>classical fantasy races>they’re all descended from frogs/toads/other amphibians go
go where? where am I going?
>>75487742you are going to have a fun time world building a land of mystery, adventure, and frogs faggot
>>75487733I'll start.>classical fantasy races>they’re all descended from frogs/toads/other amphibiansHere's your humans, dwarves, and elves.
>>75488585>owing to their incredibly developed legs and tongue, Frog combat is built upon highly mobile leaps and aerial strikes>when dueling with another Frog, dulled blades are used with the goal being simply disarming the opponent via tongue strike>to the highly honorific Frog, the loss of a duel is considered worse than an actual death. The resultant dishonor compels them to roam surrounding swampland wilderness in search of a feat difficult enough to see their honor restored such as felling a Dragagator
>>75488951I'd steal the combat being all about leaps and aerial strikes, but frogs not being willing to kill other frogs kinda lowers the stakes and doesn't make much sense. Even humans kill other humans.Also adding: With their ridiculous reproduction rates with thousands of tadpoles per clutch of eggs, children being protected and valued and idealized, as well as a general valuing of individual lives in general, probably isn't going to happen in amphibian society.
>>75489043I figured they’d fuck up other frogs when it’s serious, but say you and another frog have like a land dispute or you slighted them, then you do the whole mock combat to settle itI definitely think dorf and human civs (being frogs and toads respectively) wouldn’t care about individuals, but the Salamander Elves and the Turtles, whatever they end up as (giants? Orcs) would be on the opposite end of the spectrum since they have smaller, rarer clutches of eggs that need a lot more supervision to hatch
Ah finally, a concept thread that is without sex.
>>75489272DO YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW FUCKABLE FROGS ARE
>>75488585updated lineup with halflings and orcs
>>75489969vorefag pls go
>>75487733Go back to Ribbit
>>75489969this is incredible pls stay
>>75487733Yeah I'm already doing that as a game system. Been working on it for about a year now, about to get it published. Look forward to it! In fact, you were inspired to post this likely from my previous posting!
>>75487733Froggest Poster checking in. Project is coming along well.
More frog postan!
>>75489969>a stout, hardy people gifted with skin far thicker than their Frog cousins, the Toads abhor the waters and instead hold what little dry land there is in the swamp with an iron grip. >though not a savage race like the Bullfrog raiders, the Toads are by far the most eager to face combat, often leaving in what pieces of weaponry shatter on their skin to be scarred over as a way of wearing their pride for all to see. >their glorious buildings and weaponry require a constant stream of resources that they simply cannot maintain, requiring a steady stream of outriders to venture to ever farther lands in search of new hoards of resources. Once found, accompanying females will nest, capable of creating a township’s worth of tadpoles in a handful of weeks. >>75490085cool! I wasn’t at all! also I feel like if I’m the only one fluffing stuff it’s gonna be kind of circlejerky, someone post some flavor
>>75490188Not gonna spoil much more, but the project doc has 250+ pages so far and about 100 illustrations. Really excited to share it with you all. Glad OP made an uncannily related thread I could use to unashamedly shill my project
>>75490200I would help your cause friend, but the admittedly baked-in setting for my game world has a fairly "stylized" theme I wouldn't want to assume/impart on any frog world project you may be crafting. I love that others share a common interest in this theme though!
>>75490200>mysterious, the Salamanders are rare to lower themselves to the dealings of the swamp. Living within the scattered corpses, they travel both above and below the swamplands in a never ceasing route to ensure the continued survival of their sacred trees.>in their tongue, flame can be spoken to the same as any other thing, coerced and commanded to obey any number of commands the same way a Frog might shepherd beetles. Many travelers have trespassed unknowingly atop the roots of a Salamander copse, only to be guided to their doom by ethereal flame dancing in the distance. >satisfied in their roles as sages, a Salamander is rare to venture beyond their home. The rare few travelers among them do so only to seek far away copses, in an effort to learn something new from their kin.
