>>84877180
superheroes are cia, retard, so are most supervillians

>>84877180
>Why can't the FBI, CIA, and NSA identify the secret identities of superheroes and use this knowledge to arrest these dangerous vigilantes?

This has been the topic of many, many comics, Anon. Arguably the central point of the entire X-men franchise.

>>84877218
X-Men has no secret identities.

>>84877180
Pretty sure in DC and Marvel Waynetech/Stark industries has its hands in every major facial recognition program. That law enforcement uses and fucks with it to help with identities.

Regardless of that most major superheroes aren't even vigilantes anymore and have some status with the government

>>84877180
That happens all the time, though. Secret government agencies working at cross purposes to the public good is like the most standard comic plot from like the 80s to maybe the 2010s.

>>84877245
Point is, the problem isn't figuring out the identity of these people. The problem is, how you actually arrest a dude that can fly and shoot eye lasers? Or shapeshift, or turn invisible? Do you event want to arrest them? Wouldn't it be better to have them as a millitary asset?

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>>84877406
And now it's real thing. What a time to be alive.

>>84877180
Usually there's a super world equivalent of alphabet agencies like SHIELD that helps or hinders the heroes depending on the plot. Amanda Waller is basically the ultimate sleazy CIA operative, while Nick Fury is usually a ruthless but still heroic operator who's willing to go against the higher ups when they want to do something terrible.
Also, why would the glowies groom a supervillain when they could just use him as an operative and sic him on supers if they start to uncover some Dark Alliance shit? Seems like a fun plot actually.

>>84877180
>Why can't the FBI, CIA, and NSA identify the secret identities of superheroes and use this knowledge to arrest these dangerous vigilantes?
Because at that point you are venturing into a cynical setting that doesn't jive with the tropes and conventions of the superhero genre. At that point why deconstruct when you can construct something new from the ground up?

>Why can't glowies groom supervillains and have them stage overdramatic crimes to lure out and arrest superheroes?
I have always thought that the government is a lame villain to use in a superhero story. Put a supervillain in there abusing the power vested in them by the people that the superheroes protect don't just make the government itself bad. And I mean supervillain. Someone as campy, theatrical, and over-the-top as the superheroes. Have them spice up the government agency that they are in charge of. Symmetry.

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>>84878034
>I have always thought that the government is a lame villain to use in a superhero story. Put a supervillain in there abusing the power vested in them by the people that the superheroes protect don't just make the government itself bad. And I mean supervillain. Someone as campy, theatrical, and over-the-top as the superheroes. Have them spice up the government agency that they are in charge of. Symmetry.

Ah yes, the Lex Luthor For President plotline.

>>84877180
There's an extremely successful serial killer in south London that most people know about but nobody talks about. Not even the media. The reason the police try to ignore it is because he's killing violent criminals who would otherwise be a problem for society and police (who are ineffectual in dealing with them within the rules). Sometimes, vigilantes are actually unofficially desirable.

>>84877180
The better question is why instead of paying the salaries for normal government agents, they don't just offer that money directly to the superpowered citizens.
Give them a flat amount for simply not doing anything criminal, and then start adding bonuses if they sign up with the local fire department if their powers are good for rescuing people. Then offer them even more if they want to be some sort of actual law enforcement agent or super soldier.

Otherwise you're just spending money to intentionally antagonize the most naturally dangerous group of people on the planet.

I think it's funny that the right saw protestors that were in shape and below the age of 60 and immediately declared there is no way they could be right wing

>>84879076
Not so much "in shape and below 60" as "the demonstration seemed like it was staged weeks ahead of time as a honeypot, and then everyone that showed up to it looked like they didn't belong"

>>84877180
>The good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the good guys
Wow how original I am impressed where do you come up with such crazy ideas OP I am overwhelmed.

>>84877180
Mostly to avoid this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJnGYTNRr6Q kind of situation when the superpowered ubermensch lose patience for the government dicking with them.
People who would become superheroes have a high sense of justice, a tendency to stop and solve more crimes than the police, and a willingness to use violence to bring that justice. The Superman and Batman type are infinitely more forgiving than a real super powered person would be. They'd see that these agencies are putting innocent lives at stake, funding superpowered maniacs that they can't fully control, just to stop the super from doing the job the government is too incompetent to do, and figure that they're more of a threat than the supervillains are.
(And yes I know about Omniman and his real intentions, I'm just using him as a visual example)

>>84879030
What's the sauce?

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>>84879489
I see you.

>>84877180
why do you think they can't?

In my setting, rogue FBI elemenets are using the city as a test case for the governmenting basically empowering agents and soldiers, through false flag trickery.

