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>>89310662
>vast majority of the population is in blue territory
>vast majority of the DoD is loyal to the Feds
well, this is going to be a very short war.

>>89310662
>Colorado
>loyalty boosted by significant military presence

Lol, in the even of civil war, 80% of the military will side with the Republicans.

>>89310741
>80% of the military will side with the Republicans.
Not whichever side promises them more goodies?

>>89310741
>80% of the military will side with the Republicans.
lol, no. the majority of both the enlisted and the officers vote blue.
>https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/10/14/military-bases-swung-hard-away-from-republicans-in-2020
why the fuck would we be loyal to the party that hates veterans?
>https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2023/04/24/proposed-gop-cuts-would-slash-30-billion-from-veterans-spending/

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>>89310712
-_- Please dont read into these, i just saved them. just post a few

>>89310795
You can't tell fantasists about the Democrat-leaning military. They can't accept it because it violates their world view.

>>89310712
Any revolt would end quickly and brutally. There's a vast difference between actual operators and Meal Team Six.

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>>89310844
-_- please just post picture for my game

>>89310808
>>89310855
Try posting maps and scenarios that actually make sense.

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>>89310878
-_-

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>>89310951
Under what circumstances does the US allow all of its nuclear weapons to fall into the hands of rebels which would be the case here

Bump

>>89310662
>>89310887
>>89310855
Are these from thirdies dreaming?

>>89310844
I have never heard "meal team six" used by someone that could bench 225 lbs.
>Democrat-leaning military.
More like right-leaning and apolitical military. But if you only count non-Whites and queers, you're dead on.

>>89310795
Why would any conservative fight for a country that wants them dead and their children castrated? The GOP and DNC are both socially liberal, the GOP just lags by 10 years.

>>89312041
>I have never heard "meal team six" used by someone that could bench 225 lbs.
I'd hope so, that's baby weight. I have heard Meal Team Six used by a big black motherfucker that could bench 225kg though.

>>89312041
>The GOP [are] socially liberal
You're a fucking lunatic. Genuinely deranged. Touch some fucking grass.

Also, 225lb is nothing to bench, so after you touch grass, go fucking lift, lanklet. If you're 170lbs or more, you should be benching 300lbs or higher. If you're a sub 170lb manlet, you don't get to have an opinion on what is and isn't heavy.

>>89312041
>I have never heard "meal team six" used by someone that could bench 225 lbs.
I put up 12 at 225 so you technically still haven't.

>>89312041
>More like right-leaning and apolitical militar
I retired 2 years ago and was an independent voter my entire career but during that time the sole Republicans I considered voting for was John McCain and a local school board election. A lot of my peers didn't vote but the ones who did voted left. After all, they're not rich and likely never will be, so the GOP wasn't offering them anything. With the mask off shit trying to take away additional veteran's benefits, there's no chance in hell they can count on military votes.

More to the point I was trained in insurgency and counterinsurgency. I'm not just idly commenting when I say an insurgency would be quickly stomped out here. Those so-called patriots would surrender pretty quickly without access to the internet, running water, twinkies, and other modern conveniences.

But I refer back to
>>89310844
>You can't tell fantasists about the Democrat-leaning military. They can't accept it because it violates their world view.

>>89312041
>Why would any conservative fight for a country that wants them dead and their children castrated
I have no idea where you got those ideas from but the reason is the same a liberal would: you swore the oath and abandoning your brothers is the gravest sin you can commit.

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>>89313439
But on a more serious note...

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>>89312515
low IQ take.
Both parties are enlightenment based parties that share those fundamental beliefs, one simple resists while the other one pulls.
It's been questioned if the Neo-cons were trotskiests for liberalism for quite a while back in the 90s.
time is a flat circle, and everything you think matters doesn't.

>>89310855
you make this thread every other month faggot you should expect this you absolute amerigoblin
Instead pitch a fucking idea, instead of fucking spamming this boogaloo bullshit.
I think looking at post apoc shit would likely be better, either look at states, boil down their character and present that as a faction or draw on historical possibilities.
because the civil war is either very boring "ONE SIDE WINS" or shit you see in etheopia and south sudan but you don't have the ethnic angle most of the time and most people would see themselves as roughly America, at least in their immediate geographic locality.

i hope maine joins Canada, let them join the maritimes

>>89313161
the source that guy used was after 2020.
didn't your amerimutt general say he was purging the right winngers from the military too?
also you boys better enjoy it in the future.
End up like the rest of our nato militaries.

