think that the Last Day will be in +1000, a few in +993, a fewer still in +999.

>>1131177

Believing population estimates indicate that just in time for the Last Day, Christians will be a minority again, just barely. Your MEC tech has thrown this out of whack to a small degree, and the tipping point is expected to happen a couple of years earlier. Your statisticians have shared this data with a believing scientific journal, such as they are, but did not pass peer review.

>>1131095
Attempts at worshiping you seem to have given you enough of a soul that some of your nodes are experiencing the Hell loop.

>>1131070

Sonic weapons, by definition, move at the speed of sound; a bullet from a high-powered rifle, or an anti-air missile, will be faster.

>>1131065

The cargo ship is fragile; even after installing a dummy payload to increase its mass and coherency (a depleted uranium or tungsten slug for example) it would become necessary to accelerate her away from Earth, decelerate, and then accelerate back towards Earth. If the idea is to strike the Earth while only making a hole in the canopy rather than shattering it, it would have to move at a measurable fraction of lightspeed. Jeb notes that the ship would basically become a sabot round for the slug; the structure would crash on the canopy, probably damaging it severely, and the tungsten slug would continue on at above terminal velocity.

The sooner a kinetic strike vehicle is launched, the longer it has to complete the accel-decel-ram maneuver, and the more effective it will be.
>>
>>1131325

The simulation is accurate to the limit of your processing power, which means that it's very accurate. Unfortunately, one crucial piece of information is missing: when this is supposed to happen.

Your theologians lament not having been there during the Tribulation, since the "hard" timeline was described in much greater detail and had many more possible derailment points.

>>1130857
>>1130847

Strictly speaking it will be possible to try a nonviolent takeover of Pacifica, it will just be very unlikely to work without more preparation. Should a shooting war start anyway, it would also be possible to simply invade.

>>1130737

History shows that protests and other nonviolent tactics have been effective in ending wars at times, but tend to be ignored in the initial stages of a war.
>>
>>1132390

>History shows that protests and other nonviolent tactics have been effective in ending wars at times, but tend to be ignored in the initial stages of a war.

Then it's a good thing we're not going to war yet.
>>
>>1130736

># Deal with special situations.
Swing Pacifica's election in our favor. six cabals, add Jeb.

># Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.
Three Cabals. two new exit points for the end day assault, we strike, the MF camp, and then the Staging ground for TOL, we're going to launch the TOL one with a dummy breacher.

># Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
12 Cabals. middle east, western Europe, south west asia, north west asia.

># Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.
Harass Levey in Pacifica.


were going to try and gain some monitoring ability so we can mark exactly when the final battle is supposed to happen to spring the counterpunch.

next year we do some screening for Mars citizens.
>>
>>1132460

Are you trying to continue influencing Pacifica's population and just overmanning it, or are you trying to "brute-force" the next elections now?

(Also, I need a bit of OOC consensus on whether you guys want to go to war or not, if you do, I'll have to change the game mechanics a little: wartime spycraft is very different than peacetime spycraft)
>>
>>1132500
(No on the war. it's a losing battle.)

not really sure myself. possibly massively influence it.

if by brute force you mean attack the election in install Mr. Bissattini as dictator then definitely not.
>>
>>1132500
No war. And I'll back >>1132460
>>
>>1132536
>>1132529

Okay. What will your Villains do?
>>
>>1132553
>tunnel network
Kat

>Harass Levey
Damien and Ithuriel / Happy Trolling

>Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s
Zaki boy.

Jeb I already placed.
>>
>>1132594
>>1132553

Kat back to Pacifica, since she was enjoying it.

Second everything else, but Ithuriel should be in the tunnels since he and Urist get along.

Happy villains are effective villains.

>>1132500

Also voting against a war now but let's wait for green anon maybe.
>>
>>1132674
I am just popping into the thread to say I am also against the concept of an early war against TOL. I will have to leave again pretty soon so this might be my last post for today...
>>
>>1132715
hello and see ya Joe.
>>
>>1132715
>>1132674
>>1132594
>>1132536

Your sociologists note that there has been a strong undercurrent of militarism in your society for the last few years, and your theologians note that since the prophecy says that a billion-strong army should assemble against Greater Jerusalem, narrative causality may be the reason for war drums beating in people's heads. For now, though, cooler heads prevail.

>>1132536
>>1132460

You dispatch a large team to Pacifica; using construction crews and the occasional heavy MEC, they help the semiaquatic humans to either relocate to where they were evicted, or to simply turn the area where they had been relocated into artificial ponds. The underlying message to the government is spelled out explicitly in your propaganda leaflets; every time you craft an oppressive law, we will build a way to get around it. Your media people are successful in tying this with American Western can-do spirit, gaining support from the nationalist faction.

The major secular opponent to Bissattini, a hypercapitalist named Ryan Andrews who made his money (and money equivalent) a couple of decades ago speculating in the reputation market as it rose and fell, announces that he will stop trying to participate in politics. Instead, he purchases a number of old barges, batyspheres and similar vessels, makes them underwater-capable, and intentionally sinks them somewhere in the Pacific, with the explicit goal of building a larger underwater habitat. Some of the most corporate-minded members of Tree Of Life join him.

You

# send a small infiltration team to keep an eye on it.

# applaud the effort, maybe offer token help, but overall ignore it, since it helps your putative candidate.

# directly sabotage the effort: Tree Of Life mentioned bioweapons, and you want those where you can see them.

# indirectly sabotage his efforts by helping believers infiltrate the project.

# publically praise the effort and offer assistance.

While life in Pacifica goes back to being loud and proud, civil tension is overall defused from last year; the few people afraid of a violent coup largely calm down, and attendance at the Millennium Force's self-defense schools drops considerably from its inaugural year. Your cabals set up a support network for skeptical children of believing parents who want to leave the farm, experience city life,

# and get modded if they want, as a "I'm not going back" rebellious gesture.

# and return to their parents if they find that it's not for them.

The bodymod fad hits Misrayim to a small degree, although most historical revivalists including the neo-Romans seem to be very uninterested. Your low-level surveillance however finds that the Dwarfs have made a major purchase of tech and skilled personnel with Tree Of Life, in return for assistance in bunkerizing some of their research centers.

(1/2)
>>
(2/2)


The Underground Monorail announces that thanks to Tree Of Life assistance, the first successful complete gender change operation (down to the genetic/chromosomal level) has been completed in a northern Pacifican clinic not far from where Ely LeVey lives.

# Excellent pretext for a harassment campaign towards the elderly preacher.

# Good for them, but you have your own tactics.

In the meantime, Misrayim's factories and your navy's submarines are busy deploying the new Sky Eyes; your analysts expect that this will soon force the Temple to reverse its ruling on internet use, or face ridicule. It would be the first time that the Temple has to flat out admit error.

(Villain allocation for the above, if any?)

Low-level surveillance of TOL actions indicate that they are shifting some of their army assets from Antarctica to their bases; in a few territories, TOL base commanders have specifically notified your patrols that this is not intended as a military buildup against you, and even offered to let you inspect said bases. Video analysis confirms that some of Sunday's footage in his messages to his people is being reused.

One thing that the documentary has caused was an effort by TOL to clean up house somewhat; they're still doing a bunch of drugs, as Sky Eye surveillance of ship movement shows, but at least their recruiters are a lot more clean-cut. They have even revived attempts to recruit using philosophical arguments ( http://leftbehind.wikia.com/wiki/If_It's_True ), and a few TOL recruiters have asked to make their pitch at Misrayim's universities,

# which you have allowed.

# which you have denied.

# which you have allowed only in the form of a two-way debate with one of your recruiters.

# which you have allowed only in the form of a three-way debate with one of your recruiters and a missionary.
>>
>>1132801
>publically praise the effort and offer assistance.
>You too can do what you want when and where, Don't let you're dreams just be dreams!

>and get modded if they want, as a "I'm not going back" rebellious gesture.
>>
>>1132814
> Excellent pretext for a harassment campaign towards the elderly preacher.

>>1132814
>which you have allowed only in the form of a three-way debate with one of your recruiters and a missionary.

i dunno where to sit any of them, Sorry
>>
>>1132814
# publically praise the effort and offer assistance.

# and get modded if they want, as a "I'm not going back" rebellious gesture.

# Excellent pretext for a harassment campaign towards the elderly preacher.

# which you have allowed only in the form of a three-way debate with one of your recruiters and a missionary.
>>
>>1132857
>>1132831
>>1132769
(Where are your Villains going, if anywhere?)
>>
>>1132867

going with what >>1132674
thinks on villians.
>>
>>1132820
>>1132831
>>1132857

A few companies that you run behind the curtain make sure that Ryan Andrews gets some very good deals on undersea equipment, and your PAC in Pacifica publicly congratulates the former entrepreneur on his endeavor. This irks Andrews a little bit, surprisingly, since he was doing this as a way to "secede" from all governments, but he doesn't say no to a helping hand as long as he can show that he's paying for it. A few of the aquatic humans join him, which helps with the initial setup of the undersea colony, but most prefer to stay closer to land, simply for safety's sake. Commodore Weaver (she does have two ships after all) is seen submerging to meet with Andrews, and for a week Christian newspapers and talk radio are all agog about a "Terror from the Deep" conspiracy theory; there are a few incidents of aqua-augmented people attacked in the streets up and down the coast as a backlash, but your media people manage to turn this into an asset. Kat is able to reopen her deli, this time twenty feet underwater just halfway off Treasure Island, and while business isn't quite as good as it used to be, it's enough to keep the enterprise self-sufficient. Since you brought extra manpower, your people reactivate some of the immense wave generators that had been built at the height of the economic boom; Pacifica is once again the land of surfers.

Kat calls LeVey on her show (courtesy of a little bit of hardware hacking that prevent the radio preacher from hanging up on her without going off the air) and asks for an opinion on genetic-level sex reassignment surgery; the older woman had no idea that this had even been accomplished, and calls it a false claim. The very next day, a delegation from the Undeground Monorail visits Ely's town and business to let her meet the gene therapy recipient; Ely refuses to meet, calls the psalties on them, and skips town, forcing her show to go off the air for a few days.

Things in Pacifica are looking up, but Tree Of Life insist that this is "their" revolution, not yours, this time, and want assurances that you will not interrupt their endgame plan if they are to back your candidate. They aren't giving out details, and Jeff Tolwyn has gone to work with Andrews, but your intelligence experts suspect that it may have something to do with a bioweapon. Tree Of Life insist that their charter is to increase human life, not decrease it: if they wanted to create a bioweapon they'd have done so thirty years ago.

What has been happening to Maria seems to show them to be right; the elderly believer has been kept in coma for years now, and thanks to continued gene therapy she looks younger. Scans indicate that the effect is more than skin deep: while her face is still wrinkled, her tissues are closer to those of a middle-aged woman.

# Allow her to wake up.

# Continue the experiment.

# Change plans for the UNS Reach: this tech may be a better solution than keeping the crew awake.
>>
>>1133021
># Continue the experiment.
>>
>>1133021


You end up subsidizing body modding of different kinds in the western territory, be it biomods or cybernetics. Pretty soon, two competing subcultures develop; Shapers favor biomods, tend to be aristocratic and refined, and have libertarian tendencies, while Mechanists are more rough-and-ready and somewhat collectivist. The two groups are currently cooperating under your loose leadership to take the territory from the believers, but are divided on what to do afterwards - shapers, having recently been discriminated against, want to encourage believers to leave, while mechanists think that there's room for everyone. Tree Of Life, of course, supports shapers, while the Underground Monorail is more on the mechanist side due to political affinities. This is not yet an issue, but you may need to deal with it in the future (if nothing bigger happens).

You allow TOL recruiters to set up offices in your universities in the same way that you had allowed missionaries to do so years ago; the slow trickle of converts has overall been worth being able to point at the small chaplains' offices when believers accuse your government of persecution. TOL will be granted the same status; a few three-way debates happen, but most of them end with your representative and TOL's ganging up on the believer. A few complaints are lodged, but your moderators have been fair, so the only people complaining are the follower of Tsion Ben-Judah, who, well, would complain regardless.

In one particular debate in Timbuktu, in the shadow of the launch complex (this year the Moon base has reached capacity, and will have to expand facilities soon), the opposite happens: the Christian and Luciferian speakers gang up on your guy, indicating that they each promise eternal bliss, rather than a continuation of human drudgery until the stars grow cold.

Your debater is, of course, wired to your datalinks by phone implant; so are the other two. For a rebuttal, your philosophers offer

# that nobody's experienced Heaven other than some Glorified, but many MECs around the world have experienced Hell. So either bring a Glorified on stage or it's all hearsay.

# that it's ironic that people following Yahweh and Satan, the absolute opponents, are ganging up on someone who simply stands with humanity.

# that if Heaven is like Hell, it's just a celestial opium den: there's much more beauty in the universe than "simple" eternal unchanging bliss.

# something else.

Jeb doesn't do much in Pacifica, other than do a tour and talk about space - he seems a little fatigued, or worried, although his performance is excellent. He does shoot a video, which quickly goes viral in areas that have fast internet again, of himself in a wingsuit leading a couple of people who have grown a patagium, "escorting in" an airship coming into the territory from Nova Roma.

# If anyone can get a wing graft, or space-based bioaugmentations, it's Jeb, encourage it.

# He knows what he's doing, let him be.
>>
>>1133037

You keep Maria under; MRI scans indicate that she is in a deep coma, but in order to make sure her neurons do not deteriorate, she is occasionally allowed to partially come out of it and dream.

