"Freakshit" races: yay or nay? If you include them, should they be regarded as freaks and oddities, excluded from polite society, or be at least partially integrated, with their own cultures and civilizations?
If no, where do you draw the line of "freak"?
>>71372884Include what you like. Don't include what you don't. That's all there is to it.Don't use a race you don't like as an excuse to say "I hate [group] and want them to suck", whether it stands for a real-world analog or a group of players who play races like the one you've selected. Only cuckolds and faggots do this.
what is this making 2 threads with the exact same subject back to back, are you poaching the other thread or just a spamming asshole?
>>71372987Trying to have a neutral discussion on the matter, and also an excuse to post this guy's art
>>71372884Yay.>should they be regarded as freaks and oddities, excluded from polite society, or be at least partially integrated, with their own cultures and civilizations?Integrated since they're intelligent humanoids and will think similarly too use in many important ways. It also entirely depends on the race. In my own world the pseudo Greek horsefolk are an ancient race and were responsible for preserving civilization during an asteroid winter due to their potent magics. Nowadays theyre a fallen race who have mostly either integrated into human lands or sit on ages of dangerous magic in their petty island kingdoms. It is entirely common to see the horsefolk in port cities across the warmer climes.Dragonborn have a great dragon empire and the arrogance that matches it. They also share the love of food, women, wine, and gold that nobles and dragons both have. To share the friendship of a Dragonborn is to have a bro for life and share in his riches, utterly unlike dragons and nobles.Tieflings and Aasimar are more common than redheads, with the latter being regarded as strange by superstitious rural folk.Gnolls have a deserved reputation as demon worshipping monsters due to their more civilized folk exiling their undesirable criminals, psychopaths, and demon worshipping cultists westward into human lands. Thanks to the recent establishment of trade lines near their territory, to bypass the stranglehold of the dragon empire on trade to notIndia, stories of more decent hyena people are beginning to spread.If its a PC race its obviously playable with minimum drawbacks via hatred by other races. I dislike needless racism and DMs trying to emulate grimdark English peasants from 13th century in what is a completely different world with a far more fantastical nature. Fantasy racism isn't fun or interesting, its just an excuse to indulge in nasty behavior.
>>71373008Your discussion can't possibly be neutral when you lead off with something like "freakshit", anon.
>>71372884Yay.>If you include them, should they be regarded as freaks and oddities, excluded from polite society, or be at least partially integrated, with their own cultures and civilizations?I did both, for different races.
>>71372884Always no, and filter your acquaintances better.
>>71373284Hence the quotes. I was hoping using the term right off the bat would defuse it a bit
>>71372884>Yay or nayYay>Regarded as freaks and odditiesDepends. Tieflings are seen as debauched sinners who indulge in hedonistic pleasure, whereas half-dragons and Dragonborn are outright hated by elves and might be attacked on sight since Elves have a hatred for dragons and humans. Orcs vary depending on whether they have a brand on their face or not, the ones with a brand - one that can only be made by their clan and is a closely-guarded secret - are seen as tolerable while ones without are feared. Goblins are generally seen as mindless beasts, with the top 10% of them being intelligent to any degree and the top 1% being possibly capable of socializing with other races in a non-violent way. Half-dragons and dragonborn are both dragonspawn, which parent is male determines which you get, and they get on well with humans but not with elves. Lizardfolk are ostracized and seen as barbaric monsters who kill and eat anything that isn't them - and they are, usually. A rare few might meet with someone and not kill them and expand their horizons.
>>71373468>I made a bait thread but it didn't get 5 replies in under 5 minutes so I tweaked it and reposted it immediately
>>71373537Not the same guy.
I personally like fantasy races, especially weird, interesting, or fun ones- but I prefer them to be low magic as much as possible. I don't mind people wanting to play something not a human but it needs to have near human weaknesses and few if any magical powers or innate "weirdness" since that detracts from the core struggle and challenge of the game world.
>>71372959Vamp has seen some shit.
My only issue with races is a mechanical one. If some part of their physiology allows them to bypass the limitations of the human body that ultimately guided the structure of the rules then it isn't going to fly as an option for a player character, even if it has some sort of drawback to "balance" it out. If your bat creature alien race thing has stubby little wing flaps and big ears that let it hear better than the av-er-age bear then sure, but flight and echolocation are off the table even if it means you're blind and can't run.
>>71372884Freak to whomst? Regarded by whomst?
>>71372884I don't care what you do with your stories, adventures, and campaigns. I have no particular opinion on what or how you should use races. Just make better threads please.
I prefer a low number of races, perhaps even two, and each having a dramatically different silhouette then the humans/each other. Put extra effort into the race's unique equipment, lifestyles, mindset, and culture.Huge race lineups composed of human lookalikes who act like humans but with a gimmick are awful.That I'm using this as an example pic shows that I don't often get what I want.
>>71374416What's with japan and dogs holding blades in their mouths?
Croyant de la GBS gang rise up.
>>71374624It's smoking, which if anything is dumber given what that might do to such finely tuned smell receptors. It'd be like giving a painter smack to rub straight into his delicate eyes.
>>71374760Godammit, I though I stretched it to twice its height.
>>71372884I don't know Yäk, but he seems an eggselent guy.
>>71372884I dig these distorted forms, one setting has "humanity" run the game between extremes of complexity and size. Weirder than elves, dwarves, etc while being acknowledged by everyone in-universe as men.
>>71375027Run the gamut, I mean.
>>71372884>>71372898Sauce on the image ?
>>71375147Right there in the filename, dude. It leads to "volgoutlh" on Artstation.
>>71375190Thx a bunch
>>71373577What rules/stats should a playable mobot have?
>>71375249It's as much an extension of the hive as its Cop and Dro brethren, without them to act on its behalf it's all brain and no hands. Any games where you've played as a group organism by the way?