>>89313161
>More to the point I was trained in insurgency and counterinsurgency. I'm not just idly commenting when I say an insurgency would be quickly stomped out here. Those so-called patriots would surrender pretty quickly without access to the internet, running water, twinkies, and other modern conveniences.
This is a weird one, now as i understand don't you lads keep reasonably stocked State armies? of course not to the same standard of the federal one but you also want to hold the fucking states too and not just butcher everyone in them like you did from 'name onwards.
You're thumping your chest but like i don't believe this is clean cut innit?
any civil war as said is going to have millions of dollars worth of outside funding funnelled into it and it happening at all will fundamentally destroy your place as a world power, the resulting political and economic instability paving the way for a 3rd civil war almost immediately after. particularly with all the money, funnelled into the first one.

All you seem to be spouting is like some vague democrat power fantasy where you stomp your fellow man out (it's as stupid as the reverse but hey ho) where all your enemies are fat /k/ommandos

>>89314129
>low IQ take.
thanks for warning us. didn't read the rest of your drivel.

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>>89314209
>this nigga took the time out his day to pretend he isn't mad
congrats nigga.
you're wrong and stupid, ain't no amount of snark gonna change that.

>>89314129
>you make this thread every other month faggot
literally the first time i have made this thread

>>89314152
I don't know what you think you're saying.

>>89314198
>reasonably stocked State armies
Explaining the National Guard is complicated, but basically the National Guard was a compromise that allowed states to retain their militias after the National Security Act consolidated everything under the Department of Defense. National Guard and Air National Guard units are held to a slightly weighted standard of readiness to equivalent active duty units, with some notable exceptions. There are certain Guard units that are held to nearly full time readiness with active missions that require 247365 op tempos for the units.

So yes but also no.

I'm not sure who Strelkov is (the poseur, not the actual guy), but he isn't actual Red Team. There's a handful of units that work as Red Team and they're all special operations. Suffice to say his projections are just that: projections and not an authoritative assessment.

Critical infrastructure vulnerability isn't going to impact mil ops because the mil is set up to operate without working infrastructure as a matter of course given the nature of war zones. There's no chance of a 75% AWOL military. There aren't even official projections on that, but privately we talk about 10 to 15%. It's the prior service guys who are back in their indoctrination circles that concern us. But only for the first few weeks. They're not equipped for nor are they mentally prepared for the deprivation of an infrastructure hindered and resource constrained environment.

As I said, I was trained in conducting an insurgency. I was trained as infantry. I was trained as a breacher. Eventually I was trained as a ghost. As a result despite being retired I'm not really retired. I have a mil civ job and I regularly connect ghosts with vendors.

The other thing that people forget, because they look at maps without understanding them, is that there's zero chance "red" will hold that ground. Not enough boots. All the boots are on the coasts, right?

>>89312041
The military isn't remotely right leaning. When I was in, you weren't allowed to even lightly criticize Obama because "MUH COMMANDER IN CHIEF", as if I was sitting there plotting rebellion just because I didn't like how he handled immigration. But when Trump got in, it all reversed itself. Suddenly it was PATRIOTIC to criticize the President, and even actively undermine him.

>>89314445
Trump's disdain for the troops was met with disdain for him. You still couldn't badmouth the POTUS as an officer, though.

>>89314438
>I don't know what you think you're saying.
Didn't one of your big generals declare he was going to remove right wingers from the military, the one that posed with that book about white rage or something?

>>89314477
Probably? The DoD has been actively removing anyone with any potential connection to any extremist group, including right wing extremists from service. That's been true for at least five years and generously has always been true.

Affiliation, including in your family, is a flat out disqualifier for special operations.

>>89314438
>I'm not sure who Strelkov is
I think you're responding to someone else. I'm not making an argument about how the right is going to fucking win the boogaloo because "i got muh guns" or "muh infastructure" or even win at all. It's an economic thing. you have a big instance of civil unrest, the global faith in the dollar drops. people have already begun trying to circumvent your nation, and other nations are going to fund and supply anyone who wants to be armed in your nation to drag it out further. even if it's a quick mop up, it's going to give you Americans a big hit. china would be salivating at it because if in 10 years, 20 if you can't afford to keep your task forces by the south china seas they win.

Perhaps you have more insight on the matter but like i don't think it's going to go well because of how armed your population is, trained counter insurgency or not. sure your enemies can't flee to Pakistan and hide, they might be able to flee to canada and mexico but i don't expect them to get the support of either government. I mean you're trained in counter insurgency but like it doesn't sound to me like it's going to go over well. How many American civies are going to enjoy watching you kick down doors and smoke out their neighbours? how many of you are there even to go around for this shit, to brutally put down your own population. eitherway i kinda expect it to go over pretty poorly. you're not killing foreigners you're killing Americans in the streets. sounds like a powder keg to me.

