>[casual leisure activity] does not create groudbreaking art
Did you work that out on your own?

>>84470531
Works on my machine

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>>84470531
yeah, it is pointless if you're not having fun.
just like any activity made for fun.
(football is pointles, you just run around after the ball, how can I transcend reality with this?)
Have you tried having fun?

>>84470602
Oh don't be flippant to the poor boy.
We weren't all born all-knowing.

I think the thing that makes Tabletop Roleplay great is that it's a collaborative enterprise.
But that also means it's never going to be that private canvas that an auteur needs to work their genius.

Except perhaps from the perspective of designing the game itself.

Playing the game is too much a work of compromise to ever present the vision of an individual in transcendent form, which "I" at least, would consider one of the qualifying criteria for "Great Art".

And what makes great Commercial art is a whole other but interrelated matter, but I dunno if I can sustain a conversation about that.

>>84470792
>it's never going to be that private canvas that an auteur needs to work their genius
It's not supposed to be, and no one with a functional brain should ever have thought it was.
You are a fucking retard.

>>84470602
>casual leisure activity
It isn't though. You guys put more effort into this than most people put into any of their hobbies. The effort to enjoyment ratio is lower than possibly any other common hobby. You can say "a-at-at least it's free!" Yet a good number of you spend a hundred bucks a year on books and shit. So clearly it's more than just "fun" for you.

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>>84470531
>In my 15 years of roleplaying
Looking at your stupid post we would be lucky if you are 15 years old

>>84470892
Anon, the effort is the fun part. That's what makes it a hobby, as opposed to passively consuming media.

>>84470531
I do it because I have fun with my friends, who mean more to me than any piece of art or well-told story.
>spend that time experiencing something made by someone with actual talent, so you can briefly transcend your dull reality and feel elevated?
Most art is really not that important. I've read the classics, and while I enjoyed them, they didn't elevate my mind the way a non-fiction history book has. I can only take so much information at a time though, so I like to let my mind relax by watching sports, playing games, reading fantasy, etc.

>>84470892
>a hundred bucks a year
HAHAAHAHAHAAHA
That's way on the low end for hobbies

>>84470892
>So clearly it's more than just "fun" for you.
What is it for you? I have no qualms with how I choose to spend my time but you seem to have a hang up that you spent 15 years only having fun. I don't see any reason to hold myself to any obligation in my free time besides enjoying myself how I feel like

>>84470966
Drinking and going to the casino aren't hobbies.

>>84471033
Going anywhere at all will probably cost you more than a hundred bucks in a year for transportation costs or gas. Even vidya for a year is going to easily cost more than $100

>>84470531
OP needs to go reconnect with nature. Go for a hike on a sunny day and climb to the tallest hill near your town.

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>>84470850
>Agrees with me
>Still calls me a retard

The fuck kinda kung-fu is this?

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>>84470531
High art gemmy

imagine being this stupid and focused on forcing a platonic ideal of transcendence. you could be playing a ttrpg with actual friends or to try and make friends, being present in those moments. op made a midwit tier troll thread and doesnt deserve a (You)

>>84471163
I play with my friends every Saturday.

>>84471092
I go hiking almsot every Sunday.

>replying to a wojak troll thread
Are people genuinely this stupid?

>>84470892
poorfag detected

>>84471525
No? I shoot guns and spend ten times that a year. But you can't say "ohh it's a cheap hobby" then be a total fucking consoomers about it.

>>84471579
What hobbies are cheaper than $100 a year?

>>84471608
gardening can be (depending on region and rainwater availability)

>>84471608
Fucking your mom.

>>84471669
Are we assuming that you don't purchase plants or soil cause my mom definitely spends more than that every spring

>>84471608
Writing
Drawing
Music production if you use a free DAW
Pixel art (assuming you already have a computer like 90 percent of people do anyway)
All hobbies I've engaged in and not spent more than 100 on ever. Drawing maybe comes close but the rest I've literally never spent a cent on.

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>>84470531
>my 15 years of roleplaying
This must be bait.

>>84471691
I bet he steals plants and soil.

>>84471714
>Writing
Maybe assuming you never purchase any sort of reference material
>Drawing
Lol no unless you never purchase literally any supplies
>Music production if you use a free DAW
Lol no unless you only use free digital instruments and never purchase any sort of audio equipment
>Pixel art (assuming you already have a computer like 90 percent of people do anyway)
I could believe pixel art specifically since you can probably run it on a regular computer, but higer end art definitely has material and equipment costs that aren't part of a normal pc set up. Digital drawing tablet alone could easily be a hundred bucks.
>All hobbies I've engaged in and not spent more than 100 on ever. Drawing maybe comes close but the rest I've literally never spent a cent on.
I don't believe you, or rather I think you're just misleading about how much you spend so that you can make spending $100 a year on materials seem somehow expensive

>>84471777
What reference material?
What audio equipment?
What drawing tablet?
I'm.not saying I've never spent more than 100 on a hobby but they definitely exist.

