>>916336
Time for some ded man gains.
Maybe we can refine the kioken into a superior technique.

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>>916336

>>916360
Perhaps

>>916374
Can we make it not wreck up our body as hard?
Then we'd have our multiplier.

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The Grand Kai's world is far roomier than the one belonging to King Kai. There's plenty of space for the many warriors on the world to train in relative peace, including yourself and your new mentor.

Olibu stands before you, his arms at his sides, his stance relaxed, yet with such an intensity in his eyes that you feel the instinct to retreat at the first chance you get. In terms of raw power, you know that you don't stand a chance against the likes of him, and your arm aches with a barely-recalled memory of your "encounter" with the man during your training under Kami.

"If you wish to train under me, I need to know for certain that you have the strength and dedication to endure it," Olibu tells you. "I'm going to subject you to the beating of your afterlife. I hope you're ready for it."

>A. Ask if this is really necessary

>B. Get into a defensive stance

>C. Charge

>D. Prepare to dodge his attacks

>E. Energy Blade

>F. Tell him you're not afraid

>G. Something else

>>916397
>B
>D

>>916397
>F. Tell him you're not afraid
>B. Get into a defensive stance
>D. Prepare to dodge his attacks

>>916397
>B
>D

>>916397
>B
>D

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Time for waifu's for luck

>>916397
>C. Charge

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>>916406
>>916414
>>916421
>>916428
ROLL

Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>916446

Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>916446

Rolled 87 (1d100)

>>916446

>>916462
>>916452
>>916448
A head-on assault would be the most stupid thing you could possibly attempt right about now. Of course, there's really not a good option in this scenario, but you decide to go for the more cautious approach.

Dropping into a defensive stance, you ready yourself for Olibu's attack.

He rushes forward, pulling back his right arm in obvious preparation for a punch. As you see it coming a mile off, you're able to move out of the way, hopping to the left as he strikes and evading it all together.

Olibu spins around, throwing his left elbow your way, but you escape into the air, quickly gaining altitude and watching as Olibu looks up at you in surprise.

Your gravity training seems to have given you extra speed, speed Olibu was not counting on. He held back on his opening attacks, but now that he knows how quickly you can move, you won't get so lucky a second time.

>A. Rain energy attacks down on him

>B. Kienzan

>C. Energy Blade

>D. Kamehameha

>E. Charge down and hit him with a Bear Claw

>F. Wolf Fang Fist

>G. Lightning Punch

>H. Bear Shout

>I. Kaio-Ken

>J. Something else

>>916483
>I. Kaio-Ken
>G. Lightning Punch
>F. Wolf Fang Fist
No reason to hold back right?

>>916483

>G. Lightning Punch
>F. Wolf Fang Fist

Stun locks with fast hard hits seems nice right now.
He seems to push hard for physical melee insofar.

>>916483
>>E. Charge

>>916483
>H. Bear Shout

>>916483
>F
>G
Don't want to waste too much ki and kaioken should be last resort ace for now

>>916487
>>916488
>>916499
>>916507
So combine them, firing a bear shout at him to distract/surprise him enough for us to switch into the wolf fang fist and charge it with lightning to land some hits?

>>916514
That should work.
>>916519
That should work

>>916514
That seems a little convoluted. I think we're fine using the the lightning punch to create an opening.

>>916507
>>916488
>>916487
ROLL

Rolled 60 (1d100)

>>916535

Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>916535

Rolled 10 (1d100)

>>916535

>>916545
>>916542
>>916537
You guys are lucky he rolled like shit this round

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>>916550
YES!

>>916550
>You guys are lucky he rolled like shit this round
>lucky

Well duh, that's literally the name of the game when you do opposing roll checks. It's ALL luck.

>>916555
>you will never see zamasu playing baseball to prove that he is superior to ningens in every way

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>>916564
Almost hurts as much as pic related.

>>916574
>Pathetic gohanfag detected

Get with the times grandpa. His time is done.

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>>916537
>>916542
>>916545
Olibu clearly doesn't expect much of you. Because of this, he underestimated your speed, and you were able to avoid his first round of attacks.

Perhaps he'll underestimate your power and techniques as well.