>>75487733Salamanders are wizards, axolotls are their even more powerful aquatic cousins.
>>75487733Isnt there a Netflix show about this?
>>75489969so going by this an Ogre would probably be something like a Cane Toad, and Trolls would be Giant Salamanders, as for the Goblin races, probably have them be Salamanders and Newts like the Elves, Halflings, and Trolls(which creates some interesting lore implications if they're all from one group of Amphibians while Humans, Dwarves, Orcs, and Ogres are from another) to avoid this being too Frog/Toad heavyand as for Caecilians I'm kinda picturing them as being the local equivalent to both Gnomes and Kobolds, so some are kindly yet odd mystics of the damp earth, while others are fiendish Dragon* cultists, the leaders of these cults having taken on gifts of power from their masters growing to immense lengths and fierce hungers*here represented by various oddball extinct species of Amphibian such as the mighty Prionosuchus among others(not all Dragons are quite so huge though, indeed some might not be much bigger than the average Frog or Elf)
>>75487733So, about the four human lesbos...
>>75491701maybe, though I imagine OP was probably thinking more about Disney's Amphibia
Bump of interdast
It didn’t slide while I was asleep! here’s a bump and a little quick recap>>75488951>>75489969>>75490200>>75490362here’s my little write ups about Frogs, Toads, and Salamanders>>75491528>>75493650cool shit about Orcs, Ogres, splits between the races, and more so really what we need to nail down would be what the swamp as I’ve been calling it is like, what kind of monsters there are, points of interest, legends.
>>75487733France? You really want to make !NotFrance!? You poor child.
The stupid and loathsome Troll-Toad
>>75489969Cool.What would be the Dragon equivalent in Frogworld? Salamanders?
>>75501423Komodos man, come on.
>>75493650Nah, Giants would be Giant Salamanders. Trolls would probably be... idk, horned toads?Also, Elves would probably be better represented as Tree Frogs.One does wonder what race the Suriname Toad would be...
>>75487733I loved that book as a child!
Warforged are just wind-up Frogs? I don't know, man.
Dragonborn are just smaller snakes?
>>75502226>not calling them WarfroggedMissing out on prime pun opportunities, you are.
>>75502662I am actually fucking livid I didn't think of that.
>>75501423>What would be the Dragon equivalent in Frogworld? Salamanders?already been mentioned, >>75493650 they'd be weird extinct species of Amphibian, at least in form, their origins are probably weirder though>>75496943well since the sapient races of the setting are Amphibians, I'm thinking most of the wildlife and monsters would be invertebrates or fish, albeit really weird fantasy ones>>75502016Giant feels like it'd be more a descriptor than a species in this setting, like occasionally you'd just have a Frog or Toad end up weirdly huge for their species, as for Elves well you're probably not wrong but sticking with them being Salamanders because not only is that what the art has them as >>75489969 but it also helps keep things from being too Frog/Toad oriented(also it lets us have Olms be the setting's equivalent to Drow), and it makes for some fun lore implications that the Elves and Halflings/Axolotls(who need a better name here) are kin to the Goblins and Trolls who are also Salamanders/Newtsas for Surinam Toads, well they'd probably just be a weird subrace of Frog or Toad or maybe even Orc>>75502226>>75502662>>75502684having a race of constructs could be interesting, like they're the remnants of some ancient fallen civilization, a clue to the past much like the Dragons are>>75502295>Dragonborn are just smaller snakes?well we already have the Caecilians as both Gnomes and Kobolds, with the latter being Dragon Cultists whose leaders and elites take on draconic aspects so Dragonborn as a race feels a bit redundant(particularly since we also established that some Dragons aren't all that much bigger than regular folk in size)
>>75501423Herons.Non-player races can be non-amphibians.
