This is a crowd sourced endeavor to create a setting and rpg.What was produced is pic related, the setting of LEVIATHAN, the World of Sacred Oil and Broken Stone. The purpose of this thread is to organize to continue filling out the Lore Document, congregate for map making, and for developing an RPG system for this setting.The story of the world is emergent, being developed as we discuss and explore concepts in the setting. But at its core Leviathan is a world in the grips of change, caught between progress as the industrial revolution marches onward and primordial powers of the gods beneath and the monolith. Leviathan tells the story of a world in flux and those who can make use of such a world to exact great change. Leviathan has you take on the role of those cast out by more organized society, disgraced professors, discharged marines, nomadic tribesmen, wandering pilgrims, and more as they navigate the conflicts of Lapsaria. The core world conflicts in the modern day are:>The rebellion at Capri Bay, a uprising among the military over the terms of the mysterious Bargain between the Lapsarian royalty and the Gods Beneath.>The Durite Campaign, a push by the Lapsarian military to take control of the vast and rich Durite Steppe on their eastern border.>The Worker's Revolt, a constant ebb and flow of sentiment between the tycoons of the industrial world and those workers organizing for their rights and liberty.Lore Dump Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjU2GkiDq5tJ8Ih9A9LxyHhC3cvmQANYG579UDgxuOM/edit?usp=sharingRPG System: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kV4IkD7O2qFX6C0YYZQ78SBqpcJv07uy72ow-Mcvt3g/edit?usp=sharingLast thread: >>82279888Ongoing Discussions:>Population density & life in Ververia>Do other gods exist beneath the waves?>Organization of the lore documentThread Theme: https://youtu.be/NIH_xns0fcw
First part of my agricultural write up:>First, Aquaculture; the use of seawater to farm various crops of “seaweed”, or as it is more scientifically known “macroalgae”. This can be further distinguished between two different methods – tidal aquaculture and deep aquaculture. >Tidal aquaculture is historically somewhat new, and was pioneered roughly 500 years by Freeskalan farmers in the Letche ago after the development of the Creeping Kelp – of which you are no doubt familiar with its dried and pickled forms that are easily found in any local marketplace. A key feature of the Creeping Kelp is its high tolerance for heat and exposure to the sun, along with its unique ability to continue to grow even out of water. Tidal aquaculture itself consists of the digging of simple canals in sandy tidal flats, shoring up the walls of which with either wood or metal brackets. Seedlings are planted during low tide, and strung together with thread or fishing line – which usually contains a tag denoting which farmer or corporation the seaweed bed belongs to. Work continues at low tide in the following months, removing various pest organisms and replanting sea anemones to more desirable locations. The predatory nature of the anemones is often not recognized by the farmers themselves – who merely consider them “pretty” or “lucky” flowers of the sea, developing great gardens at the openings of their canals and more recently at regular intervals along the canal. Even in ignorance, however, traditional farming methods must be respected here, and the anemones do great work as watchdogs for the kelp. Key regions of tidal agricultural production include Vaparo and its neighboring villages along the Anwald coastline, the Grey river delta, the Sedge wetlands, and the tidal marshes of Sardee Bay. Attempts at similar methods have been made in Jasendorf, but the coastline there is too rocky for it to be anything more than an experiment.
>>82297108>Deep Aquaculture is somewhat of a misnomer, the depths at which this method operates under are still shallow compared to the sheer depths at which the ocean can reach. Instead, this refers to non-tidal agriculture; which consists of a wide variety of shallow dwelling corals, sponges, kelps, and seaweeds – including one variety of floating seaweed. While Lapsaria is no stranger to coastal farming, its waters tend to be too deep and cold to foster the right kind of microalgae for maximum exploitation. Instead, the richest waters for shallow kelp harvesting are found in the Sunset Isles – where towering forests of kelp are long and thick enough to ensure sailing ships in their verdant clutches. As the kelp species prefers a rocky foothold, the natives of the Sunset Isles have established a curious method of crop rotation with respect to what should be a competitor for space – the much admired Coral of the region. Following large scale harvesting of a crop of Coral, the hard bleached remains of the reef are gone over by farmers with fresh kelp seedlings, creating a vast garden in a matter of weeks. Trained sea otters patrol their master’s orchard, devouring vile urchins and blasphemous starfish that would seek to decimate the harvest. In a matter of months, the kelp is ready to be gathered, dried, and sold at market.
>>82290490The Hermit Crab Philosopher>sleeps in a shell in the marketplace>shuns wealth and prestige>his fame will outlast most sultans>mimics and mocks the ways of crab
>>82297203>Second, freshwater agriculture; the perhaps oldest and much depreciated method of controlled food production known to mankind. Throughout the world, brush clearing and vast irrigation canals have all but exhausted the possibilities for harvesting the wide variety of crops found along the fertile regions of the Vast. In Lapsaria, these crops include – millet, winter wheat, flax, potato, and apples – but in other regions include exotic plants such as maize, Kyugoryu rice, squash, pumpkin, potatoes, the tomato, peppers, and the papaya; as well as certain varieties of edible desert cactus. Out of all of these, it is Kyugoryu rice that is the most intriguing; as its production involves the creation of freshwater “rice paddies”, large shallow pools which the cattail-like rice plant requires to thrive in. As water intensive as it is, pound for pound the rice grain is far more nutritious than competitor grain species; and it is perhaps this high energy food that fuels the fires of Kyugoryu’s mysterious and perhaps one day rival culture. Rice seedlings have been smuggled successfully across the stormy southern cape, and even now experimentation is ongoing to bring to bear the full might of Lapsaria’s rivers to feed the first rice farms on the western coast. Regions with less access to water have had to sadly deal with the ever present threat of dust storms stealing away topsoil and leaving farms in ruin, an ever present danger in regions farmed across the Durite Steppes.Dunno how to feel about this one, personally.
>>82297473Added a brief line:>But the unfortunate reality most land based agriculture has to face is not something we as Lapsarians have given up on correcting. Testing is underway in the use of a new kind of horseless carriage, known as a “tractor”, and through it we may see the rapid industrialization of agriculture as a whole – although this will perhaps have dire consequences in and of itself as agricultural laborers are forced out of the fields and into the factories, creating a new form of social disorder for which there may be no remedy. Even so, if the choice is between starvation and diaspora, we would all surely choose diaspora. Again, don't know how to feel about it. It's a very mundane part of the setting.
>>82297530Call tractors yakless plows instead.
>>82297656You mean duriteless plows lmao
>>82297686Yak. Durite. Same same.
>>82297686>>82297693>Implying filthy durites can do the same jobs as the majestic yaks.
>>82297530>>82297473>Third, Livestock; the varied and sometimes bizarre usage of domesticated animals for food and raw materials. Any schoolboy could easily recognize the sight of the common chicken, a noble Geladen aurochs, the still untamed Kossaki zubr, the majestic Yak of the Durite Steppe, or the demure Trag sheep; but few would be so easily familiar with the Freeskalon dugong or the Sunset Isles long necked turtle. A vast array of animal life supports human civilization, most of which just as dependent on access to large quantities of freshwater as plant-based agriculture. There are a few exceptions, however. The Sligaff Camel, able to survive weeks or even months without the smallest drop of water, is a vital element in surviving in the deep Vast – acting as not just a pack animal, but a source of meat and milk as well. The Southern Elephant is another drought hardy animal, although only its smaller island-dwelling cousin in the Sunset Isles is fully tamed. Further to the east, across the vast, the Kyugoryu raise their own sort of cattle alongside a domesticated boar as well as giant edible worms known as “olgoi-khorkhoi”. Little is known exactly about other animals they raise, but the unsurprised expressions of their emissaries when reviewing Lapsarian farms tells us there is far greater cross-pollination of livestock than might be initially realized.>Overall, food production is a vital part of any civilized people, and as contact between the western mainland, the various islands, and the distant east increasing; so too shall our kitchens expand their selection of fruits, meats, and vegetables.To be honest this isn't as good as I would have liked it to be, and if anyone wants to expand it or change it around, that's fine.
