>>82588526
Did we ever establish Chapter master name? If not I say fuck subtlety and recommend "Chapter Master Bram Stoker.".

>>82588664
Yes, and we did fuck subtlety, Chapter Master Lugosi.

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82581250
>As for helmets and armor, anyone have suggestions besides the Bram Stoker's Dracula one?
Pointy helmets.

>>82588721
Oh nice. Them perhaps Brother Bram can serve as chief Librarian? To really go heavy on the literature references.

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There are three part 2 threads, but I think I'll stick to this one since there are already two other comments.

>>82588721
Don't forget that we call our chapter masters "Voivode", so it's Voivode Lugosi

also a resume

>Chapter was founded for Strategic Prognostication
>It was founded in the M38, Sentinel Founding
>They are successors of Blood Angels
>Their Geneseed is flawed
>They have lost their Catalepsean Node so they have to sleep in sensory deprivation stone coffins
>Their Chapter Demeanor is Swift as the Wind
>Their Chapter Flaw is We Stand Alone
>They abduct children as their recruitment method
>The figure of legend was a Chapter Master of another successor chapter who's geneseed would be used for them
>The Chapter Master led his people through many glorious campaigns, slaying hundreds of the enemies' greatest champions. In the end, he was brought down by a Hellsinger Daemon Prince and is a reminder to all Battle-Brothers of their holy duty.
>The chapter's homeworld is a Feudal Ice planet
>They maintain a distant rule of the planet Gelumors
>They are a divergent chapter
>Their combat doctrine is stealth
>Their training is Shatter the Foe, basically terror tactics
>The chapter has bestial companions, Bat-like creatures that grow from larvae and live in the icy caves of their planet used primarily for scouting, larger variants of these creatures may have different uses, some suspect that these creatures may have been influenced or even created by the Warp itself.
>The reverence of Sanguinius, a cult of immortality and the embracing of the red thirst and the black rage are central parts of their ideology
>The chapter is understrength, no cause stated yet, but isolation and constant attrition with xenos and chaos probably is the reason.


I'll post a resume for the Hellsingers and the Raiders of Blitz as well

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>>82581250
>>82588754
Pauldrons don't have chapter symbols, as of >>82576399 they've got functional rather than aesthetic value as handholds for being carried into battle by the chapter's giant bat monsters.

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>>>>82581250
This >>82526858 is the chapter symbol. Have it replacing the aquila on the chest since the shoulders are unavailable for decoration.

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>>82588779
I like it, even if it's a little to on the nose

>>82588803
>>82588754
our drawfag needs know this

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>>82588754
>>82581250
>As for helmets and armor, anyone have suggestions besides the Bram Stoker's Dracula one?
Exposed faces. Not bareheaded, but they've got open visors so they can rip and tear. Chainmail neck-guards.

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>>82588791
> Their enemy is The Hellsingers Daemon Prince
> The Hellsingers are a Slaanesh renegade warband
> They inhabit a warp rift close to the Sons of the Dragon planet
> their fall happened because they felt neglected and isolated from the rest of the Imperium (more development on who they were before the fall would be nice)
>Only the most proficient (or lucky) Hellsingers receive the attention of the God of excess
> Their blesses are Unsound Mind, the mind of the vessel of this blessing is so broken that the warp no longer affects them
> and Aesthetical Changes, the blessed have visible mutations besides the tentacles, the Hellsinger’s mouth will deform to become close to a lamprey’s mouth.
> They also abduct their recruits
> Their tactic is Lightning Strike
> their legendary figure is the Daemon Prince that is yet to be named, his great deed was to kill the original chapter master of the Sons of the Dragon
> No masters, Only Gods. The Hellsingers don’t have a actual leadership or structure

>>82588847
If to be lesson the nose there are always anagrams.

Ramb Kerots.

Fucking pain to anagram 4 letter names.
Mrab? Bmar? Shit.

>>82588891
>his great deed was to kill the original chapter master of the Sons of the Dragon
Kill or merely injure badly enough to require a dreadnought?

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>>82588891
>>82588791


>They are allied with a Planetary Defense Force of Blitz, the raiders of Blitz (Maybe we should arrange a name that fits better with the Dragons, but the idea behind it is good)
> They guard a desert pleasure world from Tau raids
>Mechanized Infantry, yes, with air conditioning
> They are mostly augmented with cybernetics
> Proficient in stealth
>basically Blitzkrieg specialists
>the Sons of the Dragon send recruits to help them
> Undisciplined
> loyalist
>Not well known
they need a lot of fleshing out

>>82588956
Let's have it be a real peoper kill. Chaos are big enough jobbers without tangible success in the official materials already

>>82588981
Proper, not peoper. Reeeeeeeeeeee

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>>82526564
>the PDF is pic related
>>82588959
>They are mostly augmented with cybernetics
Go full borderline tech-heresy.

