How would certain fantasy races/creatures adapt to modern warfare?
They would all be destroyed.Now fuck off with your fetish bullshit.
>>68141968Say, wich fantasy species and races are you interested in? Centaur wouls be bad in the Frontlines for the same reason horses would. They would also be too visible and clunky for snipers, so stick to artillery.Minotaurs would be fuckin phoenomenal
>>68141968Dwarves would build machines that never fail and elves would never miss but humans and orcs would still do 90% of the fighting.
>>68141988>falling for JSDF Propaganda: The Anime
>>68141988>posts gate>now fuck off with your fetish shit
>>68141988God that manga/show was so bad.>Beating magical/fuedal troops with artillery and machine guns: sure okay I get that. Little gung-ho and would like to have seen them face some actual challenges when facing say mages or something but whatever its a harem anime.>Winning a 1v3 in melee when all you have is a bayonet against the magical worlds *Royal Guards in full battle gear*... just no.Also it might have been the god of death character which I guess is excusable but if its not her: they beat up both spetsnas and navy seals at one point... and its still just the JSDF.
>>68141968I think it matters how the world progressed. If its always had magical creatures then modern warfare would alter to accommodate for those creatures.If its our world which suddenly gains magical creatures (ie Shadowrun) then we'd weaponize obvious ones first (vampire covert ops, etc.) and others would come later (ogres in insanely heavy armor acting as tanks which can go inside buildings without destroying them, think Hunters from halo)
>>68141968I've put some thought into this:>humans are humans>elves Can't wage normal war, or even proper guerilla war. Their industrial base is nonexistent (unless they adapt hugely but then they're not really elves) and their population replacement rates are too poor. They don't have the infrastructure for armour, but would be able to create godly special forces of all stripes. They would have to rely on winning their entire war in one battle, supplemented by various supply strikes and leadr assassinations, because as soon as they're drawn into a protracted war they lose.>drowSee above except with slave-conscripts making up most of the ranks and a massive continuous insurrection problem.>dwarvesProvided they can adapt in time they have the industrial base to produce armour, air support and artillery in droves, but have the same (or similar) population problems as the elves. Every battle would end up as some variety of siege and they would likely have very limited offensive ability.>centaursCentaurs are shit at every type of warfare except for mounted archery and would not function as an army in any time period except for extremely early (we're talking neolithic).>orcsthe chief limiting factor on orcs is their industrial base- they grow fast, reproduce fast, and are as physically capable as humans. They are however too contentious (chaotically aligned in most editions) to form large states often and when they do they'll be held together by one charismatic leader whose death will destroy the country. They will have difficulty doing anything as organised as getting factories and infrastructure together, and this will be their downfall.>big humanoids e.g. goliathsassuming that they can overcome their crippling spinal problems they'll run into the fact that their size matters less in the age of firearms, and mostly just reduces their population. They'll do fine if they can organise.>gnomes/halflingswho the fuck cares
>>68141968Centaur in a modern military would be like the Elcor from mass effect.They'd have small scale artillery mounted on their backs that could be setup and broken down quickly, keeping them off the direct front lines where they'd be easy targets but allowing for heavier fire support to travel easily with infantry.I somehow imagine there'd be lots of centaur/dwarf teams, with the dwarves serving as the artillery operators.
>>68141968>ElvesLiterally insane, superhuman accuracy and skill combined with their superior magic and craftsmaship? Yes pleasePrepare for special forces that make anything we have look like boy scouts and fighter jets geassed with invisibility and protection from projectiles>dwarvesOkay, theyre industrious so thats good for them, but where they would really excel is more your ww1 style content. Theyd be more suited to making weapons but staying out of fights.>OrcsLook at african warlords and you get the idea. They wont be beating proper armies, but their native region is going to be a pain in the ass.
>How would certain fantasy races/creatures adapt to modern warfare?
Here's some of the other non-lewds. I would presume the use of Centaur heavy weapons teams would indicate the country lacks the industrial capacity to manufacture tanks.
>>68143014The core concept is pretty newt, modern army goes to fantasy world, fucks shit up, and is left heavily in control trying to keep the peace Afghanistan style. Alternatively a small military unit (eg. Mechanized Battalion) gets Isekaied with no way back. They can stomp all of the lesser enemies with guns, autocannons, and light artillery, but their resources are highly limited and powerful mages can still fuck them up.
>>68141968Important question:What nation on Earth is prepared to deal with scry-and-die tactics?Say, for example, that Elminster decides one day that he wants to kill the President. What can the US government do to prevent Elminster from teleporting into the Oval Office and casting Finger of Death at Donald Trump and then teleporting out?inb4 Orange Man Bad, the question needs to be answered no matter who's sitting behind the Resolute Desk
>>68144579>Alternatively a small military unit (eg. Mechanized Battalion) gets Isekaied with no way backThere was a japanese live action show about a military division being send back to feudal japan, and having to fight samurai and bandits.Interestingly, it wasn't that one sided, since the samurai realized a frontal assault against a tank was a bad idea, so they instead laid traps to immobilize them and used tall grasses to hide in ambush.
>>68144609If magic is a known force, there's probably the Secretary of Magical Affairs and the Dept. of Arcane Control and Defense (ACD) that warded the Oval Office to hell and back.Could a sufficiently powerful force break through it? Well yeah, but that's when the President's Tele-Button triggers and he gets placed in the Blue Office on the Astral Plane for a few minutes as it's sorted out.