Focusing, you dust off a technique you haven't used in a good long while. You channel energy into your right fist, which begins to crackle with electricity. Glancing first at your first, you then look down at Olibu, who remains rooted to his current spot, eyes locked on you.

Fighting your nerves, you rush down toward the massive warrior, pulling your right fist back and preparing to strike.

Olibu, rather than attempting to dodge or block, instead cranes out his neck to offer you a better shot. Once again, he's being arrogant.

This proves a mistake, as your fist slams into his left cheek, sending electricity coursing through his body. He cries out in pain, his body briefly convulsing, and allowing you an opportunity to strike again.

"WOLF FANG FIST!" you shout, battering the warrior with a rapid series of palm and claw-strikes, finishing it up with a double-palmed strike that throws Olibu off of his feet.

He falls onto his back a few feet away, remaining still for several seconds.

>A. Bear Shout

>B. Barrage of energy attacks

>C. Kamehameha

>D. Kaio-Ken

>E. Tell him to fight you seriously

>F. Something else

>>916585
I really liked him and I'm incredibly frustrated at the fact that he is literally wasted potential. He's training so there might be a comeback, but I'm not counting on it. That said, I'm more of a Gogeta fag than anything.

>>916597
>E. Tell him to fight you seriously
>A. Bear Shout

>>916597
>E
We can't make gainz if he holds back.

DC to make a super bear shout?

>>916619
>super bear shout
fuck I wish I thought of that.

>>916597
>D. Kaio-Ken
>A. Bear Shout

>>916623
It was mentioned a while back by another anon when contemplating new moves.

>>916597
>>F. Something else
Charge

>>916619
>>916623
>>916632
Depends how you would define a Super Bear Shout

>>916597
>E
Won't get better unless we get our ass kicked

>>916597
>E. Tell him to fight you seriously
Start gathering ki on our arms in case he goes fast.

>>916650
Probably the same thing we did with Freeza

>>916650
Basically bear shout but with much more power behind it

>>916650
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Kamehameha
like that, but replace kamehameha with bear shout.

>>916670
>>916668
>>916623
>>916619
It would be a 60 if you guys want to do that

>>916675
I'll say do it then.
It's training after all.

>>916675
Hell yeah let's go for it. Olibu needs to learn.

Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>916675
That + Kaioken

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>>916680
>>916678
>>916623
>>916619
ROLL

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I can't post much but I hope the lewds will help you lot

Rolled 96 (1d100)

>>916688

Rolled 63 (1d100)

>>916688

Rolled 3 (1d100)

>>916688
Rollan
>>916692
Olibu should really take us more seriously.

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>>916688
Why did the ruin Videl's design

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>>916692
I'd like to dedicate this to my lord and savior, Mr. Perfect Cell. Nobody does it like you do.

>>916703
You mean perfectly?

>>916699
>Why did the ruin Videl
ftfy

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>>916699
You mean her personality.

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>>916706
exactly

>>916711
I mean both

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>>916711
Man...remember when Videl was a sassy fighter girl? Remember when she basically had Gohan of all people by the balls? Remember when she did stuff? Yeah.

>>916723
Not that hard to grab Gohan by the balls ask Chichi, Piccolo, and Vegeta.

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>>916758
While I do mean figuratively, I also mean literally.

>>916767
Bad

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>>916786
but oh so good to the hand

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>>916695
>>916692
>>916678
>>916657
>>916668
It's tie for Olibu to see just how much of a punch you can pack. Looking inward, you direct energy upward through your throat and into your mouth. The Bear Shout technique is one of your favorites, but this time, you put more energy than normal in it.

Opening your mouth wide, you unleash a massive wave of energy that engulfs Olibu altogether, shaking the ground and kicking up a massive cloud of dust. The beam continues into the distance, vaporizing trees and sending a few fighters scampering for cover.

A burst of energy blows the dust away, and you find yourself staring at Olibu, back on his feet and looking unharmed.

"Not bad," he compliments, cracking his neck and fists. "But, now it's my turn."

He drops into a stance, and springs forward, heading right for you.

>A. Avoid his attacks again

>B. Defend yourself

>C. Solar Flare

>D. Afterimage

>E. Bear Shout

>F. Energy Blade

>G. Something else

>>916821
>D. Afterimage
>C. Solar Flare
Use afterimage to get off a surprise solar flare.

