Who are some good 19th century characters for a Victorian game besides Dracula and Sherlock Holmes?
>>82484797Beatrice Rappaccini (Rappaccini's Daughter), Griffin (The Invisible Man), Beast Folk (The Island of Doctor Moreau)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
>>82484827Oh yeah, and Jekyll and Hyde, obviously
>>82484827And Spring-heeled Jack as well.
>>82484797Renowned racist Charles Darwin
Does Typhoid Mary count?
Depending on when during the Victorian era, you could use Flashman, Allan Quatermain, C. Auguste Dupin, and older versions of any of the Napoleonic/Age of Sail characters (Sharpe, Hornblower, Aubrey/Maturin).
>>82484797Bill the Butcher
>>82484797The ubiquitous African big game hunter dude.Jack the Ripper
>>82484855The only hero suggested so far is Sherlock Holmes. Who can he team up with to defeat the villains?
>>82484797Its not a single character but the suspenders wearing fat cat industrialist comes to mind.
>>82484797Jack the RipperMary I of EnglandA barghestTarzan, if we're stretching things.
>>82484940What do you mean? We all know Bill the Butcher was the true hero of GONY
>>82484797? ? ?Good in what sense?And how your question even relates with traditional games?
>>82484948Tarzan, as well as John Carter/Dejah Thoris.
Carmilla, the original yuripire.
Wandering engineer from far East with construction skills bordering on supernatural.
>>82484964iirc Tarzan's family were marooned in 1888, Tarzan is born in 1889 as John Clayton the Second. Victorian Era ends in January 1901, meaning Tarzan isn't even a teen.
>>82484996>wildboy shota captured and brought back to Victorian England for study and possible correction.I'll take it.
>>82484996My bad, I havent read any Tarzan since I was a kid. I misremembered the Tarzan stories as being roughly of the same time period as the Mars stories rather than 20-40 years later.
>>82485040What are they gonna do, teach him to like literature and embroidery?
Robust foul-mouthed Scottish highlander, with a bit of a drinking problem and some unexpected connections in high society.
>>82484797Luddite.Romantic poet.Coal miner.Perfectly reasonable doctor.Italian.
>>82485042you are correct in that they take place partially during the late Victorian Era, as parts of Tarzan's childhood after being taken in by his father's killer, Kerchak, are elaborated upon. it easy enough to adapt the "wild man" for the needs of this thread and honestly >>82485040keeping said wild man a wild child would be a nice nod to Tarzan's canonical timeline.also consider: an aging Paul Bunyan, a long way from home.>>82485045
The Time TravelerCaptain NemoHank MorganArsene Lupin
>>82484864Kek. I think you could photoshop that with gigachad.
>>82484827>BeastmenIt's interesting that the original book Moreau just surgically screwed with the animals to make them walk upright then trained them to act human. So that cheetah man is just a cheetah that is having the worst life possible.
>>82484797Jonathon Joestar, the gentleman magic sunlight martial art warrior.
>>82485364Cheetahs don't prosper
>>82484797Jack Sheppard, dude was a real life Lupin III all the way up to fighting more violent and evil criminals.
Enterprising Tycoon, his special powers are various gadgets and near infinite supply of expendable orphans.
>>82484993It's the power of not knowing completely what you are doing and not having laws to keep you from doing it!
>>82485045I mean, he would learn that from Jane anyway.
>>82484797A Veteran Soldier of one of Britain's numerous Colonial Conflicts, like the Opium Wars, Anglo-Zulu War or (if you want it really late Victorian) the Boxer Rebellion, that is still haunted by the things he did and the sights he's seen during his service, and is not quite accustomed to civilian life yet, but was roped into the party due to circumstances out of his control.You can only see a Chinese warrior torn to shreds by grapeshot, a Zulu Impi still furiously charging at your line after riddled with bullets, or another British soldier, like yourself, screaming for his mother, a javelin in his gut, so many times before your psyche starts to show cracks, and this man has seen some shit.
Alan QuartermaineTom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, and Nigger JimVictor FrankensteinDr. Miguelito Quixote Loveless>>82484940I want to say Arsene Lupin as the characters have met but the Lupin books are early 1900s
Ahab and other members of Pequod
A great set piece would be the giant Canon from Jules Verne's From the Earth to the Moon.You can also have a time travelling Connecticut Yankee back from King Arthur's Court.
>>82484797Lestrade. Can become a valuable ally to the party, an obstructive force, or a determined pursuer depending on how they go about things. Also depending on how the police force is armed, he can be quite dangerous.
>>82485114>an aging Paul Bunyan, a long way from homeso sad. why would you make paul, a genuine hero of american gigantism, spend his golden years with a bunch of bongs
>>82488781because the man wanted to sail the Atlantic, so he is. he doesn't have to spend years in Britain, let alone the rest of his days.
