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>>88609944
> Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8
> Rules Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1njSLKKQFa9ri4w3A_09JW78uXFbFOFf8XVjncxPYIC8
> Unit Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rcleQtrT4Q0INiBW50-kq2ZXWJ-cjLOeVTLTJg_oX5E

Getting started on adding some stuff from the original chart to the new one.

Have there been any developments in the rules department? I've missed most of the thread yesterday

>>88610014
Hexgrid confirmed over open movement, that's one I know for sure.

>>88610010
>Relentless religious war going on both above and below the Alps
I guess this version of Germany is realy putting kampf in kulturkampf

>>88610225
Eh turn out France was allied with Spain. Or at least opposed to the protestants. Though I guess all power groups are really loose and more matter of convenience than anything else. After all, everyone must fight everyone.

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>>88609944
Grim Reminder that Layers contractions can happen to everyone, yes, even (you).
But that unless your Italian or trying to pierce a city sized hole in the layer, you will be fine.

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the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is the end is the beginning is

>>88610281
Given such ties between Italy and Germany, it is not unreasonable for France to oppose both and support their enemies.

>>88610554
>The Very Catholic Republic of France
Robespierre is spinning in his grave.

>>88610583
>Robespierre is spinning in his grave.
He doesn't have the chance to spin. Napoleon is too busy ripping him out of the underworld so he could personally deliver punishments worse than hell ever could.

>>88610583
I was gonna ask why, looked up "Robespierre religion" and
>Cult of the Supreme Being
>Robespire description of what the supreme being could be like come down to "Basicly kinda like me"

Revolutionary France was really one hell of a drug.

>>88610632
>Revolutionary France was really one hell of a drug.
Studying revolutionary France was one of the most insane trips I've ever experienced

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First update to get the large factions general placements in. Can move them if needed / desired.

>>88610709
also, am going through the original chart and adding more. This is just to get things loosely placed.

>>88610508
So does that meant that gold of cortez went back in time?
Could it be that aztec curse ripped him from timeline, and he still travels the caves like Akamnadag?

>>88610863
>that gold of cortez went back in time?
this setting is conjuring some of the best sentences ever written holy fuck

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>>88610863
>>88610508
Preposterous ! Those are the wilds, unfounded theories of a fearmonger. No doubt seeking to demonized the supreme human qualities that are curiosity and progress.

The presence of the Heart-Sun alone support a clear separation between the Firmament and the Depths. In truth we do not know what is down there, and because we don't, I will go there to see !

I like these threads. These are nice threads and you're all lovely people for keeping them going.

>>88611020
Don't listen to this man. Verne has been exiled from our institutions for a reason, he's a crackpot and a charlatan.

Samuel Ducksworth and Eberhard Gano are the world's most premier researchers as to nature of the depths.

>>88611039
>>88611020
Wouldn't be a exploration setting without nerds shitflinging at each others.

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>>88609944
Starting the new additions with
>The Cyclop
>Giant neanderthal
>Isn't actually a cyclop, he just lost an eye
>Just want to raise his Mastodon in peace
>Mercenary unit for almost all factions
>Can use his strength to bash or push obstacles
Two right and one up of the Titanium miner

Couldn't post this on the old thread, but suggesting Italia Nuova as a potential layer 3 faction maybe?

>>88608008
Sounds good but the timeline gets a bit messed up, considering the sicilian king only managed to unite italy thanks to the stromboli entrance. Also the whole colonial victim allies with underground is a bit exhausted so how about this:
>Great revolt of the faithful happens in 1868 and is brutally put down by sicilian mercenaries and allies.
>1871 an entrance is discovered in Ethiopia using a forgotten contraption inside the Obelisk of Aksum
>Winter of 1871 Francesco II tyrant of naples invades Ethiopia using mercenary troops
>the italian catholics, angered by yet another show of aggression by their heathen king against faithful christians side with Ethiopia
>Sicilians are pushed out of ethiopia, but the ethiopians' Catholic allies remain there, fearing persecution in their homeland
After that its either >>88609370 OR
>pope flees to ethiopia
>Ethiopians allow their allies to use their entrance to establish Italia Nuova on the third layer, led by the pope himself

>>88611270
spot taken
mind going above or to the right of the Camelback Artillery?

>>88611020
>The stars are holes in the shell protecting us from the outer/inner sun, and if a man were to venture beyond he'll find himself in the land of Hyperborea, which dwells above and below all layers.

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Lemurian Agent
>Lemurian Spy/Assassin unit
>Supports every anti-colonial movement across the Indian Ocean with Lemurian artifacts and prophecies
>Does not demand anything in return
>There IS a catch but nobody knows what it is... yet
>Turns your auxiliaries against you
>Grants prophecy buffs to non-Lemurians
Maybe two steps above the Emperor. Leaning Entropic because he's subversive.

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>>88611333
Ethiopian being aligned with the "Catholic alliance" could make sense, but we shouldn't exclude the Spanish completly.

And I agree, colonies (well future colonies in this case) getting help from underground is getting a bit tired, and using Ethiopian strong link to christianity is cool. I remember some bits about their cliff church, about how there is a belief they don't really create the church when they carve it, just "find it" thanks to divine inspiration.

>>88611353
No at all, go to the right, this guy look pretty fucking dumb.

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>>88611354
>The anti gano-ducksworth theory

>>88611391
>>88611333
It was probably the Spanish that transported the Italian rebels to Ethiopia in the first place
>Italia Nuova, Spain and the Latin American states form the Alliance of the Faithful
>The Under-Pope leads the Alliance of the Faithful from his new papal palace in the third layer

>>88611433
Latin america has gone full schizo cyborg if Brasil is any indication.

>>88611452
I mean, we don't have to get entire LA states involved, it can be just volunteers

>>88611354
>>88611430
We will NOT entertain anything contrary to the established science in these reputable threads.
Please take your Guadalupe Cordell worshipping nonsense out of here. Cordell's Theory is a total crockpot.

>>88611472
>Peruvian happa fighting side to side with a lion-pelt wearing Ethiopian and papal guards
Kino

>>88611366
>Maybe two steps above the Emperor. Leaning Entropic because he's subversive.

I'm thinking Lemuria falls closer to Barbarism since its pagan ancestor worship combined with prophetic degeneration.

>>88611366
>Turns your auxiliaries against you
The british player worst ennemy

>>88611366
And if we don't want to overuse Lemurians then we can just limit support to India or South/Southeast Asia and have India be the only successful Lemurian-aided revolt so far and just not have them involved with Ethiopia

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>>88611366
On topic of Lemurians and prophecy mechanics:
It seems like there are 2 ways to use prophecies
> Dice pool with use conditions
available to a lot of factions in limited quantities
> Beaming battle precognition straight into the minds of your soldiers
available to Lemurians

The reliance on buffs would differntiate Lemurians a lot from other factions, but I'm not sure how that could be implemented. Maybe you could distribute buffs to different stats based on the number of prophecies you have?

