This is a crowd sourced endeavor to create a setting and rpg.What was produced is pic related, the setting of LEVIATHAN (the name is a work in progress), the World of Sacred Oil and Broken Stone. The purpose of this thread is to organize to continue filling out the Lore Document, congregate for map making, and for developing an RPG system for this setting.The story of the world is emergent, being developed as we discuss and explore the Compass. The Docs provides most in-depth explanations of most items, but the main conflicts of the setting are as follows:> The Lapsarians have a secret Bargain with the Ocean Gods for Oil: A fuel source, the heart of the recent industrialization, and food-item which provides boons to those who consume it, though at a cost> The Durite people who are colonized by the Lapsarians are revolting, drawing from both traditional and newfound powers to fight back against their oppressors> The remnants of old Lapsarian Rebellions, such as the Last Captain and his crew, still haunt the waters where they were defeated, a sacrifice as part of the Bargain> New powers, like the Industrialists and the Tycoons, fight for dominance in the cities, opposing both each other and other groups (such as the mysterious Hooks) in an ever escalating conflict> All the while and above all human struggles, the Monolith and the Sea Gods exert their influence, their goals (if any) unknowableLore Dump Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjU2GkiDq5tJ8Ih9A9LxyHhC3cvmQANYG579UDgxuOM/edit?usp=sharingRPG System: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f5_EIAdm3fwycQjU4nyoCoAqdRtDj0-rDgtw170SpsALast thread:>>82143239Ongoing Discussions:> What even is up north?> Local Lapsari geography> Scheduled Shitposting Session
>>82155056>>82153935 >The Narwhale>It carries the sword>it's numbers have been increasing, the tribals know not whence>The sacred Oil>The sacred Oil
To add on to that, a) why does Ververia still exist and b) Why is is so big?If we're going by the political maps devised (i.e >>82147702), Ververia is still a pretty big place, so it wasn't fully annexed by Lapsaria. Is that because annexing them was never part of the war? If so, then what did they gain from the war? Was is a pretty costly thing, and I'm not sure it would have ended without any Lapsarian territory growth unless they were eeither pushed back or if there was some other benefit from it.
>>82155094Is thisa recommendation for tthe chart itself?Because I'm not sure where we'd fit it (Supposedly in the Pain/Fish quadrant, unless you ahve some suggestion of ways to move stuff around.
I think the up north is mostly fleshed out. One aspect we COULD expand on is the prisons and mental asylums up in the region. Is there a secret political society in the camp., plotting a revolt? Is the commandant a heretic? Does the secret police have informers, even in the mines?
>>82155140I don't mind if it doesn't go on the chart. But if it does, that's my recommendation
>>82155118I think the war was to get more slabs to ground into dust.So instead of annexing Ververia, Lapsaria got the portion of the territory it actually wanted.As for why it's so big, maybe mostbof the territory is just tundra or sparcely populated, like alaska or siberia?
>>82155178Then that raides other questions. The ear was declared for Slabs, but why would ververia be Slab rich if it's so far from the monolith? Is it a consequence of their specific religious practices?
>>82155118>>82155178>) why does Ververia simply, because Lapsaria lost, or at least didn't win well. They responded to SOMETHING with the introdcution of industrial slab knights. They didn't go: Oh right, so slab knights, this new unit we have, works perfectly well, we don't need to upgrade it. They went: alright, this whole thing needed cannons, shit.Literally the only chart-level canon we have on them is that thes prompted Lapsaria to upgrade some of their knights.
>>82155118>Veveria, the Venitii's hyper-spastic cousins>Ancestral grudges against every one of their neighbors in Lapsaria>Local intrigues induce genuine schizophrenia in the upper castes>Lower castes ignore it, continue tending the orchards >State religion centered around worship of an 'ascended' Voivode>Said Voivode is kept alive in the basement and has been mutating for several centuries>No longer ambitious, just kind of regrets he put Veveria into a situation where the country needs meds>Lost most of its fertile land as concessions for the Veverian incident>Local lower casts experimenting with dust and cannons >Once they finish organizing the upper castes legitimately don't stand a chance>There's just one very lost Slab Knight who got taken in by a Low-Caste family and has learned to enjoy apple and pear farming>Only country where a swift revolution will probably produce an absolutely better situation>Schizoid Aristocrats and Priests are gonna put up one hell of a fight>Janisseri tradition, one Janisseri in charge of the mint is the only reason the country hasn't already collapsed>Mask Traditions similar to the Veniti, but a high-caste exclusive thing>The North got raided again>No one cares to help
>>82155206Maybe, there is abit in the docs that they are more totemic than menhir and monolith based.Maybe they just like collecting slabs and putting on an specific place.>>82155208But I also like this near victory, ended with a white peace and a small gain in territory.
>>82155208I like this. They went in expecting to fight backwater tundra tribes, but the Tundra tribes knew how to use the environment (and what lives in this environment) against the Lapsarians, so they were able to mostly annex/occupy the non-frigid territories.
I don't know who or why had the idea to make the axes Faith - Pain and Fish - Stone, and I don't know why it caught on so much, but I love how it went and how it goes.Even if the system (even if I like the dice pool mechanic) and lore dump end up being trash fire, the compass itself and the tidbits that Anons add in those thread area pretty schway, not gonna lie.
>>82155214so why was this slab knight central then?
I also remember something about the original slab breaker actually being from Vervaria or something?We need to look through the past thread to see if any information that was lost before we started doing the docs.
>>82155253It's like a Tank got bonked on the metaphorical noggin and decided to get bonked get into tractor work.This will probably come up again but for now it's a little light point in a place that doesn't have a lot of levity.
I think I like Ververians as a mostly unimportant tribe, ideally related to the Suuri like someone in the last thread suggested. Unlike the Durites, when the Lapsarians came, they mostly just migrated a little further north, maybe beyond a river. Since the slabs have since gone haywire all over the lapsarians, the Lapsarians haven't given chase.
Norther border officer>Saw some shit>In Akademia they didn't taught this>Suuri stole all food>Drink to get warm>Alcoholic>Last hand-to-hand was blood bath
>>82155325Compare this guy and the soldier with the hero and headhunter.The tribals are having the time of their lives with the Lapsarians in the tundra.Probably more food them they ever had before.
>>82155325Big fan of this guy.
DCMA technician>Stinks burned oil >Lungs poisoned with chemical vapes >Didn't see salary for three months >Steals and sells machinery and details on black market >At least, they feed us on job>>82155325>why didn't they send me to Southern border
>>82155381they also, very likely, are getting slaughtered. We're looking a tthis from the Lapsarian perspective and hwo miserable it isto be cold, on foreign territory, and hunted, but at the end of the day, they're still an orgaized, industrialized army with no qualms of killing civilians.
>>82155325I'd honestly perfer this guy over the Southern Border Soldier on the compass. The Southern Border Soldier makes no sense geographically, and would be more likely just the same as the Lapsarian Infantryman.
>>82155407Lapsaria also has her resources committed to dealing with the Durites.The North is cowboy country by comparison.>>82155424We should refit him to be the Vastian patrol.
>>82155436>LIFE HAS MANY DOORS, YAKBOY!
>>82155436>Lapsaria also has her resources committed to dealing with the Durites.>The North is cowboy country by comparisonoh yea, it's a fucking farce of an occupation, there's a few penal colonies up there and otherwise it's just a few battalions of Lapsarians with sub-par equipment. It's just that it's not much better for the other side.
>>82155424Tbh, I just drew him to illustrate my chart for northern border regiment
>>82155407Eh, a bunch of their cousins died last raid, that's like a whale hunt and a large wendigo attack at once, but they also looted a bunch of trophies, got way more food and the position of hero opened up.If Lapsaria focuse their effort inving instead of border patrol it would be different, but than again what would they want in that frozen hellscape?
>>82155436I don't think Lapsaria's agenda or geography necessitate a Vast patrol. Hassym and Massovii and the mountains between them form enough of a barrier. Lapsaria's ambition is more on the coast and out towards the islands
>>82155496It's not like there's a bunch of whales and potential dredging pit under the ice right?
>>82155461Potentially, but there's a distinction in that the locals can (and need to) keep their non-combatants out of the worst of it. They also have the home-field advantage, and the wood boys have some banzai-charge mentality.So melee is an absolute slog and the penal camps are miserable, but for everyone outside of that slog you're up the hill in the woods looking at it going: "Sure does suck over there huh?">Sips bark tea.>>82155499If their ambitions were coastal they wouldn't have bothered going inland at all. They've banned the pilgrimages but if they actually want to enforce that they need to guard their interior border.
