AS BELOW SO ABOVE edition.>What is this?/tg/ is making our very own bespoke wargame.What started as a simple political compass chart about a (completely made up) Journey to the Center of the Earth-style wargame has morphed into a (for real this time) Vernian-hellscape wargame.Its an 1870s era, Jules Verne pre-war scifi inspired underground eldritch hellscape.It is a Skirmish exploration wargame. Two players with their own armies, on a hexgrid map, fight each other for victory.We're still working on the details.>What can I do?Shitpost, meme, get comfy. Read over the docs to settle in.Contribute if you have ideas. Give feedback on contributions if you don't.This thread's theme is MECHANICS with a side of MINOR FACTIONS.Let's hash out more of the actual gameplay mechanics and maybe dip into fleshing out some of the minor factions that didn't make it onto a compass.
>TL;DR Doc (WIP)https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA> Lore Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8> Rules Dochttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1njSLKKQFa9ri4w3A_09JW78uXFbFOFf8XVjncxPYIC8> Unit Spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rcleQtrT4Q0INiBW50-kq2ZXWJ-cjLOeVTLTJg_oX5ETHE OLD ONE>>88673440
Not doing any extra art for the moment, but posting this to give some visual clarity to the factions.Is three Leader units per faction acceptable to everyone?Also, Atlantis and Lemuria need more leader ideas.
>>88692556Also, I did add King Malcolm but just haven't redone the export yet.
MECHANICSWe got good work done on Prophecies last thread, as well as pre-game setup order and codifying unit types.What's next?Go onto refining the other faction gimmicks?Atlan Titanium? Atlantean chemistry? Mu... whatever they do?
>>88692556>AtlantisStrategos Hyas would work for an Atlantean leader. The Atlantean Aristocrat seems like another, but he doesn't have a name. I'm really tempted to suggest Arkantos.>LemuriaStill suffers from a lack of actual named characters. I suggested Vritavana as one in a previous thread. To expand on the idea, the concept in my head was some kind of warlike prophet who straddles the line between a secular leader of the military and a religious leader in the Lemurian priesthood. Possibly using prophecies to turn into a dragon.>Last remaining OTHER slotClearly it should go to Lee-Dehr, the Gorg Prince.>>88692610I liked the idea a while back that every faction has unique resources with the possible exception of the surfacers who almost exclusively care about money and supplies.
>>88692617>the concept in my head was some kind of warlike prophet who straddles the line between a secular leader of the military and a religious leader in the Lemurian priesthood.The main leader as talked about last thread, Ozymandias, is apparently some kind of prophetic purely religious type. Possibly very head-in-the-clouds. A more practical leader makes sense to compliment him.> Lee-Dehr, the Gorg Prince.Done and dusted.
>>88692617Is Vritravana the Prophet-Lord or not?
>>88692653Ozymandias was suggested as the named leader of Lemuria in the last thread.I like it so that's what I've gone with.
>>88692556Hyas and redone Aristocrat (with reverse Hyas buff) seem pretty clear choices for Atlantis.
>>88692653Vritravana is the Prophet-General, you know, the guy who rides the fire-breathing saur.>"I have seen the prophecy, and it has foretold your death!"Ozymandias is probably closest to the Prophet-Brahmin, honestly, which is kind of funny in a way.I think that leaves the Chariot King as the best idea for a third named Lemurian.
>>88692660Hyas added. Waiting on Aristocrat until we decide on names and whatnot.
>>88692656Ozymandias is the First Prophet, the Prophet-Lord IIRC is a spin on Prophet-General and is selected by Ozymandias to run military/admin shit.
>>88692667Sounds good. Make sure it gets into the Lore doc somewhere so I can reference later.
>>88692671I'll add it.
>>88692665>I think that leaves the Chariot King as the best idea for a third named Lemurian.I picked a random Kushan king, called Kipunada. Will this name suffice?
>>88692712Sounds good, any ideas for what his gimmick is?
>>88692617We need some over the top preposterous name like Alcibiades or Pharnaces.
>>88692734Bophades, esteemed member of the Atlantean aristocracy.
>>88692728Well, it really says it on the chart>Crushes enemies under wheels, maybe some bonus damge from running units over lol?>Some special Prophecy for chariots>Saw his doom - some kind of unshakable resolve? Maybe he has really high Will and IIRC it's used for Initiative, so a good thing for a leader
bada bing bada boomPending feedback of course.
>>88692749All of this politicking is really making Bophades nuts!
Jokes aside, Plato's actual name, Aristocles, could work for Aristocrat. We did diverge from Plato's account of Atlantis with the Titan stuff (fucking 3e retcons to salvage Atlan split), but if scientists got stuff wrong about the Earth not being hollow and the sky not being a dome, then who's to say a professional shitposter from Ancient Greece would get Atlantis right?
>>88692762>unshakeable resolve?Why not a Feel No Pain save like the Gunny gives US units?
>>88692762Maybe he's something of a hero king among Lemuria's vassals? Represents the various barbarian tribes and auxiliaries united under the prophecies, but is outside of the priesthood.
This thread's theme is MECHANICS with a side of MINOR FACTIONS.Let's hash out more of the actual gameplay mechanics and maybe dip into fleshing out some of the minor factions that didn't make it onto a compass.The monk should be allowed to be in any faction with them be essentially mercenary
>>88692883>Maybe he's something of a hero king among Lemuria's vassals? Represents the various barbarian tribes and auxiliaries united under the prophecies, but is outside of the priesthood.Lemuria definitely sounds like a religiously lead empire.The "King" could also just be a royal family that doesn't have real power compared to the Prophecy-Religion. Still a kin, still royal, but used more as a public figure than someone who has real power?`
PAIN IS PLEASURE AND PLEASURE IS PAIN, ANONREJOICE, FOR YOU HAVE BEEN REBORN IN THE MORTAL AGE OF GREAT SENSATIONS THAT WE MAY YET NEVER SEE AGAIN
>>88692883He'd definitely be outside the priesthood. I guess he could've been prophecized to play some important role in the grand scheme of things, so now he's charged with expeditions and stuff.
>>88692912I am amazed that a picture of fucking Hellraiser doesn't even come close to how balls-deep insane Hyperborea is turning out to be.
>>88692915>I guess he could've been prophecized to play some important roleA commoner that was foreseen in a prophecy and lifted to be King?I kind of like that.
>>88692634In my mind, Hinduism based many of the wilder depictions of Vishnu (namely the one in the Baghavad Gita when he shows his true form) off of Ozymandias. The part they all get right is the thousands of arms.
>>88692941Considering the real Ozymandias was from fucking 1300BC, the dude's probably one hell of a nutter.
>>88692922Pain Priests are basically schizophrenic Cenobites given over to massed ritual torture-murder and wearing the skin of humans (and Lemurians, etc)
>>88692952>the scariest part is he is unable to lie
>>88692959>Pain Priests are basically schizophrenic Cenobitesa Cenobite...but worse.Nice.
>>88692959They take drugs or cast spells (haven’t decided) that make them feel EVERYTHING at 100 times the intensity. They’re looked up to by the Hyperwarriors, as in many ways they more than anyone else in all the Layers are truly living in the present.
>>88692935>be random Lemurian raider>attacking Atlantean coastal cities, good fun>after the battle suddenly approached by the Robed Ones>don't even let me fucking loot, tell me to come with them>know better than disobey Prophecies>mfw I'm now a King of some random place I've never been to>at least the coronation prophecy showed me I'll die gloriously in battle
>>88693016LONG LIVE THE KING!
>>88692912>Be Pain Priest>still remember what it was like to experience ninth level sado-hedonism>fucking Humans can only manage fourth
>>88693071>only nine levelsAND THIS IS WHY WE WEAR THEIR SKINS
>>88693074We've fallen so far bros.