>>82297656One of the big things for when tractors are invented it pushes tons of agricultural laborers to cities. So suddenly impoverished demographics that did not own land flood cities.
>>82297046>life in VerveriaLife for the Marshfolk living along the rivers, marsh, and wetlands of Ververia hasn't changed much since the days of their ancestors. The Marshfolk still live in their stilt houses and ply the waters in shallow-draft boats and canoes, farm semiaquatic crops like rice, hunt and trap animals like beavers and muskrats, catch fish, and crawfish, shrimp, and oyster, eel and turtle, lobster and scallop and the famous giant Ververian crab. In the towns and cities, merchants trade the bounty of lowlands for the bounty of the highlands, the craftsmen work not only on the everyday items of life, but also on the famous ornately carved and decorated flintlock rifles and pistols that are used by the Ververian's and prized around the world, as well as the traditional siege weaponry who's quality is said to be surpassed only by the Venitii. Milliners work hide into the Venitii-style hats Marshfolk prefer to wear, weavers created the light, but full body clothing that the Marshfolk wear to protect against mosquitos and the sun, and the Dyers dye the clothing to anything from the shades and colors of the lowlands to the bright colors and designs favored by the Clannsmen.Though the mixed religion of the Ververian's has become dominant in Ververia, the traditional ways of the Marshfolk remain legally accepted and respected in Ververia, even as more and more Marshfolk more away from the old ways. Marshfolk religion has several similarities to Venitii worship, but is significantly more localized. Marshfolk will venerate and offer sacrifices and worship to the body of water they live on, be it river, sea, lake, or marsh. Though these practices can be localized to a single village, it is more common for several villages in the area to venerate the same body of water. These villages would usually be on friendly terms with each other, and would form a greater community, but this wouldn't be a political connection, but rather a social and religious one.
>>82299305It was these semi-connected communities that the Conqueror unified into the well defined Razryad during the firsts days of Ververia. Many of those communities remain extant in lowlands and swamps to this day, and form the core of the current Marshfolk culture. Perhaps as a consequence of this, life of your average Marshfolk is much more localized than the semi-nomadic Clannsmen or the more cosmopolitan Ververians. It is quite common for Marshfolk never to have left their Razryad unless in military service. With that being said, life in the lowlands is undeniably the most peaceful in Ververia, with no concern being given for Suuri raids, Lapsarian skirmishes, or Venitii shenanigans. As a result of this, there is a stereotype of Marshfolk being simple, unconcerned with anything outside of their lowlands and only marginally part of Ververia, a claim they will angrily dispute, as Marshfolk take great pride in their connection to the Conqueror and to the state they live in.
So what is the deal with Ververia? They get a lot of attention on threads, but in the lore document it is just 8 pages of disorganized contradictory info.Is anyone ever going to try to smooth things out?
>>82299816>Is anyone ever going to try to smooth things out?Eventually? Probably. Though people will work in what people are interestd in, so the only person you can count on to work on something specific is yourself. Be the change you want to see in the world anon.
>>82299877Alright, I will see what I can do
>>82299816It's probably going to need a push like what happened for the lapsarian faith at this point, and by that I mean a massive autistic argument that leads to a bunch of good ideas and two days of rewruting to make ot all make sense.
>>82299816>>82300002The big questions, like how Ververia was formed, what cultures make up the country, and how they "won" the Ververian Campaign have all been generally agreed on, It's just a matter of transcribing it to the doc and cleaning it up a bit. I was planning on doing that after I finish fucking around with some maps. The real issue is Ververian religion, which is a mess that hasn't been discussed for a while. I liked the idea of a decentralized, water linked, but not directly fish related religion for the Marshfolk, based on the Venitii reverence for the Venit, but focused on local water features instead. This would help explain why the Clannsmen's religion influenced the new Ververian faith more than the Marshfolk, as the Marshfolk religion held little sway outside of their traditional lands. I also liked the idea that was floated around for the Clannsmen that "Clansmen have a Monolith inspired faith focused on "worshiping totems and engravings of the monolith as a proxy", which would explain the Slab density, as slabs would be something directly worshiped.".
>>82300335I like both of your ideas for Clansmen and Marshfolk. For the Ververian (or whatever the correct ter for the unified culture is) religion, do you have any ideas?
>>82300335It is actually kind of unclear why the Ververian Campaign happened since the religion question, and also there is little detail on it considering how important it was supposed to be.Yeah the religion looks like a mess.I reorganized the discussion a bit so that similar topics are close together. I also provided brief summaries, and copied in a couple missing discussions from old threads.
SO I have a proposal speciifically for CCA >>82297046SHould we maybe take a cleu from the real world and have more land in the nOrthern than the Southern hemisüphere? By that I mean, move the Vast a little up North relative to the equator? That way i think a lot of the temparatures, like that of Jasentorf and the Suuri tundra make more sense PLUS it allows us a stretch of "exotic subtropical/tropical foreigners " along the bottom. The way it is right now I think begs a lot of questions.regarding culture vs climate, the further equatorwards you go
>>82300582So my thoughts on the combined religion is that back when the Conqueror finished unifying Ververia, he spent much of his reign promoting unity between the two groups, (which included a marriage at Susa type deal) and part of that was promoting tolerance of each other's religious beliefs. He did not try and create a new religion, he was just trying to prevent friction between the two groups.His closet followers and the nobles from both groups who supported him (including most were part of the mass wedding) took this to heart and formed families where their spouse followed a different religion. In addition to this, the areas where this new group (who take the name Ververian from the Conquerors House of Verver) settled were outside of both the marshes and highlands. Of the two cultures, the Marshfolk faced more difficulties trying to worship the same way they used to, since their worship was highly dependent on offering sacrifices and gifts to the waters that supported them, and since their rituals and worship were both localized to rivers and marshes they no longer lived by. To deal with this change, the Marshfolk took to making small shrines, usually involving water gardens or a water feature of some kind, but still yearned for their home river. As such, it became a tradition to return to the waters you came from at least once (most would visit several times over their lives) and offer a sacrifice and thanks.Conversely, the Clannsmen's monolith-inspired faith wasn't nearly as dependent on geography, and was able to weather the change better. Totem worship and engraving went on as it always had, essentially unchanged from how it was practiced before.Will continue.
>>82301481The children of this new group grew up exposed to both religions and adopted both of them, taking up the worship of both the totem and the waters. This was encouraged by the Conqueror who saw it as another way to try and blend the two cultures. In practice this meant more totem-inspired worship than water worship, but both were present and influenced each other. Engravings of the waters became common on totems, the family water garden or shrine might have an engraved monolith as a focal point, while the pilgrimages have become an important rite of passage for Ververians becoming an adult.As such the Ververians faith is stone aligned, with a totem worshiping religion that is distinct from related Clannsmen and Suuri faith by a smaller, but nonetheless important focus on the waters of Ververia.
>>82300650That's true, why is started it still up in the air. The general course of it seemed to be agreed upon though, where Lapsaria moves into Ververia, faces long supply lines that it can't adequately protect, inefficiencies in its military, and Fabian warfare and constant guerilla attacks that turn the campaign into Lapsaria's own winter war. In the end, Lapsaria took what lands it could hold onto and all the slab dust they could grab and peaced out, with military reforms coming hot on the heels of the wars end. Also man, good on you for reorganizing that section, it looks a lot better.
>>82301481>>82301508Ververia suffers from neatness syndrom.There is no land with the marshfolk and no water with the clannsmen. Why are the shrines and totems of the Marshfolk water features? Why are they not similar to waht the dominant culture has, a culture which is not geographically seperated from them anywhere? Their shrines should be similar to the totems, they should be made of stone and its not being pure water would be a feature not a bug. You can't have the Marshfolk be active and semi-equal participants in the coutnry's politics but simultaneously isolationist traditionalists who dare not adopt scary outsider culture.