>>84470531
i'm not 1 or 2? your post seems like you dont play ttrpgs

I literally just roleplay because its fun, and i constantly steal ideas from other settings and roleplay like a retard in my settings, simply because i have fun doing so and so do my friends.

I unironically stopped reading when you mentioned DnD 3 times in a row.

>>84471841
Yeah I'll take that into advisement fron the artist "drawing" with his $20 computer mouse and making "music" with zero audio equipment. You start the thread bitching about how rpgs cant create real art or be transcendent but apparently your bar for art is making wojaks in fucking ms paint

>>84471745
Pretty much, I mean there could be some light expenses on seed, but everything else you just pick outdoors. Water is the costly part (depending on weather)

>>84470892
I don’t think you understand what a hobby is, if that’s what you consider the amount people spend on hobbies a year then you must be retarded enough to think that watching movies or listening to music is a hobby

>>84471907
It sucks for the person who yard slowly goes missing

>>84471863
Do you think everyone uses a drawing tablet? Or that paper cost more than 100 bucks? Why do you need anything more than a computer mouse for PIXEL ART? Why do you NEED a 3k synth to make music?
Inb4 "what you make is shit" ok well I've been complimented on it on this site multiple times. So not exceptional but clearly not completely terrible.
Inb4 "well it's not a real hobby" ok nice backpedaling then

>>84471951
I called out pixel art as an exception but you need a drawing tablet if youre going to do digital art that isn't fucking colored squares being put in a pattern. If you aren't doing digital art you will absolutely spend more than $100 on art supplies in a year. If you want to make music an instrument will absolutely cost more than $100 as well as maintaining it, and you need fucking audio equipment of microphones to capture good sound. If you're using only digital instruments you still probably want to invest in good software so you aren't making shit music.

You'd have to be purposely trying to do some super poor fag challenge to eschew basic tools and materials for your hobby. Again, you chose the bar of $100 in an entire year as your metric for "expensive" as a hobby. Goddamn fast food worker will make that much in one or two days. You're having to bend over backwards to justify it as expensive in relation to any other hobbies or even basic living things. I probably spend more than $100 on gas driving to work every year and my commute is less than 10 minutes

>>84471949
nah, thou shall not covet thy neighbors stuff, just go take it from the big field, for some hundred acres of corn couple buckets makes no difference

>>84472040
I use a free DAW and people have told me to put my music on YouTube or even try to sell it. Never spent a cent on music stuff. Self taught myself pretty much everything. Both classical training then later sound design. I'd post it but you'd just call it shit to spite me so I don't care to. Nor does it matter because I didn't eschew spending to prove a point, I just never felt the need to spend.

A drawing pad is like ten bucks and a set of decent pens can be had for 20.

>i hate this hobby but spent 15 years partaking in it anyway
try to go more than 2 sentences before breaking character the next time you make a shitty troll thread

>>84472431
>A drawing pad is like ten bucks and a set of decent pens can be had for 20.
Yeah and I can steal crayons and a placemat from applebees for the price of an appetizer. The fact I can do that doesn't mean that should be considered the benchmark of cost. I can get a ream of paper and a box of 20 ball point pens for less than $50 but if my hobby is drawing and I'm doing it regularly I'm probably going to want some actual tools and materials. Different kinds of paper, more robust paper, a larger selection of pens and pencils with different sizes and colors, maybe even branching out into adjacent mediums like charcoals.

The point is that $100 is not a considerable amount of money to spend in a year and it's bizarre that you seem to think it is unless you're posting from a time machine or something

>>84472496
I said a drawing pad and decent pens. Did I need to specify felt tip? I'm telling you the actual amount I paid for these things in 2021 American dollars. I'm not talking about printer paper and ballpoint pens.
It's not bizarre to spend 100 bucks on a hobby. I even said I spend more than that on shooting. But the idea that "dude find me a hobby that can be done fro under 100" is somehow a difficult question, is retarded.

>>84472519
Again, I don't care that you specifically live some kind of stoic aesthetic. Your personal anecdote that you don't buy good equipment or materials does not matter so much as you trying to say "because I get buy spending pennies, that is the reasonable benchmark for these hobbies."

I asked you what hobbies are cheaper and you listed five things you don't spend money on. That's not the same. Except for writing, every one you listed easily run up more than $100 unless you are specifically trying to keep to a budget.

And what's really fucking retarded about this whole thing is that an rpg hobbyist will easily spend more than a $100 every year on shit. You'd have to go out of your way and only work from pirated material and basic supplies not to. If you try and bring in anything like physical or digital books, dice, miniatures, etc you'll easily drop more than a bill

>>84472603
>You'd have to go out of your way and only work from pirated material and basic supplies not to. If you try and bring in anything like physical or digital books, dice, miniatures, etc you'll easily drop more than a bill
First RPG I ever played was star wars d20 which was one core book for 40 bucks. Plus some dice for 10. Didn't use minis back then. I also played savage worlds where the core book is 10 dollars. You pretty much have to use minis for that system, but you could also use coins. Even then minis don't cost that much if you don't care what they are. Fuck, even basic fantasy RPG is 5 dollars for print copy and doesn't use minis so all you need is pencil and paper and dice. Wow ten bucks for an rpg experience as good as any other, if you have an ounce of imagination. I know of people who have done this btw.