>>75490279So pitch something unique fuckle chuck
>>75503789>>75503086I think using larger amphibians for dragons would kind of be cheap, when using birds fits thematically with a large flying monster while flipping the dynamic of cold blooded vs warm blooded. Instead larger extinct species could be their own category, like Tarrasques except there’s multiple and they’re more common. I really like the idea of a wooden/vine servitor race created by the ancient progenitor race of tortoises to do all their grunt work while they were busy smoking pipes and pondering the mysteries of the swamp. I think having a race based off those birds that clean alligator’s teeth that are savage and worship the tarrasque lizards could be a cool twist on Dragonborn. Seeing as how they’re related to the Dragonbirds, worship large monsters, and would be naturally antagonistic towards PC races.
>>75503973see I was angling towards the idea that this world has no Reptiles, Birds, or Mammals at all, it's only Amphibians and Fish among the Vertebrates, and then of course all the Invertebrates, that way we'd actually have to get creative for the wildlife and monsters of the setting instead of just having giant versions of things like Herons or Alligators as the monsters which feels too predictable
>>75504281I think taking birds and giving them the enormous monstrous qualities they have from a frog's perspective is actually more creative than making bigger amphibians for monsters.It kinda puts a neat thematic bow on the premise.
>>75503973>wooden servitor raceThis reminds me of the second race of man according to Popol Vuh: made from wood and sticks, but were too emotionless that they abuse others and forget to praise the gods. So they got Noah'd and the survivors became monkeys.So the Warfrogged could be a similar, 'previous reject of creation' kinda thing that were reactivated and repurposed as war machines by later races - which got them their moniker, despite war not being their original purpose.
>>75504281>>75504355see this is the type of shit that I am present for. I think that a middle ground exists though, with the plane or world or whatever you want to label it as where the setting is being comprised entirely of an endless swamp. There are variations, the copses of the Elves, the small “oceans” with ferocious Crustacean beasts, the underground caves populated by massive insects. All life within it is like >>75504281 says. However, the ancient Tortoises managed to discover other planes, with shockingly different life forms. This is where the draconian winged creatures originated from, transported on a rare shortsighted whim. Not only does this add to the mythos of the creatures, but it adds in a nice touch of eldritch-ness to them. Their rules are alien, their being is alien, their warm blooded-ness and hollow bones are alien. Their smaller servants are savage, confusing, and alien. Their very being presents an ever present and almost impossible to solve conflict that can easily drive any race to adventure what do you guys think? >>75504381taking this post into consideration, what if the Warfrogged were originally created as explorers for these alien dimensions? Unsure of the nature of these realms, it’d make sense that the Tortoises would create a non-biological construct to scope them out and report back. This also ties in with the current setting, as the existence of these beasts in the prime plane where the setting takes place means the Warfrogged have a natural affinity towards dealing with them.
>>75504507I'm on board for storks from the stork dimension.
also, as a slightly different avenue for discussion, what about the general mythology of the Swamp? Given the nature of it, the entirety of life being very similar, I think there should be a singular incredibly vague creator god. Perhaps they are dead from the act of creation, giving their body over to creation for a place for it to inhabit. They aren’t so much worshipped as accepted, and are not an active player in the scope of the Swamp’s realms. However, I think the actual active Gods should be incredibly diverse and as small as possible. Every river, bog, copse, ocean, cave, settlement, and Dwarven city should have their own patron deity. The path to Godhood should be fairly easy, and I think it’d make sense for a fair few of them to be occupied by especially ambitious Tortoises. It just doesn’t feel right for the idea I have for there to be say 5-10 Gods of large concepts in a world populated by amphibians and made mostly of murky brackish water. It should be an age and place of small gods.
>>75504507>>75504640>Tortoisesyou do know that Tortoises aren't Amphibians right?