And damn olibu is stronk

>>916821
A and C

>>916821
>D. Afterimage
>C. Solar Flare

>>916821
>>G. Something else
Charge

>>916827
this

>>916821
>>C. Solar Flare
>>D. Afterimage

We simply can't tank his attacks, he's going to wreck our shit with a few well placed attacks. Best to blind him and move to an advantageous location

>>916821
>D. Afterimage
Can we combine it with the speed technique we copied from Goku during our match with him to make it better?
>C. Solar Flare

If only we played it this smart in the preliminaries.

>>916845
We have a ki attack we can control and move at will right?
Could we make a sort of flashbang shot that we can control where it goes and when it goes off?
>>916850
Damn autistic shitposters.

>>916850
>If only more people voted against the trolls
FTFY, there were basically 10 unique ips at the time and about only 4 people voted

>>916858
I still regretting taking a well deserved nap while that thread started.

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>>916846
>>916833
>>916827
ROLL

Rolled 27 (1d100)

>>916892

Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>916892

Rolled 55 (1d100)

>>916892
Rolls for the jobbing god

please let Olive-Oil roll low for daddy

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>>916892
Oh my, that maid launch. I didn't know this was something I wanted

>>916850
Different anons who wanted the quest to die
But now we get ghost gainz

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>>916908
>>916902
>>916900

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>>916931

>>916931
We failed
Horribly

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>>916931
daddy no

>>916938
To be fair, this is one of those fights we're destined to lose.

>>916931
What I hate is shit rolls driving the story. Like... it wasn't poor decision making driving this fight. Blood for the dice gods.

>>916955

Honestly, I would like it more if rolls merely told how well we do instead of if roll < X. FUCKING CRITICAL FAILURE

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>>916900
>>916902
>>916908
As the massive warrior comes barreling toward you, you move as fast as you can, leaving an energy signature behind in the form of an Afterimage.

Olibu is not so easily fooled, however, and before you have the chance to attempt anything else, his mighty fist slams into your gut.

You hunch over onto his fist, not even seeing the other one coming to slam into your head, knocking you to the ground and sending you unceremoniously tumbling away from your opponent.

You feel like you were hit by two trucks...well, you feel the way a normal person would after being hit by two trucks. The pain is unimaginable, and you're frankly surprised your body wasn't ripped in half.

"Don't worry," Olibu tells you. "It's quite difficult to kill somebody a second time. In Otherworld, you can take a lot more punishment than you could otherwise. Good news for you, but also bad, I suppose."

Fighting through the pain, you rise back to your feet, finding that you can move pretty easily despite the pummeling you just received.

"Now, ready for more?" Olibu inquires.

>A. Attack head-on

>B. Kaio-Ken

>C. Kaio-Ken Times Ten

>D. Kienzan

>E. Solar Flare

>F. Energy Blade

>G. Something else

Daily reminder: SOM doesnt want us to be too reliant on Kaioken. We can get stronk without it

>>916965
how would you put this into practice? ive been on these threads for quite a while partially because im trying to learn what makes a good /qst/

>>916985
>C. Kaio-Ken Times Ten
>F. Energy Blade
I mean if we can go all out here, why not?

>>916985
>G. Afterimage
>F. Energy Blade.
I want that bonus back stab damage

>>916985
>C. Kaio-Ken Times Ten
>G. Afterimage, but keep in front of him instead of predictably going behind him.
>G. Bear Claw

>>916999
Wait hold on I mean
>G. Quadruple afterimage
>F. Energy Blade

>G
Kaioken x5
>F

Even if we are are dead, if we job a x10, SOM is going to make us suffer

>>916989
Do you know how to write characters people actually care about?
Do you know how not to waste words?
Do you know why harem shit isn't a good idea?
Do you know how to write good character interactions?
Do you know how to write good action scenes?
Do you know how to put a clever or logical limitation in place so the MC isn't complete Mary Sue?
Do you know how to write at a decent pace?
Those would be good places to start.

>>916985

>G. Something else

Kuma-ken! Focus in what makes the kaio-ken works and refine it.

>>917024
Oh wait DC for this SOM?

>>917024
I think we need perfect ki control first

>>917037

Tofoo has been training and being even better than goku in ki control since the Mr. Popo training days and the pseudo kaio-ken back in the eighter village. So I think he has the right amount of ki control to do it and I really doubt we need god ki tier ki control mastery to do it.

