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>>82256798
Compass

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>>82256803
Character Sheet (WIP)

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>>82256809
Jasentorf Compass

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>>82256821
Sunset Isles Compass (WIP)

>>82256828
Notes on basic character creation outline:
>The character creation resource are Character Points (CP)
>Character points are spent on 3 main things, Increasing your Statistics, Increasing your Skills, and Perks
>during character creation Character Points can also be exchanged for additional currency
>All skills and statistics begin at 1
>Increasing Skills costs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
>Increasing Statistics costs 3, 5, 7, 9, 11
>Buying Perks costs an amount dependent on the Perk
>Perks come in two flavors, ones that interact with dice, and 'Quality' perks, which add a definition to your character (Such as 'Stone Touched', 'Oil Altered', etc.), Quality perks are used to qualify for things.
>Every character has a number of Lifepaths, representing a general idea of what their character does (ex. The Kossoki Marauder, The Vagabond, The Stone Whisper, etc.)
>Lifepaths discount a number of Skill & Statistic purchases by 1 (Meaning Skills cost 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 to increase and Statistics cost 2, 4, 6, 8, 10)
>Each lifepath requires you to spend a minimum of 30 points before switching to a new Lifepath
>You can spend more than 30 points before switching, but switching Lifepaths benefits you by increasing the size of your Edge Pool and increasing how many dice you may spend on a check from your Effort Pool
>The size of your edge pool & allowed effort spent on a check is determined by your number of completed lifepaths (1 completed = 1, 2 completed = 2, etc.)
>The size of your effort pool is determined by Total Character Points/10, rounding down

>>82256843
>For normal character creation you first choose a Background, which gives you a set of base statistics (2 statistics start at 2 instead of 1) and starting Perks (these Perks are Quality perks that define your nationality, race, social class, etc.)
>You then have 60 character points to spend (enough for 2 Lifepaths) A GM can choose to give additional CP at character creation to make starting characters stronger
>From your Background you only qualify for Novice Lifepaths (which are things one does in Childhood), which after completing should allow you to qualify for Journeyman Lifepaths
>Lifepaths will often give free Quality perks on taking them to represent key aspects of the Life Path
>Some Qualities are only give as part of Lifepath, and aren't allowed to be purchased as normal Perks


When the character sheet is done I will make an example character to show the ideas above. Any thoughts?

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>>82256859
Map of Ververia

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>>82256879
Map of the Sunset Isles (WIP)

Holy shit you retards have gotten a lot done.

>>82256925
Never underestimate the power of autism.

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>The Pirate King
>one of the few to know every port across the vast, from Lapsaria to Kyugoryo
>robs from slave traders and decadent merchants, helps safeguard the poor
>was once a minor prince, ran away for a life of adventure
>those iron ships scare him
>Freedom Lives, but not for much longer

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This should hopefully clarify why the prior maps were the way they were. Fast growing coral that has sufficient growth potential is an absolute hazard for ships, and is certainly able to alter the land make-up of the isles.
Red isn't simply the coral but the reefs that are close enough that they form island beds (with long term degradation, soil build up, etc actually turning them habitable rather than coral crops not much better than rock) and prevent any ship larger than a canoe from passing over them. Makes the place rather hazardous.

I can decrease the islands further if people want.

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>>82255601
I tried making her, but since the property are taken and that would make her nature, I propose making her the geologist from this post instead
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>>82257352
I forgot to give her freckles.

>>82257352
>since the property are taken
Wa can always shift stuff around

>>82257488
Or if we're feeling ambitious, expand Sunset Isles' compass.

>>82257126
Have we touched on piracy at all in this setting? Surprising if not considering how important the ocean and sea routes are to the setting. I assume piracy has been reduced in Lapsarian coastal regions what with their more advanced ships. I'd wonder how they feel about the Capri Bay incident, emboldened since it's proof Iron clads can be taken down, or even more fearful of them because the destruction of one lead to the Capri Bay ghost and mist. Do pirates use capri bay as a hide away when in Lapsarian waters since no sane captain would go in there? Or do they avoid it for the same reason?

I know this much, the golden age of piracy has passed with these new technological developments, even regular sailing ships are more well armed now and the nations of the world are following Lapsaria's example and bulking up their navies. Plus the wealthiest merchant ships don't carry coin on them anymore but bank notes that a well known pirate couldn't get away with cashing in without getting caught.

Still though the age of piracy is ending, it hasn't done so yet and theirs still plenty of coin to be had on the high seas for the brave, stupid, cunning, and desperate.

>>82257600
The age of sail has largely been ignored, which is a shame as it presents an interesting picture of when the world was younger, the sunset Islands a more unexplored place and things like the Stone Admiral existed. I imagine the mapping of the world was in full swing then, and the process stagnated as the 'west' was filled out. The more robust Jasen states struggled against the more fledgling Tsardom and one another for naval dominance, with the Pre-Union kingdoms of Tarca also getting involved. Everyone was stepping on everyone else's fingers desperately trying to maintain little holds on the wealth the isles allowed.

>>82257600
>>82257644
There's also the potential of going all the way to Kyugoryo to trade, for the incredibly brave.

>>82257672
In my eyes there's three different trade routes:
1. By sea, hugging the coasts. This probably forces you to deal with various port authorities and minor states, which probably extract a fee for safe passage. And even then, you have to deal with pirates.
2. By sea, the long way around. Good luck with this, nobody's probably ever come back alive.
3. By land, through the Vast. This is another "good luck with that" route, but there is probably more success with it - and you don't have to deal with many people barring the way.

>>82257672
I imagine with Kyugoryo being considered a children's tale for Lapsaria, they underwent some serious turbulence and closed themselves off completely.
There WAS a time when trade, while rare, was viable at the start of the age of sale. But without portage in Kyugoryo the trip became a death sentence.
Of course, things are changing as exiles and envoys are making their way out of the Gem Kingdom over the vast, and traders once more find purchase on the interior. So the period of hibernation might be ending...

>>82257644
>>82257672

Me thinks the reason we haven't touched more on this is we've only been dealing with the coast of a few close neighbors untill now as we expand on the sunset isles. If we really want to flesh out how sailing, piracy, and international ocean trade works, I think we need to expand ourselves to a global view, we still don't even have anything for all the coastal nations along the southern and eastern shore lines between our Key players and Kyugoryo. With that said we can still probably cook something up for the "West Coast Sea" theater.

>>82257722
>1. By sea, hugging the coasts. This probably forces you to deal with various port authorities and minor states, which probably extract a fee for safe passage. And even then, you have to deal with pirates.
This would be next to impossible because the Northern/Southern routes both go too close to the poles. It'd be constant storms and the Vast would mean months with no port of call.

>>82257755
Oh great, that basically means a Silk road through the vast or a Columbus route through hundreds of miles of empty sea.

>>82257723
>>82257722
Maybe that could help with the fact there are a bunch of rumours.
Every so often one of the nations near Kyugoryo, or the kingdom itself goes through a period of isolationism, so some people won't get there, some will skip a port and manage to make the trade, or other will end up on a different place altogether, but decide that it must be Kyugoryo because the people are weird, it's far away and there are a bunch of goods there.

>>82257781
In practice it'd probably mean the East/West sides of the continent have next to no contact with one another. Both Sea Routes are insanely dangerous and the land route is the same.

This would be the first era where you can maybe do regular passage over the poles with a big Ice Breaker during the warmer seasons.

>>82257887
I bet the first company to do that on the regular would end up loaded. Would be a good plot thread.

>>82257755
>>82257887

I knew this was the case for the Northern route but I guess the same would go for the southern route. Does anyone still have the proto-global map global map we were using?