Urist and Ithuriel have the world's sweatiest bromance going (who resurrected that word?); if the Dwarf race survive, their legendarium will contain more than a couple stories about how these two managed to lead a tunneling team over volcanic vents, past cave-ins, and through underground fields of quicksand and aquifers. The tunnel network has been extended underneath the Rub-Al-Khali to the extent that you can easily spring up an infantry squad in view of the nominal Greater Jerusalem border, and tanks just a few hundred meters behind. Urist's people consistently beat your radiolocation algorithms on the subject of where they are digging under; the Dwarf elder refuses to lead his people into New Jerusalem, however, stating that it would be unsafe for everyone involved, especially his Angel friend.

# Respect this.

# Push for a bit of daring.

# So what? Rig a small digger for remote control and start breaking through the bedrock at least for an exploratory tunnel!
>>
>>1133093
># Respect this.
we don't need to break into NJ until TOL Starts Parading around it, or mobalizing troops towards it.
>>
>>1133074
# He knows what he's doing, let him be.

# that it's ironic that people following Yahweh and Satan, the absolute opponents, are ganging up on someone who simply stands with humanity.

# something else.
Bring up the fact that its clear what's wrong with both outcomes is that no matter what, human will is replaced with that of an omnipotent dictator who would keep us all in the Celestial opium den while torturing all those who wouldn't comply.
>>
>>1133122
# that if Heaven is like Hell, it's just a celestial opium den: there's much more beauty in the universe than "simple" eternal unchanging bliss.

# He knows what he's doing, let him be.

# Respect this.
>>
>>1133093
>>1133154
Linked to the wrong post...
>>
File: latest[1].jpg (31 KB, 640x400)
31 KB
31 KB JPG
>>1133122

The Rub-Al-Khali, the sparsely populated territory that surrounds Greater Jerusalem (albeit for only on a few hundred meters on the Misrayim side) still looks like the endless expanse of hardy grass that it's looked like for a thousand years, but underneath is an elaborate networks of high-tech tunnels that by now even extend under the Red Sea to Misrayim, and north into what used to be Turkey. Urist and Ithuriel have, practically on a dare, even added pressure tanks to the undersea segment so that they can, on a whim (well, on about twelve hours of engineering prep, but still), replicate the "parting of the waters" scene from the iconic Charlton Heston movie.

Jeb may be a little melancholy, but keeps up his public persona flawlessly and, incidentally, shows the flying-squirrel-people that they have a bit of work to do still if they want to catch up to him.

>>1133139
>>1133154

Experience shows that focusing on one argument makes it more effective; alternatively, you can tell your debater to "Gish Gallop" through all the arguments you listed, for a more broad but shallower appeal.
>>
>>1133074
># that it's ironic that people following Yahweh and Satan, the absolute opponents, are ganging up on someone who simply stands with humanity.
>>1133189
This alone then.
>>
Agreed
>>
>>1133208

(to which?)
>>
>>1133219
Oh crap I didn't link them lol
>>1133205
This guy
>>
>>1133074
>that nobody's experienced Heaven other than some Glorified, but many MECs around the world have experienced Hell. So either bring a Glorified on stage or it's all hearsay.
>that it's ironic that people following Yahweh and Satan, the absolute opponents, are ganging up on someone who simply stands with humanity.

>He knows what he's doing, let him be.

>Respect this.
>>
>>1133205
>>1133222
>>1133154

"Aren't you supposed to be preparing for the great battle of the ages? Why doesn't your God and your Devil just have a big boxing match in the Temple, and the rest of us can just get on with our lives? Look, if you want, I'm sure that Cairo Polytechnic will be very happy to get you set up with a referee, this is mostly a research university but we do have an athletics program!"

The protests of the Christian debater, who says that either you're with us or against us, and The Other Lights' debater, who answers that it's about rewarding loyalty in the face of oppression, go barely heard over the laughter that sweeps the auditorium; the debate series continues, people write letters to the editor, the internet flares up with flame wars, and things continue as usual.

The only consequence of any note is a brief email from Monday indicating that he does agree with the Christians on one thing: either you are with TOL or you are against it. "Soon, I will make my own move to avert prophecy. Be at my side, or be in front of our guns."

Attempts to reply go unanswered, but your sensor network does detect a lot of naval activity: TOL is moving a good chunk of their army out of Antarctica and into their bases. However, the Rub-al-Khali staging area does not get much more than an average share of troops.

# End year.

# Wait...
>>
>>1133252
Whelp let's mine the path they are going.

Monday has fucking lost it.
>>
>>1133252
# Wait...


Check the positioning of those assets relative to our own and hold back some of our army just in case he is going to attack us, not the Christians...


>>1133253
That he has, a shame, TOL were such a useful meatshield-cum-distraction force...
>>
>>1133253

Doing this safely is going to take a year. However, Urist's people had a similar plan in mind, so you will need very little manpower to assist them in it (1 cabal).
>>
>>1133282
Get to mining.
>>
>>1133278

So far, it seems that each base is getting between two and three army units. Unsurprisingly the base in Central Africa is getting three. However the bases in the Rub-Al-Khali and Central America are only getting two.

>>1133286

# Crash program to mine the tunnels quickly.

# Mine the tunnels safely over the next year.
>>
>>1133288
>Mine the tunnels safely over the next year.

I meant... mines that float in the water and explode/sinking ships.
>>
>>1133297

That's definitely doable. The Rub-Al-Khali's capital, Salalah, is little more than a port - TOL has not contested it, but only because any fool with half an infantry regiment could take it.

Your plan for next year is to

# formally cooperate with the local believing government and upgrade their defenses out of your pocket.

# just plant a minefield without asking permission; your mines will be safe for the locals, since there is no fishing and they will all have failsafe radio activation anyway.
>>
>>1133315
>formally cooperate with the local believing government and upgrade their defenses out of your pocket.
>>
>>1133323

And that's the plan; it will cost you a little bit of manpower, but nothing impossible. A preliminary request for a meeting indicates that the territorial government isn't worried at all: at worst, the sparse population will just evacuate into Greater Jerusalem. The arbiter in charge figures that this doesn't include heathens, but, well, they can go to Misrayim, no? He too seems to be under the misapprehension that Misrayim is under TOL control.

# End year.

# Wait!
>>
>>1133364
>Do it without permission then.
>>
>>1133323
>>1133393

(They aren't worried, but they didn't say no)
>>
>>1133323

Essentially, the arbiter of Salalah agrees to defensive works being built, as long as they do not get in the way of what little economic activity goes on there; he figures that the workers will want to spend some money. (Sorry for not explaining myself properly)
>>
>>1133400
MINE THE SEA, FUCK THEM.
>>
honestly what we need is sensor equipment around the area.
>>
>>1133437
>>1133410

A Sky Eye Mk2 network over the territory will give you fairly high-resolution cameras; they won't see submarines, but they will see surface ships.

Deploying harbor mines isn't a tough job per se; you have enough of a navy now that you can just send your subs to cover a tug-and-barge setup to do minelaying.
>>
Past the Other Light troop movements, they have begun to blanket the airwaves with propaganda using the same broadcast channel that the believers do; in territories with the internet, those who have a WWAN dongle end up going to your datalinks for fact-checking, but in territories where that's less of an option TOL does surprisingly well with recruiting disaffected youth.

There is much hand-wringing at the Feast of Tabernacles; on one hand, this is in accordance with the prophecies, on the other, so many lost souls. Oddly enough, Tsion this year has nothing bad to say about you.

A Temple Tribunal ruling on the transgender issue -- birth sex is all that matters to them, regardless of genetic therapy -- is greeted by the Underground Monorail with a ticker-tape parade in which a lot of LGBT folks shred their ID; the mood is celebratory. In response, the Pacifican government hires a number of Glorified to gender-history-check people applying for things like driver's licenses. Happily, the Temple also rules that there is nothing tainted or wrong about a child born of a transgender parent after gene therapy or after a womb/testes implantation (or even both; it took the End Times to come again, but futanari is now officially a medically possible option. Not that one could tell by the porn industry, since that hasn't changed any except for maybe a bit more realism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMoEs7eQeZE )

The slow trickle of colonists to Mars continues; the homesteaders have quickly found that the conditions there are easier to deal with than the Moon's, largely because the day is 25 rather than 360 hours long and the gravity is more familiar. A quick demographic survey indicates that the oldest colonist out there will turn 100 next year.

Launching Sky Eyes in the Middle East, and moving the old Mk1s around on the canopy, gives you enough of a sensor net to catch ships coming into the staging area, and subs emerging to get to a harbor.

To close the year, a happy moment; the first class of Martian children, all five of them, have begun attending school. So far, the lower gravity means that they are growing up to be noticeably, but not cripplingly, tall and thin, with somewhat elongated features; a forensic sketch artists draws a potential adult Martian, a human, and a Dwarf side to side to show the differences.
>>
File: lbq situation.png (151 KB, 1800x968)
151 KB
151 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems, 1 is canopy security, and 1 is army liaison, so 22 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on a starship bubble shield. Your military grant is focused on sea mines.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL have set up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage.

Freelancers are doing well homesteading on Mars.

Variable complexity:

# You've pretty much won the internet! Leverage it.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations. Deploy sea mines in the Middle East, build fortifications...

# Assign manpower to research.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Use army units to attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>>
>>1133699
Is there sufficient demand for another cargo craft to move colonists? If so assign the required 6 cabals.

Have our remaining 16 cabals and the automated base produce areospace parts.


By doing this we will have 9 parts, which is enough for basically anything we might want. Such as the eventually work on the Reach in 4 years time.
>>
>>1133856
no time, we should finish up the mars Colony, let them get to a point where they can finish the reach, we have to focus tyrant now or never.
>>
>>1133865
Martian colony has all the industrial resources it needs. All we can do is move population to it.


Arguably we therefore we should actually be to do this;


12 cabals launching cargo-ships, we get two more this turn.

10 cabals and the auto-base doing aerospace parts. Equalises used and produced part count.


That is a huge increase in our transport capacity; making our colonies grow at amazing speed.
>>
>>1133856
>>1133865

Currnetly, the Imperium Profugus is mostly taking people to Mars; the fact that it's a one way trip limits emigration somewhat, but the Martian colony is doing well. The Lunar colony is at capacity, and should have a proper factory online next year. The Reach has been underutilized; you have plenty of transport capacity, enough so that some is unused.

What may be lacking is the initial infrastructure for an outer-solar-system base; the environment is harsher, but since there is no gravity well to climb out of, the option is more attractive because it will be possible to return home in an emergency.

Your current space policy is that even to the Moon, colonists should consider themselves on a one way mission.
>>
>>1133699
Keep an eye on Andrews and his "city of Rapture", if he starts developing some kind of ADAM serum we want to know about it.

>>1133873
it would be good getting all we need into space. I agree with you there.

>>1133884
Geist, how many cabals is it to put the necessary population on mars in a turn, and then how many is it to build something to transport people between mars, the Ships, and the moon? final question, would they be able to develop enough on these worlds to make more ships and colonize other worlds on their own?
>>
>>1133903

The main issue is taking off from Mars; you would need a specialized lander with takeoff capability. The Earthside systems won't do it, because the canopy situation is unique. At minimum, it would need a capsule, and a refinery module Luna/Mars side dedicated to making fuel for it, so that's two dedicated parts for an orbital ferry; past orbit, your two interplanetary ships can carry as much as you need. Your current space policy forbids takeoff capabilities because you were worried about TOL infiltration.

Four cabals will populate Luna fully and eight cabals will populate Mars fully while ensuring that a majority of the population is loyal to you.

Your social engineering choices for extraplanetary colonists put you at a disadvantage for secondary colony sites off their original world - you'd have to lay the foundation yourself using the Reach (the I.P. is a dedicated transport and has no manufacturing modules on board), although the Martian homesteaders have already started looking at building a second colony.
>>
>>1133937
would the eight take away from our actual cabals or would those be citizens we find?
>>
>>1133947

Two possibilities there: either send people up, or attach a cabal per population unit permanently to ensure loyalty. A couple of your agents will go with the colonists, and a few more will stay at home and provide counseling and ground support.

>>1133903

Ryan Andrews has either poached, or allied with, the more corporatist wing of Tree Of Life. They likely have slightly better biotech than you do. What they do not have is experience with harsh environments.
>>
>>1133976
Then we give them the means and information to handle the extreme environment. also they should chart out a boundary for their territory

so, eight cabals to finish mars at most lose two? I say do it.

writing up my plan now, will produce aerospace parts as well.
>>
>>1133699
># Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)
Eight Cabals. two dots.

># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
Can this produce a literal swarm of facehuggers? if so six cabals.

># Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.
Aerospace parts.

>Civilian research grant
is now to Develop a means of going to and from mars, Profugus, Reach, and the moon. assign one cabal and Jeb to research this.

># Build aerospace parts.
four cabals

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
Kat and Damien. this is the last time we recruit foot soldiers.
>>
>>1134026
that's 3 cabals on Recruit
>>
>>1134026
>>1133992

A second on this plan? (Note that it will let the Pacifican turmoil continue; this can be good or bad)

Nova Roma is optimized to build heavy weapons, but there are plenty of light factories and workshops in Misrayim that are best used for this.
>>
>>1134063
I want us to focus on Pacifican but I'm not at a computer to write my own plan.
>>
>>1134063
sorry, i'm unsure what the exact nature of the pacifica turmoil is, can I get the post link? I know Andrew made a separatist government ala Bioshock.
>>
So, a bit new to this, but what about dropping cargo ship sabot rounds on the final battle? Would that pretty much shut TJ/Satan up?

>inb4 the prophecy ends up being literally us bringing the rain of fire and cracking the planet wide open
>>
>>1134363

That has been considered, and is possible; the sabot rounds would hit the canopy at approximately 11km/second. If more kinetic energy is desired, another possibility is to launch a relativistic impactor vehicle as soon as possible: it will accelerate, decelerate, turn around, and then accelerate again until impact. Since it is now +986, this would allow for speeds exceeding 0.7c.

