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Trench Crusade is a project of artist Mike Franchina being worked on.
The setting is a mix of ww1, H.R Giger, Warhammer 40k, and Christian Mythology

Post information about the progress of the work and or information on the lore.
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>>78914526
>Post information about the progress of the work and or information on the lore.
Isn't that your job, OP.
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>>78914526
Isn't it just an art project? Not very /tg/
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>>78914539
Not OP, but Mike intends to compile the setting into a full-length bestiary and then allow anyone to as they wish with the setting, enabling anyone to play around in it. It's /tg/-adjacent or could at least be made to be.
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>>78914602
huh, that's neat. Is there going to be a system of some kind attached to it, or just lore and pictures?
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here is more art since op is a fag and too lazy to post it
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>>78914602
Okay, get back to us when he does that. Ta.
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>>78915142
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>>78915058
Lore mostly, but it would be easy to design a system for it once it's done.

>>78915149
Will do fag.
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>>78915134
Are artillery witches evil?
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>>78915100
Zygotic Lord
>Adherents to the Path of the Beast exalt their Zygotic Lord in its most lowly form. In time it will grow, and change, and grind the earth beneath its many feet.

>>78915112
Angel of Mercy
>Many tales are told of the Angel of Mercy. She wanders no-man's land putting injured soldiers out of their misery. Her mere touch can penetrate the armor of a heretic tank. She can be summoned by a burnt offering of k-rations and engine oil. She cannot die.

>>78915124
Communicant: Light Anti-Tank Infantry
>Communicants are partakers of the experimental communion. The blood and flesh harvested from a Meta-Christ by the Mendelist monks. The most holy and pious of the church are chosen to partake of the experimental communion, and go through many biological changes to become more effective on the battlefield

>>78915134
Artillery Witches
>Artillery Witches stalk the battlefields, hurling ordnance assembled in the death factories of Hel. They are completely mute, and no one has ever seen their faces. Some question if they are even living, and there are even tales that they too were manufactured in Hell.

>>78915142
Assault Gun: Hammer of Witches
>Assault gun of the 33rd Armor Battalion. Dubbed the Hammer of Witches after the crews fanatic zeal for persecuting heretics.

>>78915151
Orthodoxy Officer
>Orthodoxy Officer- tasked with instilling the fear of God in the troops. The orthodoxy officer keeps the soldiers on the path of righteousness, and punishes those who transgress. They are protected by their unwavering faith as well as the saints they revere.
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>>78915238
Literally use ordinance forged in the circles of Hell, so yes.
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>>78915134
>wake up in the trenches
>see this
>wat do?
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>>78917372
Explode.
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>>78917372
Fucking Die
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I like the idea of weird occult WW1.
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>>78919074
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Where are the embryo bullets being launched from phallc gun buildings?
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>Christian Mythology
yikes
>40K
:sigh:
>Giger
cringe boomer reference/10

There are more original ways to make WWI grimdark and occult: I'd stick to the historical sources, then add
>dada/surrealism ideas as warfare weapons
>dieselpunk Soviet mechas-tanks
>Golden Dawn mages, Anthroposophy wizard, East European Witches, Shamans from African/Asian colonies
>atom-based weapons and radium
>Vampires French spies
>Sade & SacherMasoch-inspired armours/exosuits to give extra-powers (yes, BDSM superheroes)
>underground trenches all over Europe, from Spain to London (Vietnamese guerilla but with Absinthe zombies and Lovecraftian Worms lurking in the the galleries)
>No Americans (although flying paddlewheeled steamboat/Bombardiers sound cool)
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there is a retarded faggot in this thread, no one pay attention to him and maybe he'll learn that he will never be a woman
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>>78914526
needs more demon/cultist representation.
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>>78914526
Not traditional games
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>>78919866
>Mike Franchina
here ya go. heretic soldier.
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>>78919892
Well yes but actually no
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>>78919659
>>78919802
>reddit memes
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>>78917372
Get nuked.
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>>78915134
>Haha her armor has titties on it!
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>>78919613
This doesn't sound very grimdark, this is anime tier wackiness, fuck outta here.
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It would be cool if Mike Morheim's new studio ends up picking him up, does some cool games here.
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So is there any actual lore on Trench Crusade or is it just the artwork right now?
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>>78919613
I was fully on board with your post right until I got to your ideas, which were nearly all bad and uninspired.
>Instead of attempting a new aesthetic, why not recycle tropes?