>>917024
>>917027
>>917037
You're gonna have to roll at least a 95 to do that in the middle of a battle

>All these people wanting to go Kaioken
The whole point of this is so that we don't have to rely on it when shit starts to get difficult. >>916985
>E
>A

>>917062
what would the "kuma-ken" even do again?

>>916985
>B then F,
time to step it up

>>917062

I will insist anyways, that should give us a lower DC for it next time we try it under more controlled circumstances.

>>917070
It would give you a boost in power, but without the massive long-term effects on the body, and with much less strain

>B
>F

>>917067
This is a fight so Olibu can assess our current abilities. We need to do everything we can do before we get stomped, kaioken included.

>>917079
Fine, then changing mine here >>917067
To
>B
>E
>A

>>917077
I mean
>C
>F

>>917070
It's basically a kioken that doesn't fuck us up.
>>917062
I'll go with my vote then.

>>917076
It seems a little far fetched, but I suppose it would give us a reason to try and accomplish it in training when we fail it here.

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>>916991
>>916999
>>917010
ROLL

Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>917105

Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>917105

Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>917105

Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>917105

Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>917105

Rolled 62 (1d100)

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>>917110
>>917112
>>917113

>>917092

It isn't that farfetched. Post-kaioken power boosters such as the millions of SSJ forms and golden freezer had pretty minor side effects and had much higher power multipliers than kaioken, and it is bullshit that kaio ken literally kills the user's body anyway as it is a ki booster, not a physical booster that in that case would rightfully strain the body for pushing it beyond its limits

>>917123
That's the difference between a racial trait and a martial arts technique. SSJ and Golden Form are something their genetics have changed to allow them to do, Kaioken pushes the body past it's normal limits mostly because it's a method of ki multiplication the body isn't really built for.

>>917123
Except all those others are Transformations, the Kaioken is a straight up technique.

>>917138
I think the reason kioken sucks is because a shit Kai with bad ki control made it.

>>917138

Racial trait would be zenkai, egg laying or multiple stage transformation. Those are just plain bullshit power boosts to justify skyrocketing the powers of the designated protagonists and an antagonist

>>917142
Even though he couldn't get the technique to work, it is a suitably powerful technique in it's own right. It has it's own drawbacks like any other technique. Kinda like how your liable to break your hand if you sock somebody in the face as hard as you can.

>>917110
>>917112
>>917113
"Kaio-Ken!" you shout, feeling your power double in an instant as a red glow surrounds your body.

Olibu frowns. "Your power's increased. Have you been holding back all of this time?"

You don't answer, extending your right arm and creating a blade of energy that stretches from and surrounds your hand.

Olibu moves quickly, his fist slamming into your face before you can make a move and sending you sprawling onto your back.

The red glow surrounding your body vanishes, and you're astounded to see Olibu reach out and grab your ki-coated arm, pulling you to your feet by it before twisting it behind your back.

His knee slams into your back, and you let out a pained cry.

"After such a strong start, this is rather disappointing," he comments, slamming his knee into your back again.

>A. Explosive Wave

>B. Kaio-Ken Times Ten

>C. Reach back with your free hand and create another Energy Blade

>D. Kamehameha Kick

>E. Something else

>>917162
>A. Explosive Wave

>>917162
>>>B. Kaio-Ken Times Ten
Fuck it.

There's less strain to our bodies here. Let's go all the way in. We have to keep mastering the Kaio-Ken yes or yes, fuck Som's railroading.

>>917162
>E. Kioken times three
>E. Quadruple afterimage.
>C. Reach back with your free hand and create another Energy Blade
And get the damn backstab bonus

>>917162
What's the DC for a shooting a Kamehameha into the ground and rocketing us up to headbutt him in the jaw or stomach?

>>917162
>>E. Kamehameha boost headbutt.
Let's get that OG dragonball tier tech

>>917162

>B. Kaio-Ken Times Ten

He wants power? Give him power!

>>917174
>>917175
I'm going with these guys, rather not turn into a number fag and rather see the bigger picture that we have fight smarter against our opponents at the moment, since the Kaio Ken can be easily turned off from a strong hit from what Obliu and Freeza basically presented to us.