You didn't say normal benchmark, you said was it possible to spend less than 100. I rocoed that objectively several times while also hsiwing I had an at least average level of success at those hobbies. So where am I wrong?

>>84472690
Yeah I know people who have played dnd in prison using donated books and no pens or paper and just their imagination it doesn't mean I can put that forward as a reasonable measure of the cost of playing dnd.

I said what hobbies are cheaper than $100 a year. You responded with times you have personally spent than less than $100 and have been trying to argue that that somehow translates to the hobby costing that much which is absurd on its face. It's like saying my hobby is shooting and costs less than $100 a year because I go to the woods and shoot a .22 at some cans once a year

>>84471033
Retard, have you ever had a hobby? Do you know how much paint costs? Just how disconnected from a normal human being are you?

>>84472431
>Self taught myself pretty much everything. Both classical training then later sound design.
Assuming you're also OP, how did you self develop an artist's practice in a vacuum but fail to improve as a gamer in a decade and a half?
I think the reason you find gaming so hollow is that you're not trying to develop yourself into a better player or GM.
If you only have a few golden moments to show from 15 years, you might just not be good at it. Stick to royalty free music on YT and drawing shit.

>>84473029
>I think the reason you find gaming so hollow is that you're not trying to develop yourself into a better player or GM.
I did. But at the end of the day most groups are just shit at roleplay and don't have that inner spark to make anything special out of it. Again I ask, why are you wasting time on this instead of enjoying the talents of others who are better than you in every conceivable way?

>>84470531
Roleplaying is like taking a good shit. It feels good not because you produced something worthwhile, but because of the act itself. No one is going to frame the end product, it's messy and weird and it stinks, but what you enjoyed was the experience itself. It's the process that matters, not the final result.

>>84470531
>Roleplaying is pretty pointless.
Yep. It serves almost no purpose except personal enjoyment.

>In my 15 years of roleplaying I can think of maybe a handful of times it felt at all profound or transcendant.
Same here, haven't really had many profound or life changing moments in roleplaying, usually it's just good, plain fun. Why would I expect otherwise from a hobby or personal pastime?

>Like I was reaching into some kind of pool of creative spontaneity outside of myself and having an important experience.
I'm not sure why you're looking to have a spiritual experience while playing a TTRPG anon, but have you tried roleplaying while on mushrooms or hallucinogens? Maybe that'll get you what you're after.

>The rest of it is just boiling down to the fact that most people have no talent
Yep, but talent is a spook anyway. I don't have to be good at something to enjoy it.

> the idea that these games are somehow creative because you thought of a way to mix 5 different tropes off of a random table into a premise for a story, is ridiculous.
I dunno that sounds like a pretty neat way to come up with plot hooks. Besides you basically just described all stories if you boil them down enough. Originality is overrated.

>Why not spend that time experiencing something made by someone with actual talent, so you can briefly transcend your dull reality and feel elevated?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question. RPGs do make me feel elevated, I'm doing something that brings me joy surrounded by people whose company I appreciate. That's an inherently uplifting experience. Do you not feel that way anon? Why would you spend 15 years participating in something you don't enjoy?

84470531
>Thinks consuming media made by others is in any way better than creating something of your own
>Thinks putting effort into a hobby is somehow a strike against it
>Thinks spending >$100/year means literally anything
>Says he's spent 15 years roleplaying when he apparently doesn't enjoy it
This post is extremely low quality

>Posting bait threads on /tg/ is pretty pointless. Nothing you're creating is original or good. In your 15 years of posting bait it has never felt at all profound or transcendant. Like you were reaching into some kind of pool of creative spontaneity outside of yourself and having an important experience. It is just boiling down to the fact that you have no talent and the idea that you waste your time posting bait, is ridiculous. Why not spend that time doing literally anything else, so you can briefly transcend your dull reality and feel elevated?

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>>84470531
>Roleplaying is pretty pointless. You've got a bunch of average barely-talented dumbasses coming together to either (1) play DnD 5e and have essentially the same experience as everyone else who played DnD 5e, or

Roleplaying is used to develop your character, to engage in all sorts of batshit shenanigans and I don't give a fuck if my players are untalented. If they want to play a stereotypical Viking inspired warrior called "Brolaf of Barbaria" or go full twink tiefling warlock and go "uwu ewdwitch bwast" wearing a maid outfit, I could give less of a shit. So long as EVERYONE is having fun and no one is upsetting anyone, I don't see how you can limit all DnD experiences as being the same. You're trying to apply a "universal" truth based on your own negative experiences and broadly brush it with everyone else, as opposed to embracing the plurality of existence and learning from it. I bet you're the king of soft-cunt who'd throw a hissy fit about Fantasy Wheel-Chairs in DnD for being "unrealistic".


