In this thread, we try to develop a setting that takes place in an industrial age. Increasing amounts of people live in behemoth cities made of concrete and steel, literacy is ubiquitous and radios are common place. New materials like nylon and bakelite are being brought into the civilian market at increasing rates.However this grand experiment is not going well. In fact many would say that things have gone to pot, and have been going for a while now. Where not a hundred years ago, people were naively and excitedly ready to believe in the transformatory powers of new technologies and ideologies, sweeping or permanently altering the royal autocracies of old in a torrent of optimism and revolution, things are now looking grim. For [INSERT REASON(S) HERE] most people have lost faith in a better tomorrow and now it seems like the world is simply sleepwalking to its doom, shell-shocked and mute.The two main schools of thought in the industrialised core are Spenglerian and Adornian and though they come from very different socio-political backgrounds, they both agree things are only going to get worse.>WHAT DO WE WANTA general overview of the main actors in this world, the ongoing crisis's that might affect the PCs, pavement-level lore a GM can readily incorporate into a narrative. NPCs, roll tables, nation or sub-nation sized maps.>WHAT WE DON'T NEEDA big world map with 3 sentence continent-covering blobs that won't have any lore until some maniac autist 6 months from now decides to generate 10,000 pages of AI-slop to fill a wiki (def. not pointing fingers at anyone).
>4th /tg/ creates a [adjective] setting within 5 daysWhat's even the fucking goal? Are you trying to salt the earth for world-building threads? Just spam the shit out of /tg/ for the sake of it? I honestly don't get you, anon.
>>90307396He just wants people to do his "work" for him. Later he will jack off to it, and go on to play no games
>>90307410>>90307396I've actually been thinking about trying something like this for like a year now, waiting for Giantmeme to die and decided to post this on my work break today. I'm not the low fantasy guy.
>>90307410You spend so much time prowling the board hunting down nogamers that it's surprising you have any time to game yourself.
>>90307311So, what are the ground rules and motive here? Is this effectively an alternative industrial age of our own world or the industrial age of a fantasy world? If it's similar and grounded to our own world, why not just make it historical. If it's fantasy, Arcanum both beat you to it and did it better than you could.
These are the worst threads on the board, worse than 40K lore threads.
>>90307472Some of us actually play tabletop rpgs, nogames. You should try it sometime.
>>90307446I was thinking something kind of like DE but without the stigma of being a vidya.
>>90307311Pajeets have taken up positions of power and influence in most countries that matter, of the rich industrialists and lawyers half are pajeets. Each passing year, the pajeet super-rich cement their control over the world finances.
>>90307311Rare based OP
>>90307472I think they are some of the most fun and interesting threads we have. Gee it's almost as if taste is subjective>>90307311There's a nation wide ban on jazz music.
>>90307845>>>/b/ is that way
>>90307311>Keep ruining threads with a different theme>Add the same thematic details every time>Keep retrying instead of continuing the setting every time because niche and nuanced expectations weren't metIn "/tg/ makes a setting" threads /tg/ makes the setting. Not a few obsessive autists that keep trying to railroad a preconceived blueprint of an industrial dystopia. Just make your own setting and share it if that's your goal, this is annoying.
>>90308037?? If you want a ruderless generic kitchensink, which is what usually happens when you have a no-adjectives ffa map painting thread, go contribute to Giantstep, I hear they need help.
>>90308037What kind of setting would you want to see expanded upon instead?
>>90307871Why don't you just use your mod powers to move this thread to /b/?
Well there should be some sort of economic crisis. That's like industrial dystopia 101. Inflation, strikes, work stoppages and shortages galore.
>>90308173>I am shitposting and you can't do anything about it... and that's supposed to be good... how?
HYPERBOREAN invasion. All civilians will become SKIN SLAVES.
>>90308330>you can't do anything about itAccept your fate or rage against it. In the end it's all the same.
>>90308330How exactly is he "shitposting"? Sounds like you're projecting
>>90309659How does this interact with the pajeet invasion? Let's not forget they're the TRVE aryans in this... much to think about.
>>90310556>How exactly is he "shitposting"?He literally makes 20 threads a day on every board and they're always about the topics I don't like!
The problem about threads like these is that you have to accept other people's really bad contributions for the thread to work. It's not fun, it's a sewer.
>>90311154You should stop making these threads if you dislike being in them so much.
>>90311708buddy, it ain't me
>>90307311why should i work for you for free?
>>90312060You're hanging out in a thread you don't like, and you're not even the OP?
>>90312088You don't have to, that's the neat part :) If you don't like this thread you can simply hide it.
>>90312106I am only here to complain.
>>90312126Based hard-working anon keeping his nose to the grindstone.
>>90311154>you have to accept other people's really bad contributions for the thread to worknot true
When tuned to the right frequency, radios are picking up signals they should not. The first radio transition ever received was shortly after the radio was first invented, where an apparently mundane woman talked about her day - a second radio had not been built yet.