>>82301693The Marshfolk wouldn't have shrines or totems, the Clannsmen would have totems and the mixed Ververians would have both. The mixed Ververian's descended from Marshfolk would have built shrines and gardens dedicated to the waters since they were no longer by their traditional waters. Over the centuries, these shrines and gardens might have integrated some stone related features into them that were not present originally. Likewise, the mixed Ververian's totems might have integrated some water related designs over time.The Marshfolk who remained by their traditional waters wouldn't alter the way they worshiped because nothing had changed for them. There would be similarities between how they worship at the waters and how the mixed Ververian's worship at shrines, but the traditional Marshfolk would not integrate Clannsmen worship into their water worship.Likewise, the Clannsmen who didn't mix with the Marshfolk and who stayed true to their Clannsmen culture wouldn't adopt the worship of the waters. There would be similarities between their worship and the mixed Ververian's worship, but without any water shrines or gardens.It's the mixed group that has the similarities to both of the other groups in their worship. With that being said, Ververia is a little too neat when it comes to inner strife, so why shouldn't the Marshfolk's refusal to meld with the greater whole be a sticking point for Ververia in the present day? The Ververian's religion is more totemist than marshist, so they wouldn't have as much problems with the Clannsmen, but perhaps after the Ververian Campaign water worship becomes looked down upon by the more diehard Ververian's and Clannsmen due to perceived connections with Lapsaria's religion?
>>82297893>>82297473>>82297203>>82297108This is really good anon!
>>82301481>>82301508I still prefer the ancestor worship over just water sacred lol.Just because it was a different idea from what we had before.
>>82304470That's the look of a man who lost everything, good work.
>>82304470If you aren't living in the North or the Isles, probably wouldn't be that bad to just work with animals. Although that's mostly just the dream of being a Freeskal shepherd talking.
>>82303943Could be something like the mummies found in the bogs were seen as sacred because the swamp saw fit to preserve them. They could have shrines in the swamps with bodies in them that the swampfolk go to to worship.
>>82306439guys, it's getting ridiculous. Just start a compass. Imagine someone doing a bog mummy square. All lore problems wpuld be solved
>>82306477What are the scales however? We've had some decent ones to start, but that's always on grounds of good framework.
>>82306498The main guy doing a lot of the work, CCA, has the flu. Things will slow down when the big engine is gone.
thoughts on elephants trained in water rescue?
>>82306512I'm sure that's the only reason why. And I'm sure you'll totally get a second momentum going.
>>82306512We're on part seventeen. We've got a good framework and we're in an inbetween state. Not everything can be one thread per day.>>82306515Cute. But it does raise a question of how the fuck elephants got to the Sunset Islands.Did the Guths just hannibal the place and they're an invasive species?
>>82306528I mean it's also because compasses are both easy to contribute to and easy to engage with, where as working on editing/slimming down information into a coherent format/rules writing is both slow and not nearly as fun for people as drawing silly pictures.People were talking about since the beginning that as soon as the compasses were done things would slow down considerably.
>>82306575On a swimming elephant, you could go anywhere...
>>82306590Strange that there doesn't seem to be much talk about what kind of system this game would use. I mean, you guys are doing this to make a game and not just masturbatory writing, right?
>>82306637There's one guy doing most of the work on the system and he isn't in the thread right now. See previous threads, and even the links in the OP, for the system being worked on.
>>82306637CCA is the guy writing the system, it's built on something called 6PIP. OP has the link to the document with the basic ruleset. CCA was working on the character creation part of the doc before he got sick.
>>82306637>Strange that there doesn't seem to be much talk about what kind of system this game would use.Did you even check the OP? There's a whole RPG system being worked on.And there has been some talk about using other systems, but we realized that plenty of systems can fit the bill depending on what kind of game you want to run
>>82306655Yea but that would require doing some research, rather than just going 'oh ho ho DED hee hee.'I imagine he's a transit from the compass thread whose ass-mad something is being worked on.
>>82306637Did you miss the character sheet?
>>82306575>GuthsBro it’s not happeningJust let it die alreadyNo one wants your country
>>82306575Same way exotic animals wind up anywhere I imagineA sultan wanted one and brought them there, then they got loose and are now wild on the islands
>>82306804We have the Renegade and his Olm man.So it's a thing. However, now that it is a thing we enter the Collab part of this Collaboration.To that End, I'm gonna offer up some proposals on the remaining parts of the 'west' as it were.>>82306864Pablo Escobar but instead of coke it's coral. And instead of hippos its Elephants. I can dig it.
So how many princedoms are there in Jasentorf? Cause we should definitely leave a few blank to give GM’s and players something to work with for plots and backstories
>>82306940>how many princedomsAs many as was in HRE
>>82306940Twelve princedoms, a bunch of pretenders and fallen princedoms, and an uncountable amount of smaller powers.
>>82290490I did something
>>82306940Personally I feel like the original 'thousand princ(ipalities)' is a good idea, although we should only define the regions and some of the most prominent states. Those HRE maps of Germany were a mess, but we can all pick out where Saxony and Bavaria are.
>>82306989This. It's the 12 golden houses for a reason, but that doesn't exclude a fuckload of "smaller" nations (Some of which may even be stronger than the 12 Princedoms, but don't have the historical backing to their name)
>>82306877We could have the wild elephants in an older more ancient sultanate or khanate or something along the more southern coast of the Vast.Have them be the culture that originally colonized the sunset isles, before they broke away to rule themselves. Probably due to the economic boom that was the coral.The sultans of the isles use elephants as a status symbol like their rulers before them.
>>82306995Nice.>>82307018Perhaps we make distinctions between elector Princes and lesser princes? It makes Yothenstein's reunification have a lot more weight.>>82307041I suppose it depends on what we do with that big chunk of land in the south. Jasen neatly fills out that mountain area, while Tarca isn't all that large.Still, we should avoid any major powers in the area. Although that applies to modern politics and not historical ones. Gimmie a second to get the map.
>>82306667Seems like this is that dude's project. So what is everyone else doing aside from playing with wojak?
>>82307103Writing out the fluff.
>>82307103It’s a collaborative project. He’s doing the work on the system, we’re doing most of the world building outside of the original concept that served as a jumping off point.
>>82307127And he contributed a lot to the fluff as well, and drew a lot of the original compass, and the map. He's definitely the biggest single contributor.
>>82307081Well, the princes have probably a lot more rights and protections, other than being allowed to actually deal with politics.So maybe it's one if the reason the Yosthestein Prince knows he isn't going to pay his debt and get away with it.
>>82307081We could have the power of the original sultanate entirely eclipsed by the sunset isles and collapse into obscurity. Most of the most important people relocating to the isles and those that didn’t cling to their traditions without the manpower or resources to accomplish much on the world stage
>>82307103Thank god for this member of the Hooks, we got bumped back to first page.
>>82307160>the setting of a ttrpg doesn’t matterGo play some d&d
>>82307146>A Lot He's done a fair amount of work, but Leviathan lives on the collaborative element. Which in turn provides him a framework of what the game systems are designed for.
>>82307169Most /tg/ settings are massive shit. "Dude I'm being creative I threw together some random setting elements and DUDE BEAR ARMS LMAO." This is how this "Radon and Raiders" shit started, it was basically Fallout in Britain with some Arthurian legend shit thrown in. It's completely forgettable in every way. Nothing about it is interesting. Yet, because it is "original," we must all bow down and worship it. Yes, we must all bow at the altar of creativity, we must not give in to the temptation of hating what made /tg/ so good in the "old days." Except what /tg/ made was always shit. Very few of /tg/'s "original ideas" are any good. They are just random setting elements mashed together, with some random art found on some obscure blog, with nothing interesting to tie it together, just random flavortext. None of these settings are interesting enough to be worth developing or publishing for anything outside your own playgroup.Stop posting this garbage.