>>78924874
Sounds liek mostly just artwork and a promise of more to come.
Probably a couple of weeks short of having the sadact trolling turnip28 threads finding out about it.
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>>78925794
Is there any lore whatsoever?
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>>78924874
>>78925794
>>78925928
There's lore blurbs for each image, as well as general lore about the setting he writes up that's not tied to any image at all. See >>78915393
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>>78919613
Trans opinion.
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>>78915149
>you WILL not talk about interesting things here
>you WILL make more coom threads
>you WILL make more bait threads
Kill yourself faggot
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>>78919074
I have yet to see a setting that manages to capture the horror of the trenches beyond pointlessly tacking on the aesthetics for grimderp.
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>>78919613
>dadaism and bdsm shit
You are Jewish and a transgenderfolx
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>>78926015
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>>78925948
So what is the actual universe? Is it literally WW1 with demons? Or just a fantasy world that is irl 1910s tech level?
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>>78914526
I think he has some concept artwork for path of exile 2, I really like it.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3100660
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>>78926039
It's a world that's vaguely WWII but mixed with a ton of shit. It's stuck in an eternal Crusade (hence the name) where the holy forces of the Church, who run the gamut from holy lepers and bizarre bio-monsters to the almost normal factions like New Antioch fight against endless demonic nightmares including things like the Adherents of the Beast who seek to reduce all humanity and life to mindless Lizard Brain animal instinct, the Cult of the Black Grail who worship disease and decay in all its forms, the Church of Metamorphosis who seek ascendance into godhood and more.

The tech level seems like WWII on the surface, but it's orders of magnitude more advanced. Pic related is a good example of the kind of weapons humanity has access to here.
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>>78926744
So it's based in an alternate version of our world? Like what's the actual rundown of this world.
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>>78914526
Are they still trying to force the "trench aesthetic"?
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>>78927272
From what little we know of, it's an alternate version of our Earth but we don't know much about the state of it or even what country a lot of the images are set in, if countries even exist any more. Some bits of lore imply the crusade just stretches endlessly across the wasteland.
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>>78927732
It soubds like pretty much anything past the Martyrs Gate(whatever that is) is the No Man's Land of endless crusade and war. There's Flak stations that are just...there like whole little settlements eking out existence and rationing supplies for literally decades.
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>>78926744
How is the civilian life?
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>>78919613
>unironically saying dieselpunk.
>mecha tanks
>soviets in WWI
>>BDSM superheroes
>dada lul zomg i know entry level art history
you couldn’t be more of a faggot if you tried.
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>>78914526
Is this the same or different than Potato28?
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I really like this guy- I've subscribed to his patreon, and he's got a pretty laid-back discord where he shares a lot of the concept art he's done.
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>>78928141
It apparently leads into "The Holy Land" but what that means is unknown.

>>78928238
"Civilian life"? What a strange concept...
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>>78928451
i like the art. it’s swag
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>>78919074
>Weird occult ww1
>aircraft more advanced than biplanes or other propeller planes

huge swing and a miss.
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>>78914531
Obviously it's not his job or he wouldn't be asking you
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>>78914526
>Giger
No, these are more like Beksinski mixed with Barlowe. There's nothing Gigeresque going on.
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>>78927354
It’s the whole point retard. That’s like asking if a wh40k is still trying to force the war hammer aesthetic.
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>>78914526
>That pic
When your employer asks where you see yourself in 10 years and you can't say reactionary crusader warlord in collapsed America and instead have to make up some BS about still working at their company
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>>78917372
BLAST IT WITH PISS
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>>78926087
PoE2?
I feel old.
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>>78928872
lol

Anyway, what are the "factions" of this setting? Looks like just satanic dudes with some vague catholic imagery by >>78915393

Who are they suppose to be fighting?
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So it's the Goodbye Blue Sky video turned into a setting.
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>>78928506
those aint no planes boy
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>>78929706
>Who are they suppose to be fighting?
All the known major demonic factions are listed in >>78926744
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>>78915112
that picture feels out of place in the collection
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>>78920265
i love the tactical aborted fetus
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>>78928605
He could've just copy and pasted his shilling instructions exactly without actually reading them because he's a retarded Brazilian.
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>>78919613
>not liking Giger
Faggot
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From the patreon on the origin of the crusade:

So thousands of years ago, the israelites lost a war to the babylonians. Many israelites were taken captive and brought to babylon. There they lived in exile until the babylonians in turn were conquered by the persians. The israelites were released from captivity and returned to judah.

In the trench crusade, the exiled israelites discovered something in babylon. Some form of demonic artifact. During the sack of babylon, a secret group of Kabbalistic Knights managed to acquire the artifact, which they wanted to safekeep, so noone else could get ahold of it, since it had great power. They brought the artifact back to jerusalem, where it was kept under lock and key in the secret vaults beneath the city. It was guarded for a thousand years by the secret order of Kabbalistic Knights, until the first crusade.

The armies of the church took the city. And under the most holy of temples, the Knights Templar discovered the secret vaults, and the demonic artifact. You may be familiar with some of the conspiracy theories around the knights templar, im sure most of them are just propaganda created by the pope at the time because he owed them money. But in this case they really did worship or offer allegiance to this mysterious artifact.

