Gloria-Etalia is a kitchen sink setting which sprung up into existence when OP gave /tg/ an Empty map and people doodled things onto it. Tecnobarbarians living a nation away from a mess of small nation states. Evil Treants plotting world domination by slowly expanding their empire. An intricate war game between an ancient dragon and a troll who rules a kingdom. It is a world full of nations interacting with each other, and the people interacting in turn.PLEASE UPLOAD YOUR SHIT TO THE WIKI> Thread QuestionsWhat holy sites does each religion have? What is the most popular alcohol in each pert of the world? What do 'primitive' nations do when they find archeotech or technological artifacts? (stuff like a Treant finding a fridge or, an Uzataar raider finding a chainsword)> Ongoing projectsGURPS (one guy doing it)CYOA (possibly abbandoned)CK3-ModNaming-Redo with AI designing conlangs>List of lore that needs workhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1kYQRklR-RTMwvtHkh1kRvBi_SNooO8iNN-38zhQme2w/edit?usp=sharing> Wikihttps://gloriaetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Gloria-Etalia_Wiki> MEGA with Fileshttps://mega.nz/folder/7lYHkCCT#6JSP9fyLw_zPwRyFdpCmDA.> Picture StandardisationPick whatever image you want for your nation, use your image editing software of your preference to make it 500x500 (it's much easier to work with squares, trust me)Then go to lunapic.com, upload the 500x500 image, go to the tab 'art', select the effect 'fairy' and post the result on the thread.>Thread 16http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/74636875/>Thread 17http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/74680656/>Thread 18http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/74693160> Thread 19http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/74753817> Thread 20http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/74816419> Pic relatedOstrog-Babas (a Ruskatan magitech tool of War)
>>74847949>op pic"Let me just pick this up for you"
>>74847949OP, please remember to post some maps, don't just drop op and leave it like this
BIOME MAP, since OP couldn't be bothered
BLANK MAP, since OP proves all the old sayings right
>>74848362I stopped posting them maps because they are linked in the MEGA and noone uses them anyway
>>74848548I think atleast politcal map should be posted, so if some new comes he sees what is the whole fuss about.
>>74848602Yet of all pics you didn't post that one.
>>74848742I didn't post the rest, i just pointed that out.>>74847949Anyways in last thread i asked one question, but since thread ended no one had chance to answer it, here goes:>Has anyone yet writen about interactions between real gods? Like beteen Miracle of Creation and Wild Lord, or Forge Father (if he can be considered god) and black goat? Do they even know that other gods exist?
>>74847949Since we are still on stage of posting maps, how about this one?At the moment is more of proof of concept, but in an hour i'l be starting GMing session so no way in hell i'l be able to finish it today.As you can see its mostly coasts, but it will be slowly filled out by hand over next few days and weeks. I think my estimate for end of the work on strictly visible map, would be end of the month.
>>74847949>magitechWe've had this argument before and most anons don't want magitech in the setting.
>>74849092Of and i almost forgot, we will be needing maps of, well everything. So unless you wan't me to fill in the blanks of your favourite nation or region, i'd gladly welcome some map.
>>74849092What's that Randomass Crater at the middle? There is actually a height map for this setting already let me dig it out.One odd thing to do will be the World sar as it's just a ~500 meter deep vertical hole. (I think it should be considered wasteland for gameplay purposes)The shape of the continent is right though. Good job anon, can't wait to see the final result!
>>74848849The forge father ascended in an underground temple factory so I doubt he has interacted with other terrestrial deities. The wildlord doesn't sound like a deity that cares about anything outside of his forests and women. That said who knows, they could have some degree of knowledge of each other but likely they won't interact until one encroaches on the others territory.
>>74849158There is plenty of reginional maps which help fill out some details, same with climate maps religious maps etc. I will be able to help out directly with place names assigning counties,duchies,kingdoms,empires De Jure and normal only after the 28th of September. Once you have the map "ready" for that stage I'll create the Discord Server as that's when the real work on the project can start.
>>74849092Oh that looks promising. I'm down when you want help coming up with +550 plus "barony" level names anon.
>>74849452Basicaly look of anything that is not on coast is result of wildly painting terrain by hand so it would reach coast borders, since less ardeous ways of doing it didn't seem to work for me.I know of this height map, and i will definietly use it to extent, but it definietly always felt little clunky, for lack of better word. It also contradicted regional map of radmir i made before this world height map was created, so i will surely use one made be me when in radmir
>>74849631Fair enough I guess.
>>74846981>2 of them exist summarized on the wiki.Huh, I forgot that I never did summarize the third game. Nothing particularly memorable happened but if anyone is interested, then here it is.>Be Me, DM>Be not me, two bastard river mermaids fixing to have themselves some fun>Set in a small Ecinevian port town>They mess around fucking with a captian and his ship until it goes into port>The also mess with a fisherman and harass the dockworkers >One of the mermaids has alter self and uses it to sneak into town as a human >Has no clothing apart from a few scraps>Is not used to walking at all and stumbles around a lot>These two things get her caught by a guard almost immediately>Mermaid makes up a story about how she was ambushed on the road and everything she had on her was stolen>Guard is mostly convinced, but think she might just be crazy so guides her to the physician to be checked up on >There she receives a simple liten gown and is left in the patient’s room while the physician gets is tools>Sees a window in the back and a jar full of strange objects (ye old gummy drops)>steals the jar and smashes the window to escape>Is now on the streets, trying to find where the sail supplies is stored so she can burn the building to the ground >Still walks like she never used legs before (which she hasn't) and gets stopped by a dockmaster wondering what is going on>Convinces him that she is fine and inquires about the location of ship supplies, namely sails>The dockmaster asks why and the mermaid says to fix up her ship>Partially fails her deception and the dockmaster narrows her eyes>She is worried that the ship is illegally moored off of the docs to avoid paying the proper dues>The dockmaster inquires about the location of the ship >(1/2)
>>74850210>Mermaid deflects poorly and asks about the location of supplies again>Dockmaster, now thinking that she wants to steal ship supplies as well, calls over a guard>Mermaid goes to run, but doesn’t get far with her land legs >Gets grabbed by two guards and is starts to get hauled off >Mermaid screams her friends name>At the docks the other mermaid hears, and quickly formulates a masterful plan to help her friend>She propels herself onto the dock and starts screech at the top of her lungs>This goes on for a good 30 seconds until one of the dockhands takes a running kick and her and punts her back into the water>A distant screech can be heard as two guards drag the mermaid away>The mermaid drops alter self to the shock of the guards and grows some spikes to get them off of her>Succeeds and after a few tries dives back into the water>Everybody is watching at this point and the dockmaster gives a long winded speech about how mermaids are worse than rats and how they could be productive and civilised they could enjoy the grace of Gloria-Etalia and humankind>The mermaids ignore her and as the dockmaster stomps off the sample the candy>The jar was taken from her but she sneaked a few away before that happened>They try it and find it to be the most delicious thing they had ever tasted>As everyone is going back about their business there is a groan as the mermaids pop their heads back up>There is more of a shock when the mermaids ask for Kandee and are willing to trade for it>It’s midmorning by this time, and a fisherman walks up to them with a bucket>If they fill the bucket with fish he will get them candy>The mermaids do so with a surprising speed>The fisherman, impressed, goes away and comes back with some chocolate>The mermaid grabs it and shoots back into the water>The session ends with the two enjoying chocolatey goodness and the bottom of the river
>>74849092I honestly thought you wouldnt deliver on your promises.
>>74847949>What holy sites does each religion have?The ArnThe stone ring, where the ancestors became the ArnLake Gata, the gateway between the land of the living and the deadRöde's breath, the valley passage through the mountains into Ruskata where the winter god's breath is said to blow cold and strongThe shifting bayIn Sanukinuiq where Skala and Veles are said to have wed>The irradiated wastes, where Lomonos slumbers and the dwarven homeland lies hidden (I'm adding Lomonos to the northern pantheon if anons are cool with it since enough dwarves migrated north to have established a stronghold)>What is the most popular alcohol in each pert of the world?Mead in Skrug>What do 'primitive' nations do when they find archeotech or technological artifacts?Kill or harm themselves accidentally. Otherwise get killed by others who want the tech, or become rich by selling it. Occasionally someone of enough skill takes a weapon and becomes something of a legend. A fridge without a power source might be used as a chest I guess?
>>74850231Yup, that is pretty much how I envisioned them.>>74849092The coast lines are impressively accurate
>>74849631>but it definietly always felt little clunky, for lack of better wordThe original height map is very much about the summary of how things are, and not the detail. A real topographic map would be a lot more... complicated. For example, we know that the Wall of the World is a brutally high mountain range, with its tallest peaks higher than those on Earth, and some hugely deep valleys. It's less traversable than the Himalayas and inhabitants mostly have less technology for doing so than we do. The few passes are very valuable even when they're terribly awkward.
>>74847393This has got to be non-canon, but it did make me laugh. Well done.
>>74850846its meta-canon, like human scientists that created fantasy races on planet for shit and giggles
>>74850927Go few threads back, its all there
>>74850952No to this >>74847393
>>74849092>>74847949Filled out more of the Religions. Things that need to be added:> Some dead/extinct Faiths> Faiths in the "Faiths of the Marshes" category> Faiths in the "Faiths of the Zephyr Mountains" category
>>74851589Wrong one uploaded.
>>74850963I like >>74847393 . It's silly memery and not serious but is a good joke.