>>68144579>>68143014The problem with Gate is that, when you consider how thing would have went with real geopolitics, all situation would have been way better than the japan wank we got:>Japan say "Nah we keep the gate for ourselves, fuck you UN. All nations decide to cut trades with Japan, and japan is very reliant on import. So the JSDF has now an urgent job: create a sustainable food production in the other world, fast enough that there is no famine back home. They have to work with the local to create big field, bring workers with them, but the discontent against the current governement grow, and there are spy of the opposition among the workforce, who are influenced by the foreign nations.Still a bit of Japan wank, but a much better central conflict.>Japan try to say "Fuck you UN", but realize that since they don't have a seat at the permanent security council, they need someone to cover for them. They ally with another nation (let's say Russia) who use their veto to stop any repercussion on japan. But now the JSDF have to work with foreign soldiers who have a very different view of war and way of life. Meanwhile in the other world, the second cold war is starting because country are siding with either pro-japan and anti-japan, and even within the pro-japan side, the big ally is trying to become the brain of the operation.>Japan accept the UN decision, and the army send to the other world is international. There is quite a lot of internal struggle because each country want the lion's share, but because now it happen on the foreign territory among the generals and officers, the locals know this is a disunited army, and try to attack their cohesion and league them against each others.Like you don't even need to get rid of japan wank if you want (it'll be better IMO), you just need to have an actual conflict!
>>68141968>using an RPG with a passenger on your backKill your Squadmate with this One Weird Trick discovered by a Noncom!
>>68141988Either you're underage, and thus need to get off of 4chan, or you're a legal adult and you actually like Gate of all fucking things, enough for it to be what you first think of to respond to this thread. Either way, I'll pray for your retarded ass.
>>68141968She has a dick.SHE HAS A DIIIIIIIIIIICK
>>68147044Big ol horsedick the size of her rider.
I just like military centaurs so I'll post some.
Shapeshifters would be terrifying. Not just the fact that they can hide in plain sight, but the fact that they can come charging at you, shifting rapidly between a variety of people and creatures. They could kill your commanding officer, assume his position, and march you off a cliff. Masters of psychological warfare, they don't even need to kill to get their way: just the fear of shapeshifters being somewhere out there is enough to scare the shit out of your boots on the ground and send them quivering back to camp.
>>68144753Also, first people through would have been astronauts and disease specialists. The people trained to deal with other worlds and diseases but are almost always prior military to boot.And you have to allow reporters and human rights workers. Lots of people are going to be worried about the trail of tears v2.Is the gate small enough to seal off from easy use? Or is that unrealistic? Now that there is a portal is there a way to reverse engineer it?
>>68147565>And you have to allow reporters and human rights workers.This is the one thing that really bothered me with Gate. Japan is under accusation of disrespecting human right in the other world, but there are only soldiers there, no reporters, no "doctor without borders", nothing.If even North Korea has to let some enter, how could japan stop them?
Illithids: assuming there isn't magic, these fuckers could still be horrifying. Their biological cycle is quite literally terrorism: spread tadpoles, get humanoids to eat the tadpoles, and reap the rewards. Their first attack would have to be their last though, because as soon as people know there's tadpoles in the food turning the frickin' people into squidmen, people will smarten up.
>>68141968I can see Kobolds and Goblins as battlefield scavengers during thd world wars and the conflicts in the middle east. As this happens, it would be possible for them to start selling scrap or treasure, eventually becoming a part of society if on the fringes of it.
>>68147639The show thinks JSDF guys could take on battle hardened CIA spooks. I doubt anyone cared about anything other than masturbating to attack helicopters
>>68147639because NIPPON STRONK, FUKK YOU AMERICAN PIGGUS!JAPANESE PENIS SO BIG ALL THE FANTASY WAIFUS WANT IT!
>>68143928Another Reason why Mass Effect series is shit, never got an Elcor party member.
>>68147737>The show thinks JSDF guys could take on battle hardened CIA spooks.Come on anon, it's normal. He's a regular private, a ranger, a special ops dude, and an Otaku. Clearly it is way superior to a puny "special ops only" american, who probably doesn't even watch anime, much less the clearly superior Isekai genre.
>>68147815That character is implicitly a self-insert for the author right? Who was some jackoff in the actual JSDF.Its hilarious the manga adaptation has been toned down twice or something from the degree of hardcore ridiculous nationalism wank that was the original story, and its still full on retarded.>>68147639<
>>68147172>>68147010That seems implausible.In real life steeplechase horses are gelded in part so they don't clip their testicles when jumping fences/hedges.This hermaphrodite doesn't even wear some form of trousers to keep her enormous cock and balls from hanging low, that seems like a real potential danger on the battlefield.
>>68147934the whole "would japan do the same thing?" is so tone deaf to what happened in china and korea, like it didn't already happened.
>>68143059>I think it matters how the world progressed. If its always had magical creatures then modern warfare would alter to accommodate for those creatures.>If its our world which suddenly gains magical creatures (ie Shadowrun) then we'd weaponize obvious ones first (vampire covert ops, etc.) and others would come laterExactly.>>68143125>>elves>>dwarves>>orcsWouldn't these three most likely ally with each other/humanity to mitigate their individual racial weaknesses?Elven Spec Ops and Orcish Shock Troopers backed by Dwarven industry and infrastructure?>>centaursNatural Cavalry-infantry, Scouts, and Logisticians.It makes a lot of sense to stick heavy and otherwise cumbersome communication's gear on a Centaur.>>68144488>I would presume the use of Centaur heavy weapons teams would indicate the country lacks the industrial capacity to manufacture tanks.Well why waste resources on a machine base for a big gun when you can just give it to a Centaur grunt to lug around?>>68144753>>Japan try to say "Fuck you UN", but realize that since they don't have a seat at the permanent security council, they need someone to cover for them. They ally with another nation (let's say Russia) who use their veto to stop any repercussion on japan. But now the JSDF have to work with foreign soldiers who have a very different view of war and way of life.I doubt they'd ally with Russia; Ruskies are far to close to home for comfort.The USA would still do everything you said, but that isn't much different from how it is right now.>>68147785>Another Reason why Mass Effect series is shit, never got an Elcor party member.Well let's face it, you'd never see him with the run and cover gunplay action...>>68148042>don't clip their testicles when jumping fences/hedges.>doesn't even wear some form of trousers to keep her enormous cock and balls from hanging low, that seems like a real potential danger on the battlefield.I keep telling you dicks are nothing but trouble!