>>75504744I just assumed. They kind of fit thematically in my opinion. They’re slow, frail, wise, but if something else fits better as an actual amphibian I’m not married to the idea of the progenitor race being Tortoises. Personally I don’t have anything better to do other than constantly monitor this thread and post ideas, but I don’t want my ideas to be the ones that are used if they don’t work. I just want to make something cool about fantasy frogs
>>75504744Maybe they also originated from another plane in the distant past and 'naturalized', and have only relatively recently discovered this fact - and thus, their efforts towards exploration of other planes were in fact trying to find out their ancestral, reptilian plane?
>>75487733Dungeon Degenerates has in its lore a faction/race called Scroglins. There is higher and lower Scroglins who are either closer to or further away from an animal like state. Some scrogs are just funny looking amphibians whereas other like the guys pictured, are capable of civilisation and waging war.
this is just that amphibia thread from a couple weeks ago
>>75504507I could maybe get behind some birds being present as alien invaders, would actually give some justification regarding why the Dragons* are tolerated, cause they're one of the few major deterrents that the Amphibians have*sticking with my Dragon concept since these birds seem more along the line of Demons>>75504640the small gods thing aligns pretty well with my Dragon concept actually, the secret being that the first Dragons were originally mortal Amphibians who discovered fossils of long extinct species of Amphibian and used them as totems in magical rituals to achieve a form of immortality and power, not all Dragons are aware of this fact since many were born Dragons in the eons since that ancient time rather than converted from mortal form, and indeed the original rites are mostly lost, though lesser forms of it are used by the Dragon cults to enhance their high priests and elite warriors and assassins into lesser draconic forms(basically the setting's equivalents to things like Wyverns, Wyrms, and Hydras among other lesser draconic monsters) also at least one poor bastard accidentally used a fossil of a "Stem-Tetrapod" instead of an actual Amphibian, turning them into some misshapen abomination that is unimaginably powerful magically, but also very much a twisted and insane being even by Dragon standards, to borrow a quote from Gravemind, a "Monument to all Your Sins", if he has a cult then it's probably the most blasphemous one in the known world>>75504925>Maybe they also originated from another plane in the distant past and 'naturalized', and have only relatively recently discovered this fact - and thus, their efforts towards exploration of other planes were in fact trying to find out their ancestral, reptilian plane?could be interesting to have them be a sort of "Angel" equivalent as counterpart to the Birds being "Demons"
The Dark Eye's Krakonians are relevant to this thread. Basically maritime toad people who used to rule the world in one of the previous ages before the land folk came about. They now inhabit some coastal stretches and basically function as sea orcs.
>>75505217Forgot my pic.
>>75505239Another, older image that some might call more "soulful".
>>75505142I love the idea of Warging into some fantasy creature through the usage of tribal magics based in ritual, and I love the idea of a lot of “gods” being mortals that figured out how to do some evil type shit to obtain a far more powerful being. That really fits the idea of Godhood being a short path. I’m kind of hung up on your distinction though. In my head, the Birds fill the role exactly of Dragons in any other setting; intelligent, uncontrollable, forces of nature that compel civilizations to slay them. I do see a lot of merit to your idea of them being Demons instead, and I think it opens a lot of doors flavor-wise. The thing I’m hung up on though, is that a warped corrupt visage of a God seems like a Demon to me, and a flying, eldritch, unstoppable beast seems like a Dragon. Just my two cents, either way the lore is fantastic. Please fluff out some of these dudes and their cults regardless of what they end up being called. >>75505217>>75505239>>75505256is their an English version? possibly a translation? either way thanks for the tip my guy>>75504966I’ll read up on them for any bits juicy enough to steal, thanks man
>>75505348>is their an English version? possibly a translation? either way thanks for the tip my guyI don't know about a translation, I just grabbed a quick screenshot from my pdfs and didn't want to crop out the entire text in case some German-speaking Anon wasn't familiar with them. I guess that felt a bit like teasing.The rulebook where I grabbed this from is "Aventurisches Bestiarium", maybe ask in the share thread if there is an English translation, or maybe some other Germanons can help you out.If this thread is up tomorrow I will type up a translated version of the flavour text, but now I'm off to bed.
