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>>92579565
>TL;DR Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA
>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." section
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8
>2e Rule Books, CORE RULES REVISION OUT NOW!
https://app.mediafire.com/us7vnek39dc6k
>3e Rules Doc (READY FOR MORE PLAYTESTS)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ZpHhEyUbjt-SCx2xuAd0lyh7Rs4J7rK5kHkljqykhk/
> Unit Spreadsheet - Currently outdated, requires an update
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rcleQtrT4Q0INiBW50-kq2ZXWJ-cjLOeVTLTJg_oX5E
>Unit Design Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0X89OdMPXJKQGm6kYcOABjhjE4NZER1fvmpDmDX1JA

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>>92579579
(I started writing up a section on Portugal based on the info posted in last thread in the Worldbook, it is not in this version yet, as many other updates, but it won't be long.)

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also, since I wasn't there
>>92574927
There are ~7000 years separating Atlan from its Mezoamerican origins, allowing it to completely develop its own culture and aesthetic. At least that's how I've always seen it. The jaks obviously aren't fully representative, and this is 100% something that I see but others may not, but for me Atlan is built around this image of the Immortals, which was suggested because it fit the "their armour fully hides their humanity" description. A huge brutal slab of titanium. I wasn't fully happy with some of the other images until I saw this one and it made the other fit (not the weapon however).

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REJECT MODERNITY
EMBRACE GORG

> 92574692
> also, thoughts on these rule changes?
Walk it off sounds like a better Tough, what do you think about it being an action that grants Tough to wounded units?
I don't get the point of Tough to be Tender, since it has to target friendlies. Is it just a graveyard mechanic? Or am I misreading that you have to remove any 3 models, starting with enemies?
I would put him as a Specialist at that level, yes. Perhaps with a Hero with the Trait to shift him to Elite instead?

>>92579565
>New format, yeah or nay?
I vote nay for now, but am open to discussion.

>>92579597
Oh, this is awesome, thanks, anon! I'm actually much more interested in the setting than the rules, so this is perfect.

A few tiny tips: reduce the font size, put spaces between paragraphs, use a serif typeface, put gray/black borders around the images.

>>92579885
>reduce the font size, put spaces between paragraphs, use a serif typeface, put gray/black borders around the images.
Thanks, I'll try that on the next update.

>>92579597
How many layers are there supposed to be? I mean, humanity just discovered that there is an underground world and few years later there are settlements on the 4th layer. I feel like that kind of kills the sense of wonder while exploring this world

>>92579885
>>92579873
So to be clear, sorry, I'm tired, the new format in question in the op would be the OP with the mediafire for 2e, the most current rulebook on the second post, and whatever is the most complete and comprehensive pdf of lore for the 3rd.

>>92580108
There are nine known layers (though only 2-6 have been reasonably explored) but there could theoretically be infinite ones.
It's been a bit over a decade since the surface first made contact, and humans have been down there for millennia already making weird cultures and having whorelock harems.
If you're worried about the extent of colonization that's only really present on the third layer, the one directly below the surface. Beyond that there aren't major settlements outside of the points of entry. Think of it like Heart of Darkness where yes, there may be Euros down in the far reaches but they're often cut off from communication and going slowly native/insane half the time.

>>92580108
9 (10).
We are the 2nd. So its 2 down on the 4th, but the thing is that Volcanists had a big help in settling Sicilia Terzia in the 4th. Sometimes you just gotta throw some folks into magma. Also, Entrances don't necessarily let you access all intervening Layers.
Otherwise the colonial push takes 4-6 years to truly take off, which seems to me to be realistic.

>>92579597
>I started writing up a section on Portugal based on the info posted in last thread
Nice. So glad that bit got in.

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what is the environment of the 4th layer like again? jungle, volcanoes, near the water, then mostly planes outside of that, right? like if the Caribbean was where the Black Sea is? Labyrinths could be an interesting thing to expand on. maybe i should reread house of leaves...
>>92579872
in the rule book, it says you need to be 5 away from an enemy to heal. if healing was stronger that would be fine, but it isnt so i dont think that should be a rule, also we didnt play with that rule in any of our games and it was fine. another proposal, change it so Medics dont use AP when healing and increase the cost of medkits to 2 silver. that second change im less sure of, but i think it would be worth testing.
>I don't get the point of Tough to be Tender, since it has to target friendlies
cut loses and proc Walk It Off. give risk to Abhor the Weak so it isnt a straight buff.
changes to changes:

Atlan Hospitalizer: Cost 8
Specialist, Medic
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy: 4, Strength 6, Discipline 7, Evasion 6, Labor 5, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 1, Body 1, Head 1
Armor: 05T4T

Walk It Off : [1 AP] this model may target a friendly model adjacent to it as it would be removed from the game. That model remains in play until the end of the turn, at which point it is removed as if it has been killed by the opponent.

Tough To Be Tender: At the start of the turn, Remove all Friendly Adjacent Models with a Grievous wound from the game.

Abhor The Weak : Friendly Models Adjacent to Atlan Hospitalizer, gain +1 Accuracy on Melee Attacks against Wounded Enemies.

Hypocritic Oath : This model cannot Heal Slaves or Non-Atlan models. If this Model fails a Heal Action inflict 1 Graze Wound on the target.

>>92580134
>So to be clear, sorry, I'm tired, the new format in question in the op would be the OP with the mediafire for 2e, the most current rulebook on the second post, and whatever is the most complete and comprehensive pdf of lore for the 3rd.
A new OP seems like a good idea honestly. Its about time.

>>92580920
4th Layer is deserts and steppes with some temperate areas, you're probably thinking of the 3rd.

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>>92580134
i dont like OP being 3 posts and i think 1e should be posted, but other than that i think its fine.

>>92581326
The calendar isn't the best choice imo, I think Mayan plumage would work better.

>>92581432
Good point

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>>92581326
dont love the abs or face cover. very much like the saur hide, puffy sleeves, and how the shoulders use multiple plates. instead of the calendar, you could have a Minoan crest using Mayan colored plumage and Saur horn/tusk. its really cool to get OC like this.
also,
>Bullsaur pauldron
>Bull
>Bull of Minos

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The Oceania map is going well. I assume that the dutch's lands are the same as in real history?

Also, if Iceland is owned by the british in this setting, is Greenland british as well?

how does Terror work again?

>>92582707
The lore doc says Greeland became devoid of life around the time the Paris sunk and nobody who dared venture there returned, except the UR-CA-pilled Whalers. I must have missed any discussion we've had on that, but, while not that big of a deal, I'm sligthly concerned the existence of Doggerland makes this concept redundant.
If not that, it's either British, still Danish, or maybe the Danes,devastated by their back-to-back wars with Britain and Prussia, could sell it to the U.S. to raise some emergency funds with an added bonus of trolling Britain.

>>92582828
>The danish selling Greenland's remains to the US.

That would make much sense. Sell whatever is left of Greenland to the americans, and let them sort out the mess. The americans couldn't say no due to their Monroe Doctrine.

>>92582628
Yeah, but even in real history the Dutch didn't control some Indonesian regions until the 20th century and with the ongoing Lemurian subversion some local states are bound to prove even more resilient. Bali is an obvious candidate for a Lemurian-adjacent realm.

Also, is the lore bit of Doggerland's island rising from the deep still valid? If so, we need to add it to the maps.

Any other addition of that sort to the maps?

>>92581326
Magnificent.

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>>92583300
Yeah, we have a whole scenario for a Doggerland game. You could use the Dogger Bank for the rough shape.

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>>92583459
Something like this?

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>>92583540

>>92583540
Looks good to me.

>>92583540
I was gonna say keep it small, some anons took issue with having it a large plot of land like >>92583582
but this works great.
Insane work with the maps, once they are finished they will be added to the World Book section on the 2nd 100%.

>>92580920
>in the rule book, it says you need to be 5 away from an enemy to heal. if healing was stronger that would be fine, but it isnt so i dont think that should be a rule, also we didnt play with that rule in any of our games and it was fine.
True, I should remove most instances of those "with no enemies with 5" it just creates more obstacles to using the action, for little gain.
Let me stew on the Hospitalier a bit, but I think its fine really.
>>92582767
>how does Terror work again?
The Special Rule? Simple, if the model with it is within 3 of an non-immune to Morale enemy model at the end of the turn, add 1 Dread.

>>92583672
Thanks. Right now I'm preparing the world map to have something more complete than the continental ones.

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also, trying something new with the maps.
In this everything beside the sandy starting areas and the 3 caves is meant to be a wall, and would require heavy Excavation.
Possibly very skewed against Colonials.

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Ok, so the file for the world map is done. All there's left now is decide the borders of Asia, and it's just a matter of filling in the gaps. Plus adding any other info needed.

>>92584653
Also, any mistake or bit I've forgotten to add/modify, please tell me so I can fix it.

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>>92581326

>>92584503
Do both players know where the caves are at start?

>>92584653
IIRC Brits still have some colonial possesions on Sri Lanka and far east India, right?

>>92579597
Speaking of that, I think with the Scramble for Africa on hold the scenario has some problems. From what I understand, the idea was to speedrun the events leading up to the Portuguese Revolution, but I don't think the early push for Cape-Cairo works in this timeline, nor is it really necesarry.
With the general surge of religious fanaticism caused by the Duosicilian revolution, the Sinking, the Avignon-Vienna schism etc., especially so in the neighbouring Spain, the stage is already set. The Sebastianists can appear completely organically within the already existing chain of events. And I'd say the ruling Braganza branch would much rather roll with it than wait for the zealots to turn to the current Miguelist pretender.

>>92584797
Yes.

>>92584653
I think the big things to figure out would be India and China. The Taiping are in charge, but I think we've mentioned a Qing exile state in Manchuria, maybe propped up by the Russians and Japanese. Also need to decide if Japan's entered above-ground colonialism early in Korea and Taiwan.

India's another issue altogether since it was held together by the British and only has its modern borders because the Brits said so. Is it an entirely Lemurian state or multiple client states all working together? Also I think we mentioned something about a Gurkha insurgency, not sure if that would translate to its own state.

>>92584868
isnt it more of a Mu thing to have colonies?

>>92584909
Lemuria has a sphere of influence.
>>92584868
I vote for Princely state borders since they're already around.

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>>92584868
This is how I envisioned it, but I'm by no means an expert.
The 1857 rebels used Bahadur Shah II as their unifying figurehead, so in the aftermath of the rebellion and aided by their Lemurian benefactors they ended up essentially restoring the Mughal Empire, though internally it consists of autonomous states.
Being in his 80s already, he swiflty kicks the bucket and is succeeded by Mirza Mughal. The new emperor crowns himself Akbar III, revives the Din-I Ilahi in an attempt to unite his realm and placate his non-Muslim subjects and syncretizes it further with Lemurian mysticism. Many Muslims see it as a betrayal and now occasionally rise up in rebellions and take to the hills, but seeing as how the infidels can tell the future and they can't, they can't do much.
During the collapse of the British rule, Kahate of Kalat breaks away and seizes some lands in modern Pakistan, as does Afghanistan.
The British retain Sri Lanka due to their naval superiority and manage to hold onto Bengal. This becomes somewhat easier as they start playing on the Muslim anitpathy to the Neo-Mughal heresy and sorcery.
Nepal uses the opportunity to elongate into India and remains pro-British.

>>92585243
One wonders how Mecca is faring what with all the husks and stuff.
Hajj must be a fucking wild ride for flesh-havers.

>>92585403
Hejaz likely broke away, so it shouldn't be a problem, especially with independent Egypt and the canal up and running. There's also supposed to be a separate unhusked Ottoman government and there's really nowhere to place it but Mesopotamia and parts of Syria. With Qajar Iran all these could form some kind of united Islamic front trying to keep the Husks at bay. The main difference for Mecca would be that a good chunk of pilgrims now also go to the frontlines after their visit.

>>92584778
Yes, there is no fog of war mechanic.

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New proposal for the Amazon.
I had missed initially she was supposed to be a model you can only take 1 off, so here we go, made here a Specialist accordingly. Fairly strong combat model which you can keep close to boost your survivability. The Saur thing is just flavor.
Thinking I might give her Quick Shot [Thrown Weapons] as well.

>>92586180
Does it work on the Khan's shadowsaur?

On the topic of Armour, how covered is the New Mu Phalanxman? The unit doc describes them as having armour in addition to their shields but the Rules and unit art have them as unarmoured.
The Jak looks like the Black Guard
https://fireforge-games.com/armies-of-islam/1076-black-guard.html
But I personally imagine them looking like Hannibal's Veterans but with only Carthaginian gear:
https://www.victrixlimited.com/en-us/collections/carthaginians/products/warriors-of-carthage-1?variant=32093029138531

>>92586377
Ah!
I should probably specify the saurs.

>Wyrm: (- Silver) (NEUTRAL NPC 7 HEX MODEL)
Deep, Beast
AP: 4
Movement: 6
Accuracy: 6
Strength: 8
Discipline: 8
Evasion: 7
Labour: 5
Awareness: 6

>Health:
2 box head
5 box body
3 box limbs
>Armour:
2 across the board.

