How do you portray the CIA in your games?
>>81767754nonexistent because my setting takes place 30 years before it’s creation
>>81767754They operate in a similar fashion to the Inquisition in 40k. They are a fairly loose organization who's only binding aspects are the varied traditions they have come up with and their over-arching mission to defend the nation from enemies within and without.They pull members from all stratums of society and otherwise exist in their own unique cells with the given areas they operate in. Their title is a Knight and aside from certain obligations to the Knight-Commander they operate almost entirely on their own and of their own volition and often utilizing their own self-acquired resources.
>>81767754They glow in the dark. You can see them if you're driving. You just run them over, that's what you do.
>>81767754secretly taken over by the Bene Gesserit
>>81767754As the racist anti American human trafficking citizen murdering organization they are.
>>81767754An essential and professional bureaucracy that nevertheless sometimes fucks things up catastrophically and acts on bad intel, and tends to vote Republican.
>>81767754Patriots who have to use immoral means to achieve the most good for their people.
>>81767754In a light blue polo, a slubby dark blue jacket, and khakis.
>>81767754They glow in the dark, for one
>>81767754closest thing would be like the MiB but with the occasional interference from over powered higher-ups like the Culture's Special Circumstances
Chaotic Evil of course
>>81767754My game is set in an alt-future Europe where the supernatural exists and monsters come from the moon. The deaths of the Apollo 11 mission's astronauts at the hands of Lunarian monsters was covered up by the US Government for the rest of the century and some change. This resulted in mass riots across America and arrest/death warrants for all alphabet agencies when the truth came out following the opening of the Wikileaks ransom file.So yeah, normally.
>>81769542>The deaths of the Apollo 11 mission's astronauts at the hands of Lunarian monsters was covered up by the US Governmentyou should watch Apollo 18 anon
>>81767754As the only based individuals responsible to making commies everywhere ree impotently by sabotaging their pathetic attempts to exist.
>>81767754It doesn't exist and law enforcement is very much in a sort of "wild west" era where private investigation organizations are used like cops would be today, while the actual cops are few and far between
As they are in real life but more competent
>>81767754When I'm playing FATAL, there's normally at least a three step process:1) Roll for Anal Circumference Potential.2) Roll for Penis Size.3) Roll for Insertion.
>>81767754very cute and sexy
>>81767754THey wear polo shirts and jeans and are always on the lookout for the masked man.
>>81768850>the most good for their people.Motherfucker, tons of crack flowing through every major city in the US did non good for any people. Fuck outta here with your apologia.
>>81772373I hafta point out, the Feds and the Spooks fucking HATE each other. Mostly because the Spooks got a few Feds killed in the Eighties when they were basically the American arm of various Latin American cocaine cartels.
>>81773994>CIA makes crack plentiful for the common man>faggy Americans still find a way to complain
>>81774132Yeah, because the glowies get all pissy if you actually try to enjoy the crack they give you.
>>81767754As inferior to NSA personnel in every way...just like in the real world. Former crypto-linguist and intel analyst, here. Once you work for one of the Agencies you realize they're just people...flesh and blood and flawed. Only here's my informed take. NSA- top tier. Recruits the smartest most hard working, diligent, and professional ppl. CIA likewise tries to recruit smart and diligent ppl, but they're too fucking cocksure, pretend jaded, and believe they're infallible and buy into their own false press. Arrogant assholes as time goes by. FBI-Fucking glorified cops who're given too much juice. Fucking need to be re-orged and broken up into a series of interstate criminal taskforces/ specialists. DEA-semi-useless fuckers. ATF- Need to all be told there is a mandatory ATF appreciation convention with hookers and blow that they must all attend (they'd believe this), then when they all show up they should all be declared a criminal gang, arrested and perp walk directly to a supermax facility.
>>81767754Are you fucking serious? Dude, you're doing it wrong. I play games to get away from shit like the CIA and modern world political garbage.
>>81767754Actually good at their job.>>81774014Huh really? That's actually interesting, please tell me more.
>>81774302The ATF always did strike me as the glue eaters of the letter orginazations, if only because they seem to have an astounding level of ignorance over the shit they're in charge of policing. Like if someone were to put the agricultural board of a state in charge of determining if a roller coaster was safe and structurally sound or not Yes this actually happenedThe DEA being semi useless really fits too since like, the majority of their time seems to be spent on a drug that's not even illegal in every state anymore. Complete fucking waste of time
>>81767754I run DG.It depends on the player character, one of them is a guy who largely wants to do good things, but is extremely paranoid and willing to do shady things.The other disappears for 1/2 to 2/3 of a session, and has probably done some really fucked up shit offscreen to help them accomplish their goal. So far she has>Pulled NSA data on 60+ americans to see who had visited a location>Then later organized a hit squad of 12 agents with zero accountability to go take out the rest of these agents that weren't at the ceremony. This was at least 30 people, staging accidents or suicides, poisonings or long-term health conditions, all under the cover of night.The reason she isn't there for most of the session was she misread her class days when signing up and isn't able to make it until 1/2 to 2/3 of a session. She's made it from the start for a few. She's VERY good with people but also always the first to reach for a silenced pistol or do some fucked up shit like planting drugs on someone. Had a hilariously botched B&E to plant drugs on a pastor a while back.
>>81767754every time I've included an intelligence agency or crime ring in my settings, my players have been completely oblivious to the threat, and haven't even come close to discovering even a small part of it>players piss off the local mafia don>"oh, this shady local lawyer figured out who we are, and suddenly seems eager to set up a meeting with the don so we can apologize!">"let's do it guys!"they came very close to being godfather'd and only escaped because their own incompetence saved them
>>81767754That's the neat part.I don't.I use KGB or Gestapo as a base, I don't want sandniggers using bombs I gave them by not aknowledging possible consequences.
>>81774416Why would you shoot a man after throwing him out of a plane?
>>81774416>Throw guy down a plane, death ensured>Shoot guy in the head anywayWhat anime is this?
>>81767754stupid golem chairsurfers that exist to be mangled by players and enemies alike
>>81774456Because it's fucking cool that's why.
>>81774368ATF are a fuck bunch of bone stupid csers. If it were kindergarten...you know the kids that sit drooling and eating paste and their own snot....well the atf aspire to be that kid...instead they're the developmentally disabled ones that were deemed too potentially violent for genpop with the normal kids and instead entertain themselves with smearing their feces on the walls in an outbuilding.
>>81767754Wait a minute, that's no CIA agent!
>>81774456>At least you can talk!
>>81774456>>81774457>What anime is this?The Wings of a Boy that Killed Adolescence...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWz2BWGxqMI
Largely dissolved as a larger organization after the US fell into anarchy as the virus first killed off 70% of everyone, and the drones raised on Hollywood entertainment then proceeded to raid and pillage each other despite there being an overabundance of resources already. The remaining 2-3% of the original population now live in a Mad Max world and the CIA is just another biker gang.
>>81774456>Why would you shoot a man after throwing him out of a plane?by agencyNSA- to be thoroughCIA cause we're awesome, bitch, whose gonna say we can't huh?FBI Sorry, sorry, soooory. Misfire! Still getting used to carrying a sidearm.DEA I thought I smelled weed on him! Shit! Should I not have done that?ATF: Shit, I hit him? fuck I was trying to hit his unarmed wife and child. This won't affect my position as a sniper right?