Anyway, if this is true then the sailing wise this leads use with two distinct seas, the western sea and the eastern sea, with trade simply going up and down them. Which would mean that pirates would have incredibly predictable sea routes which would make picking out the most valuable targets way easy but would add in the difficult that trade ships really wouldn't have any reason to leave the protection of the coastal defenses as they travel. So prey would be plentiful and easy to find, but much harder to actually get at. So pirates would have to be either really sneaky or really fast or have overwhelming firepower with their looting's in order to get away with it before the coast guards of whatever nation they're in front of repels them.

>>82257781
I imagine the sea is simply to big to pull that off circumnavigation, but with the new and larger oil ships it might be possible but who knows what sea monsters are out their.

As for Traveling through the Vast while possible the Vastian Wasteland is so huge and filled with nothing you'd die due to a lack of resources by the time you got to the other side. The Durites pull if off because they're only going halfway, from the Monolith in the center and back. It can be done of course but only by the largest, most wealthy, most well prepared, most well protected caravans can. Which is how our Kaguyoro Envoys managed it.

>>82258006
Fucking hell, the Jem must have been either complete chads or have incredibly shit sense of direction.

>>82257352
>>82257417
Put a flower on her hat

>>82257925
You know what I just realized? We basically have the search for the northwest passage again but in reverse. The north east passage or south east passage, both are equally viable in that they both equally aren’t.

I can just imagine an exploratory ice breaker iron clad tasked with doing just that. It would be The Terror all over again but with even worse monsters. When it inevitably fails we have a ghost ship slowly plodding through the ice and becoming another hazard for the next exploratory vessel to encounter.

>>82258062
Indeed a flower and maybe a feather of a tropical bird to. If it isn’t to much hassle of course.

>>82258062
Here's 6 different flowers.
>>82258430
I didn't want to put a feather to diverge a bit from the source image, but I can try.

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>>82258444
I forgot to post the image. Again.

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>>82258454
My personal favorite is this one by the way, because the perspective is less wonky.
Also because it was the first one I drew, so I'm biased.

>>82258509
I agree with the flower choice.

>>82258454
>>82258509
Three definitely gets my vote.

>>82258454
First row third down is my pick.

Speaking of flora on the islands, we’ve established flowers and spices and we have an image of a coconut on the coral peddler but I don’t think we’ve come up with any specific ones. Some ideas:

> the lava rock pepper, grows most abundantly on fresh volcanic soil.
>the islands kiss flower, a pink almost lip shaped flower commonly sold to foreigners who admire its scent and look
> Fire bug nip blossom, a flowers whose nectar has a similar effect to catnip on the chemical spraying bugs of the island
> Burn Sugar, like regular sugarcane that’s also grown on the island Burn Sugar has the sweetness of sugar but the after taste of intense spice. Indistinguishable in sugar form from regular sugar but the plants are easy to distinguish by color and leaf shape by those who know.

>>82258509
This one looks more tropical, so I’m for it. Like some fun orchid or something.

Question - is the flower poisonous?
Better question - does she know?

>>82258858
The flower itself isn't, the leaves on the other hand? Very.
Depends whether we go with the tourist that is actually a spy or the geolist usinf foreign field work as an excuse for a paid vacation.

>>82258939
Wouldn't a biologist work even better considering the abundant flora and the fact that the coral itself is both stone and alive? Or is she here to study the volcano?

>>82259047
Well, I just was reusing a prompt that had already been written because a spy would fit more prosperity than nature and the spaces on the compass were filled.
But changing it to a biologist seems cool.

>>82259047
This is why biological and geological departments have gunfights in the halls of the university.
Narcotics meanwhile has been contemplating suicide in the back since they got shoved out beside Phrenological psychology.

>>82259201
And than there is theology.
It's where HIS office is.

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>>82259201
I'm sure the kinds of sciences in this setting look something like pic related - which is from the Mystery Flesh Pit, if you're not familiar.

>>82256803
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>>82258454
>>82258509
>still playing with the wall-eyed cancer man
At the very least you could draw up your own template instead of perpetuating this memespam.

>>82259201
I see the paleontology department being a perennial spoiler in the battles. They're only interested in ancient coral fossils, but since that's a major point of contention between biology and geology it makes them enemies of both.

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>>82259299
It's him! He is back! Or a copycat.
Anyway, it's been kind of empty without you.
>>82259323
And the return of the wall nipple as well, it's like the good old days.

>>82259320
The paleontology has its own civil war, though. Between the Emergencists, who think that new lifeforms are being spawned from somewhere or something Cough Father Eel Cough and the Transmutationalists, who think that life is using "bodily alchemy" to adapt to changing conditions. Both sides have fossil evidence, from transitional fossils to serious gaps in the fossil record.
The universities in general are also in the same position as real life ones were during the "Bone Wars", they'll pay money to mercenaries to sabotage their rivals - just to be the first to publish.

>>82259320
>You Synaceian's sure are contentious folks.
>You and your department have made an enemy for your whole Tenure!

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>>82258509
I like her! I moved the Sultan one right, and got her story somehwere in the middle of the discussed options.

Besides Synaceian, are there any other universities?

>>82259460
Eh, I'd say we pick one or the other. Seems a bit incongruous like that.

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>>82259234
Not only did I drop the image, but I also changed to theology instead of theosophy.
I need to sleep, hope I atleast don't fuck up spoilering this image

>>82259384
>The universities in general are also in the same position as real life ones were during the "Bone Wars", they'll pay money to mercenaries to sabotage their rivals - just to be the first to publish.
It's actually believed that a lot of the sabotage never happened, and was just paleontologists playing mind games with each other. "This was a great bone bed, too bad I exploded it before you could get to it!". So the paleontology department should have a reputation for psychological warfare. Not just physical sabotage but laying elaborate schemes and plots to waylay their rivals.

>>82259559
I mean, it can work. She wanted to go to the Sunset Isles to explore the Flora(Fauna?) but ciuldn;t get the needed grant. The government decided to grant it to her given she also helped colect info onm the isles themselves.
She probably wouldn't know it's for the invasion though, so that should be ajusted

>>82259612
kek

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>>82259201
>>82259234
>>82259272
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>>82259320
>>82259388
>>82259632

Academia can certainly be hell at times, the price for enlightenment I suppose.

>>82259660
This may be established already, but why is Lapsaria planning to invade the Isles?

>>82259748
Several reasons, probably. Those sweet spice and fruit plantations. To control access to coral, and to get greater access to whale hunting grounds. And probably because the navy is trying to justify their modernization.

>>82259748
No extremelly specific reason other than general colonization/expansion. Lapsaria is considerably ahead of the isles in technology, the Isles are rich in resources, etc, etc

>>82259748
Coral plantations and other rare cash crops. The Lapsarians would love to invade for delicious narcotics.

>>82260012
Plus it would give them a naval platform that's off the coastline which no other nations, or if they do not nearly as large as the islands would be. It would give them a foot hold to maintain power projection over a much larger area of ocean. It would be their pearl harbor, but without the getting blown up bit. Well, hopefully not anyway.

That besides Lapsaria has reached levels of imperialist ideology where expansion for expansion's sake is justification enough. Liberating the lesser nations into their glorious fold.

>tfw Lapsarians are MAYBE a century away the first space travel
No fish in space oil cucks.

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>>82260200
It's only going to get worse.

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>>82260200
Alexander Kerensky could have watched the Moon Landing, a year before he died.
Whose to say what a 20-year-old courtier of the Tsarina might see across her life?

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>>82260252
*Who's

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Ok, that's the basic character sheet done.

>>82260658
I feel like the left side feels to busy for something that's quite simple (Simple in a good). I think it's mostly because there are a lot of linesthere that have no purpose.
Other than that, the sheet as a whole seems a bit text heavy (as in, the player will write a lot of text), but that's just a consequence of the way the system works. Maybe you could split the Perks section in something like Title: Description boxes, something like Notable Equipment, to seem a bit more organized.

