The 'story' of the setting is emergent. So far what is apparent is:
> Lapsarians have a deal with the Ocean Gods for oil, and perhaps for more.
> Part of the bargain involves suppressing other groups, such as the cult of the Monolith, for which the Slab Breakers created the Slab Knights
> Lapsarians Colonize Durites, and a civil war begins between Durite Rebels (and Other separatists) and Lapsarians. This ends up driving more and more Durites into extremism, and into worshiping and making their own bargains with the Fisher King
> Back at Lapsaria, a group of Lapsarian rebels leaded by the Last Captain lose a decisive battle at sea, and were turned into monsters themselves.
> The internal political situation of Lapsaria is also fragile, as the Oil Tycoon makes his plays for power, against the interest of the Hooks (and the State Powers who secretly are in cahoots with The Hooks)
>The combination of old Stone magic & new Oil Alchemy has caused a rapid industrialization.
>The Monolith is far away in the interior of the continent, away from Lapsarians
>The continent is known as The Vast, the world exists as a Pangea with it being the only landmass. Long-term sea voyages outside of the sight of land never became common until recently.

Old Thread: >>82061803

Adding now, as I said things are slow due to lag.

>>82076592

Re-posting for the new thread:
Not trying to rock the boat here, but still not vibing to hard on the Leviathan name. It isn't bad by any means, but I feel like the world has expanded beyond it.
What about something relating to the worlds resources?

>"A Song of Dust and Oil"
>"The Tale of Oil and Dust"
or just simply,
>"Of Dust and Oil" (ODAO)

just some thoughts. How's everyone feeling about the setting name?

>>82076742
I think

"A Tale of Fish and Stone" is valid
But "Of Dust and Oil" is neat

why the rocks are bleeding?

>>82076775
>why the rocks are bleeding?
They just do that, it's normal in this setting.

>>82076742
I like Leviathan, because it can have the mythological meaning and reference King Fisher, a meaning of being large, referecing the Monolith, the continent being a pangea, the entire sea, but it can also have the phylosophical meaning since the conflict started when tge Tsarina started to reform and centralize.

>>82076785

Don't ask questions
The rocks are not alive
The fish cannot talk

>>82076775
yeah "Of Dust and Oil" might be my favorite so far. Or maybe even "The Vast: Kingdoms of Sacred Oil & Broken Stone"
>why are the rocks bleeding
that is exactly what you should be wondering...
people are turning into sentient stone slabs and subsequently being crushed for their dust to be used in the industrial process for gunpowder, armor, walls, etc.

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Random idea:
>Airship Pirate Cults
>scourge of land and sea
>perpetually high off of dread aether that compounds their suffering
>sacrifice captives to the Whispered Ziz, the Duke of Wind

For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziz
Also, their airships aren't that good. Pic related is the absolute best they can do.

>>82076814
Ariships should be the expansion faction. The Stone is eldritch. The Sea is eldritch. Why wouldn't the air be?

Idea

Stone Fanatics that seek to become stone by implanting Marbles, Granite in their bodies to be more like the Monolith

It works somehow

>>82076830
Air (or, as I'd prefer it, Aether) should be Pain Neutral. A minor faction, too chaotic evil to do anything constructive.

>>82076814
>>82076835
I love it anon!
I'd be down to make some art for it unless you already are working on something
I think they would fit on [1,5] nicely

>>82076947
No, I'm no artfag. Go ahead.

>>82076947
>Gods I 'ate groundies.

Also air pirates on a Pangea make some sense, raid continental interior.

>>82076989
ate me groundies
ate me fishes
at me stones
love me clouds
simples as

-Turning Point, Cloud Buccaneers

>>82076950
>>82076989
>>82077018
fuck yeah, I know the exact direction to take this
will get started in a couple hours when I'm back home from work

>>82076577
CrowdsourceAnon, consider [1,5] claimed, if it isn't already

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>>82076587
I'll throw on some additional global information, other countries and peoples (potentially) include...
>Masovii, the Commonwealth of Opal and Oak Stone. Probably multiethnic and deeply inland [Stone / Faith]
>The Sunset Islands. Deep to the south, source of the good (coral) shit and swarthy folk. [Fish / Faith & Pain]
>The Kossoki People. Mixed residents of the Tsardom stuck between the Durits and Lapsarians, also nomads. [Everywhere]
>The Hasyym People. Oil-Addict Mountain folks who underwent complete demographic, the Industrialists probably benefited. [Pain]
>The Aemii People. Stone-Yak herders hanging out on the Northern fringes of the state. Just wanna make cheese. [Stone / Faith]
>The Yechod People. Agnostic glassworkers who are reviled for not being on for this Stone and Fish stuff. [Pain]
>Gem-Empire of Goguryeo. Distant land that is probably on the other side of the Vast. Weird and coral-pilled. [Stone / Pain]
>The Venit People. Psychotic royalists and river folk, almost too rabid to be kept around by the Lapsarians. Almost. [Stone / Pain]

>>82077072
Aye aye.

One last concept to try to round out Lapsarian society:
>Synanceian Royal University Professor
>slowly growing out of old monastic roots, but not entirely secular
>key to maintaining rapid pace of technological advancement
>obsessed with the idea of extinction and civilizational collapse, pays smuggler and salvage diver under the table for artifacts and fossils
>"Will their ruin be our ruin?"
>Prays that some of the misshapen fossils she is brought are elaborate forgeries

It's maybe a little TOO stereotypically Cthulhu Mythos, so let's go with something Mary Anning inspired. Very early paleontologist, did a lot of discoveries in marine fossils.

It's okay if this doesn't make it in. I just wanted to do something scholarly.

>>82077072
goodspeed anon, if you need help I'll be there

What about some Durite that sided with the Lapsarians?mwmy

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>>82077155
Fuck, wrong picture. This is Mary Anning.

>>82077155
If you're not drawing this, do you mind if I give it a try? I'm just having a hard time figuring out where he'd go in the chart, maybe push the Slab Breakers one right and have the Professor in [6,2]?

>>82077184
Sure, but again I wouldn't be surprised if this got pushed out of the chart for something else. We can still talk about other takes on the scholar archetype.

>>82077155
That's just the era. The world is getting smaller, and some high-falluting individuals are going to desecrate a bunch of foreign cultures and find some really destructive shit.
In our timeline, the latter was just chemical warfare and radioactive materials.

>>82077189
The more we have, the more we can use for the world. And if all else fails we could just kill poor CCA's computer by upgrading to 5x5.

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Added The Statue Ascendant, The Mercenary, The Durite Insurgent, and The Lapsarian Asylum Inmate.

>>82077118
We need a place for the mercenary to come from.
The Tarca Union, a land to the south that recently got out of a war. Official religion is Stone, but there are some Fish workshipper that are hunted by the inquisition. [Faith]

>>82077228
>the statue ascendant
Nice.

Maybe the Durite Chieftain would work between The Stone Admiral & The Durite Peasant.

>>82077228
>Statue Ascendant
Typo in the text, should be "altAr"

>>82077228
Well then, could you push The Slab Breakers right one? I'll use their current space for >>82077155 's suggestion.
Also, I think the Durite Insurgents shold be in the place of the masovii dignitary since, you know, they have literal crystals jutting out of them, so I think they would be more Stone
Also x2, maybe push the Singer in stone down to [7,8]?

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>>82077118
Wait a minute...
>Sunset Isles
>South

Does this imply the Sun in this setting rises in the North and sets in the South?

