>>82061807
You guys can tell me if the fading effect looks ok.

>>82061061
Working on adding you next friend, sorry for the wait.

>>82061803
Do we have space for someting lik "The foreign emissary"? I feel like that the setting still feels a bit constricted because while there are smugglers and ships, there's no mention of other countries. just a little peppering of outside influences may be cool

>>82061842
Yeah, originally we wanted to focus in to flesh out the Lapsarian/Durite conflict.

I'm guessing a Foreign Emissary is hard stone aligned if they're from inland. And Faith/Pain aligned is entirely depending on the place in question.

>>82061857
yea, I just don't wanna take away valuable space. Like, I still would want more Lapsarian military there - an officer maybe - and a bunch more durites, and I still wanna do a cannon-carrying slab knight. Space has become very precious and I love it

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>>82061803
I thought 7 by 7 was too many spaces when you suggested it, but maybe it was the right choice after all.

>>82061857
Emissary should be Monolith-aligned, would explain why the Slab Knights haven't destroyed it yet if it's way inland and in a foreign country that still follows the old ways. Being Lapasrian probably makes you the enemy of the old world but that only drive Lapasrians further into the welcoming arms of the King. Maybe the Durites are being colonized so that Lapasria can take the fight inland by breaking the very earth and dredging canals further and further in.

>>82061996
I love the idea that the monolith is not in the borders of Lapsaria, but more like a kind of Mecca you do pilgrimages to. That's real good.

I don't so much like to make Lapsarians unequivocal villains to everyone else, at least not until that's clearly established on the compass. I would like a little bit more nuance there, so more fun stuff can be done with all types of outside attitudes.

>>82062030
[spoilers]The Lapsarians are progress, the way to make them good is to make oldschool monolith worshippers Luddites. Lapsarians are reformed ones who use the stone, and now the oil.[/spoiler]

>>82062091
alright, reserve me a stone/faith square of your chosing and I'll do a foreign emisary tomorrow. If you want I can also do one from across the Ocean, so we have two different flavours

>>82062030
Maybe not villains then, but the kind of unrestrained progress that might be questionable if you took a step back to see what it cost them.

The Bargain and its consequences have been a diaster for Lapsaria.

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>>82062121
Reserved [6,5]

>>82062369
Taking a break, will be back to do more in a bit.

>>82062369
Can I reserve [6,4] for stone statues carved in shape ?

>>82062756
Done.

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>>82062843
The update, we're going slow but that's normal for a Saturday evening.

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>>82062982
The stone admiral
>Bastard child of the monolith - was it carved out by its sculptor or did it create one to do so ?
>Put on pedestal at the dawn of age of sailing
>Humanitys #1 fan
>Immaterial boons granted to those who kill pigeons on its square

Feel free to abreviate the details or invent someting new/else for it, I'm not native english speaker.

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>>82063349
Alterantive greyish, marble version

>>82063349
I like it. Eldritch enough and funny without being too silly

Sounds like a mix between Warhammer and Lovecraft. At least it's not generic D&D setting #97642357897654345, but that doesn't make it good.

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>>82063479
what's wrong with it?

>>82063489
"Sounds like a mix between Warhammer and Lovecraft."

>>82063479
>t. hasn't read enough to do anything but compare media to nerdy pop culture

You're like, one degree of separation from the guys who say politics is just like Harry Potter. It isn't that the setting is Lovecraft+Warhammer, your pool of literature is just too shallow to understand nuance.

>>82063359
I'm back, will add now.

>>82061803
Ok, but what's a Slab?

>>82063565
I assume it is what happens when you let the stone polyps grow on you for too long.

>>82063565
Slabs grow like trees.

>>82061803
This reminds me of Sunless Sea
>>82063580
Maybe add something of the Slabs themselves to the compass? Unfortunately most [6,x] are occupied already, so maybe [5,6] for a Mid Transition slab?

>>82063565
You need to be level 3 in society of slabbreakers to gain knowledge fo that

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>>82063479
I can see lovecraft, but am unsure where the Warhammer is coming from. The Slab Knights?

>>82063359
>>82063562
Finished.

I am considering [6,2] for a Slab itself, considering a lot of things mention them.

>>82063479
>but that doesn't make it good.
Then why don't you show an ounce of your own shit taste and tell us what you think is good?

>>82063654
> I am considering [6,2] for a Slab itself
Wouldn't it be weird to put the Slab right next to both the slab breakers?
Is the claim on [6,5] solid? If it's something that can't be scooched over we can do like >>82063645 suggests and put the Slab on [5,6]

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>>82063505
But why is that bad? All settings are ultimately a mix of X and Y. Warhammer itself is just Dune mashed up with Alien. Lovecraft is Poe mixed with Dunsany.

If we expand out to 8x8 I plan on adding some additional gods around King Fisher. The plan is:
>The Eel Sire
>Father Oyster
>Mother Moray

>>82063645
I am considering [6,2] right below the breakers for a Broken Slab.

>>82063645
They're just slabs, not a faction. They grow like trees, used for manufacturing by the stoneworkers after being smashed, high in innate energies and can be transmuted. Divers sometimes find Deep Slabs, which have other useful properties.

Polyps only grow on people who have strong Stone alignment, and even then only those who listen to it and accept the pain.

>>82063687
>>82063679
>>82063654
So this seems to be in contention, slabs are either:
>naturally growths, growing like trees
>transformed people, caused by stone polyps
Both of these are interesting, but very different directions.

>>82063696
Could be like the term 'flora' or 'plant.' While all growths are considered slabs to the lay person, only a specific category are true slabs. Of course, you're a poor peasant you probably don't know the difference. Especially when you start calcifying.

>>82063686
>If we expand out to 8x8 I plan on adding some additional gods around King Fisher
There is definite potential. Especially if we expand the nature of salt and steel.

>>82063787
Could be, I do like 'a bit of column A, a bit of column B'. Since The Monolith's state of living and sentience is, confused.

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Changed the title again, so far I like this configuration the most. I really do want to expand the chart and will work towards doing that today I think. mainly I want to do so because it's become obvious to me that we can not fill all the concepts in with just 6x6. Also when you are crowd sourcing it grows quickly.

Thank you all for your help, cooperation, and patience with me.

when we expand out to 8x8 we can move around some items.