>>74850891>its meta-canonIt's non-canon (this isn't California, Duality-damnit!). It can be canon in some other setting if you make one for that, but it would shit things up too much to have it here.Look, the problem is that we're trying to make a setting with internal logic such that players can believe that their characters can have actual motivations. The suggestion comes across as the abnegation of that; it's just stuff that some kids would say for a few years to get a rise out of their parents, (There's nothing like the internet in the setting, or at least not where normal people are, so all youth cultures - where they exist at all, as this is a quasi-medieval setting - would be extremely local to large cities.(The problem isn't the name. The problem is the associated behaviors are not ones that would let a local small-scale cult grow to the point of being considered a religion.)
>>74852834It's fair. Still funny though.
This doesn't use the filter because it would hide the colors, but I found this outfit really good for the Celestial Empire nobility. It's not fully china, japan or korea but has mixed elements of all of them and follow the same color scheme described as black and red. Figure i'd post in case a drawfriend feels inspired
>>74847488>>74847311I never would have imagined converting this for GRUPS would be so difficult. Thank you so much for your work anon. I would offer to help but I've never used GRUPS and I have a lot on my plate already.>>74849092It's... beautiful...This is great anon, thank you. I've been meaning to make a map of the duchy for a while now, so I'll bump that up on my list for you.I do have to ask, why is it sideways? I assume it won't be like that for the final game.>>74848849>Has anyone yet written about interactions between real gods?No.>>74851774sweet, thanks.
>>74853748I picture the Suoxi Eurasian ish anyway.
>>74852834Stop debating a meme, noone thinks was intended to exist in setting
>>74848318>>74847949Hand grab meme is what it reminded me.
>>74849631I'll now dump local maps so maybe you can infer a height map for local regions from them.
>>74858285Radmir Local Map
>>74858285Celestial Empire Local Map
>>74858285Necroswampers Local Map
>>74858285Tnz'qran Raiders Local Map
>>74858285Supprian Alliance Local Map
>>74858285Kingdom of Ivory "Local Map"(Just more detailed Map of Region from OG map)
>>74858285Qi-Fu "Local Map"(Just more detailed Map of Region from OG map)
>>74858285Westerasi Sea Local Map
>>74858285Chiefdom of Uraka Local Map
>>74858285Ram's Head Local Map (I think Unfinished)
>>74858285Closest We have to a Ram's Head Local Map
>>74858285Another Local Map of a Tiny Westerasi Region
>>74858285> Westerasi Dejure Empires(the HGA probably should be considered an Empire)
>>74858285Uzataar Khanate Dejure or Vassal Kingdoms
>>74858285War of the Fire-Rose Dunno if this can be used in any way.
>>74854221>I do have to ask, why is it sideways? I assume it won't be like that for the final game.My monitor isn't really that big, so i had to get creative to show biggest possibile chunk of what's done.
>>74849092I noticed an error in the map. It missed the 4 tiny islands arround which the Quizlo-Fizon live.
>>74858887They are to the north, and this screen just didnt catch them. So dont worry about it.
>>74858913Got it. Neat.
>>74858922I even made this screen yesterday, but decided against posting it since its still not really finished
>>74859402Now i think of it, its good time tto bring up one thing that could be considered problem - those islands, and black sand ones are extremly small, and i'm not really sure if playing in those regions would be pleasurable experience. Because of this i think best course of action would be trying to increase scale of those archipelagos, but i think its something that should be accepted, or dismised by the thread, not just me
>>74859553Isn't barony/duchy size something one can vary? Im okay with you up-scaling them by 10-20% and then just making lots of tiny tiles.We can also spice up the Pirate Council by giving them decisions to get event troops "rally the Pirates" etc.Well they're technically speaking a councilstate or Republic so they won't be playable at the start
>>74859553Hmm... the scale I think they should have should be ~small Kingdom.So 2 duchies on the big island with 3 counties. Then all the smaller islands are a single duchy with 2 counties or a single country.How I would spice them up is giving them "Raiding" as well as decisions which let them 'Rally the Pirate Armada" which gives you event troops.Another thing one could do is "Shadow Vassals" basically have not just vassals which own land, but also Vassals which are Pirate Captains and kind of just exist raiding stuff in the water.
>>74858285Doing god's work anon
>>74859634>>74859589Thanks for responses, i think i'l try to increase their size a little, but for now i think i will focus on continental parts of the worldAlso last screen i'l post in a while, can some anon guess what island is this?
>>74860768It's the heretics of Radmir isn't it?
>>74859553Remember that Iceland is a thing in ordinary CK2/3, a two-province island that's completely fucking worthless.
>>74861200I know, the problem is that atm half of the black sand islands are literaly too small to put an city on them. Idealy on every island there should be atleast one holding for pirate captain. Or atleast i think so.
>>74861200The problem here is that irl Iceland was a worthless shithole while in GE lore the Black Sand Islands are what controls 90% of all Westerasi Pirates and while they are not a major power they are a regional one. Or in the very least a massive annoyance.
>>74861315isn't there a thing like a barony, where you don't have a physical location, just an implied one? Maybe some pirates are baron level dudes
>>74861553You can solve that by giving pirate lords a 'raise fleet' event every once in a while, ensuring that even though their land domains are shit, they are always able to raid
So I checked the Wiki and Noticed that the Zehyr Mountains literally have no Lore. So time to go for it.The Zephyr mountains are named after Emperor Zephyr the 2nd. The Last ruler of the Empire of Drache. His father having died in the War of the necromancers left his young son as to watch over a collapsing Empire riddled by plague and hunger.Overwhelmed by this stress sources say that the Emperor and a large portion of nobility fled somewhere west to Reestablish the Empire. For centuries the people of Komjatina and the Marshes would venture West to look for the Rebornn Empire of Drache only to be trapped at the Zephyr Mountains. The Zephyr Mountains are not the Tallest mountain range in the World with that Honor going to the World Spine and Wall of the World, but they are the trickiest to navigate. The mountain chain is riddled with caves, with so many caves in fact some mountains look like Swiss Cheese. Traveling over the mountains is a treacherous journey as at any time land under your feet might collapse making you fall into a cave sometimes causing massive landslides. The safest way to travel trough the mountains is thus trough the 'lower tunnels' said caves lay at the feet of mountains and thus are hard and stiff. Without a local guide never expect to find your way out though.The Natives of the Zephyr mountains are simply called "The Cave Men" by the people of Komjatina, in spite of mostly being just Goblins of Humans. That is because unlike the GE worshiping Vampires the people of the Zephyr mountains mostly worship "The One Who Sings". The one who Sings is the personification of the great Western Wind which when blowing trough the mountains makes the Mountains "sing" as wind travels trough the caves. The Locals claim that the one who sings bestows gifts and blessings. Such believes are seen as barbaric paganism by the civilized people's of The region.
>>74863212You need to thicken the broth and write more, also follow the standardization model
>>74863212You're not Welcome
>>74863212The Cavemen of the Zephyr mountains once used to enrich themselves by leading adventurers and diplomats trough the mountains or by transporting luxury goods from side to side.This is not possible anymore. The Hobgoblins of the Thoughtcraft Commune to keep their land secret have forbidden the Natives from this practice and Hobgoblin Samurai roam the Mountain Ranges executing anyone who would dare bring an outsider into the Tunnels. Still this trade continues in more remote parts of the mountains to a large extent thanks to foreign influence. The Zephyr Mountains are a place where many Exiled Vampired end up. Stripped of the Protection of Komjatinas eternal night, the Infinite Caves of Zephyr seem like the only other place where they can live and plot a return to Komjatina. Such formerly exiled Vampire lords have indeed lead many raids on Komjatina and even at times on Khanate lands.The myth about the New Drache Empire also has not been lost, rather it has transformed. It isn ow believed that the Caves lead downwards and that eventually one of said Caves leads to the City of New Khesselina, where the old Drache Empire and all it's old Riches still survive. As such the Zephyr Mountains have become a grave to many adventurers from either side of the mountain range.Other Caveman tribes found themselves swearing loyality to the Great Khan to gain protection from the Hobgoblins and other dangers.
>>74863286>>74863289People who don't contribute don't get to complain.
>>74863289wtf man? what did he do>>74863286Standarization is for nations, its an region, why should it be standardized
>>74863354You can't use this as an excuse to wave off any criticism. We're all anonymous, no one can tell who contributed anything. For all we know, you're a troll who is looking to make this project worse by making it appear to be a Redditesque safe space.
>>74863354>people who don't contributeThis is an anonymous project so I'll give you a pass, but don't be so quick to jump to assumptions, I create a lot of the shit around here. Also don't be defensive of your stuff, you know it's thin and needs work, so instead of getting offended at feedback, you could work on it.Also this >>74863289 is our resident shitposter, affectionately baptized Barrier-anon. Barrier-anon likes to use insults and comments hurled at them to hurl at others. You should always ignore barrier anon. This goes for >>74863356>>74863425This.