>>82077250
I added the Mercenary's homeland. Yothestein, my idea:
>The Yothestein Republic
>"Subservient" to Masovii, but allowed to advance under strict supervision. Used by the Masovii as manpower in their wars.
>[Stone]

>>82077285
Italian instead of iberian works for me.

>>82077250
>>82077285
If I may make a suggestion
>The Gilded state of Jasentorf, House of a Hundred Princes
>Just a regular fucking gongshow, of which the Princedom of Yothenstein is famous for its irregulars.
A large state but one that isn't taking well to the changes brought by industrialism. Might explain why the mercenary is wearing old style plate.

>>82077267
Sun goes north to south with east and west as the extreme cold polesggv22

>>82077316
>>82077267
On second thought, this wouldn't make sense because on the second trip the Sun would have to go South to North.
Unless we want to go into Hollow Earth shenanigans, which we shouldn't.

I guess the Sunset Isles are just far to the Southeast then.

>>82077349
I'm fine with that. The sea is so vast anyways that once you get out far enough, direction doesn't really matter because there's just that much unending water.
And you start sounding like the harpooner.
>OOOOOOOOOH I'M HARPOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEENG

>>82077312
Imagine you are some conscript armed with tge latest rifles to put down a bunch of tribals, only to get kebabed by some guys who still fight as pike and shot.

To Do:
>>82077072
Reserve [1,5]
>>82077261
Move slab breakers to the right. Switch the Dignitary and the Insurgent.

Not moving the singer yet.

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>>82077368
ITSWALLOWEDTHESUNITSWALLOWEDTHESUNITSWALLOWEDTHESUNITSWALLOWEDTHESUN

>>82077372
>Be Lapsarian soldier
>sent to kill Durites
>why is he naked
>shoot at Durite
>bullet pings off him
>starts pulling off his skin
>creaking statue starts sprinting at you
I fucking hate this war.

I am considering doing a ship at [1,2]. The Last Captain's ship, The Lady In Grey, a giant ironclad.

>>82077406
>Be Lapsarian soldier
>on watch
>shooting the shit with fellow guard, telling me about the girl he'll marry back home
>him: "So you got a girl?"
>me: "hahahaha y-yeah..."
>something in the bushes, we both go on alert
>it was nothing
>him: "So anyway..."
>THUNK
>arrow struck him right in the heart
>He's Stone now
>Just Stone...

>>82076742
Why do you want to be GRRM
That’s not a thing you want to emulate

>>82077372
Combat in LEVIATHAN is already kind of a nightmare with people turning into rocks, getting so high on oil and coral you need to tell them you've killed them before they die and scaly terrors that have human eyes crawling out of every water-source. Which ironically could make it a really good wargame as the division between sharp and hard damage produces a very interesting but simple dichotomy of damage types. Gotta say I really like the setting.

>>82077312
>>82077285
>>82077250
So do we combine these? Some kind of HRE monstrosity that is doing what Russia did IRL and stagnating with a crippling case of alcoholism, serfs, and internal disunity?
Is Yothestein an electorate in this state? A Free-County?

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So since the best way to travel to and from the Vast is by river, what are some of the major rivers in Lapsaria?
I know this seems pedantic, but this is probably the first step we want to take before making a map of the place. Plus rivers themselves can have quite the personality.

Here's an idea: One river for each of the three minor Fish "gods". Their home base is in the bay of each river, or at least near it.

The Capri River is a fourth river and should be closed off to most traffic. Maybe the river has always flooded often, and while it used to be verdent farmland that was well irrigated through dams, it's now overrun with swamps and things best not named lurk in the flooded ruins of hamlets along its bank. You can smuggle shit from the Vast down it if you REALLY want to, but you'll have to make it through Capri Bay and good luck with that.

Working on the three lesser gods.

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>>82077506
> The Venit River, the Red River. What should be the central most river and replacer of the Capri circuit after that fiasco
> It is if you can afford to bribe the Venits
> If you can't most would rather slit their wrists than get on a boat on the Venit, who are known to sacrifice to Auntie Angler, their cruel matron

> Gentle Timajor, the Winding river which is now choked to all fuck with every bit of traffic
> Just filled with regular river bandits, some of whom tend to resemble soldiers
> Favored by the Eel Sire, who is said to sleep cross its full length

> Distant Nemijski, the Distant River that reaches the furthest into the interior of the Vast
> Solemn and pale, while it is an easy river to sail, the war has been absolutely ruthless for traffic
> Father Oyster is said to sing Pearls of Stone at the mouth of the river, which are symbols of privilege and decadence.

Just my thoughts for the three lesser Fisher Gods, to correspond with their positions. Auntie is more giving to Pain, the Sire is vast and solemn and Father Oyster is actually known to work with Stone, in his own Fishy way.

>>82077646
Very nice.

>>82077646
I'm sorry, I just can't hear the name "Auntie Angler" and not kek. It kinda takes me out of it because it sounds somewhat silly

>>82077721
What would you suggest instead? I kinda agree, but can't think of anything.

>>82077730
>>82077721
The Mongress

>>82077721
I feel like combining it with the Veniti and the position on the Pain access makes it work when there's material. Yea it sounds silly. But of all the gods, this Gulper Eel abomination is probably the most cruel. Think a gulper eel. Now imagine a gulper eel that eats can swallow ships and enjoys human sacrifices. Now recognize they call that abomination 'Auntie.'

>>82077730
Depends. How intent are we on keeping the alliteration and/or the gender?
>>82077776
Maybe with the visual design this juxtaposition becomes more clear and impactfull, but just reading it, it seems unecesarilly childish

>>82077795
I think the idea that it is an "Angler" and the female aspect should be maintained. "Angler" as part of the name is not necessary, I suppose.

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>>82077795
>Maybe with the visual design this juxtaposition becomes more clear and impactful, but just reading it, it seems unnecessarily childish
Think this. This is their auntie.

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>>82077818

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>>82077795
>>82077730
>>82077776
>>82077795
I named it Auntie Angler originally because I find the idea of something eldritch taking on familial or parental roles intrinsically horrifying.


I also apologize, the art style for the lesser gods is not my forte, I tried my best.

>>82077906
Those look good CCA.

>>82077906
Think you could reduce the glow effect on the lines? Just to see how it looks, because right now it looks a bit weird in a couple of spots

>>82077952
It is probably easier to fix the spots that look weird. What are the weird bits?

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>>82077906
What if this is all just a long con by the Angler?
Idea:
>the Angler lured the person the Stone Admiral once was to the Sea, starting the Age of Sailing
>the Bargain was of her design, but she always plots from afar
>she waits, patient as the stars, until it is her turn to ascend using the blood of all those lured into her trap
Just a bit of conflict to add to the left-bottom corner. Father Oyster bears the True Gift, Angler is the False Gift. But she's winning.

>>82077646
Pearls are formed as a response to an irritant, covering it with layers of nacre until smooth. Maybe Father Oyster should be associated with distractions from Pain more than purifying of it, burying it down beneath beauty but never actually fixing it. Thus the "symbols of privilege and decadence", he offers a way to distance yourself from the world that doesn't really help anything.