>>90307311Holy shit is this a mothefucking Stanisław Lem reference?
how about this:there's a faction of tough dudes who may have a rough reputation as rapists, but they also have a surprisingly chill side. They value loyalty, friendship, rape, and enjoying life's adventures together. While they may have a rapacious streak, they strive to make positive changes in their world.These dudes go by the name of "The Chill Rapegades." They're all about embracing the wild side while staying true to their laid-back nature
>>90307311Sit in the chair Harry
>>90307311>For [INSERT REASON(S) HERE] most people have lost faith in a better tomorrow and now it seems like the world is simply sleepwalking to its doom, shell-shocked and mute.For the people of the Movic Confederation, watching the wider world tear itself apart in a great war is the cause of their disillusionment. Although that war ended, many see the peace as merely a veneer over the problems brewing across the continent. Although their fierce dedication to neutrality spared them much of the horrors, the radio brought a constant bombardment of casualty reports and descriptions of no man's land. In the government house in Budyak-Nahirski, fierce debates rage about whether a nation of three languages and three peoples can stand divided against monocultural neighbors
>>90307311The world is a long-lost colony world. While human civilization in the greater galaxy has declined to techno-barbarism gnawing at the borders of an alien federation in the midst of its golden age (if the Ayys are the Romans, then humans the Germans), this world is completely cut off from their interstellar neighbors. This is done intentionally: the powers that be don't want to be dragged into a shit fest between one pirate horde or another... Or worse: Lizard Kirk and Lion Riddik inspiring an uprising.
>>90328588>"Today we have a big bounty... Ho yeah, some big wigs want this one: Jaxson. Yes, the notorious mass murderer escaped the Death World and, it's believed, made it across the border in a hijacked cargo ship. So far, both the Red Talons and the Blawkhawk Elite have denied harboring the notorious killer even as the OSI threatens more Federal sanctions. Inspector Zarlon suspects that he may have hit an unknown system.">"Suspect is 245 pounds, 6'5, with blue skin. He's Tarellian, so his body is adept for heavy gravity and capable of crushing rookie bounty hunters with his bare hands. Yeah guys, this is a big one. Only experts should go after this guy... Anyway... Five million credits for the one who brings him in, dead or alive.">The holoscreen flicked away and Jaxson cracked his knuckles. His eyes, safe behind his goggles, flickered with amusement. So the Feds have got every two bit asshole bounty hunter in the galaxy after me, he thought bemusedly before turning towards the mess of a planet he crashed into. Primitive, and populated by humans... He would be running this shithole in a month. >Jaxson grabbed his knife and walked over the landing ramp.
>>90328588>Early industrial era, nylon is a new technology>Spaceships!!!Anon
I've been gone for awhile... A... Long while.The Nazis are back, this time on another planet.They put the world on fire now they're doing the same here.There's a war on...Another depression...A plague... One unlike anything I've ever seen...Aliens...Guess I got some work to do.
>>90308037I noticed that too. For whatever reason, OP keeps trying to steer threads into one general direction:>A 'quirky' 1930s setting.>Nazis win.>Usual fantasy races around. >Nazi woo.Hence why you have a fantasy setting with Trolls and a medieval village then... Airships. And he really hates Obama.
>>90333142I think the "usual fantasy races around" thing is something that happens naturally, it's not any particular person. Anon with low investment looks at the thread without getting too into it, thinks he should make a contribution, and decides to add orcs/elfs/dwarfs because it's what settings in general tend to have.
/tg/ already made an industrial setting.
>>90308037Often these threads only work if there is a single person who takes the reigns to create ~50% of the setting themselves. As an example Leviathan:>>90333813>>90333843Had a single thread runner who both made the map and made the compass with other's contributions but with him being a main driving force. It also caused the setting to just die the second he lost interest and a few people got resentful he no longer acted as a driving force.
OP once again, failed to expand on his own setting. The most interesting part is... Blue Man Riddik.
>>90333843That map actually looks good. Wish I had a GM who cared enough to make a map like that in a game I was in.
>>90333843It looks a bit like the Baltic sea, if you squint.
>>90334549Yeah, turn it 90 degrees and squint and you can see the shape.
>>90334564I rather meant in the original orientation,Russia = MasoviiFinland = Sedge WetlandsEstonia = The LechteLatvia = FreeskalonLithuania = JasentorfSaaremaa = Oraroho
>>90334599Yeah I can see it. Lapsaria is actually supposed to be the one who is culturally russian. The story of the setting is supposed to be:>the political elite of Lapsaria recently got embroiled in a new religion that is 100% connected to intelligent oceanic entities with magic powers>the previous Tsar made some deal with the oceanic entities and a rebellion occurred in Lapsaria culminating in the Rebellion of Capri Bay which ended in the oceanic entities aiding the royal faction in destroying the rebels (this caused the destruction of the partially constructed new royal capital)>the nation is now in decay and decline with the oceanic entities pushing for territorial gains>Lapsaria has become a highly militaristic police state with it pushing out in all directions & keeping enormous labor camps (like Gorin Camp)>the most recent territorial gains/failures were a push west that failed because they also had oceanic support and the successful annexation of the Durit Steppes (which are roughly the size of France)>The Durit Peoples are staunchly religiously for an older stone religion that may or may not be real and may just be about huffing powered stones that fuck up your anatomy
>>90333142to be fair, the airships was me, and I started it on the fourth post when there wasn't anything that made it egregiously out of place. And I stopped when it was clear the thread was going in a different direction.