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>>82588959
>>82589148
Life upon a Pleasure World breeds weaklings, unsuited for and unenthusiastic to experience the punishing conditions of life as Guardsmen. Fortunately for the Imperium and their homeworld's chances of not being chastised by the Inquisition, Magos Karloff has found a solution, making offers in exploitative situations.
>Show up to the grievously injured or merely elderly and offer a second chance.
>Volunteer to join the Guard and receive free prosthesis, both to cure your current ailments and to make you strong enough to offset the weaknesses of your Paradise-spawned life.
>Refuse and die, not by Commissar but by your own health.
The smart ones choose death.

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>>82588754
>>82588870

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average Son of the Dragon helping his PDF buddies fend of some Xenos Filth

>>82589148
yeah

>>82591144
I like the idea that we are a cheaper weaker, but less horrible version of a thallax. We still use basic bitch boy Lasguns and are armor is just super flak armor but we are stronger and are dicks and brains still work right most of the time still work!

>>82594081
nice

>>82588959
perhaps we can say they are essentially the equivalent of peasant levies recruited by local lords (we can call them voivods due to Romanian theme) that recieve little in the way of formal training but make up for it with being provided weapons and instructions

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>>82591144
>>Show up to the grievously injured or merely elderly and offer a second chance.
Could be the consorts, courtesans and flesh-traders who are deemed unfit for further service. A vacationing merchant takes a knife to the working girl he was chaperoning for the night, and she's given the choice to serve silently in the PDF or be left to bleed out. The madame of a mid-level bureaucrat gets replaced, and is told to join the guard or find her own way on the streets. They might also receive more cosmetic adjustments, as well as the heavy physical augmentation, to resemble some founding member/s of the pleasure world as a display of its vanity.

>>82589148
>>82591144
>>82594221
>>82595054
https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=7005

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>>82581250
>>82588754
>>82588847
>>82588870
>>82591680

>>82595054
When they need extra troops, they arrange extra serial killers.

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>>82589148
>>82591144
>>82594221
>>82595054
So what should we call our guys? The Reincarnate? Second Chancers? The Reborn?

>>82595920
O'Siren Seconders, Phonixian Chromeborn, Mirrormen. Could pull on some Christian mythos with the resurrection around Easter / Pascha. Pashan Sons, Risen of the Eastern Star, something along those lines. Just throwing out ideas.

>>82588526

So are they Night Lords x Blood Angels in terms of their geneseed?
Also, how does this chapter treat mortals, especially mortals that do not serve their chapter?

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>>82591144
>>82594221
>>82595054
So skitarii, but with a sort of per-islamic middle east/romani heavily ornate aesthetics to their robes rather than simple red with white cogstooth trim and instead of gasmasks, polished metal deathmasks of their original biological faces?

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>>82595920
>Stalker Fang
>>82598015
>instead of gasmasks, polished metal deathmasks of their original biological faces
Make bronze instead of steel and call them the Copperheads.

>>82597298
>Also, how does this chapter treat mortals, especially mortals that do not serve their chapter?
Those who haven't succumbed to the Black Rage and Red Thirst try to be friendly toward loyalists whenever possible since it demonstrates they're still sane, to themselves if nobody else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_SA7ojfsQ
Those who have succumbed see them as ambulatory snacks, Horus or possibly both.

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>>82594649
good idea but the chapter master is already called Voivode.

>>82597298
Like actual peasants, yes they have the duty of protecting them, but that doesnt mean they have to treat them well. On the other hand, they treat their allies better, they still keep a lot of secrets from them, but it's better than nothing. And by allies I mean important governors and generals of Gelumors and the pleasure world, friends in the Inquisition (if they have any) etc.

>>82598015
I like the kinda Islamic mix with romani aesthetics, but the Maccabian Janissaries already use death masks, so that would be kinda unoriginal.

>>82598038
Copperheads sounds like a jocose nickname other guard regiment would give them desu

>>82595920
>>82596085
In Islamic culture Akhirah is the term for afterlife, so maybe we can name them after something that sounds similar.

>>82588959
Since we are changing their name we need to change the name of their planet as well

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>>82598170
Honestly I was thinking their armor would look like a less bulking version of institute powe armor.

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>>82598224
Something like the solar auxilia? There are some STL's online of models that look similar to it, so it's feasible on tabletop

>>82598170
Their propaganda treats what happens to them as heroic resurrection, they disagree and find it horrible but have no recompense. Basically they're american-themed Guardsmen.
>Great technology which they can spam in essentially unlimited amounts.
>But justifiably terrible morale since they're treated as disposable cannon fodder fighting a foreign empire's battles.
>And they get recruited by debt-trap.

