>>74802194
>I can't stop thinking about a future where technology roughly just as advanced as it is now or even more so but used very sparingly to minimize its impact on the environment and society, perhaps after a massive population bottleneck.
Tragedy of the commons. Anyone who uses technology to its full extent and outbreeds the carrying capacity of their environment can simply massacre the solarpunks with modern weapon technologies and the kind of superior numbers modern agricultural technologies makes possible, and take their land and resources.

>>74802523
You wouldn't be facing some motley barbarian horde, but an industrialized state. You would lose. Badly.

>>74802594
What if nature was semi-aware, and on the side on the solarpunks?

>>74802594
theres no rule against superweapons right? you could easily have climate data satelites repurposed to direct nuclear strikes at high C02 emission areas

>>74802594
The best you can hope for is beating the Branch Davidian killstreak. Better to die free and live in chains.
Or your PCs could engage in a little high-stakes monkey wrenching

>>74802652
*than
Take me away, boys, phonepost status outed

>>74802642
>Being so insanely brainwashed that nuking industry literally to defend the environment is seen as a good thing.

>>74802667
dude just tether to your pasocon, are you that lazy you can't go to the settings for 10 seconds?

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>>74802672
I think you're taking the role a little too seriously

>>74802672
bro its /tg/, this is a world building thread. i dont know why you think anything here reflects anyones genuine political views, but it might be time to get some fresh air

also thats a ridiculously dishonest rebuttal

>>74802594
>an industrialized state
>niggers

>>74802672
Long live Comrade Posadas and the 4th Socialist Intergalactic! The meek shall inherit the earth, and the comrades from the stars shall elevate us from the brink as we call them to us with the godlike wrath of atomic fire

>>74802594
>an industrial state
>vs a post-scarcity Federation tier eco-civ
So, any last words before I beam your dirt-civ into space?

>>74802857
But you'll be fighting a faction of your post-scarcity society that is just comfortable doing a little more ecological damage.

>>74802857
Yeah! Long live God-King Elon! Every day in the cobalt mines was worth it!

>>74802899
mate its still not /pol/. why are you even here

>>74802194
Anon, solarpunk isn't about enjoying the fruits of a full green society. It's opposing it. You're being the eco-friendly version of a cogfop here.
>But why would you oppose such a verdant, green and environmentally-friendly society, anon?
Because how would such a thing come to be? Either through a paradigm shift where the powers that be realize that they can remain in charge by going green so we end up with a technocratic elite that's just green neoliberalism, or we go full-on ecofascist, where all those whose carbon footprints are too great or oppose the current order will be pulled out of their beds at 4 AM and be hanged with a hemp rope in a secret state facility at 6 AM. Dissent cannot be tolerated, we're saving the planet after all.

>>74802194
Ok. Is there something in particular you want to do with it? Utopian science fiction is usually a pretty poor setting for games.

>>74803028
>>74803219
I feel that trying to achieve the Utopia is where it works best. So set a campaign in the before period, where a bunch of natural disasters are taking their toll on society. You can have your government orders about rationing and limiting your freedom to buy an SUV, but if the farmlands are ending up underwater and the fires are breaking out even worse and the tornado season has turned into a tornado year, you have a lot going.

>>74803256
Postapocalyptica does not really mesh with the high tech requirements for such a society. And it's a bit harder to rebel against a society that is trying to rebuild from nothing than it is to rebel against an entrenched state.

>>74802194
Solar punk is when you're the peon with no electricity in your home beyond shitty solar phone chargers and anything you do that consumes more than your share of "carbon credits" (0) is punished in a draconian manner by the private jet flying elite.

You'll live in a tent in a plot of trees you don't own and the guy who calls the cops on you for having the temerity to cook your food over a flame instead of using the solar reflector oven (that he had the cops smash last week for disrupting the "viewshed") is the same guy who "owns" the trees in the forest you camp in and uses the carbon credits he receives for growing a forest to buy absolution from the government for his 15,000 square foot mansion with heated outdoor pools above the 45 parallel and a helicopter pad he uses regularly.

THAT'S SOLAR PUNK.

>>74803028
Maybe if enough people died of unrelated issues that there was suddenly sufficient resources for the survivors to have a decent quality of life.

Bioshock's founding ideology was also optimistic and semi-egalitarian in principle. The point was that it wasn't in practice.

Just do the same to solar"""punk""".
The nature everybody lives with is the furthest thing from real nature, it's engineered and designed to appeal to aesthetic sensibilities and meet use.
It encourages diversity of race, creed, and whatever else, but firmly discourages diversity of thought - what does such a society do to people who aren't happy? Exile? Execution? What do they pay for their happiness?
The materials for the solar panels needed have to be mined - but of course, not around here. We can't possibly have those ugly, "unnatural" mines around here. Instead, they're in developing nations in thrall to the perfect shining green jewel of the world.
What happens when the world changes? Say, a meteor falls, a supervolcano erupts, a crop blight occurs, or a wildfire starts, or whatever. Can a society that's changed itself to live with the environment instead of changing the environment to fit itself survive when the world it's molded itself to falls apart?

There's a thousand and one ways to tear apart a flimsy dream like solarpunk, all you need to do is apply some critical thought. Most ideologies are utopian on the surface, the variable is how deep you need to dig before all the ugliness and cruelty pours out.

>>74802633
The gaia hypothesis is nothing short of short sighted. I despise it when people genuinely think of nature as a single benevolent being, a cute little hivemind that gets pissed off and tries to murder you while demanding that you love it. Personally I like to incorporate this into a doublethink type mindset.

> Nature is benevolent and only wants the best from you. She is the epitome of compassion and kindness and to think otherwise is heresy.

> Until you start to think critically. She fears the thought of anything as intelligent as she is, and lashes out in a heartbeat.

See, the idea of nature as a person combined with natural selection has given me the idea of an extremely negative personification. It's an abusive mother who hoards animals and gives them the bare minimum to eat, while her human son, whom she conceived in a drunken orgy, schemes against her.

When her son has enough and tries to make things better for himself and a few of his animal siblings whom he's come to terms with, Mother Nature goes apeshit and plays the victim, emotionally abusing and manipulating him to feel bad for her.

The human son spends his adolescence overcoming his internal conflicts and personal follies, and when he finally pulls himself together, he can find a way out of the boarded up hovel that is his mother's house. That way he can escape out and explore his hometown for the first time in his life. He may be an idiot sometimes, and his behaviour is often self destructive, but with enough wisdom he will be able to overcome his own flaws.

I think your best best is a transitional society that is TRYING to go Solarpunk, and has a road to get there, but it isn't there yet. And the growing pains are real.

Think of it this way: Solarpunk is all about having achieved a sustainable advanced society that has its toys but in a way that isn't raping the planet. Its a good goal, but the problem is that we have spent a long time raping the planet, and the existing power structures benefit from that setup. If you are going to pull a U-turn and go Solarpunk worldwide, there is going to be a lot of resistance. And the Solarpunk areas are going to have to live pretty spartan lives for a while if they are going to undo the damage done to the environment fast enough to avoid ecological collapse.