"Stone causes pain" should be the guiding principle of Stone. People just had to accept it, but now the Slab Knights turn that pain into zeal to destroy stone, and if you follow the King, he takes the pain away.

>>82063869
The axis don't work if Pain & Stone are the same thing.

>>82063869
No, I'd argue stone is an aspect of being, just like fish (or the sea rather,) with various delineations. Faith purifies these elements, unlike pain which transforms them into salt and steel respectively, maybe.
Technically speaking, if that train of logic is followed, even if the King Fisher and Monolith are dualistic entities, both might actively reject the transformations of pain and the power found in salt and steel.
Hm. That actually fits the four corners nicely, though I leave it up to the crowd if they want to go in that direction.

>>82063865
Nice shading on the admiral. But the first and last paragraph kind of say the same thing (or contradict each other). Maybe include the last in first like this:
>Loves humanity, was (or had itself?) carved in its image
And have the third line just be "bastard child of monolith"

I could also do [6,2] for primitive stone idols on the verge of humanity.

>>82064175
Fixed it for you friend. [6,2] right now is free, but we still need to fit in a Slab itself.

>>82064205
Maybe [4,2] would be better if only to amp up the becming human part. Then again , i need to go to sleep so it might be better to free the [6,2] spot. I will come back when I wake up and see if there are any free spots that need filling. There is usually some kind of creative impasse when there is only 1-2 spots left.

>>82064475
Whoops, I meant to have my trip.

>>82064460
[6,2] would be better for stone idols I think, I added a slab.

>>82063889
The axis doesn't work anyway.

It's getting late, I'll let this go for the night and see how it looks in the morning.

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>>82065124
Have a good night man!

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>>82065759
I lied, I did another.

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>>82065796
Wrong image, that's the one from before I fixed the horrible shading.

Another piece of lore. The continent is referred to generally as 'The Vast'. My first idea is that this setting is a Pangea one, meaning sea travel far from shore never became common. The continent is vast, the sea is unexplored.

This would be a lot better if they weren't mostly fucking wojak edits

>>82065976
shut up f4g
go back to r3ddit
twitter tr4nny

>>82065995
Don't be mean to people by shitposting friend, some people don't like wojaks and that's just a facet of the website.

>>82065817
>The Delvers
>those that scurry under the stone
>the mountains call
>they sing for us
>they call for you
>come home

>>82066057
I like the idea, maybe at [5,6], a counterpart to The Brackish Ones.

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>>82063865
Done the

Foreign Dignitary

>His country arms the rebels and everybody knows it
>Can't be confronted for fear of an international incident
>Worries about increasingly radical Durite tactics


Not a huge fan of the Leviathan name btw, but not too fussed either.
>>82066354
Pic related also worship the monolith, if you're looking for inspo

>>82065817
Hm, I'd like to reserve 5, 6

either for: the Durite Pilgrim OR the Stone Shaman, not sure yet which

>>82065817
I would like to take 4 6 for "Lost Anthropologist"

>>82066047
As long as you're using dead memes, add in some lolcats, insanity wolves, raptor Jesus, trollface, forever alone, etc.
Or are you just a newfag tourist who thinks pepe and wojack were the only memes to exist?

>>82067938
scathing

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>>82067170
>>82065817
Durite Pilgrim

>Defies the ban on pilgrimages
>Outlaw in his own country
>Admired by locals
>He hides holy quartz close to his heart

>>82068248
I realize this is probably too large to look good on the compass, but I like it so eh.

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>>82065817
Not sure where to fit him in, but:

The Lapsarian Renegade
>Turned to the Stone to escape Capri Bay
>"BREAK THE BARGIN"
>Spearguns and Spite

>>82068254
It looks really good, captures a sense of wanderlust well.

>>82067938
Ecksdee

>>82065976
If you look back at the political chart threads, most of them are wojak based, it means there is ease of use for people to get involved

>>82068288
Fuck yea I'm very happy about someone like the Lapsarian Renegade coming onto the scene. Brings in a new dynamic and this could bear new fruit with the Durites as well. Also I think we are getting into the territory where we will need to migrate to a bigger compass.

>It looks really good, captures a sense of wanderlust well.
That's half the intention. The other thing I want to communicate with it is a man left completely to his own devices in a hostile land. He is a hero in the villages, but an outlaw for any official.

>>82067938
>He was, indeed, seething

>>82067964
>>82068288
Well?

>>82068894
I'm *waiting*!

>>82061803
So is there a setting codex that I can look through cause I kinda like it

>>82069040
Okay tourist.

>>82069449
Reading Lovecraft and Warhammer lore will tell you everything you need to know.

>>82069449
Honestly feels like we'd need to consolidate everything. That said with the upgrade from 6x6 to 8x8 we'll have more space for additional nations. Right now you could establish this as a pure setting book.

>>82069472
Tbh I don’t really see any warhammer in here

>>82069461
fuck....

>>82069449
It's a danger to make this too concrete. The biggest appeal of doing this compass is the presence of fuzziness, the undetermined parts that are only implied by the stuff on the compass. Every new square is somehow surprising and opens up new possibilities. Narrowing it down with a compass closes up those possibilities. People can give you their head canon though.

>>82069590
There's way more dishonored here than anything else desu

>>82069682
really, the biggest part, I feel, is blades in the dark (which of course is itself heavily inspired by dishonored)

>>82069682
Yeah it’s like if dishonoured had lovecraftian fish people and the black marker from dead space

>>82069707
Hey now. Dagon isn't shit and don't you blaspheme against the Stone.

>>82069693
The biggest part I see is probably the lore focus on whale oil and how it causes something of a technology revolution in the setting analogous to the European industrial revolution. That and the connection between that oil and an eldritch power

>>82061803
You know, I thought compasses were dumb bullshit, but this is incredible. It even makes me want to make one for my setting.
Well done, y'all. /tg/ gets shit done and this project is a shining example.

What system GURPS would you use for it?

>>82063696
Why not both?
>the monolith is meant to prepare the world for something
>Those that listen to it too faithfully find themselves slowly becoming that which the monolith needs to create
>others of the monolith’s kind meant for their own purposes are grown or arrive from the earth and stone

>>82070003
The monolith is the first slab and beacon to bring all the rest

>>82070052
I personally believe that the monolith has been there before and has always been. but the ambiguity is a feature, not a bug.

