Not on topic, but mlElon Musk is talking about Mars in a minute. Spacex.com/mars

>>631780
FOR HOUSE AND DOMINION!

>>631780
For House and Loot!

NOTE: Suptg link in OP has been changed. Old link will allow people to vote on /tg/ threads but not /qst/ threads.
New link is the other way around.

As a result of your deal with the Alliance you've been able to secure the following, in order of highest voted:


A favour (The Rovinar Admiral has warned the others not allow this but has been overruled.)
Contour / Surface Shields [PL]
Terraforming tech
Nanite tech higher resolution scans and materials data
Debt coverage (-1 war debt)
Super Heavy Starship repair equipment
New Mega Class sublight drives [PL]

LVL 4 Attack Cruiser Line (This was only barely afforded and is technically over the amount agreed upon, but not by so much they won't allow it.)

[PL] = Production License

The repair equipment and production licenses for the Super Heavy drives took up much of value of what you're getting. The Admirals undoubtedly hope that your yards will be able to sell them more ships once the civil war is over.

Terraforming Tech is a big one for your House given its reliance upon such tech for many of its planets. Once introduced to Rioja it could improve terraforming speed by two years. While good for settlement speed it will take time for specialists in the House to adjust to the faster rate of terraforming. Rioja will be relatively fine, they've already accepted that the previous time scale models are broken.
Other projects planned to take decades will need more time to adjust.

The Shield Platform [PL] is out of the price range of this deal but you can simply buy it on your own.

Preferential selection of RSS for Salvage contracts is also out and isn't something you could negotiate separately.

Questions for the Admiralty?

Sorry for more delays, talking off and on with the building super about water damage. It's not too bad fortunately.

>>631889
>A favour (The Rovinar Admiral has warned the others not allow this but has been overruled.)
They should have listened. Now it's to late.

Didn't really fancy the Terraforming tech but everything else seems pretty sweet.

>The Admirals undoubtedly hope that your yards will be able to sell them more ships once the civil war is over.
As long as they pay well

>Questions for the Admiralty?
What will they do about Aries? The branches outside of the Dominion may claim they are note helping the ones inside of the Dominion but I don't really trust them on that.

How is the resistance force we left in the Maelstrom doing, assuming it didn't get wiped out.

>>631889
>Questions for the Admiralty?
Can they give us a quick overview of the neeran empire? They must have managed to get more information by now.

Have they managed to counter the neeran detection and mind reading abilities?

Can the neeran medium cannons we had mounted on forbearance at some point be built by factions' equipment at this point?

What's the situation in their factions? How are the norune holding up?

Which of the stuff we're building will be needed the most by them once the civil war is over?

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>>631889
I don't think it was touched upon last thread because we were winding down with the "loot" talk, but I think this is a very important question to ask them with the revelation of NEERAN mercs.

>>631889

What do they think of the Ares Nav Station? Is 'House' Ares capable of producing such a thing, or is this potentially evidence of Terran Ares involvement?

How do they feel about Terran Ares potentially making their facilities war targets of Dominion fleets/sabotage teams?

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>>631906
>They should have listened. Now it's to late.

>What will they do about Aries? The branches outside of the Dominion may claim they are note helping the ones inside of the Dominion but I don't really trust them on that.
They're currently under surveillance by the Terran Alliance who has placed restrictions on their operations. The Federation and the Imperium have each banned Aries from operating in their space without supervision.
The PCCG and South Reach lack the same levels of jurisdiction and there's not much to be done about them there. They are being monitored in those areas there isn't much to be done.

>How is the resistance force we left in the Maelstrom doing, assuming it didn't get wiped out.
They've remained a persistent nuisance and are a source of assets for use by intel due to their skill with infiltrating or capturing enemy ships and facilities.
The Neeran have sent several fleets to hunt them down with varying degrees of success. While they've been able to wipe out as much as 60% of the resistance forces at any given time they usually recover within a few months.


>>631910
>Can they give us a quick overview of the neeran empire? They must have managed to get more information by now.
They have.
* Just all of my maps of Neeran space predate the 2012 retcon that created the Nav Relay system and scaled the setting to better fit the size of real life galaxy clusters.
I've had my efforts focused on the Dominion's Civil War too much to properly update it. Sorry.

What *maps they have are made available to Sonia. It looks like there are several smaller galaxy clusters in addition to their equivalent of nav relays connecting them. Alliance recon efforts with the help of the Krath have charted what is believed to be roughly 40% of Neeran space.

The Neeran themselves seem to control very little in terms of worlds, instead relying in powerful outposts and City Ships that are much more populated than the Super Carriers they've sent to fight in the wars. It looks like most planets are given to the various client states of their empire, though none have been allowed to become powerful enough to pose a threat to the Neeran themselves.
They control certain key technologies especially weaponry making it more difficult to stage an uprising. Many client states voluntarily joined their empire in return for protection, or were uplifted from pre-spaceflight civilizations. Most are of the opinion that they owe the Neeran for much of their prosperity. This is reinforced by reminders that they've saved many of them from terrifying threats.

"It is our hope that after your Civil War ends some political and military 'consultants' from the Dominion could help with turning the Neeran client states against each other to weaken their empire."

>>631963
>"It is our hope that after your Civil War ends some political and military 'consultants' from the Dominion could help with turning the Neeran client states against each other to weaken their empire."

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>>631963
Why do I have a feeling that Veritas wouls be good at that?

>>631910
>Have they managed to counter the neeran detection and mind reading abilities?
Not really.

>Can the neeran medium cannons we had mounted on forbearance at some point be built by factions' equipment at this point?
Short answer yes.
They're the length of a Medium plasma cannon but the diameter of a heavy. They have better overall damage than your Mediums but less shield penetration by comparison.
The size makes them awkward to mount for most ships

Ber'helum has a siege ship design that carries them but they were unable to get their fleet to the Relay during the invasion.

>What's the situation in their factions? How are the norune holding up?
The Shallans are holding on but with the collapse of their civilian government and the military taking over things are not exactly stable politically. As usual the Alliance is doing what it can to help prop up their defenses.
So far there hasn't been any widespread movement to throw off military control but that's because most know they're the ones keeping them alive day to day.
At least one resistance group behind enemy lines has begun to claim that they represent the last vestiges of the civilian government. There are concerns that once those worlds are retaken it will lead to political upheaval in Shallan space.

Civilian morale among the Terran worlds is at an all time low, but as yet there are no signs that their central government will collapse. The same can't be said for the outlying areas under threat of Neeran attack.
The Rovinar and Kavarians remain stoic. As do the Republic though they're begun to complain about shouldering an unfair level of the burden.

The Norune, while distant, have been able to hold up rather well. Planning and training over the years in preparation for a Neeran invasion has allowed them to fight off several attacks. They have lost worlds but these had been largely evacuated in advance. With the help of newly assigned Alliance Supers they should be able to resist anything but the most determined invasion.

>Which of the stuff we're building will be needed the most by them once the civil war is over?
Heavy and Super Heavy capital ships for starters. Ships compatible with Alliance or Shallan logistics, especially assault corvettes. Power armor, since the Dominion now produces something like 80% of all power armor in Faction Space.
Lastly pilots, the more experienced the better.

>>631921
If you mean Svidur, no the Alliance doesn't have any more information. They were never able to figure out where the bridge module teleported to.

>>631923
>What do they think of the Ares Nav Station?
They think it to be a very interesting design. Much more efficient in some ways, but because it's more centralized it can be more vulnerable to damage.

>Is 'House' Ares capable of producing such a thing, or is this potentially evidence of Terran Ares involvement?
Probably not on their own. The design likely would have been in development years before the (very recent) split in the company so both halves would have data on it. Even then outside help is almost a certainty.
It may be based on reverse engineered Neeran tech or data stolen from the Navigator's R&D labs. The Guild certainly isn't in the business of replacing their big stations every few decades so they've probably looked at alternates.

So far the Guild hasn't said if its one of their designs but they're a bit decentralised when it comes to this sort of thing. Most probably wouldn't know if it were a classified design.

"Aries has shown a tendency to steal any design they can get their hands on." you feel the need to point out.

>How do they feel about Terran Ares potentially making their facilities war targets of Dominion fleets/sabotage teams?
Chen replies to this.
"Reynard, if you send ships into Terran space and attack targets there it won't matter how good your intentions are, the local defense fleet commanders will retaliate. Fifty Dominion privateers have already been destroyed just this month trying to raid industrial stations or loot munitions depots."

>>632063
>They have better overall damage than your Mediums but less shield penetration by comparison.

How's the range?

>Heavy and Super Heavy capital ships for starters.

The heavy we built for them, Is it still operational?

I think we should share some of the data we've collected on the new heavies fielded by the enemy fleet. Do they think any of the designs could be promising?

Is there need for a dedicated planetary assault ship for the time when the FA starts their offensive?

>>632063
>Civilian morale among the Terran worlds is at an all time low, but as yet there are no signs that their central government will collapse

Why is it so low? The Centri cluster has barley suffered any attacks and only the relays have suffered a bit. Is it the war exhaustion affecting them more seeing as they are a democracy?

>>632094
>How's the range?
In the same area as Republic Mediums.

>The heavy we built for them, Is it still operational?
Both of the ones they took ownership of have performed well. (Winifred has the 3rd built.) I think the older one may have been crippled? Can't remember. If it wasn't destroyed its going to need a lot of time undergoing a refit.

>Do they think any of the designs could be promising?
The Alliance was able to buy a pair of Talos Heavy Carriers before the Civil War started and they want more. It's the only carrier that can compete with the ACC design.
The Republic is updating their Senate class but the basic hull is still the same so it will still have performance issues.

They've seen many of these experimental designs before. Most of the Heavy Cruisers would have to compete with more powerful but much more expensive Terran models, or with much more numerous Medium Cruisers. So far none of them really stand out, but fast more mobile heavies would be better than the old Ascendancy.

>Is there need for a dedicated planetary assault ship for the time when the FA starts their offensive?
Always. Generally attempts are made to retake Shallan core worlds every other week.
They've been working on better Assault Transports based on the same hull as the Escort Carrier. House Nasidum apparently found out about this and made identical modifications while adding holographics for stealth.

They'd probably pay for performance reports and data on the two ships you captured if not one of the ships themselves.

[ ] Sell them the date
[ ] Sell them a ship
[ ] Give them a ship in return for a production license

FOR HOUSE AND DOMINION

>>632173
>[ ] Sell them the date
Money is always nice and we get a lot of debt to pay off.

>Sell them the date
That should read DATA.

>>632104
The Terran Colonies and their population are much more spread out. They hold more Nav Relays than any other Faction. Many more people lived on the colony worlds in the relays and have been displaced or killed as a result.

> Is it the war exhaustion affecting them more seeing as they are a democracy?
That is a possibility.

>>632173
>[ ] Sell them the data

>>632173
>[ ] Sell them the data

>>632173
>[ ] Sell them the data
Incidentally, how is that impacting our HAG sales. Last I checked we were only using one factory to make them

>>632173
>[ ] Sell them the data
We can always sell them one of the ships once we're done with dividing the loot. Or recommend it to whoever gets the salvage rights.

>carriers
Is the bonrah/ceres considered an adequate stop-gap solution?

Have we heard anything from ceres' own carrier design based on the data we sold them?

>>632173
>In the same area as Republic Mediums.

Can we put them on the Monitor escorts?