>>82307198That and we're probably gonna be writing out the character paths within the system when cca's is feeling better.
>>82306493Mountain <---> MarshSeethe <---> CopeThe second axis may be a meme but it can work on how they are dealing with the results of the Lapsarian war
>>82307219I know you're terrified of being cringe and the easiest way to not be cringe is to take off your pants and shit on something in public.But please, this is embarrassing.
>>82307146>He's definitely the biggest single contributor.Maybe, but it's far from being a majoritay position. I appreciate all, of CCA's contributions, and there's no denying we wouldn;t be here without him, but the setting is a collaborative project first and foremost. The system is his and well deservedly so, but the setting has no majoritary contributor other than me. That's right baby, I wrote 90% of the docs and you can't prove me wrong
>>82307221I am looking forward to it, there's some real meat potential there when the actual base is hammered out..>>82307261Could it be? The legendary Armadillo of Hubris?>>82307230Since the war was won, it would definitely be less seething and coping, but I do like how the war's impact could be used as an axis.
>>82307219>how dare you enjoy a creative project that’s on topic for the board>I don’t like it when people around me make things
>>82307291Can't be, I'm the armadillo.And I'm a being of autism, not hubris.
>>82307310>how dare you enjoy a creative projectIf you want to write dumb shit go to /lit/>b-buh they won't tolerate my bullshit there!And rightfully so, but it's still much more on topic with literature than it is about rolling dice and wargame miniatures.
>>82307327>>82307261>>82307291No brothers, I’m the armadillo
>>82307350Nah, i'm the armadillo, and I can prove it.I was writing the docs around 1:30 am when I said good night to the anon, and he made the meme saying the same time, meaning that we share the same timezone.
>>82307344If you think the shits so dumb, contribute somethingIf you don’t want to, there’s plenty of other threads on the board, you don’t need to waste your time being butthurt here
So this is the situation as of yet in very rough terms. At the moment whatever is happening in the south, on the whole it is an disunified mess.Red area is is completely undefined, while the same can be said of the opposite area on the other side of the continent. Focus should be aimed at
>>82306493survival - gloryBlood - BoneDo it, it's getting very necessary
>>82307457I think you made jasen too fat
>>82307463For which faction?
>>82307457Jasentorf is too big and the euator too high up
>>82307457Focus should be aimed at the stuff we already have Desu
>>82307448>If you think the shits so dumb, contribute somethingNot obligated to contribute.>If you don’t want to, there’s plenty of other threads on the board, you don’t need to waste your time being butthurt hereThe tabs at the top of your screen exist for a reason.
>>82307457Wasn't this the last map?CCA was going to add more mountains to jasen, but I don't think it was by giving them more territory.
>>82307498Got cucked by being too slow again
>>82307479north, ververia and suuri. blood and bonr can be repkaces with march mountain idc
>>82307457This whole map needs to be reworked as explained here >>82297005 >>82296931Reworked as in, it can (and needs) to go way further south, for it to be a single mega continent. Though I'm not opposed to any of the suggestions here, we just need to know that the continent can (and should) expand way further south than is shown here
>>82307557Adding ververia to the norf would make it too crowded.
>>82307515>>82307457A lot of things need to be changes now that the scale has changed.
>>82307515Man I just grabbed the last map I saw, under the assumption that it was the newest. That said it does work a bit better as the problem with reaching for those mountains was that it was definitely on the large side. We need more mountains in the final product though.>>82307498>>82307540Fuckin Saved. Now I just need an Auntie image.
>>82307540More memes/bait replies are always a good thing!
>>82307570Just scale up the map.The only reason that it became that small was because someone complained it was too big and CCA overreduced the size.
Has CCA described how high fantasy characters are supposed to be? As in how much of a hero should I expect my PC to be? I don't like the idea of playing super mudcore shitfests.
>>82307597I think Lapsaria is a good size, it's like 1.2x the size of mexico (would be the 10th biggest country on earth in the modern age). Extending the continent down would be better than changing Lapsaria's size.
>>82307604We would know more when doing the backgrounds, but he got the flu.Apparently you can just give the PCs more point to make them stronger if you want.
>>82307604We’ll the setting itself is fairly low fantasy and grounded, the examples given for roll checks seem to be more on the side of campy adventure, like Indiana Jones
>>82307604While this is more on the grounded side, I'd definitely say this isn't mudcore. Low-end characters will be fairly mundane, but there is a lot of growth options. Consider how Stone-Singers will be a progression choice.
>>82307604The examples for characters CCA used in examples are a:>former soldier>university researcher>mountaineer So grounded, but the situation in the examples describes them eluding a chase from a bunch of police then breaking into a rich guy's house.
>>82307562I agree with >>82307613I also don't see why a smaller planet would be inherently bad. That is if you (as me) can ignore things that may come with that, smaller gravitational force, a moon influencing ebb and flood far more than on earth etc.On that note, is there some lore on high/low tide? Might be an interesting topic.
>>82307568well neither will happen because of this dilly dallying
>>82307728Just make the moon smaller too.And people don't walk as fast because they are lazy.
>>82307291How about preparation vs boasting?The war was won, but they lost a bunch of territory, and slabs with it, which are probably sacred or important.
>>82307515which one is supposed to be the equator>>82307728Or just make most of the planet ocean
>>82307773The middle one anon, it goes from to to bottom.
>>82307773The middle one, this was before things were resized. >>82307773>>82307728I think making the world slightly more even ocean/earth would be better since The Vast is so comically large.
>>82307728Personally, I feel like we can actually make better use of the Vast and the Deep. Currently neither of them feel aptly represent just how large they should be.
>>82307800I mean, the Vast is 99% wasteland. We were discussing additions to it and how pilgrimages work. What we got was:>cultures similar to Bedouins traverse the edges of the Vast>Pilgrimages to the interior are very dangerous, but possible (particularly with guides)>Massive Monsoons from the world ocean come in every few years during Monsoon Season and soak parts of The Vast, making Pilgrimages easier that season>Since Lapsaria have declared open hostilities against the Monolith there have only been a few prime pilgrimage seasons>The Bedouin cultures are actively hostile towards Lapsaria expeditions
>>82307850Maybe we should add more mountains and rifts to the wastelands to make crossing it even harder?
>>82307772I like this.Wisdom vs Arrogance
>>82307905Gimmie.>>82307887Prudence vs Pride
>>82307886and those bedouins use climbing equipment, secret underground tunnels and maybe some kind of large mountain goats to travel
>>82307792>>82307793If pic related is the correct scale, we should just have a small continent and move sunset islands further south.>>82307772Ethnic maps don't really reflect large losses, unless all territory lost was Venitii territory
>>82307886Idk, a vast open territory in which everyone or everything hostile can spot you from miles away seems even harder to traverse. On the other hand, I've always imagined the vast as mostly desert and wasteland for no particular reason
>>82307944The continent should not be that small. If it's a Pangea it needs to take up at least 20% of the surface of the planet or we're in full water world.
>>82307995Filled with screaming rock eating retards.
>>82308041Better than the screaming people eating retards atleast
>>82307995I think just open wasteland bordering the Ocean seems unrealistic from the means of geography, We should add at least one high mountain range at the southern coast to block humid ocean winds from reaching the wasteland. Though Northern coast may be something like Namib or Atakama desert.
>>82307944I was thinking of expaning the cotinent as such (Maybe even further horizontally, but that would throw Kyoguro off map, though that'd be fitting considering they're meant to be almost unknown)
>>82308093The Vast is big so I think there could be different landscapes.