>>82155496Oh, any raid will likely come out completely acceptible for Suuri standards. It's more the massacres that happen whenever Lapsarians retaliate (which, as you have pointed out, is not often due to the nature of their presence) that hurt. And of course it is also right to say: well they can't find the tribes easily, and: they can be ambushed in the snow, but as with any semi-modern military, they can really make their numbers count if necessary against a less advanced opponent. I'm not saying the Suuri are being exterminated, just that it's an ugly ordeal for them as much as for the Lapsarians
>>82155530Bah, any tribe that gets caught by those weaklings that can't even deal with a small breeze deserve what they got.Did they get too greedy, stayed in a place too long and moved the women and children closer? Bet those dumbasses would also throw themselves at the narwhals and wendigo at the first mimicry.Good riddance I say! Now if only those neighbour that stile our food last winter would get themselves killed as well...
>>82155492Oh do you need illustrations for all the regiments? I'd be up for that.>>82155566I'm beginning to think the Suuri are a bit dickish sometimes
>>82155578The new Suuri are full go-getter warrior culture. They didn't come here for the weather, the arrived because there was space and people to raid. Comparatively the Old-Suuri are almost extinct and the Aemids are just chugging along in the back.I'd also put their positions on the Lapsari spectrum as such: Old Suuri (Fish)Ie;(Worm) | 'New Suuri' Qamis (Whatever let's me hit good) | Aemids (Yak)
>>82155514Good seed for a future conflict, but we don't want to steal the limelight from the Durite conflict. >>82155530>just that it's an ugly ordeal for them as much as for the LapsariansDifferent anon. I like the idea that the "conflict" is more just opportunistic - dare I say, even casual- for the Suuri, and that they have a numerical and home field advantage. I don't think everything in the setting has to be a death struggle. The Suuri could make war on the Lapsarians, but they don't NEED to at this time. They crack skulls and swipe shinies when they feel like they'll get away with it.
>>82155618Yeah, it's a potential plot hook for industrialists, professors or anyone that wants to keep the industry but lose the bargain.It's food to have those in my opinion, give PCs something to accomplish.
>>82155618I've been convinced
>>82155657> The only way to end the bargain with the fish people and keep the industry is to go north and massacre the indigenous peopleThat's one hell of a choice. I like it
>>82155694Or change the main fuel to black salt, which other than the conplete overhall nescessary, also means either a massive war with Masovii or becoming completly dependent on them.There is no easy way out of this.
>>82155578>do you need illustrations for all the regimentsIt could be nice.
>>82155733can you post the chart with what needs done? PLus any things you wanna have included personally
>>82155740My fucking sides, all the memes that come out of this setting are god tier.
Where should we put her?
>>82155750>chart with what needs doneHeh, it doesn't exist, at least for now.
>>82155241Looks neat!> Any ideas?regarding the Geography? Not really. I'm thinking the southern splotches of water are meant to be swamp-esque deals, and having some cold ass swamps for the tundra people could fit
>>82155775oh, arent you the military chart anon?
>>82155657>>82155694>>82155715This is all weighty stuff for the players to have to navigate their way through. Good stuff>>82155740jejThe Aemids are just watching all this like>"I have no control over any of this">Eats Nak cheeseI feel like the prisoners that escape the mine might wind up with the Aemids. They seem like kind-hearted folks.
>>82155772>>82155787[2,8]? though, to be fair, that'd be stretching the definition of Fish to any organic-related mutation/association
>>82155787Honestly depends on the nature of the worm.But probably more towards pain, if she was just a normal cultist, she wouldn't get exiled from Kyugoryo.
>>82155787>Where should we put her?The Suitor's bedchamber, of course.
>>82155882> The worms are ribbed for his pleasure
>>82155882Oh fuck no, he's going to get worm STD.
>>82155814>"This shit is wiggity-wack guys.">"So anyways I started selling them droppings and cheese."I like 'em.>>82155893Add it to the list.
>>82155904Yeah, but those were local.Now there is going to be a epidemic in Lapsaria.
>>82155939>All according to the Alerian Merchants scheme>The Scheme to become rich off of genital-creams
>>82155893Implying he doesn’t already have a natural immunity
Ok lads, I'm going to be busy for the majority of today, leaving now and won't be back until evening. When I get back I'll update the compass before continuing on the map. Pic related is the map, I need you all to start naming regions (feel free to just puts names in MSPaint) so I can later do the text along rivers/mountains and what not. I also need folks to place cities.This is version 1, I'll nicen things up as I go (as much as I can). To Add:>>82153935>>82152412>>82155325>>82155400>>82155787>>82152774>>82149961To Replace:>>82146534With all of these we'll be at 117/121, so only 4 more slots to go.
>>82155882Can Suitor handle the maiden beneath?
>>82156012Who do you think gave him the gifts, and how do you think they did it?
>>82156012well, if he can't, I guess the Jessentorf Prince's job just got easier
>>82155996might have a go at designing a narwhal I think the grotesque tentacle mouth belongs on the arctic worm, and the narwhal should be more like the whales
>>82156186My headcannon stil is that the narwhal is just eating a giant squid, so the tentacles are not part of him.
>>82156221nope that image is of a narwhal with a tentacle mouth. Gotta redesign it if you don't like it.
>>82156236Headcannon doesn't care for facts.
>>82156256in my headconon it does
>>82156265So it's time for a cannon war.I'm recruiting the venitii.
>>82156284>God please no my walls>River gun go BOOM BOOM
>>82156301What's a taboo or weakness for the Venitii? We haven't explored that much
>>82156314>The mask stays on>Oh boy here I go drowning again>Halal but the meat needs to be pork?
>>82156314They live in small towns and villages that flood and are quite insular.And although they use cannons and guns, they are still better using their heirloom crossbows.Also they spend way too much time decorating their weapons and uniforms, the weirdos.
>>82156360>A naked weapons indicates a naked man
>>82156314>>82156360they also seem to have a big trade off where they sacrifice cutting edge technology (regardless of oil) for long-honed perfection, to the point where they still also construct ballistae
>>82156382Yeah, reason they are such good cannoneers is that their skill translated well, not because they were cutting edge inovators. The fact that they also have a surprisingly pratical mentality for a people that value tradition also helps.
>>82156580And once again, another treasure is dug up from the dredging pits.
remember the salt merchant?
>Sunset Islands Jungle>full of rare spices and delicious fruit>the very flowers sing to you>hey wait, what's that spike growing out of your skin?>w-why is IT singing?
>>82156709Yeah, but I think that the migrant, trader and the transplant ended up taking all of his roles.
>>82156711Maybe we should connect it with corals to prevent multiplication of eldritch entities
>>82156810I think that fits pretty well with the Sunset Island MO
>>82156810In this example, it's a land coral type thing; but more broadly the diseases in the Sunset Island jungles are extremely numerous. Everything from boils to the runs to horrible coral-spike zombies.
>>82156855Are they actual undead, or some sort of rabies humans?
>>82156890I don't think there's any actual undead in the setting yet, so let's not do that. The coral just puppets them around.
>>82156855Hmm i can imagine parasitic coral polyps. Thought what if Sunset islanders were able to "domesticate" infected animals covered in coral armour and use them as a weapons? Like imagine how metal will be ride armoured zombie-elephant or zombie-whale controlled by special chemicals. To explain how disease is endemic to islands we can say that corals cannot live at low humidity and low temperature.
Really we don't have to do the coral zombie, it was just supposed to be an example.
>>82156936Yeah im totally going to draw coral-infested war elephant
>>82156940yea I feel like coral zombies are a bit left field
>>82157021>>82156940Rabid humans with parasitic coral on them fits better.
>>82157040I agree wholebuttedly
>>82157040It evens fits previous lore of the corals being mind altering.It just that this time you don't even have to go out of your way to get fucked over, and you get no high from it too.
>>82156855Maybe instead of regular jungles just go with literal land coral jungles? Anything outside the mainland is not for Vast to take.
>>82156936Here he comes! *toot full of pain and anger*
>>82157252That's a bit over the top isn't it? Morrowind mushroom land are cool and exotic, but it might be too much of a shock all at once.Maybe have some land coral frowing in some trees like vines though.
If we ever do a Sunset Island compass, the axis should be Coral-Flame, Wealth-Power
>>82157295Coral flame is cool. Any specific reason for Wealth-power? I like it, but want to know you reasoning behind it
>>82157392Traders vs military
>>82157398Hmm, I'd rather have something more akin to Wealth-Faith, but we already have faith for the current one.I think Power can have some overlap with Wealth, but as longa s we keep to other forms of power (Political, Religious, etc) it should be fine. Though this does have the consequence of estabilishing Wealth a very important part of Sunsetian culture
>>82157412Well what's a good counterpart to Wealth then? I do think the merchants should have a lot of pull. They're the spice islands, after all.
>>82157295Oh no, it's the revenge of the Synacean Dualist.
>>82157453It's not really dualism in this case, because the Flame is from the Oil, so if you put them on the regular compass both coral and flame would be fish aligned.
>>82157453>>82157460I ahd an opposite interpretation. If Flame is the Volcanoes that have been mentioned before, Flame is another apsect of the monolith, while Coral is neither Stone nor Fish, but something in the middle
>>82157460>>82157460I thought the flame was from the volcano.Am I an idiot?