>>82069953
>What system GURPS would you use for it?
I think Bladen in the Dark (as >>82069693 said) has a very simmilar vibe, and if you wanted the campaign to focus on heists nd whatnot it would be a near-perfect match

>>82069449
>So is there a setting codex that I can look through cause I kinda like it
Pretty much what's in the OP, and what people have discussed in the thread. Nothing's set in stone (heh) yet, and the story/lore is being made as we go with the entries.
Also, like >>82069655 said, the fuzzyness is useful to help us have more freedom in what we can insert next

I have returned and will be adding in pieces, thank you for your patience. It has been a long morning.

>>82070553
Hey no worries boss. Are we going to clarify the nature of faith and pain today? I like the idea of Faith as purifying, while Pain is transformative. Salt and Steel feel underutalized and I like 82064097's suggestion.

>>82068248
Damn, nice horse

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>>82070003
>>82070052
Monolith is actually pic related

>>82070611
Sure. I agree with the assessment. Faith is enduring & primordial. Pain is transformative and unasked for.

Salt & Steel are, in my mind, the Sea & the Stone but perverted for progress. It's natural resources provided by Fish & Stone but transformed through industry. It's naturally PAIN aligned.

>>82070611
>>82070780
great approach, and I don't disagree with it, but let's not go too ham on clarifying stuff.

To repost the emergent lore summary:
> Lapsarians have a deal with the Ocean Gods for oil, and perhaps for more.
> Part of the bargain involves suppressing other groups, such as the cult of the Monolith, for which the Slab Breakers created the Slab Knights
> Lapsarians Colonize Durites, and a civil war begins between Durite Rebels (and Other separatists) and Lapsarians. This ends up driving more and more Durites into extremism, and into worshiping and making their own bargains with the Fisher King
> Back at Lapsaria, a group of Lapsarian rebels leaded by the Last Captain lose a decisive battle at sea, and were turned into monsters themselves.
> The internal political situation of Lapsaria is also fragile, as the Oil Tycoon makes his plays for power, against the interest of the Hooks (and the State Powers who secretly are in cahoots with The Hooks)
>The combination of old Stone magic & new Oil Alchemy has caused a rapid industrialization.
>The Monolith is far away in the interior of the continent, away from Lapsarians
>The continent is known as The Vast, the world exists as a Pangea with it being the only landmass. Long-term sea voyages outside of the sight of land never became common until recently.

ALSO FOR AXIS:
>FISH
Aligned to the vast world sea
>STONE
Aligned with the vast interior continent.
>PAIN
Unasked for, Transformative, New.
>FAITH
Preserving, Primordial, Sought.

>>82070861
You're right, the stuff >>82070864 should just be considered a general outline. If anyone wants to change it for any reason we can.

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>>82070553
4 6
>Famous Anthropologist
>First Lapsarian who reached the Monolith despite taboos and rebels
>Is returning to his home surrounded by glory and journalists
>Carries the "Gift" to Tsarina in his heart.

>>82070861
This is just base law stuff, so we have some understanding of elements and don't end up contradicting ourselves.
Shit's like gravity, or the flame equation, basic where the actual actors and entities play upon these elements, and where the true esoteric elements come in. With this we can make sure actors function in the grid between orthodoxy and exquisite transformation.

>>82068248
I might move the Durite Pilgrim to [4,6] in order to make room for The Delvers in [5,6] as the stone equivalent of the Brackish Ones.

>>82070903
Hm, ok. I will shift things. Maybe no delvers.

>>82070948
You can move Anthropologist to 6 2

>>82066575
he looks like he's derping

>>82070864
Pain seems worldly and violent in contrast to Faith, with either interpretation it seems like Pain is the...PC condition. Player Characters are inherently Painful with very few exceptions.

>>82070948
is [6,5] still being worked on? If not, you can use that for either Delvers or something else
>>82070969
I think he fits better in Faith as he seems to be bearing a gift from the Monolith.

>>82071005
Would it be the monolith proper or just the guardians and servitors of the monolith? Doesn't feel like the Monolith would bother, where everything surrounding it very much would.

>>82071005
I think [6,5] is meant for >>82066575

>>82071005
>is [6,5] still being worked on? If not, you can use that for either Delvers or something else
I am working on [6,5] for the Delvers.

>>82071077
>>82071035
I meant [5,6] not [6,5]. I moved the Archeologist up to [6,5]. The lad looks in pain so it works.

>>82066575
Should we name his country? My gut says Masovii or Obrzanzie.

Adding 1 more then I'll post the update. We're close to the end.

I had originally reserved [6,1] for the Lapsarian Dredging Pit Owner, would someone else like to take it and put a different spin on the insane industrialist?

>>82071092
I like Masovii

>>82071127
I'd say roll with it and see how it looks, so long as we're upgrading to 8x8. We can afford some shuffling.

>>82071127
>>82071146
Sounds like a plan. I will use fat wojak for the massive capitalist.

>>82071132
Masovii, the Commonwealth of Opal and Oak.
Has a nice ring to it.

>>82071166
as the guy who drew that dude, I approve of this name. someone draw a wojak with that name in it!

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The Pilgrim is shuffling one to the left to make room for The Delvers. The remaining open spots are:
[2,4], [3,5], and [5,1].

Then we will take a pause to expand out to 8x8 and shuffle things around into new positions.

>>82071192
I'll do a redraw of the pilgram on this scale some time

My first instinct for a system would to put this into my homebrew system 6PIP, Six Points In Pools, a d6 dicepool system

Maybe we should add somebody from lapsarian commoners in the Fish-Faith square to show how world looks like to large part of the population. Like farmer (using Bri'ish template).

I will be the first to propose this. When we expand to 8x8 I suggest we expand The Monolith to take up a 4x4 in the bottom right corner.

>>82070903
>>First Lapsarian who reached the Monolith despite taboos and rebels
this feels a bit at odds with the recency implied in most of the anti-monolith lore. I don't mind particularely but I thought I'd point it out

>>82071192
Thoughts for [5,1] as I can't draw for shit.
> The Yechodic Smith
> A Tortured Smith from A Tortured People for A Tortured Task
> Taught by Shapers, warped by their Salts and Oils
> Made the Knights What they Are
> He'll have the Last Laugh

>>82071274
Might be better if he was the first to touch the Monolith.
Which, generally, is a really bad idea. Like touching cocks in public.