The Kid from Blood Meridien
>>82490009Professor Frankenstein is 10x better than his monster as a character.
>>82490186The guy too, but what's much more fun is if his notes get copied and he starts a new industrial revolution using corpses of varying condition and intelligence as labor. The communists and anarchists could get a head start by digging up graves to make their ideal new men, capitalists can have a new labor force that doesn't form unions, and that's without even considering what might happen if some smarter ones decide to go their own way.
>>82486305Why are anglos are so unfathomably pathetic
>>82484797Change things up and instead of Sherlock throw in some of the lesser know detectives, like Max Carrados, the blind detective; Dr. Thorndike, medic and lawyer; Carnacky, occult detective; Prof Van Dusen, the thinking machine; Father Brown, the crime solving priest; or Sexton Blake, action detective.
>>82490475>the dominate cultural, economic, military, political, spiritual, and scientific force in the world for three hundred yearsthey seem to be doing extraordinarily well. brown migrant memes aside.
>>82484797Doyle's other main character, Professor Challenger, a scientific genius, looks like a monkey man, about as strong as a gorillla too.For real people, sir Richard Francis Burtonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Francis_BurtonSoldier, explorer, diplomat, master swordsman, liguist, and writer.
>>82484797The Wolfman of London (who may or may not be American)Mad Scientists like Edison and TeslaBoxers from the Boxer Rebellion (who thought Kung-Fu made them bulletproof and tried to kill every white person in China)Correspondingly some sort of Fu Manchu character who is threatening to *gasp* rally all the asians together to kick out all the white colonists. Also possibly Cixi the Empress Dowager, though she rarely held meetings in person (usually speaking to people behind a curtain in the throne room)Shaka ZuluAbraham LincolnMembers of the KKK who think the South will Rise AgainCommunist RevolutionariesNationalist RevolutionariesAnarchists (who assassinated a number of world leaders during the 1800's)Luddites (though actual Luddites were far and few, and Thomas Ludd's 'rebellion' only consisted of a couple dozen guys)>>82484864Darwin never invented Social Darwinism. That was idiot racists who didn't understand evolution.
>>82484797>besides Draculasome famous vampires that could be usedCountess Mircalla Karnstein (aka Carmilla)Lord RuthvenCountess Dolingen of GratzAugustus Darvell
As an NPC: Count Eric Stanislaus Stenbock, "a Baltic Swedish poet and writer of macabre fantastic fiction. [ . . . . ]In Oxford, Stenbock also converted to Roman Catholicism taking for himself the name Stanislaus. Some years later Eric also admitted to having tried a different religion every week in Oxford. At the end of his life, he seemed to have developed a syncretist religion containing elements of Catholicism, Buddhism and idolatry. [ . . . . ]Stenbock behaved eccentrically. He kept snakes, lizards, salamanders and toads in his room, and had a "zoo" in his garden containing a reindeer, a fox, and a bear. When he traveled, he invariably brought with him a dog, a monkey, and a life-sized doll. This doll he referred to as "le Petit Comte" ("the little Count") and told everyone that it was his son; he insisted it be brought to him daily, and—when it was absent—he asked about its health. (Stenbock's family believed an unscrupulous Jesuit had been given large amounts of money by the Count for the "education" of this doll.)"
>>82484797Johnny apple sneed.
>>82491102Darwin wasn't racist? Im pretty sure he was pro eugenicist and said that other things where inheritable like morality and mental traits and should be promoted.I mean. he wasnt "Kill all brownpeople" meme racist, but he most surely was in a more nuanced way.
>>82491831"sterilize convicted criminals and the genetically deficient" is pretty far from "kill everyone darker than milk"
Look at some Victorian-era fiction crossovers: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or The Bookman by Lavie Tidhar. Also:https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/2019/09/book-notes-english-eccentrics-edith.html
>>82484797Vlad is far from 19th century
>>82488781>>82488802Why not use Bulltop Stormalong instead of Paul Bunyan?
>>82492398No reason you can't use both.
>>82492128Vlad Tepes ruler of Wallachia is, but Dracula bloodsucking demon of the night isn't
>>82485305Arsene Lupin and Akechi Kogorō
>>82491831>Darwin wasn't racist?Context is king. He was not particularly racist given the era he lived in.
>>82492670Bram Stoker said they are different, it even says it in the book iirc
>>82484797Let's break a bit with the anglocentrism, shall we? Consider:Ilya Ilyich OblomovAnna KareninaCount VronskyRodion RaskolnikovAlyona IvanovnaAkaky AkakievichKhlestakov & The Mayor (The Government Inspector)Julien SorelMarquis de la MoleMathilde de la MoleFather Goriot Eugène de RastignacJacquea Collin aka VautrinDelphine GoriotMadame BovaryCharles BovaryMonsieur HomaisLéon Dupuis
>>82493863>VICTORIAN ERA>L-let's break a bit with the a-a-anglocentrism guys>I-it's r-r-really problematic and not inclusive>yikes sweaty greasy #punch_a_nazi
>>82484797They're a little later, but Monsieur Zenith and Fu Man Chu could work as villains.