I'm late to the party, but I'm enjoying what is being created
>>>>8215744482157474Thanks for the bump anon, see you next thread.Here's your (You) ration.
>>82157498What the fuck happened to that post?>>82157474Here it is, I'm not a liar.
>>82157474playing with dress up dolls is great fun, you should try it
>>82157481>>82157472I wrote the original description of the Coral Peddler and the Sunset Islands, and to me the "Flame from Oil" worshipers were a vocal religious minority that stood against the "evil" coral drug addicts and instead pushed the "cleansing" power of Oil, as well as favoring its military applications.
>>82157513considering the coral pedler on the compass has clear signs of oil-addiction, yellow eyes and growing scales, that can't be so diametrically opposed
>>82157435>Well what's a good counterpart to Wealth then?Faith would be good but repetitive. >>82157444's suggestions are good, but I think thet might have a few of the same issues.Maybe something like Prosperity - Corruption?I think the axii being more esoteric might lead to more interesting discussions> I do think the merchants should have a lot of pull. They're the spice islands, after all.I also agree with this interpretation, (even thoug it's not documented/developed yet) which is why I think Power would be counter intuitive, as it would imply Wealth isnt power.
>>82157530I'd agree to that, but the Flame From Oil fanatics are a breed apart. Overall the Sunset Islands have deep connections to both coral and oil.
>>82157435Oppulence - Chastity?Property - Nature?
>>82157513Fair, though I think there's space for both interpretations of Flame, as this can make the dynamics of the compass more interesting
>>82157513The oil is the cleasing blood of the volcano of course.The whales are thieves, and by killing them you are retrieving the flame.
>>82157548>>82157563Prosperity - Nature might be cool
I'm gonna go to bed soon. If you want a dress up doll drawn for you, give me one or two (not twenty) ideas and I may pick some to do before going to sleep
>>82157474Well because wojak and supplements are already wall-eyed it's hard to fail at drawing modifications so everybody can contribute to the setting.
>>82157616I want to see how you think the Yothestein prince looks like.There's also the wendigo so we can finish up the norf.
>>82157616Weird shepherd and his sea-cow.
>>82157672redpill me on Yothenstein>>82157674what the hell are you talking about
>/tg/ getting shit done Sounds fake
>>82157692>what the hell are you talking aboutyou know. underwater manatee herders.
>>82157692The Freeskalön people. They're swamp folk with pig-manatees. Sweet but they'll eat anything.
>>82155783>I'm thinking the southern splotches of water are meant to be swamp-esque dealsTried to show pic-related terrain.
>>82157746that's what I took it as desu
>>82157692Shit, there was something last thread gimme a second.
>>82157692The Jasentorf Prince>Everyone thinks the prince is secretly an elaborate genius just playing dumb>Is actually that dumb but things keep going in his favor because his rivals keep undermining themselves out of sheer paranoia and 4th dimensional chessing themselves>Is genuinely just trying to have a good time and make friends and worst yet believes his rivals are being honest about being his friend>or does he just want you to believe that?>Prince is leaving behind evidence for Maid, as she's the best hope for doing something with it>How the prince gathered said evidence and if he is doing so intentionally is a mystery the maid doesn't have the patience to solve>wipes his slovenly spittle with a document on plans for the next durite pogrom>"Here Miss, would you be a dear and take this to the trash for me?">The suitor is the only who is genuine with the prince>This is because he actually believes everything the prince says because he's not paranoid and can't be intimidated>Doesn't reveal what the other nobles think of the prince to him because he doesn't want to ruin the prince's fun>As a result the prince and the suitor are good friends>The suitor doesn't take advantage of this to eliminate the prince or other rivals even though he easily could>Doesn't need to do so anyway> the suitor knows the truth about the prince> He's not scared shitless of how smart the prince is> He's scared shitless of how unbelievably lucky the prince is
>>82157746Oh. No clue what to call these, but makes sense.
>>82157768Part 2>The Deacon; Impossible! You've entered my most Sacred Sanctum!>The Deacon; You dastardly Jasen demon... Tell me good prince, before I kill you. Who sent you? How did you get past my traps? And the ravenous mudskippers?>The Prince; Oh dearie me this is your bathroom? Oh I thought I'd taken a wrong turn!>The Prince; I'll just get out of your hair, you look like you need to use it way more than I, and I really need to use the bathroom!>The Prince; Oh and by the way. Your dogs are very cute but they're a little wet.>Imagine that whenever the prince is "revealed" as that dumb, it just makes the person think he's toying with them
>>82156221>>82156186>>82155996>with his tusk he hunts>for his tusk he's hunted
While I am happy to see all the minor nations getting fleshed out more I think now that we actually have a functional map of lapsarian's territory we need to start flushing out some of it's internals more. Specifically I looked at major cities section of the lore doc and we don't even have a name or location for the capital yet. So here's some questions regarding that.>what do we call the capital city>Is it on one of the four rivers or on one of the bays that isn't Capri Bay?>What are the demographics of the city?>Probably come up with some ideas for the Tsarina's palace and the Deacon's Church/Cathedral>The various districts of the city>Is the capital the hub of the industrialization or is it another city?>Cultural Quirks of Capital born Laprasian's versus more rural Laprasians
>>82157672Isn't the prince already in the compass?
>>82157481>>82157472There are two flames : flame from the oil (religious minority, vocal among the sunset isles) and the volcano (Barbaros only). By default, flame cultists should refer to the first. I will try to revamp Barbaros to make them less edgy. More like sea fremens than warhammer-tier chaos worshippers. Oh, and if there is still someplace on the compassthe Barbaros survivor :>the gods have betrayed him>used to be the best sailor around>taught the durite rebel his people's secrets>will destroy Lapsaria if it's the last thing he does
>>82157692The Yothestein Prince>Ancestor was one of the original Princes>Spent the last 40 years killing his distant cousins>Has regained his birthright>I'm not paying those loans, lmao>>82157768>>82157790Wrong prince, even if he is my favorite
>>82157789I heard, that finns and siberian tribes know name for it.>>82157791Honestly, just waiting for Smug Pepe with horn.
>>82157791Now if only it was pale like the other one, it would be the superior version.
>>82157802>Barbaros onlyWell, someone suggested making Barbaros a part of the Susnet Isles, and if we're planning a specific compass on them no reason not to include the Barbarossians. Though yeah, the term "Flame Cultists" should be primarilly related to the oil ones, we'll find another name for the barbarossians
>>82157834might make a great white Narwhal, but first I wanna do up an arctic scale worm
>>82157834no way, mine's much better
>>82155996Map from last thread btw>>82157798I'm pretty sure all of the rivers have their own fleshed out ethnicity at this point so I think one of the bays would be most appropriate.We still haven't decided which bay is Capri bayBut there's like a dozen smaller bays we could shove the capital into.
Need name for red region on the map for northern border military chart. Can anons come up with something?
>>82157863If it didn't have the beard, it would be.>>82157798>>82157873Doc say old capital was between Capri and Timajor, so probably wasn't coastal.But that can be changed
>>82157884well it's north of the timajor, which I think has been said to be a rather barren steppe, so something like The northern Timajor plain
>>82157931It's not a name, you wouldn't call Scotland just northern Britain.
>>82157893the beard is what makes it good
>>82157959The beard is what makes it bad.
>>82157725here you go>>82158012the beard is what makes it good, and you'd see it too if you weren't blinded by a desire for conventionality. Like look at these two lovers in pic related. You would deny them their unconventional love?
>>82157884The Venitii Valley?The Old Gate?The Trans-Timajor Gap?
>>82155424>Southern Border SoldierTo be honest, I like the idea of desert troops, but may be let it be auxiliary or colonial forces.
>>82158043That'd be more a far eastern soldier than a southern one. And even then the desert is more gobhi than sahara
>>82157884I can’t draw on my phone but that smaller bay jutting off the larger should be Capri. The one that a River is emptying out into.
>>82155996one question, how exactly are we divying up the rivers?For example, the rightmost river should be tthe Nemijski since it'd be the boorder with the Durites. But would the Nemijski bee only the right most part of that river? And one of the otehr rivers that feed into it another one of the important rivers? Or would all of it be the just the Nemijski, and the other three rivers are completely separate from them?>>82158072Like this?
>>82158037Jesus that’s great.
>>82158037But the tentacle face is the worm's thing. The narwhal is trying to steal their job!Good job anon.
>>82158096Move the Nemijski over, the dirtiest plane is everything east of the initial mountains.
>>82157884I googled headwaters in Russian and it came up with Verkhov'ya, so how about something like Verkhov'ya Timajor?
>>82158133Huh, true. I'll move it and add a couple other geographical details
>>82158119they are brothers and the beard is their eternal bond
>>82158133Also that one isn't the largest part of the river, so it can't be the one with the name.
