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>>71012886
This has potential.

I would add an addendum.
>100% Pure iron is the only surefire magic immune substance.
>Adding any impurities to the iron (including carbon) will lower this property.
>Pure iron is worse than steel for almost any tool or weapon.

Other materials
>Gold is a magic sponge. It holds tight to magic and does not decay
>Carbon is a magic sponge but loses its effects over time
>Silver is a magic mirror
>Bronze can retain magic properties but loses them if it gets physically deformed

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>>71012886
I would also lessen the magic negating effects of iron.
"A few pots" would be a dumb way to negate magic.
However if you make it act like lead shielding to radiation, what you wind up with is that fully covering iron plating is an effective anti-magic suit.

Cheap in materials? Sort of
Cheap in craftsmanship? Not at all.

An iron shield works better to defend against magic, but if you have the dosh lying around you pay an armorer to make you a skin of iron. Just pray that Mr. Wizard isn't a good shot with a crossbow.
Hardened steel bodkin points will punch right through that soft, brittle suit of raw iron.

>>71012886
>embedding small piece of iron into the wizards body severely hinders their ability to handle magic

>>71013296
mage-killer arrows would use barbed iron heads instead of more diamond-shaped steel.

>>71013001
I like this idea but I'd go with pure copper storing magic as well as gold initially, but losing it over time to corrosion and damage. So it's alloyed into bronze for strength and corrosion resistance at the cost of some efficiency with magic storing.

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>>71013296
>>71013327
Technomancers use grenada firepots with small bits of pure iron shrapnel

not letal, but painful and magic inhibiting.

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>>71013342
>pure copper storing magic as well as gold initially, but losing it over time to corrosion and damage.
I would give copper magic warping properties.

Basically how magnetism gets all fucky with copper, turning it to heat energy.

Have pure copper warp and mutate magic effects.

This makes it great for magic experimentation, but highly disruptive to any precise casting.

>>71013402
>>71013342
>>71013001
I would say this
>Bronze absorbs magic but begins to break apart as it does so. You can line steel armor in bronze workings for a disposable shield against magic.

>Copper absorbs magic effects but will over time decay.
>Copper as it absorbs magic heats up giving it a pleasant warmth or scalding hot depending on the strength of the enchantment.

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>>71012886
So, what you're saying is that I need to invest in an iron collar, and then I can have my very own pet megumin?

Also...
Would mixing iron into a mage's food have any effect?
Are mages naturally anemic?

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>>71013505
>Are mages naturally anemic?
This explains their physical weakness so well its bonkers

>>71013505
I think the amount of iron you would have to mix into a mages food would be enough to choke him
also stomach acid dissolves iron

>>71013001
You're forgetting a few metals and their astrological correspondences.
Tin is associated with Jupiter, the magus.
Lead with Saturn, the reaper.
Uranus, the mystic, with uranium.
Pluto with Zinic
Neptune with Platinum

Iron, being associated with Mars, makes a lot of sense to be anti-magic.
Tin would be the most magical due to its association with Jupiter.
Zinc and Lead would have special connection with death and the harvest.
Platinum with trade, and uranium with mysticism.
The radiation is why mystics are schizos.

>>71012886
>>71013001
>>71013057
I didn't go with total immunity, but a knight in full armor is highly resistant to all forms of magical attack, which was my explanation for why armor would continue to develop into heavier forms when a fucking wizard could just fireball a cavalry wedge. It's a bit like the bullet proofing old armors used to go through - genuinely could stop a ball shot from a certain distance. Not necessarily at point blank and definitely not a fucking cannon ball though.

Ironically I autism'd this not because of any desire for verisimilitude but because the idea of wizards just incinerating hundreds of screaming horses upset me so I wanted a way for barding to legitimately lend them protection

On the flip side, 'natural' organic or semi-organic materials hold and conduct magic extremely well. This includes wood, bone, amber, and crystal. Mages will often have bits of armor or at least bracers made of bone so as to lend them some sort of protection without inhibiting magical ability.

>>71013505
No, but the natural iron content in humans bodies does limit their capacity for magic. Anemics are ironically better mages. This is were the stereotype for physical weakness >>71013582
Elves actually have blue blood because theirs contains copper, not iron. Dwarves meanwhile have a comparative surplus of iron in their blood. Dwarven organs act as an extremely efficient filtration system, so they absorb and hold iron better and do not suffer as much from hemochromatosis like humans would. As a result dwarven blood is a deeper, darker red.

>>71013604
Radiation is like a magic steroid.
Exposing oneself to high doses of radiation can elevate their power to monstrous levels.

But the cost...

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>>71013001
Though, copper, associated with Venus would logically work very well magic.
Particularly feminine magic relating to empathy and intuition.

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>>71013623
>Mages wear armor of copper and silver

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>>71013628
If you don't want to take the risk of relying upon radiation, you could fall back on quicksilver.
Associated with Hermes the Thrice Great, mercury has a well-established connection with magic.

>>71013657
>>71013635
>>71013623
>>71013604
Borrowing from this I would put in that Aluminum and Titanium are completely "clear" in terms of magic resilience.

Magic passes right through these two metals as if it was not even there.

So a battlemage that wants some actual armor that isn't gonna fuck up his ability to cast magic is gonna have to commission some titanium from the smeltery, at least 30lbs of it.

It would be strong as all hell, lightweight (to offset the anemic body) but it would be super expensive. You could cast right through an armored gauntlet though no problem.

>>71013676
>Mages drink mercury to become more powerful
Still gonna poison you, just in a less horrific manner than radiation.

>>71012886
great idea. i actually wrote an AWFUL short story about this when I was 13, which has thankfully been lost to the mists of time. Imagine the fun with magnets and iron filings

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>>71013703
But still resulting in schizophrenia

>>71013657
Copper, Silver, and Gold will conduct and therefore not interfere with magic

Wood, Bone, and Crystal will store magic and thus are used for implements - this is also why magical rings tend to be copper, silver, and gold in the band with some sort of gemstone in the center peice.

Bronze, Iron, and Steel are all varying degree's of magic resistance

>>71013703
>>71013711
I'm actually OK with this, it ties right into classical alchemy in both the eastern and western tradition. People taking mercury for longevity (ironically) was very common.

>>71013690
Aluminum and Titanium are fairly modern materials, I don't think they could even produce them with Renaissance level technology. Ironically they probably could if they used MAGIC to supplement their technology.

>>71013729
IIRC aluminium was known to the ancients, but it was fairly expensive and not commonly used.
Not sure about titanium

>>71013719
>iron armor
>plated with silver
>plated again with gold
Reflective armor.

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>>71013719
>A mage enchants himself with force absorbing magic
>A street brawler gets a ring of raw iron and fistfucks his teeth in.