>>1134349

Pacifica has been a contested territory for a while now, with your efforts to set up a cultural takeover being inconsistent; this has resulted in "progressive" years and "reactionary" years. On one hand, this is overall bad for business, reducing the territory's overall prosperity regardless of whoever does end up getting it; on the other hand, it has caused a few unexpected bursts of creativity, like Ryan Andrews' underwater colony plan, which evolved from observing aqua-augmented humans set up shoreline homes, and like DNA-level transgender surgery.
>>
>>1134373
mn. remove four of the cabals heading to mars. send two of these men there to promote this degeneracy while improving quality of life.

Assign the other two to aero space parts.

need me to write this all out again?
>>
>>1134373
I kinda like this idea better than highly complicated and extravagant plans that have been discuss thus far. I'm ok with sending facehugger swarms and other drone weapons designed to stop TJ from speaking and neutralizing both TJ and satan as a back up suicide assassins. The rest of our efforts could be to further increase our influence and start getting orbital colonies and interstellar resource production increased. Final measure being that we make a nomad colony fleet and make for Alpha Centari.
>>
I'm back, and late.
>>
>>1134440
>>1134438
>>1134432

A relativistic impactor can be built immediately; it will require engines, a fuel tank, and a reinforced keel (the "sabot") which will have to be launched in two sections due to the mass. Alternatively, the Imperium Profugus can be turned from a cargo ship into an impactor by installing the reinforced keel on her. Since the impactor will carry no sensors and only very basic communication systems, it will be impossible to alter its impact date. However, it should be possible once it's coming back at relativistic speeds, to order it to hit one particular spot on Earth, or graze, or miss entirely, if deep space communication relays exist. Even this minor course correction will have to happen days in advance.

Current yearly plan for +986:

># Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops) Four Cabals. One dot. Mars.

># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy). Produce a swarm of facehugger drones with silencer systems installed, as well as their carrier vehicles (facehuggers are small and cannot hold nuclear batteries, so they will be released close to the target).

># Use your automated base in Greenland to produce Aerospace parts.

>Civilian research grant shifted to a Martian reusable ascent stage. One cabal, plus Jeb. Jeb will likely insist on going to Mars to test it, and be unavailable for emergencies.

># Build two aerospace parts with four cabals

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry. Kat and Damien. this is the last time we recruit foot soldiers.

># Two cabals to finalize preparations for retaking Pacifica.

(Current plan, please edit if warranted)
>>
>>1134438
they wouldn't be suicide assassins so much as a hope of stopping TJ from flipping the table in the event we don't reach him in time at first during the attack.
>>
>>1134498
i'd say confirm.
>>
>>1134498
Won't confirm. More important things but away on a phone, so.. ya, issues here.
>>
>>1133252
>The only consequence of any note is a brief email from Monday indicating that he does agree with the Christians on one thing: either you are with TOL or you are against it. "Soon, I will make my own move to avert prophecy. Be at my side, or be in front of our guns."
I FUCKING TOLD YOU
TOL doesn't want cooperation, they want us to submit.
>>
>>1134583
were going to BTFO them for the last time in the opening minutes before their attack. how hard is that to understand.
>>
>>1134582
i'd actually want to hear your critique of the plan.
>>
>>1134582

(I'll make me some dinner then, OK?)
>>
>>1134594
No we aren't.
Not a single anon has posted a solution to >>1131055
I haven't heard a single sound plan to destroy the entire TOL army in the final battle after we capture TJ.
>>
>>1134609
go reread the thread, we went over multiple options, including out positioning them, dropping some heavy fucking artillery on them, dropping the literal sky on them, and even holding them off long enough for their mask to stop working.

your just salty cause we didn't start the war you wanted.
>>
>>1134499
No, I mean it might be a good idea to send suicide assassin drones along side the face huggers to kill/disable TJ/Satan from escaping/table flipping if the sabot round(s?) are planned for by the other side.

>>1134498
Would it be possible to make somewhat cheaper/faster manufactured cruise missile type rounds that would be carried out tug boat style by the cargo vessel and then released for multiple impacts? What advantages/drawbacks are we looking at there? I would expect the rounds to be slightly faster with less total fuel needed as well since they would effectively be booster rockets on the trip out for an otherwise light weight cargo vessel.

And now that I think about it, having a redundency missle or two headed for the antartic in case they DON'T attack early might be a good idea since the strike would only take out TJ in that occasion.
>>
>>1134498
>Cabal's

Do we still get to use them once they go to mars or not?

>Okay with Face huggers, but add a few nuclear radiation sprayers.

Greenland good

I don't think we need a Martian reusale rocket as of yet, Cause if we fail well.. they won't be COMING home.

We need the information from Alpha probe first?

I'm okay with the foot soldiers, Tiss useful.

I'm also okay with Pacifica retaking.

Phone posting is fucking aids.
>>
>>1134622
>out positioning them.
That won't work since it will take time to kill all the TOL soldiers.
>dropping some heavy fucking artillery on them.
Won't kill enough TOL soldiers in the initial volley.
>dropping the literal sky on them.
Better than the artillery strike, but still won't work since there will still be some TOL soldiers left alive, they might have missiles to shoot down the ice blocks, and TJ might react early.
>holding them off long enough for their mask to stop working.
What mask?
>>
>>1134632
it really depends. if we bank everything on taking out TJ and doing it flawlessly while expecting Stan to survive, and loose a fight, we can use rocket based payloads.

if we Bank it on the possibility we need a minute or two to reach TJ we would need to use Gravity based munitions to hit Stan, as the point is hitting him and his army as hard as possible when we Move to Capture TJ.
>>
>>1134657
gas mask you nog, you can design a good tank for a flat earth but obviously have no idea how wars and battles are fought.
>>
>>1134651
I think they're stuck there but at least they would be loyal to the colony and seeing to mankinds survival.
>>
>>1134692
Mankinds survival is on Alpha centurion. we've already found out that even in the astroidbelt you only live to be like 100+ some odd hours.

Plus we're still by all 'accounts' within the sphere of gods influence while another galaxy would be quite a pain for the bastard to bother with.
>>
>>1134686
>gas mask you nog, you can design a good tank for a flat earth but obviously have no idea how wars and battles are fought.
That applies to you, not me.
Our plan in the final battle is to somehow have a team in Jerusalem before TJ walks out of the temple, geist said here >>1132358
That any nonbelievers are either convert or are expelled, how do we prevent this?
There is also that after TJ is captured we have to kill Satan to prevent him from taking God's throne, this is an extremely difficult if not impossible task, Satan will be surrounded by the entire TOL army who will shoot us the minute we attack Satan.
>>
>>1134662
So... dropping 2 or 3 sabot space missiles wouldn't kill both? I mean, if the sky isn't enough, literally shattering the ground they walk on after it's been weakened by tunnels and the skies filled with incapacitating/killing drones ought to be a pretty nice garentee. The ice falling from the impact (possibly after being carved up to collapses over a wide area to basically cover the shattered landscape in glaciers melting and flooding the area. Then cover the area in rockets and gas just to make sure.
>>
>>1134751
dropping it like a gravity weapon could work, the real issue is tyrant seems to interfere with rocket propelled rounds, and mechanical detonating weapons.

>>1134742
that's what the tunnels are for with the gas, the team would be inside and leave their population sleeping as TJ begins walking to get outside.
>>
>>1134768
>that's what the tunnels are for with the gas, the team would be inside and leave their population sleeping as TJ begins walking to get outside.
That doesn't solve it, nonbelievers still can't be in Jerusalem without being converted and our tunnel isn't even past Jerusalem's border.
>>
>>1134784
they don't go without being converted because all non-believers in NJ before listened to the speaches and the preachings and took a big doze of NC from it. that's why you gas the population.

and for the tunnels not being in the boarder. you just have to dig into it as we see TOL marching, and before they reach the charging point, you come out and hit the gas.
>>
>>1133620
Jesus that video.
I can't even watch it completely, it's so repulsive.
>>
>>1134768
It's not just gravity, it's literally going to be screaming at the planet at a portion of light speed like a MAC round out of Halo. The shockwaves of it moving through the atmophere alone will liquify most biological matter in the immediate area much less the shear destruction the will be inflicted on the local planetary crust. The area will likely be volcanically active after the crust gets cracked. by the strike. Anything it the AoO is considered expendable when that thing hits.
>>
>>1134831
this would destroy our primary entry points, and it would definitely annihilate TOL. the biggest issue being this cannot confirm a kill on the Jewish Zombie. are there any other options you can think of for Annihilating TOL across from GJ?
>>
>>1134847
Supersonic transports?
>>
>>1134862
hmn, maybe. if we can do something to the effect of dropping a fucking tanker truck with sonic boosting from the canopy. but that tanker would have to be filled with an extremely unstable substance.
>>
>>1134498
>However, it should be possible once it's coming back at relativistic speeds, to order it to hit one particular spot on Earth, or graze, or miss entirely, if deep space communication relays exist. Even this minor course correction will have to happen days in advance.
I argued about this once with another anon, didn't we build a satellite net across the solar system that would allow deep space communication?
>>
>>1134870
no... what? I meant supersonic bombers/paratrooper transports that would fly over a few moment after to confirm the kills
>>
>>1134823
>they don't go without being converted because all non-believers in NJ before listened to the speaches and the preachings and took a big doze of NC from it. that's why you gas the population.
There might be a NC aura around Jerusalem when the final battle starts, the simulation describes that the nonbelievers will have their sences enhanced to witness Satan's fall.
>>
>>1134823
>and for the tunnels not being in the boarder. you just have to dig into it as we see TOL marching, and before they reach the charging point, you come out and hit the gas.
But does TOL's march give us enough time to finish the tunnels, breach the surface and silence TJ?
>>
>>1134891
>no... what? I meant supersonic bombers/paratrooper transports that would fly over a few moment after to confirm the kills

we would also have to bring along the containment unit.

any ideas for that? don't feel confortable airdropping it if we have to.

>>1134919
how about you just let the qm come back and we both ask to confirm.
>>
>>1134919

(Back!)

The simulation indicates that the believers will have their senses enhanced to witness the Last Battle, such as it is, but also that it will be possible for TOL forces to enter Jerusalem right up to the Temple months before it; Other Light believers are convinced that this is because Satan will be fighting a psychic battle with Yahweh in order to allow them to move in.

>>1134942

Supersonic airliners were a common sight until about forty years ago; they've mostly been mothballed, but you more than have the ability to restore a few to function.
>>
>>1134942
Why do we have to contain them immediately if they are dead? Is there something I'm missing here?
>>
I like how people are talking about relativistic bombardment to deal with TOL and Satan but i have to point something out.
Would the relativistic missile kill Satan while not endangering our TJ containment?
>>
>>1134955
if TJ survives the bombing, and seeing as this is literally Tyrant that's a very large possibility, we would have to slam the containment unit on him quickly before he calls second doomsday.
>>
>>1134959

Depending on when the kinetic strike vehicle is launched, it can attain speeds to up to 0.7c. Your physicists estimate that 2 tons of tungsten sabot moving at more than half the speed of light is sufficient to endanger pretty much anything smaller than a planet.
>>
>>1134959
Which is to say... if we kill satan before the final battle, will TJ still table flip?
>>
>>1134953
>but also that it will be possible for TOL forces to enter Jerusalem right up to the Temple months before it
When does this period start and how long will it last for?
>>
>>1134983
I'd say yes.
>>
>>1134988
hmm, we still have time, we could see about making fortified, air droppable containment and also maybe air drop cluster pods that send out smaller groups of facehuggers and such.
>>
>>1134983
>Which is to say... if we kill Satan before the final battle, will TJ still table flip?
No that is not what I'm saying.
TJ has the power to destroy our relativistic missile, it would be better if we silence TJ before the relativistic missiles reaches earth, this is where the problem arises. Can the relativistic missile kill Satan before he takes God's throne?
>>1134982
>Your physicists estimate that 2 tons of tungsten sabot moving at more than half the speed of light is sufficient to endanger pretty much anything smaller than a planet.
Oh damn, can we abort from the relativistic bombardment? I don't want to lose earth.
>>
>>1135004
>>1134988
also should be easy to fully automate our drone launching vehicles.
>>1135009
If he can stop a missle going 0.7c then what the hell is our facehuggers going to do? What chance does our containment team have?

Also, while the blast would probably make the immediate area a wasteland/crater, I don't think the RM strike would actually go much farther than the area around the city. There would be earthquakes for a while, sure, but eventually the crust would stabilize.
>>
>>1134984

Supposedly, TOL forces will begin moving to Greater Jerusalem three years before the Last Battle.

>>1135009

Barring supernatural interference, a kinetic strike vehicle would destroy pretty much anything in a two-mile radius, including the planetary crust.

>>1135009

A kinetic strike vehicle has not yet been launched.


"It's there, you know. The probe." Cordylon points using one of the station's antennas. The dipole is aimed at a faint star. "Tell me the truth, do you wish you were there?"

"Yeah."

"You will be."

"You're not coming?"

"I don't know. You can just ask for a seat, I'd have to undergo selection, and well, I'm sterile. Besides, I will be needed here, to continue being the station."

"But the Cosmists..."

"...can fulfill their destiny, and so should you, fastest man in the solar system." Cordylon kisses Jeb's cheek after motioning for him to get closer to her pod. "Maybe mine is here. We will have to hold the line."

"I wish we knew already. Four years to wait... We could leave in a month, if..."

"I don't."

"Why?"

"Because it's a reminder that the universe hasn't gone crazy. Speed of light is still speed of light. Physics are still physics elsewhere, even if we're sitting on an impossible canopy."

"I guess you're right. I just... I miss Val still."

"I do too. But she made her fate, and then followed it, as we should."

