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First part of my agricultural write up:
>First, Aquaculture; the use of seawater to farm various crops of “seaweed”, or as it is more scientifically known “macroalgae”. This can be further distinguished between two different methods – tidal aquaculture and deep aquaculture.
>Tidal aquaculture is historically somewhat new, and was pioneered roughly 500 years by Freeskalan farmers in the Letche ago after the development of the Creeping Kelp – of which you are no doubt familiar with its dried and pickled forms that are easily found in any local marketplace. A key feature of the Creeping Kelp is its high tolerance for heat and exposure to the sun, along with its unique ability to continue to grow even out of water. Tidal aquaculture itself consists of the digging of simple canals in sandy tidal flats, shoring up the walls of which with either wood or metal brackets. Seedlings are planted during low tide, and strung together with thread or fishing line – which usually contains a tag denoting which farmer or corporation the seaweed bed belongs to. Work continues at low tide in the following months, removing various pest organisms and replanting sea anemones to more desirable locations. The predatory nature of the anemones is often not recognized by the farmers themselves – who merely consider them “pretty” or “lucky” flowers of the sea, developing great gardens at the openings of their canals and more recently at regular intervals along the canal. Even in ignorance, however, traditional farming methods must be respected here, and the anemones do great work as watchdogs for the kelp. Key regions of tidal agricultural production include Vaparo and its neighboring villages along the Anwald coastline, the Grey river delta, the Sedge wetlands, and the tidal marshes of Sardee Bay. Attempts at similar methods have been made in Jasendorf, but the coastline there is too rocky for it to be anything more than an experiment.

>>82297108
>Deep Aquaculture is somewhat of a misnomer, the depths at which this method operates under are still shallow compared to the sheer depths at which the ocean can reach. Instead, this refers to non-tidal agriculture; which consists of a wide variety of shallow dwelling corals, sponges, kelps, and seaweeds – including one variety of floating seaweed. While Lapsaria is no stranger to coastal farming, its waters tend to be too deep and cold to foster the right kind of microalgae for maximum exploitation. Instead, the richest waters for shallow kelp harvesting are found in the Sunset Isles – where towering forests of kelp are long and thick enough to ensure sailing ships in their verdant clutches. As the kelp species prefers a rocky foothold, the natives of the Sunset Isles have established a curious method of crop rotation with respect to what should be a competitor for space – the much admired Coral of the region. Following large scale harvesting of a crop of Coral, the hard bleached remains of the reef are gone over by farmers with fresh kelp seedlings, creating a vast garden in a matter of weeks. Trained sea otters patrol their master’s orchard, devouring vile urchins and blasphemous starfish that would seek to decimate the harvest. In a matter of months, the kelp is ready to be gathered, dried, and sold at market.

>>82290490
The Hermit Crab Philosopher
>sleeps in a shell in the marketplace
>shuns wealth and prestige
>his fame will outlast most sultans
>mimics and mocks the ways of crab

>>82297203
>Second, freshwater agriculture; the perhaps oldest and much depreciated method of controlled food production known to mankind. Throughout the world, brush clearing and vast irrigation canals have all but exhausted the possibilities for harvesting the wide variety of crops found along the fertile regions of the Vast. In Lapsaria, these crops include – millet, winter wheat, flax, potato, and apples – but in other regions include exotic plants such as maize, Kyugoryu rice, squash, pumpkin, potatoes, the tomato, peppers, and the papaya; as well as certain varieties of edible desert cactus. Out of all of these, it is Kyugoryu rice that is the most intriguing; as its production involves the creation of freshwater “rice paddies”, large shallow pools which the cattail-like rice plant requires to thrive in. As water intensive as it is, pound for pound the rice grain is far more nutritious than competitor grain species; and it is perhaps this high energy food that fuels the fires of Kyugoryu’s mysterious and perhaps one day rival culture. Rice seedlings have been smuggled successfully across the stormy southern cape, and even now experimentation is ongoing to bring to bear the full might of Lapsaria’s rivers to feed the first rice farms on the western coast. Regions with less access to water have had to sadly deal with the ever present threat of dust storms stealing away topsoil and leaving farms in ruin, an ever present danger in regions farmed across the Durite Steppes.

Dunno how to feel about this one, personally.

>>82297473
Added a brief line:
>But the unfortunate reality most land based agriculture has to face is not something we as Lapsarians have given up on correcting. Testing is underway in the use of a new kind of horseless carriage, known as a “tractor”, and through it we may see the rapid industrialization of agriculture as a whole – although this will perhaps have dire consequences in and of itself as agricultural laborers are forced out of the fields and into the factories, creating a new form of social disorder for which there may be no remedy. Even so, if the choice is between starvation and diaspora, we would all surely choose diaspora.

Again, don't know how to feel about it. It's a very mundane part of the setting.

>>82297530
Call tractors yakless plows instead.

>>82297656
You mean duriteless plows lmao

>>82297686
Yak. Durite. Same same.

>>82297686
>>82297693
>Implying filthy durites can do the same jobs as the majestic yaks.

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>>82297530
>>82297473
>Third, Livestock; the varied and sometimes bizarre usage of domesticated animals for food and raw materials. Any schoolboy could easily recognize the sight of the common chicken, a noble Geladen aurochs, the still untamed Kossaki zubr, the majestic Yak of the Durite Steppe, or the demure Trag sheep; but few would be so easily familiar with the Freeskalon dugong or the Sunset Isles long necked turtle. A vast array of animal life supports human civilization, most of which just as dependent on access to large quantities of freshwater as plant-based agriculture. There are a few exceptions, however. The Sligaff Camel, able to survive weeks or even months without the smallest drop of water, is a vital element in surviving in the deep Vast – acting as not just a pack animal, but a source of meat and milk as well. The Southern Elephant is another drought hardy animal, although only its smaller island-dwelling cousin in the Sunset Isles is fully tamed. Further to the east, across the vast, the Kyugoryu raise their own sort of cattle alongside a domesticated boar as well as giant edible worms known as “olgoi-khorkhoi”. Little is known exactly about other animals they raise, but the unsurprised expressions of their emissaries when reviewing Lapsarian farms tells us there is far greater cross-pollination of livestock than might be initially realized.

>Overall, food production is a vital part of any civilized people, and as contact between the western mainland, the various islands, and the distant east increasing; so too shall our kitchens expand their selection of fruits, meats, and vegetables.

To be honest this isn't as good as I would have liked it to be, and if anyone wants to expand it or change it around, that's fine.

>>82297656
One of the big things for when tractors are invented it pushes tons of agricultural laborers to cities. So suddenly impoverished demographics that did not own land flood cities.

>>82297046
>life in Ververia
Life for the Marshfolk living along the rivers, marsh, and wetlands of Ververia hasn't changed much since the days of their ancestors. The Marshfolk still live in their stilt houses and ply the waters in shallow-draft boats and canoes, farm semiaquatic crops like rice, hunt and trap animals like beavers and muskrats, catch fish, and crawfish, shrimp, and oyster, eel and turtle, lobster and scallop and the famous giant Ververian crab.
In the towns and cities, merchants trade the bounty of lowlands for the bounty of the highlands, the craftsmen work not only on the everyday items of life, but also on the famous ornately carved and decorated flintlock rifles and pistols that are used by the Ververian's and prized around the world, as well as the traditional siege weaponry who's quality is said to be surpassed only by the Venitii. Milliners work hide into the Venitii-style hats Marshfolk prefer to wear, weavers created the light, but full body clothing that the Marshfolk wear to protect against mosquitos and the sun, and the Dyers dye the clothing to anything from the shades and colors of the lowlands to the bright colors and designs favored by the Clannsmen.