>General Rules:
Deadly [Needle-Teeth], Amphibious, Nimble, Hatred[Morlocks], Tight Squeeze, Ignores Obscurity (Backport to that one all Olms)
-Tight Squeeze: (1 AP) This model may test Evasion to treat Wall hexes as difficult terrain for the remainder of the turn. If this model finishes a turn in a wall hex it must succeed on another tight squeeze test next turn to be able to move out of it.
>Special Rules:
-Long Coils: (1 AP)
This model begins play one as one hex. It can spend movement points to uncoil, up to a length of 15 hexes. (This model is a 7 hex unit so each uncoil creates 3 new hexes on one side. It needs to be in a line you can’t make an Olm-Blob. The line can curve.) These hexes must be connected, anything that moves one moves the rest of them. This model gains Backstab [Needle-Teeth] if it has used Long Coils this turn or it it has at least three hexes touching a target model.
-Rushdown (4 AP)
Move this unit up to 12 hexes. It may pass over enemy units without [vantage point] in this time. Any unit passed over must make an evasion save to be moved to the side of the Wyrm or take one [/] for every wyrm hex that passes over it. Any unit that ends its turn under the Wyrm takes an additional [x] and is moved to the side of the Wyrm.

>Equipment
This model comes equipped with Needle-Teeth, it may only be equipped with those.
-Needle-Teeth: (Melee)
Acc: 0
Eva: 0
Pen: 4
Threshold: 7
Weak/Strong: [X/]/[Black]
Cost: Free

>Recruitment
This model is a beast, you don’t recruit it without special rules.
>COMMENTARY:
to follow.

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>>92587428
This is a freight train. It slides out of a wall hex where you weren’t expecting it, rushes across the board and snaps up half a dozen men, and then tramples all your hired hands on the way out. It’s a boss monster like the Terrorsaur or the Megagorilla. Where those are built on durability and fear this one is built on springing out from a corner, uncoiling, and then moving really fast into melee. It may need a little tweaking though. Imagine picrel but there’s a small British man in front of it cowering as it rears up.
Did you know that actual Olms were sometimes washed up out of the caves and people thought they were infant dragons? Oh how right they were.

The Boers would be an interesting thing to look at to fill out more of Africa's currently missing lore.

In fact, fuck it, I fully agree that our core faction list is right thorough.

So, a proposal! Expedition's first expansion pack:
Expedition: Africa Rising! Or something like that. Treated as separate from the core game so we don't get into muddied faction bloat.

Tons of games do it. I think "Expansion packs" would be a good way to handle the less-significant parts of lore that don't quite fit in the main game.

>>92581326
I've always imagined Atlan 'fashion' as a combination between harsh, intimidating straight lines and angles + something like wrought iron filigree.

>>92589498
>>92589504
Speaking of Africa, are we putting Polish in there as part of some Voodoo West African confederation / colony / whatever? Some Zanzibarski Land. I like the ideas from the previous thread.

>>92589504
Expedition! Heart of Darkness? I'd support that. We should start stealing from more of Conrad in general, the port of Sulaco is somewhere in South America. In fact, I'll add him to the recommended reading on the lore doc.

>>92589526
>Speaking of Africa, are we putting Polish in there
I think that whole Poland stuff was a great set of concepts, and "Why is Poland in the Africa expansion?" is just strange enough to both pique interest and fit right into the setting.

And yeah the Voodoo stuff with teleporting zonbi pigeon post would fit right in too.

We can also bring back Ethiopia for "Expedition: Ancestors of Africa", now that it won't be contributing to core faction bloat.

>>92589526
I really like the idea of a Polsih Regiment that disobeyed Napoleon's order to subjugate Haiti, adopts the local voodoo practices, then when things start popping off in Poland in the current setting they're forced underground back into Napoleon's waiting arms. Could be a nice flavourful unit for L'Ombre?

>>92589632
I don't think they'd go back to Napoleon honestly, I personally would prefer them to become their own things.

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>>92589504
> anons are developing an expansion for the game I made (not to hog credit its a group project but 2e is my baby nonetheless)
This makes my day like you wouldn't believe. You guys are the absolute best folks.

>>92589646
Hog all the credit you want, mate. Early development and lore progress was one thing, but as far as rules go, if you carried 2e its all yours.

>>92587428
Awesome.
How should we go about including these, in the Merc book or their own minor faction book?

On the topic of "Expansion packs", I think that's actually a titanically useful idea for cleaning up the game as a whole.

We could honestly even part out Taiping/Satsuma into an Asian expansion and start bringing in India, central Asia and even the Tsardom back with that one. Dodges bloat, gets everything even more organised AND lets us bring in all the weird fringe factions from outside Europe proper.

>>92589683
Yup, even subterranean factions are more or less much divided into regions:
Atlans - Americas
Atlantis - Europe and Africa
Lemuria - South Asia, Oceania
Mu - Eastern Asia, Oceania, Americas
It's not set in stone, like Lemuria could have some influence in Africa too but it should help to focus and flesh out these factions.

We still should be careful with adding too much stuff but organizing everything into "region expansions" is a good idea.

>>92589759
>We still should be careful with adding too much stuff but organizing everything into "region expansions" is a good idea.
It also helps the initial onboarding to be less daunting.
If the entire game is just one titanic monolith of a tome, its pretty intimidating. But, if its neatly parsed into a few dozen pages of "Core" plus optional expansions, that'd be far easier to get into for new people methinks.

>>92589765
>If the entire game is just one titanic monolith of a tome, its pretty intimidating. But, if its neatly parsed into a few dozen pages of "Core" plus optional expansions, that'd be far easier to get into for new people methinks.

As someone who wrote a great deal of lore for Giantstep, I would advise caution when adding a lot of lore at once. We did that with Giantstep, adding too much lore too quickly and it scared most of the newcomers away, as it became too daunting and difficult to get into. This setting is considerably more organized from the get go, but even so, I'd advice to better set in stone the basics rather than expanding. Maybe going continent to continent, starting with Europe as it's the one most talked about.

>>92589791
>As someone who wrote a great deal of lore for Giantstep, I would advise caution when adding a lot of lore at once. We did that with Giantstep, adding too much lore too quickly and it scared most of the newcomers away,
Aye, I was there too and fully agree. I think parsing things out into a tight, simple core lore/rulebook plus expansions would do great work toward making the setting more palatable.

>>92589656
yeah i agree, 2e is 2e anons.
>>92589765
yeah, its a really great idea. what should be core?
France, Britain, America, Italy? Atlan, Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis? Lost Men and La Ombra ofcourse. Neanderthal City States, Sky People, Whalers?

>>92589819
>France, Britain, America, Italy? Atlan, Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis?

The core Agarthan factions are absolutely Atlan, Lemuria, Mu and Atlantis. Surface ones are a bit more diverse.

France, Britain and Italy are great starter picks though.
Its possible that America becomes the spearhead of a "The West!" expansion pack. We'd have to decide on that.

>>92589819
>France, Britain, America, Italy? Atlan, Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis? Lost Men and La Ombra ofcourse.
This is pretty much already the core by the virtue of having shit.
>Sky People
They are some of the oldest faction concepts but need development, so I'd say they are the eventual Agarthan expansion that also fleshes out air combat mechanics.
>Neanderthal City States,
>Whalers
These have always been minors represented as mercs and the UR-CA sponsor.
>Tsardom, Austria-Hungary, Japan (as in, not just Satsuma)
Were already planned as later "5e" colonial core additions. Germany also seems like a no-brainer here.
>Husked Ottomans
>Taiping
They have units, mechanics and everything. Taiping I'm pretty sure weren't supposed to be a major colonial faction, though they can send an expedition or two regardless. The thing about them is that we mulled over the idea of some kind of China-centered Asian expansion that features large-scale Surface battles, with Taiping as the centerpiece.
Same could work for the Ottomans, since you could absolutely make the Second Oriental Crisis into a separate large-scale Surface game mode. Players could be the Balkan minors and the Middle Eastern rebel factions trying to cajole the Great Powers for support and working with or against the other rebel factions in pursuit of your own goals. Or the involved Great Powers themselves. And, of course, the Ottomans fighting against all of their neighbours and trying to manage your limited resources.

>>92589662
Olm-Men are mercs, Olm-Steeds and Wyrms are beasts (so core I guess?), Big Olms are Napoleon boys and Olm Herder will be Atlan/Atlantis.

>>92589837
I think that France, Brits, Atlantis, Mu, and Lemuria are the corest of the core factions by dint of 1e.
By that logic gorgs are also a core faction and to that I say yes.

>>92589759
>>92589837
I don't see the point of moving already released factions to expansions, seems to me the whole advantage would be to allow for isolated design and perhaps smaller rosters, no?
There could be a sense in doing a specific expansion for vehicles and larger mechanical units across all factions however.

>>92590315
>I don't see the point of moving already released factions to expansions
How can you not see the point, when the point was just clearly enumerated?
>Less daunting for new players, to have things parsed into their own expansions.
>Better organisation going into the future.
>Easier management of lore/stories/etc. thanks to said better organisation.
>Allows for fringe factions to enter the fray without introducing core faction bloat.

>There could be a sense in doing a specific expansion for vehicles and larger mechanical units across all factions however.
I think I would prefer expansions to be more in the realm of lore/faction expansions than mechanical expansions.
If we think of new mechanics, perhaps those can be introduced in a Campaign setting, where they are appropriate to that campaign?

>>92590359
>How can you not see the point, when the point was just clearly enumerated?
For new faction and new lore sure, it makes sense, but if the point is to allow for more development then why clog it with preexisting content is what I mean?

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I'm looking forward to African expansion

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>>92590315
yes i agree. save Ottomans and Taiping, as they are more surfaced focused and would go to the same Expansion. the core of EXPEDITION: AGARTHA DESCENT: Scramble to the Center of the Earth is adventuring into Agartha, its litterly the games middle name.
>if the point is to allow for more development then why clog it with preexisting content is what I mean?
gives a starting point, see pic rel. frees up core. connects the expansion to the core. if they make it feel clogged we can always take them out.
>>92590359
>introduced in a Campaign setting
Campaigns are an expansion of sorts.
>>92590025
>France, Britain, America, Italy? Atlan, Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis?, Lost Men and La Ombra.
so, Atlan clean up and General Rules clean up are the last major things on the docket then?
>Mercs
i guess what i meant was if Mercs, or some Mercs, would be core. while i do like keeping things tight, i think they bring much needed color to the cheeks.
also, i think there was at some point talk of moving some Morlocks over to the Merc book, what are the thoughts on that now?

Core: Antantis, Britain, France, Italy, Austria, Ottomans
Maybe Prussia since it's around the Franco-Prussian war? They should be interested in Doggerland too.
6 factions sound reasonable, if it goes smooth enough then we can add one or two more. I think working on one or two underground nation per region, just like >>92589759 will help expand on their history more, so for now let's focus on Atlantis.


>>92590315
Think of it less as an expansion and more like a region focus. We finish up one region, go to make another one etc. It's going to be easier to read than having French, Americans and Chinese next to each other in the lore book.
But no one will stop you from using Taipei if they are already playable.

>>92590452
>as they are more surfaced focused and would go to the same Expansion.
Ah! That makes a lot of sense, thank you.
>>92590452
>so, Atlan clean up and General Rules clean up are the last major things on the docket then?
I absolutely wanna expand the cleanup to at least Altan, Lemuria, Mu and Italy. I'll get on with Mercs in the next few days, and then we can switch to whichever one of those you guys feel inspired by.
>>92590452
>i guess what i meant was if Mercs, or some Mercs, would be core.
Agreed, they are made for it.
>Morlocks
Someone suggested giving them their own minor faction book...? Whatever feels the easiest to parse I guess.

>>92590509
If we are speaking of regional lore books, I'm 100% there with you. I thought you meant reshaping all the rulebooks for 2e around continent, for example, which lowers the number of books, sure, but just makes them bigger, so it doesn't help. I'm sorry this is the tail end of my work shift so I'm not at my best.

>>92590393
>but if the point is to allow for more development then why clog it with preexisting content is what I mean?
Because having a major faction to spearhead the expansion would be quite helpful.

And also, making sure the factions each region are bundled together makes things easier to parse.

Fuck it, I'm down to actually split up the books well and good.

My vote for "Agartha Core" would be France, Britain, Mu, Lemuria, Atlan, Atlantis.

Pack 1 would be a core Surface faction expansion with all the other European ones like Italy + Ottomans, plus Hyperborea as its "above"

Then, one for Asia and one for Africa, and maybe also one for the Americas. It splits things up quite nicely, I think.

>>92590547
>If we are speaking of regional lore books, I'm 100% there with you. I thought you meant reshaping all the rulebooks for 2e around continent, for example, which lowers the number of books, sure, but just makes them bigger, so it doesn't help. I'm sorry this is the tail end of my work shift so I'm not at my best.
All good mate.
I would suggest separate lore books at least, but is perfectly reasonable for when we go knuckling down and refining things for the Units themselves to split up between the Core and Expansions too.

>>92590413
GBEMI, GET THE ZONBIS

>>92590655
>Fuck it, I'm down to actually split up the books well and good.
I'll have to look into a way to do the profiles another way, otherwise the core roster would be over a 100 pages of profiles alone. But sure this can be done.

>>92590801
>I'll have to look into a way to do the profiles another way, otherwise the core roster would be over a 100 pages of profiles alone. But sure this can be done.
Aye, the profiles are currently one page each right? Almost certainly we could find a way to compact that down, maybe into "Cards" of sorts and get four units per page or so.
One big contributor would probably be cleaning up and codifying unit ability wording standards.

>>92590838
>Aye, the profiles are currently one page each right?
Yes.
>maybe into "Cards"
I'll look into that, but I was thinking even further, a line stat might allow me to fit most class (Characters/Specialists/Followers) together, Leaders maybe not.
>be cleaning up and codifying unit ability wording standards.
Already on its way with the cleanup and the intro of Nimble, Quick Shot, but I could push it further.