>>75487733What are we doing about their preference for in-between environments? Unlike murder-apes who can simply stitch together skins amphibians must control moisture while also avoiding infection of their vulnerable skin. I imagine water magic is as much a perquisite to their civilisation as fire is to ours. Rains, underground rivers and mists expand the inhabitable world while ungainly toads brave the dry wastes and mangrove engineers reclaim the saltwaters.
>>75505348>I’ll read up on them for any bits juicy enough to steal, thanks manNo worries. I quite enjoy the imagery of this particular setting.
>>75487733I got one
>>75508039good laff, but you could post fluff my man.>>75508119good fluff, but cmon man, add some of your own>>75505637I like this. maybe Rain Shamans are common amongst the Frog (Humans), but less so amongst the Toads (Dwarves). It stands to reason that as the hardiest, dry ground based people they aren’t as dependent on moisture. The Elf Salamanders are fire based in their magics, but any fluff is appreciated.here’s a little something:>amidst the various depths of the Swamp dwells the bones of Gorn, the Felled King>savage, mighty, and unstoppable was his host of Orks, the Giant King>beneath the murk of the Swamp lay the bones of him; his host, his kin>should an adventure discover the remains, the peril of the Skybeasts shall become redundantit’s a sad state when /tg/ lets a faggot like me run amuck on a worldbuilding thread
>>75508769>good laff, but you could post fluff my man.thread needed a bump and I didn't have anything else ready, so I just grabbed the first frog related thing I could find in my pics
>>75508769>add some of your ownAs in attack moves? Yeah I could but they're just a joke race I made up as a joke on myself for trying to make Dragonborn subraces though so I didn't think much on movesOr do you mean races? I've got a BorzoiFolk race that I should touch up on
>>75508799suck my four legged amphibious cock then pal>>75508801I love you all the same my friend, but no idea is a bad idea. A magical amphibian that shits gold? we’ll sure take it. >>75508813anything, and I do mean ANYTHING, no matter how niches, dumb, cliche, or stupid, will help out. I know any lurker of this thread has good ideas, so let em out. They might not be the same when they reach the end, but they will be used somehow.
Isn't this just Amphibia?
>>75509289>Isn't this just Amphibia?that joke's already been done buddy
>>75505348>I love the idea of Warging into some fantasy creature through the usage of tribal magics based in ritual, and I love the idea of a lot of “gods” being mortals that figured out how to do some evil type shit to obtain a far more powerful being. That really fits the idea of Godhood being a short path.becoming a Dragon(or being born one) is obviously far from the only path to godhood, but it is probably one of the most noticeable ones, among other paths I imagine becoming a higher tier Undead is a common one(those old legends about miners finding rocks deep in coal mines that had still living frogs inside especially come to mind), as is achieving a bond with Nature in some form or another, and of course what's probably the most common path to Divinity; having enough people offer prayer and/or worship to you1/2
>>75511419>>75505348>I’m kind of hung up on your distinction though. In my head, the Birds fill the role exactly of Dragons in any other setting; intelligent, uncontrollable, forces of nature that compel civilizations to slay them. I do see a lot of merit to your idea of them being Demons instead, and I think it opens a lot of doors flavor-wise. The thing I’m hung up on though, is that a warped corrupt visage of a God seems like a Demon to me, and a flying, eldritch, unstoppable beast seems like a Dragon. Just my two cents, either way the lore is fantastic. Please fluff out some of these dudes and their cults regardless of what they end up being called.I'm kinda tying it at least partially to their origins, while the exact origins of Dragons aren't known to most people(or indeed to a lot of Dragons themselves) everyone is able to tell that they are Amphibians of some form and thus of this world, meanwhile the Birds are strange and unnatural, unlike any life native to this world, the closest thing to them are the similarly alien Turtles, and since the Turtles are basically considered Angels/Deva(indeed I imagine the most widespread singular religion is probably based around them and the Godhead they themselves claim to serve), it makes sense that the Amphibians have decided that the Birds are Demons/Asura, a belief that the Turtles have done little to dispel, and the Birds indeed have come to embrace to varying degrees(not all Birds are malevolent mind you, but even the more amiable ones appreciate the respect their image as "Demons" brings them)and that's not even going into some of the more supernatural traits I'm picturing Birds to have2/2
>>75487733I like it. I'll shamelesly steal from Amphiterra.These are a hivemind of cute foamy frogs.I'll leave a link because there is some good shit over therehttp://amphiterra.weebly.com/
Somewhat on-topic of the thread, what're some good frog/toadmen miniatures? There's a disgusting lack of them, especially since Slann became fat hero units.