Also are you seriously telling me you lads are actually just planning on how to go to ward with your own people?

> "red" will hold that ground.
that's their fantasy, i think the reality is they don't need to, they just need to wound the federal government the wrong way.
things wrap up sure, but that's not going to go away. hell your lot are still assmad about the first one. That's not going to go away, it'll be herpes and it's going to flare up again and again

>>89314438
>>89314588
follow up.
I'm doing some writing actually and i'm sure OP would be down to hear it. you free to share some of that counter insurgency stuff or are the feds gonna chimp.
Because be both know they're in this thread right the fuck now.

>>89314588
>How many American civies are going to enjoy watching you kick down doors and smoke out their neighbours
My neighbors are entirely leftists, so I'm completely fine watching them all be grenaded and the survivors hung from lampposts. They aren't legitimate Americans anyway.

>>89314676
that's neither very christian, American or nice of you.
Honestly i think it just cause more issues down the line.

>>89314588
>It's an economic thing.
Oh, this argument. Yeah, I doubt it. It would certainly be an opportunity and it would be cyberpunk as hell if we all started using EDies. But the USD is vestigial to the Bretton Woods-based economic system the entire world, for better or worse, relies upon. I'm not a financial analyst, though.

>people have already begun trying to circumvent your nation
China can't fuck around. They rely on the devalued yuan to afford food. Any drop in the value of USD would be met with a re-stake of the RMB in order to keep the rice coming.

>and other nations are going to fund and supply anyone who wants to be armed in your nation to drag it out further
This isn't 1780. Basically every country that can afford to fund insurgents is allied with our federal government. This is the underlying problem with Russia's plan to conquer Ukraine in 3 days. The established world order isn't interested in major shakeups.

>even if it's a quick mop up, it's going to give you Americans a big hit. china would be salivating at it because if in 10 years, 20 if you can't afford to keep your task forces by the south china seas they win.
I think I adequately covered this but if China fucks around, its people starve and the government collapses overnight. Russia used to be a potential bulwark against this, but Russia's ability to operate its agricultural sector has cratered with the loss of so many young men.

>i don't think it's going to go well because of how armed your population is, trained counter insurgency or not
Not to go too deep but I have hundreds of hours of firearms training. Not practice, just training. I am pretty typical of a career soldier. With practice/practical experience my time with firearms runs into the thousands. The typical insurgent in this sort of scenario has dozens into the low hundreds of hours of practice and training. The difference in quality of troop is going to be very telling.

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>>89310617
Proposed state boundaries that John Powell presented to Congress after his 1880s expedition, with boundaries along watersheds, to avoid water conflicts. obviously shot down, leaving us the mess we have today.

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>>89314721
and another watershed map, which would make really interesting state/country borders.

>>89313449
>...and if Russia, spoiler alert one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment...
jej

Why does every alt-history map thread devolve into US politics about wanting to kill their neighbours?
Oh wait, alt-history maps are the territory of people with autism.

>>89314764
In 2015 that's a reasonable statement, given Russian experience in their various regional conflicts. Obviously it's aged poorly and wouldn't be a reasonable statement in 2023. Things can change in 8 years.

>>89314711
>I doubt it
didn't your dollar take a hit when you had that pissing match after the election? also you guys are an empire, shit's more fragile then you think. t. brit.

>Any drop in the value of USD would be met with a re-stake of the RMB in order to keep the rice coming.
I don't follow, i simply do not have enough information here.

>The established world order isn't interested in major shakeups.
guess i can agree with this. though i think Russia's plans were let down by them being fundamentally incompetent and huffing their own farts. sure american support helps but like you're not just willing a defeat into their hands by sheer force of psychic power. you're supporting a population that wants to resist.

> The difference in quality of troop is going to be very telling.
well i agree with that, you guys are also going to be far better equipped but i think you missed my point. you're not killing some rando in 'nam or some arab in the multitude of places you invaded in the last 3 decades. you're killing your country men and that's a different prospect. I don't doubt you guys will stack bodies, hell i expect. but you are stacking a bunch of your own civvies in your own cities. You guys have a reputation of fucking destroying any fucking place you show up in. great for foreign nations you can then rebuild for a price, less so when it's your own people.
How do you guys expect to deal with that,
also you're going to have retards like >>89314676 trying to take advantage of this situation.

>>89310617
>Lost alaska
>But gain most of British Columbia
my anal retentive American is pleased and I would happily make this deal if Canada was game.

>>89314782
Mine is 100% autism, but I never go past 1960. Modern politics are too depressing to involve in my hobbies.

>>89310741
We have the nukes and NORAD, nigger

>>89310741
>NORAD don't count, massah!