>>92590874
>I'll look into that, but I was thinking even further, a line stat might allow me to fit most class (Characters/Specialists/Followers) together, Leaders maybe not.
Sounds pretty fine, Leaders are a perfect thing to have separated into their own personal sections.

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Burdened Whaler: Cost 5
Character, Slave, Soldier
AP: 1
Movement 2, Accuracy: 6, Strength 7, Discipline 6, Evasion 2, Labor 5, Awareness 4
Health: Limbs 2, Body 2,
Armor: 35T0
[Whalur 1] [Tough]

Anchor Armor: This unit is immune to attacks from behind and may not take Labor Actions as long as it has Armor.

Drop Anchor: [1 AP] for the rest of game lose all Armor. While you have no Armor: this Model may not move; +1 AP; +1 Range to Titanium Harpoon.
Raise Anchor: [2 AP] take 1 Graze wound to the first available location. Regain all lost Armor.

Titanium Harpoon:
Range 3, Pen 4, Reload 0, (X) / (B)
*Models hit with Titanium Harpoon may not take Move or Charge Action until it is Reloaded or this Model is removed from the game. Reload Costs +1 AP for every Hex the target Model, or if failed the target Hex, is away from this Model.

[Whalur] +x Acc against Deep, Beast, and Mounted Models. -x Acc against Colonial Models.

Must and can only take Titanium Harpoon for a weapon

>comments
came from the pike in the Atlan weapons and the fishermen in Angle's Egg. idea is that a Whaler got sick of dealing with sky people (language barrier) and sick of cloudellaeafints sniping his catches, but also didnt want to go home, so he went deeper. he heard about how the fifth layer is an ocean and was hoping to find prime hunting grounds there. along the way his company encountered some Atlans who, after seeing their skill with guns and throwing weapons, enslaved them. he wasnt meant to be carrying around a big anchor at first, i changed it because Drop Anchor/Raise Anchor being literal made me laugh, and now i worry its too cartoony.

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Updated the european map to add the french alregian territories.

By the way, I've found the pitch for Tesla being an ex-Arc Ranger multi-faction unit on the archive and, uuuh, can we not? I much prefer the idea we've had for him to be the Austro-Hungarian counterpart to Edison. It's not like the Austrians have that much cool shit planned at the moment and he was ONE thing they've had.
Not to mention that he is not even 30 and woud work better as a later addition. A young upstart,suddenly threatening the Wizard's (and thus America's) place as the world leader in the field of electrical engineering with his heretical alternate currents.

>>92592228
i pitched that idea. i agree. what do you think about the mechanics?

>>92592228
>>92592307
NTA but let's not add anything wild like mechs, vehicles and shit. Expensive and rare prototype units are ok (railgun or something) but I would rather preserve as much of the aesthetics and tech from 1870's as we can.

>>92592307
I liked the idea of Remote Receivers and playing around with them to utilize things like Remote Control and Telecom, and like someone else said, potentially using Telecom for indirect attacks, maybe channeling direct electrical attacks or arc attacks triggered by Living Dynamo through the units with receivers. I think that could work as his main thing.
Living Dynamo itself might be too strong, so maybe the Arc Attacks shouldn't cancel enemy attacks. Getting potential free damage on your attackers is already good.

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I've been thinking of possible units/characters for minor factions, and I think Isaac Peral could be interesting.

Isaac Peral was a spanish navyman who fought in the third carlist war and in the ten years war in Cuba, and created the first military-grade submarine, the "Peral".

Not sure how could be fit with agarthan lore, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

>>92589632
Good flavor option if you want to play them with The Old Guard rules but having them as a faction in, let's say, Africa gives us opportunity to make some unique units for them with voodoo-catholic chaplains or something in the future.
I imagine them settling with other fugitive and exiled Poles in West Africa, maybe they want to rebuild and are waiting for an opportunity to go back to Poland. Maybe they are organizing expeditions underground to find a way there. Poles were always pretty stubborn, they had quite a few uprisings. Or maybe their reasons are more related to voodoo and lwa. Whatever goes, faction like this seems like a lot of fun.
And Zanzibarski Land sounds funny, I wouldn't mind few MGS memes.

>>92592847
>channeling direct electrical attacks or arc attacks triggered by Living Dynamo through the units with receivers
Now that's cool. Something that requires positioning and encourages different playstyle is welcomed

>>92591148
>too cartoony
A small anchor perhaps?
I do like calling them Whal-URs though, nice touch.

I've been thinking. When the Doggerland island rose from thecdeep, did it cause a great earthquake or tsunami?

>>92594155
It would have been an antitsunami

>>92594171
What do you mean?

>>92592991
Always great to get through lines between Europe and the Americas, definitely seems like someone who should be noted down.
But, sadly, nobody plays on aquatic maps so even though submarines are cool, they won't be meta :(

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>>92594176
Like a tsunami... but backward.
All water ripped from the land.
Arable soil turned to dust and hardpan.

>>92594176
all the water rises up briefly and then sinks down big as opposed to all the water sinking briefly and rising up big.

>>92594189
>>92594188
But what about the areas at the other side of the sea? Wouldn't the overflowing water create a wave that would crash against England, Belgium or the Netherlands? Or would it be too small for any concern?

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>>92592518
We've had the armoured traction engine since the start, and the Agarthan factions have stuff like the Titanium Golem and Flesh Construct. I don't see an issue adding stuff like the Landsknechts so long as they're eye-wateringly expensive and prone to breakdown. They're not supposed to be mass produced, more like Germany is coping with being left out of any colonies of their own on top of someone leaking the IRL 20th century to them.

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>>92594568
>I don't see an issue adding stuff like the Landsknechts so long as they're eye-wateringly expensive and prone to breakdown.
Yeah, its not like they are likely to overtake the setting if they remain something very niche.
Here's an attempt at compacting the profiles as much as possible.
Gotta add cost, and equipment in some fashion.

>>92594388
i dont know. why didnt paris turn to dust on the way down? i feel comfortable explaining such things with a good and simple "way she goes". isnt really important, is it?
>>92594020
>Whal-URs
thank you.
>A small anchor perhaps?
maybe. maybe its a stylized hook at the end of the rope.
how heavy is Titanium? how easy is it to shape? ive been thinking, maybe Titanium is so ridiculously heavy that no one could wear armor made from it, however it is fairly easily workable at high heat. instead of pure titanium armor, their armor is normal armor coated with Titanium or a Titanium alloy. i imagine Titanium is a glass like substance. thoughts?

ideas for Atlan Hero Traits:
Spare Your Heart: At the end of turn, you may chose 1 Shaken or Deeply but not Grievously Wounded Friendly Model and move it to your Reserve.

No Means No: When a Parley Action targeting this Model fails, if able, immediately take a free Charge Action.

>Brick In The Wall: When this Model is removed from game, place 1 Wall on the Hex it last was on, then place 2 Walls adjacent to the first Wall. (1 Silver)

>Titanium Flask: [1LP] for this turn, +1 AP, Accuracy, and Awareness, -1 all other Stats, all Prophecies target this Model. (2 Silver)

>“Bleeds Gray”: When a location with no Titanium suffers a wound from a Crit, after resolving the Attack, Gain Titanium on the Crit location. (1 Silver)

Alright, alright I know we have a lot to consider as of late, but may I dare to make one more suggestion?
Please, just hear me out...

Titanium
Balls

damn i really fucked up that formatting. way she goes...
for the Heros i was thinking War Master and Crystal Iconodule. i dont need to explain the first one. the second one comes from mine splitting up Crystal Mystic into two units and Iconoclast into 3. Crystal Iconodules are patrons of art and war and are the ones responsible for adapting outside tech seamlessly into Atlan culture, they are the only real source of innovation in the nation and they regarded and strange and even degenerate by some for it,. for the longest time, their only half heatedly deniable necessity and their clear feelings of patriotism Atlan and superiority are the primary things that kept them from the chopping block; these days they are more divisive but also more secure thanks to strong ties to Baron Phosphorous. thoughts?

Crystal Iconodule: Cost: 7
Hero, Elite, Engineer,
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy 5, Strength 5, Discipline 5, Evasion 5, Labor 5, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 1, Body 2, Head 1
Armor: 3T6T3T
[Tough]

Heavy Metal: When this Model suffers a Crit, Fire, Electrical, or Poison to a Location with no Titanium, you may pay 3 Silver to immediately check Awareness. if Successful, check the Heavy Metal Table and immediately apply the result to the Hit location.
When this Model dies, place a Rare Ore Mineral Vein on the Hex it died on. (8 Silver)

Glass Eyes: [3 AP] target a Fresh Mineral Vein Within 4 and LOS and check the Random Mineral Table adding +1 to the roll; when the Target Mineral Vein is first Excavated, the Ore found is the one determined by this roll. if Ore is not Titanium, you may check Labor to ignore the result of this action.

War Master: Cost: 8
Hero, Charter, Icon
AP: 3
Movement 2, Accuracy 6, Strength 5, Discipline 6, Evasion 4, Labor 4, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 2, Body 1,
Armor: 3T4T2T
[Dogged]

Run That Body Down: When this unit would become Panicked, instead this and all Soldier Models have -1 to a minimum of 2 in all stats and become Frenzied.

>>92595094
I'd prefer it if you kept the large profiles in the books and had the compacted ones as a glossary in the end, that way experienced players can reference them and brainlets like me can look at the big ones.

>>92595419
these may be too good and or have too much bullshit going on.
Frenzy is mentioned in the current Titanium King profile, but as far as i can tell it isnt defined anywhere. i suggest:
Frenzy: While a model is Frenzied it gains +1 to all stats other than discipline and may only take Charge, Melee, and Move actions and must use all its AP in one Activation. When a model becomes Frenzied it stays Frenzied until the end of turn, at which point it loses all AP and does not restore AP at the start of the next turn. Frenzied Units do not roll defensive rolls and ignore all non-crit rolls against them. if a Frenzied unit suffers a Crit, the attempted action is done twice.

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Got some spare leftover bits so here's a mock-up of Atlan or Atlantean.
Stormcast base, helmet is from a Plague Marine, crest from Slaneeshi riders I think, shield is from Stormcast Annihilators.
I won't be making more, this one is just a concept but Stormcasts look suitable enough for some Atlantean golem / construct, they just need a cool head

>>92595419
Kind of like a buffed Toltaikos? I think Hero cancels Elite out since IIRC Heros are one only. Their rules don't really reflect the lore they're written one for, more of a mine foreman unit than a tech nabber.
Mining units are based though.

>>92595482
Think you'll try painting it? If you do the kilt-thing as saur scales and really lean into the plumes I bet it would look GLORIOUS.
Already looks pretty good with the sun-shield and such though.

>>92595439
Yeah, I'm thinking about the same, I would probably release regular old profiles anyways, these would be for any books where you can't realistically put 100+ long profiles.

>>92595419
i should sleep... and armor stats should be swapped.
>Hero cancels Elite
thats good. think youre right.
>Toltaikos
i dont see that in any of the books. what does it do? where is it?
>more of a mine foreman unit than a tech nabber.
they arnt really meant to be a "tech nabber", more like the Atlan version of an alchemist/intellectual, a tech adapter and problem solver. the tech nabber will be the Iconoclast which i think would also work best as a Merc. one big aspect is experimenting with materials other than Titanium (i imagine this how Baron got his glow). the chart entry for Crystal Mystic said about "powered titanium sharpens the mind" and i figure the Iconodules what to figure out what the other stuff does. being a hero, i think, reflects some flexibility and hopefully their comparative adaptability will be more apparent once we get into items, weapons, and mounts. Glass Eyes is originally for the Wall Mystic which i have a rough version of but am reluctant to post as i feel ive been a bit pushy with Atlan lately. i do have ideas for an Atlan recon unit and the Immortals which i think i will post tomorrow as im so very tired.

>>92595517
I don't think I will, I just had some spare Stormcast body and thought that maybe someone else would pick up on that idea and make some more

Should Olm-Men have a rule that discourages them from direct attacks? And should Olm-Steeds/Wyrms have a rule that discourages them from attacking Olm-Men?

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>>92595669
They were posted in november and never added to the faction book for whatever reason. I'm not sure if they're still canon or not but here you go.
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90908926/

>>92595838
Olm-Men already have very low accuracy which I think is discouragement enough. As for the not-attacking rule, I'm worried that by adding the obscurity and the tight squeeze and the morlock hatred it's already a bit cluttered for what should be simple units.

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>>92595842
Seems like I fucked up saving to PDF, here's the one, will upload it right away.

>>92595870
sweet

>>92595482
Nice work anon! Don't have any stormcasts myself, but if I ever do It'll be for THE GLORY OF ATLAN!

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>Bad Olm: (16 Silver)
Deep, Elite
AP: 2
Movement: 3
Accuracy: 5
Strength: 6
Discipline: 6
Evasion: 7
Labour: 5
Awareness: 6

>Health:
1 Head, 2 body, 2 limbs.
>Armour:
2 across the board.

>General Rules:
Amphibious, Nimble, Hatred[Morlocks], Tight Squeeze, Ignores Obscurity
-Tight Squeeze: (1 AP) This model may test Evasion to treat Wall hexes as difficult terrain for the remainder of the turn. If this model finishes a turn in a wall hex it must succeed on another tight squeeze test next turn to be able to move out of it.
>Special Rules:
-Death Thrash: (1 AP)
If this model successfully hit an enemy with Needle-Teeth in this turn it may use this ability on the previous target so long as they are both still in melee. The enemy model must save evasion or take an additional [Black] wound to their body.