Though the mixed religion of the Ververian's has become dominant in Ververia, the traditional ways of the Marshfolk remain legally accepted and respected in Ververia, even as more and more Marshfolk more away from the old ways. Marshfolk religion has several similarities to Venitii worship, but is significantly more localized. Marshfolk will venerate and offer sacrifices and worship to the body of water they live on, be it river, sea, lake, or marsh. Though these practices can be localized to a single village, it is more common for several villages in the area to venerate the same body of water. These villages would usually be on friendly terms with each other, and would form a greater community, but this wouldn't be a political connection, but rather a social and religious one.

>>82299305
It was these semi-connected communities that the Conqueror unified into the well defined Razryad during the firsts days of Ververia. Many of those communities remain extant in lowlands and swamps to this day, and form the core of the current Marshfolk culture.

Perhaps as a consequence of this, life of your average Marshfolk is much more localized than the semi-nomadic Clannsmen or the more cosmopolitan Ververians. It is quite common for Marshfolk never to have left their Razryad unless in military service.
With that being said, life in the lowlands is undeniably the most peaceful in Ververia, with no concern being given for Suuri raids, Lapsarian skirmishes, or Venitii shenanigans.

As a result of this, there is a stereotype of Marshfolk being simple, unconcerned with anything outside of their lowlands and only marginally part of Ververia, a claim they will angrily dispute, as Marshfolk take great pride in their connection to the Conqueror and to the state they live in.

So what is the deal with Ververia? They get a lot of attention on threads, but in the lore document it is just 8 pages of disorganized contradictory info.

Is anyone ever going to try to smooth things out?

>>82299816
>Is anyone ever going to try to smooth things out?
Eventually? Probably.
Though people will work in what people are interestd in, so the only person you can count on to work on something specific is yourself. Be the change you want to see in the world anon.

>>82299877
Alright, I will see what I can do

>>82299816
It's probably going to need a push like what happened for the lapsarian faith at this point, and by that I mean a massive autistic argument that leads to a bunch of good ideas and two days of rewruting to make ot all make sense.

>>82299816
>>82300002
The big questions, like how Ververia was formed, what cultures make up the country, and how they "won" the Ververian Campaign have all been generally agreed on, It's just a matter of transcribing it to the doc and cleaning it up a bit. I was planning on doing that after I finish fucking around with some maps.

The real issue is Ververian religion, which is a mess that hasn't been discussed for a while. I liked the idea of a decentralized, water linked, but not directly fish related religion for the Marshfolk, based on the Venitii reverence for the Venit, but focused on local water features instead. This would help explain why the Clannsmen's religion influenced the new Ververian faith more than the Marshfolk, as the Marshfolk religion held little sway outside of their traditional lands.
I also liked the idea that was floated around for the Clannsmen that "Clansmen have a Monolith inspired faith focused on "worshiping totems and engravings of the monolith as a proxy", which would explain the Slab density, as slabs would be something directly worshiped.".

>>82300335
I like both of your ideas for Clansmen and Marshfolk. For the Ververian (or whatever the correct ter for the unified culture is) religion, do you have any ideas?

>>82300335

It is actually kind of unclear why the Ververian Campaign happened since the religion question, and also there is little detail on it considering how important it was supposed to be.

Yeah the religion looks like a mess.

I reorganized the discussion a bit so that similar topics are close together. I also provided brief summaries, and copied in a couple missing discussions from old threads.

SO I have a proposal speciifically for CCA >>82297046

SHould we maybe take a cleu from the real world and have more land in the nOrthern than the Southern hemisüphere? By that I mean, move the Vast a little up North relative to the equator? That way i think a lot of the temparatures, like that of Jasentorf and the Suuri tundra make more sense PLUS it allows us a stretch of "exotic subtropical/tropical foreigners " along the bottom. The way it is right now I think begs a lot of questions.regarding culture vs climate, the further equatorwards you go

>>82300582
So my thoughts on the combined religion is that back when the Conqueror finished unifying Ververia, he spent much of his reign promoting unity between the two groups, (which included a marriage at Susa type deal) and part of that was promoting tolerance of each other's religious beliefs. He did not try and create a new religion, he was just trying to prevent friction between the two groups.
His closet followers and the nobles from both groups who supported him (including most were part of the mass wedding) took this to heart and formed families where their spouse followed a different religion.
In addition to this, the areas where this new group (who take the name Ververian from the Conquerors House of Verver) settled were outside of both the marshes and highlands.

Of the two cultures, the Marshfolk faced more difficulties trying to worship the same way they used to, since their worship was highly dependent on offering sacrifices and gifts to the waters that supported them, and since their rituals and worship were both localized to rivers and marshes they no longer lived by. To deal with this change, the Marshfolk took to making small shrines, usually involving water gardens or a water feature of some kind, but still yearned for their home river. As such, it became a tradition to return to the waters you came from at least once (most would visit several times over their lives) and offer a sacrifice and thanks.
Conversely, the Clannsmen's monolith-inspired faith wasn't nearly as dependent on geography, and was able to weather the change better. Totem worship and engraving went on as it always had, essentially unchanged from how it was practiced before.

Will continue.

>>82301481
The children of this new group grew up exposed to both religions and adopted both of them, taking up the worship of both the totem and the waters. This was encouraged by the Conqueror who saw it as another way to try and blend the two cultures. In practice this meant more totem-inspired worship than water worship, but both were present and influenced each other. Engravings of the waters became common on totems, the family water garden or shrine might have an engraved monolith as a focal point, while the pilgrimages have become an important rite of passage for Ververians becoming an adult.

As such the Ververians faith is stone aligned, with a totem worshiping religion that is distinct from related Clannsmen and Suuri faith by a smaller, but nonetheless important focus on the waters of Ververia.

>>82300650
That's true, why is started it still up in the air. The general course of it seemed to be agreed upon though, where Lapsaria moves into Ververia, faces long supply lines that it can't adequately protect, inefficiencies in its military, and Fabian warfare and constant guerilla attacks that turn the campaign into Lapsaria's own winter war. In the end, Lapsaria took what lands it could hold onto and all the slab dust they could grab and peaced out, with military reforms coming hot on the heels of the wars end.

Also man, good on you for reorganizing that section, it looks a lot better.

>>82301481
>>82301508
Ververia suffers from neatness syndrom.There is no land with the marshfolk and no water with the clannsmen. Why are the shrines and totems of the Marshfolk water features? Why are they not similar to waht the dominant culture has, a culture which is not geographically seperated from them anywhere?
Their shrines should be similar to the totems, they should be made of stone and its not being pure water would be a feature not a bug. You can't have the Marshfolk be active and semi-equal participants in the coutnry's politics but simultaneously isolationist traditionalists who dare not adopt scary outsider culture.

>>82301693
The Marshfolk wouldn't have shrines or totems, the Clannsmen would have totems and the mixed Ververians would have both. The mixed Ververian's descended from Marshfolk would have built shrines and gardens dedicated to the waters since they were no longer by their traditional waters. Over the centuries, these shrines and gardens might have integrated some stone related features into them that were not present originally. Likewise, the mixed Ververian's totems might have integrated some water related designs over time.