The templars were the first heretics, and the war continues to rage.
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>>78929665

There's a Path of Exile 2? What the fuck. I remember just getting Vaal Summon Skeletons.
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>>78914526
>The setting is a mix of ww1, H.R Giger, Warhammer 40k, and Christian Mythology
Might want to consider adding Kris Kuksi as an aesthetic influence.
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>>78931525
This too.
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>>78926744
>Church of Metamorphosis who seek ascendance into godhood and more
They sound swell, I want to join them.
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>>78933984
You really don't.
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Love this kinda shit.
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>>78919074
meet Never Going Home
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>78919613
you'll never be a real woman
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He doesn't care he is missing a third of his torso, he is gonna whack ya with a stick
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>>78919892
Report it then cuck wanna be janny boi
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>>78930510
>>78929665
shit lads, yeah that's old.
PoE2's still in development - it's a bit of a misnomer - it's exactly the same game, so the new campaign will have the same endgame as another character from the old campaign, both playable and interactable, but it's coming along with a redesign of the core gameplay loops/mechanics.
if you've already jumped ship, honestly, i wouldn't recommend jumping back into it. The league mechanics are buggy rippy shit, piano flasks are still fucking garbage we have to put up with, and there isn't really content, it's just a visualizer for confiming you can hit an arbitrarily high damage number
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I would absolutely play a wargame/ttrpg with this setting
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>>78915134
I think I'm in love
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Damn, I'm almost seriously considering donating to this guy. These are the closest to an ideal setting I've seen for what I actually like.
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>>78928451
There is a mention that soldiers undergo a pilgrimage to the trenches.
I think the holy land is actually the front lines of this war.
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>>78934806
Imagine peaking over the sandbags and seeing this shit.
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>>78934806
>>78936718
From his twitter: Heresiarch, "Once this being was a human, but over time it has grown vast with its accumulated blasphemies. It is surrounded by the edifices of its beliefs, which drone their sermons unceasing."
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>>78919087
Ecclesiastic Prisoner
>to atone for their many sins, they are forced to make a final act of contrition.

>>78926010
Lord of Tumors
>A high ranking officiant in the Cult of the Black Grail, the Lord of Tumors spreads filth and corruption amongst friend and foe alike.

>>78934152
Nun of the Church of Metamorphosis
>Their wretched buzzing does rise up to the god of many forms, and the god shall open the doorway further.

>>78934297
Trench Pilgrim
>A holy warrior of the trenches. Considers it his religious duty to make pilgrimage to the sacred battlefields to fight the heretic legions. He wears the iron capirote to insulate his mind from the horrors of war.

>>78934792
Goetic Knight
>sorcerers trained in the ars goetica, these fearsome heretics stride through no-man's land, protected by their satanic pacts
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Unfinished piece of his of a female knight in the same universe having just slain a demon of some sort.
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>You're a young, freshly-trained soldier fighting on the front lines.
>You've been deployed with the other boys from your village.
>This drops in and slaughters your best friend right next to you.
>This is the first and last time you see titties.
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>>78936804
Beautiful. Can't wait to see the final product
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>>78936989
MOMMY!
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One day he'll have to draw a meta-christ.
I want to know what they look like.
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>>78926011
This is about as interesting as a turnip.
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>>78934334
Often posted, never played.
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>>78926744
Better to join New Antioch.
At least you get to die as a man.
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>>78937370
that's /tg/ in a nutshell
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>>78937354
Then perhaps you should go find something that does interest you, friend.
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>>78937459
But then you don't get a qt heretic waifu to rut like animals with.
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>>78915142
>ISU-152
>In WWI inspired game.
It's a really cool assault gun but that's quite out of place.
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>>78937475
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>>78937354
Then perhaps you should fucking make a thread that interests you and kill yourself, nigger.
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>>78920265
If this is really meant to be a WWI inspired thing it's really triggering my /k/ autism.
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>>78926010
ewwwww
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>>78937585
I like to think the war has stretched on for ages and everyone is fighting with whatever they could scrounge up from battles past.
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Did they dig the trenches too deep and let loose the horrors of Hell or something?
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>>78937536
She's right there! >>78936989
LOOK!>>78936989
LOOK AT HER!>>78936989
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>>78937288
Aparrently meta-christs are attempts to instill divinity in flesh and ressurect Jesus again so he can smite the heretics. So like vat-grown clone jesus.
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>>78937848
So somewhere a sample of Christ's flesh is sitting nicely in a jar?
Huh, weird.
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>>78926744
>THE BANEBLADE
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>>78924161
what am I looking at?
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>What if we slapped vaguely early 20th century aesthetics on top of generic fantasy
Reminder to report this thread for advertising.
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I kinda like this, it’s grimdark like 40k, but at the same time it seems to be localized to only earth itself, so theoretically if we knew more about the setting, the stakes could actually be relevant.
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>>78919613
Shoo shoo, ghoul of the Tribe
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I want to see his interpretation of angels.
That's gonna be some wacky shit.
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>>78938425
Well he has demons that sort of act as angels in their own fucked way.
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>>78915058
OP here sorry i thought this trend was dead by now. Thank you for posting
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>>78937475
Remove yourseflf, Beast cultist
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>>78938852
*wild howling*
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>>78938871
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL IT WITH FIRE!
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The art is nice but everyone in the setting seems so thoroughly dehumanised that it's hard to imagine an actual story written here.
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>>78937475
This, think of all the lonely waifus, you could make at least one them happy breeding sow.
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>>78936718
crap my pants
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>>78938881
>>78938898
Feeling dangerously reddit in here
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>>78938781
what the fuck kind ofpost is this
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>>78937670
Careful son they always warn you about trench foot but they never tell you about trench pussy.
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>>78919613
>yikerino you better not be an unironic fan of literally anyways or I'll call you cringe and posted chudjacks to make show everyone what a silly face you make while liking things I don't like
>here's a bunch of my stupid ideas

What a fag.
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>>78938205
That's larger than any Baneblade by an absurd amount. The shockwave from that thing firing its main gun alone would kill everything in front of it.