>>917189
I thought the fact that big hits can knock us out of kaio-ken was obvious. We need damn near perfect focus to use it after a point or we turn into a meat firecracker. It's more useful for dodging beams or long combos.

>>917189

If this weren't a completely luck-based quest, the kaio-ken would be a total game changer as it boosts punch power, energy blast power and more importantly, speed. But as we are at the mercy of the dice, we could have a dude we dodged and punched decently at base form wreck our shit while we are ten times stronger, tougher and faster.

You don't fight smarter in this quest, you fight luckier, so most choices are good anyway

>>917199
I actually like the idea of using the Kaioken in quick intervals just to give us a speed boost.

>>917202
No...
The dice know.

>>917203
You mean that thing Goku does when he fights Frieza at first?

>>917211
Yeah sure.

>>917214
Remember how he used quick bursts of Kaioken X20 for quick hit-and-run style stuff? Remember how that was actually kinda clever? 'Member?

>>917203

Wouldn't that be kinda super straining in the body? It sounds to me like turning on and off constantly a technique that rips apart your muscles would do more harm that simply keeping it on for a few minutes. Although I guess it could work here as we are dead

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>>917174
>>917175
>>917189
ROLL

>B. Kaio-Ken Times Ten
>C. Reach back with your free hand and create another Energy Blade

Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>917225

>>917221
To be fair, we could barely go times 5 when we were on Namek. Now we can keep it up for several minutes. We are getting somewhat acclimated to extensive use at lower magnitudes.

Rolled 1 (1d100)

>>917225

Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>917225

Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>917225

Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>917225

Master Roshi would not be proud.

>>917233
How's it feel chief? Bad, I guess?

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>>917233
Fuck

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>>917237
>>917233
>>917230

>>917233
Hah.

Even when you semi intelligent decisions this quest will still fuck you.

>>917230
>>917233
>>917237
Are crit fails a thing here or is it HIghest Number wins?

>>917233

Oh boy, I can't wait to see Olibu have a disappointing face as he counter headbutts us and crushes our skull, ending our existence forever

>>917253
Highest number wins, but somehow he rolled a 98 with no modifiers

>>917253
No crits, he still takes into account how high we roll or how low we roll.

>>917253
It's highest number, but by god does a 1 hurt the soul

>>917250
If we lose olibu isn't going to give us our ded man training
We should just use kioken right now
>>917253
No crits

>>917260
''''''''somehow'''''''

Alright fuck it, we're trash compared to Olibu and I really didn't wanna' do this, but if we get another chance next post I think we should go Kaioken x 5 and just go for a blitz.

We'll still get talked down about having to rely on that fucking technique, but I at least wanna' impress Oilbu Senpai.

>>917275
When I gave him plus 30, he rolled a 34, this time, he rolled a 98

>>917277
>Impressing Olibu

>>917309
WAIT!
We'll wrestle his ass! That'll show him!

>>917309
Look, I think he should be impressed by the fact that we've only had like 14 years of training compared to his several thousand.

>>917260
You probably shouldn't roll of screen so that you don't get accused of rail roading
Cause a lot of the time it seems like railroading
>>917324
Wait I just realized,thousands of years of training and he isn't even stronger than cell

>>917327

Haha, what a fucking loser that Olibu is. Two training arcs later and we could wreck his shit effortlessly as I assume he would get negative modifiers big enough in his dice.

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I hope soapy Bulma will give you all strength. Also with the wish restriction lifted could we bring Olibu back to life?

>>917338
I doubt he would accept as he would still want to finish up his 10,000 years of training.

>>917338
He basically prefers it in Otherworld, not to mention he's been training for thousands of years in order to get trained by the Grand Kai.

>>917327
This. Also SOM, how and why do you use modifiers? (this is more of a general question than a criticism btw)

>>917347
I assume he uses modifiers as a way of simulating the difference in strength and abilities of combatants. Logically it would be easier for Frieza to dodge us than it would somebody like Tien.

>>917347
I give modifyers to your opponent's dice rolls based on the choices you make. For example, if you charge an opponent who's readied with a defense, he gets an addition to his number. If you ambush someone who doesn't know you're there, they take a penalty to their rolls

>>917364
Well that makes a bit more sense than the way I thought you did it. I guess the DC on certain moves is more the conveyance of the base difficulty anyways.