Okay, how about for Sunset Islands it is Oil/Flame vs Coral, Wealth vs Secrets.The Wealth vs Secrets being the conflict between opening the country up to export its riches across the world, and keeping the country's riches close to the chest for their own benefit.
>>82158164>>82158149I will try when I get back home to edit to make the Venit more on the map. I’ll see what I can do for those edits.
>>82158201Thanks, It'd help>>82158149How's this for the ethnical distribution of lapsaria? (More of a general Pictire, since tthe Unification there's been some moving around of some people, but this is their historical lands)
>>82158275I’m gonna alter the path of the westernmost river heading into the Capri and have it head into the Venit instead.
>>82158164>Also that one isn't the largest part of the riverThe main poart of the river can be te one with the biggest flow. Maybe the longer stretch is comparatively weak, and is thus considered a tributary of one of the more volumous parts>>82158284that could work. Would that be te Main body of the Venit river? Or just a tributary since it seems to have nearby competition heading towards the Capri?
>>82157944though they do call the Siberian steppe the central siberian plateau
>>82157803I did another one of the requested drawingsIN HONOUR OF THE NARWHAL BEARD!
>>82158275Yechods shouldn't have a land really, they should be sprinkled all over the heartlands.Better to have a place with a high concentration of them that is just one city in particular
>>82158275Lapsaria of course bleeds HEAVILY into the neighbours. Timajor and Kossoki land is filled with Lapsaria-majority towns and cities
>>82158306Truly, the look of a man who knows he's never gonna need to pay his interest.>>82158326Yea. Yechods are urbanites. Craft is everything, so you go where the craft is.
>>82158306Amazing, he really feels like a man that would pull off such this stunts.He may have become a prince, but he has also become bald.Was the price worth it?
>>82158275Change Aemii to Suuri
>>82158395Makes sense if we are going with Surii neing the collective name Lapsatians give to the northerners.The aemii are just one more on the pile.
>>82158326Fair. I was kinda divided on palcing tem in the map or not, so if there's any reason not to I'll take them off.>>82158345>Lapsaria of course bleeds HEAVILY into the neighbours. Timajor and Kossoki land is filled with Lapsaria-majority towns and citiesOh definitely. this is just the original ethnical distribution of these peoples, nowadays Lapsarian have spread out a lot>>82158395The Aemii aren't really part of the Suuri, they're the Yak herders to the north. Though I have added the Suuri>>82158275Adjusted a few things, and added some possible locations fo cities. Where should tthe Current capital be placed? I know in the docs it says between the Capri and the Timajor, but where exactly?
>>82158275So is there spill across the montains of Lapsarian colonization or are they stretched to their limits (and know it, crucially) on that front?
>>82158426Put the new capital at the fork between the Timajor and the Lapsari Lowlands. On the western side of the fork:
This is Jasentorf so far. As you may be able to see, I'm shit at formatting these.
So, uh, what exactly happened in Capri Bay?
>>82158521there's nothing unusual that happened in Capri Bay. It's just temporary closed off for construction. Nothing to see here
>>82158488The mad prince should be more centralized, he made his life goal of unifying a princedom that was splintered.So maybe exchange the herder and him?
as good as I'm gonna be able to do on the arctic worm
>>82158554Maybe the pale narwhal isn't a true narwhal, but some unholy fusion of worm and narwhal.It's the settings holy grail.
>>82158549But surely he wants as many powers to remain with principalities vs the greater state as possible?>>82158554would look better on a narwhal desu
>>82158574or just about the last thing you want see when you're an indentured durite pow mining arctic gold
>>82158072>desert is more gobhi
>>82158417I think the Aemii are, to a certain degree, part of Lapsaria. So it wouldn't make much sense to group them with the rest of the savages.Or at least, if they are ethnically related (Which we have no reason to belieeve yet but could be interesting) they are tamed and part of the empire, so it's useful to have the distinction in the map>>82158431I think since the Venit stretches outwards more westward, they might have expanded further on that front (though we'll get a clearer picture when CCa expands the map with more of the Venit). But I think tthat almost ecerything east on the Veenit they have occupied semi-extensively. I expanded them a bit westwards to represent that>>82158475Not sure I fully udnerstood where you mean. in my view, it should be somehwere with river access, since Riverboats are very important for transportation. Maybe upriver from Timajortura (westwards)?
>>82158531No, seriously, good part of the Fish/Pain quadrant reference Capri Bay. I wouldn't mind leaving it purposely vague if the compass was the only source of info on the setting, but by now some extra details would be good.
>>82158581He wants things to be more centralized into the hand of the twelve princes, now that he managed to be one once again.The minor states can go burn for all he cares, but unless he could pull of the impossible twice and get the crown, he will oppose a single leader.So his agenda now is oligarchy.
>>82158137>Verkhov'ya TimajorVerkhovoy Timajor
>>82158521An unfortunate rebellion against the Tsarina had to be put down and the region is currently under martial law as economic reconstruction is underway.
>>82158640I think what we have by now is that the last battle between the Navy rebels and the State happened in Capri Bay, and the defeat of the rebels helped seal the Bargain.Ever since, that whole area has been haunted by ghost ships/ghost crew/ghost tentacles, and the likes
>>82158640it's already plenty specific. There was an uprising, the background of which is well known, it was smashed with conventional means, the losing side that wasn't in the air looked for help from the deep and the help came in the form of making Capri Bay their cradle of ghostly immortality (or at least unageingness)
>>82158395No, the Aemii are fine where they are on there. The Suuri ought to be north of the mountains and into the tundra. Like this>>82158426>>82158521Freedom died in Capri Bay.>>82158355>Yea. Yechods are urbanites. Craft is everything, so you go where the craft is.Makes sense
>>82158666>Ever since, that whole area has been haunted by ghost ships/ghost crew/ghost tentacles, and the likesIs there any evidence of this? I think this is just secessionist/aerialist rumormongering.
>>82158679>the losing side that wasn't in the air looked for help from the deepI don't think it was willing. At least, from what has been discussed, the"Bargain" mentioned in the description of the Capri Bay Ghosts is the same bargain that brought the Oil, and the battle at Capri Bay was somewhat of a sacrifice for the Brackish Ones.
>>82158666There was also something about the cities and towns on the bay being depopulated afterwards and falling into ruin, people being taken into the mists. The cleaner squads gotta be cleaning something. >>82158679As far as I know the last captain and the capri bay ghosts didn't go willingly, they were sold out by the deacon to seal the bargain.
So, I think it is the best name suggestion and we can keep them both here. All agree?
>>82158737I think I like the latter better
>>82158705>I don't think it was willing. At least, from what has been discussed, the"Bargain" mentioned in the description of the Capri Bay Ghosts is the same bargain that brought the Oil, and the battle at Capri Bay was somewhat of a sacrifice for the Brackish Ones.As I see it, Capri Bay wasn't any kind of sacrifice in the metaphysical sense that they had to pay some blood debt or whatever. It was just the findal step by the Tsar/the Deacon to full adherence to the boons of the bargain. It's the point of no return: Once you've actively murdered everyone against it, there are none left that aren't children of the king.
>>82158679>it's already plenty specific. There was an uprising, the background of which is well known, it was smashed with conventional means, the losing side that wasn't in the air looked for help from the deep and the help came in the form of making Capri Bay their cradle of ghostly immortality (or at least unageingness)See, I wouldn't say it's specific, because I thought that it wasn't a crushed rebellion against Ancient Régime, but betrayal of loyal men by Tsarina to sacrifice them for the Bargain.
>>82158755We can use Verkhovoy Timajor as official name for the region, while the small valley will be better known as Kozijec path.
>>82158759>Once you've actively murdered everyone against it, there are none left that aren't children of the king.Huh, i didn't think of it that way. I quite like it.The onlyproblem with this interpretation would be some of the wording in the compass, that seems to imply the people that died were to a certain degree a payment (Brackish ones: "Collected Payment for the Bargain"; The last Captain: "Taken by the Brackish Ones")These two pieces of lore could be unrelated, but I think it'd be pretty off. So we know to a certain degree the death of the rebels was payment to something, though what is a good question
>>82158808That's not a problem though if you assume that the way he was taken was by forcing him into an unwinnible scenario. He was taken by the brakish ones liek a daughter may be taken by an abuser, he was forced to embrace them. And the sailors were collected as payment in exactly that non-metaphysical way above: Those which did not die were driven into the arms of the deep.
Could someone explain why there's tension between the Kossoki priest and the Lapsarians? I thought the Kossoki were supposedly devout in the Lapsarian faith.And does the Lapsarian faith contain the worship of all 4 deep ones?
>>82158772I think the timeline we had a couple of threads ago helped sort the order of events and make thing a bit clearer, but we haven't really incorporated the information we crystalized from that timeline anywhere. We should probably do it
>>82158865just ethnic tensions. From the side of the Kossoki priest, it's the common Kossoki attitude that Lapsarians can be tricked and exploited as much as you want as long as it's not hurting the faith, and from the side of the Lapsarians it's the idea that Kossoki are unwashed savages that soemtimes have to be removed to make room for more important stuff.