>>68144579If anything it would be interesting to see actual geopolitics. Like, take say 30 gates not equally distributed and let's see (I dunno) China, the US and what else court for access to the other world in other countries, something like that. Personally I'd say fuck the military. The gates open up first in the underground and it's up to organized crime to deal with the other side and its resources.
>>68141968Assuming a relatively equal distribution of technology, as in everyone has access to firearms but not everyone necessarily have the latest equipment, vehicles, or industrial bases.>ElvesA small nation of hypercompetent specialists. Likely end up developing a military doctrine similar to modern nordic countries with an emphasis on some kind of mandatory national service and special forces. When you live 300+ years, a decade or two of compulsory service isn't a big deal. More focused on military deterrence. Almost nonexistent industrial base, have to rely on generous arms deals with allied human nations. Pretty good at guerilla fighting but ultimately incapable of sustaining total warfare. Elven special forces would be terrifying though. If they want a specific individual gone, no mortal force on the planet can stop them. The rare Elven mercenary is a highly sought after operative, hired gun, or bodyguard.>DwarvesMasters of artillery, holding territory, and siege. I imagine they'd be quite good at both defending and attacking in siege operations, just flattening swathes of territory in saturated bombardment. Lots of defense in depth. If modern infantry doctrine is centered around the concept of riflemen supporting a squad automatic weapon, dwarven infantry doctrine just being EVERYONE gets a machine gun. Probably has a technologically competent but under strength air force and navy.>OrcsA combination of african warlords, the middle east, and WW2 soviet doctrine. I think just making them savages is a bit boring, but I do think they'd be the types willing to eat large casualties in exchange for key strategic gains. Poorly trained and equipped but mean as hell with strong morale. Discipline will be a constant issue however and the most famous orc generals would be the ones who can just manage to keep the men in line. If they can't succeed in forming a unified political bloc, they likely end up super balkanized.
>>68148306>The italian mafia, the drug cartel of south america, the yakuza and the triad has to team up to save the world against an invasion from magical roman empire.>As they are about to lose the final battle, they receive help from unlikely allies>An army of black soldiers on old trucks with machine gun swarm the empires troupes.>"The Africans warlords have answered our call for help."
>>68148478You fool, only America has black people amongst its operatives!
>>68148515This was so retarded.Anyway, so what? The warlords are working under the american mafia (aka wall street).
>>68141968They would all have segregated units for the sake of logistics. Taur-based races get Taur based kit, while humanoids get humanoid kit. Each fulfills a different role. Stuff like this>>68144488>>68144509>>68144523>>68144535Seems like a really bad idea. You'll need to keep track of how many of each race you have in each regiments, and gear them out accordingly. Hard enough to keep a human regiment fed and supplied. Also the Centaur is woefully undersupplied. This setting shows that automatic weapons already exist. A single sniper, doesn't even need to be lucky since that centaur is such a huge target, could take out the heavy support to her unprotected underside, or even blow out a leg. Then suddenly your heavy trooper is bleeding to death.
>>68148413>Making orcs savages is boring>base them on savage african warlords
>>68144550Are they defending the Falklands?
>>68144704OP said “adapt” to modern warfare and folk are talking about Gate, so my impression is that magic isn’t a known quantity.So, to repeat before the modern world is wanked too much: How prepared are modern nations to deal with scary-and-die?
>>68148570>Hard enough to keep a human regiment fed and supplied.Countless forces, throughout history, have solved this problem just fine. I mean, you've heard of cavalry, right? A centaur is just a man and horse, logistically speaking.That said, you are correct in that once firearms become reliably accurate at anything greater than 200 meters, cavalry just dies. Oh well, the centaurs can still haul the heavy equipment.
>>68144612This is the best approach. Primitive =/= stupid.
>>68148680Maybe people would care to reply to you if you had put forth a less terrible example than D&D
>>68148687They solved it, doesn't mean it was easy. Just as many failed to do so, and even the succesful ones had their infrastructure fall to shit because of a change in weather conditions. And this is before you take maintenance into account. It's still hard.
>>68148570>They would all have segregated units for the sake of logistics. Taur-based races get Taur based kit, while humanoids get humanoid kit. Each fulfills a different role.Unit's wouldn't necessarily be segregated, Platoon's would greatly benefit from the specialties of additional races to supplement their main role.For instance, Centaur Communication's officers in an Orc Grenadier Unit.
>>68148782Orc units are perfectly functional, as long as they are led by human officers of course.
>>68148413>nonexistent industrydid you forget that elves are in addition to everything else the best craftsmen? theyre going to be shitting out drones and heavy armor to compensate for their small numbers in terms of infantry
>>68148819>Orc units are perfectly functionalYeah, but you're probably going to have a Centaur Mobile Radio Corps anyways, so you might as well have a Centaur Radio with your Orc Unit.
>>68148726You don’t need D&D to scry-and-die. You just need teleportation magic of some variety and long-distance observation magic of some variety, and frankly the second is optional if you have other means of spying on your target, like shapeshifting. Or a telescope.I mean, Hell, if you want to get technical scary-and-die is the principle combat doctrine used in Star Trek...
>>68148964>scary-and-die...actually I’m not mad at you this time, Autocorrect. Scry-and-die IS scary to contemplate.
>>68148964Stark Trek is also a trash franchise.
>>68148782That sounds better as specialist divisions. Segregated units for basic combat operations (human infantry to capture buildings, centaur units for light reconnaissance, goblins for sniping and artillery spotting, etc). Then you'd have squads made up of soldiers from many races that excelled in their divisions to complete specific objectives that require a small force that's harder to detect but kitted out to fulfill many different operations.
