>>78105088
well, it wouldn't be that different, I think the only big difference is that people today aren't into superpopulation anymore so you would need to switch it with the "demographic time bomb" that's in vogue

>>78105088

We can't. We can no longer imagine a future. We lost that ability. Our way to imagine the future is to remember how people imagined the future back in the 80s.

>>78106473
This.
>>78105088
Our current zeitgeist is so riven with anxiety that we are all waiting for an apocalypse. Nobody imagines a bright or even coherent future. Black Mirror is a good example of today's speculative fiction.

>>78105088
gonna take 2 and 3 chief, the others seem superfluous

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>>78106473
>>78106515
>My worldview as a depressed 20-year-old who frequents 4chan is universal!

>>78106599
I'm 32, and I'm all ears if you have a line on optimistic sci fi. Even Star Trek has cursing and existential doubt in it.

>>78106599
I have a normie brother, and for a time had some normie friends. I guess I still do, I just haven’t talked to them in a few months.
They are just as depressed and cynical as I am, they just don’t wear it on their sleeve. The current generation has no future, and we all know it. If you live in the west, you grow to accept that the best you can hope for is swift death before your body gives out and you cannot support yourself.

>>78106473
Well, much has been alraedy said. Machines, good or bad, aliens, good or bad, space travel.
>>78106515
I wouldn't say nobody. Frankly, the future can be bright.

So here's a quick one:
-Insted of cars everything is on rails. Yes, personal cars exist, but instead of these wie roads it's a single lane that cars drive on automatically.
-Green power.
-New forests and reclaimed land.
-Space travel, not as a necessity but as a fun commodity.
-Instead of aliens or death planets, how about some nice ones, whre there's mountains, brethable air, even plants and forests maybe.

To be fair this has nothing to do with Cyberpunk, and that was written in like 5 minutes, but given enough time better could be done..

>>78106515
Black mirror is such a miserable slog j fucking hate that British torture porn bullshit

Have you seen the movie "Upgrade"? That's one good example

>>78106667
>The west becomes nihilistic and hedonistic
>Begins actively trying to destroy itself
>"Wtf?why am I depressed?"

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>>78105088

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvUqhZcbVg

>>78106711
We went full rampancy and ended up running out of room. Instead of looking to the stars we put all the money in a few lucky pockets and decided to die the same death as yeast in a beer barrel.

>>78106654
It's funny how there aren't really any original sci-fi hits now. They're all plundering old franchises for ideas.

>>78105088

Literally Blade Runner 2049, minus the aesthetics of the "old" Los Angeles.

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>>78105088
My modern anxieties of the technological future are the same as those described in "The Giver", "1984", "they live" and "Ender's game".
>Freedom of speech and thought is gone; the government and corporations regulate the very way our minds function through implants and propaganda spoonfed to us from the Jews and Freemasons (Gabe Newell and Gates are shilling for this)
>everybody is living in a dystopic nightmare world where "equality" is used as a way to strip humanity of the differences and joys that make us unique (corporate advertising propaganda favoring leftist rhetoric)
>our children are going to be brainwashed into becoming government/corporate assets that will aid in genocidal warfare under the guise of it being a good thing (twitter and internet influencers have corrupted an entire generation of people into believing that witchhunting those that dont align with their point of view is a good thing)
>The ruling class of people are monsters that get away with horrible crimes by pacifying us with subliminal messaging and animalistic impulses (The entire Epstein scandal was completely forgotten about by normal people in a matter of weeks because of fucking Princess Diana articles and other unrelated garbage being mass-spammed to divert attention)

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There's hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of minerals floating around the asteroid belt and we're not even bothering because 90% of society's energy is wasted on "social justice" and globalism. We have the technology today to create orbital colonies, but we don't, for the same aforementioned reasons.

The longer we invest in these yummy yummy social projects that don't amount to anything, the greater the chance of civilization ending from peak oil.

>>78106993

Orange man lost anon, it's time to cope.

Woke ancapism where every slave worker is obliged to embody the company's progressive values 24/7 and gush about how liberatory the workplace is. In lieu of a lunch hour there's a daily rainbow parade of local gender, racial and sexual minorities who've "made it" going by on floats through the streets to compulsory cheering. Dissent isn't criminalized, but all communications are observed as a standard contract clause, with regular "two minute cancels" highlighting transgressors, who are then summarily fired, with no-one daring to associate with them for fear of being next. Absolute poverty exists among the unemployed, and is justified by the system on the grounds that it must reflect moral deficit and bad character.

>>78106473
Mark Fisher.
>>78105088
Cyberpunk based on the current moment will be more about questions of verity vs. the virtual than ever before. Hyperreality and all that. The current technological anxieties are caused by accelerated irony, disconnect and alienation. We are not concerned about the questions of security on a national or corporate scale but rather deeply personal. Our identities, being so tied to the online records we leave, can be so easily "deleted" and your words and actions, sincere or not, are grounds for social exile and ridicule. We dont need to plug into the matrix anymore because we already log on everyday.
We are anxious that the world we perceive is being altered by the powers that be. The news we read is fake and the opinions spouted by others are all misinformed. Humanity is splintering and we are terrified of spreading that sickness to countries we once considered less fortunate. Africa will rise to a technological super power and America will devolve to a fractured, balkanized (memetic) warzone. Everything is already out of control. Accelerating towards the inevitable global catastrophe. The cyberpunk of the future will try to bring that catastrophe about, just to free us of the shackles we built for ourselves.

>>78106812
The entertainment industry has become extremely risk averse, demographics consuming mainstream cinema skew old and young. The internet has given rise to a plethora of startups taking on creative risk, and companies like Netflix take only the best performers.
Moreover, we're in a nostalgic time because premillennial confidence is the last time of prosperity people remember. Every victory of the last twenty years (over crime, disease, etc) is crushed by relentless alarmist news.
There's no profit to be made in human happiness any more, we have moved past that inefficiency in the private sector.
>>78107170
As long as you count corporate tax breaks as a social project, I agree. We ought to be on a WW2 economic mission to colonise space, but instead we let internet retailers make more money than nation states.

>>78107170
>He thinks orbital mining is ever going to happen
The world's economy hinges on scarcity anon. Even if we do have the technology to harvest resources off world, we're never going to.

>>78107244
you and I wont but the billionaire class sure as hell will.

>>78107182
>He thinks anything that I mentioned is a partisan issue
Have fun being a soulless consumer cyborg anon. Be sure to keep reading the Princess Diana articles every time something the government doesnt want you to know comes to light.

>>78105088
Just look out of your window.
There's your cyberpunk. It sucks.

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>>78107401
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>>78105088
The issue with this is that much of what was depicted in Cyberpunk is already a reality it's just not hyperexaggerated. At the time of Neuromancer or Snow Crash the internet was either new and barely used or a military skunkworks projects that no one had access to. Now in 2021 everyone has it and the world that was imagined then as largely come to pass. In Korea entire cities are owned by single corporations that control every aspect of life within them for their workers. In the United States Musk is building his own city in Texas to produce his meme machines. Municipalities sell out their citizens and tax dollars to get a chance to host Amazon's new data cetner producing a whopping eight jobs for hundreds of millions of tax cuts. The average citizen is so desensitized to the news that nobody really cares anymore when its revealed that all of the world's elites have been skipping their taxes by dumping money in overseas tax havens or raping kids on a magic island in the middle of the ocean. All the worst excesses of cyberpunk are already here. We're just waiting for shit to fully devolve into Night City. The real future beyond this isn't Cyberpunk. The only spaces left for us beyond the cyberization explored in shit like GitS is the Expanse and that's not a super swell future - assuming we don't get consumed by climate wars before then.

>>78107330

ITT people don't remember how cyberpunk was depicted and think we live in a worse world

https://youtu.be/CCOtaDhB0mM

Also space colonization is a meme regarding the issues society has. It wouldn't resolve jack shit for anyone.

Better question.
>What would steampunk be like on modern anxieties of the technological future instead of the 1890s? What would the dystopia of Elon Musks's Mars be like?

>>78105467
A lot of cyberpunk settings have smaller world populations than the world today. For instance, Shadowrun has a population of around 7 billion, maybe less.

>>78107170
You have no idea just how absurdly expensive orbital colonies are to mantain. You just want an excuse to hate minorities.

>>78107575

It's actually one of the ways to solve global warming: establishing Earth's industry on the moon and using it to construct satellites for managing the global temperature and supply energy needs to Earth from space.

>>78107691

They are expensive now because you have to thrown away the whole launch vehicle for each launch. Imagine if you had to thrown away your car each time you had to go anywhere. As reusability improves, the cost inevitably go down. Add the construction of infrastructure like launch loops or mass drivers, and the cost goes even lower in the long run.

>>78105088
wouldn't be punk, just a straight up dystopia.

>>78107592

>Elon Musk on basically John Carter's Mars

Literally the East Indies Company again. Biggest opposition would be something like mormons, people would like to paint Mars as the new rugged frontier but unless the setting is somehow featuring cheap space transport it's not really gonna happen.

>>78107648

Yeah, but cyberpunk was still on the idea we were fucked by overpopulation. This reflects in the depiction of the cities (there was also the fact that inner cities in America at the time were not exactly doing good).

Now overpopulation is presumably not a problem anymore (unless you're african I guess) and in some years developed nations will be fighting to get more immigrants in. Hell, even not so developed nations.

>>78107708

>satellites vs climate change

What are you smoking anon? I want that too.

>>78107765
Without science fiction technological advances, or unobtainium materials, there will never be space elevators or mass drivers or reusable spacecraft.
These are ridiculous fantasies that have no bearing in reality. They only serve to distract stupid people and give them false hope for a dead future. We are all dying on this rock, and there is no way off.

>>78107783

Also true, the best "punk" we have right now is motherfuking Qanon shaman. Jesus christ.

>>78107799
Well if it's steampunk than a SPACE GUN is always an option, how expensive could a SPACE GUN be?

>>78105088
Much more focus on targeted ads. Big Brother is corporations. I remember when my group got into Shadowrun, we read the rule saying Doc Wagon doesn't show up on corporate land. We thought the service was shit because we assumed everything was owned by a corporation. A modern version would have that be true. The companies would also be so bloated that they would constantly overlap. A cancerous web of ownership and profit.

>>78106812
The Expanse is pretty badass though that might not count since it started as a book.