The Sun Below was yawning. Its light was growing dim. The day's prophecies had been few, and far between.Resigned, knowing I would have to prepare a false prophecy to appease the people, I peered one final time the marble pool.Within, I saw a Chariot of gold, pulled by shadows on reigns of grub-silk. Written, ripping in the oil, were for letters KING.I knew not this man, but my trained hand acted. Automatic sketches formed upon the Olm-hide vellum.The Deep Sun shuttered its lids. Those beams of light glittering upon the marble pool scurried away. My mind returned to me.I had drawn the chariot, and my hand had written all that my eyes failed to see.KING KIPUNADAFROM VILLAGE ACLIBABY HIS CHARIOTSHALL LEMURIA THRIVE
What if Quetzalcoatl was actually a left behind proto-Atlan?
>>88693085You know, don't the Aztecs have a bunch of myths related to heroes travelling the underground?
>>88693089The Hero Twins myth comes readily to mind, but that’s Yucatec Maya.
>>88693089>mfw Aztecs have myths about Huitzilopochtli battling the Star Demonsbros...
>>88693115Good enough for me.
>>88693075FALLING…WHAT A SENSATION. A MERE SECOND-LEVEL EXPERIENCE, YES, BUT A MYSTICAL ONE NONETHELESS.
>>88693122Aztecs vs Hyperborea?SIGN ME UP!
>Aztecs invaded Hyperborea and the war is still ongoing
>>88693152I think the myths are representation of whatever the beef between Atlantis/Atlans/Titans and Hyperborea seems to be.
>>88693089WE GOT ANOTHER ONE, BOYS!
Well, seeing how they are a bunch of ore now, maybe don't go to war with Hyperborea?
>>88693217>Well, seeing how they are a bunch of ore now, maybe don't go to war with Hyperborea?well... too late for that now.......fuck.
>Titanomachia was just Hyperboreans slaughtering some uppity 2nd layerlets
>>88693124There’s also quite a lot of interesting things about Mayan history and mythology that are worth using in this setting.>creation myth as expressed in the Popol Vuh states that humans were created three separate times, with two attempts failing in some manner and necessitating destruction. After a celestial power struggle, humanity is created the third time from corn.>in the time before the present creation, the Hero Twins, Hunahpu and Xbalanque, encounter a bird demon, Vucub-Caqix(Seven-Macaw), who pretends to be the moon and sun of the twilight world that existed then. Hunahpu shoots him out of a great tree, but the bird is able to sever his arm before being robbed of his pearlescent eyes, gold teeth, riches, and power.>the late 19th century saw explorers first discover many Maya ruins, and the historical community began to take an interest in the Maya >to this day, no one really knows what happened to the Maya. Theories abound, but they sort of just…disappeared, melting right into the jungle.>t. autistic about Maya stuff since I was little
>>88693124Also, in the Maya myth, the Hero Twins are challenged to a ball game by the Lords of the Underworld, One Death and Seven Death. Using their wits, they are able to survive the journey and beat many foes, but they lose the ball game and are put to death.
>>88693244... And this ties into the Husked Conquistadors from the first compass.>Spanish explorers go missing in the jungle>Expedition chalks it up to the usual hostile terrain/wildlife/natives>Turns out they actually just got lost and found their way into Agartha, never to return
why don't we try and settle more of italy, as long as we're focusing on minor factions? expanding the anti-christianity theming to give more life to the faction then just lava seems like a good start
>>88693258Goddamn it, Ozymandias is at it again
>>88693260IIRC point of diversion is before the unification and Francesco did it thanks to the Volcano shit. I imagine Austria still has Lombardy-Veneto under control, maybe North Italy is formally Sicilian but under joint Siculo-Austro-German occupation. Italy can be a cool place if you're not Christian and aren't being sacrificed, very oppulent, with a great traffic of people from around the region. It's strikes me like some hedonistic realm of sin, where everything goes as long as the Tyrant doesn't mind and/or gets his cut. A tax haven, a sex tourism capital, a drug den, everything iaginable and unimaginable sold and bought openly at every corner. They probably have some Roman LARP going but not too much, Francesco strikes me as a guy flamboyant enough to dress up as a Roman Emperor and pray publicaly in some Vulcan Temple he erected in former Vatican.
>>88693260Bersaglieri della Sardegna>Crack shots to a man, can go toe to toe with US units>A favorite to paint due to their cool headgear>probably the last Christians left in Italy>why are they going along with this?
>>88693309>second level hedonism>SECOND LEVEL
>>88693258A potential new entrance in Yucatan could work for the US.
>>88693366Maybe the site of a large K’iche city-state, like Chichen Itza, or even Cancun, which was uninhabited by the Maya due to their perception of it as a cursed place? Better yet, why not near the site of the Chixculub impact crater that killed the dinosaurs?
>>88693400>Cancun, which was uninhabited by the Maya due to their perception of it as a cursed placeCancuen? Yeah, sounds dope, it could have been built at the cite where the proto-Atlan colony Fell and abandoned after some spooky Agarthan shit broke through.
>>88693501Ironic considering it’s probably Mexico’s number 1 tourist destination today.
>>88693366>Mexico has the potential to be a major power in 5e
>>88693564Nah, I bet we'll get India first. Neo-Mughal Empire undergoing a Din-i Ilahi revival fused with Lemurian mysticism here we go!
>>88693544Eh, it kinda is here too, but for a different reason?
>>88693587It's>Japan vs Mu>Mexico vs Atlan>Indian Raj vs Neo-Mughals vs Lemuria>Spain vs Atlantis
>>88693599Oh I meant, it rakes in the tourism dough for Mexico. I’m in burgerland.
Wait are we talking about Cancun, Mexico or Cancuen, Guatemala? Fucking Maya and their abandoned cities. Either works really, but I only know about the latter.
>>88693617US vs Atlan considering they have a reach as far as Brazil, and a nation going through Reconstruction against one that celebrates slavery would be interesting thematically
>>88693617>Neo-Mughals turning on Lemurians>"Heh, just as foretold."
>>88693649US lore sheet is pretty sparse right now. I'm okay with other nations taking center stage, but it is a little ironic that the nation that's usually the Hollywood protagonist is basically just "had civil war" in the lore atm.Would be interesting if the exact nature of their control over South America is explored. Colonialism or maybe something more "spread the revolution"? Could have been in response to underground mischief, with the OTL Monroe Doctine being insufficient as it focused on the navy but here you have underground empires that could hypothetically strike from anywhere.
>>88693667This is why I wanted to make the Expeditionary Corps into US Marines.
>>88693667Likely, the US doubled down on the Monroe Doctrine, setting up friendly governments to assure compliance and easy access to any underground mischief. Maybe a few key alliances, where the local shithead forces are the first to encounter deep-dwellers, but the Marines are the ones that really take them on?
>>88693667IMO we need at least one meme American colony. Like New New York, New Washingdon, Ulyssia, etc.
Also gonna drop a quick US unit idea: M1897 Battery>Well disciplined for a group of yokels>Get chewed up in melee>If they ever get there>Shell types make them versatile and a must-have for any competitive US army
>>88693726Jefferson or Franklin.
Speaking off, I figured out how we can preserve the Eiffel Tower even if we set the time before it was actually built. In this timeline, Eiffel just built the elevator-tower from scratch. And called IT the Eiffel Tower.
>>88693764>In this timeline, Eiffel just built the elevator-tower from scratch. And called IT the Eiffel TowerSounds fine to me.Eiffel himself was just BARELY starting major work projects so its still a bit anachronistic to have him involved in something so major. He was mostly working on bridges in and around our timeframe.Still reasonable though. Likely a project of that magnitude would still be named the Eiffel Tower anyway, if he was the lead engineer for it.
>>88693790A lot of engineers probably died during the Fall, so maybe that was an opportunity for him.
>>88693803Sounds good to me.
Now that I think about it, "Mother Unknown" kinda sorta works with her role as the knowledge-giver for Mu.
>>88693726GLORY TO USONIA, AMERICAN JEWEL OF THE DEPTHS
>>88693726new new york is as good as it gets. bonus points if they stole it from the dutch.
Okay. So this wargame company wants to expand to the US market. But it’s the early 90’s and there’s a satanic panic going on. So they try to sell the setting as more urban fantasy, with the American city of Under-York and its five boroughs - where all manner of swashbuckling “definately not a gateway to mysticism” adventure can be found.Underground railroad is major player in all this, as are US marines and ironclads in the naval district.