>>74863333Holy QuadsMajor Factions within the Zephyr Mountains> The Coalition of 10 CountsThe 10 Counts are the Major Vampire counts in the area and are a major pain to the people of Komjatina. They lack the manpower to wage open war as such they have a habit of of trying to cause populist revolts instead. Disguising themselves as genuine Vampire counts and attacking the local humans to make them think their lord broke the Peace between man and Vampire. This tactic has initially lead to many successes and count Radimir even manged to use the other 9 counts to restore his ruler over his domain, but not for long before the forces of the Grand Duchy chased them out back into the mountains. Where they still plot, wasting their eternal lives. > The Sons of DracheA relatively new religious sect which worships the old Drache Empire as Divine. Due to their militarist and aggressive tendencies they tend to be shunned by civilized nation and wild tribe alike. As such they found their home in the Zephys mountains, at first a place of exile it became a spot of divine duty. The Sons of Zephyr are currently the main group trying to explore the deep underground and find the New Capital.> Clan GregaClan Grega is an ancient Goblin Clan which refused to cave into the demands of the Thoughtcrafters and were crushed for it, but due to their initial resistance they gained status among the Goblin and Human Clans of the region. Clan Grega is the closest to rulers the Cavemen have ever seen, though they mostly coordinate guerrilla warfare against the Samurai of the Commune as well as underground trade with the Khanate and Grand Duchy.> Clan KenA Clan which was insignificant up until merely 3 years ago when Keros Klen married Kusetra Sennen. A necromancer exiled from the Necroswampers for her treacherous nature. Trough the adoption of Necromancy, Clan Klen is trying to amass power in the region and expand their land.
>>74863425>>74863531You did not contribute to the Zephyr Mountains in the last 20 threads that is for sure. So don't fucking cry when someone else does what you were to lazy to touch.As for standardization. It does not work for a region without a unified culture, religion, state or ruler.
>>74863643If only contributors to a specific piece of lore are allowed to have opinions about that specific piece of lore, then 90% of the setting can only be discussed by its creator. Barely any of it is the result of multiple contributors.
>>74863735Anon is a sensitive sally and we are making him have a booboo on his soft frial feeling, anon.
>>74863735"You are not welcome." is not criticism it's being an asshole. The rule for critiquing shit was established many threads ago. If you critique something you are to present a rewrite or you might just as well be a troll. You don't like what I wrote? Rewrite it. Otherwise stop acting high and mighty.>>74863755Having a meltdown and telling people to leave over lore that was up for to short for you to read it. = sensible and totally not a chimping out niggerCalling out said chimping out niggers = an insult so outdated Joe Biden could have said it:^)
>>74863818Yeah, okay, your ego is so fragile that I'm not even going to give your creation any attention from this point. You'd just throw a tantrum that something you made isn't being treated like perfection.
So fellow anons, what's on the menu to work n today? I think all nations have some fluff now. Any nation that has very little compared to the others?
>>74863818>If you critique something you are to present a rewrite or you might just as well be a trollNo, you just posted that "rule" and have been using it ever since, even thought no one agreed on that. Fuck off.
>>74863931I really feel like you're just projecting too hard at this point for it to be believable.>>74863945For the religion chart it'd be neat to get something on the Various faiths of the Marshes of Drache.
>>74863989t. someone here just troll and sow unrestGo to the archive and it's the first response to one of the threads, most people agreed it's a mostly okay rule too.
>>74864024That post proposing that rule had no (or next to no) responses
>>74858487>>74858480>>74858477>>74858334Methinks you uploaded several thumbnails Anon.
>>74864053If you are moving the goalpost at least don't be still wrong.>>74864069Sadly yes, the links to the pictures are dead. I got some of the pics from the archive as I didn't remember to save all during the threads and those were not in the MEGA either.If someone has the good versions of those saved it'd be great.
>>74864127>If you are moving the goalpost at least don't be still wrong.In thread 17 propositon of this rule got three responses, on for, on against, on that talked about other things from postOnly you care about this "rule" no one else.
>>74864394>This is not reddit, there is no point trying to farm likes.And yet you act like you own the place like redditors often do.
>>74864187>>74864422> No UOk, I am not feeding the troll anymore.
>>74864499>everyone is troll except me
The less (you)s you give to trolls the best.That said, I'm really hyped for the CK3 mods, though until we get to the point where we needs names, events and art, I can't really contribute
>>74864538You can always help out with the religions. That's something that can be prepared before the map is done.I know though that real work can only start once the map is there
>>74864008Who updated the religion chart last? I wanted to ask what's up with Vesterlands and Lahaila since it doesn't really match the lore? Also after i do this ranger stuff, I'm going to revive that arctic continent, because I liked how it looked. I don't intend on using it to "break the setting" or anything like other people said someone else intended. I plan on making the small settlements on the southeast shore outposts of Storm Islander exiles who rebelled against the theocracy. What do you guys think is up there besides them though? What horrors, abberations, or post apoc stuff? Is that piece just the tip of a larger frozen continent? Does Gloria Etalia have a a reverse-equator situation we can address way way later on?>T. Mukwesk
>>74865500Even if you dont inted to break the setting - you will. Gloria etalia was pangea, so lets keep it that way.
>>74865500I originally proposed that continent and people generally opposed it. Let's keep it out.
>>74865500>I'm going to revive that arctic continentYou shouldn't.
>>74865500>>74865558Also since other anon already starter making ck3 mod, maybe dont invalidate everything he did until now.
>>74860768That one island in the middle of the westrasi sea. Either the free city or that other one only on the regional map.>>74863945I'm glad you asked. While religions do need to be built upon and fleshed out, we have a ton of nations that need lore, with some needing to be fleshed out entirely. Here is the list of everything that needs to be fleshed out:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kYQRklR-RTMwvtHkh1kRvBi_SNooO8iNN-38zhQme2w/edit?usp=sharing>>74864127All pictures can be found in the archive files for a thread. Let's say you want a picture from thread 4, then you can either download the .html page with the folder, and get it from there or go to the folder directly. It's all on the mega.
>>74865558>>74865566>>74865581>>74865583Ok well I'm putting in my own Gloria Etalia then. I don't remember GE specifically being pangea but whatevs I'm not gonna make a thing noone wants.>Anyone who wants the juicy spicy artic continent DLC can subscribe to my only fans ;)So anyway does anyone know wtf is up with the religions in Vesterland/Lahaila? It doesn't match the lore and there's been no new lore written for it, and since I asked several times, I'm just gonna change the religion map unless someone speaks up about it, because otherwise it's like someone added random religions in for no reason.
>>74865941Putting it in my own*
>>74865941Im pretty sure it was brought up when making the map. Just search the archive.
>>74865941Personally I think that the new artic continent should only be consitered after everything has been fleshed out on the main continent.No one fleshed out the lore for Vesterland/Lahaila, simple as that. If you want to write something feel free.
>>74865941Is this a troll?
>>74865941The religious map is final. It already had like 14 rewrites from people giving imput.If you want to add new lore please keep to it. Also the new continent is a no from me.
>>74866044We should kinda make a rule that once a thread is archived, everything no transferred to the wiki is fair game to be changed. if any anon wanna take archive and update the wiki, it's fine. But it's unfair to ask anything contributing to check a decentralized archive for keywords, we have the wiki for a reason. Wiki need to be the final say of everything, methinks.
>>74866207Maybe we should stop creating more rules?
>>74866207We already had the rule of " If it's not on the wiki it's not canon."People just don't care. Same as they don't care about the "if you criticize lore always offer a rewrite" and there is nothing we can do to make them care.
>>74866247>>74866272Eh. Fair. But rule or not, it's not reasonable to expect someone to read all the archive before contributing so I personally will only take lore into account when it's in the wiki.
People who don't upload lore to the wiki can't complain about that lore being lost or changed
>>74866639You sound like a cunt
>>74866207That sounds retarded. Not everyone is blessed with an abundance of free time anon.
>>74860768Holy shit anon, that looks good. Cant wait to play as something in westrasi.
>>74867314... creating a new thing and uploading it to the wiki is literally 2 minutes.Combing trough dozens of threads looking for lore takes way longer.
>>74859553Giant. Subterranean. Lava. Dungeon.
>>74866044>>74866171Well do you have any idea what thread it's in? I wasn't here for like a week or so. I wrote the lore for those nations, and people made the religious maps and it seemingly (because the colormap has several very similar colors so I don't actually know)doesn't go with the lore that was already written. You see what I'm saying now? Already established lore has been replaced with stuff that's not even in the wiki. >If you want to add new lore..No the map is the new lore. And it's not explained in the wiki>>74866152No I wrote a bunch of shit and took some time off and I'm trying to ask questions about religions that got added into nations I already wrote, but the changes aren't canonized in the wiki.
Can we get more about Dura and his bastards?
>>74867439Its in thread 15, vesteralnds religion wasn't specified so it was written of as gloria etalia, since it was generic religion to put incase of such situation in westrasia.
>>74867522Checked, we really need to have something more about it,
>>74867372people toss a unstructured blurb in the thread, disappear and then are upset about that not becoming canon, while some people write 1k words, upload to the wiki, find pictures and bother is structure and standartization
>>74867568You need to find a dark corner until your autism dies down a bit anon.
>>74867522>DuraI'm in the process of adding him and his most famous bastards to the wiki.
>>74867539It was a bit more complicated then that. There was two rival maps being produced, and the other one reflected the situation in Westrasi much better, but the anon making the "winning" map ignored a lot of good feedback so he could push the Church of Divine Duality into as many regions as possible, and eventually got his way more out of sheer persistence then out of actual agreement from other anons.
I'm personally of this opinion that the project's well and truly dying. Everyone's finished the details of the stuff that they actually enjoy and now there's nothing left to do than squabble over the details of stuff that they don't enjoy, without saving or tracking or paying attention to half of what was said previously. The only successful parts of the project are the parts based on what already exists like the maps and the stories, any attempt to add any new lore just fails miserably and contributes nothing interesting.Whoever was planning on making a Discord, please go ahead with it and continue with the project with four or five other anons in secret. If Gloria Etalia threads are going to continue down this path of inventing new rules to restrict people and squabbling over the tiniest details of new lore, they should just die.