>>82260720
>Maybe you could split the Perks section in something like Title: Description boxes
I did that originally for them then decided against it. I'll go back to that.

I might compress the left side, remove the notes line and instead put a single 'skill notes' section at the bottom. Also I think I'll condense the Effort/Edge pool section.

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>>82260758
> remove the notes line and instead put a single 'skill notes' section at the bottom.
That might help clear things a bit, but I quite like the notes section for each skill as opposed to a general notes section for skills.
I was thinkimg something likee either suggestions from Pic related (Though I do preffer the bottom one

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>>82260799
>>82260758
Or maybe Pic related (make the lines under each skill thinner). The thickness of these lines is somewhat inconsistent right now as well, as a side note, and that might be making the issue worse

>>82260799
>>82260852
1st suggestion looks like trash. 2nd suggestion looks less like trash but a biut empty + the lines were useful for easily following which points are for which skill. 3rd suggestion is the best of the 3, and does help reduce clutter.

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>>82260799
Cleaned up the left column.

>>82260878
Thin lines, hrm, I'll try that.

>>82260200
Why do you think space exists?

>>82260878
>>82260906
I think that's much cleaner, though I'd still prefer thin lines to track which skill is which

>>82259299
HELL YEA APRIL!

>>82260930
>>82260914
Oh sorry, didn't see you already replied. Thanks

>>82260940
Why call him April?

>>82257417
I wonder what ethnicity she is. Doesn't look ethnically Lapsarian. Maybe Freeskal, considering there are redheads down in Jasentorf

>>82257722
Airships are a thing
>>82257600
There is a whole faction of pirates on the main compass.

>>82259172
>>82259047
>>82258939
Her being a spy really ties her into established lore though, since according to that, there've been plans to invade the Sunset islands for two generations now

>>82260963
Maybe red-hadeadness is a genetic heritage from that ethnicity the Lapsarians integrated a long time ago?(i forgot their names,is it Bandree?)
Not all people that are descendents of this ethnicity have this trait, but it's more common in this people

>>82260958
Because he's a reporter

>>82260974
>Airships are a thing
Silk road but above the Vast Waste?

>>82261012
Kek

>>82261006
There are still plenty of Brandee around on the Wolher Peninsula. But afaik we don't have pictures of them so sure, we can sidestep the question and do it that way.

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>>82260950
Made the lines light and thin.

>>82260974
> Airships are a thing
Somewhat recent though (~30 years) and not really suited for extremely long journeys nor for carrying very large loads.so while an interesting option for exploration and some diplomatic contact, it would hardly be a stable commercial route
> There is a whole faction of pirates on the main compass
They still haven't been very well developed though. We just know they're pirates, but nothing has been decided regarding how recent/frequent/sucessfull is this pirating

>>82261035
I personally thinks this works. Also like the detail of where you're meant to write something (like the specific skills) the line gets darker and thicker.

>>82260974
Travel of that distance in a desert with sandstorms would be super dangerous, but it'd probably be the only method approaching safe.

>>82261056
the two things you wrote are tightly related: Airships are a new technology, and it stands to reason that they are not great at long distance, heavy travel through uncertain wind conditions.
And simultaneously: There is a nation of air piraates traveling the vast, overpowering trade caravans and carrying off booty.
One of these things must yield for the other

>>82261035
Can a person select mor than one branch off the same skill? (Like academic (history) and academic (biology)).
In that case, where would she place the second branche's stats? In the notes section?

>>82261095
Oh shit, you were talking about the air pirates..I thought you meant Barbaros

Yeah, they probably can't get off with stealing large things, and it's probably very dangerous considering the weather conditions they'd have to brave. But they are crazy so they can disregard usual weather and maintenance limitations, and they can mostly make off with value-dense materials as to not weigh then down a lot, so it could still work

>>82261099
You can, but I am honestly struggling with where to put it. Maybe an 'additional skills' section?

I added the notes section to let people put it there if they had it.

>>82261095
>There is a nation of air piraates traveling the vast,
Likely less of a nation and more of a ragtag group, and likely more Lapsaria and it's immediate neighbors than across the vast. But still, i do aknowledge your points remain

>>82261132
the guy who made them specifically said "across the Vast" I took that to mean: anywhere as long as it's far away from Lapsaria

>>82261140
I don't think it's been enough time for them to spread across the vast,especially since their supply of new ships is pretty much nonexistantm also, they need to be close to places whwre they could have access to fuel and parts for their airships, so not likely to be very far from Lapsaria (unless other countries have semi-adcanced air forces)

>>82261151
well that's exactly this >>82261113
there's airship lores and what can bes ssumed from it and pirate lore, and the two are butting heads

>>82261095
What if it's just military airships that are a new thing? Traditional airships (more similar to hot-air balloons than actual airships) exist, and have been used en mass as trade caravans, as well as personal craft, like the aerialist uses, for some time by nations like Jasentorf or Masovii. They would be far more dependent on the wind, cannot be quickly maneuvered, and generally failed to find a military role because of this.

The large, well armed, oil-powered airships of the Lapsarian's on the other hand would be a different story. Using oil-powered engines would enable them to use larger balloons (meaning larger ships) without becoming too unwieldy, control flight to a degree the other balloons couldn't and fly faster than the others.

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>>82261151
>>82261176
>>82261236
The Sky Pirates could theoretically travel across the vast they'd run out of fuel by the time they made it to the other side. They'd need to set up a refueling station halfway across and that would require materials and infrastructure they simply aren't interested in when it's easier to take and steal from local population, being airborn does grant them a wider range can be equally effective above land or sea but their goals are also anti-lapsarian government since they formed in the first place as a response to the Capri Bay betrayl, they are fighting the lapsarain's aerialist fleet for that reason and the fact that if they can keep the Lapsairan airforce from building up or destroy it entirely they'll basically have the skies uncontested.

The current Lord Colonel of the Airforce is trying desperately to revitalize the airforce but after the Sky pirate betrayl the Military Council want to see more results that the current airforce can actually be trusted to do their jobs before allowing more funding.

If the sky pirate vs airforce situation can be resolved and rectified then long term airship trade across the vast would be not only possible but highly lucrative though heavily controlled by the Lapsarian goverment since they would be the ones making the airships and providing the way stations needed for long treks.

Or if the Sky pirates end up the ulitmate victors of the sky then they could hodgepodge together their own way stations and become an economic force to rival a small kingdom.

Airship transcontinental trade is inevitable either way, unless both destroy themselves and culturally airships are seen as a lost cause. Depends on how the current conflict goes.

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>>82261626
That reminds me that I started doing the head of the DAAM (I think it was that? Department for Aeronautics and Advanced Machinery? Something like that?) but never coloured it in. If somebody else wants to do that knock yourself out.

>>82261718
>DAAM
DCMA

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Did another old, old prompt for Jasentorf

>The Veteran Gregarii
>Fought in every war in the past thirty years
>More dangerous than any knight
>Trained to use every weapon in Jasentorf
>Still considered to be just a commoner by the aristocrats


>>82261935
thanks

>>82261626
>pic
I believe Lapsarian airships look like something in between real Zeppelins of XXth century and airships from Highfleet.

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>>82259460
the iffrit, fire-maxxed
>the sultan's worst nightmare
>has a week to live, makes every day count
>jut loves burning shit

The general idea with this dude is that volcanic smoke contains the dust of progress. Some cultists manage to harness its power and turn into pseudo-slab knights.
They are mostly mercenaries.