It depends highly on the backdrop of the setting honestly. I always roll my eyes at some guy immediately saying, but you'll be killed on sight blah blah blah, ignoring that for such creatures to be playable they generally need to be able to do and communicate similar things to the standard races, and likely have existed and interacted with the other races for thousands of years.
>>71374717He doesnt actually smokes, he just holds the pipe because hes imitating his former owner
I get the need for them in sci-fi in which each species needs to "make sense" but I dont see the point in fantasy. How do you differentiate them from things that are supposed to be separate from mortals like monsters or spirits? Its begging for an aesthetic overlap
>>71377537I'd agree save for a deliberately wacky setting where everything's supposed to be off-kilter. I have a grab bag of underdark races for just such an occasion, pic relate for the alien ecosystem. Alternatively this >>71375027 varied humanity's definition of "personhood" is the difference between domestication, citizenship or eradication, the ambiguity between man and monster is exactly what I'm after.
>>71377631Curse my browser.
>>71372884Yay. Degree of integration is proportionate to how freakish the freaks are. I generally wouldn't even have Dwarves commonly living side by side with Humans. They aren't necessarily hostile, but it's a rare sight. A novelty or oddity. Same goes for seeing a human in dwarf lands. They're weird goofy lanklets to the dwarves.
>>71373263>needless racismracism is never needless, it's the only rational response to clown world
>>71372884Isn't that the job of worldbuilding to decide? Like, in a cosmopolitan setting where people are just a few hours' airship ride away from the next continent, goblins and orcs have been domesticated and housebroken, cities sprawl across the world and the wilderness has dwindled to a few pitiful pockets kept around by elvish environmentalist groups for exploitation purposes while tomb robbers finished looting the last dungeon centuries ago and now only tour groups enter them, your weird aye-aye man character is just another citizen whose species got added to the melting pot way back when. In a darkest Africa-style setting where civilization is limited to a few human colonial forts and the various weird jungle tribes seem to be trying to outcompete each other in the cannibalism and summoning pagan god ritual olympics, that same aye-aye man is probably going to be shot on sight unless a bunch of humans can vouch for him.And in a third setting, where the aye-aye reich has conquered the world, your character *is* polite society, and is likely snubbing the stupid uppity elf bard who keeps talking about equality of the species.
>>71373263>Fantasy racism isn't fun or interesting,until your lord rouses at first light to tell the steward to wake the goblins so they might slop the niggers, you ARE NOT QUALIFED to roll such faggot words around inside your gay lil cocksucker.
>>71373577Is the one on the right "ascneded coomer"?
>>71374658he looks like a good fren>>71374760>>71374775let me get that for you
Little surprised to see this still alive
>>71381818>living on memes
>>71372884I never understood why humans, elves, tiefling, giant etc are called races. They're clearly different species, and the things that usually get called "subraces" or "varients" are races. An elf us a different species to a human, and a wood elf is a different race to a drow.
>>71383626We need to go longer.
>>71384930Hey I resent that comment, I live on memes and even I'm not a racist. Not like that word has any meaning anymore in the common lexicon anyway since it's been diluted and redefined by retards so many times.
>>71385374half-elves say you're wrong
>>71372884what's the Croyant de la GBS thing?
>>71372884>"Freakshit"No such thing. If you play a race well and give them traits beyond "oh wow I'm so strange and oppressed woOoOoOoOo" they can add spice to a party and lead to some interesting encounters. The real thing we should be complaining about are the nogames tumblr refugees that post pinups of tieflings and think they're quirky for listening to a single episode of Critical Role. Literally just play your characters, you fucking gremlins.
>>71386842It's a posthuman worshiper of... something. My French isn't really good enough to work out what the GBS is from what is in the little bit the artist has posted.
>>71385374Theme. Species as a term is too scientific and modern to properly fit into the themes of a "medieval" fantasy game. Race works but it also comes with a ton of baggage and issues.Personally I like what Pathfinder 2 has done and switched to Ancestries to replace race, Heritages that replace the sub race system entirely, and turning separate sub races into lore. The word Ancestry fits the medieval theme better than the more recent and baggage filled word of race.
>>71372884In a like spirit world setting I think all of these things could be included. In a generic medieval fantasy however I think that might be weird.
>>71387789Perhaps only because you're not used to it. If you're trying to shoehorn them into standard pseudo-european fantasy then yeah it'd be jarring, but you can definitely have something that fills the same role but allows for a much greater diversity of aesthetics and actors. Something like Kenshi, Morrowind, etc.
>>71386971What do you mean there's no such thing? A character can be deep and still look like an abomination that people might want to kill on sight (or at least be afraid of) because they don’t know any better.
>>71386520...sounds like what a racist would say
>>71385374No they aren't, they're capable of interbreeding, ergo they are not separate species.
>>71388912>>71386536Oh yeah... Forgot about that part. Still, I'd say they're a little bit more separated than races
>>71372959Strong Adventure Time vibe on this guy.
>>71372884Source of these pictures OP ?
>>71383207Instead of white and black ganging up on green,you have white and green ganging up on black?Intresting...
>>71389203Bird faggot as in kenku, yes. Bird faggot as in Croyant de la GBS, no.
>>71372884I love them but there is a time and place for everything.Like a sword and sorcery setting where the world is a ravaged wasteland because of the of Sorcerers and their abominations and "demons".
>>71389203playing a team of gritty adventurers is disgusting.if even your fucking escapism sucks, why do you even live
>>71372884Depends on the setting. When it comes to sci fi ayysI prefer them more freakish than if we played fantasy. So freakish usually that you can't really have them as PCs. Also important to remember that playing a non human doesn't automatically make your character more interesting, especially when it functions like a coat of paint on the same personality you use for every character.
>>71391868Any particular ayys of choice?
>>71373731I'm in agreement with this. Something like Ironclaw or freak races in D&D doesn't break my immersion, but once magic gets too extreme the world stops being relatable.
>>71372884>>71372898>>71373008>>71373577>>71384737>>71384814I really like these kinds of creative species. I would love to have them in a setting. I wish he showed off both genders though maybe some backstory too. They're pretty neat.