>>631963
>instead relying in powerful outposts and City Ships that are much more populated than the Super Carriers they've sent to fight in the wars.
Does the alliance have any plans on how they're going to kill these things?

Beyond 'Just throw dominion bodies at it lol'

>>632296
The Monitor can barely handle the weapons it already has. Replacing the double barrel turrets with single gun turrets of that type might be possible but isn't recommended.

The Admirals are still talking among themselves about different topics since they don't have the opportunity for joint meetings as often as they'd like.


R&D
Neeran Artifacts Follow up!

>Plasma weapon
As stated last thread Alliance small arms plasma weapon tech has been accelerated by your loan of this particular artifact. As payment for this loan a new model of plasma pistol currently under construction has been set aside for you in addition to funds. Much like the pistol you already have, the weapon is a near priceless prototype so it should be considered a good trade value wise.

At this time you can ask for the artifact back which would let you use it or loan it to the Alliance later on for a set number of years.
You could also extend the current loan in return for future weapons developed from it. Basically you'd get a new plasma weapon every time a new version was released based on its tech.
1A) Take it back
1B) Extend loan for more guns

>"Super Veckron"
With the teams reaching the limits of current theory additional study will involve long months of not needing the thing in between tests. You could ask for it back at this time or extend the loan in return for a stream of funding and/or FTL systems.
2A) Take it back (What do you tell them you plan to do with it?)
2B) Extend loan for FTL
2C) Other

>>632418
>Plasma weapon
What one was this? I thought we gave them only three things to study?

I'm pretty sure it was the Neeran metal plate that was constructed on an atomic scale and held info on how to build the Bio-reactors, the Super Victory Torpedo schematics, and Wormhole Generator plans.

Either way,
>1B

>2B

>>632418
>(What do you tell them you plan to do with it?)
A really really really REALLY BIG bomb to show those Nasidum assholes whos boss

>1B
>2C
Can we get more debt coverage? If not then 2B

>>632418
>1B) Extend loan for more guns
Additionally we should request an engineer that can do advanced maintenance on the thing.

>2C) Other
Extend loan for production license on current and future FTL systems

>>632418
>1B) Extend loan for more guns
>2B) Extend loan for FTL

>The Admirals are still talking among themselves about different topics since they don't have the opportunity for joint meetings as often as they'd like.

What has prevented them from getting their hand on the Neeran super heavy shields?

>>632418
>1B
>2B

>Other stuff

on the earlier topic of FUN WITH ARES, have any Dominion Houses just outright declared -all- of Ares to be a terrorist organization?

And I feel like we should ask what the FA plans to do if the Ruling House coming out of this civil war outright declares Ares to be such a terrorist organization, or demands that Ares be dealt with before they support the FA again.

I'm wondering both out of 'I could weaponize this situation' and 'oh god this could collapse the FA/Anti-Neeran War'. Even without direct proof, the Dominion at large could in theory try to blame Ares for a number of woes during the Civil War.

>>632610
uh been meaning to ask this but you do know the company/house is called ARIES not ARES?

>>632618
Fun with auto correct.

The Terran AI is Versa, right? Or was it Vista...

>>632629
Yes her(?) name is Versa.
offtopic but english is going to have a bad time when sentient AI becomes a thing since it doesn't have a gender neutral term for a person

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>>632360
"It wouldn't just be Dominion bodies." The Shallan Admiral points out.

Chen explains.
"We hope to cause enough inner strife among their Empire to give our Supers a clear shot at their city ships. Once enough of their civilian population is threatened or captured we hope to be able to force their surrender. At least that's one option we're exploring."

Ralthan seems to strongly support this.
"With Heavy plasma weapons on the new ACS warships and careful management of Veckron weapons it should be possible to defeat them within acceptable casualty levels. We just need to wait for more ships to be built."

"How long will that take?"

That is a question the Admirals don't seem to be in agreement on.
"Several years. Longer if there are more major enemy offensives."

>>632442
>What one was this? I thought we gave them only three things to study?
You did. (This is an old chart. Some tech has progressed from here.) The three with red squares next to them are the Alliance projects. The green one Rovinar.
These are the ones you gave them the actual artifacts themselves, not just the plates.

>I'm pretty sure it was the Neeran metal plate that was constructed on an atomic scale
There was one of those for each artifact. The related ones stayed with the artifacts loaned to the Alliance. High res scans done by the Alliance means they don't need to hang onto them any longer so they're being returned to you if they haven't already.

>>632678
>R&D Chart
Neat! Saving that for future referencing.

Can we contact BH and Helios low-key to set up the Cooling Laser research project now?

>>632451
>Can we get more debt coverage?
Maybe not that much cash.

>>632454
>Extend loan for production license on current and future FTL systems
You could get a bit of a boost to FTL tech.
Is anyone else interested in this? Otherwise it looks like both loans are being extended.

>>632482
>What has prevented them from getting their hand on the Neeran super heavy shields?
They've captured a few working examples by now but have managed to break more than half trying to get them to work. They're apparently difficult to operate and easy to break if the operator doesn't know what they're doing.

>>632713
>Can we contact BH and Helios low-key to set up the Cooling Laser research project now?
That will be coming up soon. I hope.

>>632824
>You could get a bit of a boost to FTL tech.

Could we get a few of these deep subspace drives? I'm sure intel would love to park a few ships or bases somewhere most Houses won't be able to reach them.

>>632678
>Once enough of their civilian population is threatened or captured we hope to be able to force their surrender.
Except I don't think that's going far enough. We want to cripple their ability to repeat this invasion in the near future. Else they could just rest and rebuilt in a few years and repeat the whole process. The Empire needs to be broken up.

Incidentally that opens up for new territory to be conquered by the Dominion!

>>632841
I think we'll probably try to break their power long term. But I doubt the Alliance is particularly interested in letting Houses grab large swaths of Territory. Lets push for this when we aren't having a civil war.

Do any of the other Admirals call them Victory Torpedoes now?

>>632678
>should be possible to defeat them within acceptable casualty levels.
>Several years
At least there's time to prepare.

I feel like we should propose something from the Ideas list like the FTL Cruise Missiles we can launch at city ships from adjacent solar systems to soften them up.

Or that old idea to try and open temporary Subspace windows for a few milliseconds that weapons can be shot through.

>>632835
>Could we get a few of these deep subspace drives?
Unfortunately that technology belongs to the Terrans. The old Factions Alliance made sure that organizations within each Faction would have access to the tech but classified so heavily at the time that much of it was later lost.
It is known that the examples of the technology given to the Dominion were destroyed shortly after the end of the last dynasty during one of the major internal conflicts within the Dominion.

They're reluctant to give more of it to you guys and if they did it would be to a neutral organisation within the Dominion.

>>632878
>Do any of the other Admirals call them Victory Torpedoes now?
Just the Shallans.

You thank the Admirals for taking the time to right some of the wrongs done to you and your House and promise to send a secure message to House Ber'helum warning how dangerous that nanotech could be.
The Alliance in turns warns you that they hope to evacuate any remaining tech from their base near the Run some time in the near future. Until then all ships should stay clear of it to avoid unnecessary damage to subspace in the region should the station explode.

The trip back is a fast one. Once clear of Terran space the cloaked Frigate signals for you to go on ahead and the navigator is able to punch up the FTL to full.

Once within range of the Relay you start to get new reports in. Libeation of worlds held by enemy troops is proceeding steadily, though some have been hard fought. Word from the next relay is that progress there after the initial victories is slow.
Bonrah's plan to bring in a force of captured Neeran ships they'd been stockpiling in the PCCG was complicated by the presence of Berwari's mercenaries. While he was able to capture their super heavy cruiser and helped throw their fleet into chaos, many of those that escaped the battle are now regrouping.

Winifred is of the opinion that this would be the perfect moment to secure a foothold for the House in the Relay if not for the fact that J-D is overextended with its current number of worlds. The reinforcements you sent have arrived, and while the enemy tried to ambush them they've been able to fight their way clear and should link up with the Baron and friendly forces soon.

Troops have re-secured the Aries built nav station and are setting up a series of com buoys to ensure it can stay in contact even if under com jamming.
The Guild plans to move some of their spare sensor arrays to the damaged station to provide short range coverage while maintaining a link to the new station which will scan at long range. Once the route to the Centri cluster can be considered safe enough to use they'll bring in construction ships to move the Aries station.

Or that's their plan at least.

Do you have any objections to relocating the station? Or would you prefer it remains in a more remote location?

>>633055
>Winifred is of the opinion that this would be the perfect moment to secure a foothold for the House in the Relay if not for the fact that J-D is overextended with its current number of worlds.
Has she considered grabbing a world or two and swapping them for that one in the run? Its already inside our defensive perimeter and has a relatively low population.

>>633055
>Do you have any objections to relocating the station? Or would you prefer it remains in a more remote location?

Personally I'd like to keep it inside the Hazard zone, or move it into a different one, and spread disinformation that we've deconstructed it. It's a super useful tool if any invaders decide to hijack the Relay stations.

>>633055
Sure. It's already too well known to be of any use for surprise long range jumps.

>>633086
Indeed. Grabbing territory if only to hold it for a few weeks or months and then selling it would be preferable to not doing it. If she needs help I am sure we will soon be able to send more reinforcement from DRH 1 to assist her.

Trading for more planets in either the Run or the South Reach would also be neat. Need to consolidate our holdings more.

>>633055
>Do you have any objections to relocating the station?
None. The Guild knows best how to use it and work with it so what they want to do with it they can decide.

>>633055
>Winifred is of the opinion that this would be the perfect moment to secure a foothold for the House in the Relay if not for the fact that J-D is overextended with its current number of worlds.

Secure a system with a terraforming candidate. We're on very good terms with the major houses currently conqueroring the relay, and we can always put a station in the system to benefit from any nearby trade route until we can afford to settle another world.

>Do you have any objections to relocating the station?
Not really? Would it be preferable to keep the connection to the main cluster cut for a bit longer?

>>633086
At this point you could just ask the Ruling House for that one in the Run and they'd probably give it to you.
Your House just can't support any more planets at this time. Not until Rioja has finished Terraforming or latent nationalism concerns in the former House Erid territories reach a lower level.
Until then the House is at or exceeding its demesne limit. Something it can ill afford to do.

>>633127
>Would it be preferable to keep the connection to the main cluster cut for a bit longer?
It will make logistics for the campaign in the next relay more difficult unless the DRH 1 relay supplies reinforcements and troops. This works both ways and the enemy won't be able to get as many reinforcements.

The longer the connection to the Centri cluster is offline the more it will hurt Rioja's economy as well as its economic and industrial growth.
However with the route down your allies in the Centri cluster have no need to garrison the station at their end with a fleet, freeing up ships to be used elsewhere.

>>633119
>Grabbing territory if only to hold it for a few weeks or months and then selling it would be preferable to not doing it. If she needs help I am sure we will soon be able to send more reinforcement from DRH 1 to assist her.
>Trading for more planets in either the Run or the South Reach would also be neat. Need to consolidate our holdings more.
That is certainly one way to do it. Occupy it militarily and let an ally administer it.

>>633127
>Secure a system with a terraforming candidate. We're on very good terms with the major houses currently conqueroring the relay, and we can always put a station in the system to benefit from any nearby trade route until we can afford to settle another world.
That's another option. Asking for a planet that can later be terraformed when there is an opportunity to do so.