>>82158865Because the Kossoki priest is loyal to the Lapsarian faith.The Deacon has betrayed the faith and went for the King Fisher, but it's still faking being the head of the faith.Kossoki priests are probably being purged under the excuse of betrayal or ethinicity, when in truth is killing true faithful and putting tjose that are actually loyal to the Feacon himself in place.
Can't find lore for Hassyim, plz hlp.
>>82158865Lapsarian faith worships no deep ones, they worship a sea god in the more conventional sense.Think like Poseidoncults dedicated to the king and his court are outlawed in Lapsarian lands
>>82158958> "Oh, fuck you stone man. Maybe you and I should settle it right here on the oil-ring if you think you're so tough."
>>82158967Is that all?
>>82158958> The Hasyym, mountaineers whose gods were abandoned to worship pure oil, feverishly loyal to the Lapsarian crown (who supply them oil). While technically not part of Lapsaria, the Hasyym have grown so dependent on their Oil and Exports they are almost completely dominated by them, both Economically and in Spirit. Still very WIP, but this is the general gist
>>82158962>they worship a sea god in the more conventional sense.>Think like Poseidonthat is not settled lore, that's still debated in the google doc. As the guy who made all the religious wojaks, I included a lot of fishy hints, but not to imply that they were worshipping an Ocean god but just as a fun metatextual reference to their current corruption
>>82158958Afghanistan, but oil is their drug of choice.
>>82158977All that matters, yes
>>82158981What real culture I can relate to them?
>>82158865Tensions are mostly down to the extreme disrespect for royal authority on the part of the Kossoki, and the Lapsarian view that if they're not following the crown on crown land they should be purged from it.
>>82158988>>82158962There's also one idea that they were iconoclast stone worshippers.
>>82158948>>82158962could you elaborate a bit more more on the Deacon subverting the faith, and what the difference is? I wasn't here those earliest threads.>>82158977Pseudo-Arab oil addicts who have whored out their country to the Tsar.
>>82159000People like to associate them with middle eastern influences (Like >>82158996), but the specifics of their culture are still up in the air.
>>82159000Here you go>>82158996
>>82159019I thought that was for Ververia
>>82159000They're Caucasians. Like, Mountain Caucus Caucasians.
>>82159025There is a lot that is still undecided, but there also many ideas on the doc.I would take a look on the kossoki and political section to get some of the basics.There also was the timeline one anon was working on, it also helped.
>>82159025>could you elaborate a bit more more on the Deacon subverting the faith,The Deacon helped make the Deal with the Ocean Gods/brackish Ones/Hooks, and has remained in contact with them ever since, appeasing the Ocean Dwellers and pushing for their needs.But the original faith of Lapsaria isn't the Ocean Creatures, but something else (Apparently still under discussion), so by dealing with these eldritch creatures an pushing their agenda, the Deacon is corrupting and subverting the Lapsarian Religion, as he is the head of the religion and his actions/words have a heavy impact on the worshippers.
>>82159067Iconoclast Ververia idea appeared later, and for a completly different reason. (Bot having acess to the vast/surii influences vs jasentorfs fleeing the country after losing their heated religious debate and converting a pre-tsar).
>>82159137Although if both were stone iconoclast, the ververia campaign could add an extra layer of betrayal.These two countries that were one of the few that agreed on the issue suddenly going to war against one another.
>>82159093That said all that business is only really known to the DeaconLike I said before, the issues between the Kossoki and the Lapsarians stem from the fact that the Kossoki generally don't pay taxes or tithes, travel where they want without regard for borders or property ownership, don't use Lapsarian minted currency, doing most of their business with the bartering of goods, and have individuals or bands that on occasion turn to banditry to get loot or just cause issues for Lapsarians, whom they don't particularly respect as they find their way of life makes them weak and culturally repressed
>>82159181>That said all that business is only really known to the DeaconProbably, but tat doesn't stop other priests from judging he's acting odd regardung their faith and start resenting him for that.
Here is a new version of Barbaros. The original, edgier one was what young Lapsarians learn at school>Volcano island, much further from the Vast than the rest of the archipel (symptom of the monolyth's growing influence over the sea)>The sea is a benevolent father, he brings food and freedom to the worthy>the land is a brutal and fickle mother, she may burn and explode any time>Barbarosians live most of their lives on their ship. They are peerless sailors. >Spending time on land is unhealthy, cowardly and evil. >Develop unique shipwright, including whale bones in the construction for extra sturdiness and flexibility>take away the pain with corail, oil and meditation>Most of them show some minor mutations>when the sea is flat, you'll find most of the crew floating on their backs around the ship>ruthless pirates, they have been ransomming most of the archipel for as long as anyone remembers. Several expeditions failed to thwart them>Captain Sefa alledgedly circumnavigated the Vast all the way to Jem-Kyugoryo, and came back with mountains of precious stones.>The other sunset islanders don't have too much to fear, though. Cultural proximity and religious edicts turned piracy into surprise taxation/trade opportunity>to heretical, stone-worshipping mainlanders, there is no such mercy. They are enslaved and sold to the sunset markets. >There are no slaves on Barbaros. No stranger is allowed to set foot on the sacred island and live.>Twice a year, for the solstice celebrations, every captain sails back to Barbaros, their holds full of treasures and captives. >To thank the ocean for its generosity, gold and gems are thrown to the sea. >To quench the volcano's thirst for blood, prisoners are thrown into the pit. A select few are held above the crater, breathing noxious fumes. Their delirious babbling are the only way to predict the mountain's demands.
>>82159330>That was until the fire witch came. The fumes did not weaken her the slightest. She was grey-skinned, white-eyed and her breath smelled of sulfur and death.>She prophetized a time of war and struggle, a time where Barbarosians would have to prove they were the true heirs of the sea. > She asked for gold, jewels, servants, but above all she asked for Lapsarian blood. >A conflict was inevitable either way. A recent increase in whales population had made ship building much easier, and Barbaros' main export much less valuable. >Lapsarian whalers were caught, pillaged, sacrified to the volcano. >Even their mighty cannons merely kept them safe in the open. Should visibility decrease, and the nimble sloops would catch the steamers off guard, board them with a shipful of fanatical demons, or blow up their fragile engine with a well-placed oil bomb.>Lapsarians answered with airships and aviation and, for a while, it was a standstill. The spice road was Barbaros', the oil trade was Lapsaria's. >Then came Our Lady in Grey. A monster of a ship, unlike anything they had seen before. All attempts to stop it failed miserably as it cut a bloody path through the archipel, bringing the lapsarian fleet in its wake. >One thing the Lapsarian's school books depict with great exactitude is the battle for Barbaros, the crushing defeat of the islanders, and the bombardment that followed. >On the third day, the volcano erupted as the Lapsarian navy departed. It was the summer solstice.>The sea had a new chosen people. There has't been any serious attemps at a counter-attack by the barbarosian exiles. >Every crew either died or fled this fateful day. Cowards and dead mens don't make a good army. >Scattered, their diaspora did bring one last curse upon the landdwellers. >Fish cults have been appearing steadily on the coastline during the pas years. Barbaros may be destroyed, but its forbidden knowledge lives on.
>>82159181>>82159199>>82159093Alright, since the people who are legally heretics are in fact alligned with the deacon, the Order of Ichtys suppresses who? Or is that still WIP?
Made chart before going to sleep.
>>82159569I tried to answer it here >>82159343tl;dr : the Lapsarians fought a foreign people for king fisher's favors. Their diaspora is spreading uncontrolled fish worship everywhere, especially among the regime's opponents.
>>82159569it surpresses all manner of heresies that pose a threat to the Deacon, whether they tend monolith or fish, and it does also actually surpress hooks and such, in an opaque labyrinth of mutual secrecy.
>>82159330>>82159343Could someone just read the few sentences on the square of the king fisher before doing stuff about his 'favored'
>>82159604Cool. The Battalions could use some nicknames to make them unique. Maybe the cities they come from and such.
>>82159809I wrote this from the Barbarosian's perspective. The fight with Lapsaria was just a regular war for water supremacy,but to them it was the proof that King Fisher had abandonned them.
>>82159000Do you have to relate them to a real culture???
>>82157791Thought of an idea to keep both Narwhals>The Arctic Tongue worm >relative of the predatory arctic worm>Parasite that infests it's hosts by devouring their tongue and latching themselves on in it's place>use a toxin to prevent the host from moving it's jaw so it can't bite the worm's tendrils>when they hatch they are roughly the size of human hand, but they keep growing throughout their lifetime>largest specimen ever found was inhabiting a great white Narwhal, a larger species than the more common black arctic Narwhal>It's unlikely they can grow much larger as the great white is the largest species that can be found in arctic waters>theoretically could inhabit a human, but no cases have been documented
>>82160094I like it, but it would probably need another way to not be biten off rather than just stop chewing, unless it's a parasite that doesn't care if it's host starving to death.