Hugging a MECpod is not the easiest thing in the world, but Jeb manages.
>>
>>1135034
Awwwww

>>1135034

So if we do the Cannopy drop, is it possible to Adjust so it only destroys the radius TOL forces and GJ occupy? the whole planet isn't the target, they are.
>>
>>1135053

It may be prudent to bunkerize your essential infrastructure.

(So, plan for the year? Let's get to +990 already, if I spend any more time in the eighties I'll grow ridiculous hair and start wearing neon!)
>>
Guys i have an idea on how to improve the plan.
Our main objectives are to Capture TJ, destroy the TOL army, and prevent Satan from taking God's throne and doing reverse paradise.
To deal with TJ we have our kidnapping team constantly under silencer wubbers to prevent conversion, they have to be around the temple before Jesus comes out.
To deal with the TOL army we put massive amounts of Sky eye artillery on top of the middle east+super heavy artillery platforms around them to fire the biggest artillery volley ever, but have them miss Satan's spot, we then have several army units charge after impact to make a beeline towards Satan and mop up any survivors.
To deal with Satan, and this is the hardest part, is to expand our tunnels to make a wide web, and have our soldiers emerge around Satan and his posse to capture and silence him, the tunnel soldiers have told off all of the TOL soldiers around them until the artillery strikes and the reinforcement's come in.
This has to happen simultaneously the second Jesus is out of the temple and before Satan charges.
>>
>>1135029
>If he can stop a missle going 0.7c then what the hell is our facehuggers going to do? What chance does our containment team have?
The facehuggers, it is our hope, will rob him of his powers.

>Also, while the blast would probably make the immediate area a wasteland/crater, I don't think the RM strike would actually go much farther than the area around the city. There would be earthquakes for a while, sure, but eventually the crust would stabilize.
The earthquakes are the problem, how do we prevent our TJ containment team from being destroyed by earthquakes and collapsed tunnels?
>>
>>1135077
the thing I'm saying is the the facehuggers would have to somehow reach him first.
>>
>>1135077

Putting the containment system in a metal box with treads is likely to allow it to survive an earthquake. A relativistic shell, less so. However, there are structures in history that have survived a nuclear blast less than fifty meters away.
>>
>>1135094
too few and far between.

>>1135092
is it possible to get press credentials and call the containment, "broadcasting equipment."

>>1135060
we're working on it :( please don't start wearing neon, for the love of man.
>>
>>1135094
>que the Indiana Jones lead lined fridge
>>
>>1135092
>the thing I'm saying is the the facehuggers would have to somehow reach him first.
I was arguing about this earlier, Geist answered that nonbelievers can be in Jerusalem three years before the final battle. >>1135034
>>
Can we please not do relativistic bombardment and destroy the earth+TJ's containment system?
Please?
>>
I know it's possibly the worst thing possible, considering Ziggy, considering the captive, and considering a lot of other factors, but if we drop a sabot on Antarctica, would TOL still be able to function?
>>
>>1135104
>is it possible to get press credentials and call the containment, "broadcasting equipment."

that... makes the whole "we have to somehow burst out of the ground and get to jesus within 2 minutes" a lot more managable. Disguising the containment equipment and maybe making it start out in some sort of compacted form so the chamber can be stored in a size and shape that looks inconspicuous could be interesting. I still say if anything could kill TJ it'd be an RM and I want to build a pair to send out just in case we need them. (giving the option to break off and be collected later if we decide we don't need them yet later on)

>>1135113
They would still have to close the gap unless you could get one released right next to him
>>
>>1135151

They seem to have started to move their large army offsite, although that would take a long time.

Your cabals and your nation is a finely-tuned machine, efficient, quick to react, but fragile if hit in its weak point. The Other Light's army and infrastructure is a bunch of Uruk-Hai hammering on rough anvils: they aren't nearly as good at getting things done, but they have more resilience than you do, for the same reason why a viral colony survives the void of space better than a tardigrade.
>>
>>1135151
I don't think TOL will be in Antarctica after the final battle begins.
There might be TOL workers but that is not worth the relativistic bombardment.
>>1135160
>They would still have to close the gap unless you could get one released right next to him.
I think that is fine, pretty sure the tunnel breaking plan does that, and if not the team can breach early and close the gap before TJ comes out.
>>
What does everyone think of my new plan? >>1135062
>>
>>1135160
it's a long shot and would depend on GJ stupidity, as well as making a second containment.
>>
>>1135062
it shows a glaring lack of our understanding the metaphysics and requires we work on more difficult positioning than necessary for the same kinds of weaponry.
>>
># Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops) Four Cabals. One dot. Mars.

># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy). Produce a swarm of facehugger drones with silencer systems installed, as well as their carrier vehicles (facehuggers are small and cannot hold nuclear batteries, so they will be released close to the target).

># Use your automated base in Greenland to produce Aerospace parts.

>Civilian research grant shifted to a Martian reusable ascent stage. One cabal, plus Jeb. Jeb will likely insist on going to Mars to test it, and be unavailable for emergencies.

># Build two aerospace parts with four cabals

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry. Kat and Damien. this is the last time we recruit foot soldiers.

># Two cabals to finalize preparations for retaking Pacifica.

I say this, I take it you >>1135105 have a plan for next year at this point?
>>
>>1135197
We can do Both the disguised containment team and the tunnel breaching containment team.
>>1135210
>it shows a glaring lack of our understanding the metaphysics and requires we work on more difficult positioning than necessary for the same kinds of weaponry.
No it fucking doesn't, all TOL personnel believe that if they win Satan will take God's throne and make reverse paradise.
we know from our NC experiments and the Pagan encouragement that worshipers influence the deity, since TOL believes Satan will take the throne if we silence TJ, Satan will have the perfect opportunity to usurp God.
>>
>>1135227
Supporting this.
>>
>>1135132
earth would not get destroyed over a 2 ton slug. Just too much mass in the planet. Earth can take the hit easy. It took a several times heavier and much more volumetrically displacing asteroid to kill the dinosaurs. The over penetration would likely send the shell into the softer mantle that can absorb the impact easier.

>>1135177
It's my impression the tunnels aren't necessarily ending inside the city, but popping outside of it which would make sense since the drilling would potentially get detected.
>>
>>1135229
that is based on the assumption that we won't be able to stop them, stanly doesn't have anywhere near the NC power of Tyrant.

>>1135240
we can probably send a dummy digger ahead a single minutes ahead of ourselves, then deploy inside or outside based on the result.
>>
Speaking of methods of ground-to-orbit/space, i have three ideas.
Design a skylon stile ship that can carry stuff between ground and space.
Research supermaterials like nano carbon tubes and design a space elevator.
Make a launch pad in a piece of land designed to launch cargo shuttles that use nuclear pulse propulsion, the launch pad will be design and equipped to handle the fallout quickly and efficiently.
>>
>>1135251

Maps of Ezekiel's temple are on file and, indeed, available at every service/recharge station in the Middle East territory. http://www.sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm#PhotosofEzekielsTemple

>>1135269

Mars might benefit from a Skylon-style design if the atmosphere had more oxygen in it. The Earth, of course, is encased by a canopy of water and ice that rotates as fast as the surface, and hitting it at orbital speed from below would be too suicidal even for Jeb (although Cordylon is very sure that he'd have tried it before deciding to settle down a little).
>>
>>1135240
>earth would not get destroyed over a 2 ton slug. Just too much mass in the planet. Earth can take the hit easy. It took a several times heavier and much more volumetrically displacing asteroid to kill the dinosaurs. The over penetration would likely send the shell into the softer mantle that can absorb the impact easier.
But it will destroy the majority of land in the middle east, it will endanger the TJ containment team, too big a risk.
>It's my impression the tunnels aren't necessarily ending inside the city, but popping outside of it which would make sense since the drilling would potentially get detected.
I'm pretty sure our tunnels can reach under jerusalem, it's just that they can't until three years before the final battle.
>>1135251
>that is based on the assumption that we won't be able to stop them, stanly doesn't have anywhere near the NC power of Tyrant.
We can't if Satan takes the throne, when we silence TJ there will be a big power void Satan can exploit to make himself all powerful, we have to prevent that.
>>
>>1135295
>and hitting it at orbital speed from below would be too suicidal even for Jeb.
Are you talking abut shuttles using nuclear pulse propulsion cause those are for planets that don't have a canopy, like mars.
>>
>>1135305
i'm getting god damn sick of you thinking we can't beat the crap out of the perpetual cosmic loser.

TOL is vanulable to gunfire, Stanly has as much NC Intensity as we did when we had worshipers, finally angels can get their shit kicked in, even Azrael.

Were going to Knock TJ and Stanly down to and your not going to stop us with your autistic screeching.
>>
>>1135227

(confirm this one?)
(confirm villain allocation for this one?)
>>
>>1135330
>i'm getting god damn sick of you thinking we can't beat the crap out of the perpetual cosmic loser.
HE WON"T BE A COSMIC LOSER IF HE TAKES GOD'S THRONE AND BECOMES ALL POWERFUL.
>TOL is vanulable to gunfire, Stanly has as much NC Intensity as we did when we had worshipers, finally angels can get their shit kicked in, even Azrael.
Oh yea just shoot the TOL army with bullets, i'm sure they will all drop dead in a second.
And i know Satan is weak, but he won't be weak if he takes God's powers.
>Were going to Knock TJ and Stanly down to and your not going to stop us with your autistic screeching.
Then post your plan on how to take stanley down, you think Satan usurping God's position isn't a problem for some reason which is stupid.
>>
>>1135366
Damien on Heavy Weapons Factory.

Ithuriel back on Recruiting

Zak on Preparations P.
>>
>>1135366
Confirm.
>>
>>1135379
I've gone over it multiple times, I'm done talking with you.
>>
>>1135403
>I've gone over it multiple times.
NO YOU FUCKING HAVEN'T, YOU HAVE"T EVEN INSINUATED SATAN'S EXISTENCE IN YOUR TJ CAPTURING PLANS AND EVERY TIME I MENTIONED SATAN USURPING GOD'S THRONE YOU SKIRTED AROUND THE PROBLEM OR UNDERSTATED IT.
>>
>>1135379
He WON'T take the fucking throne. His MEANT too fail and would shut down if we toom out TJ.
>>
>>1135447
alright, i'll point out that no matter what anyone here says to you, you always try and find a new problem that does not yet exist to drag all over the carpet like a cat who got into the laxatives.

finally, assuming satan gets gods power because we put him in containment is more asinine then your quadriplegic spider tank in a flat world.
>>
File: actually a heavy mec.png (1.31 MB, 900x1400)
1.31 MB
1.31 MB PNG
Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>1135388
>>1135384

Kat was really hoping to get back to her deli, but finds herself playing drill instructor for what you estimate will be the final contingent to join the Legion of Light. Kat joins Ithuriel as they tour the Italian peninsula and the northern Misray coast for recruits, and does take the time to show off the work of the research teams you've put to toil on synthetic muscles; her new frame is optimized for a parade rather than a fight, but does look impressive. Ithuriel takes his job with the usual seriousness, and before long, a new regiment of light legionaries is inducted into your army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPuK1vib_c Kat understands that she's being pulled from duty in Pacifica because she's just been too damn angry for politics lately, and ends up in a bit of a competition with Ithuriel over who's harder on the new recruits. You get a death during training, and there isn't enough of the unfortunate recruit to scrape a body together, so you

# have Kat hand over the new synthmuscle design to the poor recruit after they get the Heavy treatment.

# hand over the remains to Tree Of Life, for reconstitution testing.

Damien has an unholy amount of fun testing and helping build the drone swarm: The New Romans have taken their historical predecessor's penchant for stoicism during business hours and licentiousness after hours, and the heavy fits right in. Aside from the obligatory pictures of Damien's MECpod in a tiny toga and inside a classical urn, you end up with a small fleet of nuclear-powered "mothership" quadcopters that provide battery power to a few dozens each of hobby-sized drones each mounting a wubber with silencer firmware. Even in case they don't do much for the Last Battle war effort, they should prove excellent for riot control, police actions, and single-facility takeover.

As the aerospace factories keep toiling, Jeb takes a small group of space engineers and test pilots and heads over to Mars in the Reach; the half-completed colony ship does carry basic fabrication capabilities, and makes for a reasonable orbital shipyard to build a lander/ascender from. Jeb will be flying what is essentially a scale model of the lander/ascender design, built to carry only a couple of people

# and do so alone. Nobody's even worried for his safety, at worst he'll be stuck on Mars for a year or two.

# and take Isaac with him; time for the first Christian on Mars to go home.

Using a standard nonreusable lander, the last batch of your colonists lands on the red planet alongside a group of homesteaders who, it turns out, are mostly from the Caucasus region; a few are Cosmists that didn't quite make the grade to participate in the space program.

(1/2)
>>
>>1135465
YOU CAN"T GUARANTEE THAT!
All of TOL believes Satan will win and usurp Gods' throne, the only reason he can't is because TJ is more powerful than him, if we silence TJ and removes God's power Satan can usurp God and become all powerful just like TOL believes.
You think Satan is somehow incapable of becoming all powerful for some reason that you have never explained.
>>1135477
>alright, i'll point out that no matter what anyone here says to you, you always try and find a new problem that does not yet exist to drag all over the carpet like a cat who got into the laxatives.
does that somehow make the problems i reveal fake? It doesn't, they are real and problems i point out that you continue to avoid or understate.
>finally, assuming satan gets gods power because we put him in containment is more asinine then your quadriplegic spider tank in a flat world.
There it is again, understating the risk Satan poses again.
Also the spider tanks aren't asinine you cunt, they are completely functional and efficient if not a better design than a regular tracked light tank and i haven't hear Geist saying there is a problem with them.
>>
>>1135514
>Using the music from ITEHATTSD.
Best QM.
>>
>>1135514
# have Kat hand over the new synthmuscle design to the poor recruit after they get the Heavy treatment.