>>89310741

Delusional thoughts from fantasy Island

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Notice how these places are ideal invasion points.

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Nuclear strikes map.

>>89316688

https://man.fas.org/dod-101/fac/conus.htm

>>89316699
Was this something an anon made, or based of some official scenarios?
I'm wondering why so many would be targeting some of the smaller western states in the 2000 warhead scenario - are those juts high pop counties, or some silo targets?

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Disappointing but unsurprising that this thread turned to politics.

>>89317403
Silos for sure

>>89311923
sadly they are almost always just rightoid fantasies

>>89310712
To be fair the American army gets a significant debuff against farmers.

>>89318924
Only if those farmers can easily flee across international borders and get a steady supply of aid from China, Russia, and Iran.

>>89317403

Usually you target not only the military but also the industry that can sustain such military.

>>89317403
Silos. The missiles aimed at cities are the ones for killing the most people and crippling US industrial outputs, that's why they're prioritized in the 500 warhead scenario. Without it's urban centers, the US is dead. It needs that wealth, labor, and knowledge base in order to sustain itself.

>>89318995
So what's the excuse for the Bay of Pigs botched invasion?

>>89312041
>The GOP and DNC are both socially liberal
The delusion of the average /pol/tard nazi is actively disabling. Holy shit.

>>89318995
Canada and Mexico

>>89319557
???

>>89319640
lmao, no.

>>89313161
>More to the point I was trained in insurgency and counterinsurgency.
You think being trained by the people who spent 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban is a point of pride?
Do you take what you learned and do the exact opposite or something?

>>89319656
The average American politician is a neocon in a doomsday cult with pre-enlightment social beliefs. The only difference between an american oligarch and an 18th century european lord is the fervor for capitalist markets replaces the monarchism and devotion to the pope. Anyone with any knowledge of world politics can see how anachronistic the American slave-based colonial politic-economy is. American neo-nazis don't have that knowledge, so they default into making up the opponents they wish they had instead.

>>89317403
Silos, USA have around 450 missle silos.
For 500 warheads youdon't bother because not enough nukes.
For 2000 warheads you can spare 500 to knock part of enemy nuclear capability(submarines will still fuck you tho).

If you want you can look nuclear missile silos on google maps, US ones are listed on wikipedia you can even street view, Russian ones you have to dig but still can find coordinates, satellite image is kinda low quality but you still can recognize them.

>>89319736
Touch some fucking grass kid, almost every single point you made is wrong with the majority of them being the exact opposite of reality

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>>89310617

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>>89319665
Says who?
>>89319736
Please, seek therapy and medication

>>89319894
>Says who?
Mexicans and Canadians.

>>89319905
I'm so glad we have you to not only read minds of nations, but to know the future as well.
>American gets invaded
>Guerilla warfare
>Our two physically closest allies ignore this on a national level
>All Mexican and Canadian citizens don't aid guerillas at all
Desu you're dumb lol

>>89310808
>-_- Please
Please kill yourself

>>89319978
>American gets invaded
We're talking about civil war, retard.

>Our two physically closest allies ignore this on a national level
They aid the feds, not the rebel farmers we're discussing.

>>89320025
>Amercans citizenry at war with hostile occupying force*
Fixed since you're braindead. >>89320025
>They aid the feds
So says you, you stupid nerd bitch

>>89320058
Stay mad and wrong, loser.

>>89317403
To my knowledge, this is a US made scenario for strikes against the US
If you only have 500 nukes, you want to ensure that your enemy has no capacity for war anymore. So, in the lucky event you survive the second strike, you are in a position to fight. And otherwise, at least both the US and you are broken
In a 2000 nuke scenario, you still want to commit to destroying the US capacity for war, but in addition, you have the excess nukes to strike at the storage and launch sites of the US nuclear arsenal annd command centres. This would give you a chance to prevent a second strike all together
Note the locations:
>Montana, Dakota and Washington: storage of nuclear weapons
>Wyoming: nuclear weapons and Cheyenne Mountain Complex

>>89316699
I don't know why, but the fact that Boise is spared in a 2000 warhead scenario always makes me giggle

>>89314782
Because they're always the product of a Coastfag not understanding how deeply Midwesterners hate each other, especially Wisconsin.

>>89317403
Silos or Transportation related Infrastructure.

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>>89316699
What the fuck kind of strategic significance does Utica NY and Oneida county have?

>>89314788
Yes, but given how the Russians have been faring currently, problems like don't just pop up over a few years

>>89320355
What we're seeing is the result of ~30 years of unchecked and rampant corruption in all sectors, yes.

