>>84902347
>And what monsters have we missed between 1950-2000 because so much anxiety was projected unto government and communism?
you say that like plenty of the monsters in that era weren't expression of the fears of communism

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Vampires since they tend to represent the abuses of the wealthy and powerful. Kaiju since they tend to represent weapons of mass destruction. Zombies since they represent plagues and disease.

>>84902407
I thought zombies represented mindless consumerism

The definitive monsters of the 2000s are zombies (the running kind) and weird lanklets that stalk you (like Slenderman and Sirenhead)

>>84902434
all three of the monsters they mentioned have been used to represent plenty of things other than those.

>>84902347
Aliens and cryptids exist now as an expression of society's mistrust toward government and its institutions. The belief that there's something else out there being hidden by men in shades and black suits. That knowledge and truth are being suppressed in the name of "public good". Experiments and events gone wrong and covered up due to "national security". There's less of a focus on monsters as things that CAN'T be explain and more of a focus on things that AREN'T being explained. It makes sense as society in the past 100 years has moved on from looking at a magic sky wizard for answers and toward empirical evidence given by science for answers. The answer to these questions is there, and with training and the right tools you can get those answers - but someone is hiding the tools and the problems. Modern monsters are all about the anxiety of being unable to trust the government and world around you. It's why everything is hidden. Secret societies, secret cryptids, secret worlds. We're anxious because we're being lied to at every turn and bombarded by information that might be true or might be false and there's no objectively truthful place to find an answer. There's no comfort.

>>84902551
We're anxious because of chemicals in our brains. No matter how safe and secure we are, there is some part of everyone that is going to be afraid and some people are afraid all the time no matter how safe and secure they are. That's the human condition. Turning against the very institutions that keep them safe is exactly what people do when they're so safe they have no illusions of danger and so the institutions present the people with threats to use their fear to sway their opinions. Aliens are a pretty 20th century manifestation - its going to be AI very soon.

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>>84902686
>Soon

How often does 4chan discourse devolve into calling someone a bot? As the power of simulating reality develops faster than than the power to digitize any text, image or video there is no certainty. As we immerse ourselves digitally, into what? Is everything we see generated at my expense while the beneficiary is oblivious to it. The digital trends evermore to the the malicious while it only gets more seductive.

>>84902347
Terrorists. Delta Green's version of the Tcho Tcho work perfectly for this.

>>84902434
>>84902407
Generally speaking zombies represent the fear of violent underclass revolution - poor, blacks, migrants,and similar groups.

Vampires cater to fear about those richer and more powerful than you. Zombies cater to fear of those poorer and less powerful banding up and destroying the status quo.

If there was a vampire culture, their zombie apocalypse equivalent would be be "human apocalypse "

>>84902347
Man is the scariest

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>>84904629
>Generally speaking zombies represent the fear of violent underclass revolution - poor, blacks, migrants,and similar groups.
Since when?
Most everyone in zombie movies is some working/middle class schmuck if they aren't the scientist who's going to try and save the day. The most iconic zombie video games are all about average Joe's trying to not get eaten.

>>84902347
Traditional games?

>>84902347
>What are the monsters of modern day?
slendermans

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>>84902347
>Monsters are a reflection of cultural anxiety

No? Monsters are a reflection of spiritual beliefs manifesting concepts about life, death, mortality, chaos, the divine, the hellish, and also are representations of our fears of the unknown, as well as metaphors and analogies for animals that actually exist. Unless you think the Kraken is some sort of "cultural anxiety" and not because sailors actually saw giant fucking squids every now and then and were terrified of the oceans.

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>>84902347
>And what monsters have we missed between 1950-2000 because so much anxiety was projected unto government and communism?
So you think that the majority of the monsters in all the science fiction, fantasy and horror movies made in that timeframe weren't reflections of the fears and anxieties of their times, including cold war, government control and communism?
Haven't you considered maybe it would be worth having at least an entry level understanding of a given topic before you start making bold threads about it?

>>84904629
I see them as more of a parallel for mindless consumerism.

>>84904615
The tcho tcho are great because they specifically lend the awkward ambiguity to the modern setting that makes it stand out. Are the Tcho-tcho actually cannibalistic cultists of the old gods or are they just a misunderstood and persecuted ethnicity tormented by generations of government suspicion? Every time I've introduced the tcho-tcho I've seen my groups devolve into infighting as they're forced to ask themselves that question IC and confront the possibility of needing to be straight up fucking racist in dealing with the literal Yellow Peril OOC. It's my favorite part of breaking in a new DG group.

>>84904629
Dawn of the Dead portrays zombies as succumbing to consumerism, but I'm not sure of an example beyond that. Maybe Evil Dead? I don't know much about that series. Where have zombies been portrayed as underclass?

>>84902686
>We're anxious because of chemicals in our brains.
Did the chemicals in your brain tell you that?

>>84905511
because that's what they were meant as, at least originally.
Today zombies are used mostly just as a catalyst for human conflict, or just as mindless action-fodder. But if we were to dissect the 'catalyst for human conflict' aspect, I guess we could see them as a manifestation of anxieties about survival in the event of a cataclysm or a societal collapse, and/or of our fear and mistrust for the people who surround us and the fragility of our superficial social bonds and our civilized behaviours (like 'would my friendly neighbour kill me to steal my food if he was starving?')

>>84902347
MiBs are a reflection of the modern fear of a faceless government entity being able to snatch you up out of seemingly no where.

>>84905472
While there is legs to your general point, the kraken squid connection is fascinatingly post hoc, if one considers 1300s post.

>>84905488
>So you think that the majority of the monsters in all the science fiction, fantasy and horror movies made in that timeframe weren't reflections of the fears and anxieties of their times, including cold war, government control and communism?

I am saying it is almost all about those. These themes overshadowed other themes which could have been fruitful for monsters. In short, if godzilla had not taken up cultural real estate, what would have taken it's place in Japan?

>>84905828
Oh, so you mean what if we had been anxious about other things instead. I completely misread that, sorry.

>>84905649
Land of the Dead?

>>84904629
>Generally speaking zombies represent the fear of violent underclass revolution - poor, blacks, migrants,and similar groups.
what in the actual fuck are you smoking?

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>>84904629
I always saw zombies as alienation anxiety of big cities: these unknown people could eat you and nothign is stopping them except the carrot.

>Also Eva get?

>>84902391
I'm reminded of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I've seen the original 1950's and 1970's version.

What's interesting about the film is it's been both identified with fears of communism, and fears of McCarthyism. Meanwhile the filmmakers said it was a critique of rampant consumerism.

Another interesting one I've seen which was made in the 50's but set in the 20's was based on what was called the 'Great Scopes Monkey Trial', wherein a small town in bumfuck America tried to get a science teacher fired for teaching evolution. The whole thing got caught up by the Media as a fight between religion and the constitution, with a very famous preacher getting involved arguing before the court that teaching evolution violated their religious liberty, and the other side pointing out not only is evolution fact, saying your religion means a science teacher can't teach it violates free speech. Naturally the religious side lost and was extremely embarrassed, with nations around the world getting a good laugh that this was remotely controversial in the US. However when it was made in the 50's, it was an allegory for McCarthyism (even fighting for a good cause like religion/anti-communism you can end up trampling on the constitution betraying the very ideals that you're fighting for).

Of course nowadays the evolution angle is taken at face value by most modern audiences. Cause you know, people are genuinely arguing again that they shouldn't teach evolution in schools, because we've regressed societally by a whole century.

>>84904629
I guess you didn't watch Dawn of the Dead, where the last survivor is a black guy, and when the police show up, shoot him on sight because they are too racist to distinguish a living black guy with a zombie, in a condemnation of american race-relations.
>>84906259
I've heard some people say it represents a 'great man' libertarian sort of fantasy. Though I think that's more true broadly of the post-apocalyptic genre.

With 90% of the population dead, the protagonist (that the audience always self-inserts as- this is even more true in video-games) is free to be a rugged man surviving on his wits and his skill with a gun. Key pursuits are manly pursuits of hunting and crafting, and the protagonist is the key arbiter of morality (not that he is all good, but that he decides the tenor of the setting he is in).

Not to say I think you have to be a libertarian to enjoy Walking Dead or Fallout. Just that if you like the idea of that sort of fantasy, well it does a really good job of appealing to you.

>>84902347
Ghosts or simply anything that implies the existence of the soul and an imperfect existence beyond material life

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i think skinwalkers are representative of a cultural fear of serial killers, things that look like people on the surface but behave strangely in ways that betray something wrong just below the surface

>>84906844
I do wonder how people reacted to serial killers existing back in the day. I mean without an organized sort of police force to track killings and track down serial killers.

I mean I would guess most people assumed they were possessed by some manner of spirit, but part of the problem would be catching them and tracking them to their victims, what with forensic criminology not existing. Jack the Ripper is so infamous because he was never caught.

>1950-2000
Fuck that tell me about monsters from:
>1850-1900
Excepting the obvious answers of Martians and the Irish

>>84902347
Traditional games?

>>84907602
Gothic horror monsters obviously.

Frankenstein represents a fear of technology stepping on the toes of god and going too far.