>>82160094>>82158554>Predatory Arctic Worm>evolved to hunt on ice and sea>blind, it detects prey in the sea through the use of specialized organs that run the length of it's body that pick up the electric impulses of it's prey's nervous system >on land it uses it's bristle like fins to detect the vibration from prey's footsteps>burrow themselves into the ice, and launch themselves upwards when prey are near>can usually be found in large groups, and the vibration from one attacking will usually cause nearby worms to spring from the ice and attack as well.>eat a lot to store energy in the harsh arctic environment, an adult worm can consume up to two adult human males.
>>82160172it would likely just allow the host to have enough of the prey to survive
>>82160172The worms wouldn't just replace the tongue, but also take over the functions of the now petrified jaw as well, using its tendrils to snare and rip apart prey which it then feeds to the narwhal.
>>82160309I'm glad my little joke character is getting mileage.
>>82160281This works for me.
>>82159604for the record, the pluralization, singular and demonym of Kossoki is KossokiThe language is like the people, it carries only what is necessary
>>82158554You forgot to make the background transparent.
>>82160684this is true, I'll probably get in and edit that when I can
>>82160757I ended up editing to go on the doc, but if you have the original file it might be better.
>>82160821yea I still have it, I'll just have to cut it out manually cause just making all white transparent is gonna poke a bunch of holes in the worm
>>82160309>>82161343This is the type of high art that the Tsarina hangd in the palace.
>>82161343>Every night before I go to bed I hear them screaming Perkele and using each other like drumsetsWhat a fucking nightmare.
Is the tree bark bulletproof?
>>82162260At this point? With the materials the New Suuri have? Yes.
>>82162374That's fucking scary.
>>82162260Probably a bit, might be able to tank a shot or two depeding on who good it lands.Surii trees are fucking bullshit, gotta thank everything that bark is heavy, otherwise we would have to deal with the local chieftain and the tribals in full bark.
>>82162377Yes. Now affix your bayonet soldier.
>>82162260Most treebark is normal tree bark. However, a certain type, prepared a certain way known only to the Suuri tribes, makes for very lightweight and penetration-resistent plates. We haven't named the tree yet, so feel free to.
>>82162386At that point I dunno if bayonets will do much. I'd pull out a grenade instead.
>>82162260if you hit a thick bit it might stop it, you definitely don't wanna be around when they get in fishbone shanking distance though
Gatling gun yes or no?
>>82162374The Suuri are basically just really cold zulus but the bullet resistant hide shield are replaced with stong tree
>>82162439cartridges don't exist yetit's early percussion hours out here
Honestly, the surii and the venitii are my favorites cultures so far.They feel like they are in that sweet spot for me between familiar and strange, having enough uniqueness without being too overwhelming.
>>82162458But volley guns are possible...
>>82162509Lapsarian organ guns tearing arctic tribals to shreds is the only music I need
>>82162439>>82162458I think there was a pre-cartridge weapon that existed in real life like this, a Puckle Gun, but they saw no use beyond the prototype stage. But still, food for thought.
>during raids, the suuri will not hesitate to pilfer coins from dead or dying Lapsarians even though they do not use the currency, preferring to barter >instead, they take their bounty to their tribes armorworkers or weavers and have the metal embedded in their wood armor, or sewn into their hide undershirts.>this doubles as armor and decoration; the metal strengthening the armor and the decorations show how successful their bearer has been during battle
>>82162586would have tried to drawn the shirt on a suuri but I'm shit at drawing
>>82162586This does feels like something they would do.
>>82162577It’s flintlock tooExtra kosher I could totally see this in the Lapsarian army, and I feel like they’d be pretty handy on the airships
>>82162548>Suuri tribal warband cresting the hill, forming their famous "Mammoth Tusk" infantry formation to flank and overwelm the enemy at the same time>Type 48 Rifles firing volley upon volley into the waves of tribals, all seems lost>suddenly from over the next hill - barely heard above the howling blizzard - comes the first set of shells from the volley guns, as rocket batteries open up to provide indirect fire support>"Praise the Deep for the Venitii"
>>82162623So what’s gonna be main rifle of the northern border force?I’m thinking like old flintlocks converted to percussion, so they don’t take the new production rifles away from the Durite front
>>82162586I like this as a concept, but we have people with bark Armor, People with Coin Armor, Ceremonial Hero clothing, etc etc etc.Unless we're able to clearly make these concepts in unison, it'll just feel like something where we throw in together everything that sounded cool, but the whole will be discordant
>>82162685They use the coins as the eyes of the animals in their bark armor.
>>82162685Well there was the idea that suuri was just the name Lapsarians use for all northern tribes, kinda like how Europeans just called everyone in the Arctic eskimosSo could be a few different tribes.
>>82162707>So could be a few different tribes.That's how I was seeing it as well, but it's important to make this distinction clear when we're putting it down in writing.
>>82162623>>82162661If they had the money and motivation to suppress the Suuri, they could try and make a go of it - but as of right now the Lapsarians hold the zones they want and stick to fortified positions where Suuri charges aren't useful. The Suuri aren't trying to eradicate the Lapsarians, they enjoy their loot too much, and trolling them is too fun. The Lapsarians aren't trying to wipe out the Suuri, just hold the goldfields and hot springs (where the asylums are, to help patients heal). To well and truly break the Suuri would require the proliferation of the railroad and the extinction of the Narwhals the Suuri depend on. And that's just too damn much money.It's not a extermination/death battle, and neither side wants to escalate it to one. Yet.
>>82162685I feel like it works pretty well with the general idea of the suuri being a bunch of different tribes each with a different tradition or style of armor making, especially since both the general designs of the wood armor and the coin armor are both taken from real Tlingit armor.
>>82162738Not too mention there's nothing of true value in the tundra, at least for Lapsaria right now.And the Surii are hardly united, so it's not like they could push south in mass ou of nowhere.Potential plot hooks is the lifeblood of settings
>>82162725But the Lapsarians definitely don't make a distinction. It's kind of like how Rome saw the Gauls, unified under a "king" that was just the leader of a confederation against Rome in actual fact.
>>82162794>ancient strange ruins are discovered by a prospector in the frozen wastes>the university wants to investigate them but they’re deep in Suuri territory>local hired guns and explorers set off on an expedition for the university to see that the secrets of the ruins stay within Lapsaria
>>82162923I was thinking more about this>>82155514>>82155694>>82155715Or a Surii Pc party unitying the tribes and deciding to have a party at the capital.But the more the merrier.
Changing the topic a little bit:>How does the salt trade in Lapsaria work?>are the Masovii pushing it in an "official" category?>Besides the prized Black Salt, what kinds of salt are there?
>>82163021There must be some sort of calming salt, so they can be used as drugs.Maybe a salt that helps cauterize wounds, the sand salt? Hurts like a bitch though.And there's also slat salt. It makes things salty. That's all.
>>82163021>>82163053Black salt is industrial fuel. Kind of a coal equivalency. Longtime exposure could both rot the lungs and cause hallucinations of some kind. Could be used as a drug but would be the equivalency of huffing straight diesel. Red Salt could be the drug version. Pure red would be old school shaman-quality stuff, while the version peddled in cities would be cut to hell and back and would be off color to a degree. Shades of color could represent quality. Worst version would be cut with black salt and would pretty much just be krokodil.White Salt is just straight up table salt. Would still be a huge trade item. Sand Salt will near instantly stop open wounds from bleeding and will prevent infection from setting in but is a horribly painful experience and the skin there (though still flesh) will always have a sand-like texture. Trying to fix internal injuries or head wounds with sand salt has horrifying and usually lethal results.
>>82163235>>82163235Pink salt is an ultra relaxing drug that dims pain, very much like an opioid in effect. Special treatment of this drug causes memory loss, which in old Siglaff was only used as the most dire of punishments.Now in the modern age, pink is frequently trafficked out into Lapsaria where it is sold for 'medical treatment.' Chromatic salts are very rare, and will induce longevity in the consumer. However overconsumption can be fatal. In old legends, when Masovii was a kingdom the first King Lecht sought the 'rainbow salt' to achieve immortality, and for his arrogance his body turned into Chromatic salt after swallowing heaps of it. Afterwords, his statue was devoured by the court, who swore to never indulge in such things. While the legend of Lecht is considered fiction, many noble lines of the Masovii trace their legacy back to 'court members' of Lecht who allegedly partook of his salts. The Siglaff also have a version of the tale, and many tribesmen still proudly proclaim the old Masovii sent back the remaining rainbow salt left over from Lecht.'Mustard' Salt is a very dangerous type that can knock a man out and kill him in only a few minutes. While it is too strong in smell to be used as a poison, the Siglaffi and later the Masovii made use of the salt as a means to end the suffering of terminally ill and mortally wounded people.