>>633188
>That is certainly one way to do it. Occupy it militarily and let an ally administer it.
I'm in favor of doing that, though the real question would be between dealing with Ber'helium or the Run Alliance members.

>>633158
I wouldnt mind keeping the main route closed for the time being and opening a smaller alternative route with the Ares station. Something that we can use for priority military ships instead of bulk stuff.

>>633158
>The longer the connection to the Centri cluster is offline the more it will hurt Rioja's economy as well as its economic and industrial growth.

Would it be possible for us to open trade routes with the FA? Say if we started selling ships to them, we could bring in supplies from the Terran relay, not necessarily thru the relay?

The blockade is in place to prevent -Dominion- forces, right?

And we do have a few Terran RSS subsidiaries.

>>633284
Civilian trade yes. Military supplies won't be able to get through to you. I mean, yes you can still sell ships to the Alliance through Terran space but you need all of those right now.

>>633234
>opening a smaller alternative route with the Ares station. Something that we can use for priority military ships instead of bulk stuff.
Once a connection is established between a station at this end and the station at the other that's it, it's open. The guild being neutral means they'll broadcast on an open channel to ships in range. Only establishing a blockade with fleets at either end would stop it.

You could maintain control of the Aries station at this end yourself and then only connect with the other one are preset times for convoys. You'd be intentionally circumventing the navigators control of the relay system, probably what House Aries had in mind from the start.

[ ] Hand over the station to the Guild
[ ] Hand it over but keep connection to Centri cluster closed for now
[ ] Maintain military control of the Aries station (convoys)

>>633328
>[x] Maintain military control of the Aries station (convoys)

>>633328
>[ ] Hand it over but keep connection to Centri cluster closed for now
We should negotiate some form of payment for giving up the station to them. Like maybe they could alter one of our ships to be able to dive into subspace.

>>633328
[x] Maintain military control of the Aries station (convoys)

Valuable strategic asset.

Will the guild be taking any action against Bonrah/Nasidium for attempting to deploy a V-torp in this relay?

>>633328
>[ ] Hand it over but keep connection to Centri cluster closed for now
Just for a few weeks, maybe a month. Until things have had time to settle on our end.

>>633328
Convoys.

However, is the Centri point fixed or can they jump from any nav station that can reach the Ares station?

If the connecting point is fixed and is in firm enemy hands then we might as well just keep the station off. However if ships can jump from any point that can receive the signal im keeping my vote for convoy.

>>633328
>[ ] Hand over the station to the Guild

>>633328
>[ ] Hand over the station to the Guild

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>>633379
>If the connecting point is fixed and is in firm enemy hands then we might as well just keep the station off.
House Kharbos holds the other end at the moment, but only with a small force. With its proximity to the Dominion homeworlds large fleets from either side could sortie to attack it on short notice so they're not risking losing a large fleet to hold it.

>However if ships can jump from any point that can receive the signal im keeping my vote for convoy.
Its a combination of things. Stations only have sensors that can scan so far. That combined with the maximum range of the FTL on most ships determines where stations are built. You need to establish coms for either end to know when and where its safe to fly.
A faster ship could jump from a point farther away which is fine, but if there are no stations to tell you what you might run into on your end there's not much point.

It is possible (though unlikely) that Aries may have planned to build their own second station in the Centri cluster as well.
I've gone off track and don't know where I was going with this anymore...

Your jump off point has to be relatively close to the nav station because that's where they have better sensor coverage. Like 15 light years away max.

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>>633328
Waiting for a tiebreaker on that by the looks of things.

Keeping moving here.

1) When it's possible to safely do so did you want to send more troops to help Winifred secure a planet for later trade?
Y/N?

2) Who would you want to make such a deal with? You'll basically be fighting a campaign for the short term improvement of another House and the long term of yours.
2a) Ruling House
2b) Ber'helum
2c) Helios

>>633641
>Y
2B)

>>633641
>Waiting for a tiebreaker on that by the looks of things.
Switching my vote to the Aries plan to keep things going.

>1) Y
>2c)

>>633641
>1) When it's possible to safely do so did you want to send more troops to help Winifred secure a planet for later trade?
Y

>2) Who would you want to make such a deal with? You'll basically be fighting a campaign for the short term improvement of another House and the long term of yours.
2b) Ber'helum

>>633641
1Y

2B

When talking to the Barons and representatives of the other Houses you try to impress upon them that the situation remains too volatile to reopen the connection to the Centri cluster. The Guild of course want to do everything they can to normalise operations ASAP but that would leave you vulnerable.

"Its fortunate you were able to stop most of the other Heavy Carriers." says Avun "Some of their captains might have remained behind in hiding to conduct raids on the recovery efforts. If possible they'll send someone else to disrupt repairs in the region."

Maintaining control of the Aries built station and only allowing through convoys at set times will allow your allies among the major Houses to bring in reinforcements that they've been desperate to send.

"This will annoy the Guild to no end." points out Count Nirium. "As far as they will be concerned the Dominion as a whole is responsible for the damage to their station. The Aries station would be suitable compensation for their material losses."

Earl Tarse-enic agrees that the station should be handed over to the Guild but not necessarily right away.
"We use it for ourselves as Reyard suggests just for a short time and then when we're in better shape here we give it to them later. We're still giving them what they want, just delaying it a bit."

Next you inform the others that you've secured certain resources which should help speed up repairs to the Forbearance yard and allow upgrades to the crippled Mega class ships in the relay once they've been moved. Not everyone needs to know how you got those resources just that they're on the way.

You also pass along the Alliance offer to salvage the hull of the downed Fortress. Several of the Barons of the newly formed local Houses immediately refuse, initially thinking the trade would be to upgrade your shipyards. It takes a moment to get the meeting back in order and the offer is explained to be unrelated to any others.

The Count considers the implications of keeping versus selling it.
"Having such a Fortress on our side would be a tremendous boost to our military as well as public perception of our ability to win the war."

"And just how would you repair it?" asks Foss. "You'd need to build a salvage operation around the thing just to lift it into orbit to do real work on it."

That sparks more discussion. This won't be solved quickly and the various leaders will need to consult their respective governments.

With that over you send a message to General Rna informing them of your plans to commit troops to assisting in the next Relay once the local situation is a bit more under control. That could take a few days at best and while the General is a little worried about exhausting the troops it should be possible.

"We'll rotate the troops and use those that have seen the least action or have been on garrison duty. I've been intentionally keeping some back due to lack of training time so far but they should still have what it takes."

>>633860
Cut back on the amount if the general feels we've been pushing the ground troops too hard but we do need to send more than a token force as support.

>>633641
>Y
>2c)

By the way, I hope we haven't forgotten about the immortality serum. Eventually we will have to use it on us and our family and friends. Preferably after we have a kid.

>>633865
"I'll do what I can sir. If I feel that the Army isn't in shape for another deployment I'll inform you immediately."

In your whirlwind tour you make an appointment to talk to the House Helios Ambassador. It seems to be fortunate timing as the Ambassador representing all Helios assets in the Relay also wishes to speak with you.

Ambassador Vara Fauh'teth meets you in the more spacious off your offices on Rioja. With everything going on even before the invasion you haven't been using this one much, sticking to your work office for maintining the fleet and military.

"Thank you for the audience on such short notice Viscount. Especially considering the demands of the local Barons upon both our time. The head of our local embassy was quite surprised you'd asked for a meeting so soon after being able to return to their post. I must say I'm curious as to the reson."

[ ] Offer Cooling laser joint R&D
[ ] Find out what they're here about first

>>633894
[ ] Find out what they're here about first

>>633894
>[ ] Find out what they're here about first

>>633894
>[x] Find out what they're here about first

Did the Vineyards survive the invasion? Can we offer the Ambassador a drink of Rioja's first batch?

>>633894
>[X] Find out what they're here about first

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It'd be pretty cool if you could post a to scale spread of all the ship classes in the setting, sorta like pic related

>>633894
>[X] Find out what they're here about first

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>>633935
>Did the Vineyards survive the invasion?
Yes. The repulsor tank forces managed to avoid any excessive damage to the sealed agro farms.
>Can we offer the Ambassador a drink of Rioja's first batch?
Not ready yet. You promise to send them a bottle.

>>633977
Well I've got my autocad workshop file but its full of junk. I'll usually make 4-6 revisions to a ship design before I like it and will keep the old copies as a reference if I decide to go back and build off a "better" part of it.
Generally if I need to do a system map I'll do it up quick in whatever cad file I have open at the time. Which means off to the sides I've got stuff from the battle of Gesaur and the more recent one. Hell I've got the cross sections from that operation to attack the Neeran shipyard up above these.

If I ever manage to finish out the images for the wiki pages I'll consider doing up one with most of them.

Unless there are any requests for comparisons with particular sets of ships. In that case I'd be fine throwing a few together here and there. Just say what you'd like, the less being compared the better.

>>634022
>all those mega variants
Is the reason there arnt any other super designs because the base mega is super versatile and can be easily outfitted for whatever mission?

>>634039
Along this line, is the Forbearance as a champion class generally better or worse than the usual mega?

>>634022
It's Helios that prefers to be the power behind the throne sort of deal, right? Like it's fine being second all the time instead of occasionally ruling then falling behind, yes?

I wonder if we should maybe try to negotiate them working with BH regarding the Nanites and the possible new alien race as a way to build up a closer relationship between the two, if we do end up supporting a BH bid for being the ruling house after this.

Also, could we offer to share the results of the Alliance data regarding the nanites with BH in exchange for them sharing their results with us? Or sell them the results, so that they can verify independently what they discover?

>>634039
Also what happened to Dream, the Kavarian super super heavy? The picture reminded me it existed

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You insist that your guest go first as you'd like to know what it is that brought them here when even the local ambassador would have been enough to send your message.

"Viscount, as I've said before I appreciate everything you have done to assist the allies of House Helios in the region when they were being pressed by Nasidum. Also for your other assistance to our House and allies.
I requested the assignment to help build up our forces here as my career among the diplomatic contingent means that my options for advancement have been rather stifled. I hope you appreciate that I went to great lengths to ensure we had a suitable force in the relay when it was cut off by the invasion. All ready to assist when the time came."

You're certainly grateful for it. That extra fire power certainly came in handy, and they managed to take out one of the Heavy Carriers that was escaping.

"Viscount I believe we can help each other. It's said you have a keen interest in research and development."

"I like where this conversation may be going." you reply.

"The current heavy cruisers used by the Dominion are an aging decrepit design that needs to be replaced. Likewise not all of our Medium cruisers are what they could be."

"What about the new Ascendancy class Variants recently used by your House?" you ask. "They have some serious firepower."

The Ambassador seemingly dismisses them. "Experiments not meant for mass production. I've paid close attention to our recent battle performance and your own hit and fade tactics. In response to them I've had basic plans drawn up for two classes of ships. With enough support from valued allies one of them might be accepted into production.

The first is a medium cruiser intended to combine elements of the Helios class and the Shallan's powerful front line warship. It would have a full sized siege weapon while also mounting enough engines to keep up with faster mediums. Possibly even afterburners from the Eminence II since your people seem to be proving they work."

That would bring one hell of a punch to hit and fade operations.

"The other is a heavy cruiser based on the tight formation the Helios fleet used in the Battle of Avoubic. Five newer model Shukhant and four Helios class ships were able to maintain their protection envelope and keep moving while destroying nearly anything that crossed their path.

This would be our answer to the Terran's Antares class."