>>71013776
Iron is comparably heavy, soft, and brittle to steel.

If you are already silver plating your armor to reflect magic why not just go for steel armor that's been silvered?

Cold Worked IE Meteoric Iron is the only iron pure enough to be completely magic immune, earthbound iron is still extremely resistant though

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>>71013793
>>71013806
>some madman invents gunpowder
>soft iron musketballs rip through all magical protections

>>71013806
because carbon dilutes the iron content
diamonds, pure carbon, are associated with the sun an intensely magical planet
carbon is also an element strongly associated with the magic of life (wood, bone, crystal)
So by mixing carbon with iron to make steel, you're reducing the armor's resistance to magic in order to maximize its resistance to the mundane.

>>71013808
If I recall correctly, meteoric iron naturally has a high nickel content compared with terrestrial iron ore.
And nickel is associated with Mars, and is ferromagnetic like iron.
So it checks out.

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this also gives you an actual verisimilitude excuse to have FIGHTY NATION and MAGICKY NATION, as a region with high iron deposits is simply not going to be as magically developed as one without because, at least in the local area, magick is much less effective as a weapon and a tool. So it makes sense that a country with an abundance of iron, bronze, and other materials would rely more heavily and have a greater cultural focus on arms and martial skill.

>>71013872
i'm assuming he meant having a layer of silver, steel, gold, and iron
eventually you would be legally considered an ogre and become immortal or something if you get enough layers of shit in there

>>71013930
Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin
Both of which are magical elements (venus and jupiter respectively)
So you'd expect MAGICKY NATION to use bronze weapons in contrast to the iron of the FIGHTY NATION

>>71013825
As much as I love that idea, iron bullets would fuck up a gun barrel.
You would get a few shots out of each one then the barrel scarring would either kill your accuracy or cause a misfire.

>>71013967
That's for guns that aren't made specifically with iron bullets in mind

>>71013946
gold->silver->iron->steel
bulk of the armor is steel to make it viable against weapons
the gold/silver/raw iron trio is coated on the outside to make a magical mirror; if you skipped the raw iron layer, some of the magic would seep through owing to the carbon content of the steel

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>>71013966
>Iron is the material for pigheaded brutes that swing around weighted cudgels
>Bronze is the metal of the civilized nations for a more sophisticated era.

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>>71013967
lead still works as anti-mage
Saturn doesn't fuck around

>>71012886
Man, wouldn't it suck if magical beings could fly?

>>71013994
Thats some complex composite plating you are listing.
The blacksmith is gonna hate your guts but love your money

>>71013296
>an iron-orichalcum alloy slug is embedded into every citizen's body at birth to allow the PTB to regulate their ability to use magic
>free mages have to have the slug surgically dug out of them
>the risk of infection scares a lot of prospectives off of it

>>71014020
Hey, do you want armor that is 100% reflective to magic or are you happy with (n<100)%?
Depending on what sort of mage you're going up against, you may be able to skip that raw iron layer.
But if you go up against a strong enough mage, you'll regret not springing for that extra 5 points.

>>71014014
>Arrows

>>71014010
>>71013967
Lead should deflect magic.

IE
you throw an iron ball at a mage with a force field and the ball goes right through or is barely slowed

You throw a lead ball at a mage and it bounces off their force field

>>71014022
Did you know that Nergal, ancient mesopotamium god of industry, war, and disease, corresponds with the Roman Mars?

>>71014050
Yes! Arrows! Of course.
We all know that arrows make it to the clouds thanks to that stirring success in Babylon.
Nimrod was a genius who saved us all.

>>71014050
Fair enough
Jupiter (Tin) did beat Saturn (Lead) who had swallowed all his siblings.

>>71013930
>>71013966
>>71014004
it also explains why the magic nations don't just conquer all their neighbors. The iron deposits fucks up their magic. Stalemate.

>>71014010
>>71013967
>>71013985
Lead should ABSORB magic rather than deflect it or resist it, with the caveat it starts to break down and degrade. It's popular lining for hats to protect people from enchantment.\

Iron resists
Lead absorbs
??? what material reflects magic?

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>Human Wizards equally proud of there race and fearful of being made obsolete.
>Fae and other magic races eternally seething. Humans are breaking the rules and refusing to stay in there place at the bottom of the pecking order
>As the new empires rise political intrigue reaches new heights as factions and lines are drawn
Neat

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>>71013505
>>71013623
>It's another "/tg/ doesn't know the difference between a pure element and a compound" episode.
The chemist in me REEEEEEEEs eternally.

>>71014091
>what material reflects magic?
We established earlier that it would be silver

>>71014108
Then enlighten us rather than just say "lol u dum dum"

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Op here it feels good to know that others like the idea.

>>71014091
>??? what material reflects magic?
Silver
It's associated with the moon, whose light is a reflection of the sun.
Gold is the element which naturally emits magic
Silver reflects it.

>>71014118
>>71014091
Silver is a metal that will reflect magic
Obsidian is a mineral that reflects magic

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>>71014142
Its a fun idea OP
Even from a gay ass cocksucker like yourself

You gonna put this in your next campaign?

>>71014156
checks out
obsidian is frequently used to ward against harmful magic

mothers tell their children to eat healthy so their blood is full of iron
otherwise the MAGES WILL GETCHA

if iron repels magic
are vampires magic proof if they feed enough?

>>71014136
Basically if you have an element in a compound, it'll have completely different physical and chemical properties. For example water behaves nothing like hydrogen or oxygen, despite being made of them. This is true to the point that until the 1600s we weren't even aware how the whole thing functioned, and thought that any type of matter could be transformed into any other type (hence the many many people trying to turn lead into gold). So there is absolutely no reason for the iron in your blood to be antimagic no matter what assumptions we start off with. If we go by a pseudoscientific explanation, then (seeing as how the magic in our blood is in a compound), we must conclude that the magical properties of compounds must also be different from the elements that compose them (since literally every other property is different too). But if we go with a pseudo-mythical explanation, which stems from what people in medieval (or ancient or whatever) time believed, then there is actually no iron in your blood, to begin with, hence no antimagic.
Happy?

>>71014260
See >>71014108
and >>71014331

>>71014172
Maybe. I like the idea of it being the end of the "dark age" where humans were generally the fodder of the setting unable to really expand beyond isolationist settlements. So you might have some regions completely devoted to there maybe magical kings and patrons encountering the new gunne toating kids on the block.

Plus monster hunters for hire.