It's in a post "superman expy went bad and most of the big heroes were wiped out in the chaos" world, thought.

>>84879737
>makes claim
>please provide evidence of this claim, of any sort
>glowie reeeee reeeee
Take your punisher fantasies somewhere else, schizo

>>84877696
"Now"? It's been a thing since the 80s.

>>84879076
>I think it's funny that the right saw protestors that were in shape and below the age of 60 and immediately declared there is no way they could be right wing
What are you even talking about? Even if you want to get Direction Brain politics involved, it's the left wing news outlets that keep publishing gym outlets like "gym bros are right wing bigots" and "tomboys are literally fascism"

>>84880444
*keep publishing hit pieces

>>84880444
The OP image where everyone got called a fed for being in good shape

>>84877180
sure you could arrest the superheroes and either bring them on board or put him through the justice system for vigilantism or their crimes. However, it would be better for your department and your job security if you only made a token effort to deal with the supers( maybe only catching the odd one) so you can pressure the government to increase your departments budget as you need ultratech guns and armour to deal with the villains sonic blaster. Also the supers are protected by the construction lobby who are not on the con and are deliberately trying to underfund you so big cement can get rich off the collateral damage without worrying about the feds ruining their gravy train.

>>84880465
>where everyone got called a fed for being in good shape
Did I miss something in the news, or are you a schizo seeing implications OP never made?

>>84880114
>take your fantasies elsewhere
>/tg/

>>84880484
>Did I miss something in the news
It was the thing of the week on twitter and /pol/ a couple years ago

>>84880492
>twitter and /pol/
Twitter is an echo chamber for literal morons and /pol/ is a fed honeypot.

>>84880509
>Twitter is an echo chamber for literal morons
That's' the joke. The right wing morons on twitter saw in shape right wing people marching with bare minimum organization and immediately declared them feds.

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>>84877783
Yeah, the nice thing about mid-level supervillains is that many aren't averse to just doing what you want for the paycheck and/or the chance to beat up superheroes. Taskmaster is especially good for this.

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>>84880484
A pro 2A protest just kinda popped up and the only people who showed up were the living stereotype of undercover cop/agent

>>84880114
>unless I get proof of something delivered to my petulant ass, it doesn't exist!!1!
Fix your ego, kid.

>>84877180
See Worm and the “Unwritten Rules”. It’s to avoid escalation.

>>84877406
Which issues? Back this up please.

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>>84880555
People called them feds because they looked, dressed, and acted like feds. It was so obvious that even Trump was telling people it was a fed operation.

>There are retards ITT that genuinely believe Alphabet Agencies dont try to rile shit up, instigate violence, and try and push vulnerable individuals towards violent tendencies
>These same retards also think it's a right vs. left issue instead of feds just being scummy pieces of shit
Do you tards not remember Ruby Ridge/Waco or had this entire site been overtaken by broccoli-headed zoomers who only get their US history from twitter?

>>84882936
Not that anon but if you think people should believe whatever claims you make without evidence you are the dumbest motherfucker around.

>>84889562
Everybody involved with the Waco disaster, from the suitshits who authorized it to their inside man who glowed more than OPs pic to the piece of shit who """misplaced""" the bullet hole door and other pieces of evidence, should have been given the Mr Morden treatment as a warning to the next ten generations that trusting the Feds comes at too high a cost.

>>84877696
>what was Operation Gladio
It always has been.

>>84889562
>>84890012
Waco and Ruby Ridge were not feds false flagging and we're discussing whether protestors are feds or not.

>>84890029
In Ruby Ridge the feds faked the sawn-off shotgun, court dates, and informants.
At Waco, the feds stole and physically hid the doors (one temporarily re-surfaced in the 00s), then passed off the flashbangs they used to ignite the CS as silencer parts.

>>84879489
It came to him in a dream.

>>84890060
How does that impact whether any well dressed white guy at a protest is a fed idiot?

>>84890083
It increases the possibility of it being the case as they are shown to be habitually deceptive towards the citizens of thier own nation.

>>84890083
>How does habitually lying and misplacing evidence have anything to do with deceiving others?

>>84890060
None of that is true. But I wouldn't expect a right-winger to care about the truth.

>>84890718
>"Feds are pieces of shit to everyone here's some famous examples of how theyve killed people and lied about evidence"
>DURRRR UR A RIGHT WINGURRRRRR
Damn bro, glowies browse /tg/ too?

>>84880300
>80s
You mean forever?

>>84890083
>well dressed white guy at a protest
Is either a cop or a boot licker. Either way you should slap them.