>>82163053>>82163235>>82163372Loving the salt details. Will round out the resource very nicely. Have a meme for your troubles.
>>82163404>that lord colonel of the airforcekek
>>82155056>A beautiful young sculptor emerges in one of the cities, crafting a masterpiece>Her heritage becomes the source of much debate, as it is unclear whether she is of Durite or Lapsarian origin>The debate carries with it the weight of propaganda as the Durites wish to claim her and her work as a symbol of the rebirth of the Stonesong and of Durite nationalism>The Lapsarians wish to claim her as a way to humiliate the Durites -- "we can outdo you at your own ancestral arts"Who is she? What did she sculpt? Does she have the gift of Stonesong?
>>82163235>>82163372>>82163021Blue Salt comes from salt rocks that are washed up from the ocean. When sprinkled among sea weed fields they grow fallow and are unable to reproduce. Was summarily outlawed when one seaweed plantation owner used it to destroy one to many rivals.
>>82163235I like all of these.>>82163372Chromatic feels like it's stepping on oil's toes, but I like the myth.Pink seems to be more a refined form of red rather than it's own thing, maybe by carefully mixing other salts together?Mustard I enjoy because it means that in there is going to be war-crimes in the future.Anyway this has been salt review.
>>82163476Chromatic is kind of the inverse of the oils. Where Oil has gotten ubiquitous, Chromatic salts are basically non-existant now. There's no whales to produce them, and the veins of Chromatic salt have long since run dry.
>>82163463A sculpture of the Tsarina of course, so beautiful and life like it rivaled the real thing. She has the stonesong but isn't a durite but lapsarian born but she keeps this all a secret for the sake of her sanity. She still gets dreams that keep her up at night, of stone and song and rune and of places and things she has never seen or been to and she fears what these visions might mean.
Ok, I am finally back from being out all day and will add all that stuff to the chart we've been waiting on.
>>82163463An Aemid.An Yak.She has the gift of a good hammer arm.
>>82163021>>82163235As for how the actual salt trade works, well it's mined like any other stone but the different types of salt mines are scattered throughout Lapsarian land. Of course the there's many potential but yet untapped salt veins in durite territory. The mining process is grueling as miners require cumbersome breathing helments to keep from breathing in and succumbing to the salt particles suffocating the air down there. Especially dangerous Mustard salt mines as you can imagine. Pink salt miners have to be reprimanded to keep their helmets on in order to keep them from getting so blissed out they can't work.As for the movement of the product. For far off mines horse drawn salt caravans are formed and have to hire local militia or adventurers to protect the caravans from salt addicts or bandits. For salt mines closer to to cities horseless carriages and armed city gaurd help protect the caravans. Once in the cities proper the salts that are legal products are sent to factories to be cut, graded for quality, and packaged before sending them out to the shops. Illegal salts on the other hand, such as red salt, have to be smuggled into the cities and are used in what amounts to basically crack dens, and as said earlier, cut to hell and back with other cheaper salts to keep cost down but still give customers the high they want.
>>82163667>>82163476I like this, but I feel like Pink salt should be a version of Red salt. Like the most commonly used or most accepted version of it. Cocaine vs Coca leaves type deal.Red is the uncut stuff, Pink is what everybody wants and what the wealthy get, the off-color stuff is what the poorer have to make do with, the almost brownish stuff being what the suicidality addicted make due with.In Lapsaria it could be a thing where the sale of Pink is legal and the use accepted (as long as it passes a shade test) but other forms of red are illegal. Red because of its use by stone shamans, and the off-colors for being unregulated and dangerous.
>>82163404Lapsaria has all the watches, but the Durites have the time.
>>82163235>>82163372>>82163469As one of the people who's probably wrote the most for the Masovii, I feel like having eight different kinds of magic salt is sorta fucking silly. There's enough going on there that this feels like overkill.I'm more a fan of there just being regular salt, and black salt, which does enough on it's own. As far as the drug effects, it's the same thing as people huffing petrol or the like, except now in a snortable/topical powder form.>when Masovii was a kingdomMasovii was never a kingdom. It's a commonwealth of tribes. They were each their own but have joined together long quite a while ago into the commonwealth. >>82163667>the different types of salt mines are scattered throughout Lapsarian landThey're not in Lapsaria. It's a completely different country.>As for the movement of the product. For far off mines horse drawn salt caravans are formed and have to hire local militia or adventurers to protect the caravans from salt addicts or bandits. For salt mines closer to to cities horseless carriages and armed city gaurd help protect the caravans.Mines are established as being under the jurisdiction of the Shamans, who oversee the salt producing areas both religiously and politically. They're horse based people, so the salt is likely moved that way. It's less a business and more of an institution - the salt trade is directly controlled, carried out, and protected by the government.>Illegal salts on the other handThe movement of black salt into Lapsaria is done through Sligaffi smugglers. The legality is a grey area politically - and is kept there because of Masovii influences in the Tsarina's court. The need to smuggle it in is not because of an outright ban, but largely due to opposition from the Oil-based Tycoons and riverbarons, who have been actively trying to wield their own influences (and small private armies) to disrupt industrialist businesses that use Black Salt instead of Oil - attacking shipments and the like.
>>82163882>Be Laprasian City Constable>Perform a raid on a salt den>Half the addicts scatter as the officers swarm in, the other half to blissed out to even notice or be able to moved if they did>my officers pin the dealer to the wall, A fuckin' sligafi by the looks of him>Whip out my red salt quality color swatch and compare it to the open bag on the table>It's a dark muddy red, almost as low quality as it gets>"Alright you scum where's the good shit" I demmand>rifle through his pockets and find a pouch of some of the purest red I've ever seen>"Alright take him to the station, we'll figure out who his supplier is later, bring in a wagon to haul all this shit out of here"
>>82164049I agree with nearly all points here.> I feel like having eight different kinds of magic salt is sorta fucking sillySo do I. There is a current gap regarding recereational salt usage, and I think having another fuel/drug like oil would be repetitive so black salt shouldn't be it, but we certainly don't need a whoel rainbow of different salts.> It's a commonwealth of tribesThis.> They're not in Lapsaria. It's a completely different country.I assume this was a mistype from anon, but in case it wasn't, yeah, salt is Mined in Masovii/Sligaff> he legality is a grey area politically - and is kept there because of Masovii influences in the Tsarina's court. The need to smuggle it in is not because of an outright ban, but largely due to opposition from the Oil-based Tycoons and riverbaronThis. Having the conflict be more economical than actively legal is much more interesting, and helps provide more interesting dynamics within Lapsaria.
>>82164049>>82164089I feel like limiting the salt types to Black, White, and Red might be the best way to do it. That way you still get the industry salt, salt salt, and drug salt without getting too crazy.
>>82164049>>82164089Alright fair enough, didn't actually know where salt was coming from, I assumed it was mined anywhere salt veins could be found.With that said, how about we just stick with Black, White, and Pink Pink salt is a real thing in the real world and comes in a variation of shades. We could have the pink stuff be the common use pain reliever but the hard shades of red being basically opium.
>>82164113>I feel like limiting the salt types to Black, White, and Red might be the best way to do it. That way you still get the industry salt, salt salt, and drug salt without getting too crazy.Was about to type this. Hell, if we need more salt types maybe combining these salts result inn differnt things. Like Mixing Red and White Salt results in a less actively agressive drug that's used for medicinal purposes and as an anesthetic (Like Opioids), but it's not a resource found in the wild outright.
>>82164144Oh, I was going >>82164147 for the idea of there being red salt, and pink salt being just White+Red. It could be found naturally in places where thres both red and white salt, but mostly it's created artificially.Or hell, maybe we do it the oteher way around: Pink salt is found in nature, but through distillation and crystalization you can extract the pure red salt from it (+ regular White salt)
>>82164144>I assumed it was mined anywhere salt veins could be found.There are, in theory, large salt plains in/near Masovii and Sligaffi, where salt is mined and processed by Shamans.The salt plains are alse relatively spooky, with Mirror Walkers and sacrificesSepaking of sacrifies, maybe they dye the salt red with blood, and that is part of the process of creating Red/Pink Salt?
>>82164161I'm the guy who wrote the first bit on Red salt, and I like the idea of Red being a purified Pink Salt. Kinda makes more sense than the other way around. Shamans consume the super refined pure red dust, while pink is the more common and less potent version.
>>82163404>>82161343I finally got the meta joke of fish based memes
>>82164113>>82164144>>82164147>>82164200Aight, added to the Docs the info on Salt. Also some slight clarifications that regular salt can be technically obtained from the sea, though Masovii salt is considered a culinary delicacy, and that some people huff black salt but we don't talk about them
191/121, nearly done. We have two spots left in stone/faith.
>>82164341> The infused pachydermWhat the fuck?
>>82164341Good job on positioning everything! I had no idea where to place most of them, but I like where you put them!
>>82164341Am I missing it or did you not put the Sunset Island Navy guy in?