>>71388000What I'm saying is actual racists - specifically those who say things like "lol you can't be racist to white people #killallwhites" and then go around saying "this thing is racist" even if it is provably not as well as the more candid racists on the far-right such as our """good friends""" over on /pol/ - have diluted the term so much that its losing its meaning - "Discrimination based on race". I think this is bad.
>>71372884I once sent my players to a far planer realm inhabited by an advanced civilization of crystalline spider people. (stick your hand in holes and win fabulous prizes!" They where celebrities for a few weeks but eventually they where eventually hunted down and expelled from the plain because "those four armed freaks don't belong here among normal civilized people!"
Weird races are fine if integrated into the settingCore races are bad if not integrated into the setting.There is nothing that makes an elf or myconid inherently good or bad for your game besides being well established in the lore and background for the setting.Lazy kitchen sink settings that just include every race without giving any thought to where they come from or their history are the worst. If a DM wants to put the work into including 20+ races with full history and racial interactions that's great, but most aren't up to that kind of task."Freakshit" is just a lazy way of saying the above.
Posting more art
>>71373263Faggot DM, never touch dice again please.
>>71373263What a huge fag>having literal demon blood gets lets weird folk superstition about you than red hair>despite a number of non-supernatural and supernatural-but-not-inherently-evil means of having red hair
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lVZw8aThe source for the images posted thusfar, plus the setting from which they come. Tragically it's all in frogtongue
>>71388000Oh no he said somthing you dont like horrible .Will you protect advocate for females to get same prison time as men? Or Tell Black person he/she is rasist ? I dont think so
>>71396577>https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lVZw8aPerfect, I'm a frog
>>71396577Ok, so I read it all and this setting is fucking depressing. Though, I really want to play a campaign in it.
>>71397539Can you give a quick rundown on the setting for us monolinguals?
>>71372884Yay. And those are not "freakshits" Only butthurt and unimaginative hfyfags would have problems with that
>>71397539I'd like to echo the sentiment of >>71398472It looks really interesting but I can't understand a word of french.
>>71372884better than orcs
In personal experience, the people who bitch about 'freakshit' tend to be more disruptive to a game than people who play such characters.
>>71372884>>71372898No, but providing the fact that if a race is so rare in-setting that seeing it would be a 1 in a million oddity.If the freakshit race is common, than it's not freakshit.As for Dungeons and Dragons, it depends on how you personally perceive how cosmopolitan the setting actually is. If you think that Waterdeep would have all kinds of weird crap wandering around to the point that it isn't weird, than opening the book to anything is fine.
>>71400875Can confirm with my own campaign, the two people playing humans have played against their alignments the most, betrayed their character traits the most, and caused the most disharmony with the party of all members.
Bump in hopes of frenchanon's return
I'll translate some pages in a few hours if the thread is still up by then.
I'll just do the very beginning for now since I have to go.>The World of Rust>History and Bestiary of the Land of Uhia
>>71405265>History of Uhia (p 02)>Intro : the Cosmic Music (p4)>CH0 : The Tree (p5)>CH1 : The Era of Silence (p6)>CH2 : The Era of Titans (p7)>CH3 : The Era of Giants (p8)>CH4 : The Proto Era (p11)>CH5 : The Modern Era (p15)>CH6 : The Ante (don't know of to translate that) (p16)>CH7 : The Great War (p18)>CH8 : The Exante (p19)>CH9 : The Humus (p23)>CH10 : The End of Times (p25)>Lexicon (p27)>Gallery (p29)>Bestiary (p31)
Anyone who unironically use the term 'freakshit' shouldn't be played with on principle. There's more to fantasy then Tolkien. Fantasy should return to its Conanesq Pulp roots, which are objectively superior RPG settings
>>71405294I'll just post the pages with text but there are pages with no texts that are really beautiful, you should check that.Also my english is a bit broken and I have to translate it using DeepL to help me so the text will probably lose all its litterary flavor and value, unfortunately. I'll do a very basic translation.>Introduction>The Cosmic Music>Somewhere far out in the universe, music spread throughout the cosmos. This music that created the stars, planets and other celestial entities was called Ulth. This melody of creation moved into the void and could be felt and used to create things out of nothing. When this music reached the Moon, it caused forests to grow, and on the Earth, still covered with black dust, it planted a seed.
>>71405325>CHAPTER 0 : The Tree>Long after the death of the forests on the Moon, an incredible thing happens on Earth. A golden stalk slowly rises towards the sky. Its roots dig into the earth to drink from the heart of the planet. Its nacreous leaves capture the sun's rays, its trunk is covered with a thick bark that fluctuates with the gentle rhythm of the organism's movements. The rustle of giant leaves cradles this silent part of the cosmos until the day its trunk breaks. All that remains on the planet is the base and the roots of the tree. The roots wither quickly, allowing the heart of the planet to pour out onto the surface, filling it with a black ocean that only the top of the base of the tree protrudes. From the wound of the tree, the saturated sap of Ulth pours into the water.
>>71405383Now I have to go, I'll be back in a few hours.Also the last sentence of my last post sould be : "The sap, saturated with Ulth, pours into the water"
>>71373263I like this answer, but a little light 'we dont like yer kind around here' can be great for an antagonist.
How do I properly play a rare race to begin with? If I play them like any other character, it’s ‘could’ve played a human instead’. If I play them like their description in the setting notes, they’re ‘a caricature’. What can I do right?Also mainly bumping for the frog friend.
Bump, keep the thread alive
>>71405383>Flowing into the black ocean, the Ulth contained in the sap of the Tree creates the first primitive beings, bacteria and zoas that begin their existence. In this silent and blind world, the organisms evolve, multiplying and becoming ever more complex. On the submerged roots of the tree, large coral reefs form a complex ecosystem teeming with life. Meanwhile, on the base of the felled tree, the only land emerging from the waves, stupid and blind beasts crawl through mud and puddles, living a purposeless existence.