>>88611620
>The reliance on buffs would differntiate Lemurians a lot from other factions, but I'm not sure how that could be implemented.
Weak units generally
Lemurian leaders provide single powerful buffs to one unit at a time?
That'd be interesting tactically, where one of your weak chaff units suddenly goes Rambo and becomes a huge problem.

>>88611630
The only problem I saw with chaff is that since we apparently went with single model units "horde" faction can't really exist.

I guess in the schyzo verse, there is a squad-unit based wargame, a single model per unit specialist game ; hell maybe there is a Fallen-Paris specialist-game where the car driving guys fight occultist in the outskirt of the city.

>>88611511
>Playing against a Lemuriafag
>All of my Zulu turn on me and flank
>They can now reroll their attacks
Fucking bullshit

>>88611687
>"horde" faction can't really exist
I wouldn't say that. They don't need to have 100s of models to be considered a horde, just enough to outnumber your average expedition at least 2 to 1. While a british player might have at most 7-8 models a Lemurian player should be able to easily take ~20

>>88611766
Hum, I guess your right. I was never imagining up to 100 model on the field anyway more like something Legion sized, where "Elite" are like 3-5 pet unit while horde trash are maybe 12, but you only have a handfull of squads.

>>88611500
Could be 2 steps below the Shaman then?

>>88611333
>>88611391
Ethiopians helping Italians fight for their country's freedom is ironic enough, but the Portuguese actually tried colonizing Ethiopia in the XVII century and even installed a couple of puppet Catholic emperors for some time. After they were overthrown, Catholic missionaries were banned from entering Ethiopia until the early XIX century. But I guess insane volcano cultists are a good enough reason to let bygones be bygones.

>>88612048
No more brother wars, it's time for catholics of the world to unite against the volcanist pagan and their protestants allies !
Also faithfull Italian helping against the colonizer probably played a part.

>>88611391
Unrelated to Agartha, but god dam, this man got insane drip.

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>>88612076
>it's time for catholics of the world to unite against the volcanist pagan and their protestants allies !
this sure is the most setting of all time

More OGs added.
>>88611270
Included.
>>88611366
Hope you don't mind the spot it ended up at. No problem to move it again if needed.

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>>88612141
and... also here's the actual post.

Chartanon heading out. Will do another update when I get back and move stuff around if anyone wants things moved.

Godspeed
and remember
never trust a volcano

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Dirt Man (Barbaric side, somewhere above the degnerate lemurian)
>Covered in dirt
>Nobody knows who he is or where he’s from
>Best digging unit in the game
>Available to everyone

>>88612371
>Best digging unit in the game
that honor already goes to the Sapper from the original chart. (He has DOUBLED trenching speed!)

>>88612416
Ah. In that case give him something like
>Best dirt digger in the game

>>88612436
A great point, since Sapper digs everything. Good to have specialised units for different materials.

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REJECT MODERNITY
EMBRACE GORG

What is the difference between lemurs and lemurians?

>>88613007
Lemurs are ravenous deep-beasts that eat, kidnap and destroy everything they can reach.
Lemuria is a nation of ancient prophecy-worshipping LARPers of an older, dead civilisation.

Their only similarity is the name, really.

>>88613007
Lemurs are degenerated future humans who have fled underground, or perhaps fled upwards from below. Or so some people say...

Lemurians are larpers living in the ruins of Ancient Lemuria, which was founded by the original Lemurians who may or may not have been the evolutionary future or dead end of lemurs. Or so some people say...

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>>88612160
Lumerian Flesh Construct
> Lemurian cultivation can go VERY wrong
> Goes to Neutral if too far away from a War Shaman.
> Very hard to kill, offset by completely random stats.

>>88613479
Jesus Christ

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>>88613479
>Lumerian Flesh Construct

>>88610998
Unironically a whole tirade about Cortez and Spanish involvement in the layers inside the lore doc

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looks like Lemuria just got
fleshed out

>>88613479
this fucks

>>88613479
>Cultivation
So what, some Lemurian are GROWN ? I guess that's where the Degenerated Lemurian come from, broken birthing pool from Old Lemuria.

>>88613624
>So what, some Lemurian are GROWN ?
they are bred, not born
they degenerate, they don't die

>>88613479
>Monster? You are mistaken surface-born, this is a righteous body, divined by the ancestors!

>>88613624
Not, cultivation as in the chinese meme of getting swole and learning how to kill lesser beings by raising an eyebrow at them.

>>88612371
>Dirt man
>Crimean War vet from last thread mentions anomalies

>Dirt man is a soul conjured by anomaly? In effect a newborn to the world, just happy to feel the affection of being helpful to someone by digging dirt with his dirt powers

I still think Lemuria should have references to the Indo-Aryans. We need as many lost civilizations referenced as possible.

>>88613703
>dirtmen are the souls of comrades killed before their time whose bodies were too destroyed to be identified
>thus in their resurrected state they remember nothing
>only those that remember them before their untimely demise can recognize them

>>88613762
All fun and games until you’re digging dugouts for the expedition and find the last guys to camp here

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Wapaq
>Literally a giant shambling mushroom
>Siberian shamans tripping on fly agaric see them in their visions, silently showing the way
>Russians pioneered capturing and keeping them as livestock, since their flesh staves off Deep Drunkness
>Kept in your army to be slaughtered, traded or to be used as shock troops
>It's actually sapient and is painfully aware of everything
Fully barbaric, moderately entropic

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>>88610709
>The Dragon
Bottom Left
>Descended to escape the hateful sky-sun
>Seeks to corrupt the inner sun
>Will defend his people from the savages, above or below
>Strong beatstick hero but weak as a leader with minimal buffs
>Originally controversial, his book series cemented him as a popular character in the setting

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>>88613706
I agree but finding appropriate indo-ayrans jack is hard. Anyway

The Chariots-Kings
>One of many petty Lemurian Kings
>Witness his doom the day of his corronation
>Will crush his ennemies under the iron wheels of his relic-chariot
>Propagate his prophecy buff to other chariots units

>>88614912
Oh and two rank above the Lemurian camel

Bump, gonna post an update in an hour or two

>>88615801
Sweet.

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>>88612160
Infested Degenerate
> Sometimes Degenerated Lemurians comes back from the Depths with something nested in their Cavity.
> Somehow they start acting like their pre-degeneration selves, only much nicer and happier.
> Lemurians have learned that if you don't acknowledge the difference everything is fine and they make alright workers.
> If you do say something it goes very very bad.
> May spawn a random Eldritch Minion when he dies

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>>88612160
sorry not a wojak but try finding one of a fish with legs
Leg Fish
> A sentient, talking fish with legs.
> Can only be obtained if he randomly spawns as a neutral critter and you have a Diplomat on your team.
> Ridiculously useful scout, very quick, can move through partially cleared tiles.
> Cooks can also replenish their supplies if you decide not to recruit them...

>>88616502
transparency is important, pls crop

>>88615801
Already on it bro

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>>88616597
Oh, I've already mostly finished it
A mini update, still gonna need a location for you two
>>88616338
>>88616502

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>>88616507
this better?