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>>71014331
Water is exactly like hydrogen AND oxygen.
Hydrogen is the first element, the source.
Oxygen is what people need in order to respite.
Water is the source from which life sprang (H), and is necessary for the continuation of life (O).
CHECKMATE MATERIALIST

>>71014331
whatever nerd

>>71014331
nigga it's magic what the fuck does it care about your fancy shamcy science

>>71014331
Bloodletting is a frequent aspect of magical rituals.
This is largely chalked up to the correspondence factor of blood being associated with life energy, which would key in more with the oxygen contained in one's blood than the irion.
However, by removing iron from the body, one would make themselves more receptive to magic entering their body.
Don't talk shit about alchemy if you don't understand it nerd.

>>71012886
Mages are executed by being boiled alive in an iron pot

>>71014431
I hope you're sealing that pot shut and then burying it in the dirt when you're done.
Otherwise, when you lift the top, all the magic hate is gonna pour out all over the place.

>>71012886
Just because magic can't be used directly on you doesn't save you from a boulder hurled at you, the earth opening under your feet, the air around you getting sucked away or compressing to crush you. You get the idea.

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>>71014374
>>71014389
>>71014418
>>71014422
I've satisfied my autism, it's up to you what you'll make of it.

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>>71014473
Actually, according to the magical principle of mentalism... it does.

>>71014444
The base for potions are made by boiling a mage alive. That's why they're so expensive. Also the stronger the mage, the higher the potency.

>>71014501
>Principle of Gender
Wait, so the LGBTBBQ just want ULTIMATE POWER by making up entirely new magic? I knew something was up with those fuckers!

>>71014520
That... really seems like asking for a bad time.
It could work for a poison, but the distilled rage and fear would prevent it from being used for healing.

>>71014549
Only the greatest alchemists can make a safe potion, the rest either creates unsafe ones or are fraud.

>>71014431
Maybe in FIGHTY nation that just hates mages.

But I think you can get away with just a good headsmans ax

>>71014537
The principle of gender refers to the process by which one enGENDERs the next GENERation. When someone gets surgery as part of the mtf/ftm bit, they're castrating themselves, making it so that they're no longer masculine nor feminine. They're neutered and cannot bring in a new generation.
They aren't making up new magic, they're just delusional about the consequences of their actions.

>>71014582
But how would you get potions out of them? Recolting their blood? How unsanitary and barbaric!

>>71014473
the iron just blocks the magic effect and leaves you unharmed
magical air?
iron just sucks other air back in
boulder coming at you?
iron negates the force and leaves you untouched
ground moves out from under you?
iron moves that shit right back

>>71014501
>Everything affects everything
>Someone wearing iron can not be affected by magic in any way, no matter how indirectly
>The moment someone first wears iron all magic everywhere retroactively ceases to exist

>>71014587
You say that, but when the magic Apache helicopters show up, it'll be too late.

>>71014610
Which explains a lot about our current state of affairs.
I'm glad you're on the same page.

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>>71014653
Also, the contemporary proliferation of copper wiring accompanying a resurgence in popular occultism also explains a lot.

>>71014609
That sounds less like material properties and more like a god that's watching out for ironclad people.

>>71014721
that's just normal anti-magic stuff

>>71014721
You mean... Mars, the celestial god of war who is associated with iron?

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>>71012886
>>71013505

Imagine giving her an iron wedding ring

>>71014473
Well yeah, but it evens the playing field.

Conjured effects and creations are out so the wizard cant just shapeshift you with a glance or strike you with lightning, so they have to get creative.

A low tier mage that makes sparks gets beaten by a granny with an iron frying pan
A high tier mage able to manipulate the weather or the terrain is no longer nigh unstoppable, and can be dealt with by specialised soldiers or mercenaries.

>THE REASON WHY THE "GOD'S" CAN'T SHAPE THE LANDSCAPE TO MUCH IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE IRON IN THE GROUND

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>>71014755
Yes
I'd give her a bronze ring with a large ruby embedded in it, in order to augment her explosion magic.
Then I'd explode inside her, to bring in a new generation of mages.

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>>71012886
>>71013001
What about humanity having a mild resistance to magic due to having iron in our bodies? Then again, we apparently only have about four grams of iron in total, so I don't think it's substantial enough to make a difference.

>>71014826
THE IRON IN OUR BODIES IS WHY HUMANS ARE INHERENTLY NOT AS ADEPT AT MAGIC AS OTHER RACES

ELVES AND FAE HAVE NO IRON
HALF BREEDS HAVE LESS IRON IN THEM

THEY USED TO MAKE FUN OF US FOR BEING MAGICLETS NOW WHOS LAUGHING YOU POINTY EARED FUCKS

>>71014826
It's big enough that anemia (lack of iron) predisposes a person towards magic

>Some Korean maiden witch summons a Pulgasari
>All of the iron is eaten
>Even the farming tools
>Realizing that Pulgasari is not a benevolent savior but ultimately a threat to the people the Korean maiden sacrifices herself to destroy Pulgasari
>The primitive art of magic is replaced by the immortal science of Juche

>>71012886
lmao retarde iron is made with cum and so now the matriarchy has all the boys hooked up to milkers!!!!!

>>71014853
>Magical beings have blue blood due to having no iron content, similar to horseshoe crabs
>Half breeds have purplish blood

>>71012886
If iron robs even gods of their power then how did iron come to be in the first place?

There is something truly sinister behind this substance.

>>71014331
fine then, the iron is stored in dwarves bones and that's why they're magic resistant

>>71014422
I also like this idea. Blood Letting making people more magically receptive.

>>71014893
>In the more extreme of the GLORIOUS IRON LANDS, people will test for halfbreeds with iron pin pricks on fingers

>>71012886
>Man-at-arms in full harness readies his longsword with a sneer
>I cast a sculpting spell on the ground beneath his feet: waves of undulating earth surround and bury him, suffocating the arrogant fighting-man in his expensive steel suit.
Truly, they almost had us that time.

>>71014520
>>71014549
>>71014576
What about selling mage bath water instead for weaker potion

instant industry for elven e-thots

>>71014901
TRUE CITIZENS OF THE GLORIOUS IRON LANDS KNOW THAT THOSE GODS ARE FALSE IDOLS, SITTING UPON A THRONE OF LIES AND HUMAN SUFFERING. WE KNOW NOT WHO CREATED THE WORLD, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY TO STRIKR BACK.

>>71014929
>It was a distraction, a swarm of iron tipped arrows is released upon the unsuspecting wizard.