You try not to wince. That's the ship Helios wanted you to convince other Factions NOT to fund... and then you went and did the opposite.

"It would mount four of our siege cannons, armor protection based off the Shukhant and have enough engine power to match newer heavies in terms of mobility."

>Are you interested in promoting one or the other?

Stopping here for the night. Heads up that I have to work later on tomorrow.

>>634182
From a financial perspective any design that we would begin now would be mostly aimed at the FA and the war against Neeran since this has spurred a massive upheaval of established ship designs and it is projected to last several years.
A Dominion built combat support heavy with oversized shields, point defense and a single siege cannon as their main selling point would be more interesting to me.

>>634182
The hit and fade based ship is what we would personally but I also see the value in the other type. I'm for both but if we have to pick only 1, then I'd go with Hit and Fade.

Actually is our HAG design lab doing anything at the moment? We should get them or some other lab to start work on an upgraded Assault Corvette with contoured shielding.

>>634229
Also inform London to start setting up groundwork for a factory to produce the things. I'd like to be able to equip every single corvette that comes out of our shipyards to have them within 3 years.

>>634182
> Support for the Protection Envelope.

As much as the Raiding Medium fits our old personal doctrine of raiding, I have to say the protection envelope sounds much more appropriate for complete integration of Heavy Cruisers into FA doctrine at large, and to eliminate the risk of Heavy Cruisers being isolated from supporting or being supported by other fleet elements. Kind of like how infantry and tanks support each other and are exceptionally vulnerable to their opposites when alone.

> Support for the medium cruiser

On the other hand, their answer to the Terran's Antares class means that their Heavy Cruiser will have to compete with that. While I think we can all agree that our past support was a fuck-up, I don't think we will get any extra political capital out of supporting a competing design now.

And the medium DOES fit our high mobility combat doctrine, and will allow better integration with our mixed unit tactics. Especially with our increased familiarity and use of the the Gravity Well to dictate engagements.

>>634248
Actually I see the Heavy as a better companion for the gravity well since that way the slower ships are able to engage before the enemy is able to jump out. We really shouldn't center our future tactics on the grav generator before we have a production license in our hand though.

>>634255

I don't see the new defense envelope providing anything new to the Grav Well use that current heavies don't already provide, I should clarify.

guys help
the neeran war
it won't stop
I might be stuck in in the archives forever at this rate

>>634318
Keep reading.

>>634322
is there a summery of the neeran war or something? it would be really helpful.

>>634326
Sonia kills Neeran and steals their stuff.

>>634358
thanks.
to be honest I didn't read anything in the neeran war unless the description mentions any kind of looting. like that prototype neeran ship stealing. home front is much more fun with salvage operations.

>>634384
You're missing the classic Reynard moments like when we dropped a Neeran tanker on a base of theirs and annihilated half of the planet.

>>634387
what
okay you convinced me
re-reading now

>>634182
>Heavy Cruiser (Antares competitor)

>>634387
That was fun. As was the massive Command Ship battle. And almost the entire maelstrom campaign.

>>634389
Take your time. You aint dying, I hope, so you have the time.

>>634182
I would be interested in supporting both however will it be able to complement the Talos class? Which seems like it's going to be the future of Dominion Heavy Carriers.

>>634182
>This would be our answer to the Terran's Antares class

To be honest, after seeing how much bringing a huge doom fortress instead of medium and heavy cruisers or carriers fucked over Nasidum, I'm not really sure if trying to counter the Terrans' super expensive heavy cruiser with a super expensive one of our own is the right answer.

The Dominion is already building the best heavy carrier currently available, has a cheap alternative available, and whatever Ceres is going to come up with will probably be very decent as well. Then there's the Reynard heavy which is supposed to be more economically sensible than the new Terran heavy, and if I have to pick between something like 5 Reynard heavies, or 3 Terran ones, I'd prefer the flexibility offered by having more ships available. Even if they're individually inferior.

However, I can't see why the Dominion shouldn't pursue the same strategy with heavy cruisers as they're doing with their heavy carriers. The suggested Helios heavy as the top of the line cruiser equivalent to the Talos, Sonia's heavy as the middle-of-the-road economy version, and the Ascendancy or a new cheap design based on cargo frame construction as a mass production version.

>It would have a full sized siege weapon while also mounting enough engines to keep up with faster mediums.

I don't really see the advantage of putting a weapon that's designed to engage at extreme range on that kind of chassis. The ship's supposed to maintain distance from the enemy, not zip around the battlefield. It would be an interesting idea if it was built around the idea of micro FTL-ing in and out of the battle from unexpected directions, fire off a few shots and jump out again. Bonus points if they can get the range of the siege cannon to extend beyond the radius of a gravity well generator.

>>632418
>The Monitor can barely handle the weapons it already has.
Is it possible to put them as a long range option on the Eminence? With the side mounts for the semi-external medium plasma cannons, it should be fairly easy to trade mobility for additional long range fire power by replacing the plasma guns with these.

>>634445
I agree on your assessment of both ship designs. I'd like to see a heavy cruiser that's designed to act as a shield with (relatively) minor firepower but that can extend shields to protect a full wing of corvettes and still maintain capability to survive medium and heavier firepower. A mobile shield platform that focuses on mobility, protection and point defense. and maybe with specialized shield generators it could even have better control of the shields or have multiple layers to both protect an area while maintaining a weaker shield around itself.

>>634384
>>634387
Don't forget the AM teleport bomb.

And when we discovered the secret to getting it aboard the Neeran command ship.

>>634445
>I don't really see the advantage of putting a weapon that's designed to engage at extreme range on that kind of chassis.

I believe that you're forgetting how often sublight speed plays a factor in hit-and-run attacks. Especially the run part. The faster the ship, the faster they seem to be able to reach FTL jump speed. Speed is also important when you're being chased, as we've often chased (and been chased) down targets over multiple jumps through denser regions.

The higher speed also allows the siege weapon to relocate to better firing positions during battle, such as closing distances when enemy forces attempt to retreat. Or it just allows faster strike forces to take a siege weapon with them and not worry about having to lose their speed advantage.

>Antares Class comments

While I agree on most of the comments, do remember that more ships = more crew = more supply = more maintenance/pay.

While you may only get 3 Antares with an initial investment, it may be cheaper to field and maintain those 3 vs however many cheaper ships. With Corvettes numbers are key, but with larger ships they can potentially drain manpower resources quickly.

I could see the Heavy Cruiser design as viable, perhaps with some changes to the number of guns or something. This one would really, really need a solid evaluation of cost and punch to be viable.

>>634460
wait, did the crazy AM teleport bomb actually work?

I don't recall ever getting proof of that.

>>634525
TSTG won't tell us as its knowledge we haven't learned in game. He keeps our great success secret to tease us.

>>633860
>You also pass along the Alliance offer to salvage the hull of the downed Fortress. Several of the Barons of the newly formed local Houses immediately refuse, initially thinking the trade would be to upgrade your shipyards. It takes a moment to get the meeting back in order and the offer is explained to be unrelated to any others.
Wait, I though there was only one newly formed local house, and that we were on really good terms with it. Or have a few of the minor houses holding seceded when we weren't paying attention?

>>634548
There are at least two new houses. One aligned with Ber'helum, the other allied to the RH. No idea if these are actually 1 large House per side, or several smaller ones.

>>634553
I just remember that we helped one control their planet, and got them a medium cruiser. I'd be rather annoyed if they were undercutting us during the conference.

>>634039
Pretty much, that and everybody captured a ton of them in the Faction Wars.

>>634059
Ordinarily I'd say a Champion is worse but Forbearance has engines designed for the larger mega and has a fuck ton of upgrades so it kicks all kinds of ass.

The Champion was originally like the Kuun-Lan. Semi self sufficient with on board manufacturing to establish bases or shipyards in far flung areas. And enough firepower to tell an entire House to kindly go away. A few of the early Mega class were built like that too, and being larger could carry more stuff. Most megas were cheaper mass produced gun platforms pumped out to overwhelm Terran ability to produce expensive super weapons. Which for awhile actually worked.

>>634096
>It's Helios that prefers to be the power behind the throne sort of deal, right? Like it's fine being second all the time instead of occasionally ruling then falling behind, yes?
Kind of, yes.

>them working with BH regarding the Nanites
Ber'helum would probably be disenclined to share that tech right now in the middle of the civil war, especially after your warning about how dangerous it could be.

>could we offer to share the results of the Alliance data regarding the nanites with BH in exchange for them sharing their results with us?
They were already inclined to share their research with you regardless since they got it from you to begin with. So yeah they'd probably appreciate it.

>>634119
It's being used as a command and support ship to coordinate larger fleet actions. They've upgraded it with powerful communication and sensor arrays able to cut through most jamming in a 50-100 light year radius. Locally its able to partially overwhelm Neeran cloaking fields but this will make its location painfully obvious so they try not to do it that often.

The Isolationists or the "Light Neeran" have outfitted it with their own long range cloaking fields, allowing it to cover the movement of fleets of Super Heavies as they get into positions around a system.

It has been upgraded with some heavy plasma cannon turrets but not many.

>>634445
The doom fortress just wasn't used effectively by Nasidum/Bonrah nor did their plan make much sense.

Instead of using it as a wrecking ball and hopping from major planet to planet, they detached it from their main fleet and sent it chasing the array.

If they had instead maintained their fleet around the fortress and jumped from planet to planet like they did early on, they could have forced us to engage their combined fleet as civilian pressure among our allies and ourselves mounted.

A fortress that size should have had enough spare stores to comfortably supply their fleet which it did. The issue was fuel so they should have sent fast ships around pur initial cordon to secure all major fuel stores and siphon everything ready to be moved and then immediately secured the Nav station on the drh 2 side and used that cordon for resupply if needed, it was after all an entire dwarf galaxy under their control.

Imagine if they hadn't been reckless and maintained their formation. There was no way we were gonna break 3 heavies and a fortress, especially if they had acted like a mobile raiding force without any fixed installations to defend.

Think I'm rambling now but that Fortress if used correctly shouldn't have fucked N/B to the extent that it did.

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>>634524
>While I agree on most of the comments, do remember that more ships = more crew = more supply = more maintenance/pay.

Well... we already have an incredibly good carrier design available. Why not go the Shallan route and build something that straddles the line between regular heavy and super heavy? That way the Dominion could focus entirely on shipyards and repair infrastructure for heavy cruiser sized ship. We might even get the Shallans to help with the design if we share it with them.

No idea if this is feasible:

Take shallan medium - make it larger.
1) 1.25 super heavy engine blocks
2) 3 spinal modular bays, can either mount production facilities, carrier bay modules, or siege cannons
3) 2 modular bays for the wings, can either mount one additional siege cannon each, or carrier bay modules.

The new super heavy cruiser drives we've got a license for could probably help make it pretty fast for its size.

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>>634548
>>634553
>>634554
Several were liberated or switched to your side after being defeated. Pic related.

Two Houses that exist, or are planned to be created, are based around the two remaining colonies that Bonrah was keeping ships on. They haven't been captured yet so their governments are nonexistent and their territory is being largely run by RH / BH occupation forces.

>and that we were on really good terms with it.
You are. That doesn't mean they're not desperate for cash and resources.

>>634572
We're running into my lack of ability to write large scale actions in an effective manner as much as anything. I'm at my best writing small scale actions like skirmishes in my opinion.