So you have green zones that look like soviet russia because they are trying to turn the planet back around as far as possible. Its explicitly temporary, it should only last a couple of decades, but its going to be a rough couple decades. But the alternative is by all accounts an even worse disaster that will take much longer to recover from. The future is promised to be bright and shiny, but the present for the setting is soulcrushing because the debt from everything we have done to the planet in the past 100 years is coming due.

Meanwhile, there are territories that are still living the 'old way' that are in open war with the green zones. Because as long as those countries are living their dirty lifestyle, they are making it even harder for the green zones to do what they need to do. Every time you annex another country and bring them under the solarpunk regime, years get knocked off of the projected time that people have to live bleakly. You fight the dirty old-world nations because every victory means that you and your children are that much closer to living in the bright promised solarpunk future.

>>74803552
You'll still need the indistrial infrastructure. A more likely order of things is first the tech, then the mass cullings. Automate everything so that the working class will starve. Undesirables and antirevolutionaries get the hemp rope. Those who engage in wrongthink will be sent to reeducationcamps where most of them will die.

>>74803643
Definitely makes a case for how the solarpunk movement gets started. Extreme change like that never happens peacefully. Even if the long term goal of solarpunk is peaceful, the initial stages of it can't be: they would get squashed by cultural inertia that benefits from staying the way things are.

This can raise an interesting question for the setting: the Solars have all of these high minded utopian plans. They promise that things will be better once the hard years are done. But the question is: by the time that they have gotten that far, after all the violence and hardship they needed to cause to realize the dream, will they actually beat their swords into plowshares and settle down for the dream future that people signed up for? Or do they get tempted by power and remain with iron-fisted control?

>>74802378
>>74802594
The anti-tech spammers all work at the behest of intel agencies who want to spy on everyone with technology.

Clearly the goal here is not to prevent tech tyranny, but to prevent the common man from using technology to improve his lot.

Its easier to conquer a ragtag group of neo-Amish who languish off-grid subsisting on berries and tough jerky with drones and nanobots (neither of which will never exist) than it is to conquer a people who are actually equipped to deal with such threats.

Now, as was months ago the case, they want us to fuck off from society and fracture into tiny groups of atomized farming communes as to be easier to pick off.

>>74803028
Solarprep is closet-dystopia. It would realistically be upper-crust cyberpunk, a closed off society (oblivious beyond "utopia") or the product of an apocalypse or genocide.

>>74803957
>closed off utopia
>mass genocide
Solarpunk as ecofash propaganda sounds like the perfect way to deconstruct that farce.

>>74803994
Depends if you're on the winning side getting post-scarcity utopia or one of the plebeians getting killed off as soon as automation renders them unnecessary.
>hint, if you're posting on 4chan, your prospects aren't too good

>>74804129
Indeed, it does. But, I'm imaging this "better world" would only exist from such a massive die-off. The question is, how responsible was the regime for it? Based on how a lot of "activists" act, probably a lot if given the power. And should new ideas emerge that are in contrast, whatever forces that be will try to kill them too. Such is the price for utopia, huh?

>>74802378
Tragedy of the commons is bullshit, it’s just an artifact of capitalism masquerading as a law of human nature - despite the fact that there were stable communal societies that ran extensive sustainable commons for hundreds of thousands of years before economists started fucking shit up.
See the work of Eleanor Ostrom.

>>74802594
What is: Vietnam

god I fucking despise ignorant, arrogant, sniveling americunts

>>74803636
Gaia earth is shit. Mother Earth is Medea.

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>>74802672
Nothing wrong with some recreational nuking

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>>74803994
>goddamn white people and their *spins wheel* great outdoors

>>74804240
A 'war' where the actual purpose was to drum up business for military equipment megacorporations. An actual technological war where the elites feared their own replacement would look like WW2 with carpet-bombing of whole cities full of enemy citizens and whole new breakthroughs in engineering and science to build better bombs to do so.

>>74804167
A bit of both. Some disaster culls millions if not billions, which is then used to justify the ecofash. Mass floodings due to melting poles is one option.

You know about the tragedy of the commons, correct? Where humanity will never really be in balance because everyone's gonna want just one more sheep for their own flock? Now scale that up. We're in a situation where we need to think about the long-term sustainability of Earth. And someone who's mortal will never really think about the far long term with the seriousness of an immortal.
There's death to think about, and the possible ramifications of dying. But if medical immortality is reached, the only thing the elite/those that benefit have to deal with is assassination, accidents, and maybe disease. Without the moral, mortal peril of age and weakness, it becomes infinitely easier to treat people like tools or numbers expending resources instead of people.
A lot of elites already see people like that, thanks to the perfect storm of nihilistic materialism (which treats humans like expendable animals for whom individual experience does not matter) and crony capitalism (which assumes no value to anyone other than for what they can do for you).

>>74804246
Gaia cult that demands space exploration and terraforming to spread the Earthmother’s domain.

>>74803028
God lord thanks, somebody remembered what the Punk in this genres is supposed to be about. It's about the powers that be supressing everyone via what ever stood befor the Punk. It's often storys about rebelling against that forces that be and supress everyone via X.

>>74803436
There's always more land out there. To own and use up eventually. After that, more land. That's at the heart of the American delusion.
Completely alien to the European mind that sees every square meter already in use.
That's why the urgency will never get into American heads.

>>74802194
>I can't stop thinking about a future where technology roughly just as advanced as it is now or even more so but used very sparingly to minimize its impact on the environment and society
>>>/g/out/

>>74804221
You only get around tragedy of the commons in small close knit societies where everyone "watches out for each other" i.e keeps close tabs on each other.
In the tribe you never step out of line.

(Theoretically, daddy state could do the supervision - as it is supposed to work now - but reaction time is simply too slow and he always comes too late.)

>>74805383
'm not proud of my past or what I did, but it is what turned me into who I am. It opened my eyes to the truth, it opened my mind to the splendor, and it opened my lungs to the sweet bitterness of the air.

I went through that hippie phase a few years back; like I said I'm not proud of my past. Bunch of dead beats trying to get out of actually doing anything by pretending to be smart and to care about the long term. Planting a tree isn't work, unless you plan to harvest that tree, to make use of it's being. But no to them it is just playing in the sun with a few shovels.

Keep the Earth green they say, they see the strength of our labor and industry as a plague, a reaper if you will. Hmmm, she'd like that image.

But no, they hate our progress and desire a return to nature, to speak with the Earth.

I have spoken with the Earth.

I've heard her breath as she bellowed out of caves, I've felt her disdain as she quaked the ground, and I've seen her anger as she erupted the very mountains.

Oh yes, Mother Earth is alive, and she is full of contempt.

Open your eyes! Everything around you is full of hate!