>>88694513And this is meant to be the small scale RPG spinoff mind you.
>>88694513Famously ripped off by Failbetter's Fallen London.
>>88694588>NYC didn’t fall>they just discovered a perfect replica of New York waiting for them
>>88692617>SpoilersBased AoM chad
>>88692902Anon who made him here, I imagined "Chariot-king" to be a generic role or figure among Lemurian, who would have many petty Kings, basicly acting as clan chief and warring among each others and against outsiders until a greater figure unite them, like a prophet or a prophet-lord chosen by the First Prophet.
>>88692518I started to lurk these threads a few days ago and so far I really like the concepts and the lore anons came up with thus far.Is it just me or does everyone focus more on the "lore" aspect of this wargamer rather than the actual wargame aspect of it.So far I've seen very little of what makes each Surface faction unique to play other than maybe Ottomans (the not 40k Necrons on Earth), a bit more variety in the underworld factions.Also a scale of the game seems a bit dubious. Would it be more of a skirmish based game or maybe more of a team based one where each unit is an integral part of it and each loss hurts you and your expedition moves in the larger world until they're forced into battle.Personally I would prefer the last one. If it's the last one here's some of my ideas for the gameplay:>large campaign map with a defined objective to complete for a faction: establish a colony, find an underworld artefact, defend a colony, travel deeper, repel Surfacers>layers with defined zones of control, entrance points and so on>faction cohesion tied to some morale mechanic i.e. if you take units from other factions or have foreigners in your expedition force it should affect the overall performance in some way, like being in the 1870s having Germans, Austrians and Russians working together would be considered normal (League of the Three Emperors, maybe some factional bonuses for a joint expedition?) but for example taking on an Underworlder guide to lead you down would probably make the rest of the team less trustingSome unique characters that are not tied to any particular faction (ex. Julius Verne) should probably be exempt from this>possible AI encounters like fighting the local fauna or some wild Lemurians >supplies mechanics and permanent injuries mechanics for a larger campaign>more fun unique time appropriate characters like maybe young Tesla (he avoided conscription to the Austrian army in 1874 irl)
>What am I? You wish to know? I suppose there is no harm in telling you. You will not leave this Palace alive, after all, I am afraid. Why don't you tell me, child, what are YOU? What is it that defines you? Your name? Your walk of life? Your family, your comrades, loved ones? Your memories? What will remain of you if all of those were taken away? Nothing? Peculiar, how all things come and go, yet nothing remains. Nothing always remains. Because nothing is true, child. The truest thing there is. I am what happens when you finally see it. Shed all that withers, cut away the fat, wash the impurities away. I see the horror in your eyes. What do you fear, child? The world beyond your little cage? Of me and you? Of left and right? Of ends and of beginnings? Always moving, going in circles, stumbling in the dark. When the dark was the answer all along.
>>88694787We can always have generic Kings, this guy is now the Chosen One, so he might as well be a different guy entirely.
>>88693764>>88693790The Eiffel tower was built in 87-89, and I think it's pretty clear the game does cover the 80 period, considering all the element of it already included. No real timeline problem then.
>>88693667US apparently got attacked (or at least NY was attacked) by Mu, might have made them go full imperialism.
>>88694863>everyone focus more on the "lore"Rule ideas are here, but they're not as frequent as loreWe have a rules doc, but the anon who made it, set it to comment only (which makes it a pain in the ass to interact with) and is either MIA or not updating it frequently.So far we settled on a skirmish wargame, with a multi-layer hex-crawl campaign layer. 1d10 or (1d12 for crits) roll under stat system. I'd make another own doc and start filling it with stuff from past threads, but real life keeps me busy atm
>>88694863>Nikola Tesla>keywords: [SURFACER], [HUMAN], [AUSTRIA-HUNGARY], [ENGINEER], [UNIQUE CHARACTER]>short description: Shortly after his graduation he was conscripted into the Austrian army and forced into Franz Joseph's First Underworld Expedition Engineer corps. Despite his young age and not being German he was quickly recognised by his peers during their dangerous journey. By now he had become an integral part of the Austro-Hungarian efforts to establish their presence in the Underworld. >weapons: Experimental Coil Gun, 3d10 damage, ignores armour, [single shot], takes two turns to reload, can be fired only up to 5 times per battle>weapon description: Tesla's Experimental Coil gun combines the extraordinary properties of Titanium found in the underworld as well as the not stolen Atlantean technology and his own ingenuity. It fires a single supercharged projectile that's able to penetrate even the thickest Titanium armour, despite its power it takes longer than even a muzzle loaded rifle to recharge, the amount of power required to fire it makes its battery life another limiting factor>abilities: Construct Titanium Tesla Coil>ability description: Titanium Tesla Coil is a building that occupies 1 hex, and cannot be stood on, it damages ALL units up to 4 hexes away from it: 1hex - 4d3, 2 hex - 3d3, 3 hex -2d3, 4 hex 1d3, Titanium Tesla coil can be activated and deactivated remotely during Nicola Tesla's activation for 1 action point, newly built coil always starts deactivated, multiple coils can be built but they all operate on the same remote (when deactivated all of them deactivate), a unit can take damage from multiple coils at once, all normal construction and buildings rules apply
>>88695307>Coils are always constructed in the off state>You cannot individually activate or deactivate a coil, they are all toggled simultaneouslyDoes this mean it’s possible to make alternating coils by building one while another one is active? Would that even be useful?
>>88695351potentially yesif you want to make an impenetrable wall of coils to defend yourself you would need to use multiple turns first to build them before you can activate them all at once
>>88695371I meant something more like:>Two choke points into your base, natural walls or something>Build coils covering the first choke point, activate them>Build coils covering the second choke point while the first set of coils is active>First choke point is now engaged while the second is off and vice versa
>>88695720yes it would be exactly like that
>>88694919I very much dislike that direction and make a new character for the raider turned king role
>>88697025That's what that anon just suggested? Have Chariot Kings be their own unit, then have a specific king be a character.
>>88697392I was just agreeing with him, did that not come across
So I was wondering, how does the climber units work?So I was thinking:>all ceiling units have the keyword cling, which means that they remain attached to the ceiling until they take damage, where they make a save with whatever tool they have or else fall.>The ceiling Frenchmen have a piton, which they make a save with the when they take damage and the tether slips. This use the armour piercing stat for this save rather then damage.Ive added it to the units list, thoughts
Worth making Officer units their own class within the unit listings? That way, it’s easier to distinguish between Leaders, Legends, and the overworked saps leading your troops to victory?
>>88692556Forgot to mention: His Radiance is a jolly man. He should be smiling for his portrait.
>>88698593I was thinking something like that as well. Would give room for units like the Sergeant Major or American Officer to exist.
>>88698630The Morlock Tall-Fin always seemed like an Officer unit too.
>>88694870>You: Terrified>Her: SmilingHey man at least she's happy!
>>88694870>If the Dark is the Answer>We must ask a new question
>>88698862honestly they probably banged
Doing Baron Phosphorous nowMight take a bit as I intend to make it FULLY GLORIOUS.
What were we thinking the damage for moving up the layers too quickly would be?
>>88699715The most simple option would be reduction to Morale.
I really think that the different fear responses idea was great and we should add it in. Write it on the unit sheet in red on the key word section.
>>88699745We did also talk about mutations, which I think the story element of those who went deep but returned to the surface with less earthly mutations would be really cool
>>88699715There's a lot of potential for creativity here. It could start with just damage and Will/Morale losses, maybe progress to temporary debuffs/stat losses and then degenerate into some weird shit like mutations (overall negative, but rare ones could have some redeeming qualities), psychoses, units being possessed by entities from the Deep (finding that out in the middle of a battle is extra fun), instant death, etc.
>>88699777>I really think that the different fear responses idea was great and we should add it inI hate it because its overly complex.Settling one fear response is far easier to explain to new players.
>>88699825From what I understand, most regular units would have like 1-2 keywords for fear reactions, so most oftenly they will probably panic/flee. You can just spice it up with some units having different reactions.