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What do you guys think?
I sure hope original Jasentorf anon will come by some time, 80% of this is based on his stuff

>>82262609
I don't like it because
>1 World building wise there's no reason for the dust of progress to be there. It's not a natural thing, and it's linked to the Vast - which is nowhere near here, physically or culturally
>2 Conceptually - It goes against the framing of the sunset isles to introduce a heavy Stone element to it
>3 I don't really see the need to add more supernatural elements to the area
>4 "They are mostly just mercenaries who burn shit" is weakly thought out, and already covered by the Mercenary Fire Priestess
>5 While I think the Volcano is a good area to cover for the remaining slots (Along with the Jungle in some of the middle ones) I think there are better ways to do that. Fuck, literally put the Volcano itself on the chart, that would add a lot more.
>6 It's super lazy art. I'm not knocking you for trying to contribute, but that's literally a preexisting piece stuck over a background image (which wouldn't be in the end chart anyways, so it's just a preexisting wojak). The quality doesn't need to be high, but there should be at least some effort put towards making original content, given that's what this whole thing is. I would prefer you to fuck around in MS paint for an hour and see what you get out of that instead.

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>>82262840
nta, but while I agree with 1, I don't think the other points are that strong. 2 especially, I think having some stone things in the sunset islands would acctually be benefitial to not have them be completely seperated from the thing that makes the land, and 4, but that's me personally, I like simple stuff like that.

>>82262847
Maybe the Moose for something associated both witht he mountains and the swamp? Or maybe a combination of frogs and marmots? I can draw you up some proposals if you want to

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I still think that adding primitive wireless telegraph like pic-related will be nice addition to setting, it's quite unpredictable and unreliable but quite usefull for navy and air fleet. Though we can make it harder to use than in real Earth, in example Leviathan world will be frequently affected by powerfull electromagnetic storms, so it will prevent from developing really sophisticated devices.

>>82262860
Cool idea, but Ververia isn't just a swampy region it's country with its own iconography I guess.

>>82262884
well it's a fusion of swampdwellers and moutnain dwellers right? And the former ones are, REALLY tied to the water. So something that evokes both those things seems to be in order. Alternatively, and more realistically of course, we can just have something that is so historically contingent that we couldn't deduce it from the current lore. If I told you laods about England, I doubt you would come up with three lions as its symbol.

>>82262906
I would suggests something like crossed flagpoles with dragons or wyrms.
I think dragon could be nice symbol for Ververia.

>>82262847
I would maybe put abit more emphasis on the Chattani Valley. It looks like an area where the main concentration of Clannsmen centers reside.

>>82262926
Eh, then I'm not gonna be the one to do it, that doesn't appeal to me at all

>>82262849
There’s simple but there’s also redundant, which is the biggest part of 4

>>82260963
Well, the syneacean professor is also a redhead.
Maybe like it's like what the other anon wrote, it's a recessive trait from Bandree ancestry.

>>82260994
Oh, it does, it just that there was no place in prosperity for her, but then the anon moved things around.

>>82262697
You honour me brother. When I get a minute I'll need to dig out the geography sketch I did and formalize Jasen's regions.

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>>82262847
I would say Caribou should be featured if your going to be representing the Clannsmen, and then perhaps something like crawfish for the Marshfolk? Give it a connection to water without it being just straight more fish. Also, because firearms played an integral role in the creation of Ververia, perhaps some ornately carved flintlock muskets? The crossed musket and pike could be a symbol of the mixed Ververians.
>>82262934
I think the Lapilari plateau would be the center of Clannsmen, since the upper half of the Chattani is Venitii, and the lower half Marshfolk.

Also, sorry for the lack of a third version, Saturday fell away from me, should have a better version created later today.

>>82263507
>crawfish
Nah anon, it's the almighty crab.

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Added some stuff, looks wobbly and shitty so maybe I will remake it in few days.

>>82263694
Could you move the name Lapsaria away from the compass? It makes it look like it's labelling it.
Also try to gray out the foreign names like CCA did, maybe leave Mierra and Westtower just a slightly darker grey though, to show they belonged to Ververia until recently

>>82263755
I can easily make that all, so in the next iteration all these suggestion will be considered.

>>82263694
I think the crossed musket and pike is a more fitting sign for Ververia than a dragon with a crown on a stone(?)

Does anyone have the latest timeline image? The one on the docs doesn't fit the page, so I'm thinking of just transcribing it.

>>82263844
Good idea, desu. But this can make them look like US or revolutionary France.

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>>82263888
This was the last version, which we discussed here.

>>82263969
Thanks anon.

>>82263964
i think one can make it work without being too french desu. i may try it later

>>82264040
Okay, maybe we can use this snake coat for unknown kingdom somewhere around Jesendors.
I jsut realized it looks like a Gadsden flag

>>82264086
an interesting thing here is also: what is ververian governance? dp they have a king? Two kings? Republicanism? That would be interesting for whether there is a croqn or whatever

>>82264165
They have a King and a Queen, each one represents marshland and clannsman, and the royal house itself is Ververia.

>>82264192
neat

>>82256798
how does magic work here?

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>>82264223
Like this

>>82264223
It usually doesn't. Other than some abilities receive inconsistently by the powers that be, magic is usually very guesswork and ritual heavy, with lots of effort for little to no effects

>>82264223
Basically concentrated shitposting from what I gather, which often doesn't work.

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>>82263694
>>82263964
how about this? Size is to fit the map

>>82264918
The crow looks weird like that.
Just make it golden like normal, the royal house is unity or something.

>>82265118
But the weapons look good.

>>82264336
>it's le shitposting!
What does this even mean? Go ahead and explain right now what you meant by this. I'm curious to see how deeply reddit meme culture has rotted your brain.

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>>82265157
you make low effort posts on an internet forum to try and get people who think their embarrassing internet habits aren't embarrassing riled up, and sometimes that evokes a spirit to help you.

>>82265118
The crown was split because of >>82264192
implying a dual royal house. but here's it in gold

>>82265286
I made both of the posts.
The red and white chechered can represent the split, with the crown itself whole meaning the unity of the house being Ververia.
But if you or other anons thing the divided crown is better I won't complain.

>>82265329
i don't mind yall

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>Sunghi honey is without equal
>The nectar of the sultans
>Its fiery spice is unmatched
>Its pungent scent is unrivaled
>And its source is undisclosed

>>82265286
>you make low effort posts on an internet forum to try and get people who think their embarrassing internet habits aren't embarrassing riled up, and sometimes that evokes a spirit to help you.
Calling magic "shitposting" certainly is embarassing

>>82266033
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

>>82261035
How do wounds work? Don't remember seeing it in the rules doc.

>>82266064
cringe

>>82266464
I haven't written the combat section yet, finish the doc will be a long road.

>>82264223
The basic gist:
>Magic is performed through ritual, rituals take differing amounts of time depending on the ritual
>Rituals require a number of checks, often using different Mystic skills, equal to their complexity
>Most rituals allow multiple characters to participate, meaning multiple magic characters can collaborate to accomplish a single ritual
>Every time you increase a Mystic skill you learn a ritual of that complexity that uses that skill (If I increase my Ceremony to 3, I get to learn a ritual of Complexity 3 that has one make a Ceremony check)
>Occultism is the skill used to research & develop rituals outside of the ones you naturally develop as your skills increase
>Besides rituals having skill check requirements they can have Rare Materials & Complications
>Rare Materials are just that, and must be sourced (Bargain is the skill that defines one's ability to source items)
>Complications are things that are required of the ritual outside of your control, such as it must be done during the full moon, it must be done on a recently bloodied battlefield, etc. These requirements are most often time/location based. However they can sometimes be things you can't change, like the ritual must only have Durite participants.
>Each mystic skill does primarily a different thing, and so their rituals involve those things, these things are:

>>82267063
>Spiritualism (Mystic)
The contacting of and manipulation of spirits, elementals, and other otherworldly entities. Used to discern information about them, know about them, and in rituals concerning them.
>Phrenology (Mystic)
The magical counterpart to medicine, concerns magic's effect on the body and the natural magical inclinations of the body. Used in rituals that effect the body magically.
>Symbology (Mystic)
Concerning the imparting of power onto objects and the identification of magical objects. Used in rituals to impart magical power onto objects.
>Numerology (Mystic)
Concerning the magical significance of patterns in the world and the discerning of information magically. Used in rituals to divine information magically.
>Occultism (Branched, Mystic)
As a branched skill when one dives into Occultism they must choose a subject of specialty, occultism is used for knowledge on all magical subjects that don't fall into the other categories. This one is not often used in rituals, but is needed for specific and esoteric ones (requiring specific subject matter)
>Alchemy (Mystic)
Concerning the magical properties of animal parts, plants, and metals. Used in rituals to create magical substances.
>Ceremony (Mystic)
Concerning the mystical aspects of religion. Used in rituals to affect the minds of individuals magically.