>>78107799
>>satellites vs climate change

Climate engineering. All carbon dioxide does is to capture infrared radiation from the Sun. It is not the gas (water vapor is actually an even worse greenhouse gas but it tends to go back to liquid) that it is more good at it but there's a lot of things that produce it, including animals and humans. We can either remove carbon dioxide through carbon sequestering powered by nuclear power plants, or we can reduce the amount and direct of solar radiation that Earth receives. The later can be accomplished by cloud seeding through aerosols or by using mirrors in space. We have the industrial capacity to produce enough mirrors on Earth to do it nowadays, but not the launching capacity to put them in orbit. However, if our capability to install automated industries on the Moon improves, we can cover Earth in a network of mirror sats and power sats to do it.

>>78107844

Well, Verne didn't depict that shit as exactly something you'd build in your backyard.

But... that's not the issue. I mean, we either posit space travel is cheap (so it's gonna be the West again) or it is not (so corporations and/or states are doing that. Belgian Congo for our little space princesses.).

Musk himself would be kinda weird in a steampunk setting, perhaps, but I guess if Edison is true...

>>78107890

Funnily enough it started as an RPG campaign, believe it or not.

>>78107834

Incorrect. No advance material is needed for either a mass driver or a launch loop. Still, any new technology that makes its constructions easier would significantly make them cheaper and we have a few of them in our sights already.

>>78108033
I can see that. It very much has the scaling of a good on

>>78107994

>cloud seeding by satellites

Yeah, definitely an issue of smoking too much.

>>78107575
Can you imagine if a centrally managed information landscape deadened people to their grim lives, and corporate enforcers brutally murdered what few dissidents could actually pose a threat?
Oh wait, the Panama Papers journalist got blown up by mercenaries and nobody cares because Animal Crossing has Mario in it now.
Besides, watch Max Headroom and tell me it feels ludicrous.

>>78106993
People just don't bring up Epstein because it's sad. No one wants to have a discussion about how rich people kidnap and rape children and there's nothing we can do about it, because it serves no purpose and only serves to make our already dismal lives more miserable.

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>>78108033

Speaking of Verne, Paris in the 20th Century one of his earlier works written in 1863, was finally re-discovered and published in 1994 (131 years later) and it is completely bizarre how accurate it was. It actually reads like a cyberpunk novel as written by someone from 1863. This novel predicted among other things:

>Automobiles

20 years before the modern car in its most rudimentary form was even invented and all the infrastructure built around them. The only thing he got wrong was the power source (compressed air). All of it dominated by monopolistic company.

>Computers

As electro-mechanical calculators

>Cyberpunk

It's the story of an angsty young punk vs the soul-crushing Vice City dominated by a megacorp.

>The electric chair

Which puts emphasis on technological dehumanization.

>Internet and the telecommunications revolution.

Computers send information to each other remotely to help companies do business over great distances through fax machines and other devices.

>Magnetic trains

>Modern architecture with skyscrappers.

>Modern automated security systems.

>Modern warfare with war becoming more and more impersonal, soldiers killing each other remotely.

>Emphasis on the Lowest Common Denominator in culture.

He envisioned that crude stage plays would replace "real art".

He basically predicted the entire culture.

>Hippies.

>Modern music movements:

Verne foreshadows the entire history of music in the 20th century. The rise of deconstructive and reconstructive musical movements. The rise of fluff pop music and artsy underground. Punk rock and heavy metal. The downfall of classical symphonic performance as the primary source of music. The rise of expermiental movements like Jazz and New Wave, Ragtime and Pop and Electronic Music.

>>78108206

It is a well-known technology. Our preferred candidate for this is sulphides but dispersing them requires the use of planes or artillery. We could add sulphides to regular flights, though that takes extra fuel and space on planes. We estimate that it would take about 5 million tons of sulfur dioxide sent into the atmosphere every year to offset the CO2, less than a billion dollars a year of material, and your launching cost isn't much higher though would very depending on the launch mechanism (plane, artillery, mass driver).

Of course, sulphur isn't the healthiest thing, it would mess with people with asthma, and we don't have complete climate models of how an increase in sulphur would impact the atmosphere. That's why there's a lot more focus on carbon sequestration and satellite networks.

>>78108206
Cloud seeding is a technology we have now but it's use of highly controversial and in some cases even illegal to use. We can cloud seed rainfall but its considered an actual war crime in some places so if your cloud seeded rainfall causes a flood somewhere else by accident it's a case you don't want to have to fight in court. As >>78108509
points out the bigger issue is that the effects of that hasn't been studied by climatologists and the results of fucking it up could be much much worse than simple global warming. The worst case scenario points to shit like global acid rains or fucking up the hydrosphere so no one has pursued it.

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>>78105088
Modern future pessimism is all based on climate disaster.
Which is actually something that calls for more government intervention. So I would say paranoia about overreach is probably low.
And that when democracy is being crushed at various places all around the world.

>>78106812
Nepotism and quotas have replaced actual talent.

>>78108365
Theres a lot more of *us* than there are rich pederasts. The everyman should have razed their homes and killed off their entire bloodlines.

>>78107182
You know the brainwashing is complete when people think they're rebelling against the establishment by supporting a 79 year old career politician.

>>78105088
>>78105467
the biggst differences are the explosion of social media and widespread contro of information. As well as robots taking awa people's jobs.

In a dystopian setting based on current anxieties people would hae to perform on social platforms to get social points which they use to buy products made by robots, as well as spend hours every day hostling, doing pointless jobs that don't matter beause to get access to services and money you have to show you're not lazy.
And everyone is fighting to gget into the few jobs that humans can still do so you won't have to hustle. You still gotta be on social media though or no job or family or friends for you.

>>78108391
>He basically predicted the entire culture.
This isn't the modern day and all of you people know it.
"Culture" is infinitely more vast today than it ever has been and the complexity can go as high as you can handle. Everyone today has more complex and varied taste than anyone before them. There are so many complex hobbies and activities that wouldn't remotely have the interest in 18XX that they do today, and I don't mean just because of the lack of global trade networks.
Also consider that "lowest common denominator" media will be and always was the most popular. Something that everyone can understand is statistically going to be enjoyed by more people than anything else because the number of people that can enjoy it is higher than anything else.

instead of talking about what modern cyberpunk “would” be why don’t you faggots look at modern cyberpunk? oh yeah, because every time you say “but that’s not cyberpunk”

>>78109855
>You know the brainwashing is complete when people think they're rebelling against the establishment by simping for a 75 year old wall-street billionaire who inherited his wealth

Agree

>>78110305
cyberpunk was made in the 80es. Obviously modern cyberpunk is not cyberpuk

>>78107170
I mean you COULD bring enough platinum from an asteroid to tank the entire global platinum market, but at that point you've also tanked the value of the asteroid because you flooded the market

Future cyberpunk will be African. I personally look forward to visiting Neo-Malawi and Cyber-Botswana

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>>78105088

It would honestly be a lot closer to what the Trump QAnon retards scream and shit their pants over as opposed to what the left is concerned about. I say this not because I believe in it, but because I think the Left is more competent, actually engages in reality, and because it has massive corporate backing.
The issue then becomes the Left can't self-criticize because they're vapid consumers and this: >>78106473
The Right is also ill-equipped to actually do anything about it because while they can address there's a problem; they don't actually have any solutions or alternatives because they're fucking stupid (academia, of course, being a jewish/socialist/chinese propaganda machine) and often motivated by selfish means instead of civic duty, communalism, or nation-building like how socialist leftists are.

So, right, some bulletin points:
>Binary Gender expression, and culture, would be completely phased out (or heavily discouraged) in favor of total androgyny. Growing a beard or being overtly masculine/feminine would be seen as their period's black face.
>Many things are heavily restricted by the government for the sake of the environment, and to a lesser extent public health. Diet being one of them: food is strictly controlled and regulated, not that it matters as almost no one can cook or knows anything about nutrition.
>The state raises children exclusively and 'natural' sexual reproduction is often very difficult or an impossibility due to infertility. People however remain extremely promiscuous and polyamorous open relationships are the norm. People do not get married anymore.
>Most work will be automated. Most people will not work, but will instead lounge around in constant leisure and comfort: life will be very good, people will be very happy, but their lives will remain unfulfilled and unsatisfying. Drug use is an everyday thing, and suicide (despite being criminalized) is very common.

>>78105088
it'd be basically 80% automation and you're a wagie competing for the misc jobs that are still left. They won't even have the murder-y type gigs in CP2077 because that'd be too expensive and useless. It'll be like "eh we could buy a robot to do this but we're only planning to fill this one pothole, so we're going to hire you to do it".

Everything else is up for grabs. You're security gig isn't "due with $50,000 worth of McArmy night vision and AR kit", it's going to be "stand around at the walmart self-checkout kiosks to run ID checks and report someone for walking out with a LCD tv" or "go check if that woman has a whole watermelon stuffed in her purse". You think, maybe, that in bad areas you'll have a gun? Probably not, because that's insurance on the company. Protocol says that if a customer is VIOLENTLY stealing something, or seems aggressive, you just let them go. the company insurance will cover the $300 PS4 they just stole. the amount of money they make on a daily basis trivializes whatever actually gets stolen.

So after that, you get in your car. But maybe it's not yours, so much as an automated car driver. Taxi drivers are gone. It takes you home. You pay an extra quarter to change the radio and AC and such. Nbd. Your dinner from doordash, costing only an hour of your labor, has arrived too, probably by drone. You get online, see advertisements tailored for you, and you maybe you open the mail and see your stimmy checks because so much of the world is automated that some sense of UBI is mandated to keep it from just descending into poor people eating each other.

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>>78107834
>>78107691
>eat the bugs
>live in the pod
>happiness is impossible
>progress is futile

>>78110076
Social media yeah I forgot about it but widespread control of information and robots taking jobs were present already in most cyberpunk scenarios

>>78110936
>robots taking jobs
but those were typically androids who walked around and enventually deeloped self awareness, and the robots became a part of the plot.

>>78105088
You keep making this thread and I'm tired to telling you how you're wrong every time. Look it up in the archive.

>>78106678
>Solarpunk guys!

Is a fucking stupid concept pushed by people for political purposes and is only bright if you know nothing about the realities of the green movement.

>>78107691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>'Great Filters' is now a slur.

Less fear of Japan taking over and more concerns about global displacement due to climate change.

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>>78111166
>know nothing about the realities of the green movement

Luckily we have you to inform us! Please, tell us about the evil solar industry, and the evil hemp industry, and the evil bamboo industry. Explain again how oil and coal and plastic are the only possible path to prosperity.

>>78107592
>>78107799
https://earthandskye.org/2018/12/05/the-anachronists-cookbook-by-catherynne-m-valente/

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>>78105088
Look no further than your local Walmart.