>>90308037>>90308055Giant Step is run by literally one incredibly autistic guy who uses his phone to reply to himself so it looks like there are two IPs in the thread. Look at the next Giant Step thread before the people who troll him start posting and check the IP count.He also threw gigantic temper tantrums and spammed reports (he announced he was doing so) whenever anyone posted anything he didn't like. It's super pathetic that he's been doing this for a year and should show you what level of contemptible autist "runs" """"""/tg/""""""" makes a setting threads.
Since OP is a faggot who abandoned his own thread... Again. I'll write up the forms of left-leaning Socialism that developed on this world:>Socialism, a dirty word according to the likes of the Bourgeoise, has taken many forms through the course of human history. While most Socialist Parties are underground institutions, struggling against the dominant Business Magnates and Military Governments, they've had a long and steady evolution that dates back to the first half of the last century with the different ideologies each reflecting different aspects of labor and Capitalist exploitation. These are:>Utopians: an Agarian-Luddic movement that formed after people lost their jobs to the march of the industrial revolution and refused to be worked to death in a mill. Very religious and follow the works of Nathaniel Scott. While one sees them as a failed movement, one cannot help but look at society and how it discards people to the side and see their point.>Becketism, Social Democrats: Thomas Beckett was an economic theorist that proclaimed that the markets needed a light guiding hand that would intervene when things would prove to be damaging to the economy. The dominant form of socialism today.>Union Theory: the 'Union of Workers' was a concept developed by Economic Theorist Randy Smith that posited that workers needed to band together and to use their labor as a bargaining chip with the Bourgeoise. >Maximism: the second largest and most popular echelon of Socialist thought. Came out of the writings of one Edward Maximillian who posited that the government needed to control all aspects of the market in order to ensure that the workers needs would be meant. >Technocrats: arguably a more extreme version of Maximism. These ideologues propose a society completely under the yoke of an upper party led by the most 'able' to make decisions based upon their areas of expertise.
we should do something as based as what they've got going on over in giant step>>90326518
>>90336038Utopianism: people pushed to desperation as their jobs were lost to the never-ending march of progress showing that our society not only callously tosses people to the side, but it looks down upon them as well. While most accepted their grim position and disappeared into the mills, some of these men followed Preacher Nathaniel Scott instead who led them to an isolated patch of wilderness where they would make a commune free of 'sinful temptation' and 'the machinations of the devil.' While the Commune failed in a year, it's ideas about giving the old and feeble support instead of leaving them to the mercies of sanitoriums would prove to be an aspect admired by later 'true socialists' who sympathized with their situation. An aspect of Scott's utopia was the complete lack of a true currency. Everything was exchanged through barter. Another aspect was the commune's complete isolation from the outside world. Ultimately, Scott's Town couldn't face economic realities and the town's economy completely collapsed after a bad harvest that was caused due to using Medieval plows and folklore in an environment unfamiliar to the Utopians. While Scott's town proved itself to be a failure, the ideals of Utopianism lived on with more communes that would periodically appear. The ideals espoused by the Utopians are: >No currency.>No leaders.>The Community acts as one. >The Community looks after its own. >Every decision is voted on. >No one owns anything for the concept of property itself is inherently against nature.>Machines not guided with the hands of man are dangerous and sinful.Most Utopian societies fail in a matter of months, which is part of the reason why later schools of Socialist thought view them as a cautionary tale. One that's sympathetic and admirable, but in a great irony... Ultimately proved itself to be just as vulnerable to the march of history that they rejected.
Fucking hell. OP doesn't get the Retard /pol/ject he wants so he bails.
>>90337828have you tried being positive.... like ever?!
>>90338432Add something to the setting, OP. It can't just be us.
>>90307311>nation or sub-nation sized mapsthis shit is hard to do and make it plausible keeping the IRL inspirations intact and recognizable. Bunches of things are inter-reliant.