>>82071291
but it implies that no Lapsarians ever did pilgrimages to the monolith before the bargain. That there were no stone worshippers before it in the country

>>82071274
I thought that existence of the Monolith while we already have slab knights means that lapsarians still cant find or capture the Monolith.

>>82071298
Yes, I know, which doesn't make much sense seeing as the Stone is tied to the Vast. Perhaps he should be a Coastal noble instead? Similar rules to the Kaaba?

>>82071323
no, the monolith is just not in Lapsarian territory

How do I unlock this sort of creativity within my brain?

>>82071426
Specifically for this process?
We begin with two axis, this is a relatively simple step, but you should carefully pick what you want to work with. In our case we have...
>FISH <-> STONE
>PAIN <-> FAITH
That was what we started with. Generally you want contrast, but as these are more esoteric folds, we can allow the organic growth of the setting to clarify the division between Faith and Pain. In this case Faith is the old powers of the world, while Pain is a transformative power that has radically altered both the political world and the essence of it, while Fish and Pain represents the division of a Pangean landmass and an endless ocean.
But that is a product of growth that is clarified, once we have decided on the Axis, we begin establishing figures on those Axis, who will grow the setting further. In this case we started with the King Fisher and the Monolith, absolute and orthodox entities, contrasted by the heterodox Last Captain and the Slab Knights. Other things are added, more minor players, important figures, servitors, the common man and major elements.
Truth be told, LEVIATHAN is a very solid base, derrived from a good axis and a solid starting point. But anyone can do it.

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>>82071192
3 5
Lapsarian Farmer
>luv me beer
>luv me farm
>'ate stonefuckers
>simple as

>>82071192
I'm gonna do an Industrial Slab Knight. It may be good for 5,1 if nothing else goes there but since it'll be kind of a duplicate I don't wanna reserve it for definite

>>82071531
Maybe save it for when we expand to 8x8. It would definitely fit, but we are tight on space and a stone aligned industrialist is probably more important for this size of chart.

>>82071526
Do we go full salt with it?
>Lapsarian Kelp Farma
>Luv me (sea)weedwind
>Luv me kelp

>>82071192
I feel like we should swap the Lapsarian Infantryman and the Forgotten Slab.
Is an infantryman really more stone than a stone?

>>82071552
Wow, even better

>>82071526
>luv the Tsarina

>>82071552
Shit I meant (sea)weedwine
But yea, the Lapsarians are going full waterborne.

>>82071569
Yea, add that in. He's got short lines so there's space.

>>82071531
The Smith works better I think, although a slab knight will definitely work in the 8x8.

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>>82061803
Where's the gobbo shortstack?

>>82071558
Makes sense, will switch them.

>>82071590
>>82071542
is this a request for me to draw one of thsoe?

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The Delvers & The Lapsarian Seaweed Farmer have been added.


>>82071636
If you want, otherwise I was gonna draw one as fatjak. I got advice last thread to not ask other people to do something I won't do.

>>82071675
Do we give the Monolith and the Delvers a similar colour alteration to the Fisher and the Brackish ones? Perhaps pale in comparison to the darkness where fish dwell?

>>82071704
I'm against symmetry, personally. They're differnt things with different stuff, they're not two pallette swaps of one kind of deity. They're not even technically enemies

>>82071516
I find it difficult to apply myself, even to write a sentence or two. It's interesting to see the growth of a story and the questions that arise seemingly from nothing.

>>82071740
I agree that not all symetry is great, but the Monolith seems a bit bland right now, compared to Fisher King who has both custom background and boundary braking.

>>82071516
What's opposition between Fish / Stone? Is it purely land vs ocean or does it go deeper than that?

>>82071704
I agree with >>82071740, the two sides being too much of a duality takes away the strangeness.

>>82071740
Fair enough, and more fitting of the Monolith. I feel like the Delvers are missing something, think.
The Monolith just is, unfortunately the same can't be said for its most fervent supporters.

>>82071740
I support this point of view. Dualism is overused. I think Delvers shouldn't be the Monolith emissaries like Brakish ones.

>>82071754
My idea is when we go to 8x8 the Monolith expands to take up a a 2x2 space. So it's LARGNESS is appreciated.

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Quick update, moved some things around and increased the size of the Slab Knights. I am also considering we change the big knight into 'Knight Captain XXXXX' when we go to 8x8 so we can add more slab knights.

Only 2 spots left!

>>82071756
You could (and should) consider all alternatives. This might be a continuous conflict between land and sea, or perhaps it is just the influence of the Black Abysses denizens and the Pure Stone. The entities might be just elemental aspects of existence and not even consider each other, unlike humans who would fall into dualistic beliefs. Perhaps these are not the only powers that be, and at some point some foreign ship is gonna show up, look around, and immediately fuck off because man this place is fucky. Someone else will consider the Orthodox/Industrial clash, and then we have joe schmoe who just is living in it.

>>82071771
Personally I'd say make it one across but two tall. Large but not robbing space from other stone faithful. Are the Delvers subterranean?

>>82071675
Oooh how about the dude who ties rocks to people and executes them by dropping in the water in the top middle of the upper right quadrant?

What do we think about shuffling Harpooner toward fish ("doesn't care about landlubber problems") and moving lapsarian seaweed farmer up one (to get that nice contrast opposite the lapsarian factory drone)?

>>82071771
I like that idea

What if Delvers are third force LARPing as Monolith emissaries to use stone worshippers in their plans?

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I drew this the last time I did a political compass like this. It may be a good add for high pain, neutral fish/stone when we expand.

>>82071821
That makes sense. It also frees high faith medium fish for something.

>>82071822
My personal take is that the delvers are a degenerated form of man, or an ancient race that preceded men here and only register devotion to the stone as a sign of alignment.
And accordingly this is why no coastals ever actually reached the monolith. But that's just my take.