>>74867668I think you overdramatizing it a little bit, since one of those two "rival" anons was me, and as i remember it was all in good spirits. Also i think people chose his map mostly because it was, well, looking better than mine.But you are right that he did had his vison of the map and wasn't always eager to change it.Also being completly honest i too made vesteralnds part of GE, heres the map in question
>>74867814And heres the other map
>>74867439>>74867539>>74867668Personally when I am writing regional stuff for the wikia, I include some stuff that acknowledges both maps, before going into detail on how religion actually works in the region in a manner that is much more nuanced then what is possible on a map.
>>74867539Thanks.What's the deal with Lahaila though? Like what religion is that? I'll go back and look at that thread.>>74867668I see. I just envisioned Vesterlands looking a bit more like Sisilla religiously, considering they are very much about their ancestral ways, and Lahaila I don't even know what religion is there, but they're essentially individualist capitalists, sooo.
>>74867840>Lahaila though? I think anon in question evisoned it as way to represent their own spirituality (irc there was something about this in their lore) but never wrote anything about it. I personaly just made them one of few secular countries in the region, because it felt more natural than creating new religion for them.
>>74867937The map shows the popular not national religion. It makes most sense for the population of secular countries to follow the most popular religion of the region.Also yeah. If countries had no religious lore I made my own, because noone else did.
>>74867539>>74867836I see it just doesn't make sense for CDD to be so prominent in the Mukwesk region. If you go back and read the lore, even if it's not explicitly stated, Places like Lazari would be affiliated with the Uorosian chapel if anything, because of their affiliation with Uoros. The Vesterlands are super into their ancestral kingdom. They would probably be into Wild Lord or some other vague nature shit.The Vesterlands actually had a blurb about how they basically had an individualist take on pagan beliefs, but it's not in the wiki anymore. The CotDD is even taking up the top half of Uoros? Jorivakia is explicitly multi-religious because it has members from all over , and their Jorivaki Code comes before their religion anyway. >>74867937I also have been thinking that they made Lahaila follow the mermaid religion, which confused me.>>74868045As the writer for most of the Mukwesk region, I thought I made it clear that although their were several very different nations there, they were generally made up of the sort of people that wouldn't fall in line with evangelical Gloria-Etlianism. I would think a mixture of Uorosian GE and remnants of ancient Westrasi paganism (whether it be Wild Lord or some other forest based paganism) would be the most prominent two beliefs in that region.
>>74868657Just because you wrote something, doesn't mean it belongs to you. You've got no right to dictate what these countries are like. If you don't like the religious maps, make your own. Otherwise, accept them.
>>74868657>mermaid religionits more of lovercraftian cultists ala innsmouth, and they were sprinkled along the coasts.
>>74868712>If you don't like the religious maps, make your own.We tried doing that last time, but someone kept insisting there can be only one religious map.Maps shouldn't be used as a backdoor way to retcon multiple regions.
I think I'm done with this project, good luck anons.
>>74868794You contributed nothing of value and you will not be missed.
>>74868821You are a troll cunt and have no way of knowing who contributed what.
>>74868794Thanks, its been pleasure, you will be missed
>>74868657No, you never wrote it and I can't read your mind. It's really to late to change it now.
>>74868835Says the troll who is trying to bait people into thinking that content makers are losing interest. No, you made nothing and you're just trying to convince us that the project is dying. Fuck off.
>>74868794Good bye, please don't come back just to act like that again.You acted like a diva and left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
>>74868781Stop trying to start drama. The thing with the maps was a friendly competition and then both map anons agreed one version was better.
>>74868878>not namefaging so no one knows how much he contributed>You acted like a diva and left a bad taste in everyone's mouth
>>74868657Because Lahaila lore literally only says they hate GE. So I literally chose at random.From other locally present faiths.
Guys, no one is leaving the project. It's just Barrier Anon baiting again
>>74868923Yes you did. If you had religions in mind for your Regina should have mentioned them in lore. You did not.
People are saying "this project is dead" since thread 6. Go check the archives. yet we blow through thread 20 in less than a day. We are fine. And if people want to leave, that's their prerogative.But people making posts saying "I'm leaving" are often looking to troll, disturbed or just annoy others. Ignore them.
>>74868980Im literaly not that anon. Stop acting paranoid.
>>74868821You are one real salty bitch aren't you?This >>74868794 doesn't read like a troll to me. There's no final petty insult, no last cutting barb, no invitation to continue the conversation. Its just someone wishing the rest of us well on their way out. If anyone is trolling on this thread its petty assholes like you
>>74869068Are you really so dumb that you don't know troll bait when you see it, or are you the troll yourself, trying to promote the idea that the project isn't thriving and more popular than ever?
>>74868712Except I wrote what kind of cultures they have, and what the people there are like, and what other countries they have affiliations with, and what their religious beliefs are. The religion part I wrote for Vesterlands is straight up deleted from the wiki. I read thread 15, and someone literally said>Hmm these countries don't explicitly state exactly what their religion is, so that means we can just give them to CotDD, so they can have more power.These countries already had cultures (and many of them actually had sections detailing their religious beliefs), that weren't taken into context. It's like "Oh hey this blurb about their culture and the blurb about religion don't line up with CotDD, but it doesn't explicitly say that it ISN'T CotDD, so let's just say that it is, so we cn give our OP Deus Vult church more dominion"I will make my own map, good idea.>>74868781Agreed, about the retconning>>74868849No I wrote it though, and now it's not in the wiki, (as far as Vesterlands goes)and other than that i wrote more than enough context for the whole region to obviously not fall in line with the Deus Vult branch of GE. That shit is even taking up half of Uoros, and places like Lazari and Jorivakia.
>>74869115>13 postersAnon, please, proiect was more popular and thats a fact, its not ending anytime soon, but lets not kid ourselves, ok?
>>74868909Both map anons agreed one version is better appearance wise, but lore wise several people don't like the existing map.I personally have come to terms with it, and have incorporated elements of it into lore that I have written, but can understand why Mukwesk anon doesn't like it because it added a bunch of stuff while he was elsewhere. Partially it is his own fault for not being more specific on stuff that was important to him, but the map maker definitely didn't go out of his way to respect all existing lore.
>>74869115Are you really so fucking jaded and self absorbed that you can't believe for a second that maybe other anons have actual reasons for not spending time on 4chan? or that they aren't as petty an asshole as you are that they actually wish others well instead of worrying over their precious OC don't steal.
>>74869149>The religion part I wrote for Vesterlands is straight up deleted from the wiki. If thats true that means we have someone griefing the wiki
>>74869149You should have stayed awayFirst of all you clearly did not read CoDD lore from the way you describe them.
>>74867788>I'm personally of this opinion that the project's well and truly dyingThere's so much more to be done. I remain interested in the stories that can be told about the interactions between civilizations and the landscape. The geopolitics, the economic implications, all that stuff. There's just so many interesting things that can be done.For example:* The midsummer heat in Celestia must be oppressive. Where does the imperial court go? Where is their summer palace? Is it up in the foothills of the mountains? Is it somewhere far up-river? How is it decorated? How is it guarded? What is it like out of season?* There must be gates in the Great Wall at the southern end of Westrasia. What are they like? Who guards them? Who is permitted to travel through?* What is it like on the border between Leixi-Aroxia and the Windhell? Who are the madmen that live there on the edge of civilization? Are there any GE monasteries in the area?* What is it like in the city that acts as Morloux's entrepot for trading with the Treant Empire?* How do the Oni of Dou Qian and the Technobarbarians of Izill interact?* Are the cities of Pirn, Giyasdo and Tergaron open to Belaran trade, and what are they like? Has there ever been an invasion attempt? If so, what happened? If not, why not?* What sort of a hellhole is Belara's outpost in the Cursed Wasteland like? What drew them there? Who goes there?* Ecinev stands at the mouth of a substantial river. What's upstream?All you have to do to think up things to do is look somewhere on the map and wonder "So what is it actually like *there*? What stories do they have?"
>>74869152Pretty much every successful /tg/ project comes down to a dozen or so anons going all out for a couple of months.As long as people are interested in the project I don't see why it matters whether or not we have 10-20 casuals dropping by to post their opinions.
>>74869149You aren't welcome here. You have horrible misconceptions about the Church of Divine Duality and you never wrote a religious section for the Vesterlanders in the first place. You are either trolling or attention whoring.
>>74869216Project is not dying but some people are salty when their stuff don't make the cut and get universally applauded. I am invested as I was on thread 1. I also don't think all threads have the same attendance. people show up less on the weekends for example for some reason
>>74869257poster counter is just another metric of barrier anon trying to bring down the thread. It's gonna go up and down and that's fine.
>>74869279>for some reasonOther anons have lives
>>74869181>>74869149I decided to check if that was the case. Turns out you lied, or if you are given benefit of the doubt - you misremember it.You posted vesterlander lore in thread 6, it was uploaded onto wiki, on og wiki nothing was removed from it, on wiki we have right now nothing was removed.
>>74869257I know, i just feel like saying its more popular than ever is hyperbole too big to not notice and point out.
>>74869216You act as though anyone will reach any agreement concerning those things, and they won't just be another source of bickering with no consensus.
>>74869205>>74869259To be fair, most anons who wrote for Westrasi didn't pay close attention to CoDD. It didn't get fluffed out until very recently, and when it did, it didn't really jive very well with a lot of the existing fluff.
>>74869458Barrier anon, go to bed.
>>74869458Pessimistic gloom-mongering! Write well on these things! (Not crazy out-there though.) Good writing almost always wins out over people who just put in a tiny outline sketch. (My contributions have tended to follow this principle, and they've been adopted with only minor changes. Which I'm cool with. I want there to be all sorts of neat things that can be used as specific places for a campaign or a series of one-shots.)