>>90336038Beckett and the origins of Social Democracy: Thomas Bekett was a student of the great economic historian, Mark Trumper, who wrote the famous 'Wealth of Nations' that posited that the free market was the bedrock for society and that the key to generating wealth was to specialize the work force for individual tasks that workers can then use to barter for more economic influence and that an indirect tax on the wealthy was needed to help alleviate poverty on the working poor, with the market ultimately deciding what was needed. Becket went even further with his writings and proclaimed that the market needed a guiding hand to keep society from producing extreme poverty and social stratification. While he agreed with Trumper that higher quality products would sell, Trumper also saw the inherent dangers of a monopoly forming and that Companies would eventually reach a position of dominance where they would no longer need to compete and thus constantly cut costs and make goods of lower make and quality which as he wrote, "would end in social stratification and poverty as the market no longer needs to stay competitive." This was a huge problem with Trumper's economic world view so Beckett published, almost in reaction to 'Wealth of Nations,' the 'Importance of Intervention,' which would later prove to be the framework for many social ideas. In his work, Becket believed that the government needed to maintain a 'guiding hand' in the economy. Breaking up companies that had grown too big, offering subsidies to needed industries like the mills of his time, and governments being able to judge and even close industrial units that were actively harming society which was a direct reaction to the massive slums that formed in the wake of the Industrial Revolution. Beckett, as a result, was the bedrock for the Social Democrats who built upon his work.
>>90307311>[INSERT REASON(S) HERE]everyone moved to the cities for work (promise and rumours and actual) but new machines have created a burst of efficiency and not everyone is getting work and are living slum conditions as their former villages are depopulating
>>90338935Unions and Constructivism: Randy Smith was a man who came from a family of fishermen. While most critics deride his works as coming from an ignorant prole who spent too long cutting up endangered fish and taking corals, Smith would use that as evidence to support his belief that the intelligentsia were smitten to the Bourgeoise. Smith wrote 'The Factory,' a somewhat biographical work where he merely explored the daily activities at the meat processing plant in which he worked, even describing an incident where a man fell into the cutter. But he didn't stop there, he also wrote: "the Federation of Workers,' in which he theorized that if workers came together they could push for better working conditions which would increase the value of their labor thus boosting their wages. While Unions already existed, the publishing of the book (and the subsequent formation of the 'Federation of Workers') gave the Unions and organized labor more legitimacy but incensed the established craftsmen who believed that the lower classes were launching an conspiracy to raise their wages. Smith was killed, with his body dumped into a lake but this just angered and radicalized members of the Federation who then produced a new theory called 'Constructivism.' Constructivist theory has been described as:>"All society is defined as being beholden to the struggles between class. But as society grows, new things are needed to be made and constructed which boosts the value of your labor and thus, your word. Unions and workers break the struggle of class by seizing the means of production. When production units are labor owned, the value of labor increases leading to more workers seizing more power for themselves thus breaking the cycle of struggle." While most Unions today have moved onto more modern forms of Socialism, the ideas of Constructivism can be seen today. Labor owned businesses have appeared infrequently through the past century. Most notably Union Teamsters.
>>90339263The Joe Hill Rebellion and it's Consequence: while the death of Randy Smith spiked anger among the labor movement, things hit a breaking point at the Sterling Rail Company. William Sterling, a wealthy business magnate, aimed to drill a tunnel through a massive mountain range in order to finish his massive trans-continental rail-line. The project was ambitious but dangerous and incredibly taxing on the workers as Sterling was notorious for cutting costs whenever he could leading to poorer quality tools and iron but the situation ended with a strike when Sterling unveiled his new drill train that would supposedly make the rail workers obsolete. Joe Hill, the son of a slave and a coal miner, a giant of a man, stood up and reportedly said to a Foreman: "to hell with your train!" And raised his hammer up high. The workers rose up with him and formed barricades around the tunnel. At first Sterling wrote it off as a temporary setback and sent in the train anyway. It didn't take long for the workers to turn it into scrap metal. This bold display of open rebellion among workers sent shockwaves through the upper echelons of society who leaned upon the president to intervene by sending in the army. In addition, the fact that the rebellion was led by a free black man terrified slave-owners all over the country thus making military intervention a necessity.At midday, the calvary led by General Armstrong who had just finished massacring another native tribe, arrived and laid siege to the mine. At first the miners persisted with Armstrong's offers of leniency for white workers ironically falling on deaf ears. Finally at Midday on the Twelfth, Armstrong blew his trumpet and artillery tore the palisade to shreds leading to a massacre. 54 people died due to the army wildly firing into the tent city. Including Joe Hill himself though Armstrong said they had him lynched. This rebellion forced Socialist parties to go underground after public outcry led to their banning.
>>90339391Syndicalism, Totalism, Automatonism, and other Second Wave movements: after the banning of all Socialist Parties by the Presidency, the Socialists were forced to move underground which led to a wide range of differing Socialist ideologies. This diversity was partly brought upon by the censorship and the great distance between ideologues who faced prison time for their theories on labor and while there are many, three stand out:>Syndicalism: a theory that posits that workers are unionized according to industry, using strikes to seize the means of production by force. A more extreme variant of Constructivism which saw the economy changing through pure market pressure.>Totalism: a theory that states that an elected central committee creates the most economic efficiency by having direct control over the economy. This 'planned' economy would then serve the needs of the population as the committee would have a vested interest in efficiency. >Automatonism: a theory that runs against Totalism as Automatists believe that governmental control is inefficient. Instead, they believe that decentralized economic communities would lead to the most efficiency and prosperity with the elected community leaders working together.Other variants of the Second Wave have popped up through the years, but these three still have adherents in the biggest cities. Even if they're just regulars at coffee shops, professors sleeping with graduate students, and local eccentrics. But their writings would give inspiration to another ideology.