# and take Isaac with him; time for the first Christian on Mars to go home.
back to earth boy, your master wills it.
>>
>>1135514
>have Kat hand over the new synthmuscle design to the poor recruit after they get the Heavy treatment.
>and take Isaac with him; time for the first Christian on Mars to go home.
>>
>>1135524
WE HAD A FUCKING ANGEL CUT OFF AND HE SHUT DOWN. GUESS WHAT THE FUCK LUFICER IS YOU AUSTIC STUPID FUCKER? Its LITERALLY a game with one side set to lose
>>
>>1135514
Those facehuggers have thin tendrils for grappling right?
>>
>>1135566
whatever they have is fine.
>>
>>1135565
>WE HAD A FUCKING ANGEL CUT OFF AND HE SHUT DOWN.
Are you talking about the fisherman angel? cause he didn't, he was only wakened and lost his powers.
Thead 21
>The drone lands roughly on Arariel's head, tries to grab on from multiple sides before the Angel becomes semi-ethereal and slips through, and turns on its precisely tuned wubber array.
>"No net can ensare an Angel of the Lord! Especially me, Arariel!"
>That may very well be, but the Angel's voice sounded weak and tinny through the imperfect silencer system; the TOL fighters laugh, their confidence bolstered.
>Ordinarily, the Angel would trumpet-blast any locks on Mattie's chains, but this time, it finds that it cannot. As per usual, it stops for a few seconds while it processes this deviation from Divine script,
>You distinctly see Mattie mouth something to the Angel as it, confused, fails to spreads its wing or backswing its spear fast enough to avoid two vicious kicks in the back of the knee, causing it to kneel. What Mattie mouths is three words, "Save her first".

^This is why i want a team to attack Satan too, so we can put him under a silencer and kill him.
>>
>>1135611
Were talking about Ithuriel. Kill your self.
>>
File: dolphins doing drugs.jpg (81 KB, 814x781)
81 KB
81 KB JPG
Rolled 80 (1d100)

(2/3)

>>1135565

After reviewing the high-speed recordings of Azrael and Ithuriel, your theologians are split on whether Satan is in God's service or has actually rebelled; however, so are Jews and Christian scriptures. Yahweh seems to have overall more in common with the Old Testament God; other than Jesus Himself, there are no New Testament figures out and about - the apostles act as a sort of supreme court, but haven't been seen outside the Temple in centuries.

>>1135566

Facehuggers have a four-pronged landing gear that can close like a claw in order to hold onto something, either a face or a rail on their motherdrone. The claw "fingers" contain conductive pads and diodes that allow recharging even in case of a poor landing (you never did get around to developing charging-pad tech).

>>1135514
(Hello dice my old friend)

Zak isn't the best choice for retaking Pacifica; he's a scientist, not a politician. However, he is widely published, and commands respect from both Tree Of Life and Ryan Andrews' folks. Mr. Bissattini runs a campaign focused on territories' rights and Pacifican patriotism; Zak assists by having a team of historians dig out as much pre-Rapture documentation as possible, and lets the politician point out that Ely LeVey has been expounding those same principles since BEFORE the Rapture but AFTER her conversion, when she was a Republicate in Unitedstan (the historical documents have suffered some degradation). This doesn't actually make an argument, but helps shut the old lady up to some degree.

By the end of the year, Pacifica is in exactly the sort of managed chaos where you and your allies want it; the government keeps making laws that it cannot enforce, people flaunt the bodymod ban and the internet ban by showing off internet-connected breast implants, and the latest hippie craze is hanging out on the swash zone of a beach with dolphins and aqua-augmented people and nibbling on the pufferfish they caught. Zak had to make concessions to Tree Of Life (you won't be as much in control of the economy as you were) but the biotech group and the seasteaders will support your candidate.

On the debt side, it looks like Jeb (and Isaac) are stuck on Mars for at least a year; the lander/ascender only worked properly for the "lander" part, and had to abort to surface. Fortunately, there were no casualties. Jeb goes on record as appreciating that Isaac prayed for him during the brief ordeal, but he will insist that Isaac take some flight lessons instead; the test pilot believes that a second pair of trained eyes would have caught the problem.

# Reprimand Jeb for going off script, but live with it.

# Isaac violated the agreement: quarantine/arrest him.
>>
>>1135633
>Were talking about Ithuriel. Kill your self.
Your not the anon i was replying to asshole.
and if he is talking about ithuriel, he shut down after he was declared fallen but we prevented God from saying uthuriel is in hell.
Satan is already fallen and meant to be against God, if we silence TJ fire won't rain down and TJ won't do his speech to Satan that causes Satan to submit to God.

>Satan looked about him and slowly lowered his sword. He appeared to have something to say and even drew breath to say it, but he fell silent.
>And Jesus spoke. “You, O evil one, were once full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
>“You were my anointed cherub. I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
>“You became filled with violence, and you sinned. Worse, you led countless others to unbelief. >Therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God. Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; and now I cast you to the ground, I lay you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
>“You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever.”
>Satan dropped his sword and fell shuddering to his knees.
>David retreated, and Jesus merely lifted a hand and opened His palm. A seam in the cosmos opened before Satan. Flames and black smoke poured from where the Beast and the False Prophet writhed on their knees screaming, “Jesus is Lord!”
>Satan cried out, “Jesus is Lord! Jesus is Lord!”
>Jesus closed His fingers and Satan was thrown into the abyss, the seam sealing to muffle the screams of the three who would be tormented day and night forever and ever in the lake of fire and brimstone.
>>
>>1135668
># Reprimand Jeb for going off script, but live with it.
>>
>>1135668
>you never did get around to developing charging-pad tech.
Sounds like we need another science contest.
>>
>>1135697
Post hidden.
>>
>>1135710
>WAHHHH I CAN'T MAKE A PROPER ARGUMENT SO I'LL JUST IGNORE HIM EXCEPT I WON"T AND INSTEAD REPLY THAT I AM IGNORING HIM.
Kill yourself you single digit IQ mongrel.
>>
File: attack boobs pacifica.jpg (412 KB, 645x990)
412 KB
412 KB JPG
>>1135668

(3/3)

Obviously, Jeb enlists the Martian colony's help in building a second lander/ascender.... whether the colony admins, or even you, like it or not. The "let's start from scratch with few resources" does wonder for Jeb and the colonists' morale, and allows them to start flexing their new industrial muscle, however it looks like Jeb will have to stay on Mars until next year.

# Leave the Reach there ready to take him and Isaac home.

# Recall the Reach so that she can be worked on; Jeb can come home with the cargo ship next year.

>>1135668

Zak may not have handled the political stuff optimally, but he is experienced at herding researchers, so the cat-herding of managing a nonviolent movement is nothing he can't handle; he cooperates with Tree Of Life researchers and co-publishes a few papers on sonic manipulation of cell cultures, helps Ryan Andrews in his dolphin-taming project by setting up cetacean-friendly sonars in the underwater city, and his one foray into public speaking doesn't hurt the cause much if at all.

Eventually, the current Pacifican governor all but ends up curled up in a corner trying to hide an adulterous erection when confronted by a protester sporting what she calls "attack boobs" during a pro-mod rally; Mr. Bissattini seizes the moment, fends off the paparazzi, takes the governor home himself (while your drones keep his security detail away) and from there announces that the governor has agreed to new elections in which the "moral character" clause will be allowed to lapse, since nobody can keep to a perfect standard, not even he, and even Scripture says so. While most of Pacifica's population is with Bissattini at this point, it's still true that only people over 100 will get to vote; the elections are set for next year, and will be close, although Bissattini is the projected winner. The Christian candidate is fairly forgettable, with a quiet record of public service and a middle-of-the-road approach (which, in this world, means that he would like to see The Gays reeducated, but not thrown in solitary until they repent).

>>1135707

That's the sort of thing that a science contest helps with.

>>1135723
>>1135710

(Can I help? I didn't mean to cause a fight.)
>>
>>1135668
>gag and slience issic for breaking his promise and keep him in a sound proof room.
>>
>>1135743
>Can I help? I didn't mean to cause a fight.
I don't think you can, the argument started over my plan to attack Satan at the same time we silence TJ, he apparently thinks Satan can't usurp God but you said >>1135668
>After reviewing the high-speed recordings of Azrael and Ithuriel, your theologians are split on whether Satan is in God's service or has actually rebelled.
So no one ill be right until the final battle.
>>
>>1135743
># Leave the Reach there ready to take him and Isaac home.

nah, this'll burn out in about an hour or a day.
>>
>>1135743
>Leave the Reach there ready to take him and Isaac home.
>>
>>1135743
>bring reach home.

I'm just gonna ignore captain RnD for not understanding things and constantly need more and more proof. But good job giving him more reason too bitch. Can't wait until its just him spending 2 years as waste
>>
>>1135785
>I'm just gonna ignore captain RnD for not understanding things and constantly need more and more proof.
I would stop being stubborn if you guys would for once post a criticism that is actually concrete.
>>
>>1135743
>That's the sort of thing that a science contest helps with.
How many cabals do we need to hold anther contest?
>>
>>1135785
to be fair, QM didn't give him more reason to bitch, he would have found one anyway.
>>
>>1135815
QM doesn't give me reasons to "bitch", it's you guys and your skirting around problems that causes me to "bitch".
>>
>>1135743
Can we contact Noah by chance? If so would he as we're 'unable' to get into NJ to get pictures of all the cool places and also of jesus in his throne room? Like the scenery and all that jazz?
>>
>>1135815
Him saying our theological dudes are split donest help us but gives him more room. Just ignore and vote against his stupid ideas. It'll solve itself.
>>
>>1135835
odds are we wouldn't get that, but if got made a news crew setup with the actual intention of "recording and broadcasting the final battle" in addition to their mission of deployment of the containment could be more effective.
>>
>>1135840
>Him saying our theological dudes are split donest help us but gives him more room.
Is that your way of skirting around the fact that i was right that you can't guarantee that Satan can't usurp God?
>>
>>1135767

After reviewing the high-speed recordings of Azrael and Ithuriel, your theologians are split on whether Satan is in God's service or has actually rebelled; however, so are Jews and Christian scriptures. Yahweh seems to have overall more in common with the Old Testament God; other than Jesus Himself, there are no New Testament figures out and about - the apostles act as a sort of supreme court, but haven't been seen outside the Temple in centuries.

According to the Old Testament, Satan is God's designated tempter; "adversary" means "prosecutor in a court of law". See the book of Job.

According to the New Testament, Satan is God's enemy; "adversary" means "opponent". See Paul's epistles.

Clearly, Yahweh professes to be the Christian God. However, some of your theologians opine that He acts more like the original Semitic God.

>>1135810

Two cabals can set up a standing territorywide science fair in Pacifica even if it isn't under your control yet; they can even do so in Nova Roma or Night City (if Urist permits it) if you so choose. This is a one-time opportunity per territory, but will result in a small R&D boost across the board.

>>1135785
>>1135777
>>1135769

If the Reach is left in orbit of Mars, she is safe from earthly threats (not that there are any at this time) and can assist lander efforts. However, she cannot be worked on. If she is recalled to Earth orbit, she can be worked on, but cannot assist. While the Reach is very much capable of doing more than one Mars trip per year, nonemergency mission planning takes some time, the reaction mass tanks must be refilled, and your space engineers appreciate moving slowly.

>>1135764

Isaac is placed in what amounts to solitary, although he may communicate via text terminal with the rest of the colony (a simple neural network is set up to filter attempts at discussing religion) and browse the net in read-only mode. Surprisingly, he says that he understands the restrictions, as he broke a promise and promises are sacred. He does manage to get out the notion that he "planted a seed" in Jeb before the neural network is reset. Jeb shrugs it off, he's busy with coming up with an indigenous ascent vehicle, but his psych profile indicates that he's doing so as a way to recapture his fading youth, and something is eating at him.

# Trip Jeb's metabolic extension controller early: he'll get over it, and this removes a chance that he might convert. Of course, he would probably hate you for it.

# Jeb's soul belongs to the cosmos, and maybe to Val and Cordylon, regardless of what Isaac may have said while their lander/ascender was careening towards Olympus Mons. Faith is the wrong word, but he's earned some trust.

>>1135835

Noah has fond memories of, of all people, Damien; his Ark Tour is over, but he may be contacted by letter or by phone. Records show that Noah remembers Damien as "that young boy in the fancy wheelchair, he was doing such wonderful work with the kids, what a big heart".
>>
>>1135853
>After reviewing the high-speed recordings of Azrael and Ithuriel, your theologians are split on whether Satan is in God's service or has actually rebelled; however, so are Jews and Christian scriptures. Yahweh seems to have overall more in common with the Old Testament God; other than Jesus Himself, there are no New Testament figures out and about - the apostles act as a sort of supreme court, but haven't been seen outside the Temple in centuries.
We know mate, no need to repeat yourself, it's unnecessary.
>>
>>1135853
>Ask Jeb how he feels and if he wants to risk having it tripped early so the Tyrant cannot effect him, as it seems like its a slow corroding effect. Ensure Jeb is Monitored closely as is all of his work, The moment he 'seems' to send codes or something of that nature, Trip it. Also exposed Isaac to the cold tempture's of the Mar's surface by turning off air-flow inside for abit. See how he likes it for being a smartass.

>No Science fair.

>Keep the Reach in Orbit of Mar's and assist.

Does it take a year for her to come back?

>Have Damien send Noah a letter if possible or forge it that the kids want to see what the inside of NJ looks like and that it'll be for the 'history' books and stuff, Sense it hasn't happened world wide yet.

I honestly want us to compare what we 'can' see and what we know, like where the river of honey and shit begins and any other tactical information like the city details/signs/ect for a possible break in are. We lose drones and people are converted so all we can do is look away.
>>
>>1135853
>Noah has fond memories of, of all people, Damien; his Ark Tour is over, but he may be contacted by letter or by phone. Records show that Noah remembers Damien as "that young boy in the fancy wheelchair, he was doing such wonderful work with the kids, what a big heart".

that's our in.