>>82077967
A handful of texts look a bit weird, but nothing that damages readability (Like The Dredging Pit Owner and The Dust of progress). My biggest issue is how it looks weird for some of the non-standard entries, like all lower-left god or The Brackish Ones. It feels like the different background colour doesnt stretch all the way to the borders and cheapens a bit of the effect, for example

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>>82078012
I mean, he is helping, but more for his own benifit. The process of pearling is actually kind of similar to the existing process of Quartz polyps, except as an external transformation instead of an internal one. If used on a person, it would take a while but the pain would fade. Although what's formed is arguably neither of fish nor stone.
Kinda like coral maybe.

>>82077970
Angler also is the only one with her own people. And the Venit are if we're still working on what's been said; Fucking terrifying.
They just use boats instead of horses.

>>82078013
I had used it to cover up some things and make alignment easier. It'll take a fair bit of adjusting to fix. I'll get started on a no glow version.

The Statue Ascendant might be more Pain & Stone aligned than it currently sits. Perhaps it and The Famous Archeologist could switch?

Also I am thinking [6,3] could be a Lapsarian Union Leader.

>>82078143
Could Slab Breakers also move right one? There's talk of putting >>82077155 or some equivalent in the spot the Stone Breakers currently occupies.

We should upgrade to 10x10.

>>82078214
Let's try to fill this one out completely. Or at least 90%.

>>82078214
Yea patience. We gotta fill out the plate first.

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>>82078169
I have done a round of rearranging.

Ok friends, I'll be taking a break. It seems like we don't have many folks today considering the super low poster count.

If people post claims I'll try and get them marked and keep the thread ready by adding a few before tomorrow. I'll still be around, simply slower and a bit preoccupied.

After the 8x8 is done I will start drawing a map. I draw maps a fair bit and can try and do an Atlus style map.

>>82078306
You do God's work. I'd put out more ideas, but I don't want to do more than the three I've already suggested.

>>82078321
That's fine man, I'm digging everything here. We can let tommorow get on.

In an Pangea continent the interior of the continent would be a vast desert and essentially be impassable. At best you'd have nomads on the deserts edge and real cultures lining the coasts, and a vast uninhabited central area.

Depending on how the Pangea formed tectonically they also might be a massive super mountain range at its center where multiple continental plates are pressed together.

This could be the real location of the monolith.

>>82078392
>In an Pangea continent the interior of the continent would be a vast desert and essentially be impassable.
Not necessarily. You could have vast glaciers in the far north feed rivers that create fertile river valleys in the extreme interior.

>>82078392
How big is the Monolith? Maybe there's no mountain range, maybe there's just it. All the pressure that should have gone into making a mountain, whether volcanic or fold or whatever, instead just pushed this enormous pillar of Stone out of the earth.

>>82078237
Asylum Inmate should have yellow eyes if he's been exposed to oil

This setting is panning out to be pretty exceptional ngl

>>82078485
True, I'll add that to my To Do.

>>82076577
TO DO ANCHOR, PLEASE REPLY TO THIS POST WITH TO DOs ONCE I AM BACK AND ABLE TO WORK.

>>82078518
Hey senpai

The Bishop changed to Deacon at some point last thread (I think when we were expanding from 6x6 to 8x8).
Personally I prefer Bishop but if we are sticking with Deacon then you'll need to edit the Tsarina's text.

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>>82078518
[6,2] Synanceian Royal University Professor
> Obsessed with the idea of extinction
> Pays smugglers and salvage divers under the table for specimens and fossils
> Prays that some of the misshapen fossils brought in are elaborate forgeries
> Wounded by a "rare" specimen; thankful it disapeared
> Caught between the thirst for science and the knowledge there are things better left unknown.

>>82077155
I am so sorry, I only saw you had sent another image when I'd already finished the drawing, and by then I was too invested in this concept. If you don't like it we can scratch it and go for something else.

>>82077906
I like Auntie Angler. Mother Moray had a nice ring to it too but Angler fits better with the bauble element

>>82078856
No, it's fine. You're the drawfriend.

>>82078856
Could I implore you to draw the top of his hat?

>>82078769
I prefer Bishop as well because of the mythological "Sea Bishop".

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>>82078869
Sure!
>>82078868
And you're the guy giving the ideas! I wanted to draw but had no idea what to do, but you gave inspiration

>>82078124
If it's too much work, it's fine as it is. Just wanted to know if it was something that you cold easily switch to see how it looked

[3-6/7] Could prob fit smth like a mermaid/siren faction pretty easily

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>>82079003
>Angler's Handmaidens
>Were originally sent by the King to watch over the Hatchlings, decided to fuck off instead
>tempt the Smuggler with their weavings, ask only for secrets in exchange
>THEY WILL STRANGLE YOU WITH THEIR GIFTS
>when the Salvage Diver hears their songs, he knows he is already dead

>>82079052
I'd smash kek

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>>82079061
>"Honey, it's time for your 4pm drowning play. Remember, today's safe word is GRGAGBLEBLEBLEBLE"

>>82079052
>>82079061
>>82079085

Proposal: The men they tempt and draw in they fuse to their bodies, symbiotically grafting their flesh together in an eternal embrace. This actually happens with some species of real anglerfish, the males are much smaller than the females and melt their flesh together with digestive enzymes so that the healing process combines them together into a single organism. That way the female always has a ready supply of sperm cells instead of having to hunt down a mate. Female anglers with as many as eight males fused to them have been found.

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>>82079085
>>82079052
One last mermaid pic.

>>82079120
While I'm not dismissing the idea, I prefer the Angler and her minions to be more long term plotters. So it isn't the typical "enthrall with song and then fuck/kill", it's "make them financially dependent on their gifts/goods, then corrupt them mentally, spiritually, and physically".

So sure, body horror, but please let's have them be more than just a monster but a faction with a finger on the scales of the world.

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Added the Professor, he's a little cramped.

>>82079178
He is cramped, but maybe because you put "pays smugglers and salvage divers under the table..." twice.

>>82079141
Yeah, I feel like I don't have as strong an idea of what the Angler is supposed to be about as you do. But I think the ideas aren't incompatible. Just make the fusion be the end-state of a long process, for those most physically degenerated victims. They've become so dependent on the Angler and her minions that they can't even maintain homeostasis on their own, just like the male anglerfish. The "embrace" would be not a sudden "whoops, I talked to the fish lady, now I'm one of her organs", but almost like a perverse reward for long service and allegiance to the Angler. You have done well, and suffered much in order to please them, and now you may rest within their bosom, forever.

>>82079212
Exactly what I had in mind.

>>82079178
I just realized, "smugglers and salvage divers" in the Professor's description should be Capitalzied and changed to singular, since they're actual characters and not general roles in this case

>>82079178
Top right, The Almighty Rubblemaker. "Lord of Destruction. Bringer of change to the unchanging. Is he even human?"

>>82079298
based.

>>82079298
Isn't that just a Slab Knight?

>>82079311
Slab Knights are destruction incarnate. He controls destruction. He is the master of destruction in the face of such disgusting order.

>>82079298
I think someone's already working on the Slab Knight Captain for that slot, but it's something along the lines of what you've put forward

>>82079298
>>82079311
>>82079325
Right now someone is doing top right, the Knight Captain of the slab knights.

>>82079332
I don't see no claim on it.

>>82079345
He did not ask to reserve, but spoke about it before. If you beat him to it for art then it will go on. The guy who talked about it didn't want to put claims.