>The most common thing a ritual imparts is a Temporary Quality, Qualities are what alter the threshold of certain skill checks if a condition is met (Such as Panic Sieve, which increases your threshold to Repose checks to resist violent trauma).
>Rituals can also cause immediate effects, such as imparting information, causing things to move/change, the binding/summoning of spirits, etc.
>Rituals can also impart effects that do not change skills, but give benefits to the quality, such as allowing them to see in the dark

>>82267106
Many of these can be combined in rituals. An easy example is Automatic Writing, a ritual of Automatic Writing would use:
>Spiritualism, Numerology

Another ritual, such as to create a magical potion that calm the mind would use:
>Alchemy, Ceremony


Rituals can also come in Degrees. Automatic Writing can be made more complex so as to impart more complete/clearer information. Such advanced versions of rituals would be separate and must be learned separately.

>>82265286
That looks dope

Anyone else think CCA is nothing but detrimental to this project at this point? He has too much control over it.

>>82267457
Is there anyone who would do what he is doing in his place, if he wasn't contributing?

>>82267457
In what sense? He hasn't really intervened much in many areas of world building, the areas he has intervened in he's been pretty open to other opinions, and the system isn't part of the setting so it's less collaborative by nature.
Sure he has a lot of power, but he hasn't been really controlling as of yet

>>82267457
Not really, no. He does most of the stuff and for that alone I'd grant him veto rights. And I'm on his side most of the time, sans the telegraph issue, but we've come to a good compromise I think

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Did a thing
The original prompt was:

>The Flagellent Gentleman
>Origin of the Pain Theory
>Hasn't got an idea what his actions have done to the world
>In time, his back will turn to stone
>Relishes the bite of the lash while he still can

But I'm not sure how well this stuff works. Might need a rework.

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>>82267457
>too much control over it
Just start drawing map or designing appearance of something, it is literally the only way to obtain this control, no one really stops anyone from making original content.

>>82267457
What the fuck are you talking about? He hasn't forced his ideas so far, everytime that they are met with heavy criticism they are either ignored or reworked, and when they are food they are accepted, like every other contributor.
The only thing he has control over ia the system, that is a homebrew he himself came up with, and even there he is changing things on suggestions.

>>82267457
lmao what.
Try doing any asset for the thing. I promise you there is no mechanism at CCA's disposal to keep it from entering canon

>>82267544
This. If your have an idea and run with it creating content, it's much more likely people will accept your idea.

>>82267539
Ok this might be way too over the top and bit conflicting with the setting.
Rad art though.

>>82267539
That boy be gooey.

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Holy shit, guys.

>>82267544
>>82267545
>>82267560
>>82267523
>>82267515
>>82267495
I mean over like how magic works, he's essentially dictated how magic in the setting works entirely.

>>82267545
I agree. He has lots of power in administrative matters and in the system, but for the setting he's just like any other anon, except maybe people pay more attention to what he says (either to refute it or to agree to it)

>>82267598
If you disagree with it, then argue against it.

>>82267585
We need to get the thread bumped, replying to King Fisher and his Hooks is a to do that.
>>82267598
Nah, because the only time there was opposition to that idea (the ceremony tax) he changed it.

>>82267614
>>82267629
The setting should have no magic.

>>82267645
Why do you think that?

>>82267645
Well, get the other anons to agree with you and that will happen.
Meanwhile I'm digging the 19th bullshit spirit ritualism.

>>82267645
pretty based opinion desu

>>82267645
boring

>>82267645
Half of the magic roll shit is
>trying to identify what the fuck that shit that just happened is

>>82267645
Half the magic is trying to identify what just happened to you, and the other half is shaving silver into a bowl before huffing it.

>>82267645
I somewhat agree, but then again, the supernatural does exist in the world, it's only a matter of applying it in a more practical sense. And how common this magic is can vary a lot depending on how you run it. Personally,if I were to run this setting I'd make rituals something only practiced by cults and heavily spiritualized individuals

>>82267713
>I'd make rituals something
I would say it still be quite common practicing them in rural area or in uncivilized places.

>>82267744
Practicing some sort of rituals could be common, but actual magic should be (in my opinion) rare, unstable and have consequences. So not something a random peasant would be doing by burning a candle and saying thanks

>>82267539
I mean, very cool art and neat ideas, but I am unsure how exactly this fits into the setting

>>82267786
Yea I didn't do the prompt, that's why I said it may need a rework. It was among the deluge of Jasentorf suggestions in thread 6. If anybody knows what to do with it, do something with it. Otherwise it's just a wojak

>>82267713
Magic is definitely practiced as something practical, by Lapsarians. The Spirit Technician at least works with them consistently. The Synance Royal University should have a Department of Practical Thaumaturgy.

On the other sides Stone Singers do magic, and the Salt Shaman over on the salt pan has been doing rituals literally non-stop.

>>82267773
I think CCA said the intention was that actual magic was rare, and mostbof the rituals are actually fake.
So a durite stone-singer that manages to have the srone sing back just did magic, but a normal durite just singing regular song isn't going to do shit.

>>82267645
CCA has at least provided nuance, and while I've butted heads with him on statistics he's at least given me information about his motivations.
Cartographer has weird views of maps, but he's at least providing framework.
What the flying fuck are you pulling this out of?

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>>82262840
Noted.
Volcanos definitely need to be on the compass, though. And while it is essentially a branch of fire worship, it needs to be different from the fire priestess.

Maybe an offering to the volcano ?
I did this one. He 'sa bit barebones, but I can't think of other things to give him

>>82267645
Ill give you props for the nice bait but stfu, CCA has put in the most work into making this an actual setting and is amenable to making changes when people provide valid criticisms. As for magic about a 1/3rd of the wojacks are magical so why wouldn't there be magic rules.

>>82267823
Hard disagree. Making magic common wouldnt fit at all with the setting.
>>82267823
This is the best I terprtation. Rituals happen all the time, but most of them are just tradition. Real magic is pretty hard fitting stuff

>>82267645
>>82267457
The only time CCA has a strong opinion he wouldn't back down on was ghosts, and while I didn't agree with him at first when he fully explained his position I came around to his side.

>>82267894
You replied to the same person.

>>82267854
Put a chain going to the front of the collar and the back to show he is a prisoner, and that may be others.

>>82267906
I meant to reply to >>82267831. I'm a big dumdum

>>82267936
I would think there are 100% some amount of professors who know magic but interspaced within the rest of the university. Like a professor who can do Numerology rituals in the mathematics department.

>>82267963
But he is an Yechod so no one believes what he says anyway.

>>82267963
Since the rituals haven't been fleshed out yet we don't even have a generalized power scaling of how strong the rituals are going to be. Like a Math prof might recite prime numbers to focus his mind and that could easily be a low-level magic ritual that wouldn't seem out of place in the setting. Or Lapsarians doing minor rituals like leaving a lit Spermaceti candlelight on their windowsill to protect against their children being taken in the night in capri bay where such occurrences might be frequent.