The predators that hunted man in its heyday, the poisons that made up a majority of the natural fauna, the climate that bears down on us with extremes, the diseases carried by vermin agents of mass destruction, and the vast bodies of ocean as deadly as they come meant to keep the lands separated.

But she is not full of hate, not for us. She tried to wipe us out with predators early on, but we survived. She tried to wipe us out with an ice age, but we survived. She tried to wipe us out with the plague, but we survived. She tried to wipe us out with natural disasters, but we survived.

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>>74807907
We have impressed her, and for that she protects us, but only from the outside. The asteroids will not claim us if she can not, the solar radiation will not claim us if she can not; for you see she has been forever in competition. The universe is a challenge to her, a vast opponent that has beat down on her for millennia, just as she has beat down on us since our arrival. They have made her odd, but that became her strength. She has made us odd, but that became our strength. Now I see that we are her strength.

She has crafted us and now it is time for her to use her tools. We will go out and do what we will with the universe, it shall bow before her children. The suitable planets shall be cultivated to be like her, the others will be hollowed out and left as empty husks, trophies for her to gaze upon. Any other opposing creature will be destroyed by the might of her children. No children of another planet can out do her.

It is time for us to do this for her, it is time to repay her anger that made us strong.

We will do this.

For our angry mother.

>>74805916
>There's always more land out there. To own and use up eventually. After that, more land. That's at the heart of the American delusion.
That'll only be true again if we ever go to space. Right now, the entire world is wrapped up in preexisting goverments and there is nowhere to make your own new nations.

>>74808804
The real actual reason that personal space travel will absolutely never be allowed to happen is taxes.

Assume you have spacefaring vehicles capable of limited resource gathering and repairs via crew and a few dozen automata to build shit for you. With careful planning and optimal personnel you could just . . . fuck off and not come back. That’s the issue. You could just point yourself in whatever direction you want and be gone forever. You’d most likely die horribly but if you didn’t, it would prove to everyone else that it can be done; thus proving that they really don’t need good old Uncle Government. It would never be allowed. They’d bring the entire might available to them down on the first person that tried it and make Waco look like a fucking kindergarten field trip to a bouncer castle. They’d have to or they would lose any and all pretenses at power and control they ever had.

>>74804221
Literal retard post, almost every pre industrial society lingered around it's malthusian limit, they were "stable" at a level that included frequent bouts of malnutrition if not outright famine

>>74806035
>>74808978
They don't fit the marxist fantasy mold but multiple native american societies like the Pueblo and even sorta the aztecs functioned like that. Hell, the aztecs had essentially social welfare in the form of guaranteed food enough to survive

>>74803374
Diamond Age apocalypse? Someone invents the startrek Replicator and distributes the plans on the internet, now any individual can singlehandedly maintain a first world quality lifestyle. Unfortunately, it also means they can make any weapon ever designed so now every crazed mass shooter type has their own nuclear arsenal.

>>74804400
>the unvearable whiteness of hiking and how to solve it

Dear god please tell me its a satirical/parody artical

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>>74804221
>he actually believes this
Pic related.

>>74802633
Anon, please don't tell me you actually believe in that Final Fantasy-tier Gaia bullshit.

>>74809128
the rape of america was a mistake

>>74808804
You could try to make an artifical island someone in an ocean, in the middle of the international waters, but good luck gathering enough money and resources for it. And even if you succeed, you still need to get recognized as a legitimate state and not treated as a terrorist, a pirate, or an evil villain who's polluting the ocean.

>>74808879
>bouncer castle
Ackshually, that's bounce house.

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>>74809397
Your mistake is thinking preexisting states would treat such a thing according to their own rules as opposed to just crushing it. >>74808879

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>>74804221
Economists didn't fuck shit up, the industrial revolution did.

>>74809567
That's what I meant when I said
>and not treated as a terrorist, a pirate, or an evil villain who's polluting the ocean.

>>74808978
You don’t know shit about fuck, malthusianism is literally bullshit.

>>74809119
The conception of “wilderness” as a recreational area for privileged settlers is predicated on white supremacy.
The seperation of the world into “nature” and “society” is a construct of racial genocide via settler colonialism.

>>74809128
Ostrom won a nobel prize for demolishing your dumbfuck ideology, sorry anon

>>74808804
I was talking of delusion. A delusion I'd say is specific to America, where there seems to always be untouched ground beyond the horizon. In Europe (Western and Central) there's an acute awareness that there's not enough land. It was obvious from the start. The sons without land had to go on fucking crusades to win theirs. Colonialism wasn't just about resources to kickstart the capitalist mode; there was an abundance of precious land out there. Out there, not here. A couple years later and guess what the Nazi idea was about? Lebensraum im Osten.

>>74809740
>You don’t know shit about fuck, malthusianism is literally bullshit.
Are you an actual retard?

>>74808978
Famine and malnutrition are literally unheard of in hunter-gatherer societies.

>>74809047
Even then you can't replicate public utilities or doctors. And when money is no longer an option you'd have to rely on the goodwill of bored people to make sure you don't go blind from a simple eye infection. Infinite money is zero incentive to do anything, and that's even without the government cracking down on something that makes it irrelevant. You'd end up with some kind of anarcho-post-scarcity. Honestly, if that happens I'd give humanity a decade before we've torn ourselves apart and that's without the McNukes.

>>74809778
Are you? Try reading a fucking book sometime, preferably one that wasn’t written by some 19th c. old white wanker or a literal nazi.

No traditional society has a stable population because of “malthusian limits.” That is a completely idiotic fantasy with no support whatsoever in the last century of ethnography/anthropology.

>>74809792
>What is infanticide?

>>74809795
>when your culture revolves around wage slavery so much that you forget people can want to create, help others, learn medicine, etc out of passion instead of need and greed

>>74809885
It’s not famine and malnutrition.

>>74809844
It's objectively true that most pre industrial societies hit their local carrying capacity given geographic and technological conditions, it's similarly undeniable that famine and malnutrition were rife in conditions where the population was approaching it's natural limit, you can see this with the improvements in quality of life after the black death in europe reduced the population significantly below it's near carrying capacity level and let a greater surplus of agricultural land be utilized per person. Try reading something that wasn't written by illiterate trannies some time ok :)

>>74809946
>It's objectively true that most pre industrial societies hit their local carrying capacity given geographic and technological conditions, it's similarly undeniable that famine and malnutrition were rife in conditions where the population was approaching it's natural limit,

No, actually, literally neither of those things are true. Believing something doesn’t make it true. You are wrong. Stop basing your beliefs on old-fashioned racist pseudoscience and try taking like anthropology 101 or some shit, jackass.