>>74865669>that other one only on the regional map.Good catch!Have an another look on the region.>>74867330Thanks>>74867387I don't think it would be really possible, and if it was, it would be really hard but there is still the chance
>>74869917Looks really comfy honestly.
>>74869354Well I guess you're actually right, which is fucked up because that's not how I remember things.>>74869205>>74869259Fuck you, I've been here since early on, and I'm not going anywhere. You don't have anymore authority over this project than I do, so good luck.Like this anon >>74869588 said. CotDD wasn't even fluffed out until recently. Early on they were mostly associated with the Sarkation Empire, which was a deusvulting, aggressive, dragon knight empire. Now that I do go back and read it, it makes even less sense, considering it's now an anti-dirty/nature religion, and the Vesterlands are full of outlanders, who live close to nature, Lazari is a series of mountain outposts half staffed by Uorosian-descended ranger types, and Uorosians( which have their own chapel, so why would CotDD control over half of Uoros, including where the capital and therefore chapel would be) spend a bunch of their time rangering around nature. They're probably dirty as fuck. Just because I didn't explicitly state that those nations don't belong to CotDD, it doesn't mean there isn't plenty of adequate context as to see why that chapel wouldn't jive there. I know you aren't really that dense.>>74869157Atleast this anon can see what I'm talking about, even if they don't fully agree with me.
>>74869995You literally said yourself you are leaving tho
>>74870158>Anon still does not understand that it was staged leaving, or someone else left
>>74869995Anon. Stop being annoying. First of all CoDD has nothing about cleanliness on its wiki page.Those parts of the map are now established to follow faiths as they are. It does not mean everyone is a full on zealot following the faith to the letter.This is a group project. Just because you want X thing to be retconned does not mean it will. If you wish to add more lore work with what is there and try to make it fit. Instead of throwing another hissy fit.
>>74870158That wasn't me. I don't know who that was, because they didn't even link a postAlso here literally this was all I did to make the religious map make sense with the lore that was already there.
>>74870215Anon is actively working in tune with rule about not changing stuff without replacing it first. Lets first see his religious map, then we will see.
>>74869995No fuck you. Also CoDD is not a Chapel. It used to be all of Westerasi GE worship untill the Chapels sprung up. That's why unless stated so nations follow CoDD. Because all Chapels in Westerasi were originally part of CoDD.That's why it makes sense to use it as the default unless stated otherwise.
>>74870256Can you post some changelog?
>>74870215You're literally not addressing why places like Uoros and Jorivakia, which explicitly state otherwise, follow CotDD. Why should the things I've written be retconned?Also from the CotDD wiki> WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DIRTY OR BAD?>Anything considered uncivilised or akin to an animal:> Hunting wild animals, collecting wild herbs, fishing for wild fish> Nudity or showing skin> Lack of modesty, publish displays of sexuality> Having multiple partners, divorce> Using wood/bone/stone tools> Eating things which are raw (even fruit or vegetables)> Wearing hide from animals (civilized people use plant fiber!)Anything which destroys civilization:> Bringing barbarians into civilized land> Destroying works of civilization (buildings, art, books etc)> Helping spread civilization (planting forests in any other way that perfectly organized for later harvest of wood)
>>74870256Yeah, the whole region being for no reason transformed to the Uoro Chapel won't fly.You are literally changing stuff so there is more of "my dudes" on the map. It was never stayed that the Uoro Chapel controlled so much land.Leave it how it is.
>>74870309Changelog of what? in what format?
>>74870375Write down what you changed between og map, and your version
>>74870346*CoDDThey don't. Joravikia says nothing about religion beyong puting Emphasis on warrior culture
>>74870367I literally only changed the half of Uoro which was for no explicable reason CotDD, and Lazari which was fromed by Urosioans and Lahailans. Tell me why Uoros wouldn't be it's own chapel, and why a nation born from Uoros wouldn't be of it's chapel?
>>74870422It was half CoDD because that's a fluff decision I made. I made most faiths not follow nation borders ideally as that's more logical than monoreligious states.It was lore I added when making the map
>>74870422The nation which broke away from York did long before the Chapel would be born. Chapels are like protestant faiths which considering were in crossbow renessai CE should be relatively recent.100-200 years max
>>74870375>Kingdom of Uoros changed to Chapel of Uoros, previously about half of Uoros was CotDD for some reason>Lazari federation: The Portion that was CotDD was changed to Uoros, because Lazari was partially born of Uoros>Changed Vesterlands to Wild Lord, because they are outlanders, invested in the old ways of the traditional Kingdom of Lahaila>Added a little wildlord spill over into the outlander parts of Lahaila>Made Jorivakia have CotDD, Belara, Morloux, Wildlord, because the population is of diverse backgrounds.
>>74870467As far as I can tell, the very first mention of CoDD ever said this (on thread 6):>But a few countries worship GE through the centralize, multinational Church of the Divine DualityKey word: fewI really don't see why some people are insisting that CoDD is the dominant faith in as many places as possible. We still don't know much about the relation between CoDD and various Chapels. They can be highly influential without being the state religion in most of Westrasi.
>>74870524Thanks, i feel like your changed are for the better, but i'l let other anons speak.
>>74870467Ok, I see what you mean about mono-religious states, but it's like all of the most inhabitated part of a country which specifically has it's own version of GE. Can you atleast see what I'm talking about? Why did we even write blurbs for the religions of nations?
>>74863212Might wanna read up on hobgolbins anon, they have a significant present here. Suggest that all of this is ignored, sorry.
>>74870672Remember the rule, no criticism allowed without providing lore of your own to replace it.
>>74870712Remember the rule of nobody caring
>>74870499>fictional fantasy religions must reflect real world religions totally and absolutely in every possible respectWhy not go the other way about it? Due to the Westrasi region being nurtured by the aliens, most Westrasi countries revere the aliens in their own way. The Church of Divine Duality could've been an effort made by the Belaran Empire (before the Sarkation Empire split off) to consolidate the disparate alien-worshiping religions and unite them under one banner, for obvious political benefits. Except it's not that simple and a lot of countries maintain distinct versions, even if they adopt the general gist of the Church of the Divine Duality, using its terminology and giving lip service to its tenets.
>>74871018Given that the Westrasi started out around Uoros, and spent a long time existing in dense temperate forests while developing and migrating, and didn't come into contact with GE until they got all the way to around where the Sarkation Empire is, they would've had a forest-centric belief system for a long time before contacting aliens. I don't know how this figures into Divine Duality, but something to consider.
>>74869216>What sort of a hellhole is Belara's outpost in the Cursed Wasteland like? What drew them there? Who goes there?The city of Odemark was founded in the early days of the Belaran Colonial Empire as a stopping point for ship repair for ships on their way to the Norvia Stronghold. As time passed, Belaran traders began offloading some of their cargo in Odemark to trade with local technobarbarian tribes. In exchange for foodstuffs and modern luxuries such as silk, technobarbarians traded away ancient relics like laser crossbows. The relics were primarily sent across the colonial empire to ensure that Belaran colonies could not be dislodged. Eventually, the Belaran Kingdom granted a monopoly on trading with technobarbarian tribes to the newly assembled BOC(Belaran Odemark Company), which quickly addicted local tribes to xuxu beans in an attempt to get better deals on artifacts. However, in recent years, the addicted tribes have become less efficient at scavenging relics, and so the BOC has become less and less profitable. Reflecting this, Odemark has begun returning to its original purpose, a ship repair station for ships being sent to the Norvia Stronghold. Life in Odemark is often harsh and short. It is populated primarily populated by Belaran soldiers on rotation.
>>74867522Since Dura is immortal inheritance doesn't factor so the idea of "legitimate vs illigitmate" birth shouldn't factor.I figure he would have a "Oh your my kid? Scool." factor. He has so many you can literally just claim to be his and he would go along with it casually.
>>74871357Yay another Westerasi company.When I created the WTB I assumed someone was doing stuff in that patch of land. Good shit to add on :)
>>74870467>that's more logical than monoreligious statesHistorically, there were a number of times where the monarch converting religion basically flipped the religion of the whole state, on the grounds that violent purging would be applied to anyone who disagreed. Of course, the old religion would probably continue as an underground secret thing, but the influence of top-down in pre-modern times was very large. And sometimes the borders were drawn where they are in order to follow religious boundaries.To summarize: the religions should not ignore borders just for the sake of showing that they're not bound by borders.
>>74871357Looks good, I added it to the cursed wasteland page>>74871018Chapels probably got created at different times for different reasons, though in all known cases so far it seems to be a Church of England type situation where the local ruler created a new organization loyal to him rather than one that could be potentially influenced by foreign rivals. Some of them may end up being created due to religious doctrinal disputes though, where local religious leaders got fed up with CoDD leadership for whatever reason.
>>74871357>Life in Odemark is often harsh and short. It is populated primarily populated by Belaran soldiers on rotation.Good stuff. I'd also expect that it's a good place to have a prison, especially for those prisoners too tricky to take to the mines in Norvia (eo politicals, rabble rousers, anyone likely to cause a disturbance). Escaping from Odemark is much more difficult.I'm guessing that Belara must be fairly oppressive (at least to many non-nobles) and has hit upon pressing low-level malcontents to service in their armies and navies. So really quite a militaristic state. Which is good for painting in more detail about how they really work. I like.