>>82267981
Such is the life of a Yechod.

>>82267963
Numerology = Mathematics
Ceremony = Theology
Symbology = Linguistics
Phrenology = Medical and Zoology
Alchemy = Chemistry
Spiritualism = ???
Occultism = Various

>>82268114
psychology maybe

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>>82267907
>>82259460
the sacrifice

>The volcano hungers
>"great honor" my ass
>tfw there we no lapsarian available
>at least, his death will be quick

>>82268222
Nice

>>82268222
I'd change Lapsarian to 'Off-Islanderss' as anyone who is a stranger would probably be way more viable than strangers from a specific country.

>>82268114
Numerology is an actual thing, though it's got a lot in common with astrology. Going by a predetermined system, a person's name is boiled down into numbers, which are then analyzed using that system, in order to derive information about that person. It's as dumb as star signs and palm reading.

However, if we want to create an actual magic system out of numerology, we could make it a lot more sophisticated. A talented numerologist would probably be a master of dozens of different systems, which they use to analyze far more than just a person's name. The practitioner must feed all sorts of information into these many systems and produce a flood of numbers, which only the most enlightened numerologists can actually sift true meaning out of.

So, someone performing numerology would more or less look like a guy messing around with books and charts for hours on end until he finally shouts "THE TSARINA VISITS THE KYUGORYO ENVOY'S BECHAMBERS TWICE A WEEK" or some other revelation.

>>82268222
I like how this guy seems to be the same culture as the pearl diver

University compass when?

>>82262697

>Alerian Tavern Wench
>Loves her sun
>Loves her fish
>That drink she just gave you is probably poisoned
(worldy/federalism)

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>>82262697
>the Haughty Landsknecht
>fights for whomever pays, even for foreigners
>calls her sword "mein Schwanz"
>keeps putting off gun lessons
>her colorful uniform will get her killed one day

>>82268389
the axes would be

skeptic - mystic

and

tenure - diletant

>>82262697
>The Esoteric of Marble and Sandstone
>Technically way older than the brotherhoods
>Almost completely forgotten
>Soon history shall swallow his way completely
>Found peace the grand work of time

>The Gaufenburg Survivor
>Saw that THING destroy his town
>Lost his family
>Lost his home
>Lost Everything

>The Terror of Gaufenburg
>Wait I don't think the Monolith is this way
>A BROKEN CROWN
>Plenty of Slabs to break however
>A SHATTERED WILL

>The Brother Contrarian
>Didn't even have the decency to lose his sight
>Still carves, a rarity
>Changes his views to clash with whoever he talks to
>Universally reviled
>Still going to be promoted

>The Grisser Brigand
>Dad told him of the old days
>Kills whatever outlanders he gets his hands on
>Collects mercenary genitals
>His days are numbered

>The Balanear citizen
>High up in the mountains
>Cares not for lowlanders
>"Sure does suck down there."

>The Luolammies
>From a time before men
>No eyes, no worries
>Of the stone
>Sometimes wonders what's going on upstairs

>The Emissary to the Luolammies
>Didn't know these things existed before he was appointed
>Wishes he still didn't
>Believes his job can't get any worse
>The Prince is gonna send him to the Lake

>The Prince of the Hill
>Renowned hedonist, done things you've never heard of
>High in the mountains you take what you can get
>Maintaining the ancient rites
>Trusts the Emissary, this will all turn out okay

>The Auldrun Commoner
>Doesn't understand any of these outsiders
>Trusts the Prince
>Humble Wagon-Maker
>Has no idea what's living in these ancient lands

>>82268417
probably gonna do her, at least to get some Alerian fashion on the board
>>82268591
cooming without creativity, someone else can do this one
>>82268604
jesus christ man, at least highlight the ones you recommend

>>82268114
>>82268283
I actually plan on moving Religious mysticism into Spiritualism and changing Ceremony to Parapsychology. I think that fits it better as the magic of the mind.

>>82268604
>The Aspirant
>Spent the past week glued to Perfection of Stone
>Waiting for it to finally sing to him
>Starving
>Exposure will get him soon

>The Industrial Organizer
>Guys I'm serious we need to stand up to the guilds
>No one believes what he's seen out in the Tsardom
>Increasingly desperate
>Probably going to be assassinated soon

>The City Burgher
>Admits that publicly breaking the knees of non-guild members isn't right
>Still does it anyways
>Walls of stone shall always protect us
>Right?

>The Grisser Serf
>Works the land as his ancestors did
>Cries himself to sleep remembering he's owned by an idiot
>Doesn't want another succession war
>Only a matter of time now

>The Zufshenzaal Princeling
> Smells weird, looks weirder
> Attempting to get everyone to work together in the North
> By the Marsh these people are contentious
> Worries about the Lot of the commoners
> Will probably be assassinated
> Sure hope that doesn't cause some kind of war

>The Yechod Smith
>Works outside the city, not allowed inside
>Needs to wear a hat
>Or they'll shoot him
>Makes enough to send money to his Lapsarian cousins

>The Balanear Man At Arms
>Less Talking, More Looting
>Made enough last campaign he's set for life
>Still gonna keep looting anyways
>In it for the fun now

>The Distraught Lender
>Due to go broke next winter after the Yothesnstein Default
>Generations spent building up wealth he blew
>Can't leave the city, the peasants will hang him
>Will be kicked out when he runs out of rent money

>The Renegade Mystic
>Despises the Clergy
>Carves Stone freely
>Being hunted by everyone
>Juicing up on the shavings of stone to unknown ends

>The Djirit Wanderer
>Delivers mail as his father did
>Neither Rain Nor Snow Nor Sleet Stops Him
>But the town being gone does
>What the fuck did he miss?

>>82267823
>Spirit technician
Less spells and powers, more - if we do this the ghosts don’t eat out skulls - we found this out by chance after the 40th guy got his skull eaten, but 20 times over, so they have built up a small repertoire of rituals and superstition that tends to keep then more alive than others in the bay
>Department of Practical thaumaturgy
Snake oil, pseudoscience, and just lying for influence and grant money -like everything else at the university
>Stone Singers
Yes - however, it’s not a consistent process - the monolith decides if they want people to become SS’s. The same the same ritual things done by 100 people might result in one SS, and it’s random who that is. It’s not a thing you learn, but a thing you are made into
>Salt Shamans
The whole thing with them is that the sacrifices mostlikely don’t even do shit. Lol said the Monolith. Lmao. And all that

>>82268647
Not him, but I recommend the Terror.

>>82268781
Tempted to leave that one to only implications honestly. So I may do the survivor but leave the terror out. Perfect place for intruige.

>>82268816
Fair enough.
And he would be some disfigured slab knight anyway, and we already have 3 or 4 of those

>>82268912
Until he's on the compass, he could be anything, wouldn't have to be a slab knight. That's why I wanna keep him off. There are more interesting options I'd like to keep open

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I'm gonna go to bed but started progress on
>>82268417

>>82269026
lol at the fish

>>82269026
Cute fish

>>82268647
I put out many options for people so they can take their pick of things.

>Enzingarian Royal
>Pompous in the worst set
>Part of a secret society that presides over masonry
>Not any sacrifice so much as gaming brick prices
>Just as fond of brew as the peasants

>The Marsh Lander
>Ancestors terrorized the Interior
>These days his people just fish and farm mostly
>Placid life on the coastlines
>War? Inheritance? But the Bierpalast is open tomorrow!