>>82307923>>82307887I like both of these
>>82308093Plenty of deserts directly border the ocean with only extremely small barriers directly next to the water. It is dependent on whether the wind is blowing towards or away from the continent. If it is blowing away then the vast can go with up to the shoreline. Deserts in Africa, South America, and Asia all border the ocean.
Would something like this work?
>>82308159Yeah, I have mentioned the Namib desert, though it seems strange when you have those deserts on both shores.
>>82308187Just use mountain and marsh.The compass should be in english, you can put the scottish in the wojak itself.
>>82308187I would say Highland and Marsh but otherwise I like it
>>82308200That's the thing, if the continent is big enough they will touch both shores at different latitudes.
>>82308099It'd be something like this overlayed on the world map (notice the equator is a bit further north, so the world would be smaller than earth)
>>82308227Extend the continent east to make the vast thicker east to west.
>>82308255Thought the same thing after I posted
>>82308298>>82308227(I sure hope either CCA or someone else who actually knows how to make maps is able to do this well)
>>82308315Kyugoryo should be closer to the equator, because that's where moist rain will actually be coming off the ocean. It's in primary dry zone atm.
>>82308315It looks like a fish.
>>82308320>>82308315Like this, exactly
>>82308332Currently it's a bit below the 45 degrees mark, so near real life corea, japan and nortehrn china.It could possibly be a bit furtehr south, but its current position does work.
Just spitballing but since we're ending up expanding all the compasses might as well do an ocean one and come up with some more minor and local fish gods.Vast vs ShallowAloofness vs ObservantHows does this sound or something sort of like this
>>82308409Deep vs shallow, vast is the name of the continent.
>>82297294>>82290490>>82306995Added Funky Shelled Diogenes
>>82308409I like it, but we should focus on finishing the other compasses first. We still have the Sunset and Jasentorf compasses to finish, and the Masovii and Hasyyim ones to start as well.
>>82308520The sea dollar hat looks like raw pizza dough when it's smaller.
>>82308557>Masovii and HasyyimDon;t forget the Northern one!
>>82308566And ververia too.
>>82308566Oh yeah, gotta get the Suuri done too. I want to say there was one being floated around for the Durites.
>>82308409I'd agree on one condition. That everything is viewed from the lens of the Shore. The ocean ought to be kept enigmatic.
>>82308563Damn, any idea how to fix this?
>>82308597I'm working on something, trying to make it look a bit more like a decorated rice hat.
>>82308520Could we expand the Sunset Isles' military a little?Categories we could add:>military elite, something like pic related?>lowest common denominator soldier, something that could be a PC background>generals?>greek fire alchemist
>>82308633Here. Now I'm going to try and merge with the shell version.
>>82308557no we dont need to focus. many irons in the fire is productive
>>82308719Damn, you seem like a much better artist than me. Here's the shell i used, but feel free to redraw the shell if you feel like it.
>>82308585Agree on this, but how would that even work. Most people outside of the hooks and partly the secret police and highest gouvernment even know about them>>82308520Really like it! Don't much care about his hat looking like a pizza in the non-zoomed image, everybody looking at it has to zoom in to read anyway. Only thing I have to add is that I did like the wording "shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans' more to underscore the irony. But that may just be me as esl prefering a pronounciation that isn't needed and looks too in-your-face if that makes sense
>>82307800they are deliberately remote
>CCA is editing the rules document
>>82308758>I did like the wording "shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans' moreI might be blind, but other thanr fame -> prestige what changed?
>>82308758a deep compass is the exact opposite of what the compass is for. Leave deep stuff to the cultures it influences.
>>82308742Nah, it's just because you tried to achieve something different.
>>82308671I think the idea is to have them be more of an economic power and their military might is less important due to the remoteness of their location.So the elite fighters would likely be naval soldiers or something like that
>>82308409Eh, I'm not sold on this one. I think the deeps are better left, as >>82308789 suggests, as influences and as references in other compasses. Making a deep compasss would be the same as admitting what's actually down there, while doing it through references leaves it open for interpretation
>>82308671just fucking... draw a wojak of it. That's how you advance the lore
>>82308409I'm gonna go ahead and ask you not to do that
>>82308671We could, but if you want something added to the compass I recommend either giving a full on text description to make it easier for artfags, or better yet, provide the art.
>>82308828>draw a wojakor you know, an original design to curb the memespam
>>82308187i hope this is north in general and not just ververia. Because if it's just Ververia it will NOT get full
>>82308903It's just ververia.And it might get full if someone does things for it.
>>82308409Bad planWe should avoid expanding on the fish gods as much as possibleThey’re meant to be eldritch, let’s keep them this way
>>82308891nah, draw over a meme to keep the coherent artstyle. I've done things like king fisher, the whale, zhe lime deer, bunch of other stuff, but i always come back to wojaks and pepes because that is an easy aesthetic for less talented artists to stick by, and so we can be truly collaberative with the art.
>>82308800Done!>>82308758>"shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans'I think that sounds a bit repetitive, so I'd rather keep it as it is. Though if you are extremelly particular about it I see no issue in changing it.
>>82308671The isles simply don't have the metals or the bodies for an Immortal type unit. However the Islands are more indusive to other types of warrior.>Mercenaries; Lapsarian, Veverian & Jasen soldiers already well armed and armoured are worth their weight in sugar, as not only body-guards but commanders and trainers>Furies; A distinct class of warrior that is more egalitarian in recruitment based on weapons skill, light armour, and extreme chemical intakes to render them immune to pain>Nobles; The upper class expected to take arms, well armoured (with import metal) and disciplined, usually a Sultan relies on these three for their core forces>Common Scum; Pirates, Tribal Raiders and the like, offered riches by Sultans to harass their enemies, drift about the Isles like roving dogs>Tribal Retinues; For the Sultans on the fringes of civilization, warriors are expected to serve their sultan in exchange for tribal rights>Slaves and Commoners; Largely underutilized aside total war, Sultans are very weary of populist and slave revolts, and such masses are minimally armed and armoured>Hiejies; A new class of local mercenary that utalize exclusive foreign weapons and the run-offs of Lapsarian military goods. Use more modern guns and notably ambitious.>>82308929I'll make a couple characters in a bit.
>>82308929bad idea. Let's see if maybe we get some stuff at least to spite me.
>>82308967>>82308929oh wait i actually did a clannsman. He's somewhere one or two threads back
>>82308934>>82308850We've got at least 6 fish eldritch gods adding in more minor ones wouldn't be out of place, nor would it explain anything away.
>>82309125>at least 6 fish eldritch godsWhat? There are 4 from the original compass + the Deep Forest, which is more of a force of nature than an actual eldritch god, so I wouldn't really count it.
>>82309125it'd be dumb as fuck to do it through a dedicated deep compass
>>82309157He's probably counting the Coral "gods", which are just false Stone gods.
>>82309157I'm counting it, as well as the starfish that should be being added to one of the compasses.
>>82308409Maybe we could do a compass for ocean cultists if you're set on expanding the, but on the gods themselves? That's a big no no
>>82308520>that beekeeper>that biologistWell fucking done, lads
I personally would rather make a compass for Grand Chruvir the city, or make a map for the city.
>>82309125Thing is, in shadow over innsmouth the fish deity was weird because it was unique to the area.If we start putting fish gods all over the place it’s gonna cheapen it, even if it’s just a few
>>82309208That's fair enough.
>>82309178>I'm counting itWell you shouldn't> as well as the starfish that should be being added to one of the compasses.Well, you shouldn't be counting it either, seeing as it is a) nt in any compass yet and b) not even agreed upon as to what it is.>>82309204I think for cities maps would be a bigger priority. CCA mentioned he has some experience with ity level maps, but we'll probably need more people if we're to map the major cities (I think just Chruvir, Synance and maybe Monx would be neough at first, as these seem to be the most likely main points of player activity)
>>82297046Reposting this, did anything come of her?>A beautiful young sculptor emerges in one of the cities, crafting a masterpiece>Her heritage becomes the source of much debate, as it is unclear whether she is of Durite or Lapsarian origin>The debate carries with it the weight of propaganda as the Durites wish to claim her and her work as a symbol of the rebirth of the Stonesong and of Durite nationalism>The Lapsarians wish to claim her as a way to humiliate the Durites -- "we can outdo you at your own ancestral arts">Who is she? What did she sculpt? Does she have the gift of Stonesong?