Dracula with vampires represents by contrast a fear of an old and decaying world order of aristocracy and mysticism (notably it's very feminist for it's era, as while women are treated as dainty and helpless, Mina Harper is still brought on the teams hunt for the vampire, and is constantly right throughout the book, with the male characters often dismissing her observations only for her to be instantly proven right). It also features a strong fear of female sexuality (the vampire brides are very sexy, and try to kill/seduce one of the protagonists, women are constantly described as insanely hotter the closer to death they are).

The Island of Dr. Moreau is about the fear of the moral decay caused by colonialism. A supposedly civilized and well regarded white man starts hunting exotic game, but when his guns make the job too easy he upgrades to black people, and when that proves to tame, he upgrades to white people.

The Raven and Tell-Tale heart about about insanity naturally.

I forget the name, but I also remember reading one of Nathaniel Hawthorne's stories, where he finds out his whole town, plus wife (back in the salem-witch trial days) went off into the woods to do pagan demonic rituals with the indians, and when he wakes back up in his bed is too scared to ask anyone if what he saw was a dream on the chance that it wasn't. So fear that your entire town might be doing demonic rituals while putting on a good christian face in public.

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>>84902347
Drug based cult leaders

>>84907887
>The Island of Dr. Moreau is about the fear of the moral decay caused by colonialism. A supposedly civilized and well regarded white man starts hunting exotic game, but when his guns make the job too easy he upgrades to black people, and when that proves to tame, he upgrades to white people.
That's The Most Dangerous Game. Island of Dr. Moreau is fear of colonialism from the other side, that you can't tame the savages which are now distributed throughout your civilization and at any point they could go berserk.

>>84908353
Oh got the name wrong, sorry.

>>84905761
>because that's what they were meant as, at least originally.
Zombies predate the very concept of consumerism by a large margin. Try again.

>>84908444
I was obviously talking about modern depiciton of zombies in medias, the ones that are relevant to our pop culture and to the discussion at hand. I assumed that would be implied and understood, but I clearly underestimated the litigious autism of some of the fuckers infesting this board.

>>84902686
>its going to be AI very soon.
Also another Modern Monster cliché, the enhanced human. Our society's norms claim all are created equal, what happens when people can genuinely make that untrue, either positively with a genuinely superior race of genetically modified supermen or negatively with ketracel-white addicted slaves?

>>84910553
Or another one- if genetic editigng becomes easy, would that incentivize eugenics and create certain genetic castes? I mean would anyone be born autistic, or a dwarf if you can catch all those genes before even insemination?

I remember in one class we had, we watched a movie where in the future all pregnancies were done artificially, except for the protagonists whose parents did it 'the old fashioned way'. But because of genetic cataloguing it was determined he had a terminal illness that would kill him before he reached thirty, and was thus unemployable as nobody wanted to give a job to the one guy they knew was terminally ill.

>>84910616
>I remember in one class we had, we watched a movie where in the future all pregnancies were done artificially, except for the protagonists whose parents did it 'the old fashioned way'. But because of genetic cataloguing it was determined he had a terminal illness that would kill him before he reached thirty, and was thus unemployable as nobody wanted to give a job to the one guy they knew was terminally ill.
There's nothing wrong with the future turning into Gattaca. The Gattaca institution alone was launching twelve manned missions to the jovian moons a day.

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I think part of why Lovecraftian style horror and monsters have taken off so much in modern times, aside from fear of the unknown always being relevant (especially in an era where we feel like we know most things), is the inherent nihilism of it. I feel like feelings of ennui have become so common especially in young people that the idea of horror theming around an infinite and uncaring cosmos has gained a certain resonance with people. The thought that you don't matter and the world is far beyond your control feels a lot more pertinent in a world where people often feel powerless and see bad shit in the news so often we become desensitized to it.

There's probably also a certain spiritual aspect to it. Atheism is a lot more common these days, but most people at least grew up with religious parents. The ones that didn't still live in a society heavily influenced by religion, and even the people who stay religious often have to confront certain aspects of their religion either they or others take issues with. All that to say, it makes sense that stories and media about gods that don't care about you or may even be outright malevolent are popular right now. Doesn't help that biblically accurate angels are the new fun fact that everyone already knows about.

>>84912158
The difference between Cthulhu and a gamma ray burst is nobody’s ruined the latter with cute plushies made by Chinese slave labor. Yet.

>>84902347
Well the resurgence of skin walkers is interesting because its a sort of amalgam. Fear of others being dangerous or even inhuman, fear of being replaced or impersonated and fear of nature/the boundaries of civilization.

Government and Corporations both are a source of many modern fears, rightly so. But they embody those fears themselves rather than having to have a monster as a physical representative. Which is why, I think, there aren't too many new urban legend monsters cropping up. We already can point to the source of the fear, it's not nameless at all.

"Glowies" would actually be a fun direction to take for a monster. Fear of entrapment, fear of other's impersonating or faking their identities, a partial fear of isolation or being alone in your beliefs.
Another might be a monster that erases your presence but leaves you alive. Like being banned or blocked in real life. Taking up physical space but being completely invisible to those around you.
One thing I see consistently in modern spooky stories is things existing on the edge of our civilization that go unacknowledged or unexplained. That's obviously been a thing since civilization stopped at the edge of the firelight but these often take a very violent and predatory feel. They encroach very close to but not quite into our space. Subway tunnels and abandoned buildings. Things that just pluck strangers away without fanfare or drama. With people feeling more and more isolated even in their own communities the protection of neighbours is losing its power, these new things can stalk you right up to your home, look in your windows, knock on your door. At least at night.

We have fewer names and faces for our monsters but many of them are very similar in idea to our oldest ones.

>>84910553
My two penneth?
"Our society's norms" aka the top-down view pushed by the elite, is objectively wrong.
No man is equal to another, or even to himself on a different day.

The horror of the cyborg is the reification of this creeping doubt.

>>84907537
Serial killings in medieval times were attributed to werewolfs and vampires.

>>84902347
Creepypastas are the new zeitgeist.

>>84914068
>a web fad that has been dead for almost a decade
No, you're just old

>>84914098
No no, you misunderstand. It used to be campfire stories but now everyone is internet addicted. Hence the creepypastas.

>>84905273
Because the middle class doesn't hate the upper class. The middle class tries to get status and approval of them. Since they cant get big status through big money, they do so by education and intellectual pursuits. What the middle class truly fears however is descending down into the lower class. So they kick down and try to separate themself in whatever way they can.

>>84907537
Serial killers weren't particularly common historically.
They tend to occur in urbanized societies, where people frequently come into contact with strangers.
Notably, hunter-gatherer tribes have a far, far lower rate of "Mental Illness" in general.
Banditry on the other hand, was ubiquitous before the modern era, and may well have served as an outlet for similar tendencies.

>>84910853
Just so you know.
I consider your belief to constitute a legitimate reason to be prejudiced against you.
As it marks you as an inferior sort of human soul.
And I am note alone in this.

Keep it under your hat boyo.

>>84905488
Pic not related? Because if you think that Godzilla does not symbolize anything, then you are a complete retard who tries to pretend to be smart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla

>>84902347
In old movies monsters were often generic critters from emerging from a cave or the ocean to wreck some shit.
And then there were a bunch of space-losers who stopped by in tinfoil-UFOs flashing their space dicks at people until the US military decided to just kick them in the balls and tell the aliens to fuck off.
And off the aliens fucked,

>>84913288
>"Our society's norms" aka the top-down view pushed by the elite, is objectively wrong.
So 'Rule of Pater', the justification of the inherited position of nobility that they were 'born greater', is correct?
Because 'all men are created equal' was a refutation of the idea of born nobility, and was considered unthinkably revolutionary in it's time.

>>84914443
>Notably, hunter-gatherer tribes have a far, far lower rate of "Mental Illness" in general.
Retards tend to die unless they are supported by others willing to sacrifice for them.

>>84902347
>What are the monsters of modern day?
Slaanesh worshiping hook-nosed vampires and their armies of orcs.

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>government corrupt, uncaring and only works to benefit the elite
>greedy company, uncaring of consumer
>global warming
>mass migration of poor/ foreign people
>Misinformation and information overload through internet
>societal divide in ever smaller groups, tribalism
>western degeneracy (if right wing)
>rise of right wing (if left wing)
>unaffordable housing
So what monsters would best represent these modern fears? And did i miss anything?

>>84902347
I'd reply in earnest but I don't feel like getting banned by the leftypol mods.

>>84914564
Yup.
I've come to percieve that a lot of the issues with modern society, basically spring from us not killing off the worst members of our tribe, either by exiling them to die in the wastes, or by ritually sacrificing them to swamp gods.

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>>84914596
The Jew. Not actual jews, as in the actual ethnic demographic of human beings, but THE INSIDIOUS SUPERNATURAL VAMPIRE LIZARD JEW, with his secret societies and esoteric handshakes that YOU are not privy to. The Bilderberg-Illuminati-Rothschild-superbeing, a pulsating, tenatcled mass at the upper echelons of power, writhing with its many eldritch appendages. It will not rest until every single human being is reduced to an interchangeable blood bag in the hellish society it rules over. The newest incarnation of The Great Power That Wishes You Harm, it is the Deadly Gangster Frankenstein Computer God of Francis E. Dec's fevered nightmares. Shooting DEADLY TOUCH TARANTULA SPIDERS around every corner! Storing your memories in its secret databanks on the far side of the moon! Eating the blood of our young and installing radio control chips in every brain!