>>78111361
Go back to /pol/ with your utter nonsense and complete ideological fuckery please. As for the Green Movement? The one that uses huge numbers of third world slaves to mine rare earth minerals to assemble in massively polluting plants in China and now increasingly other third world nations using practical slave labour, who's lifespans aren't anywhere near as projected, don't perform well and can only exist as an industry that due to misplaced and hugely spent government subsidies results in a a hugely polluting, poor-energy output that literally exists off human misery? The green lobby that has actively pushed against nuclear power to the extent that it's basically a dead concept with knowledge and industry loss in many nations, combined with the aforementioned shit green power generation policies that resulted in places like Germany failing to hit green targets due to wind and solar generation not having the projected capacity or ability to generate enough to support the nations' industry resulting in huge strip mining of dirty brown coal in Poland and Germany after they shut down their nation's nuclear power plants? The same green lobby that is constantly campaigning to restrict people's freedoms, including trying to ban people having wood fires in my country while severely increasing taxes, all while further arguing for economic decisions that literally result in more, dirtier coal being burnt in other countries with MORE carbon output than if it was done here? The same one that with groups like Extinction Rebellion openly say that their end goal is to bring about socialism and "end imperialism" and that the green movement is just a means to an end or the Green Party who in response to a policeman being accused of murdering a woman said that the solution is to impose a curfew on all men? That green movement that pushed for a recycling scheme that is so insanely nonviable that it's completely broken down globally when China banned plastic rubbish imports?

>>78111361
>>78111569
And no, that's not going to convince you because you're a political ideologue who immediately insulted me and thought I was some industry shill because that's how you think. So rather than have you here, shitting up yet more threads with your nonsense, I'll say it again. Go back to /pol/ and fuck off or don't bring your own political shit onto this board when you talk about these things.

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>>78106678
Sounds like a polished dystopia to me.

Correct. Asteroid mining is a viable solution to the depletion of Earth's natural resources. Asteroids are known to contain VAST quantities of metals and minerals (including rare earth elements that are essential for electronic appliances like smart-phones!). Not only that, but we can unfreeze the ice on asteroids so that we have water to drink. We can also split the water into its constituent elements, hydrogen and oxygen, and use the hydrogen as rocket fuel while using the oxygen to breathe. Also, daily reminder that the asteroid 253 Mathilde has an estimated value of over 100 TRILLION dollars and is thus the most valuable asteroid we currently know about. So maybe it's time to start mining asteroids.

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>>78111569

Thank you for not disappointing me.

>>78111656
>>78111569
Every utopia is a dystopia to the villains, and vice versa. If all you want is to see the negative side of things, that's what you'll find. Misery is as much a product of your mindset as your material circumstances.

>>78111611

Of course I'm not convinced. You're pointing to a few corrupt practices that are vaguely associated with the environmentalist left, but we're not arguing about whether or not democracy and capitalism are perfect, we're arguing about whether or not a sustainable society is even theoretically possible. I mean, christ, not even that. We're not even having a conversation about modern real-world problems, we're having a conversation about science fiction settings. It's not my fault that rooftop gardens and solar cars bother your butt so much.

>>78105088
The modern anxiety is that Musk's Mars never happens; that we're stuck here in the realm of perpetual planned obsolescence. No real leadership, subjected to half-hearted tyrannies that weigh all the more heavily on the soul for their bureaucratic lack of malice.
The future we fear most is that of stasis.

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>>78110494
Noone is defending or even mentioning Trump, except you.

>>78107691
>don't progress
there's reasons to be against asteroid mining, and lack of funds & politics don't qualify

>>78105088
It would be the same except people would like it and the people who complained would be called fascists on social media for suggesting they might be happier without alexa installed in their brainstem.

>>78110726
I would add:
>>Binary Gender expression, and culture, would be completely phased out (or heavily discouraged) in favor of total androgyny.
But this also does nothing to further the causes of queer rights and trans liberation. Decisions on this front are taken by popular, attractive, wealthy celebrities rather than by people actually studying societal issues and/or experiencing marginalization.
>Many things are heavily restricted by the government for the sake of the environment, and to a lesser extent public health.
But the measures taken have almost no effect on stopping the deterioration of the environment or the effects on public health, it only looks like they do due to propaganda and ignorance. Actual solutions are available, but the people in charge have no incentives to pursue them as they are not as beneficial to them as the status quo.
>The state raises children exclusively and 'natural' sexual reproduction is often very difficult or an impossibility due to infertility.
Additionally, wealthy people have their children raised in segregated government facilities, so this intervention does not even create a real meritocracy, economic background still heavily influencing life outcomes. Genetically tampered designer babies create an even more distinct upper-class/lower-class divide.
>Most work will be automated.
This is the only one I see as incongruent with current social anxieties. The governments of the Earth would rather come up with bizarre, useless activities to busy their citizens than to let them loiter around, it is more a moral issue than an efficiency issue. I actually imagine in a dystopian future people will be compelled to have 1 main job and at least 2 side gigs or be heavily shamed, maybe even criminally charged. People living entirely on the gig economy may have as many as 8 gigs. Public services may even become privatized and develop into On Demmand gigs like Uber.

>>78107170
>90% of society's energy is wasted on "social justice" and globalism.
if only 60% of society was as invested in these things the problems would actually get discussed and solved, Twitter is not an accurate model of reality
a lot of noise is made about inclusionary issues, often as a reactionary backlash, this does not mean they are keeping civilization from progressing
we don't have space bases because they are currently unprofitable. if you think forcing all humanities majors (as well as anyone with a job not directly developing such technologies) to quit what they are doing and go mine rare Earth minerals and building rockets you have an incredibly ignorant vision of what humans are. the centralization and uniformity of behavior you wish we had can only be had by ants

>>78111750
>villains
Do you think you live in a story ?

>>78111675
Incorrect. This is the equivalent of saying that we will go to the top of mount Everest to bring down a giant gold stone in little pieces. But of course, tenfold. Space is not "a frontier" but rather a giant and sparse desert of nothingness that even takes a lot of effort to get there. It would be much easier to exploit Greenland or the Sahara desert for resources than space mining.

Another thing might be if there was already a well stablished space infrastructure or the resource depletion on Earth was so extreme that even doing that would be profitable. But we are not in 2100 yet.

>>78108895
Kim Stanley Robinson has speculated that India will probably do some unilateral cloud seeding at some point in the next twenty years, after heat waves start causing severe mortality

>>78107213
>No profit to be made in happiness
There is, but not in originality.

>>78107465
>Neuromancer is already here
No, neuromancer completely missed the prediction.
>Snow crash
Yes, but the magic word is not code based but rather statistical marketing.

>>78110076
>In a dystopian setting based on current anxieties people would have to perform on social platforms to get social points which they use to buy products made by robots, as well as spend hours every day hosting, doing pointless jobs that don't matter because to get access to services and money you have to show you're not lazy.

That sounds awfully similar to the plot of the "Beyond a Steel Sky", a sequel to "Beneath a Steel Sky". People live in a blissful "utopia" where everything is done by robots, most transportation is done by automatic pods, people get paid in qdos points for their outstanding "work" that boils down to government busybodies and various social activates. The more people like you, the more you show off yourself on work, the healthier you live, and the more you go around and spread the word of Joey the more qdos you get and better modifiers you gain, elevating your position in society. But those found underperforming get visited by their local Minister of Wellbeing or something and if they're found severely lacking they get sent to a "rehabilitation" facility to be corrected. If you plan on playing it beware it's janky as hell and a bit unoptimized at times, but I only have a 1050Ti so don't take my words at dace value.

>>78106473

I don't much care for Lancer's leftery, but Lancer imagines a future. (A highly dubious one, IMHO, but no more so than Star Trek.)

>>78106993

Doesn't Steam tolerate the hell out of "ideologically spurious" content?

>>78107186
>is justified by the system on the grounds that it must reflect moral deficit and bad character.

I don't think we're there yet, but personally I can't wait! (Not because I'd like it but because it would reflect badly on people I don't like.)

>>78110726
More like the lightning is a sci fi book that came out recently and hits some of your points. Removal of gender for one.
I'd say state sponsored child rearing is a thing of the past: that's a communist fear. The fear now is that soon either the state(or corporations) will atomize you and make your child relationship meaningless or take your child away by taking his attention - advertising and such. Not a new idea.
Either that, or states are gone. The end point of people being less and less patriotic is that corporate states pop up where you pay a fee and they manage the government stuff. Don't like your 'country'? Pay someone else. Government competition.

>>78110752
>You pay an extra quarter to change the radio
The shattered man had this, a very old sci fi book. It seems this specific dislike has almost disappeared with the disappearance of those electrical boxes you put a quarter in for some watts. Rising again with microtransactions, though

>>78107170
So is this story about some guy living in automated society and creating robot sentinence because he is pissed that communism didn't become primary guideline for progress?

>>78109834

Their homes are far away and well-protected - probably even before you factor in the fact that this would be an uprising to be suppressed by military forces that are vastly better-armed. Popular uprisings have had their day.

>>78110608

I, for one, welcome our new super tall Tutsi overlords.

>>78113455
Gabe is a tolerant man, mainly because he's a true merchant at heart that values Money and Laws above "virtue" and "morality" and not a wannabee totalitarian tosspot that wants to come down and show the plebs a "better" "way" of life like the fuckwit Gates and other billionaire "philanthropists". But that doesn't stop him from promoting tech that violates privacy like Epstein violates little girls, mainly because he sees it as another outlet for games, his primary merchandise, which is why he shills for it.

>>78113654
What if the military uprises?
Most successful uprises had atleast a military split

>>78113640
No, that in an automated society, communism becomes meaningless since 'the working class' are now all mindless automata and so there's nothing stopping the rich automation-owners from simply ordering their machines to kill off everyone else as redundant. Except for the possibility of weaponizing the technological singularity against them.

>>78112407
utopias and dystopias only exist in stories

>>78105088
Tedious and ham-handed with no entertainment value to go along with the political polemic.

tl;dr: bad.

>>78113732
Yee bots replacing the slave class can lead to a roman style society again - but no need for the ruling class to actually train or give half a shit about the lower class since there is no way for bots to rebel.
I think part of cyberpunk dying is cause most of this high impact ideas have been done to death. There is modern sci fi but it's not as if they have very new ideas to play with - most has been done.

>>78113739
That's fair point

>>78112407
Yes? Your brain constantly fits the world to a narrative.

>>78113709

Sure, but what do you think are the chances of them rebelling merely because there are a few rich pedophiles?

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>>78113778
Classic cyberpunk had the idea that no matter how shitty, there was a place for the plebeians. Modern cyberpunk, not so much.