(2) try to run some original setting where you act like you have the talent to know how an 1840s Japanese steampunk samurai would react to anything.

Truth be told that sounds fun. Honestly, I'd really interested in exploring the geography, culture, and governing forms of this setting to make for intriguing plot hooks and story telling. Fuck, if I get to fight off Samurai in a battle inspired by the Satsuma rebellion that'd be sweet. That's not even getting into the cool shit relating to the amount of Japanese mythology you could tap into as well as draw inspiration from the Meiji restoration.

(1/2)

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>>84475294
>Nothing you're creating is original or good. Even the stars of the DnD world, the critical roll söys, are beyond boring to watch.
What makes you think I bother watching critical role? I could give a fuck what Mercer and co. do, I care about having a good time with my mates. If my players have anything to offer relating to the experience, then I'll listen and improve. And who are you to say what's "good". If you're honestly this delusioned with DnD then fucking play something else. I honestly say this because you've offered nothing constructive. Ok, if roleplayings a problem, what would you do the fix it? What do you bring to the table.
So far, your whining bitch ass has brought NOTHING constructive to add to the experience. Cunts like are why nothing productive gets done: because all you do is bitch.

>In my 15 years of roleplaying I can think of maybe a handful of times it felt at all profound or transcendant. Like I was reaching into some kind of pool of creative spontaneity outside of myself and having an important experience.
Yeah and my dad works at nintendo. It's clear that either 1. your friends that you RP with haven't bothered practicing or 2. you haven't bothered improving. You've just in a puddle of your own shit too afraid to speak out about it, because you don't want to rock the boat. Grow some balls and actually tell your friends of the issues you feel as opposed to being a coward and seethe to a bunch of anonymous dorks on a mongolian throat singing forum.

>The rest of it is just boiling down to the fact that most people have no talent and the idea that these games are somehow creative because you thought of a way to mix 5 different tropes off of a random table into a premise for a story, is ridiculous.
What do you define to be talent? You constantly use this vague sumation as to why things suck but you give no specifics. Stories will repeat and have tropes, it's unavoidable. Doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

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>>84475353
>Why not spend that time experiencing something made by someone with actual talent, so you can briefly transcend your dull reality and feel elevated?

Again, what is "talent". You sound like an absolute sap to play with if playing dnd is a fucking chore.
>but muh 15 years
That's ample time for you to either
1. Explore new systems and add-ons to dnd
2. Homebrew some rules to make it more enjoyable
3. TRY SOMETHING FUCKING NEW AS OPPOSED TO DND
4. Figure out a way to improve your party dynamics.

You're a fucking loser dude. DnD has its problems. Roleplaying with your mates shouldn't be one of them.

>>84470531
The point isn't to make great art. The point is to simulate the most flexible computer game possible. This is why railroading and dice fudging is bad. It should be like playing a CRPG where you can try any cool idea you can think of even if the designers didn't think of it in advance.

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>>84470531
it's not really about talent or quality, it's about the possibility and actually attempting to do so. idc if some one's presenting of a '1840s Japanese steampunk samurai' is inaccurate?! what are you retarded?!?!
it's the concept itself that is so invaluable, and it's either existing in a shared fantasy or it isn't!!!

>>84470531
>Argument from authority
I have more talent in my left pinky toe than Tolkein had in his whole creatively bankrupt body.

>>84470892
>you guys put more effort into this than most people put into any of their hobbies
And I get infinitely more enjoyment out of this than say, writing a book, drawing, playing video games, watching movies, etc.
>The effort to enjoyment ratio is lower than possibly any other common hobby.
I don't know what you're on about, the effort to enjoyment ratio is significantly higher than any other hobby I've ever participated in.
>Yet a good number of you spend a hundred bucks a year on books and shit
Nobody spends money on books anymore.

You sound like you just don't have a drop of creativity in your body and that's fine, the hobby isn't FOR you, it's for the rest of us.

>>84471777
>Writing
PDFs are free on the internet but why the fuck would you need reference material unless you're a thieving hack?
>Drawing
You make a one-time purchase of a digital tablet and stylus and the replacement nubs will keep you for several years. I've had my tablet for a literal decade at this point, or just about.
>Music production
See PDFs, but with soundfonts, sample packs, etc. You can make music with FL studio and a keyboard and mouse.
>Pixel art
Free, you can literally do it in MSpaint.

>>84470531
Yeah well my life has more powerful joys than your life does.

>>84473622
Just stop playing ttrpgs, instead of complaining like a OP faggot.

>>84470531
It’s not though it’s fun. Also the point is ti be immersed into a different world and have adventures in it. When you make a character and play it for a long time you get attached to it so the idea of something bad like death happening sucks but gets you really involved.