Honestly, I think we would be wasting time training with Olibu, because by "training" I assume that means being beaten like a fag until we are tough enough to not get mutilated after a few punches, typical DBZ training.

It would be best to focus in our kuma ken and try to develop our own training style just like how piccolo gets great gains just by meditating and being alone in canon.

>>917380
Just because we're loosing doesn't mean the training's pointless. Korin and Popo kicked our asses before we finally got shit done.

>>917380
>piccolo gets great gains just by beating himself up via multiform all fucking day and fusing with other slug-boys
ftfy

>>917380
Maybe we should do move refinement?
Make better moves and refine the ones we have?
It'd be a good thing to do

>>917388

With Korin and Popo there was a method to their madness. Korin's kinda didn't make sense because that should've only improved speed but okay.jpg and Popo's training was less doing actual fighting and more helping to develop ki awareness.

As Olibu so far seems to be just a brute force warrior, all we could learn from his is how to get punched in the face until our face becomes punch-proof, and that wouldn't do good against the ki attack spammers that will follow later.

>>917401
I'm just gonna assume Olibu knows his shit if he's been training with the greatest warriors in the universe for thousands of years.

>>917411
He may know shit but
>>917327
>>917336
Otherworlds are jobbers.

>>917401
No you're right, why would we want to bother training with the only Human who's shown to be at least Frieza tier or higher.

We are Human, he's the only guy around that can teach us how to properly exceed the limits we're at.

And he doesn't even use the Kaioken, look how powerful he is.

Rolled 97, 6, 83, 32, 96, 36, 57 = 407 (7d100)

Lemme just get some shit rolls out of the system.

"Ka...me...." you begin, channeling your energy to your feet.

The next thing you know, you can feel a burning in your back, and you're thrown forward to the ground.

>End Updates

Sorry to cut it short, anons, but I hope you all had fun

As always, I will stick around for a while

>>917425
He had a thousand years of training or something
If he didn't break frieza level I'd be disappointed

>>917425

All he did was to get fit for thousands of years. He would be even more worthless than Mr. Satan if he wasn't that strong after spending hundreds of times the lifespan of a human being training. Meanwhile, Tofoo has only trained for like 15 out of his 22 years and he's not too far from his level.

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>>917436
Thanks as always for running Som. I'm gonna assume Olibu just smacked the ever-living shit out of us as expected. If we do manage to get him to train us, do we have the option to get a headband like he does?

>>917436
please stop hurting us.
this reminds me of when you had Goku give Kaguya stern talking to about trying harder. if you don't want to DM retards, don't

>>917436
Goddamnit.

Are you gonna' be running tomorrow since you ran Earthbender Quest two days in a row at least?

>>917456

It is hilarious how just having bad rolls can make us go from being a destroyer of villains to jobbing so hard that everybody tell us that we were slacking and being pathetic.

>>917436
So is Tofoo having his midlife crisis earlier, on the account of the shit that happened on Namek and how stronger Goku and Piccolo have gotten in shorter amount of time than us.

>>917474
that's what I'm saying. we should fail by the merits of our decision making. like an anon said earlier, rolls should just determine how well we do.

failure states could be if we're deciding to charge into acid attacks or making crit failure rolls. but c'mon
we're doing
everything right

som no bully

>>917476
Well it's more because of how we managed to die to some scrub a month after we pushed Frieza all the way to final Form

>>917482
We're making the smartest moves against somebody who completely outclasses us. The only thing we have that he doesn't is a wide arsenal of attacks to throw at him. Once we exhaust that we don't really have much to throw him off with.

>>917450
I don't see why not

>>917476
Maybe

>>917507

Even if we were completely outclassed, we shouldn't get things like saying kame- and then gets shitwrecked so hard you are a few steps away from unconsciousness.

And as shown with the acid spitting mook, if we can't beat som's rolls, we will get shitwrecked by mooks by all means we should be able to wreck even if we are being stupid. I mean, no matter how stupid was to charge against acid spit, Tofoo's speed should've been enough to dodge them.

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Alright so, if we're for real about training our Ki I put some thought into it.