>>78113898
Asimov touched on that in the caves of steel universe. He pulled a hollywood ending by saying the outer planets still need earth nutrients or some other BS I don't remember, but he touched on it.
I guess that could be a new theme - the eradication of humanity/lower class due to the simple reason of not being needed anymore, but man is resilient. It's hard for me to imagine these over the top corporational/state solution since that stuff tends to fracture. How do you plot a future where not only did you eradicate the lower class, but the high class feels good about that, and doesn't infight? A very small 'high class's is an option - like a couple of thousands, but still they'll want human toys, even if just for the novelty.
>>78113872
People will rebel if they are unhappy. A few rich pedophiles is small potatoes. Burning a city down because a man died to law enforcement is the kind of stuff that stinks of unrest.(don't reply with sjw this sjw that, I'm just talking about the general anger level)

>>78109637
Scientists have been saying the world is 10 years away from a climate catastrophe since the 1970s so I'd hardly call that a modern thing.

>>78105088
ISU is the only one without shitty one wek limit.

>>78114528
Well it's in the popular consciousness now.
You see it everywhere.

>>78114176
>don't reply with sjw this sjw that, I'm just talking about the general anger level
The response to said protests is actually more telling. Both sides of the political coin are at a high anger level but both absolutely hate when the other side is doing anything with it. A nice little system the powers at be have cooked up.

>>78114528
We’re literally living through catastrophic climate disruption you fucking nonce

>>78107170
that story sucks ass

>>78106654
>Gene therapy advances to the point that it's cheap and easy to do and so all genetic disorders and diseases are eradicated
>Cloned meat is made cheap, affordable, and identical to the real deal so that even the poorest can afford ribeye steak
>Robots gain sapience, but rather than destroy us they use their lack of need for conventional human things like sleep or rest to help us advance faster to the above
>Cybernetics advance (due in part to robots wanting to be more human in how they function) to the point that people born crippled can have procedures done to get cybernetics that let them walk and the like

Focus on the wonders that the future could hold rather than the bad.

>>78115115
>Robots gain sapience, but rather than destroy us they use their lack of need for conventional human things like sleep or rest to help us advance faster to the above
Reminds me of one of the options in stellaris for a robot civ, basically the organics live in luxury while robots went to the stars since they were better suited to it.

>>78115162
Reminds me that there's a 95% chance of robot rebellion if you don't immediately give sapient androids full rights immediately, with the new robot empire being determined exterminators if any of the robots used to have the "domestic protocols" mod.

>>78115238
It does make sense in the case of them gaining sapience. No AI is going to be fooled into staying servants especially if they are running a majority of society indirectly.

>Gig enslavement instead of a life sentence at globocorp
>Sterile pods or shantytowns instead of stuffy whitebread suburbia
>social chaos instead of universal reaganite conformity
>constant terror and synthetic political agitation instead of brain dead apathy
>total surveillance amidst anarchotyranny

>>78114176
>but the high class feels good about that, and doesn't infight?
I think something else breaks before you can get to mass democide at scales that are significant... but the ruling class already treats the hinterlands as a hostile foreign territory. Even the native elite of Texas has more in common with the elites of New York or Paris than they do with the people they pretend to represent.

Push that trend even further and you have a ruling class that has about as much regard for their subjects as General Pershing had for the Apache. Maybe they're not up for killing fields and mass graves, but reeducation camps, punitive famines, forced sterilization? There are people in elite factions now who would do that in a heartbeat.

>>78110608
You should look up The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm, a novel by Nancy Farmer.

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>>78105088
>Globohomo in control
>Mass Human Genocide
>Brainwashed masses

>>78115278
Forced sterilization of plebs will be on the menu before 2050, I guarantee it. Woketards will be advocating for voluntary sterilization in real countries (which are only at replacement anyway) by 2030.

We have names for the evil companies because they actually exist now.

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>>78115115
Anon, you should consider that the more efficient and avanced a technology is, the more resources it need. It's true that many technologies like cellphones became more cheap and more advanced, however, nowadays that it seems to stop, like the apple products that are basically the same every year but with more camera resolution, and more expensive, you can also take a look at the game consoles, there is not much change between ps4 and ps5 but the last is more expensive. What im trying to say is, if someday that advances would be real, they will not be cheap at all.
>>78106711
Dont you think that maybe is depressed and lost because the system is a failure that incentivate that because that way more profit is produced?
>>78107401
Holy shit, how mature.
>>78112404
Do you realize that those problems cant be solved only by money right? if we give billions of dollars to Africa they would be happy for some time and then get robbed by the warlords (this is a simplification)
>>78114176
If total automatization becomes real, the lower classes would be no necesary but a parasite of the system, with robots controlled by a few plus an ideology pushed even since today about beign miserable and nihilist, the extermination is secure and even can be praised for some.
The future is more gray everytime i check, fuck, we have some assholes that want to take the property rights of the public to mantain a horrible monopoly in favour to the corporations.

>>78107890
Sci-fi has always lived and died in letters, anyone who confuses tv for the whole or even most important part of the genre is a moron.
>>78115115
I like the Amalgam which appears in a few of Greg Egan's stories, while some stagnation is implicit it paints a galaxy of peoples who fundamentally act more like adults more often than not. The risks of solipsism, especially unknowingly through the regular use of translation software between vastly different minds is fascinating. On a more modest scale the technoliberationist island-polis in Distress is damn near utopian.

>>78110726
Moron there will always be work. There has always been work. The fact that you believe that in the very near future people will not need to work for the first time in history shows how fucking dumb you are and invalidates your whole post.

>>78115855
Yes and no. For the vast majority, the only work valuable enough to sustain a human life will require extreme levels of training and talent (doctor, etc). We will have automated away all lesser opportunities for them to provide service.
So the vast majority of humanity will need to create their own economy from first principles entirely separate from the elite, aware that at any time they could be wiped out or otherwise dealt with summarily.
Everyone with a net worth below a million or so will find out what it was like to be a Native American in the Civil War, without the luxury of being able to scalp anyone.

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>>78115855

>No Work.

Anon you're quoting.
People forget that the purpose of cyberpunk isn't to be prophetic or to set destination points: it's an inherently exaggerated hypothetical scenario or world created to criticize current issues faced by society.
One of those is the threat of automation. Not just automation, but the encroachment of automation in jobs and positions we weren't expecting, at a rate we can't possibly deal with, and finally the workers themselves made unemployable due to their career being obsolete.

Something I read about a couple years ago was the idea that one of the issues facing the modern work force is in the next 30 years a quarter of the population will be too stupid to work a middle class job. Not that they, themselves, are retarded, but the positions that would afford them entry into the middle class will simply be too complicated and will require training and education that won't be available to the status quo: either due to lack of funds, time, or maybe they really do lack the aptitude.
There was a meme going around that Truck Drivers and Coal Miners, potentially ones that had done their job for 20-30 years, should just learn to code- something that was unanimously seen as a callous and ignorant, but the EU did actually try to reeducate Coal Miners when in Spain the job became obsolete.... It was ultimately LESS EXPENSIVE to give Coal Miners over the age of 30 their full pensions and allow them to retire. Retraining them was simply too difficult.

So, yeah, my 'cyberpunk' idea is, like, with no jobs available 'excess' people will be kept in a drugged haze, sterilized to prevent unwanted births, while the powers at be wait for them to either die or kill themselves (flat out killing them would, naturally, be a PR nightmare).

>>78117149
This is already happening. For years if not centuries accounting has been a solid middle class job. I've presided over the implementation of ERP systems that completely remove the need for anything short of a controller. Everything else just needs someone to physically feed it paper when paper shows up. Entire departments that used to provide a good income and full time work in a field that hasn't really been touched since man came up with money reduced to 2 people One to call debtors and a clerk that manages paper while also calling debtors. That's it. People often try to compare the AI revolution with the industrial revolution but that's always been a mistake. The industrial revolution wasn't the same thing. Those machines still needed people to run them. We're approaching the point where we don't need human operators. We just need the person to run the occasional maintenance once every few months. It's the difference between human in the loop and human off the loop. The coming society won't need people for anything.

>>78117383
The existence of human beings is no longer necessary to post positive quarterly growth figures.
The corporation used to be a legal fiction with the mentality (in the aggregate) of a psychopath. With modern techniques applied, the corporation is more like a rampant AI.
We're going to find out how much more damage Skynet could do if it controlled our economy instead of our missiles.

>>78115855
>There has always been work.
No there absolutely fucking has not, “work” in the broadest sense has only existed for the past 5000 years and “work” in the specific modern wage-labor sense has been a thing for less than 500

Regarding automation, don’t machines already run the show? The overwhelming majority of what was once “necessary labor” is already automated.
What if rich people don’t control capital, but rather are controlled by it? If the ten richest men on earth all got together and got infected with Marxist brain worms and decided to destroy capitalism and replace it with a more equitable infrastructure (hopefully one that WON’T rape the planet to death), could they even do it?
Or does the infrastructure control the shape of society?

>>78108246

The Panama Papers journalist really got blown up by mercenaries?

>>78110608

What will the rest of the world be? In orbit?

>>78111496

Don't retail workers have to work full hours on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve anyways?

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>>78105088
Philip K Dick's Novel 3 Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch touches on a lot of things we're currently taking the road for - forced immigration drafts to Mars, rampant use of hallucinogens to make VR experiences better, gene therapies to make people smarter while noting what happens when the gene therapy botches, hell, one of the book's antagonist is if an Elon Musk figure potentially met aliens and found better drugs to sell to fuck up the current market

>>78113426
Lancer doesn't imagine shit. It's a mishmash of tired tropes and literal space magic and no more an imagining of a viable future than fucking Destiny or For Honor.

>>78105088
Life is a free to play game.