So, vampires with extra steps, really.

>>84902347
Watching TV i usually keep seeing the same three things on primetime cable bullshit.

Drugs/Descent into crime
Cucking/Groups that fuck each other
Secret lives/Serial Killers

Not sure what monster to make of that

>>84914596
My number one fear is loss of the family unit. So many broken families, single moms, deadbeat or absent fathers, this push by the media that you "choose" family. Alternative family surrogates like "The Avengers are a family" or "the mom friend, who takes care of her other friends" the idea that a pet is "like your kid". Its like they want people stop having kids or at least let the kids be raised by the state so that no one has familial ties anymore. I don't want to sound like a boomer cause I'm a fucking 90's kid, but its so fucking exhausting to see no good father figures on TV. They are all dumb, fat, incompetent, cucks, failures, not fucking there, etc. Its like men are no longer supposed to have kids. Or they are supposed to adopt a kid instead. I'm one of the only guys in my neighborhood with a kids & out of that small group that has kids, I'm the only one still with my wife. When we show up to talk to doctors or teachers they are surprised I even fucking exist let alone came. Its depressing and scary at the same time

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>>84914999
Also Anglos.

>>84914464
>human beings are all equal because... because they are, okay?!
There's nothing wrong with genetic discrimination based on ability.
Employers today frequently discriminate based on genetic factors such as intelligence or physical size, so what's wrong with making sure you don't send a guy prone to heart attacks on a cardiologically stressful space flight?
Hell, in the film Gattaca the main character is wheezing and fucking dying just trying to match the physical abilities of his comrades. He's cheating standards to get in, and is no different from a student cheating on a test to get into university.
One of the big takeaways from Gattaca is that while the main character's actions are heroic and admirable, people are ultimately justified in their discrimination based on genetic factors. There are plenty of points in the film where "Jerome" has a really shitty time dealing with physical problems because of how he was born.
And it's not like the main character had an awful life. He was just a working class guy instead of being an astronaut, a job he didn't have the qualifications for.

Not sure why I bothered typing this out. I have a feeling you're more the "faithful to arbitrary opinions" type than the "changes mind based on evidence" type.

>>84915388
>working class life
>not awful

>>84915388
NTA but Gattaca is a fascinating movie because of all of this. Personally I believe in a meritocracy, but I will defend "Jerome" here. In Gattaca the invalid are marginalized in everyday. If not a question of if a person van do the job, its a question of valid/invalid. The main character is not necessarily going to fail, or let down his comrades because he has proven he can keep up with them despite genetic factors. He has shown his merit. The others were gifted their merit & thus have nothing to prove.

>>84915421
What's wrong with the life enjoyed by Gattaca's main character? He works a relatively low effort job that pays him well enough to own his own apartment and buy both education supplies and fitness equipment. He has q higher quality of life than the average worker today, yet his society is considered evil because they have fitness standards for their spqce program.

>>84915441
I certainly agree that Jerome is an admirable character and an example of a person surmounting great difficulty to achieve their dreams, but he frankly doesn't meet the standards of his comrades. The treadmill scene is meant to show this, as he struggles and pants and wheezes against the fitness standards of the company.

>>84915533
He still succeeded though. So he does meet those standards

>>84902434

zombies scare me b/c of assimilation. Reminds me of communism, only works if everyone submits and they will make you one of them.

>>84915647
He succeeded in tricking other people into thinking he met their fitness standards using advanced technology and cunning.

>>84906259

definitely this too. Zombie movies always made me uncomfortable of being consumed by a crowd and being in a city where a mob lives surrounding you, all isolated and strangers to each other is hell on Earth.

I'm a country boy and that's always been way more disturbing to me than a thing in the woods.

>>84906387

Evolution hasn't been proven, it's been accepted, and govt employees talking to kids at work shouldn't be an expression of their speech.

>>84914556

Doesn't change that it is a lie. No 2 people are equal and will never have the same life. If economics is ever taken care of , then people are going to start paying to social status, sex partners, the stuff that actually controls life satisfaction.

I'm much poorer than many people much more miserable than I, b/c I was good looking and sociable so slept with many beautiful woman, picked the best one to be my wife, and have 4 of the most beautiful children I have ever seen.

Every day of my life is surrounded by angelic beauty and joy. How do you equalize that? How do you give that to everyone?

Plus "experts" ( a given title, often times given without tangible proof of competency) is trying to be the new aristocracy and people are rightfully rejecting it.

>>84914572

based and hauntingly true.

>>84915118
Don't wanna turn this shit into a dad blog, but this is real. Just taking my daughter to a medical appointment alone gets me treated like an oddity.

A couple monster ideas inspired by this feel:
1. Zombie apocalypse, apathy edition - a bizarre parasite that stops people from giving a fuck. Utilities and commerce grind to a halt. You can't even call most people because they can't be arsed to answer, and if they do, they want you to bring over some snacks or dick. People with strong urges of any sort would have no fucks to resist them, and few would give enough fucks to stop those acting on said urges.
2. Dirac Spider - a massive, hundred-legged centipede-spider that makes webs in the "space between space". It populates it's extradimensional webs with replicas of real things to make them "invisible" to humans. It can make both locations and life-like puppets with incredible precision, but it cannot make them substantial or "genuine". Objects it makes are either too solid or too flimsy. Puppets function how the spider thinks they should work, which is based upon a flawed understanding of humanity.

>>84915118

Good father! I'm here with you brother.

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>>84905273
>>84905926
think of a village of poor-as-fuck feudal farmers one day just saying "fuck it" and deciding that the local lord must die
now, imagine that said local lord doesn't have his 3 gazillion man-at-arms in plate armor and is left vulnerable in his keep, so you see this horde of corpse-like bodies, dressed with nothing but torn clothes and rags, ravaged by sickness and deseas, reecking of shit and mud and death, wobbling toward you with singleminded murderous intent, they won't listen to reason and they won't stop till you die
and the more villages they reach, the more people join in their dark crusade, the numbers swelling exponentially
and the worse things? even in your keep there is thought of joining them, you can see it in the eyes of your servants, their hatred of (You) spreading like a curse, or a virus, slowly overtaking them, till they'll be at your throat

the fear of the zombie is the primeval fear of the Horde

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>>84902347
a pretty good fear os that of the Psychopathic Ultra-Rich a la Norman Bates

>>84902347
>Kaiju: A reflection of how we secretly yearn for some kind of retaliation from nature to destroy modern industrialization
>Space aliens: Our fear that man isn't the only son of god and that we aren't actually made in his image
>Skinwalkers/Vampires/Demons: We desperately want to believe there are inhuman monsters living amogus to help us rationalize the current state of the world, basically what >>84914596 described.

And of course the ever-popular
>Zombies: Because everybody thinks they are special and are afraid of being "like everyone else". Consumerism and communism tickle the same fear. Zombies let us engage in solipsism without feeling guilty about it.

>>84902347
Jews, Nazis and environmental damage.

>>84915118
God I wish I had what you had. But I bought into all that crap at an early age and I fear I'm damaged beyond the possibility of attaining it. You're very right to fear this, I got a lefty friend who is at least borderline this.

>>84902347
>What are the monsters of modern day?
Literally Wendigos and Taniwha.

Wendigos are all about winter cold, famine, and starvation. In the day and age without canned goods, encroaching whitemen, and disease, it seems fairly representative of cultural anxieties felt by the Native Americans.

Taniwha are interesting because, as guardian spirits, they're often bought up in legal cases and negotiations put forward by Maori's in New Zealand. As they are guardians of key pieces of land anything built on or through their land must be done 'respectfully', aka "Give us money to build your roads". It's said that the modern Taniwha is a reflection of the modern Maori's stress and coping. Or, a scam.

>>84902347
People are harping on zombies as an expression of consumerism/communism, but they also often reflect anxieties about the incompetence or hubris of our institutions. A central aspect of most zombie apocalypses is the failure of government to manage the situation and protect its citizens, often even turning on the citizens as the system falls apart. There's also something to be said about ethical concerns around medical and biological research. You see a lot of zombies originating from a man-made virus, either a failed means to evolve humanity, a straight up biological weapon, or a poorly tested cure-all.

>>84914443
Or alternatively we have very bad records through most of history, particularly in small illtiterate rural communities?
>>84914596
You know, I'd say the massive ammount of conspiracy theories are a response to the fact that power is increasingly concentrated in the hands of the wealthy. However instead of dealing with the actual reality of this by trying to overturn things like say citizens united, or increase the power of voters by making it easier to vote, instead these conspiracies attribute this negative shift in society to the jews or to lizardmen (or usually both). A large part of this I think is just the far-right trolls of the internet who care more about taking a whack at the people beneath them than changing the status quo, but I also think a large part is people are frankly simpletons who are more at ease imagining that literal inhuman monsters are responsible for an increasingly corporatist society than they are dealing with the actual tangible complicated problems in our government that would require solutions more complex than 'be racist on facebook'.
>>84914999
Yeah, what this guy is saying.

>>84916073
Fuck that, dad blog would be an improvement to /tg/

Also, nbd or anything but your monster suggestions sound more like fear of P-Zombies than a fear of the loss of dads

>>84915118
You're attributing this to a big insidious conspiracy rather than just acknowledging the societal factors. This is what I'm talking about.