>>84890846
>On the first day Lord said, let there be light, and thus created the glowies.

>>84890850
Wasn't there a case in Canada, I believe, where there was a protest and some buff, masked dudes were starting shit with the cops. The crowd just started accusing them of being police plants to the point the guys just gave up and walked to the police line to "get arrested."

>>84880592
>Bullseye playing golf
That's not even remotely fair for anyone else.

>>84889719
No, I believe people should do their own research or at least realise I don't give a shit if they believe me or not, it doesn't change reality.

>>84879043
The last supers game I played in, this is pretty much the situation. Supers with or without secret identity, paid a stipend by the government to be helpful, or at least not a hindrance, in whatever way they chose. The catch is that the government knows your identity, so if you start flagrantly breaking laws and being a menace, you go to superjail.

>>84877180
Why would they bother doing any of that?

>>84877648
>Wouldn't it be better to have them as a millitary asset?
If you could convince them to agree, because if you can force them into compliance how valuable an asset can they be? Any superhuman that takes a negligible use of force to subdue isn't going to be very useful in open conflict, and any that takes a significant use of force is not only costly to bring into custody, they have the power to make any military operation they're a part of into a burning wreck the second they decide to escape. So, the only superhumans you could get into government service would be the patriots, or extremely expensive mercenaries.

>>84879366
When you have heroes as omnicapable as Superman and Batman, they force the government to be more honest. DC fucked up by trying to make the feds a cynical reflection of real life, Waller should be very much an outlier, a villain kept on the payroll in case her ruthlessness is needed, she should not be anywhere close to the norm. Marvel has idealist heroes, but for the most part they're not powerful enough to effect that kind of change. The ones that are that powerful, have too many flaws (Hulk, Sentry, Carl Manvers) or are too detached from any specific nation (Thor) to do what Superman and Batman do passively.

>>84892882
Given the current military budget, it is absolutely worthwhile to pay them large sums of money to work for you.
Hell, anyone who would be too costly to take down in open conflict is still someone you would rather pay quite a bit of money to just sit around in a mansion and not cause problems. Because if you try to arrest them merely for having powers and fail, you've now got someone who can go against tanks or jets and win who is currently gunning for you and now has 0 reason to even pretend to respect the law.
I'd also note that there are superpowers that might have great military application, but won't exactly make them that much harder to arrest. Somebody who can pinpoint individuals and read minds over vast distances would be an excellent asset, but if they're otherwise an ordinary person that doesn't exactly help them fight off a swat team. But again, why send in a swat team and make this person resent you when you can just show up and offer them money?

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>>84891892
Taskmaster can keep up better than most, but your right. Luckily in a doubles tournament that doesn't matter so much!

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Here's an idea.
Instead of living in a shitty world like Marvel where both government and society are racists against superheroes, why not live in an actually decent place like DC?

Like, just simply by not being such bigots against superpowers, they fight crime for FREE. You give them some plots of land, and they find their own resources to build titan towers to recruit the super youth of America.

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>>84892967
Honestly, simply by existing in DC Superman drags everybody and everything around him up to a giver minimum standard of behaviour.

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The way I run it in my setting is that the government does know but won’t act on it. The world’s elite are preparing for a massive alien invasion that they can’t win unless they elevate the entire species to a higher level.

Got bit by a spider on a field trip and now stick to walls? That’s because your age group is ideal for the spider mutation to grow in. Lightning strike your lab and give you super speed? Less natural accident, more a precise shot from a thunder hero on the inside of the conspiracy. Found an ancient Egyptian scarab and gained superpowers? That was planted there before you even knew you’d be doing that excavation.

Weather they use these abilities for good or evil is irrelevant, the heroes will counter the villains and if they don’t there’s enough contingencies that the villains can’t jeopardize the greater plan (or so the conspiracy thinks).

Some heroes are outliers to this. The vast, vast majority of masked vigilantes without powers aren’t connect to the feds and some have managed to maintain a secret identity from the conspiracy, pic related even being a double agent inside the conspiracy. Most non-western kinds of heroes are outliers, setting’s magical girls are heroes working for the coming alien invasion (though they aren’t aware of the plan in its entirety) and the shonen style characters range from aliens themselves to working with mystical forces indifferent to the greater conflict. There’s some other miscellaneous ones working with mystical forces as well that don’t warrant mentioning.

>>84894211
Wait a second, where's Raven?

>>84894725
Does he conjure hammers, or does it come back when thrown?

>>84893344
It's still a crapshoot if the stronger supers would be willing to be paid, you can't bribe Superman or Thor.