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>>82078493
>panning
Salt pans

- an idea for [4,7] [5,7]
Salt as a whole I see as a bridge between Stone and Fish.
>Within the interior of the Vast, large arid salt pans stretch for miles.
>99% of the time it is an alter of stone, where Masovii clerics bring sacrifices to kill, dry, and eventually mummify as the salt steals their life's essence.
>on the rarest instances when the pans are given rain, the surface becomes a mirror as water covers the ground and seawater is made in a desert.
>The Ocean Gods' influence takes hold for hours, at most a day, until the pans evaporate dry again, but in that time the mummies walk, act, create, and destroy across the salt mirror.

[4,7] The Mirror Walker
>Preserved for years
>Used to be someone's Mummy
>Restless leg syndrome when it rains
>Sea's Salt

[5,7] The Salt Shaman
>Big man on the Salt Pan
>Sacrifices must be made by the Masovii
>Whoa that's a lot of sacrifices
>Sees Salt

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Added the ghost ship of Capri Bay, Our Lady in Grey

>>82079638
>that reflection in the water
Nice.

>>82079638

Despite the renaming of the Bishop to the Deacon, he is still refered to as the Bishop in the Tsarina's square

>>82076742
Still don't know why we don't just use Empire of Stone and Oil

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>>82079691
Thank you for reminding me. I changed to Empire & changed to Deacon.

I see stone has become basically fish but on the right side of the compass while I was asleep. I guess a collaborative game will always tend to despise power imbalances as people pick a faction. That's a bummer. I guess Durite rebels are pretty dumb to turn to the Sea for boons if they coulda just used the superpowers their own culture gives them.

Anyways, on to the salb knight captain

>>82079764
I think only one thing on the right side implies super powers, and that's the statue. I think it maybe should be changed to a statue that wear's skin instead of a person who becomes a statue. I drew it originally because I thought it was neat

I apologize for spoiling the power imbalance with that. I will amend it tomorrow morning. It is getting late for me.

I will change it to something more like:
>Uncarved, unasked for.
>Wears the skin of the dead.
>The Monolith has been angered.
>Kills indiscriminately, for all have proven disappointing.

>>82079764
>touched by monolith
>become insurgent
>don’t get touched
>become rebel
Pretty simple.

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>>82079814
>>82079764
I will think on changing it. The Monolith killing indiscriminately when displeased may be good to keep the imbalance and have it make sense why Durites would be pushed away from the stone.

>>82079814
lmao, don't apologize this is literally a collaborative game. I can't expect it to just go how I like it. I was just giving my sipleased reaction, didn't call for other's work to be changed.

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>>82079814
Top Right, The Almighty Rubblemaker.
>Lord of Destruction.
>Bringer of change to the unchanging.
>Is he even human?

>>82079865
>Is he even human?
>Was he ever human?

>>82079886
Yes perfect I love it

>>82079865
Slab Anon here and I fully endorse this.
Maybe this guy is what Captain-Knight Patryk should be?
Basically using a square to imply that the Knights are slowly becoming something new due to their exposure to constant stone polyps and unmitigated pain.

>>82079727
I am considering tomorrow drawing something for [3,3]. Something called a 'Crawling Clam' Crew. Which is the Lapsarian version of a tank. It'd run on oil.

Is there a discord associated with this? I'd love to play this as like, a tabletop RPG or something.

>>82079912
>Is there a discord associated with this?
No, it is not developed enough yet for it. I said I could dig out my Homebrew system (which was originally designed for Fantasy Civil War) and do a design document.

Tomorrow we'll see what happens, but I want to keep things on /tg/ and not Discord. Discords tend to become really insular and closed off.

>>82079926
I'll stick around, I'll keep my title of Rubblemaker Anon.

>>82079926
>>82079912
>>82079941
I'd rather not have a discord for this because the few times I've had a /tg/ project move to discord it falls apart
see: 'Warrens Folley' (2017) in the archives

I’d much rather have a static place to store lore and writings, and possible rules.
1d4chan is an option.

>>82079973
Honestly? I just like to keep in touch with people. If I'm being real I do art for things because it gets me involved. My work/life balance is in shambles.

>>82079912
Discord sucks ass. And there's a big difference between what's being made here (a setting) and what you're saying (a system)

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>>82079727
Okay, I did the Slab Captain as I was asked to yesterday.

Slab Captain

>Mostly Rage, some thought.
>Only trusts the Deacon
>Loves crushing Slabs
>But also the Tsarina
>Hates the Deacon for his relationship to the Tsarina


I'm probably am not going to be posting much in near future since the setting's evolving away from my interests.

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>>82080142
love the art!
any way possible we can kind of merge the words with the stuff I had previously?
>Knight-Captain Patryk
>power beginning to rival the ruling class
>Is around stone polyps more than anyone
>what is he becoming?
>"...But madame Tsarina, we wear no helms..."
>"No Helms! No Helms!"
(shameless King in Yellow reference lol)

Also in a perfect world I'd like to maintain what >>82079865 came up with because it fits really well, but I'm open to whatever, moving shit around/combining shit etc.

>>82076814
>>82076830
>>82076835
>>82076947
>>82076950
>>82076989
>>82077018
>>82077072
>>82077149
>>82077166
>>82077389
Also currently working on finishing this up
Gonna add an airship behind him and a bunch of littler versions of him

>>82080188
CAM ON DUKE OF WINDS
EAT SUM FOOKIN FISHIES

>>82079727
>>82079638
>>82079898
>>82080142
I would be willing to cede the top right, and have the Rubblemaker instead be top center on the Stone Side. Indicating he'd become obsessed with his pain, which would be shown by the fact that some of the blood in his design is his own, pouring from his helmet.

>>82080188
You do you, I'm not so much into the "eldritch gods in every corner, chose the kind of wizard you wanna be" style of compass, which is why I gave the Slab Captain mundane motives. Change that as you guys feel fits best with your vision.

>>82080236
Yeah, I kinda think only King and Monolith should be Gods. Stuff like Ziz is just a big dumb bird.

>>82080339
I'd say the monolith needn't even be considered a god. More of a barely understood and incomprehensible motive force, operating under a set of criteria which the human mind can barely even begin to comprehend.

>>82080354
A god offers something in return for worship. The Monolith gives freely to any who seek it, and asks for nothing in return. Whatever befalls those who seek it out is purely upon them, the Monolith does not care nor is truly responsible. THEY sought it out, after all.

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>>82080201
>>82080188
fookin winds

>>82080236
I respectfully disagree but I think that's what makes this type of project cool, very unique blend of concepts.
Your lore for the Captain knight didn't seem to encompass pain in particular so maybe some other things can get moved around?
I don't think the top Right corner needs to be full eldritch god status, but having it be something less mundane seems to fit for the time being at least.

Are we going to attempt to built a system for it after the chart is finished ?

>>82080472
I believe previous anons suggested using preexisting systems to run this setting.
Blades in the Dark was mentioned before if memory serves.
Creating a brand new system from scratch might be a whole other can of worms

>>82080487
I would advise to use other system, but copy a few elements from BITD for fun. Savage Worlds and Shadows of the Demon Lord come to mind

As for character creation
Some classless system with point but attributes and skills

Morale/sanity would also be an interesting mechanic.

>>82076577
I'm claiming 5,1.

Heres my idea:
>Slightly land oriented
>Weird philosophy/religion movement that was invented a hundred years ago or so.
>Objective is freeing humanity from the joke of everything terrible.
>Wants to kill the fisher king, probably doomed to fail.
>Wants to destroy the monolith
>All the nine yards.
>Highly laborist, Georgist, etc. Labor movements and the like. Also a little of a republican bent.
>Hunted like pests by the government and several undercover orgs of many affiliations.
>They refuse to die.
>They even overthrew a small coastal city-state in the continent.
>They seem to only be alive because they and their ideas refuse to die.
>Their ideas are memetic as fuck, maybe a little too memetic...
>A lot of ideological variety, from hardcore terrorists to people who want to make a support base and then see what to do from there.