What about psychedelic toads? You know, the ones that have a haluzinogenic secretion coming out of their back skin? Will they work as mediums, prophets and fortune-tellers? Maybe as priests?
Yeah I'm thinking frogs are epic
>>75511419>Undead and NecromancyCroaker Cults are plentiful in the deeper swamps, and most wanted to elevate their leaders into Croaker Lords - undead demigods which is the first step towards becoming an undead god. These Croaker Lords differ from place to place; the Bloated Prophets, Fungal Wardens and Parasite Eves of the swamps are as different to each other as the Dry Lords of the desert.
behold the terror of amphibian kind
>>75491701Kulipari. It was so-so.
>>75519386you hit the nail on the head, there'd be a large variety of methods of creating Undead>>75518955well yeah many Frogs and Toads(and Orcs and Ogres as well) are poisonous, as are many of the Salamander/Newt races, even some of the Caecilians probably are, so dealing with poisons is probably a very common and important aspect of life in this world
>>75521552>well yeah many Frogs and Toads(and Orcs and Ogres as well) are poisonous, as are many of the Salamander/Newt races, even some of the Caecilians probably are, so dealing with poisons is probably a very common and important aspect of life in this worldI don't just mean poisons, but specifically haluzinogenics. Sure, they are poison for smaller animals and only haluzinogenic to humans, but we should be allowed to bend the rules a little.
>>75490238looks cool, anon. any plans for a release yet?
>>75511419>>75511510>>75519386>>75521552While a Croaker Lord is indeed a threat big enough to consume entire towns or regions, to truly obtain Godhood requires a Croaker Lord to bind a Dragon to his command. The Dragon’s soul is twisted into a vessel for the Croaklord’s own soul, and the skeletal body is then inhabited by an unholy melding of the two beings. >>75521971>>75518955your spelling of hallucinogenic is giving me a stroke. outside that though, I think having a 4-5 elemental magic system would be cool. Flame, Rain, Poison, and some other swamp related stuff. As for hallucinogenics specifically having a large vaguely religious faction of various races that devote themselves to vision quests to predict the future could be neat.For the landmarks, the majority of the plane is Swamp (Grandbog? The Mire? We need a name) to the north lies the Dwarven populated deserts, circling that are large mountains where the majority of the birds nest. The further into the heart the Swamp one travels, the harsher and more alien the terrain becomes. The heart is more of an ocean of brackish water than a swamp and remains of Tortoise civilization are most heavily concentrated here. We need more descriptions of the various societies
>>75490238It looks nice my dude
If you haven't seen Amphibia its got some neat stuff to mine
It'd be cool to see a greater siren, as some kinda Yuan-Ti/Gorgon expy, being a big snake bastard.
>>75523613>your spelling of hallucinogenic is giving me a strokeOh my bad, native language was creeping in. Or maybe I just licked too many toads.
Here is some lore:All the frogs like to suck up each others poo poo and then smoosh it up by compressing their eyes in to their head and flattening their pallette on to their tongues
>>75534662Dude, fap before you post, man. Way to out your scat fetish.