The Marshfolk who remained by their traditional waters wouldn't alter the way they worshiped because nothing had changed for them. There would be similarities between how they worship at the waters and how the mixed Ververian's worship at shrines, but the traditional Marshfolk would not integrate Clannsmen worship into their water worship.
Likewise, the Clannsmen who didn't mix with the Marshfolk and who stayed true to their Clannsmen culture wouldn't adopt the worship of the waters. There would be similarities between their worship and the mixed Ververian's worship, but without any water shrines or gardens.
It's the mixed group that has the similarities to both of the other groups in their worship.

With that being said, Ververia is a little too neat when it comes to inner strife, so why shouldn't the Marshfolk's refusal to meld with the greater whole be a sticking point for Ververia in the present day?
The Ververian's religion is more totemist than marshist, so they wouldn't have as much problems with the Clannsmen, but perhaps after the Ververian Campaign water worship becomes looked down upon by the more diehard Ververian's and Clannsmen due to perceived connections with Lapsaria's religion?

>>82297893
>>82297473
>>82297203
>>82297108
This is really good anon!

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>NEEIEIIIGHHHHGH

>>82301481
>>82301508
I still prefer the ancestor worship over just water sacred lol.
Just because it was a different idea from what we had before.

>>82304470
That's the look of a man who lost everything, good work.

>>82304470
If you aren't living in the North or the Isles, probably wouldn't be that bad to just work with animals.
Although that's mostly just the dream of being a Freeskal shepherd talking.

>>82303943
Could be something like the mummies found in the bogs were seen as sacred because the swamp saw fit to preserve them.

They could have shrines in the swamps with bodies in them that the swampfolk go to to worship.

>>82306439
guys, it's getting ridiculous. Just start a compass. Imagine someone doing a bog mummy square. All lore problems wpuld be solved

>>82306477
What are the scales however? We've had some decent ones to start, but that's always on grounds of good framework.

Dead project.

>>82306498
The main guy doing a lot of the work, CCA, has the flu. Things will slow down when the big engine is gone.

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thoughts on elephants trained in water rescue?

>>82306512
I'm sure that's the only reason why. And I'm sure you'll totally get a second momentum going.

>>82306512
We're on part seventeen. We've got a good framework and we're in an inbetween state. Not everything can be one thread per day.

>>82306515
Cute. But it does raise a question of how the fuck elephants got to the Sunset Islands.
Did the Guths just hannibal the place and they're an invasive species?

>>82306528
I mean it's also because compasses are both easy to contribute to and easy to engage with, where as working on editing/slimming down information into a coherent format/rules writing is both slow and not nearly as fun for people as drawing silly pictures.

People were talking about since the beginning that as soon as the compasses were done things would slow down considerably.

>>82306575
On a swimming elephant, you could go anywhere...

>>82306590
Strange that there doesn't seem to be much talk about what kind of system this game would use.
I mean, you guys are doing this to make a game and not just masturbatory writing, right?

>>82306637
There's one guy doing most of the work on the system and he isn't in the thread right now. See previous threads, and even the links in the OP, for the system being worked on.

>>82306637
CCA is the guy writing the system, it's built on something called 6PIP. OP has the link to the document with the basic ruleset. CCA was working on the character creation part of the doc before he got sick.

>>82306637
>Strange that there doesn't seem to be much talk about what kind of system this game would use.
Did you even check the OP? There's a whole RPG system being worked on.
And there has been some talk about using other systems, but we realized that plenty of systems can fit the bill depending on what kind of game you want to run

>>82306655
Yea but that would require doing some research, rather than just going 'oh ho ho DED hee hee.'
I imagine he's a transit from the compass thread whose ass-mad something is being worked on.

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>>82306637
Did you miss the character sheet?

>>82306575
>Guths
Bro it’s not happening
Just let it die already
No one wants your country

>>82306575
Same way exotic animals wind up anywhere I imagine

A sultan wanted one and brought them there, then they got loose and are now wild on the islands

>>82306804
We have the Renegade and his Olm man.
So it's a thing. However, now that it is a thing we enter the Collab part of this Collaboration.

To that End, I'm gonna offer up some proposals on the remaining parts of the 'west' as it were.

>>82306864
Pablo Escobar but instead of coke it's coral. And instead of hippos its Elephants. I can dig it.

So how many princedoms are there in Jasentorf?

Cause we should definitely leave a few blank to give GM’s and players something to work with for plots and backstories

>>82306940
>how many princedoms
As many as was in HRE

>>82306940
Twelve princedoms, a bunch of pretenders and fallen princedoms, and an uncountable amount of smaller powers.

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>>82290490
I did something

>>82306940
Personally I feel like the original 'thousand princ(ipalities)' is a good idea, although we should only define the regions and some of the most prominent states. Those HRE maps of Germany were a mess, but we can all pick out where Saxony and Bavaria are.

>>82306989
This. It's the 12 golden houses for a reason, but that doesn't exclude a fuckload of "smaller" nations (Some of which may even be stronger than the 12 Princedoms, but don't have the historical backing to their name)

>>82306877
We could have the wild elephants in an older more ancient sultanate or khanate or something along the more southern coast of the Vast.
Have them be the culture that originally colonized the sunset isles, before they broke away to rule themselves. Probably due to the economic boom that was the coral.

The sultans of the isles use elephants as a status symbol like their rulers before them.

>>82306995
Nice.

>>82307018
Perhaps we make distinctions between elector Princes and lesser princes? It makes Yothenstein's reunification have a lot more weight.

>>82307041
I suppose it depends on what we do with that big chunk of land in the south. Jasen neatly fills out that mountain area, while Tarca isn't all that large.
Still, we should avoid any major powers in the area. Although that applies to modern politics and not historical ones. Gimmie a second to get the map.

>>82306667
Seems like this is that dude's project. So what is everyone else doing aside from playing with wojak?

>>82307103
Writing out the fluff.

>>82307103
It’s a collaborative project. He’s doing the work on the system, we’re doing most of the world building outside of the original concept that served as a jumping off point.

>>82307127
And he contributed a lot to the fluff as well, and drew a lot of the original compass, and the map. He's definitely the biggest single contributor.

>>82307081
Well, the princes have probably a lot more rights and protections, other than being allowed to actually deal with politics.
So maybe it's one if the reason the Yosthestein Prince knows he isn't going to pay his debt and get away with it.

>>82307081
We could have the power of the original sultanate entirely eclipsed by the sunset isles and collapse into obscurity.
Most of the most important people relocating to the isles and those that didn’t cling to their traditions without the manpower or resources to accomplish much on the world stage

>>82307103
Thank god for this member of the Hooks, we got bumped back to first page.

>>82307120
>>82307127
>fluff
>worldbuilding
So nothing?

>>82307160
>the setting of a ttrpg doesn’t matter
Go play some d&d

>>82307146
>A Lot
He's done a fair amount of work, but Leviathan lives on the collaborative element. Which in turn provides him a framework of what the game systems are designed for.

>>82307169
Most /tg/ settings are massive shit. "Dude I'm being creative I threw together some random setting elements and DUDE BEAR ARMS LMAO." This is how this "Radon and Raiders" shit started, it was basically Fallout in Britain with some Arthurian legend shit thrown in. It's completely forgettable in every way. Nothing about it is interesting. Yet, because it is "original," we must all bow down and worship it. Yes, we must all bow at the altar of creativity, we must not give in to the temptation of hating what made /tg/ so good in the "old days." Except what /tg/ made was always shit. Very few of /tg/'s "original ideas" are any good. They are just random setting elements mashed together, with some random art found on some obscure blog, with nothing interesting to tie it together, just random flavortext. None of these settings are interesting enough to be worth developing or publishing for anything outside your own playgroup.