>Equipment
This model comes equipped with Needle-Teeth, it may additionally carry equipment or medieval melee weapons.
-Needle-Teeth: (Melee)
Acc: 0
Eva: 0
Pen: 4
Threshold: 7
Weak/Strong: [X/]/[Black]
Cost: Free

>Recruitment
This model may be recruited as a faction unit by La Ombre.
>COMMENTARY:
Pretty simple. I like the death thrash idea but it might be better for a different unit. I tried to balance it against the Lemurian Rockbreaker but it came out a bit stronger so I upped the cost. It’s beefier but without armour so that may balance it better. Also sorry for making a new La Ombre unit after the book has already come out. These guys are the melee beatstick of that faction.
I'm getting faster at writing these but I think quality may be suffering a little. After the last Olm-related unit I'll take a rest.

>>92597058
damn
that's one BAD olm

>>92595419
War Master has stats.
>>92595447
Frenzy was supposed to make the unit blindly attack the closest unit to them.

>>92595115
>i feel comfortable explaining such things with a good and simple "way she goes". isnt really important, is it?
Fair enough, I guess.

>>92592991
If we ever make campaign mode like in Mordheim or Necromunda then Peral submarine could be some sort of transport. It suits the French tech, they could get their submarines from Spaniards.

>>92594568
>>92595094
Looks ok, if they are very rare then I don't mind having a centerpiece

>>92599541
>if they are very rare
They are. There aren't thousands of mechanical stilts walking Fallen Paris every day, but you can spot a few, and those would be among the most common "weird science" machines in the setting. There's a few dirigibles, automobiles are being developed faster but they are still limited mostly to parisian police use. The Brits have figured out the usefulness of Traction Engines so they are probably going to have a few.
Its always going to be a centerpiece, a huge investment of your Chest which will warp your gameplay options around itself, and depending on the scenario you might really hurt yourself. A Traction Engine won't help much at running around exploring Ruins or opening Chests.
They may end up making a lot more thematic sense once we have a campaign system, since they are all transports.
>>92595131
>ideas for Atlan Hero Traits:
Thank you we sorely needed some, I realize the trait list is still the Brit one...
For Titanium Flask do you mean all Prophecies *must* target this model? or is there another piece missing?
>>92595419
> New Atlan Unit
Fuck it I'll start the Atlan clean up right now I guess, its a much smaller roster than Mercs so it won't take me much time, and it seems like its very much needed.
>Crystal Iconodule
Too low cost, given the potential to spawn an item worth more than 3x its cost, but let me think about it.
War Master already had stats but no Traits I think so let me see.

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A humble request so we can make a proper title page for the main doc.

Please doodle something you like in Expedition upon said image.
If possible, doodle in the color hexcode:
dcaa63

But other colors are acceptable. You do not need art skill, just have fun.

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Allow me to start.

Suggested Frenzy Rules:
While a model is Frenzied it gains +1 to all stats other than discipline and may only take Melee and Charge Actions and must use all its AP in one Activation.
When a model becomes Frenzied it stays Frenzied until the end of turn, at which point it loses all AP and does not restore AP at the start of the next turn.
>and this part I am not sure of
Frenzied Units do not roll defensive rolls and ignore all non-crit rolls against them. if a Frenzied unit suffers a Crit, the attempted action is done twice.
>>92595219
>Titanium Ball (4 Silver)
Use when Reloading a Musket, Flintlock, Cannon, Spring Cannon, Spring Gun, or Sling.
The next Attack from the weapon it was used on has +1 Acc and, if it Hits, it counts as a Melee Crit.
>>92595842
thank you twice.
what do you think about changing Toltaikos name to Iconophile, lowering its cost some, and restricting its Shaper of Metal to certain units only? (Titanium King, War Masters, Immortals, Arkodamode)
>>92599835
>heros
ive revised both and Hospitalizer, will post later.
>Prophecies *must* target this model
yes. do you think that is too much?

>>92601712
LEG FISH RUN, HE'S HOPPED UP ON THE STINK

Suggestions for items:
Terror Tonic: [Affixed] Models who suffer a Wound from this weapon must make a
Discipline Test at the end of the turn for every Location Wounded. For every Test Failed, the owner of the Model takes 1 Dread.
Weapons with Terror Tonic Affixed count as Light Source 2

Greek Fire: [Affixed] deals Fire Damage to target and All Models Adjacent to target.
Weapons with Greek Fire Affixed count as a Torch when needed.

Greek Fire Bomb: ???

Olm Tooth:
Use when Reloading a Spring Gun, Cross Bow, or Musket.
next Attack from this Weapon has +1 Pen and Checks Armor twice.
Atlantis, Merc

If Leopold II pursued his colonial interest in Agartha instead of Africa, does it mean that the Congo is not belgian?

>>92602434
>does it mean that the Congo is not belgian?
A great note honestly, very likely yes. A lot of Africa would remain less-than-colonised.

>>92602470
I mean, with the colonial powers distracted with Agartha (either in conquest or coming to terms with it all that madness existing), the african kingdoms would have a better chance to catch up and build up their strength, while at the same time minor powers that couldn't partake heavily in the scramble for Africa would be more free to do so (conquering Africa is probably cheaper and easier than conquering the underworld).

Do we have anything written for the african kingdoms?

>>92602498
>Do we have anything written for the african kingdoms?
Last thread we rather well discussed West Africa, in terms of a Vodou coalition, potentially in consort with New Orleans/Jamaican/Hatian pan-Africanists.
In the form of Bizango secret societies rising on the backs of Zonbification, soulless Zonbis being the only things which can safely travel through the spirit realm as they are without souls to destroy there. Thus, the West African empire would have a Zonbi-shaped pigeon post of sorts through the spirit realm.

Ethiopian kingdoms have been discussed in earlier threads, but were scrapped to avoid faction bloat. But, with the discussion of region-locked Expansion Packs, more potential to bring back previously scrapped factions is present now.

>>92602498
Nothing for now. We have Poles somewhere in West Africa, Boers should be noted, English should also have a colony since they use Zulu auxiliary (and Perry Miniatures have Zulu War models). That would be all white people but native Africans should also have something going on for them. We will focus on Africa after we finish Europe, for now we can just note that colonization is not as big of a part for Europeans as it would be irl at this time.

>>92602535
So the ideas for Africa, from what I've seen, are:

>Portugal
Expanding their domains to spread the word of the coming of Sebastian. Possibly launching a campaign into Morocco to reclaim the land where Sebastian first disappeared (maybe with spanish help, since the humiliation of the loss of Cuba is historically linked to africanism and african expansion?).

>Vodoo-Polish
The mix between voodoo cultists and polish soldiers in Haiti could lead to a return to Africa in some way (would need to justify a return to Africa instead of building a kingdom/republic in Haiti though).

>Belgian Congo
If the belgians/Leopold II do not have that much interest in the area, would they control all the Congo basin, or just a part? And how would they do it?

>British Africa
Much smaller than in real history, and probably in constant struggle with locals due to their focus on Agartha (or maybe the loss of India makes them focus on Africa much harder instead? Food for thought). There were mention of the boers and the zulus, but I can't remember where that was explained.

>Ethiopia
Italy failed to conquer Ethiopia, and considering it's the one proper african kingdom established, I can see it building up strength while everyone else is distracted. Industrial Ethiopia, perhaps?

>French Africa
Outside of Algeria and other bits, the french would not have their massive north-african empire. Other than that, not sure what would change.

>Undead Ottomans
Egypt under undead ottoman rule would affect the nearby territories. Maybe the sudanese kingdoms would be constantly pushing their borders.

>Liberia
The americans would still have Libieria as the weird experiment of the American Colonization Society to resettle old slaves. Not sure what could be done with this, though.

>>92602696
Also, would the germans try to expand in Africa much harder, since their expansion would not grind the gears of the other powers that much?

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What is the climate down there and how does it work?
What is the light and heat source?

I'm not a fan of hard worldbuilding and setting everything in stone but I'd like to have some overall understanding of what can I expect to see when delving deep underground.

>>92604345
>What is the climate down there and how does it work?
Depends on the layer and region. Currents from the Sacred Alph river carry higher climates down. The breathing caves rush disparate climates together. Where such things meet in special ways, jungles, swamps etc. can form

>What is the light and heat source?
The Inner Sun is a singular light source, but the glow it provides ss not natural. Instead of the light travelling in straight lines, it bends and can snake its way through the underground. In certain areas, shadows can be cast in different directions. Its mystic properties are yet to be understood.
Otherwise, flame, and your usual affair of bioluminescence.

>>92602696
>Belgian Congo
There could also be the possibility of Leopold doing the same shit that lead to the Paraguay Incident, forcing America and the surrounding colonials to intervene before he gets too far, possibly with conflicting interests in setting up a "safe" containment of Hyperborean artifacts or just outright preventing it from happening.

>Halfway to bump limit already
JUST GOTTA SAY
THREAD IS FUCKIN' BLAZING
LOVE YOU ALL KEEP IT UP

>>92604345
>What is the light and heat source?
Julius Verne's account of the Bjelke-Lidenbrocke Expedition directly compares the light underground to electrical light, noting that it seems remarkably bright and diffuse, but no apparent source. Agarthan scientists have theorised an "Inner Sun" but as no solid proof has emerged beyond tall tales from travellers, it remains a theory.

>>92604419
>There could also be the possibility of Leopold doing the same shit that lead to the Paraguay Incident
After that happened, I imagine some sort of international conference or reunion would happen to regulate the use of mysterious agarthan or hyperborean items. Just in case something like that happened again.

>>92604456
>Agarthan scientists have theorised an "Inner Sun" but as no solid proof has emerged beyond tall tales from traveller
THE JOURNALS OF MINOSTAEUS THE EXPLORER ARE NOT TALL TALES.

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>>92604419
>>92604456
maybe...

>>92604419
Hell, that could be a good idea for expansions. We write a mini-campaign, like the Congo intervention, and add a bunch of African/Minor colonial units that get involved. I think it would really help in introducing the extra lore and units instead of dumping them all in a single book.

Baron Phosphorous, who was not yet The Baron, was soaked in blood, sweat, and bathing in Atlantean tears when a letter came calling him back from the front to his father’s- The Baron’s- estate. Urgent the letter said, and urged him to take the first ship back; mater of life and death the letter said, and begged him to come home. The Baron was never long on words.
“At least he’s realized what motivates me,” he mumbled into his beer, “Shame he hasnt figured out how to lie”. A knock on his tent. “Are you retarded? Who the hell knocks on a tent? I wouldn't have known someone was there had I not seen you do it!”
“I take it I may enter”.
“God. Just get it over with”.
“Your father sent me to tell you he is dying”.
Phosphorous sat back in his chair, and took a small long sip of his drink before speaking a deep cold
“Oh”.
“Yes”.
“Drat! Seems I shall have to become Baron”.
“Which of course means you need to come home”.
“yes. yes, of course. How soon is he dying?”
“the Hospitalizes dont know yet, but they will come the Summer Gala. I reckon a week or two after then”. The glassy eyed man tried to pull up a chair, but fell right on his ass. Playing it off, he crossed his legs, put an arm behind his head, and reached for the pipe which he had forgotten he forgot.
“I could get you one”.
“I can last a few days”.
“I dont think I can, your ill news has spoiled my mood”. Unsure of what to say and sure of his fathers wisdom, the glassy eyed man said nothing. Phosphorus stood slowly, stopped, then left the tent quickly.

>thoughts?

>>92605168
>thoughts?

>Baron Phosphorous, who was not yet The Baron,
If he's not yet the baron why are you calling him Baron Phosphorous?

Suggestions for changes:

Arkodamode: Cost 6
Soldier, Icon
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy 6, Strength 7, Discipline 5, Evasion 6, Labor 4, Awareness 4
Health: Limbs 1, Body 1
Armor: 3T4T2
[Weapons Training: Titanium Pike]
Military Retirement: If this Model survives a battle without becoming panicked note it next to its profile, the second time it does this you may replace it with Spring Gunner or Atlan Reclaimer model in your Expedition roster.

May take Any Atlan Melee Weapon. 3 Materials, Torch, Lantern, Rations.

Neodamode Cost 4
Soldier, Slave
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy 5, Strength 6, Discipline 4, Evasion 5, Labor 3, Awareness 4
Health: Limb 1, Body 1
Armor: 344
Earn it: May only be added to an Expedition through Field Promotion

Heirloom: Whenever this model kills an enemy or NPC model with
a Critical or Brutal hit, note it next to its profile. At the end of the battle, if this
model was still on the field, replace it with an Arkodamode Model with +2 Head Armor in your Expedition roster.

Slave Soldier: Cost 2
Soldier, Slave
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy 4, Strength 6, Discipline 3, Evasion 4, Labor 2, Awareness 3
Health: Limb 1, Body 1
Armor: 003
Field Promotion : Whenever this model kills or Grievously wounds an Enemy or NPC model with a Critical, replace it with a Neodamode model.

May be take Kopis, Shield, Buckler, or Hasta as a Weapon.

Titanium Miner: Cost 1
Worker, Slave
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy 2, Strength 3, Discipline 3, Evasion 2, Labor 2, Awareness 2
Health: Limb 1, Body 1
Armor: 000
Born In A Hole: This Model Must be Adjacent to a Rare Mineral Vein for it to count as Controlled. If this Model is Adjacent to a Rare Mineral Vein, it counts as Controlled by Atlan, regardless of other Models presence.

Must take Shovel or Pickax.