Form A is what I usually see in DBZ, like the Ki is coming off of the fighters like flames and shit. It looks cool, but it also looks like it's just burning off unnecessary amounts of Ki.

Form B is what I think we should try to attain. Solid, concise, and it sticks close to us. I'm not saying we learn how to power up without wasting Ki, we just learn to channel it better. That's why I think Frieza's finger blast and the Ki Blade are so strong, they aren't shooting off blasts of energy, they're still connected to them some how and drawing off of all that Ki.

>>917535
Better address and talk about fixing these problems >>917545
otherwise your going to run into the same problem you ran into in Human quest, with the power scaling.

>>917555
Well they actually went over this sort of thing in Super. The whole flaring ki thing is more a side effect of lousy control as you said. A more concise and internal rise in Ki seems to work much better in the long run. It's why when you see the ascended Super Saiyan state Goku and Gohan used to use, they barely ever have the huge billowing aura they usually do. Vegeta and Goku couldn't even use something like Godly Ki properly until they managed to actually internalize their Ki properly. It makes sense that what you've described as Form B is the way to go in terms of being a more efficient fighter.

>>917555

You know, that could be the basics for the kuma-ken. Kaio-ken wastes a lot of energy leaking it with its flashy red aura, surely tofoo can improve on it

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>>917535

How unamused is Olibu with us? Were we able to even put a dent on him?

How big is the power gap between us? Is it like an mouse vs a cat, a mouse vs a horse, etc?

>>917618
I get the feeling its the hypothetical George Foreman VS a Foreman Grill situation for us. The only way we can win is through crippling heart disease.

>>917618
You've surprised him with your speed and power, but he's vastly stronger than you. It's really no contest

>>917644
Is he at least satisfied with us as a potential student? Or are we not worth his time?

>>917670
If he isn't then we need to do what we always do. Go train by ourselves for a bit, reflect on what went wrong, come back and ask for a rematch and then surprise him with how much we can improve in a short amount of time.

>>917686

Yeah. I doubt anyone in the otherworld is good enough with ki control. That's something Tofoo's better off training by himself until he develops the kuma-ken and created enhanced versions of all the ki attacks that are just as strong as before but using a lot less ki or are maybe even stronger

>>917703
It's still gonna' be useful to get trained by a Human for once. Cats and Slugs are fine but sometimes only a human understands a human.

>>917703
The guy we should have talked to about Ki control was recently brought back to life on Earth actually.

So
End plan for ghost gainz
Get kuma kan/solidified version of the kaioken
Try to train ki control so we don't waste ki in transformation
Any new non-transformation techniques we can learn

>>917718
The plan for ghost gains is mostly just trying to raise our base powerlevel as much as we can. Kuma-Ken and Superior Ki Control are secondary to that.

>>917718
I think we might need kumaken.
It should help.

Also maybe we can combine our tracking shot with kienzan and get a smaller faster tracking kienzan.

>>917735
Wouldn't we just apply the tracking to the regular Kienzan like Frieza did?

>>917735
And we'll call them Destructo Disks!

>>917741
I feel like kienzan is too slow.
A faster version would be nice.
Maybe a kienzan that breaks into smaller faster homing disks?

Swarm disks?

>>917751

This sounds good. As you mentioned before, kienzan is stupid slow, so we could improve on it either for speed or for quantity. Hence why enhancing ki control is a must if we want to stay relevant

Techniques

>Nail Gun

Form hundereds of ki needles then compress them in an explosive ki bubble. Fire the whole thing. Any disturbance in the envelope will cause it to explosively burst firing hundreds or thousands of needles.

Cant be batted aside or redirected, and blasting to intercept it results in being showered with a spread of piercing attacks.

>>917545
The correct choice with a stronger opponent having wrenched our arm behind us was the explosive wave.

No lead in time, no charging, and in order to dodge he would have to let go. If he chose to tank it it would be at point blank and at least hurt.

Though honestly our best attack probably cant seriously injure him, it was still a smarter move than shouting a technique name he had just heard.

We also could have solar flared, but that would have been sub optimal.

>>917881
Why do we need to shout the move to do them?
We should work on that.

>>917907
Because this is dragonball.

If you dont shout the name of your attack, go "AAAAAHHHHH", or at least make "HAA", "HOU", or "HWUA" noises then the attack simply will not work.