>>84877180
Superheroes are sanctioned by the government. If not explicitly, then implicitly by the lack of serious action taken against them.

>>84877180
Because sowing chaos is the goal of letter agencies, why mess with super heroes when they do that already?

>>84877180

Well, in DC those organisations no longer exist.
No, I'm fucking serious, but you'd be forgiven for not knowing this as it was a completely forgettable crossover event that happened right before Dark Multiverse did, the stakes were so impossibly low that nobody remembered it actually happened and every so often they had to have a writer remind people that Leviathan was still a thing. Barely.

>>84894751

Probably dead, that team looks mostly like the Young Justice squad with BB and Cyborg tossed in. Minus Secret of course, since I think by this point she's alive and normal again.

>>84894264

Goddamn the Taskmaster / Black-Ant byplay was fucking great and I miss it.

>>84894823
Superman and Thor are also excellent examples of supers you wouldn't want to piss off by trying to arrest them. Paying them money to go fight a war for you might not work. Paying them money so they won't cause trouble or will try to coordinate more with the local authorities might, especially if you point out that they can give that money to people who get caught up in their battle against a giant alien robot or other charities.

The goal is simply to add additional incentive for someone with superpowers to not just rob a bank or steal a sports car. And of course to actually get that money, the person with superpowers is going to be more actively attempting to keep contact with you.
This doesn't work out if someone with superpowers ends up being completely psychotic, but at that point you might have someone else who you're paying who you could either ask for help or offer more money to help face.
The point is that step 1 should be trying to pay them simply to not be a public menace, rather than capturing them and risking them turning into a public menace because of you.

>>84895223
>Paying them money so they won't cause trouble or will try to coordinate more with the local authorities
Superman won’t take money for the former (depending on what you mean by trouble) and already does the latter, freely out of his own good conscience. I doubt it would work with Thor either, albeit for different reasons, but for both of them you could probably try and be reasonable, since Superman is himself a pretty nice guy. But money is worthless to both of them. Thor is an Asgardian prince and has Asgard’s treasury, and Superman can crush coal into diamonds and just drop one off at a pawn shop on disguise if he wants. When he isn’t using his Kryptonian tech to live in a private ice fortress at the North Pole.

>>84894823
Superman exists on a scale of power where he is a nation unto himself. Somebody like Peter Parker, less so.

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>>84895058
maybe she's just pre-occupied elsewhere

>>84877180
>Why can't glowies groom supervillains and have them stage overdramatic crimes to lure out and arrest superheroes?
That was basically what Amanda Waller did to Bruce wayne in the Batman Telltale game

>>84894211
>why not live in an actually decent place like DC?
DC isn't exactly any sunnier these days.

>>84895311
An easy way to think of it would be a sheriff deputizing a superhero. Now the superhero is operating in a more official capacity and answers to the sheriff (at least theoretically). Obviously that's less necessary for heroes who are more moral regardless, but it helps assure the public that everyone involved is on the same page and that if the hero messes up, their salary could be spent on liability or damages, and if they screw up hard or turn into a villain they could have their authority revoked entirely.
This is more useful in cases where a superpowered individual might not be as perfect as superman. They might not have an isolated fortress full of futuristic technology in the arctic, or they may be trying to engage in heroics for less selfless reasons. If somebody wakes up one morning and they've got the powers of the Human Torch, there's a lot of trouble they could potentially cause even if they've got the best of intentions.
That's a case where it would be very worthwhile to try and just give the guy money so he stays home and undergoes some fire safety training, rather than waiting until he burns down half of downtown to call in the military in order to engage him in a battle that burns down the other half of downtown.

>>84895569
I don't see any major plots involving racism against supers being a consistent thing among its universes.

>>84895324
In a world that has a Superman, Peter Parker is a non-entity in terms of a superhuman arms race.

>>84891892
Captain America can, while fighting, calculate the angle and velocity of his shield in flight to not only hit enemies, it will hit enemies who aren't even IN the place they'll GET hit, YET, then end the fight in the exact right spot, in the exact right POSE, so the shield comes to right to his hand.

>>84895978
Doomsday Clock had a whole sub/sideplot about it.

Also the elseworld JLA: The Nail showed a DC world without Superman, which was a lot more dark and cynical, with the way civvies react to metas being closer to how Marvel civvies do so.

>>84890815
Well yeah. They have a shocking number of autists.

>>84897944
Not only that but this site used to be WAY edgier than it is now so there are likely glowies who's ENTIRE JOB is to LITERALLY just browse 4chan all day

>>84895353

Eh, Raven osscilates between alive or dead so much that she should be Math and Cat themed instead.