It has been suggested to me that a new character be selected to be controlled by the players. Doesn't matter who, but it would get things back to what I'm better at. On the other hand I feel this would be detrimental to the game given the amount of player effort has been put into Sonia's development.

>>634587
I'm pretty invested in Sonia desu. Though I am hoping that we can hand the relay off to someone else and plan an invasion of House Mev'ac. which should be a smaller scale action.

>>634587
>We're running into my lack of ability to write large scale actions in an effective manner as much as anything. I'm at my best writing small scale actions like skirmishes in my opinion.

The battle where we hid in that asteroid to lure the neeran into a trap was great and pretty large scale. Whatever you did there, it worked well.

>the two remaining colonies that Bonrah was keeping ships on. They haven't been captured yet

Hah! Another chance to do some advertising for the dante gunship!

>>634587
Dont mind my criticism on the use of the Fortress. I didnt want to bring it up when we were facing it since I didnt want to give B/N commander any meta ideas. For all we know two of the three commanders wanted to split the fleet or other concerns that trouble joint commands. Especially if they were leading like the roman republic way where one duke gets all the say for the day.

Besides you need to balance between what inuniverse would have been the smart move and not fucking over the players. Especially the entire scope and scale of your setting, It might just be to much for one person.

>>634596
>desu
what? I know I didn't write that.

>>634604
>what is a world filter
senpai pls

>>634604
Abbreviations for shaking my head to be honest family wordfilter to baka desu senpai

>>634604
desu t b hsenpaif a m shit post more and you will learn of the word filter

>>634587
>We're running into my lack of ability to write large scale actions in an effective manner as much as anything. I'm at my best writing small scale actions like skirmishes in my opinion.

I think you're doing fine to be perfectly honest.

>>634604
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>>634229
>We should get them or some other lab to start work on an upgraded Assault Corvette with contoured shielding.
Switching our the shields is fairly easy. Assault corvettes are built to be easily upgraded with better equipment when available. It doesn't need a redesign.

>>634235
>Also inform London to start setting up groundwork for a factory to produce the things.
Done.

>>634223
>>634227
>>634248
Here was the rough idea of what I was going for with the two designs.

>>634613
huh, I suppose I didn't shitpost enough to learn of it. Legitimately surprised it took me this long to figure out.

>>634618
Now I want both.

>>634572
I don't know. I think the fortress fell into fairly realistic trap.

They set it up to be a wrecking ball in fleet combat, and so they quickly began to only see it as a wrecking ball for fleet combat.

Combined with their fairly clear belief that they couldn't possibly lose, they screwed up.

>>634657
I agree.

I think it was mainly due to the fact we had the Array kept a secret the entire time, and made it look as if the run alliance was divided too.

I don't think it was due to lack of writing ability at all.

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>>634445
>I don't really see the advantage of putting a weapon that's designed to engage at extreme range on that kind of chassis. The ship's supposed to maintain distance from the enemy, not zip around the battlefield.
Greater mobility would allow it to keep at range longer or jump out more easily when threatened by smaller faster ships.

>>634449
>a heavy cruiser that's designed to act as a shield with (relatively) minor firepower but that can extend shields to protect a full wing of corvettes and still maintain capability to survive medium and heavier firepower.
The Ascendency could probably be converted to perform this role.

As for new hulls that could do the same job better a modified version of the Viscount class hull might work. I'm envisioning something of a cross between the Viscount sketch and the Kadeshi Mothership. Obviously not as long.

Which would you be interested in supporting the development of?

[ ] Fast Medium Siege
[ ] New type Heavy Siege
[ ] Shield ship Heavy
[ ] Other / None of the above

>>634672
>[ ] New type Heavy Siege

>>634672
>[x] Shield ship Heavy

Would be a nice escort for supers and as Bastions for smaller fleets.

>>634672
>[x] Fast Medium Siege
>[x] New type Heavy Siege

Don't really see the need for a Shield Ship Heavy when Heavies already have fairly good shields and shield platforms are a thing whom are probably cheaper, easier to maintain, disposable and more specialized for the task.

Don't we have the production data for the Aries Zeus Heavy too? We should use that to help speed development.

>>634672
>>Which of the stuff we're building will be needed the most by them once the civil war is over?
>Heavy and Super Heavy capital ships for starters.


It seems that the Alliance may have given us a solid lead on this...

[x] New type Heavy Siege

>>634672
I think the shield ship heavy is an idea that's worth investigating, although not necessarily with Helios. It should be possible to convince somebody else to refit an old Ascendancy as a prototype to see if the idea is worth pursuing or not.

I'm also not a fan of all those siege bricks the various factions seem to be releasing lately. If the neeran or one of their client states ever get the idea to simply spam medium cruisers, the current FA line-up would be pretty inconvenienced.

I'll have to go with:
>[x] Fast Medium Siege
It's definitely a specialist ship but I can see it being pretty useful in certain situations.

Looks like we're probably going with the New type Heavy Siege. Others feel free to vote on it if you want.

You inform the Ambassador that you'd be happy to support development of the heavy cruiser, and that if the information on the Aries Zeus could be useful your House would share it.

"Thank you. I'm not sure if anything from it would help with this particular design but you never know."

Next up you make the offer to loan a Neeran artifact for a joint R&D program. The advanced cooling laser would theoretically increase the stability and rate of fire of larger plasma weapons.

You know that the Republic heavies suffered from severe cooling issues earlier in the war. They seem to have solved this by connecting to the more powerful cooling systems aboard stations or Super Heavy Cruisers. You suspect that hasn't taken care of it completely.

"We have tried to produce our own large version of the Republic weapons but to my knowledge they're nowhere near as efficient. It we could reverse engineer this technology its possible it might solve that.
I take it you would want this back?"

"Eventually." you confirm.

"And what would be your terms? Money? Currently available weapons, or perhaps those based on this technology?"

>What would you want in exchange for the loan?

>>634730
"I'm very flexible in terms of repayment for providing this artifact. A percentage of the profits based on technology derived from the artifact would be particularly helpful in the long run, and I'd also like to eventually upgrade Rioja's moon to produce the freeze rays, so any designs developed. I think it goes without saying, the industrial applications for this are staggering, too."

>>634730
>terms
Undeniable % ownership of derived tech (negotiable amount, even outright war can not deny us the ownership/profit % of derived tech)
Undeniable access to derived tech (purchase rights, suspend-able under certain conditions, but again undeniable)

As a base?

Basically, in exchange for granting Helios access to this, we get a cut that can never be revoked. Under certain circumstances (say outright war), profits could be held in trust to deny funding a war opponent, but our profits/access to derived tech can never be seized or revoked.

>>634730

I want to say, having a cut of the money made from this tech and whatever is built around it.

>>634730
"Full sharing of the technology and everything that comes of it. We would be doing this jointly after all. But that much is obviously. What I also want is royalties of the profit this will surely result in. I am sure we can agree to a suitable number that will satisfy both our Houses."

>>634730
>What would you want in exchange for the loan?
-A production license for everything that results from this research.
-A (small) percentage of the income generated by everything derived from this device.
-Teaching staff for our university
-Medical technology for Dro'all. I think I remember something about the stuff we have available not being top of the line because J-D is small and has a sizeable human population.
-Decent encryption technology. Preferably basic research and implementation so intel can use it to improve what we have.

>>634758
>-Medical technology for Dro'all.
Very nice suggestion. Would win us some favour in the old-guard Conservative groups.

Also Kavos

>>634672
Really I can't choose since I like the both so
[X] Fast Medium Siege
[X] New type Heavy Siege

Basically going with that >>634755 said.

>>634730
You have to call it the Reynard Deluxe Coolinator 5000

>>634762
>Would win us some favour in the old-guard Conservative groups.
That's debatable. It would do more for you among the general populace.


Most of the votes seem to be in agreement on rights to future technology and a percentage of the profits.

The Ambassador seems surprised you don't want weapons for more immediate use in the Civil War.

"I'm planning ahead for the long term. We're already going to salvage a ton of weapons from the immobilised Fortress. Also I doubt my House can afford to field many more ships that cound mount them right now."

"I believe we should be able to come to an agreement along those lines. Your lawyers will be contacted with details as soon as FTL traffic to the Centri cluster resumes."

Your meeting seems to have been a short but productive one. After being cut off from the postential R&D resources of House Helios for so long you now have two potential deals.

>>634845
They only have to call the prototype that, and even then only as an informal name.

Elsewhere in the Run your ground troops are trying to help finish off the fighting on worlds belonging to your allies.

Roll 6d20 for ground combat losses.

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>634854
>Roll 6d20 for ground combat losses.
1

Rolled 20, 12, 13, 4, 5, 9 = 63 (6d20)

>>634854
ROLLING BONES

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>634864
2

Rolled 13 (1d20)

>>634867
3

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>634870
4

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>634877
5

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>634883
6

Rolled 3, 4, 7, 19, 13, 14 = 60 (6d20)

>>634854
Fun with dice, and it looks like I need luck at the back end...

>>634854

Rolled 2, 8, 20, 20, 8, 15 = 73 (6d20)

>>634854
>>634898

Bluh dice feature

When General Rna reports in you're informed that the army units helping your allies have taken roughly 25% casualties. Most of those are wounded of course but they're still higher than you'd like.

"I fully expected higher numbers of casualties." Rna tells you.
"Our newer tanks and heavier fire support have worked out well and meant that even against experienced troops they're able to hold their own. I plan to transfer as many vehicles as possible to the units being deployed to the next Relay."

"How many do you think you can spare?"

"No more than 250,000. Even that will require some volunteers from units I'd like to rotate off the lines."

Baron Winifred has now sent you a formal request for additional troops, though she hasn't specified how many are needed.
Sending more will mean putting more strain on the army, but the extra troops may give them more options on the ground. Sending less will of course reverse those trends.

How many do you want to send?

Getting ready for work, see you around 9PM EST.

>>635026
200,000 or so

Enough to meaningfully contribute without spreading us too thin in the Run.

>>635026

Ask General RNA what would be a good number to send that wont tax our troops more then they have been already. But also go with this: >>635032 suggestion.

>>635026
200k sounds okay to me. Could we ask our allies if they'd be willing to loan us some of their assault vehicles for the fighting in the other relay?

>>635026
Rna says we can send 250 000 and strain ourselves so I agree with
>>635032
>>635044
That 200 000 is a good number.

>roughly 25% casualties
That's ofcourse counting wounded and the like yes? Not straight up dead.

>>635026
200k sounds good.

Should make sure they're equipped with the best stuff too, a couple Dante gunships, some of those repulsor cannon superheavy tanks, and enough HAGs to level a continent.

Also damn we started out not even really in charge of a few dozen fools on a beat up corvette and now we're throwing lives around by the tens of thousands.

>>635026
Can we help retake the ruling house planet with Sonia's gunship?

>>635026
> Show up personally with our personal security force

Also 200,000

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>Sonia when the Republic has to start buying Turbocooled Plasma Weapons from her

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>>635550
>Turbocooled Plasma Weapons
>Turbo laser cooled plasma weapons
>Turbo Laser
Mind blown.

>>634597
>two remaining colonies that Bonrah was keeping ships on. They haven't been captured yet
>Hah! Another chance to do some advertising for the dante gunship!
>>635075
>a couple Dante gunships, some of those repulsor cannon superheavy tanks, and enough HAGs to level a continent.

Looks like 200k in troops will be sent.

Everyone ok with sending most of the Dante Gunships?

>>636292
I don't really care. So sure

>>636292
>Everyone ok with sending most of the Dante Gunships?