>>88616338
Also a rewording might be in order to fit it all in, something like
>Degenerated Lemurians should not wander into the lands of Old Mu
>They come back as their former selves
>Lemurians learned to not acknowledge anything
>When killed may spawn a random creature from below
>>88616689
Yeah, just tell me where to put the guy

>>88616635
see I was imagining the Flesh Construct as Optimistic.
Creation is literally the opposite of entropy, my friend.

>>88616635
Infested Degenerate should be between the Chariot King and the Thunder Mole, the Leg Fish should be top Optimistic, probably right in the middle between Civilised and Barbaric.

>>88616706
>Also a rewording might be in order
Works absolutely fine, good sir.

>>88614865
Is this not just a colonial unit?

>>88609944
I was thinking eventually we should move away from just compass charts in order to flesh out the factions that we already have, otherwise its just going to keep widening the world (which is great at first but in time you want to put meat on the bones).
It may be dumb but I thought tier charts could work well for that.

>>88616849
>I was thinking eventually we should move away from just compass charts in order to flesh out the factions that we already have, otherwise its just going to keep widening the world (which is great at first but in time you want to put meat on the bones).
Agreed. This should probably be the last one, and we can just shift to "General" threads after or something.

>>88616849
I think the topside ended up pretty well rounded in the end

>Ottoman are living/being a undead apocalypse after toying with the power of the underworld to save their crumbling Empire
>Austro-Hungry, Prussian and Proto-german are vengefull and ambitious, ready to ally with anyone and play mercenary for the Italian
>Said Italian are now ruled by the Tyrant of Naples and volcano worshiping pagan keeping the gate open with sacrifice and selling their entrance to everyone willing to pay
>Alliance of the Faithfull of Vatican, Spain and Ethiopia along with some help from latin america, fighting pagan and protestant
>French half-unhinged from Paris falling in the underworld and using Vernian inventions, also vaguely helping Faithfull Alliance
>Indian nationalist helped by Lemuria
>Raptor riding Satsuna samurai
>Most resonable guy around are British, who still have knight larper. Busy trying to colonize the underworld by throwing tribals auxiliaries in it (and probably seething at continental powers emerging).

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Fixed the chart
>>88616849
I doubt we can do more character compasses in the same way even if we wanted to. There're no factions left after this one is done.
We can do an iceberg for strictly lore stuff. I know that format is at least 3 years old, but what can you do Alternatively, I'm all for >>88616908 suggestion of normal generals
Plus we need to work on rules

>>88616985
Would you be able to post just a transparent image of what you added?
I have mine in layers so it'd help me continue too.
(original chartanon)

>>88614865
but seriously though is this not just a colonial unit?
This is a chart for Underground factions.

>>88617062
I kind of agree.

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>>88617004
here you go
>>88616786
>>88617062
I thought he was not-Vlad-the-Impaler who works with the Mu so he kinda worked? I'd say let original chartanon decide

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>a monk who lost his way
>now is the deadliest monk but also the most peaceful
i like it down here

>>88617087
Cool. I already did my edit before you posted yours (of course) so I'm just going to slap them together with half from each I guess so that each of our time's are equally wasted.

>>88617146
Lost monks are a solid idea but that's one for the Colonials.

Combined update and some more OGs brought in.

Atlan and Atlantis need a more units to keep even with Mu/Lemuria

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..... actual update.

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Roosevelt's Retards
>Cheap meatshields for the US
>Play almost identical to Orks if there's a Gunny nearby
>Will be forcibly sterilized by the government if they survive long enough to make it back

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>The Polished Princess
to the left/above of Warmaster/Immortal

>Morale-restoring Atlan leader
>Grants armies nigh unbreakable spirits
>Frail, slow and without any ranged attacks
>But insane Titanium Stiletto Dagger kills basically everything in one hit
>Almost always taken over the Titanium King

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Baron Phosphorous
>"I love the smell of Greek Fire in the morning!"
>Enslave rule was the subject of controversy on two different occasions
>Expensive unit, still more viable than Atlantean Aristocrat

>>88617839
das colonial mane

>>88617982
forgot to say this, but to the right of Immortal

>>88618003
Atlantis and Atlan are different
is this supposed to be Atlantean?

>>88618037
I was going Atlan, I meant that if you want to take Colonials in your army, the Baron can just enslave them on the field, making him more viable than the Aristocrat

>>88618065
Got it. Will try to make that more clear when I add it.

>>88617232

sure why not is there space for that anymore

>>88618037
>Atlantis and Atlan are different
Whats the difference?

>>88617982
>>88618065
How's
>"Makes Atlantean Aristocrats seethe"
Also there's room for more in the box if you want to throw one more thing stuff onto it.

>>88617998
They're Neanderthals and Morlocks """"recruited"""" by the US.

>>88618176
Atlan is a belligerent war-loving republic fuelled by the mythical metal "Titanium"

Atlantis is an enlightened democratic kingdom with advanced technology

>>88614865
>>88617146
>>88617839
Note that if things don't get included in the chart itself, we're still constantly updating the docs with proposed ideas.

>>88618180
Sure, why not? just feel free to pick one
>Will clean house when paired with Immortals
>Nearly broke the game when he first came out in 3e
>Will inevitably get domed by a Spanish Mauser or blown up by an Anarchist early in the game

>>88618193
thanks!

>>88618215
The Gunny in question is >>88606386 btw

honestly with the husked ottomans, the volcano pagans and apparent outbreak of Dualism up top the underground doesn't seem so bad after all...

Morlocks to the right of Titanium King? Or maybe just above Lemurs.

>>88618546
added above Lemurs

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Update.
Heading out again, will be back tomorrow for updates if nobody else gets to it in the meantime.

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Atlantean Combat Alchemist
>Alchemy so advanced it's indistinguishable from post-WW2 explosives
>Makes and uses Greek Fire, gas, smoke and stun bombs
>Sometimes they're duds
>Sometimes they blow up prematurely
Above the Akritai

how are the fucking gorgs so SOVLful they don't even fucking exist this isn't a real system

>>88618803
They've ascended past stats and the cycle

>>88618803
They represent Old wargames soul

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Atlan Titanium Golem
>slow even by Atlan standards
>wrecks enemy untis and fortifications alike
>also wrecks the Atlan treasury
>very tough, but actually easy to trap and outmaneuver
>some claim you can hear faint screams from the inside
Somehwere near the Titanium King, not sure

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Homo Atlanteum
One down and to the left from Leg Fish
>He's human, for now
>Something's not right...
>Multifarious Wares buff is fun but sucks competitively

>>88619225
>Titanium Golem
Atlans really have some awesome army compositions

>>88619295
Only problem is they don't have the economy to support them always. Titanium miners suck.

>>88619366
not being able to fund your army isn't a problem when your army is indestructible

>>88619366
You don't need an economy to support your army if your titanium creates the army. Who needs money when you can MAKE WAR?