This is just a universal fact of ki.

But honestly even a silent version would take several seconds and be obvious as all fuck.

Besides relying on the kaioken, or an upgrade of it isnt too terribly impressive.

>>918444
>Relying on kioken or some improved version isn't that impressive.
Tell that to every other fighter that has ever used transformations.

If we made the skill on our own it's impressive.
Especially since we had to work for it.

Also we should learn to fire attacks without shouting.
It's retarded.

Duuuuuuuudes. Let's focus our Ki so much that we can form like, a bear shape around us!

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>>918503

>>918508
>I came here to fuck bitches

>>918513
>Don't tell Bulma I said that.

>>918515
Oh fuck. We should probably contact Bulma and tell her we're relatively okay when we get back.
We should also think about whether or not we want to come back as soon as Earth's dragonballs are ready.

>>918568
>tell her we're relatively okay when we get a chance
Is what I meant to say

Tofoo a shit

>>918794
so shit we may or may not be on hiatus
I will say that Tofoo is only as good as his playerbase. Anons and dice a shit.

>>918495
Why do you think we are /specifically/ training with olibu a human warrior who d oesnt use transformations?

King kais advice
Olibu

These are not so subtle hints.

What do you expect?

We perfect an upgrade ken move and SOM will say, "oh okay, sure just use that for the rest of forever then to curb stomp everything".

Of course not.

For example, ki blade. By all rights that move should bisect 90% of our enemies.

Use it at the wrong time however, and we get our shit handed to us.

Stop worrying about "staying relevant after SSJ"

Doing that is SOMS job, the players job is to not act like retards

>>918974
>the players job is to not act like retards

No, the player's job is to have lucky rolls. Even the most retarded of actions can succeed with good rolls while even the smartest and most cunning of tactics can end in critical failures due bad rolls.

Also, Olibu's strong only by virtue of having been training for thousand years, it's not like he can really teach us about ways for humans and by humans to overcome their limits, as he barely improved through centuries while Tofoo is roughly around one third of his power after training for just 17/18 years. Even fucking Roshi taught us more about limit breaking and we were at best one week with him.

>>919042
This.

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For you anons that don't follow on twitter

>>919210
Or is it?

>>919546
The suspense is KILLING me!

>>919630
Find out, next time, on Dragonball Quest!

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>>918515

>>919210
>>919546
sigh. this always happens

>>920233
Indeed

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The Dragonballs have brought us back

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>>920349

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>>920349

>>920359
>Bulma has an escort service on speed dial

>>917436
You hiss as you hit the ground, your back burning something fierce. Cursing, you pick yourself back up, turning around to see Olibu looking somewhat disappointed.

"Announcing your attack the way you just did was foolish," Olibu remarks. "Whatever you were planning, you forfeited your chances of it succeeding that way."

He's right, that was a rookie mistake, one you didn't even make as a young man. Your younger self would probably kick you right about now.

"Let me show you how to fight properly!" Olibu roars, rushing forward.

>A. Avoid his attack (25)

>B. Solar Flare and counter (73)

>C. Energy Blade when he gets close enough (8)

>D. Fire a Kamehameha from your feet and launch yourself at him (75)

>E. Something else

>>920419
C

>>920419
>>E. Something else

Tank it with the ki barrier. We can't really do much to increase our natural endurance, and that could also serve to test just how much punishment it can resist after our training. Maybe we could even create an improved ki barrier in the future

>>920419
>C. Energy Blade when he gets close enough (8)
I've been reading this quests archives SOM and I gotta say.
What
The
Hell

>>920419
>A.

>>920431
Changing up the dice system slightly once again

>>920441
No I mean the autism.
I thought the acid bath was a rare thing.
It's happened before.
Why does your quest attract samefagging autists
I'm on the piccolo junior segment by the way

>>920449
It's not exclusive to my quests

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>>920431
>>920428
ROLL

>>920449

I miss the days when we told everybody in our path that they were pretty. Adult tofoo is too bland in comparison, although he is sometimes amusing when he does something stupid and gets an one way ticket to heaven.

>>920419
>C

Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>920468
Maybe I'm biased but I feel like you attract salt and autism like nobodies business
>>920478
This roll will be low

Rolled 37 (1d100)

>>920478