>>84475854
Such as?

>>84475382
>3. TRY SOMETHING FUCKING NEW AS OPPOSED TO DND
>implying you have the talent to competently roleplay as Cthulhu investigators in 15th century china
>or even the default 1920s America

>>84479383
Roleplaying

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>>84470531
>are beyond boring to watch
>watch
Why would you watch other people have fun?

>>84475045
>Why would you spend 15 years participating in something you don't enjoy?
How do you think marriage works?

>>84470531
>being a Narrativistcuck
>not being a Gamistchad
>2022

>>84470531
No games need to stop shitting up the board.

>>84479620
at this point nogames are the board

>>84470531
>Fun is stoopid!

>>84479500
Anon I'm sorry to say, that's not how marriage works. Your wife is just a bitch.

>>84470531
stop being a retarded nihilist and find a hobby you actually like then instead of shitting on one you've held yourself captive to

>>84470531
I’d suggest solo gaming, but from the sound of you it would just devolve into self-loathing.

>>84471951
You don’t *need* rpg books or dice either, shit’s all free online. But, hilariously enough, people serious about their hobbies will drop cash on it. Amazing right?

>>84473622
What games have you played.
> inb4 d&d and pathfinder

>>84470531
>Why not spend that time experiencing something made by someone with actual talent, so you can briefly transcend your dull reality and feel elevated?
Because everything you just said is really fucking retarded and you should be ashamed for having ever thought of it.

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>>84473622
Your sample size is tiny. At this point you would be better served viewing yourself as the commonality between the tiny nunber of shitty groups you've been involved with.

>>84470892
>Yet a good number of you spend a hundred bucks a year on books and shit.
I spend more than that on offroading, so it sounds like a damn cheap hobby.

>>84482164
Yeah obviously something involving cars will cost more than 100 bucks a year you retard.

>>84480833
Your reddit tier passive aggressiveness isn't coming across as witty. That entire post was to the point that there ARE hobbies costing less than 100 bucks a year and you can function just fine within them. I've never tried to limit my hobby spending, I simply don't feel the need to spend.

>>84480194
So why do you engage in a hobby with such a low enjoyment-to-effort ratio?

>>84482468
It was meant to come off as mocking, rather than witty. Because I’m mocking you.
Your point is also invalid because I drop fat stacks on my hobbies, and for some reason the exception doesn’t prove the rule in your world (???).

>>84482482
I don't, RPGs give me a great effort to enjoyment ratio. If that's not the same for you maybe you're just not into the hobby.

>>84470531
>In my 15 years of roleplaying
You haven't been alive for 15 years

>>84470531
You talk like a bitch and have only reinforced my opinion that roleplayers are insufferable faggots and that it is a good thing the hair dyed wierdos are running roughshod over it.

>>84482578
Why would someone be into watching talentless fat asses pretend they are victorian pirates when they don't know the first thing about roleplaying as one? The majority of people who play RPGs just have absolutely nothing to offer, creatively-speaking.

>>84482660
Cool then get the fuck out normonig.

>>84482584
>You haven't been alive for 15 years
Correct, I've been alive for 29 years not 15.

>>84482710
>OP is still here and bumping his thread
holy fuck what a loser
stick to spamming wojaks on the other boards, you weirdo

>>84482710
>I've been alive for 29 years
You are a 14 year old who just discovered nihilism.

>>84470531
>Nothing you're creating is original or good
>Why not spend that time experiencing something made by someone with actual talent
So Barbecue is a waste of time since you could be going to a five star restaurant instead? Karaoke is a waste of time because you could just listen to the original song instead? Something tells me you have no friends.

>>84482935
>Karaoke is a waste of time
Yes


>>84482750
Never said that. I'm not nihilistic, I just don't delude myself into thinking anything more than maybe 5 percent of the roleplaying game playerbase have any sort of talent that would make the experience worth it. Why not spend your time being entertained by the most talented individuals available? Life's too short to waste on garbage.

>>84470531
Are you so lonely that you've come to tell people that they shouldn't enjoy spending time with their friends? Who cares about the quality of the narrative or the group's knowledge about any given subject as long as everyone is having a good time?

Enjoy your (you)

>>84473622
I don't want to consume content, I want to improve myself. I don't care how much better someone is than me. I care how much better I am than I was yesterday.

>>84470531
my play group's role playing consists of trying to trick, decieve and otherwise fuck over as many npcs as they have to in order to obtain fame and fortune and I wouldnt have it any other way

>>84470945
To be fair the average age here has got to be 30+

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>>84483494
If OP the gaylord is not underage then he is pants on head retarded. Either way OP should not posing in 4chan.

>>84483459
>>84483467
If it's only for "fun" then why not do something that actually maximizes your fun? "It's with my friends" doesn't automatically make it better. You can watch a movie with friends. Then at least you won't have to deal with you guys stuttering through trying to act some grand epic or even anything resembling an enjoyable story.