>>89310795
This. They just promised citizenship to illegals who join to shore up the failing recruitment. What happens when you have legions of neo-foederati who fight not out of love of country, but for a place for their people to settle? Ask the late stage roman emoire.

>>89314788
>>89320355

It is still a reasonable statement. The reality is that most NATO members couldn't accomplish even a fraction of what Russia has done on their own, not without the US, that's for sure.

>>89320432
>What happens when you have legions of neo-foederati who fight not out of love of country, but for a place for their people to settle?
Worked before and the US was better off for it.

>>89320331
I think there is a base there for the Eastern Air Defense Sector, and an airport that also handles military aircraft too.

>>89320432
It's for legal permanent residents only. People without documentation (i.e. illegals) create a security risk because you have less of an idea of who the fuck they actually are compared to someone who does have papers.

Is there any good software to make custom maps of the US and the American continents in general?

>>89310662
>yoopers holding Lake Superior against Wyoming cavalry
Checks out

>>89320736
How lazy are you?

>>89320066
>>89320066
>Stay mad and wrong, loser.
>Disappears into the shadows like the whooped coawrd he is

>>89314711
Yet army and marine "marksmen" get destroyed by these inferior civvies in all shooting competitions

>so salty and mad he links the same post twice
lmao

>>89314711
Not to go too deep but I have hundreds of hours of firearms training.
>bubba potshots u from a duckblimd lmao

>>89320778
those "inferior" sportsmen are specialists that sink hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars into their niche sport to make a living off it and the Feds still have agents, officers, and enlistees regularly making Olympic shooting teams. a lot of those sportsmen also live in major metropolitan areas as they're millionaires with multiple properties across the country. average ruralite is a piss poor shot that struggles to afford ammo.

>>89320331
Putin got herpes last time he went there.

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>"Independent Nigger State"

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where my Last Land lads at?

>>89320331
I'll give you a hint and tell you its not aimed at utica

>>89321470
Well what is it aimed at then?

>>89320086
I take amusement in how the Upper Penensula of Michigan always fares, think Idaho gets absolutely screwed by Fallout.

>>89322319
>I take amusement in how the Upper Penensula of Michigan always fares
Whether nuclear war or +4C change in average temp, the UP always fares the best in projections. Lake Superior in general does. Why I'm buying as much as I can in the UP, the North Woods, and the North Shore.

>>89319711
>You think being trained by the people who spent 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban is a point of pride?
Those aren't the people who trained me. I'm not saying I read FM 3-24 or whatever it's been/being replaced with and sat through the five day course to be certified as a counter insurgency officer. You can try reading between the lines. Here's a little more help: in order to effectively train someone in insurgency tactics, you need a fairly complete education in counter insurgency tactics and strategy.

>>89320778
Both the Army and the Corps actually do well in shooting competitions. The Army Marksmanship Unit routinely wins medals at competition; this is because the Army works hard to recruit promising young shooters who do not have the insane financial resources necessary to participate in the sport at the highest level. The USAR Shooting Team also has a ton of top competitive shooters, many of whom participate in competitions as "civilians."

I'm honestly staggered you would make such a stupid claim.

>>89320870
There's also this. A lot of the top competitive shooters have financial resources that the Army can barely match for the entirety of the shooting teams at times. Equipment does matter in these competitions.

>>89320834
I'll take the shot however it comes to me. If it wants to walk right into my concealment while I'm on a recon, it gets taken down at close range. If it prefers to remain "protected" behind the walls of its compound, well, there's a solution for that too. I've carried a shotgun on mission before (breacher) but I can't recall firing one in anger. Just racking the slide is usually enough to gain compliance.

Your rifle LARP is cute and all, but you're not a killer. Killers don't worry about the art of it.

>>89313449
>>89313462
Neat.

>>89322427
lmao, it's funny because I think you're serious.

>>89322427
Yeah okay their keyboard Warrior you're a real tough guy

>>89310712
>>vast majority of the DoD is loyal to the Feds
lol

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>>89322604
>>89322700
>no arguments to be seen

>>89321449
Fuck off Last Landians! This is an Open Sky board!

>>89321430
>Romania is equivalent to an independent nigger state.

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>>89310617
Everyone either died or moved south to Mexico.

>>89322805
With what? You think we're going to take your word that you're some big tough motherfucker? You're a nobody just like everyone else

>>89322805
Argue what? Your internet larp? lol
>>89322936
>Mexico doesn't include California and Texas
bad map

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>>89322951
Better?

>>89322938
>can't argue

>>89322951
>"i-if I hold this mirror up, I'll get t-them for s-sure!"

Pathetic.

>>89311923
yeah

>>89311923
Not into usa internal issues and obsessions with race/trannys.
Who are thirdies?