>>90339520Maximism, Empire for the Strongest: Maximism is a curioius product of the Socialist schools of thought as it's directly tied with nationalist ideas, is the most economically moderate, yet fully agrees with the idea that the workers are being oppressed. Edward Maximillian was a soldier who began to grow enamored with the draw towards Militarism and Stratocraticism but explored Socialist ideas after witnessing the callousness of the officers during the war. He agrees with the Socialists that the Bourgeoise care not for the plight of workers or common soldiery, that the poor and feeble of society need to be looked after (his Mom had a stroke and was in a sanitorium) but disagrees with Unions, especially the idea that soldiers could vote in their officers of choice as discipline needs to be maintained.In addition, Maximillian has some other ideas that often-run counter to his Socialist peers. In particular, the concept of a nation:>Civic Nationalism: "People have an identity. Nations are not just lines on a map, they're communities full of likeminded people who have a right to their existence. So in essence, yes, Nations do exist.">The need for Empire: "All nations exist to grow stronger, and the economy needs to keep growing in order to boost production thus making it's people more prosperous. Much like animals nations need to be strong in order to survive the jungle.">Religion: "Religion and God allow us humans to rise above our base natures for as the medievalists say, he gave us the ability to reason. And reason leads to discipline which leads to us breaking the chains of instinct and finding our liberty. God is thus forth, deeply intwined with our values and the state."Later writers, even men sympathetic like Osmund Huxley and Matthew Bradley, have largely stepped away from Maximillian's religious worldview in favor of a materialism more in line with Stratocracism. But that hasn't stopped Maximillian's words from reaching disenfranchised veterans.
>>90339661Technocracies, Cogs, and the Obliteration of the Self: described as one of the coldest, blockiest, and coldest of the Socialist schools of thought, Technocracy initially meant that only those with vast technical knowledge could lead society but later writings would go even further and state that humans are ultimately just cogs in a greater civilizational machine and that, in truth, they lack true identities save for the leadership who are also numbers in the 'Civilizational Computational Vortex' though these writings are rare and hard to find. Most Technocrats are just Engineers and science leaning intelligentsia who agree with the assertion that they should lead society as only they know how the world works from mathematical equations. It's been called the party of egotism for a reason as every Technocrat is an 'expert' who presumes that he would clearly be one of the chosen few in charge of a truly technocratic society. Common Technocratic thought can be summed up as:>The State needs to control all aspects of life and society as the Technocrats would know what's best for humankind. Humans need supervision in order to live.>Civilization is just one vast machine and like all machines, it's what it's wielder makes of it.>All labor needs to be micromanaged in order to reach peak machine efficiency.>The vast majority of humans need orders so they can function. Think of the brain as if it's an organic computer: programmable and malleable to the whims of it's master.>Humans are irrational so we need a rational leadership to lead.And buried deep in old bookcases:>Man is a cog in a machine driven by instinct. By obliterating instinct and irrationalism, we become a rational species who builds and acts like a tool.>The Self does not exist. It will not exist. It's concept is irrational and thus harmful, wishful thinking and woo. Humans are a unit, able to be calculated. The Self Must Be Obliterated.
>>90339793And with that, I give you two hundred years of labor history and theory. Feel free to add your own flavor of Commie, these guys either set the framework, were swept along by the tides of history, or were influenced by earlier writers and each other.
>>90339793>*blockiest and brutalDamnit. That fucking typo.
Since I put too much work into the Left Wing, here's a few more Commies for your amusement.The Third Wave, the Red Menace: with the rise of the Spenglerites and the Andorians in the intellectual world, the closed circles of the Socialists embraced more transformative varieties of socialism. While these are largely schools of thought, they have appeared in the political world as fringe third parties. A few of these are:>The United Farmers, Agrarians: In the Great Plains, flyover states neglected by the central government, some farmers have turned towards the United Farmers, a political party that puts the issues besetting the agricultural world front and center including the rising costs of milk and grain which has had an increasingly devastating impact on local economies. They demand government intervention to address these issues, including rising illiteracy and a new phenomenon called 'dust storms' that are devastating farmland on the open range. More Social Democratic than they are truly Socialist with moderate economic policies that just seek to benefit the Agrarian world.>The Black Action League: men with dark skin have always been shunned by the upper echelons society, leading to some of their number turning towards socialist schools of thought in order to find meaning, an outlet for anger, and an engine for social change. These are largely just black intellectuals who read dusty boring books in the 'colored' section at the local library that the white kids didn't want to read, but those 'boring' books talked about how 'the man was keeping them down' which led to the rise of social rights movements as those kids got older. They prefer strikes and protests to outright violence.>Progressivism: Society must change and right it's ills! Yes, this is the nutty part of the left wing with eugenics, lobotomies, the Agrarian-Black world conspiracy, and other nutty ideas. For the most part, these guys just run around screaming that they're not taking vaccines.