>>81774416I find it more hilarious they made that ramp with a table fastened to it just for the purpose of throwing people off. I mean you can't really load/unload anything with that table in the middle.
>>81773994I'm sorry you seem to be confusing inner city scum with actual people/Americans.
>>81767754I want to rape the smug off that alpaca
>>81774505>redditbuddyAnd respect for you discarded.
>>81774132Because 1. They kept the pure shit for themselves2. They want to punish you for using itIt's like how "terrorists" have a right to bear arms because the CIA will supply them but if a citizen tries to exercise his second amendment rights and right to privacy he gets Ruby Ridged for the ATF's pleasure.
>>81772373>tfw no boomer glowie gf who shitposts for a living
>>81767754My PCs work for the magical UN CIAIt's full of conspiracies and shitty rogue agents
>>81775045Disliking popular things makes you neither interesting nor intelligent.
>>81775190I don't dislike it because it's popular, I dislike it because it's shit and spammed everywhere by mentally stunted pseudointellectuals, much like Rick and Morty, Big Bang Theory, and other things that sell the idea of being cleverly subversive without actually being clever or subversive.
>>81775008Probably fine for a non-combat transport plane, albeit inconvenient. People can just walk past the table.
>>81774302So, you're saying the DHS is the most morally culpable of the lot for doing nothing to stop the rest- and thus the biggest hvt. Thanks, it's always difficult to pick out the biggest head of the hydra, one might mistakenly target the irs.
>>81775212>pseudointellectualNigger, it's memes and titty jokes
>>81774494that fuckin hitachi is probably the biggest threat in the whole cage
>>81775212Look I'm not fond of baalsackbuddy either, but what the fuck are you talking about? What I've seen of his humor is lowbrow as hell
>>81775268It's shit attempts at subversive humor + unfunny titty jokes.
>>81767754MiB who like to pretend they know everything and are in complete control but in reality are complete schizos who've lost track of all their shit
>>81775415You can have lowbrow attempts at being clever, i.e. Rick and Morty.
>>81775226How is that fine? What would be the intended purpose of having that table fastened there, assuming it's totally not for surprise kills.
>>81767754In front of the plane waiting
>>81767754Haha imagine being trapped with her in an abandoned rundown church in the Ukrainian countryside waiting for your respective evacs and she just goes off on an insane pseudo-philosophical schizo rant that only barely relate to anything cohesive if you squint a little
>>81772373>tfw no glowienigress gfI feel pity for the agents stuck in dead-end jobs with us here. They must really hate us and the place.
>>81775439It's vulgar humor, dead simple.
>>81767754Light blue polos and kaki pants, they fly to remote places to pick up international criminals
>>81775691>what if HOT GORL was horny and FAT NERD kept rejecting her advances??!It's literally the most basic bitch comedy through subversion out there. Even more basic since he stole the foundation for every single punchline he draws from a nearly decade old gag manga one-off by zun.
>>81767754My "every conspiracy ever is probably true" setting has the CIA as the hilariously bumbling outfit who have only managed to fool the public into thinking they're in charge by coincidence and the real people in charge cleaning up after them.I felt things were getting a bit too real so I added a bit of humor.
>>81775975that there's anyone to clean up after them?
>>81775508>What would be the intended purpose of having that table fastened therethey want a table in their cargo plane, and if it isn't fastened to the body of the plane it'll get knocked around
>>81767754Like those crazy ladies who write love letters to mass murderers, only that they are in charge.
>>81776029So you fasten it to the ramp of all places? Right.
>>81775989Basically.I introduced my players veeeeery slowly to the supernatural and all the other goings on. So it was great fun when they were still scared shitless of the alphabets to have an agency without an official name land on scene and treat the CIA like a big dumb guard dog that caught something it couldn't handle.I have all my alphabet boys be very easy to spot. To the point when I say someone is wearing khakis and a watch my players already know it's a glowie. The guys above them could be anybody.
>>81767754Silver Circle. One of the 'lost' towers of magic which supposedly fell to infighting, but in reality simply wiped it's existence from every record they could find and went underground to continue their task of making sure that certain artifacts don't fall into the wrong hands.Basically a gang of highly trained assholes with a very specific agenda who are accountable to effectively nobody and barely regard murder as a crime as long as it was committed in the course of their task. As such, they don't have many friends, but what they do have is practically infinite funding, which opens doors nonetheless.They're also fluorescent under UV lighting due to a mental/physical augmentation tonic they take.
>>81767754He has intimidating posture and is babe for enemies of the state
>>81776397Bane, I meant bane!!!
>>81767754I don't, cause I'm not a Yank nor have any other reason to insert it or stand-ins
>>81775291Nah, that's a spec ops grade T-Doll. That's, judging by the image, gone loco. That's scary. she wants to be human and ends up betraying her handler and team to achieve her dream
>>81767754Terrorism, fear mongering and lying are common practices
>>81767846What? How can you play before the world was created?
>>81768850That praise is pretty (((glowing))).
>>81774456Gotta make sure he doesn't survive if he lands on something soft.
>>81776397>>81776416Say what you want but the strange cat and mouse game they play with the enemies of the state makes more sense in the light of your original statement.
>>81767754As a self-sustaining conspiracy that keeps fighting both the remnants of the Plutocracy which it once claimed to serve and the Thaumaturgic World Government that ousted its former lords. The only thing motivating its ancient, enigmatic masters is a lust for absolute power so unquenchable that it’s the only thing keeping them going despite the fact that they have been reduced to little more than disembodied central nervous systems kept alive by a combination of esoteric enchantments and advanced machinery. Its agents consists of a loyalist inner circle who relay the masters’ orders onto the rank and file, who in turn have been brainwashed, coerced or manipulated into working for the organization. In reality, the CIA of the 23rd century has been subverted by STYGIUS, a renegade AI who was intended to be the ultimate weapon against the nascent T.W.G., but who turned on his masters and disabled their life support systems. Since then, it has been working on a plan to exterminate what remains of humanity.
>>81774014that's because, at least on paper, the Feds are cops and the CIA is a paramilitary organisation
>>81774302Sounds like the NERD got bullied by the chads with guns and badges.
>>81774368Agricultural boards runs the state fairs.In most states, without an amusement park, the only exposure to roller coasters would be a state fair.Why is this a bad idea? It's not like the board members themselves are inspecting it. They are going to hire someone to do it.> tldrYou are a fucking idiot
>>81767754Purely as villainous and self-serving. They, along with essentially all other "intelligence service" people are essentially all at the height of inhuman cruelty and sadism in my games.
>>81774014Mostly because they compete for slices form the same pie of governmental budget.It's a lot like Army vs Navy vs Marines vs Chair Force vs Coast Guard.
>>81767846It's "its" you fucking moutherbreather. You're a grown ass adult, learn the difference between its and it's already, holy shit.>>81776190You too you dumb cunt. "It's" is a contraction of "it is," what is so hard to understand about that? Can you not read? Can you not comprehend monosyllabic words that are taught in kindergarten? Off yourself, genuinely.