>>84894211
>racists against superheroes
Nah, just mutants, and they wholly deserve it too. Especially now in the Krakoa era.

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>>84900582
The average "instead of getting acne as a teenager my skin turned blue" mutant doesn't deserve the hate, but the X-men aristocracy absolutely do. Then again, X-men has a been a soap opera about the worst people on earth for decades, so we probably shouldn't be surprised.

>>84900801
>Then again, X-men has a been a soap opera about the worst people on earth for decades
Run that by me again.

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>>84894823


It's simple, you just tell them that their involvement will end the war quicker. They can either step in, or the government will be forced to continue fighting a conventional war, with all that entails.

>>84877783
> while Nick Fury is usually a ruthless but still heroic operator
depend which nick fury

Black Nick Fury is a goodhearted maverick that deos the good thing all the time

White Nick Fury is the ultimate MiB that stages coups as easily as he breaths and is so deep in it now that he canouldn't stop even if he wanted

>>84881923
It was the anniversary protest in support of the Jan 6 hullabaloo in DC. It's why no but undercover cops and feds showed up.

>>84877180
Leaving aside the fact that the government just isn't that good at coordination and carrying out plans (this is a supers setting after all, hypercompetent mundane people are on brand), it's because in the better written stories there's already government controls and benefits readied to offer to superheroes, which negates the need for many villains to go into crime (needing money) by offering them an alternative path and lets you co-opt the supers that DO want to help the world by already having your fingers in their pie.

>>84877180
>be government
>some faggot clown is trying to detonate a toxic waste bomb in one of the most populous cities on the east coast
>he is consistently stopped by some millionaire who beats him up while wearing a spandex fursuit
>this means you don't have to deal with this garbage and can go back to playing international poker game where the chips are power and everyone's cheating

This is why governments don't care about superheroes.

>>84902862
not him, but he is correct. X-Men comics are no longer about mutants saving a world that is biased against them, but instead have been about gigantic toolbags who are all fucking each other and engaging in drama instead of saving the world since the late 90s at least.

>>84903478
The Krakoa storyline has lead to some of the stupidest shit ever in X-men.

>>84877180
This is only a "superhero" setting in the absolute loosest terms possible, but American deep-state intrigue (and my own country too of course, but our feds have all corruption but none of the competence as the Americans do) has HEAVILY inspired the JJBA campaign I'm working on:

>Takes place in François, an incredibly remote town in Newfoundland Canada
>The Player Characters are all living there because each of them are on the run from different feds. The players will get to pick which feds and what, but examples can include being wanted by the RCMP, the CRA, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, etc.
>Justin Trudeau is on his 47th consecutive term as Prime Minister
>In the mandatory yearly census, the very first question on the front page is "Are you a Stand User?"

>>84877180
You've never watched Xmen First Class?

>>84903801
Not if he's lucky.

>>84894211
>that crossover where the Flash shows up in the Marvel universe and almost gets lynched by a random mob of anti-mutant civilians in mere seconds of his arrival
Marvel earth really is the shithole of superhero earths

>>84877180
It would limit people's creativity if every super has to survive being SWATted right after their big heroic debut.

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>>84904287
>Marvel earth really is the shithole of superhero earths
Its the Sliding Timescale Induced PTSD. To quote something an anon on /co/ said that stuck with me
>Consider how many superhero adjacent atrocities occur globally in Marvel, then realise that with with the sliding timeline these things are getting more and more compressed into a tiny slice of a single lifetime. The average New Yorker has by this point been 9/11ed every day for the last ten years, once by the actual 9/11!
Yes Marvel civilains are assholes, but considering the shit they put up with its honestly understandable.

Thread rather than screencapping because the linked examples are pretty funny.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/128228366/#128230766

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>>84904287
Policing is kinda wild in DC.

>>84900801
>a soap opera about the worst people on earth
>>84902862

When the Phoenix was coming to Earth, Cyclops was willing to risk the entire planet on the off chance it could restore the mutant population and demanded the Avengers let them handle it because they were "owed" that by humanity, meanwhile all he was doing to prep Hope to be the host was to beat her up and yell at her, when what she actually needed was training from a combination of Iron Fist's home town, and Spider-Man. Scott was such a petulant little cunt, he was going to let the planet burn to get his way, and he would have failed regardless.

>>84877180
Because they can only catch those they groom, and only after they've committed crimes.

>>84903284
>>84880484
My third world ass knows too well about this.
I'm convinced mass shooting are just one of the alphabet organisations doing some random crap.
Fucked threw more bombs into a random Asian country than the entire bombs thrown to Germany during WWII while keeping it secret. Infected a country with syphilis and their own US population.
One them doing some random protest or pushing some already mentally unstable dude into shooting up a school sounds and looks like something the Alphabet would do.
Those are just one of the few we know about, wonder what crap was the KGB or any other soup was/is doing.