>>68149012De gustibus non est disputandem, I suppose. Still haven’t answered how you’re gonna protect against scry-and-die.
>>68148478I was thinking more on the line of something more serious, I honestly can see the potential of the idea. Definitely grey morality (the mob is there for the potential for smuggling first, then for the drugs, then "holy shit magic actually works here").
>>68148560maybe not. if you know you are only going to have the US, russia, china and the EU operating on your land then the group with blacks in it is likely gonna be american.
>>68149202EU is by no means a bad bet, Dude. There’s plenty of black people in Britain, France, Spain, Portugal...
>>68149224not to the same extend as america. and america have more afro-americans while europe have more subsaharan africans. you can see the difference.
>>68149202>It was a trick by South Africa to have the US and Japan in a cold war.
>>68149040>That sounds better as specialist divisions.For something as pervasive as Radio Operators?You're going to have Imperial Japanese Military levels of redundancy at that rate...>>68149040>Segregated units for basic combat operations (human infantry to capture buildings, centaur units for light reconnaissance, goblins for sniping and artillery spotting, etc).I'm not saying Units wouldn't have racial preferences, but complete homogeneity would be detrimental to greater military cohesion.
Centaurs would be incredibly useful skirmish troops in modern day militarys. You can't shift large tanks and vehicles over extremely difficult terrain, they need repairing and spare parts, and fuel can be difficult to come by. Centaurs may not have the firepower or physical presence of a tank, but they'd be very useful on poor/isolated terrain where vehicles struggle.>Can move over rough ground and narrow passages>Fuel is just easily carried ration packs/foraged food>Can carry heavy loads>Can react and fight like human soldiersJust imagine being in a kebab ambush, thinking you're about to wipe out some scouting yanks, suddenly a fucking ton of solid horseflesh wielding a heavy gun suddenly tramples you.
>>68148602I did say a mix of various countries/armies since I find making fantasy races just 1:1 parallels with preexisting cultures to be kind of boring. To clarify, the idea of them just charging mindlessly in waves doesn't sit right with me, especially in the era of widespread firearms. I'm not saying they'd be tactical geniuses, but like the soviets in WW2, there's a method to their brutal madness.
>>68149345Why relegate radio operation to one specific race? That would hamstring your entire military force if they are suddenly out of commission for whatever reason.>but complete homogeneity would be detrimental to greater military cohesion.likewise racial preference to specific roles means a greater reliability on that race for that role, which gives any enemy another weakness to target to hamper operation in the early stages. If say humans are logistics officers only, targeting them would mean the entire army is in disarray as supplies don't go where they are needed. If however each race had their own officer of their own race, anyone could fill the role if the previous was killed or removed from action.
>>68143014They seem to have forgotten that Japan is still basically a US vassal state.Much more realistic would have been the government cutting a good deal with the US: In exchange for shoring up defense of the home islands and providing air support and logistics on the other side of the portal, America is allowed to exploit the scientific and informational resources there.
>>68143014>God that show was so bad.true>God that manga was so bad.fuck you nigger, manga was great.
>>68149265afro-carribeansAnd like a jap can tell the difference between black people, they see them all as inhuman oni.
>>68149446They also require a lot of maintenance. Ever wonder where the term 'eat like a horse' comes from? That's not including the extra gear they need to carry both for themselves, and to prevent wounds a human finds minor but for a horse is potentially lethal.>suddenly a fucking ton of solid horseflesh wielding a heavy gun suddenly tramples you.Shot to the leg. Dead horseman, free machine gun.
>>68149513No, it was Japanese HFY in both cases.
>>68149446I actually tend to think it would a liability. Modern warfare is positioning and shooting, and a centaur would be in a comparitively difficult position to get cover/would have a way easier to fire on silohuette.The real pro would POSSIBLY be the easiness of carrying, say, a machine gun, but I don't think having it firing strapped to the centaur's side standing up would do him any good than making him a fantastic target for anyone - he wouldn't be really more resilient to bullets than humans.
>>68149543>Shot to the leg>Dude just shoot this thing moving faster than a human's that would equally fuck a human upt. "why don't cops shoot people in the legs to disable them?" faggot
>>68149559>No, it was Japanese HFY in both cases.>HFY when fighting against other humansit was military porn first and foremost sprinkled in with gun shit. Everyone loved it until it got adapted.
>>68149494>Why relegate radio operation to one specific race? That would hamstring your entire military force if they are suddenly out of commission for whatever reason.Mostly it's because the Radio itself is probably a heavy piece of kit and might be specifically mass produced in a form that is easiest worn as a saddle.>likewise racial preference to specific roles means a greater reliability on that race for that role, which gives any enemy another weakness to target to hamper operation in the early stages. If say humans are logistics officers only, targeting them would mean the entire army is in disarray as supplies don't go where they are needed. If however each race had their own officer of their own race, anyone could fill the role if the previous was killed or removed from action.Of course, but just because you can HAVE Dwarf Scouts doesn't mean you'll see a lot of them, let alone creating a whole Unit of them if you don't have to.Most likely the majority of your Armed Forces are going to be the fast-breeding Races like Humans and Orcs filling out the ranks with more specialized roles having a preference for particular races.>>68149497>Much more realistic would have been the government cutting a good deal with the US: In exchange for shoring up defense of the home islands and providing air support and logistics on the other side of the portal, America is allowed to exploit the scientific and informational resources there.Indeed.Hell they'd probably rather the USA sends it's troops through instead.
>>68149590The real pro is that all of your infantry are mounted on a horse that cannot be scared and is potentially perfectly controlled.Centaur mountain divisions would be hellish to fight.