>>81775023>Dumbass ruralfag doesn't know who's supplying all the meth in the region
>>81779216Dude... nobody bullies the NSA. Nobody. Some FBI idiots tried to drop in one one of our ops once when I was working. Our lt col in charge picked up the phone, contacted Deputy DIRNSA. That shit got settled fast. It ended with the lead agent being walked out by mps, and us being back on ops within 45 minutes. CIA is smart enough to know not to mess with NSA ops and personnel. I've heard tell of situations when the CIA did try to horn in on an NSA op and they were told that if they continued to persist,that the NSA security staff (military security) would be cleared to shoot them. This was not flexing, this is simply apparently how they operated. Seriously man, NSA does not fuck around, it's all business for them.
>>81779216Don’t you have some begging to do, Chipman?I hope you get Ruby Ridge’d.
>>81775262Can't comment on that. When I was in that field the DHS didn't exist yet. But if you're asking my personal opinion about DHS. They're on the same footing at ATF in my opinion. They're thugs at best and mouthbreaking paste eaters as well. Seriously, look at the caliber of their staff and try to say "yep, there go america's best and brightest" with a straight face. If you try that with NSA or CIA you can generally feel that you'll hit some gold nuggets there at least occasionally. But AFT or DHS? newp. As for moral responsibility. That's part of why I left the intel field. I was making calls and briefing people in positions of authority to do some pretty morally questionable things. I did not care for the person it was turning me into, so I left. Seriously, not blowing smoke here, you start viewing decisions about things in terms of how it will affect national interests and stop looking at it in terms of "how many people will get hurt as a result of this" You gotta have a certain level of icewater in your veins to keep working in that field. Some of the scariest mfs I've ever met were analysts for NSA. They're smart and eventually just lack consciences anymore. Pure calculation machines.
>>81779665>tfw alphabet agencies care about grammarbased
>>81781126Well yeah. If you got a 4 year degree and got stuck looking at 4chan all day wouldn't you try to educate the locals every now and then?
>>81780954*shakes head* don't worry man, he's an idiot. Thanks for the comment there but seriously, people like that, who try to play the "nerd" and "chad" thing don't understand the first thing about real life out there. I can tell you first hand, Agency staff who get physical or try to shove weight around on staff from other Agencies, they get fired or sent to shithole assignments till they adjust their attitude if they've got a reasonable chance of remediation. Writeoffs get tossed. That's why you don't see interagency turf wars very often.
>>81781064at=as They're on the same footing as ATF. Fuck I hate that I can't edit after posting here.
>>81781064>Some of the scariest mfs I've ever met were analysts for NSA.okay keep going time for greentext anon
>>81781184not the guy who responded, but yeah, I feel the same. Basic fucking English grammar, do you know it? It's frustrating for me too at times.
>>81781064Have you ever waterboarded anybody, Mr. A?
>>81781064They literally try to egg on mass shooters lmao, what is the positive outcome from that?
>>81781327Nope. That sort of shit is pointless. I'm not saying the certain methods don't work at getting answers, it's just now you have to verify every answer they give. In the right instance you can get key info, but you can't trust that they aren't lying to make it stop. Everything said is then suspect.
>>81767754As brutish, dim-witted, morally irredeemable drone-like enforcers of the totalitarian dystopian government for the players to guiltlessly slaughter by the dozens. As it should be
>>81781353The NSA has no involvment in that sort of shit. All the egging on is FBI, ATF, and Cops generally, and I've made clear my opinion of those yahoos already.
>>81781241I wish. Thing is, most of that shit results in national policy decisions. It doesn't look all flashy or anything. It's the long term affects that those policy decisions create. Stuff like Chechnya. That's a good example. Look at our current stance on the Ukraine. We're all threatening to the Russians when they talk about invading the Ukraine right? But where was that same bluster when they went in full force into Chechnya? NSA theoretically might have advised us to stay the fuck out of that for very very specific reasons. If you look at what followed that invasion, you'll see why an analyst might have guided that policy. It did massive damage to Russian military might and international credibility for decades, at no cost to the US.
>>81779665>>81781126>>81781184>>81781267I'm ESL and every time someone uses 'should of' it really makes me grind my teeth kek
>>81780918>>81774302>agencies are just flesh and blood and flawed>except for the one I was a part of, it was ROCK HARD 24/7 AND EVERYONE RESPECTED US RAWRChrist I hate glowies so fucking much.
>>81781184And yet they can't even spell mouthbreather or remember the ATF's initials consistently.
>>81781126Glowniggers can't spell and I'm not one of them.
>>81781509could you describe your daily routine as an analyst? what kind of office? security measures? discussions with the colleagues at the coffee machine?i'm looking for small details to flesh out a corporate/administration setting
>>81774456He had a lot of loyalty for a hired gun.
>>81781625this shit pisses me off toothis is now a grammar thread
>>81781184>>81779665god damn I hate grammar nazi faggots like you
>>81781873we hate you more
>>81767754A nationless international rent-a-cop organization with palpable corruption running through its many wings. Resemble Stazi/Gestapo/KGB in most instances but not!Waco is a regular occurrence on their behalf, including all the press that followed that. They're also furries. In my recent implementation of them, they lured the players into joining a PMC that was actually a false flag terrorist cell. Easy enough to say, the realization and then undeniable justification for chasing after any Fed in sight left my players elated.
>>81767754Definitely not hot anime bitches.
>>81767754My party are agents of our setting’s MiB, which the public assumes is a cover for CIA stuff rather than paranormal stuff, but we do both. In the span of three missions we’ve unintentionally lived up to the stereotype by way of accidental false-flag terrorist attacks, political assassination, wiping out a primitive tribe for the sake of imperialist capitalism, drug dealing, and stock market manipulation.
>>81774416What is really retarded is that in this anime, she's fucking 19 years old. Japan is really dumb about character ages.
>>81786313Edward Theblackprince was 16 at Crecy. In fact, modern viewers' inability to get anything done until they're 40 is the reason they think protagonists should all be equally old and worn out, when in fact, characters in general should be much younger.
>>81786577Is this why you play as a 15 years old prodigy with strange hair color and 3 years of field experience under his belt?
Should the CIA always be in charge?
>>81768850Your glow is showing, “anon”.
>>81779663>puddle pirates ever doing anything of noteKek.
>>81779665relax, its not a big deal :)
>>81775682You call one officer, not agent. Case officer preferably.
Am I the only one with a slight suspicion that there are actual glowies in here? Not the posturing ones, but the subtle ones.
>>81787105There are obviously glowies here
>>81774055Kind of a cool idea if the CIA like people in a setting augmented themselves with supernatural powers.>>81767754>>81768328>>81772373>>81774416>>81774494>>81774505>>81775663>>81775882Pic related.
>>81787105I doubt that there are any actively-posting glowies ITT. The thread itself is probably not even being actively monitored.But it is pretty likely that all information relating to this thread will be archived on a server somewhere in case it becomes useful later.