Fewer people are having kids nowadays because the economy has tanked since the 90's. Have you seen the price of gas nowadays? I'm almost 30, and I'm still in college living with my mom and haven't dated a girl once. I'm in no position to be a father, even though I would like to if I were.

People also get divorced now more than in the 1800's because a lot of families were trapped in abusive or loveless marriages. My own parents got divorced and it was a good thing. I loved my dad, but he was an alcoholic who was unable to get over his addiction, and it screwed over me, my sister, and my mother. And I think I had a good relationship with him despite that, and I wasn't happy that my parents got divorced, but I wasn't so unhappy that I didn't want them to NOT get a divorce.

Then there's the fact that there's a much greater awareness of safe-sex practices nowadays than there were decades ago, again which locked a lot of people into loveless marriages they didn't want.

The problem with conspiracy theories like this is they always assume some broad conspiracy is responsible for a societal change without asking 'for what purpose'. How would the media benefit from having fewer kids around? Does the Media in Japan benefit from having a net-negative population growth? Are the same factors responsible for lower birth rates in the US responsible for low-birth rates in Japan? Or is one the result of societal factors, and the others a nefarious conspiracy?

>>84915770
Man you can not like zombies and not like communism, but like, there isn't a zombie society that you are being assimilited to. You get eaten by zombies, or get turned into a zombie. It's not some government thing
>>84915914
A. It has been proven. This is a fact. Any rebuttal is either going to be you spouting pseudoscience or quoting the bible.
B. If you can't teach what all the scientists agree on in school, what's the point of schools teaching science in the first place? Or math?
C. If christians are offended by the teaching of evolution in school and can get censor teachers for teaching it, can muslims censor teachers for teaching kids things they don't like in school? Should we allow all religions to censor teachers based on their religious beliefs, or just christians?
>>84916673
Yeah, I feel this is especially pertinent by rank incompetence shown in recent years, not just by the US, but the world over. China, Britain, Russia.

To me it's completely shattered any idea that the government could be secretly hiding the existance of aliens or magic or anything like that. If the Government can't even pass an infrastructure bill to repair bridges and roads, there's zero chance they could cover up every sighting of a dragon across the country.

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>>84902347
The Ring movies, and by extension Sadako/Samara, could be seen as a reflection of anxieties regarding technology and viral trends. Folklore and supernatural stuff aside, the films revolve around the spread of a video, a concept that can only exist in a technological society with a means of recording, playing and sharing videos in the first place. Hell, Sadako herself is referred to as a "meme" in Sadako vs. Kayako. The books apparently go deeper into this (and even portray the curse as a literal virus, like Ring: Kanzenban) but I've yet to read them.

>>84916775
Frankly, small rural illiterate communities are more likely to murder strangers preemptively than strangers are to murder them.

I wouldn't consider that "Serial Murder" as such, just taking out the trash.

Roko's Basilisk.

:3

>>84917008
funniest shit I've heard in ages

>>84917024
No joke though, some autist is going to get shit scared of this thing and convince himself that he has to be it's midwife.

We should probably find that guy and take his computer away or smth

>>84916804
Firstly, I never said it was a conspiracy. I said it was a fear. As for your "why?" I can tell you that many rich & powerful people love to talk about overpopulation & thinking the herd.

I want to ask how you got to be my age but still stay in college & not want to settle down yet. You don't need good economics or even a proper boomer home to start a family. I didn't. I had a cheap ass apartment, that I could barely afford after moving out of my mother's house (my mom also separated from my trailer trash alcoholic father) but that does not matter to how you build a family yourself. My dad was shitty i endeavor to not be shitty to my sons. You can be literally jobless & have kids. People on welfare do it all the time, my parents did. I'm lucky enough to have gotten a job in the trades & never picked up a vice harder than caffeine & video games.

>>84916455
Unless you chopped your dick off its never too late to sort your shit out & be a dad. Just try to find a decent woman. I want you to know I am completely sincere saying this. I believe in you & I desperately want you to succeed.

>>84916082
>>84916073
Thanks for telling me other dads are out there. It gets lonely sometimes

>>84916864

prove evolution then. Show an actual jump in a species. Show a species born from an egg birthing an infant w/o an egg.

it has never been proven that species change and develop new traits not already in their dna. Natural selection is proven, selecting for variables so much that they become dominant.

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>As monsters are reflection of a cultural anxiety
Creatively dead, cripplingly unimaginative, post-modernist rubbish. The excuses for poor content and contribution by the losers and failure of society, to render everything into soulless goop like the shit in your pic so nobody can be left out. All out of jealousy for the imagination and basic human joys that come naturally to people without a from-birth ideological filter.
Go back.

>>84917059
>Just try to find a decent woman.
This is hard when you're not a decent man (hell, barely a man) nearing 30 who lost his good job in 2020 and never learned how to approach people casually. But I want you to be right, despite how much it seems reality is more a personal hell these days (each hope met being subsequently crushed after a time).

>But on topic:
I like the growing popularity of skinwalkers as a manifestation of "unknown/ unreliable personage" that is growing in the internet age.

The reason it's tied to wilderness and not technology is likely western/american traditions of outdoorsmen. Japanese horror took off with technology in the 90s or 00s, but they had a tradition of objects being evil before that (yokai). I wager we will always refer our monsters back to classical roots in some way.

>>84917232
Word to the nervous;
Approaching people casually isn't something you learn, so much as something you have to do without overthinking.

>>84916782
The monster that best represents fear of loss of dads is a 30+ misandrist calling the cops or CPS on you based upon you being male and their own perceptions of child rearing being exclusively female.

Unlike giant spiders, this beast is neither fictional, nor exciting, nor morally acceptable to gun down with yourself and 2-4 friends.

>>84916073
>1. Zombie apocalypse, apathy edition - a bizarre parasite that stops people from giving a fuck. Utilities and commerce grind to a halt. You can't even call most people because they can't be arsed to answer, and if they do, they want you to bring over some snacks or dick. People with strong urges of any sort would have no fucks to resist them, and few would give enough fucks to stop those acting on said urges.
So modern society was the real monster all along? Well, not exactly true in this case. If the monster was society, the apathy zombies wouldn't give a fuck about anything real but rather waste all of their emotional energy getting mad about pointless shit online.

t. an apathy zombie

>>84917327
Any advice on turning my brain off? It's only gotten worse in recent months and my default response to uncertainty is always "sit down and shut up".

>>84917059
>I had a cheap ass apartment, that I could barely afford after moving out of my mother's house
I'm not accusing you here and I'm NTA but you have the opposite mentality from most people I know. For them its "I can't be a parent because I'm not capable of giving them a worthwhile life" i.e. Unless you able to provide a stable multi room house in a decent neighborhood with a good school and have most of their internal shit worked out as to not risk fucking up the kid its "irresponsible" to have them.
Although its not full this I think shit like the 8 child ghetto mom vs the Upper-class Single child household and movies like Ideocracy have poisoned peoples want to have kids.

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>muh communism
>muh consumerism
No-one cares about either of those things.
>>84902347
Depending on who you ask, climate change, apocalypse, (muslim) terrorists, shooters/domestic terrorists, mass immigration, trans people on twitter or baby eating satanists.
>>84902407
Vampires represent the fear of predation.
They are unrelated to the aristocracy beyond their inspiration.
>>84902434
Zombies represent the fear of predation, as imagined by urbanites who do not know what animals, let alone predators, are, but are familiar with living in a world (or rather a city) where you are a number, not a name. The post-natural, or vegan's, horror.
And this is backed up by anon's >>84905273 casual observation.
>>84902551
>Aliens and cryptids
Americans wish to believe in new age boogeymen because they lack a culture where these already exist. Some are even loaned from native folklore.
>>84905472
This. Charybdis is a good example of this in practice.
>>84906259
Yes.
>>84906436
>I've heard some people say it represents a 'great man' libertarian sort of fantasy. Though I think that's more true broadly of the post-apocalyptic genre.
Yes and no. The concept of a mindless apocalypse that destroys everything is simply scary. The lone protagonist fighting back and surviving is the libertarian, or rather individualist part... though every story is individualist/libertarian when you get down to it because teams are not only boring but authors and readers naturally focus on a single member, such as the leader.
>>84912158
>I think part of why Lovecraftian style horror and monsters have taken off so much in modern times
Did you stop to ask if Lovecraft took off or if giant monsters, tentacles, the sea and monsters who live in mirrors have always been big and it's the Lovecraft imitators who are trying to pretend the entire genre is Lovecraftian?
>nihilism
Perhaps ironically no-one cares about that part. Sincerely no-one cares.

>>84917781
Honestly?
Part of it for me was understanding that most people are too wrapped up in their own lives to be thinking about you.
They can't read your mind, and most of them can't read more than surface level body language.

I'd advise actively seeking to push your limits.
You acquire resilience to social awkwardness by thrusting yourself into random social situations and seeing how you fare.

If you meet people who are unkind to you, this is their deficiency, not yours.

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>>84918506
>Perhaps ironically no-one cares about that part. Sincerely no-one cares.
I mean, I do. A ton of people I talk to about this kind of thing do. Clearly the folks at Fromsoft do too, cause my pic came from Bloodborne, which is a game that's all about dread and nihilism, in a loose series of games that have almost universally nihilistic endings where nothing changes or the problem isn't solved, only delayed for a bit longer. Kind of elitist to say literally no one cares about the deeper themes and just went "Wow, cool squid monster".