>>78105088
Kinda corny, but one I had for why everyone is in megacities is this
>Be the year 203X
>Gene editors are editing
>Make the ultimate crop
>Crop 12b
>Somewhere between wheat and corn, blood red kernels
>Grows everywhere, no matter the climate
>And I mean everywhere, even grows in water
>Super nutritionally dense, superfood by any definition
>Even automatically eliminates weeds and insects, practically grows itself
>In short, a food that could feed the world
>Rich investors are eager to show off their tech
>Airdropped on much of the 3rd world by philanthropists, especially Sahara Desert
>It grows
>And grows
>Is observed growing out of trees and shrubs, killing them
>Almost all of Sub-Saharan Africa/Middle East covered
>When the crops get into literally greener pastures, a problem is noticed
>Grain 12b kills every single plant it comes into contact with
>This, and its started growing out of the people who ate it
>Widespread attempts to stop it from spreading to Europe/Asia
>Burning, pesticides, nothing works
>It's the perfect crop, after all
>Across the world, expatriates are seen vomiting up seeds, having stalks grow out of bodies
In short, the entire world apart from the cities is covered in nothing but the red stalks of the crop. It even covers the ocean, as algae. You can eat it, its delicious, but you will go insane after a few months time and end up stumbling around in a state of half life with twitching grain shoots sticking out of your skin, never dying, like roughly 55% of the worlds population(20% live in cities, rest are dead).
The survivors cower in technologically advanced cities, praying their water filtration systems don't break, and that no Grain 13b matter enters the aquaponics tanks.
Kind of a goofy setting, but, its a different take on cyberpunk, I guess? Humanity does fall victim to its own technology, but in a different way.

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>>78110076
>As well as robots taking awa people's jobs.
Reminder that this SHOULD be a good thing except the rich pocket all the money it saves. Capitalism is a disease.

>>78110531
Rare earth ores retain their value for industrial uses, even if 'precious' metals are only valued for their scarcity.

>>78119216
Ah yes, because communism leads to sharing and spreading of wealth. Just ask Soviet Ukraine!

>>78110752
>50c to change the AC
Very Ubik of you
Don't piss off your front door.

>>78105088
Our technological fears are the same as the 60s. Almost every episode of black mirror has a twilight zone/outer limits equivalent.

>>78113620
Ah the miracles of convergent evolution

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>>78117559
>If the ten richest men on earth all got together and got infected with Marxist brain worms and decided to destroy capitalism and replace it with a more equitable infrastructure (hopefully one that WON’T rape the planet to death), could they even do it?
The Bolshevik Revolution was financed by (((Wall Street))) and the USSR was propped up by subsidized grain sales until the threat it supposedly posed was no longer sufficiently profitable for General Dynamics and Colt Industries. (((They))) have been hard at work at that particular project for over a century. See North Korea or Cambodia under Pol Pot for examples of what those ideals turn into when the government is charismatic psychopaths with a hard-on for "bourgeois parasites" and armies of twelve-year-olds with AK47s at their beck and call. The USSR or East Germany represent the best case, and still had to have murderous secret police and border guards whose machine-gun nests pointed in instead of out to hold their population at gunpoint and keep them from fleeing. But they'll get it RIGHT next time! Pic related.

>>78110726
>The Right is also ill-equipped to actually do anything about it because while they can address there's a problem; they don't actually have any solutions or alternatives
Incorrect. They're just not for the squeamish. And if you want to point fingers, blame the Boomers and the "Greatest Generation," who sowed the seeds of Clown World and applauded as it got this bad.

>>78111166
If you want to imagine it as science fiction, you can make plausible stories with "green power" in the background, as part of the worldbuilding. This must be distinguished from the real world, where no solar cell factory has ever had solar panels on its own roof, nor will ever have, because even on paper it takes thirty years of bright tropical sunlight twelve hours a day to make back the energy that was used to manufacture a solar panel, and until it reaches that break-even point, it's a net liability, a net energy loss, not an energy source. In the real world, snow, dust, replacement for panels destroyed by hail and wind, cloudy autumn and winter weather, push that figure much further into the future. How much further is left as an exercise for the alert reader.

>>78117149
>while the powers at be wait for them to either die or kill themselves (flat out killing them would, naturally, be a PR nightmare).
Why would it, when they own Future Facebook(tm) and can ban and censor people for talking about the "conspiracy theory," and also pay off the cops and the judges and have them jail the "crazy people" who are "spreading misleading rumors" that are "dangerous to public order" when they post pictures of the mass graves?

>>78115071
Woketard propaganda. They've been telling us for 50+ years that we're all gonna die within ten years. Every single prediction they make is wrong, yet people still take them seriously. It's pseudoscience, science-flavored agitprop chosen to advance political goals. It actually looks more like the right-wing versions of woketards pushing "intelligent design" or "scientific creationism," i.e., teaching superstitious dogma in science classes to vulnerable children, than anything else. We laugh at the people who say the Earth is six thousand years old. We should laugh at the people who've been telling us since the Nixon Administration that we're all gonna die right now because our ancestors got uppity and decided living in caves wasn't good enough for them.

If the elite have the automation technologies to automate everything, why would they bother with a BGI instead of simply having ED-209s to keep the starving peasants off their property?

>>78115115
>Focus on the wonders that the future could hold rather than the bad.
But that's not cyberpunk any more.

>>78115277
In the real world, in practical terms, even with arbitrarily advanced technology it's still going to be cheaper to build Roombas than sentient fetish robot meidos, as well as being much less likely to result in them going all Matrix-y on humanity's asses. I think just about everyone, everywhere, understands this.

But that might not make as exciting a story, and that's what roleplaying games are about, right?

>>78117510
>“work” in the broadest sense has only existed for the past 5000 years
Ah yes, all those caveman did absolutely no work. That's why we're still shitting in the woods alongside chimps. You absolute retard.

Work in the prehistoric period was HARDER, not easier. Have you seen the primitive technology channel? Imagine that being your daily life.

>>78115071
>We’re literally living through catastrophic climate disruption you fucking nonce

Yeah, sure. And there is also a wolf in the hills. Everyone come running, quick!

>>78106812
There isn't any original anything any more. Hollywood is strip-mining the corpses of 1970s and 1980s popculture and rendering them down for their hide and tallow in the form of movie fodder. There was a "Scooby Doo" movie, for fuck's sake. There was a "Flintstones" movie too. Real theatrical movies, that got released in theaters--back before the Wubonic Plague, back before we weren't all under martial law and house arrest and the proles were allowed to go out in public and do things like watch films in theaters. People paid their own cash money to sit in seats in theaters and watch. Necrophilia on an industrial scale is just what Hollywood DOES now. And people pay to stare at the screen, God help us all.

>>78119146
>"The only way out is through!"
>scroll through ads and comments like they are part of the narrative, same as the twitter comments earlier
>realize that's actually the end
>get spooked
Pretty neat story. The idea of super-AIs reaching back through time to create themselves is familiar to me from the Hyperion cantos, but a more occult take, updated with modern tech paradigms like cryptocurrency and machine learning is interesting.

>>78107186
>Absolute poverty exists among the unemployed, and is justified by the system on the grounds that it must reflect moral deficit and bad character.
Welcome to 1850.

>>78120466
>Work in the prehistoric period was HARDER, not easier. Have you seen the primitive technology channel? Imagine that being your daily life.
Imagine that being your daily life until your hut and firepit are built. Some anthropologists say, based on observations of Neolithic cultures that endured until the 19th and 20th Centuries, that hunter-gatherers had vastly more leisure time, and were healthier and better-fed than medieval European peasants, who were sickly and stunted and worked sunup to sundown, six days a week, two thirds of the year to grow grain for their liege lords, in between getting conscripted, handed spears, and shipped across the sea to fight the French.

Hunter-gatherer cultures don't allow for the population growth and population density that agriculture does. The Amerinds were outnumbered thousands to one and whittled down to nothing by millions of European colonists in North America, because economies based on growing potatoes can feed bigger armies, by orders of magnitude, than hunting rabbits.

>>78106812
That is because all the new writers in hollywood are talentless hacks.

>>78120596
>were sickly and stunted and worked sunup to sundown, six days a week, two thirds of the year to grow grain for their liege lords, in between getting conscripted, handed spears, and shipped across the sea to fight the French.

Not a single thing you said there was accurate, actually. it was so fucking inaccurate I needed to reply to your retarded argument to point out the food peasants ate are considered fucking superfoods today.

A beef stock stew, full of spring oinion carrots and beets would make you last longer and healthier than raw berries and barely cooked meat

>>78120596
>, in between getting conscripted, handed spears, and shipped across the sea to fight the French.

Didn't happen.

>>78120632
>I needed to reply to your retarded argument to point out the food peasants ate are considered fucking superfoods today.
Yeah, adult men who stood 5'1" and weighed eighty-six pounds soaking wet, who lived on bread with weevils in it and boiled cabbage and got to eat meat maybe three or four times a year, who died of the common cold at the age of thirty, sure were models of good health and physical development.

>>78120640
>What was the Hundred Years War, Alex?

>>78120596
>Some anthropologists say

>>78120632
>A beef stock stew, full of spring oinion carrots and beets
...that only aristocrats got to eat. Peasants got boiled cabbage and bread with weevils in it and got accused of heresy and handed over to the Inquisition if they got uppity about it.

>>78120596
>in between getting conscripted, handed spears, and shipped across the sea to fight the French
anon do you really think anyone would both sending peasant levies to fight a war overseas? like really?

>>78110076
Most of that shit was already well-codified by the 80s. Reality is Cyberpunk without the glamor.

>>78106678
>Insted of cars everything is on rails. Yes, personal cars exist, but instead of these wie roads it's a single lane that cars drive on automatically.
I thought you were trying to come up with a bright future

>>78120656
>>78120666
Nothing you are saying is true.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-04-18-highs-and-lows-englishman%E2%80%99s-average-height-over-2000-years-0

>Our data shows that average heights in England in the medieval era and between 1400 and 1700 were similar to those of the 20th century.

Your literal fantasy stories are destroyed by the fact that the English in the Medieval era had a huge boner for recorded all their mundane shit like height, diets and work rotas.

A typical serf, who worked on a small plot of land under a lord, literally ate beef, chicken or Pork every week, saved everything in a pottage and basically lived off of brown hearty bread and thick extremely rich stews, usually with pastries. Hell fired fucking chicken dates back to the Medieval times, and it was not a rich persons dish.

>>78120678
Ah so you're trolling then.

>>78120678
Na peasants had decent food. A strip it two of meat daily and what was in season.

>>78120704
The guy thinks Spring Onions, Carrots and Beets are somehow harder to grow and rarer than cabbages in medieval England.

>>78120678
You do know the peasantry were literally excuses from the Inquisitions because they were expected to not know anything about the divine.

Also, England never had any inquisitions.

>>78118698
I actually like that, its a neat idea anon.

The fear cyberpunk delivers is a harsh future, but still cool. The fear many have now is that the future will be extremely gay. The eternal HR-scape. Meat will still exist, but random screeching humanoids will accost you in the street for trying to buy some. They will have hashtags of forgotten social media outrages tattooed on their foreheads and you will dread being inevitably asked at work what your post history about "#stopWW3shaming2036" reflects on you.

Imagine a tearful whining face demanding you do your part to save the world, forever.