>>81787376Boyish Trap > Draw a girl, call it a boy
>>81774456He's a big guy
>>81781741First thing most analyst work is done in a SCIF. read up on what a SCIF is.All entrances are guarded, and all comings and goings are monitored closely. SCIFs have a vault or vaults where all classified docs are kept and are checked in/out. All door have coded locks. You have to have need to know to know what the code combos are to even get in, and they change frequently. So even if you have access to the scif 99% of the building will be inaccessible. Even higher up won't access more than a fraction of the facility. Alarms everywhere on every door. No door labels. Yes there are armed patrols everywhere. No outside facing windows, or they're super thick, textured, and frosted glass. All computers and equipment are TEMPEST shielded. Coffee machine discussions aren't really a thing because its not a corporate type environment. Yes there are coffee machines but you don't have public break areas cept a cafeteria. Noone talks work in those areas because your work information is likey ts sci codeword (top secret sensitive compartmented information with a codeword or words. stuff like umbra, talent keyhole, cosmic bohemian, that sort of thing.) Discussion w colleagues are usually confined to you ops floor in an open office floor pit type environment. You have your station with all your equipment in front of you with your back to the open floor area for your project team. Team lead is usually in the center. Anyone can call a huddle and all needed analysts engage on the open floor area. Plus there's usually a daily standup meeting where everyone on your analyst team discusses what they're working on and progress.
>>81787376>if you don't like basic bitch coom """humor""" then you MUST love basic bitch babby's first trapWhy are coomfags so defensive? Is it because they have no taste.>>81787564Pic not related, I presume?
>>81767754good guys who keep the world safe, i know, i know but it is a fantasy world after all.
>>81787764Ummm...that's pretty specific.>>81787406I think you might be wrong. There's some genuine obscure stuff.
>>81788379Yeah, but it's all passive and nonthreatening information that's largely already public, if not frequently talked-about.They'd need a lot more agents if they were monitoring every place where discussion of this sort happened.
>>81781509>the UkraineWhy are you using outdated terminology?
>>81788457I was asked for daily routine stuff.>what kind of office? security measures? discussions with the colleagues at the coffee machine?ppl don't get that it doesn't fit the corporate/admin model. It isn't cubical land. You go in a scif and day 1 a senior crypto or analyst or whatever meets you at the security checkpoint and they badge you in and take you to your ops room where you'll be working with your team. You'll more than likely see ppl you already know because you've been training at Goodfellow, or DLI, or Lackland or The Presideo, or any number of places together. Its a small community. They give you the newst combo to get into that room and anyothers you need and you memorize them or you don't get in. The ops floor is basically a big room with a cabled underfloor...no wifi for computers, everything is grounded and shielded cat 6 and up or fiber. Can't discuss os on computers but lets just say I hope you like unix. Anyway, ops floor is broken up into teams who cluster together, usually by geographic region of experience or task type. There is not a room for shooting the shit like a corporate breakroom. Noone stands around the watercooler and gossips about GoT or shit like that. Yeah we might talk shit to each other in standup (a team meeting at start or mid-day where you all roll your chairs over together and everyone on your team or subteam goes around the circle and talks about their current work and bounce ideas off each other or resources) It's all pretty serious and treated like such. You would also throw out theories for events that are developing in your area and see if the other analysts call bullshit on them and tear them down, or you might just have your whole team pivot and start researching your theory because its got legs and its interesting. but yeah, you work in that opsroom and the rest of the facility other than the vault might remain a total mystery because you don't need to know what's happening in those other rooms
>>81767754big guys......for you
>>81789166Because that's who I was taught to refer to it by Gozpodine Lebadev at DLI. For reference he was a Russian language instructor there and former Captain in the Black Sea fleet and from The Ukraine. His word on what the correct terminology is, seems pretty definitive to me.
>>81789587that's who=that's how
>>81767754lot of loyalty for a hired gun
>>81774505Lady Une was supposed to be 19 years old? What the fuck? I assumed everyone who wasn't the Gundam pilots and Release was at least in their mid 20s.
>>81779663Supposedly the CIA should have NOTHING to do with domestic affairs, and the fbi shouldn’t fuck around in other countries.In the feds defense their breaking of that rule is almost non existent and well explained while the cia just takes big kosher shits all over everything.
>>81789719All anime characters are teenagers until proven otherwise
>>81780918Because the NSA is the final form of the fbi>cia rootless globohomo evolution.They overtly have no qualms selling out Americans and their information to foreign powers for the slightest benefit.
>>81789794Unless they look 12 or younger, then they're assumed to be 200+ years old.
>>81787764thank you for your time anonsounds really soul-crushing indeedi hope you won't get disappeared by men in black in an unmarked van for this ^_^
>>81789501are these analysts highly specialized? or do they just plow through anything they might find interesting and see what sticks? are outside specialists involved sometimes?
>>81790472>outside specialistsreminds me that in France the military was recently recruiting sci-fi authors for a think tanksounds comfy af
>>81767754Running a sci-fi game, so no CIA, but the Office for Internal Security of the local hegemon power is the closest thing. They spy on everything and everyone, have deep pockets to exercise soft power with and if that proves insufficient to deal with a situation they have operators operating, stone cold motherfuckers with the best tech and training. Think the CIA boys from Sicario but with stealth gunships and power armor. They are spooky as fuck and you don't ever want to hear from them.
>>81786577>Edward TheblackprinceAnd while nominally in command of the right flank, he was just being present and observing in order to learn - Thomas de Beauchamp, Lord of Warwick, was actually commanding the flank.Because Edward III was not a retard willing to actually give the command of a key part of his forces in a key battle to a kid who literally never commanded anything prior to that.
>>81767754How might they operate in an urban fantasy and/or science fiction Cold War?
>>81780918the NSA and CIA fight over shit all the time but it's really calmed down in the last decade or so as the CIA has been forced back into proper international espionage instead of fucking around trying to root out terrorists at home and stepping on NSA/FBI toes.
>>81767754Run by MJ-12. You can't trust them. If someone from the CIA comes around your station asking about the Mosquito project, you're already fucked.
>>81775045>muh reddit boogeyman You are ill, I recommend suicide.
>>81786577>>81790589While true, that doesn't undercut that at age 16 Edward was considered of appropriate age to learn the bloody art of war. Though an appropriate (but also more exceptional) example is Alexander. He finished his tutelage under Aristotle by age 16, commanded the cavalry and led an instrumental breakthrough against the Sacred Band of Thebes at age 18 and at the age of 22 he scored his first victory against the Persians at the Battle of Granicus. For a long time you were considered an adult somewhere between the age of 12 and 16, adolescence as we know it today wasn't a thing to pre-modern peoples (though they certainly understood that you weren't "fully grown" just yet, which is why the Athenians and Romans only fully conferred the rights of an adult to those who had reached the age of 20 and 25 respectively and neurologically speaking the Romans were right and picking the age of 18 today is arbitrary bullshit).
>>81794040Alexander was always surrounded by men older and wiser than him. Tutors, generals, officers, soldiers. His first victory almost became his first defeat but he relented and followed advice of his generals.
>>81794144True, but to be fair very few great leaders aren't surrounded by great men. You can go as far as to pin all of Justinian's achievements on his ability to surround himself with the hypercompetent, up to and including his w*fe.