>>82071821
>What do we think about shuffling Harpooner toward fish ("doesn't care about landlubber problems") and moving lapsarian seaweed farmer up one (to get that nice contrast opposite the lapsarian factory drone)?
I think this is a good sugestion
>>82071817
> Personally I'd say make it one across but two tall. Large but not robbing space from other stone faithful. Are the Delvers subterranean?
I also like this. I can give a highes def/differently shaped monolith image if we go for that if it fits in better
>>82071815
Maybe for the slab knights you can Hide the borders/change the layer order so the knight is above the border? Right now it looks kinda weird to have parts of the drawing covered by the lines

>>82071838
I just think that separating the Delvers from the Monolith will help us to keep the Monolith indifference and alienness

>>82071837
I was thinking move the tsarina one left and move the Dignitary 2 left, freeing [6,5]. the Dignitary doesn't seem to fit in much with the otther full stone entries for now

>>82071867
Yea for sure, I'm just thinking about making them more distinct. In their current form they're just kinda out of place to me.
Maybe make their box and skin the same colour, and give the eyes a contrast colour? Because it is stone even if they're undergrounders, I think the deep has dark tints devoured. Rich brown with white eyes maybe?

>>82071863
>>82071837
>>82071821
This would also put Lapsarian Seaweed Farmers on the same Faith/Pain level as Durite Peasants which seems appropriate to me.

>>82071899
>>82071884
Ok, going to do some aggressive shuffling. Doing this will free [6,5] for something high stone/high faith related.

>>82071898
This would bee cool too but I was saying about phrases. Maybe we also should add "carries the Gift from the Delvers in hs heart" to Archeologist.

>>82071921
Yea, I'm all for that.

>>82071911
High stone and high faith? How about the Menhir.
>Attempts to copy the Monolith
>What do the writings even mean?
>It's not a slab

>>82071921
not against it, but keep in mind "gift" is a fisher king term. Let's be sure not to have eldritch fish boons and eldritch stone boons be basically interchangable things on two sides of a compass

>>82072059
That sounds pretty cool.

>>82072180
harsh

THE LAST SQUARE, THE LAST SQUARE, THE LAST SQUARE.

I will begin working on expanding the chart. If you want to draw something and don't think it will fit into the 6x6 it will almost for sure fit the 8x8 so don't be shy.

>>82072180
Here's an example of a high pain-fish alligment, as evident by the salt.

>>82072180
this post was made by Durite Rebel hands

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>>82072202
Forgot the image.

>>82072180
Ah. I see the Brackish Ones finally did something useful.

>>82072248
Give it to the Menhir I'd say.

>>82072059
Maybe
>Raised in imitation (emulation? respect?) of the Monolith
>Who raised it?
Make a point that it's not artificial and not as ancient as the Monolith but still plenty mysterious

>>82072266
No one has drawn The Menhir yet, so waiting on that to add it in.

>>82072248
Stone Sculptor

Sculpts stone to perfection
Will make marble perfection
Does as the Monolith order

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>>82072059
Here's a few ideas for the Menhir I found on wikipedia.
>>82072269
Yeah, the attempts to copy the Monolith was meant to say it was man-made (or delver made)
Other ideas were that it was the "true" son of the monolith, to contrast witge the admiral's bastard.
Or that there were multiple, and each is the the center of the local stone workship.

>>82072292
To be honest I don't like idea of the Monolith getting involved in earthly conflicts. It should stay unmoving and apathetic.

>>82069590
>all gods & leaders are shitty, the people don't matter, general grimdark wank
>"I don't see any Warhammer"

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>>82072248
okay, did an industrial knight.

We've got some really stone aligned dueds pretty far fishwards on the chart now. Like, a DUrite Pilgrim right next to the Bishop - or rather the Deacon now it seems. The Masovii, who stilla re, presumably, still worshipping the monolith are way to the middle too, and the Tsarina's not stone at all anymore which I find a shame.

But the above is just my opinion, I'm not upset if it's left like this.

Anyway, for the 8x8

The Industrial Slab Knight

>Outfitted after the Ververian Campaign
>Really smashes people more than slabs nowadays
>Still loves smashing slabs though

>>82072292
Maybe the stone sculptor makes the Menhirs?

>>82072292
>>82072354
yea, the monolith contains all, knows all, but doesn't really do anything

>>82072354

That's fair
My main idea is to Sculptors to just go mad and either hear or think their hear the Monolith telling them to build Marble Abominations

>>82072360
Damn that's good.

>>82072384
>My main idea is to Sculptors to just go mad and either hear or think their hear the Monolith telling them to build Marble Abominations
Feels like that kinda fills the same niche as the Singer in Stone

>>82061803
>pain is counter to faith
Filthy heretical gnostic trash.

>>82072349
Oh right. I read "attempts" to copy the monolith as though it were a verb (the menhir was attempting to copy the 'lith) rather than a noun (the menhir was an attempt to copy the 'lith)

>>82072429
>>/x/

>>82072429
we all know Catholicism is correct in real life but here we are playing pretend

>>82072421
The singer seems a bit more at peace witth the situation, while the Sculptors would be a bit (lot) more manic

>>82072360
I am wonder if you'd be interested in doing a headshot of a Slab Knight, for Knight Captain Fletcher (or some other name) to be the top right corner.

>>82072641
sure, if you want to have three slab knights on here I can do a slab knight captain style thing. I'll put my spin on it though

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>>82072429
Think of it this way: Faith is believing that someday the pain will end, Pain is believing that the pain is all there is.

>>82072499
>>reddit
>>/lgbt/

>>82072710
Of course, three slab knights sounds good for the 8x8.

>>82072714
>faith is when pleasurable prostate
Heretical dumb hippy scum.

>>82072755
I don't know what fucking brand of Christianity doesn't believe that the world is temporary and futile, and that redemption and final judgement is inevitable.

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>>82063869
>>82063645
>>82063565
>>82063580
>>82063646
>>82063679
>>82063687
>>82063696
>>82063787
>>82070003
>>82070052
>>82070074
>>82070864
>>82071815
>>82071863
>>82072360
I want to weigh in here really quick about all the Slab related lore. I am the anon who did the first Slab Knight. I like where all this is going, so take the following as you will. This is all supposed to be collaborative anyways so whatever the group is feeling, I am with it.