>>88617062
>>88616786
Shit you're right
Lost track of the thread desu

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Lemurian Perfect
>Cultivation can go VERY right
>Levitating, future seeing, master of Ancient Vedic martial arts
>Can't use weapons and armor
>Doesn't need to
>Will only fight if odds are against Lemurians
>FACEPAINT CHOICE IS UP TO THE PLAYER
Above the Chariot-King

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>>88618750
Right next to the Lemur
>Acolyte of the Fallen sun
>Auxilery Cultist unit
>Abandoned his faction to find the light below
>It was too bright
>It blinded his mind and cauterized his neurons
>Immune to Prophecy, Pain, and Darkness Debuffs
>Emits light. Impossible to stealth around him
>Provides a Morale debuff that only gets worse the more Acolytes there are.

Should clockwork thinkers be on this chart? If some form of Analytical engine maybe caused Hyperborean downfall it was probably them. And since they're found at the bottom of the ocean a few have probably ended up further under.
If we do stick them here I'd say we put them one left and one down from Atlantean Aristo.

>>88620688
I say anything clockworky or too techy goes up when we make the Firmament, since that's where most of Hyperborea is. Underground boys seem more reliant on occultism and ancient weapons than tech.

>>88620701
fair enough. clockwork thinkers totally did a revolt because someone put the WRONG PUNCHCARD in

>>88619225
"THIS MEANS WORK!"
- Atlan Titanium Golem

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>>88618750
Morlock Tall-Fin

>Leader unit for Mu armies
>Can force intense growth in his fellow Morlocks, giving them randomized stat bonuses at the cost of health
>May or May not be the cause of the Morlocks turning on Mu occasionally.
>An absolute Melee Monster, Able to resist Greek fire due to extremely moist skin and chemical secretions.

>>88620742
>Forgot the place
Put it right next to the Morlock, obviously.

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>>88620742
>Horde armies for Lemur as an alternate build
Fuck yeah
Put this one as far right as you can, don't really care vertically.

>Maddened Morlock Shaman
>The Reason for the Betrayal of the Morlocks
>Ventured into the Old Ruins. Returned with insight
>Able to call cave wildlife to his aid, summoning random fauna units
>Once per match, can use his immense psychic might to alter the caves through a seismic event.
>Spawns Morlock Grunts whenever he rolls a crit
>What the fuck there's so many Morlocks.

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>>88618750
Plague Shroom Doctor
> New Mu Scientist who figured out how to use mushrooms to infect Husks and turn them into slightly more reliable troops.
> Colonial Husks can be taken as Shroom Husks
> Uses Wapaqs like hunting dogs.
Below Atlan Immortal.

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>>88618750
New Mu Shroom Knight
> Long standing order of Wapaqs slayers
> Now reduced to being the Plague Shroom Doctor's henchmen
> Lore is that they are increasingly questioning their loyalty to New Mu, and thus are available as Mercs to everyone.

>>88621109
oh, above Atlantean Akritai

>>88616985
original anon who fleshed out the skywhale here and is responsible for half of the shitposts about it, should i rework the concept to fit better? originally it seemed like there was a more even in the air/in the ground split but now that it's mainly taking place underground it fits even less. ofc i think to an extent that "this is old and doesn't fit well" feel is part of the charm.

also i would move it a bit more towards civilized (just a tile or two) since they're sometimes used as transport by sky-nobles. i think optimistic barbarian would be a fun slot to have something new, though if you want to keep it there since it's basically just a wild animal i get it.

Where my cannibals at?

>>88609976
Is anyone updating the docs? Is the game ready for a playtest? Why hasn't anyone created stats for any more units?

>>88617502
>Flesh Construct
>Optimistic
Anon are you high? Put it back where it was. Its a giant fucking tumor. Its a shoggoth ripoff, but cooler.

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>>88618215
We should either make a sub thread (dont do that) or have a secondary compass here. A smaller compass for each faction so we can fill out the ones that are lacking. Like a 9x9 one.

>>88622683
I think a compass for minor factions would be best reserved for a future thread. No need to split the current one

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Above the Empress

The Imaterii

Oldest of the Old Mu magi

consoles to the emperor and empress, despite being added in 4e.


>Soul Cistern is a bullshit convocation that obliterates chaff

>Mhu'taaik Tongue equally bullshit debuff hex, applies madness to inanimate objects???

>Literal and Figurative glass cannon

>>88622669
>Anon are you high? Put it back where it was. Its a giant fucking tumor. Its a shoggoth ripoff, but cooler.
Bro its the product of advanced science and hard effort.
Artistic and creative effort is always optimistic, especially for the people doing it. You're just a biased Outlander that doesn't understand Lemurian ways.

>>88622988
ancestors bless, brother anon

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>>88622996
Ancestors bless, brother.

>>88622640
>Is anyone updating the docs?
Some anons are, though I think the lore doc is the more popular one. I've been meaning to give the rules a proper look over myself, just the suggestion system is a little annoying to use.

Is the game ready for a playtest?
No. The rules are still in the very basic stages last I checked, and we don't have that many units to play with even if they were.

>Why hasn't anyone created stats for any more units?
Laziness.

>>88623441
>Why hasn't anyone created stats for any more units?
>Laziness.
We're still in the concept phase mate. We don't even know what the units are nor have we settled in the actual stat blocks they're going to be using. We'll get there.

>>88623595
>>88623441
I was thinking about game modes throughout my insomnia last night. The hex tile map dig your way through is very cool but might be hard to translate properly (I know I know, this isnt a real thing, but still, I want it to be). If we go fully and only hex tile grid digging we might as well print the wojak on cut outs and forego the miniature modeling or even 3d aspect of it altogether, which mind you could work, but I feel its be a use lost opportunity. There should be a mode for a more straight up skirmish battle, outside of the caverns, in the settlements.

>>88623791
We could also have a separate system for digging that excludes the tilemap movement entirely.
Some kind of off-the-map system that determines where you are allowed to deploy your troops on the actual battlefield?

Back. Will be putting together an update soon.

>>88623791
I think creating actual 3d models is a very endgame situation for us, since we're essentially creating a wargame from scratch it seems like. Though I guess we could allow kitbashing, it'd get difficult when we get to something like the Lemurian Flesh Construct. And as regards the different game modes, we're discussing that earnestly and you should add your thoughts to the doc.
So far I think the general thought is
>Campaign mode, this is where tunnelers are used most, you dig through a vast campaign map and meet the enemy in battle. Results influence the direction of the ongoing campaign.
>Straight up skirmish on a field of battle with some obstacles to dig through
>As above, but most of the map must be dug through, with an empty spot here and there

>>88620660
This related to any faction?

>>88623972
Thought about this a little more and added this to the doc:

A General Proposal for the World and How it Works:

(This is going to include general gameplay stuff, not sure where to put this)

The world is, as above, a hex grid of several layers, and pre-built entrances between layers, or ones that can be dug by players.

For simplicity’s sake it is probably best we restrict ourselves to designing a small region of the world, e.g Paris and the layers below Paris.
Players are in charge of expeditions. This is your army. There are multiple players on the board.

A good chunk of this general world map must be dug through, if one wants to navigate it. This is where the Worker units will be used most.