>The Lechte Exile
>Left after the Army stole his wagon
>Walked to his 'homeland'
>Misses Masovii cooking
>Misses Lapsarian Oil

>The Golden City Begger
>Lives in the shitpile of the Great City
>Pretty comfy, guards are terrible
>Knicked some good salt to smoke
>Life is good

>The Beleaguered Trader
>Guards confiscated his camels
>Thieves stole his goods
>Pickpocket knicked his salt
>Gonna need to walk back to the Commonwealth

>The Yothensteiner Mason
>Having the time of his life
>Would make less money embezzling the funds
>Loves the brick and mortar
>Oooooh I'm REBUUUUUUUUUUILDING

>The Northern Marquise
>Hates the Cow-Hicks
>Hates other Marquises
>Hates the Lapsarians
>Horrifically Lactose Intolerant

>The Tarcan Dissident
>Hates the Gilded States
>Ancestors spent Decades fighting off ambitious Princes
>Royal Family defeated by the big Tarkan D
>Big connoisseur of Lapsarian Cultural Policies

>The Golden City College Professor
>Impoverished by necessity
>Clergy makes sure he gets no funding
>Occasionally his people just steal from the Library
>About to go Postal

>The Alerian Transplant
>Just moved into the neighborhood
>Got used to the Smell
>Finds the locals agreeable now
>Enjoys the quite

>The Interstater
>Evades taxes and tariffs
>Reviled by princes and guards
>Would kill for a sick deal
>Will be the death of the local economic structure

>The Tax Miester
>Hated by everyone
>Backbone of the princely estates
>Still needs to do his job
>Gets up in the morning to see Interstaters hang

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Ok, I've updated the basic character sheet. This is the non-printable version that goes to the page edges. I was making a printable version and it causes the lines to be slightly off.

>>82269192
I cannot condone that behavior

Yeah, keep your suggestions to one or two at a time. Trying to fill out the entire compass by yourself is rude, desu.

>>82269346
>>82269360
As long as there isn't any art it's whatever

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Cleaning up >>82266033 and also linking it to >>82259460, as a possible addition. Probably occupies that last slot on the bottom row, but you could justify it being in the row above too.

>>82269581
>"Just be yourself", they said

>>82269346
>>82269192
don't get me wrong, I like your stuff. the reason I can't condone that behavior is because I'm the artfag and I don't want to sift through all the ideas and decide which are good and whcih aren't

>>82269615
Then how would you prefer I do this? Genuine question because I could spend a long time on one thing that no one picks up. I'm working for a meme template.
The most I could do more visible titles so you could zoom in on the two to four words.

>>82268222
>>82269581
I'll add both of these asap. Sorry for the delay

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I redrew the Ifrit:
>Ignited Oil & Melted Stone
>The brightest flames burn the shortest, only a week to live
>It was a pleasure to burn

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>>82269581
>>82268222
Done and done.

>>82270509
A couple of people seemed to have objections to this idea, but if you're interested in it and are wiling to explain it a bit more, I can fit it in (also, we're down to our last slot, so I'd probably have to shift the Fire beetle guy one right to fit in the Ifrit)

>>82270623
Also, >>82269581, I recolored the honey a litle bit to fit the Fire theme better, but if you dislike it I can change it back

>>82270623
I thought the objects were mainly to the last art, which is why I redrew it. I am not attached to the idea in any way, so skipping it is fine.

>>82270633
There was some opposition to that, but some people commplaned also that his presence was a bit redundant (considering the Fire Priestess already fit's the hole of a fire-setting lunatic), the presence of another supernatural being being unnecessary, and that the explanation given to his existancee was a bit weird (Something about them being semi-slab knights due to inhaled fumes).
I'm not personally too invested in any of these arguments, just wanted to be sure that we're aware of these concerns

I am going to try reorganizing the lore document section for Sunset Isles and add some bullet points from the last two threads:

sunset isles (heading 3):
- keep existing general info
- move coffee/gochem section here
- moth silk
- giant crabs
- inter-islanders
- slavery
- politics

north (heading 4):
- lapsaria allied sultanate
- Kybadora
- Tavylaad

east/middle (heading 4):
- barbaros (no longer heading 4)
- Cheddek catamaran flotilla
- Alzbanaap
- Sunghi

south (heading 4):
- coral caliph
- sultanate of breena
- Emandro Isles
- sultanate of Ullatasoi
- Pon'Tomoick Island

>>82270859
Sure, go ahead. And don't be afraid to make shit up to make the whole thing coherent, just maybe put in a comment or something indicating that it's a possible idea and keep going.
I tried to organize some info in that section a few days ago, though it's far from done or complete. Hope it helps you

>>82270859
Wait, you are moving the crabs from ververia to sunset islands?
Go for it, they would fit the wierdness better there anyway, just remember to keep the ancestor bog mummies.

>>82271008
>you are moving the crabs from ververia to sunset islands?
While technically it's not a either or situation, I do think crabs with reefs on top of them are a neat idea, and that we should try to keep Ververia a bit more grounded (Since Lapsaria has, at least originally, very few actual monsters and such)

>>82270633
see >>82262840
I have to say, unless they're like substantially different, I agree that there's a bit much crossover on the mercenary fire priestess.
I do like the newer art more for sure tho

>>82271156
Sounds alright, I hadn't realized the problem was beyond just the art.

>>82262840
>>82262609
Yeah kinda same feeling here.
the Iffrit feel kinda out of place in the Sunset isles and to an extent the setting as a whole

it was one of the bigger problems I had with the original Barbaros suggestion as well

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>>82270623
> The Native Islander

> Invaded by paleskin foreigners
> They kill us with unnatural fire
> Why do our ancestor-gods not burn them alive
> We only wanted to cannibalise in peace

>>82271640
I like it but
> Invaded by paleskin foreigners
The paleskins haven't started invading them yet

>>82271793
It's probably the natives from the island that the settler has been granted.

>>82271793
I wouldn't say so, I imagine if the Tarcan is anything to go by, adventurers and Princedom folk have probably tried a few times to take islands over the age of sail.
But Lapsaria is 'different' in that they're able to actually deal with the bugs and the disease and the natives as their sciences advance. Same thing that enabled the rush for Africa after Europe could barely penetrate the coasts.

>>82270909
Alright, finished the edits to the Sunset Islands stuff.

Captured most of the existing info / brainstorming, plus added some mundane ideas to fill in some of the blanks.

Left the topics of religion, flame, and coral mostly alone for now, also didn't include any past info on Barbaros since it has been retconned so many times.

Feel free to challenge stuff since it is mostly not my ideas anyways.

>>82272626
Good job shrew.

Has anyone had the chance to read through the basic resolution mechanics of the system and have comment?

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>>82271640
And we're done(?). The 4x4 for the Susnet Isles has been finished, though it can still be edited and maybe even expanded, if there's demand for that

>>82273137
I'd love to see Sunset Isles 8x8, but maybe we should shift focus to Masovii.

>>82273160
Yeah, the Sunset Compass is dope, but Masovii really needs some attention.

>>82273160
>>82273190
I say importance goes Masovii > Hasyym > Sligaff.

>>82273137
Maybe expand to a 6x6, but leave it in the backburner so that we can develop other areas further? Just like the Jasentorf Compass.

>>82273206
Personally I'd rank Masovii and Siglaff in the same space. Siglaff is the most autonomous of the commonwealths constituents, but she is still a part of the the country.

Hasyym depresses me too.

>>82273206
I think that, if we're talking compasses, we can join Sligaff and Masovii. As for Hassym, I'm not even sure they are complex enough to need their own compass.

Though for general development, I'd also tie Sligaff in with Masovii, and maybe place stuff like Tarca, Freeskalon and some minor development to the nations furtehr south we haven't even created yet.

>>82273241
Hasyym is like making a compass about the crack den the size of Chechnya.
It's rough man.