>>78938425
We haven't seen actual angels yet, but the Church of Metamorphosis has Pupal Seraphs and similar things and the Black Grail has Cherubim (pictured).
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Guys, do you think this setting can get the Iron Harvest treatment and get its own inspired video game? I'd play the shit out of a RTS based on this setting.

The Heretics would be your Protoss-like faction (ultra powerful and durable units but very costly and long to build)
The Church would be your typical Terran-like faction (balanced)
Then we would need a third, Zerg-like faction (strength in numbers with overwhelming weaks but endless units coming at you as a horde).
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>>78914526
This is cool af

>>78914539
Kill yourself. Art is one of the vital humors of this board.
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>>78940663
I don't know, I get the sense that they're both throwing tons of people into the grinder.
I think the primary difference is that the Church seems to be on the defensive while Heretics are pushing an assault.
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>>78938268
Catholic-Fascist rally in Austria
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>>78940663
>Guys, do you think this setting can become the most generic thing ever?

Go back to /v/ you fucking troglodyte.
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>>78940527
Yeah I know I just wanted to shitpost
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>>78940663
I can smell the underage on this post
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>>78941576
I'll be 24 in a week :,(
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>>78937354
Sorry, I'll go make another "How would X fare in 40k?" or thinly veiled rape fetish thread just for you
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>>78938871

Are these the petitioners?
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>>78937354
>"I'm not interested in the topic of this thread!" he whined between greedily gulping down mouthfuls of cum, rather than moving on to a thread he was actually interested in
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St. Domnica of the Zweihander: her prowess with the weapon was legendary, and she was considered blessed by God to be able to wield such a blade. She charged the enemy ranks during the Battle of Absalom, but fell to a pupal seraph when the charge faltered and her unit was cut down.
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>>78942159
She was a badass. Unfortunately, I doubt her death was swift or pleasant.
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>>78942159
>>78943113

>>78938626 is a pupal seraph btw
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This one is probably my least favourite, it's too silly. I still fapped to it though
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>>78943313
still better than pauldroncore
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>>78938896
It's hard tom imagine playing anything like this. The most standards soldiers look like madshit insane zealots.
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>>78938896
>>78944305
New Antioch is full of mostly normal people. They're apparently scared of the other branches of the Church. They'd certainly make good viewpoint characters/PCs.
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>>78919613
Fuck off, shonentard
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What are the factions? Where is the lore located?
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>>78945491
>>78926744
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>>78944767
Kek
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I can't tell who the good guys are
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>>78949311
The Church is morally questionable but they're infinitely beter than this shit >>78938871
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This guy draws some hot women.
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>>78943313
I don't think it's that silly, I can clearly see the inspiration, it's taken things from "anima" armour that you see in the 16th century and tournament armour that covers the entire body, such as the unfinished foot combat armour of Henry VIII in the royal armouries, and a few other things.
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this is his most recent work, a child of baphomet
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>>78950371
Imagine this thing moving.
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>>78950746
I would really rather not.
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>>78950746
>>78950961
Imagine the sounds.
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>>78933984
Play Tzimisce
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>>78915142
>>78937524
Yeah, missed a spot check there. Same for the one in >>78915112; can't really tell what it is specifically but that's definitely not a WW1 silhouette.
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Who the fuck is meta-Christ?
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>>78938871
Hey, I thought that one was made by Keith Thompson?
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>>78951446
Nope similar to some of his stuff though.

I recall some of this stuff being used during raiders and radon threads.
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>>78938871
>they’re ornery cuz they have all them teeths and no toothbrush
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>>78954134
And the giant demonic ticks on them
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>>78917372
realize I've been blessed and fiercely dominate the battlefield
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>>78937585
I'm interested
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>>78934806
booba
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Is it a wargame? A tabletop RPG? Both?
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>>78914526
don't they have a doom wad?
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>>78949448
that's quite graphic but i like the bold choice in this context
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>>78954591
Purely art and lore by an artist. Don't think there's an aim for more.
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Other than the awkward shilling in this thread, these pictures feel very artless. Like he is just adding disturbing stuff to have disturbing stuff.

Even HR Giger's most creepy creations had a flow to them, and were subtly unnerving and disconcerting, not over the top "grimdark" schlock.
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>>78955265
>HR Giger
>subtly
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>>78926031
>>78926075
>>78926115
>>78926134
>>78926153
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>>78920265
>Pazuzu
Fuck this faggot and his cult
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>>78955265
Fuck off back to /lit/ pseud.
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>>78955265
nah, they're p good.
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>>78951090
>definitely not
Wrong. Assault guns, just like almost all modern weapons, were pioneered in the war.
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>>78955265
A lot of these are very concept art than actual composed pieces. That said, you're still a faggot.
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seems to edgy and retarded
>this is a hell angel from hell who shoots hell missles out of her hell tits, she was born in HELL
>here is tank but this one is BIGGER
>here is tank but this one is HOLY
>stupid looking demon shitters
wowee wow

>>78956600
>>78956203
found the underage retards
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>>78915142
hahahaha 152mm go BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>78919613
>>Sade & SacherMasoch-inspired armours/exosuits to give extra-powers (yes, BDSM superheroes)
The thing is modern BDSM esthetic dates comes from 60s gay leather culture which was inspired by 30s Nazi. In other words, highly anachronistic in WW1.