>>89324026
someone from the third world, aka someone who doesn't even remotely understand how the US works or any of its significant regional and cultural boundaries.

Use the archives next time:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/thirdies/

>>89323356
Nigga u gay

>>89323356
>argue
Argue my balls, shrimp

>>89322427
Is this what we've come to? People larping as epic government soldiers? Remember when we made fun of people like this?

>>89324688
>we

>>89314764
It was written in 2015 back before Russia's blunders in the Ukraine. The Ukraine's interesting as its not unlike the Boer War in the sense we're seeing tried and true war tactics not only being made obsolete, but completely worthless in a new battlefield.

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>>89310617
Oops! All Texas!

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>>89310617
Canticle for Leibowitz map.

>>89324840
Getting strong Canticle for Leibowitz vibes here

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>>89322973
yeah.
>>89324840
Neat.

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>>89325184
>why aren't you murdering people
Why aren't you posting and talking about maps?

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>>89325184
Because unlike you tards we don't want to cause property damage to innocent people with pointless riots.

Also here's a map.

>>89310662
>Wyoming invades Wisconsin
Dynamic. lol

>>89325245
>we don't want to cause property damage to innocent people
Lol. Kek, even.

Always an excuse.

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>>89325358
>we have the moral high ground because we kill more people
I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore.

Also you didn't post a map.

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>>89310887
>>89310662
the problem is that the year is completely fucked. it should be 2030 after the ethnic balkanization of the US has taken its toll and police or federal agent coordination and capabilities have been definitively crippled. Mexican cartels openly operating and getting into firefights with police, parents protecting their kids against the lowering of the age of consent to 14 lead to protesting then finally rioting as police allowed leftist agitators to attack parents only for the parents to be detained, open group ethnic conflict and murders as the black instigated crime spills from the failing cities into towns with shootings in malls, parks and rec centers, prompting white militias to form and begin doing the same but in a vanguard doctrine. Megadebt by the government and shit economy policies and zero accountability for the federal reserve lead to even more inflation resulting in the second great depression. crackdown on gun owners and instigative actions by the ATF and IRS leads to those same white militias also making armed standoffs on the roofs of business centres and on the curbs of neighborhoods. Large manpower shortages in the national guard despite multiple states of emergency scross the board as the few white, latino and asian american males chose to defend their families and towns against feds, gang members and thugs. Absolutely nonexistent recruitment rates for the military with a embarrassing lack of quality amongst its current troops. disjointed, self-interested, corrupt and fanatically partisan government agencies and congress leads to lack of direction or focus.

>>89326316
>parents protecting their kids against the lowering of the age of consent to 14
Man, considering the shit I've seen from the MAPs, you are way, way, WAY too optimistic.

Why is it always american civil wars? Why can't we have cool alt histories like a new warring states period in China or Russia breaking up, or wars on mars

>>89331027
Because America has been the big top dog for over a hundred years.

>>89331027
you'd like Russia and China breaking up again, wouldn't you NAFO troon.
Make a "EU descends into infighting" map.

>>89331027
Because there's a lot of larpers who get a hard on about the south rising again and want to playact it everywhere, even at the gaming table.

>>89324088
>>89324120
>>89324688
These anons are all examples of
>>89310844
>You can't tell fantasists about the Democrat-leaning military. They can't accept it because it violates their world view.

It actively damages their fantasy to accept that the military is unlikely to betray the government, regardless of who is president at the time. That those who try to will almost certainly end up jailed, not armed and in the hills fighting to the good fight.

It's not exactly an accident that the US military is usually disarmed when on US soil.

>>89324688
Yeah, I'm pretty sure its a weird ass leftypol tranny. The post even reaked of that old copypasta with 'gorilla warfare' and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same guy larping. If not, the economic ignorance is just... Holy shit. This guy is high up in the government and thinks the USD would shrug off a civil war when minor election bullshit mildly intensified inflation? For fuck's sake, the Ukranian War started a crisis with gas prices. I don't even wanna know what a full blown American civil war would do.

If this is how they view the American economy, it sure explains why we drift from one big crisis to another with only a bandaid fix.

>>89332944
You shouldn't be worried about the military. You should be worried about the economy literally ceasing to exist.

>>89333703
>You should be worried about the economy literally ceasing to exist.
That's not how civil wars work. Have the colored gangs armed with IEDs and machine guns in the US declaring war on the feds somehow magically destroyed the dollar? Nope. A gang of rednecks with shotguns and rifles wouldn't do shit either.

>>89318019
I want to believe.