>>88692556Atlantis needs a champion. >PRO STAGMA?>ETIMOS
>>88698862based and hopepilled l'empereur
>>88698593There could be generic, replaceable Officer type Specialists, who benefit from the Order mechanic and then you could have Heroes/Legends who can also do Orders. Maybe Officers and Order-giving uniques can have a reduced capacity, i.e. only 1 AP transfer.
>>88700188going out on a limb and saying its the best work I've ever donejust doing the background nowits goodits beautifulITS GLORIOUS.
BY GLORYTHE TITANIUM KING SHALL RULE THE DEPTHSTHE SURFACEAND THE SKIESHYPERBOREA HAS NO POWER HERETHE OUTLANDERS MERE SLAVES WHO HAVE YET TO ACCEPT THEIR FATETHE SACRED ATLAN WALL SHALL STAND ETERNALALL HAIL THE TITANIUM KINGALL HALL THE GLORIOUS ATLAN REPUBLIC
>>88700428BY MY RADIANCE, ITS THE MOST GLORIOUS THING I’VE EVER SEENNo armor, though?
>>88698862>"I would rather rebel in Hell than rule in Heaven."
>>88700456His helmet is off. He's fully armoured, the gorget is visible
Unless there's another request, Ozymandias is next.
Might as well brainstorm some Leader stuffVritravana, going by the jak and the overall themes, could look androgynous like the Hindu gods. Flowing, blonde/white anime hair, maybe some dragon/snake themed facepaint. He and Ozymandias should probably have a visible Third Eye like the Perfect.As a Leader, he could be something like this>Flying a fucking Firesaur (ignores terrain, 3D maneuvering)>AOE fire attack with morale damage, like Greek Fire? Also Bite Attack.>"The Prophecy Foretold Your Death!" - this Prophecy makes the next attack against a unit be an auto hit and do max damage. You still roll for any special effect purposes.>Prophecy aura that let's any unit ignore/reroll Perils once per battle?Bophades/Aristocles can be a bit of a meme. He doesn't want to be here. He's not a fighter. This whole expedition was probably a plot by his enemies to get rid of him. He wishes he was in his ocean-side manor drinking mushroom wine. But he has business acumen, diplomatic connections and a strong desire to get this over with.>Very high Financials>Can recruit a limited number of Colonials>Morale aristocrat buff/commoner debuff (only Atlanteans)>+1 Dex for all units? (Projects his cowardice and desire to get out into extra movement speed for troops, also synergizes with the Cataphracts)>Lower supply consumption?>More efficient workers?
>>88700428The very image of Titanical glory, a proud son of Atlas! Glorious!
Starting work on Ozymandias. Going for Hindu deity themed shit but will be tough with the limited detail of 64x64 portraits. Will also try to bring something else to it that makes it clearly "of the deep" as opposed to just a surface Hindo clone.We'll see how it goes. Got stuff to do now though so won't be finishing it for a while.
>>88700673>something else to it that makes it clearly "of the deep"as the guy who made the degenerated lemurian i'm disappointed at the glaring lack of face holes across most lemurian units, so i would suggest something along those lines to make him look whacky and occult
>>88700724>so i would suggest something along those linesNoted, will consider when drafting things out.
>>88700724I imagined the regular hole should be of modest size, like the Brahmin's, and ideally end up filled with the Third Eye. Degenerates just have their chi/prana/vril run rampant and have it grow out of control.
But yeah, the Agent, for example, could have a hole.
>>88700673He's not only mummified, he's god dam fossilized, a blackened obsidian like guy locked in meditation pose since centuries.
>>88700872Does he levitate to move? Imagine an obsidian corpse-statue flying towards you and suddenly your mind starts melting.
>>88700909That or servants carry him on a palanquin
>>88700909I imagine he's startlingly heavy, so either that, or they tie ropes around his head and walk him like a Maoi statue. Very long ropes, of course.
>>88700788That's a pretty good idea, yeah. Funnily enough, when I made the Brahmin, I actually put the hole there specifically to evoke a bindi; and bindis, of course, represent the third eye.
>>88700482Of course his helmet is off, he wants his slaves to appreciate his sheer incandescent beauty!
>>88700673>Lee-Dehr is included as a potential portraitFuck yes
>>88701059So a moderately advanced Prophet would look somethig like this.
>>88701283>Outlander: "Bro, you realise you're literally burrowing holes in your mind with this stuff? That is the opposite of a good idea.">Lemurian: "An open mind is the key to a healthy soul. outlander."
>>88701283>>88701320I feel like the hole doesn't even go into the skull, but rather it goes somewhere else. Of course, this would be rather hard to prove without coming at the hole from the other side.
>>88701320No mind is whole without a hole.
>>88701349>"Airhead? Why, what a nice compliment, outlander! But I am afraid I've yet to rid my head of excessive flesh."
>>88701349just another cave to exploreNobody knows where the Lemurian hole-parasites come from, after all.they come from within
Wait. Hang on.>Lemurian hole-face is a result of receiving prophetic visions>Properly nurtured, a face hole becomes a third eye.>Improperly nurtured, it begins to consume the entire face and degeneration occurs.>Getting too close to Ozymandias results in your eyes melting out of your skull due to visions of prophecy being beamed into your head.Lemurian face holes are the result of prophecies burning out your (vestigial) third eye so you can grow a proper one! It all makes sense!
>>88701430>It all makes sense!>In reality the dark forces granting the Prophecies are just burning out their victims' third eyes so they lose spiritual resistance to the takeoverwell fuckthat's brutal
>>88701462>Option A>Drink too deep of the prophecies and become a Degenerated Lemurian>Option B>Learn not to rely on prophecies and be willing to face the unknown future, gain renewed spiritual vigor and ability to more safely gaze into the futureIf it wasn't brutal, it wouldn't be Agartha
>>88700909With a thousand arms all reaching out, the hands plucking fate from time immaterial
The Second Layer was too small for his ambitions.
>>88701507>Cultivate yourself and your third eye opens for real>Allowing you to see the future and the flow of ki
>>88695307trying to gather up all the german-austrian lore I know of into something homogenous the Austro-Hungarian mystery meat mentions them escorting settler missions, both austria and the german confederation propped up the Italian pagan regime and helped in it's cementing as a state, the Paulistaen syndicate mentions a German Industrial Complex from which it stole Hyperborea-ruining amounts of industry - Central European Industrial Super Conglomerate? agartha settlers working in turn of the century american-esque mining towns with company stores and private enforcers, while the hyper consumerist surface society of Germany and Austria reap the rewards. >religion has fallen in europe>Spain and Russia are two of the only institutions where the church is going strong
I really like Kupinada's Clueless Chosen One concept, so I think we really should just make him his own thing. Maybe we can name him Chosen King to differentiate from the Chariot Kings, who would be more like Officer Specialists. I imagine he has a hilarious dynamic going with Vitravana, who has to rein him in and spell shit out to him.
>>88701581Under the pyramids his eyes saw what other could not. That sometimes the hand of fate MUST be forced.
>>88701664We could have an alternate German unification somehow connected to the CEISC. They used Hyperborean tech rise to prominence and influence the various German states and support the liberal pan-German revolutionaries who were very active in Germany in the 40-50s. German Confederation is a loose collection of republics and leftover monarchies with a common Reichstag and an elected Kanzler, but the real power lies with the CEISC.
>>88701664I think French would still have faith, being solidly christian (and because they hate germans). Just not part of the Faithfull alliance (even if they assist them).
>>88701507>Option C>Hire an analytical engineer for (nearly) identical results!I guess that's why the underground hates those things so much, they're stealing their jobs! Also the deep metaphysical implementations of a machine with prophetic powers.And the noise, good lord the noise.>*CHUNKCHUNKCHUNK*>*DING!*
>>88701733>modern controversy is whether or not the French nation is still in Europe or can be objectified as an agarthian nation
Designing the Faithful would be such a gold mine of memes.
>>88701742>Analytical engine is extremely costly to use because parts of it keep growing third eyes and needing to be replaced
>>88701673>Maybe we can name him Chosen King to differentiate from the Chariot Kings,Not bad.