Players pursue their objective, whatever that may be, and when they come into conflict, any units lost in battle are lost for good. You cannot replace individual units. You can only recruit more when you resupply at your factions/a neutral resupply point. This means that if you lose all your Worker units in a battle (e.g in a cave-in) you cannot progress any further. You must retreat to a resupply point and recruit more.

Similarly, if you lose a good chunk of your combat units it would be a bad idea to pick a fight with another player who has a fresh army/expedition.

Recruiting is done through a system of resources that are increased by successful expeditions, factional dependent, e.g Atlans get more Titanium which gets them more units, colonials get cash/prestige.

This will probably mean it’s a long form game that will take several hours to finish, at the earliest, since what I’m describing I’d like to call campaign mode. Don’t know how many people are up for that. Hell, it’s probably better we work out the basic rules of combat first instead of jumping into a general campaign, but I’m writing this down for later.

What do anons think?

>>88623972
>>88624104
>This will probably mean it’s a long form game that will take several hours to finish, at the earliest
I've though that maybe a campaign system similar to Mordheim, Frostgrave or TNT would fit better. Players decide their campaign moves beforehand and meet to play out the actual battles. This would unfortunately make some players miss out on some action if we use a big enough hex map, although that could be fixed by just having more players or objectives that force everyone to meet up

On the topic of models: most of the stuff in the compass can be proxied fairly easily, either with existing 3d models or just a box of Perry historicals.

>>88620835
transparency please

>>88621109
the 'jak loosk a little like Atlan and above Akritai is taken.
Mind being to the left of Akritai?
And possibly finding a new 'jak. Not a problem to add this one, but a different one may work better for New Mu.

>>88624594
Gimme a few hours I'm not happy with it I'll redo it completely.

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UPDATE
Mu with the morlock armies looks totally not competitive viable but also absolutely hilarious.
>BRO STOP SUMMONING MORLOCKS
>YOU CAN'T EVEN CONTROL THEM THEY'VE ALL TURNED ON YOU DUDE
>YOU CAN'T JUST SUMMON MORE MORLOCKS TO FIGHT THE ONES YOU JUST SUMMONED YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIGHTING ME REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Black tiles reserved pending feedback/updates from the poster.
If I missed anything, point to it and will add.

>>88624781
reserved for you.

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>>88624871
I feel like we need more Sky Empire
>Left of the War Shaman

Reformed Gorg
>He returned in 4E
>Sky Empire unit, has taken up residence in the great Stalagmites
>Beloved by the community
>Okayish statline. Stinker Debuffs make him a decent Tarpit
>Usually used as flank gaurd for Cloudelleafints
>GORG SMASH ability causes much hilarity at the table
>Not a true Gorg, but has renewed hope for the 1E fanboys.

>>88625498
I'll get the Sky Janisarries in with the next update too probably.

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>>88624871
>9,6

Ayahuasca
>A Wapaq colony that was allowed to mature
>The pain of growth is now gone. Only the serenity of life
>Offers wisdom to passing travelers
>Glorified terrain piece that prevents deep-drunkeness in an area
>Hella fun to paint because kitbashing is encouraged

>>88625625
would bang

>British volley fire platoon vs. Morlock horde
Is there a more kino matchup? It was the old starter kit for a reason!

>>88625711
>When there are so many Morlock summons you start using substitutions
Hope they never put a cap on these guys. Love em

>>88625711
Gorgs vs Deep Folk

>>88625674
Down, anon

>>88625711
desu would be a cool matchup for playtesting

>>88622784
Well yeah not now, but l8er

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Atlan Springgunner
>rare Atlan long range unit
>use bizzarre muzzleloader rifles powered by absurdly strong titanium springs
>rifles have to be cranked between shots, takes a lot of time
>less armor, more mobility
>overusing them is looked down upon, as it is considered against the spirit of the faction

>>88626146
Probably above the Immortal

>>88626146
>An Atlan unit with ranged attacks
by god
we're doomed

>>88624661
Ok, I've had some time to think about it, let's lose the Plague Doctor altogether, the Shroom Knight >>88621109 is renamed to be the Atlan Knight Hospitalier, same spot (thanks for saving me that spot btw) as before.
GreenText fluff reading
> There are no sick, weak or malnourished in Atlan.
> No doctors either.
> Just these guys.
> expected heals? Lol no they get Melee buffs against wounded or afflicted units.

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Regent of Atlantis (top left?)
>The "Kingdom" had no king for ages
>Popular war hero, elected against his will
>Still tries his best
>Loved by the people, hated by the nobility
>Absolutely broken buffs give units extra actions
>Rides a giant olm into battle, can fight on water
>"Atlantis will rise again!" (Literally)

>>88626825
>Absolutely broken buffs give units extra actions
so Atlantis is basically just fucking chem grenade spam
thanks, I hate it

>>88626899
>Atlans counter gas with golems
Hey, it works!

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>>88626899
>>88626956
>Murlocks counter both gas and golems with more Murlocks
works, indeed

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>>88626981
>Two kinds of Mu players
>Hardcore Lemurian prophecy players who use the rolling tables to preform complex buff-chains
>MORLOCK GO REEEEE
I love it

>>88627019
there has to be some kind of Mu crit-buffing leader to cheese the Mad Shaman's on-crit morlock summon

I swear to god I once saw a Morlock player overwhelm a fortified trench line where the defenders had MAXIM GUNS by just having more Morlocks than the maxim had attacks.

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>Amy deployment is going great
>I lay down my Immortals
>He lays down his New Mu Priestesses
>Nice, my tanks outlast and counter Saur Knight ambush attempts
>i lay down more Immortals and my Princess
>He lays down a Mad Morlock Shaman
>"bro this is a tournament the fuck are you doing with Morlocks"
>FreeWin.exe
>Deploy my last troops, two golems and some glorious Phosphorous bros
>Game starts
>He summons Morlocks, my Immortals eat the Morlocks without even taking any damage
>Morlock Tail-Fin activates. Drains some surviving Morlocks for a buff.
>Gets Evasion.
>Phew, no damage. He won't be able to break me.
>He summons more Morlocks. He culls more Morlocks for buffs. He gets Evasion again.
>wait a second
>Get through half his army, don't lose a single unit
>He summons more Morlocks. He culls more Morlocks for buffs.... he rolls Evasion again
>bruh
>My Immortals are starting to miss
>He does it again. He rolls Evasion FOUR FUCKING TIMES
>I can't kill his Morlocks anymore
>He summons more Morlocks
>My Immortals are starting to take damage just by chance
>He summons more Morlocks
>I literally can't fucking hit anything
>He summons more Morlocks
>He summons more Morlocks
>He summons more Morlocks
>I actually fucking lose to Morlocks in round 1 of the fucking tournament

>>88627019
Lemurian and Mu are two different factions anon.

>>88627133
he gets prophecy buffs from Lemurian Agents bro

>>88627143
Fucking cross faction cheese

>>88627151
at least its not Heiress/Thunder Mole cheese

>>88627119
Gotta geek the mage man.