>>74810091
you do realize without handing out an ounce of evidence to back up your claims you have just as little ground to stand on as he does, yes?
And you mostly just sound like you're baiting with your constant insertion of 'racist racist racist'

>>74810091
You might actually be the most brain damaged poster I've ever seen on /tg/, suggesting that populations increase until they hit the maximum carrying capacity of their environment isn't remotely racist or pseudoscience, you're just retarded. The vast majority of human existence has been small scale hunter gathering or subsistence agriculture that both gave limited yields for high labour, it's no coincidence the global population boom coincided with the development of potent fertilizers and mechanized agriculture that vastly increased the amount of food that could be grown while shrinking the amount of labour.

>>74803636
Damn bro, were your harvests poor this year or something?

>>74810471
No, but there was a global plague.

>>74802378
But solarpunk actually requires a pretty high level of technological advancement and there is nothing stopping you from having a few small sectors of your society that a necessarily unenviromentally friendly, like the military. Solarpunk style eco-friendly societies largely aims the changes at day-to-day civilian life styles. And once you start thinking about how to optimize your society for efficient sustainability and start investing in that your population limit actually goes up, especially if you can get fusion technology going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqKQ94DtS54

>>74809932
Might there be a correlation between infanticide and sending your unproductive old into the wilderness and no famine? Maybe even a causal one?

>unheard of
True, you don't hear much of the ones that don't make it. Considering isolated and no writing.

>>74810894
>unenviromentally friendly
Did you mean enviromentally unfriendly?

>>74810940
>Might there be a correlation between infanticide and sending your unproductive old into the wilderness and no famine? Maybe even a causal one?
>this meme
>finding hunter-gatherer burials of people that lived without a leg or arm or other physical defects for years and years past the loss has stopped being uncommon

>>74810979
No, not everything has to be 100% ecofriendly, and it's hard to make certain things like the military such. Just your net effect has to be minimal. That's the thing most misunderstand about environmentalism, they pay too much attention to the fringe nut jobs scream "down with modern society" and not enough to the people who are boring to listen to but can explain how with the right investments in certain technologies that aren't necessarily profitable we could greatly reduce our environmental impact with out being any less modern or advanced if we aim our efforts at certain egregious sectors of our industries.

>>74811078
also
you know
the people fearmongering about nuclear power and profiting off the comparatively incredibly polluting solar and wind power industries are screaming really loud in the west

>>74811112
It's quite a shock when you realise how you were indoctrinated by the anti-nuclear cabal.

>>74811329
somehow I dodged nuclear fear in my upbringing, so it was more a frustrating disgust when I realized that most people buy into it

>>74811441
I mean the idea of millennial waste still freaks me out but considering our current descent it could hardly make things much worse. God damn those cheap Ruskis for their unintentional propaganda.

>>74810434
>hunter gathering or subsistence agriculture that both gave limited yields for high labour,

Once again you are utterly factually wrong. HG sustenance is HIGH reward for LOW labor. Averaging 3-4 hours per day of light work for adequate nutrition, with calorie returns varying upon food source but ranging from hundreds to *tens of thousands* of calories per hour of labor.

Seriously, go read a fucking book, you’ll be shocked how much you learn, because what you think you know is based on garbage assumptions and shitty biases. You seem to have acquired an understanding of the past that’s the exact OPPOSITE of reality.

>>74810940
>Might there be a correlation between infanticide and sending your unproductive old into the wilderness and no famine? Maybe even a causal one?

No, because the latter scenario has virtually never happened - paleolithic and pre-modern societies take excellent care of their kin, even when they’re disabled, crippled, blind, deaf, or infirm.
And infanticide has been relatively common, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with population control or carrying capacity and CERTAINLY bears no resemblance to the sick Hobbesian fascist eugenics you dumb cunts fantasize about.

>>74812570
>fascist racist fascist racist fascist racist
If buzzwords could be used to generate electricity your ideal society could hypotethically be possible.

I was really into this whole ecoterrorism thing when I was a teenage (who liked to think was a) werewolf but I never actually did any terrorism or helped the planet in any meaningful way and then I grew up off it

Get of Fenris still best tribe

>>74809795
Download plans for an autodoc off the decentralized web and have your replicator build it.
https://ipfs.io/#why
https://www.wired.com/2017/06/pied-pipers-new-internet-isnt-just-possible-almost/
Nothing can possibly go wrong with this plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_BlNA7bBxo

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>>74812891
But how? That would require bigoted thoughtcriminals to survive so they could be used as a power source.

To be honest I'd prefer Transhumanism any day, warts and all.

>Solar Punk is a genre of Speculative Fiction that focuses on craftsmanship, community, and technology powered by renewable energy, wrapped up in a coating of Art Nouveau blended with African and Asian drawings. It envisions a free and egalitarian world with a slight bend toward social anarchism.
Basically this entire genre is Tumbr going 'But what if we combine fuck Western Progress with all the benefits of Western Progress :3c' - They cheerfully ignore that Asia and Africa sure as fuck aren't free and egalitarian places.
Sure it has a shitload of anarchy, but maybe not the kind you whitebread motherfuckers are thinking about.

>Meanwhile, Solar Punk aims to subvert those systems and replace them with ones that work better in the long-term through local communities, supporting artisans, and living sustainably.
Fuck artisans and fuck 'sustainable' living. Alright I don't mean that. What I mean is 'fuck what Tumblr considers these things to be' because Tumblr wants to replace practicality with aesthetic when one is vital and the other is only food for the soul.
Stop treating Industrialization as the great evil you hooting chimps. Fuck your 'Oh if only we were more green and ate more yak semen' mentality.
Solarpunk, far as I can snout out is about taking the result of progress then spitting in the face of the effort that allowed such things to happen in the first place.
Give me the plate world, give me the orbital, give me 10^20 souls, their hopes and dreams packed in a chip the size of a thumbnail, buried deep in the heart of a truck sized probe on a windswept world as the artificial intelligence within tries to turn it into a habitable land for those that it will never know but loves more than any being alive today can comprehend.

That's far more beautiful in my eyes than any amount of 'I put solar panels on a mosque, so beautiful!'

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>>74802194
>muh x-punk

>>74803219
>t. non-Slav
Not sure if I pity you or envy you

>>74803744
Setting idea right there. You are one of the neo-amish raised in innocence. You are barely even aware of the modern technology. “Handlers” are a myth, a conspiracy theory, a whisper in the dark. Nobody knows about their massive underground factory complexes, of their research bases in the desert or under the sea. None of you knows, they exist, let alone have drone swarms, stem cell immortality, gauss weapons.
Then one day your loved one gets snatched by a psycho-killer Handler.
Or your village is dying and the only shot you have is a myth of that lab in the deep dark wood.
Maybe you just had to dig a grave and hit a really thick, mysterious bundle of cables and decided to investigate?

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>>74816485
You know what this idea needs? Fair Folk tropes and genre conventions. The technocrats are a sort of semi-myth. Stay away from their manors or their robotic security will get you, don't speak disparagingly of them or autonomous smartdust spies will consider you as a potential subversive revolutionary, etc.

Bonus if they've embraced transhumanism to the point where they're no longer immediately recognizable as human-derived.