Same reason they can't catch Epstein and his buddies.

>>84879489
I made it up.

>>84880114
ok glowie

>>84882936
zero proof, got it.

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>>84877180
Doesn't this already happen in the Marvel Universe?

>>84894911
if the government sanctioned them, they'd be penalized, not approved

>>84904287
based humans putting mutant freaks in their place

>>84905152
Cyclops was also told by somebody from the future that it would be fine, and trying to kill or fight it would cause disaster and conflict.

>>84882936
Maybe we just want to hear cool stories about vigilantes? Ever think of that

>>84908928
sanction is one of those weird words that can mean completely opposite things depending on context
>noun: sanction; plural noun: sanctions
>1. a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
>2. official permission or approval for an action.

>>84890718
Mmm, delicious boots.

>>84877180
Wasn't that (for one example) the premise of AvX?

The west coast x men just wanted to live their lives in peace on their little articficial island, and occasionally do some shopping in San francisco, the us government (and some citizens) won't just leave them alone and keep attacking them, and then the Phoenix force returns, mutants decide to use it to protect their people, the us govt try (in vain, obvs) to destroy it, and then they declare war with the USA and the avengers? The avengers try to stop them and fail - and then they go on to conquer the world - and the return to status quo happens because of a betrayal from the other mutants?

This plotline has been explored from dozens of angles over the past 60 years.

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>>84877180
No one, not even the largest government agencies, equipped with displaced technology, know anything about the powers that were erratically bestowed upon mankind. They are mercurial by nature, flitting in and out of cycles, usually crescendoing into a fiery cataclysm. In the ashes, there are periods of no further Supers to contend with, and thus the world can heal from their strain placed on the environment, aka our mother fucking earth.

>>84911095
When the stars go right, we'll see the gods returning, rising from the ocean, descending from the skies. The people will howl and wail, as all their legends are proven false and true. Cities and kings shall fall, people will turn away from the faith of their fathers, and turn to worshiping the reborn gods. You will get small hold outs of people, hiding in the wilderness. You will have large armies marching to take and to maim; wild and free like the gods.

The gods will ignore humanity, as they dance and fight and play with each other... our world trampled in the dust. But some, some poor souls may be noticed, and they will bear within them the children of the gods.
These monsters will be born, to rule and to destroy the world, and none will be safe.

And then the stars will stop being right. And civilization will rebuild.

Just like last time.

After all, the universe is not made of straight lines, but of cycles and loops. What was, shall be again.

It was just over three millennia ago that the stars were last right. The kingdoms and empires crumbled, demigods roamed the world, it was a time of savagery, when people came from the sea to destroy and to plunder. And it lasted for fifty years.

And we barely remember it now. the great city of Troy was believed a myth until a madman and looter discovered the site.

We remember stories of the men who walked with gods, but we cloak them as heroes. Because the truth of Heracles is not one we wish to know.

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>>84911111
Beheld, bucko

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>>84904542
Angry mobs are kinda wild in Marvel

>>84911363
wasnt this the thing where captain america called superman a super fascist

>>84912616
Probably. They went to the DC universe and saw that people actually liked their heroes there for the most part, so they assumed they were fascist dictators who forced them to like them, because the Marvel heroes are just so used to the general populace being so negative towards them that the idea of people liking the heroes was baffling to them.

>>84912656
>It's the supers who are wrong.
kek

>>84904542

I mean it is now that all the letter agencies in the entire world have been destroyed and absorbed by a ridiculous supervillain organisation called Leviathan. It was a crossover event with so tiny stakes by the standards of DC events that they keep forgetting that they did that and as a result it's literally not been resolved when it would probably take either Batman or a bored Lex Luthor five minutes and an internet connection to do.

>>84908836

They tried it once. And if Marvel hadn't been in the process of trying to get rid of the X-Men because the Fox deal hadn't gone through yet in favour of the [throws up a little in his mouth] Inhumans then it would have decried as the Mutant Registration Ace Part II: Death Robots on the Streets Boogaloo.
As it was it was a fucking disaster from start to finish and ended up with Captain America getting assassinated, Norman Osborn becoming head of SHIELD and various people getting horrendously character assassinated.
The main crux of the issue however stemmed from the fact that the american government couldn't admit that they were fucking worthless sacks of shit when it came to privacy in the face of people like Doctor Doom, or Octopus. Fuck I'd give the shocker or Boomerang good odds of hacking a Government Database in the Marvel Universe. And Boomerang's dead!