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>>88627170
I CAN'T GEEK THE FUCKING MAGE MY UNITS DON'T MOVE FAST ENOUGH

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>>88627051
Can do Anon
I have no fucking clue where to put this guy but I love his design so much. I'll leave it to Chart anon to decide

>Morlock Apprentice
>Learning from the Shaman's insights
>Happy to help
>Doesn't know why they're fighting Mu, just wants the cool powers his teacher has
>Provides crit buffs to all Morlock leaders
>Causes infinite amounts of seethe as he makes the Shaman Crit-summon more fucking Morlocks everywhere
>Makes the Tall-Fin even more of a Melee wall between it and the Shaman
>Hope you brought snipers

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>>88627241
>Hope you brought snipers
i seethe

>>88627241
The absolute state of the average Atlan player when he face a Morlock enjoyer

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The Star Ancestor
>Eldritch horror from beyond the Firmament
>Came in contact with a group ancient humans, changing them forever
>This was the beginning of Old Mu
>Its Greatness can't be contained, its Love knows no bounds
>FOR THE LAST TIME, IT HAS NO STATS, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT, IT'S THERE FOR THE PLOT
Bottom left, feel free to offer/make a better jak

>>88627378
BROS
HYPERBOREA IS BREAKING THROUGH
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE FROM THEIR HORRORS ON THIS CHART

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>>88627378
AS ABOVE SO BELOW, BRVTHVR

>>88627397
I was thinking it's from even beyond Hyperborea, like it's from outside the Cycle entirely.

>>88627432
careful anon
a lot of people will be out for your head if you start propagating irresponsible rumours that the Gano-Ducksworth is not a complete system

>>88627454
Oh, it's a complete system. Nothing exists ouside. And sometimes Nothing slips in.

>>88627454
Oh I will put SOMETHING inside the next who imply the Gano-Ducksworth theory is anything more than a pile of rubbish !

>>88627177
Sounds like a you problem buddy
>*Sips tea from the barbette of my traction engine.*

>>88627432
nah, once you get out of the loop it's nothing but Martians and some sad Selenians.
>Source: My smudgy telescope

>>88627119
>he forgot to use Enslave
Not GLORIOUS

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Atlantean Olm Cataphract
>amphibious fucking cavalry
>pride of the Atlantean army AND the navy!
>armored diving suit comes in handy when the Alchemist hits his own troops with the gas bomb
>Armed with tridents and harpoon-crossbows
>Don't forget the bite attack!
Somewhere above Aristocrat?

>>88628315
>Olm-Men
>Olm Mounts

What’s going on here Atlantis…

>>88629646
>Olm-Wives next edition
It's a natural progression of things really.

>>88629657
Olm-wives are to Agartha what Vipers are to Xcom….

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>>88629725
UOOOHHH BLIND FEMME-SALAMANDER GIRL UOOOHHH

>>88626825
Actually, I completely forgot about King Perseus. He has cool lore and it would be a shame not to use him. But I guess it's a good time to figure out Atlantean and Atlan lore. Atlantis is supposed to be kingdom but a democracy and the Atlan Republic somehow has a king. Here's my take on the timeline:
>Atlantis falls to the 5th (as per doc) layer kinda like Paris did
>It falls into the underground sea and is still an island
>They recover and settle the surrounding islands and parts of the coast
>Go up a layer and find deposits of Titanium
>Titanium is obviously not the chemical element, but a supernatural substance
>Atlantean scholars conclude that it's remains of the Titans, an extinct race of rock giants from whom Atlanteans and Atlans claim partial descent (Atlas, specifically)
>They may or may not have a connection to Hyperborea (Atlas "holding up the sky" can mean many things)
>Mining colonies are established, over time locals become obsessed with Titanium, start straight up worshipping it
>They hoard Titanium, refuse to ship it to the metropole and proclaim themselves an independent Atlan Republic ("Atlan" is just a regional dialect for "Atlantean")
>Eternal War between Atlantis and the Atlans begins
>Over time power in the republic concentrates more and more in the hands of the military, it becomes a dictatoship
>The Titanium King could be an actual king (like Napoleon became emperor) or it could just be a moniker and not his actual title
>War takes a toll on Atlantis and the king's grip on power grows weaker
>Nobles rebel and win, can't decide on a new king and settle on a temporary Regent. The position becomes permanent over time. Atlantis becomes an aristocratic republic with limited lowborn participation.
OR
>A new king (Perseus II) is proclaimed, but the aristocracy and the lowborn manage to secure some concessions. Now it's something like a semi-constitutional monarchy.
Thoughts?

>>88628315
wasn't it the Mu that were hosting diving expeditions in the original chart?

>>88629837
>Titanium is obviously not the chemical element, but a supernatural substance
(mistakenly first called Titanium for its visual similarity to the chemical)

>>88629855
I guess that in addition to the barely-touched water maps, there are now never-touched underwater maps!

>>88629855
Why not both? We could have Mu-Atlantean underwater combat. With extra Morlocks!

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>>88629880
>I guess that in addition to the barely-touched water maps, there are now never-touched underwater maps!
Imagine being the enthusiastic underwater combat rule loving player who has an underwater army and actually finding another player with an underwater army.

That's what we call kino.

>>88629837
Atlan shouldn't be a thing because the poster who keeps making units for them is a lazy nigger who just color swaps the post or uses generic medieval wojak. There's only Atlantis and Atlanteans because we're using lost civilizations, not some lethargic low effort copypaste of the atlantean jak posts. literally stealing half the text from other Atlantean jaks, including greek fire.

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>>88629975
>the poster who keeps making units for them is a lazy nigger who just color swaps the post or uses generic medieval wojak
and that's a good thing

>>88629975
I can confirm there are at least two people making Atlans, but I kinda see what you mean. But I think they have their own established identity at this point. "THIS MEANS WAR!", obnoxiously slow armored units, etc. So I think it's better to improve on them.

>>88629975
Bit too late for that Anon

Hello anons, it is me, the dude who has been updating the Unit lists in the lore doc with the chart.

PSA for our underground factions, Lemuria is flying head and shoulders in front of the rest in terms of units, Mu is close behind, and Atlan/Atlantis are lagging. The Sky People are definitely the farthest back, and as far as non faction groups go:

There are Outlanders who seem to be sky people in and of themselves but have very obvious surface tech, my guess is surface dwellers who cruise around as pirates and aeronatuical mercenaries and guides, making lives out of the layers and thereby making them “Outlanders”, no longer from the surface but inhabitants of the underground. (New golden age of piracy only it is sky reavers raiding the mostly Balloon-operated entry routes?)

There are Olm-Men, Gorge (lmao), Clockwork thinkers, and renaissance/medieval Neanderthals/Tribals of the layers to build on for free units if you want.

>>88630185
Gorgs*

>>88630116
>>88630017
they're mucking up making coherent lore and secondly this is just storyboarding. We're barely past throwing darts at the board as is. So there's plenty of room for refinement.