Sounds good to me. Keep a wingman/pair for our walker? (no idea how many we have)

>>636292
Yea

>>636292
Well we don't have that much use of them here I am sure Winifred will enjoy our toys.

>>636292
So long as our General is cool with it.

>>636292
Hey, are people who missed the vote for the Medium Siege vs. Heavy Cruiser going to be allowed to vote still? Or are you doing a survey?

>>636407
You can vote still if you want. If there's enough people that want them changed I can do so.
Wasn't planning on doing a survey unless it became an issue.

>>636357
>So long as our General is cool with it.
"Provided you don't suddenly turn up among them without warning I would welcome the extra firepower."


Around the same time your troops are ready to deploy to the next Relay, the Aries station is brought online to bring in a convoy. Ber'helum and Helios send the largest convoy elements while those from others are considerably smaller. No additional Heavy or Super Heavy warships are brought in. It looks like everyone else is trying to make the best of the recently defeated Nasidum fleet.

Fighting in the Centri cluster has escalated rather than tapering off as expected. Most House units not specifically set aside for defense are preparing to deploy to the front lines to provide additional reinforcements.

The Count does not intend to draw upon your forces until they've had time to rebuild but they would like your estimated personnel losses so they can plan around them.

Aside from a few places all of the worlds your people could have ended up on have been retaken and stranded ship crews recovered. Teleport receiver ships the Ruling House brought were helpful in getting your aces back into the fight but there weren't enough to help everyone. In some cases you ended up with enemy crews who have been taken as POWs.


Roll 10d100 so we can get an idea of the recovery rate of your pilots.

>>636461
In that case count me down as voting for the fast siege medium.

If we do put afterburners on them as well, can we also have them use AM torpedoes? I mean, they'll already have it on board so why not.

Rolled 30, 46, 30, 66, 47, 79, 43, 92, 50, 95 = 578 (10d100)

>>636461

Rolled 95, 64, 35, 35, 100, 76, 9, 67, 36, 44 = 561 (10d100)

>>636461
also rolling.

>>636473
Missed a zero there bai.

Rolled 30, 95, 82, 23, 59, 88, 94, 70, 93, 87 = 721 (10d100)

>>636461
Correct dice this time.

95, 95, 82, 66, 100, 88, 94, 92, 93, 95

Apparently, we can recover REALLY WELL.

>>636505
Enlist in Sonia's Space Sharks today! Join for the salvage, stay for the fact that we make sure you do get to stay!

>>636479
Yes, but their rate of fire would understandably suffer when the AB's are on.

Against all odds it seems that the vast majority of your pilots survived the fighting. Newer more reliable emergency teleporters, training to ensure they're used, and plenty of habitable worlds within range have all contributed greatly to survival rates.
Some of them are still out of action from injuries and the like but others were returning to battle even before the fighting around Avoubic ended.

Word of this has begun to reach the civilian populace despite attempts to contain leaks. Some ships requiring larger crews were not always so fortunate. People from your fleet have died to be certain and until there is final confirmation the notification services would rather not get too many people's hopes up.

[ ] Hold off on announcements for another week
[ ] Our losses were better than expected. Use it to boost morale

>>636602
>[x] Hold off on announcements for another week

>>636602
>[ ] Hold off on announcements for another week
We can declare a planetary holiday or something to celebrate the Run repelling the invaders while suffering minimal losses or somesuch.

>>636602
>[X] Hold off on announcements for another week

I agree with >>636626 in that we should look into some kind of celebration for part of the day and service during the evening for those that didn't make it. When the Civil war is over we should look into setting up a memorial or something like that.

>>636658
Could always host the victory party this gi round

>>636602
Does this include allied forces?

It seems like a very, very dick thing to celebrate our good fortune if our allies have suffered higher casualty rates.

>>636685
I think it would be more of a celebration of pushing the enemy back and retaking the Relay. Maybe we can host something before our troops head out or maybe when they return.

>>636719
We should focus on the importance of the Run Alliance and unity.

>>636685
Your House and most of your allies in the Run Alliance have suffered few casualties. True not everyone was so fortunate.

>It seems like a very, very dick thing to celebrate our good fortune if our allies have suffered higher casualty rates.
Most Houses or worlds will use the opportunity when available if a campaign is a success.

Enemy losses were worse because their ships had slightly larger crews to make field repairs easier.

>>636615
>>636626
>>636658
Looks like we'll hold off for a week.
All efforts are being made to save people that are still alive and may be trapped in wreckage or on the fighting to finish liberating worlds. You can celebrate later.

The Navigators Guild has expressed their annoyance with all of the allied Houses containing military control of the Aries station. Representatives of the Ruling House have assured them that normal operations will be allowed to resume in "a few more weeks" though they haven't said exactly how many. Only promises to hand over the Aries station to them at that time are keeping things friendly.

You decide to ask Fadila about the situation.
"If they do get pissed off with us what can they really do at this point?"

"Revoking our access to the repair berths at their stations would most likely be their first response. Offering additional assistance to the Terran blockade would be another.
If they were upset at you specifically they might cancel or even ban your planned salvage expeditions into the border regions of the nav hazards."

You frown at this. "Its still our space. We can salvage in it if we want."

"Intentionally violating nav hazards like Aries, sorry, House Aries did would cause them to enact sanctions. Aries has diverse assets and deep coffers to weather that level of economic embargo, we do not. Besides, you would probably use RSS to perform the salvage operation and it would be easy for the guild to pull their civilian navigators or prevent them from hiring more."

Right, there was a reason you hadn't done that already.

>>636840
>You decide to ask Fadila about the situation.
Don't anger the Navigator's Guild too much, got it.

>>636840
As an aside, did the Earl tell us what he wanted us to grab in salvage?

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Going to be stopping here for the night and running through the day tomorrow.

I'd had a few questions asked about Kim's cloaked Battleships a few weeks ago. This prompting my renewed attempts to draw up a Kavarian battlecruiser that didn't suck, and from there the SRL Fast Battleship.

This is that class you've been using with Battleship grade cloaking shields off and on for awhile now.

>>636950
>This is that class you've been using with Battleship grade cloaking shields off and on for awhile now.
Does the shape/material of the hull change the effectivity of the cloak? Would it be worth looking into a custom design and combining the contour shield technology with it as well?

>>636840
...there's no way we could have simply sold them the station (minus some portion of damages etc) for the exclusive rights to lease control of the station for a month or two, right? So they would have ownership and could start doing upgrades to the station and monitoring traffic, but we (or a coalition of local houses) temporarily control the flow of ships into or out of the relay.

>>637021
You mean

> Combining the contour shield technology with the holographic systems we have.

>>637026
That would violate the Guilds neutrality.

Although I would sure like to see them take more concrete action against House Aries and those dicks, and would point out that their lack of doing so makes it necessary for us to maintain said control.

>>636948
I'll get back to you on that in the morning.

>>637021
>Does the shape/material of the hull change the effectivity of the cloak?
Not really, the modified engines are enough for what it does. Its more of an issue if they need to temporarily drop the cloak for whatever reason, like say an attack run. In the case of the battleships their tough armor lets them take a few hits while they get the hell out.

Your Nocturn class has it hull set up not just to make movement harder to detect but the ship stealthier so that it might not be picked up if its cloak went down for a few seconds for whatever reason.

>Would it be worth looking into a custom design and combining the contour shield technology with it as well?
You can upgrade them with the new shields sure. If you mean getting them to work while their cloaking shields are also up the answer to that is no.

>>637026
>>637069
>Although I would sure like to see them take more concrete action against House Aries and those dicks, and would point out that their lack of doing so makes it necessary for us to maintain said control.
Who says that they're not doing things? They don't have to report to you. They are probably putting sanctions into place though.
It won't be very effective against the larger Houses who can train their own navigators through the military. It could still hurt their logistics if they have to start putting more military personnel on civilian transport ships.

>>637117
>Who says that they're not doing things? They don't have to report to you.

Well, now I'm kind of pissed at our intelligence division.

But like, fuck, if the big houses can just train their own navigators and shit what's even the point of having a nav guild?

I say, after this war let's focus on pushing them out.

But not really because we ain't got time for that shit. But seriously.

>>637117
Could we mix in contoured shields and our hologram projectors to let us emulate completely different ships?

Like, instead of shaping the shields to contour to our ship shape, can we set them to mimic other shapes?

Because if so, maybe we can also use them to mimic Neeran "Jelly" shields where we deform the shields around the torpedoes to kind of "catch" them.

>>637448
Because the nav relays have to be impartial to traffic just like a road or the internet. Civilian trade and expansion would pretty much die if the relay network was controlled by hundreds of different factions each with different embargos.

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>what's even the point of having a nav guild?
The guild sets the bar for standardized navigator training. As part of the Factions treaty they're responsible for maintaining up to date navigation databases of where its safe for ships, civilian or military, to travel. They also operate services like stations for the relay network, and navigation buoys along all major trade routes.
All while trying to maintain a neutral stance.

Not every House bothers with their own training programs and will more often pay to send people to schools operated by the Guild. J-D being rather small to start with has had a majority of their navigators trained at guild run schools.

Plenty of civilians will apply to those same schools on their own and from there can easily get jobs with freight companies. Most large companies will only accept navigators trained by guild schools.

Unfortunately being a largely civilian organisation the navigators guild are often used as a vector to plant spies in the space of other factions, or to observe fleet movements.

>>637843
I have to wonder if there has ever been a precedent set where a faction/region/military has dictated to the guild that traffic is to be limited.

There was the Nasidium blockade earlier, but that was just them shooting at shit, right?

>>637852
>I have to wonder if there has ever been a precedent set where a faction/region/military has dictated to the guild that traffic is to be limited.
Yes but this usually meant occupying their stations to some extent since they generally refused to cooperate.
There were attempts to block nav data being sent to SRL pirate fleets but they generally had spies aboard to send data to the larger fleets should they have been refused.

>There was the Nasidium blockade earlier, but that was just them shooting at shit, right?
Pretty much. At that point the Guild was sending out warnings to civilian ships that they should avoid using the route due to the blockade and risk of being fired upon.

Working on salvage. This could take a bit.

>>637867
>Working on salvage. This could take a bit.
Why? It's only like 20 000 ships to count.

>>637867
>Working on salvage.
Time for the JD super fleet to grow!

>>637867
What's happening with the array by the way? Are we keeping it, selling it, disassembling and war memorial-ing it?

>>637952
It was supposed to be used to accelerate traffic into the nav hazard again once the civil war is over.

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>>638028
>>638038
This. You made and agreement with the Ruling House to ensure this would happen. If you'd made a deal with Ber'helum they'd planned to split up the Array into 3 Mega class ships since it's difficult to move it outside your Relay. The plasma array systems could be salvaged and used in the construction of plasma weapons, or kept in place should the array need to be used again in future wars.

>>637843
The first concern of salvage rights is that every House be provided with replacements for ships they've lost in the fighting. After that the remainder can be split up. For anyone who lost attack cruisers this is vital simply because they cost so much more to build than corvettes.

Count Jerik is uncertain if the fleet can really support more ships. Certainly on paper you could take on more since you don't expect to be supporting the Array now.
"Truthfully I'm torn between asking for another newer Carrier that we could use to replace the Majestic, or for more firepower to help here in the homeworlds when Forbearance isn't around."