But if you want an esthetic inspired by Sade, you need colourful silks, lace and powdered wigs. Sade was an 18th century French aristocrat after all. You will find wigs and lace in latex culture though. I guess the dehumanization that latex goes for would work in a grimderp setting.
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>>78919613
>paddlewheeled steamboat
Nothing uniquely American about paddle wheels. I took a paddle wheeled boat trip on Lac Leman from Lauzane to Chion restored with Swiss perfection.
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you could say that they're here-ticks
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CARLOS
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>>78919613
>giger bad
You can say that sort of things if you can back it up effectively. You did no such thing
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>>78914526
Judging from the level of tech it looks more like ww2.

ww2 had trenches too ya know
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So what do you figure an actual game would look like in this setting ? Like your little party composed of a flagellant berserker, a flame thrower inquisitor and a cosaq battle nun need to storm a fortress beyond the trenches to stop a covenant of artillery witches from summoning the mortar of blood ? Cause it's hard to think of something that not pure battle when there is no civilian life at all.
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>>78958903
>here is tank but this one is BIGGER
>>here is tank but this one is HOLY
Based but unironically
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>>78929799
Elaborate
>Shape is maybe a trident thing at best
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>>78926015
>>78926031
>>78926075
>>78926115
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>>78926153
Otto Dix managed to capture the horror of WWI like nobody else
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>>78959229
I'm drawing a veil on this
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>>78962575
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>>78950371
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>>78950998
conceptualize the olfactory sensations
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>>78937848
>So like vat-grown clone jesus.
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>>78938100
>So somewhere a sample of Christ's flesh is sitting nicely in a jar?
>Huh, weird.
Catholics believe in Transubstantiation, which means that the eucharist literally transforms into Jesus' flesh during communion. So it would actually be really easy to obtain Jesus' DNA if you believe in Catholicism.
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>>78914526
This dude's stuff reminds me of that Doom .wad called Trench Warfare, which itself was based on the Siege of Vraks. I could see somebody taking Only War and house-ruling a lot of this into a working system and setting once he's done with it. I'm interested to see how America is doing in this setting, having looked through his stuff it seems like the demonic invasion is stemming from the Middle East, and over the centuries of failed containment has finally spilled into Europe, and now all the European countries have eventually banded together under the Church as the sole form of government there. It's an interesting setting, to say the least. It implies the schism was mended but I'm interested to see what happened to Protestantism, which is also why I'm looking forward to finding out what's going on in the US.
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>>78962349
Unironically this would make for a decent Only War setting.

Like the heretics of the Beast, Black Grail and Metamorphosis are just Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch respectively. Just run 40k with the serial numbers filed off after all that's what the artist is doing.
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>>78929770
Underrated post
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This guy should collab with the dude that glues green onions onto his minis
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>>78964525
The Beast is Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh rolled into one. It has traits from all three merged into a single gestalt.
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>>78958903
bro, this place started as a place to contain 40k posting and you want to act like a snob when people here think edgy church warriors fighting mutant cultists is cool? Go somewhere else then retard.
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>>78962978
The Union of Northern and Western states is locked into an eternal war with the Confederate States of America which made a pact with fel beings in desperation after Atlanta was burned.
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>>78964525
Still needs a Slaanesh and Malice equivalent. I remember seeing an excerpt from a very long-since de-canonized version of Genesis or it was probably from that where Lilith ditches Adam and fucks some archangel who would eventually betray God. You could have another cult, call it the Church of the First Matriarch or the Church of the Original Lady, and it's an all-female heretic army that does about you'd except; some Hellraiser shit. Then, you could have a renegade angel, destined to wage war against everyone possibly including himself, who embodies the wild nature of chaos and who goes around screwing over every other faction.
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>>78919613
For someone shitting on others ideas your own opinion is really shit and unoriginal.
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Gotta love how, no matter the time period, no matter the location, no matter the technology, there are ALWAYS gonna be dudes running around with swords
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>>78919613
>dieselpunk
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>>78929770
Where my Deus Ex fans at?
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>>78962757
Transubstantiation don't work like that. It's way weirder. It's based on the arestolician four elements theory : everything have an essence that is a mix of elements. For example if you're essence is mainly air, you are light and tend to go up. When transubstantiation happen the physical of the bread and wine is unchanged, but their essence become divine.
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>>78966190
No, this was explained to me by an actual Jesuit at Catholic School, it literally becomes flesh and blood on a molecular level except it retains the appearance and taste of bread and wine.