>>68149661>The real pro is that all of your infantry are mounted on a horse that cannot be scared and is potentially perfectly controlled.>Centaur mountain divisions would be hellish to fight.Exactly, especially heavy weapons teams!You don't give the Centaur the Heavy Machine Gun, you give them a Marksman's Rifle and mount the HMG so the Kobold on his back can man it.
>>68149621I think he meant that even before adaptation, it was still japan wanking by having them fight an absolutely inferior enemy that can't adapt. Also, the anime is actually closer to the LN, which the manga toned down greatly.
>>68149661>Centaurs armed with rifles towing heavy guns that are manned by humans all over the mountainside
>>68149611No I mean a horse's leg is a lethal area. Hell most ever part of the horse is a lethal kill shot. They're powerful and fast yeah but it comes at a cost. If a shot hits a blood vessel they'll bleed out far faster than a human, if they twist an ankle the'yre good as dead, and if they don't have an adequate supply of horseshoes to keep their hooves from cracking they aren't going anywhere.A human just hits himself with a stim and he can shrug most of that off, at least long enough to extract. A centaur will be dead long before that.
>>68143014Something that I find interesting about Gate was that the author seem to only see slavery as sexual slavery, because he ignore the possibility that the empire could have a slave corp of rabbit peoples who would be way better at fighting the jsdf in guerrilla tactic.
>>68149661There is a reason we don't use horses nowdays, anon. Bullets kill horses easily enough.>and yes, horses are more delicate than many shit hunter take offIf anything good candidates for modern warfare would be sprites. Easy to conceal, ready to carry explosives, small silhouette, fucking flying. Sure, they couldn't use assault rifles, but very interesting nontheless.
>>68149725>it was still japan wanking by having them fight an absolutely inferior enemy that can't adapt.that's why it was great. Its like any invader movie where one side is so drastically overpowered. the autistic amount of details and research made it hilarious and fun.
>>68149757Yeah, but the author wanted it to be taken seriously, especially by the way he tried to make the "politic" compelling. And if you're series is a good parody/funny series DESPITE what you wanted it to be, you've failed very hard.Also, even Julius Caesar understood that winning against harmless enemies is poor wanking, so it's 2000 years behind in propaganda.
>>68149751I'd add lycanthropes. The SMALL ones. Take a wererat that transforms himself in a (normal) rat. With all his equipment. A fucking nightmare in urban/forest warfare.
>>68144609There's not really a point to targeted wartime assassinations.It's fairly obvious who is the attacker and just makes a martyr of the person and a new popular leader pops up soon to fill the role.>>68143125I don't think you've thought about orcs properly.Killing the big orc leader would be like killing the latest Islamic terrorist leader in the middle east.It'd do basically nothing.
>>68149640>Mostly it's because the Radio itself is probably a heavy piece of kit and might be specifically mass produced in a form that is easiest worn as a saddle.That sort of reliance is what leads to glaring weaknesses in a modern military, which is what I thought we were talking about. A radio-carrying centaur is just begging for a mortar. Keeping old outdated tech is what the Imperial Russian army did and look how that turned out.>HAVE Dwarf Scouts doesn't mean you'll see a lot of themI should hope not, if you see them they aren't doing a good job.>majority of your Armed Forces are going to be the fast-breeding Races like Humans and Orcs filling out the ranks with more specialized roles having a preference for particular races.Yes when I said human divisions I meant human like races. You don't put centaurs in a unit specialized in clearing buildings. A squad of humans and orcs can do that fine; but a centaur can't squeeze through the doors, climb stairs, and requires a lot more cover if a firefight breaks out. Their strengths work against them in that sort of situation.
>>68149900>Also, even Julius Caesar understood that winning against harmless enemies is poor wanking, so it's 2000 years behind in propaganda.Thats retarded tons of roman theatre involved stories without underdogs. Power wank was very common and either funny or tragic. Having a helicopter come in and gun down smug elves is funny. decapitating a dragon with modern military equipment is funny. the japanese wanking is such a minimal part, I even think the main character has a United States title attributed to him.
>>68149737>>68149751>Bullets kill horses easily enough.Yeah, Centaurs would be fragile, but that's why you give them important heavy shit or arm them to punch WELL above their weight class...Think how much a nightmare fighting Centaurs with shoulder fire Anti-Air Missiles would be.
>>68150001>Thats retarded tons of roman theatre involved stories without underdogs. Power wank was very common and either funny or tragic.No most of those were made by patrons that wanted private wank material. Critics then and now scoff at it.
>>68150074I think we're talking about different wank.
>>68150041>important heavy shit or arm them to punch WELL above their weight classThen they lose their key advantage, being fast. They become slow enough for an RPG to make them into hamburger meat
goblins and other small races that have human equivalent strength would rape everything if they had access to guns. smaller profiles and more usable cover would make a huge difference and large races such as centaurs and goliaths would be swiss cheese in seconds. they're also cheaper to field with armor and in some settings can carry as much as the average human, so they can pack some heat.
>>68149900>take it seriously>2000 year old loliDid he bang his head in the JSDF or something?
>>68147380>it ain't me>it ain't me>I ain't no senetaur's son
>>68150100>>68141968forgot my pic
>>68141968They would star in rape-focused porn films/
>>68150089Not really. Greek historians for Roman's were paid be specific families to write history, and often embellished thr truth so said family would keep paying them. It's why the account of the Battle of Watling Street has such huge differences in numbers and military strength depending on which historian you consult. Each was paid by someone else who wanted a specific group to look better than everyone else. And then you got some that were absolute shite, like the accounts of the phyrric war which either have the Roman's shitting themselves fighting the Greek phalanxes and elephants or ubermensch that tanked hoplite spears and one shotted elephants with heart seeking javelins.
>>68149202It could be brits or frogs, but unlikely to be frogs as they mostly use their spec ops to maintain their colonial holdings in Africa.