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>>74816485
So to recap:
-Post ecological catastrophe world now in “utopian” solarpunk.
-Some mutated beasts, plants and humans in the wild due to careless genetic engineering of crops and botched gene therapy.
-Government “collective” is a smokescreen.
-The real rulers are industrialists, transhumanists and Old Money families/cults.
-The society is wilfully blind to abuses of power, to people getting snatched, to weird rumbling below.
-New Age spirituality/religion keeps population docile with mumbo-jumbo and bioengineered dope called “natural medicine”
PC’s:
-Shunned inventors
-Investigators
-Ecoterrorists
-Mutants
-Old faith fanatics
-Rogues

Enemies:
[redacted]

>>74816573
Yes. The transhumanists might have became anything after two centuries of carte-blanche research. Earth became a massive, pretty prison and you are one of the few in the know. But nobody wants to know.
If you speak about Them, they might just appear. Don’t even whisper.

>>74816573
>>74816652
Plot twist; the technocrats have all been dead for generations. Their manors all contain holodecks full of mummified corpses with enormous smiles and their robotic security has been running on autopilot.

>>74816726
Plot twist twist
You da teknokrat naaaw

>>74816748
If you can find the control rooms, you might be able to hijack the system yes. That could be an endgoal for an evil party.

T B F OP, images you show are european cities with crazy british and spanish architects.

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>>74802672
You wanna know something scary? It works. Consider the following: after the Chernobyl disaster flooded the surrounding area with radiactivity, it became a nature preserve and the megafauna do better there than they do only A FEW MILES AWAY in an area which is essentially rural. This means that even a SMALL, RURAL population of humans is worse for the environment than even a nuclear disaster.

And the worst part of all? Humans STILL enter the Chernobyl Exlusionary Zone to poach the megafauna, because they're doing better there than in their own backyards. Humans are an absolutely sickening species.

>>74810553
You deserved it.

>>74817039
>implying the rampant desire to consume with no regard for the future is exclusive to humans, rather than there simply being too few checks to stop them
Ants have the numbers, but aren't big enough. Corvids have the brains, but not the manipulators necessary for the tools. Dolphins have the attitude perhaps worse than any ape does, but are stuck underwater. Any form of life, left unchecked, will consume everything in sight until nothing remains. You're seeing humanity as a disease, when it's just one symptom and the problem runs so much deeper. Viruses, bacteria, archaea, prions - look at those simplest of existences and you will see the basic nature of all life. The system we call nature can only remain in balance when its components /die too quickly/ to become a threat to each other, because nobody ever taught any of them how to hold back.

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>>74817283
You must escape biology entirely.

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>>74817283
>implying the rampant desire to consume with no regard for the future is exclusive to humans
Alright, let's put a fucking stop to this bullshit immediately. Humans are garbage. That's objective fact. Two of the reasons that humans are shit are that 1: you always lie and 2: you're dumber than dogshit. The Lion King is not a nature documentary, contrary to your kindergarten education of ecology. Elephants, hippos, rhinos, etc. None of these animals have significant predators, yet they have NEVER wiped out entire ecosystems. Not once in the history of their orders. NEVER. In fact, many fruiting trees are suffering for lack of Probosicdeans. Now let us compare that to you filthy fucking shit apes. 4 million years ago in East Africa, almost as soon as you arrive on the scene, animals start disappearing, and they haven't stopped yet. You have managed to convert nearly every square inch of arable land on Earth to agriculture or cities and you have wiped out almost every single large animal on the planet. Humans are the ONLY species in the BILLIONS-YEAR LONG HISTORY OF THE PLANET to cause a mass extinction event.

So, NO, you are not "just like everyone else". Humans are a special kind of disease.

>>74817434
It's not our fault elephants didn't invent guns.

>>74817434
cane toads would like to say hello from the devastated remnants of the native australian ecosystem

>>74817559
No it's your fault. They are not AT FAULT for not doing so. You are at fault for doing so. You fail to understand that some animals actually ADD to their ecosystems, rather than simply take away from them. Corals create the basis for entire ecosystems - some of the richest on the planet. There is no point where corals would "consume all life" on Earth, because they do the fucking opposite.

>>74817571
You mean an animal that humans brought to Australia?

>>74817434
>no other species in billions of years has caused a mass extinction
Because they did not have the power to. That is genuinely the ONE AND ONLY reason. They did not preserve anything, they lacked the power to destroy it. Eoraptor did not give a single flying hoot about the therapsids. Mammalian carnivores did not shed a single tear for the terror birds. If even PLANTS are more than happy to strangle each other's roots for a little more soil or water, what makes you think for even ONE second that all of them would somehow, instinctively, know to hold back in favor of an ecological balance that they DO NOT COMPREHEND? Have you seen the glint in a pod of dolphins' eyes when they murder a porpoise to have a new toy? Have you seen the ruthless efficiency with which a colony of ants tears apart anything in its path?

Where do you think Man learned his cruelty, if not from his predecessors? Because it certainly didn't come from nowhere. I'm sorry if you grew up thinking wolves or something were these noble creatures that knew their place in the universe, but you're naive and your ghost will watch in pain as animals continue pushing for every advantage they can get at any cost long after mankind is extinct.

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>>74817623
>Because they did not have the power to.
Wrong. Now shut the fuck up. Might doesn't make right. You're simply a pathogen. Deal with it.

>>74817665
You ever hear of of surplus killing? It's where predators murder shit just because they can. From zooplankton to polar bears, they all do it. A fun story is one of a fox killing 70 penguins and just leaving all the delicious murder meat behind.

>>74817665
>Might doesn't make right
you sound more like someone in denial about his ideals not being reflected by reality than anything else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

>>74817802
to be fair that one was an accident.

>>74817768
Yes, PREDATORS. You know, the only animals you worship? Predators are no better than parasites in many cases. It's the herbivores that help maintain ecosystems. Orcas collapse kelp forests. Humans collapse the entire biosphere.

>From zooplankton to polar bears, they all do it
NO, they DON'T "all do it". Nothing does the kind of damage humans do. Nothing in the ENTIRE FOSSIL RECORD.

NOTHING. It doesn't have to be repeated again. Humans are not animals. Humans are demons. You have degenerated to a level BELOW animals.

>>74817794
What exactly makes you think that what you're doing is in any way acceptable? Because someone doesn't crush your skull for doing it then mouthing off?

>>74817853
>Nothing in the ENTIRE FOSSIL RECORD
>>74817802

>>74817853
So the canetoads aren't that harmful after all, are they?

>>74817853
Yeah that's why after we got rid of the wolves, the deer have kept the ecosystem in perfect balance and definitely haven't become an ecological problem. Obviously predators are just parasites.

Ecosystems all consist of boom-bust cycles. predators eat all the herbivores until there's too many predators in the ecosystem and then they starve en-masse allowing the herbivores to have their own boom, allowing the predators to predate to the limit thus continuing the cycle.