So if they had people signing up with their real names they were in fact literally parading all of their dependants and family members and where they lived to every psychopath who they've ever had to put into jail.
It also fucking directly led to One More Day, so fuck it. Fuck it just for that.

Meanwhile, in outer space, Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning were literally writing one of the best cross title cosmic marvel epics they've ever produced since the 70's. So good in fact, that they did it twice! Three times if you count War of Kings!

>>84894751
>>84895058
>>84895353
>>84899957
The picture in >>84894211 was near the start of the 2003 run of Teen Titans. This was after their encounter with a Jericho-possessed Deathstroke who turned Impulse into a 12 gauge Skyrim reference and jumped from Titan to Titan until he possessed Cyborg who forcibly locked Jericho in a partition and put him on a floppy drive (the human soul apparently is less than half a gigabyte). Brother Blood had been killed and replaced by his edgy 13 year old son (as is the fate of all Brother Bloods), and the new one revives Raven, pulls that gemstone that she has embedded in her forehead out and swallows it to boost his power, then marries her to allow him to summon demons into the world (reminder that Brother Blood is pretty much the high priest of Trigon).

The Titans show up, Beast Boy turns into a worm and jumps into Blood's mouth, recaptures Raven's gem to turn her back to normal, she teleports the two to a morgue (with a body on the slab), they smooch for a bit, then teleport back and kick Blood's ass. He gets sucked into Trigon's domain and everything's fine and dandy until things turned to shit in the next story arc.

>>84889719
People who can't do their own research and ask for sauce are even bigger idiots.

>>84908817
You're a cunt, got it.

>>84913796
>and everything's fine and dandy until things turned to shit in the next story arc.

So the standards Titans arc, gotcha.

>>84877180
Is that moot on the far left? When did he become an FBI grifter?

>>84913593
>It also fucking directly led to One More Day, so fuck it. Fuck it just for that.
Selling his marriage to Satan is second to killing his GF with his radioactive spunk, followed by making her dance the rope trying to save her from a deadly fall.

Also, yeah, that Star Lord run was actually fun.

>>84915831
moot had curlier hair
He started cooperating with the feds in like 2010-2011, around the time /l/ shut down - there was some actual CP circulating the board, they offered him a deal to provide all the logs that could help trace the posters in exchange for not raising any charges against him.

>>84911363
Thanks anon. I was about to ask "how the fuck could one of DC's most overpowered supers be threatened by an angry mob" but you answered that question by posting the comic!

>>84916028
By removing his super powers? That would work with anyone

>>84903017
That might get them to help during the war itself, but once it ends they're gone, you have no means of compelling them to sign on for continued service, and they have no reason to respect human contracts or laws. Once a superhuman hits a certain level of power, you have no feasible "or else" to compel them.

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>>84913593
>Norman Osborn becoming head of SHIELD
You had better not be implying Storming Norman wasn't the best director Shield ever had.

And we did get this excellent Thunderbolts series out of it, so it wasn't a total bust.

>>84918131
>You had better not be implying Storming Norman wasn't the best director Shield ever had.

I mean, he was near as much the last, who was it after that? Nick Jr and then gone?

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>>84918154
Maria Hill was in charge for a bit. Possibly even a couple of times, I think? She was always pretty useless, but that's the nature of the genre - an effective person in her position wouldn't put up with everything going on constantly. I think Captain America did a stint too.

>>84895069
This one's for you, anon.

>>84918281

Maria had ideas and at least tried to think out of the box from time to time. The problem was that they were all universally bad ideas and she was never receptive enough to constructive criticism. Like say "Are you SURE it's good idea to brainwash supervillains and put them into a Perfectville style middle america prison village via a sentient Cosmic Cube who you've taught that this is a perfectly valid way to solve problems? REALLY sure?"

>>84913593
>Three times if you count War of Kings!
I'd really prefer not to.

>>84918458

Eh, Blackbolt and Vulcan getting into a shouting match, reality coming apart and Adam Magus coming back wasn't too bad. But I do wish they'd have left Nova and Star Lord dead.

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>>84918481
Actually, just to double check, was War of Kings the one where they follow up Nova and Star Lord(I think, it's been years since I read this) staying behind in the Cancerverse and the writers apparenly not having read the event and contradicting what happened in it or am I having a stroke and getting it mixed up with another book?

>Blackbolt and Vulcan getting into a shouting match
That sounds hilarious. And pic related immediately popped into my head.