>>88701742the worst part is that the DING is the exact resonance frequency of the stone, so its even louder than the CHUNKCHUNKCHUNK.and yes, that WAS on purpose
Austria-Hunagry would be undergoing a great revival with the profits from CEISC collaboration and Agarthan expeditions. The patchwork empire is no more (for now, at least), the only immediate threat being the permanent sate of war with the Ottoman Husks in the Balkans and Romania. Maybe we can even rename them Danubian Empire or Federation as a nod to that unrealized concept having life breathed into it by Agartha shenanigans. I really like the theme of Agartha giving old decrepit empires like the Ottomans, Austria, Spain and Portugal another chance at relevance.
>>88701767The French, being French, of course insist they are the best of both
>>88701943>death runnersWHAT ARE THEY RUNNING FROM!?THEY'RE NOT! THEY'RE RUNNING TO!HYPERBOREA'S MOST EXTREME ELIMINATION CHALLENGE!
>>88701915>Transylvania invaded by actual undeadKINO
>>88701915I could definitely see that. the Austrian (Danubian?) search for resources in Agartha, which is a ravenous and cannibalizing march of mass deforestation and strip mining, fueling a very highly developed military industrial complex that has it's roots in the eternal balkan war against the Dead Man of Europe, something like the imperial Japanese Zaibetsu maybe, powerful industry heads monopolizing the economy and running it in tandem with the monarchy and military. the millions fleeing the ottoman's esoteric grasp on the balkans entering the empire make up most of the workforce which slaves away in the depth for a minuscule profit, their labor going toward fueling an indulgent and rich surface society
I kind of like the Danubian Empire as a faction name. Is this ratified?
>>88701976By me, at least.
>>88701976We already have a ton of factions but fuck it, I'll give it a RATIFIEDfor 5e.
>>88701994shadow entry in 5e desu, all the weebs were focused on Japan and all the autists were focused on Hyperborea
I mean, we can start by just including Germans, Austrians, Hungarians etc. into the Italian list and see where it goes from there.
>>88700428>Coats himself in liquid Titanium for the power buffsGLORIOUS
By the way, I put it in white in the doc, but I propose for the Third Sicily to be the joint Italo-Austro-German colony on the 4th layer. I also like to imagine that Volcano Italians would be one of the few people capable of having a somewhat constructive relationship with the Atlans (barring skirmishes).
Unit anon here, thoughts on making Commander Charles a french leader? also, lmao.
Meanwhile, in the Palace of the Popes, Avigon"BROTHERS, SISTERS ! Children of the Church ! For too long we have stood divided, by petty differences and wars of greed ! No more, the devil walk unmasked, his lieutnant sit on the throne of Naples. The time has come for the catholic of the world to rise up and unite against the Sicilian pagan and their volcanic heresy and their despicable germans allies ! We will fight them above and below, and the Vatican shall once more be ours !"-Pie VX
>>88702091I saw him more as a unique hero, but leader could work too. Eiffel is clearly a leader I think.
>>88702110>The Triple Alliance of Hell
>>88702133>Holy Alliance of Spain, Ethiopia and France>Triple alliance of Hell of Germany, Austro-Hungry and Italy>British are seething madly at hegemonic continental power emergingThis setting is...certainly a setting.
>>88702124Hero's fine then, didn't think about Eiffel admittedly.
>>88702168>British are seething madly at hegemonic continental power emerging>Meanwhile, their conflict with Lemuria has seen Lemurian provocateurs incite rebellion across Britain's colonial territories>There was the failed Malcolmite Rebellion in Scotland, just in case things seemed too stable on the Isles themselves>And to top it all off, the Americans are hereEngl*nd stays losing
But we do need to decide if we're in the 70-80s or 80-90s, because Congo and Eiffel stuff hinges on it. We have alternate scenarios for both (Leopold Free Company, Eiffel straight up building the elevator), but we have to commit. Also decide when Paris fell specifically, if it happened before or after Francesco's volcano shit. Currently he united Italy largely thanks to it, but if it were to happen after unification he could always just be just an usurper.
>>88702198>British use foreign auxiliaries are supplementary manpower to not spend precious english blood >Backfires and Lemurian agents insight nationalism in previously tribalized societies
>>88702223Its 1870s. We already decided.
Robots are such silly little guys.
>>88702231Once again, I'm all for it. Just keep in mind that means Congo Free State never existed.
>>88702231>We already decidedWe decided shit, no one was able to agree everytime it was brought up.
>>88702256Unless the congo free state did exist, and Leopold sold it, but this time in the 1870s
>>88702260Literally every single doc and every reference to a timeframe lists 1870.
I personally like the 70's vibe a little more, but consistency is the only thing that matters in the end.
It's funny to think that to the European Powers, Japan is about as foreign and weird as some of the underground factions. Fuck, Paris even fell long before Japan was opened. (In our timeline at least)
>>88702241>Clockwork Thinkers are Hyperborean machines that went backwards around the loop and are now bubbling up in the underworld oceans
>>88702269Yeah except everytime it include stuff from the 80's
>>88702267That just feels like excessive shoehorning just to have Congo be a thing. Him running a charity-turned-mercenary-company with a name that is an obvious nod to Congo stuff works better (IF we do 70s), methinks.
>>88702289Its a game where the sky is raining technicolour death trains and Italy worships a volcano.I think we can afford some anachronisms.
>>88702281Nah, Clockwork Thinkers are totally the cause of Hyperborea getting so fucked up in the first place.Or maybe both, it's a weird world out there.
>>88702298No real reason to not simply do 70-80 then
Or we could have the Fall, volcano shit, huskification and all that happen in the late 60-70's and simply have the game set in the early-ish 80's with appropriate tech. Some events would still not happen, obviously, but that would reconcile some conflict.
>>88702289The inclusion of the Maxim supersedes continuity
>>88702347Noting we already have a way too many factions, keeping it 1870s and culling anachronisms seems more sensible than widening the game's already large breadth
If Franch can have steam-powered exosuits, someone probably can invent Not!Maxim ahead of schedule, guys.
>>88702347Well, US units adopted the Krag in the 1890s. In the 1880s, the Indian Wars were still going and the US was still using the Springfield Trapdoor
>>88702356well in terms of the game, not all of that breadth actually gets explored via gameplay, most of it doesn't as the wargame is set in underground expeditions, a lot of this is just fluff
>>88702388Anachronistic fluff should still be culled if possible.I'm cool with Eiffel building a lift instead of his tower and it being called the Eiffel Tower because "Eiffel Tower" is a recognisable name.The Congo existing or not isn't really a marketable thing.
>>88702372Don't use Krag. Or use not!Krag. Indian Wars are just more content, honestly.
>>88702406>the Ghost Dance movement actually has real power behind it>fucking Lemurians
>>88702463Yeah, I imagine some Lemurian-aided guerilla war would be nice.
>Lemurians allied with both IndiansKINOINO
>>88702623>Due to a mixup, the diplomat trained for India gets sent to Montana, and the diplomat trained for Montana gets sent to DehliHijinks ensue.
>>88702230for Unit-Anon, figured since this isn't for a chart I could make it long South Pacific Auxiliary Will dance his enemies to their deathsServes because his clan gets paid to send warriorshyper effective shock troop, pretty fun guy outside of combatBritish don't distinguish between different islandersShark Teeth weapons contribute a bleed status effect like all auxiliaries, not meta why would you play melee as a colonial faction >Lemuria bait color of Paint sold for their bone weapons is needlessly expensive
>>88702656>MixupNaive surfacer, it was all according to plan. The "mixup" was prophecized, it had to happen.
>>88702730see this is why no one like Lemurian players.
>>88702742Just as they should. The Great Work procceeds as planned, the Wheel of Dharma can not be stopped.
>>88702726Any mechanics for the war dance?
>>88702785It was more of a meme honestly, but, I guess that could be a fun gimmick. Group morale buff for all South Pacific auxiliaries if it is performed by several of them in a group?
>>88702765I was about to write a retort but then I realized:>I'm seething about a faction that does not exist>In a setting that does not exist>In a wargame that does not existHoly shit we've actually done it. We have crossed the barrier to create a real wargame wherein players get into stupid arguments about the timeline and which factions are better.