>>84917059
>You can be literally jobless & have kids. People on welfare do it all the time, my parents did
I'd rather not bring q child into the world I can't support out of some selfish need.

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>>84917232
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/police-get-online-account-takeover-data-disruption-powers-569062
Imagine one day, some close online friend of yours just goes missing for a few days, out of fucking nowhere and then they come back, start acting all weird and a bit off, and keep trying to encourage you and lead you and lure you into situations that would get you nabbed by the same group that grabbed them.
It's the digital equivalent of a fucking skinwalker.

>>84918506
nah yer full of shit

>>84918917
And leftists be like;
>A bloo bloo bloo, this society is so bad I don't want to have kids
>What? of course millions of third worlders should come live here too, it's their right

The leftist, everyone.

>>84919083
I don't know what monster represents people like you, but I hope there's a movie where one gets hit by a truck.

>>84914443
>>84916775
>>84917006
>be urbanite circa 500 AD
>see some weird guy i don't know following a woman down a dark alley
>not my problem, go back to my spice shop

>be nomadic tribesman circa 500 AD
>see that weird new guy following my brother's best friend's cousin's sister Unga who is also my aunt twice removed into her tent
>beat his head in with a rock

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>>84919083
sure thing champ

>>84918917
I am not saying you should. I am saying that people use all these little excuses to sterilize themselves. "I don't know if I would be good at it" "I'm still in college" "I'm focusing on my career" etc. Let me tell you guys. I was working minimum wage when I got married. I am frugal as hell & always kept myself debt free even if that meant having jack shit. I was working barely over miminum wage when we decided to have kids. After my son was born it all clicked though. I got a job doing blue collar tradeskill stuff. The company that hired me even taught me how to do it, I didn't know shit before I started. I used my piss poor tax returns to buy the bare minimum of stuff I would need & then I pushed hard into my job. Now I make almost respectable money & my wife stays home to look after our kids. Babysitting is a racket btw. It costs almost as much money to have someone raise your kid for you than it does to have a stay at home parent now. Money is tighter than fuck, but I manage it. I go without stuff for myself & pour everything into my kids Every step i take is deliberate & unselfish. I accept no limits. No excuses. No failure. My kids do not go without. They have toys & clothes & doctor visits that I never had growing up. It can work, you just gotta get really fucking lucky & sacrifice too. I still don't have a house, but that is the next step. I can do it. Because I was basically a neet into my mid twenties with only a fast food job. Only 6 years later & now I'm so much better off. But regardless of economic times, or what your life is like you deserve to be a father if you can. There are a fuck ton of failed fathers out there so its not like you can do much worse than them. But if you care. If you have it in you. Those problems don't have to be problems. Always rise higher. Its how humanity got where it was. Deny reality, enforce your will on the world. Too many people self sterilize when they could be decent parents

>>84919083
I am far, far from a leftist, but antinatalism is correct.
No one should come here though and all cityfolk should stay in the cities too.

>>84918917
Nothing less selfish than keeping your kind going, dude.

>>84918978
Mmkay.

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>>84915846
>oh no! advanced technology and cunning!

>>84919274
>creating something that is not yourself is selfish
???

>>84902347
We missed monsters between 1950-2000 because Disney cucked the whole damn world by ramming copyright extensions down our throats, thereby causing new ideas to choke under the ownership of some tyrannical estate until they’re irrelevant, rather than properly entering the public imagination.

>>84916379
There's also robots.
>1. We're going to end up making something one day that'll kill us all.

>>84919104
Don't lash out because he is right. So many people are being convinced NOT to have kids in the west, while the second & third world pops them out. Why are people telling millennials not to have kids but no one wants to tell India to stop fucking so much they are literally making mutants.

>>84919286
das right

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>>84915118
>"the mom friend, who takes care of her other friends"
???

>>84915846
When told to run an 8 minute mile, some people will pass it with hardly a sweat. Others may cross the buzzer hacking & wheezing.

But they have both crossed the finish line.

>>84919269
>Let me tell you guys. I was working minimum wage when I got married.
Oh there's issue two. Both my parents are twice divorced(from different people not each other) so my opinion on that idea is warped to hell and back.

>>84919083
>poor people are bad because they have so many kids they can't support
>what do you mean you want to wait till you can support a kid before you have one you should be popping them out

>>84919322
>Why are people telling millennials not to have kids
Probably the same reason they aren't getting married. They saw how it went for their parents.

>>84919344
Google "mom friend" its basically this thing that developed where groups of friends has one friend who acts as a mother surrogate. Monica in the TV show friends. Katara in Avatar: TLA, Allison Hanagan's character in How I met your mother. Endless Tumblr posts & fanfiction talking about the mom friend etc.

Okay so yall are retarded.
How the fuck does any of these things cause the constant outpouring of spooky twitchmen like slenderman and that fucking stupid radio head that people keep sending me?

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>>84919449
ok thanks for the qrd
sounds gay af btw

>>84919442
>>84919401

Gen X has harmed more millenials than Boomers i think.

Just so you know. Marriage is for people who love each other & are socially, mentally & emotionally mature enough to not be horrible to each other. Me & my wife love each other. We fight. We have issues that will never be consolidated. We love each other any ways. Its not about finding the perfect person. Its about finding someone who can support the parts of you that are missing as you support them in turn. Its also for people who don't fuck anyone else. Seriously cheating is a fucking epidemic. I am a mess one any given day. I'm chock full of stress & anxieties. I can barely breathe sometimes. But its not about me. Its about the family unit. If I am weak, she will help heal me. If she is weak I can support her. If we are both gothing through shit we lean on each other like a deck of cards to keep each other up

>>84919269
>when they could be decent parents
but here's the thing.
They wouldn't be.
You admit that luck is a large portion of this, which many people do not have.
You also admit sacrifice is, which many do not have the luxury have.
People recognize this, and their instincts tell them that this is an inauspicious time for child reading. That we should try again when the land is more ripe and pleasant.
But the spring never comes. It is always this bad. There is never that good time, that lucky time, where you can give things up for children.

And this is assuming these people are functional themselves, which they fucking aren't. Shattered homes are a tradition that informs the media, not vice versa.

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>>84916213
>>84914429
Zombie stories never focus on these sorts of themes though, and rarely ever feature characters that are high up in the social order.
Left 4 Dead, possibly the most popular zombie game franchise in living memory focuses on low and middle class nobodies who are just trying to get enough ammo together to get to the next safehouse.
>An old as dirt Vietnam vet
>a biker
>college student
>a pencil pusher
L4D2
>a sleazy con artist and gambling addict
>a hick mechanic
>a highschool football coach
>associate producer at a local news station
The only way these characters end up lower on the social ladder is if they wind up completely unemployed and slinging coke for the local dealer.

Next up might be the Resident Evil games, in which you play as a government actor trying to keep retarded corporations from ending the world via
sheer stupidity and hubris.

In Dead Rising you play as a no-name reporter helping out a bunch of randos trapped in a shopping mall, and the entire crisis was caused, again, by retarded corpos.

There's an entire slew of old online flash games that boil down to:
>you are a lone man trapped in your garage
>the zombie apocalypse is here
>are you a bad enough dude to escape with just a tire iron and enough duct tape to strangle an elephant?
>and possibly a car?

If you want to argue anything it should probably be that zombies are about societal collapse and having to survive in an environment with no government institutions or wider social structure and where every one else is hostile to you, but if you want to posit that zombies inherently represent the downtrodden masses you're going to have to actually find an example that clearly draws that parallel.

>>84919562
Have kids anyway

>>84919442
This. I'm 34, happily married, and have no intention of reproducing. I genuinely think I'm going to have to kill myself ahead of an ecological collapse, why would I make children?

>>84914596
>corrupt, uncaring government
The conspiracy, the men in black.
>greedy company
The cyborg, the ultimate product of greed controlling the every aspect of your life.
>global warming
Alien invasion, the foreign threat that will devastate our civilization if we don’t unite against it.
>mass migration
Zombies, the mass that cannot be held back.
>misinformation
The cryptic, creatures of mystery whose weakness and behavior cannot be known beforehand.
>tribalism
Zombies once again. They are the ultimate example of the Other.
>western degeneracy
Slasher monster, made of moral wrongness and murdering the youth.
>rise of right wing
The military experiment, the product of intransigence and dehumanization.
>unaffordable housing
The haunting demon, the lost of the home, the safety from exclusion and the future.

>>84919678
If you want this, then why are you angry about the constant depictions of the inadequate father?

>>84919692
Pretty based. If I may add notes
>Right Wing
Werewolves. Savage, hate filled, but also able to switch into a sort of human guise. Works both ways. They might be lying deceivers, or your genuine friends corrupted.
>Left wing
Cultists. Smart, but obsessive and dedicated to worshipping something that will destroy them (be it an evil person or Chthonic god)
>FOMO
Saw is the best one for this. The judging killer. Your own weakness and sloth finds you out.

>>84919533
>Its not about finding the perfect person. Its about finding someone who can support the parts of you that are missing as you support them in turn
It's funny the idea of both seem legitimately foreign to me. But like I said my parents where twice divorced and even my grandparents on both sides were. I literally did not grow up with an image of marriage.