Stop posting this garbage.

>>82307198
That and we're probably gonna be writing out the character paths within the system when cca's is feeling better.

>>82306493
Mountain <---> Marsh
Seethe <---> Cope
The second axis may be a meme but it can work on how they are dealing with the results of the Lapsarian war

>>82307219
Nah

>>82307219
I know you're terrified of being cringe and the easiest way to not be cringe is to take off your pants and shit on something in public.
But please, this is embarrassing.

>>82307146
>He's definitely the biggest single contributor.
Maybe, but it's far from being a majoritay position. I appreciate all, of CCA's contributions, and there's no denying we wouldn;t be here without him, but the setting is a collaborative project first and foremost. The system is his and well deservedly so, but the setting has no majoritary contributor other than me. That's right baby, I wrote 90% of the docs and you can't prove me wrong

>>82307261
kek.

>>82307221
I am looking forward to it, there's some real meat potential there when the actual base is hammered out..

>>82307261
Could it be? The legendary Armadillo of Hubris?

>>82307230
Since the war was won, it would definitely be less seething and coping, but I do like how the war's impact could be used as an axis.

>>82307219
>how dare you enjoy a creative project that’s on topic for the board
>I don’t like it when people around me make things

>>82307291
Can't be, I'm the armadillo.
And I'm a being of autism, not hubris.

>>82307310
>how dare you enjoy a creative project
If you want to write dumb shit go to /lit/
>b-buh they won't tolerate my bullshit there!
And rightfully so, but it's still much more on topic with literature than it is about rolling dice and wargame miniatures.

>>82307327
>>82307261
>>82307291
No brothers, I’m the armadillo

>>82307350
Nah, i'm the armadillo, and I can prove it.
I was writing the docs around 1:30 am when I said good night to the anon, and he made the meme saying the same time, meaning that we share the same timezone.

>>82307344
If you think the shits so dumb, contribute something
If you don’t want to, there’s plenty of other threads on the board, you don’t need to waste your time being butthurt here

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So this is the situation as of yet in very rough terms. At the moment whatever is happening in the south, on the whole it is an disunified mess.
Red area is is completely undefined, while the same can be said of the opposite area on the other side of the continent. Focus should be aimed at

>>82306493
survival - glory
Blood - Bone

Do it, it's getting very necessary

>>82307457
I think you made jasen too fat

>>82307463
For which faction?

>>82307457
Jasentorf is too big and the euator too high up

>>82307457
Focus should be aimed at the stuff we already have Desu

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>>82307157
>>82307103

>>82307448
>If you think the shits so dumb, contribute something
Not obligated to contribute.

>If you don’t want to, there’s plenty of other threads on the board, you don’t need to waste your time being butthurt here
The tabs at the top of your screen exist for a reason.

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>>82307457
Wasn't this the last map?
CCA was going to add more mountains to jasen, but I don't think it was by giving them more territory.

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>>82307498
Got cucked by being too slow again

>>82307479
north, ververia and suuri. blood and bonr can be repkaces with march mountain idc

>>82307457
This whole map needs to be reworked as explained here >>82297005 >>82296931
Reworked as in, it can (and needs) to go way further south, for it to be a single mega continent. Though I'm not opposed to any of the suggestions here, we just need to know that the continent can (and should) expand way further south than is shown here

>>82307557
Adding ververia to the norf would make it too crowded.

>>82307515
>>82307457
A lot of things need to be changes now that the scale has changed.

>>82307515
Man I just grabbed the last map I saw, under the assumption that it was the newest. That said it does work a bit better as the problem with reaching for those mountains was that it was definitely on the large side. We need more mountains in the final product though.

>>82307498
>>82307540
Fuckin Saved. Now I just need an Auntie image.

>>82307540
More memes/bait replies are always a good thing!

>>82307570
Just scale up the map.
The only reason that it became that small was because someone complained it was too big and CCA overreduced the size.

Has CCA described how high fantasy characters are supposed to be? As in how much of a hero should I expect my PC to be?

I don't like the idea of playing super mudcore shitfests.

>>82307597
I think Lapsaria is a good size, it's like 1.2x the size of mexico (would be the 10th biggest country on earth in the modern age).

Extending the continent down would be better than changing Lapsaria's size.

>>82307604
We would know more when doing the backgrounds, but he got the flu.
Apparently you can just give the PCs more point to make them stronger if you want.

>>82307604
We’ll the setting itself is fairly low fantasy and grounded, the examples given for roll checks seem to be more on the side of campy adventure, like Indiana Jones

>>82307604
While this is more on the grounded side, I'd definitely say this isn't mudcore. Low-end characters will be fairly mundane, but there is a lot of growth options.
Consider how Stone-Singers will be a progression choice.

>>82307604
The examples for characters CCA used in examples are a:
>former soldier
>university researcher
>mountaineer
So grounded, but the situation in the examples describes them eluding a chase from a bunch of police then breaking into a rich guy's house.

>>82307562
I agree with >>82307613

I also don't see why a smaller planet would be inherently bad. That is if you (as me) can ignore things that may come with that, smaller gravitational force, a moon influencing ebb and flood far more than on earth etc.

On that note, is there some lore on high/low tide? Might be an interesting topic.

>>82307568
well neither will happen because of this dilly dallying

>>82307728
Just make the moon smaller too.
And people don't walk as fast because they are lazy.

>>82307291
How about preparation vs boasting?
The war was won, but they lost a bunch of territory, and slabs with it, which are probably sacred or important.

>>82307515
which one is supposed to be the equator

>>82307728
Or just make most of the planet ocean

>>82307773
The middle one anon, it goes from to to bottom.

>>82307773
The middle one, this was before things were resized.

>>82307773
>>82307728
I think making the world slightly more even ocean/earth would be better since The Vast is so comically large.

>>82307728
Personally, I feel like we can actually make better use of the Vast and the Deep. Currently neither of them feel aptly represent just how large they should be.

>>82307800
I mean, the Vast is 99% wasteland. We were discussing additions to it and how pilgrimages work.

What we got was:
>cultures similar to Bedouins traverse the edges of the Vast
>Pilgrimages to the interior are very dangerous, but possible (particularly with guides)
>Massive Monsoons from the world ocean come in every few years during Monsoon Season and soak parts of The Vast, making Pilgrimages easier that season
>Since Lapsaria have declared open hostilities against the Monolith there have only been a few prime pilgrimage seasons
>The Bedouin cultures are actively hostile towards Lapsaria expeditions

>>82307850
Maybe we should add more mountains and rifts to the wastelands to make crossing it even harder?

>>82307772
I like this.
Wisdom vs Arrogance

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>>82307585
> spoiler

>>82307905
Gimmie.

>>82307887
Prudence vs Pride

>>82307886
and those bedouins use climbing equipment, secret underground tunnels and maybe some kind of large mountain goats to travel

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>>82307792
>>82307793
If pic related is the correct scale, we should just have a small continent and move sunset islands further south.

>>82307772
Ethnic maps don't really reflect large losses, unless all territory lost was Venitii territory

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>>82307291
>>82307327
>>82307350
>>82307408

>>82307886
Idk, a vast open territory in which everyone or everything hostile can spot you from miles away seems even harder to traverse. On the other hand, I've always imagined the vast as mostly desert and wasteland for no particular reason

>>82307944
The continent should not be that small. If it's a Pangea it needs to take up at least 20% of the surface of the planet or we're in full water world.