As Fadila informs you, some of your allies would consider Avun's Heavy Carrier to count towards your salvage claims. Its barely damaged and as such represents a large chunk of the value of captured ships.

Another problem you're starting to learn of is that there isn't as much small warship salvage as you would have hoped. Antimatter doesn't tend to leave a lot of matter behind it seems. Despite this there is still a monstrous 40 billion worth of salvageable small starships.

Between the amount to be split with the different Houses and bonuses for those bringing more firepower you should be owed about 8 billion in salvage.

It's time for you to argue your case for Avuns ship to not be counted towards your House salvage otherwise you're not going to be able to get much beyond the replacements.

>What say?

>>638049

We used the info that Avun hid in that assassin's knife to organize the entire defense, didn't we?

>>638049
"First off, Avun warned us over six months before the attack of its planned timing, and composition. We shared that information on a confidential basis with our closest allies and the major houses in the relay. Without the forewarning of the fortress attack, we would not have built the array and may not have snuck in the reinforcements we managed. As a result, we were able to reduce casualties substantially. Furthermore, since Avun has been working for our side since before the beginning of the campaign, it is only proper to consider units under her command to be J-D units, rather than salvaged units.
Furthermore, the Run Alliance, and House J-D willingly took the brunt of the attack to ensure victory. Trying to cheat us out of salvage we and our allies need to rebuild is rather unfair, given our outsized material and intelligence contributions to our victory."

>>638049
>As Fadila informs you, some of your allies would consider Avun's Heavy Carrier to count towards your salvage claims.

Let's first point out the Law of Salvage in space. Avuns ship has neither been disabled nor crippled by our forces. It was turned from the enemy forces as it had been operating as a double agent the entire time. This making it an allied ship. Seeing as it was neither salvaged nor was it an enemy ship there can't lay a salvage claim to it much like we can't lay claim to planets liberated by our ground forces after they had been occupied.

Based on those two things, them being allies and them not actually being salvaged to begin with makes this claim that they count towards us null and void.

Besides they law is it not poor taste to treat the hero who made our success here possible, Avun, like this? Claiming her ship is salvage and the like. Without her we would all be dead.

>>638063
That and our ships are responsible for most big ships going down. Foss is under contract with JD so his forces counts as ours for the purpose of dividing salvage. Seeing as the Array is also ours, along with the only Supers here, that would mean it was mostly our own forces that took down the enemys own Supers and the Fortress. But I suspect the Fortress will be it's own thing.

>>638049
"It would be a gross mistake to treat someone like this. It was thanks to Avun's actions at all that we're able to have this very conversation; warning us months in advance of the impending attack gave us necessary time to prepare."

"Should we treat someone so poorly, I dread to think that we may one day fall victim to the exploits of a poorly treated and disgruntled knight."

>>638049
>>638049
>otherwise you're not going to be able to get much beyond the replacements

How did that happen? We own any siege weapon kills in the first engagements before Helios made their move, and something like a third of the array. I would have expected more.

>>638049
I'd also like to point out that so far, the Run Alliance and allies have always played it honestly and with good intentions and morals.

This would be the first step to introduce animosity between cooperating members.

>>638074
>>638076
I'll support these. Avun did act as a double agent from the outset of he invasion, making her an allied vessel in support of our operation, nullifying the salvage claim of a "seized" enemy ship.

>>638063
This is true.

>>638099
>How did that happen?
The Fortress is still being calculated separately. Also the dangers of having too many allies. Especially when some of those allies are less than pleased at being dragged into the fighting like some of the Ruling House vassals were.
Few in the Run Alliance would suggest having Avun's ship count as salvage, but those outside would.

Not that your wealth of heavy warships brought to the battle isn't making the other Houses jealous.

At any rate it looks like the majority have decided to accept the Alliance offer to sell the hull of the Fortress. That should add another Billion to your coffers.

>>638108
>This would be the first step to introduce animosity between cooperating members.
Counting it or not counting it?

>>638090
>>638076
>>638074
>>638063
Writing.

"Let's first look at the Law of Salvage in space. Avuns ship has neither been disabled nor crippled by our forces. It was turned from the enemy forces as it had been operating as a double agent the entire time.
This makes it an allied ship. Seeing as it was neither salvaged nor was it an enemy ship that surrendered there can be no salvage claim to it. Being allies that fought on our side and were never actually salvaged makes this claim that they count towards our claims null and void.

Besides all of that it would be a gross mistake to treat someone like this. It was thanks to Avun's actions at all that we're able to have this very conversation; warning us months in advance of the planned timing, and composition of the impending attack gave us necessary time to prepare.

We shared that information on a confidential basis with our closest allies and the major houses in the relay. Without the forewarning of the fortress attack, we would not have prepared the array and may not have snuck in the reinforcements we managed.

Should we treat someone so poorly, I dread to think that we may one day fall victim to the exploits of a poorly treated and disgruntled Knight."

Some of the more aggrieved allies still argue that they should be allotted compensation for losses they suffered in instances where they fought Avun's Assault corvette units. Unsurprisingly they want it to be taken from your share.
You counter that you also took ship losses in similar incidents, though you'll hardly admit these were few and far between.

"House J-D willingly took the brunt of the attack to ensure victory. Trying to cheat us out of salvage we and our allies need to rebuild is rather unfair, given our outsized material and intelligence contributions to our victory."

That seems to have turned opinion against the vocal minority, though if you take too much salvage you could still potentially earn the ire off many more.

Salvage rights + payment from Fortress = 8-9 Billion
You could probably go above 9 billion in claimed salvage but this will hurt relations. What are you interested in taking?


>Corvettes/ Frigates / Attack Cruisers
7840 (653 Squadrons or 108 Wings) Average 5.1m per ship

>Battleships / Battlecruisers
N/A (All used to replace losses)

>Medium Cruisers
~20x average of 155 million each

>Heavy
Talos 8 Billion (Avun)*
Talos 7 Billion (Crippled)
Talos 5 Billion (Badly Crippled)

Ascendancy 4 Billion (Cigarillo)
Ascendancy 1 to 1.5 Billion (Gutted)
Chining 4 Billion

Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 1 Billion (Crippled)
Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 350 million (Gutted)

>Super
9.0 Billion (Crippled)
8.7 Billion (Crippled)
7.0 Billion (Badly Crippled)

>>638292

Do we need to take the SRL forces' payment into account in our salvage claims?

If so, what do they (Foss?) want?

What is the situation with the Supers? I imagine that BH/RH/Helios have eyes on them? We're clearly in no position to claim one, but we should probably investigate what the plan is with those ships. We've got the only Super Heavy repair dock the ships can be moved to, and we might be able to work something out with one of the interested parties. (say the two that need more repairs, as we might be able to get that engine PL going for them?)

>>638292
Supers go right out of the window. We do not have the manpower to use another.

I am doubtful about Heavies as well even if I would like another Talon Carrier ontop of Avuns considering that they are pretty top of the line. But again. Manpower. Also the Talos class are very pricey and the other are not very good compared to them. Being either budget Heavies or out of date Heavies.

I am unsure about the Mediums as well considering our level 4 yard we got that mass produces them at 50 a year. But we will probably want some of those. Maybe 4-6?

Attack Corvettes and Attack Cruisers to cover our losses would be nice but other than that I am more interested in money to help cover our rebuilding effort and our still substantial debt.

No real need for Frigates since what Frigates we do tend to have are Bombard class.
However I wonder... If we took the badly crippled Super we could use our new Super Repair equipment to rebuild it and sell it for a tidy sum with the added bonus of the new Drives from our PL that we also go.

>>638292
>What are you interested in taking?

>Supers
I don't think we can really afford to field any besides Forbearance. There's also the added bonus that if other Houses buy these ships, they'll have to get at least some repairs done by us. Which again means more space shekels for j-d.

>Heavy
Talos carriers are very nice ships but if our past deployments have shown anything, it's that j-d needs more carriers. We've been pretty good at keeping them out of combat, so I'd go with the budget choices.

>Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 1 Billion (Crippled)
>Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 350 million (Gutted)

Maaaybe one of the heavies in addition to that. Even if it's an old design, the Ascendancy seems to be suitable for a wide range of combat roles. There also seem to be tons of upgrades available, and for that reason I would suggest taking the gutted one if we decide to take a heavy cruiser. Maybe Helios will let us upgrade one to to the same specifications as those prototypes they used in the other relay

>Ascendancy 1 to 1.5 Billion (Gutted)?

>Medium Cruisers
I think we should keep these available for the other Houses in the relay. J-D desperately needed them when we started out, so I'm going to assume many of the smaller houses would love a chance to get these.

>Corvettes/ Frigates / Attack Cruisers
Did the Nasidum fleet deploy any standard frigates? Getting those might be useful because we can upgrade them into plasma frigates.

Are any of the cruisers of the same classes our House is using?

Other than that I'd suggest we fill our remaining claims with assault corvettes, and maybe attack corvettes. The older design seems to be more useful outside of pure combat deployments, as the incident with the refugee station showed.

>Other
Can we get manufacturing and repair facilities from the fortress?
We should consider grabbing a few additional siege cannons to upgrade some of our stations.

>>638353
>However I wonder... If we took the badly crippled Super we could use our new Super Repair equipment to rebuild it and sell it for a tidy sum with the added bonus of the new Drives from our PL that we also go.

Alternatively it also just struck me that we could offer to repair them to who ever gets them and still make money off it due to the repair equipment and the fact that we got the Forbearance repair station that can probably deal with it.

>>638359
>Talos carriers are very nice ships but if our past deployments have shown anything, it's that j-d needs more carriers. We've been pretty good at keeping them out of combat, so I'd go with the budget choices.

>Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 1 Billion (Crippled)
>Ceres-Bonrah Carrier 350 million (Gutted)

While those aren't very pricey I have worries about their performance and abilities in the field. Also the gutted one will probably be obscenely expensive to repair and will be out of action for some time. Repair work has a tendency to hemorrhage money after all. If we want a Heavy we should go for the either of the Talons. Will make logistics happier if we got the two of them working as a pair.

>>638292
Superheavies are right out, Talos are too pricey and we already got Avun for free. Maybe one of the cheaper heavies to use as a carrier.

Otherwise we could use three or four of the nicer mediums and a big variety pile of corvettes

>>638369
>While those aren't very pricey I have worries about their performance and abilities in the field

TSTG, could you tell us how these perform compared to the neeran carrier our house has, Majestic, and the Talos design?

>Also the gutted one will probably be obscenely expensive to repair and will be out of action for some time

Dunno. We also have the design documents for the Talos' hangar bays, maybe they're useful when it comes to repairing. TSTG, can you help us out again?

>>638400
If the price of the Talos is to much we can always go for the badly crippled one. It has highly damaged engines and i was thinking we make it into a fast Heavy by putting those new Mega Class Engines on it that we got a PL for.

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>>638333
>Do we need to take the SRL forces' payment into account in our salvage claims?
No, that's already taken care of separately. Basically their contract gets shortened a bit the more fighting they do.

>>638333
>I imagine that BH/RH/Helios have eyes on them?
Actually Helios is looking at the Heavy Carriers. But yeah RH/BH are looking at a Super each if they can.

>We're clearly in no position to claim one
Given the amount of time it will take to get them all back into service plus the fact that you'll be handing over the Array the House could probably get one operational in 6 months. Manpower will be tight and will remain that way for a couple of years. There are experienced crews from Forbearance to draw on and plenty of mercs with experience on Supers if you were desperate.