>>82273160
>>82273190
>>82273190
>>82273206
>>82273230
Masovii + Siglaff 5x5 to make up for the fact it's sorta a 1.5 kinda thing

>>82273271
>the crack den the size of Chechnya.
Isn't that just Chechnya?

>>82273386
Chechnya is Crack, meth, opium, and various stages of Islamic and National interest.
This is just the crack. Everyones on the crack and is turning tricks to get it, and you can't have shit.

>>82273241
we could also still stand to make one for Duritas, it could use more fleshing out

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Controversial Opinion: Sea Snails

>>82273531
Pretty based, I second this motion

Masovii:
>Wood <----> Gem
>Predestined <----> Stochastic

>>82273591
This also is supposed to convey both Wood & Gem are stone aligned at their base, rather than Masovii having any real portion of their population being Fish aligned. The closest are Sligaffi salt users.

>>82273575
Sorry didn't see you responded, wouldn't have deleted.

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>>82263507
Alright, here's my third take on Ververia's culture map. I still want to include some small pockets of Ververian culture in the forts and some of the larger cities in the marshes, I still have to clean up some messier bits of the map, and I still need some basic shit on there like a legend, but I think it's going pretty well.

>>82273271
We can try fleshing them out a bit

Corruption (Oil) vs Tradition (Stone?)

Predator (warriors, thugs, mercenaries) vs Prey (beggars, poor rural folk)?
>>82273137
Ignoring the debates about how both fire and coral could theoretically fit under both fish and stone (and also that fire could be its own thing, and fire worshippers potentially worship both fake and real fire), how exactly do the coral faith and fire faiths work?

I am guessing coral would be some really weird shit emphasizing change for the sake of change, and self improvement via coral (also degeneracy and getting high), while fire would be more violent and (slightly) less decadent.

But do they each have multiple gods, or one god, etc. What are their rituals, tenets, and organization?

>>82273942
>Corruption (Oil) vs Tradition (Stone?)
>Predator (warriors, thugs, mercenaries) vs Prey (beggars, poor rural folk)?
love this

>>82273942
>>82273976
Seconding. It's a good concept.

>>82273942
IIRC fire religion, at least insofar as The Fire Maiden part of it, is a roundabout was of worshipping Auntie. The light of the flame is Her's and the danger is just as near. Flames cast shadows, and it is in the darkness where she bides.
I see the Volcano's themselves as an object of worship. They are the arbitrators of the islands, maker and unmaker. What has been given can be taken away.
I see sacrifice not as a gift to placate, but rather the cleansing of the vile and impure. It's not to bribe a spirit, but to show that they can police themselves, and don't need the judgement of the Volcano to come to them. Foreigners act in the wrong customs, wrong manners, wrong minds - that is why often, if they can get away with it, foreigners are the regular targets of sacrifice. The diseased are too seen as unclean. This may sound strange, as the jungles and waters contain myriad diseases and poisons, but think about it - it is only through the cleansing of those susceptible that the current islanders are as resilient as they are. Those who have immunity have lived and spread.

>>82273942
>Corruption (Oil) vs Tradition (Stone?)
>Predator (warriors, thugs, mercenaries) vs Prey (beggars, poor rural folk)?
I like this a lot.

>>82273942
>Corruption (Oil) vs Tradition (Stone?)
>Predator (warriors, thugs, mercenaries) vs Prey (beggars, poor rural folk)?
I really like this, but do you think there's enough there to fill in a 4x4?
If yes, then I can get to work on the compass itself tomorrow, as rn I need to sleep

>>82274149
the oil/corruption side should be easy and fun - we already got the oil wrestler done, the sell sword written for, and the belly dancer is pretty much inevitable, also a good chance to show off oil mutations as discussed earlier

the tradition side may be trickier, it needs some sort of gimmick other than tobacco pipes and probable stone worship - on the plus side we already got the Hasyyiam Elder we can use - maybe do some abandoned monuments/sacred relics/gods to emphasize few follow the old gods anymore

>>82269899
good morning. Honestly, I dunno, continue doing your thing, it's wild and good, and I'll just be annoyed at having to do extra work to find what to draw.
Or maybe do this: Do the same thing as always and then at the end of the post write: "Personally, I like X and Y most."

>>82273532
Nobody wants to admit it, but he's right

>>82273942
>>82274149
>>82274425
>>82274099
are you seriously debating doing Hasyym or however you spell that before Masovii?

>>82274799
I mean why not, it's up to whoever wants to take the time to draw up the format.

>>82274808
true enough

>>82273137
I'd just like to say that Tarcans don't just have pink skin and red eyes. the Settler is just very upset. The mask fo the native should probs be white.

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>>82273735
Take 4. It's getting closer to where I want it to be, but there's still some clean up, and minor things here and there I want to change. Any thoughts so far?

>>82275302
Is it possible you could add labels on the map?

>>82275321
Fuck! I meant to add one in this version, but it completely slipped my mind. Definitely will add a legend in the next version.

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For reference, Ethnic map of Finland

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>>82275436
and of Hungary, of course tracked in more detail because a.) 50 years later and b.) done by a government that gives a shit about it

>See compass born in generic thread
>Watch it unfurl into a full blown setting
>Even a system in the works
It works the cockles of my heart to see /tg/ get shit done once again.

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>>82268417

>>82275710
love it

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>>82275302
Take five.

It ended up messier than I was hoping, especially around cities and such, but overall I think it looks pretty good so far.

>>82276294
nice, thank you map anon. The messiness probably has to do with doing ethnicities and geography on the same map, that is bound to look overburdened

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>>82276302
Thanks! And yeah, I started doing this on just a geography map, but the only version with the fixed rivers was the city version and so I figured I'd just work with that.

Also, reposting map because I fucked up a layer in the last one and it was driving me crazy.

Damn that's some project right here, i will need some time to read everything, to even understand what's happening here.

>>82276331
the main ethnicity should definitely not be called Ververian, considering that both secondary ethnicities see themselves as fully Ververian.
Call em Verite instead, to indicate not that they constitute verberia but derive from it.

>>82275035
The mask is probably just a settler's face glued to a mask.
They probably would be very upset too.

>>82273591
When we get around to doing a northern compass, I propose
Blood <----> Knowledge
Glory <----> Survival

>>82277046
>>82275035
Another way of looking at it is as sunburn.

>>82277080
not bad, although the two seem quite similar. Maybe do blood - bone instead?

>>82277147
Blood and bone is even more similar.
I was thinking that knowledge was more religious, and that survival is pratical.
Glory would be a legacy and blood would be violence.
Thinking about it now, both of them are kind of too similar.

>>82277210
i'm saying the axes are similar. blood suggests glory and knowledge suggests prudence.

>>82277234
Yeah, that's what I said at the end, that the axis really are too similar.
Cold vs Tree?

>>82277234
glory and survival are a perfect pair already, o those i wouldnt change. Cold and Tree feels bad, contrasting things you dont wanna contrasted.
I actually really am starting to like blood and bone - both evoke glory and survival in equal meassure so all quadrants make sense and it evokes a dry/wet dichotomy which is actually instantiated ip there

>>82277338
meant for>>82277290

>>82277338
Well, the cold vs tree is that the tundra itself is cold and snow, it's danger.
The tree is the stonewood tree, it's the armour, it's the totems, its safety.
So cold would be the more nomadic tribes, or invaders, while tree are the more settled.
Or cold are the ones that want to live of the rundra and it's dangers, while the tree are those that want to change it.
All the conpass have weird contrast that we put a meaning to, so I don't het why it would be so bad.
Meanwile blood and bone is too close for my tastes, better to use only one of them and contrast it to something different.
And I really am not seeing bone mean survival in any way, for me it means the opposite, death. Or cannibalism.

>>82277430
So I propose
Blood <----> Knowledge
Cold <----> Tree