>>90338666I'm not OP
>>90342911you could still try to contribute>>90340652>left wing stuffTop stuff, anon. Some of it seems to imply a socialist new world. Was that something you want to see incorporated into the setting?
>>90343624I already did
>industrial settingyou mean: garbage that no one likes?just play troika/gonzo
>>90343624Sure. The Socialist Parties, unless someone wants to make their own Soviet Pastiche or Anarchokiddies, are largely underground. At most, they're third parties usually tied with another faction. The Farmers for instance, likely support a Huey Long and the Black Action Leagues are inseparable from the desegregation movements.
Jews, black people and germanics of any kind don't exist within this setting.
>>90344243>Devedians: a olive skinned race of men who descend from the ancient Kadeshi. An urban race that took to usury in order to survive. Largely seen as exotic eye candy for this curious new 'pornography' industry. >Keshan, Nassai, Garumbo, Maanani, Ayan, Negro-Columbians, and more: black people. Mostly sitting in colonial dominions these days... The islanders are pretty chill though. >Goths and their descendants: golden haired men who speak a germanic-ish tongue. Their linguistic sphere includes the Frieslanders, Ostravians, Saxmen, Sudenlanders, the Oranjese, the peoples of Svorgald and Kalgrim, among others. They do now, sonny.
>>90344575Goths are not "germanic-ish", they are literally germanic, Anon-kun. Gothic language = east germanic language.More to the point, I wanted to distance from common tropes (4chan is 4chan so all posting devolves into niggers and jews, and 4chan is an English-language board where half the users are from US so Anglo(-American) civilization is the overused default option and should be removed) so that this one won't be like every other one.Why do you want every setting to be literally the same setting?Are you one of those people whose idea of entertainment is reading Garfield strips every day, just for the sake of the comfort of feeling that everything always stays exactly the same?
>>90344673if that was your goal, you should've replaced them with something else.Also, whats the point of replacing Anglo civilization if everything is translated into english anyway?
>>90344794>if that was your goal, you should've replaced them with something else.You're not making any sense. You're the one saying we should replace things with identical things.
>>90344803>You're the one saying we should replace things with identical things.where did I say that, anon? My point is that wholesale removing things like >>90344243 is less useful to the setting and thread. I don't mind those things not existing but taking out cultural grounding elements leaves other anons struggling to replace them.
>>90344673But...>>90339391>>90340652These posts have literal black people in it. I mean, shit. There's a picture of a black man. You're a fucking idiot.
>>90344891And he, probably the OP, didn't read my Left Winger lore. A barrage of names that sound like they came out of New England, and a literal picture of a black man, and... He gets rid of it. I guess he's still pushing for his National Bolshevik Slav Reich or wants Pajeet World.
>>90344951>Pajeet Worldnah, he had a rogue wave sink their island, remember?
>>90344673Also,>tropesYou know, I blame TV tropes for the over cataloging of everything in media. To the point where actual tropes, which are just writing tools, are lost in the sea of 'cliches' like 'blonde guy,' and 'hipster guy,' and... I dunno, 'car.' So, as a consequence, Redditors see everything as cliche. Have a hot girl serving coffee? "Oooohhhh, that's so cliche! Why isn't she ugly?" When TV tropes started cataloguing 'things' scarcely related to the plot in question, or real life in general, the site lost its purpose.And even then, tropes are not bad at all. Neither are cliches... In fact, cliches are cliches because they work so well as storytelling tools. But what's particularly amusing would be the tendency for Redditors to view East Asian and Pajeet slop as 'exotic' because they haven't been exposed to it. Otherwise, they'd see a shitload of cliches. My rant is now over.>>90344981Now I remember! A tidal wave conveniently killed all the brown people... And Barak Obama still ended up as the Fuher. Also, OP if you're reading this, having 'Spengler' as the strongest philosophical point of view yet having no German people somehow either tells me you both fail to read your own threads, and are colossally retarded.
>>90344673>Makes a thread.>Has a literal German guy as the OP image.>Doesn't contribute anything at all, so Anons are left wondering just what the fuck they're supposed to do, so the thread just dies.>Only real contributions of note are Socialist Theory (very well written), John Henry taking the place of John Brown, and... Blue Riddik. >"NoOOO! No germans and black people, they're SO cliche!"Yeah, ignore this faggot. If you want Germans and Jews, do it. In fact...>The Friesland has become one of the strongest in the world. With colonies in the far south like Kesh and on the other side of the globe like Neu Rotterland, her future looks bright. Women of breeding already visit their colonies in the Columbian tropics for a summer of carefree retreat. indeed
>>90345381Let me rewrite that:>The Empire of Friesland has become one of the strongest in the world. With colonial holdings in the far south like Kesh and on the other side of the globe like Neu Rotterland, her future looks bright. Women of breeding already visit their colonies in the Columbian tropics for a summer of carefree retreat. Indeed, Frisian itself has become a language known to most of the civilized world much to their delight and prestige.