>>92602696
>Egypt under undead ottoman rule
Pretty sure Egypt is where the Unhusked Ottomans are making their stand. Of course, they probably seem like easy pickings to their neighbors...

Expedition anime when?

>>92606932
When someone sits down to write Satsuma

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>>92594568
Less developed factions could use something like voodoo-controlled Tyrannosaurus that they have found in the lush jungles of the 3rd layer. Also rare and expensive, good counterpart for the European tank - modern technology vs. prehistoric beast. It screams of pulp magazines and I'm all for it.

>>92602696
>Belgian Congo
Isn't a thing. Belgian Congo happened more or less because Leopold wanted it and it was established a couple of years past our latest estimated timeline date. He is fully comitted to his Agarthan colony and mercenary company here.
The Portuguese would actually be in the best position to grab the Congo estuary, and I think the map anon had the same idea.
>Industrial Ethiopia, perhaps
Straight uo industrial - no, gradually modernizng - certainly. Making good use of that Axum entrance traffic.
>Egypt under undead ottoman rule
Isn't a thing, Egypt is independent as per the current lore.
>Liberia
The most I can come up at the moment is that Liberia would be less threatened by the British and the French and could claim more territory.
>>92604419
>>92604465
Why do that? It's completely redundant and contradicts Leopold's lore. It's literally Paraguay Incident 2: African Boogaloo, including the establishment of an international organization for the containment of the wird and dangerous Hyperborean shit.

Also, speaking more to the thread as a whole. Pardon me if I sound a bit confrontational, but how many here actually read the damn doc?
Ottoman entry is one of the shortest out there.
Mind you I'm not saying it's some Holy Bible we can't change. We have, in fact, done it numerous times. But it would be one thing if people were reading it and pitching their changes, whereas time and time again I just see all these attempts to reinvent the wheel by anons seemingly unaware that we've had some aspect of the lore already covered, and for a long ass time at that.

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It looks great and I think it suits Vernian retro futuristic style. They are supposed to be expensive so just a couple of these guys should be a menace.

This is also a suggestion for a different approach in creating new units - we can look at some already existing models and think how could they fit in Agartha after convertion.
Basic infantry is easy to get - French, Germans and English from this period are all in plastic from Perry Miniatures, there are boxes for Franco-Prussian War, Zulu War and Brits in Afghanistan. Also Civil War models for Americans. I would love to see some of your WIPs in here in the future.

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How have you cheeky fucks gone this long developing a setting where the Champ de Mars becomes a major location, in the late 1800s, without realising the Exposition Universalle was happening during literally that exact time period, in EXACTLY that location?

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You know?
100th anniversary of the Storming of the Bastille is coming up?
Decades of international expositions preparing for it from 1855 through 1889 and beyond?
The literal reason why the Eiffel Tower was even built in the first place?
That Exposition Universalle, where one of said expositions would be happening at right around exactly the time the Champ de Mars fell?
The expositions which drew in untold numbers of wealthy international tourists?

>>92612078
>>92612107
Hasn't happened yet, the first Exposition Univers*e*lle was in 1867, Paris fell in July 1860.

>>92612237
>the first Exposition Univers*e*lle was in 1867
1855.

Ok, so I'm seeing that someone is still downvoting the archived threads. Just in case, I'll post all the links, since once they reach a certain threshold, they cannot be seen from the web, but they can still be seen if you have the link. OP should keep the links around in case we need to go back to re-check things.

1 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88453902
2 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88499775
3 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88521841
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5 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88573764
6 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88609944
7 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88644608
8 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88673440
9 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88692518
10 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88708594
11 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88727682
12 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88778228
13 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88870359
14 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88914758
15 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/88977888
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18 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89200203
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22 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89544852
23 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89631080
24 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89713196
25 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89792722

26 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/89869127
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29 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90105561
30 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90181640
31 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90257150
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33 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90413108
34 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90499203
35 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90584650
36 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90673309
37 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90753468
38 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90829747
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40 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/90986494
41 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/91065344
42 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/91137325
43 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/91204984
44 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/91275538
45 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91338794
46 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91416168
47 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91510472
48 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91592820
49 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91701936
50 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91784100
51 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91857566
52 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/91925480
53 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92067118
54 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92133409
55 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92198903

>>92613415
>Ok, so I'm seeing that someone is still downvoting the archived threads.
lmfao this motherfucker's still around what even
Expedition truly has memetic power, to jimmie rustle a man so hard that he developes an obsessive hate boner that lasts for more than 4 hours. AND he didn't go see a doctor for it.

56 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92268614
57 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92338736
58 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92416368
59 - https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2024/92493882

>>92613427
He was also around back in Giantstep, even trying to sabotage the archives directly. He seemingly hates any recent worldbuilding thread.

>>92613459
>He was also around back in Giantstep, even trying to sabotage the archives directly. He seemingly hates any recent worldbuilding thread.
What a gay.

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pic rel entrance to Atlan Capital, or some other important Atlan place? 18th century art is a great place for inspiration.
>>92605335
i will fix it.

>>92613586
Atlan uses more metal in their architecture, afaik.
Less columnar revivalist, more rococo brutalist.

Reminder that the ancient Greek root of "Phosphorous" is "Phaos pherein" meaning "Torch Bearer"
and Phosphorous is an actual proper name in Atlan, not referring to the chemical.

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Its likely, actually, a surname.
Phosphorous would be an Anglicisation of something like Phaospheros. Given the meaning of the OG Greek roots, it actually hints at Atlan society using honorary surnames.
The surname "Torch Bearer' existing certainly does not imply professional surnames ala English and many other languages, nor regional surnames ala Italian, nor even familial surnames ala the -sen suffix of Swedish.

Its a small lore tidbit, but I"m happy to contribute it. Phosphorous is a surname, meaning "Torch Bearer", either Baron Phosphorous in his youth or an ancestor of his would have been in some position where he carried a great metaphorical weight for many people.

Atlan uses honorary surnames. And, likely also uses derogatory surnames for families of criminals, slaves etc. You may find surnames with meanings like "Bread Thief" or "Con Artist"

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So with amount of minis I’ve ordered for me and my friends irl test run of the game; factoring in his elite/hero/leader Morlocks and weapons. I found he can run 22 MORLOCK GRUNTS with sword and shield with silver to spare.

I don’t know if my Brit’s have enough bullets. I can’t even decide between scots and zulus…

>>92614313
>I found he can run 22 MORLOCK GRUNTS with sword and shield with silver to spare.
LET HIM COOK

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>>92614134
my plan is that there is only one Baron in Atlan and his surname Phosphorous, and after years of there always being a Baron Phosphorous it became tradition to name the heir to the title Baron. the ones thats the Baron is called The Baron while the heir is called by his surname. im not done with the story, thats just the introduction. im writing about what the war camp is like now and having some trouble, if any of you have ideas of what the FOB of The Baron's Immortals is like id love to hear it.
oh, yeah. what do you guys think of Atlan Immortals originally being The Baron's Immortals, and became "nationalized" by the Titanium King as part of his deal with Phosphorous?
>>92614244
yes i like this very much.
>>92613614
i meant the location more than anything.
>rococo brutalist.
i imagine the really old stuff, pre war and early war, would be "Byzantine with Cretan characteristics". pre Spanish contact (if we go with that which i think we ought to) and post Atlantis contact, i think it would be Medieval Georgianish. post Spanish contact, pre Titanium King, a sort of Stalinist style. current era being Art Decoish.
brutalism is too honest and rococo too overtly feminine.

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Thomas Cole paintings by the way. he is the Course of Empire guy.

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>>92613586
this isnt Cole, its Church, he painted in Jordan. the rest are Cole including this one.
>>92614359
mmmmm.... quiche. i wonder if Morlock is oily or white fish.

>>92584653
Not criticizing, but why does Turkey still own Egypt? In OTL the French kicked them out and the British took the opportunity to turn it into a puppet. So did the British just not do that due to chasing a Rosetta-corrupted Napoleon, or did the Turks retake it at some point?

>>92610927
>it was established a couple of years past our latest estimated timeline date.
Ah true, I'm not too knowledgeable on African history, more just wanted those Heart of Darkness vibes. Time to do it underground!

>>92614313
What bases are you using?

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>>92614955
25mm rounds. And Heroscape tiles for the map after I figure out the “standard” board size.

I’ll have to invest in some proper Agarthan for future games; and of course THE CAMPAIGN.

>>92615195
*Agarthan terrain

>>92614697
Oily most likely.
But maybe its similar to eel?

So, when are we doing Agartha NFTs?

>>92615688
Bored Lemur Club

>>92615742
Maybe we can get Logorg Paul to pump 'n' dump it

>>92613415
>>92613426
>>92613447
Thank you very much for these. Saving them aside in case.
>>92606602
This seems alright, if a bit undercosted for the Arkodamode. I'll try and get the profiles done tonight.
>>92601557
>Suggested Frenzy Rules:
I'll try to come up with something as a proposal tonight, taking inspiration from this.

>>92605168
Into the camp of The Baron’s Immortals. The camp was made of four concentric walls of clay and wood at the top and bottom of two stocky concentric mounds; one small one on top, a big one on the bottom. It was near the sea, as it had to be to get the wood needed for its construction and inhabitince. It was built, as it had to be, far too quickly to be sound and under great stress by many sea-sick engineers and slaves. It was on the lip of what was surely stolen land, though by Atlan or Atlantis depends, as it goes, on who you ask. The only thing anyone could agree upon about the cove was its importance, its stolence, and its history with its new and current occupants.
The Baron’s Immortals earned their name after Phosphorous I took the magnificent cove called then Oceanus’s Goblet from Atlantis, made it his barony, and used it to launch a undefeated and wholly merciless campaign into the Atlantean heartland in which not a single one of his men bled more than an ounce. The Baron’s Barony was the only real source of pride Atlan had back then, and it became a symbol- The Baron and his Immortals- became a symbol for it. Which is why it hurt so damn much when The Baron Phosphorous III lost it, it hurt so much it killed him. The Baron Phosphorous IV spent his whole life trying to undo what his father had done, and tried by god he did try. tried his damnedest, he did, but it was never enough pry back his birthright, the little circle of hell his name promised him. In his life Phosphorous IV was both a good son, a good student, Captain of The Baron’s Immortals, a leader dignified and proud, a fair if grim lord of little, a cunning business man, a shrewd general, and for good decade he was all of it at once. Still, it was never enough to retake The Barony. All it all was enough for was aging him far faster, he was only fifty now which is remarkably young for a Phosphorous, and keeping the last embers of dignity burning.

Now his son, Phosphorous V, Baron to be, paced and pondered his prestigious blood until he had paced clear across the camp right into a wooden wall. Rubbing his shaggy, nearly tangerine head, “ill have to cut this wont I”, he thought and turned gazing out across the camp, his camp, the camp that looked out across the Goblet, which was dark and dead silent. It was very early in the morning, and it had been a very late night, and a very hard week. Phosphorous figured he was the only one up. "Unless the glassy eyed man really can last a few days," he amended his thought. It was not an unheard of thing for a grey blood to be so full of Titanium that the withdraws dont hit for nearly a month. There was even one story of a glass eye who went a whole year with no withdraw after a extraordinarily expensive few weeks of what can only be hoped to have been something useful. Phosphorous tried to remember exactly how the troublesome story went again as he wandered back to his tent, wondering if the glassy eyed man was awake or even alive. Despite his earlier absent mindedness it was easy to find his tent, it was the only one that glowed and though the glow was faint and often obstructed, in the dark sleep of the camp it stood out. It stood out like a man among crocodiles! It stood out like a mirror in the sun! It stood out like- Phosphorous V stopped one thought and started another.
The glassy eyed was not able to last, nor was he asleep.

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>>92617607
wonderful thank you.

>>92614917
No, that's my mistake, it should not be marked. I'll correct it when I have some time, thanks for telling me.

Any other bit of the maps in need of correcting?

>>92614244
On a somewhat related note, Phosphorous was originally pitched as a pyromaniac character, supposed to work well with Greek Fire equiped Immortals.
The guy who did the initial fleshing out of the unit rules (that was before 2e anon started carrying the rules aspect of things like the Atlas he is) played into it by giving him a flaming rhomphaia a buff to fire damage for his allies, and giving the Immortals a different loadout option that had them use a flamethrower-pike and a heavy shield that turned them into tanks, essentially.
I raised some concern that perhaps that would make the Baron a bit of a one trick pony, if we only have such limited options for fire damage in the Atlan army. But if we DID add more, then it might have turned them into discount Atlantis and taken away from Atlantis proper.
I was meaning to start a discussion, but it ended up mostly me and him just deciding on what would end up his current rules. The flamethrower pike became the Acanthus pike, the rhomphaia became crystal etc.
However, I've since come to doubt this decision and I did see recently someone suggest Atlan should have Greek Fire options. And since it's actually fairly common for 2e to let you mix and match different faction features via special leader and sponsor rules, I think it would fit rather well.
So what if we make the Greek Fire-related weaponry a Phoshorous-only feature for Atlan and bring back his older concept?

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>>92614313
>>92615657
They are hominids so they taste like pork. It looks like you are talking abour Murloks from Warcraft.

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Anyway, here are the rules I'd change/add to him:

Weapon: Incendiary Rhomphaia
The blade of this Rhomphaia is lined by an unholy mixture of crystalline Titanium and phosphorous, as if Prometheus himself was forged into a weapon. Heeding its master's mental command it bursts into azure flames.
+1/ +1 /-2 / 7 [ X / ] / [ Black X ]
Fire Damage on Crits.