>>71406993>CHAPTER 2>The Era of Titans>From the silence of the abyss of the ocean appears a large underwater species: the Titans. Intelligent, these beings connected by a hive mind explore the ocean expanse. Soon, they become aware of their situation. Alone and unable to leave the waters, they join together to focus on creating their children through their matrix, which can shape the Ulth.>After creating increasingly complex beings, they set about the task of giving birth to other developed and intelligent creatures: the Giants.
>>71407023The first giants to be born are the great flying whales. Designed to leave the black ocean and explore the skies, the Titans endowed them with an immense memory and a strong sensitivity. In second place are created the Stellar Giants. Their role is to explore the ocean's only supercontinent, the land of Uhia. Able to create life and very curious, the stellar giants also leave the ocean.>The energy deployed to create pure life from Ulth is colossal. By the time the first giants leave the sea, nearly all the Titans have already died of exhaustion. The last few of the species, left to fend for themselves, once again feel the enormous burden of solitude falling on them.>In a final effort, they create their last children before they perish forever. These children come into the world alone, only able to feel emptiness and fear. They are the first of the Goulths, the great black octopuses, blind, imprisoned in the abyss and forgotten by history.>When the Titans disappear, the whales cry for the first time and vow never to forget.The annotations:>Bottom left: The creation of the Giants and the death of the Titans.>A little higher on the right: A Goulth.
>>71407082>CHAPTER 3>The Era of Giants>In only one place the black ocean gives way to the land, the supercontinent of Uhia. It is on its bark cliff beaches that the Stellar Giants emerge. When they arrive, Uhia is vast and deserted, only populated on its coasts by primitive archaeo-creatures, just recently out of the water. The Giants then begin the exploration and colonization of the land. >By singing the music of the Utlh, they create the silent proto-plants that become forests, and also the belligerent proto-insects to disseminate them. Secondly, they give birth to large worms to dig up the soil and make it fertile.>Also created are the insatiable Narraks to regulate the insect population, the Mogs who dig and fertilize streams, the Erx swarming forests and insects, and the wise Onchyres .
>>71407252>At the same time, the great whales are exploring the sky. Once they reach a certain height, some even lose their lives if they get too close to the stars. A few reach the Moon and contemplate its snowy and white surface.>To help them in their task, the Stellar Giants give birth to intelligent creatures evolving by photosynthesis like them: the Protos. Their task is to go where giants cannot: far underground and up in the mountains. They come into the world from the earth, planted by the Giants as seeds. The Protos are equipped with agile hands to create tools and help them with their tasks.>In the same way as the Titans, working the earth exhausts the Stellar Giants. One day, an epidemic spreads among them. They're completely decimated. The Protos, deprived of leadership, continue to perform their duties. Mechanically at first, then, forgetting their origins over the millennia, they learn to think for themselves.>When the Stellar Giants disappear, the whales cry for the second time and they never forget what they have experienced.The annotations :>Left : The terrible insect wars, the birth of forests and the great worms.>Right : Narak, Onchyre and Mog.
>>71407312>CHAPTER 4>The Proto Era>From the giants, the Protos learned of the existence of Utlh, thanks to machines. They were able to build matrices capable of creating life in small quantities. People of craftsmen and builders, they erect gigantic cities. In their thirst for construction, they cut down forests, raze mountains and dig into the ground. They create many tools and give birth to living things like Cyclops and Skinny People to serve them.
>>71407347>They also create their ultimate tools. Smaller, faster, more agile with their hands and more creative, these tools came out of the Protos matrixes. Reaching adult size in eight years, the first modern Men are built. Robust, these Men require few resources, they quickly become a widespread tool throughout the Proto society.>Modern men perform the tasks of miners, farmers, factory workers. Soon enough, the Protos are looking for new sources of energy for their machines. They have been observing the great whales for a long time, they come to consider them as one resource among many others. >One day, a whale is shot with a Proto cannon. It crashes heavily to the ground in a death rattle. Its shell of scales perforated, its red blood spills on the black sand. Thus begins the Hunt. The Protos cannons take the whales out of the sky with their destructive rays, then the human workers cut them up with their wide whale knives.>The whales cry and bleed and their numbers decline rapidly.Annotations :>Middle : A great whale, Proto tablet.>Bottom : Birth of modern Men, miners and human cultivators.
>>71407404>Modern men are gradually learning to become autonomous, to take initiative and to be more creative than their creators. And one day, a Man murders a Proto.>The news, distorted and amplified, is like a forest fire among modern Men. Some rebel and leave their posts. The situation escapes the Protos completely. The Men arm themselves with their tools and kill the Protos who, frightened by the number of humans, use their cannons. Although physically stronger and better equipped, the number and agility of Men puts the Protos and their servants in a difficult situation.>The Protos are trying to use Men against themselves. They even create with their last matrixes creatures dedicated to war to kill Men: the Minions.Annotations :>Left : Proto warrior and human warrior.>Bottom right : Whaling and Proto-War.
>>71407447>Despite fierce resistance, the Protos and their servants are cornered by human armies. The last of them gather where the stellar giants perished. It is on the black sandbanks that Modern Men surround the Protos, who are massacred without the slightest resistance.>This is when the last great whales cry for the last time and retreat into the dark ocean that saw their birth.Annotations :>Middle : Proton, minion and human, Proto tablet.>Bottom : End of the Proto-war.
>>71407475That's it for now, I'll be back in a few hours for the next Era if the thread is still alive.
>>71407489Thanks, man.Hoping to see the rest of this.
>>71372898Anon, there are penises on this picture. PENISES
>>71373263>If its a PC race its obviously playable with minimum drawbacks via hatred by other races. I dislike needless racism and DMs trying to emulate grimdark English peasants from 13th century in what is a completely different world with a far more fantastical nature. Fantasy racism isn't fun or interesting, its just an excuse to indulge in nasty behavior.Jesus Christ, cease your fagottry and begone of our hobbyAside for light hearted humor and some orc here and there, all the non human races in my campaigns are rare, monsters or part of different civilizations.This madness of full 8 parties with 3 elementals, 2 demons, 1 robot, a dwarf and an homosexual needs to end.