>Probably doomed to fail, unless...
Do tell me what you think and what parts you think we could keep and what not. If the idea is in any way salvageable at all, of course.

>>82080667
Fuck, will continue to dump ideas for this theoretical faction.
>Rejects the sea
>Rejects the land
>Strives for something more
>Man they say, but is it really man?
>No one really knows who founded their ideas, their founding book doesn't have an author or the mark of any printing company in fact. The first copies that is.
>Must be nothing.

>>82080667
>>82080766
But please, do say what do you think about this thing so I can refine it if you think it's good at all.

>>82080667
>>82080766
Sounds pretty gay and not really related to the setting

>>82077906
The familial roles aspect does work, but I also agree that 'Auntie Angler' doesn't sound quite right. I think it's the alliteration, makes her sound a little too friendly (which probably isn't the right vibe).

Maybe 'Mother Angler' or 'Sister Angler' would work better.

>>82080782
don't be a fag and shoot an anon down, at least give some feedback

>>82080782
Well, yeah, I guess.
But please elaborate. I'd rather you give me a reason. If it's good enough I'll renounce my claim and try to think up something better.

>>82080809
The description ended up less nice than the name sounded initially
Maybe just make it Aunt angler

>>82080809
Maybe it's fake friendly, it's an angler, after all.

>>82080844
Or ironic. Not the first time people assign overly friendly names to things that could rip your arm off.

>>82080667
>>82080766
basically this makes assumptions about the king and the monolith that line up with a left libertarian emancipation movement and then makes a left libertarian emancipation movement. I guess you can do it, the compass is open for everyone.

>>82080853
>>82080844
>>82080809
Granddaddy Nurgle

>>82080844
>>82080853
Fair point. I'd argue that 'Mother Angler' also has that false/ironic friendliness (and ties in nicely to 'Father Oyster'), but if people do like the name 'Aunt Angler' then it works for me.

>>82080929
I tried to imply that they were being used by a newcomer god trying to become a player on the board, maybe I made them up to be more successful than I intended they're not a major force or anything, hmm. Yeah. Doesn't seem that good of an idea. but I'll wait for some other people to give their 2 cents.

>>82080952
Other Idea I came up with is very simple, a miner.

>>82080819
I did. It doesn't relate to or frankly fit in to what's already been established.
>>82080834

There's no focused idea as well - you basically made an Mary Sue faction (and yes, that it's a faction instead of a character is another problem) that the basis is - we're against everything else because we're special and based and they try to beat us but can't because
>They refuse to die
which is 1-shite, 2- has nothing substantial behind it, and 3- just uninteresting
And the idea of ideological variety is stupid when you're trying to say they have memetic effects on their "ideas". One contradicts the other

>>82081013
AH fair, that's very fair. Thank you.
I unclaim 5,1.
It was a stupid Idea.
Now before I claim anything my other idea is a miner, which I think fits more with the theme of the setting.
Maybe we can draw of miners superstitions, for this theoretical idea of mine.

>>82081032
Hmm, but is it a useless role.
Hmmm.Might be already filled by the slab breaker.
No no no, I don't think so.
This could be more crystal-oriented.
Purposefully or not. This man might be an enemy of the earth, or maybe not, just sacred of it, extracting whatever the company wants him to extract. The dim light of a lantern and a pickaxe his only defences against whatever is below.
He hears singing. He doesn't know where it comes from.
Offers sacrifices to whatever spirit will protect him, down there.

>>82081090
Maybe not crystal oriented, but it's different from the slab breaker and similar because it's underground.
Hmm, if I were to put a claim in. These could be the guy's descriptions:
>He thinks he has seen at least one rock bleed while digging.
>He hears singing. He doesn't know where it comes from.
>Offers sacrifices to whatever thing will protect him, down there.
Maybe one more but maybe not.

>>82081109
By the way, do give your opinions on this also.

>>82081090
>>82081109
I recommend just reserving a spot and drawing a thing

>>82078856
7,5
I suck at drawing so this is the best I got (I could improve it a little though, add clothes etc)
The miner.
>He doesn't know what he is mining anymore
>He hears singing from the earth.
>He pays honor to anything that he thinks might protect him.
>He hates this, but it's his job.
It's honestly quite a shitty drawing even by my standards but it's what I can get, if someone has a problem with it they can redraw it.

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>>82081447
Fuck.

>>82081452
I hate the tiny arm but can't be bothered to redraw the lantern again.

>>82081447
Hmm, maybe we can make him from massovi, he mines coal and iron to try and fuel the small and dysfunctional industry of that clusterfuck. In a last-ditch attempt to compete with lapsaria. He hates it down there and sees shit, shit that probably plans nothing good for him. Even if a couple have beneficial intentions in mind (Whatever the delvers mean by "come home" per example)

>>82081512
By the way, someone needs to make a riverman, I won't because I'd feel kinda bad if I just made 2 characters immediately, (badly made characters at that)

>>82080667
Bone Man
>was offered the boon
>found bones, rejected the boon
>"We like the bones!"

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>>82079601
[5,7] here. If the thread's still up later I'll have [4,7] made up.
If anyone has any ideas or stuff to build with this, go for it

>>82081752
this fella is my kind of fella

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>>82078518
Carver Monk
>Zealously spread his faith
>Copying the symbols has made him blind
>Still sculpts to perfection anyway

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>>82080142
>I'm probably am not going to be posting much in near future since the setting's evolving away from my interests.

>>82082265
What position is he in?

>>82082401
Either 7,8 or 7,5.
Probably more 7,8, since becoming blind is less painful than crystals growing all over.

>>82079727
Just noticed that the mercenary says he is hired by the dignatary, instead of hired by the dignitary. Probably should fix that.
>>82078518

Please extrapolate upon the relationship of the Fish/Pain Durite Rebel with the Stone/Faith Durite Insurgent. Are these ostensibly the same group but have been corrupted/infused by the opposing powers? How did this come to be?

>>82083017
They have the same goal, which is to fight the Lapsarian occupation of Durite land, something which seems very difficult or even impossible in the face of the economic and technological disparity between the two. Durite rebels are those who will go to all lengths to fight the occupiers and have gone so far as to take on fish mutations to more effectively wage guerilla war. This makes them much more effective, but also makes them into outcasts and pariahs among their own people. They fight for a life they may never return to.

The insurgents also fight the lapsarian occupation but they haven't abandoned their ways. Instead they have been granted some kind of power from the monolith, much like the Singer in Stone, and so they didn't have to give up their culture to fight the occupiers, so they can hide in villages and stuff.

>>82083017
The feeling I have is that the power of the Monolith is not something actively sought ought out, as it is unpredictable, and only select few end up actually gaining any sort of benefits, instead of just calcifying and turning into slabs straight away. It's also not easy to get on purpose, as the Monolith doesn't answer to prayers, and it's a matter of finding the right polyp to spread to you
The Gift of the Sea, on thne otehr hand, is muchn more active and something that can be sought after with much more consistency. So maybe the ones who turned to the sea were more rash individuals sick of waiting, whod decided to act upon their troubles, making deals in exchange for power in opposition to waiting for power to come to a few lucky individuals.