Torch Bearer (ex-Adamant Rhompaia): [1 AP 1 LP] This model may set it's melee weapon on fire, making all attacks with it deal additional Fire damage for 3 turns. While active, any time an enemy within 3 of this model is killed by Fire damage, the enemy gains 1 extra Dread.

Pyromaniac: You may equip the Immortals and Toltaikoi in your expedition with Atlantean Flamers, also making them subject to the "Critical Instability" rule.

Recruitment : This model comes equipped with the Incendiary Rhomphaia and may not take any other weapon. It may select a Warhorse as a Mount.

The rest is the same.
Might need polish, but you get the gist.
And evidently, keep the Acanthus shield/pike around as a separate thing.

>>92619345
Murlocs have been reflavored as fishmen, it happened a while ago.
Your picrel are 100% Gorgs however.

>>92614313
>So with amount of minis I’ve ordered for me and my friends irl test run of the game
Absolutely based.
>I don’t know if my Brit’s have enough bullets
The question you should be asking yourself is do they have enough dynamite?

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>>92619943
Shame, Morlocks are pretty iconic.
I was about to buy some Middle Earth goblins, I guess they will be Stinker Gorgs now.

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>>92620071
Put a horned helmet on them and replace the weapons, and yeah they would work alright as Gorgs. As themselves they could work as Devolved Deepfolks (not an OG compass unit, but one shitposted to provide another Follower option for Dr Moreau when he was himself shitposted in).
For Gorgs , you are going to need a lot less than that, Gorgs are strong, not intended to be a horde army. Devolved Deepfolks under Sinister Dr Moreau are Morlock-tier spam horde, or at least intended to be.

>>92620071
If you painted them as fish grey I think they could pass. Or just run them as Lemurian degenerates.

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>>92619943
>>92620071
>>92620165
>>92620213
I think I missed the part of them getting fishified.
I mean, their lore and model design changes every so often so Middle Earth goblins seems perfect.

>>92620283
Their lore is consistent as far as 2e goes, they are fishmen, or more precisely subhumans at a pelagic stage of devolution. You can probably wiggle ME goblins into that somehow, its wide enough.
As far as what you want to use for minis, go for whatever float your boat, I don't care, and if you post them I'm gonna praise you for it.

>>92619365
>Greek Fire-related weaponry a Phoshorous-only feature for Atlan and bring back his older concept?
id like Immortals to be able to take Greek Fire Grease (see somewhere in this thread) and Crystal Iconodules to be able to take Greek Fire Bombs, otherwise i agree.
>Torch Bearer
i think we should make Greek Fire Damage its own keyword and Torch Bearer should be 2LP.
what do you think about this?

Baron Phosphorous: Cost 30
Leader, Noble
AP: 2 LP:5
Movement 2, Accuracy 7, Strength 8, Discipline 7, Evasion 5, Labor 0, Awareness 7
Health: Limbs 2, Body 2, Head 1
Armor: 4T7T3T

Slave Driver: All Slave units in this Expedition gain +1 Labor

Torch Bearer: [2 LP] This model may set it's melee weapon on fire, making all attacks with it deal additional Greek Fire Damage. While active, any time an enemy within 3 of this model is killed by Fire damage, the enemy gains 1 extra Dread.

His Radiance: Non-Slave models in your expedition within 3 gain +1 Discipline and Fire Damage does not remove Titanium. Enemy Models within 3 have -1 Accuracy when Attacking this Model
This unit counts as a Light Source (4)

“Carry that weight!”: [1AP 1LP] Select a Slave Adjacent to any Non-Slave, and a Non-Slave Adjacent to the Selected Slave. The Slave loses 2 Movement and at the end of its Activation The Selected Non-Slave may be moved so they are once again Adjacent to each other.

“Escape from freedom!” : [2AP 3LP] All Panicking models, friendly and
enemy, immediately stop Panicking and become under your control until the
end of the game. Every unit affected by this rule gain Slave and suffer -1 to
all Stats except AP.


This model comes equipped with the Incendiary Rhomphaia and may not take any other weapon. May take Cavesaur or Warhorse mount.

Suggestion for Titanium rule change:
Armour locations with a (T) next to them are Titanium armour. They do not suffer Penetration penalties, and the first time it would be modified by a Critical, instead, it loses this rule (cross the (T)), this does not increase Dread. Titanium can also be removed through Successful Fire or Electric Damage.
>>92602156
amendments:

Terror Tonic: [Affixed] Models who suffer a Wound from this weapon must make a Discipline check at the end of the turn. For every Test Failed, the owner of the Model takes 1 Dread.
Weapons with Terror Tonic Affixed count as Light Source 2

Greek Fire Grease: [Affixed] Affixing Greek Fire Grease causes the Model doing to to take 1 Fire Damage to Limbs. Weapons with Greek Fire Grease Affixed deal Fire Damage to target and All Models Adjacent to target.
Weapons with Greek Fire Grease Affixed count as Light Source 3

suggestion for Immortals:

Atlan Immortal: Cost 17
Soldier, Icon
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy 5, Strength 8, Discipline 7, Evasion 3, Labor 0, Awareness 5
Health: Limbs 1, Body 2,
Armor: 7T7T7T

I WILL NOT DIE TODAY: when this Model is first Grievously Wounded or Shaken it becomes Frenzied.

Perfect Form: While equipped with Buckler or Sheild, Blocks Line Of Sight for Enemies but not Friendlies.

May take Anthacus Pike, Rhomphia, Buckler, Sheild. May take Torch, Lantern, Greek Fire Grease.

Fixing the bit of Egypt. I've put the border between rebel egypt and the husked ottomans near the Suez strait, since it is an easy place to amount a defense (and I haven't found a bit talking abou anything against it, if I've made a mistake, please point it out).

Also, what bits would the dutch realistiacally control at this point in time?

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>>92622162

>>92621985
also, what about making it so they can only take Anthacus Pike or Buckler?

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Why are Janissaries still around? They were supposed to be dismantled in early 19th century

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Is there anything specific I should looking for during a playtest?

>>92623358
what are the lists?

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>>92623444
Brits vs. Pure Morlocks. I’m currently revamping my Brit list currently as I actually really like the idea of a penal legion scot Expedition using their punishment to help test the Analytical engine. I did a quick whip up list of what my friend could take earlier. Of course it’s subject to change depending on what combo of Morlock specials he wants to take.

MORLOCK EXPEDITION

Chest: 33 Silver

X 3 Mad Morlock Shaman 15 silver

Morlock Staff

The Morlock Apprentice 4 Silver

Morlock Staff

X2 Morlock Tallfin 16

Morlock Staff

X2 THE MORELOCK 16

Spear and Shield

X22 Morlock Grunts 66

Sword and Buckler

>>92623589
Blessed List.

>>92623350
Wouldn't a "reborn" ottoman empire also reinstate the jannisaries, as a bit of a sign of the glory days come back?

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>>92623589
>X22 Morlock Grunts 66
blargaghghgharhglglghghlgh

>>92623863
They got rid of the Janissaries for a reason, I don't think that bringing them back would be a good idea but I don't mind having them, I like their hats.

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>>92623589
And my list, no room for scots because I EMBRACE GORG

BRITISH EXPEDITION 2e

Chest: 3

Modern Major General 20

Webley, Saber,

Lieutenant 11

Royal Engineers Officer, Color Sargent

Lee Metfield

Sargent 21

Saber, Webley, First Aid Kit

Analytical Engine 10

X3 Privates 15 each (45 total)

Lee Metfield

X 3 Zulu Auxillary 27

Ancestral Weapon, Home Territory

Buckler, Short Spear

Mercenary: Mulf the Stinker Gorg 13 Silver

Club, Buckler

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>>92624243
FUCK I FORGOT THE BAYONETS

>>92623987
I mean, at this point would the undead leadership of the empire care? Propping up the empire and its image at all costs would be a priority to them. Or alternatively, the jannisaries could be just in name only, and be completely different.

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Would Judge Holden from Blood Meridian a possible US unit?

>>92624419
It's mid 19th century so sure, scalp-hunters would have a lot of work in neanderthal and atlantean infested undergrounds.

>>92624243
I'm pretty sure that you get the engine for free by taking the analytical engineer but you can't buy it otherwise.

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>>92624670
Oh poo. Right, thank you for pointing that out, I assumed I could take it separately as the Lieutenant had that trait. Since I borked up bayonets it’s a good time to jigger it around.

>>92624918
>separately as the Lieutenant had that trait
That's more of a skill issue on my part since I'm the one who wrote the hero traits and I didn't realize that would be a thing.
It makes perfect sense though so I'll declare it canon right here and now with my limited non-pdf editing powers.
>IF YOU TAKE THE SAPPER TRAIT FOR LIEUTENANT YOU CAN PURCHASE AN ANALYTICAL ENGINE ALSO

How many states does the US have? Does the american agarthan holdings have a territory considered a state?

Also, would the Tsardom sell Alaska to the US in this timeline?

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>>92625384
Jolly good!

I was born, lucky me
In a layer that I love
Though I'm poor, I am free
When I grow, I shall fight
For this land, I shall die
Inner sun never set

VICTOOOOOORIA, VICTOOOOOORIA
Victoria, 'toria
VICTOOOOOOORIA, VICTOOOOOOORIA
Victoria, 'toria

Layer of hope and gloria
Land of my Victoria
Land of hope and gloria
Layer of my Victoriaaaaaaaaaa
Victoria, 'toria

VICTOOOOOOOOOOOORIA, VICTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIA
VICTORIA, 'toria

Canada to Agartha
Australia to Iceland
Singapore to Hong Kong
From the West to the East
From Above to Below
Victoria loved them all

VICTOOOOOOOOORIA, VICTOOOOOOORIA
Victoria, 'toria
VICTOOOOOOOOOORIA, VICOOOOOOOOORIA,
Victooriaaaaaaaa

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Ok, so I’m updating the world map. Here are the changes made:

>Portugal
-Added Goa in India. I imagine they still have it, though with an independent India, they might try to reclaim it for themselves.
-Added the island of St. Tome in Africa.
-Expanded Portuguese holdings in the Indonesian archipelago, giving them Sumba, Flores and the rest of Timor. In the real world timeline, the Portuguese governor of the region holdings in Indonesia agreed to sell eastern Flores and the nearby islands to the Dutch in 1851, which ended in the Treaty of Lisbon in 1859 with the division of Timor between the two. With a sebastianist order, losing territory to heretics (much less selling it) would be unthinkable, so I assume they would still keep the islands, despite their financial crisis.
>Netherlands
-Added Surinam.
-Added Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire.
-Added dutch territories in Indonesian islands. I have reduced somewhat their holdings, though I’m not sure how (and how much) the dutch are affected by agarthan shenanigans, so I just eyeballed it.
>British
-Added Ceilan and a couple of islands in Oceania.
-Added Benin and the Seychelles.
-Added the Andamar and Nicobar islands.
-Added Aden and Bahrain in the Arabian Peninsula (would the british expand this enclave with the husked ottomans around? Maybe the tribes nearby would ally with the british for help?).
-Added a good amount of islands to the british holdings in the Caribbean (Monserrat, Antigua, Trinidad and Tobago…).
>French
-Added New Caledonia.
-Added the isle of Reunion and the Comoros.
-Added a bit of Madagascar to the French holdings, but again, not sure how much would they expand with agarthan shenanigans going around, so I eyeballed it again.
-Added a good amount of islands to the french holdings in the Caribbean (Guadaloupe, Martinique).
>Spain
-Added a couple of Pacific Islands, since there is no mention of Spain losing their pacific holdings after the loss of Cuba.

>>92626092
>USA
-Added Hawaii
-Added Puerto Rico (would it be under US control, or would it be independent?)


Still not sure how to draw the borders in south and southeastern Asia, as China is not unified under one singular rule, the Tsardom expanding through central Asia and the Neo-Mughal around. I'll wait until we get more consensus on that. The same with Africa and the possible portuguese campaigns around it.

A couple of questions:
-Would Canada fall under proper british influence, or only Labrador would count?
-Would the danish control part of greenland, or would they lose it to either US or british influence?
-Would Haiti and the Dominican Republic be one country (as they were for a time in the real world)? That would probably need to be addresed in the eventual Polish-Vodoo writeup.
-Have I missed some bit contrary to current lore?

>>92579565
There's an absolute trash steam darker than darker ripoff named after this, was someone trying to do a cashgrab on /tg/'s far superior idea?

>>92621424
I was doing his profile, I see no issue with your proposal, I'll update it.
> Titanium changes
Seems fine.
>>92621892
>Terror Tonic:
Works fine
>Greek Fire Grease
Kinda goes against how Fire works, but I think I can work something up around this.
>>92621985
>suggestion for Immortals:
I might give them Tough and Quick Strike to play out that they are elite, but otherwise this is great.
>>92622515
>what about making it so they can only take Anthacus Pike or Buckler?
Would prefer if they had some amount of choice. Atlan has few Soldier choices already.

>>92626181
>-Would Canada fall under proper british influence, or only Labrador would count?
Yes, the Act of 1867 maintained that all Canuck foreign affairs was run by the Brits. This would go on until the first World War if I understand correctly.