>>84918321
>The problem was that they were all universally bad ideas and she was never receptive enough to constructive criticism.
So she's a realistic depiction of the leadership of an Intelligence agency?

>>84919623

Aside from not having a Y chromasome yeah.

>>84877180
FBI stopped being a thing in the 50's. Superhumans didn't like how FDR tried to put them in camps during the 30's and how the military pushed them to commit war crimes (they tried to get one to do Dresden) during the 40's. The US went minarchist during the 50's as a result, because there's not much the government could do to superhumans saying "no thanks, I'm not going to pay taxes to a system that wants to control and exploit me."

There was never a CIA or NSA, and the characters learning that other universes developed these institutions reaffirms their belief that they did the right thing nuking the FBI.

>What about in Marvel?

Non-mutants general cuck to the government. See the entire history of the Avengers interacting with Henry Peter Gyrich. The government keeps everyone's IDs on file.

>What about DC?

Superman is willing to work with the government, but not take orders. See Last Son for a good example of him fighting against the government, or when Lex was president during Joe Casey's run. Superhumans tolerate the government, because people are stupid enough to elect them, even while the government keeps trying to invent ways to kill and replace them (see Ultramarines).

The government wishes they had everyone's ID on file, but they can't do anything about Superman's thousand and one insane feats to preserve his identity of Batman's money and writer fiat.

>>84903249
You got it backwards.

Remember that Ultimate Nick was the one who shot Peter Parker's parents to preserve a secret.

>>84878034
>Have them spice up the government agency that they are in charge of.
Mr. Bones and Checkmate.

>>84879043
That is exactly what the government would do. They would handle them like corporations. They would regulate, tax, and exploit them but also offer them kickbacks and privileges based on how useful they are, because when you got tax cattle, you want the tax cattle to grow big and fat.

It's what Europe does in my setting. They work very, very closely with superhumans, and many old superhumans have seats on the regulatory body. They give you a UBI, which gets taken away the second you even think about applying yours powers in any kind of industry or superheroics. You don't use your powers. You're being paid not to use your powers. If you want to use them, you work where they tell you, how they tell you, and for as long as they tell you.

If you're an especially good boy, you get promoted and you get to boss around all the superhumans under you. Lots of superhumans stick to Europe because this is a kickback that not even America or Japan will give you--the authority to command thousands of superpowered individuals and control their lives.

>>84879076
>He submits himself before obvious fed boi plots and pretends not to notice anything for free
Pathetic.

>>84885465
Ew. No. That worldbuilding was shit.

>>84890029
>Open fire first
>Set the compound on fire
>Mow down women and children
FED BOIS DIN DU NUFFIN

>>84878034
>Cynical setting that doesn't jive with the tropes and conventions of the superhero genre?

Read some early Action Comics. Superman was fighting against fed bois before the war kicked off. One of his stories was tearing down a ghetto and saying to the government "clean it up, feddie."

>>84906399
Leftoids believe the lie that the 3 letter agents only fuck with other countries.

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>>84877180
For that matter, what happens when /b/ weaponizes their autism and tracks down sightings like Shia LaBeouf's flag?

>>84903249
>>84920340
Yeah.
Maybe he's thinking of Punisher MAX Nick Fury?

>>84918553
War of Kings was an Inhumans-conquered-Kree fighting a Mutant-Conquered Shiar and the shouting match created the rip that let in the Cancerverse.

>>84922051
Ah, I was thinking of another thing then. Ignore what I said earlier.

>>84922051

A problem which they solved, if memory serves, by tossing Thanos at it.

>>84877696
They're still occasionally finding Operation Fast and Furious guns, and can almost never figure out where they're coming from other than the fact that they were originally from the US government.

>>84921313
>when /b/ weaponizes their autism and tracks down sightings
I don't have it to hand, but there's a batman page where he shitposts conspiracies(and even the truth)on forums to disrupt them and even make the truth seem like just another schizo post or whatever with no credence

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>>84924138
Got you covered famalamadingdong.

Fairly certain the site itself is meant to look like the CBR Forums, which is a nice touch.

>>84924138
>>84924188
I am beyond certain that this is just "The Butts Match" tumblr post and some glorious fucker in the writing department decided to run with it.

Must be really cathartic for Bruce to mess with people like this

>>84877180

To inject modern pessimism maybe because those departments have become so corrupt and politicized that they only act on matters that absolutely require their attention or the party that hired them into office is pushing for them to break many laws to help them with their pissing contests.

Super heroes and villains aren't something they would care about unless it's going to affect an election outcome in swing states. Until that happens they would be happy to have yahoos do their job for free.

>>84924138
>>84924188
>>84924237
Guanoposting in practice.