>The Monolith is the source of all Stone-Related power, though maybe not the only source. What was is it before? What does it portend?
>People who worship it/spend time around it develop polyps and eventually turn into happy, immobile, sentient stone: A Slab.
>When Slabs are broken, a specific type of very dense yet malleable stone dust is produced that can be refined and used for numerous industrial purposes ("why does this stone wall feel so fleshy?")
>The Slab Breakers were the original group that broke Slabs and traded for oil, making their country strong.
>Unable to bear the burden after realizing what they were doing was essentially murder, yet still dependent on the raw materials from Slab breaking, they slowly started to found a new order to do their dirty work
>Enter: The Slab Knights
Now here is the twist I has always intended for the knights
>This order is used like a Militant Police force now by the ruling class
>Very easy to eliminate those you do not need
>"We had to kill him, he was becoming a Slab, you all saw it"
>However, no one counted on the order becoming so zealously into pain
>Their Leadership, Knight-Captain Patryk, is starting to have power that rivals the ruling class
>who really controls?
>All the while, the Stone helmets the knights wear are growing denser and denser
>They're exposed to raw slabs and polyps more than anyone...
>"Sir, I am your Tsarina , now I command you: Remove your helm!!"
>"...But madame Tsarina... I wear no helm..."
>Are they becoming something new entirely?

>>82072781
idk, that really doesn't work very well with a lot of the other stuff that's been added to the compass since anymore.

In fact, it doesn't really fit with the original slab knight, who is explicitely thoughtless

>>82072781
spelled my own name wrong lol

>>82072641
>>82072710
>>82072739
Since we're expanding to 8x8, I thought this could lead to some interesting art. love the industrial redesign of >>82072360 may the original Knight can be changed to Since we're expanding to 8x8, I thought this could lead to some interesting art. love the industrial redesign of >>82072360 may the original Knight can be changed to the Captain, or the head shot that anon is making would be even better actually.
If no one has done it yet could I submit the words?

>Knight-Captain Patryk
>power beginning to rival the ruling class
>Is around stone polyps more than anyone
>what is he becoming?
>"...But madame Tsarina, we wear no helms..."
>"No Helms! No Helms!"
(shameless King in Yellow reference lol)

My computer is beginning to chug, trying to handle image editing on something this large. I'll be slow. I finished the template for the 8x8, but now I need to do rearranging and that will take some time. I want to take [1,7], [2,7], and [2,8] for Father Oyster, The Eel Sire, and Auntie Angler.

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>>82072840
forgot the image again.

>>82072819
yeah I see what you're saying. I mean, their only goal is to experience the raw ecstasy of breaking stone. Other than that they are pretty thoughtless.
They could be not vying for power, and instead just controlled.
I just like the idea that they could be used as tools to eliminated political rivals etc.

>>82072769
>denies the world and the human experience within, gifted by god
>refuses to respect either or anything there in
DIRTY DUMB DEGENERATE SCUM
GOD HATES FAGS
GOD HATES FREE MASONS

>>82072864
this is blatant LARPing

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>>82072864

>>82072864
>>82072769
>>82072755
>>82072714
>>82072429
Please friends, we shouldn't argue about Christianity or real world faiths. This is a fictional setting, it doesn't have anything to do with real world Christianity. Stones & Fish have nothing to do with Jesus.

>>82072871
>t. Free-Masonic hermaphrodite

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>>82072781
>The virgin fish-monster
>became a monster of faith because of the gift of a sea god or whatever
>Body is a puppet for a god
>Wants the pain taken away
>Serving a god or something


>The chad Slab knight
>Became of a monster of pain(progress) by being a fucking monster already and crushing slabs
>Body is an engine for consuming divinity
>The pain brings clarity
>going to kill a god or something

>>82072864
Obvious bait but...
What about monasteries and hermit monks?
You either some kind of postprotestant sectarian or just LARPer.

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OH NO

>>82072849
Hey, could we have some seperated tiles for foreign (emphasis on foriegn) interests? Like distant countries that are only represented by traders and possible PC backstory choices? I don't want to be completely cliche, but Arab or Chinese themed nations. That sort of "foreign".

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>>82072950
We should probably try and fit it on the existing chart rather than space it out further for now. If we fill the 8x8 we can add a 'foreign interests' section.

>>82072915
>denying sin and temptation is the same as denying the body (of Christ) and the world (God given) and the experience and ability to walk amongst it (the Holy Spirit)
Oy.
>>82072891
>>82072891
>denies the Jesus fish
>denies the founder of the earthly church (saint peter)
AHHHHHHHH SAVE ME SAINT TERRY, THEY GLOW! GUIDE MY AUTOMOBILE!!!

>>82072972
Thanks. Just right now it feels a little insular, and could use a touch of "what's going on in the rest of the world".

>>82072950
put em in the compass like anything normal

>>82072948
The window has shifted and E X P A N D E D.

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I tried to make the Menhir, don't know if it's shit or not.
The Menhir
>Raised to honor the Monolith
>The true sons of stone
>What does the writing means?
>Not all were made by men

>>82072984
No, I don't think things should be mixed together like that. Unless it's a trader or foreigner archetype that ONLY occurs in Lapsaria.

>>82073026
That's the deal with these compasses though. Fitting weird stuff on there is part of the challenge. No extra spaces for weird shit.

>>82072984
>>82073026
>>82073048
Foreigners from the sea (what islanders they are) would be fish aligned. Foreigners from the rest of The Vast would be stone aligned.

>>82072948
You did have each entry in their own separate layer to make it easy to shuffle them around, right anon?

>>82073021
Looks great anon.

>>82073094
Yes I did, the problem is having ~100 layers is causing my computer to die.

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THE MONOLITH

>>82073110
Could you try >>82071817 's sugestion and see how the monlith would be being 2 tall but 1 wide? I think the original artist (>>82071863) can supply a different version to make it fit beter

>>82072910
fuckin lol
yes this, so much this

>>82073110
wasn't sure about the 4x4 but now that I see it, I am very much feeling it. Have a feeling this 8x8 is gonna fill up mighty nicely
Did you get a chance to see >>82072781 and
>>82072831 btw anon?

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>people just accept voyak shit as if it's fine
Why am I still trapped here?

>>82073129
>>82071863
Right now the monolith doesn't fit well into a 2x1, if we want to fit it it'll need a different version. I'll change it once I get it friend.