I actually asked if anyone had ever run a chemistry test on the eucharist to confirm this theory and he said it would be desecration to abuse the body and bread of Christ like this.
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just played Wasteland 3, and i'm getting strong vibes of that here, could fit with some tweaking
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>>78967087
I am a protestant now BTW, but one thing I do have to respect about Catholics is the holy awe they put into their rituals. Communion is central to Catholicism because you are summoning the powerful presence of the spirit of God and you are engaging in deophagy - the literal eating of God and absorbing his divine spirit and holy attributes into yourself.

To protestants, the communion is symbolic - a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice and that we now carry the torch of the disciples. It's more rational, sure, but it is hard not to look at a Catholic mass and recognize the power of their symbols.
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>>78967087
kek the religious really are something
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>>78965864
I like the way this guy draws armor.
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>>78956203
based anti /lit/tard
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>>78967271
That's Catholics.

They are actually remarkably intelligent and their entire doctrine is based off of deductive reasoning by councils of philosophical scholars. Though even intelligent people make mistakes, because we are all human. The problem is that their reach exceeds their grasp and they never admit they are wrong because they, as the one true church, speak with the authority of God's voice and God does not make mistakes. So some outright medieval ideas are still accepted as canon because they would otherwise have to accept they are a mere manmade institutuon and fallible.
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>>78967087
>this was explained to me by an actual Jesuit
so an heretic, gotcha
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>>78967612
So you're saying catholism is a stupid doctrine followed by intelligent people, while protestantism is a smarter doctrine followed by retards ?
That makes a lot of sense
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>>78967612
I was laughing at the propensity for the religious dodging anything and everything by feigning offense. Spare me your autistic day 1 religious studies info dumps.
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>>78967087
>Jesuit makes catholicism look bad

Of course
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>>78967612
>So some outright medieval ideas are still accepted as canon

Based. Enjoy your flip-flop tranny Protestantism, heretic.
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>>78949448
I don't think she's part of the setting, it's just a thing he put on artstation. Still cool
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>>78950746
I thought the same thing, wonderfully vile
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>>78962575
Whys that kid got a radio antenna?
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>>78962575
>>78968289
Prophetic Tactician. Part of the Synod of Strategic Prophecy. The Synod communicates directly with God, in order to divine his ultimate plan. In order to do this, the Synod must use children, who are the only ones with the sensitivity of mind to communicate with God. The children are surgically, genetically, and chemically altered to carry out this task. They also must use special machines to communicate with God.
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I'm not super familiar with the system, but a modified version of Nechronica could make for an interesting way to run the setting. I'd like to get the opinion of someone with more experience on this
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>>78968097
please be nice to each other :c
every one should love each other :D
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>>78968363
alright anon, you win
I'll post some Scorn artwork instead of cute animals because it's somewhat on topic
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>>78962349
Why not >>78968356
Nechronica?

You're escapees of some demonic hellpit superweapon development program. With the innocent mind of a child but a hellish body you are hunted by both crusaders and demons while trying to survive and recover your past.
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>>78926015
>>78937370
Never Going Home does an ok job. Running it right now.
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>>78962349
>when there is no civilian life at all.
The author said at one point on his discord channel that "civilians are basically slaves for either side" or something like that.

It's pretty vague. Lots of room for interpretation until he clarifies further.
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>>78926010
It’s worse when you know what that shit actually looks and smells like.
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>>78962757
There was actually a test done to a consecrated HOST that came of as human heart that belongd to a 30 year old male. This test was done by the UN
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>>78969408
https://media.ascensionpress.com/2020/04/13/the-amazing-science-of-recent-eucharistic-miracles-a-message-from-heaven-%EF%BB%BF/
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>>78969095
Sounds like civilians are meat for the war machine on either side. Either as slaves to be used in perverse rites or to tirelessly toil beneath the watchful eyes of the Church.
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>>78967144
Catholic mass is the cringiest religious rite if you look at it objectively.
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>>78919613
I don't understand your hate about Gigiger, but I agree the avanguardist angle is undervalued