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>>71014901
>LOOK NOT BEHIND THE CURTAIN OF THE FIRMAMENT MORTAL
Mars is a lie; a fabrication worn (WAR)n by the black pharaoh Nylarthotep
Iron is the creation of the great old ones who dwell in the far spaces beyond reality
They gave it as a gift to mankind so that we could slay the gods, removing their competition for supremacy in this place
Will they reward us when all is said and done, or will we be disposed of in turn?
https://youtu.be/dPwTiwLNJXQ

>>71014929
>he thinks he can perform Geomancy on the fly, without a care for the mineral and metal content of the surrounding earth

There's a reason Geomancy requires careful study, preperation, and ritual. It's more land surveyance than anything else

RE: Hurling a boulder at someone in plate -

When the boulder makes contact with the anti magical field, the propelling force vanishes. At that point the boulder is carried by Inertia. Obviously this is still a big issue, since half a second of deaccel isn't going to slow down a boulder the size of a minivan moving at 50mph. But it is something.

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>>71014799
A disturbing amount of thought went into this...

>>71014929
>>71014609

>>71014609
>magical air?
>iron just sucks other air back in
what do you mean by this?

>boulder coming at you?
>iron negates the force and leaves you untouched
Nope, boulder is carried by inertia, regular boulder gonna crush iron man.
Unless its a magically summoned rock, in which case it would dissipate but probably still knock armored knight on his ass.

>ground moves out from under you?
>iron moves that shit right back
The mage would be able to manipulate the ground anywhere except for where ironclad man was standing.

>>71012886
Great thread, great idea, consider it stolen.

>>71014929
Entirely possible anon.

This thread is not trying to do a HURR MARTIAL SUPREMACY HURR
We're playing with an idea that would make the fighter/mage balance a bit more mutable and fun.

>>71015071
>what do you mean by this?
Air within the sphere of the iron-clad warrior remains unaffected.
>Nope, boulder is carried by inertia, regular boulder gonna crush iron man.
Just as iron weighs more than feathers, iron is stronger than rocks
>The mage would be able to manipulate the ground anywhere except for where ironclad man was standing.
Fair enough

>>71015071
>what do you mean by this?
it brings the air back
>carried by inertia
the assumption was that it was carried by a magical force
>anywhere except for where ironclad man was standing
until it starts to try and affect him, at which point it becomes immune to magical change

i worded the first post poorly, what I'm trying to say is that iron makes the wearer immune to magic directly and indirectly

>Transmutation is seen as the fae's ultimate goal
>Once they have discovered it, they will be able to convert all of the harmful iron in the land to gold
>Basically an apocalypse for mankind, but utopia for the faefolk

>>71013623

>Elves actually have blue blood because theirs contains copper, not iron.

Copper turns green when it oxidizes, not blue you fucking retard

>>71015123
how would they transmutate iron when iron is immune to magic

>Mages use animated strands of gold to stab through gaps in iron armor

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Good thread.

>>71015123
>Fae
>Having goals humans can understand

>>71015136
I would say their goal is to find a way to convert it without having to use magical means, just good old alchemy.

>>71014940
Potency would be so low, probably how most scams are made.

Perhaps a new kind of scam involving those who do not approve of the purging of mages.

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>>71013296
>>71013351
>>71013505
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>>71014997
Good thread

>>71015136
nuclear fission

>>71012886
>Iron completely disrupts magic and magical beings. A knight in armour or a peasant with a few pots and pans strapped on is functionally immune to all magic
If your setting doesn't have the mechanics to allow for magic knights to exist, count me out.

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Do you stand with
>THE GLORIOUS IRON MOTHERLAND
or
>THE BITCH ASS WIZARDS
/tg/?

>>71013967
Iron birdshot in a shotgun/blunderbuss. You'd still have barrel durability issues, but not as many.

>>71015133
horseshoe crabs say otherwise

Guys, after talking with other mothers in the village, we conclude that the doctors use leeches on their patients to steal the iron in their blood and turning them into bloody mages! I won't risk my children to suffer magism!

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>>71015191
Can I still have a megubride in the Iron Motherland?

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>>71015212
... maybe the moms are right about vaccines too

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>>71015212
>doctors use leeches on their patients to steal the iron in their blood and turning them into bloody mages! I won't risk my children to suffer magism!

>>71015191
SIR I'M INSULTED THAT YOU EVEN DARE QUESTION MY LOYALTTY TO THE GLORIOUS IRON MOTHERLAN! I'M ALSO ASHAMED THAT I MADE YOU DOUBT MYSELF! SHALL I KILL A MAGE IN REPENTANCE?

>>71015219
DEPENDS WHERE IN THE LANDS. In places where mages used to rule violently probably going to be hated but in places where the main threats were fae and monsters your waifus just gonna be treated with suspicion at most.

>>71014826
Humans are far more carbon than iron.
If steel doesn't resist magic due to carbon impurities then the human body isn't gonna have any special resilience chief.

>>71015212
this actually not a bad idea. Mages could use leeches on themselves to filter their blood and improve their magical efficacy? Obviously this lowers their con. Again, squishy mages.

>>71015250
>>71014826
Humans aren't resistant they just don't cast as good as Elves without fuckery.

Dwarves have some resistance due to higher iron content in their bones and organs

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>>71015249
Yeah... her whole bit is recklessly creating giant explosions.
I guess I'll have to go with the bitch ass wizards.

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>>71015191
Honestly? I like the greek/roman bronze and stone aesthetic too much.

Sorry Iron anon. I'm going with the MAGIC civilization over the FIGHTY civilization. Enjoy your constant smelling of iron, leather and horse sweat.

I'm gonna study metaphysics in an atrium while wearing a toga fastened with a bronze, probably enchanted brooch

Don't come near me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your ass and summon a demon to fuck your wife.

>>71015263
you know she's like 12 right
she;s gonna grow curves eventually

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>>71015191
Is polygamy going to be legal in the IRON MOTHERLAND?
It seems being a burly ironclad warrior dude is gonna have a high rate of mortality and we will need a way to avoid the resultant plague of lonely cat ladies.

If polygamy is legal for iron warriors then sign me up for a high protein diet and a grueling physical training regimen.

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>>71015273
She's 14 which is prime
And, yeah, that's a good thing.
It's the difference between getting a flower from the store that's already at peak bloom and getting a flower that's still budding. One you get to watch open up into the full expression of its beauty, the other is a hag that only goes downhill.
While the pedos go after bare stems.

>>71014100
Humans live in a world full of objectively stronger magical races, but don't have a drop of magic themselves. They're the only ones who can exploit iron without it fucking with their physiology.

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>>71015287
>>71015270
>>71015191
>Battlemages that look like Greek Hoplights VS ironclad Knights on horseback

>>71015287
GLORIOUS IRON MOTHERLAND IS AN EVER EXPANDING GROUP OF VILLAGES AND NATIONS WORKING TOGETHER TO TAKE BACK THE WORLD FROM FILTHY MAGICKS.
THE CULTURAL EXTREMES AND ECCENTRICITIES WILL VARRY BUT IM SURE THERE'D BE PLENTY OF MEMBER NATIONS THAT WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN FUCKING OVER FALSE GODS THAN WHO YOU LAY WITH.