>>84919083
This but unironically. You make up low native birth rates with immigration. You attract immigration than having better economies than poorer nation. Not letting in immigrants doesn't increase birth rates, look at Japan, who refuses to let in immigrants and has a shrinking population as a result.

>>84917059
You couched in very conspiratorial concerns.

I took one year off (didn't mean too, was trying to get education abroad it didn't take off) and had to repeat a couple classes. I only have a couple semesters left for my degree. And I don't want to settle down because I don't have a career and live with my mother- not good conditions to raise a family with.

Maybe you like the idea of raising kids in a cheap apartment that you can barely afford. I don't, and you can't really expect me to change my opinion on the matter when it'd be my wallet, and my kids we'd be dealing with.
>>84917072
Mutation is also already proven, the ability for DNA to fuck up and create new information where it didn't exist, like a change in letter from copy/pasting the same document a million times over.

Evolution is just a combination of mutation and natural selection. Disadvantageous mutations (like cancer) die off, while advantageous ones (like the ability to walk on two legs) are passed on.

You have to be purposefully trying to be ignorant to not see this.

>>84915118
>this push by the media that you "choose" family. Alternative family surrogates like "The Avengers are a family" or "the mom friend, who takes care of her other friends" the idea that a pet is "like your kid".
None of these aside from the avengers one is bad though? Seeing the avengers as family is cringe, but then again there's a good chunk of people who are depressed with low self-esteem that end up improving their lives because a fictional character reminds them of themselves in some way and it gives them the push they need, so while it's cringe there could be something there. The rest of that though isn't really bad. Sometimes the family you have genuinely is garbage, you could have legitimately narcisistic parents that abuse you and feel entitled to your time, money, or property because they happened to conceive you. One of my friends was the child of refugees escaping a genocide who used their traumatic experiences as an excuse to beat the shit out of their kids over anything and everything, all because "this isn't as bad as what I grew up with". Sometimes parents are shit and people should know you don't owe them shit if they were garbage. A lot of people will just roll over and take their family's abuse just because they feel like they have to because "Blood is thicker than water", "You can't choose family", etc.

As for the mom friend thing, the terminology is cringe tumblr shit, but the idea itself isn't bad. People who come from a bad family situation genuinely do sometimes see their closest friends as family, and there's nothing wrong with that. Going in expecting your friends to be your parents is obviously bad, but that's not what that means. It's referencing those friends that go above and beyond for their close friends by their own choice; Your bro that's always there to help when you're in a bind and wants to make sure you're alright. As long as that relationship goes both ways, there's nothing wrong with that, hell it's commendable.

>>84919989

so show the 2 species where 1 directly jumped from the other, no missing link.

>>84902347
Animatronics represents fear of fucking stupid bullshit, which is experienced every time you post.

>nobody posted it yet
https://youtu.be/zXOdlIXDsr8

>>84917072
>prove evolution then.
Look at any person. Look at their parents. Show me one example where a person is LITERALLY identical to their parents.

Try the same thing with any animal. Note that I'm talking perfect identicality. Same birthmarks, same features, no differences between parent and child.

You won't find it anywhere because it doesn't exist. There's always a slight difference between parents and their children.

That's just one generation. Now imagine the differences that can accumulate over dozens of generations. Hundreds of generations. Thousands of generations. Millions of generations.

That's evolution.

>>84920053
This. The ability to breed does not make one a good parent. A lot of the people ooing and awing about 'the death of the nuclear family' tend to forget that enforcing the nuclear family regardless of circumstance (which when stopped doing which is why the nuclear family is supposedly dying) lead to a lot of fucked up families.

You want to talk about decaying morality, my cousin is a meth-head and has six kids with his white-trash wife, all of which stay live with their grandmother because both of them are fucking meth-heads. My cousin should be sterilized, he already killed a guy in manslaughter. For about three months there my and my mum were having to raise one of his kids (his oldest at two- do the math on that one) because his wife accused my grandparents (one of whom had suffered strokes and going senile, the other we soon found out had lung-cancer) of beating the kid. He clearly had developmental and behavioural issues, though thankfully he got adopted by a good christian part of the family (and I say that as an athiest, I can give or take religion, but the family is at least clearly ordered which the kid needs). Meanwhile my cousin keeps impregnating his white-trash wife.

You wanna talk about how found family is bad, you're gonna have to convince me that my cousins kids are better off being raised by a pair of meth-heads.

>>84920073
You clearly misunderstand the 'gradual change' aspect of evolution, and the fact that it occurs over hundreds if not thousands of years.

You show me the molds that god made to make the Dinosaurs. Each individual species from the millions of years that dinosaurs walked the earth.

>>84917072
The computer you're using to type this message from was the end produce of a long line of previous systems, each improving on the other in gradual implements to a basic schematic.
Which also has the effect of proving that evolution and intelligent design aren't even mutually exclusive and the argument is the equivalent of whether a dozen is six pairs of twelve singles.

>>84920073
Sperm whales are still in the middle of transition technically, holding vestigial leg bones that no longer serve a purpose. Climb down far enough into their family trees, and you'll find whales with legs.
>>84920173
It's wouldn't likely be a mold, it'd be an algorithm closer to those AIs that spit out results based on user input.

>>84920245
>Climb down far enough into their family trees, and you'll find whales with legs.
Hell, you don't even have to look far, because whales share a common ancestor with a species that stayed on land and evolved for life there. It's called a Hippo, and they're essentially what happened to the portion of their shared ancestor that decided to stay on land instead of living in the ocean.

>>84920053
I'm not saying there is anything inheritly wrong with the ideas. My issue comes with them being the ONLY possitive relationships. When was the last time you saw a healthy family on television? Especially a healthy one where the father was competent

>>84920207
I'm still curious as to why fundamentalists want to pick a fight with evolution. There's nothing in the bible that contradicts evolution. Sure I think it's stupid to believe both in God creating the universe as in the bible, but also dinosaurs and evolution. But the beliefs are compatible. And really, by attacking evolution you ensure that religion is going to become more and more insular as you alienate all the people who believe in evolution, and depicting religious people as backwards luddites.
>>84920245
Alright, then show me the algorithm. And show me how there was zero room to maneuver from T-Rex to Chicken.

>>84920280
I'm not sure if I'd call it healthy, but Dad of Boy is all about a mans paternal relationship with his son.

'Hairy Dad Game' is even it's own genre, so I think you're just being assmad.

>>84915118
>My number one fear is loss of the family unit.
Seriously? The idea of the "nuclear family" dates to the 50s. Dad, mom and 2.5 kids was post-war propaganda to get women out of the workforce and to turn people into consumers. Before then it was normal to have an aunt or your grandparents live with you, or your father is away for work for years at a time, or your mother was unreliable, so you'd regularly go to a friend's house to have a cooked meal and finish your homework. My father was 5th of 8 children - he was as much raised by his older sister then by his mother. And his father had a nurse as a child, probably knew her more then his own mother, eventually took care of her as family until she died.

>>84919585
it's not about the stories, it's about the fear, the seed at the center of the fruit, the prime motivator that makes you go "wow this sucks i really wish i wasn't in that situation"
you don't need to be upper class to fear The Horde but the fear of The Hoard is one that works particualry well against the upper class or even the middle class

in how many movies "the walls" that separate the zombies from the people fail because the zombies are just THAT relentless?

how many times the overconfident leader in a position of power is brought low and devoured by those creatures that he thought he keep at bay?

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>>84902347
Aliens.

>>84920281
>I'm still curious as to why fundamentalists want to pick a fight with evolution.
Fundamentalists believe in an "inerrant" literal understanding of the bible. Whereas most other religious groups believe the "7 days" narrative was allegorical and represents eons of time, the fundamentalists believe that god literally created Adam within 144 hours of the universe existing, and anything that contradicts this narrative is blasphemous.

>>84920309
>I’m afraid of the loss of the family unit
>”that’s just propaganda!”
>proceeds to give numerous examples of families being larger, not smaller and fractured

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>>84908977
TBF, zombies in the original voodoo mythology style could totally make a comeback. Mindlessly obedient meat robots that'll do anything their creator orders them, from working endlessly without pay to defending their creator during the inevitable unemployment riots.

>>84921398
>tumblr screenshots
Ugh.

>>84905722
No. I get all my information directly from gnosis.

>>84905649
>Where have zombies been portrayed as underclass?
The original Voodoo zombies were slaves, so...

>>84902347
Trans people as imagined by conservatives. They represent, to morons, the erosion of existing values, the defiance of sacred cultural norms, and an attempt at violating so called "natural" states. They are basically witches circa 1600-1800ce. Again, in the eyes of utter dingdongs.

>>84921759
My favorite is probably the creation in recent years of a gay illuminati that supposedly controls disney (who has refused to put any major gay characters in their films), and every school board in the country, who have the evil goal of turning children (who presumably aren't gay already) gay. Because you know, everyone is actually bisexual like god intended and you have to actively shove down and repress your homosexual impulses, and if you ever even look at a gay person the wrong way then you'll be drafted into the next pride-parade.

Cause you know, the gays have so much institutional wealth and power in society.

>>84921783
>>84921759
define woman. :^)

>84917162
Someone is clearly uninformed.