There are so many possibilities with dadaist/cubist/futurist movement
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This is all very style over substance I've gotta say
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>>78964795
That sounds made up.
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>>78967087
He is wrong anyway. The accident remains bread even after transubstantiation. The only thing that changes is the substance (the platonic kind). So even if you chemically analyse it it remains chemically bread.
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So what is life like in the Trenches? One would assume fucking horrifying as the aetting demands but are there moments of peace? Boredom?
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>>78970428
>but are there moments of peace? Boredom?
As always, it's war.
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>>78919613
In an era where most of the armies would have been comprised of men raised Christian from birth, using that as a source of inspiration for the setting is really cool. Having a soldier be afraid of generic ghoul is alright, but having him cowering in fear because the exact thing that his mother warned him about as a child is lurking above the trenches seeking to pull him down to enternal damnation is amazing
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>>78970823
just shoot it and stop being a pussy
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>>78969408
go back to facebook memaw
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>>78962349
Probably. I would imagine Only War could do this pretty readily maybe Black Crusade if you wanted to be dirty heretics. We know there's a couple of factions on the side of the Church including New Antioch and Varagyans.
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>>78971156
No
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>>78962685
He failed though. Humanity died.
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>>78971383
>be a flak battery villager
>your people have fought for the Church for eighty years.
>the great batteries have knocked hellspawn and aircraft from the sky for decades.
>one day you get the call. You and a few others need to reach a nearby supply fortress and bring back ammunition.
>it's a three day walk through no man's land.
>godspeed and good luck.
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>>78972488
>still killed god
you win some, you lose some
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>>78970428
>One would assume fucking horrifying
I fear no evil for thou art with me
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>>78921302
Was working my way to the bottom of this to say this. This is all going in my Never Going Home art folder.
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>>78973682
To elaborate on this. Imagine a world where Catholicism was visually demonstrably the correct faith, no doubt in your mind because you could see literal demons and magic rituals. Wouldn't you immediately devote your entire life to faith and religion? I am pretty sure realizing hell is real and you could go there would make anyone into a rabid flagellant mortally afraid for their soul. You would be afraid to think a single sinful thought. What happens to your body would be nothing. Forget boredom, your every waking second not spent fighting demons would be spent praying.
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>>78976391
>Wouldn't you immediately devote your entire life to faith and religion?
Well that depends, can't we just buy indulgences if Catholicism is true?
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>>78976685
unless you are poor
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>>78970070
it is because I made it up
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>>78976685
I'm reasonably sure the Catholic reformation did away with indulgences.
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>>78976391
I think having a majority of people in the trenches be joyous and ecstatic that they’re basically guaranteeing themselves eternal happiness would be a cool juxtaposition against the literal hell going on around them. how do you sell people on the opposition though? who sees the fact that heaven and hell are real and decides they want to be on the hell side?
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>>78976992
Because why be a servant when you can be sovereign? Or if you want to do away with such things as civilized life and embrace the feral joy of base desires.
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>>78976391
>Imagine a world where Catholicism was visually demonstrably the correct faith
That's not true at all in the setting, though. Orthodoxy still exists, it's just implied that the schism was mended.
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>>78977156
I mean when there's literal hell spawn marching. The issue seems a bit small by comparison.
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where do you find a link to the discord
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>become pope
>bring indulgences back at the accessible price of 0.1 shekels
>use ex cathedra papal infallibility to make it irrevocable
>save all of humanity for all time
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>>78942159
Lovely art
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>>78976992
>how do you sell people on the opposition though? who sees the fact that heaven and hell are real and decides they want to be on the hell side?
There may be a few approaches.

1. Once you start thinking evil thoughts or doing evil deeds, demonic posession sets in and you no longer control your own thoughts and actions. So in a heat of rage you kill someone and now are set on the path to damnation. "God could never forgive me" so you never try and instead spiral downwards. Especially with the gates of hell open, minor chacter flaws may be exploited by unseen powers to damn someone.

2. You have extremely heretical religious views. Good is bad and bad is good. God is a tyrant, Satan is the righteous rebel. God is racist sexist homophobic. Etc. Never underestimate peoples' abilities to delude themselves or to believe what they choose to believe rather than what evidence suggests is real.

3. "I wouldn't know what hell is like. I intend to live forever." - delusions of immortality and power. Perhaps demon-influenced.

And so on, I'm sure you can think of other reasons.
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>>78937370
I ran a game with the PCs in the Austro-Hungarian army at the beginning of the war at the siege of Przemysl. It was fun, but I'm shit at pronunciations.
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>>78967612
>The problem is that their reach exceeds their grasp and they never admit they are wrong because they, as the one true church, speak with the authority of God's voice and God does not make mistakes.

The Catholic Popes (all of them) have made two pronouncements ex-cathedra, and they're the only two absolutes that cannot be revoked so far, other than the Bible. Everything else has been up for debate, it's just some people prefer certain arguments over others, so many very old ideas are still around.
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> Be You
> Garrison Commander of Sector 7718
> Relatively comfortable post holding position B
> One day long range radio activates
> Young radio officer answers it before you can pretend to have a bad connection
> Voice comes through command frequency, gives an order to occupy position E in your sector in advance of major heretic movement
> Sweat drips down your brow
> Position E was abandoned before you were even born, everything past D is unmapped trenchland
> Huge populations of antitheists have migrated in the tunnels between here and there
> Not to mention the uncountable mines left untriggered
> Wat do
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ok lads, ive looked for this art book for years, i remember having it when i was like 10 back in 2003, it had a VERY similar feel to mikes art, but it was about robots, one of the factions had like, zombiebots, and one of the factions was pacifists or something, i just remember it had a 'Not-Swastika' manjibot
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>>78936718
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>>78981849
Was it "50 robots to draw and paint" by Keith Thompson? doesn't have zombies robots, but it has this dude.
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>>78982074
no, but that was another one of the books i read, this was like, a zombie in ww2 helmet, with a gun embedded in it and i think some ammo belts coming out of the pelvis into the gun?
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Cool art, but where's the christian mythology? This is just 40k tier overt inspiration of surface level pop cult catholic&orthodox aesthetics
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So is the idea here that the battle of Armageddon has dragged on into a standstill?
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>>78982115
I know what picture you're describing, don't have the picture saved but it's also by Keith Thompson and i found it right now just by googling Keith.
Don't know about the art book though.
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>>78982160
oh shit there it is, shame its Pinterest.
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>>78919613
do the 41%
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>>78930027
Because it's just a waifu. Look at the that body. It's just a fetishy pornish pic.
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>>78982160