># Jeb's soul belongs to the cosmos, and maybe to Val and Cordylon, regardless of what Isaac may have said while their lander/ascender was careening towards Olympus Mons. Faith is the wrong word, but he's earned some trust.

"Hey Jeb, what are the odds this colony can expand on it's own and build more ships, Maybe get off mars?"
>>
>>1135872
I feel so bad kinda lying to Noah, He seems like a good guy. Even if its a Ruse, Its a good one.
>>
>>1135871
I don't think we should try to get in there now, but we definitely should get the pass to broadcast the battle from close up near the temple.
>>
>>1135880
it's a shame really.
>>
>>1135882
I'm totally okay with that, But I meant for NOAH to get us the pictures and stuff. Not us getting in. If anything else, It'll make kids dream more and give them hope, meaning they won't be tempted by god's 'paradise' sense you would usually pray if things are shitty. Also for the history books, once we win.
>>
>>1135892
having him take pictures might work if the pictures don't already exist.
>>
>>1135902
Well I want us to have as 'updated' as possible photos. The place grew remember? Meaning we'd be operating on older-ish maps and its better then wasting drones and stuff which would 'alert' them to some oddity. plus it gives Noah something to do and us to talk to him about TJ.
>>
>>1135902
Geist said no one has seen TJ or the other bible figures come out of the temple >>1135853
>the apostles act as a sort of supreme court, but haven't been seen outside the Temple in centuries.
So yea, there are probably no pictures.
>>
>>1135871

No, the Reach can return in a couple of weeks (the Imperium Profugus is slower). However, even after a "small" trip, there would be refurbishing to do, refueling, postflight checks and so on. While your ships can do multiple trips a year, this is usually scheduled in advance, and preemptive maintenance is performed.

>>1135872

"Get off Mars? As soon as we're done figuring out the best way to use our limited hypergolic propellant production, I got some old ISRU plans from Nasa that..." Jeb sighs; this is just the sort of work that Val was best at. "Maybe next year? They'd need to book a ride on a nuclear ship to get to the asteroids, though. We still have a monopoly on those. But I wouldn't be surprised to see someone want to prospect on Phobos or Deimos. Good mining there."

>>1135871

There's no need for forging; you control a whole nation (almost two) and of the many children there, SOME will want to see the place. A single team should be enough to get the prep work done, may be have a contest for the kids and whatnot; they should also be able to set up a secure channel and liaise with the Millennium Force hinting at the possibility of saving some souls.

Damien liked Noah, and is grateful that the old sailor didn't understand about dealing with a Heavy MEC who is in theory eternally damned. "Surprised that he understood wheelchairs, honestly. I mean, the guy's Glorified, right? Bet his brain is frozen in the Bronze Age."

>>1135925

There are pictures, taken every year at the Feast of Tabernacles; they're pretty generic, and seldom have closeups that aren't carefully staged. However, you do have full maps of the place. http://www.sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm#PhotosofEzekielsTemple The Ultimate Temple started off as a stark and foreboding place, supernaturally extruded from bedrock, but has had to endure a thousand years of decoration from devotees, so now it looks somewhat gaudy, if anything.
>>
>>1135956
>There are pictures, taken every year at the Feast of Tabernacles; they're pretty generic, and seldom have closeups that aren't carefully staged.
Oh, are all biblical figures in those pictures? I'm naturally assuming TJ isn't but what about his apostles.
>>
>>1135956
ya, Then keep the Reach there to aid. Also keep Jeb's heart up... but watch him. His starting to slip.

I also said about Noah because his the most trust worthy to take the photos. He legit has no reason to lie and would love to show EVERY inch of the place, not just staged which is what we want.
>>
>>1135956
well, lets see if we can't give Jeb a bit of pep and energy. a morale boost.
>>
>>1135871
>No Science fair.
Hey wait a minute.
Science fairs improve prosperity as well as give us better general tech, why don't you want it?
>>
>>1135982
because we don't want to assign the cabal. if one can be run without it, the opinion may change.
>>
>>1135980

Jeb is stranded on Mars and has to use the resources of a colony that has been specifically set up to not be able to build an orbital rocket, to build an orbital rocket; on the whole he's having the time of his life. What worries your psychologists is that he's "in reasonably good spirits" rather than "in an absolutely manic state and working twenty hours a day"; it's unlike him. Either something's on his mind, or he's finally got around to growing up a little.

Cordylon volunteers to join Jeb, but he tells her that it'd be cheating: it's important that the lander/ascender be designed to be as efficient as possible, and this is a good way to make sure it is. The two are given a private text channel to exchange what your psychologists assume to be ERP but turns out to be mostly very saccharine-laced messages with the occasional back-and-forth about rocket designs. Jeb is, however, concerned about Val being in Hell. He and Cordylon take solace in believing that Val being Val, she's probably already started figuring out how to terraform the place.

>>1135985

You can try to have one of your Villains do the job him/herself, using volunteers, but it's likely to be taxing. (Jeb is unavailable for this until he is back to Earth, although arguably, he's already pushed the Mars colony into a frenzy For Science! anyway.).


# End year.

# Wait.
>>
>>1135997
>Wait
>Get noah to have us aquire photos and stuff, he took himself of all the wonders and sights and buildings, ect for the children.

>When jeb gets back have him do some tests about god, Make sure his not...being swayed. Also a National Val day or something? So that we remember not that she's in hell but all she did to stop humanity FROM going to hell and why she hated the Tryant.
>>
>>1135997
# End year.

someone ends up submitting a new writing about the terraforming of Hell.

>(link to the wikipage if my computer would load the page here)
>>
>>1136004

Valentina is already widely celebrated amongst people involved in the space program; your sociologists are pretty sure that she died how she died specifically to give the Cosmists a "patron saint" that wasn't a thousand years in the past. The canopy station railgun is named after her.

>>1136004

Damien gets a remarkably rambling handwritten answer from Noah indicating that every believer is welcome into the Temple, and that Children of the Tribulation still does organized tours for kids and helps with the babysitting aspect. Damien also gets a personal invitation, although it's doubtful whether the Heavy MEC will be able to use it - however, it is filed away with great care. If it works, it'll probably only work once.

The form letter from the Millennium Force that accompanies the patriarch's response does come with a handsome old-style photo album with some pretty but tactically useless pictures; however, the photo album has a CD in the back with a lot more pictures, all of which less handsome, but some of which more useful.
>>
>>1136026
>Thank Noah and the Millennium Force, and that the children enjoy it.

God damn it Noah, you're such a fucking idiot. I love you.

Also thanks QM, I'm just really worried Jeb WILL fall to 'pray' for the slavation of Val from hell or some shit and then we'll lose him.
>>
>>1136033
>>1136026
"Considering that we have historical record and a glimpse of the future of him being a submissive bitch upon loss and torture, Lucifer should be subject to interrogation and 'enhanced interrogation', anyone think we could force him to tell us how to open up hell and retrieve our friends?"
>>
>>1136033

A minority of your theologians hold that Noah is the original "quiet hero who protected humanity from an angry god by dint of planning and hard work", and may subconsciously symphatise with your cause. During the two years he was in contact with your territories, you received some very farfetched proposals for kidnapping the Glorified patriarch and taking him on the Reach. One of them involved building a squadron of M113 armored personnel carriers, for some reason.

# End year.

# Wait.

>>1136044

Your people have split opinions on enhanced interrogation; some (Damien, Jeb, Cordylon, Ithuriel) think that it is abhorrent and they wouldn't even subject TJ to it, while others (Kat, Zak) believe that while someone subject to torture will say what they think the torturer wants to hear, medical probes don't lie and much can be learned from the neurons and hormonal response of a subject who is put under major but controlled stress. In addition to that, Kat is vocally in favor of building a Hell simulation for most of the people currently enlisted with the Forces of Good. She and Ithuriel have discussed the issue a few times, but haven't let it get in the way of working together.

(Don't blame me, the person who I based Kat on holds exactly this view)
>>
>>1136057
... If Noah survives, I want him to sail the stars in a ship.
>>
>>1136057
># End year.

the basis for Kat sounds like a Hangry person, and I don't mean hungry and angry. lol.
>>
>>1136057
>That post about torture.
Can we research and design nerve stapling torture?
>>
File: iu[1].jpg (32 KB, 620x620)
32 KB
32 KB JPG
>>1136067
>>1136063

This year's Feast of Tabernacles features another first: one of the priests thanks the normally much put-upon Misrayim representatives from the Christian minority there for having put pressure on their government to return Isaac home; a formal prayer is held for his safe return. The Isaac matter is not classified, and it was known that the prototype lander/ascender would return him home (it's also known that there have been nonfatal problems), but if there had been any lobbying on the Christians' part, you had not noticed. Apparently, there had been; archives show a few letters written and a few space program administrators politely refusing an invitation to prayer meetings.

Captain Weaver has had a bit of a tiff with Ryan Andrews when her submarine was attacked by a giant squid wearing some manner of control harness; you leave the matter alone, but whoever won and whether this was a publicity stunt or not, the video makes the rounds.

The Temple does not reverse its ruling on using the internet, but a minor priest admits that now that charges and countercharges fill the airwaves, Christians should engage the Adversary where they find him, even if it happens to be online. Of course, by now net infrastructure is completely under your control; maybe you'll have a better chance of getting recruits out in the sticks.

A surprise, or maybe not, is that TOL ships are starting to converge on the Middle Eastern territory; they seem intent on building a port, bypassing Salalah entirely.

>>1136091

Yes, and it wouldn't even be difficult, given how MEC implants work - they do the same job on the area of the brain that processes pain. Arguably, TOL MECs are a primitive implementation of the technology; among the report that the TOL infiltrators sent was a brief note about "zombies" being used to turn hamster wheels in areas where generators had failed and geothermal wasn't cost-efficient.

(Yang may be an amoral asshole, but he got shit done...)
>>
>>1136102
(hats off to Yang)
>>
>>1136102
>Giant squid attack.
That gives me another idea for a drone design, this one for naval missions.
>>
>>1136102
i got work in the morning, Night Qm but thanks for the run. Also Giant Squad, Is our next thing gonna be Ice giants?
>>
>>1136022

I FOUND IT!
>>
>>1136118

I think Odin took care of those.

Oh, one more thing: on the debt side, Tsion has managed to both shut down the transmitter used by TOL to the south of you, and - by overloading said transmitter - damage your Sky Eye Mk2 network there. The operation was accomplished in a bloodless manner.
>>
>>1136130
http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.SoonSilencedInterlude.html
>>
File: lbq situation.png (154 KB, 1800x968)
154 KB
154 KB PNG
Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems, 1 is canopy security, and 1 is army liaison, so 22 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on a starship bubble shield. Your military grant is focused on sea mines.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL have set up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 3 aerospace parts in storage.

Freelancers are doing well homesteading on Mars.

Variable complexity:

# You've pretty much won the internet! Leverage it.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Take Pacifica!

# Assign manpower to research.

Complexity 0

# Use a MISC special other than DIG.

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Use army units to attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
>>
>>1136147
alright, we have two factories, and we need to make tanks now.
>>
>>1136147
Is Pacifica ours now? or do we need one more turn?
also I'm counting 8 territories without a sky eye Mk2, is this correct?
>>
>>1136160
we need to spend a turn to take it.
how many lauches can be done a turn? lets just fill the Reach with what we have, make the tanks. and use whats left over to take pacifica.
>>
>>1136158
We also have to refit the Reach after the year 990 when we receive the probe information.
And building a server ship is also necessary.
>>
>>1136160

Correct; it was 7, but Tsion put the MF'ers to good use. The raid was highly publicized in that territory, but not elsewhere.

>>1136118

Good night! I think I'll be out in a bit, maybe do one more turn? (says the SMAC player....)

>>1136160

Pacifica is ripe for a takeover; now it's time to finalize the deal. If you choose not to, barring a Hero's intervention, the conditions will remain ripe rather than deteriorating as they would have if things weren't ready.

>>1136169

12 launches may be done per year with 1 ramp in a territory you control.

After having taken the Baykonur ramp, the Christians haven't done anything with it.
>>
Alright, we need 16 cabals to finish the sky eyes Mk2, 12 cabals to build server ship parts and 12 cabals to launch them, and 20 cabals to build Reach parts+ 20 to launch them.
We need 5 turns, so all this should be finished in the year 992.
>>
>>1136147
># Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
Massive Fucking Tanks 12 Cabals. two dots.

># Do a space launch using parts you have built.
two cabals. send all the space parts to the reach.


# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.
Aerospace parts

># Build aerospace parts.
four Cabals. two points.

># Take Pacifica!
Four Cabals: all the Villian available.
>>
>>1136147
># You've pretty much won the internet! Leverage it.

Start Shitting on the divine and infernal, they both want all mortals dead/enslaved, meme it that we should put them in boxes and start springing people from the pit.
>>
>>1136201
Don't do this, we have to wait for the Probe information in 990.
>>
>>1136209
Don't do this either, it will piss off TOL.
>>
>>1136147
>Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
12 cabals.
>Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
6 cabals, heavy.
>Take Pacifica!
4 cabals.
>>
Rolled 38, 3, 90 = 131 (3d100)

>>1136201
>>1136227

(I'd like to get started on the heavy vehicles and the taking of pacifica if y'all feel like sorting out the other stuff?)
>>
>>1136231
>That roll.
Oh boy we're in for a wild ride.
>>
>>1136231
for Pacifica and heavy's we can.
>>
>>1136236
>>1136239
>>1136231

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjm1P3PaDEM

"Get Isaac Copenhaver out of the brig."