>>71372884I don't have a problem with fantasy races.I don't even have a problem with "multicultural" places provided that there is an in-lore justification.For example in baldurs gate 2 the state city of Athkatla in Amn also called "the city of coin" was a multicultural place were ton of different races and people traveling with their demi human pets like orcs and niggers.Now I don't want a world were every fucking settlement has a rainbow color of races.It really breaks immersion when you have a demon dude, an angel dude, a water elemental dude and a giant minotaur walking in the country side and being treated like anybody else.LGBTQ faggotry transformed a cool rpg element like "hybrid races" and completely ruined it (like verything they touch).The situation is even worse than the elf and drow pandemia of the past.When elfs and half-elfs become playable races everybody and their mother player an elf or half-elf.When drows become a playable races Dritzz clones runned rampant in every place.Now every session has some elemental or tiefling character.If everybody is special then anybody is, any sane dm would ask for a party of 3-4 humans, 1-2 elf/hafling and at most 1 "special snowflake" race.
>>71372884>"Freakshit" races: yay or nay?Depends on your setting, duh. Anyway, I'm of the opinion that keeping freakshit unplayable is what makes them actually interesting - you can throw in bunch of bizarre philosophies, abilities, political and belief systems, all of which will be lost as soon as players get their hands on them. I'm generalizing, of course, but if there's one thing players are interested in, it'd be how the race "plays" - what's it good at or how does it synergize with whatever classes you have (this is why race and class combinations are, in my opinion, such a total bitch to balance; and no, stat adjustments are not a way of balancing things, if anything, it handcuffs your race into one or more classes), with all this stuff about your Totally Original Elves that are insectoid in nature, secrete gooey, pheromone-like substance, and get off by rubbing their ears, won't matter in the slightest. On the other hand, if everyone is freakshit, then nobody is freakshit, and your setting/world will quickly spiral into magical realm of nothingness, where princess has a purple head, tieflings are wacky paladins, and everyone is basically a human with a rubber mask bolted to their heads, so why the fuck are racial tensions even an issue?
>>71407767>Now every session has some elementalI play Genasi for about 20 years. (never played tiefling thuogh.)
>>71382837>goblins are housebrokenAre you implying they used to piss on people’s floors
Could a Man After Man setting work?
>>71407475>CHAPTER 5>The Modern Era>Unable to physically feel Utlh and control it, modern Man is the only master of Uhia. The cities and the Proto-science are gradually disappearing from the memory of Man. During the wars that follow the disappearance of the Proto, the other creations of the Giants retreat and vanish into nature, or are slowly eradicated by human expansion.>Surviving the famines and the terrors of the night, Men found their first city-states, pray to their first protective gods, forge their legendary heroes and founding myths... The time of monsters is slowly forgotten, replaced by that of countries, kingdoms and cities.
>>71409858>CHAPTER 6>The Ante>Millennia have passed and modern Man has stepped aside to make way for the less strong and smaller Man of Ante, who lives almost exclusively behind the high walls of his cities. Abandoned countryside becomes a great desert of sand because of pesticides. Overpopulation is destroying Uhia's natural resources. Wild animals are disappearing. New wars, diseases and famines slowly lead mankind to extinction.>A few pockets of civilization remain in this world poisoned by mines, factories and toxic gases. A few groups cling to life and try to escape this hell.
>>71409916>That's when Man discovers Utlh, scientists study it and find out how it can be captured and used to power machines. They explore the incredible creative possibilities of this space music to solve the problem of natural resources. They build the first auto-fab, a large organic machine fueled with Utlh, materializing food and raw material from nothing.>The veins of the auto-fab sink into the ground and propagate to create other devices. Soon, a gigantic organism connected by nerves, ganglia and mechanical veins spreads, building a skin of concrete and metal around it. Man rushes onto these providential machines and sprawling dwellings are built around each auto-fab. This immense semi-conscious organism, a titanic labyrinth of streets stretching almost endlessly, is called the Daedalus. Humanity is crammed into it, every crumb of land is absorbed. A time comes when the Daedalus covers almost all of Uhia, leaving only a few barren deserts in its centre and uninhabited cold beaches on its periphery.>Each housing block is supplied by an auto-fab producing a nourishing paste for all the inhabitants, and raw materials for them to make what they need in large underground factories. Each wall is traversed by the blood vessels of the organism, into which boiling oil flows, thanks to which humanity survives and multiplies.(cont)
>>71410025>In this grey maze of narrow streets, there is an area separated by a secure perimeter. In this area called the Heart, located in the center of the auto-fab organism, live the few descendants of the creators of the machine. Only they still possess some memories of the creation of auto-fab. They live separately in the only green garden of the Daedalus. Their special auto-fabs produce seeds, animals and insects that thrive. Outside the Daedalus, only the deserts are witness to the slow expansion of concrete.Annotations :>Right : First auto-fab>Left : The Heart
>>71373263Horrible DM.>Character interaction and struggle isn’t interesting. Fluid relationships and interspecies dynamics aren’t interesting. You know what makes for a REALLY fun game? Literally just throwing more shit into my kitchen sink setting lolMany of the grognards shitting on you just want to be racist, but they have a point. You are a TERRIBLE GM with the absolute worst and most cancerous philosophy that’s ruined D&D forever. You are the most common cockroach in this entire hobby. More shit does not equal more fun, and characters having to face hardship is not scary or unacceptable. Fuck you.