Unit anon here, anyone got suggestions for Belgian/Dutch units to be added to the french list like this anon suggested? alternatively any arguments as to why they should not be in the french tree/be included period, i'm all ears. >>88702726>>88702806Sounds good, anon, cheers.
>>88702848Bicycle Soldiers:>*RINGRING*>No, they don't ride the bikes in combat>Most of the time>Great mobility on smooth terrain, regular on rough>Decent for flankingPenny Farthings are classy.
>>88702861What faction chief? love some bike boys.
>>88702861>>88702882Oh wait, right, the dutch/belgians, derp.
>>88702882Belgian/DutchThey have an actual history of bike soldiers outside "lolAmsterdam" believe it or not
>>88702897Solid, I'll do some research on it before adding
How is rule development coming along? Is there any way me and my group of Napoleon-obsessed weirdos help playtest?
>>88702882I think that's a nod to Belgium's heavy use of cyclists in WWI.
>>88702923>Napoleon-obsessed weirdos Found the La Ombre cultist.
ADDED TAB FOR RAW UNSTATTED UNIT LISTS TO UNITS SPREADSHEETFOR KEEPING THINGS ORGANISED AND TO HAVE A FAST REFERENCE OF ALL UNITSPLEASE HELP FILL
Also, what are the PLAYABLE factions of the surface?
So is this how Europe looks more or less?>>88703242At the moment, I think, Britain, France, US, Tsardom and Japan, Italy (with German and Danubian units) and the Ottomans (both husked and unhusked)? Potential entries for a separate German-Danubian army and the Faithful.
>>88703281I feel like we could cut a few out.Four Deep factions and seven Surface factions seems off kilter.Maybe integrate US units into Britain as auxiliaries?
>>88703336definitely not that, but, I could see cutting Japan and the Tsardom to be lore rather than gameplay, but I don' particularly see the issue as the surface nations don't exactly help each other, either. Nor is it a geopolitical game
>>88703445>I could see cutting Japan and the Tsardom to be lore rather than gameplay,I'm assembling raw unit lists in the Units doc (Unstatted quick-reference sheets with just unit names) and visualising how much work this is.Cutting a few TO START I think is important.I'd say holding off on developing the Tsardom and America would be my proposal.Japan has fucking dinosaur riding Samurai so I'm against cutting them on pure "Radical!" levels alone.
>>88703445Tsardom can go but Japan has dino riders and thus must stay.
>>88703445>>88703455>>88703484Some disagreements okay,but everyone in agreement that we can hold off on Tsardom development at least?We're getting into a real project now. Have to start cutting off some of the fat.
>>88703455I think putting the Tsardom on the backburner is the right call, but Murrica should stay.
>>88703502>but Murrica should stay.Sounds fine to me. Even just one bit of excess dealt with makes the project far more manageable.
>>88703455Unit Anon here! roger that on the non-russian exposition. If I could state my opinion I believe America shouldn't be cut, Japan should. mainly because most of Japan's units aren't japanese nationals, they're satsuma, which according to the anon who had initially sent the first samurai 'jak, are a rebellion in juxtaposition to the Japanese state. for this reason, same as Malcomites and Knights of Britannia, the saur riders and such would be in mercenaries over Japan, unless we retcon that fact and merge the satsuma with Japan
I could probably do research on Russia and help fleshing out the Tsardom and various Siberian/Steppe auxiliaries, since I happen to be somewhat involved with the, uh, source material, but definitely not right now.
>>88703538>pan's units aren't japanese nationals, they're satsuma, which according to the anon who had initially sent the first samurai 'jak, are a rebellion in juxtaposition to the Japanese state.We could just call the faction "Satsuma" and leave surface Japan entirely to lore. We never see the surface in actual gameplay after all.>>88703549Apparently we're cool with chilling on the Tsardom development. If you want to go forward, do it, but if you can put your focus on researching what we're actually developing that would even better.
>>88703560equally likely possibility, whatever is decided, after france is completed I will shift to writing Agarthan descriptions as the Surface factions all seem to be the easiest to cut out/alter, if a decisive plan of action comes about on who gets the boot and what gets changed I'll wait for it
Ever faction seems to be settling on having 3 Leader possibilities.How many Hero units is each faction going to have access to?5? 7? 9? 3 also?
>>88703659Highest amount of units that could be heroes per faction right now is Mu with the Morlock ShamanTall-fin Tallyman Priestess Morlock Apprentice and Imaterii all having candidacy for being a hero due to their descriptions, which is a good portion of the roster as-is
>>88703702Tall-Fin takes a leader spot.Heroes are going to be named units, so many of those like the Shaman or Priestess might end up in the regular slot.
>>88703712it is ironic that many of the named character 'jaks did not come with a reference to what faction they should be
>>88703742Our job to figure it out.
>>88703712Priestess could be a third Mu leader if we end up downgrading Tall-fin and don't make a new one up. Could be another Old Mu denizen.
>>88703771honestly I like Tall-Fin and old Mu working with the Morlocks. Having it (her?) as a leader option seems flavourful and does a lot of work to establish Mu's identity.
>>88703797woman? monster woman? woman of inhuman quality?
>>88703281Yoooo, guys, what if we do it like this? Some sort of reversal of OTL, where Austria dominates Germany because of it's central position in the German-Italian route, and with NGF being pretty much just a rump CEISC-owned state? I think it's got that trademark schizo charm we love the setting for.
>>88703797What if Morlocks are hermaphrodites?
>>88704052let's not bog ourselves down with hypotheticals
>>88704071scared? scared of Morlock shemales huh?
>>88703538Samurai anon here, I already added a bit about the Satsuma being separate from main Japan but still being used in their armies to justify keeping the two together. It's a wargame, I ain't gotta explain shit.
>>88704052Their lore changes every edition so who knows anymore. They seem to be fish people but I bet they were C.H.U.D knockoffs when the New York raid scenario was released, and in first edition they were probably like the classic film Morlocks.
are we including the two italian workers from two threads ago in the unit doc? they seem ok enough but the names might need some work, plus they're a little generically themed.
>>88704052Are morlocks basically just murlocs?
>>88704230No you illiterate Retard they're morlocks. Like from The Time Machine
>>88702807truly the best thread on /tg/
>>88702807we have basically everything we need to make the standard /tg wargame experience. the game being unplayable is fine since no one on /tg plays games.
>>88704410>the game being unplayable is fine since no one on /tg plays games.its the perfect system
>>88700428Confirmed that Atlantean blood is blue.
>>88702406Finally, the Lee-Navy gets some love.
Sitting Bull>Current whereabouts unknown>How was he given the gift of prophecy?>Ghost Dance movement is getting worrying
>>88704653>Sitting Bull received a vision that the Lakota would win the battle of Little Bighorn>the vision came trueOZYMANDIAAAAAAAS!!!!
Guys, I just realized. Literally every Agarthan faction has two serious leaders and one comic relief.>Aristocrat>Baron>Kipunada>Tall-finEven the Other category has Lee-Dehr
>>88704749>Even the Other category has Lee-Dehranonhow dare you dismiss the great Lee-Dehr as mere comedy
>>88704770Sorry, I meant Napoleon.
>>88704785Be thankful that Lee-Dehr is merciful.
>>88704749I don't see what's so funny about Lee-Dehr.
Doing a writeup about the Tractors now. After all, why should the French get all the cool tech?
>>88704994er, sorry. Closest thing is owned by the americans.
Petition to have the "Titanium Golem" be some kind of named Hero unit instead of a generic golem.
>>88705038>Kerosene poweredNo thank you! I'll take a good old fashioned steam engine any day of the week.
>>88705065I imagine generic Golems could still be a one-at-a-time unit, but maybe we could make a unique Hero Golem as well.