>>68150158I'd think they would make excellent snipers. They can wedge into places even humans cannot so they'll become a nightmare to any enemy force that doesn't have thier own goblin snipers
>>68150041Anon, having a machine gun/AA doesn't protect you. It's not a shield. It's an offensive setpiece.Think it like this: tanks have bigass cannons, right? Does that protect them? No, they need armor. Hell, in restricted terrain they need fucking infantry to protect them.
>watch the rooftops
>>68150001>the japanese wanking is such a minimal part,Are you kidding? Even the Japanese saw it as over the top JSDF wank. The JSDF are a joke to them. Gate was the equivalent to making a Mary Sue on a national scale
>>68150180This anon gets it.
>>68150167I still think we're talking about different wank. Thats straight up propoganda where they're lieing about past events. Nips shooting smug roman soldiers didn't actually happen, and no one is being led to believe such.>>68150215>Gate was the equivalent to making a Mary Sue on a national scalenothing wrong with mary sues when thats the entire point.
>>68144535I like the banner
>>68150001>Thats retarded tons of roman theatre involved stories without underdogs. Julius Caesar didn't write roman theater, he exaggerated the martial proficiency of the Gauls to make himself look like a more competent general. He was under constant negative propaganda by Pompey, so he needed his enemies to look legit in the eyes of the Romans so that he was safe from peoples going "well no big deal, the Gauls were too weak and desorganised". >Having a helicopter come in and gun down smug elves is funny.>decapitating a dragon with modern military equipment is funny. First, matter of taste. Second, for the joke to work, you need a set-up, and it need to not overstay it's welcome. The set-up is the invasion at the start of the series, and last 10 minutes, 20 at most. The joke stay the rest of the whole series, which imo is way too long to remain funny. Yes, the first few time, it work, but when the series keep going on "and now the minotaurs try to kill JSDF and get beaten, and then X get beaten and then Y get beaten", it too predictable to be enjoyable.>the japanese wanking is such a minimal partErr, no? Like minor japan wank is like in Dr Stone where they gloat about katana being the best blades. It's still dumb, but it's fairly minor. "We have superior moral standing, superior tech, superior training, superior culture, and if there is anything bad about us, it's because of someone that don't respect our glorious nation/military" is way above minimal wanking.
>>68150239>nothing wrong with mary sues in any situation everOpinion dropped
>>68150324why did you change my green text anon?
>>68149751We do use horses now. We use them all the time when we're maneuvering shit through the mountains because trucks can't make it but horses can. You're not riding into battle with a lance but you'll happily ride them over some big ass hills carrying a motar and a box of shells because fuck carrying that shit by hand.
>>68150001>is funnyNo it isnt, the joke works for the first 10 minutes, stretching said joke over an entire series just creates a boring, unimaginative and poorly written series only remembered for how terrible it was.>>68150239>its shit on purpose so it isnt shitSomething being a mary sue on purpose is still being a mary sue anon, bad writing is bad writing, regardless of whether its on purpose or not
>>68150401>Something being a mary sue on purpose is still being a mary sue anon, bad writing is bad writing, regardless of whether its on purpose or notYou have to tell me whats wrong with mary sues before you can tell me its bad because its a mary sue.
>>68150114>Author make (or try) complexes political situation, put heavy theme about political prostitution and corruption that are treated as major dramatic elements.>"But the author made a few silly things, so it mean it wasn't meant to be taken seriously."Putting a few silly elements in a show isn't enough to make it not serious in the head of the author. Puck is very silly, but Muira still take Berserk very seriously. Likewise, just cause the loli goddess is the stupidest designed god doesn't mean the author of gate isn't his head up in his own asses about his views and politic. Hell, Rory litterally is used for a (serious scene) where she serve as the author mouth to say "Nah but journalist shouldn't question what the military does."
>>68150335Because there is no situation where Mary Sue is good. Even parody shitting on ot serves only to show what a cancer it is
>>68150441>Because there is no situation where Mary Sue is good.why?What even is your definition of mary sue?
>>68150345I'd like a cite for first world nations using regularly horses for logistics, but besides that, we were talking about actual battles.
>>68150412Sure, a very simple one>Mary sues are boring, as in they literally lack what it takes to make a character or story involving them engagingill throw a couple more in for free, because im nice like that>Mary sues undermine any dramatic stakes the story might have>Mary sues push suspension of disbelief
>>68150239>nothing wrong with mary sues when thats the entire point.I do agree on principle, but just doing it on purpose is not enough, you need to know how to use it.See Sakamoto-desu ga. The MC (Sakamoto) is essentially Bayonetta as a young lad, while everyone else is a normal person. A complete Gary stue that is handsome, talented, kind and smart. But it work because he is never the focus of the episode, it's always about how peoples improve by being confronted to him.Likewise, Galahad is also a Gary Stu in the Arthurian mythos (the latter ones), but he serve as a counterpoint to Lancelot, who's a great knight, but flawed and feel tormented by how much Galahad is everything he would want to be but can't.If you want to make a Mary sue, you need to have the story not be about their achievement, but about how they affect the world around them and what peoples feel in their presence.Gate do that to a certain degree, but still spend way too much time gloating about the JSDF superiority. More over, it only ever use two kind of viewpoints about the JSDF, either "we're evil and we don't like them" or "We're good and we like them." There is no complexity in the way it affect the peoples.
>>68150543So what you're saying is you don't think a story can have character unless they have an arc at all times?And anything without an arc is a mary sue?Isn't this throwing out the fact that they can potentially evolve the world around them, and the breath of fresh air involved when not everyone has an arc? And what if you're exploring themes that have nothing to do with characters and arcs?
>>68150462An entity that removes all dramatic tension by resolving every problem with metaphorical handwave, often within the same chaoter/episode the problem is introduced.
>>68150595And what if there is no tension in the story?what about stories where tension doesn't involve them, and they just act as a force of nature for the author to throw into the mix occasionally?