>>71015294
you're still a pedo

>>71015315
greek hoplites are cooler ngl

>>71015111
>what I'm trying to say is that iron makes the wearer immune to magic directly and indirectly
So if the mage curses his crops to starve his family then manna will rain down from the heavens or something?

>>71012886
Yeah, great in theory, if your fighting the dumbest of magic users. All they have to do to bypass this is target your environment. Can’t fireball or lightning bolt your victim? Just turn the ground to lava and let mundane damage do the rest.

>>71015345
>Holy grounds covered in iron filings

>>71015328
Excellent. I'll set myself up with a 2-3 wives at a barley farm.

I'll go train every day at the barracks then come home to impregnate my farm waifus.
Eventually I'll have a big brood to keep the farm going for me and probably a few good sturdy lads to replace me when I inevitably get boiled to death by some filthy magic user.

>>71015345
Its gonna be a constant back and forth with MAGIC nation and FIGHTY nation trying to outmaneuver each other using their differing strengths and abilities.

I like this.

>>71015345
Have materials that absorb magic in the area. You try to turn the ground into lava and the Idol absorbs the mana that would be changing the ground.

>>71015315
>>71015338
their spears are also magic staves

Pilum are like magical grenades charged with spells

>>71015342
that's a bit too much for one iron suit of iron to prevent
if enough of the people connected to that farm (ie: farmers, helpers, etc.) regularly then yes

>>71015345
>implying a human mage is capable of such spellcasting on the fly
>implying the top tier of human mages arent going to be fighting against specially trained soldiers with ranged weapons and parkour skills.

>>71015345
Theres a limit to how deep sorcers can effect the terrain

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>>71015356
>FIGHTY nation can zerg rush mages due to high birth rate and lots of farmstrong men at arms.
>MAGE nation has perilously low birth rate due to access to magic birth control
>Female mages are known to summon demons for a good pounding and male mages mostly make flesh golems.

>>71015395
your magical realm aside, would a constant social fixation on anemia and bloodletting introduce birthing complications? I imagine it would. They would probably be corrected via magic, but it could explain lower conception

>The greatest fear of the iron motherlands at this stage is running out of iron deposits.
>Thus adding more pressure to the constant expansion and exploration
This shit writes itself

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>>71015395
I think you have it backwards
FIGHTY nation struggles with infant mortality and losing mothers in childbirth
MAGE nation has access to fertility rituals and protective charms

>>71015386
>>71015378
FIGHTY nation should have access to guns, portable siege weaponry and good medical knowledge. (poisons, poultices, etc)

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>>71015294
Kys

>>71015430
Medical knowledge is alchemy, which is magic

>>71015420
Mages gotta study, and its been shown historically that when humans have access to birth control they use it constantly.
Raising kids gets in the way of studying MAGIC.
Mages would probably accidentally lower their own population growth.

Also FIGHTY nation could have really good midwives and alchemist/doctors

>>71015446
Bending/violating reality is magic.
MAGIC nation gets to throw around lightning bolts summon demons and manipulate the very earth with their will.

Understanding the physical world is mundane and thus the property of the FIGHTY nation

>>71015430
fighty nation/GLORIOUS IRON MOTHERLANDS seeks constant ways of fucking over magical shit. Ranged warfare with materials that your typical mage isnt gonna see coming is an obvious advantage

>>71015458
Seems like an issue of r selection versus k selection
Fighty nation favors r selection, producing a large number of children many of whom will die early
Mage nation would favor k slection producing fewer children, but they have lower mortality rates and more resource investment.

How would the Iron Motherland protect itself against spies? There could be a mage among us! It could be you! Or you! It could even be me!

>>71015446
The mages are predominantly used to doing shit the easy way and healing with a wave of there fingers. Lower down the ladder is where you'll get mages that can get by solely on magic who use the same shit that the peasants use (medicine and tactics).

>>71015497
nonsensical puritanism
spies can't keep up with changing taboos if the common people can't either!

>>71015483
Also you gotta realize MAGIC nation is gonna bolster their military might with golems, summons, etc.
FIGHTY nation is gonna need dedicated monster slayers

>>71015497
I suspect you of being a mage.
LET US STRIP DOWN AND WRESTLE IN BACON GREASE!
THE WEAKER ONE IS A MAGE SPY!

>>71015497
>>71015516
Everyone has to take iron supplements

this ironically leads to poisoning and insanity, which is blamed on the mages

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>>71015530
dedicated monster slayers who, in accordance with >>71015516 and >>71015472 employ a variety of alchemy that borders heavily on magic

>>71015546
Or we force them to have iron piercings? Most of the time it will infect and we can re-utilize the iron!

>>71014975
>who did you expect at the end of all this?
>god?
>the devil perhaps?
>no, it's just... Me
Dusk is pretty fun

>>71015569
Hopefully we can avoid the sterility problem
We wanna spread those GLORIOUS IRON WARRIOR genes far and wide.

But no fucking female mages.
Unless you intend to bring them back home with you so they can birth strong warrior sons for the Iron nation.

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>>71015576
Praise Nergal~!

>>71013296
Embedding a smaller piece of iron into any living thing typically hinders their ability to do anything

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>>71015591
>But no fucking female mages.
Hey
Where there is a hole
There is a goal
Even if she's a mage
Even if she's a fae

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>>71015569
>>71015530
Some Iron warriors are hulking beef fed meat titans

Some Iron warriors are agile, tactical fighters that employ poisons and deception.

Some exclusively practice the bow, some are horsemen

There is a lot you can do with the idea of "fighter"

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>DragonQuest
>Iron renders mages inert and unable to cast
>Party is entirely mages
>One character pisses off another
>Later on as a fight begins he gets an idea
>Character begins casting a spell
>Other character taps him the broad face of his iron dagger
>In secret
>GM says his spell fails despite him making the roll
>Does this two more times
>Player thinks he's losing his mind
>Other player and GM trying to hold in laughter

It's an old as balls and janky system but there's some neat stuff in there.

>>71015576
actually, piercings and jewelry as a cultural decoration isn't a bad idea.

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>>71015641
Yes, and some fighters's weapons are hyper

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>>71015191

THE MAGES SUMMON DEMONS TO BURN YOUR FARMS, DEVASTATE YOUR CROPS AND RAPE YOUR WIVES AND DAUGHTERS!

THE MAGES USE THEIR CRAFT NOT TO EASE THE LABOR, BUT TO MOCK YOUR WORK AND THE WORK OF YOUR ANCESTORS! THE MONEY THEY MAKE IS TO DESTROY YOUR BUSINESS AND DRIVE YOU TO POVERTY!