>>82491914Thats what I said. And I dont think a racist necessarily has to be inherently genocidal to be so. Its distinguishing between racial groups in an antagonistic or preferential way.And he was pretty blunt about the merits of different peoples in general. For example the >mental faculties and moral propriety of these people are ____And I think its a little suspect to not exactly see the connection between eugenics and racism.>>82493328He literally was a founding figure of eugenics.And I am not saying eugenics is necessary a bad or good thing.>>82491102>Social darwinism. Do you have your terms mixed up? Isnt that different from racism? isnt that the statement that people in society function along a darwinian line of reproductive success? Like, it would apply to groups that are the same race as well. Isnt it more randian/libertarian?
>>82494602Spencer was the founder of eugenics
>>82492168TWoT and Barsoomian. Though Tripods are objectively cooler so you should use them more.
>>82495395Maybe proper, but Darwin was very much for stimulating the the propagation of desirable traits. I said founding figure, not founder. The fields are kinda linked at the hip and not mutually exclusive in the least. He kinda has a book about it. “The Descent of Man”
>>82495499>Darwin was very much for stimulating the the propagation of desirable traitsSo are rational healthy people. Only morons conflate aborting retarded or otherwise defective fetuses with racism.
>>82495402Just mix them.
>>82493863>frogs and some letter salad namesWho cares?
>>82493988You're right, I forgot that everywhere further east than poland sprung out of the aether in the 1920s and didn't experience linear time during the late 1800s
>>82496053If none of those name ring a bell, your educational system has failed you. I remember all of these from high school and I'm not from the native countries of those writers.
>>82496244To be fair, the Victorian period is historically relegated to Great Britain and possible the colonies, since it deals with the monarch of those regions. A more general term would be 19th century or industrial revolution.
>>82496280The timeline of "H""R""E" to Austria-Hungary isn't particularly interesting.
>>82496257or they taught him worthwhile skills like woodworking mathematics and physics instead of wasting his time with knitting and trashy foreign penny novels.
>>82496280You're right anon, I'll make a Bidermeier or Belle Époque thread later and god help me if you post anything but germanophone content from the 1830s or Francophone content from the 1900s in them.
>>82496578It'd be within your right to, yeah. Terminology exists for a reason.
>>82496566I took Latin, Chemistry and Geography and then went on to study Geology if you must know. Didn't stop me from getting an education in world literature.
>>82496621No one asked, you pretentious little monkey.
>>82496635>hey you could check out these non-english literary classics too>who ever heard of this bullshit lmao>this is literally stuff you should've encountered during your education>yes maybe if you're a sissy social studies nerd, us based red blooded STEMchads have no need for that>actually I'm in stem too>you're a fagAh sorry I'm sleep deprived and I forgot this is 4chan so trying to engage in actual discussion is stupid. Should've just called you a fag from the get go and be done w it.
man, imaging getting mad no one cares about your shitty writers in a thread they're not even relevant to.how embarrassing would it be, to be so frail.
>>82484797Cowboys. The archetypical Old West was between 1865 and 1890, and a cowboy appears in Dracula.
>>82495908eugenics was a bit more than that anon.IDK if you are getting the nuance of this.
>>82484797The Count of Monte Cristo as an old man would make a based as fuck quest giver or antagonist for a Victorian game.Given his impossibly vast fortune and wide array of connections throughout the criminal underworld and political elite of Europe, he'd have ended up being like a sort of George Soros like figure in the 1860s.
>>82497891But didn't the book end with Dantes living happily ever after with his slave girl waifu after successfully taking revenge against all the people who had framed him? What would get him back into scheming?
>>82497891The latter parts of The Count of Monte Cristo take place in the early Victorian Age, the novel ending in 1839.
>>82497965Edmund Dantes is 43 at the end of the book while Haydee is 21, so depending one when you set the game the Count of Monte Cristo your players are dealing with could actually be the Countess in disguise.
Y'all are going back too far in literature and real world history. Chon Wang because Comic Kung Fu in London.
A young Charlie Chaplin
>>82492168The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.
>>82492449>>82492398There's a really good way to mix folkloric and real Americans with Buffalo Bill's Wild West Showhttps://www.historynet.com/encounter-buffalo-bill-at-queen-victorias-command.htm>IN THE SPRING of 1887, Buffalo Bill Cody sailed from New York to England with his entire “Wild West” show—cowboys, sharpshooters, musicians and 97 American Indians, plus 180 horses, 18 buffalo, 10 elk, 10 mules, 5 Texas steers and the old Deadwood stagecoach