And what is a herbivore but a predator to plants, they face the exact same cycles.

Humans broke this cruel cycle of balance and thus our impact has a greater impact on our environment, but any animal is capable of this and your assertion of nothing in the fossil record having the impact we did is false as was stated previously with the Great Oxidation Event.

Ultimately the only thing that separates humans in our impact is the fact that we are cognizant of it and have taken steps to mitigate. It may be slight for now and not enough but the fact that we do it at all is unique. No other animal would do this, only us.

Take your misanthropic bullshit out of here.

>>74817853
how does it not occur to you that arguing about humans being evil is a
1. a stupid thing to say when you're a human yourself
2. is a non starter when argued with other humans
3. marks you out as a dangerous nutcase

I means seriously your argument is "PEOPLE ARE BAD"
nobody is ever going to want to hear that, the fact that you think yourself is probably brain damage

>>74817853
>NO, they DON'T "all do it".
oh, i get it, this is one of those Markov chain things that generates random text. it has no memory, which is why it doesn't know what the "it" in that sentence referred to.

So uh, can anyone explain to me what Solar punk actually is?

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I really don't enjoy the overly futurist solar punk aesthetic, to me solar punk is the combination of
>1. abundant nature and scare human development
>2. modern technology as opposed to self conscious primitivism
>3. low population, which is the foundation for 1, 2 to exist in the first place.

what solar punk is NOT
>1. high population, because high populations ruins the conceit
>2. future-primitivism or retro futurism, because both of these are post-apocalyptic technological themes and you've crossed into an existing genre if you go there
and
>3. expansive human development, because that also erodes the conceit of abundant nature. Like these images people have made of these crowded dense cities but they have solar panels and potted plants everywhere--that aesthetic does nothing at all. Nature and humans clash, its unavoidable. If you have have abundant nature it necessitates scaricity of construction.
Take the same cool looking buildings, reduce their number down to a small village of 5 large buildings, spread them out a little farther, nestle them in a mountain valley then you've got solar punk.

the best way to describe solar punk is, you go hiking/camping in the woods with all your modern conveniences that would take on such a trip. Also you have cabins and other such places to stay in with many of the modern niceties you'd enjoy on a camping trip today.
The difference is in the solar punk setting there are no suburbs to go back to when the trip is over, no cities. The whole world is like that.

>inb4 someone already defined solar punk and you can't change it
what they defined it as sucked, my idea is a lot cooler. Furthermore its actually relatable, since most people have been vacationing in the woods. Like Shigeru Miyamoto got the idea for legend of Zelda running around in the woods around Kyoto, solar punk is just a modern update of running around in the woods with more ubiquitous tech insisting upon itself in the context of fantasy on which it is based.

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solar punk is the post-apocalypse without the doom
its spacewestern without the space.
its a modern world that still has places left to explore, instead of no frontier it is ALL frontier.

I can't see it working without a pervasive sense of loneliness. People spamming high density housing with plants and panels on every awning bathed in yellow light are just running with a concept that doesn't work.

>>74811474
>the idea of millennial waste still freaks me out
Same, until they figure out a solution I'm not going to be 100% comfortable with atomic energy

>>74804400
>White people are supposedly like %70 of the population (US)
>3 out of 9 people are non white
>accurate representation of population
>somehow too white?

>>74818472
>>74818606
Totally agree with these posts.
There may still be cities of a sort, but they would be much smaller, or husks of the former cities, perhaps even badlands of a sort.

>>74809946
This argument is a guy with half the facts arguing with a guy with none of the facts, but because I like telling people about things:

Tragedy of the Commons sometimes occurred and sometimes didn't, for the same reasons all options of a prisoner's dilemma scenario do. Sometimes common resources were over-exploited, sometime they were used sustainably or even gradually improved. It all depended on whether the society in question built effective mechanisms to encourage good behavior. Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't, and sometimes good mechanisms broke and bad mechanisms were fixed. None of these societies existed for 100,000 years or more, because 100,000 years ago humans didn't have societies bigger than a few dozen people and said groups weren't formalized enough to constitute one society for longer than it took for members to switch over from birth, death, entering, and leaving.

It's actually rare for a society to hit a Malthusian limit because things like disease, warfare, and natural disasters tend to keep societies considerably less numerous. Malthus' model only really held for the brief period he was alive wherein his society had advanced to the point where outside factors didn't cause periodic collapses and recovery but not to the point where scientific advancement occurred super-linearly. It is a phases societies can enter where infrastructure is high but stagnant, but for obvious reasons, societies don't tend to stay in that phase long. The majority of the time, societies are either growing at about the rate they die to to external events and maximum resource capacity doesn't really factor, they're growing faster and quickly increasing resource capacity as they go (usually referred to as golden eras or something similar), or their dying at a rapid rate due to societal collapse destroying capacity in a runaway chain reaction. Lingering around in misery wasn't the typical experience.

>>74819644
Hunter-Gatherer societies indeed obtained a lot of calories from a shorter work day, and malnutrition was exceedingly rare in hg societies. Paleolithic societies did take excellent care of their kin, ancient people loving and caring for family members should surprise no one. Famines occurred pretty frequently though and infanticide was a commonly used form of population control. It bore no resemblance to Hobbs, fascism, or eugenics. Hunter gatherers couldn't care for many young children relative to the number of healthy adults in the group (due to a lot of factors). It was a control on population make up, not population number. Excess absolute population was generally sent out in the form of young adult men going on raiding parties or risky voyages because of the enormous upsides if they succeeded.

Improvements in the quality of life after the Black Death in Europe, a bit counter-intuitively, happened in spite of the Black Death rather than because of them. They actually stemmed from the rise of urbanization and an explosion in trade and learning which caused the Black death and then managed to continue on after it. Killing 1/3 of your population and ravaging the centers of your economy doesn't actually make people healthier or wealthier (Native Americans didn't get richer or healthier after smallpox), people had shit times during and after the plague. The benefits trade and cities gave were just so incredibly huge that the Black death itself wasn't able to undo the good they did.

The current increase in global population definitely can be attributed to better fertilizers and mechanization. It also stems from earlier practices that were overshadowed by colonialism causing a ton of death and societal collapse until fairly recently, so the sharpness of the increase was partially due to bouncing back (as hinted at by the rate slowing down as some ex colonies pull themselves back up to being basically functional nations).

>>74819658
It's also worth noting that we have ample evidence of infanticide during hard times in settled societies.

>>74818381
it's called "Hopepunk"

https://blog.usejournal.com/the-new-punk-why-hopepunk-and-noblebright-are-the-sff-genres-of-2019-d19ee6657f64

Journalists and Coasties have been pushing this as a "movement" based on the aesthetic of CalArts cartoons for at least 4 years. What's really, really funny is that no-one outside of the Cartoon fandom is biting. Nobody takes this crap seriously except for the "VERY SERIOUS JOURNALIST" coasties who are pushing it.