>>82308187Full Marsh, no prudence or pride because he never saw the warThe Bog Body>Preserved by the Marsh>Honored by their descendants>In death as was in life
>The Ververian Unicorn>the body of a horse, the feet and tail of a lion, the horn of a narwhal>once found throughout the Suuri Tundra, now only a handful remain in the Chattani Valley>symbol of resistancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enq2pFpBz1sJust in case anyone is confused, yes this is a wooly rhino
>>82309326would you mind if I did a different drawing for that?
>>82309340Go for it
>>82309235The great reef would be practically an entity all of its own unless we've come to the decision it's just a part of father oyster.>not even agreed upon as to what it is.>>>82293781both seem to be accepted fairly well
>>82309376>The great reef would be practically an entity all of its own unless we've come to the decision it's just a part of father oyster.Nah. I like the Reef and the Forest Vibing. Blind Idiot Things unaware of the heresy they represent. And only the humble parrot fish keeps them in line.
>>82309376>The great reef would be practically an entity all of its ownIf you need to describe it as an entity it's much closer to the Monolith than any of the fishgods, as it is explicitly thoughtless. Plus, there's nothing attributed to it other than making part of teh reefs, aka, a natural force. > both seem to be accepted fairly wellThe Starved Sun especially seems to be from his previous descriptions more of a beast than an actual eldritch entity. It might be seen as a god by some, but it's nowhere near as influent of powerful as the already estabilished entities.
>>82309376everything is an entity of its own. The Reef is entity: epic, style: vibing. That's all we need to know. Get out of here with the terrible deep compass idea
>>82309514The reef and forest at the bottom of the seahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5yXIsfCcO8
>>82309545>King Fisher in the other room trying to sleep
>>82309571>Releases the parrotfish
We could just make the reef and the forest part of the same entity
>>82309613I thought that was the case anyway>>82309326
>>82309613They are, the are both large, spreading coral groups..What changes it's their location, and since they have no mind or goals, it's effectively just another being, even though it's the same shit.
>>82309628Looks cool, although I would change the crown to have twigs instead of leaves.Don't know why, just my gut feeling.
>>82309651I specifically did leafs to show that it si something fresh put in by worshippers and not part of the mumified body
>>82309613I mean, on a genetic level they're probably the same thing, but the distinction should be made as they're very different.The Reef is on the level of a legend. It's like Atlantis because it's out there doing loop-de-loops on the currents, while the Forest is responsible for an entire region's economy and a not insignificant part of the landmass.
>>82309628>Bog Ancestor>>82309326>Hill AncestorAt some point when the Marshmen and the Highlanders were kicking the shit out of each other, did they just rip one another's metaphorical pants off and see they were bothing wearing polka-dot underoos.
>>82309255Love the idea, but as has been said already: if nobody else picks it up and makes a pic or whole compass entry, you'll need to find someone or do it yourself
Is there a particular reason why Leviathan seems to garner hate? It's the wojaks I'm guessing.
>>82309657Fair.maybe make the body a bit bluer to have a greater contrast against the leaves? Something is telling me that the leaves are weird I don't know why.
>>82308099Kyoguro is definitely on the other end of thecontinent, so off-map.And I am still vouching for Nottomans in free space. They would fit the setting too perfectly, their esthetics rocks, and that way Lapsaria is not the only country going industrial.
>>82309690This is just typical 4chan behavior. See something you don't like, then try to shit it up. Just ignore and report.
>>82309690Every one of these projects gets a few dedicated shitposters.The fact that we only got one so far, he quit for quite a while and hasn't made an impact has been very weird actually.
>>82309694>Kyoguro is definitely on the other end of thecontinent, so off-map.I agree, but off-map depends on how wide the continent actually is
>>82309694>and that way Lapsaria is not the only country going industrial.lmao, what a desirable consequence!
>>82309694>Nottomans that are somehow not the sick man of the settingBlasphemy.
>>82309694Masovii is.To have another country full on industry, they will either need black salt or oil.So maybe a southern salt plains? If there are two countries with a bargain it will weaken the whole thing.
>>82309690Part of it is the wojaks. They see them and think there’s nothing more to it than the surface level memes.The other part is people see writing a setting as not /tg/ enoughAnd then there’s the how dare you like things I don’t like fags that have been hitting the black salt hard
>>82309690It's been on the catalogue for too long, so people hate on it. This is the way of things. Just ignore them, the best way to shut them up is not do what I just did (give them attention) but provide content
I think we should all agree Lapsaria is the only one with an oil-based economy. Every other industrial power is Salt based.
>>82309763They do give us free bumps tough.
>>82309768and not really industrial in the fullest sense.
>>82309807Even if we limit them to 1820's tech, things can get pretty industrial.
>>82309768Otherwise the bargain is either not unique or unnecessary, both of which I would say are undesireable
I dunno what to draw next. I kinda wanna do the Alerian Prince but we've already got so many Alerians. Any open prompts for >>82308949 ?
>>82309816I think the idea was industrialization in masovii was developing but not really there yet.And Jasentorf isn’t industrial at all
>>82309768Unless they somehow can get enough oil from their dredge pit equivalent to get oil.But even them it's bad, because now you have a nation that has it's cake and ate it too.Still like the idea the the suuri tundra has the potential to be dredged, because it's a hostile place, something only a PC going out of their way to find out, and it means having to deal with the internal schemes of Lapsaria as well to even start, a good mix of exploration, adventure, combat and intrigue.
>>82309721Yes, because it implies a WW1 scenario in a century or so. Even if Lapsaria survives its current struggles, the Nottomans will eventually catch up in tech and meet themin the battlefield. Masovii could fill that role, but they are also close enough to fight and defeat (assuming ideal circumstances for not!russians). The point is : I don't like having a single industrial power in the entire world, beccause real life has proven how horrifyingly imbalanced industry is. In the current setting, I feel like, if Lapsaria doesn't collapse right now, it will steamroll the entire planet in the next 50 years. Imagine if the UK never had to contend with France or Russia. >>82309735Errr... Yeah. They are probably have corruption galorre/are in the middle of a civil war. They are far away, anyway, who cares.
>>82309864There were a couple some threads back, will see if I can find them
>>82309864I liked the Masovii Shell-Carver>Left the Lechte to make a name for himself>Now a wealthy man>Well regarded for his skill>Married a local woman
>>82309903there are some hitns of small, local idnustrialization going on in Jasentorf, but just to kind of keep it in a good flow with tis neighbours.>>82309945>The point is : I don't like having a single industrial power in the entire world, beccause real life has proven how horrifyingly imbalanced industry is. In the current setting, I feel like, if Lapsaria doesn't collapse right now, it will steamroll the entire planet in the next 50 years.Yea I imagine it's hard not liking the basic premise of a setting you are participating in.
>>82309945Personally, I feel like a Mamluk Faction might be better suited. Or maybe something Andalusian.
>>82309768>>82309945Yeah, of course. Nottomans would be Black Salt-based. They shouldn't be as strong as the main faction, just clearly on the same path.
>>82309684I'll see if I can do up something tonight
>>82309982I'm fucking dying.
>>82309968Yeah, Mamluk is good.There are already andalusians in Tarca, but it's after they lost.