>>71410062>CHAPTER 7>The Great War>For his survival and comfort, Man has sacrificed the rest of the Earth. However, the Daedalus cannot expand indefinitely. Over the centuries, overpopulation has created tensions between districts, and weapons have been manufactured.>The first auto-fab gets sick, then a second one... The Daedalus' inhabitants panic and attack the neighboring communities. And one day, everything explodes: Quantum bombs, bacteriological typhoons, polyphonic rays and Utlh bombs ravage and kill in a matter of minutes.>From this brief war, Humanity is reduced to a tiny number. In addition, a large part of the auto-fab organism is dying, the walls of the buildings are covered with dried blood. The liberated and uncontrollable Utlh saturates the atmosphere and creates new and strange forms of life. From this absolute hell, a new world emerges.
>>71410107>CHAPTER 8>The Exante>After the war, the Daedalus is an empty concrete shell with rotten veins. The different human factions fight for a well or access to a still functional auto-fab. The majority of humans live in more or less large nomadic bands that haunt the smoking ruins of their former homes.>Very few people venture on their own or in small groups outside the "safe" areas to explore the streets that have returned to the wilderness and where nature has regained the upper hand.
>>71410147>The dangers these adventurers face are numerous: being caught in a conflict between two factions, falling into a pocket of bacteria, a collapse, a trap, being attacked by monsters, radiation, getting lost in the architectural aberrations of the Daedalus, going mad, running out of food or simply disappearing into a hole of Void. All this does not prevent some people from taking the risk by running away from the hard life in the community. These adventurers of the Daedalus serve as mercenaries, guides, merchants or explorers.>A part of mankind finds refuge in the Underworld, the underground territory of Daedalus. Subways and caverns descend to depths never before explored, from which strange creatures sometimes emerge. The monsters created by Utlh share the Daedalus with Man. Very varied, neutral or hostile, some adapted very well to this new environment.Annotations :>Bottom left : Adventurer's symbols>Middle : Daedalus streets>Right : Utlh-born monster
>>71410211>The Daedalus Heart survived. It's become an Eldorado for the people of the Bloc. In fact, the Heart is still inhabited by the descendants of the auto-fabs owners, imprisoned in their own exclusion zone which is gradually starting to become defective.The inhabitants of the periphery of the Heart and their robots are constantly patrolling to avoid any incursion from outside. The inhabitants are very few: a few families equipped with robots, cultivating their own fields, scattered, serving as guards and farmers. In the centre, the privileged castes continue to live sheltered from the horrors of the ruins. This privileged caste, by virtue of living near the central auto-fab, has become a hybrid species of Man, deformed in size and greatly improved in longevity. Having become sterile like almost all the inhabitants of the Heart, they use their auto-fabs to create clones to replace the guardian inhabitants of the periphery when there are too few children.(cont)
>>71410280>People who find themselves alone in the Daedalus expose themselves to the madness caused by the solitude of a place so big, so vast, where death is almost tangible. The more seasoned adventurers who resist the madness learn to "feel" the Daedalus. They develop a sixth sense allowing them not to get lost, while the labyrinth never remains the same at each passage. Streets change appearance, neighbourhoods disappear without a trace and entire communities are never seen again. Older adventurers speak of an invisible, sprawling force that accompanies those who navigate the Daedalus. This force represented by a great black octopus is called the Volgoulth.Annotations :>Left : Daedalus mutants>Right : Soldier of the Kingdom, mutant warrior, protector of the Heart
>>71410324>In the remotest places, there are legends of people or places disappearing. During the War, time was broken. Through these faults, the Ulth flows, faults open and close, strange phenomena occur. Utlh takes an almost visible form and spectres escape from it. These faults appear invisible or in the form of optical aberrations leading to "paths" going from epoch to epoch, from world to world. People who have travelled them talk about white corridors and stars, the presence of a big eye and screaming ghosts. Those who have returned tell that they saw the end of men there, a great fragrant forest, a white desert and a lonely tree drifting in the sky. Rare are those who have seen such a phenomenon and even rarer are those who have returned alive from one of these faults. These people were called Travellers and lived the rest of their lives forever incomplete. A part of them was lost in Time, their eyes became golden and their senses were sharpened when their sight disappeared.>From the corpse of the Daedalus emerge tall black trees. These vegetal monoliths infiltrate everywhere, piercing the concrete of buildings. This last plague destroys the walls and slaughters the last auto-fabs. Those who dare to cut them get a strange skin disease. They are the heralds of Humus and the prophets of the end. When the great black trees die, they leave behind them the Humus that serves as the cradle of the Great Forest.Annotations : >Left : Black trees>Right : Utlh fault
>>71372884In my setting, Humans are considered freakshit while Lizards and Cat/Dog people dominate the land.
>>71410428>CHAPTER 9>The Humus Era>When the large black trees die, the soil is washed of its poisons, the black bark falls to the ground and rots, the Humus gives life to the Great Forest. It covers all of Uhia and the Ocean. With the black trees disappear countless monsters. Roots destroy auto-fabs. Man, weakened by wars and unable to breathe the air of the Humus, gradually declines until the last one ends up dying under the gaze of the forest dwellers. This is when the era of Humus begins.
>>71410486>The earth is covered with trees, insects proliferate, the few inhabitants are born and feed the Humus for generations. Birds hold council and the servants of the Humus watch over the forest. When the Humus absorbs all the water and food from the earth, it turns white and withers until it disappears, leaving behind only a thick layer of white dust and a small egg.Annotations :>Left : Humus servants>Right : The council of birds and mices
>>71410522>CHAPTER 10>The End of Times>White dust as far as the eye can see. A faded sky. No sound anywhere. A single being wanders aimlessly.
>>71408888Isn't that just Gamma World or Mutant Year Zero?
>>71410539>He doesn't know who he was, where he came from, how long he's been around. Is he that child running alone in the forest, watching cats and toads?>In his wanderings, he comes across faults that open and close, a frightening little hut in the tree surrounded by plastic bags.>He sees things like he falls asleep and wakes up.>Ghosts accompany him, he invents companions, his consciousness becomes fragmented, he no longer knows if what he sees really exists.>He talks to himself, he answers himself. All those hours playing, dreaming... He notices that there are fewer and fewer stars in the sky. Always these faults, these ghosts, these moving aberrations.>He remembers the disgust at the sight of maggots feeding on the dead birds he wanted to play with.>He invents things that exist without him. Without him, those things disappear, fall into a rift and go far, far away...