>>82588791
>Their training is Shatter the Foe, basically terror tactics
I don’t think shatter the foe is just terror tactics. It’s more decisive, overwhelming first strikes like the US military prefers to use in conventional war.
Ironically they aren’t night lords, they are more like Dark Angels in that regard. Nuke happy vampires.

>>82588944
Marb Kestor?

>>82598252
>>82598224
Maybe the nobles who run the pleasure world are big fans of the solar auxilia and want to make their troops look something like them.

>>82598982
Also, the troops are regarded as undisciplined.
Handing out mission overrides into their brains with a few free augmentation on enlistment probably goes a long way.
When they absolutely have to get something done, they through the Thallax brains-in-jar/robocop troops.

>>82586343
>>82587417
>for some reason hearing these names being said in the voice of Warlock from Dota 2
>gey-le-Moars
>Prue-Ena-muh-or-dare-rey

>>82597298
Supposedly they are pure-pure blood angels.
Is there a geneseed purity roll?

>>82601348
It was flawed, they lost the zygote that allowed marines to function on minimum amounts of sleep

>>82602881
I thought that was a mutation roll?
The flaw roll resulted in
>We Stand Alone

>>82601348
that was something I proposed as not being confirmed, but suspected, just to add a little more intrigue

>>82526356
>>82526371
>feudal world
so imperial knights???

Is there anything left to add to these guys?

>>82606070
probably not unless somebody wants to do story time

>>82606070
I think we don't know much about their planet and their system, the PDF has only a temporary name from what I understand. But I was planning to start writing something for them.

>>82606070
What >>82606705 and we could roll for the Tau(PDF's enemies) if we wanted to but I think that might be redundant.

>>82606297
I had two ideas I’ve been mulling over.
Here >>82584946 >>82585439
Basically:
>Sons of the Dragon, how to train your terrorgheist
And
>sons of the dragon, discovering you’re Primaris CAN be embraced by the Black rage (& how the chapter learned to love redemptor dreadnoughts)
Also been thinking about how they may “converse” with their blood. Or converse with their genesire/ancestors/the dark Angel through their it at least.
Also an idea here >>82584151 about how the chapter might control their black raging brothers through the use of the tombs: they may be given to them from as soon as they are abducted, before they are even born as space marines. This long and pervasive history between the chapter and their personal tombs may be to allow the chapters priests/chaplains or some such the ability to control them via suggestion and compulsion back to their tombs after battle.
Idk though, if people are ok with idea of them being hypno indoctrinated that way and it working somewhat even in the throes of the black rage (though it would be latest somewhat explained by them being indoctrinated, and physically remade as exanguinators do >>82580795)

>>82607745
perhaps you can also say their tomb has some sort of pyschic material in it that allows for the chapters librarians to at the very least allow the chaplins some limited measure of control to those that succumb to the black rage

>>82606070
What's their professional relationship with the PDF? Do they see them as wayward children to be patronized and protected, or as stalwart allies whose tenacity can teach the Sons some humility?

>>82608082
I imagine due to their reclusiveness they view as useful. More so than other PDFs or Guard Regiments that they've worked with. They have a low opinion of mortals and see them as children that bicker amongst themselves. The PDF they just tolerate the most.

>>82607832
I’d imagine gene seed is psychically active material, not to mention the blood angels all being latent pykers, I was planning on the tombs being lined with the blood of the death company, the amniotic fluid in the exsanguinators/tombs also being blood from the death company…
Pretty much the most valuable resource I was going to allude to for this chapter would be their own blood, especially the blood of the oldest marines/surviving death company.
A lot of their spirit journeys / hypno music in dreams while entombed all being for the purpose of actually drawing out the life of a marine once he’s consumed by the black rage, completely opposed to the doctrines of the other blood Angel chapters in that regard.
They would imagine there to be a hidden epiphany hidden in the blood of those embraced by the black rage, and lying at the end of the black rage in death, and behind the black rage of those who have mastered.
They aren’t entirely wrong, at least in the regard that overcoming the black rage seems to have turned mephiston into a Super Blood Angel 4.
It’s just not really working in the way they would hope yet, even if they aren’t at all discouraged and are instead only encouraged by each advance in their pursuits, real or imagined.

>>82608505
>hypno music to achieve perfection
Is Slaanesh eyeing these marines?

>>82607745
>Also been thinking about how they may “converse” with their blood. Or converse with their genesire/ancestors/the dark Angel through their it at least.
I like this

>>82608082
I think they view them as useful assets behind their backs, but as honorable allies in front of them. And of course they act like that to any allies they might have.

>>82610187
There is a Slaanesh warband obsessed with them, so maybe

>>82598015
Give them the robes from >>82595054. All exposed flesh (which basically just means hands and eyes) is mechanical.