>>84483856
I also watch movies with my friends. But in a movie you are a passive consumer. In an rpg I want to be an active participant. If you're satisfied just consuming media with your free time then stick with that. There are more than plenty media groups who live off of people with your mindset

>>84483397
>life's too short to waste on garbage
>but not too short to spend hours posting on the garbage forum for garbage people to tell them they're all garbage
Mask slipping, babe.

>>84470892
What kind of hobbies do you enjoy?

>>84483397
>I'm not nihilistic, I'm just a whiny bitch
What's the difference?

>>84483397
You're not close to the most talented person in any activity you do. Why do you still do those activities?

>>84470531
I really do think you should play Ironsworn, it would really help you appreciate group play to discover just how terrible you are at being entertaining.

>>84484055
Okay then at least play a pregenerated campaign written by someone actually talented, so that at least half your RPG campaign isn't plebian shit.

>>84484581
>NO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING YOURSELF YOU NEED TO CONSOOOOOOOOOM!
fuck off jew

my problem with tabletop has never been about the game but about having to do it with people I almost always end up hating

>>84484581
No

>>84484581
Have you ever thought that us making our own things specific to our exact tastes is better than some random trying to make an epic adventure that will sell thousands of copies? Just because you're incapable of creating doesn't mean anyone else is.

>>84470531
>In my 15 years of roleplaying I can think of maybe a handful of times it felt at all profound or transcendant. Like I was reaching into some kind of pool of creative spontaneity outside of myself and having an important experience.
Unironically soulless. That pool should be inside you.

>>84483856
That doesn't sound like nearly as much fun. I want to do things and challenge myself, not sit quietly and stare. The stuttering doesn't bother me nearly as much as stolid inactivity would.

>>84485410
Yeah, OP is just frustrated at how creatively bankrupt he is.

>>84470531
You are almost on the path to OSR enlightenment

This is the truly the best bait I've seen in ages. Projectile diarrhea shitting on consoomers by larping as one.

>>84485635
>>84485410
It's not inside the vast majority of people..I'm considered the most creative of my friends and even then my truly good ideas feel wasted on them. Most people suck at roleplaying and have little to no ingenuity. whereas today I just read a fairly brilliant comic book series that had me hooked until I finished it. Stuff that my group would never think of in a million years. And that's comic books, literal manchild pleb medium. So when you're even lower than that, how do you justify spending time on it?

>>84487728
>ohh look at me, I'm infinitely more creative and intelligent and great and charismatic than everyone around me, woe is me
ok faggot

Roleplaying's one of the most enjoyable hobbies out there. Most roleplayers are neither professional authors nor professional actors, but using and exercising such creative skills and imagination as you have is still fun. Engaging with other people with similar interests and flexing you imaginations together is even more fun. Unlike with professional products, an RPG campaign can also be tailored to the tastes of specific group, which is a pretty significant plus. Also OP is a faggot, but I guess that's not news to anyone.

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>>84487728
>I'm considered the most creative of my friends and even then my truly good ideas feel wasted on them.

>>84487728
OK. If you really are that cool, show us something you made. Blow us away at how great you are.

>>84470892
>You can say "a-at-at least it's free!"
/v/irgins can't help but out themselves no matter the context, you all sound exactly the same

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>>84487728
>Most people suck at roleplaying and have little to no ingenuity

True. And the worst are the ones who think they're genius creatives and look down on everyone around them like plebs while they act like their own sophomoric garbage is the height of imagination and wit.

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>>84470602
fpbp

>>84470892
>thinks GMing is high effort
Consider the rope, brainlet

anime trannies talking about creative bankruptcy is always amusing

>>84489439
gottem

>>84489230
You still haven't replied. You really are bullshitting us. Bravo, OP. This is some of the best bait I've seen in a while.

>>84470892
I lathe turn my competition bullets. This is my cheap hobby.

>>84482468
>Yeah obviously something involving cars will cost more than 100 bucks a year you retard.
It's called a motorcycle, you troon.

>>84488973
Yeah but you don't have any creativity worth sharing. So it's just a sham, and you are deluding yourself.

>>84491117
>>84489230
I have a job, fagcunt. And a life. Sorry I'm not responding to your gay posts every 2 seconds. And I would post something I've created but I'd rather not since you'll just dogpile it and I'll never be able to share it on here again without you stalking me.

>>84489253
I've literally never posted on /v/. I haven't even been accused of that in probably 6 years now. Which is 6x as long as you've been in this site, so maybe go back to réddit?

>>84489220
Yep

>>84489437
Well maybe that's part of the problem. You people not only have no talent, you put no actual creative effort into DMing. Go play lasers and feelings and have the most unoriginal "improv" experience ever.

>>84491934
Are you doing autistic bench-locked setups or are you using some wildcat? Most people are fine with match-grade ammo in my experience. Premium brands if they are running some gucci setup but still store-bought. Why do you lathe-turn bullets yourself?