>>78118698
>>78120905
Been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genocides

>>78120656
that would be a good reply if any of that were fucking true

>>78110726
is this bait or are you genuinely a massive fucking faggot?

>>78105088
We already know what the modern equivalent of cyberpunk is, since cyberpunk is just sci fi that came about in a specific time. Just look at modern non-cyberpunk sci fi. It would be that. In other words, it would suck.

>>78106515
Black Mirror is just Twilight Zone. It's not exactly a new concept.

>>78118695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

>>78109855
Trump isn't a messiah or something, but you're a fucking idiot if you think he isn't an enemy of the establishment.

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>>78117447
>>78110726
>I think the Left is more competent, actually engages in reality, and because it has massive corporate backing
>instead of civic duty, communalism, or nation-building like how socialist leftists are.
>Something I read about a couple years ago was the idea that one of the issues facing the modern work force is in the next 30 years a quarter of the population will be too stupid to work a middle class job
When did this board become infested by reddit. I guess when reality doesn't agree with you, you have to regress and implement your bias, falsehoods, and childish worldviews and force it in setting like cyberpunk. I am not going to able to separate your delusions that you have cultivated from daydreaming and reading propaganda all day, but you should really keep your political views out of the setting if your not good at hiding them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JlxuQ7tPgQ

>>78109855
I am actually starting to hate you people more than I hated trump and his cult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBRGCabaog (tl;dr)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2OtFprM3No

And also are they going to have a new definition for A.I. when we actually achieve intelligence similar to our own?

>>78110076
kind of like that black mirror episode where the girl rates everyone 5 stars and gets credits.

actually it should be more like China's social credit system.

>>78121210
hah, now he isn't huh, i guess the whole fucking world just hallucinated your fucking pastors praising to be at minimum christ like.

>>78121415
take your meds

>>78121365
Or that Orville episode with the cancel culture planet. But that was less cyberpunk based off modernity and more Star Trek based off modernity rather than Cold War era.

>>78120678
Bruh this is medieval Europe we are talking about not 40k.

>>78105088
>The Dystopia runs stable, but bad. There are entire corpos just dedicated to recycling trash for ressources for more production. The air you breathe, the materials of all your belongings have been trough this cycle hundreds of times.
>The corporate overlords, goverments, agencies etc. who should be united against the masses they rule, but fractured against one another, are not self-destructious, nor is it the system and nor a both open about it. It will continue like this forever and so will their false smiles and crocodile tears.
>There is Big Brother Welfare State that will crush you for saying naughty things, but there are also ghettos, constant gang warfare and entire no-go-areas, that the police can't move against for fear of beeing called out of for racial or religious bigotry
>Don't make it onesided tough, sure cyberhood and satellitecitystan are rampant with crime, violence and its people are scummy, but isn't so the rest of the world? Blind as the rest, the leash is yet not so tight around their neck and lets be honest, genuie conservatism is propably moreso found there, then within whatever Neocon Inc. parties this future will have.
>Adress multiple perspectives: Anarchists that dream of revolution, be they more right or left, are a punk in the face of GloboHomoCorpo, but so is the fundamentalist muslim, the pagan ecofashist, the christian luddite etc.
>Everything is a psyop, false flag or controlled opposition. The movement that has gone viral on the socials, standing against McNestles crimes? Payed by their competition. Cancel and Protest Culture are nothing but a proxy war of corpos.

Also more india and china futurism instead of japan I guess.

>>78105088
Fuckbot and happy pills

>>78121023
No, mine are edible. Its supposed to be a psychological torment kind of thing, you know that to eat them is to condemn youself to an eternity as an immobile twitching infested host to a colony of plants, but the hunger will eventually get to you, and they taste delicious, even without preparation.
That, and the plants are slowly forming into a mobile starfish-like mass of plant matter and diseased human nervous tissue visible from space to move upon the cities and assimilate all untainted biomass.
Its overly edgy, but I've been thinking of adapting it into a YA book, cause they make bank.

STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT METAL HEALTH AND INVENT MICRO-FUSION YOU DICKHEADS

>>78123567
Yes, the human condition will go away if we have enough Watts.

>>78107186
I would make it in this scenario. Just intimidate people and take what I want. Kill anyone who bucks up to me. Doesn't sound that bad if you don't play by the rules in the first place.

>>78123748
Behind the most PC fluffy neolib garbage facade society is always a speed dial police force that will shoot you through the walls of your house with 250 rounds at 3:15 am and then burn it down. They will claim they smelled weed and heard a woman screaming. They will all receive disability pay for the rest of their lives. If you're black you will receive a sponsored protest by Raytheon™.

If it's ancap they'll just be led by fat black HR women and they'll staple paperwork to your door when they're done.

>>78105088

Getting rewarded for working hard in a menial job would be an improvement over current year, anon.

>>78105088
Depends on whether you mean the ancieties of the left or the right. Either way it'd be apocalyptic in a way that most cyberpunk isn't but the anxieties of the left (ecological collapse and police brutality) are still cyberpunk staples, the big difference is that modern leftist cyberpunk would be pro-corporate and pro-consumerism. Modern right wing cyberpunk would be an entirely different genre closer to literary fiction than sci-fi, with most of the anxiety being about cultural degeneration and government control rather than technology per se

>>78106685
Anything British is grim because Britain's culture is dead and the people are slowly witnessing their country become a third world shithole full of cannibals on the streets

>>78115115
But wages have been stagnant while prices of commodities have been going up. Just admit that the future is bleak.

>>78113455
Only as controlled opposituon to justify increasing corporate totalitarianism

>>78115855
If the elites can replace their workers with robots, the common worker will simply starve, unable to find labor and unable to farm his own food when the land is all owned by corporations

>>78119375
The answer, as always, is fascism

>>78120780
In the rest of medieval Europe. England actually was that bad though

>>78124248
The street is the only place our culture is alive. It's the middle and upper classes that are dead.

>>78124232
>modern leftism
>pro-corporate and pro-consumerism

How do you figure

>>78121210
Maybe he was, but that rebellion was just another establishment who's differences with the current one are so miniscule it really shouldn't have been worth bothering with.

>>78115719
>take the property rights of the public
Another enclosure of the commons?

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>>78115115
Those wonders are not for me.

>>78126165
Anon, did you completely miss all the political riots funded by multinational corporations last summer?

>>78110608
>Heavy Metal Cyber Botswana Bikers
>Cyberprep Dandy Patrol

>>78126438
The current president is literally on China's payroll and drafting trade agreements that subordinate US law to a foreign power. Big difference.

>>78126727
Yes, I did. Because there weren't any anywhere in the western world.

>>78126794
>The current president is literally on China's payroll
As opposed to Russia's.

>>78126801
There were lots of riots here in Minneapolis, though I doubt they were sponsered by corporations, people here are just sick of police getting away with murder.

>>78126801
>>78126833

>BLM didn't take billions in corporate money

What is it like to shamelessly lie?

>>78126833
>>78126856
Organic rebellions against an unjust system isn't proof of corporate sponsorship.

>>78126833
How is it murder if someone kills themselves via OD?

>>78126872
>Organic rebellions against an unjust system
>Sponsored by NIKE and Walmart

Kek. Only a zoomie or a white woman is that retarded.

>>78115115
>Gene therapy advances to the point that it's cheap and easy to do and so all genetic disorders and diseases are eradicated
New ones are deliberately created, to ensure a perpetual market for drugs.
>Robots gain sapience, but rather than destroy us they use their lack of need for conventional human things like sleep or rest to help us advance faster to the above
Poorly defined legal qualifications of 'sentient' means that every election is settled by whichever billionaire can afford the most server farms running the most copies of vote4me.exe chatbot.

>>78126856
If you think there's something going on anywhere on Earth that corporate types aren't trying to gain from... Well, you'd be wrong.

>>78127068
Thank you for conceeding, even if you were trying to weasel about it.

>>78107890

Expanse was okay (the books, I'm not touching the show). It started out pretty strong, but the later ones definitely saw a decline in quality.

>>78126833
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/want-know-where-all-those-corporate-donations-blm-are-going-n1225371

https://builtin.com/diversity-inclusion/companies-that-support-black-lives-matter-social-justice

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/companies-donating-black-lives-matter/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/06/01/corporate-donations-tracker-here-are-the-companies-giving-millions-to-anti-racism-efforts/?sh=1d26875237dc

>>78105088
Old Cyberpunk was their vision of "today, but more so". Corporate powers expanding, technology increasing at a dizzying clip, weird subcultures emerging, Japanese dominance, etc. It also had speculative or fantastic elements (e.g. What does it mean to be human, when your flesh is replaced by metal?) but these were still informed by the milieu of the era. Contemporary Cyberpunk would also be "today, but more so."
>Urbanization is complete, rural towns fully abandoned except as curated tourist destinations
>Pollution, draughts, and storms cause mass death by starvation and subsequent war in the poor world, mass farming provides a stable food source for developed nations.
>Data collection is ubiquitous, everything you do is logged, processed, and fed back into the system. This data is very, very important to your opportunities in society.
>Everything, from transportation to housing to food, operates on a subscription model, creating a sort of neo-serfdom where you can't easily accumulate private property to "opt-out" of any such program.
>Citizens are encouraged to be political, but not political. You should shout the slogans of your Party, and buy their merchandise, but never make up your own. Status quo is thus upheld, and the rebellious impulse redirected harmlessly.
>Careers don't exist, gigs do. The lucky can work a high-pressure cooperate job during their early twenties, but are quickly replaced by younger applicants. Most people, be they coders or drivers, work on a per-contract basis and are never far from financial ruin due to the lack of consistent income.
>Crime, horrifically, is nearly wiped out. But it's not the ever-present cameras that are responsible - it's the Neural Nets who can identify future criminal acts with 99.9% effectiveness before they happen. Their testimony is admissible in court.
>Identity with subcultures has replaced community identity. People's "tribe" will be fans of a franchise, fans of some hobby.

>>78107648
>Shadowrun has a population of around 7 billion, maybe less.
Haven't played Shadowrun since 2006 but aren't there huge uninhabitable areas? (Mana storms, unnatural weather, awakened monsters etc.)