>>81793704>Giving MJ-12 shit for all the evil bullshit the spooks get up to. Seriously, leave the lizards out of this, they've been harmless since the invention of the horror movie.
>>81790472Depends on what you mean by highly specialized. In general, yes, it's not entirely useful to train someone to be an analyst of an area in which they don't have expertise, which necessitates specialization. If a team needs someone with knowledge of another area they then recruit that person from another team or put a call out on cross team chatter. For example, during gulf operations during desert storm, Iraqi pilots would seemingly randomly punch out of their aircraft (eject) for no apparent reason. Those teams which were made up of persian farsi and other arabic linguists and analysts recruited from Russian linguist and analyst teams to figure out why. Analysts and Crypto linguists have to be pretty fluent in their area of knowledge, depending on what they do. But there's a lot of cross over between areas of knowledge.
>>81794413why did these pilots randomly eject?
>>81790322It's not that it's soul crushing in the least. It's not. If you're a good analyst, meaning skillful, insightful, and genuinely interested in what you're doing, it's highly rewarding. I never dreaded coming to work a single day. I never felt less than valued and appreciated. I always felt like I was doing a needful thing and was respected and valued by my peers. At one point I was assigned to help a Chief Master Sargent who was cross training out of his field into intelligence in the USAF and I was a lowly e-5 at the time. I worked with a bunch of GS-13s and 14's doing analyst work as well. I was even by name requested for the position I was in. So people saw your work, recognized expertise and dedication. And no, they don't do stuff like that. Here's the thing, intel work sounds glamorous and mysterious... and it's not. A lot of it is very pedestrian and even boring to most people. We joked that stuff that was considered TS was on CNN on a daily basis. The difference was, CNN doesn't have to cite sources and protect them. People hearing NSA confirm something reveals how we know something to be true. What our capabilities are. You never reveal your capabilities to your potential enemies. That's a sure fire way to have them plug holes in their information apparatus. Or if you confirm some piece of disinformation, then you reveal that you might only have one source in that area and it's a compromised one, and they can feed you incorrect data through that source.
>>81794783>Can't discuss.Why not?
>>81781702There's a classic joke Russians tell about the KGB that you might enjoy as reapplied to the CIA:The CIA is hiring new staff, and three applicants come in to be interviewed for positions. The first enters the interview room and the interviewer asks him only one question: What is two plus two? "Three" the applicant says at once."That's not quite correct," says the interviewer. "Would you care to try again?" The applicant screws up his face in deep concentration and then repeats "Three.""No, that's still not it," says the interviewer. "Give it one more attempt." After a herculean application of thought, the applicant repeats one more time "Three." The interviewer dismisses the applicant and writes on his application "Ignorant but persistent: hired."Then the second man is called in. Again the interviewer asks: What is two plus two? The second applicant gives it some thought and answers "three.""That isn't quite correct," says the interviewer. "Would you care to try again?" The applicant mulls it over again, taking much longer this time. "Five," he says at last."No, that's still not it," the interviewer says. "Give it one more attempt." The applicant tilts his head and peers off into space, wiggling his fingers in deep cogitation. Finally he responds "Seven."The interviewer dismisses the second man also and writes on his application "Ignorant but imaginative: hired."Finally the third man is called in. As before the interviewer asks the same question: What is two plus two?"Four, of course," answers the applicant. The interviewer thanks him and dismisses him at once, and writes on his application "Educated: keep under surveillance."
>>81798137Because discussing what we know about why could reveal any numbers of things. For example, if I were to say, "we listened to the flight comms of the pilots" it would indicate that we both had broken the encryption used for their encrypted flight comms and which models of planes we had broken it for and in what generation of air craft. Which could be used to identify where they needed to upgrade. Or if I were to say that we had readings from their in flight diagnostic telemetry, that would indicate that we had broken the encryption for that, and what generations of that technology. If it was something that the pilots did, then how did we know what that was, that would indicate we have knowledge of their training and proceedures or where the flaws in that training were. There are a multitude of reasons. You have to think asymetrically, you look at what can be determined from the conclusions reached. What were the pilots in the planes doing at the time, what variety of air craft were in use. Were they current generation planes or old? For example if they were mig-29' or Su-27's and they were lawn darting into the desert floor for some reason, that's some big fucking price tags there, and if it's happening there, could that behavior be able to be repeated by making pilots of other nations do something similar? Is it a design flaw in the aircraft that your opponents don't know about and you just happen to discover? Would you want to give up that advantage in non wartime when you could use it to your nation's advantage later? Could also be that this is all a load of horse shit and I'm making it up (I'm not) to create disinformation. There are lots of reasons that don't occur to a civilian for a reason... because you're not trained to.
>>81801961Just for context, let me give you a taste of the training for a military crypto for first hand experience. Most of the civillian hires come from military background. So a crypto is a good example. So you take your ASVAB (armed service vocational aptitude battery) you must score top 2%, From that you then take a test called the DLAB (defense language aptitude battery) from which you must score in the top 5-10% nationally. That qualifies you for DLI (defense language institute) Now, everyone that gets in there must of course complete boot, and you must pass a background check that takes literally 6 months to a year to complete. Meanwhile you're taking DLI language classes which are 8 hours a day, 5 days a week with about 4 hours of sleep a day and massive homework. It's fucking brutal. It lasts 48 weeks for Russian by way of example. 56 weeks for persian farsi plus additional time for a dialect. By way of example of intensity, you cover the entire curriculum of a 4 year BA degree in that target language in your first 14-18 weeks.The "rockout" (failure) rate at DLI when I was in, was right around 70-80% Meaning out of a class of 10 people 2-3 would graduate. Everyone in those classes are very smart people in general, all looking for adventure. Everyone is highly motivated. And still 80% fail. Once you get through that, you then go to intel training at another set of duty posts, that usually lasts 20-33 more weeks. again 8 hours a day plus lots of homework. Then you get your first duty station and you START to learn how to apply some of what you've learnt, and have to play catch up to actually get more training and more instruction 1 on 1 with senior cryptos and analysts that have been doing their jobs for years. And then you're an apprentice. It takes a minimum of a year on the job before you're halfway good unless you're a massive prodigy among prodigies. It's a very very very competitive and nose to the grindstone job. But you get to do and see cool shit.
>>81802152Now, from those people that complete all that. NSA will then try to recruit you to fill jobs for analysts, linguists, code breakers, etc. CIA and their lot, they hit up law enforcement, NSA's rejects (it's a serious no no to poach on rival agencies turf) college campuses, etc. So they get a very different set of people. NSA's people are generally more structured and orderly, more military. CIA are more.... eclectic.
>>81786674No, this is why I play Edward the Black Prince, always
>>81775045>I dislike something that is popular but also it is popular to hate on insuring that I will be le hecking epic le rebel but also I won't have to worry about not fitting into the hivemind.The gall to call something reddit while being yourself reddit incarnate.
I'm always torn on whether or not my government paranormal control agency should use magic. Letting them use it almost makes them feel like another group of cultists, but also there's something appealing about the idea that the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a magic wand is a good guy with a magic wand.