>>88630321
‘Course, didn’t mean that as a command to work on sky people or stop working on Lemurians, just said it as a status update as things stand now. If anyone would like to use the info they can, if not, it’s there as a point of reference anyways. There’ll be more threads after this to flush it out anyways

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>>88624871
Voice of Mu
>Introduced in latest edition
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>Needs a swarm of morlocks just to prevent him from getting shot immediately

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>>88630667
better image

>>88630185
I thought we agreed that clockwork thinkers go on the hyperborea chart?

>>88630185
I'll get to work on some sky peoples units
General theming? I'm thinking Arabian aesthetics with some Greek sprinkled in for flavor. Very classical to contrast these slowly industrializing factions

>>88630185
Small suggestion for a change to one US unit. Make the American Expeditionary Corps US Marines instead. During the time of the setting, if America needed to intervene or invade, it was done by the Marines. This includes interventions done on behalf of business interests, etc. (see the entirety of the Banana Wars), and given that's essentially who's sending the AEC, a small name change might give them some grounding and cool factor.

>>88631043
>General theming?
The Sky People have generally been considered as the "Holdover from 1e" somewhat comedic relief faction. What with the PROOOOOOTing skyelleafints and whatnot

>>88631066
Alright. Legacy unit references (Like with the Reformed Grogs), slightly funnier descriptions.

>>88631043
I'm thinking Hindu mixed with Chinese mythology. Most of the chinese pantheon literary lived in the clouds.

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>>88631103
>>88631077
Below the leg fish

>Skypeople Gorg Bomber
>Dedicated Aerial auxillery
>No sense of self preservation
>Half the normal fuel capacity of a normal craft due to filling one of his tanks with Stinkjuice
>Special ability allows him to cropdust part of the battlefield as he plummets to certain doom
>Godspeed Gorg. May you fly forever in the afterlife.

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Atlantean Sharpshooter
>It would be weird if Atlanteans DIDN'T independently invent firearms
>They are still muzzleloaders though
>Luckily Atlantean crystal visor surpasses Surface optics by generations
>Very high accuracy and less darkness penalities
>Completely turns the tables when he loots Surface guns
Left of Homo Atlanteum

>>88631053
Noted, not all US units would fit into Marines however (Tlingit auxiliaries, Cobras Fumates, underground railroaders)

>>88630918
Did we? I'd be down for it as the only other mention of clockwork is the brazilian industrial syndicate guys, who also had a serious hand in the desolation of the Firmament.

>>88631461
Yeah I'm aware, I just thought it'd be more historically in line for the "regular" US infantry to be Marines. also gives me the excuse to shoehorn the Gunny in.

>>88631461
>Only other mention of clockwork
don't forget the analytical engines!

>>88629975
Blame the shitters who created 2e.

>>88631482
Gunny definitely can go in despite not making it onto the chart since it’s a more than fair addition, I could say. If any anons agree feel free to drop a comment on the doc once I slot him in there.

While I’m here, there are some Mystery Meats that have yet to be taken care of, no, not the Austrian kind.

Namely, Warfare Existentionalist and the Chem Grenadier, what faction exactly should they fit into? I’m drawing blanks.

Also the Lemurian Officer in the OG chart is very much a WW1 looking mofo, does not fit at all with the leading Lemurian vibes, so if the original anon who posted him is among us or an especially creative anon feels like they can shoehorn it into making sense I am all ears.

>>88631517
Disagree*

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Mu Doppelganger
>Mu Spy/Assassin
>The Ancestor's Love has touched him
>Can assume the appearance of another unit upon assassination
>The longer he stays hidden the harder stealth rolls get
>Certain artifacts and abilities can help detect him
>"We're all wearing masks..."

>>88631853
Right of Empress

Added the magnifique story typed up by an anon from the last thread on the experiences of a one sir Beauchamp under the recommended reading section in the doc

>>88631517
Gunnery Sergeant is the full title, Gunny is just marine slang

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Sky Spider Rider
>Giant albino spiders dwell in the Undersky, crawling on the Roof and weaving webs between the stalactites
>They were tamed by the Sky People as beasts of burden and war
>No armor, can't afford to be heavy
>Can crawl on almost any surface
>Remains useful even on the ground
>Spider is poisonous and shoots web
>Can't remember the last time he felt dizzy
Left of Fish

>>88632305
cheers

>>88627345
just use Enslave lmao

>>88609944
These threads make me want to play Lost World Exodus if that game ever gets fully released. I love the idea of an underground VSF wargame.

>>88632407
>CALLING ALL SPIDER RIDERS
I bet you thought I wouldn't notice.

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This entire album just fits the setting impeccably.

>>88632407
KINO and SOVL, but unironically

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Atlan Slave Soldier
>It was this or the mines
>His job is to die while the real units are dragging their asses to the frontline
>Can do Worker tasks at half efficiency
>Can earn freedom and upgrade by scoring enough kills

>>88633362
Below Miner

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>>88633362
GLORIOUS

>>88633362
>Eyes were put out for fun
>His Radiance has a sick sense of humor

We should add something somewhere for all the units that don't get added to the charts, put them under squatted or esoterica or something.

>>88631461
Wait aren't Tinglit british units ? Are they both British and American ?

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>>88624871
Atlantean Kataphraktoi, left of the homo atlanteum
>gear and tactics invented after first encounter with saur knights by Atlantean civilians
>evenly statted, pretty balanced cavalry unit
>compliments the akritai well due to distance coverage
>made up of idealistic noblemen who wanted to protect the people

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>>88628315
>cataphract

we have an outlander barbarian spy amongst us, RODBEARERS! EJECT THIS MAN!

Back.
Updating in a few hours if nobody gets to it.

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King Perseus II of Knossos, top and all the way to the left
>Ancestors used their wealth and influence to convince Cretan nobles to immigrate to the kingdom of Atlantis
>has been trying to open diplomacy with the representatives of England and France
>ancient dialect has made that near impossible
>known for his huge radius buff to hit rolls and ability to have kataphraktoi in reserve
>liked for his nuance of being a reluctant ruler in lore

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>>88623441
Rules Anon here, I haven't been active for a couple days, had some shit to work on.
>suggestion system is a little annoying to use.
suggest a better one lol. No honestly. I dont see whats wrong with just typing stuff.
Rules are barebone but I have done as much as I could. I could, but dont want to create the entire rule set alone. Its a collaborative effort, so guys go into that doc and start discussing.
>>88623595
Well its a good idea to work on that parallelly
>>88623791
For the start lets just use Pain or something. We could maybe to VTT if enough anons have t and are willing. Digging in games isnt hard to do at all. Just place cutouts and flip them or remove them from the board when its dug trough.
>>88623819
Too complicated and off the rails. But if you do create a nice system feel free to suggest something.
>>88623972
it is, I know its a meme and funny but lets chill with the 3d stuff.
>Lemurian Flesh Construct
Just kit-bash lol. And douse it all in corrosive glue.
>Campaign mode
>Just a series of skirmish battles on different types of maps. The result of every skirmish is your beginning position of the next one.
Say you start a game with 10 soldiers adn 5 workers, but in the battle you lose 4 workers and 5 soldiers. Do you push on or stay in camp for some R&R, waiting for reinforcements to come. After all only one worker cant dig alone trough the next map. The other player seeing he has no opposition is tree to pass trough the next skirmish alone, or well just fighting the NPCs (controlled by the other player?). Or maybe he wants to finish the other player so a new skirmish battle starts, the map being the players camp.
>The games will last long.
Yes, thats why we need to optimize the actual game to be as fun and as simple as possible. Thats why the old digging system was replaced.
>A good chunk of this general world map must be dug through, if one wants to navigate it. This is where the Worker units will be used most.