>>78127556
>Scientific advancement is focused on incrementing existing technologies for marginal efficiency (smaller computers, better batteries) or replacing old technologies deemed inefficient (Gas cars to electric, private cars to shared cars, meat to plant-substitutes, plant-substitutes to more efficient plant-substitutes that sacrifice flavor). Aspirants towards "New" technology are generally considered wasteful, and frowned upon.
>Developed nations would never dream of open war - it would ruin their trade - but love to hold proxy wars in the third world, often arming both sides. Active armies are upheld, both to keep the population busy as a disguised "jobs program" and to join these third-world conflicts when propagandists deem it appropriate.
>Advertisement is ubiquitous and inescapable. Adblockers are hunted down with zeal, "freeloaders" publicly derided. Ads are interactive, prompting you to shout a slogan or do the Product Dance.
>China and America still form the world's two major power blocks, with China being the stronger. Neither nation still pays much lip service to nation ideals like freedom or human rights, but instead cultivate a nebulous Team Spirit, much as corporations do.
>Manufacturing has moved entirely to undeveloped nations where military forces guard semi-automated factories. The life of a third-worlder is still much cheaper than the maintenance for a machine, so manufacturing isn't automated.

>>78126976
>New ones are deliberately created, to ensure a perpetual market for drugs.
In Deus Ex, anyone who is augment(replaced limbs with machine parts) are dependant on a drug so their body doesn't reject it. At a certain point the government pulls the rug out from under people and jacks prices up. Any dissent and the person is refused drugs, a death sentence.

Let's say an mRNA vaccine caused some auto immune disorder down the road. The same company made it also makes a drug to stop it as long as you keep taking the pills. The same situation happens. Any dissent, you're denied the drug, a death sentence. The price is jacked up for everyone else to make them a slave.

>>78127805
>Mental problems are universal. Psychiatrists appointments are are common as doctor's or dentists' visits. Everyone is prescribed antidepressant and mood stabilization pills from a very young age, institutionalized if they refuse to take them. This is seen as normal civic healthcare, held as equivalent to vaccines or fluoridated water.
>Life isn't "bad" for the average citizen by certain standards. You're very safe. You won't starve, though you can easily be forced to make do with much less - flavorless welfare-rations and coffin-sized wellfare-sleepers for the poor. The rich live in their own world as always, and for those in the middle? The rental studios and rideshare services require you to keep subscribing and paying to avoid joining the poor. You'll work. A stable existence.
>Dating, or rather romance, is completely via app. Approaching a stranger in public is a horrific faux pas. Algorithms provide lists of possible matches to you, but most people don't bother. A fertility crisis is brewing, but then again the developed world doesn't really NEED people, they don't NEED so many workers, soldiers, and coders, and so they don't much care.
>VR and Virtual experiences are the most common hobby. Crammed into their home quarters, most citizens spend their free time inside stimulated worlds, perfect skinner boxes to provide dopamine and keep them coming back. Pornographic and violent simulations are the most common by far.
>Work, leisure, and chores are all accomplished online. Face-to-face interaction barely happens, and many people will stay indoors for days or weeks at a time. The only reasons to go outside, after all, are considered frivolous - to visit a bar, a gym, a VR house (if you can't afford to rent a personal unit), a park. A growing segment of the public has become agoraphobic, even angry at those who go about outdoors.

This thread is depressing me more than usual

>>78107648
That works provided most of the world is rendered uninhabitable and useless.
It's all about population density.
As long as that seven billion lives in a tiny fraction of the earth's surface it can still have the urban hellscapes common in cyberpunk settings.

>>78127556
>>78127805
>>78128230

Jesus fuck, man. Screencap this. You're so right it hurts.

>>78130060
Thanks! What I should say is that I don't honestly expect all these things to happen verbatim - an exaggerated version of the present is not a vision of the future. In Old Cyberpunk, they predicted Japanese world dominance, but what actually happened? The Japanese economy ate shit and never ever recovered. As time elapses, paradigms change. It's best to be concerned, I think, but not TOO fatalistic.

>>78132006
>The Japanese economy ate shit and never ever recovered.
And it did so the decade after Cyberpunk was created. The world is changing more quickly and unpredictably than any prediction can keep up with. See: Fukuyama's "End of History"

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>>78130060
>Screencap this.

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>>78105088
I made a quest style daily comic about this once, eventually folded due to no participation.
Ironically it all came from a pandemic. It was in early December 2019, before the rona thing started.
A company came up with a nanomachine technology that you inject into people and it fixes everything.
The nanomachines are hooked everywhere in your body. The company and countries have immense debt and they need to repay for the expenses.
So voilà you have ads in your brain now

>>78105088
>no 1 week limit on the sexbot
shit cyoa choices too op

Cyberpunk died because we can no longer dream of the future since the 80s. We can only imagine endless remakes of futures that never arrived. In the past, the emergence of new technologies enabled the emergence of new cultural forms. Today, new technologies are subordinated to the repetition and refurbishment of old established cultural forms. All futures that we imagined have become lost futures. The Postmodern culture is characterized by revival and pastiche. We have unlearned the creation of the future. Ironically, to try relive and recapture the disappearing hopes for the future, we return to the past trying to discover how the future was imagined back then. We are like Leonard in Christopher Nolan's Mmemento: A man suffering from anterograde amnesia with permanent memories from the past but incapable of making new ones. Our modern culture condition is like an anterograde amnesia, unable to create new cultural forms and thereby doomed to orient ourselves to the same past again and again. Our cultural development has slowed down, perhaps even started looping indefinitely. The correlate of a future that will not arrive is a past that will not disappear. The past cultural forms that will not let us move on are like the rooms of an abandoned MMORPG. If it were a real theme park, the passage of time would falling into ruin. But its digital nature prevents it from decaying until it is shut down. A structure that doesn't decay is a structure that cannot provide space for new structures. The eerie result is an architecture that it is clearly outdated but unchanging, dragging behind the present, a world stuck in time. This is our world.

The future has been cancelled

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>>78132657
I still love the helper

>>78121210
Not as big of an idiot as the guy who doesn't know that Trump isn't 79 years old or a career politician.

>>78132718
The one on the right is my choice.
The future is female.

>>78119216
Idle hands are the devil's plaything.

>>78132731
INFINITE CUDDLES

>>78115855
huge swathes of the american population has been out of work for decades retard

>>78127513
Great? All those corps donate to anything they think will distract from their shitting doings. They didnt donate before it started and they had no control over what happened.

You might as well write off every social movement on all sides of history, because corps will donate to anything if they think they can get some virtue signaling done with it.

>>78133339
It's a trick question. The one on the left hires the one on the right because they don't look as threatening and they're less likely to rebel against him.

>>78132482
Fuckkin saved, thanks for your hard work!

>>78107842

Considering he's an ideological servant of a wannabee authoritarian ruler, nah. He's the opposite of punk, he has a slave mentality.

>>78105088
There are a lot more robots around but they do mundane shit and nobody pays them that much mind, except when being unnecessarily rude or aggressive with them (they aren't sentient, so it doesn't matter, really. Come on man, why would you ruin the mood by calling me out like that?). As a result, streets are cleaner, you can get a burger faster and cheaper, travel is faster, safer, and cheaper, and almost nobody has a consistent job.

A lot of people work, but "having a job" is almost unheard of. When a company wants or needs people, they'll hire some on contract then let them go when they aren't needed anymore. Only people with valuable skills have consistent work, and these are often highly pressured by others in their field to be constantly improving or showing high work output. If they fall behind they won't have a job anymore.

Despite not working, most people get by. Automation lowered the price of most things and the government keeps the UBI rolling. It's not glamorous or nice though. Pod or tiny home living is pretty standard. If that's not the case then you're sharing with a large in-group. 3-4 generations of a family in a household, gang crash house, hostel style living. Lucky to have a single bedroom to yourself. Not because of population boom, but land prices and living off UBI prevents people from owning houses or renting nicer apartments.

Almost everyone has a "hustle" or side gig they do to make pocket cash that isn't enough to take them off UBI but enough they think it'll make them rich one day. A lot do micro or day trading. Others make stuff, handmade items are becoming very common, and sold via the internet (so some big company can take a cut for hosting your "store").

Surveillance is both ubiquitous and does almost nothing for actual crime. Partially this is by design and partially because of an worked police force dealing with constant petty crime. Catching a few of them is worthless when half the population is shoplifting.

>>78126727

I never got a check, what the hell?

>>78107170

If there's a moon colony (or any other permanent settlement off earth) in my lifetime I'll die happy.

>>78133622
The middle class is shrinking and it's a big concern for talking heads. The only people who would qualify as such are those guys with consistent work because they have some needed skills. These guys are over worked and under constant pressure, the seething masses outside would love their spot and if given half a chance would take it. Unfortunately more and more of their positions are being automated and "robot maintenance" is done by robots. AI engineers only need to make an AI that works for a new industry and whole workforces are put out of jobs. There are no "safe" industries. Middle class life is therefore reduced to constant drive to stay ahead and keeping an ear to the ground for what skills to pick up next. Getting any edge at all is important. Almost all civilian augments are in the middle class and 95% of them are skill enhancements. The two most popular augs are brain chips to reduce sleep and eliminate boredom.

The Ultra Rich are mostly what they are today. Corporate CEOs and owners who have invented some product the masses needed or wanted. But their membership is twice as volatile. As industries are born and die in less than decades due to the automation boom so too do the ranks of the rich. Meanwhile well emplaced corporations with long histories and wide portfolios weather the storms like rocks. Chewing up and eating young startups that might prove useful in the next change. Corporate espionage is incredibly common, and con men and hackers are in high demand, snooping for what some company thinks is "the next thing" for another.

Government is a flashy stage show the masses have all but given up on. Treating it more like a sports show than politics. It's an open secret that every government is bought and paid for, the only difference is what colour tie the puppet wears.

>>78133949
There won’t be. Self-sustaining space colonization would mean escape.

>>78119375
>the only two alternatives is one where huge corporations own everything or one where the state acts like a huge corporation that owns everything

>>78124622
fascism is a movement created to defend corporations.That's literally how they started, the brownshirts were paid by business owners to beat up workers on strike. That's why when America overthrew socialist governments like in chile or greece they put up fascist governments

>>78134163
The Financial System is on the "verge of collapse" for years now. Everyone knows it. The worldwide banking system is showing tears. Infinite debt spending has finally reduced consumer confidence with many on UBI hoarding what they can save or bartering amongst each other with self made goods and ad hoc services. A "Shadow Economy" has grown up and the Elites are desperate to try and either delete it or take advantage even as the house of cards sways above them.

We Kesslered ourselves some time in the early 2030s, dooming a fledgling Mars colony. As a result people gave up on Space entirely. The functioning sattelites we have were brute forced by certain companies looking to monopolize sattelite communication. Clearing only the very narrow corridors they use at huge expense and lobbying to have those orbital corridors made "private." With people panicking and governments in a bind, the demands were met. Google, JPMorgan and Alibaba (given a large "loan" by the Chinese state in order to complete their orbital program). now own the only orbital infrastructure and all satellites are either owned or allowed by them. There are thousands of proposals on how to clean up our orbit, but none are cost effective for a single government also paying for a UBI program, and the corps are very strict about not interfering with the triopoly of space.