>>84921759
Fatherless hands wrote this post.

>>84921783
Imagine being this retarded.

>>84921759
An agent of Satan wrote this post with cuties playing in the background

>>84921759
>>84921783
Chopping your dick off doesnt make you a woman, thats a meme made up by a child abuser named John Money.

>>84921795
>>84922247
>>84922298
Thanks for the virtue signalling! +5 social credit!

>>84922298
>Chopping your dick off doesnt make you a woman, thats a meme made up by a child abuser named John Money.
Actually, John Money proved the opposite.

You see, back in the 1800s and early 1900s, it was customary that if a child had too much penis cut off during circumcision they would be castrated and raised as a girl. The old theory being that the testicles being present during puberty were what created male personality, and female personality came from lack thereof. John Money's experiment proved that the presence of testicles made no difference in mental development, and that the mind's concept of gender was independently developed from the genitals.

Shame he drove a kid to suicide proving it.

>>84922330
What is the leftist obsession with taking dated right-wing phrases and desperately trying to turn them back on the sort of people they think would say them?
Next you’ll be calling them snowflakes.

>>84922535
Because to this day the best they can muster is "no u!"

>>84922535
>What is the leftist obsession with taking dated right-wing phrases and desperately trying to turn them back on the sort of people they think would say them?
It's kind of a back and forth thing. That's why right wingers make the "identify as attack helicopter" memes and use "triggered" pejoratively.

This has been going on since probably the Reagan era.

>>84922535
Yeah probably. Not my fault the right loves abusing buzzwords to the point of irrelevance. Like remember when 'redpill' meant something besides 'tell me about the thing'?

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im scared of woman

>>84902434
>>84915770
IDK about y'all but zombies scare me cuz getting eaten alive sounds pretty sucky

>>84904540
We know bots are here, empty internet, etc. I’ll take them over bumpfag/shills any day.

>>84905825
I’m surprised this isn’t more prevalent. Motherfuckers forgot about shit like ruby ridge and Waco apparently.

>>84906844
Skinwalkers/npcs are just different sides of the same coin. Whether you believe in the supernatural or not, society has started to notice that there’s a subset that “just ain’t right”.

>>84910616
This wouldn’t happen because too many of the elites have shitty genetics of their own. Look at the Kennedys or royal relatives who were kept behind closed doors for being deformed mutants. Plus, with the gradual infantilization of the populace you’ll reach the point where anyone with a “disability” will eventually become a minority. Look up the Stanford student who blamed the university because he was too scared to eat from the buffet. His bitch ass works at WaPo now. People like that should have been culled at birth, but instead, they thrive in this rotten world.

>>84916233
Wrong psycho. Maybe actually read the book or watch the movie before you allude to it.

>>84919952
Why do you need to “make up low native birth rates”? You’re either an actblue shill, a Swede, or an idiot.

>>84920281
>>84920615
Fundamentalists, along with nearly all modern Christians, have a terrible understanding of the Bible or how their religion actually works. Ask any random Christian who god was in the presence of in psalm 82 and watch them shit themselves (spoiler: you better know your Hebrew grammar).

>>84922730
Unlike them I don't need bible readings to shit myself.

>>84922710
Shinzo Abe failed anon.

>>84920309
I am all for large loving & invlusive families so I dony see this as a "gotcha". Absolutely bond with your extended family.
>>84920145
I have no easy answers. Its not a perfect world. I am glad the extended family is there to help your less than decent family. it actually shows how great your family is, that they would help them.

Please note, i am not advocating my way is the perfect right thing to do. I'm also not saying outliers dont exist. I am just saging that there are a LOT of broken families & a lot of dudes I feel that could be great fathers out there if they ever decided to become one & that I fear that soon fatherhood will be lost

>>84902347
Frazetta Men are one example. Primitive violent ill-tempered half-apes that attack the protagonists out of jealously and abduct good women to violate and beat.

>>84922674
you get what i mena, the ultra-rich that are so detached from us lowly mortal that consider people just another "thing" to buy and sell and abuse to your hearts desire

>>84922893
They did it to themselves. Some say the lost decade never ended.

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>>84902347
Scary thing about zombies to me when I was a kid was that they're relentless and numerous. You can't fight the horde and win and when you start running you don't know when you can ever stop running. Only the most defensible places are safe and at somepoint you have to go outside to get supplies, but maybe you can't leave because they're surrounding your hideout. You can never go to sleep certain that you won't be woken up by something eating you or breaking into your house. You will never be safe. Your friends and family will never be safe. You will never sleep soundly. It's the end of the world and everything and everyone you know will die. There is no future and you exist solely to fight a futile struggle to persist in a dead world.

Then I grew up and stopped giving a shit and the prospect of the zombie apocalypse became a source of purpose, the struggle for mankinds survival seeming more fulfilling than what I was doing with my life at the time. Now I just kinda wanna fuck a cute zombie.

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The Intimate Encounters module in picrel has a fantastic monster that feels very modern.

Basically, it's a lovecraftian entity that exists in both real life and the internet. If the investigators use computers too much to find out information, it will start tracking them and putting their names on Amber Alerts and Sex Offender Registries.

It's the first time in a while that I've seen my players actually look terrified, and all I did was tell them they got a group text that leaked their bank account and pin numbers.

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>>84925485
>For Mature gamers
...really?

>>84904629
lmao how many druga are you on right now?

>>84925564
see
>>84916213

>>84925550
Yeah. Only boomers allowed.

>>84925595
So, I take you're on Ketamin and alcohol, possibly lsd. Based on the nonesense you've written thus far.

>>84925605
got any actual arguments besides "lmoa niga u high!"

>>84925605
>muh drugs

gtfo amerimutt

>>84922453
>Shame he drove a kid to suicide proving it.
Who could had guessed that making a child star in your DIY CP flicks could have some side effects. After all, "childhood sexual rehearsal play" is something we all did, not something some pedo made up on the spot to justify his perversions.

>>84904629
>>84914429
>everyone's a seething communist like meeeee

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>>84926334
Tbf if you post on this website you are most likely either a seething commie or a seething nazi.

>>84920138

holy fucking mid wit, no it is not. Existing genes in the pool for a species being expressed and even rarer ones being selected for is not evolution.

Evolution is literally one species giving birth to another. A species born from an egg giving live birth to an infant.

Natural selection =/= evolution. Genetic diversity =/= evolution

Look it up, evolution 100% factually has never been proven.

>>84926334
congrats on not getting it
>>84926345
Sunday Friend go and stay go

>>84921783

This dumb ass never actually read a queer theory book. Why do you people who don't read speak like this and just parrot things?

>>84926334
His post literally says most middle class people aren't seething communists and share the upper class fear of the lower class. He is saying the literal opposite of what you're accusing him of. Illiterate retard.

>>84922710
A growing population is good for the economy. A shrinking economy means that welfare to take care of the elderly falls primarily on the smaller group of young people to pay for them.

Personally though, I think the concerns of falling birth rates, even considering a situation like Japan's are very nebulous. Japan doesn't seem like it's fallen terribly from being one of the largest economies in the world, so even then I think it's stupid to be arguing that we need to up 'native' birth rates.
>>84923434
That's fair, just keep in mind it's counterbalanced by people who are terrible fathers. Again I loved my dad, but with his alcoholism I didn't want him trapped in a marriage.

>>84919269
There is still no point in having kids now. I'm white and any hypothetical kid of mine will be a hated minority in their own country. I see tons of mixed-race kids all the time and white toddlers slack-jawed and transfixed on mommy's phone. Their education will get dumbed down even further than it already is. The propaganda is getting more and more sophisticated and ever-present, all with the purpose of corrupting the little ones and turning them into something that undoes all the hard work I do.

Why even bother? Why should I bring kids into the world, just so they will wage slave and be miserable just like I am? Why should they live like this, too tired to even do the things they enjoy, to spend time with friends and family, to go out and see the world? I resent being born just to work and pay bills all the time. My mother had me just to give her pointless wage slave life some meaning, just to pass the existential pain of life onto the next generation. I will deal with the pain of having nothing to look forward to instead of forcing it onto innocent children who never asked for it.

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>>84926520
Your bloodline is the only true test of success from a biological stand point. Kings die, empires fall, but blood continues, an unbroken chain from you to the beginning of life.

Those that drive you down into the dirt are doing so, because they don't want you to breed. It is no different than a buck locking horns with you, or any other mating challenge. They want you out of the way so they can continue their line & not yours. Their propaganda is their weapon to geld you, because they fear you. Make them fear you. Have kids. Raise them right. Fight the system. Change the world.

>>84904629
Lol

>>84921759

Seems like this is covered by skin walkers with the impostor part, but maybe needs to include mind control and starvation if you resist the mind control.

>>84926558
[traditonal gamer word]

>>84926798
Why are bloodlines important? My ancestor from 20,000 years ago is really irrelevant to me. He would have worshipped different gods, held different beliefs, would have held vastly different knowledge, and lived in a different land. We've never met, there's no meaningful interaction between the two of us beyond a family line that has been flipped over likely several dozen times as daughters follow fathers follow mothers. The only thing we'd share are a handful of genes.

The same is true of my descendant 20,000 years from now. Why would I feel more affinity with them than my neighbor, who shares my culture, my beliefs of the world, my land, and so on?