>>90345409And while we're at it:>The Oranje are descendants of Frieslander nobles who were displeased with the loss of the Oranje faction during the troubles of the 17th Century so they decided to settled in the Columbian tropics. Shipping in slaves from the Southlands that they unironically called, 'serfs,' they spent ten years living as feudal nobility in exile. But that came to an end as their attempts to inspire the 'Ancien Regime' failed and the Frieslanders decided to crack down on the rogue colony. A new colonial authority was established.>But the Oranjese identity persisted, even if it's now just a quaint dialect of Frisian. Most of the 'serfs' were sold off. Visit the Oranje Islands! Nothing but tanned blonde chicks and the occasional salty whaler.
Despite being dragged into the great war by a tangle of obligations, Friesland managed to avoid much of the geographic horrors of war, merely losing an entire generation of young men. Since the destruction visited so few of the Freisland cities, and even allowed modest expansion, the economic power therein facilitated their rise.Scholars agree that the beginnings of that terrible war were the abortive assassination attempt on Knyaz Alexei IV and the May Revolution.
>>90344673>Are you one of those people whose idea of entertainment is reading Garfield strips every day, just for the sake of the comfort of feeling that everything always stays exactly the same?And Garfield is the most popular comic series here. Especially in the Slav Reich you're going to push again.
>>90345516Alexei the IV, it should be said, wasn't a terrible ruler. He was born to the House of Vorontsov, a noble dynasty that had fallen to decline and married a woman of low birth named Sophia. This angered the old traditionalists who despised Sophia for what she represented, fueling their anger towards the Salians for what they saw was a missed opportunity. "Why not marry her off to a Friesland noble or one of their many neighbors? What next, a black prime minister?" They had said. Eventually things came to a head with a rival family, the Naryshkins, attempting to assassinate Alexei where they hoped to use the outcry of the nobility to push their own candidate for the throne. The assassination ended poorly, and the foreign origin of the assassin in question led to their Empire declaring war in retaliation.
The Memory of Joe Hill lives on. While the governments of the world still have a low opinion of the rebellion, especially after the May Revolution, Hill is used as a rallying cry by the black action leagues whenever their protests are broken up by the police. >"No more!" They chant, like their hero did when he faced the drill train. Joe Hill has even appeared in art from the May Revolution.
>>90307311Needs more trains
>>90345712thankfully for you, there are Hill type armoured trains. Its said that the May Revolution was carried on the backs of captured trains like this. Somewhat ironic that Joe fought against a train, and now they carry his name. This example was seized after the revolutionaries driving it inadvertently crossed the border.
>>90345712The Train has become one of the symbols of Revolution used by both the left (kind of ironic considering who Hill was and his significance to Unions) and the right. It symbolizes progress and industrial might that tears apart the old order. The train has appeared in artwork belonging to both Socialists and Nationalists, and has faced disdain from more autocratic circles due to it representing their weakening grasp on power. In truth, revolutionaries and reactionaries were using trains during their revolutions, coups, and various power struggles thus making the Train's ideological association purely symbolic in an aesthetic sense.In more Democratic societies, the Magnates just shrug and make sure the trains come in on time. While they're slowly drifting towards big-rig trucks and plains with trains being reserved for heavy cargo, trains are still well used by the citizenry. Particularly in the great plains where the towns are often heavily isolated with most still using horse and buggy. As the Materialist writer Gorbalev wrote:>"Things carry value and meaning because we humans ascribe them to them. We give scepters value due to their association with the old order. So to tear apart the old order, we must give new things new value... Values more representative of the proletariat. Thus the train, a tool of Capitalists and Autocrats, became a symbol of revolution."
>>90345649Although Francis St.Laurant had not directly participated in the attempt on Alexei IV's life, his involvement with the conspirators led to his immediate detention. And, since it had been the policy of the Capetian Kingdom to aggressively defend the king's subjects, the Kingdom's entry to the war was inevitable.
While the revolutionaries have adopted the train, the adherents of the old order have taken to the horse as their chief symbol. The horse represents strength and power, and the horse's historical significance to the upper echelon's of society can't be understated. For much of human history, only the wealthy could afford the horse. The historical Equestrian societies and the Knighthood attest to the value and the expense of equines in the pre-industrial period. Even in the early modern period when the peasantry and craftsmen began to own horses and use them as beasts of burden, the nobles served the in the calvary and still bred horses as a status symbol.There's also a classically reactionary bent to the Horse and the Train: the natural world running against that of progress which scars the world with its rails and buildings that disrupts the world around it thus making change inherently dangerous, symbolically. In truth, horses are used by both groups for a myriad of reasons. And in Samuel Breckenridge's novel, 'White Hoof,' the main character gets abused by men from all levels of society. Indeed, Breckenridge even criticizes the romanticization of equines and portrays the aristocracy as a class of hypocrites who gladly left the horse behind for automobiles.However, in the plains and the deserts of the western hemisphere, the horse is still relevant. And though their time is gone, the age of the gunslingers having ended with the natural death of Arthur Smith, the horse and the rider has taken a different form... One not unlike that of a knight errant or the dashing gentleman. One defined by rugged independence and freedom... The Cowboy.