>>68150595That would mean Ayla of the Clan Bear isn't a mary sue.
>>68150620>And what if there is no tension in the story?Than it's a documentary, and sometime not even that. You'd be hard pressed to find a story that doesn't have tension in one way or another. Even kid show have some.>what about stories where tension doesn't involve themThey are fine, but that's not the case of the JSDF.
>>68150673>You'd be hard pressed to find a story that doesn't have tension in one way or another.Slice of life? Most Comedies?
>>68150620Then it's a bad story.>>68150625All Mary Sues are bad characters, but not all bad characters are Mary Sues
>>68150727>Then it's a bad story.Well that seems to be the problem then, you have subjective opinions that every story needs tension. That there is no other reason to enjoy a story.
>>68150583>So what you're saying is you don't think a story can have character unless they have an arc at all times?>And anything without an arc is a mary sue?I want you to quote where I said that anon>evolve the world around themThat isnt their story>and the breath of fresh air involved when not everyone has an arc?Having people lack the very basic element that makes them interesting isnt a breath of fresh air anon>exploring themes that have nothing to do with characters and arcsThey will still make the story worse with their presence
>>68150700>Slice of life?Have a form of short theme conflict or interpersonal drama. >Most comedies?Even more so, comedies resolves around the tensions in a different way than serious stories, but it's still present.Tension isn't big conflict and wars, it's any form of opposition that stand against the characters.
>>68150741Every story needs tension because that is what makes a story worth reading, its what makes you read the whole thing to see how it ends instead of just reading the first page, going "I guess everything works itself out and everyone continues as before" and stopping.Tension (and conflict) are necessary to storytelling.
>>68150784>I want you to quote where I said that anonThats what I inferred from your post. >That isnt their storyChanging the world isn't the story of the one that changes it?>Having people lack the very basic element that makes them interesting isnt a breath of fresh air anonI would assume if you make everything interesting, making something dull or simple can make others more interesting. or it can be interesting by itself. Like grey next to a bunch of vibrant colors. >They will still make the story worse with their presenceI don't see how, that sounds like they're litterally designed for a story that calls for them.
>>68150741Bo because even your example of slice of life and comedy have tension. The difference is where a Mary Sue solves the problem, the comedy just ignores it and let's it get worse or the problems causing the attention goes away
>>68150788>Tension isn't big conflict and warsI would believe tension is any moment where you aren't entirely sure what the next outcome will be. I agree that comedies are all about shocking results, but a non-arc character can always shock the audience. see >>68150564>See Sakamoto-desu ga.
>>68141968I see two different main scenarios>magic is prevalent and very powerfulthere isn't any modern warfare as we know it. Magic shapes society to something that would be alien to us>magic is rare and or weaknot too different from what happened IRL. Industrial warfare is much more about the big picture, organization, economics and industrialization than the relative minor differences between your average fantasy races (of course this depends on said magic and the specifics you chose to include).
>dorfs wth flamethrowers
>>68151064what happened that Gw has to make a rare elite unit the norm for every army?
>>68148042>That seems implausible.Welcome to futa. Enjoy your 50 pound horsecock (yes singular) that is hidden by the thinnest of fabric until it decides to spring forth from betwixt parallel, impossible dimensions like some Eldritch terror.
>>68151064>that smell of burnt beard hair
>>68148478Fuck yeah, fund this righ now, nigga
>>68151596Organized Crime vs your typical D&D style Thieves Guilds and Deathcults, instead of just against magical rome, would probably be a bit better.
>>68150198>gargoyle snipers>Gods in Europe but quickly lose effectiveness in other urban environs.
>>68150316>PompeyI think you mean Cato Minor & the optimates. Pompey and Julius were allied until Julia's death in 50Bc
>>68149982>That sort of reliance is what leads to glaring weaknesses in a modern military, which is what I thought we were talking about. A radio-carrying centaur is just begging for a mortar.>Keeping old outdated tech is what the Imperial Russian army did and look how that turned out.True, but bleeding edge Combat-capable tech usually starts out bulky and heavy as hell.And a Centaur will be far harder to mortar than a fixed building.>>68150091>Then they lose their key advantage, being fast. They become slow enough for an RPG to make them into hamburger meatA Centaur with an RPG is still faster than a Human with one, and the Centaur can easily carry multiple RPGs...>>68150100>goblins and other small races that have human equivalent strength would rape everything if they had access to guns.>>68150158>When the Sewers start speaking in Dragonic>>68150186>Anon, having a machine gun/AA doesn't protect you. It's not a shield. It's an offensive setpiece.Yes, but it's now HIGHLY MOBILE Offensive Piece able to traverse difficult terrain much easier than a biped on foot.Techincals are a thing for a reason; You already have a Pickup Truck, you add a Gun to it for mobile firepower.If you had Centaurs, since they can train themselves not to be as easily spooked as full Equines they can also serve much the same purpose.>>68150345>We do use horses now. We use them all the time when we're maneuvering shit through the mountains because trucks can't make it but horses can. You're not riding into battle with a lance but you'll happily ride them over some big ass hills carrying a motar and a box of shells because fuck carrying that shit by hand.Exactly!I mean, Big Dog exist because we're trying to create a completely artificial replacement for the fucking Pack Mule, AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE SUPPOSE TO SERVE AS SOLDIERS!>>68150947What if we Industralized the MAGIC?!?!