>>88705105"The Atlan Colossus">A massive titanium statue in the shape of the King himself>Literally a monument to his ego>The workers from centuries ago are still screaming inside it>Pride and Joy of the Atlan Army>The final word in fortification breaking>Needs a team of Mystics to keep it moving>Blatant cashgrab during 3E to make their 'end times' gamemode viable
>>88705273>Still torn down in three swings each by Gog and Magog
>>88705281Go back to 1E with the Gorgs
>>88705285>unironically getting gogged
>>88705065>>88705105>>88705273>everything about atlan is just aping off Atlantis's already greek theme because anons are lazy niggersat least think of something to justify this shittily thought up leech of Atlantis.
>>88705408I always imagined Atlantis and Atlan have a west/east roman empire thing going on. With the "sacred Atlan wall" being the divide between them (And it's constant vagueness being an injoke)
>>88705408what the fuck is greek about mass murdering huffers of titanium powder
>>88704749Is that all His Radiance is to you, anon? A joke? Make no mistake, when His Radiance in all His glory puts out your eyes and sends you to mine Titanium, where no doubt you will be consumed by the many horrors of the Deep, you will thank Him for His mercy.
Necromancer is a bit of a generic unit name.Any opposition to renaming the "Ottoman priest/spellcaster" unit to something more interesting like a Huskcaller, Risen Imam or something?
>>88705075some anons won’t appreciate the Henry Ford grindset
>>88705485I dig it. Done.
I figured Lemurians could use an archer unit of some kind.Lemurian Zen Archer>Can spend a turn focusing>When focused, ranged attacks get a -2 to hit roll (including prophetic rerolls) and no visibility penalties>Focus can be maintained for 2 more turns as long as archer does not move or suffer any form of damage>No, being in a moving chariot does not count as moving>Too smug to use gunsAnd I figure chariots should be able to hold 2 units.
>>88705593>Zen>The Japanese thing>for Lemuriasounds more Satsuma.I'll add it in Satsuma at the very least, Satsuma needs ranged units too.
>>88705408Anon, Atlan is canon. It has been added three editions ago. They are getting a novel. It's time to let it go.
>>88705635What’s the Atlan novel anyways?
>>88705611I mean, I'm not particularly attached to the name, it's a meme reference to D&D.
Added Japanese gigachad Saigo Takamori as the leader of Satsuma.The Deep factions have clear leaders, but we still need 3 leaders each (2 or 1 for some factions) for the Surface ones.HISTORYBROS, WWA?
>>88705639Long Live the King: Last Days of the Republic
>>88705425>I always imagined Atlantis and Atlan have a west/east roman empire thing going on.Initially I thought suggesting Atlan being formed from the remnants of the colonies of Atlantis, or possibly or a colonial legion that was cut off. As of now tho Atlantis have Greek names and aesthetic but that's it. Atlan has the culture, lore and the thing with slavery, but a medieval aesthetic. Its fucked, but I like it, I feel it ultimately works.
>>88705611>>88705640How about Lemurian Kodandapani? It's an epithet of Rama that means "bow-bearer".
Oh baby bump limit already we FLYIN' now.>>88705712Reasonable.
>>88705708>Initially I thought suggesting Atlan being formed from the remnants of the colonies of Atlantis, or possibly or a colonial legion that was cut off.That's what we're going with now, I think? Yucatan colony.
>>88705708>Atlan has the culture, lore and the thing with slavery, but a medieval aesthetic. Its fucked, but I like it, I feel it ultimately works.It works really well with the meta-lore of Atlan being accused of being basically a 2e reskin of Atlantis which got reworked into more into its own thing in 3e,It also explains why now in the waning days of 4e where our hypothetical development is taking place The Titanium King has finally gotten his model update.
Anyone got the new thread?
>>88705643I heard someone mention Cromwell, maybe he could be a Deep-Aligned leader for the english?>A Miniaturized Hyperborean Pain Engine for a heart>Clad in Atlan Titanium>Animated by the mummy tongues of Lemuria>No Royals, No Longer>The Lord Protector Rises
How does one get to Hyperborrea? Trying to figure out if Jule Vernes leading an American expedition to it aboard a rocket would make sense...
>>88705862A rocket is sensible, but the best known way is to swim up the waterfall of agony that's been pouring down on Antarctica ever since we cracked the firmament open.
>>88705862In this setting, the Frimament is a thing. So it's likely that Verne and friends came against a physical barrier that they had to breach before coming out into the screaming voids of hyperborea.
>>88705870Jesus fuck thank you for that laugh.
>>88705841>Napoleon is a Villain with good intentions>Cromwell is pure evil that only gets worse>His hatred and agony alone are enough to keep the engine running>But he wants more.Wait. Hold on>5E metaplot concludes with a swordfight between Napoleon and Cromwell.Fund it.
>>88705907we capeshit nowthis really is the ultimate /tg setting.
>There was never a Wall. I made it up.
>>88705920Hey man 5E was shown to be bombastic and gamechanging>Return of a few Gorg Units>Seething caused by the Heiress>Final Conclusion to the Cromwell Novels from 4EHonestly though Cromwell seems like the type of dude to get into a sword clash and draw a pistol or something.
>>88705624Honestly, I'd ratify a canon encounter and this exchange between Nappy and Mommy. He likely visited Old Mu on his quest throughout the Depths.
>>88705735My autistic Mayaposting has paid off!
>>88705965Did you suggest Cancun as a location of another entrance? Did you mean Cancun, Mexico?
>>88698862whenever Napoleon is written in this setting he bounces back and forth between evil bitch and the most based man alive. he makes me want his army in a game that doesn't exist.
>>88705870>he doesn’t drink from the waterfallFLAY HIM ALIVE AND WEAR HIM
>>88705926whether or not this is true he'd totally say it to fuck with someone he hates.
>>88705973Yes, but I always thought that the Chixculub Impact Crater would be better.
>"You will not leave this Palace alive">He didn't leave alive. But not for the reason she thought.
>>88705841>>88705907>Napoleon was a revolutionary who over time changed his worldview to suit the coming era and was eventually crowned. He went on to lead a glorious empire before losing it all to hubris.>A man who came to understand his era and himself who was given a second chance in the depths.>Cromwell was a revolutionary who refused to change, rejecting the crown offered to him under the belief that others would eventually come around to his way of thinking, becoming the tyrant he fought against while his indecision and stubbornness led to all he worked for becoming lost.>A man who rejected his era and himself, who lost it all and in his second chance has become a true monster.
Are Morlocks really a good pick for Hyperborea, bros?>switches sides>basically just there to be eaten by the Memory Engine and Pain Priests, do way less damage than Hyperwarriors
>>88705986It's just you mentioned that it was considered cursed, but all I've found was that it was a deserted island until Mexico built a tourist resort there. So I thought you meant Cancuen in Guatemala. Anyway, do you conceive the entrance to be the result of the meteor crash? Because I wanted the entrance to simultaneously be the site of the sinking of the proto-Atlan colony.
>>88706036Either Chixculub or somewhere like Tikal. Archaeologists estimate the grand majority of the city is still underground and has yet to be excavated. May be worth exploring.
The brine pools at the bottom of the gulf of mexico aren't brine pools at all and are in fact portals to the Ninth Layer >>88705986>>88705986
>>88706054What about Potrero Nuevo where the earliest "Atlantean" Olmec figures were found? For the memetic connection.
>>88706174>Jean Lafitte lives>Frozen in the ice of the ninth layer, he has become embittered>When he breaks out, he will set the Gulf aflame>AND HE WILL BREAK OUT.
>>88705643Roosevelt must be head of the American expeditions in some way or another. BULLY.
>>88705862Verne shoots himself at the moon molies style and discovers an abandoned Hyperborean base from long ago.
>>88705870>sensiblewrong answer, then. this is hyperborea, we clown in this motherfucker, take your sensible ass back to lemuria>>88706011>doing way less damage than hyperwarriorsanon, that's your entire army outside of a properly fed memory engine.
>>88705273>>88705065>>88705105Menoetes the Mad>Longest living Atlan Mystic, which is an achievement in its own right>If any flesh remains, it is concealed completely by a mass of rock and crystal>Essentially a Golem and a Mystic in one>When within aura range of a regular Mystic, their auras both start affecting enemy rolls by +1 (but don't stack)
>>88706011On one hand, your zombies already fill the role of "just exist to be pain battery" but on the other morlock can multiply
>>88702369>>88705075>SteamSteam ? Oh no, they are powered by the awesome power of COILS ! Our new maincoils can store staggering amount of energy. Clockwork energy is the future !