I am going to do a standardization of the Halfling and Giant related pages. I will try to respect existing material, but will also try to bring a bit more balance and nuance to certain things, particularly the halfling page since looks like it was written by /pol/.
>>74869917Beltagax confirmed for best place to live.
>>74871357> quickly addicted local tribes to xuxu beans So what sort of drug are xuxu beans? I've been imagining them as a depressant similar to opium, but they may have already been established as a stimulant or hallucinogen and I just missed it.
>>74872567I hadn't thought of it being part prison colony, but that makes total sense now that you mention it. I can just see revolutionaries being sent to desolate prisons out in the desert with no hope of escape.
>>74872917>ywn have a beltagaxian islander waifu and a comfy hut by the sea
>>74872509I think there's two elements that lead to formation of chapels:Early chapels formed when gloria and etalia faith was decentralized, as a way for rulers and priests within a nation to organize religion within their bordersThen the CoDD happens/expands/reorganizes. Many chapels default to it but some remain loyal to local monarchs/nations because some local quirks don't match well with CoDD doctrinesLater chapels are what you describe. Post CoDD, some formerly loyal to CoDD countries may break off out of spat, political differences or even theological differences.
>>74872509>though in all known cases so far it seems to be a Church of England type situation where the local ruler created a new organization loyal to him rather than one that could be potentially influenced by foreign rivalsI want you to literally cite cases of this, rather than just claim it. Which nations and rulers have specifically "created a new organization loyal to him rather than one that could be potentially influenced by foreign rivals?"
>>74874639I said "seems" for a reason since detail is minimal. Vashian Chapel states they don't trust outside religions due to risk of political interference. The Kingdom of Belara actively hunts down followers of the CoDD, which they presumably only started doing after the Sarkation Empire separated from them. The founder of the Morloux was on poor terms with the Church, so it seems plausible that he would make his own organization separate from his enemies.For the rest the exact Church-Chapel relation is poorly defined/undefined.
>>74875012I'd like to know why it "seems" that way, because it doesn't "seem" that way to me at all. Are you sure that it's not just an assumption that you're personally leaping to, considering that you're stating that "all known cases seem to be Church of England type situations?"
>>74875204"All known cases" refers to the three cases where Church-Chapel relations are outlined in enough detail to even make educated guesses as to why they were created. Like I said in my post, other Chapels may have been created for other reasons.And yes, these are my personal interpretations, though until someone posts details on the individual wikia pages they are as good as anyone else's assumptions since none of the Chapels provide a history of why they were created.
Why do people have to be mad? Isn't there enough people screaming faces red with rage that there is no need for anyone else to join in? Oh well, such is human nature to defend what we think is right. To let go of that is to be free of a self-consuming hate, but to also distance yourself from a human experience.I think we should try to remember that honest mistakes can easily be mistaken for malcontent. I don't think that the religion map anon was cackling with glee as he retconned nations, I think he has a lot of nations to go through as he was racing with another map anon. Mistakes will happen, especially in a region like westerasi where there are nations galore.>>74867460added to the wiki.>>74869149For you and >>74869181, I want to state that nothing was removed from the current wiki. Everything is logged and the logs show it to be true. You're probably just misremembering from your headcanon.There is a solution to this problem. Just write up a religion blurb and ask the map anon to change it to fit the change. Or change the map yourself and post it back in the wiki. It's not too late to do that either. The map anon already changed it so you might as well.>>74869216This guy is a smart cookie. The fantastical interacts akin to the mundane gives fantasy writing its greatness.>>74869279>people show up less on the weekends for example for some reasonI've noticed that too. I think people just have dedicated plans on the weekends or something similar.>>74869607It's funny how the slang word for troll is at least for now barrier anon. I guess we like to think that a troll is just one person instead of multiple because it's easier to rationalise one person as incorrect then multiple people.>>74869995>Well I guess you're actually right, which is fucked up because that's not how I remember things.The mind is a strange and funny thing anon.>>74870524Seems fine to me.
>>74872914>particularly the halfling page since looks like it was written by /pol/.It does. My bad then. Looking back on it I fell into the race of hats sinkhole trying to tie the HGA together.>I will try to respect existing material.As the person who cobbled it together from a bunch of different thread posts when we started to move things to the google doc feel free to butcher the place. One thing I would like to see is lore about the wall, but do whatever you want.>>74872985I want to write them up a flora page with a bunch of whacked out effects they cause but I'm dead tired rn so I'll do it later.
Also quick question for everyone. I *might* be running a GE oneshot tomorrow. IDK for sure, my dnd games have been crazy bc of *everything*.What area of the map should I place the setting? I can't think of anything good to do it in. I might just to khanate and give them some horses and see what happens from there.
>>74872985>>74876621Way I see it, they're kinda like if coffee was opium. Xuxu beans, they can be eaten right off the pod, ground and brewed, fermented into cakes, or dried and smoked in pipes. Highland Canton locals usually eat them raw for a non-addictive mood booster like coffee. When it's ground and brewed it acts like hyper-coffee, energizing workers and focusing minds at the cost of addiction. Fermented, however, brings out the hallucinogenic properties, and smoking the dried beans makes you mellow instead of hyper. Their pods could also be smoked for a similar effect, but drinking Xuxu and smoking it at the same time would lead to deleterious effects to one's liver, kidney and sanity. Suffice to say, never drink, smoke and eat fermented Xuxu in large doses at the same time.
>>74876652Maybe khanate, and make them scouting party to thoughtcrafters?
>>74872985>>74876621>>74876788I fucking love how the goddamn Beanfarmer faction became integral to the entire setting lore.Bravo. No irony at all. Shit is based as fuck.
FYI, I updated the Halfling-Giant Alliance page with a mix of old stuff, stuff that never got put on the wikia/1d4chan, and some new concepts. It is too long to bother posting here, but you can read it below:https://gloriaetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Halfling-Giant_Alliance_(HGA)I may update the halfing and giant race pages tomorrow.
>>74877569Looks good thanks for that those pages needed an update
>>74877569I really like the rewrite.
>>74870672I did mention the Hobgoblins though.
>>74870524The changed seems very unnecessary and feel like will unnecessarily confuse people or will cause another "schizm"
>>74877492I love how important the Xu xu Beans have become, and still don't have a wiki page. Seems to me, they have become so important to the lore of like 10 different nations that it'd be at this point hard to pin down what they exactly are without upsetting anyone.But to try:> they can be used as an Equivalent to Coffee or Opium depending on how they are prepared> They are very fragile plants only possible to be grown in the Highlands of the Beanfarmer land. (though some anon claimed it might be possible in the Wyrdlands if not for the time-fuckery)> They are mostly used by Belara to keep Qi-Fu and their colonies subjugated
>>74878391Barrier anon never sleeps
>>74878391>there was no schism for this to be "another"Literally everything that someone posts there's an anon saying "this will confuse people", if this is not a troll, the. I don't know what this is.
>>74878685>used as an Equivalent to Coffee or OpiumYeah that doesn't make any sense. Coffee is a straight up stimulant while opium is a depressant.Though I suppose you could go with something like while they make you dopey like opium does they also prevent you from sleeping so they can be used to stay awake if you're feeling desperate
How I see the Drow of Kojatina after reading their lore.
>>74879853Maybe they are a stimulant if you eat them raw, but if you boil them they become like opium?
>>74879911would make more sense for a plant to be consistent in it's effects, varying in intensity but not in quality
>>74880564How about magical plant
>>74880564It would. That's true. What if the drug works in small doses like coffee, so "bit stimulating, not addictive". But can be "enriched" to before like speed "very stimulating and very addictive". >>74880595I don't know if I am keep on it being magical. Maybe the Beanfarmers can use it for some magical rituals though?
>>74880595magic is cool but 'magical' shouldn't just be a shorthand for 'this doesn't need to make sense'. Sure, magical things don't have to follow the same rules, but...You should create magical things that follow their own rules, not create things that follow no rules and then declare them magical, yknow?
WIP of what i've been creating. This is a PSD with each country being it's own layer, so that any type of nation dependent map can be created very easily by simply going to the country's layer and shifting the color/pattern/effect to whatever is desired.
>>74881305For what purpose?
>>74881305I don't know why, but neat I guess?
>>74881305Great, it will definietly be helpfull if we will need shapes for if someone will want to create newmaps
>>74869917Post more. Have you done anything in celestia? Or on worldedge?
>>74881956Chill he said it'll be done at the end of the month earliest
>>74881613>>74881900Religion MapsLanguage MapsAdding maps to the wiki the show each given nation position in the political mapbasically anything that use political borders, really.
>>74881613>>74881900When we start doing the setting PDF document, we are going to need this to highlight nations
>>74876609The only reason I got mad was because as soon as I brought up that the map didn't jive with the Lore I wrote, I got hit with this>No the map is final, you can write new lore to match my map nowWhich is super arrogant, and then when I got mad, that anon or a few started putting some shit on me like i was being possessive of those nations and not willing to be collaborative about them, which I find ironic because it was sort of like.>Your thing can be altered, but my map can't be altered, because I already made it.I'm not here to argue with people, and I appreciate that Anon made a map in the first place, and I don't thing they purposely and maliciously did that, but I just can't tolerate that someone decided their new thing was unalterably canon, and so adamantly insisted that the pre-existing lore I had written wasn't as significant in comparison.Funnily enough, it took me less time to alter the map than it would have to write new/change lore for those countries, and atleast 2 anons are ok with the changesANYWAYI'm going to clean up a couple of the lines I added because I did it fast and angry, than add it to the wiki.