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>>82072950
You gotta be creative with foreign interference mang. We're drawing from Eastern Europe and Eurasia. Consider the Masovii Commonwealth, fits well into the ongoing theme, and relatively organic, aligning within the land and sea.
This leaves us with many individual options that are also organic, but we should be creative with this, so I'll put forward a few potential cultures present in the Tsardom.
>The Kossaki, a metis people borne between Lapisians and Durites, semi-nomadic and torn between loyalty to the Tsarina and their pastoral cousins
>The Hasyym, mountainers whose gods were abandoned to worship pure oil, feverishly loyal to the crown (who supply them oil)
>The Aemids, fringe folk from the edge of the empire, into the frozen fish and reindeer but have no idea what's going on
>The Yechods, Glassworkers and Merchant people, no real loyalty to anyone because everyone has (or is trying to) burned them
>The Goguryeo, strange foreigners from unimaginably far inland, who claim they have access to the sea but are probably lying so fuck them
>The Venits, vicious and psychotic salt-lickers who serve the crown by essentially robbing anyone on the river, very scary and just a little too scaly

>>82073172
>voyak
the Australian travel company?

>>82072831
>>82072781
I like it a great deal, the helms growing is what removes all thought. Only some of the knights (like Knight-Captain Patryk) has remained someone lucid with the helm on.

Since I am rearranging things I ask people be patient for a bit. Please see >>82072948 and make claims for where things should be moved to.

Also this process will be slow because GIMP is attempting to murder my computer.

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>>82073174
Would this work better? Less horizontal space wasted by the small wojak, more wojaks and they're smaller to make the Monolith seem bigger

>>82072948
"CAPRRI BAY GHOSTS" should be "CAPRI BAY GHOSTS"

>>82073222
Thank you.

>>82073220
Looks good, will switch it.

>>82073220
Gotta say the additional guys staring made me chuckle. Does work to make it bigger. Maybe make them grey so we can see them and designate them as Durits?

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>>82073220
Looks fantastic, it being really cramped in its squares make it looks way bigger.

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>>82073304
>>82073240
This better? I have no idea how to draw a hairknot

>>82073318
That works, will switch it out.

>>82073318
That's solid honestly. We're in the creation process, and since the Durits are a purely created group we're fleshing them out as we go.

To that end I propose another character.
>The Durit Salt Merchant
>Despised for his prices and deals with the Lapsarians
>His goods are too important people to kill him
>He owns the water forsaken by fish

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What about some sort of Opium-Coral Merchant, from the far south. Flaunts the line between Fish and Stone, but his wares build nothing but addiction. Can rarely be medicinal, if you can sort out the ill coloured coral from the good.

>>82073304
I did a Lapsarian Officer. Not really got any text or whatever, just felt like doing another military guy so that the infantryman doesn't feel lonely

>>82073444
>>82073373
I love both of these, sounds really cool.

>>82073446
I'll fit him in, can you post him?

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>>82073446
forgot the image

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>>82073192
I very happy! Glad it is fitting and I agree with your assertions.

Here is WIP for
>The Dust of Progress
>comes from breaking Slabs
>essential in all industrial processes
>great for trading for oil
>"why is this wall so fleshy?"

working on making it more dusty, unless you think this already works

>>82073373
>>82073444
Both of these are great, I might draw one of them.

Still wanna do a Durite shamanesse though

>>82073444

Sells fish AND stone
Maybe is both
Oil is his blood at this point

>>82073472
That's pretty good, but it could use more dust. I like it quite a lot. I am still rearranging and adding in new things (we have 4 new ones to add in).

We are currently at 40/64. Plus the reserved sea gods for 3 more.

>>82073472
The dust, the two knights, and knight captain will inhabit the top right corner probably.

>>82073486
Btw, I'd do the auntie, sire and father in dark grey instead of black. There's a LOT of references to the king, I would avoid making him seem like just one of four equals

>>82073175
>The Kossaki Brigand [Nominally Stone/Pain]
>Reviled by the Durits for pillaging their villages
>Reviled by the Lapisians for raiding their trade routes
>Only love is plunder

>The Hasyymian Sellsword [Fish/Pain]
>Hopeless addict of the Oils
>Relies on the crown and coin to feed the addiction
>Nothing left to lose
>'Nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Hasyymian

>Aemidic Shepherd [Stone/Faith]
>Has no idea what's going on in the south
>Worries for his clan
>Just wants to herd his stone-yaks for crying out-loud

>Yechodic Glass-worker [Nominally pain/fish]
>Believes in nothing, serves the Tsarina
>Just trying to survive the next pogrom
>Industrialists are strangling his ancient profession
>Might starve soon

>The Goguryeo Emissary [Stone/Pain]
>Really wishes the god-king hadn't sent him to this nightmare country
>No one believes Goguryeo is a real place
>Everyone thinks he's a durit, even though he can barely speak it
>Probably going to die in this Jem-forsaken country

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>>82073021
Changed the Menhir a bit.

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>>82073444
To be clear, you need to burn the corals in order to gain their effects - good or bad - as it is the light and colour that contain the effects. The result should be very similar to opium dens, full of smoke and strung out sufferers seeking private darkness to maximize the drug's potency.

>>82073509
Makes sense. I'll turn down their background.

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>>82073521
Shit, I posted the wrong version.

>>82073548
it looks great friend

The Oil & The Dust both seem to have enhancing properties. The Oil Soaked Savant given grace and beauty, the Slab Knights given clarity and strength.

>>82073583
Someone mentioned it upthread, but I'd suggest keeping things at least somewhat open to interpretation. What makes it on the chart should be internally consistent, but the external lore should be up to whoever takes it to do something with it.

>>82073318
They're wojacks, knowing how to draw was never a concern.

>>82073604
I agree with this sentiment. WE can try to build an internal logic for the isnide of the chart, and that can help us build new entries, but other than that leave the details as an exercise for the viewer

>>82073604
Ah, I didn't mean to say that's the only things they can give, since the Oil Tycoon got Vitality & Virility, and the factory drone got bloated & empty headed. I just like how they both have a substance that implies change.

>>82063556
True and based

>>82073624
>>82073604
I think it should depend on what's worth leaving open to interpretation and what NEEDS to be set in stone.

>>82073637
>set in stone
heh

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Still rearranging, I apologize for my slowness friends. If you want to claim a square somewhere in the big chart please feel free and other things can shift 1-2 squares around it.