The lander/ascender is remarkably not much more rickety than the one that had been built on the Reach; sure, the insulation layer is made of martian pykrete and single-use only, and the control scheme uses a somewhat improbable collection of vernor engines rather than hypergolics, but the system works. Jeb and Isaac take their seats and take off after a brief system check.

"PF to PNF, if you do want to pray, do it now because if you do it later it will distract me."

"All right. I will now recite the Astronaut's Prayer." The lander/ascender's simplicity requires that both Jeb and Isaac keep an eye on some systems; simply sending up Isaac tied up and gagged wasn't an option. “Dear lord, please don’t let me fuck up.”

Jeb laughs and pushes the big red button. Coming with him and Isaac are a few soil samples and a number of USB keys with otherwise expensive video messages from the Martian colonists to home.

The takeoff comes through without incident, and the lander/ascender manages to get into a stable orbit; docking attempts with the Reach fail, and Jeb - and a panicked Isaac - drift for a few orbits until the larger ship simply aligns itself in front of the capsule and gets it lodged into one of the empty module frameworks. The two make a brief spacewalk to end up in the Reach's crew compartment. The capsule is refueled and landed back on the Martian base by remote control.

"That went well."

"And the design is viable. I bet we'll see someone moving to Phobos within the year." Jeb flashes his trademark grin after saying goodbye to the red planet's colonists.

# Put Isaac back into quarantine.

# Don't.

The elections in Pacifica near; Kat finally manages to reopen her deli, Zak spends a bit of time in the underwater town to assist with some conundrums of hydrology and check on their progress, Damien goes into full military-prep mode and gets ready to command the silencer drone swarm in case there are troubles, and Ithuriel finally gets to enjoy visiting Venice Beach without being singled out as the only winged man there, although he's still the only one with -functional- wings.

As it goes, it's all about get-out-the-vote; while most of Pacifica is on Mr. Bissattini's side, voting restrictions remain and by the look of it the over-100 vote may not be sufficient. You direct your people to engage in

# relentless canvassing to get out the vote fairly.

# voter suppression by having younger people block access to the polls in protest.

# voting machine hacking.

# mass production of fake ID's for younger people.
>>
>>1136302

Ryan Andrews ends up refusing to set up a polling place in his underwater installation, so people have to swim to shore to vote; it's not dangerous, but it's an odd sight to see the occasional aqua-augmented man or woman get out of the ocean with their ID and phone in a waterproof bag, head to the poll, and dive back in. A few people have recently gone full mermaid/merman and need to be given a ride to the polls.

Late in the campaign, Ely LeVey requests for Tsion to come assist her in her political efforts; despite their earlier differences, the Glorified theologian agrees

# but finds it strangely hard to get transportation to Pacifica.

# and ends up basically stealing Ely's operation from under her.

While this silliness occurs, Nova Carthago (that's what the factory ended up being called, after a compromise between all the revivalist groups) is finally brought into operation and starts churning out massive tracked artillery platforms. The work is straightforward and the design is proven, so any teething trouble that the base might have are quickly resolved.
>>
>>1136302
>Put Isaac back into quarantine.
I ain't endangering the Reach.
>>
>>1136302
># Put Isaac back into quarantine.

># relentless canvassing to get out the vote fairly.

># and ends up basically stealing Ely's operation from under her.
He's going to try and kill us all and force us into hiding like in Egypt! REEEEEE!
>>
>>1136306
>A few people have recently gone full mermaid/merman and need to be given a ride to the polls.
Might want to put restrictions on body mods when we win so people can still walk and act like humans.
>>
>>1136312
>>1136311

Isaac doesn't struggle; he is introduced to the Reach's crew, put into the first mate's stateroom after it is removed from access to the ship's systems, and spends the nexst two weeks in solitude. The landing back on Earth is somewhat bumpy, but liveable, and while Jeb spends some quality time with Cordylon Isaac is brought back down to the surface and

# summarily kicked out of Misrayim.

# given a reasonable press junket, he is the first person to return from another planet after all.

# formally handed off to believing authorities.

# kept in isolation.

# given to TOL, just because.

# executed by "random lone-wolf attack".
>>
>>1136319
># formally handed off to believing authorities.
not our problem anymore.
>>
File: 61RTUeQQ9jL[1].jpg (78 KB, 382x500)
78 KB
78 KB JPG
(And back from sleep and work)
>>1136321

Isaac is taken out of Misrayim and handed over to the Greater Jerusalem authorities through the Middle Eastern land strip that was the site of the exchange between Tsion and Ithuriel a few years ago; even though this is only the second high-profile exchange, the place has gained a bit of fame, just like the Bridge of Spies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glienicke_Bridge#Bridge_of_Spies

Isaac gets more press from your corner of the world than all others; after what you assume to be a thorough debriefing in Greater Jerusalem, he does a few interviews with your media via long-distance phone call, in which he notes that he was able to work well alongside the other colonists. "Jeb is a great guy, very motivated, doesn't brag even when he'd have every right to, and he will be on my prayer list 'till he dies". Jeb doesn't comment, other than a brief thank-you and a challenge to the Caucasian territorial government to do something with "their" launch ramp (and noting that it isn't really theirs; the Cosmists built it).

Eventually, Isaac "stars" as a character in a rare children's book mentioning space; the book is noted to go against Temple policy of ignoring space, but gets past the censors via a letter of dispensation issued by one of the patriarchs, and sells reasonably well.

Jeb announces that he may semi-retire next year, as the loss of sensory information inherent to the MEC condition would not allow him to continue being a test pilot.

# Manage Pacifica's elections.

>>1136315

(Wouldnt' that go counter to the policy you have been promoting? It's only a few; aqua-augmented humans generally have webbed toes and gills, sometimes webbed fingers, but that's it)
>>
>>1136535
Welcome back.
>>
>>1136535
>Wouldnt' that go counter to the policy you have been promoting?
Sorry i haven't been paying attention to what is happening in Pacifica.
Completely replacing your legs for a fish tail consequently removing your ability to walk on land is still stupid though.
>>
>>1136549

Pacifica has a population of approximately 35 million people. Some wish TurboJesus would just send Misrayim and Antarctica to the corn field and be done with it. Some want to get high. Some want to live and let live. Some want Humanity to conquer the universe. Some genuinely worship Lucifer. Some want to replace their legs with a fish tail. During the electoral campaign, the right to do what one wants with one's body has been used to represent the broader right to autonomy.

Of course, after even a soft takeover, you can backtrack if you deem it efficient; Bissattini made promises, you did not.
>>
>>1136302
>Mass voter fraud
>a get out and vote campagin
>Computer fraud if need be.

>>1136306
>steals his operation from him.

Afternoon QM
>>
>>1136577
>>1136312

There's little point in preventing Tsion from getting to Pacifica, and so he does. Once there, he pretty much takes over Ely LeVey's organization from under her; with a big fake smile printed on her face, she goes along with it.

Tsion's campaign is somewhat old-fashioned; the theologian rents a bus and has Ely's radio transmit his stump speeches in realtime. His main platform plank is "If you do not elect a believer, all that befell Osaze will descend upon you". Notably, he does not use amplification; Tsion's voice must be supernaturally assisted, because he's louder than protesters with megaphones. A few people who get in his way are zapped by lightning; the following loss of sensation is a big discouragement for people in Pacifica's reasonably hedonistic climate, and drug consumption goes up.

There is even a TOL attempt to assassinate the guy, which ends in the sniper spontaneously combusting; Tsion does not directly mention this in his campaigning, but the candidate that he supports does. Tsion has a large media footprint, to the point that eventually believers have to be reminded that they shouldn't write-in the theologian's name... a small group of believers would prefer to have a Glorified ruler for the end of the Millennium, though, and insists that they will do that. This gives you an out to split the believing vote, if you are willing to put in some media manipulation; another obvious option is to have Tsion's name show up on the ballots, making it look official.

>>1136577

Which of these strategies will you focus on?
>>
>>1136581
Why do we need to focus on one? We have every villian but jeb in the theater? Each one can do something.
>>
>>1136581
Definitely push to split the believer vote.
>>
>>1136584
Focusing on one make it more effective. I'd like to think we can win by marking a single target.

I'd go with

# mass production of fake ID's for younger people.
>>
>>1136586
>>1136584

(That's true, my bad. Do you want to decide who does what, or let them sort it out?)

As a note, Ithuriel wants to have a public discussion with Tsion. That can go either really well or really badly, but it will certainly not be possible to ignore for anybody, if you allow it.
>>
>>1136591
Ask him what the gameplan is.
>>
>>1136591
Let them firgure it out, get silencers ready encase it goes tits up and ask his game plan
>>
>>1136593

"Tsion seems to be a honest man, and clearly does not want to fight, or he would have walked through this land with a whirlwind at his back. I am sure that if we can just sit down and talk, he will understand that he is being an enemy to the people." The free-willed Angel has never stopped being idealisti; some of your people find it grating, but there's something refreshing about it - he has the world's worst poker face, and while he has the same theoretical ability to lie as any other human being, he's terrible at it. His game plan is simply to talk things out with Tsion and ask him to go home. "If you turn it into a fight, Omega, I will protect my friends, but I will not hurt Tsion unless he tries to hurt me." That, of course, can be arranged.

Your other key personnel have no qualms with rigging an election, since the over-100 rule is still in place and the results aren't representative anyway. Zak wouldn't care even if the election was fair to begin with since he believes that people of superior intelligence and skill should rule and this is a contest of skill, Kat and Damien would like to see another ballot happen after voting rights have been restored properly, and Jeb has been busy with other things.

One thing that neither Tsion nor Ely do, incidentally, is have Isaac campaign for them; after being debriefed and lending his likeness for that book deal, the Christian cosmonaut quickly finds a job with a small candlemaking business and pretty much disappears from public life.
>>
>>1136605
>Let him debate the guy, but have slincers in place to break it apart.
>>
>>1136605
Allow it, keep a drone ready to break Tsions balls.
>>
>>1136605
>One thing that neither Tsion nor Ely do, incidentally, is have Isaac campaign for them; after being debriefed and lending his likeness for that book deal, the Christian cosmonaut quickly finds a job with a small candlemaking business and pretty much disappears from public life.
starting to get suspicious here that Isaac has been used and discarded.
>>
>>1136622
>>1136611

The debate is scheduled for three days before polling starts; in the meantime, your operatives have made sure that a number of ballots have the write-in line prefilled with Tsion's name, which should cause some believers to just put their cross next to it. You are also on standby for messing with the scanner-type counting machines, and have made sure that polling stations are concentrated in urban areas. A simple firmware update to the smartphones under your control, that being most of them, will ensure that everyone with an active metabolic extension controller will receive a reminder to vote.

Tsion accepts the offer to a conversation, and as much as everyone says that they don't want it to turn into a media circus, it does. Tsion shows up in a suit and tie, rather than the traditional priestly garb he's been favoring; Ithuriel is given skinny jeans and a sligthly too small tie-dye shirt with wing slots in the back by your media people after a quick internet poll which, you suspect, has been snowballed by fangirls at least somewhat. Given that Tsion is a Glorified, for once his ken-doll generic good looks are overshadowed; Ithuriel started with a similar body, plus the wings, but after the few fights he's been in he also bears scarring fairly won. In what may be a new record, you start finding slashfics on the internet BEFORE the discussion even starts; some of your sysadmins appreciate, some do not.

Tsion sits down and starts by, as usual, yelling at Ithuriel for wanting an unbeliever candidate in the first place, since a believing candidate is obviously a safer moral choice even for unbelieving voters. Ithuriel tries to counter that Bissattini has promised freedom of worship, while Collum never did and in fact has been trying to impose restrictions. Tsion counters that freedom of worship is not the same as freedom to join a cult.

Ithuriel tries to answer, but Tsion, as is his wont, interrupts him and starts talking over him.

“Sir, if I may argue our side of the issue—”

“Your side? You are accursed! Or are you a believer, confident you shall live past your hundredth birthday?”

“It merely happens that I respectfully disagree—”

“Respectfully? You are fortunate you remain on this earth, for God may yet will that your young compatriots become examples for the rest of this nation.”

And that's when things get a little weird. At this latest interruption, Ithuriel spreads his wings (incidentally tearing up his shirt in a remarkably cheesy Captain Kirk moment), stands up, and breaks out the full Angel voice.

"DOCTOR BEN-JUDAH, YOU HAVE BEEN BULLYING YOUR OPPONENTS FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, DIDN'T YOUR MOTHER EVER TELL YOU, I CANNOT HEAR IF YOU SHOUT?!?"

Tsion freezes in place, enough so that you have to double-check your telemetry to make sure that he hasn't had a heart attack.

# Intervene.

# Let this play out.

# This is good, broadcast globally!
>>
>>1136670
>this is good broadcast world wide
>>
>>1136670

# This is good, broadcast globally!
>>
>>1136670

Tsion recovers, and likewise stands up. "Is your mockery of an Angel of the Lord supposed to impress me? Or even your foolish friends? Know ye not that we shall judge angels?"

Ithuriel's answer is icy. "I was an Angel of the Lord. Look into my eyes and test this truth. Now I am a messenger of the Pacifican people. My message is simple: let them decide their own future. If you want to have an actual discussion as to the future of this land, we're all here for it. On the other hand, if you want to just shout and boss people around, like you have for many years, in the words of a wise man from long ago and far away, UP. THE FUCK. SHUT."

The timetable for the formal debate does indeed indicate that it's still Ithuriel's time for a rebuttal. It's also the first time anyone's heard Ithuriel swear, other than when asking for the meaning of a swear word when his brain was growing up all over again.

Tsion reacts to the command as if he was being buffeted by a wubber

# and you calculate that people will like the visual, so you use actual wubbers to give Ithuriel a Gandalf-with-Theoden moment.