>>82083017
Insurgents are based, rebels are cringe.
Even if they drive the invaders out, the rebels will have lost something that even death and subjugation couldn't take from them.
Insurgents don't do that.

>>82083017
I'd imagine it's a case where the Insurgent keeps to the old ways, still having the support of his people. The Rebel has rejected the old ways, his actions being seen as too extreme or taboo even by his fellow Durites. The two probably fight each other as much as they fight Lapsarians. There's plenty of real world examples of differing rebel groups being massively at odds with each other, even when they have a common enemy.

>>82083017
I think both are different types of extremists of the durite guerrila.
My idea for why there would even be some durites that would take the bargain with fish if they could stay aligned with stone is because the monolith-touched are rarer, or take a long time to develop. They are probably singers in stone that took up arms, so every time a monolith-touched dies, you can't exactly replace them, meanwhile all you need to get more superpowered rebels is to make a deal with the hooks and trade your humanity and faith for it.
Most of the normal durite tribals should look like the pilgrim.

>>82079178
On the professor "disapeared" > "disappeared"

So the setting is something like a mix between sunless sea and dishonored?

>>82083236
Kinda? Those are definitely some influences a lot of people designing gravitated towards, but the Stone part of the setting is pretty distinct from those influences

>>82083266
Yeah I see what you mean, the stone stuff does feel pretty unique

>>82083146
I like the idea of the insurgant being a singer in stone that took up arms, and that there are of course many insurgents with no quartz improvements, but they're not represented on the compass. I prefer that over just saying "the rebels just don't care about their culture or about being happy so they made a dumb choice'

>>82077118
Gonna expand on the Kossoki a bit.
>Nomadic group within the Tsardom
>Skilled horsemen, spend most of their lives in a saddle.
>have an affinity for plains and steppes, tend to not get that close to large bodies of water.
>Don’t worship the King because he’s just some fish, don’t worship the monolith, as a stationary permanent stone is the opposite of their way of life.
>staunchly religious, following the state religion of Lapsaria
>easily swayed by religious leaders
>due to their skills as cavalry and their loyalty to the church, they are often hired on to quell the Durites, and hunt down pilgrims.
>occasionally have conflict with the Tsardom as it’s strict borders interfere with their way of life.
>the only reason they haven’t had a rebellion of their own to control the borderlands is they’re too dedicated to raiding the Durites, and the religious leaders are in Lapsaria.
>their source of food is mostly from the herds of animals they keep and what they can forage
>the only new technology they’re really accepting of is weapons, they like getting new guns, but find the factories that make them abominable.
>lacking specific leaders, they travel where the herds wish to go, during wartime leaders are chosen by whoever can take control of the group, and they have no authority off of the battlefield.
>when decisions need to be made the oldest members of the band make a vote.
>>82079178
Slightly more faith than pain, more stone than fish
The Kossoki horseman
>love me church
>’ate the borders
>would revolt but having too much fun killing Durites
>just wanna drink fermented mares milk and ride freely
I’ll work on the art later

>>82083456
i love these guys, I'd love to draw one of them. any inspo?

>>82083541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks
Have fun.

>>82083456
>Surely the Deacon is above all suspicion

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>>82083541
think a mix of Ukrainian cossacks, and Romani nomads

>>82081526
Should the rivermen be a Venit, wearing a mask on a gondola?

>>82083541
>>82083456
also if you draw one that's been hunting durites, they keep their braided pony tails as trophies

>Tfw when a bunch of autists with painted wojacks make a better setting than anything else written in the last decade

>>82083574
Wait, turns out there were a people on the baltic sea also called the Veneti, so they might be lithunian instead of venetian.
Which one would be better anons?

>>82080236
>>82080444
I'm with this anon
desu the sky pirates don't really mesh well with the rest of the setting
It should probably stick to the conflict between land and sea as the name suggests

>>82083895
why is there a filter that turns to be honest into desu?

>>82083912
baka

>>82083655
Probably venetian in with the riverman theme

Good morning everyone. Since it seems like this won't stop at just a alignment chart I'll start movement on the next layer.

I myself draw maps relatively proficiently, so I will begin doing outlines then we can start filling it out.

Also:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjU2GkiDq5tJ8Ih9A9LxyHhC3cvmQANYG579UDgxuOM/edit?usp=sharing

This is a document meant to contain a slush of everything lore related. Everyone should be able to edit so feel free to dumb greentext and the like in. It will be translated later into a setting document.


>>82079865
>>82080142
>>82080444
>>82081452
>>82081752
>>82082265
I have these to add.

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Weed lmao

>>82084079
weed lmao

>>82084079
FOUR FUCKING TWENNY

>>82084079
DYDE WIID LUMO

>>82084079
Kellpman
No one know them
Exist only in myth
Bless those faithful with kelp
Forgotten but ever watchful

>>82083994
So the Durites and Lapsarians have a deal with the same god (Fisher King) or the Lapsarians deal with a different entity?

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I tried combining the Lord & the Captain. Tried to imply in my square that they are the same person. Didn't have too much room for text for the captain political leanings.

>>82084161
King Fisher not really a god, he's just the King Fisher, he loves his children equally, he gives gifts to those who ask. The Lapsarians have the great bargain with him, so secretly all of Lapsaria runs on king fisher oil. With the Durites, only a minority of them have chosen to ask the sea for boons, and even those that have resent him for it.

At the time where that was done, the king fisher was still the only way of getting an edge for them.

>>82084161
Some Durites rebels, from what I can tell, ran to make deals with the fish. Could be King Fisher, or maybe one of the lesser gods. King Fisher and the Council plays both sides.

>>82076577
This is the #1 contest winner for VaatiVidya's Dark Souls 2 concept art contest

>>82084310
Bloodborne 2, rather

>>82084189
I really like it!
Implying that the seemingly banal Captain is actually becoming/being influenced by an emergent force
Still needs to be chiseled out a bit more but it’s fine for now

>>82076577
Anyone else feel minor apprehension when they see a substantial cohesive-ish thread they're likely to enjoy? I've been putting off catching up on the lore before contributing for a while now.

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>>82083559
>>82083586
>>82083456
like so?

>>82084201
>ALL SHALL BE EMBRACED BENEATH THE WAVES

>>82084189
>>82084331
From what I can tell the Lapsarians not only have control of fish powers, but have managed to grind up the stone and turn it into power as well.

How do Durites even compete?

>>82084346
Looks about right.

>>82084189
>Lord & the Captain
top left and top right?

>>82084355
they don't, they are literally colonized lol. The only way they could 'win' is if they drew in a foreign power

>>82084396
Or. Just slaughter enough Lapsarians until the common man refuses to go inland.
>Tie me to a catapult and launch me at the capital.

>>82084377
I think he means putting both entries for Top Right in the same place and making the two parts of the same entity

>>82084355
I see the setting as the Lapsarians have been overlords of the Durites for a while, whereas the bargin is a relatively recent development that they've used to increase that grip. The durites are continuing to fight back, while other nations are happy to fund them from afar but basically see what the hell happens and how it all plays out, at least short term.

>>82080444
So what is the word on the sky pirates? Very high pain, neutral fish/stone?

I have an idea of how to include them:
>Zeppelins were a means by the Lapsarians to travel and deliver cargo to the continental
interior
>The Capri Bay Rebellion happens
>The military splits
>Some of the Air Marines leave and become pirates


Sky pirates are a new and dangerous faction made up of former Lapsarian military loyalists.