>>81802642They employ magitek gadgets, but hire subcontractors for any spells or large-scale rituals.That way they don't put any of their own people at risk and can more easily keep tabs on "sanctioned" mages.
>>81767754Does anyone have any good resources on the projects the CIA did with ESP during the Cold War?
>>81802796Like most CIA projects not related to cocaine, there was a loooooot of LSD involved. Dump trucks full to the brim with it constantly in and out of Langley.
>>81767754Remember always kill spooks
>>81789587So you're clinging to twenty year old terminology because that's what your instructor told you? Though I strongly doubt he taught you to specifically refer to the country that way, and instead you're just mimicking his choice of words. Even then, his word on the terminology is suspect because, as you say, he was a captain in the Black Sea fleet. As far as I am aware, the only 'Black Sea fleet' is a Russian naval organization, and a Russian military organization would, it seems a reasonable assumption, use the Russian language. All in all seems a highly questionable choice to use the Russian way of referring to a country that isn't Russia, when you aren't in the context of Russians talking about said country.
>>81774505>>81774416Any more art of (busty) military officer girls with glasses and their hair up? Preferably blondes. Need for reasons.
>>81769608underrated movie, one of my favorite 'found footage' films
>>81802642Cult is a political term to marginalize those outside of power, so G-Man mages would be kosher.
>>81802284On all levels except physical you're Edward the Black Prince?
>>81767754Well, first of all, they all glow in the dark.Second, they're all niggers.
>>81803925Even if a G-Man religion was officially sanctioned, I would still expect it to be a cult in the technical sense of having successive mysteries into which practitioners must be initiated, rather than being open in structure and doctrine.
>>81804276I would assume the actual CIA is already like that with many nested spheres getting more arcane the closer you get to the center.
>>81804295Yeah, exactly--that's why I think it's the perfect fit. With the addition of the supernatural, your security clearance and your initiation into the mysteries of your cult go hand in hand.
>>81767754They glow in the dark.
>>81803534Question:Are you Ukrainian? He was, and back then it wasn't Russia, the whole thing was the Union of soviet socialist republics. He was born and raised in the Ukraine, and insisted we call it the Ukraine. I'm curious, why are you getting so worked up? Are you autistic and is it triggering you? Do you get similarly triggered when someone says The United States of America, or The virgin Islands, or The Gold Coast,or The Congo or the Hawaiian Islands or The canary Islands? If so, I'm sorry for triggering your autism anon, but some people seem to prefer to use specific naming conventions and I'm simply show my deep respect I still have for him by referring to it the way he taught me to. Do you have some sort of aversion to me showing him respect, anon? Do you have some sort of deficiency in your basic character that renders you incapable of civility?
>>81767754Grey souled bearucrats who are frequently comically incompetent, punctuated by acts of self righteous cruelty.
>>81804760>Are you Ukrainian?Yes>back then it wasn't Russia, the whole thing was the Union of soviet socialist republics.That, certainly, is my mistake. I think my point still stands, despite it.>he insisted we call it the UkraineI'll accept correction on that assumption.>I'm curious, why are you getting so worked up?You're reading too much into it.>Are you autisticpic related>some people seem to prefer to use specific naming conventionsYes, they do. And they prefer Ukraine without the article.>Do you have some sort of aversion to me showing him respect, anon?I have an aversion to supposed intelligence community, or adjacent, people using outdated terms because it calls into question their ability to incorporate new knowledge and question previously held assumptions. I have an aversion to blindly following what a teacher tells me in the face of more recent information, regardless of personal respect.You should interrogate your assumptions more often.
>>81805011>acting all condescending while cherry picking from one of the most interesting contribution to the board i've seen in months nice autism anon
>>81801961>>81802152hey, NSA anon, if you don't mind me asking, what's your personal outlook on today's geopolitics?what did you think about this whole Russian hackers election thingy for instance? what do you think about the ongoing trend in wealth distribution?and more importantly: what kind of traditional games do you play?
>>81767754Looking kind of dumb, with a finger and a thumb in the shape of a hook on their belt loops.YDX4N
>>81787376basedcia is only made by tranny and jews
good books about spies?>Three Days of The Condor>The Spy Who Came In From The Coldwhat else?sci-fi is also ok
>>81787376Except rpk 16 is a spec ops grade t-doll with a female type chassis.....?
>>81806319>what's your personal outlook on today's geopolitics?Geopolitically, that we're in a shitstorm and there is noone of any competence of morality at the helm. I'm also embarrased and disgusted as hell at the current state of the NSA, CIA and FBI. They're fucking infested by political cronies that should be taken out and put in front of a firing squad and that they should be replaced by people who have since retired to retrain and re staff the entire apparatus with competent people that know what the job is about. Let me relate why I feel this way and you should be able to draw a reasonable idea of why I say this. When I was new to my position I was in the USAF still and stationed at RAF Chicksands in the UK and doing RC collection missions out of RAF Mildenhall. Some of the time, while spinning the dial at our racks we'd pick up comms from civilian sector including phone calls. Some were pretty hillarious, and some might involve, let's say... the trafficing of illicit substances. Now tips about such things might have found their way into the hands of the US coast guard (how do you think that they just happen to board a ship in the middle of nowhere and just happen to find drugs? I wonder) Anyway, one of the things I found out was that if we intercept and determine that one of the people on the other end is a US citizen, we shut that shit down right there, recordings stop spinning (we used tape then yes) and we package up that tape, notify oncall duty officer of the intercept, the times, and turn over all tapes, other recordings, notes, etc. and destroy them. No exceptions. Being the curious sort I asked "why?" I found out. The senior agent told me, "Because that's violationg that citizens civil and constitutional rights. We do not record or monitor us citizens on native soil" I responded, "yeah, but we're not on native soil, we're in the UK, and they were at sea or something" He got fucking cold as ice (cont)
>>81810007I still remember this clear as day because of how passionate the guy was. "Son, we're here to defend the Constitution and the rights of the people of the United States. We don't fucking cut corners or infringe the rights of the people we're sworn to protect or the constitution we swore to uphold. So when we determine we're intercepting a US citizen we assume they're on us soil and stop recording and destroy it. You've been entrusted with a lot of power by our country. Do not abuse that trust." Now compare that guy, to the fuckheads we have running the show now. Now imagine how fucking embarrased I am by the behavior of the NSA following Snowden's escapades. Snowden's actions shouldn't have been seen as a "betrayal by one of our own" it should have been a fucking clarion wake up call to the entire NSA that they'd go so far away from doing what we were entrusted to do that it's not even funny. So yeah, I'd say take the current crop of people there, line them up, and end them.. and beg people from 20 years ago to come back and train up a new batch of people to do the job properly. That's my 100% honest take on the state of the NSA, CIA, and FBI. Purge the lot and rework from the ground up. The FBI and NSA especially. They're dangerous as they are now.
>>81810007Well, that took a lot more serious and dark turn than I expected.
In a modern game I'm in they are literally spooks. All ghosts.
>>81806246>>acting all condescending while cherry picking from one of the most interesting contribution to the board i've seen in monthsWell, so long as someone found it interesting. Most people hear you say "worked for NSA as an analyst" and they go "Sha! right, jack ryan, fuck off" And don't realize that actual people do work at this stuff. I ultimately decided to quit it and go back to school and complete my engineering degree, but it's a bunch of memories I'll treasure still
>>81767754A quiet intelligence agency with fingers in all sorts of pies and possesses aburdly advanced technology along with supernatural capabilities.