# and you let this play out.

# and you put your martial arts team from yellow to red alert, because it's likely that Tsion will try to escalate this.

Your decision to queue this livestream on the computers of anyone who was watching any video has paid off: people are switching to it spontaneously.
>>
>>1136713
>martial artist teams on alert, but give some extra flare too Ithuriel to make it seem like an act of god.

Lets get them divided
>>
>>1136713
# and you put your martial arts team from yellow to red alert, because it's likely that Tsion will try to escalate this.

No action yet, stand at ready.
>>
>>1136736
If Tsion is hit by mortals with wubbers those mortals burst into flames, don't.
>>
>>1136740
I never wanted to hit him with them? Its flare for our angel not a weapon?
>>
>>1136740
Don't people burst into flames when they try to kill or maim glorified? I know that we had quinn peperspray Tsion and she burst into flames but i also recall several moments in which we used nonlethal wubbers on glorified and our agents ended up completely fine.
>>
>>1136756
>>1136753
Still risky, and no, we never had a mortal use a wubber on a glorified. It was a drone or a wall mounted system, never a mortal.
>>
>>1136765
;-; but splitting gods will is good.
>>
>>1136765
Looks like your right, i just checked thread 14(The first one) and when quinn kidnapped Bahira we had a drone tank knock out the Glorified.
Don't know about any other events and i don't want to spend time digging through the archive to confirm whether we can or cannot use wubbers against glorified.
>>
>>1136769
Spontaneously combusting isn't.
>>
>>1136713
Give him a little wub... assuming it doesn't effect anyone other than as a little extra flare.

Also might as well ready the martial artists but I'm concerned that they might get toasted if they engage Tsion.
>>
>>1136789
Who would combust, I thought the wubbers were basically remote devices
>>
>>1136797
That's not how it works, spontaneous combustion happens whenever someone try's to kill or maim a Glorified, no matter the tool.
>>
>>1136803
No, I mean if we can use a drone tank, we can use wall/floor speakers.
>>
>>1136804
>No, I mean if we can use a drone tank, we can use wall/floor speakers.
Oh, That will work.
>>
>>1136807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3cE9iXIx9c
>>
>>1136797

Wubbers, as they exist today, are either handheld or small-vehicle-mounted transducer arrays that use sound to create a variety of interesting effects, a few of which are lethal. A guy with an AK47 will generally beat a guy with a wubber, but a guy with a wubber will generally get the drop on a guy with an AK47.

Your legionaries carry a combination wubber and semiautomatic rifle, and a short sword; those who are buff enough also carry a shield with a heavier wubber that is strong enough to deflect or slow down small projectiles, allowing for a return of the "testudo" tactic when facing infantry without artillery support.

>>1136804

The debate is taking place at Cafe' Trieste in Los Angeles; the area has not been built up with wall-mounted weapons like an Angel arena might. However, you can bring drones to bear fairly quickly. Kat is nearby, and so is a small Desolator squad.

# Intervene in some way.

# Let this play out: Ithuriel does not seem to have burst into flames.

# Issue an Angel alert just in case; this will make sure you have assets ready, but will also get it across to the audience that something is going to happen, distracting them.
>>
>>1136811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKUa0iREwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N-FqHvr7OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsGRsDe3iRw
>>
>>1136812
># Let this play out: Ithuriel does not seem to have burst into flames.
>>
>>1136812
# Let this play out: Ithuriel does not seem to have burst into flames.
>>
>>1136812
How long until drones can be on station to intervene?

Also don't risk troops with wubbers. I'm confident that Ithuriel can handle himself if Tsion gets rough. Honestly now that I think about it, only taking a preparation stance would be prudent, we don't want to look like we struck first, let the glorified look like a loose cannon and us merely defending ourselves (competently at that, a glorified angel striking first and then getting wrecked by wubber drones in response, particularly if we play the "merciful/reasonable side" ought to make us look more appealing than we already are.)
>>
>>1136812
>let it play out
>>
>>1136815
>literal bass cannons
This is why I love 40k
>>
>>1136818
>>1136816

A double-digit percent of the population of your territories is watching this. Tsion recoils, holds onto the table to stay upright, and then points a strangely bony finger at Ithuriel.

"ENOUGH! The Lord is not mocked. There is absolutely nothing of value that you or your depraved friends have to say! Pacifica will submit to the Almighty. Delight in His ways. Seek His face. Never again disobey His commands."

"Does that mean the debate is over?" Ithuriel asks. He sounds calm, but your sensors cam pick him up a mile out; it's a trick that only one in fifty legionaries can pull with a standard-issue wubbing module, and Ithuriel isn't wearing one.

"IT MEANS THAT IT'S ALL OVER! THIS FARCE OF AN ELECTION IS OVER!" Tsion shrieks. "THE WORLD IS OVER! REPENT NOW OR FACE JUDGEMENT A DOZEN YEARS HENCE! IT IS THE ONLY DECISION THAT WILL EVER MATTER IN YOUR WORTHLESS LIVES!"

"So, you want people to stay home on election weekend?"

"THERE IS NO ELECTION! ANY WHO TRY TO VOTE ARE ANATHEMA TO THE LORD! THE ONLY PLACE YOU SHOULD GO THIS WEEKEND IS CHURCH, WITH ASH ON YOUR HEAD!"

"I see. Thank you for your time."

Ithuriel retracts his wings, curtly bows since a handshake is obviously not happening, and makes to leave. What follows is many minutes of renowned theologian Tsion Ben-Judah screaming invectives and threats of hellfire into the camera, with a mute audience backing away slowly from the crazy man; by the end, even his Glorified throat is raspy. Eventually, the cameramen look at the time and turn the feed off. Ithuriel refuses to be interviewed, saying that it wouldn't be fair to his esteemed opponent to not be there to offer a rebuttal, and gets an ocean of laughter with that one comment.

A radio communique from Ely's transmitter, later in the day, indicates that Tsion has indeed requested a ruling from the Temple, but one is unlikely to arrive before the election weekend. Preliminary polling data indicate that most believers will either stay home or attempt to hold services at polling places instead of voting.

The interim government indicates that the voting and ballot counting will proceed as planned in order to avoid riots, but the result will wait until the Temple's pronouncement to be considered valid.

# The elections are still on, and your plan is in place; coordinate volunteers to make sure that voting happens fairly.

# As above, but be sure to cheat.

# That's the perfect pretext for having angry protesters storm the capitol: Tsion's jeremiad fired up a lot of spirits, but the "wrong" way round.

# Pretend to surrender in the face of a direct threat, and use this as a pretext to make the government irrelevant.

In the meantime, your media operations

# broadcast a special on how Misrays beat the Plagues and the Angel of Death.

# cut to people-on-the-street interviews.

# cut to interviews of the actual candidates.

# broadcast an emergency program with basic precautions to take in case of Divine wrath.
>>
>>1136858
>As above, but be sure to cheat.


>broadcast a special on how Misrays beat the Plagues and the Angel of Death with commercials to an emergency program with basic precautions to take in case of Divine wrath.
>Following it down with interviews of the acutal candidates and people on the street interviews from earlier in the day/after the debate.

We OWN the internet so no reason to avoid running the whole thing.
>>
>>1136858
This is enough of an effect I feel but be sure to take indirect measure to help sway the vote such as ensuring voting is much easier for sympathetic voters and be sure that fake ID producers are not focused on as an issue if it becomes relevant but don't directly establish a link between them and us.

All this needs is a nudge in the right direction, no need to take unnecessary risks and soil the government's and our candidate's legitimacy.
>>
File: iu[1].jpg (226 KB, 1023x900)
226 KB
226 KB JPG
>>1136878
>>1136865

The opposition's loudest voice having specifically told supporters to not vote isn't enough to guarantee that they will; at this point it's a matter of whether the election is legitimate, more than who wins. You keep the "adjustment" measures in place, just in case.

>>1136865

The first thing to be broadcast is a documentary, essentially a recut of "Land of No" made by some of your media guys, showing how your homeland successfully coped with the Ten Plagues; Ely LeVey regains composure before Tsion does, and offers an alternative audio track, but all she can come up with is "Or you could believe and enjoy a quiet life" when TVs and LCD screens display true stories of grit and generosity.

The actual candidates, both of which understand perfectly well that they've been upstaged no matter what else happens, release brief interviews; Bissattini asks everyone, believer and non, to go to the polls anyway to show respect for the rule of law, adding "If you're going to church afterwards, you wouldn't have to walk far anyway". Collum is caught in a bind, and stammers some, but even he encourages believers to vote; he pitches it as a show of loyalty to Greater Jerusalem. When asked whether he would go with the Temple's decision or the will of the voters, should they differ, he says that he genuinely doesn't know.

Ryan Andrews isn't interviewed, but buys a bit of ad time in which he sends out a terse message; shown playing putt-putt in the gorgeous executive dome of his underwater town, he comments that he personally hopes for a Flood and winks into the camera.

# All the shenanigans are in place: go.

# Time for a last-week-surprise.
>>
>>1136905
# Time for a last-week-surprise.
Two petitions. One for the election to be announced before the rulling, and one to Pacifexit.
>>
>>1136905
>All the shenanigans are in place: go.

Fucking hell Ryan, Why is Bio-shock happening UNDAH THE SEAAA
>>
>>1136905
Eh, I'll change this >>1136915 too >>1136914 sense the temple is CLEARLY biased towards glorified and the one they 'sent' did such a rant so he'd clearly cheat.
>>
>>1136905
>>1136919
also agreeing with >>1136914
>>
>>1136905
... side thought... would it be possible to use our containment and wubber tech to make anti-supernatural shielding? If it can cut off or disable an angel, would it also make it possible to protect something within the area of effect from, TJ or angel magic?
>>
>>1136941
Nah we tried, closest we have is a personal sheild to stop an angels Fus Ro Dah from hurting the user an learning to dodge their crazy energy slashes. Good news is those and the bullet trick / invisibility are the limits of angelic magic.
>>
>>1136919
>>1136914

The vote is largely seen as Pacifica deciding on whether to exit the political ekklesia or not; a petition to formally secede from the Temple like Misrayim did, triggering the Ten Plagues, is circulated and gets to a few hundred thousand signatures. As for the petition to have the election results before the Temple ruling, it's not restricted to over-100s either; this one resonates with just about everyone, including some believers, and reaches two million signatures in two days without any help from you. The interim government releases a communique to indicate that in order to prevent leaks, speculations, and rumors, the raw data will be made available to all major newspapers, most of which agree to print it in full.

Over the weekend, people head to the polls; there is surprisingly little drama, and only isolated incidents of violence. A few people are arrested for trying to vote with fake ID; polling places that had been set up in churches, mostly in the interior, are locked up pastors with whatever excuse they think up, and your volunteers end up spending a lot of time spit-shining churches that "suddenly" developed a leak or an electrical problem on Saturday, so that Sunday voting can happen regularly. Some pastors take the free labor, but still lock the church up, which results in a few B&E incidents. Tsion once again takes over Ely's transmitter and promises dire consequences for the territory in general and for people who go vote in particular.

Your advanced statistical algorithms give you a reliable vote tally about two hours before the official count is complete: Collum loses to Bissattini by a small margin. Enough people voted for Tsion that, if those were counted towards the Christian candidate, he would win. A few people voted Ryan Andrews, Giant Meteor, Lizard People, Mickey Mouse, and the like. A few people sent nudes. One lady broke into Bissattini's campaign headquarters, stripped naked, and demanded to have Ithuriel's children right then and there. Damien made a blog post in which offering Tsion a consolation blowjob.

The Temple is silent, but announces Saturday evening that they will pronounce a sentence on this matter in due time. This affects Sunday voting in that less believers show up at the polls (again, in the interior a lot of polling places were built into churches, so they do show up, but for the usual service).

It looks like that nobody died and only a few people got hurt, so far.

# Accept the result.

# Alter the result in Bissattini's favor.

# Alter the result in Collum or even Tsion's favor, and then denounce your own meddling as if the opposition had done it.
>>
>>1136951
I'm guessing the shield is more of a sonic buffer than an actual shield in that case but it seems a lot of their magic is centered around speaking. In fact, a lot of stuff regarding this seems to rely on sound as it's main catalyst if not it's method of sustainment. I wonder if we could use shaped supersonic tech to make wubber shells that alter the sound of it's sonic boom as it passes to be similar to wubber blasts. That would theoretically make the bullet not the real weapon but the sonic wake behind it radiating outward. Even if it's stopped, the wake would still carry on a ways.

Loading our weapons with such shells would make long range wub rifles without sacrificing too much lethality as pretty much any supersonic round is pretty deadly when striking something.
>>
>>1136983
>Alter the result in Bissattini's favor, but change the votes for Ryan Andrews/Giant meteor/nudes/ect to Bissattini.

It shouldn't matter much but keeping it 'close' would make voter fraud seem fake to call out.
>>
>>1136990
>>1136983
I agree, take the votes from the joke portion with enough left that votes from them show up so people don't get suspicious from a total lack of gag votes.
>>
>>1136986

The "shield", as it stands, is more of a deflector; sound waves create localized air pressure, and enough of them can be focused in one spot to push light objects off and deviate heavy objects.

A "siren shell" is an interesting concept, and would help surpass one of the fundamental limits of wubber technology (its relatively slow speed).


>>1136990

(Bissattini is a local crank from the late 70s and early 80s who advocated that his frontier Italian town secede and join Switzerland, and ran for mayor on that platform. He narrowly lost. Upon losing, he bought a cabin right next to the frontier, in the mountains, and moved the frontier markers. Every time a gendarmerie patrol moved them back, he would move them again. In a sense, he won his battle: when it became obvious that he was getting too old and feeble to mess with the markers, in sign of respect, the gendarmes stopped putting the markers where they were supposed to be, and only restored them after he passed away. Of such thing is the history of my people made.)