>>82084442
Yeah that makes sense, the colonization is long term, the bargain is recent and has intensified things immensely.

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Great Reef
>Huh, just fairytale for kids. Who would believe in a sentient reef in the middle of an ocean.
>Blasphemous by his nature.
>Turns sea into the stone.
>The only shelter from the King servants outside the deep Vast.

>>82080142
I'm in a similar boat (ba dum tsch). The thing with these political charts is its easy to stray away from a really solid core and add too many extra bits that don't fit neatly within the established boundaries

>>82084346
The Kossik Host/Boyar
>Hunts down the Durites
>Collects the braids as trophies
>Surely the Deacon is above all suspicion

I am going to explain some brief stuff about my homebrew system 6PIP:
>a d6 Dicepool System
>all characters are defined by 6 statistics, each number ranging from 1 to 6
>the statistics are Brawn, Coordination, Reflex, Nerve, Memory, and Presence
>each attribute then governs 6 skills, also ranging from 1 to 6
>the number on a skill is the number you succeed on
>the number of an attribute is how many dice you roll
>you also have an effort pool, an extra big pool of dice that you can throw at things, but exhausts on use
>>82084515
>>82080142
What parts do you think aren't turning out well. Since I'm coordinating I want to take feedback and see if I can make it appeal to most folks. I understand the issue with Stone also giving powers.

>>82084349
No matter which side he Blesses, the King Fisher plans move forward, whatever it may be

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To help tighten things up I plan on having a thread/period of time to tighten things up. Basically we will be able to have people scrutinize certain squares they do/don't like and people edit or change them to help ensure the setting is relatively tight with its themes and expectations.

>>82084561
The way I see it, it started with: This is a preindustrial setting and there is unholy portent in the water. That was supplemented with an interesting political situation and a religion involved that had some weirdness to it.

But because it's a compass, there being soemthing changing people on one side of the axis, there has to be one on the other side, so people must be able to decide whether they want fish powers or stone powers, and if there are things on the faith part that maek you more powerful, you gotta have em onthe pain part too. There's not really a coherent narrative anymore, it's a great jumble of eldritch influences overlapping and making each other mundane. Except for the almighty rubblemaster, I think everything can be reconciled well enogh, as long as people just cool down a little bit, take the foot off the gas and play in the sandbox already established instead of constantly upping the ante with another mutating power and another source of magic.

>>82084679
That's why I plan on having a scrutiny period after we finish. It's also why I wanted to imply the Rubble Master and the Knight-Captain were the same person. The Rubble Master isn't eldritch, just a man out of control.

I think a scrutiny period will help things immensely. Thank you for your input, when we get to the editing/slimming down bit we need to have cool heads who will keep the whole things reigned in.

someone's gotta do the salt merchant, I just can't get his essence right. I can't get the 'Works with the enemy but is still of Durite culture' feel right

>>82083615
The laughing, joking numbnuts who write books don't care about making good settings, they just want to be rewarded for cutting corners.
Any single person who contributed to this did magnitudes better than entire teams of chucklefucks, so be proud.

>>82084755
I was going to ask if someone was doing the merchant.
Maybe the best way to show is to have him dressed as Lapsarian but with the hair, or dressed as Durite, but without the braid.

>>82084719
>>82084679
I get what you mean. I am doing some editing:
>the statue ascendant
Making it into literally just a statue that murders people, not someone turned into a statue
>the insurgent/the singer
the Polyps don't have to impart any actual power, maybe clarify that in a Stone Polyp square in [7,8]
>The Rubblemaster
clarify that it's a man losing his mind, not superpowers

>>82084755
I swear someone laid him out in the last thread...
Yea here.
>The Durit Salt Merchant
>Despised for his steep prices and deals with the Lapsarians
>His goods are too vital for even the Durits to kill him
>He owns the water forsaken by fish

>>82084793
I still like the idea that the insurgent is a singer in stone taking up arms, and he is just representing the common durites resisting the invasion.
Because what better way to show a people rebelling than a pacifist religious man going to war?

>>82084830
I like that idea. Will add a:
>Put away the song, took up the bow.

>>82084793
>>82084830
>>82084843

like, I also think that if polyps are things that you have to be a singer to have, then it's totally reasonable for them to give you some small stuff - like heightened perception, faster reactions or whatever.
It should be subtle and mysterious

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>>82083456
>>82084346
>>82084189
Yeah that's pretty good
I have an alternative as well

>>82084896
they resonate with the singers voice, singing back

any power that comes from it is just "the stone song"

>>82084916
He might make a good Veniti if you give the horse gills or something. I pictured the Veniti as wet cossacks.

>>82084916
He seems pain aligned and stone aligned, and there aren't any spots left there. I like that horse.

>>82084896
Hardened skin, improved perception, but not much else.
Also it takes years, if not decades for it to cover a big part of the body, so it's nore of a way to show devotion and seniority than super powers.

>>82084958
>>82084916
Faith & fish aligned has a spot near the middle. Could work for him if we make him slightly damp.

>>82084974
>Also it takes years, if not decades for it to cover a big part of the body, so it's nore of a way to show devotion and seniority than super powers.
That also ties in in why Durites are seeking the ocean for powers. they do have something from the Stone, but it's long term and not very powerful. If they want great power, they have to make great sacrifices and a bargain

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>>82084916
this guy looks like a Durite hunter
>>82084346
this guy looks like a chieftain or something.

I did a coral addict, someone give me text

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>>82084189
<(4,6)
Under the mercenary, high faith, slight bent to stone.
Should be some sort of shaman or zealot figure.

I humbly suggest a Worker Union Organizer for the Lapsarians. He's anti-oil and pro-Lapsarians.
I'm not sure what he would have faith in. Steel is result of stone and pain? He believes in Lapsarian humanity and in guns.

>Preaches abstinence from Oil
>"We produce the weapons, we should use them."
>Sic semper tyrannis.

>>82084189
>>82084346
>>82084916

I'm thinking between the Durite peasant and the admiral, but I'm open to suggestions

>>82084953
I was working on a Veniti as the ferryman.
Do i stop? Or maybe we can reflavor one of them as a Timajor bandit.

>>82085025
The Salt Shaman ended up there, I could switch him to have a slight sea bend.

>>82085047
I'd say keep working and let's see the finished product, then we see whose the better Veniti.

>>82085052
Is the Carver still going in?

>>82085047
>>82084953
>>82085063

no reason no tto have multiples of the same culture on the board.

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While I keep adding can someone look at [7,8] for something like 'A Stone Polyp' or 'A Massive Polyp'.

>>82085068
Yes he is in, see pic related.
>>82084916
>>82085017
>>82084346
Have to add these.

Okay so I wanna do one more, what should I draw?

Durite Shamanesse
A Lapsarian priest
a Kossoki priest of the Lapsarian faith
Something Fish/Faith, give me a suggestion

>>82085107
The Kossoki sounds interesting, but we're lacking a Lapsarian commoner priest type.

>>82085093
The Kossoki are probably gonna be stone aligned, so unless the grid expands we might have trouble fitting them in

>>82085137
The thing is the original Kossoki post had them being between stone and fish, but were usually crown loyalists.
Of course we're probably gonna need to upgrade to 10x10 and kill CCA's pc doing it so we'll probably have the space.

>>82085137
I moved the Salt Shaman over to slight fish alignment, gonna put the Kossoki where he is currently.