>>82307995
Filled with screaming rock eating retards.

>>82308041
Better than the screaming people eating retards atleast

>>82307995
I think just open wasteland
bordering the Ocean seems unrealistic from the means of geography, We should add at least one high mountain range at the southern coast to block humid ocean winds from reaching the wasteland. Though Northern coast may be something like Namib or Atakama desert.

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>>82307944
I was thinking of expaning the cotinent as such (Maybe even further horizontally, but that would throw Kyoguro off map, though that'd be fitting considering they're meant to be almost unknown)

>>82308093
The Vast is big so I think there could be different landscapes.

>>82307923
>>82307887
I like both of these

>>82308093
Plenty of deserts directly border the ocean with only extremely small barriers directly next to the water. It is dependent on whether the wind is blowing towards or away from the continent. If it is blowing away then the vast can go with up to the shoreline.

Deserts in Africa, South America, and Asia all border the ocean.

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Would something like this work?

>>82308159
Yeah, I have mentioned the Namib desert, though it seems strange when you have those deserts on both shores.

>>82308187
Just use mountain and marsh.
The compass should be in english, you can put the scottish in the wojak itself.

>>82308187
I would say Highland and Marsh but otherwise I like it

>>82308200
That's the thing, if the continent is big enough they will touch both shores at different latitudes.

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>>82308099
It'd be something like this overlayed on the world map (notice the equator is a bit further north, so the world would be smaller than earth)

>>82308227
Extend the continent east to make the vast thicker east to west.

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>>82308255
Thought the same thing after I posted

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>>82308227

>>82308298
>>82308227
(I sure hope either CCA or someone else who actually knows how to make maps is able to do this well)

>>82308315
Kyugoryo should be closer to the equator, because that's where moist rain will actually be coming off the ocean. It's in primary dry zone atm.

>>82308315
It looks like a fish.

>>82308320
>>82308315
Like this, exactly

>>82308332
Currently it's a bit below the 45 degrees mark, so near real life corea, japan and nortehrn china.
It could possibly be a bit furtehr south, but its current position does work.

Just spitballing but since we're ending up expanding all the compasses might as well do an ocean one and come up with some more minor and local fish gods.

Vast vs Shallow

Aloofness vs Observant

Hows does this sound or something sort of like this

>>82308409
Deep vs shallow, vast is the name of the continent.

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>>82297294
>>82290490
>>82306995
Added Funky Shelled Diogenes

>>82308409
I like it, but we should focus on finishing the other compasses first. We still have the Sunset and Jasentorf compasses to finish, and the Masovii and Hasyyim ones to start as well.

>>82308520
The sea dollar hat looks like raw pizza dough when it's smaller.

>>82308557
>Masovii and Hasyyim
Don;t forget the Northern one!

>>82308566
And ververia too.

>>82308566
Oh yeah, gotta get the Suuri done too. I want to say there was one being floated around for the Durites.

>>82308409
I'd agree on one condition. That everything is viewed from the lens of the Shore.
The ocean ought to be kept enigmatic.

>>82308563
Damn, any idea how to fix this?

>>82308597
I'm working on something, trying to make it look a bit more like a decorated rice hat.

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>>82308520
Could we expand the Sunset Isles' military a little?
Categories we could add:
>military elite, something like pic related?
>lowest common denominator soldier, something that could be a PC background
>generals?
>greek fire alchemist

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>>82308633
Here. Now I'm going to try and merge with the shell version.

>>82308557
no we dont need to focus. many irons in the fire is productive

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>>82308719
Damn, you seem like a much better artist than me. Here's the shell i used, but feel free to redraw the shell if you feel like it.

>>82308585
Agree on this, but how would that even work. Most people outside of the hooks and partly the secret police and highest gouvernment even know about them
>>82308520
Really like it! Don't much care about his hat looking like a pizza in the non-zoomed image, everybody looking at it has to zoom in to read anyway. Only thing I have to add is that I did like the wording "shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans' more to underscore the irony. But that may just be me as esl prefering a pronounciation that isn't needed and looks too in-your-face if that makes sense

>>82307800
they are deliberately remote

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>CCA is editing the rules document

>>82308758
>I did like the wording "shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans' more
I might be blind, but other thanr fame -> prestige what changed?

>>82308758
a deep compass is the exact opposite of what the compass is for. Leave deep stuff to the cultures it influences.

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>>82308742
Nah, it's just because you tried to achieve something different.

>>82308671
I think the idea is to have them be more of an economic power and their military might is less important due to the remoteness of their location.

So the elite fighters would likely be naval soldiers or something like that

>>82308409
Eh, I'm not sold on this one. I think the deeps are better left, as >>82308789 suggests, as influences and as references in other compasses. Making a deep compasss would be the same as admitting what's actually down there, while doing it through references leaves it open for interpretation

>>82308671
just fucking... draw a wojak of it. That's how you advance the lore

>>82308409
I'm gonna go ahead and ask you not to do that

>>82308671
We could, but if you want something added to the compass I recommend either giving a full on text description to make it easier for artfags, or better yet, provide the art.

>>82308828
>draw a wojak
or you know, an original design to curb the memespam

>>82308187
i hope this is north in general and not just ververia. Because if it's just Ververia it will NOT get full

>>82308903
It's just ververia.
And it might get full if someone does things for it.

>>82308409
Bad plan

We should avoid expanding on the fish gods as much as possible

They’re meant to be eldritch, let’s keep them this way

>>82308891
nah, draw over a meme to keep the coherent artstyle. I've done things like king fisher, the whale, zhe lime deer, bunch of other stuff, but i always come back to wojaks and pepes because that is an easy aesthetic for less talented artists to stick by, and so we can be truly collaberative with the art.

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>>82308800
Done!
>>82308758
>"shuns wealth and fame" and 'his fame will outlast most sultans'
I think that sounds a bit repetitive, so I'd rather keep it as it is. Though if you are extremelly particular about it I see no issue in changing it.

>>82308671
The isles simply don't have the metals or the bodies for an Immortal type unit. However the Islands are more indusive to other types of warrior.
>Mercenaries; Lapsarian, Veverian & Jasen soldiers already well armed and armoured are worth their weight in sugar, as not only body-guards but commanders and trainers
>Furies; A distinct class of warrior that is more egalitarian in recruitment based on weapons skill, light armour, and extreme chemical intakes to render them immune to pain
>Nobles; The upper class expected to take arms, well armoured (with import metal) and disciplined, usually a Sultan relies on these three for their core forces
>Common Scum; Pirates, Tribal Raiders and the like, offered riches by Sultans to harass their enemies, drift about the Isles like roving dogs
>Tribal Retinues; For the Sultans on the fringes of civilization, warriors are expected to serve their sultan in exchange for tribal rights
>Slaves and Commoners; Largely underutilized aside total war, Sultans are very weary of populist and slave revolts, and such masses are minimally armed and armoured
>Hiejies; A new class of local mercenary that utalize exclusive foreign weapons and the run-offs of Lapsarian military goods. Use more modern guns and notably ambitious.

>>82308929
I'll make a couple characters in a bit.

>>82308929
bad idea. Let's see if maybe we get some stuff at least to spite me.

>>82308967
>>82308929
oh wait i actually did a clannsman. He's somewhere one or two threads back

>>82308934
>>82308850
We've got at least 6 fish eldritch gods adding in more minor ones wouldn't be out of place, nor would it explain anything away.