>>89333815
>Have the colored gangs armed with IEDs and machine guns in the US declaring war on the feds

Redpill me on this

>>89333815
Man, you guys are out of it. Inflation spiked after Donnie T. and his fit of tard rage over Joe being President, the American dollar will have less value than toilet paper the moment there's any serious disruption to any supply chain. I mean, any of them all over the world. We saw how bad oil spiked with the Ukraine. But whatever, go bomb those Rednecks and keep playing up your retarded LARP of the Delian League... Assuming you're not larping yourself, tranny.

>>89336398
>the feds should just roll over to fat undisciplined rebels because their protests caused the USD to fall 0.1-0.2%
nah.

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>>89321449
You forgot your hat.

>>89336545
So what’s Wide Mexico like?

Are there secretly still remnants of the Aztec Empire who haven’t even heard of the Spanish?

>>89336647
Mostly an orange tint.

>>89333815
You have the big dumb. A COVID will cost the world an estimated 84 trillion over 5 years. The world's estimated gdp is 96.5 trillion. The world's largest economy imploding would absolutely destroys the world economically. With how much more integrated everything is now, you're talking a global depression that makes the great depression look like a fart in a hurricane.

>>89336737
That you think some fatties with hunting rifles would cause the US economy to collapse is laughable.

>>89336746
It's even funnier when you realize that if their dream scenario came true the rebels wouldn't get able to get anything in regards to supplies. They'd starve and run out of ammo before the US does.

>>89336746
We're talking a civil war. Not "some fatties."
Malding about politics won't change that.

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>>89336746
I legit can't tell if you're retarded or if this is big.
If it's bait it's a pretty good act. 6/10.

>>89336833
>We're talking a civil war.
Not happening in the modern US. At best it's just some seething fringe group getting its shit pushed in by the Feds. States lack the power to actually rebel.

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>>89313161
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>>89314533
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
This guy embodies the classic ITG.

>>89322758
Yeah I’m sure if you sent the National Guard to Waco it would have been completely different.

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was looking to post this corpo run cyberpunk csa but it seems to have been deleted from imaginarymaps

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>>89342344
found it downloaded

>>89341973
Whoever tries to bring you down is already beneath you, jealous of the courage that they lack to do what you have.

That's on a sign. If you know where it is, your opinion matters. If you don't, you don't.

>>89336859
>Not happening in the modern US.
It's a good thing it's a fictional setting with fictional maps then innit?

>>89342577
That's your response? ROFL. If you really were an elite SPEC OP Arnold Stallone Super Soldier with a genetically engineered 12 inch mega dick you wouldn't be posting here. So, what does lefty/pol/ get out of derailing /tg/? Why is tabletop gaming the next main frontline of 4th dimensional warfare?

>>89342344
>Race: American, White, Black, Hispanic
lol
>>89342539
There's a lot going on in this map, it's fucking wild.

>>89342606
>you wouldn't be posting here
You'd accept him as real and would even be happy he's posting here if he was supporting your views. Stop being dishonest.

>>89342606
I accept your concession.

>>89342677
Well, obviously. My views are those of the highly cultured incel, not the deranged normie.

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>>89342677
>Stop being dishonest.
No.

>>89342720
lmao. Absolutely destroyed.

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>>89342732
It's almost like I set the joke up myself.

>>89342782
5d internet chess.
A true (You) harvester.

>>89342677
>>89342683
>Same guy
ROFL. You're just some guy in a basement.

>>89342720
Hell yeah. The lefties latched onto this LARPer like he was Karl Marx's personal fluffer. We can be dishonest as much as we fucking want.

>>89342782
Well done.

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>>89342884
>We can be dishonest as much as we fucking want.
It's doubtful you had any intention of being honest to begin with. None of us are here for earnest discussion. We just want cheap laughs and free shit.

>>89342915
>taking screenshots
ROFL. You still didn't explain why tabletop gaming is such an important aspect of American culture.

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>>89343056
And I'm not going to. I'm just here for cheap laughs and free shit.

>>89342646
forgot to mention that the original post for the csa map mentioned it having a habsburg as constitutional monarch

>>89343087
>"l-l-l-lmao guys it was all a heckin' joke"
It's not often you see something this pathetic.

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>>89325245
I like da line.

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>>89342539
>texas institute
my sides

>>89324759
>in the sense we're seeing tried and true war tactics not only being made obsolete, but completely worthless in a new battlefield.

The tactics aren't even the issue, its that Russian troops are undermanned, inconsistently and generally poorly equipped, poorly maintained, and command is wildly inconsistent in competency. The tactics aren't even bad, they're just so poorly executed against a competent, well equipped, and highly motivated foe that it's hilariously ineffective.

The few times that Russians have the arms, equipment, and leadership they need, they are at least the equal of their Ukrainian adversaries. It's just that it generally isn't.