>>82085093
>can someone look at [7,8] for something like 'A Stone Polyp' or 'A Massive Polyp'.
I can try my hand at that

>>82085158
>Of course we're probably gonna need to upgrade to 10x10 and kill CCA's pc doing it so we'll probably have the space.
I am thinking we take a pause before doing that.

6x6 -> 8x8 was a 28 square increase. 8x8 -> 10x10 is a 36 square increase. I want to finish things as they are first and maybe pause on expansion for now.

>>82085159
sounds pretty perfect
>>82085158
I know I made the post

>>82085107
>Durite Shamanesse
I vote for this, both because we need a bit more Regular Durites and because we are desperately needing more women in this thing.

Hmmm, we should make a pirate/explorer character, a dying remnant of the age of sail now being displaced by iron and steamers.
Or maybe, hmmm, what about a traveling merchant selling relics and strange wares from afar, real or not.
I'm just brainstorming ideas because wn.

>>82085052
I think this project is cool and I love it regardless.

Just had an idea and wanted to throw it out there.
It belongs to the thread now.

>>82085093
I have complained a lot, but can I just say that the Carver Monk and the Mnhir are exactly the kind of eery, subdued weird that I am here for. They're great

>>82085179
I figured, so take your time man, you're going gods work.

>>82085180
I meant the early early one where someone compiled all the cultures.
Speaking of which have any thoughts about regalia for the Kossoki? Veniti are the Angler folk and Masovii has its motifs but I don't think we have anything for the Kossoki yet.

Need to take a bit of a break lads, please try and coordinate for how the last few spots will be filled. Check the chart before making something.

>>82085107
My suggestion to fish faith would be some sort of explorer or another leftover from the age of sail, the type who discovered the sunset isles and Goguryeo long ago. Now dying and outdated.

>>82085202
I want to make Tsarina's maid or nun for Deacon to show how ordinary lapsarian slowly descends down the rabbit hole of conspiracy (with probably lethal end)

>>82085107
Durite shamaness makes sense.

>>82085279
Huh, that'd be interesting. I like it!. You'd put that in [4,7]?

Alright, that leaves us with 6 remaining.
3 [Pain / Fish] and 3 [Fish / Faith]
At least one of those [P/F]s belongs to the Veniti and maybe the matching bandits while the Kossoki might inherent the more neutral [F/F], but that is up in the air. Probably dependent on the art itself.

Now are the Kossoki and the Veniti similar in being mixed people, or do we make the Veniti their own thing?

>>82085312
Yes

>>82085279
Both are great. I slightly prefer the maid, but both should be done by the end

>>82085093
Hmmm, is it weird that I find the Delvers a bit out of place? Their design seems kinda generic alien/lizardperson. Would you mind if I tried making them a bit more related to the whole Polyp/Slab situation in design?

>>82085348
>>82085093
If that were to happen, you could move the delvers to [7,8], push The Singer in Stone to [7,7] and use [6,7] for >>82085107's Durite Shamanesse

>>82085348
Go for it, I noticed it too.

>>82085260
well Durites have a slight Mongol vibe about them so I'm thinking more Caucasian Steppe people for the Kossoki. Likely an ethnic offshoot of the Durites that intermixed with Lapsarians and adopted their faith, perhaps centuries old outcasts due to the differences.

They likely have a language that's a creole of both, with some new words here and there.

being almost strictly nomadic, most of their clothing is handmade on the move, so nothing too fancy, though they likely adorn themselves with familial tamgas either on their clothing or on jewelry, and in war time families would likely follow their relative with the banner that bears their tamga.

>>82085319
The Kossoki are definitely a mixed people, but I think the Veniti would be fairly homogeneous

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Well, as hard as I tried I couldn't get the Venit on the gondola, so this is what i have.
The Venetii Ferryman
>Only way to travel thorough the Venit river
>Ask for an absurd price
>Might drown you anyway
> Never takes off his mask

>>82085440
It might make for an interesting division if all of their Tamga and jewelry are fish based rather than the Durite stone styles. Same style but completely different alignment.

>>82085529
Nice. Maybe make his eyes (or the whole of the eyeholes) black. Auntie Angler has her gifts.

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>>82085348
Go ahead, let me give you their art.

>>82085348
It was suggested before, but colouring the Delvers as just an outline was an idea, that only their eyes would have any colour. Incomprehensibility could be of use because their origins aren't clear. But take your swing either way.

>>82085557
well they would vary from clan to clan, there'd definitely be a few that use older Durite styles, but they were likely outcast for a reason

>>82085529
The colors are much darker on 4chan than when I was working with it.
>>82085557
Should they have a bit of yellow eyes as well because of oil?

>>82085575
Thanks! Was about to as for this
>>82085608
I'll try both a crystal-based style and something in this vein. Though I suck at drawing, so can't gurantee anything good.

>>82085619
The only people who are chronic oil addicts are the Hassym, but they got that eelsmuth look going probably.

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>>82085529
New version.

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>>82085862
Fuck, forgot the black eyes.

>>82085877
Oh yea that looks great.

>>82085257
I made both, I'm happy someone liked them.
Although the monk was inspired by another anon that suggested a atone sculptor, so I just toned it down and replaced mad with blind.

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did a shamanesse. Don't ahve text for her but she's supposed to be a traditional Durite priest. I think of them as a kind of shinto monolith's buddhism, so a syncretic religion that kind of attaches itself to the larger one. The religion itself is outlawed, but I think they're permitted to be medicine women and stuff and maybe still practice.

>>82086038
So the Carver monks are outlawed in Lapsaria, that means the one you drew is maybe from Yothestein? He has a Germanic air to him.

>>82085093
interestingly, not that many people ahve oil-yellow eyes. I count between 4 and 6

>>82086059
Not sure where to place her, only Stone/Faith is cramped and [7,8] is going to A Massive Polyp.

>>82086106
eh, jsut keep her in reserve for the 9x9, no need to cram her in. I just got a lot of requests for her.

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We are at 60/64

2 Pain/Fish and 1 Faith/Fish remain. 1 Stone/Faith is left, but I believe it is being drawn already (haven't marked it as claimed yet).

>>82086090
That means we need a Hassym.
We also need to cover an Aemii, Yechod and Goguryeo.
Also the salt merchant.

>>82086106
I think some stuff is reshufling, and The Stone Singer's spot wil become open.
Speaking of
>>82086151
Any opinion on doing >>82085374?

So what is up with the Delvers exactly? Are they just stone version of fishmen, or are they something else?

>>82086180
The Brackish ones are servants of the King, the Monolith doesn't give a shit about the Delvers.

>>82086202
So what are they then? Is the lore open for speculation?

>>82086160
That makes a good deal of sense. A redrawn delvers can move to [7,8]

>>82086180
they're like ants under stones, only the stone is magic and so are they

>>82086180
The delvers are WIP. They might just be worshipers of the monolith, they might be something more. But whatever they may be, we know they are getting a redesing

>>82086209
Open for speculation but I feel like what they were doesn't matter so much as what they are.

>>82086059
I used for reference a image of a franciscan monk, but he is suposed to be from anywhere from the deep vast where stone is the state religion
But I guess if we are going if Macavii/Yothestein being an iberian/italian/HRE clusterfuck, he is can be from there.

>>82086151
tring to work on something that might occupy one of those fish spaces. Basically the spirit of a boatman trying to guide his fellows to safety before what happened to him happens to them, what do you think about it and where do you think it should be? Given that anon is working on a aide to the tsarina I'd say in the pain area.