LEICHEOBERSCHÜTZE

Many commanders panic as the Allied forces press on to Berlin. Some disappear, others commit suicide, and most don blinders to the future, continuing their tasks regardless of the futility. A select few however begin to pull back from directionless rationalism and pore over the occult texts so commonly passed around among the officer classes. This infusion of unwholesome study coupled with the inventiveness of a strained weapons industry has seen soldiers unable, or unwilling to continue defense of the Fatherland return to the front cinched into obscene contraptions. These mutilated puppets are often left behind during controlled retreats, erupting from piles of corpses amidst the oncoming Allied troops working their way through the wreckage.
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>>78977988
The pope start emitting crypto indulgence.
humanity salvation depends on the server keeping running.
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>>78940527
that is just a M110 scalled to 11. As much as I like his designs, they are lacking actuall originality or causality when it comes to using rl gear from WW2 or past it in a WW1 setting.
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>>78943313
Feels like a female berserker armored Guts.
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>>78976391
There's a little bit of nuance, in that God isn't active in the same way Hell is. God doesn't seem to share his plans anymore, they have to be divined through the use of horrific technology>>78962575
The "first Heresy">>78934806 doesn't say that God isn't real, but rather that he's not interested in the well being of humanity
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>>78956728
Yes, assault guns (or their predecessors) made their debut in WW1, but my claim isn't wrong.

The specific design that the artist used as his baseline was a mid-1940s ISU-152; very visually distinct from late 1910s vehicles like the St.Chamond.
Armored vehicles of the period tended to be far bulkier, owing to their naval heritage. The modern ~3-5 crew casemate configuration used there didn't really become widespread for a decade or two after the end of the war.

It'd be like having P-51s in place of the biplanes and triplanes of WW1. Sure, they're both piston fighters, but a lot can change within that category in 20-30 years. The difference might not be quite as dramatic as with aviation, but it's still pretty noticeable regardless.
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>>78980628
Wibble.
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>>78982220
thats the fucker, god i loved those books, way better than the how to draw anime books i kept ending up with.
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>>78982074
Why not just have robot feet?
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>>78983389
in the pic is says meat is easy to replace, but the feet are replaced daily, so i think the artist just wanted meat feet, and then designed reasoning around it?
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What concerns me is the idea that if we can conceptualize it, it may become reality at some point
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>>78982451
The artworks show plenty of non-WW1 items, so I wouldn't sweat it so much.
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>>78980628
Saddle up boys and let's make sure those goat/dog fuckers know the Lord is on our side.

And pray we live to see another day.
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>>78914526
fucking what?

I literally started making an RPG system based around this shit two weeks ago

how have I never heard of this?
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>>78982220
This is pretty stupid. The Germans never mutilated bodies, and also despised ugliness and always strove to represent the beauty of the human form in their art.

This is more like something the soviets would do.
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>>78984357
You mean except the various people making lampshades out of human skin, performing live experiments on Jews and the numerous examples of torturing civilians?
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>>78962575
kinda sick,someone saw a pic of a harlequin ichtyosis baby and decided to make it some freaky person
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>>78984471
>>78984357
I'm glad you started this when the thread is about to die.
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>>78984471
>You mean except the various people making lampshades out of human skin
I thought that was bullshit.

>performing live experiments on Jews and the numerous examples of torturing civilians

This not so much though, thanks to Nazis we know a shit ton about hypothermia.
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>>78984741
>The Germans never did [bad shit]
>Oh well, they did [bad shit] but it was actually good
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>>78965864
This dude doesn't even fight on the front lines.
He goes straight to hell to fight demons.
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>>78984471
Imagine being retarded enough to still believe almost century old wartime propaganda with no proof.
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>>78985364
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
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>>78985221
She does the same >>78943313
I wonder if he's ever going to touch on the presence of women in the army, since neither Christians nor the military like them very much
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>>78985364
>Imagine being such a shitter that you can't greentext.
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>>78985659
I imagine it'll glossed over though given the state of things I also imagine any able bosied soul is good enough
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>>78985599
>Proof
>Wikipedia
Meanwhile CIA was engaging in torture and brainwashing experimentation; and USSR was literally impaling people on sticks
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>>78971068
>implying it dies to bullets.
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>>78986339
Well yeah but when every group and nation is capable of being so fucked up why would the third reich be an exception?
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>>78986339
>It's okay that they're doing blatantly evil shit, all the other evil organisations are ALSO doing blatantly evil shit!
Flawless logic, once again /pol/tard.
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>>78986498
Because the /pol/emic thinks methed out racists are kewl dudes.
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>>78986498
>>78986520
The third reich was built on the honor of the German nation. Their fatal flaw was they fought against the honorless, who could only maintain zeal against the Germans by slandering them.
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>>78986660
>being this fucking dumb.

ManIhopeyouarent.jpeg
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>>78986498
/pol/fags think the people who'd literally kill them just as brutally as they'd kill everyone else (remember, like 90% of /pol/ are just LARPing kids and aren't actually white) are cool people who can do no wrong.



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