>>74881305Absolutley based>>74882323YesAlso all our other maps >Political>Trade RouteReligionAll that stuff will look that much cleaner if we're so inclined to remake them it this PSD file, rather than as they are
>>74882373You were being possessive and not collaborative and in addition you lied that you wrote lore and someone deleted it. Which was a massive lie and discredited people ignoring lore you wrote.Then you threw a tantrum and said you'll leave only to come back and throw an even bigger one.
>>74882373Nobody ignored the lore you never wrote and then claimed someone deleted.
>>74882777No I thought I did write a religion blurb for Vesterlands, but I admitted I was wrong when I went back to thread 6 and saw it wasn't there.And you're not even addressing the fact that you're a pot calling a kettle black.>No, you change your thing, you can't just expect it not to get reworked by people>No you can't change my thing, my thing is permanent and final>>74882820What about all the lore I wrote for all the other countries that for some reason got the CotDD thrust upon them?
>>74882777Also I wasn't even the person that said they were leaving, Ii said that yesterday, but I bet you don't believe me. It's like when you call someone on /pol/ or /x/ crazy and they insist you're a jewish, chinese shill.
>>74882777>>74882820Also i just keep seeing stuff that doesn't make sense. I didn't write the Wyrdlands, but from reading it I can't see why there would be multiple religions there? Only Wyrd Tribesmen live there permanently, and it's a non-linear time purgatory(purgatory used figurativley)
>>74879853Well, I'm thinking that the bean itself has like 2 'layers', the fruit-meat of the bean (which is a depressant) and the actual seed (which is the stimulant). In nature, the seed leeches some of the potent stimulant to the fruit-meat, that contains diluted depressants. This causes mild stimulation when a Xuxu bean is eaten raw. When ground like coffee, only the seed gets powdered, and the potent stimulant shines. When dried, it's actually only the fruit-meat, and the stimulant loses potency in the process, leaving only the depressant effect. When fermented, the hallucinogenic effect comes from the byproduct of the yeast/fungi that fermented the beans, not the beans themselves.
>>74883471Just because you write lore for a country doesn't mean that country belongs to you, it exists for other people to rewrite however they see fit, so if they think it makes more sense for that country to follow the Divine Duality, they'll rewrite that country so it follows the Divine Duality, especially if you're not around to stop them.
>>74882820>>74883471>>74883493I don't feel like watching you two argue for another couple hours. I will upload mukwesk's version of the map to the wikia. Other maps will likely take its place as undeveloped areas are further fleshed out.Like I said before, the maps shouldn't have the final say in the lore, we already have a number of outdated maps, and clearly minor edits are fairly easy to make.
>>74883630Ok well I think >Writing additional lore for a country, while respecting and taking into account it's pre-existing loreand>Rewrite however they see fitare two very different things, and one is certainly more constructive than the other, but if that's the way people want to start doing things I'll just make content and upload it "as I see fit.">>74883648I'm really not here to argue, but I just can't be idle when someone is trying to gaslight me into being a tantrum throwing asshole, when they themselves are totally unyielding about a map they made, and I'm trying to address inconsistencies. I'm cleaning up the version I made, I'm even going to have CotDD as a minority religion in places I didn't think it should be at all, because I figured if it was infact the church of the greater Westrasi Empire of old, that there would be some holdouts of it scattered around. I also don't think there would be any other religions in the Wyrdlands because non Wyrdlanders don't permanently live there? But, whatever. I just expect there not to be a double standard. If the things I make can be changed, than so can everybody else's
>>74883935It's the way people have been doing things and will continue to do things. Either accept it or don't, and leave.
>>74883471> Don't you dare retcon the lore I never wrote> I will retcon the lore you made now and call you a hypocrite for it
>>74883648Nobody wants his map and never did.
>>74883935You came out of nowhere and started accusing me of deleting lore. Insulting a map, I remade like 10 times and had at least 5 tantrum.You are not being gaslighted you acted like a nigger and should stop.
>>74884219I did suported his change here >>74870560and Chill vampire supported it here >>74876609While only one person voiced their displeasure about it
>>74883935>If the things I make can be changed, than so can everybody else'sIn theory yes, but in practice you inadvertently picked a fight with the most stubborn and vindictive anon on the project, so you are better off just focusing on other aspects of mukwesk society for a bit, or doing some work for other regions if you are interested.I like the work you did on the mukwesk region, if you enjoy writing this kind of stuff you should continue to do so, and don't let negative criticism from one anon get you down.
>>74884244Ok, in that case I'll add my voice to disagreeing with the change.
>>74884261Sounding really vindictive here yourself.
>>74881305>WIP of what i've been creating.Love it! It's so good even in its acknowledged very incomplete state.
>>74882373>I just can't tolerate that someone decided their new thing was unalterably canonDespite having contributed detail (Twin Dragon Gate is mine, as is quite a bit of the lore on the economy of Grendarrym), I don't regard my word as final at all. For example, I absolutely loved the suggestion (many threads back) of great bridges that swing or slide out at Twin Dragon Gate, and wish I'd thought of it. It's not in the Wiki... but I think it should be. That gate is meant to be intensely intimidating, and the surroundings too (with huge peaks towering around and the abyssal canyon below).
>>74883989Ok, then that's how I will do things.>>74884202>>74884240I was wrong about you deleting the Vesterlands lore. But go to the Vesterlands page and read the "History" and "Culture" blurbs for the Vesterlands, and than read about the CotDD, and tell me if you think those two things seem compatible. Uoros actually has it's very own interpretation of Gloria Etalia, which heavily reflects their society, and the fact that they were the first Westrasi nation to separate from the greater Westrasi Empire, but for some reason, it was decided that half the country was CotDD anyway. That was lore that was indeed already writtenJorivakia specifically states that it has a very diverse population, and that the Jorivaki Code supercedes any members' religions, however even if you still wanted to show the religions, however, it would be a line of every color in Westrasi, and even a few from outside. It was founded by Belarans and Morlouxians, so those atleast would be more prominent than CotDD.Lazari is a nation founded by Uorosians, who have their own interpretation of GE, and Lahailans, who are skeptical of the religion altogether. Do you think the CotDD would be very popular there?I'm not trying to insult your work, I find the fact that you put the time and effort in to make it commendable. I can understand why someone might miss all these different things written in the lore. However your absolute refusal to address these inconsistencies, or even allow me to make alterations to the map, while saying I'm being possessive, is indeed hypocritical. If you aren't possessive, why can't I alter the map?The fact that you keep clinging to the one instance where I was wrong to discredit me, and spinning my insistence, and reiteration of these inconsistencies, and my refusal to quietly accept them, into "tantrums"; is gaslighting. That's what gaslighting is.>>74884261I will and am continuing the work I've been doing.
>>74884856Well, than I doubt you're the person I've been arguing with.
>>74884917Also I never directly accused you of deleting Vesterlands lore, I moreso thought it got lost in the move from 1D4, but I was wrong, and then conceded on that subject.
>>74884917You're just annoying at this point. Move on and write some new lore instead of being possessive and retconning stuff.
>>74884964You said I qote: "Someone deleted". That sounds like you think someone deleted it deliberately.
>>74884917You repeated the same complaints again which I long addressed.None of the things you mention here were in the OG lore, so when making the map I filled out the missing lore as I wanted. You made it plenty clear you dislike that, but I do and I'm not letting you retcon it because you think you own those nations and noone else is allowed to contribute lore to them because "it's mine".
>>74885099>You're just being annoyingis a pretty good way to not address anything I said. Just keep sticking to your narrative. I'm writing lore and making content, so don't be possesive if it doesn't jive with yours.
>>74885185>None of the things you mention here were in the OG loreThat's absolutley not true, that's exactly why I'm complaining.
>>74885185>None of the things you mention here were in the OG lore>>74885264>That's absolutley not true, that's exactly why I'm complainingYou two idiots should stop griping at each other. It's unedifying. Instead of bitching about it, write stuff good enough that others can feel able to say "that's a cool idea that we'd love to have in our world".
>>74885249You didn't, since you came back no new lore has been added.>>74885264> That's absolutley not true, that's exactly why I'm complaining.It is because to make the map I went trough the pages of every nation. Then for over a thread people kept giving me corrections to the map which I then added. They also gave them complaints or ideas which then were debated.The only debate that we had back then over the Region was me making Uoro half CoDD.
>>74885377I tend to drop a short story every thread or two, mostly busy with irl stuff now so can't contribute a fuckton.
>>74885444That's great. I love the stories, even the ones that I think cannot possibly be canon (except many of them can be provided we have inaccurate narrators, which is A-OK with me).I wish I was better at telling stories.
>>74885406Well anyone can go through the history on the wikia or the 1d4chan and see that all those things I mentioned have been there since I very first wrote that Lore. I was not here to voice my opinion when you made the map, and you've been totally unwilling to accept any criticism I've had.Here it is from 1d4, it's the same on wikia.
>>74885859None of them contradict CoDD being present there THATS WHY I PUT IT.Read Joravikia it does not say the most popular religion. In fact neither does the Uroka one even mention them having their own chapel. Neither does the Laxarian one. All the lore is:> They don't care about religion> They don't care about religion> They don't care about religion, muh warrior cultureWhy would nations which are not religious, go trough a religious schism and likely fight a war to get away from CoDD? It makes more sense for them to stay in CoDD passively. I read this stuff before and stand by interpretation of their lore.
>>74885859>>74886458Regardless of what was stablished first, this conversation should be about 'what makes a better story'.So I ask...What makes a better story for Jovakiria, it being a part of the CoDD who only pay it lip service, or it having fought to free itself from the CoDD yoke?