>>81810111They make recruits swear an oath to the Constitution and not Congress for a reason. Props to you and your team. I wish more people remembered that.
>>81781064>When I was in that field the DHS didn't exist yet.Jesus grandpa how old are you?
>>81787105The glowies are always present on 4chan and always have been. Moot even said at one point he had to talk to the FBI every week about the shit that gets posted around here, and that was back when /tg/ was a trial board.
>>81810111They've been dangerous for a long time.Espionage is a dirty business, always has been, always will be, but during the Cold War the moral brakes completely came off the US intelligence services. MKULTRA's kind of the prototypical bit of Cold War malpractice that's just kind of been accepted, but it always has to be reiterated that the CIA kidnapped people, *US citizens*, and dosed them with hallucinogens more or less to see what would happen. This is something we know they did. They probably did worse things to foreigners that we're not aware of.Spooks have their own interests at heart, first and foremost. Sometimes those interests will align with yours, sometimes they won't, and the rules are more like guidelines for them. Sometimes breaking the rules is necessary, sometimes it isn't, but they'll never let people outside the system know. That's the truth and it's always how I'll portray secret services in my worlds.
Is it true that they are losing assets/personnel left and right abroad?
>>81809770The Laundry books are pulpish cosmic horror spy stories. Don't reinvent the wheel but they're fun
>>81817446What makes them so fun? Also, which is the best book and why?
>>81806246I'm allowed to be condescending when I'm right. Not that I was trying to be condescending at all, but hey, autism.>>81815505Its very interesting, I hope this thread stays up for more.
>>81779858>dumbass coastie thinking rural living is not the American ideal
>>81806319>Russian hackers >no comment>wealth distribution>no comment>traditional games>no commenthmmm
as the criminally incompetent morons they are
>>81819881Mirror mirror on the wall who is the highest paid clown of them all?
all cia niggers must die
>>81819825>space around your home to do with as you please>not living stacked like firewood and having to constantly adjust your behavior because you share common walls, floors, and ceilings with other homes>people not always up in your business>people respect private property>laws don't restrict what animals you own, only how much land you need for livestock>SHALL NOT is respected>cops not driven to the edge by dealing with city scum every day>tl;dr live free the way you like, not the way you have to because you're packed in like sardinesSorry friend, but it very much is.
>>81819872He answered above though.
>>81774368I'm pretty sure whoever has control of the ATF Facebook account is doing his damned best to make them look as bad as possible while maintaining plausible deniability.Shit like making sure to post on dog appreciation day, celebrating their great victory on the anniversary of ruby ridge.
>>81775882wait, zun wrote that? Neat.
>>81775045ignore the faggot redditorsbaalbuddy is a nigger retard who has been drawing the same tired old joke he stole for years and his porn is mediocre
>>81822513But reddit-kun, you are the redditors seething and crying because saw other people doing so. Nobody but a redditor could be obsessed about a comic artist they don't like.
>>81767754My PC had contact with a CIA agent, an FBI agent, and a NSA agent.The CIA agent was the loose cannon with looser morals. He was useful when I needed things blown up, or a live tiger delivered somewhere on short notice.The FBI agent was a joke character, a boomer misusing what was then modern internet slang. I don't remember if he did anything in the whole campaign.The NSA agent was a weaboo, but he was generally useful as an informant.Being NERV's OD was a good job.
>>81820922Sorry could you repeat that, it's hard to hear you over your neighbor's meth lab blowing up.
>>81825096>space around your home to do with as you please>not living stacked like firewood and having to constantly adjust your behavior because you share common walls, floors, and ceilings with other homes>people not always up in your business>people respect private property>laws don't restrict what animals you own, only how much land you need for livestock>SHALL NOT is respected>cops not driven to the edge by dealing with city scum every day>tl;dr live free the way you like, not the way you have to because you're packed in like sardinesHere, pardner
>>81825096not him but my first neighbor is half a mile away from my house so he can blow up whatever he goddamn pleases for all i care, no shit givenalso nobody needs a meth lab over here, we have moonshineand we don't need the DHS to notice any fucker we don't know *real* quick
>>81803848Sorry, I think I only have Lady Une pics.
>>81819872That's because I don't have a lot of time to post. Russian hackers- complete and utter bullshit. They had no effect on the election. Anyone that thinks they did are fucking idiots. Also it was purely to disrupt the election, it did nothing and only gave pussy libs something to whine and cry about. (like they need anything) Trump did not try to get the russians to help him, they just thought it was funny to fuck with people. Wealth redistribution: the whole idea is anti american. That said, CEOs using their power to affect elections and try social engineering should have people go to their houses, and shoot them in the head. Seriously. Zuckerberg, I think he needs to be capped 5 times in the frontal lobe. Likeways jack on twitter. Likewise google. If we want to clean up this nation we need to do some very specific things. Reinstate glass-steagel, outlaw news for profit (goodbye cnn, goodbye fox) News was historically in the us was required of all stations wanting a license. They had to set aside x hours per day to report the news and it had to be unbiased. If you outlaw news for entertainment and require all stations to provide news as a loss leader the quality of news reporting and trust in the news would skyrocket. Trad games: D&D, AD&D, Thieves Guild, Arduin, Runequest, Bureau13, CoC, Silent Death, Microarmor, Epic 40k (2e), renegade legion, Star Trek (fasa) Star Fleet battles. Axis and Allies Just off the top of my head
>>81806319>what do you think about the ongoing trend in wealth distribution?The only thing I can think off that you might be talking about with this is people trying to get companies and CEO's to pay their fair share. Is that what you mean?
black suit and sunglasses(no matter what time of day it is), unless they're undercover, then it's hoodie, baseball cap, holding a latte, tshirt&jeansthey're either bumbling idiots or hyper competent main bad guy
>>81807478Fuck, kill, marry.
>>81806504Jarvy is fine relic from a more civilized age.
>>81767754A distraction from the single most powerful agency in the United States: NASA
>>81825927Sorry, what was that? The Quarry they're turning your town into makes a LOT of noise.
>>81767754>How do you portray the CIA in your games?i make every villain an invisible goblin homosexual that collapses orcish governments and then invites the orcs to live in the elvish treetowns and arrests any elves that complain.
>>81774014thing is that they hate Americans much more than they hate each other
>>81806319Not the specific NSAnon, but..Geopolitics: We're in a sticky situation. I expect a skirmish of some kind with China in the near future. Best case scenario, you won't hear about it for years. Worst case scenario, you won't hear about it or anything else ever again.Russian hackers: Officially, they didn't successfully fuck with elections. They didn't need to, they ran an op just to fuck with our heads. Even if they did succeed, nobody outside the specific NSA team tasked to deal with it would know, and again, they didn't need to succeed, they just needed to stir the pot.Wealth redistribution: You mean wealth concentration, because the real money is going to corporations and their cronies. If you think the government is going to fuck over corporations in any meaningful way, or that internet regulations are going to hurt Facebook, I have a bridge to sell you. The real problem is the squeeze on our dwindling middle class which has already taken a massive beating due to Covid. The people who don't pay taxes will continue to not give a fuck as their rights are silently engulfed by Wal-Mart and they get their handouts.Games I like: Pendragon, Mutants and Masterminds, Cortex Plus.Also: The NSA has huge restrictions on what can and can't be kept when recorded, but obviously it's possible someone unscrupulous can either break the rules or find a dubiously applicable exception if they want. Law-fu is not a new skill, and people in government positions tend to be very good at it when they want to be.