>>82309125
>at least 6 fish eldritch gods
What? There are 4 from the original compass + the Deep Forest, which is more of a force of nature than an actual eldritch god, so I wouldn't really count it.

>>82309125
it'd be dumb as fuck to do it through a dedicated deep compass

>>82309157
He's probably counting the Coral "gods", which are just false Stone gods.

>>82309157
I'm counting it, as well as the starfish that should be being added to one of the compasses.

>>82308409
Maybe we could do a compass for ocean cultists if you're set on expanding the, but on the gods themselves? That's a big no no

>>82308520
>that beekeeper
>that biologist
Well fucking done, lads

I personally would rather make a compass for Grand Chruvir the city, or make a map for the city.

>>82309125
Thing is, in shadow over innsmouth the fish deity was weird because it was unique to the area.

If we start putting fish gods all over the place it’s gonna cheapen it, even if it’s just a few

>>82309208
That's fair enough.

>>82309178
>I'm counting it
Well you shouldn't
> as well as the starfish that should be being added to one of the compasses.
Well, you shouldn't be counting it either, seeing as it is a) nt in any compass yet and b) not even agreed upon as to what it is.
>>82309204
I think for cities maps would be a bigger priority. CCA mentioned he has some experience with ity level maps, but we'll probably need more people if we're to map the major cities (I think just Chruvir, Synance and maybe Monx would be neough at first, as these seem to be the most likely main points of player activity)

>>82297046
Reposting this, did anything come of her?

>A beautiful young sculptor emerges in one of the cities, crafting a masterpiece
>Her heritage becomes the source of much debate, as it is unclear whether she is of Durite or Lapsarian origin
>The debate carries with it the weight of propaganda as the Durites wish to claim her and her work as a symbol of the rebirth of the Stonesong and of Durite nationalism
>The Lapsarians wish to claim her as a way to humiliate the Durites -- "we can outdo you at your own ancestral arts"
>Who is she? What did she sculpt? Does she have the gift of Stonesong?

>>82308187
Full Marsh, no prudence or pride because he never saw the war

The Bog Body
>Preserved by the Marsh
>Honored by their descendants
>In death as was in life

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>>82309017
>>82308929
found it.

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>The Ververian Unicorn
>the body of a horse, the feet and tail of a lion, the horn of a narwhal
>once found throughout the Suuri Tundra, now only a handful remain in the Chattani Valley
>symbol of resistance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enq2pFpBz1s

Just in case anyone is confused, yes this is a wooly rhino

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>>82309306
Shit

>>82309326
would you mind if I did a different drawing for that?

>>82309340
Go for it

>>82309235
The great reef would be practically an entity all of its own unless we've come to the decision it's just a part of father oyster.
>not even agreed upon as to what it is.
>>>82293781
both seem to be accepted fairly well

>>82309376
>The great reef would be practically an entity all of its own unless we've come to the decision it's just a part of father oyster.
Nah. I like the Reef and the Forest Vibing. Blind Idiot Things unaware of the heresy they represent. And only the humble parrot fish keeps them in line.

>>82309376
>The great reef would be practically an entity all of its own
If you need to describe it as an entity it's much closer to the Monolith than any of the fishgods, as it is explicitly thoughtless. Plus, there's nothing attributed to it other than making part of teh reefs, aka, a natural force.
> both seem to be accepted fairly well
The Starved Sun especially seems to be from his previous descriptions more of a beast than an actual eldritch entity. It might be seen as a god by some, but it's nowhere near as influent of powerful as the already estabilished entities.

>>82309376
everything is an entity of its own.
The Reef is entity: epic, style: vibing. That's all we need to know.
Get out of here with the terrible deep compass idea

>>82309514
The reef and forest at the bottom of the sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5yXIsfCcO8

>>82309545
>King Fisher in the other room trying to sleep

>>82309571
>Releases the parrotfish

We could just make the reef and the forest part of the same entity

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>>82309613
I thought that was the case anyway
>>82309326

>>82309613
They are, the are both large, spreading coral groups..
What changes it's their location, and since they have no mind or goals, it's effectively just another being, even though it's the same shit.

>>82309628
Looks cool, although I would change the crown to have twigs instead of leaves.
Don't know why, just my gut feeling.

>>82309651
I specifically did leafs to show that it si something fresh put in by worshippers and not part of the mumified body

>>82309613
I mean, on a genetic level they're probably the same thing, but the distinction should be made as they're very different.
The Reef is on the level of a legend. It's like Atlantis because it's out there doing loop-de-loops on the currents, while the Forest is responsible for an entire region's economy and a not insignificant part of the landmass.

>>82309628
Very nice.

>>82309628
>Bog Ancestor

>>82309326
>Hill Ancestor

At some point when the Marshmen and the Highlanders were kicking the shit out of each other, did they just rip one another's metaphorical pants off and see they were bothing wearing polka-dot underoos.

>>82309255
Love the idea, but as has been said already: if nobody else picks it up and makes a pic or whole compass entry, you'll need to find someone or do it yourself

Is there a particular reason why Leviathan seems to garner hate? It's the wojaks I'm guessing.

>>82309657
Fair.
maybe make the body a bit bluer to have a greater contrast against the leaves? Something is telling me that the leaves are weird I don't know why.

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>>82308099
Kyoguro is definitely on the other end of thecontinent, so off-map.

And I am still vouching for Nottomans in free space. They would fit the setting too perfectly, their esthetics rocks, and that way Lapsaria is not the only country going industrial.

>>82309690
This is just typical 4chan behavior. See something you don't like, then try to shit it up. Just ignore and report.

>>82309690
Every one of these projects gets a few dedicated shitposters.
The fact that we only got one so far, he quit for quite a while and hasn't made an impact has been very weird actually.

>>82309694
>Kyoguro is definitely on the other end of thecontinent, so off-map.
I agree, but off-map depends on how wide the continent actually is

>>82309694
>and that way Lapsaria is not the only country going industrial.
lmao, what a desirable consequence!

>>82309694
>Nottomans that are somehow not the sick man of the setting
Blasphemy.

>>82309694
Masovii is.
To have another country full on industry, they will either need black salt or oil.
So maybe a southern salt plains? If there are two countries with a bargain it will weaken the whole thing.

>>82309690
Part of it is the wojaks. They see them and think there’s nothing more to it than the surface level memes.

The other part is people see writing a setting as not /tg/ enough

And then there’s the how dare you like things I don’t like fags that have been hitting the black salt hard

>>82309690
It's been on the catalogue for too long, so people hate on it. This is the way of things. Just ignore them, the best way to shut them up is not do what I just did (give them attention) but provide content

I think we should all agree Lapsaria is the only one with an oil-based economy. Every other industrial power is Salt based.

>>82309763
They do give us free bumps tough.

>>82309768
and not really industrial in the fullest sense.

>>82309807
Even if we limit them to 1820's tech, things can get pretty industrial.

>>82309768
Otherwise the bargain is either not unique or unnecessary, both of which I would say are undesireable

I dunno what to draw next. I kinda wanna do the Alerian Prince but we've already got so many Alerians. Any open prompts for >>82308949 ?

>>82309816
I think the idea was industrialization in masovii was developing but not really there yet.
And Jasentorf isn’t industrial at all

>>82309768
Unless they somehow can get enough oil from their dredge pit equivalent to get oil.
But even them it's bad, because now you have a nation that has it's cake and ate it too.
Still like the idea the the suuri tundra has the potential to be dredged, because it's a hostile place, something only a PC going out of their way to find out, and it means having to deal with the internal schemes of Lapsaria as well to even start, a good mix of exploration, adventure, combat and intrigue.