>>71410591Now I'll take a break. Here's a map of the world.
>>71410605And here is a map of a particular region.
Apparently there's a fan bestiary for part of it. https://coinsandscrolls.blogspot.com/2020/01/osr-world-of-rust-unofficial-bestiary.html
>>71410516It's a long story, but a PC genocided the elves in the last campaign and humans simply lost the will to dominate like they had. Out of guilt, they banished themselves to fighting off hordes of undead to the north.Weird shit happened, and a new line of "core" races currently inhabit the setting.
>>71410473So you're playing CoC?
>>71372884>"Freakshit" races: yay or nay? If you include them, should they be regarded as freaks and oddities, excluded from polite society, or be at least partially integrated, with their own cultures and civilizations?Well, I play Cyberpunk 2020, so as far as freakshit goes there's not a whole lot. It's just people with cybernetics and shit. There's a hate group of body purists that'll hunt you down and gang up on you and tear the offending cybernetics from your body, but that's about as far as that goes.
>>71410640>furry world after cringe elf genocide memeWow, you somehow made it even worse.
>>71410663I let my players do things.
>>71410640>>71410685Are those spiral knights and gremlins?
>>71388912Dogs, coyotes, and wolves can breed. Polar bears and grizzly bears can breed. African bees and honeybees can breed. Cattle and bisons can breed. False killer whales and bottle-nose dolphins can breed. Neanderthals, Denisovans and humans bred. What defines "species" is a blurry line and is not only based in interfertility.
>>71375249>+20 intUltimate big brain
>>71372884Is that kind of aesthetics inspired by something? I've seen a few things somewhat like that before.
>>71412081Okay Boring McFagbag
>>71410618Thank you so much for translating! It's a really interesting read. Though the black trees seems like very influenced by nausicca and the poison jungle. Still very interesting. Thanks!
>>71372884I love the freaks. Partial integration. Lots of casual prejudice/racism/tribalism from all sides. It’s more interesting to me that way.
>>71410605This was absolutely amazing OP, thanks so much for dumping it.Is it ever explained how the Goulth are connected to the Daedalus? Bit of a coincidence these creatures of fear and emptiness just vanish, then the force that helps people navigate the Daedalus is called the Volgoulth.>mfw Protos ruin everything for everyone
>>71395389>Soldat du CroissantMy sides
>>71410605Based. Thanks for taking the time to do all of that
compiled in a PDF there with all the jpgs: https://www39.zippyshare.com/v/j58T0K9z/file.html>>71405265merci!>>71411004certainly Moebiusmaybe Bilal, Gabriel Delmas, Ludovic Debeurme
>>71410074>Character interaction and struggle isn’t interesting. Fluid relationships and interspecies dynamics aren’t interesting.Where exactly did I say there wasn't anything like this? I didn't. I said needless racism based on an ahistorical idea of racial hierarchy formed by modern ideas of how people should be categorized was bad. I said that using a grimdark ahistorical idea of what a supposed 13th century peasant thinks, as the baseline for interactions between people in a fantastical world of magic and nonhuman species that they've been interacting with for millenias is shit. You identify exactly what I'm posting against but because you need an opponent you grossly misinterpret and make up an argument I never provided. Bafflingly stupid behavior on your part.I include many races because I like it. I like the challenge of providing a proper world for all of them. Being inspired by early DnD settings and 80s cartoons and movies to make fantastical worlds of disparate beings is fun. I don't need every race to look and act like me to enjoy them, like it seems too many smoothbrains here do. I'm not limited to simplistic options by being a low iq simpleton like Tolkein purists or humanonly fags are.
I'll translate the Bestiary next, probably tonight. That should be quick since there isn't a lot of text.
>>71410640>>71372884God I wish I could draw. I feel that at least from a raw aesthetics standpoint it's a million times easier to make an interesting or unique looking oc race if you can just draw it rather then desperately try to get across your idea with a paragraph of text.
>>71421996Like making new inteligent species is the single biggest draw to me for sci-fi and fantasy. Even just as an excuse to give you new "buttons" to hit gameplawise if not opening interesting story directions. Whenever I consume a media that's fantasy or sci-fi i spend the whole time going "ok but tell me about all these weird assholes you got running around. Give me a fll fucking xenoanthropolgy coarse."
>>71373577>mobot master race
>>71373731Ok here's a small autistic complaint.I don't HATE them, but I find animal people that are literally just a specific type of real animal, but people now, a little bit boring. I much prefer the type of animal people that the specific inspiration, or inspirationS in the really good ones, aren't immediately obvious.Though again, that's another one of those things that's easier to draw than describe.
>>71422400The face of the true patrician
>>71422458Though I must admit there's something about the Giant >Pic related is the ideal party
>>71410618>I : The Cosmic Music>After music created the stars and planets, it made the near-physical entities.
>>71424588>These entities lit the stars and planted the first seeds of life on the planets lost in the vastness of the cosmos.
>>71424606>Before life appeared on Earth, there were great forests on the Moon. Now the ground is constantly covered with snow.
Thanks for being an island of quality in this cesspool.
>>71424662>The Time of Silence>It was when the sap from the tree flowed into the ocean that life appeared. The first microscopic organisms formed large multicoloured coral reefs that allowed life to diversify.
>>71424676>In the primordial mire covering Uhia, beings moved aimlessly and gave birth to mindless creatures.
>>71424687>The Era of Titans>The Titans gave birth to the great fish, then the Giants, before disappearing, consumed by the overwhelming loneliness they felt and which could not be overcome.
>>71424709>Then came the stellar giants to populate the earth, the great whales to explore the sky and the goulths to be forgotten in the depths of the ocean.
>>71424763I'll be back in a few hours.