If your casualties had been worse this wouldn't be an option.

>>638353
>Also the Talos class are very pricey
They really are.

>I am unsure about the Mediums as well considering our level 4 yard we got that mass produces them at 50 a year.
You can always sell them later.

>Attack Corvettes and Attack Cruisers to cover our losses would be nice
Losses have already been covered. All of the salvage up for grabs is after the replacement of most ship losses.

>Super
>rebuild it and sell it for a tidy sum
Also an option

>>638359
>Did the Nasidum fleet deploy any standard frigates?
Some. Mostly in support roles but the occasional unit had combat versions.

>Are any of the cruisers of the same classes our House is using?
Yes, though most are of the Dragoon or Chevalier classes.

>Can we get manufacturing and repair facilities from the fortress?
Whatever can be salvaged possibly.

>>638369
>I have worries about their performance and abilities in the field. Also the gutted one will probably be obscenely expensive to repair and will be out of action for some time.
You could also refit them back into giant asteroid tugs since you're on good relations with House Ceres.

>>638292
I'm interested mainly in things that we can support easily logistically. So no weird attack cruisers. Keep the mediums to either specialist designs (like seine or carriers)or things we can easily support. Lots of assault corvettes, and some carriers, and various things we need to build up a reserve

>>638417
>Some. Mostly in support roles but the occasional unit had combat versions.
Let's get these.

>Yes, though most are of the Dragoon or Chevalier classes.

Get the ones we're already using, have Mike and other specialists look through the remaining ships. If they want anything, they should be able to get it.

Contact Winifred and Baron Dante to see if they want any of the ships types J-D isn't using.

>>638292
Talos 8 Billion (Avun)*
Chining 4 Billion

If we can swing the deal for Avun's carrier for free we should try for the Chining to keep here. When we take the fight to DRH1 we'll need to have a good gunship heavy to fill Forbearance's role when it leaves.

I honestly don't remember it's stats but it seemed to do well during the battle and we can replace the engines it lost pretty handily. Plus I find the design pleasing.

>>638292
>>Battleships / Battlecruisers
>N/A (All used to replace losses)
Were losses that bad on our side, or did Nasidum not field many of these?

>>638417
If possible, we should get one of the tugs refitted back to original specs and use/rent it out. Its a good ship to train heavy crews on.

When it's pushing an asteroid, does it mass close to a small Super? It could then be used to train our navigators on handling a heavy size ship at FTL.

>>638405
>TSTG, could you tell us how these perform compared to the neeran carrier our house has, Majestic, and the Talos design?
The Ceres-Bonrah Carrier is dedicated to repairs on old standard and attack corvettes. They're nearly useless for just about anything else. They do a very good job of repairing those ships, and since they're probably built out of old decommissioned shipyard sections, could be set up to build corvettes.
Sublight performance isn't the greatest. About the same as older Medium Cruisers. Construction and hull strength is adequate but nothing special. As you've seen first hand they can not take siege weapon fire.
It's a support ship meant to stay far away from the fighting not take fire.

The "Qliphoth" Neeran Heavy Carrier carries equipment to repair and maintain the newest and most advanced corvettes. There are external docking points for battleships or smaller craft to receive repairs. This is a tough ship, with shields, armor and weapons capable of letting it go up against heavy cruisers for short durations, enough to get out of range or cover more vulnerable support craft.
Its internal ship capacity is less than the other two classes.
As it is smaller its sublight performance is rather good, though it will have trouble outrunning Medium Cruisers.

The Senate class in the case of the Majestic is an older Heavy Carrier design. Its internal capacity is the best of the lot but some of that is wasted empty space. While their outer armor is relatively tough and the shields can take a few hits, they are not considered to be capable of defending themselves.
Sublight performance is poor, even among the newer upgraded models the Republic are building. They can out run Mega class Supers* but are a match in speed for most Ascendancy types.
Majestics has been heavily upgraded with better defensive capability than most of her class.

The Talos has less capacity than the Senate and has difficulty handling some specific battleships but is generally far more efficient. Its repair bays can match those on the Qliphoth for ability to quickly repair assault corvettes, but don't have as much difficulty with other classes. Rather fast for a ship it's size, this like many other parts of its equipment, can be upgraded.
This custom upgrade capacity is a key feature of the design letting House Talos tailor the ships to the demands of the customer.
Shields are a match for most heavy cruisers. Default weapons compliment isn't the best but these can be upgraded in many ways. Avun had forward light siege cannons installed in addition to multiple light torpedo batteries and more sublight maneuvering drives in the outer modules.
All of this comes at a price, making it easily the most expensive of the four.

*= Provided they aren't using afterburners

>cont.

>>638462
We had the edge in numbers of BS/BC's over Nasidum and Bonrah. Makes sense that there are none up for grabs after replacements.

>>Also the gutted one will probably be obscenely expensive to repair and will be out of action for some time
>Dunno. We also have the design documents for the Talos' hangar bays, maybe they're useful when it comes to repairing. TSTG, can you help us out again?
You want to refit the Ceres Tug with Talos hangar bays? I'm going to say that you don't have the technical capacity to do that. You could send it to House Ceres and have it refit into the new design they're working on based off the data you gave them.

>>638462
Both. Your side fielded more battleships than they did and thus had more losses to take.

>>638463
>When it's pushing an asteroid, does it mass close to a small Super?
They can push mass greater than some Supers.

>>638471
>The Ceres-Bonrah Carrier is dedicated to repairs on old standard and attack corvettes

Can we upgrade that to include assault corvettes?

>>638480
>You could send it to House Ceres and have it refit into the new design they're working on based off the data you gave them.

What would kind of ship we be looking at? How much would it cost?

>>638441
Gonna agree here.
I'm mostly interested in assault corvettes, maybe a heavy cruiser, and increasing our fighter strength, since we're kinda weak in that area.

>>638480
>When it's pushing an asteroid, does it mass close to a small Super?
>They can push mass greater than some Supers.

Desireintensifies.net

Please add the engine damaged Ceres/Bonrah carrier to this ship request >>638455

The Chining and C/B Carrier requested for easy referral. The rest of our money could be used to pay for war debt and building our small ship replacements.

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>>638484
>>638485
>Can we upgrade that to include assault corvettes?
Short answer: No.
Long answer, not easily. It physically couldn't fit them in the repair bays since its built out of old standard corvette slipways. You'd have to chop every section and pull it apart like an accordion.

>What would kind of ship we be looking at? How much would it cost?
They're still developing it so they can't really say yet. They'll probably rush a prototype to completion in another month though. Their design will probably have options to repair most Dominion ships while remaining cheaper than the Talos. Expect it to still be less capable than it.

>>638495
>Desireintensifies.net
Just be aware that it would need the crazy expensive special FTL systems added to it. Not having those was how Bonrah is able to build these carriers so cheaply.

>and building our small ship replacements.
Your ships have mostly been replaced with salvage. If anything your infrastructure has taken more long term damage.

>>638531
>Long answer, not easily
It might still be an interesting ship for the fleets back home, they're still using larger numbers of older corvettes as garrison units. I would suggest to contact them about it.

>>638417
Can we improve our maintenance situation by selling off rare/substandard ships and ensuring that our wings have at most two or three separate designs each? Especially AC fleet, which is mostly made of salvage IIRC.

>>638441
>>638486
I am in agreement here. Specialist forces can have their pick but we should stick to our own brand of Cruisers, Dusk ll and EX-Ks, and Attack Corvettes. Anything above that is different.

I am still not convinced that the Ceres Carrier is a good pick. It would require a lot of work first and if we are going to rework it we may just grab a actual Heavy Carrier like the Talos or a Ascendancy. Even I am still leaning towards the more damaged Talos Carrier due to it's high quality and extensive options for modifications and improvement.

>>638531
How much does the special FTL system cost and how quickly would it pay for itself using it to tow super heavies to our shipyards for repairs and asteroids for materials?

>>638586
>I am still not convinced that the Ceres Carrier is a good pick. It would require a lot of work first and if we are going to rework it we may just grab a actual Heavy Carrier like the Talos or a Ascendancy. Even I am still leaning towards the more damaged Talos Carrier due to it's high quality and extensive options for modifications and improvement.
Personally, leaning towards an additional heavy cruiser, and selling a lot of stakes to repair infrastructure.

>>638598
If we get the badly crippled Talos carrier we get the highest quality ship for 5 out of our 8-9 billions leaving us with about 4 billion to spend on a few Mediums, if we want that I know I do, and the rest to help rebuild what we've lost in terms of infrastructure.

>>638586
Me by the way.

>>638611
>If we get the badly crippled Talos carrier we get the highest quality ship for 5 out of our 8-9 billions leaving us with about 4 billion to spend on a few Mediums, if we want that I know I do, and the rest to help rebuild what we've lost in terms of infrastructure.
Pretty much exactly the opposite of what I want. Most definitely not a Talos at all.

>>638578
>Especially AC fleet, which is mostly made of salvage IIRC.
You bought many, many new attack cruisers as part of building up your forces in the relay. The majority were EC-K or Dusk II but some are newer model Vengeance types.

Yes, some units had more ships they'd salvaged while out raiding against Bonrah's allies. The older ones could be sold off like you suggested, or put in reserve and mothballed in case of future losses.

>>638596
>How much does the special FTL system cost
Damn, I didn't put the price on the wiki.
Let's see, FTL systems are the most expensive parts of a ship usually. This one is quite a bit more powerful than most so I'd say a billion just for the FTL

>and how quickly would it pay for itself using it to tow super heavies to our shipyards for repairs and asteroids for materials?
Your RSS teams already in the relay can probably move them, they just need time to get equipment rigged to jump them. Or get help from Forbearance and the Sam Bellamy.

The Mega class ships are too long for a Ceres asteroid Tug to fully encompass them with its drive field. Heavy Cruisers and Carriers would be super easy for it though.
If they had to tow a dozen heavy cruisers or more back to yards for repairs that would probably pay for it.

Talos is great but it is a proper fleet carrier, with price tag to match. Unless we are getting into another large-scale fleet engagement relatively soon (unlikely, in my opinion), it is not really worth it.

C/B is interesting design, and probably can make do with lower quality crew, but it is too limited, especially since J-D doesn't field many A and A2 corvettes on offensive.

Ceres' upgraded design could be useful but we'll be better off buying new one from them once they are in production instead of repairing then refitting an old C/B Carrier.

Heavy Cruisers are not particularly impressive, so I'd prefer to skip them as well.

We probably should take 3 or 4 of better Mediums, plus 8 to 10 mixed wings to the tune of ~4 billions total then invest the rest into repaying debts and building infrastructure.

>>638650
If it isn't a spoiler, can we weaponize a cooling laser into freeze ray? Say, using an Ascendancy (UV Laser) as a base?

>>638711
Nah, lots of assault corvettes are easier on logistics.

>>638727
Assault corvettes are actually quite a hangar queens, due to lot of cutting-edge equipment and lack of redundancies, to the point where modern Attack Cruisers needs less cash and manpower in upkeep.

In any case, "mixed wing" here was meant as "corvettes, attack cruisers and maybe frigates, with precise percentage decided by our fleet people (AKA GM's fiat)."

>>638773
>Assault corvettes are actually quite a hangar queens, due to lot of cutting-edge equipment and lack of redundancies, to the point where modern Attack Cruisers needs less cash and manpower in upkeep.
Also massive up front costs. And I think the Hanger queen issues are getting fixed.