I have added the basic framework for backgrounds into the backgrounds section of the rules document:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kV4IkD7O2qFX6C0YYZQ78SBqpcJv07uy72ow-Mcvt3g/edit?usp=sharingIt is under the section titled Backgrounds, which contains both an example, the description of what a background is, and the rules for creating a background. Please look this over. Now, I realize that this will be a bit hard because not all skills are entirely clear on their usages, but if someone has a question I will be at all points available to clarify as I continue to fill things out.
>>82310008Makes sense. Personally I'm just trying to think of ways to keep this region from just having another Empire. Tarca is a good start and ties Jasentorf to the south. This area also being a stone's throw away from the interior also allows for a degree of black salt utilization, however I feel it best to hard lock their progression to something.Maybe it's better to start with cultures? We already have five kingfoms in Tarca.
>>82310055Well, their cultures are similar, bit different, to avoid yet another balkanized shithole, and just have a regular shithole instead.
>>82310008>>82309968Our current setting is mainly inspired by eastern european, central asian and central european cultures in the 17th-19th century. I see Nottomans as an absolutely obvious inclusion, even if it is just background. Mamelukes are cool, but they fit more in the sunset islands (mediteranean arabs). Though Janissaries and Mamelukes are essentially the same thing. You can fuse them andhave the Nottomans be ruled by decadent warrior-slaves. It explains their current irrelevance, makes them the sickman of the setting, and maintains their core identity
>>82310095So basically, Amedone is more Jasen like, more decentralized with manors and nobles.Mesmire was also a kingdom, but it was way more centralized, having their nobility be basically courtier and officers for the kings. One of the reason the capital was moved there even though they are the junior partner.Sacrevil was a theocracy, with some independent villages scattered around.Galbrela was a sultanate, since the ruler was an invading sunseter, but the place itself is a melting pot.Fesingia was a confederation/alliance of tribes, villages and cities.There were other minor powers, most of them vassals to one of these big kingdom, but b the time of the unification they were already assimilated by the big players.
>>82310148They were on the rise to be an empire, but them the jannielucks did their coup and the place started to stagnate.
>>82310148The sick man thing was a bit of a joke. They can be a regional power. Maybe even have some fingers in the Sunset Isles.
>>82310037Took me a minute to realize the difference between minor spec and minor focus was the change of 1-word lmao. Anyhow from what I can see so far the Backgrounds and Perks should be probably done after we have skills/equipment/rituals all done just for sake of making it slightly more coherent.
>>82310037>thinking anyone will contribute something more substantial than idea-guying
Here's an idea for the Nottomans: they're a lot more into ghosts than the rest of the settings. Big on seances and such.I'm totally not basing this on the fact I'm watching Ghostbusters right now.
>>82309947I like it too. It's nice and simple, but it's got something to it.
>>82310261Woah there Sligaffi, ease on the salt or you might overdose.
>>82310218>>82310227>Strong, yet fragile empire>By "empire" I mean many vassalstates and a loyal core culture>startproxy war with Lapsaria in th sunset islands>lose (Bargain, ironclads, etc...)>Central power weakened, Janneluks take the power.>Sultan is a drugged puppet>their industry is black salt-based. Kinda shit, but it is still industry.
>>82310350I'd add.>Military powerhouse, came to prominence after Jasen's Collapse>Slowly losing Ground as the tribal kingdoms get stronger each year
>>82310037Gonna comment here since suggesting on the doc feels clunky, For the Affluent perk what is the USD equivalent of 100 munt, and is that enough to start the game with a magic item of some sort, or would it just cover normal 'adventuring' gear.
>>82310350I was thinking the janneluks would have come to power before the Bargain, maybe early in the reign of the last Tsar.
>Once a humble fisherman>Anointed by a whale's bowels>Loved by many, hunted by more>They only desire his secretions>The sacred oil
>>82310438I am both intrigued and terrified.
>>82310438>They only desire his secretionsI'm too afraid to ask.
>>82310438shouldn'T they have yellow eyes?
>>82310037I have a few ideas for backgrounds, but i'm going to step away for a bit, so 'm leaving them here to not forgetNomad (kossoki, durite)Migrant (sligaff, durite)Homesteader (bandree, lapsarian, aemiid)Capri Bay Refugee (Lapsarian, yechod)
>>82310490Feel free to edit yellow eyes onto the guy if you like, I didn't feel confident enough to make ones that look good.
>>82310489>Unzips the sacred fluid dispenser
>>82310438Ok but how is it different from the savant
>>82310608I mean it isn't but it's cool nonetheless.
>>82310608The Savant is something purposefully created.The Idol is what happens when a man jumps into a bloated whale and explodes.To that end, he's fucking doomed.
>>82310507Here you go>>82310608It's for the isles
>>82310632That's great.>>82310608This guy (>>82310631) has the gist of it, but I'll elaborate.Whatever happened in the guts of the whale means that the poor fucker's body produces the oil. He literally sweats the stuff. He's a one-in-a-million freak accident and pretty much anyone who's interested in oil will want to get their hands on him. He's just an anomaly and a living adventure hook for the Isles.
>>82309326Hill Ancestor>beloved children of the highlands>interred on the snowfields, standing erect>the once living totems
>>82310806I'm glad I'm not the only one who read it that way.
>>82310806>>82310809standing tall pry would sound better. Was trying to imply something like this, but as a graveyard type deal.
>>82310833wtf is that from?
>>82310806>"By the way... do you happen to know what the fine is here in Veveria for necrophilia? Just asking."
>>82310836Dead Russian propped up in the snow by the Finns during the winter war. I think that's the only picture of one, but it happened several documented times during the war as a scare tactic.
>>82309255>>82310002>>82309684Here's a quick and dirty attempt, I'm no artist. The block in the back is supposed to be uncut stone.
>>82310881Damn I bet she has a pretty cute dick
>>82310888>a pretty cute chisel
>>82310881>The Mysterious Stonecarver>The Unwilling Stonesinger
>finally curious enough about these threads to look into them>it's shit
>>82310959My contribution for out new shitposting tradition.
The Ververian Guerilla>lost home and family during the war>kills Laps out of duty, not pleasure>misses his farm>has the admiration of the nation, would rather have his family
>>82310881>Crafted a masterpiece but fame has turned sour>No one knows what her heritage is, but all claim her>Doesn't know what "Stonesong" means, doesn't want to>Wishes she could sleep through the music she hears each night>Or through the shouts of the crowds outside her workshop during the day
>>82310881Here, let's say she's called: "The Unwilling Prodigy">>82311828This is good, how about her writeup be:>Crafted a masterpiece but fame has turned sour>No one knows her heritage, all claim her>Durites say she has the Stonesong>Laps say she puts the simple Durites to shame>She just sculpts the music she hears each nightWhat do you anons think?
>Kemraats >The Auspicious Army, composed of vaster feral, Mountaineer and damp-heretic children enslaved from youth were an army without equal employed by the Black Gate under the Sultan of Sultans>In its heyday the Kemraats turned the tide of the sheered cape, securing the dominion of the black gate and reclaiming suzerainty of the glass cape and her surrounding territories>However the Ambitions of the Monarch would spell an end to this golden age, with interests on the Northern Kingdoms, Satraps, the Southern Salt-Wastes and the Isles draining the Gate's coffers >The Final blows would come with the complete loss of the Northern Army in Tarca and the overthrowing of the old Gate-Aligned Ultassoi Sultan, officially bankrupting the state>In the subsequent collapse the Kemraats seized the Black Gate and the Royal Heartlands, destroying their rivals in the Ageriate Bureaucrats, the Marble Harpers and the Old Nobility>With this shattering the Black-Gate and all affiliated territories fell to the Auspicious Army, who retain the Sultan of Sultans, his household and harem as puppets>The Kemraats have stabilized the finances of the empire and managed to recoup the losses of the shattering, but they remain divided by council rule and reliance on strict old fashioned martial techniques and Black-Salt reliance>The Black Gate>Located in the far south along the old sea-wall lies the Black Gate, a vast bridge that spans the harbour of the city bearing the same name. As long as anyone can remember the granite walls have guarded the coast, and their origins remain contentious.>Any major power in the Glass Cape has always sought to capture the Gate and surrounding city to cement their regional authority, with the Gate often overshadowing the temporal owners.>Traditional religion of the south honours the Gate but does not worship it, and there are allegations that the lost Yechod homeland included the Gate, though most major scholars reject the theory.