>>82309721
Yes, because it implies a WW1 scenario in a century or so. Even if Lapsaria survives its current struggles, the Nottomans will eventually catch up in tech and meet themin the battlefield.
Masovii could fill that role, but they are also close enough to fight and defeat (assuming ideal circumstances for not!russians).

The point is : I don't like having a single industrial power in the entire world, beccause real life has proven how horrifyingly imbalanced industry is. In the current setting, I feel like, if Lapsaria doesn't collapse right now, it will steamroll the entire planet in the next 50 years.

Imagine if the UK never had to contend with France or Russia.

>>82309735
Errr... Yeah. They are probably have corruption galorre/are in the middle of a civil war.
They are far away, anyway, who cares.

>>82309864
There were a couple some threads back, will see if I can find them

>>82309864
I liked the Masovii Shell-Carver
>Left the Lechte to make a name for himself
>Now a wealthy man
>Well regarded for his skill
>Married a local woman

>>82309903
there are some hitns of small, local idnustrialization going on in Jasentorf, but just to kind of keep it in a good flow with tis neighbours.
>>82309945
>The point is : I don't like having a single industrial power in the entire world, beccause real life has proven how horrifyingly imbalanced industry is. In the current setting, I feel like, if Lapsaria doesn't collapse right now, it will steamroll the entire planet in the next 50 years.
Yea I imagine it's hard not liking the basic premise of a setting you are participating in.

>>82309945
Personally, I feel like a Mamluk Faction might be better suited. Or maybe something Andalusian.

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>>82309768
>>82309945
Yeah, of course. Nottomans would be Black Salt-based. They shouldn't be as strong as the main faction, just clearly on the same path.

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>>82309571
>>82309545

>>82309684
I'll see if I can do up something tonight

>>82309982
I'm fucking dying.

>>82309968
Yeah, Mamluk is good.
There are already andalusians in Tarca, but it's after they lost.

>>82309982
Marvelous.

I have added the basic framework for backgrounds into the backgrounds section of the rules document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kV4IkD7O2qFX6C0YYZQ78SBqpcJv07uy72ow-Mcvt3g/edit?usp=sharing

It is under the section titled Backgrounds, which contains both an example, the description of what a background is, and the rules for creating a background. Please look this over.

Now, I realize that this will be a bit hard because not all skills are entirely clear on their usages, but if someone has a question I will be at all points available to clarify as I continue to fill things out.

>>82310008
Makes sense. Personally I'm just trying to think of ways to keep this region from just having another Empire. Tarca is a good start and ties Jasentorf to the south.
This area also being a stone's throw away from the interior also allows for a degree of black salt utilization, however I feel it best to hard lock their progression to something.
Maybe it's better to start with cultures? We already have five kingfoms in Tarca.

>>82310055
Well, their cultures are similar, bit different, to avoid yet another balkanized shithole, and just have a regular shithole instead.

>>82310037
he returns

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>>82310008
>>82309968
Our current setting is mainly inspired by eastern european, central asian and central european cultures in the 17th-19th century. I see Nottomans as an absolutely obvious inclusion, even if it is just background. Mamelukes are cool, but they fit more in the sunset islands (mediteranean arabs).

Though Janissaries and Mamelukes are essentially the same thing. You can fuse them andhave the Nottomans be ruled by decadent warrior-slaves. It explains their current irrelevance, makes them the sickman of the setting, and maintains their core identity

>>82310095
So basically, Amedone is more Jasen like, more decentralized with manors and nobles.
Mesmire was also a kingdom, but it was way more centralized, having their nobility be basically courtier and officers for the kings. One of the reason the capital was moved there even though they are the junior partner.
Sacrevil was a theocracy, with some independent villages scattered around.
Galbrela was a sultanate, since the ruler was an invading sunseter, but the place itself is a melting pot.
Fesingia was a confederation/alliance of tribes, villages and cities.
There were other minor powers, most of them vassals to one of these big kingdom, but b the time of the unification they were already assimilated by the big players.

>>82310148
They were on the rise to be an empire, but them the jannielucks did their coup and the place started to stagnate.

>>82310148
The sick man thing was a bit of a joke. They can be a regional power. Maybe even have some fingers in the Sunset Isles.

>>82310037
Took me a minute to realize the difference between minor spec and minor focus was the change of 1-word lmao.

Anyhow from what I can see so far the Backgrounds and Perks should be probably done after we have skills/equipment/rituals all done just for sake of making it slightly more coherent.

>>82310037
>thinking anyone will contribute something more substantial than idea-guying

Here's an idea for the Nottomans: they're a lot more into ghosts than the rest of the settings. Big on seances and such.

I'm totally not basing this on the fact I'm watching Ghostbusters right now.

>>82309947
I like it too. It's nice and simple, but it's got something to it.

>>82310261
Woah there Sligaffi, ease on the salt or you might overdose.

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>>82310218
>>82310227
>Strong, yet fragile empire
>By "empire" I mean many vassalstates and a loyal core culture
>startproxy war with Lapsaria in th sunset islands
>lose (Bargain, ironclads, etc...)
>Central power weakened, Janneluks take the power.
>Sultan is a drugged puppet
>their industry is black salt-based. Kinda shit, but it is still industry.

>>82310350
I'd add.
>Military powerhouse, came to prominence after Jasen's Collapse
>Slowly losing Ground as the tribal kingdoms get stronger each year

>>82310037
Gonna comment here since suggesting on the doc feels clunky, For the Affluent perk what is the USD equivalent of 100 munt, and is that enough to start the game with a magic item of some sort, or would it just cover normal 'adventuring' gear.

>>82310350
I was thinking the janneluks would have come to power before the Bargain, maybe early in the reign of the last Tsar.

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>Once a humble fisherman
>Anointed by a whale's bowels
>Loved by many, hunted by more
>They only desire his secretions
>The sacred oil

>>82310438
Based.

>>82310438
I am both intrigued and terrified.

>>82310438
nice

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>>82310438
>They only desire his secretions
I'm too afraid to ask.

>>82310438
shouldn'T they have yellow eyes?

>>82310037
I have a few ideas for backgrounds, but i'm going to step away for a bit, so 'm leaving them here to not forget
Nomad (kossoki, durite)
Migrant (sligaff, durite)
Homesteader (bandree, lapsarian, aemiid)
Capri Bay Refugee (Lapsarian, yechod)

>>82310490
Feel free to edit yellow eyes onto the guy if you like, I didn't feel confident enough to make ones that look good.

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>>82310489
>Unzips the sacred fluid dispenser

>>82310438
Ok but how is it different from the savant

>>82310608
I mean it isn't but it's cool nonetheless.

>>82310608
The Savant is something purposefully created.
The Idol is what happens when a man jumps into a bloated whale and explodes.

To that end, he's fucking doomed.

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>>82310507
Here you go
>>82310608
It's for the isles

>>82310632
That's great.
>>82310608
This guy (>>82310631) has the gist of it, but I'll elaborate.
Whatever happened in the guts of the whale means that the poor fucker's body produces the oil. He literally sweats the stuff. He's a one-in-a-million freak accident and pretty much anyone who's interested in oil will want to get their hands on him. He's just an anomaly and a living adventure hook for the Isles.

>>82309326
Hill Ancestor
>beloved children of the highlands
>interred on the snowfields, standing erect
>the once living totems

>>82310752
>Standing erect

>>82310806
I'm glad I'm not the only one who read it that way.