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>>89331256
>Make a "EU descends into infighting" map.

We've had two of those already, we know how it generally ends.

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>>89342646
Honestly an interesting idea. Not really a fan of the state borders being largely similar to modern day, but otherwise pretty interesting and not completely buck wild as an idea.

>>89343220
>forgot to mention that the original post for the csa map mentioned it having a habsburg as constitutional monarch

Actually more credible than many people think, the planter class constantly flirted with monarchism and officially establishing an aristocracy, viewing nobility a natural extension of their own tiered, hierarchal society of slaves, nonwhites, whites, and the planter class.

>>89331256
>you'd like Russia and China breaking up again, wouldn't you NAFO troon.

Yes. God wills their destruction, and it is our job to ensure that they balkanize in the most effective way possible.

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>>89310617
Here's one.

>>89317598
yup, the cope and we wuzzery from /pol/ is very strong after donny lost in 2020.
There's this obsession with "we could totally beat the onions-left in civil war if we just started killing."
Not realizing they're tricking themselves into shadowboxing stereotypes fed to them by their own media, and believing in conditions which justify pre-held beliefs of the superiority of those beliefs.
That doesn't typically work out when rubber meets road.

Can't even write up a decent pulp post apocalyptic thread without them screaming about how "we wuz makin murica great ah'gain! if only evil dark brandon the senile cripple wuzn't so powerful"

I just wanna hunt mutant demon whales on the shores of lake erie got godsake. Not read your dissertation on how this justifies your ethnostate because you read some book by some italian fart-sniffer written in the 1920s

>>89347801
The sad part? You could probably run a decent campaign with this map.

>>89351510
Again, Spengler wasn't a Nazi. When competing populations interact with one another, it rarely ends peacefully (as anyone in Western Europe can attest to right now) with even Alexander's Empire essentially needing the greatest sperg in history to even exist. Since you can't read, Spengler specifically points to the obliteration of MesoAmerican culture as a cautionary tale. That's as far from 'pol' as you can possibly get. But he didn't get his pp snipped so you don't care.

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>>89351570
>Again, Spengler wasn't a blah blah blah blah muh mesoamerica
Brother, please, cease these beliefs in outdated books from the early to mid 20th century.
They are fodder for fantasy, nothing more.

Give up these delusions and discuss things from the perspective of nations, culture, and geography. Most empires are wide and diverse, and even the americans you shove into racial catagories have massive cultural divides. Be they midwesterners and new englanders, or latinos from mexico vs latinos from spain who were here before america was, or african americans in detroit vs african americans in new york.

So few of these map focus on geographic barriers, and try to imagine some civil war in which "my idology" wins that it's fuckin sad.

like, none of ya think of cool shit like... what if texas starts bullying the dixie states east of the missippi, because it would. Does that set the stage for cool ass conflicts?

nah it's about 2020 copium and we wuzzery in my RPG because you can't pull bidoof's foot out of your ass.

>>89351718
No, they really weren't. And if they had significant minorities, there were immense ethnic tensions that would frequently spiral out into mass revolt and bloodshed. We saw that with the Spaniards in Mexico, we saw that with the Normans and the Saxons, Modern Europe... Fuck, the Romans and the Jews with the latter launching an uprising so massive the Romans demolished Jerusalem brick by brick. Hell- the Israelis and the Palestinians are pristine examples of why different enthic groups with drastically different views of morality have a hard time existing alongside with one another.

But hey, just write it all off as 'transphobia' or whatever.

>>89351802
>Fuck, the Romans and the Jews
Counterpoint: there was only one revolt or rebellion of note by Egyptians against Roman rule (Isidorus, in 172 AD). Otherwise the Egyptians largely seemed fine with being a part of the Roman Empire, maintaining a distinct culture and society of their own and simply sending tribute and grain to Rome, both of which they had to spare.

Likewise the Greeks didn't have any revolts or rebellions against Rome after Sulla put down a brief Athenian attempt in 88 BC.

Illyria was a little ornery in the beginning but it, too, was eventually quite content to be a part of the Empire.

The point is you can't keep pointing to one particular revolt at one particular time against one particular empire as evidence that integration is outright impossible, especially when that same empire has innumerable examples of integration being carried out perfectly well.

>>89316688
How am I supposed to notice anything in an image so small?

>>89310887
The total population of that red area of Maine is like twelve people plus several thousand beavers, and the beavers would be on Boston's side.

More seriously though in 2022 Mainers voted pretty decisively in favor of Democrat (a 13 point difference), and of the conservatives/Republicans, it strains credulity to think that any significant number of them wouldn't support the Federal government.