>>82164434This guy >>82152774? Also not seeing him, though I guess there are no spots appropriate for him
>>82164453He's in the google doc.
>>82164341>the dcma technicianwhat's the dcma?
>>82164483R&D/maintenance for the Lapsarian Airforce
>>82164341Put the Unknown Artist >>82163463 in the spot above the Shamanesse!!
>>82164518Do we have art for that? I think CCA can probably save that spot if someone is working on it
>>82164434>>82164453>>82164341A question and depending on that maybe a fix?The Suuri people are totemic worshipers from as far as I saw? (as well as the stone-in-marrow cannibals that I remember being brought up last thread)So you could take the Brave and the Blade Chosen, and move them over to the two open spots (they do seem to be reasonably FAITH aligned either way) and put the Sunset Islander in one of the spots they occupy now
>>82164518Is someone working on it?
>>82164654I thought being Blade Chosen put you as fish aligned since the blade comes from the head of a Narwhale.
>>82164654I think this could work. If those positions are too faith aligned, maybe push the sister in black down one?
Salt discourse follows the immortal principle of more is more I see
Can we get a better wendigo picture than the ones currently in the google doc?
>>82164701you may draw it. I give you my blessing.
>>82164712I would, but my tablet is dead.
>>82164662Going off the Doc - Narwhales are outside the control of the Fish Gods? And either way, it's the Stone-est part of them that's been made into the sword. Idk, everything about the Suuri aside from the Narwhale thing points them into being more stone, but I do see what you're saying
>>82164684I mean, we did have one niche of salt to fit,and we cut back on the 7 separate types of salt to keep it simpleThe real question is why am I replying to bait?
>>82164662>>82164654>>82164723Ok, I'll shift the Suuri over, I'll just change some text for the Blade Chosen.
>>82164341yo, how come you didn't use any of the lines for the Suuri Ancestral Hero (now chosen blade)? Kind of sucky that I come up with a concept, illustrate it and then without discussion it's discarded and my pic used for something else.
>>82164723>Narwhales are outside the control of the Fish GodsWHAT? Why? this is the worst idea yet lmao. Literally the basis of the setting was that the Whale Boon by the fisher king, people took great pains to not have the Narwhal to be too different form the normal whales (even though it should have a beard) and we even integrated the Narwhals having oil into the lore for the wendigos. Them not being in the king's power is so an incredibly weird choice lol>>82164743the stuff I wrote when I drew it and to whcih I replied when I posted it>>82153991The Suuri Ancestral Hero>The greatest in the tribe>Got the title from his master, together with his sword>Will be extinguished only once the sword is lost
>Narwhals are outside the control of the fish gods
>>82164723>Narwhales are outside the control of the Fish GodsI also don't fully get this. Maybe there was some explanation when it was posted,but it just sounds weird. Not blaming you, I know it's what's in the Docs, just saying I think we should think this aspect over
>>82164769they're "rebelling against the gods". So looks like the cattle which the king literally uses to just send out for no other purpose than to be killed, have a sophisticated choice in the matter and do so with due deliberation lmao
The only thing outside the control of the fish gods is technically the coral, but only because it is a fake stone. And is "out of its control" in the same way a rock is out of you or I'd direct control.
>>82164784>>82164783Good thing that part was just part of the discussion someone copy-Pasted to the docs and can still be changed. Hey, Maybe you can even help sorting out and formalizing all the info that's been dumped there!
>>82162260I belive it isn't bulletproof, howevere it can stop bullet enough, so shot will be painfull, but not fatal allowing well fit man continue to advance with 2-3 such wounds if they didn't hurt crucial organs or weak spots on legs.>>82160462Sounds really odd
>>82164832It's stated in a non-conversational, unambiguous way. If you want me to formalize the info in a way that makes sense, I'd have to delete a bunch
How about instead of "lol rebellious whales", the narwhal are rebellious against one or more specific Fish Gods and rebellious in specific ways.Maybe they were attack dogs once, and the Fish Gods have kind of lost track of them. But if the Fish Gods gather up enough will, the narwhals obey.
>>82164863The general vibe seems to be Narwhals being outside the fish gods sway is disliked. The only thing I think removing it might mess up is this >>82164737 shift going on.
>>82164897Does it? Even if the Narwhals are still fish aligned, if the Blade Chosen / Ancestral Hero (>>82164761 feel free to chime in on this) are Stone-ish people like the rest of the Suuri seem to be, it could just be like a trophy thing - i.e. We have achieved victory over the Sea, now we use their own weapons for ourselves - that kinda thing.
Ok, I am not switching the Suuri over. >>82164761I didn't see this text. Do you want me to switch it over from The Blade Chosen?
Ok I made some adjustments to the regions. I gave the Yechod a homeland. I know the Yechod are currently a cosmopolitan people, but this is more a original homeland (they were absorbed by the Lapsari earlier than the others).
>>82164926I also adjusted the rivers for the Venitii.
>>82164915Well I think theat a.) the Suuri aren't a cultural monolith and b.) You can have fish and stone elements in a culture. They could have an affinity and thankfulness for the whales that sustain them but a religious relationship to stone.
>>82164919I'd like that, yea
>>82164926you are little babby
>>82164945I'm too lazy to do a very detailed ethnic map, just doing a general one.
>>82164951isn't that wild though, how the Russians spread like a tumor across railway lines and rivers
>>82164941Changed two of the lines and the name.
>>82164945Map is quite homogeneous, desu. All these blots are just russian(and few germans) colonies inside native territories.
Ok, so we only have [8,10] and [9,9] left. I'm returning to the map for now.
>>82164964I don't know what map you are looking at, but there's mayham of three different ethnicities going on around the Ural, theer are straight up empty spaces u p north, "blots" of Russians the size of France, someone has scrambled Georgia, there are large striped area in the north, east and south, up in Eastern Siberia dark yellow and light blue are straight up cutting light yellow into pieces, it's fucking wild.
>lore document is 50 pages nowOh no, it's gonna take me forever to read it.
Here, I fix all problemsWe take Suuri Brave, and put him in [9,9].Ancestral Hero stays in the same place, with >>82164761 's wording.Sunset Seaman goes in Suuri Brave place. This way we>Fix the Ancestral Hero>Represent the cultural diversity of the Suuri mentioned here >>82164938 by having them on both sides, while they're still a FAITH based group>You >>82164434 get to have your dude put in the chart>We don't have to try and justify the Narwhals as being sorta not Fish, because that's silly.
I sit by the warm fire reading my manuscripts trying to ignore the hustle and bustle of the capital's busy streets that only seem to grow louder with machines and people as the years go by. I hear a creak at my door to find one of my prized pupils, my chief solider in the war of archeologist and phrenologist in the universities anthropology department. He comes to me today with a question. "Sir, is it true you've actually gone and seen the Monolith in person?" I knew I'd have to tell this story again eventually. Can't rightfully claim to be a premier expert on the Vastian Wasteland and it's scattered tribes, cults, and rock eaters without having at least seen the monolith in person."Yes, but it was many years ago now, before the durite occupation. Back when our people, well, tolerate would be a bit of a strong word their but back when I was able to put enough coin together to convince a durite pilgrim to escort me into the vastian waste and join him in his journey to the monolith."My pupil already fascinated by the tale pulled up one of my chairs closely and listened with intent. I pulled out my narwhal ivory pipe and begin to light it, letting the smoke take me back to that time. "It was a long journey, and probably more tedious and boring then you're expecting. endless tracts of dry rock and sand broken up only by the occasional boulder pile. It was like that for weeks. Despite this I never truly felt alone, and I don't mean my durite companion either. Especially at night as I watched the stars from my tent around the fire I felt a presence beneath me. Something moving the earth under me while somehow being both motionless and silent. It's hard to explain without having experienced. My Durite guide informs it's just the children of stone making their way. Simply called the delvers as his people did. Surely some kind of mythical religious spirit of some kind and just some tremor I reasoned. Regardless we moved forward."to be continued
>>82165077"Things truly became fascinating as we grew closer to the center. Large outcroppings of quartz crystals of varying hues and colors came into view. Some as small as pebbles and others the size of a house.""Speaking of which some of the large boulders had been carved out by the pilgrims to use as shelters from the occasional dust storm or just to wait out the nights. They claimed that these structures had always been their but clearly someone...or something carved the stone, their were enough scrap marks to prove it.""Regardless it was at one of these pilgrimage sites that my guide met up with some of the others and spent the night in one listening to their melancholic droning string instruments. They said they sang to the stones and the stone sang back. And indeed within that chamber the stones did make music, but it was simply echoing from the music the durites played.""The next morning we were awakened rudely by some mad stone eaters, claimed this was their eating spot. Or at least that was all I could make out in their mad ravings before the Durites scared them off with sword and shouts of their own. The Durites told me the stone eaters were nothing more then pest who disrespected the stone by devouring them, but they try to avoid killing them since they are a child of stone with so much stone inside them and would bring bad luck to kill one."