Probably too late to add anything like that, but I just had the idea of the Germans using ridiculously impractical 1880s war vehicles and the rest kind of wrote itself from thereDer Wunderwagen>Literal box on wheels with a Gatling gun strapped to it>Looks steam operated, actually has a German guy turning the pedals inside like an oversized bicycle>Struggles to turn, but surprisingly fast when moving in straight lines
What would you anons consider to be the "Central Theme" of each army?Germany/Austria-Hungary (Danubian Empire?)>Strongly steam-punk and industry themed, aggressively utilises any technology or artefacts stolen or found in the Underworld for military purposes and empire building (mecha-Bismarck?)The British Empire>Consider themselves to be the "good guys" of the setting, are really no better than the rest of them, not as aggressive in exploitation of the Underworld as Germans, aim to rule the Underworld as they rule the waves on the surface, they get some respect from the more civilized Underworld rulers, they plan to divide and conquer the Underworld as they did in India through strategic alliancesFrench Empire (or Republic? did the Franco-Prussian war happened?)>a house divided of two sub-factions, Bonapartists who are on a futile quest in the Underworld to bring back Emperor Napoleon back to the surface to usher the new age for the French Empire (Is Napoleon III still LARPing as his uncle?) and more pragmatic Republicans who try a more reasonable approach as the other empires to colonise the Underworld, either way the French Foreign Legionaries would be the forefront of the French efforts in the Underworld and can use a variety of foreign units without inducing any penalties Japan>with Meiji Restoration and the fall of the Samurai they're now are being offered a second chance in the Underworld to prove themselves to the Emperor as the conditions in the Underworld still favour the old tradition of fighting
>>88707183America>still healing the wounds of the Civil War America is more focused on the private enterprise in the Underworld than the total military presence. With Manifest Destiny still not being fulfilled on the surface they're focused on establishing their presence and exploration rather than conquest. Once the other empires will lose their best and brightest to the Underworld, America will step in still fresh and well prepared. On the other side there are still the Secessionists who had retreated to the Underworld after their defeat claiming to retake Dixie once more when the time is right (New Dixie? Underworld Dixie?). With the private enterprise there comes a variety of strong civilian and mercenary units, western gunslingers, former civil war soldiers, prospectors, industrialists trying to be the first ones to exploit the Underworld and so onRussian Empire>focus on cheap and expendable units, there's never a shortage of men in the TsardomThe Ottomans>probably the most fleshed out faction thus far, the Undead of the setting, hard to kill, harder to make them stay dead, a bane of existence for all the other surface empires both on the surface as in the Underworld.
>>88707183>Germany/Austria-Hungary (Danubian Empire?)I proposed a Danubian dominated alliance with the (North) German Confederation here and in the doc. Basically, a reversal of OTL, Austria dominates with what's left of Germany being a CEISC-controlled rump state. Maybe with Bavaria, BaWu and Silesia as parts of Danubia. And, yeah, since we're going with the ruthless industrialist megacorporate Triple Alliance of Greed, they should definitely utilize some sort of schizotech based on applied Agarthan Sciences and maybe something Hyperborean. Though maybe not steampunk, especially seeing how Tesla IS from Danubia. He'd be in his 20s though.>The British EmpireSupposed to be the "normal" faction, so yes, they'd just do what they always do.>French Empire (or Republic? did the Franco-Prussian war happened?)It didn't and neither did the Strasbourg coup is the consensus currently, I think. I can see some Bonapartist shenanigans going on, but seeing as how actual Napoleon is still around, they'd just be L'Ombrists? France is supposed to be half-schizo due to being partially underground, so they're using some bizarre Vernian technology but towards 'sane' mundane means.>JapanYeah, idk, I'd say we ask the guy in charge of Satsuma domain lore.
>>88707280However, I think the consensus is that we've got our hands full enough with current factions, so Danubia and Tsardom will have to wait, barring German/Danubian units in Italian list.
>>88707280>The Swiss are the only completely normal ones in the entire setting
>>88707183Army playstyles, quick and dirty>BritsGrinding ranged advances, formation bonuses . Using tractors as cover or Maxims to dominate an area. Excellent at holding terrain. Not so much at taking it>FrenchiesMore formation fighting, with a focus on quicker movements. Their machines are further back, serving as artillery more than mobile cover>JapanUHhhhhhh Dinosaur Samurai go fast. Elite charge-based infantry lists. Think Death Company blood angels>RussiansSo many goddamn serfs and random dudes. Rivals Morlocks for sheer army mass. Literal human waves>AmericaA "Happy medium" between the british and french armies. Long range with some melee elite infantry to back it up. Little to no advanced machines>OttomansA grinding advance in a completely different way. You kill 10 husks and 11 get back up. Heavy Morale and ressurection play.>Did the Franco Prussian War Happen?Napoleon II in this setting is an Eldritch lovechild between Nappy and whatever's commanding the inner sun. So Napoleon III couldn't have existed
I'm working on making a readable doc for the combat rules we have from all of the previous threads. Going to post a link in a day or two>>88707183>Strongly steam-punk and industry themedI'd rather keep the european powers less weird than the underground. If everyone's schizo, no one is.They can still be aggressive tech-hoarders, maybe getting discounts for weird science fiction mercenaries like the analytical machine.
>>88707183Some anon last thread (or the one before that) suggest giving "thematic keyword" to each faction to help define them>French Empire (or Republic? did the Franco-Prussian war happened?)Republic and no, Napoleon III is just Charles Louis N.P in this world. I don't get the house divided feel at all from them. More like "Became a bit unhinged with the fall of their capital and the permanent link/presence of a significant bit of their land in the underworld. Cope with the increasing use of Vernian technology and taking strange habits to adapt to their weird environement.>BritishYeah they are pretty much the "normal" guy entry faction in the setting. Even the American have gonne full "Not Imperialism I swear" manifest destiny.>Danubian EmpireI can dig the industrialist side, but the more "crazy techy" thing is kind of the french thing, with Eiffel being a bit too into metal (and the implication he's putting tech in himself). Maybe the french are more into experimental stuff (they have some lore about the Institute of Agarthian Sciences trying to understand and exploits the mysteries of the deep) while the german are more into mass production ?
>>88707280I don't understand why Egypt isn't also rebel occupied, the Egyptian independence sentiment was really strong even back in the 1830s, why would they larp as an ottoman rump state?
>>88707569Situation unclear, dev didn't spend the time to give them a real presence in the setting yet.
>>88707509>Danubian Empirehow does the Danubian Empire maintain itself with so many different nationalities living under itperhaps a mass mind control technology brought from the Underworld or at least strong enough to control their most most important leaders?
>>88707569I guess it's poor wording. There's supposed to be an uneasy alliance between some rebels and Ottomans who don't want to be fucking moustached skeletons. Egypt is controlled by Muhammad Ali Pasha supernaturally prolonging his life, for instance.
>>88707616Exporting unrest to the Underworld, fat profits from exploration and exploitation of Underworld resources, threat of undead annihilation, also the entire German-Danubian-Italian alliance is heavily influenced by a megaconglomerate of shadowy industrialists using Agartha tech.
>>88707616>Maintain itselfIt dosn't, the bordergore is atrocious, but the industry barons profit on it and demand always more, using cause like "Oh my god help, undead Ottomans are invanding" and the lure of profit from the Italian alliance to maintain it together.
>>88702405>>88702356It would be kinda retarded to delete stuff from the games anons agreed on for autism about the date and for being "anachronistic", the Ottoman empire is a undead apocalypse, some stuff simply happened earlier and the "end date" could be in the mid 80.
>still no new threadit’s over
>>88708302Fine, give me a few minutes. Though you should do it yourself.
>>88708496I'll do it.
>>88708513You got 10 seconds to make it before I set the Morlocks on you.
>>88708594Sorry, subject was missing
>>88708603we’re so back