HopePunk as a movement is Dead on Arrival and watching this gaggle of Coasties flocking around it desperately trying to resuscitate their stillborn baby movement is actually really funny.

I prefer to call it "Sparklepoo."

Expect Sparklepoo settings to start cropping up in /tg/ in the coming decade as TwiTumblrinas continue their desperate campaign to astroturf their movement into existence. There will likely be a brief period where Sparklepoo appears to take over and FLGS game stores are crammed full of books with retina-scorching rainbow covers and characters who look like 80's Girl's Cartoon rejects, all drawn in that hideous Calarts style. Wizards will probably follow suit with a new edition of DND that features a return of 4th edition style "balance" and "accessibility" mechanics. It will flop and the trend will be towards "Old School" again in the latter half of the decade.

>>74818606
In that case, you want the Yankee Republic Series by Fenton Wood

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>>74803744
>>74816485
>>74816573
>>74816652
>>74816726
The trick would be to make it seem like a conventional Fair Folk story for as long as possible. At the start, the peasant village looks like it belongs in the past, with at most, only the occasional reusable durable modern tools and materials and minor anachronistic vocabulary and slang, all in the background.

Then when the PCs finally go to the place the community's superstition tells everyone to avoid, they find some kind of freakish drone instead of a Brian Froud monstrosity.

>>74820266
That sounds really gay
>>74820609
Is that you M. Night Shamalamadindgong? The Village sucked

OP, what is punk about that concept?

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>>74812570
>No, because the latter scenario has virtually never happened - paleolithic and pre-modern societies take excellent care of their kin, even when they’re disabled, crippled, blind, deaf, or infirm.

Native americans literally sent the weak out to die in the wilderness you unnatural civilised faggot. stop pushing your civcuck egalitarian ideals on ancient people

>>74820266
>article by a literal who about cartoons
Yawn.

Ivory Tower by Bruce Sterling
https://www.nature.com/articles/434806a

>>74802194
So where's the -punk in this? Are they fighting against being hippies? Do they drive hummers?

>>74821455
This is -punk used as a generic suffix to denote an extremely niche science fiction sub-genre, not to communicate anything about the tone.
>that's not what -punk means.
Yes it is. No I don't like it either, but the battle was lost years ago.

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>>74820967
the punk suffix doesn't denote punk aesthetics it just means you're going backwards against the grain of some generic expectation

cyberpunk is a misnomer because its really science-fiction-punk, it goes against the generic expectations of science fiction.
elf-punk doesn't have punk elves, its just a contrary take on fantasy.

the writer is the punk, his world doesn't necessarily have any punks or punk culture in it.

solarpunk takes what is essentially the hopeful, optimistic narrative of environmentalist progressives and their positivist solar paneled utopia and goes backwards on it in an uncomforting direction. And people will consider you sort of a jerk or a "punk" to do so, as you can see from the butt hurt in this thread with anons freaking out like "NOOOOO! NATURE ISN'T LIKE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING NOOOOOO"

>>74821542
Nah, outside /tg/ threads most so-called solarpunks seem to be taking it seriously. We don't, but that's because this is 4chan, the most cynical place on the internet.

>>74817434
Cyanobacteria says hello. Choke on our toxic oxygen.

>>74821759
4chan?
Gee I musta took a wrong turn at albakoikee

>>74802378
Modern technology doesn't require nearly the level of environmental abuse modern society uses though, that's the point of the "movement" such as it were. It's objectively mathematically demonstrably possible to move one hundred percent of our current reliance on fossil fuels to other things and have everything still work, people just don't wanna because of the billions and billions of dollars oil makes

>>74821881
>It's objectively mathematically demonstrably possible to move one hundred percent of our current reliance on fossil fuels to other things and have everything still work
Not without nuclear.

>>74820967
There is nothing punk about any of the splat-punks.

>>74822068
Yeah, that's my point. Thorium based nuclear can't collapse the way uranium can, and we've already found methods that completely get rid of any nuclear waste.

>>74820973
>Native americans literally sent the weak out to die in the wilderness you unnatural civilised faggot.
*some. Not all. Stop pushing your civcuck authoritarian ideals on people.

>>74822091
The very same cultists who're calling for oil-based alternatives hate nuclear even worse than oil.

Humanity, as a whole have around 60 years to achieve space exploration in any meaningful way.

They usually talk about the great filter like its about wars or other disasters that happen naturally or through the natural progression of war, but what about lack of resources to get into space?

Resources are finite, and oil is an energetic goldmine that also serves for material production of a lot of things, uranium is also finite and so on.

And think that every time a uranium atom is extracted and suffers fission its not going to become uranium 235 again, every time cadmium or vanadium are applied to electronics and discarded into some dump waste you might recover 60%-70%(90% for aluminum but we are not going to run of Al anytime soon) and every time we delve deeper into the Earth to find new deposits, costs skyrockets while our ability to provide the complex systems and energy needed can't keep up with the geometric consumption.

If by the time we reach peak oil(along with other resources)and humanity, as species, haven't found a solution to this, there won't be any other window of opportunity for space expansion, no other period of such richness, knowledge and stability and we would have to wait millions of years until all the elements are eaten by Earth's crust and spilled again, and life covers the Earth as it did in the Cambric-Triasic, then there would be another chance, and could anyone dare to say that human civilization can stay as complex and technological as it is now for millions of years, or even humanity as species?

And before we go "muh technological progress" to reach orbit you need energy, that energy can only be delivered through its exploitation and transport be it; uranium, oil, fusion... and the more exotic technology becomes the more elements and rare compounds are involved in either its production or actual final product.

>>74822117
>If by the time we reach peak oil
You mean 10 years ago?

>>74822117
the only reason why all that organic matter was able to turn into fuel was because it went a long ass time without the existence of fungal decomposers and just sat there until it was eventually buried by time and crushed into being fuel for my truck

it will never reform unless mushrooms are destroyed

KILL
ALLL
MUSHROOMS

>>74822239
This is the stuff of post-apocalyptic future religions. If you and your descendants and their descendants going on long enough kill all fungus, eventually oil will reemerge and humanity will have another chance at escaping earth.

>>74817283
>N-no, everything is the same as humans
Aside one simple difference - we know better, rather than just following instincts

>>74822239
>>74822261
What timeframe are we talking here? Literally millions of years. Not practical.

>>74823152
I am a time traveler from a resource starved future earth.
you need to listen to anon: the fate of humanity depends on it.

>>74802194
That's not what solarpunk is, dipshit.

Solarpunk does not believe in sparingly using technology, it believes in using it in tandem with nature and green spaces, rather than as an enemy to it. You're looking at cities filled with green spaces woven throughout, and with renewable energy being the source of its power.