A pearl-obsessed dandy for the Prosperity - Coral section of the Isles. I'll let others add more detail if they want to, or come up with fluff.
>>82311999Those are some reverse satan numbers you got there.Still, worthy as always.>Pearl-Obsessed Dandy>Oil is temporary, Pearls last forever>His rising wealth unnerves the Royals>Ruthless as much as he is Generous >Intruiged by tales of the Nemijski
>>82311999I really dig that, nice work>The Nacreous Nawab>Has followed the path of Grit, is now himself an object refined>Takes pearls of substance>Dispenses pearls of wisdom>Welcome in any court that can pay his toll
The King>The will of the Marshes>He bears the Gun>The Crown is united
>>82312231Too medieval. Maybe something more like pic related.
>>82312299I knew someone was going to say that.He doesn't have a coif, it's a Venitii hood without the mask, because he represents the marshlands and that's the traditional wear.And his "cape" is actually the Ververian flag.
>>82312331Could be a little more clear then.
>>82312336How? Now amount of detail will make people not see the hood as a coif.
>>82312347It could look more like fabric. Embroidered.
>>82312347I mean, I tired another version, but I ended up with this.
>>82312331That does make a lot of sense, although he does look a bit out of time. Hm. Either an Ermine scarf or something around the crown maybe...Or maybe a crest of some kind on the shoulder?
>>82312359Stand; Sekkusu Pisutoruzu
>>82312353>>82312360I will try that, see if makes it better.
>>82312359Maybe he could be wearing a ceremonial mask? I remember someone suggesting that the Marshfolk still wear the masks in battle, so maybe they also have ceremonial ones too? Might help people connect to to the Venitii hoods too.
>>82312416Yeah, if he's a king, then he's gonna have more than just a hood and a regular mask. He's gonna have the best hood and mask out of them all.
>>82312416>>82312425A mask might make t look even more medieval.Unless I go with a smaller mask, instead of a full face one.
>>82312416>>82312425>>82312443While the Marshers are cousins to the Venitii they do have their own style of things. That allows a bit of creative freedom. We should consider something like late Carnivale or Mardi Gras, Opulent and Baroque.
>>82312454>We should consider something like late Carnivale or Mardi Gras, Opulent and Baroque.Definately agree to that.Side note, though: How does Ververia make its money?
>>82312471That's the thing. It don't.
>>82312425Clubs have been mentioned before as being important to the Ververian's so maybe a fancy club/scepter too? >>82312443Yeah, it could just be one of those eye masks you see.
>>82312484Well, it's got to have an economy of some kind.
>>82312495Of course, but by comparison to everyone else stated Veveria is very lacking economically.No doubt there are mines in the hills, timberworks and traditional manufacturing guilds, but these are not well developed. Of course that WAS the case, and after the war the country is no doubt investing in changes.
>>82312471I'd imagine they really aren't all that connected to the world economy. They border a hostile nation to the east, and hostile tribes to the north and west. There would be naval trade to Jasentorf and Freeskalon, but it wouldn't be driving the kingdoms economy or anything.The only big thing that has been mentioned as a possible export are the high-quality ornately-carved and decorated flintlock rifles the Ververian's make, which could be popular amongst foreign nobility as sporting pieces.
>>82311999>>82312131Looks pretty dandy!
>>82313184Looks fine indeed.I think we should set a hard cap on 6x6s for future compasses just so we can ensure we're making sure everything is mutually developed. Anything larger and we'll risk over-developing for the time being.
>>82313199I agree. For teh side compasses start with a 4x4, and if it proves neecessary expand to a 6x6. Anything larger will either take very long to fill, or take too many resources from other parts of teh setting for the time being
I tried changing a few ting
>>82313219There we go.
>>82313219And now with a mask
>>82313219I think the color being a grey-sih tint will keep passing the idea it's a coif. Maybe try a dark buish green?Or not, it may just be me being autistic
>>82313230For me it's dark blue instead of grey.Maybe our brains are wired different.
>>82310037looks good, do you need us to come up with additional backgrounds?
>>82313235Personally I adore the new versions as it manages to preserve the grey-red pattern. We're now at the point where we can experiment with the colour as far as I'm concerned he's good to go. Also I Must now plead on my metaphorical hands and needs as all I have is a mouse and MS-Paint and can't compile these for Veveria. Please someone compile for Veveria I didn't expect anyone to follow through after the mock-up. I have shamed my Clannsmen ancestors.
>>82313235I do see the blue, but it's really desaturated (Pic related). If the idea is kit being a deep blue, even if a desaturated one, I'd recommend bumping the saturation/chroma up a notch
>>82309864>Coral Shaman (coral/fish mutated looking guy/girl)>Coral is change, and change is the will of the Deep Ones>The sea provides, Coral provides more>Come, let us swim among the reefs>Actually pretty chill
>>82313267>can't compile these for VeveriaI could try. I'm the guy working on the Sunset compass, so if you're not opposed to that style I can give it a go Though I'll probably need to go to bed soon, so I won't be able to add anything for a while after the 1st iteration
>>82313304Thank you. The Worst part is this is an upgrade I've managed to scrape up a mouse so I don't have to use a touch-pad.
>>82313230>>82313272Tried switching the colours.
>>82313318Makes me think Circassian with the Gold and Green. Though I do like that.
>>82313318Different, but cool!
>>82313324hmmmDesaturated the green a bit and bumped up the blue, also tried to make it more purple.
>>82313348Feels like it's as up to snuff with Veveria as the time-frame allows.
>>82313314Got a list to the ones that need to be added?
>>82312231>>82313348>>82311647>>82309628>>82309326>>82309312I think this is everything we have so far.
>>82313348I saw a corner that was painted wrong.
probably about time to make a new thread
>>82313507>>82313314I think this is it? Didn't find any text for the Clansman, so it's just standing there.Anything I missed just tell me and I'll fix it in a couple of hours
I tried my hand at it, it's harder than it looks.
>>82313693Don't you worry boss. You are gravy.
>>82313693>hardened by the frost
>>82313703damn it erectionanon, why must you taint the hill ancestors with your girthy words
>>82313703Oh god oh fuck.
>>82313693Could the king also have something like "the pride of the hills" to show he represents both?
>>82313723 > Oh, fuck you stone man. Maybe you and I should settle it right here on the oil-ring if you think you're so tough.
>>82313730I think tthe idea anon was building towards was the King reigns oveer the marshes and the Queen over the Hills (At least symbolically).Though that might just be me being schizo
>>82313734Hasyym is going to end up being a massive fuckin Gachipost. The Elder is should be on top of the pain scale.
>>82313751>Hasyym is going to end up being a massive fuckin Gachipost.Wouldn't have it any other way
>>82313739Nah, I can remember something about that a thread or two back. I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be the royal house that symbolizes the hills and marsh, or the king and queen in particular though.
>>82313763Maybe both? Like the royal house was formed as the union of both of these symbols, and to symbolize this the king and queen have distinct (symbolical) roles.Not sold on them having actual different purposes, but a symbolical thing is cool
>>82313783>Like the royal house was formed as the union of both of these symbols, and to symbolize this the king and queen have distinct (symbolical) roles.I like this. Especially since it's been established the Conqueror was a Marshfolk, it makes sense he took a Clannsmen as a wife. Put his mouth where is money is when advocating unity.
>>82313832Fine. I shall deal with this myself.
ALRIGHT GIRLY MEN GET IN HERE >>82313992