>>90307311Genuine question:What would an industrial society look like (could one exist) without fossil fuels?Say in an alternate history humans either don't have coal or don't discover oil/fossil fuels. We have fire from burning wood, but don't have combustible materials that fueled large-scale industrialism. What does the world look like several hundred years from, say 1500 onward?Do we get world expansion? Any sort of advanced technology? Do we figure out electricity/physics?
>>90347263The lack of fossil fuels implies that the world was lifeless before the coming of man. So...>>90328588>>90328731Oh shit. Blue Man Riddik is real!
>>90347480>Underneath the old bridge I first met my friend. It was the start of autumn, leaves fell and blew in the wind, leaving the ground a patchwork of browns and yellows. The bridge used to lead to the old mill, where teamsters would pass as they picked up the next set of textiles but it had closed a decade ago. Now nobody came here, and all you had now was a vast and mysterious forest.>I came here to think, to cool off, to flick rocks into the river. And as I stood at the bank, tossing rocks into the stream, I saw a blue rock sitting in the river. Then it came upwards, and I saw goggles with black lens that turned into a body the more it rose. He was wearing a black skin-tight suit with a jagged knife at his side and approached me. >That's when I met my friend. He pointed at me and said something I couldn't understand. It was like listening to a dog trying to imitate human speech. I stared at him, and he stared back. Then he chuckled and grinned before pointing to an apple he was carrying. >It took a full two minutes before I understood what he was saying. "You want... More?" My blue friend rubbed his stomach and pointed towards the town. Nodding, I ran back to my home and grabbed some of my Mom's pears. She was out in the living room playing the piano so she didn't notice.>When I came back, I saw my friend throwing his knife into the tree. I offered him a pear and he snatched it. My friend grinned as I stared at his knife, jagged and covered with words and symbols I didn't understand. I wanted to throw like that, I wanted a knife like that, but I didn't want to annoy him so I watched him show off. Backhanded throws, forward throws, and all through those goggles of his.>Finally it was dark and I had to go home. My friend wanted to know where I lived so we walked to the edge of the road, making sure no teamsters would drive by, and pointed at our house that stood at the edge of town. He grinned and made a symbol with his hand that meant, "see you later!"
While the revolutionaries struggle to build new societies, the upper crust of the new world live in decadent splendor. Staying out of the war, these republics instead grew fat and wealthy by making arms sales, loaning money, and focusing on expanding their own modest colonial holdings which has put them in a very strong position economically. It has also legitimized isolationism, especially after the failed intervention during the May Revolution which tells the Gatsbys and Fords and Lidenbergs and Ryans that there's no need to shake up the status quo. But all things come crashing down, and an economy stacked on a deck of cards comes down harder still.
Unlike Freisland, the low-lying Polderland republic took the brunt of most of the fighting. Because of the numerous breaches of the dikes, intentional and otherwise, Polderland has lost nearly 20% of its territory. As a consequence, much of the country's population has moved into the city. This influx of people, along with the destruction, created an atmosphere of desperation and decadence as people did anything to escape their troubles, at least for a moment. In the years after the war, decadence has become a lifeblood just as much as trade. In Basstad in particular, anything goes. Even homosexuality receives less scorn than in other nations. Naturally, any sort of deviancy garners curiosity, and scholars from the world over debate sexual, political, economic, and every other form of liberalism between trips to the Talkies.
Columbia and it's Origins, an unbiased and truthful annotated summary: The new world was discovered by Robert Coleman set sail across the Atlas Ocean and spotted land. This marks the beginning of the trans-Atlantean exchange. This exchange was saw the transfer of flora, fauna, and most all: people from the old world into the occident. The first colonies were small, mostly mining camps and trading posts, but grew as the colonial holdings became more productive leading to the colonists acquiring more land. This was done by trading with the natives. But things came to a head in the 17th Century. Columbia, the most successful of the Frieslander holdings, rose up in revolt against their rightful king citing unfair taxation and the King's increasing dislike towards slavery. Led by John Monroe, a rogue general and a traitor who also owned slaves, the Columbians warred against the Lion Throne for five years. Ultimately, Monroe tricked Frieslands rivals into siding against it... Most notably Polderland, leading to the victory of the slaving traitors who bloodied the royal army. Columbia would then move against it's neighbors, pushed against the savages, and create a plantation aristocracy that would run counter to Monroe and the Conscript Father's messages of liberty and fraternity, to say nothing of the traitors who displaced the Oranje Family despite ruling righteously for centuries. Now here we are, the modern day, and bearing witness to their 'independence.' A strong economic power that has destroyed the Ancien' Regime that took more than a century to ban slavery like civilized powers, with corporations the buy out half-way colonial companies that enlighten and help the natives. It is thus forth our duty to stand against the republican menace and it's blight on men of breeding!