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>>92625384
>It makes perfect sense though so I'll declare it canon right here and now with my limited non-pdf editing powers.
>>IF YOU TAKE THE SAPPER TRAIT FOR LIEUTENANT YOU CAN PURCHASE AN ANALYTICAL ENGINE ALSO
Kek, might as well, there's no reason not to have more than one way to access it. I'll just have to check how the Actions works on those two profiles, but that's not much. Will do it tonight and post them up tomorrow.
In the meantime, I don't think a "Reclaimer" unit was posted, unless I missed it. I think Atlan does need at least one more Soldier profile between the Slave Soldier and the Immortals, there's a huge gap the Spring Gunner doesn't really fill, and the Neodamode & Arkodamode are not something you can rely on so much. Perhaps "Reclaimers" are an Akritoi equivalent corp, sent to "reclaim" Atlan's former colonies?

>>92626258
This is a case of strong synchronicity, mentions of the vid game appeared within 2 weeks of this thread being born, and while I don't know shit about game programing I assume it was too far along to have been born out of it or reflavored at the last minute for it.
Personally I think if a vid came out of this a sort of Sunless Sea where individual members of your Expedition are represented on the map walking and fighting instead of just a boat would be insanely cool.

>>92626266
great thank you.
>Items
did you see Titanium Ball? i think that could be a good item for the Merc book, same with Olm Teeth.
>Atlan has few Soldier choices already.
good point. i have an idea for 2 new units, i will post them later.
>Perhaps "Reclaimers" are an Akritoi equivalent corp, sent to "reclaim" Atlan's former colonies?
this is one of the units, the other one being the Reconquerer. i havent posted them because they draw from the Conquistador Contact idea and the Scared Atlan Wall change. but i guess thats kinda stupid and overly formal so here you are:
Atlan Reclaimer Cost: 8
Soldier, Engineer
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy 6, Strength 7, Discipline 5, Evasion 4, Labor 5, Awareness 4
Health: Limbs 1, Body 1,
Armor: 5T6T5T

Stand My Ground: while this unit is Shaken, +1 Strength, -1 Accuracy Awareness, and it may still make Melee Attacks. When this unit would become Panicked, it instead becomes Broken.

may take any Atlan Melee. Titanium Pike. May take Tonic, Torch, Lantern, Materials.

rerevised:
Hospitalizer: Cost 7
Specialist, Icon
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy: 4, Strength 6, Discipline 8, Evasion 6, Labor 5, Awareness 7
Health: Limbs 1, Body 2, Head 1
Armor: 4T6T2T

Walk It Off : [1 AP] this model may target a friendly model adjacent to it as it would be removed from the game. That model remains in play until the end of the turn, at which point it is removed as if it has been killed by the opponent. Can not be used on units with Wall in the name.

Tough To Be Tender: At the start of the turn, Remove all Friendly Adjacent Models with a Grievous Wound from the game.

Abhor The Weak : Friendly Models Adjacent to Atlan Hospitalizer, gain +1 Accuracy on Melee Attacks against Wounded Enemies.

May take Stiletto, Titanium Stiletto, or Titanium Bone Saw as Weapon.

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>>92623358
>Is there anything specific I should looking for during a playtest?
Dodging saves lives. If you have the choice between Move Move or Move Dodge, consider heavily doing the second to increase your survival chances. Ranges are long relative to the map sizes.
90% of the time you don't need to figure out what location you hit. If the target of an attack has a Simple Health Track and either all locations have no Armour (so, most Colonials) or the same Armour Value, you don't need to figure it out.
With Dread no longer decreasing at the end of the turn, it is a real concern. Brits have the highest Discipline but you might want to bring one or two ways to mitigate it.
Analytical Engine seems pretty good, in every playtest up until now it seemed useful. Prophecies are a great toolbox.
Also, hopefully this won't fuck your friend's list over but there is a rebalancing on its way as of right now so cost will change for Murlocs and Mu units (and Gorgs will probably be changed a bit to make them more useful & flavoured). Murloc spam won't go away however, if anything they'll get more tools.
>>92624918
>>92624243
>>92619345
>>92617771
>>92615195
>>92614697
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>>92614586
>>92614545
>>92613586
Thank you very much for these images btw I saved them and will use them in some fashion.

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Atlan Reconquerer Cost: 9
Soldier,
AP: 3
Movement 2, Accuracy 7, Strength 5, Discipline 6, Evasion 5, Labor 4, Awareness 5
Health: Limbs 2, Body 1,
Armor: 5T5T5T

Wont Back Down: while this unit is Shaken, +1 Strength, -1 Accuracy Awareness, and it may still make Charge Attacks. When this unit would become Panicked, it instead becomes Broken.

may take any Atlan Melee. Torch, Lantern, Materials. May take warhorse mount.

thoughts on letting Reclaimer take Mantrap and Reconquerer take Leaping Flower as items?
>>92626504
will post revised Heros next.
>Titanium Pike
i meant Anthacus Pike, i was getting it mixed up with Titanium Harpoon in my head because Burdened Whalur came from Anthacus Pike.
>paintings
ofcourse!

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>>92626626
> Titanium Balls
Yes! Any reason not to put them into the Atlan book too?
>>92626626
>Atlan Reclaimer Cost: 8
>Soldier, Engineer
Awesome, thank you!
With this much access to Engineers and the Sacred Atlan Wall theme we should think about giving Atlan some special interaction with Fortification and Barricade buildings.
Any art to suggest going along with them?

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>>92626813
little under costed, maybe bump it up to 12.

Crystal Iconodule: Cost: 8
Hero, Engineer,
AP: 2
Movement 3, Accuracy 5, Strength 5, Discipline 5, Evasion 5, Labor 5, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 1, Body 2, Head 1
Armor: 2T5T2T

-Heavy Metal: When this Model suffers a Crit, Fire, Electrical, or Poison to a Location with no Titanium, you may pay 3 Silver to immediately check Awareness. if Successful, check the Heavy Metal Table and immediately apply the result to the Hit location.
When this Model dies, place a Rare Ore Mineral Vein on the Hex it died on. (15 Silver)

-Experimental Weaponry : Weapons with Terror Tonic also inflict Fire Damage on Crit . May take Pistols from the British list. May only use Ranged or Melee Attacks in a game. (4 Silver)

-Scavenged Equipment : This model gains +2 Armour one one of its
Location. Additionally, during Deployment, choose between Caltrops,
Mantraps and Leaping Flowers. Once per game this model may use the Tools
of the Trade Special Action with the option chosen. (2 Silver)

-Hedge Cavalry : This model gains -1 Armour to Body Location and can
select any Mount from the Atlan list. (1 Silver)

Crystal Clear: [3 AP] target a Fresh Mineral Vein Within LOS and check the Random Mineral Table adding +2 to the roll; when the Target Mineral Vein is first Excavated, the Ore found is the one determined by this roll. (5 Silver)

May take Titanium Stiletto, Kopis, Spring Gun. may take Rations, Snake Oil, 3 Material, Torch, Lantern, Titanium Ball, Terror Tonic, Greek Fire Bomb. May take horse or warhorse mount.

>>92626813
>thoughts on letting Reclaimer take Mantrap and Reconquerer take Leaping Flower as items?
Yes, they should be used more than once, this is the perfect opportunity to spread them around.
>>92626813
>i meant Anthacus Pike
Will fix, however Acanthus Pikes are supposed to be rare weapons, giving them to an honored Slave may not be out of question but still a bit stretched.

>>92626831
for art, maybe use >>92581326 for now. for reconqueror maybe use the conquistador armor posted last thread. for Crystal Iconodule, maybe the explorer armor from dark souls 2 as a place holder.
>some special interaction with Fortification and Barricade buildings.
dude, you have no idea how on it i am.

Wall Shaman: Cost: 20
Specialist, Engineer, Icon
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy: 6, Strength 6, Discipline 8, Evasion 4, Labor 7, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 4, Body 1, Head 1
Armor: 2T2T2T

No More Tears: May use Repair on Icon Models, If Labor roll is Crit addtionally restore 1 Armor to target location.

Tails Of A Scorched Earth: Every Model that shares a Keyword with this one gains [Hatred: Enemy] and +1 Discipline.
OR
Eternal Vigilance: Models that share no Keyword with this one and have no AP remaining may take a free Build action, for every Material a Model uses as a result of this effect it takes one Graze Wound.

Fleeting Glimpse: [2 AP, 1 LP]. If Fleeting Glimpse was not used the Turn prior it has no effect. all Icon Models must immediately take a free Move action ignoring Difficult Terrain and leaving a 2 Health Barricade in every hex they travel through.
OR
Everything Put Together: [2 AP, 3 LP] you may Deploy any Friendly Icon Models removed from the game adjacent to a Wall or Fortification. Models deployed this way are ignore Moral rules, may not Move, and are removed from game as if killed by an enemy at the end of the turn.

May take Buckler or Shield. Materials.

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>>92626872
>Acanthus Pikes are supposed to be rare weapons, giving them to an honored Slave may not be out of question but still a bit stretched.
ah well. your call.

Wall Mystic: Cost 30
Specialist, Icon
AP: 4
Movement 1, Accuracy: 5, Strength 7, Discipline 9, Evasion 0, Labor 7, Awareness 8
Health: Limbs 4, Head 1
Armor: 4T5T

Keystone: Attacks Against the Model always target the first available location. This unit only dies when all its health boxes are filled and cannot Attack. Place a Titanium Vein on the Hex this Model dies on.

Titanium Trap Mind: as long as this Model has Titanium on a Armor Location and AP remaining, all Parley Actions and Prohseses target this Model. When this Model suffers a Crit, Fire Damage, or Electrical to a Location with no Titanium, after resolving the attack, restore the Titanium.

Glass Eyes: [3 AP] target a Fresh Mineral Vein Within 4 and LOS and check the Random Mineral Table adding +1 to the roll; when the Target Mineral Vein is first Excavated, the Ore found is the one determined by this roll. if Ore is not Titanium, you may check Labor to ignore the result of this action.

Can take no items, weapon, or equipment.

>>92627037
maybe change Glass eyes to 4AP and lower the cost a little. or keep the cost the same but still bump up Glass Eyes, not like we cant change it. could also use Nomad Merchant set from Elden Ring for a Crystal Iconodule place holder. just spitballs, not super attached to the art as i reckon at some point down the line it will all change anyway.

War Master: Cost: 9
Hero, Engineer, Icon
AP: 2
Movement 2, Accuracy 5, Strength 5, Discipline 6, Evasion 4, Labor 4, Awareness 6
Health: Limbs 2, Body 1, Head 1
Armor: 3T4T3T
[Dogged]

-Load Baring: in no Leaders are in your Expedition, this Model must take Born to Lead for free, but may not take any other Generic Hero Traits.

-Grand Strategist: [2 AP, 3 LP] immediately activate 3 Slave friendly models one after the other. (3 Silver)

-Run That Body Down: When this unit would become Panicked, instead this and all Soldier
Models have -1 to all stats and become Frenzied. (1 Silver)

- Aggression in moderation : This model gains special action Parley [Atlan “Pacifism”] : This model and the target model cannot make Attacks for the remainder of the turn. Whoever wins the Awareness test gains Deadly on all its weapons against the opponent’s model involved in this test next turn. (3 Silver)

- Armored Division : This model gains +2 Armour on all its Locations and
may equip Atlan Special Melee Weapons. (2 Silver)

May take Any Atlan Melee. First Aid, Rations, Torch, Lantern, Materials. May take Warhorse mount.

maybe let Reclaimers take Caltrops and Man Traps, and put a 1 trap per model or 1 trap per unit limit. if not, then maybe give War Master Man Traps and let Reclaimers have Caltrops.

>>92626831
>Any reason not to put them into the Atlan book too?
not that i can think of. Olm Tooth should be the Atlantis counter part i think.

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>>92595482
Ok, I like Stormcast Annihilators a lot more. I might even paint him after I find something else for a weapon.
I'm a big fan of these muscle plates, they invoke ancient mediterranean fashion and he's a lot chunkier than normal Stormcasts. This Plague Marine helmet also grew on me, but whatever you guys put on him, he will look good. I dropped the head crest since it cluttered this design, he looks more brutish and warlike now. Full plate war machine, just as The Founding Titking intended.

>>92626181
>Would the danish control part of greenland, or would they lose it to either US or british influence?
Greenland has some unexplained spooky stuff going on, at the moment it's being blockaded by the Brits and US though there doesn't seem to be any apparent reason for it.

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>>92627389
I agree, though your previous model would be great for a promoted slave soldier design if you swapped out the armored body for one of those swole Tzeentch cultists.

I managed to get everyone on bases,.now I got to wait for the rain to stop so I can prime them. I’m rather proud of the little Analytical Engine.

>>92628250
Interesting take on the design, what did you use for it? My plan is to take some of those craft store cog gubbins that I have lying around and stack them into a big tower with a little frame around it.

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>>92628345
I had some wargames Atlantic Convict bits left over, mostly backpack gubbins. I used the telescope because of the 'Environmental Analysis' and thought it would be cool to have an actual way to scan the area.

Oh, you could make your tower print out some paper, or perhaps have sort of run off mechanical fluid!

>>92626092
Hawaii is Mu-aligned.
It'd stretch Egypt at least to cover the Sinai. Pretty much everyone in the world would like there to be something between the Ottomans and the canal.
>would the british expand this enclave with the husked ottomans around? Maybe the tribes nearby would ally with the british for help?
British Yemen with independent Hejaz to the north?
I will also continue shilling putting the Anti-Sultanate into Iraq.
>Added dutch territories in Indonesian islands. I have reduced somewhat their holdings, though I’m not sure how (and how much) the dutch are affected by agarthan shenanigans, so I just eyeballed it.
Make Bali independent.

>>92629564
Ok, fixed Hawaii and Mali.