>>74886458For Joravikia and other nations in that region, they likely split from CoDD at the same time as the Belara-Morloux-Sarkation Empire schism. Many nations in that region were part of Morloux for several centuries.
>>74886850Does it make the story better to have a bunch of special snowflake nations following special snowflake religions the story better?Them following CoDD makes them fit better with Westerasi. It also improves CoDD lore it as it is supposed to be the Majority faith of Westerasi and it now barely controlls 50% or even less. Making them even more minor does a disservice to CoDD lore and fucks with Westerasi powerdynamics.
>>74886934Answer the question how does them splitting from CoDd make for a better story/lore rather than them remaining part of it?
>>74886458But why would the "Orthodox" branch of GE be so prominent in so many non-secular nations, with cultures, that largely wouldn't coalesce with that version of the religion? Also why would nations like this tolerate the reach of a religion that would wage a war to keep them within the fold of the faith, especially when there's 2 other empires and a mountain range inbetween them? And why is it that you've been so totally dismissive of me since I brought it up. I mean do you think I'm the last person that's going to come up with changes to a map, and that the map you made is in it's final form, never to be altered again?Obviously our brains interpret information pretty differently. I find you to be totally unyielding about my input on a map you made, and you find me totally uncollaborative concerning lore I wrote. I'm just going to continue working on the new things I was working on, and I won't go out of my way to purposefully contradict your map, but I'm not retconning them to fit in the CotDD where it doesn't go. You keep your map the way you want it, and if it's not 100% in line with what I make, than that's just the way it is.
>>74886970>special snowflakeOh now we're getting to the meat of it.You don't like that everybody's not part of the big centralized religion.The original CoDD Lore did not state that it was the main religion of Westrasi. The next Lore after that was that it was the main religion of the Antiquity era Westrasi Empire, which split up, and as >>74886934 said it would make sense for the split to have taken place then. The CoDD being so powerful is a very recent addition to it's fluff, and Westrasi already had plenty of power-dynamics before CoDD was so powerful. They don't hinge on the CoDD
>>74887084First of all read the CoDD lore. Nothing in it says it's the most conservative branch. The only other CoDD faith with a description is the Belaran one and it seems more strict.> And why is it that you've been so totally dismissive of me since I brought it up.Because you brought it up in an awfully dickish way. As if I deliberately changed your lore out of malice and because I dislike the changes that you proposed. > I mean do you think I'm the last person that's going to come up with changes to a map.This part of the lore is done, same as no one is changing the Political map anymore. We had 2 threads ironing out all the details. It's called the "Final Religious Map" for a reason. The Faiths as described in it have been refferenced in a decent amount of writefaggotry and other lore by now.> Obviously our brains interpret information pretty differently. I find you to be totally unyielding about my input on a map you made, and you find me totally uncollaborative concerning lore I wrote. I'm just going to continue working on the new things I was working on, and I won't go out of my way to purposefully contradict your map, but I'm not retconning them to fit in the CotDD where it doesn't go. I am fine with that. CoDD is like the Catholic Church it has a lot of internal variation. Also like any religion people don't follow every tenant 100% or very zealously. Heck some nations may just pay lip service to the Church to be left alone. (like irl Swiss Catholic Priests marrying)
>>74887272Less than half the Nations are part of said religion. There is random pagan holdouts. There is 101 GE heresies and other things and that makes the region feel way less cohesive than it should be in many ways.Yes I dislike that because it's pretty bad lore in my opinion and if I could I would make it so max 25% of Westerasi nations would have their own non-CoDD faith, but I don't go around retconing established lore so it can fit my tastes.
>>74886850>>74886970>>74887001>>74887084>>74887272>>74887277>>74887316You two are diverging from the story perspective. Put forward points of why X or Y provides better quest hooks, story/plot points, how it makes the world feel more immersive or intriguing etc. Don't use words such as 'snowflake' and 'last thread'. Focus instead on in-world reasons and cultural reasons for either breaking or staying within the CoDD community.
I remember there was some neat Beastmen lore in Midland. They were cool like this tiny 20-30cm race.I think I want to write some writefaggotry with them. Any ideas? I don't want to set it in Midland itself as I'm not that up to date with their lore.Maybe a beastman Explorer's Journey to somewhere? Maybe as a pilgrimage to the world Scar?
>>74887899Beastman getting into trouble stealing food from a human house. Young ones. Stand by Me style story.
>>74888064What's "Stand by me"?
>>74888093It's a Stephen King novel turned movie about kids getting into trouble as they go on a kid-sized epic quest.
One thing I've noticed is that some people, or even just someone, is absolutely dedicated to seeing the Church of Divine Duality as a perfect parallel of Catholicism.The Chapels HAVE TO BE heretical Protestant-style off-shoots of the main Church, all of them.The Church HAS TO be dogmatic and exploit its authority for political power.The Church HAS TO BE the overhwelmingly dominant and central religious power of the region.I've noticed lots of leaping to assumptions based off of nothing other than the belief that the Church of the Divine Duality HAS TO BE almost identical to the Catholic Church in form and function, down to the tiniest detail. It's almost as though an agenda's being pushed.
Hello, mapanon here, i just dropped by to ask what rivers around westrasi sea should be navigable by boats (and for those that don't play ck2/3 - rivers that could be used in large scale warfare by armies, like during wiking raids), i would have to know now since they are different part of heightmap than nonavigable rivers, so its more of sculpting problem.Thanks in advance for any help
>>74888100Sounds cool I'll try that.
>>74888188I feel like the Wyrdlands river should be navigable. Rest I can't say.
>>74888188Just from looking at the map of the Westrasi Sea, the only ones that look to be large enough for that to me seem to be the Wyrdlands river and the Rzeka River, but others might be large enough.
>>74888143I doubt there is a conspiracy. I think people just use it as a closest analogy and go "It's like the catholic church except in the parts of the lore that say not." Like the whole tattoo and boil everything things. The lore on every single religion is rather sparce, so for now we can only really work with analogies. (partly why I propose we make a CK3 style chart for every religion it will help us get some lore on each faith as well)>>74888143If we look at the map it has very few rivers at least compared to what a world this size would have. Thus I would make most rivers navigable as they are the major ones and would add some of your own to represent the more minor ones. Rivers being navigable is a game mechanic not a lore question so I feel like you can do what you want here.(also dunno if that even matters considering CK3 does not have any ship/navy mechanics)
>>74888188I'd say these are the big, important rivers. None of the others have any lore around them.
>>74888442>>74888188I would say the river running through Araxia as well. Or any big river that can be seen on the world map. That would be a very interesting way to wage war. Although ck3 got rid of the naval combat so it might be really frustrating to play against.
>>74888571If river raiding gets really unbalanced those rivers can be made into unpassable terrain. Paradox problems require Paradox solutions
>>74888571>>74888442>>74888410>>74888219Thanks for the imput, i think i will go with rivers visible on main map.
>>74888143The agenda is that a certain anon finds Westrasi boring and is using CoDD as a backdoor to make sweeping changes in order to make it more interesting.I appreciate the work he has done bringing CoDD to life, but the argument over the map is starting to get pretty annoying, particularly since the map isn't very useful if it doesn't reflect what is in the articles.
>>74888667Well, with exception of that one that goes throught sarkation. That one would be too close to mountians to realisticaly use in this manner
Someone make new thread
>>74889253For you anon:>>>74889763
>>74887277Orthodox doesn't mean most conservative, it means that it conforms to the established or original doctrine, or the "standard" way of doing the thing, and I don't see most people in Mukwesk abiding by anything under the> WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DIRTY OR BAD? section of the religion.I only became dickish when you hit me with >My map is finalbit, which I thought was a bit condescending, and I just don't think what's done is done until we have a finalized PDF.Any branches of CotDD south would indeed be pretty different than those in and around the Sarkation Empire>>74887484From a story perspective>Ancient Westrasians began their civilization around Uoros, and would've expanded all the way upwards, around the greybacks, through Belara, and too around the Sarkation Empire before they encountered GE. They probably would've established some forest-based faith within this time period. GE would have indeed taken off in the Westrasian Empire after this, but mostly in the civilized places. Far-flung outlands would've retained their pagan faith. (Vesterlands and Lahaila were a kingdom that had split away before this)>Then Uoros split away from the Empire>Then Morloux split from Belara>Then Morloux became a Republic and lost control of some of it's Westrasian coloniesAt this point all of the subsequent nations in Mukwesk either come from being former Morloux colonies, or from Uorosian interests, so they're pretty far removed from the original Empire and therefore CotDD.Other story reasons I have are>CotDD's non-nature stuff doesn't jive with the lifestyles of many of the people in this region, especially the Vesterlands>Most of these nations would not care to pay a church lip service, especially not the one that's a Military JuntaPlaces like the Vesterlands would maybe be a blend of Wildlord/or whatever pagan ancient Westrasi faith, and GE, I can see that, that was actually represented in Lazari, which I was happy with, except Lazari comes from Uoros.
>>74890125Infact the only way I can see CotDD existing so prominently in Mukwesk is if Uoros brought it with them when they split, and it spread from there. It isn't actually super opposed to Uorosian sensibilities, but even then their own branch would probably drop the "Don't do dirty nature shit", because their idea of progress is more centered on acquiring knowledge. So wouldn't that make them a heresy?
>>74887316>than it should be in many wayshistoryfag here, thats not how human civs work anon. Since most of the region is not! europe and religion in europe has been in constant flux and reformations it doesn't make sense for one overriding religion to maintain a stranglehold. Even catholocism met with a number of lesser schisms.