>>81767754What's the best depictions of the CIA in fiction?
>>81828733>I don't have a lot of time to post.thank you again for your informative answers then>wealth redistribution is anti-american>shooting people in the head isn'twell, that was informative>reinstate Glass Steagall>outlaw news for profitbased fucking commie>trad gamesimpressive ngl
>>81829160>people trying to get companies and CEO's to pay their fair sharecompanies and CEO's fair share?or people's fair share?not sure what you mean here
>>81830908>Chinawell the way I see it, everybody in the US is mostly fine with sucking billionaire's cocks and taking it in the the ass from bankers up until the point where said billionaires and bankers become Chinese, where all of sudden nobody's talking about the 'invisible hand' anymore, or how the wealth will 'trickle down'right now from the outside it mostly looks like a big unregulated weapon factory run by a few croniesyou used to be so cool America what happened?
>>81767754>Fallout gameI had a group of pre-war feds operatives that were hit by bombs during a job turn into ghouls while doing some research about a chinese spy on american ground. Yes, one of them was a glowing one because of the terry joke.
>>81773994 "their people" ≠ burgers
>>81809202Shishunki na (no?) Adam
>>81789587"W Kraine" in polish, where the name comes from, already means "the borderland"
>>81838853>companies and CEO's fair share?This one. Apparently Bezos has payed essentially nothing in taxes for several years in a row, according to people I know.
>>81847385Doesn't take a forensic accountant with no accountability and access to every bank statement ever typed on a computer to figure that one out, everyone knows that corporations and the extremely wealthy are tax neutral at best, and receive refunds in excess of whatever paltry sum they might have accidentally paid the rest of the time.
>>81833471Nothing that makes them look too competent.These are the same people that sold the western world on Iraq-WMD. Otherwise, I think the best description of CIA agents is people without morals willing to do terrible things for even a tiny perceived benefit to national security. Also, factionalism and LARGE amounts of compartmentalization cells with 1-2 agents running a bunch of local nationals who do all the ACTUAL spying, flipping them destroying their lives and killing them at the drop of the hat.There are no 'good guys' when it comes to intelligence. Only people acting in the interest of their nation and sometimes themselves, regardless of the morality of it.
As the American branch of the KGB.
>>81844444Wasted good numbers
>>81849762yeah, but it's a small price to pay for having these guys fucking up the planet beyond recognition
>>81849977i'm 100% with youthe scary thing is that we have now private entities and individual people becoming more powerful than nationsof course these successful people are all power hungry sociopaths of some sort otherwise they wouldn't have been successful in the first placesometimes i really wish the bad guys would just be dragons and liches desu/rant
>>81849977>the western worldAmerica. Remember how Americans hate the French to this very day for questioning this narrative (but the Germans somehow got away unpunished)?
>>81767754Same as the church. They are the good guys, but they ultimately serve their own agenda.
>>81849977> These are the same people that sold the western world on Iraq-WMD. Yeah, after being *ordered to*. Your boss tells you to go find evidence for Bigfoot and won’t take “he doesn’t exist” for an answer, you’re gonna find some Bigfoot tracks and poop and hair.
>>81774456The character is aware she is in an anime, and if the death isn't shown on screen, he'll live and come back despite all odds.
>that glowie trying to convince us that they're the good guysShould we trust him?
>>81856901Ask yourself, what would St. Terry do?
>>81781625That’s because you don’t know how actual native English speakers talk. If I walked into a room with a bunch of Spanish speakers and spoke super formal grammatically correct Spanish they’re going to laugh at me.
>>81856984Drive him over with a car?
>>81856901He doesn't? He portrays a different kind of asshole.
>>81838982America was always a warmongering shithole that for some period of time warmongered against the bad guys and thus earned some goodwill.From the very beginning it had problem with rich fucks trying to fuck over the average man the every way they could.
>>81857323>From the very beginning it had problem with rich fucks trying to fuck over the average man the every way they could.It's surprising how few Americans know that the Federalist Papers has a chapter dedicated to limiting democracy, and how suffrage was limited to about 5% of the population (male landowners) until the first president that wasn't part of the Founding Father clique expanded franchise to all white, European men. One of many reasons why Andrew Jackson was incredibly based (though to his credit Jefferson tried to expand suffrage to all taxpaying men and men who were part of the militia, because he may have been the only one who took "no taxation without representation" seriously).That Princeton study that demonstrated the modern US isn't a democracy but a plutocracy? That's exactly what the founding fathers would've wanted.
>>81853323freedom fries lol
>>81856110nice 'intelligence' you have there
>>81857001>If I walked into a room with a bunch of Spanish speakers and spoke super formal grammatically correct Spanish they’re going to laugh at me.>implying you'd be able to do that>implying they wouldn't be impressed>looking for excuses for not being able to speak your own fucking goddamn language properlyalso, 'should of' is retarded however you look at it
>>81858381What makes it funnier is that the last time the Americans pulled this kind of thing is when they renamed sauerkraut "liberty cabbages" and the German shepherd the "Alsatian Wolfhound". This was in the context of the world wars. So France's refusal to join a war of aggression against a regime the Americans propped up themselves is in the eyes of the American populace comparable to declaring war against all your neighbors at once and sinking a ship with American passengers on board. You can't make this shit up.
>This shitfest survived for almost a weekThe state of current /tg/
>>81833471The one where bumpfags are kidnapped and disappear forever
>>81849977>There are no 'good guys' when it comes to intelligenceThere are always data-crunchers, you know. The people who often don't even know what sort of data they are crunching, just doing it. Essentially a whole division of accountants that process numbers, context-less.And that's roughly third of manpower of any intelligence agency.
>>81817863The best thing Stross ever wrote was The Missile Gap, but it's NOT part of the Laundry Files, more of a really weird techno-thriller.
>>81793364And this is the moment where this thread hit full-on life support mode.
>>81858777>>81858823nice complaining, guys/tg/ is a slow boardnothing wrong with people clinging to the occasionnal semi-decent conversation while waiting for hypothetic new contribution from previous postersmuch better than high-speed shit-flinging or cancer general #7698659also, reported for low quality postsjust so you know
>>81858777The irony here is that this thread is full of good old/tg/ style discussion and you are the exact cancer responsible for the shitshow that is nu/tg/.>nooo stop talking about this>stooooooop>I don't want talk about the subject of this thread I cose to ooooooopen>where's the downvote button?
>>81856984oh what would St. Terry do if where here right now?!
>>81858314The Founders were rightly wary of Democracy, and provide ample examples of why it was a terrible idea. Among other things it just doesn't bloody scale.