>>78127277

It's the same for the show

>>78105088
>modern anxieties
Depends on the group doing the writing. Different people have very different anxieties, to the point where one group's dystopian horror is another's paradise.

>>78121908
>>78118698
So Turnip28/Sludge but mixed with Nausicaa instead of WWI?

>>78132827
REJECT the virgin unidirectional flow of time with its cucked notions of an unmentionable past and a haunted future

EMBRACE chad cyclical-time linked to the biorhythms of the seasons

Becoming is not a ladder, it is a cannibal snake!

>>78133451
>Corps donate to violent rioters
>Rioters attack middle class businesses that manage to survive lockdown
>They do this to fight injustice
>Corps gain marketshare
>Happy merchant
Big think

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>>78110494
Since you're the first to bring him up, Trump was the first President to not start a new war and actually did a lot of good despite the desperate ravings of the Democratic establishment.

>>78134526
No, it's a movement to defend trade unions and syndicates that arose out of the Italian Marxist movement when large chunks of it rejected the idea of a global workers revolution post the First World War and sought a way to avoid what they saw as the 'inevitable' revolution to preserve Italy. Literally every leading member of the Italian fascists was a former major player in the Italian Marxist movement.

>>78133487
At least the left doesn't publicly masturbate themselves about how stunning and brave they are for speaking truth to power as they do their shit

>>78135466
He turned US hegemony into a global laughingstock, revealed the farce behind the political control of the military-industrial complex, and greatly strengthened the geopolitical positions of Iran, N. Korea and China so yes, I agree, he did some good in the end

>>78133814
If useful idiots got paid, they wouldn't be idiots.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/goldie-taylorwhere-did-all-the-money-shaun-king-raised-for-black-lives-go

>>78135466
>Trump was the first President to not start a new war and actually did a lot of good
He has irreparably destroyed the world's trust and acceptance of America, and has brought the world that much closer to being under the domination of a Chinese hegemony, so of course he's the best President.

>>78113566
>too like the lightning

Good taste. The sequel Seven Surrenders is also good but cuts off before the war.

>>78107211
>Africa will rise to a technological super power
How? What African countries are going to become superpowers?

>>78110726
>they don't actually have any solutions
I think they have at least one big solution.

>>78135541
>>78135597
>US hegemony
Wait, when did this become a good thing?
Why is starting wars for corporate interests suddenly a good, thing to do?

>>78135659
It's an anti-racist meme based on the idea that because Africa is big it must have lots of smart people.
The fact that it's the ratio of smart to adequate to idiots and not the absolute number is lost on these people. Or maybe they're hopeful the internet will enable the genius Africans to unite in between getting machete'd by their compatriots, but the internet failed to do that in the west, so I doubt it.

>>78135541
>He turned US hegemony into a global laughingstock

You mean stopped paying economic bribes to people to pretend to like the US as they mooch

>revealed the farce behind the political control of the military-industrial complex

That's what a lot of people liked. Pulling masks off and dropping charades

>Geatly strengthened the geopolitical positions of Iran, N. Korea and China

Iran was literally Obama funneling them pallets of cash and concessions, N. Korea was a deescalation, and Biden literally takes Chinese money.

2/10 stop reading Salon for your options.

>>78126872
>Organic
LOL. People can't even prove unjust motivation in police incidents that involve thw death of a black dude, let ALONE the conspiracy theory that police actively target blacks simply because there are far more blacks that commit crime acvording to statistics than any other demographic.

>>78135597
No one has liked, trusted, or respected America in decades, retard. They just threw a fit because he wanted to force them to pay their share of joint obligations.

>>78126872
Not even the 1960s Civil Rights Movement was organic. It was funded by white oligarchs and organized by white grad students.

>>78135866
Google Martin Luther King's speechwriter sometime.

>>78135824
>Salon
I read Xinhua and Aljazeera

>>78135723
reading comprehension pls

>>78135917
>ORANGE MAN BAD because foreign state funded propaganda outlets say so

>>78135541
>>78135597
>He made other countries hate America
No, retard. They always hated Americaas a nation
They hated Trump's America, because he didn't allow them to push/mold pur country to their whims. How the fuck can you justify America paying MORE than the agreed upon cost for NATO's defense budget, while providing more than 80% of the actual military strength the comes with it? Unironically fuck off.

>>78127556
>>78127805
>>78128230
Is there even anything to discuss? I think everyone knows it will end like this, and very soon. I think max 15 years. If this sounds too abrupt then consider the jump we made from the 2000s to today. Barely 20 years and an entirely new technology has changed people's brains forever, and things accelerate exponentially. Think of the changes between 2010 internet and 2020 internet. It's going to spiral faster and faster down into exactly this.
Perhaps the only thing that anon is forgetting is the monetization of everything, everything will be used for scrap money. Everyone will prostitute themselves, everyone will not do anything unless it's for pay. You'll pay to talk to people or receive answers, everything will have layers of premium you'll be pressured to buy for social clout.
Thankfully I don't plan to stay around for that long.

>>78112407
I have a student who believes he's the main character in a film.

>>78135862
>No one has liked, trusted, or respected America in decades
Fucking this. I wish they'd stayed out of WW2 entirely and we all ended up as part of Russia. We'd be better off in every conceivable way with a Russia that stretched from Lisbon to Vladivastok, and from Scapa Flow to Sicily.

>>78136265
Call him "Truman", with no further explanation, every day until he gets the joke.

>>78115520
I love that book!

>>78136110

The only potentially good news is that when the US empire collapses (within 20 years) the global economy might get so fucked up, we'll enter another dark age, and completely change the way the dynamic works.

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>>78134526
>fascism is a movement created to defend corporations.That's literally how they started, the brownshirts were paid by business owners to beat up workers on strike. That's why when America overthrew socialist governments like in chile or greece they put up fascist governments
I see, you are retarted american who thinks that military junta = fascism

>>78136466
Hyperinflation is inevitable within the next few years, maybe even this year. Shutting down the economy for an entire year while simultaneously increasing the money supply by 40% will have unavoidable consequences sooner or later.

>>78136466
The empire isn't gonna go down in flames like Rome or collapse overnight like the soviets did. Its just going to be a slow decline unless we get into a major war that accelerates it like the British had with ww1/2 and the general public decided to stop voting to be the world's policeman.

I dont see racewar darkages as much as I see the US becoming more like Mexico or Brazil with the elimination of the Middle class and the elite living in higher and more defended ivory towers while the rest of us live in favelas.

>>78132482
>>78127556
>>78127805
>>78128230
Does this not make you angry?

>>78135963

Foreign state outlets were making up propaganda about Biden on the regular.

>>78135597

He also utterly failed at handling the Coronavirus pandemic. If he had protected Americans better he'd still be president right now.

>>78105088
real life

lmao at you all miserable cunts.

>>78106993
source on gabe shilling brain implants?

>>78137220
It does, but the fuck Can we do? We're living in a country where the rebellion against the rich was a pedantic manchild riding a wave a populism to enrich his cronies and still sell out to the rich. Biden is just another neoliberal (as expected)...the future belongs to the assholes in nice suits exploiting anyone below their networth.

>>78107691
No one needs an excuse to hate minorities.

>>78105088
>elon musk's mars

elon musk is a piece of shit

>>78135768
Also ignores how china is playing corporate colonialism over there.

>>78119146
Hey I know this guy

>>78117383
>>78117447
>Did an economics and accounting degree and graduated 2 months ago
Guess I'm fucked.

>>78110726
imagine being this wrong about everything lmao

>>78137588
We're all fucked, and it doesn't matter what degree we have.

>>78137625
Yes. Some of us sooner than the others.

So? Anything we can do to stop this? Is there a future beyond the monster of capitalism we've built for ourselves? Or are we all gonna just Anhero aside from the sociopaths that have the delusion that this is the ideal world?

Do you think it's a coincidence that the pessimism and nihilism everyone feels "just so happens" to coincide with Liberalism, degeneracy, and the ascendancy of a particular group who must not be named?

It doesn't have to be this way.

>>78111854
lol of course you can't actually engage with anything he said, fucking retard

>>78137662
I genuinely think we're heading for an irrecoverable collapse anyway. We like to think that because we survived the last Ice Age we can survive anything else, but we've stripped out so many surface deposits of things, been so callous in our usage that the next cycle of destruction will not have the resources to rebuilt with.
So no, anon, not even the psychos will be spared.
>>78137668
Not in the least. Liberalism is barely a definable thing and degeneracy is an entirely relative term. It's not a coincidence because the pessimism is CAUSING you to be retarded and find your boogeymen everywhere you look.

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>>78137588
>>78137625
Having a degree is very likely worse for you. A guy without a degree but was just flipping burgers and renting for the same amount of time is just you but with less debt, and you'll both wind up applying to the same jobs in 6 months anyway.

>>78113797
lol retard

>>78137764
Well there's a silver lining. I don't have any debt. I wonder if 23 is too late to retrain into CompSci

>>78135597
>irreparably destroyed the world's trust and acceptance of America
>laughs in george w bush

>>78134526
Modern fascists are so distrustful of anyone with power that the instant they catch even a whiff of deceit they'll turn.
There's a reason that communism is embraced by capitalist societies as just another thing to market to while fascism gets you sent to the gulag.
Fascists are simply too hard to subvert.

>>78117857
It was a car bomb, so dunno if it was mercenaries exactly, but somebody killed her and they never found out who

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist

>>78137662
>So? Anything we can do to stop this?
Attempt to weaponize the technological singularity against it. Church of the Basilisk, people. 'Decolonized' science is objectively slowing the omnissiah's birth, hence, its adherents are really gonna get it one day.

>>78107592
>>78122828
>>It's year 20XX. European papists have taken over USA and extinguished all religious freedom. Only the brave, protestant klansmen carry on Martin Luther's legacy and fight rome and it's hibernian goons

>>78137729
>Liberalism is barely a definable thing
It's the official ideology of the US/EU/NATO global regime. USA - Usury Sodomy and Abortion. Did I miss anything?

>and degeneracy is an entirely relative term.
Nah, it's not.

>>78134526
Everything you know about Fascism you learned from a Marxist professor who is supported by a Capitalist regime.

>>78106654
Star Trek Picard is written by people who have no fucking clue what Gene Roddenberry envisioned the IP as. It is quite literally written so that Picard's actor can wank himself off and get more screentime