>It'd stretch Egypt at least to cover the Sinai.
Would that be realistic? The western side of the Sinai is much narrower and easy to bottleneck the ottomans in. Plus, it could make using the canal a dicier proposition, thus making many seek other options.

>Anti-Sultanate into Iraq.
Making iraq non-ottoman controlled? I'm not sure, would it be good to take that much territory from the ottomans? The area could be in constant rebelion and with guerrilla warfare, but still under their technical control.

>>92629619
Also, this reminds me I need to start marking areas under agarthan influence.

>>92629619
That there was supposed an unhusked Ottoman government left and controlling parts of the empire (and not Egypt, which is under the immortal Mohammad Ali Pasha, but allied with them out of convenience) was one of the oldest ideas for the Ottomans. And there's nowhere else left to put it. It's not like what you're saying is wrong, and we could just abandon the concept, but it would be a big change. What do the others think?

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Last update to the map. Here are the changes.

>US
Taken Hawaii, since it's under Mu influence.
>Netherlands
Taken Bali, since it's under lemurian influence.
>British
Added all Canada to the british

For now, I'm keeping the ottomans as they are until more feedback clears things out.

>>92629717
Also, I know that green is the traditional Russian map colour, but did you make the Ottomans purple on purpose?

>>92629750
No, I just needed to use colors different enough to differenciate the nations and that could not be mistaken once I added the transparency. Why?

>>92629660
I agree, Iraq is in the best position for the anti-husk elements of the Ottomans. That or what they have of the Balkans, but I doubt a sultanate would set up there. Perhaps we could just shade part of the ottomans territory to indicate that it's in dispute?

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>>92629790
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.

>>92629777
Maybe not all of Iraq, just the southern half, with the unhusked remnants making their last stand in Baghdad.

About the vodoo-polish idea. Not the anon who initially suggested it, but I’ve been thinking on a timeline that would work for them. It's just a quick writeup, so any feedback would be appreciated.


>1801. Starting with the arrival of Napoleon’s forces to retake Haiti and reinstate slavery, everything else happens as per real world’s timeline. At that point, the entirety of the island is under Haitian control due to the Spanish ceding the eastern side for peace with the French. The island has been in upheaval for more than a decade. General Leclerc takes over most of the island, start of a brutal resistance against the French, who had begun reinstating slavery in other colonial possessions of theirs. Also, in the Agarthan timeline, Voodoo timeline is much widely spread amongst Haitians, seeing it as a show of resistance against their oppressors.
>As part of Leclerc expedition, he brings a great force of polish soldiers, who are allied with the French. Many of them hold revolutionary ideals of their own, and think they are bringing the values of the French revolution to the rest of the world. However, once they see the French trying to reinstate slavery and the Haitian resisting, they end up disgusted with the French and change sides, about 5k polish solders join the ranks of the Haitians.
>The polish and the Haitians begin intermixing their culture, slowly but surely altering the traditional voodoo rituals and beliefs into something more regimented, whereas the polish become more used to see voodoo and its practices.
>The Leclerc Expedition utterly fails due to disease, guerrilla warfare and problems with the Napoleonic campaigns elsewhere. 1803 sees the French defeated in the Battle of Vertieres, forcing the French to flee (that and Leclerc’s death due to fever).

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>As the war stagnates, both sides began using voodoo rituals to increase their numbers. Many armies have voodoo zombies on them (though they are not fit for modern combat, they are either mindless melee soldiers who slowly walk towards the enemy soaking bullets, or they are used to carry materials across the island). As the world is too fixed with the Napoleonic wars in Europe, and as the zombies are too few in number to be meaningful, they are ignored by the outside world.
>The polish population, seeing that the war is bleeding an already wounded nation, offers to serve as intermediaries for peace negotiations, but they are ignored by the leadership of both. Seeing this, the polish get closer to voodoo priests and practitioners in search of a solution. They manage to become a third option in the civil war, though they do not partake in the fight. The Church of Vodoo begins growing in popularity, begins streamlining voodoo rituals and mixing it with catholic customs, some of the heroes of the Haitian Revolution become canonized as saints.
>1810. The mysterious death of both Alexandre Petion and Henri Christophe during the same night grinds the civil war to a bloody halt. Their bodies appear to have a mark in the shape of a fly on their necks, rumors begin to spread that the spirit of François Mackandal had returned to the land and punished both leaders due to their ambitions.
>As both sides of the civil war began infighting, the Church of Voodoo appears and begins preaching for the end of the war. Peacefully at first, but as the Church of Voodoo begins gaining more influence in society, they can use more force to pacify the island.

>>92630243
>1813. The Church of Voodoo wins the civil war, the nation is renamed as the Holy Empire of Haiti. The nation is ruled by a council of voodoo priests, the Holy Council, which begins trying to fix the nation’s economy. The figure of the Emperor is a mysterious man who never appears in public but it’s said to have the wisdom and power to keep Haiti free and prosperous. In reality, the emperor is just a zombie of one of the original voodoo priests from the Church of Voodoo.
>Many polish try to go back to their home during the years after the war, and they are all universally rejected, both as traitors during the war and as practitioners of heresy and witchcraft. This sentiment will strengthen as Catholicism in Europe becomes more belligerent due to the crisis with the Papacy. Only a few radicals wanting to revive the Duchy of Varsaw give them the time of day, and even then, they are looked down as shameful savages.
>The Church of Voodoo is seen by the rest of the world as a dangerous cult, and unanimously isolate Haiti, not even offering recognition in exchange for money as per real world timeline. The US is especially harsh on them, as many of the slaver-owning states vote to blockade the island to prevent it from spreading its religion (and the idea of a successful slave revolt) outside of Haiti. This blockade last until the beginning of the US Civil War.
>The eastern side of the island begins rejecting voodoo and the Haitian rule, and begin a war of independence. Between 1822 to 1844, the population of Santo Domingo fights against the Haitians with help from Britain, the US and Spain. In 1844, they become independent, causing great turmoil in Haiti.

>>92630248
-With Haiti completely isolated from the rest of the world, an economy in tatters, unable to trade for basic supplies and defeated against their neighbors, Haiti grows poorer and poorer, with many violent mutinies and revolts needed to be suppressed. Hunger is the common state of the island, and the Church of Voodoo is running out of options. Half of the Holy Council begins to seek people with knowledge of agarthan sorcery to seek mystical solutions to the growing poverty and misery. The other half begins preaching that the only solution for the survival of the Holy Empire is the return to Mother Africa.
-The preaching of a return to Africa becomes more and more strident, and with the start of the US Civil War, the slacking blockade allows multiple Haitian boats to sail into Africa, to seek a new start in Africa. Multiple Haitian settlements are created, but fights with the local population limit their growth, being just coast outposts and nothing more.
-The Church of Haiti is also used by the Union during the Civil War to weaken the southern states, with Union ships and contrabandists sending voodoo priests into the southern states to spread rebellion and dissent between the slaves and the black population. This was heavily suppressed by the Confederacy, but the New Orleans Uprising caused shockwaves into confederate-controlled America. Once the Union wins the Civil War, however, they quickly begin persecuting the Church of Voodoo, as they see its growing influence in the south as fuel for further tensions.

>>92630256
>After the Panama War and the birth of PACT, Haiti is forced to sign the treaty, which in Haiti’s case includes a much stricter control over them. In fact, the US will establish a permanent outpost in La Hispaniola, from which a series of military police units will keep vigilance over Haiti’s affairs. After a failed rebellion and the murder of the US ambassador, the US officially takes over Haiti with the blessing of Britain and France, since they feared the spread of the Church of Voodoo into their Caribbean territories. The Holy Empire of Haiti is dissolved into the Republic of Haiti, with most of the Holy Council detained and/or executed.
>The US’ control over Haiti cuts off the ties between Haiti and their African outposts, which are left to fend for themselves. The western powers take a long time to take action against them, since agarthan affairs have left Africa in the background. Many priests of the Church of Voodoo go underground, while others try to create their own little fiefdoms in Africa, and some others begin preaching for the union of all Africans against the white devils.

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Here's my WIP Atlan force.
2 Immortals, 1 Warmaster, 1 Spring Gunner.
Gonna use some spare heads from a pack of Tzeentchian cultists I have for Reclaimers, the weapons may be a bit too fiddly however.

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If the current date of the setting is 1883, then the US flag would have 38 states, and thus use this flag. That is, unless the US makes their agarthan holdings into a state.

1883 was added to the timeline to brainstorm connecting anything to the Krakatoa erruption, I'm pretty sure the actual current in-game date was supposed to be 1879-80. Though it makes little difference I suppose.

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>>92630264
Pretty good read, just few things to point out:
- Too much voodoo from the start, especially for Poles since they absolutely love Jesus and Saint Mary, with Mary even being crowned as a Queen of Poland. Let it be the normal history up to the 1805, after which most Poles go back to Europe to fight again with Napoleon (yes, historically they fucked him over in Haiti, then came back using their connections in French military and were like "What's the next mission?"). Their main goal was to establish Duchy of Warsaw, which came in 1807 so I feel like this should play bigger part. They could go back to Europe with some new customs, maybe painting some symbols next to Christian cross, maybe making strange talismans and fetishes. "It worked back on Haiti" they say to their comrades. Still, the spread of the new cult would not be so quick.
Here I would like to point out a potential path that we could go with their symbolism - real painting of Black Madonna, which is depicted as "Hodegetria" - Mary with her hand pointing at Baby Jesus for salvation and Jesus raising his hand in a blessing gesture. We could spice it up with her or Jesus pointing down, suggesting that salvation is somewhere underground. Something subtle but tying up to Agartha.
- Their departure to Africa could happen sooner, right after the end of Duchy of Warsaw in 1814. Now using their connections from their Haitian friends, they >somehow< end up as a colony in West Africa, with time creating a safe haven for exiled Poles? This would give them time to rebuild and be a somewhat potential minor faction in 1870's, let me know what do you think about this. That's when the voodoo would really start off but maybe we should think of a better name for their cult instead of repeating "voodoo" too often. Maybe something with Virgin Mary of the Deep.

Bringing back François Mackandal is a great idea.

Pic: American-Polish hero Pulaski leading insurrectionists with Black Madonna on the banner.

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>>92632121
>Too much voodoo from the start
I thought so as well, but I was hesitant to start the voodoo-polish syncretism too late. I would have imagined the haitians begin using as a form of resistence, but since Haiti gets its independence fairly early in the 19th century, it couldn't be used to fend off the french or other invaders.

>most Poles go back to Europe to fight again with Napoleon
That could be solved with only the poles that went deeper into voodoo being rejected outright, the ones who just fought for haitians without any voodoo ties could still return to Europe.

>Their departure to Africa could happen sooner, right after the end of Duchy of Warsaw in 1814
I could see it, though again, I would have prefered the idea of migrating back to Africa to take some more time, and be more a desperation move more than anything else. I mean, by 1814, the majority of the haitian population would have either been born in Haiti or have lived most of their lives in Haiti, not sure how many would want to go back, especially now that they won against their former masters.

>maybe we should think of a better name for their cult instead of repeating "voodoo" too often.
Agree, the names could use more thought. However, when I think of the Church of Voodoo, I think less of christianity with voodoo elements and more voodoo with a christian paintcoat.

Also, I can imagine there being the figure of the Baron Samedi becoming a strange figure in voodoo-polish people around. But instead of his usual attire, he wears highly elegant polish suit. He would still show the same behavior of drinking and partying, and noone who sees him can actually confirm whether he was real or something they imagined in a drunken stupor. I can see him appearing in areas where voodoo-polish would be particularly persecuted, such as southern USA or tsardom-controlled Poland.

>>92630651
Fucking hell yeah those look perfect.

>>92632121
I think they'd also experience a wave of migrants after the 1863 uprising, as the defeat and the general insanity happening around the world has more Poles turn to the voodoo cult.

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>>92630241
>>92630243
>>92632466
I've been working on gathering sources for assembling how this history unfolds so this is great to have.
Someone put it in the doc tentatively and we can refine it later, if possible.

FOR NOW
I want to weave Bizango secret societies into the narrative. They fit perfectly and would explain a throughline between all Vodou-practising factions.
This is traditional vodou so remember, we ought to avoid all trope-y garbage. No voodoo dolls, no Baron Samedi in a top hat and skinny purple suit pants, etc.
Polish history is far from my forte so someone else covering that helps a lot. That said, a few thoughts on common ground,

>An apparent idea in Vodou is that the spirits are drawn to suffering people, an example I've found was a ritual where roast hot peppers are held in the mouth in order to commune with spirits.The Catholic practise of self-flagellation ties in well with this, and as Catholic elements are integrated into Vodou tradition in the west may be a common ground for the melding.

>But instead of his usual attire, he wears highly elegant polish suit.
I want to give an emphatic hell no to that from my end. I really want to avoid all pop/tourism voodoo tropes if possible.
The modern image of Bawon Samedi was largely solidified by François Duvalier in the mid 1920s.
His traditional depiction, as far as I can tell as its VERY hard to pierce through pop culture sources to find OG depictions, is
>Top hat is a corrupted version of a black Kente Kufi hat.
>A skeleton in a black cloak turned into a black guy in face paint wearing a European jacket.

I would much prefer Samedi, if present, to be within his original depiction. A skeleton, black kente kufi, black cloak. I would also suggest using Bawon Samedi. Baron is an anglicisation, he's not actually a Baron of anything.
"Bawon Samedi" translates to "Lord of Saturday" which I'm still looking into but has something to do with traditioinal associations of the West African/Hatian days.