Opposing centrists: The Stonefish vs The Fishstone

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>>82073523
>>82073444
Coral Peddler:

>From to the South across the sea
>Some corals delight
>Some corals destroy
>All of them change you
>Occasionally partakes of his supply

>>82074054
Where do you want him? Seems Pain, Neutral. Maybe [4.3] since he leans slightly Fish and slightly Pain for addiction?

>>82074054
Based.

>>82074054
Cool af

>>82074078
I kind of considered him between fish and stone, because corals are a kind of stone. Just a crumbling corrupted one. A false stone, if you will.

>>82074093
The problem is we are an even number so there is no true neutral, he had to slightly lean one direction or the other.

>>82074097
He'd lean Fish then.

>>82074078
Look at his necklace. He takes coral regularly, and he's starting to grow some stuff under those bandages. Definitely firmly fish.

t. artist

>>82074120
>>82074097
like, that's what I think the bloody bandages are with the rebel too. The process of growing scales I do not imagine to be pretty on the skin.

My computer is attempting to die on me, let's pray it can survive.

>>82073470
>the younger son of a good Lapsarian family
>believed in the righteousness of his cause once
>now he just wants to make it home alive
>has seen first-hand what the rebels do to captured soldiers

>>82074151
A little bit generic.

Alright I'm heading off to bed. If you want me to draw something, tag me and I'll decide on whether it sounds good.

In the queue:
Slab Captain
Maybe Durite Salt Merchant / Durite Shaman

>>82074151
I approve of it

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Thank you friends for your patience, still working. Nearly done with the rearranging, adding the new ones.

What should the salt merchant's theme/alignment be? What does the salt do exactly? How is it used?

An idea I had is maybe it is similar to snuff? You snort it? But maybe not.
>>82073470
If so, perhaps the Lapsarian Officer takes it to forget.

>>82074220
Maybe the more you take, the more you start dreaming of the King and it's court.

>>82074239
>salt is used to keep officers loyal
>if they overdose, they suddenly start blurting about "our true orders" and go ape shit

>>82074220
Placed under the tongue or put into food/drink. It brings pain, but pain brings clarity.

>>82074220
>>82074220
>>82074239
>>82074259
>>82074267
I'm gonna be boring but: Salt is valuable. The salt merchant may just sell salt.

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>>82074276
True, salt is valuable.

>>82074267
>crew sitting at dinner table
>captain suddenly pipes up "Please pass the salt"
>everyone winces

>>82074276
Perhaps mundane is good too, but there must be some special kind of salt that is worth talking about. If there isn't, then why bring up the salt merchant to begin with?

>>82074292
>Perhaps mundane is good too, but there must be some special kind of salt that is worth talking about. If there isn't, then why bring up the salt merchant to begin with?
because he has an interesting place in durite society. He is a class traitor, his role in the conflict could be one of spying, intruige, or plain resentment and revenge.

>>82074276
How about different types of salt? If you know who and how to ask, you can get the crazier shit.

"Salt" should be different from mundane salt, like the kind you need to live; just like how "Steel" is different from steel. Making all salt and all steel somehow magical might be a bit much.

>>82074300
I agree with this, you need some normal stuff like the smuggler or farmers to offset all the weird occult stuff

>>82074313
sure, perhaps a line like

>ask him about the special merchendice

>>82074332
This. Leave some opening for weirdness.

>>82074337
The best weirdness is the weirdness left open to interpretation, at the end of the day.

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>>82073192
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>>82073499
Probably upper left like you said, since it's bloody stones.
>The Dust of Progress
>comes from breaking Slabs
>essential in all industrial processes
>perfect trade for oil and coral
>"why is this wall so fleshy?"

I imagine it as sort of like spice from Dune, except that you need oil in tandem with it to power civilization
Also a bit of Onions Green in here since its made from people.
Hmmm, could there be secret faction ensuring that a certain % of the population becomes Slabs to ensure economic stability?
Monolith-based Religious propaganda?

>>82074001
also I wanna say you're doing a great job CrowdsourceAnon. seriously take your time because the project is slowly becoming a lot more work

>>82074448
congratulation, you invented oil: just add oil lol

I'm just foolin, you do you

>>82074448
Why yes, the Monolith is based.

>>82074448
You mean upper right?

>>82074448
>Hmmm, could there be secret faction ensuring that a certain % of the population becomes Slabs to ensure economic stability?
>Monolith-based Religious propaganda?
this goes like, in the exact opposite direction of the established lore

>>82074507
Kida. Sure, the Monolith itself wouldn't try to expand it's influence, and the followers of the Sea sure wouldn't want him to expand, but nothing stops a couple of industrialists using this to their advantage.

>>82074548
That's the Oil, though.

>>82074548
I guess, and nothing is stopping you from putting stuff like that in the compass, but having "stone worship is outlawed" as the inciting incident of the setting and then having it coexist with "stone worship is encouraged" to get the same result honestly feels like it cheapens the setting with redundencies.

>>82074548
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>>82074507
I gotta say that does bring Dust and the Monolith too close to King Fisher and the Oil. I want to try and keep them fairly separate.

Finally done rearranging, have 5 to add.

Does Stone even have a change against the Fish?
I've been looking over the lore that's been discussed thus far and it's pretty much Fish domination. What does Stone have going for it? Are the Delvers a big enough threat?

>>82075119
Well, it seems that the Fish is only one country, and Stone is the rest of the world.
So maybe there will be a world war where the masses of stone faithful will try to destroy the industrialized fish. Normally they would lose, but it's possible that the other peoples inside the country rebel at the same time and tear it apart from inside and out.

>>82075119
When the lore compass is updated next I'll probably write a stone entry or two to try swing the balance back a bit. I think its more that people have just had more fish ideas so far. I'd like to do more people infested by stone polyps

>>82075239
Is there any unique weapons that Stone has that can turn the tide?

>>82075119
>Does Stone even have a change against the Fish?
It isn't Stone or Fish that is changing the game, it is Pain, which unlike the greater elements is actively warping the world through trade and industry.

How about a foreign mercenary?
>Hired by the dignatary
>Veteran from old wars
>Joined to get paid, stayed to kill Lapsarians
>Maybe having too much fun