WE NEED YOU FOR THE IRON MOTHERLANDS!

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>>71015576
>iron piercings
Why not just iron rings? Or iron bracelets? Or literally any kind of jewelry?

>>71015687
How many spies do you think they mages would send? We need to keep as much iron as possible. We also need to make it hard to remove.

>>71015715
>>71015687
>>71015628
Mage waifus are acceptable so long as they wear an iron collar and manacles at all times.

>>71015715
Yes!
Every woman should wear an iron choker!

>>71015725
Wedding vows could be done with iron collars and manacles? Would fit well with the "Till death do us part"

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FIGHTY nation as bdsm patricians is sounding very appealing

i'd prefer to leave the concepting setting agnostic if possible, not much point in speculating the culture of FIGHT NATION. more interested in the mechanics of magic here'

I mean I'm glad we're all having fun but this idea is not original or novel at all. I'm not saying it has to be, I'm just scratching my head a bit at the sheer amount of, like, positivity? To this basic premise?

>>71015851
Originality isn't nearly as important as execution, and the overall execution of this idea is pretty nice so far.

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>>71015848
I get where you're coming from, but if we accept the given premise there are some natural consequences.
Perhaps not necessarily as flanderized as FIGHTY NATION v MAGEY NATION, but those are essentially the lines drawn. There are parallels to be drawn historically between crude iron wielding barbarians and the more refined bronze civilizations.

>>71015920
A reasonable approach would be neither "no magic allowed" nor "no iron allowed". Both are just tools.

>>71015885
yeah, I mostly take back what I said. I hadn't read all of the thread yet and this is pretty neat.

>>71015851
The idea of a random farm hand with nedkellyesque armour beating the shit out of a wizard nobleman is a prtty fun one anon

How would criminal organizations proceed in this setting?

Would they ally themselves with a faction?

Would they deal with magic items?
Would they breed mages to boil them into potions?

>>71015851
you're right in that it isn't very original, it has it's roots in renaissance "high magic" theory, and at least some of it has carried over to D&D (spell failure).

still, compared to contemporaneous generic medieval fantasy, it's a big change.

>>71015798
She looks like she can squeeze between the bars.

>>71015980
Depends.
If your talking about white collar crime then its probably present in both major factions, and will attract a lot of misfits from varrying backgrounds.

Its probably not going to be a 3rd major power in the setting just shit happening in the back ground with no real goals besides wealth.

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>>71015953
Well, yeah.
That's sorta what's implied even with the flanderized interpretation. Iron and magic are equally baked into the setting, because they play off one another like yin & yang. Or, returning to the initial correspondences from the beginning of the thread, like Venus and Mars (copper and iron). Both of which correspond to the dichotomy between masculine and feminine.
And, keeping with the hermetic principles >>71014501
There's the principle of polarity. Just as there is no hard distinct boundary between hot and cold, each being relative to the other, the distinction between fighty and magey are also relative. Again previously alluded to with the whole alchemy as magic/alchemy as science bit.

>>71016048
Yeah, but those bars are made of iron, so her fae ass is prohibited from squeezing past.

>Ex-Iron land militia training bitch ass wizards how to fight without there magic
>haughty sorceresses getting turned on by a commoner beating the shit out of all there husbands over and over again without a single spell.

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>>71016136
>6 months later
>the autist wizards have used a 5x5 routine to bulk up
>they've incorporated bodybuilding into their meditation routine
>muscle mages

>>71015356
>Not figuring your farm in oats, peas and beans
It's like you don't even want to be a proper iron lad

>>71016252
all you need are squats, oats, and eggs
a dozen raw eggs a day

>>71016265
Gaston ate 4 dozen eggs

>>71016265
Can you feed chicken with oats, peas and beans?

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>>71016307
yes

>>71016279
we can't all be like gaston
but we should try

>>71016307
>What Vegetables Can Chickens Eat? Chopped vegetables are another great add-in for oatmeal for chickens. Beets, carrots, corn, green beans, peas or sweet potato are all great choices. Fresh or dried herbs are another nutritious add-in

>>71016328
Then add a brood of chicken to the farm.
We are all gonna make it

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>>71016349
>We are all gonna make it
bro

>>71016328
>>71016349
>>71016356
Bro

>>71013402
>Copper *blocks your path*

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>>71012886
>magically ignites one blade of grass to cause a perfectly mundane inferno that cooks every dumb human in their cookware

Nothin personnel, roundear.

>>71012886
Who?

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>>71012886
>Dwarves get anti-magic boosts because of all the iron they use

I wonder is it the magnetic properties of iron that causes it to have anti magic effects? If so what would an electromagnetic field do to magic?

>>71012886
>It was at that point however that Gods and Monsters realised they could use their Magic to simply pick up huge fucking rock and throw them at the squishy humans

>Thus was both the cosmic balance of the universe reinstated

>And the game of bowling invented

>>71015263
Are there any other characters like Megumin?

>>71014799
> Using mundane fertility drugs
> Not getting a druid to cast some fertility magic on her to get EIGHT HUNDRED BABIES!

>>71014901
The trickster god cursed iron to behave this way, so that the gods could no longer shape the world. Not even the trickster god knows how to unmade this.

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>>71018869
>Dare you unmake my tricky material?
>Not eve I know how to unmake it!

>>71019056
It is a very trickster thing to do.

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>The high elf takes off her armor to fight you
>it's made of iron

uh oh

Okay but how long until a revolution of sorts ends up finding some way to have armor that's internally conductive but externally insulating, resulting in a new wave of magic fighters?

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>>71013623
>proof at certain distances
Hate to "akshully" you but full plate could stop smallarms shot at point blank. (Pic related; it's Sir Arthur Haselrig)

>>71015133
A 2 second google search would show that you're wrong but you just had to be the "Smart" one.

>>71019131
That could make a good axis of conflict for a setting.

>>71018869
Goddamn it not!Loki

>>71019313
Well, it'd likely just be... Magic focusing on self-buffs and healing rather than external attacks, and using martial prowess supplemented by the buffs. Probably be armor that was gold-plated on the inside or some such (or even silver plated, because maybe casting it out and then reflecting it back is more potent for reasons).

What is a knight in armor going to do when the Elven druids conjure elephants to stomp on them?

What is the knight going to do when the necromancer summons a hoard of undead?

What is the knight going to do when the dwarves build mechanical golems made of iron that are stronger and more durable then their little suits?