>>84494357
>You people not only have no talent, you put no actual creative effort into DMing
Yeah, and we have 1,000x as much fun. Have you considered that over-exertion might be your issue?

>>84470531
Still not sure if an unironic kike or a quality shitposter; either way this is a great bait thread. Godspeed, OP

>>84494959
Have you considered that """fun""" is not the end all be all of everything? Particularly when there are much easier paths toward far greater "fun"??

>>84496562
It’s easy for other people to be creative, you’re just neurotic, and frustrated at your own impotence.

>>84496562
Have you considered not being a tremendous faggot, or are you too obsessed with cock to think straight?

>>84494311
Nah, I am in fact having fun, and your assessment of my creativity is pretty much completely irrelevant to any part of my post.

>>84496562
Has literally anyone ITT said that fun is the end all be all of everything? It is, however, a pretty important part of leisure activities. And no, for people who like RPGs there aren't much easier paths towards far greater fun. You seem to have some real trouble with grasping the idea that most people in the hobby get more of a kick out of roleplaying games than you apparently do.

>>84496562
It is the end all be all of leisure. What kind of retard comes to RPGs expecting art lmfao

>>84496876
>projecting

>>84497344
>more projecting

>>84497509
You're not creative. Name something you've produced that's been published or widely lauded on here? There is no barrier to entry. Just because you are having fun doesn't mean you aren't delusional and misguided. You could be increasing your enjoyment but instead you play ttrpgs to fluff your ego even though you're creating nothing of even ephemeral value

>>84497608
>most people in the hobby get more of a kick out of roleplaying games than you apparently do.
And what kick is that? Pretending to be talented as if it makes them better for trying? Trying doesn't make you better. Succeeding does.

>>84498360
What kind of retard wastes his leisure time in stuff that isn't artful?

>>84470531
>Critical roll is the star of DnD
Stopped reading right there, OP is retarded and don't play table top games.

>>84470892
>You spend $100 a year on DnD
Dude, all the info is literally online for free. I've done 5 campaigns and haven't payed a dime on any official material.

>>84498677
>What kind of retard wastes his leisure time in stuff that isn't artful?
you, RIGHT NOW.

I played in a 12+ player worldbuilding game over 4 years and got to experience many other people's stories and settings develop in ways I never would have thought of on my own

>>84494357
>And I would post something I've created but I'd rather not since you'll just dogpile it and I'll never be able to share it on here again without you stalking me.
Then since you won't show it, we have no reason to believe you've created anything.

>>84496562
>Particularly when there are much easier paths toward far greater "fun"??
Why don't you just do crack or something?

>>84498677
You could be jacking off to Pollack right now, but instead you're crying into your neovagina about how your friends aren't professional actors.

Why do you waste your own time complaining about something only you have a problem with?

>>84502133
>bumping the thread at page 10 again
You're not that sly OP.

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>>84498677
>Pretending to be talented
No one plays these games because they seriously think it makes them good writers, actors, etc. One of the most common pieces of advice given for new GMs is "if you want to write a book, write a fucking book. That mentality is cancer for fun gameplay." You're the exact kind of retard this advice is aimed at, and instead of either changing your attitude or acknowledging that the hobby is simply not for you, you have to create an elaborate fantasy where everyone else is playing games "wrong" by having fun, while your "correct" way is a recipe for boredom and misery, by your own admission, and somehow you are too stupid to put two and two together there.

Still, I've gotta thank you for this thread; I have never seen a numale dilate so hard in a good, long while.

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>>84479413
>Muh talent
Already did that shit with 20's America and again in the cold war where we investigated Nazi UFOs and had a showdown in Antartica. Again OP, you just keep on tossing that word "talent" around, but you don't really seem to know what it means.

>>84498677
>You're not creative.
Dud you read the post you're replying to? Because you're definitely not addressing anything said in it.

>>84499040
Yeah, for like the fifteen seconds it takes to make a post. You guys water 2 to 8 hours on a session depending on whether or not you have jobs.

Talking in a funny accent and roleplaying a character is fun. Hitting monsters is fun. Playing with the situation or environment you're in is fun. It's >>84470892
>The effort to enjoyment ratio is lower than possibly any other common hobby.
This has more to do with flaking and other people issues than TRPGs
>You can say "a-at-at least it's free!" Yet a good number of you spend a hundred bucks a year on books and shit.
You really think $10 a month is an expensive hobby? Literally anything I can think of is more expensive than that.

>>84498677
>You're not creative. Name something you've produced that's been published or widely lauded on here?
LMAO not him but 4chan shits on everything that isn't porn, what a fucking godawful indicator for creativity.

>>84502551
What fo you mean "you guys"? Shouldn't that be "we"? Assuming you're OP, you said you have fifteen years in the hobby, so presumably you've spent a fair amount of your time on games as well. Now, the readon I spend my time on games because it's one of the most pleasant and entertaining ways to spend the 3-4 hours our sessions usually last.