Very cool stuff!
>>71424620I love how there's just an entire setting on the moon long extinct by the time the 'real' one goes underway
oh ok, being just a list of the entire planets evolutionary history makes more sense then all of these french things being player races.
>>71372884Hot take: If your setting has every member of Group X regard members of Group Y the same way your world building is lazy and shallow (that's not the same as "bad", some stories do not want or need deep world building. See: D&D). Thus, implying that there exists a "should" in regards to how Group X sees Group Y is equally lazy and shallow.If you want to build a living breathing world you must fill it with living breathing people each of whom have their own goals, beliefs, and prejudices.Example: The mayor of town is racist>Shallow World BuildingThe mayor of town is racist against all non-humans because he believes humans are superior.>Deep World BuildingThe mayor of town generally assumes orcs are violent and destructive brutes because for the last ten years in which he has been mayor every year there are violent attacks in and around town perpetrated by orcs. He is distrustful of other races in general because he knows little about them and would rather be safe than sorry.Note how the first is a copy-paste cartoon character that the players can feel good dunking on while the second is a more holistic person who might treat members of the party unfairly but does so for believable and not entirely unsympathetic reasons. He may or may not be wrong but he's not a cardboard cutout to be knocked over.
>>71414219I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the heavy influence of Miyazaki from this world, >>71407447 this page in particular looks right out of Nausicaa.
>>71426942I mean...if we're being real for a second, in the real world and especially in regards to how white European settlers saw the world, most cultures of non-whites were kind of ignored outside of the resources they could take away from them. Doesn't really matter what kind of head-dress a guy is wearing as long as you can pluck jewels off of it and then use the guy who was wearing the head dress as free labor afterwords if he lives cause everyone is just "idiot savages who don't understand the value of something". Asians kinda got a pass cause of trade routes but they were still looked at as lesser entities or freaky and mysterious due to marketting.And even if you look at racism in regards to other cultures that looked at each other like the various asias or the mesoamericas and africans, they also regarded everyone that wasn't just the people within their region as the same kind of annoying or detestable unless they could get trade deals going, and even then they were still wary and distant and warred with each other over minor bullshit.The reason racism based world building is shallow in fiction is cause it was shallow in real life. Calling different colors different names and different streotypes doesn't change the fact you just hate people of a different color universally most of the time. Deep world building racism doesn't come into real strength until religions and cultural aspects that can't be overlooked or ignored occur. Spain looks at meso and native americans as savages not just cause they're brown and had weird resource management but also cause they didn't worship the same God so they were CLEARLY not worth the time to learn about. The blood letting and murder based rituals were just icing on the cake of excuse.
This book is an absolute goldmine. I love every one of these creatures.>you are a man of integrity just like me
>>71427188I don't think you give real world people enough credit. Just look at how pretty much every pre-modern culture strongly valued some form of hospitality. The idea that aiding strangers by providing them with food and shelter is virtuous is a very very old one and just as widespread. Strangers almost by definition are people who don't look like you or often sound like you. They are unknown quantities, but you are still morally compelled to aid them because travel in pre-modern times was a hazardous and uncertain enough thing without everyone being dicks to anyone who walked by. Given how many folk tales there are about even blatantly supernatural beings like spirits or gods accepting the gift of hospitality from humans and rewarding them for it I would assume that many people even in those times would give aid and shelter to absolutely ANYTHING, no matter how inhuman, that didn't look immediately dangerous.Where people did harbor hatreds and fears of the other it was usually for very (to them) solid reasons, such as remembering a war, extensive contact, envy, or suspicions of causing otherwise inexplicable events. It's politics as usual. You'd recognize it instantly from today except they didn't have education or information technology.If you actually go and look back at how early settlers in the Americas felt about native populations it was generally not just "ew brown people". It was the violence, lack of familiar and constant power structures, and a genuine desire to spread a religion they viewed as Good. The Spanish didn't build all those missions because they hated the natives. They built them with the idea to save the souls of the native people.
>>71424763>VII >The Proto EraThe horizontal line is a 2 meters size reference. You can see a Proto on the far left compared to a Modern Human on the right and the size of their respective seeds (human seed on the left, Proto seed on the right)
>>71427926All of these creatures here are really ancients since they have been created by the giants.
>>71427968Oops, forgot the pic
>>71427991>VIII>The Modern Era>After the disappearance of the Giants' creations, Man was the master of Uhia. Great beasts were hunted down, forests were cleared, insects were poisoned, rivers were filled with heavy metals...
>>71428025>IX>The Ante>The role of the special agents is to protect the machine and serve as the link between the inhabitants and the auto-fab network.>Sometimes machines dream, and sometimes, machines give birth to strange non-programmed creatures that are then treated as errors.
>>71409858Anon I just want to thank you, this is an incredible effort. May you be forever blessed with giant tits on your face.
>>71428061>Homme mur>'Wall man'>flashbacks to All Tomorrows intensify
>>71410605Amazing OP, simply amazing, this place needs more people like you, thank you so much for tl this, sadly I cannot read french very well but I'm utterly intrigued by this world.
>>71428397Thanks, I'm not OP though, just a random frog passing by. I discovered this artists with this thread.
I think its probably the only way to include suspense and mystery. Fantasy conventions are too codified and scaled down these days, you always know what to expect. Some weird shit will engage people
>>71428510blesses upon you nonetheless
Bumping with a color version of some of the moon creatures
>>71388000way to prove him right
>>71430615My personal favorite
>>71420315>If its a PC race its obviously playable with minimum drawbacks via hatred by other racesyou did say what he accused you of
>>71427311>Salamandre de Capek10/10 reference.
>>71427448Good post, let me just add to it with some facts.>The Pope outlawed slavery of native americans, since they just didn't know any better. They could be converted to christianity, more accurately.>The pope didn't outlaw slavery of Africans because many of them had already heard of God, but had not yet converted, making them heathens who rejected the Good Word and thus despicable pagans.