You guys attribute moral worth to a handful of genes

>>84919685
ecological collapse? the world gave been in worse shape for human life several tines in our past and our ancestor survived with less technology than us.
there were less than 10k humans at one point ffs.
Stop being a doomer. The indomitable human spirit will overcome anything.

>>84926798
Bloodlines? don't make me laugh, was the blood of Augustus the same of Caesar?

>>84926895
Humanity surviving something doesn't mean individual humans will survive something

>>84926895
Death = Nature
Man will always loose to death
Man will always loose to nature

>>84926947
This. A lot of people welcome the idea of the world becoming Mad Max. Because they mistakenly believe in such a scenario they'd BE Mad Max, when in reality they wouldn't even BE IN Mad Max, they'd be dead long before the movie starts.
>>84926966
Lose not loose.

>>84926966
>>84926989
fucking autocorrect

>>84926989
>when in reality they wouldn't even BE IN Mad Max, they'd be dead long before the movie starts.
Sounds pretty good if a whole lot of people who I hate also die with me desu.

>>84927066
this shit right here is why we will never conquer the stars, petty rivalries and idiotic vices that stands in the way of the future

i beg of you to please grow up

>>84926873
You fail to realise you are a link in a unbroken chain from now till eternity.

>>84927149
>till eternity
If the human population drops to 10k again thats a hell of a lot of chains that broke before eternity

>>84927149
No, I fail to see why I should care that I'm a link in a chain when I can't see it's beginning or it's end.

I see why I should care for my parents or my kids. All this talk of genes though, our ancestors were apes. I fail to see why I should feel a more special connection to them than a stranger I'd meet of the street today.

It also assumes by the way, when talking about the morality of certain gene-codes that our future generations will still be humans. And not some new species of better humans, or cyborgs, or have their brains all downloaded into computers.

It's a lot of emotional talk without any real rational arguments.

>>84914556
No because nobility implies a hereditary lineage which is not reliable, aristocracies tend to become complacent when out of active conflicts

>/tg/ - Eugenics and Bloodlines

>>84927307
Complacency is true of every regime. The problem with aristocracy is you are formalizing an upper class that will invariably become inbred, and drain wealth from both the nation itself and from the lower class into their own private pocketbooks- wealth that is usually untouchable for the state since it's the aristocrats are the ones running it.

It amazes me how constantly 4chan goes 'hey you know the worst possible form of governance? we should do that!'

>>84927295
Because I will reproduce & continue the species & you will die, hairless as a depressed impotent biological dead end

>>84927455
Why is he hairless in your fantasy

>>84927704
Probably part of his disgusting fetish. Let us not associate with his kind.

>>84926356
>>84917072
You like many people don't understand how evolution works. It's not a sudden upgrade or downgrade. It's more like adding spices and ingredients to the big cauldron and tasting it every generation to see if new additions change the taste for the better or made it inedible. Members of the same species carry potential to eventually give birth to different lineages and branches of their tree. It's because of the sleeping genes, one common example is dozens inactivated genes for terminal conditions each of us carry. Return to Crab is another. To evolve the contents of the cauldron must be sufficiently saturated with ingredients for the change. Geography and natural events can split the content of the cauldron in separate vessels and the process will go separately but if the cauldrons are close enough their contents will mix to some degree. Evolution is one form of adaption, there are others like tool making we humans mastered. Some species are notoriously resistant to evolution like crocodiles and some fish. Evolution is not good or bad by itself, it's the process of change and it sometimes makes the broth inedible. Finally, I don't see why other Christians should be offended by the concept of evolution or round Earth.

>>84926356
found this proof of evolution in under 3 seconds, stop broadcasting your idiocy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

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>>84927358
So the World of Darkness. Choose your Clan, chump.

>>84927780
Top center as my bodyguard, top right as my mentor, bottom right as my gf

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>>84914596
Dragons fit perfectly. You missed spreading incurable diseases and more ecological disasters. Both can be attributed to dragons working magic to control the people or wipe them out.

>>84915846
One of the most important aspects of his character in the movie is that he literally outlived and outperformed the statistics they diagnosed him with. He had a weak heart and fucked up eyes but nobody was able to spot a difference in his performance among people with none of those issues, and ultimately he outperformed his brother with superior genes in that swimming contest both when he was younger and when he was an adult that by all accounts he should've lost if he was actually "inferior" in any way. If the people who diagnosed him as invalid were actually as accurate as they like to think they are, he should have been dead years ago from his heart complications.

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>>84928250
Misdiagnosed the Movie?

>>84927704
Autocorrect
*heirless

>>84928250
>nobody was able to spot a difference in his performance among people with none of those issues
the company doctor knew all along, but choose not to expose him for personal sentimental reasons
From the society/company's perspective the worst thing isn't him sneaking into the mission he was supossedly not qualified for, it's the possibility his health will fail while on the mission wasting effort and equipment to put him there.
It could be that I'm not American and grew up in society that puts less emphasis on individualism but in my perception pursuing the dream at personal cost is fair, pursuing it at the cost of other people's work is selfish. But I guess it's just the ways of doggy dog world...

>>84928435
You mean 'dog eat dog' foriegner.

>>84928435
It's even worse than that. He doesn't risk his one ticket on the ship, his health condition can compromise the mission and put other people at risk.

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>>84902347
McCarthy was right.
Yuri is testimony to this.
We were infiltrated by gommunist scum.
They have succeeded in undermining the U.S.
This is fact.
Check these mother fucking digits.

>>84928527
Ahh, mediocre

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>>84928609
WITNESS ME

>>84928527
>this CIA agent is proof that the CIA is right about everything

>>84928527
You're a second rate spook with a third rate conspiracy

>>84928527
Wanna know something bizarre I learned in history class? McCarthy opposed the Nuremburg Trials. For what reason I can't fathom he was a senator from Minnesota, he's not a guy people would have solicited his opinion on the Nuremburg Trials from. WW2 had just happened, anti-Nazi sentiment was at all time high, it's not like it was in 1939 where American Nazis were considered to still be legitimate actors.

>>84928527
McCartney was a faggot and so are you
now check the fucking digits

>>84919585
>In Dead Rising you play as a no-name reporter helping out a bunch of randos trapped in a shopping mall, and the entire crisis was caused, again, by retarded corpos.
This isn't the argument you think it is, Dead Rising is actually one of the most explicitly political games of all time. Though I don't think it uses zombies as a metaphor for the downtrodden, that's Night of the Living Dead and it's building off Dawn of the Dead where zombies are a metaphor for endless consumption and consumerism.

>>84928527
The Venona decrypts of Soviet cables proved that there were a considerable number of Communist spies in the American government that Joe McCarthy correctly identified. That the information remained classified long after Joe drank himself to death is a good thing.

>>84904629
I mean, this is a possible reading, and you can find examples that are meant to be exactly what you say, but I frankly think that's a shallow analysis, the sort of thing you'd pair with a graph showing the popularity of zombies and vampires during various presidencies or whatever. To me, it's dull.

I'm perfectly capable of feeling utterly alone and alienated while surrounded by people who are the same color as me. They don't need to be black or undead.

This Book Is Full Of Spiders has some pretty good thoughts on zombies

>>84902347
Vampires continue to reflect anxieites about sexuality as something weird and uncomfortable but also enticing sexuality.

>>84927295

If you care about your parents and your kids you should care about their parents and kids.

I'll never know my great grandkids but I do things now that will hopefully benefit them b/c I want my son who is my favorite thing in the world to experience loving those kids.

>>84930584
I love my grandparents (well the still living ones, the dead ones I can take or leave, and I don't say that just cause they are dead). I also met my great-grandfather. But I never met my great-grandfather. Or my great-great-grandfather. I like my grandfather well enough, and I'm sure I'd be happy that my great and great-grandparents are connected to him (then again, my great-grandparents almost refused to attend his wedding because he was a protestant who married a catholic, and he lived in one THOSE parts of the world). But like, to care that much about my great-great-great-great grandfather? Well at that point there are so many degrees of seperation, why should I really care on a personal level? And sure I'll love my kids and grandkids and if I life to see it my great-grandkids. But my great-great-great-great-great grandkids? Well they are much more of an idea than a tangible reality aren't they?

>>84927730 >>84927767


So tell me one exact species that became another exact species. Not ape to man, tell homo erectus became what? Directly after, or another such case. I want the exact species classification and the exact next one. No hypothetical missing links.

>>84928791

Patton opposed them too. And if you didn't include the nazi detail, most people would oppose them giving their opinions of forced confessions.

McCarthy absolutely was right and people today only think other wise b/c of agit prop.

The media loves to tell you things people did and leave out the why. Everyone knows the red scare and black lists, but they rarely know it was 100% proven FDR had communist spies in his cabinet, USSR stole the nuclear bomb, Bella Dodd outed communist front groups and how they hid communist members by signing them up to other groups.

look up the Venona papers released in the 90s or just look around.

>>84917162
>people without a from-birth ideological filter.
Such a person who has been born into any society does not exist.

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>>84930640
Sure, here's a grey wolf that became a rodent.

>>84930686
>patton opposed them too
>guy who hated the commies for being untrustworthy asians wanted to spare the white fascists
you don't say

>>84928527
>neoliberal capitalist hell state worldwide
>somehow the communists won
wewlad