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>>82310806
>>82310809
standing tall pry would sound better. Was trying to imply something like this, but as a graveyard type deal.

>>82310833
wtf is that from?

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>>82310806
>"By the way... do you happen to know what the fine is here in Veveria for necrophilia? Just asking."

>>82310842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vyKkOZ_JY

>>82310836
Dead Russian propped up in the snow by the Finns during the winter war. I think that's the only picture of one, but it happened several documented times during the war as a scare tactic.

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>>82309255
>>82310002
>>82309684
Here's a quick and dirty attempt, I'm no artist. The block in the back is supposed to be uncut stone.

>>82310881
Damn I bet she has a pretty cute dick

>>82310888
>a pretty cute chisel

>>82310881
>The Mysterious Stonecarver
>The Unwilling Stonesinger

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>finally curious enough about these threads to look into them
>it's shit

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>>82310632
>>82310438
Nice

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>>82310959
My contribution for out new shitposting tradition.

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The Ververian Guerilla
>lost home and family during the war
>kills Laps out of duty, not pleasure
>misses his farm
>has the admiration of the nation, would rather have his family

>>82310881
>Crafted a masterpiece but fame has turned sour
>No one knows what her heritage is, but all claim her
>Doesn't know what "Stonesong" means, doesn't want to
>Wishes she could sleep through the music she hears each night
>Or through the shouts of the crowds outside her workshop during the day

>>82310881
Here, let's say she's called: "The Unwilling Prodigy"

>>82311828
This is good, how about her writeup be:

>Crafted a masterpiece but fame has turned sour
>No one knows her heritage, all claim her
>Durites say she has the Stonesong
>Laps say she puts the simple Durites to shame
>She just sculpts the music she hears each night

What do you anons think?

>Kemraats
>The Auspicious Army, composed of vaster feral, Mountaineer and damp-heretic children enslaved from youth were an army without equal employed by the Black Gate under the Sultan of Sultans
>In its heyday the Kemraats turned the tide of the sheered cape, securing the dominion of the black gate and reclaiming suzerainty of the glass cape and her surrounding territories
>However the Ambitions of the Monarch would spell an end to this golden age, with interests on the Northern Kingdoms, Satraps, the Southern Salt-Wastes and the Isles draining the Gate's coffers
>The Final blows would come with the complete loss of the Northern Army in Tarca and the overthrowing of the old Gate-Aligned Ultassoi Sultan, officially bankrupting the state
>In the subsequent collapse the Kemraats seized the Black Gate and the Royal Heartlands, destroying their rivals in the Ageriate Bureaucrats, the Marble Harpers and the Old Nobility
>With this shattering the Black-Gate and all affiliated territories fell to the Auspicious Army, who retain the Sultan of Sultans, his household and harem as puppets
>The Kemraats have stabilized the finances of the empire and managed to recoup the losses of the shattering, but they remain divided by council rule and reliance on strict old fashioned martial techniques and Black-Salt reliance

>The Black Gate
>Located in the far south along the old sea-wall lies the Black Gate, a vast bridge that spans the harbour of the city bearing the same name. As long as anyone can remember the granite walls have guarded the coast, and their origins remain contentious.
>Any major power in the Glass Cape has always sought to capture the Gate and surrounding city to cement their regional authority, with the Gate often overshadowing the temporal owners.
>Traditional religion of the south honours the Gate but does not worship it, and there are allegations that the lost Yechod homeland included the Gate, though most major scholars reject the theory.

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A pearl-obsessed dandy for the Prosperity - Coral section of the Isles. I'll let others add more detail if they want to, or come up with fluff.

>>82311999
Those are some reverse satan numbers you got there.
Still, worthy as always.
>Pearl-Obsessed Dandy
>Oil is temporary, Pearls last forever
>His rising wealth unnerves the Royals
>Ruthless as much as he is Generous
>Intruiged by tales of the Nemijski

>>82311999
I really dig that, nice work

>The Nacreous Nawab

>Has followed the path of Grit, is now himself an object refined
>Takes pearls of substance
>Dispenses pearls of wisdom
>Welcome in any court that can pay his toll

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The King
>The will of the Marshes
>He bears the Gun
>The Crown is united

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>>82312231
Too medieval. Maybe something more like pic related.

>>82312299
I knew someone was going to say that.
He doesn't have a coif, it's a Venitii hood without the mask, because he represents the marshlands and that's the traditional wear.
And his "cape" is actually the Ververian flag.

>>82312331
Could be a little more clear then.

>>82312336
How? Now amount of detail will make people not see the hood as a coif.

>>82312347
It could look more like fabric. Embroidered.

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>>82312347
I mean, I tired another version, but I ended up with this.

>>82312331
That does make a lot of sense, although he does look a bit out of time. Hm.
Either an Ermine scarf or something around the crown maybe...
Or maybe a crest of some kind on the shoulder?

>>82312359
Stand; Sekkusu Pisutoruzu

>>82312353
>>82312360
I will try that, see if makes it better.

>>82312359
Maybe he could be wearing a ceremonial mask? I remember someone suggesting that the Marshfolk still wear the masks in battle, so maybe they also have ceremonial ones too? Might help people connect to to the Venitii hoods too.

>>82312416
Yeah, if he's a king, then he's gonna have more than just a hood and a regular mask. He's gonna have the best hood and mask out of them all.

>>82312416
>>82312425
A mask might make t look even more medieval.
Unless I go with a smaller mask, instead of a full face one.

>>82312416
>>82312425
>>82312443

While the Marshers are cousins to the Venitii they do have their own style of things. That allows a bit of creative freedom. We should consider something like late Carnivale or Mardi Gras, Opulent and Baroque.

>>82312454
>We should consider something like late Carnivale or Mardi Gras, Opulent and Baroque.
Definately agree to that.

Side note, though: How does Ververia make its money?

>>82312471
That's the thing. It don't.

>>82312425
Clubs have been mentioned before as being important to the Ververian's so maybe a fancy club/scepter too?
>>82312443
Yeah, it could just be one of those eye masks you see.

>>82312484
Well, it's got to have an economy of some kind.

>>82312471
Taxes.

>>82312495
Of course, but by comparison to everyone else stated Veveria is very lacking economically.
No doubt there are mines in the hills, timberworks and traditional manufacturing guilds, but these are not well developed.

Of course that WAS the case, and after the war the country is no doubt investing in changes.

>>82312471
I'd imagine they really aren't all that connected to the world economy. They border a hostile nation to the east, and hostile tribes to the north and west. There would be naval trade to Jasentorf and Freeskalon, but it wouldn't be driving the kingdoms economy or anything.

The only big thing that has been mentioned as a possible export are the high-quality ornately-carved and decorated flintlock rifles the Ververian's make, which could be popular amongst foreign nobility as sporting pieces.

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>>82311999
>>82312131
Looks pretty dandy!

>>82313184
Looks fine indeed.

I think we should set a hard cap on 6x6s for future compasses just so we can ensure we're making sure everything is mutually developed. Anything larger and we'll risk over-developing for the time being.

>>82313199
I agree. For teh side compasses start with a 4x4, and if it proves neecessary expand to a 6x6. Anything larger will either take very long to fill, or take too many resources from other parts of teh setting for the time being

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I tried changing a few ting

>>82313219
There we go.

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>>82313219
And now with a mask

>>82313219
I think the color being a grey-sih tint will keep passing the idea it's a coif. Maybe try a dark buish green?
Or not, it may just be me being autistic