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>>82595054
>>82611713

>>82610187
Achieve perfection “OF THE BLUD” no less, or least mastering and understanding their dead primarchs messages he send through it, using “gene seed” memory and voodoo like divination using their own bodies as the fetish, and red thirst filled dreams as the psyche/body killing “substance” they would imbibe to enter their spirit walking journeys from their tomb. Short riffed poem romancing about the process:
>Boiling sleep
>voidlocked stench
>Neath infinity, our corpse lies dead
>Call my name, Through the cream
>And I'll hear you scream again
>dark wing Angel, won’t you come
>and wash away the rain
Was kind of thinking, like how the grey knights form a gestalt to hunt demons, or the emperor is a gestalt entity made on himself, maybe in their dreams, they form a gestalt creature who is, again, using their blood as a portal/medium to explore totally not! The warp for purposes of finding the source of black rage and the message/meaning it holds, of which they believe is their Primarichs doing, so in effect they are looking for sanguinius’ soul in the warp, or at least wherever the “physical” location in the immaterium (a bit silly, I know) that he needs them to discover in the black rage, and the waking messages it provides them they are blind and deaf too.
Essentially, these guys have givin up on reality outside of their duty as marines: war, and are spending their entire existence as a chapter outside delving into the perceived “final gift” of sanguinius to his sons, & any potential the blood angels at large are obviously squandering by not letting it embrace them and mastering it properly as, they believe, he would have wanted them too.

>>82610187
Probably, though really, it's a sucker bet as to which chaos god they'll end up falling to. Khorne because blood and undirected violence, Slaanesh because elaborate brainwashing schemes, Tzeentch because of all these >>82611864 occult shenanigans and Nurgle because of the slow mental corruption from the Emperor's angels of death to mindless murder machines. Really, the only reason they're still loyalist at all is the Chaotic custody battle.

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>Chaptermaster Lugosi ambushing heretics from above

>>82613197
Dracula doesn't need jetpack, he can turn into a swarm of bats to reach high places. In fact it could be detrimental to have one, imagine if he turned into a swarm of bats with the jetpack going, it would shred some of them and he turns back missing half a leg or something.

>>82613259
It's a Reddit joke, don't give it the credence it deserves.

>>82613271
In his defense that was my immediate autistic take as well
>don’t these twittertards know Dracula can already fly? If you’re going to give him a modern appliance at least let it be something cool like a gun or remote control with life hax.

>>82611794
You know this is making me think that the planet is made up of mechanicum fetishists

Kind of cringe but I couldn’t stop thinking of this song in regards to this chapter, so I rewrote the lyrics as a chant they might recite:

>in this his, the emperors eyes
>poors weepings blood
>screaming words whose wisdom is lost
>Hides the face of the primarch
>beneath Lies, rests his sons
>from the sun hidden, in their disgrace
>Boiling sleep
>voidlocked stench
>Neath infinity, our corpse lies dead
>Call my name, Through the cream
>And I’ll hear you scream again!
>darkwinged angel, won’t you come
>and wash away this rain
>dark wing angel
>mirror of sanguinius
>would you wash away this stifling haze?
>primarchs rage
>Won't you come
>Won't you come
>Won't you come
>haltering
>submerged with wet
>Steal the warmth of brothers long dead
>tired sons
>Times are gone
>For honest men
>and Sometimes, far too long for snakes
>In our tombs
>Walking sleep
>In our youth, This prayer we keep
>angel send
>Hell away
>No one sings like you anymore
>primarchs rage
>Won't you come
>And wash away the rain?
>dark wing angel
>Won't you come
>Won't you come
>dark wing angel
>won’t you come?
>Hang our corpses
>Drown our fear
>Till all your mysteries just disappear
>primarchs rage
>Won't you come
>And wash away this rain?
>primarchs rage
>Won't you come
>Won't you come

>>82613515
>it’s a pleasure world, for toaster fuckers
By the emperor…

>>82612155
Maybe it’s a daemon prince of chaos undivided that’s harriering them.
Could be a friend of Erebus, trying to finish what he started in getting the blood angels to fall.
That way it covers al the angles, and even get the
>all I ever wanted was the truth
Word Bearer influence in what with this vampire chapter trying to use become enlightened in regards to & through their twin curses.

>>82613696
The noblemen of this world is fairly conservative and their fetishes don't go beyond wanting to fuck cog women. Anyone trying to go outside this point is banned outright.

The PDF maybe is usually lead by the various noblemen's favorite "Lovers" making them a rather haughty and undisciplined force leading a bunch of indentured peasants.

>>82613683
pretty nice

>>82615194
So the PDF is led by the noblemen concubines?

>>82613683
nice and not cringe

>>82616887
Chris Cornell forgive me! Thanks though.

>>82591144
>pleasure world
>the fetish is thallax girls
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

>>82615194
>>82616594
>>82619534
So the PDF is nothing but a army of cybeborg women?

>>82619534
>>82616594
>>82615194
please don't