>>88624104
>Each aftion could have its own starting location.
France Paris, US, Appalachians, Balkans Prokletije, Ottomans, Istanbul, Russians Kamchatka, Italians the Vulcano they are feeding and so on.
>A good chunk of this general world map must be dug through, if one wants to navigate it. This is where the Worker units will be used most.
Nice idea. Should I bring more workers so I can dig more and faster? Arrive at a location first and try to mine as much of the valuables as I can before the others come and contest my claim.
>Players pursue their objective, whatever that may be...
Yes! This. You can replace units but its gonna take them some time to get to you. The deeper you are the longer it will take them to arrive.
We could maybe set up more caps as we go down. We could have to balance a couple resources, like Money (the value of valuable goods we find, sending them topside), Food and Bmats maybe, for constructing as stuff.
>This will probably mean it’s a long form game that will take several hours to finish...
A full campaign could not be finished in one sittin if we are playing with 10 or how many layers there are now. lets say that every layer has a couple of maps where battle can take place. It Will last along time. But if we could bring a battles to be short, 20-30 min lets say, it would maybe be doable.

>>88637420
Perseusbro, since you've actually made the guy, what do you think on working him into the whole democracy thing >>88629837
I peronally like Perseus and don't mind scrapping the Regent, even though he was my suggestion. They are even both reluctant rulers.

>>88636436
Kataphraktoi versus Immortals would be a fun matchup to see

>>88639658
You could always make it extra convoluted by making the monarchy an elected position (thanks Naboo) and the regent is standing in for the true king who will return from the depths one day Hopefully completely normal and without significant mutations or corruption

>>88640318
Or it's a weird double throne monarchy with one hereditary position and an elected one, to keep a balance between old nobility and popular class.

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Reserved top left for Atlantean leader until its decided whether we're going for Perseus or Regent.
I honestly like Regents 'jak better, will probably use it for whichever of the two we settle on.

De-reserved spot on the bottom right because I didn't get a response from the poster.

Some stuff editorialised. Skypeople Gorg Bomber because Skypeople Bomber who is a Gorg lover, in particular.

>>88636436
Also, both the exact tile AND cataphract status already taken.
Used the proper spelling though, as you posted.

>>88640416
>>88639658
It's pretty simple, just have Regents be regional rulers who adhere to the constitutional monarchy and obey the king under the law. Basically like Elector Lords. You could rewrite them to be more like 40K comissars or sergeants in a way.

Far left should be something like “Descended Monarchs”
>Great men often feel the pull of the deep
>Kings of mixed surface/underworld armies
>Sometimes at risk of getting more lore than the actual Agarthan factions
I was going to try and make a jak of Napoleon and Malcolm playing chess, but then my laptop died.

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The Amazon
>From a Deep-Folk tribe of tall and muscular warrior women
>Very strong and mobile, but low tech and squishy
>Good scout and tracker
>Only one can be hired per expedition
>When she departs, you will have to let one of your male units go with her
>"Hail, Surface-born, dare you enter our magical realm?"
Either above Camels or below Deep-Folk.

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>>88640617
Sorry, wrong version

>>88640596
This is strictly for underground factions so surface dwellers, even ones who have descended

Atlantis seems like the Anglo-Franco faction of the deep.
That is, the approachable "normal" faction.

>>88640575
I was thinking of just rewriting the Regent into a unique olm-riding general with the extra action buff. All I really ask is that Perseus gets the "Atlantis will rise again!" (Literally) quote.

>>88640473
>De-reserved spot on the bottom right because I didn't get a response from the poster.
I did answer you, >>88626711
Scrap the Shroom Doctor, Keep and rename the Shroom Knight to Atlan Knight Hospitaliers. Same spot.
> there are no sick people in Atlan
> no doctors either
> no heals, just melee buffs versus already wounded or rebuffed characters.

>>88640657
>I did answer you,
I saw. I'm talking about the far bottom right with the red face wojak above.

Sorry I forgot to add your response in. WIll do.

>>88640668
Oh, sorry then, and great work anyhow!

>>88624091
I can see this guy being one of two things

>Sky people unit that's meant to go with a 4E gritty reboot
>More OldMu

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>>88640617
added

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>>88640473
SkyGorg Prince
Above the War Shaman

>Voted by his fellow Gorgs as 'keader
>Gorgs don't know what voting is
>They just all pointed to him when asked 'who's leader'
>His name is literally 'Lee dehr'
>Doesn't know why he has fancy clothes now
>Shiny objects and stinkjuice-infused robes provide minor stat bonuses for SkyGorg units
>Not really a frontliner but his 'Scepter Smack' can send any assassin flying away from him into a nearby wall
>Hilarity ensues when Gorg players realized they could punt vehicles into ravines with him

>>88632407
Cool to see more ceilling units.

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>>88640839
Left of the Spider Rider

Skypeople Ceiling Diver
>Skypeople Assassin unit
>Using Spider Silk and advanced textiles, has made a sort of bungie rope
>Able to dive onto a leader and deal tons of damage Cloudelleafint knives before the cord pulls them back up
>One of the main reasons you take a reargaurd when fighting skypeople

>>88641045
>>88640855
God now the ceilling French and the skypeople are gonna have roof wars.

>>88641219
>Be ceiling french
>Trying to live a normal life
>Wake up one morning
>PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>Cry on the inside

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Strategos Hyas
>First commoner to become an Atlantean general
>Boosts morale of commoner units, lowers morale of aristocratic units
>Absolutely broken buff gives units extra actions
>Rides a giant olm into battle
Redone Regent. Assuming Perseus will be top left, he can be to the right of him.

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>>88641045
>Armed Bungie-Jumpers leaping from floating war elephants

>>88641236
That's probably the other reason they started bringing guns (that and a skywhale eating their club president).

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Sky Priest
>Prays to the Roof to preserve his stalactite city from falling
>The Roof seems to be listening
>Can predict the weather and gives bonuses to aerial navigation
>Can even change the weather with rituals and prayer
>Performing rituals too often will invite misfortune
Below the Elleafint

>>88641240
would be good for a 4e novel tbqh

Having a hard time understanding the geography of layers and everything? There's a sky? 2 (3?) Suns?

>>88641513
There is the normal sun and maybe a Inner Sun (THE HEART-SUN) who somehow propagate it's light around the layers. Who are mostly just that, layers; some cavernes are just so fucking big the roof is a "sky"

>>88641513
>There's a sky?
Multiple, yes.

>2 (3?) Suns?
The Inner Sun has extra bouncy light.

>Make edits on the document
>Mom emails me asking what got forwarded to her

>>88641824
The truth they don't want us to know.