>>84483494
I'm 50 btw lmao

>>84470892
I spend more on gas just going to the zoo/OMSI in a single month.

>>84502551
you've been at this for -hours-

>>84503449
That's fractions of a second in NEET time

>>84483494
I'm 19, started getting interested in table tops when I was 12.

>>84503471
>>84503449
Not everyone works a job with zero downtime. Sometimes I don't have time for much else between zoom meetings. Doesn't mean you should be wasting your actual blocks of free time on something you have no talent at.

>>84502706
>This has more to do with flaking and other people issues than TRPGs
No it doesnt, but nice projecting. I've never had any flakes. The thing is that at the end of the day 95 percent of the people who play ttrpgs are talentless even if they are consistent players so assembling a decent group which even THEN will be subpar, makes you wonder if "muh creative control" is worth missing out on the talent of so many brilliant movies out there.

>>84506967
Well, take it from the experience, young man this hobby sucks and you should quit while you're ahead.

>>84507550
not sure if autistic or bait
if you want to push the boundaries of your creative talent you should do it through a strictly individual outlet, of fucking course TTRPGs are not going to satisfy that

>>84507550
You should stop subjecting ppl to your shitty style of playing, then

>>84507729
Yeah sure bro, just go write a novel that will sit in the back of a bookstore for 9 years and maybe one person will read it and forget it 24 hours after they read it.

Let's face it, TTRPGs are the only way most people's "creativity" is ever going to reach an audience of other human beings.

>>84508574
Is that even a bad thing?

"Oh no, me and my friends are having fun writing our own little story, tailored to our collective interests. Woe is me, I'll never top Ovid."

>>84507550
Repeat: No one is so retarded they think ttrpgs require talent except for you. No one plays these things for "art," they play it for enjoyment, which requires 0 talent.

The rope beckons, anon.

>>84470531
Everything is pointless, that's why you should kill yourself asap.

>>84509396
Never said that. Only that roleplaying is pointless for 95 percent of the people that participate in it. You can still experience beauty and wonder through the media of film, writing, art, and theater and transcend the mundane cycles of your mind for a while

>>84470531
is this anon having a midlife crisis?

>>84510259
>>84510177
Nevermind just caught up with the thread. I thought OP was an older man realizing how his time was being wasted but I guess he's actually just underaged.

>>84470892
>Yet a good number of you spend a hundred bucks a year on books and shit
That's not even remotely a lot for this hobby, let alone less niche hobbies like shooting and cars

>>84507550
>Doesn't mean you should be wasting your actual blocks of free time on something you have no talent at.
Unless, of course, you find that something enjoyable and fulfilling.

>>84470531
Why don't you try getting a job?

>>84510177
What is your problem, dude? People enjoy making stuff up and playing with their friends, that's all there is to it. What, you think someone can't play ttrpgs and also read a novel? You've been running this thread for three days so I can't imagine this is a troll job.
Are you just having some weird midlife crisis and trying to get validation? Or are you really that pretentious?

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>>84510177
>Telling a story to your friends is pointless because tv exists and they could watch that instead
My god, your generation is fucked beyond belief.

>>84507550
>I'm not wasting time, I'm just wasting time
Why are you wasting time here instead of making art you fucking pussy?

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>>84511007
>le television is le evil because muh 3rd grade librarian said so!!
Did you miss the part where I mentioned books, faggots?

>>84512455
Nobody cares pussy, go write a book.

Look, faggot, if I'm playing Finn the Firbolg Fighter who formulates firstly in alliteration or rhyme, I'm looking to have fun, not be the next Aristophanes, go write a book or neck yourself.

I've never met a person who thinks like this, and this makes me morbidly curious at how he operates in real life.
Does he never cook food at home because it's not at a michelin restaurant? Never make jokes because it's not professional standup?
Even the worst normies I've had the displeasure of meeting aren't braindead enough to think mass appeal = good.

>>84514353
>Does he never cook food at home because it's not at a michelin restaurant?
No because that's outrageously expensive. Books are free at your local library. Also TTRPGs aren't cheaper than reading books or watching movies.

>>84514353
this whole thread is bait

>>84514923
I'm disappointed it reached 180 posts T B H

>>84514857
ah, so you're an IMPOVERISHED faggot.

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>>84470531
U pretty mad, dude

>>84514857
>Also TTRPGs aren't cheaper than reading books or watching movies
Not if you pirate them all.

>>84515366
based nigger

>>84512455
>zoomer that thinks reading books is edgy
You're not as special as you think you are.

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>>84514857
>Books are free at your local library
So are RPG books, at least in my city. Are you actually this insulated from reality?

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>>84510177
Roleplaying helps us "transcend the mundane cycles of our minds" (what an autistic way of describing escapism lmfao,) you're the problem here.

>>84470792
When my friends and I get togteher and we play the game, collectively, it elevates us all beyond ourselves.

You can't buy this experience (although many try so).