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>>74823425
>cities filled with green spaces woven throughout
yeah see that makes zero sense

solarpunk is defined by militant environmentalism and wardship of the land, cities are the enemy

what your describing is parkcore, the idea that urban sprawl can be mitigated by breaking it up with parks and reservoirs even though its all concrete based and just creates more sprawl.

>>74823388
If you have developed time travel, how are you still having such problems? Just invade the Cretaceous period and mine their totally untapped oil and ore reserves.

>>74823425
It's also hopelessly unrealistic

>>74823592
you need to visit oregon.
Outside of the most pure concrete zones, all the human habitation is practically fucking mid-forest.
And it's only partially a choice, given the rate at which the forest will fucking reclaim things if given half a chance.
The trees don't need someone to speak for them up here, they're strong enough to require teams of people just to hold them back.

>>74802194
>interest
>in solar punk
How can you have an interest in something that literally does not exist and makes no sense?

>>74802672
Doesn't have to be nuclear strikes. Honestly, some kind of railgun/mass driver would probably be sufficient, shelling out depleted uranium balls with steel cores accelerated to extreme velocities.

Would absolutely vaporize any facility with just a few cannonballs. Could even be automated. Should probably have been done decades ago.

>>74817039
Also, more importantly, the radioactivity of modern hydrogen bombs is practically none. You could nuke the shit out of an industrial area and walk in there a few days later, no problem.

>>74817283
That is not unique to humans, but humans are the only ones where it poses an intrinsic problem. Humans are effectively a cancer.

If we controlled population to between 500 million and 1 billion, this would not be an issue. But apparently, Fascism, sustainability, and eugenics is haram.

>>74802194
Embrace it.

>>74823713
In fact, target time periods right before known mass extinction events in general.

>>74824245
>Could even be automated.
What's the programmed targeting criteria?

>>74802194
Just run the Culture

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Earth 2100. After several large scale disasters and conflicts, new states formed with old states and a strange new power dynamic was formed between the five great powers.

The Pirates' Tribal Thalassocracy is a pariah state, funded and maintained mainly through piracy, mercernary work, extortion and occasionally deliveries. Divided into four territories, they descend from same of the former Great Powers, now having adapted to a more tribal and primal style of living. Sailing and piracy is considered the lifeblood of states and most of people's trades affect the industry either directly (timber, blacksmithing, mining) to more indirect means (writing to provide comfort on long voyages or propaganda), pirates are the decadant royals of this Great Game, either on captured ships or their own built. Indigenous peoples are the most successful in this form of living, with the Long House State being the most powerful. While they tend to compete and backstab each other at a regular basis, they will unite against other powers. Consisting of a warped fusion of libretarianism and tribal chiefdoms, freedom is valued above all else with loyalty to the crew and the code being close seconds. You are free to do what you want, but what goes around comes around. Saavy?

>>74832976
United World Industries is a technological marvel straight out of cyberpunk, having been formed by the world's richest and most influential individuals around the time of the collaspe, they fled to Europe, specifically what was once Germany. Through the use of remaining connection and the promise of security and supplies to a chaos-ravaged world, they quickly grew to become arguably the most influential power in the world. The company logo is proudly presented in many of the products that the people live in. Best described as a collection of corporate republics merging to become a superpower, they bring to mind the main infamous companies of past times. Here, neoliberalism and consumerism rule in this strange form of the spectacle and capitalism. People are pressured to exploit themselves and the struggle to find meaning is neverending, filled with new products. However, the UWI likes to back up the little guys in order to help keep up morale while also exploiting their own creativity. They are in for the long-term profit and are smarter (and even a bit kinder) than the robber baron of yesteryear. The UWI is divided into the global headquarters, client states and lastly dependent states. Raw materials or products or even services are sold all over and in one way or another, you work for them. Do what you can and you get your cookie at the end of the day.

>>74832976
>>74832996
The Oceanic Technocratic Federation is the closest to how life was before the collaspe. Rather than focus on capital, they focus on advancement. To them, the greatest contributions are through the mind. The only power meeting if not possibly exceeding the UWI, technical experts are considered the final word here. Scientists, engineers and technologists are the key respected figures and everyone strives to be a renaissance person. While they maintain aspects like an economy and a culture, everything is driven for the sake of science and progress. The arts are not ignored though, but it can be difficult being an artist sometimes though the Federation does maintain welfare. The culture is a strange amaglation and the language was reconstructed from the various core states, assosiate states and obersrving territories in regards to an alphabet. For the most part, they are interested in rebuilding from the past while taming the wildlands into places habitable for human usage. While spirituality is not frowned upon, the technocracy places value on being the best on your merit. It's an ambitious life where you can bring out your talents in a post cyberpunk home.

>>74832976
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>>74833009
The Coalition of Transhuman Territories is strange. While a hodgepodge of tribal confederacies, kingdoms, domains, republics and whatnot, what they have in common is that they are the result of science going beyond and the Singularity having happened. People have upgraded themselves and experimented on themselves in various ways. Proudly showing off their tribal mark of a Double-Helix, these people are still somewhat human, but some don't look like it. From bionic limbs to infusing themselves with animal or plant cells, it is the realm of the strange and wonderful here. While there are tribal disputes alongside with the struggle against the harsh environments, it is still a varied life. If you are willing to go beyond what you are, lose yourself on the way here. People here tend to work all over the spectrum though the places are becoming stranger, especially through the fusions of nanotechnology, plants and human biology. Tolerance and a love for the strange is needed here.

The Global Social Democracies of New Eden is a green haven of acceptance and spirituality. If the OTF is post cyberpunk, then New Eden would be solar punk. Focused on craftmanship, community and sustainable technology, New Eden took the longest to develop, but when they formed, it was a sight to behold. An egalitarian environment, the social democracies were made in mind for the hope of a better future and progressivism. The New Eden social democracies tend to be organized by the quantity of technology and when they joined in, but the standard of living in all of them is quite high. Their symbol was one drawn from the inspiration of the arts and rperesents them as a whole. Regardless, they still work actively in maintaining th environment and moving forward while also maintaining the responsabilities they have as a large power. Dedication to peace and prosperity, the hope of the future remains alive and well with New Eden.

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>>74823985
>you need to visit oregon.
everything your describing used to describe the northern California coast as well.
It was eventually conquered with concrete and destroyed and is now perpetually on fire like the rest of the state.
The citizens will now blame trump and move to oregon or wherever else and ruin that place as well.

human development (concrete) is in fact the problem. It doesn't really matter if you're paving over land for a solar farm or a kitten rescue its just more earth being cleared, graded and paved over.
Environmentalism means absolutely nothing without population control.
Meanwhile you can have 300 diesel generator using, deer shooting rednecks rolling over wildflowers on 4 wheelers, nature can handle it because its 300 people doing that damage, not 300,000 dutifully sorting their recycling and installing solar panels on their massive concrete, fully graded and leveled, up and coming subdivision with a homedepot and and starbucks and curves fitness and a pfchangs and 3 wallmarts

>>74824256
You don’t know what you’re talking about.