>>71012886
Trash

>>71014826
Could explain why wizards are so scrawny, if they need an iron deficiency to be great at magic

>>71015345
There's a surprisingly large amount of iron in random areas of ground

>>71019563
>laugh as the conjured elephants turn back into a pile of twigs when they get hit by a few irin arrowheads
>chuckle as the ranks of undead turn into mere corpses when they try and grab their armor or get hit with a sword or arrow
>wonder why the dwarves thought they could use magic to animate a null-magic substance

in 2nd edition pathfinder full plate allows you to use a higher dex mod than you normally would for your reflex save against aoe spells. I feel like that makes sense. it also helps to balance dex out against other stats for the fighter class.

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>>71018619
Depends on what you mean by "like"
There's Lina from Slayers, who is a mage that casts big spells.
If "like" refers her being a dorky JC, there's Bochi from Hitori Bochi

>>71019900
That's trace amounts. Easily over come resistance for an experienced mage. Otherwise you couldn't target anything with Hemoglobin.

>Throw a boulder
>Summon an earthquake
>Start a fire
>Summon an explosion
>Turn the earth into sludge to immobilize the warrior

There are so many ways to kill a mongoloid warrior besides "magic missile" and yet here you are sperging out since your dumb fighting brains can't think of other ways of fighting besides brute forcing everything.

Or to put it in a way you fighter can understand:
This is you
>YAAAAAAAAAAAAS IRON SO STRONG SLAY THE WIZARD YAAAAAAAS WERE SO SMART

You'll NEVER be as powerful as wizards, keep dreaming retards.

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>>71020216
But since this is an inherently high magic paradigm, what constitutes a "trace amount" isn't going to be set in stone. The amount of iron in a human in already small, but still large enough that an anemia or bloodletting can make someone more receptive to magic. It's less about the hard logic of a thing's proportions and the poetry of an act/substance.

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>>71020283
https://youtu.be/yhy9--YRBD8

>>71019118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKzXbfL7d0

Disney fighting aside I am reminded of this

>>71020335
Anything a warrior can do a mage can do better. The only times a warrior can defeat a mage is when:

>The mage is more like a warrior(retarded)
>The warrior has enchanted/blessed tools, which are made by a wizard
>The warrior can also use magic, in which case he too is a mage
>The warrior is blessed b the gods, who are themselves using magic to do so
>The mages magic is taken away by other magic

>>71020304
I would say less than 5% of the total surface area being made of, or covered by Iron.

>>71020283
>implying those spells exist in the setting

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>>71020417
nerd

>>71012886
>mage makes himself invisible and proceed to turn earth into water and then reverse the spell, drowning knights and peasants in mud

>>71020490
Yeah but I am a LIVE nerd. Because I know when there is too much iron around, and now when to play it tricky like.
Like summoning a Tiger. Not an Abyssal Tiger, or a Celestial Tiger. Just a plane tiger, from the jungles of this world. Why? So it isn't hurt just by standing on iron, and a single poke from an iron spear head doesn't dismiss it just piss it off.

>>71020567
>single poke from an iron spear head doesn't dismiss it
>implying

>>71020514
>earth remains rest from the quantity of iron horseshoes and boots marching atop it
>angry earth elementalrises up to attack the mage for trying to turn him into water

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>>71020599
Right?
He'd be better off capturing a real tiger from the jungle, slapping bronze armor on it, and sending that thing into the enemy lines.
1) it's a fucking tiger
2) the bronze would allow you to use it to indirectly cast spells
3) even better, you can have the muscle mages ride it into battle

>>71020599
Once it's summoned it's here, since it's a normal mortal tiger, the iron spear will just piss it off. You may have broken the Mage's binding on the tiger, binding it's soul to his will, but now you have a pissed off man eating tiger wanting to devour your peasant ass because you pissed it off.

Had it been a celestial tiger, it's body would have been made of magic, and the spear would have pieced though it's body like butter, easily sending it back to the heavens it came from, like all those beasts summoned by the novice mages because they were "stronger"

>>71020637
>target a cube of earth beneath the horseshoes and boots, trap people into resulting pit
>make a deal with local elementals so they move out of area, trade in soldiers as slaves/food

>>71020668
1) It is a real tiger, from the jungle. It's not like I'm making a tiger out of nothing. I'm taking a real tiger, and moving it from it's homeland to me, then binding it's soul to my will.
2) Ohh I like this idea I think I'll start adding Bronze armor to my tigers.

>>71020682
>o-once it's summoned it's here
And once its stabbed it's not

>>71020722
I guess if you were quick enough thinking to stab it a lot before it killed you then sure, it goes from being a tiger to a tiger corpse, and in a way not here but there is still a tiger corpse there. That won't vanish just because you stabbed it with iron. The summoning spell ended the second the tiger appeared. That's when the binding spell took over.

>>71020764
From your logic the wizard would have to cast another spell once the battle was over to send the tiger back. Is that right?

>>71020790
>>71020764
By this I mean we’re talking of a transportation spell, not a summoning Spell

>>71020790
Yes that is called Banishing, Summoning, Binding, and Banishing are all taught together.

>>71020764
just how much raw tin are you planning to burn through?
are you chugging mercury?
are you wearing a bunch uranium amulets?
permanent conjuration isn't cheap or easy

>>71020799
That's still summoning.
I reach out into the web of life, find the creature I am looking for, and pull it to me in an instant (Summoning) then I bind it's will to me (Binding) and when I'm done with it I send it back to where I got it from (Banishing)

Honestly this is pretty obvious stuff.

>>71020809
Interesting, so you’re treating the process of summoning an already existing being as 3 separate spells
Wouldn’t searching for/locating the creature you want to summon be an extra step? m

>>71013690
>>71013729
>>71013758
Mithril is a dull gray, extremely rigid but lightweight metal. In the real world we call it Aluminum.

Mages wear mithril armor.

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>>71020838
to be fair, divination is pretty much the first thing mages learn

>>71020815
If you try to do this fast I suppose you would burn though a lot of reagents. You see I do this in preparation as a ritual lasting just over an hour. A lot less taxing on resources both personal mystical reserves and raw ingredients. Plus since I'm not permenantly summoning a magical creature just summoning a mortal one that also is a savings meaning I don't have to work as hide to bind, and upkeep is as simple as giving them food, shelter, clean fodder, and clean water.

>>71020858
But it’s still another step for summoning a creature (unless you already have it caged somewhere) so the process of summoning is likely to be something pretty complicated and lengthy.

>>71020838
Not really it's inherent to the summoning ritual magic. One of the benefits or ritual magic is using the dreaming world, and web of life to work your magics. Sure it's slower and less flashy but so much more economical.

>>71012886
body have iron in it

>>71020927
Which is why anemic people have an easier time at casting spells

>>71020891
Fair.
Does that mean that teleportation spells are common place for wizards? Since they use the same principles as summoning spells

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>>71021027
It would be
But most wizards are chuuni dorks who autistically hyper-specialize

>>71021203
Also fair.

The Iron Motherland versus The United Magic Minestry

The Iron Knights versus The Bronze Hoplites

War Horse Cavalries versus Summoned Tiger Squads

Who do you align with /tg/?

>>71013001
>>Silver is a magic mirror
>>Bronze can retain magic properties but loses them if it gets physically deformed
This fits a lot with bronze era mythology; polished silver shields were a thing, and the prominent use of spears make sense as it's mostly wood and a tight bronze tip.

>>71021359
United Magic Ministry because I’m a manlet

>>71013402
>Copper is super fuck-your-magic
>it is the shittiest of metals for actual armor
Seems balanced.

>wizard hunter
>ultra specialized
>wears nothing but copper-studded leather armor
>highly mobile to get in range
>armor makes him almost impervious to the magic shenanigans
>a peasant with pitchfork can still ruin his day

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>>71021359
I align with the Magical Guild of Homunculi Crafters

>>71021478
I’d say copper is less the ultimate fuck you and more of a wild magic inducer. So while a mage hunter should have some copper, a full copper armor would have unforeseen, and potentially dangerous consequences

>>71021548
Maybe have copper clad anti-mage suicide bombers? Folk who rush towards mages trying to provoke their spells to warp and backfire?

>chaff grenades become a thing in fantasy as well
Hold me, /tg/. This is a very happy day.

>>71021548
> Cover a mage city in iron powder
> All magical activities stop working and the city stagnates

> Cover mage city in copper powder
> Someone tries lighting a candle with magic and ends up blowing the city up

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>>71019432
So... Paladins? Also interesting how paladins and clerics always use heavy armor bit their magic is also always divine. Does that mean that divine/light magic is THE exception that proves the rule? Given how Light is mostly depicted as healing and cleansing we could theorize how it's abjuratic in nature and why wizards would avoid using it, or else they might lose their stored/inherent magic.

>>71020686
>now a large underground cavern that doesn't form a sinkhole
>earth elemental is doubly pissed that you tried to kill it and now fucked up its home
Should have thought of negotiating before you took to the battlefield. Probably hard to negotiate with every elemental in every place you might fight though

>>71021870
Prime users of Silver that make use of complex geometries to bounce magic to the direction they want while protecting the caster somewhat from outside magic.

>>71020764
I'm sorry that you don't know how summoning spells work, I guess

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Blood and Iron

>>71014861
>>71014893
These are really cool.

>>71021773
Makes sense.
Copper is associated with Venus/Ishtar, who is well known for being a fickle bitch.
That also explains why it's common practice to alloy copper with tin to make bronze. Just a little bit of influence from Jupiter/Marduk is able to keep her in line without sacrificing potency too much.

Someone should save the thread, might be interesting to look at it later

>>71024521
Just check the archives at 4plebs. They save every thread if I’m not mistaken

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>>71013296
> "He saved others, but he can’t save himself! Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe."

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>>71024673
>oh your hands can't free themselves from the iron nails?
>what a shame

>>71023111
So copper works as a magical amplifier, thong it’s effects are wildly unpredictable and Tin works as a magic stabilizer, being used to fine tune magical items
Together they result in Bronze, an alloy that amplifies spellcasting without much interference. This could mean that Bronze clad casters would refrain from using very complicated spells to avoid the interference their armour would cause, but their more simple spells would be very powerful

Tinfoil should completely block mind affecting magics

>>71024724
And top tier casters walk around fully clad in gold

>>71021773
>lung disease rates skyrocket regardless

>>71024752
Gold would be like bronze, but with stronger magical boosting and no magical interference.
Though many high level mage would still use gold-tin alloy staffs and wands, especially during research, due to the high level of precision this material would offer

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>>71024875
At first I thought that gold-tin would just be to save on the cost of going pure gold
But apparently, gold-tin alloys are a real thing, and really useful

>>71013402
>magnetism gets all fucky with copper
holy shit it's real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENgdSF8ppA

>>71024926
I also researched it before posting. It’s usage in microelectronics gave me the idea of precision magic

speaking of alloys
Platinum & gold is supposed to be pretty durable, and both metals have the magical correspondence to be useful to wizards
Electrum (gold & silver) would be another useful alloy for mages, and one which has historical precedence for the bronze age
What about brass? The copper has the well tred magical qualities, but what about the zinc? Zinc has an association with Pluto, and hence the underworld. Brass itself is used for ornamentation and musical instruments... maybe a bonus to sonic magic?

>>71025385
Gold and platinum I envision as metals with pretty similar functions (risk-less magical enhancing), but maybe they could relate to different aspects of magic and thus their alloy would represent the empowerment of all magic

As silver has been established as a magical mirror, maybe a gold-silver alloy would result in weird interactions due to the amplification and reflection of magic. Maybe it results in an unstable bomb alloy, which when imputed with magical power keeps reflecting it and amplifying it internally until it breaks and releases all power

Zinc could be a necromantic Metal, and when mixed with copper it results in undead spawning and communications with the dead. Maybe brass could then be used in necromantic rituals through instruments

>>71012886
If the fourth most common material in the world can destroy magic entirely, how the fuck did magic become widespread in the first place? Why would anyone become a mage if all it takes is a fucking frying pan to render them useless?

>>71015430
why?

>>71015294
>Bare stems
That's babies and toddlers

>>71022544
Blood and Iron

>>71014501
That makes no sense

>>71021522
Do you think the magic guild of homunculi crafters can transmigrate my soul into a cute pseudo-fairy loli?

>>71015628
>You will never have a fairy waifu and embark on a quest to get rid of all the iron in the world
why live

>>71025679
then what would a JS be in the flower analogy?

>>71025722
mentalism makes perfect sense
that's why bostrom revived it as the "simulation" hypothesis

>>71025758
yes, but you're going to be lewded

>>71025560
That makes sense; electrum was historically used for coinage, which you'd want to be magical and to be difficult to fuck around with
Alnico (Aluminum, Nickel & Cobalt) might be another metal useful to martials. It's used to make permanent magnets, and could perhaps be used to charge iron armor with a more robust anti-magic quality.
Nickel has already been established as having anti-magical properities, with its connection to meteoric iron, but what about raw cobalt? Cobalt shares an etymological root with kobold, produces arsenic when smelted, and can be used as a blue pigment.

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MAGE OR MARTIAL?

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>>71026203
Neither and both. Bismuth is the chromatic essence of minerals and magic, bending to whatever purpose it's forged for. Can be transformed for abjuration or enhancing, elemental or raw. It's prismatic and malleable.

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>>71026532
perfect

>>71014587
>>71014501
How does "gender" differ from "polarity"