>>68141968>How would certain fantasy races/creatures adapt to modern warfare?You can use phoenix command to test that, mix with sword path glory (even more realistic but melee one, but many rules can be mixed)
>>68152570>A Centaur with an RPG is still faster than a Human with oneBut both are slower than the rocket. The presence of the RPG has rendered the centaur obsolete by itself.>Yes, but it's now HIGHLY MOBILE Offensive Piece able to traverse difficult terrain much easier than a biped on foot.No, it's a mobile platform moving at 1 horsepower. Against a high tech enemy, that's basically a sitting target for a plane. For a low tech enemy, that's just waiting to step on a mine. The only place a centaur has use is either>Big Dog existsTo fulfill a logistical role, not a combat role. If a centaur is going to war, don't slap armor on it. Put it in the armor. Put them in tanks, on ships, in artillery positions, places where their strength(which becomes weaknesses in modern combat) are rendered moot.
>>68145295It's not an RPG, it's a shoulder mounted cannon. There's no backblast.
>>68153982No, just enough recoil to break the rider's skull.
>>68144612>There was a japanese live action show about a military division being send back to feudal japan, and having to fight samurai and bandits.A film, called Samurai G.I. I have it on DVD. It's actually good.
>>68149446>Centaurs would be incredibly useful skirmish troops in modern day militarys.No they wouldn't. They are big targets and can't easily take cover like a man.
>>68153914As a matter of fact Big Dog sounds like a more realistic approach for what to search in a Gate scenario as something to help XXI century army. Just ask a druid for fearless, obedient donkeys with high endurance that don't shit everywhere.
>>68144609Just look at the current trend of leaders, you have to have a lot of whatever’s important to lead.Fuck, high level business men are almost always taller then their low level peers.The would would be absolutely fucking feudal, with super magical rich people, companies, & countries cucking the shit out of the rest of the world.President would be fine because he would at the very least have a much larger pool of more capable mages at his disposal then the casts majority of any other group on the planet.>What’s stopping China/Russia from nuking orange man right now?
>>68148306The military would for sure be first in with whoever bank rolls them, but criminals & radicals (probably the fucking quakers shitting out baby’s left and right) will without a doubt make up the first of the settlers and colonists.
If anything a good idea would be to take materiel items and ask if there is a fantasy thing that could more or less substitute it (without it being very rare in said fantasy, Elminster would be kinda of a poor substitute for a nuke).But I don't think it would be easy. A dragon does KINDA sound like a substitute for an attack helicopter but I don't suppose he would take missile that well, and will not have countermeasures for those.
>>68148515Unless the nigger had a baguette sticking out of his ass with all that expensive equipment, chances are it’s an American coon.
>>68144753The scenario you've come up here sounds fantastic and would make sense - if Japan was populated with westerners. Unfortunately, Japan is populated with Japanese, and this undermines much of the scenario. Chiefly, Japanese would not show the initiative necessary to tackle the problem of UN isolation with the creativity shown here at all. Japan would probably suffer for a decade before it got the idea to attempt to extract resources from the other world, and then they'd got about it in the most assbackward and presumptuous fashion possible. High quality, sure, but totally wrong headed. Japan is just too slow on the uptake to react quickly to such stark circumstances.On a meta level, it's also true that no japanese story writer would struck across this idea spontaneously, nor would any japanese editor give it the green light for something meant to sell in japan. Because it wouldn't. "NIPPON SUTORONKU!" sells in Japan.
>>68154229My idea for a show is basically that the mob/organized crime finds the gate and (at least initatially) keeps it secret to profit from it.>oddly enough I am not sure what kind of mafia would keep it secret reasonably well, but we'll not give a fuck about itThe profit is good as fuck, but then the word spreads and our protags might end up closed on the other side
Centaurs are POG
>>68141988>Fuck off with your fetish shitPosts fetish shit
Speaking of Centaurs/Horses, I remember reading this quest on SB I believe where they made magic Woad that gave different effects depending on what you wanted. Someone devised Stone Skin Woad. And they put it on horses. Imagine a heavy cav force charging at you with skin as durable as stone. They'd be nigh invincible until autocannons
>>68149497I’m fine with idea of us letting japs defend is under “self defense”, it would mean we weren’t, so the rest of the world who gets all pissy over us wouldn’t be able to say shit. Japans an ally so they would just be getting glory and first dibs in exchange for leg work.Anime was fine until the met pena colada lol.After that everything got lame.>japanese womenlet bodies armored knights.Please stick to just gunning people down jap bros.
>>68144264>when some human kid calls you a knife-ear on xbox live
>>68154412>While you're livestreamingFucking tusk mouths should hang
>>68149661Centaur chariots would be fucking death per modern.>>68149737Besides the blood pressure issues, which is true, the horseman wouldn’t be killed just from rolling an ankle.Horses die like that because their retarded and you can’t treat them properly after that, but someone with a horses body who is otherwise as intelligent as you and me would heal just fine.>no man left behind!Sorry you horse face barnyard ass bitch, I ain’t carrying you back!
>>68153914>But both are slower than the rocket. The presence of the RPG has rendered the centaur obsolete by itself.Except, again, the Centaur can carry more RPGs than a single human, a human that wasn't made obsolete by Rocket Propelled Grenades in the first place.>No, it's a mobile platform moving at 1 horsepower. Against a high tech enemy, that's basically a sitting target for a plane.Still more mobile than a human with a Shoulder-fired AA Missile or most motorized Anti-Air Weapons.Yeah, Centaurs can't outmaneuver Mechanized War Machines on flat ground, but given ANY kind of Terrain advantage and suddenly having a Soldier capable of lugging around Anti-Tank grade weapons with easy becomes damn valuable.>To fulfill a logistical roleYeah, this, Scouting, and Skirmishing is where most of your Centaurs are going to be.They're not front line Combatants, but they are excellent at staying mobile and harassment.>>68154084>No they wouldn't. They are big targets and can't easily take cover like a man.Not AS easily as a human biped, but certainly easier to hunker down than an MBT.
>>68149446>Centaurs would be incredibly useful skirmish troops in modern day militarysIf that were the case we'd still be using horses, retard.
>>68154607Anon, tanks don't take cover. They have armor.
>>68154760>If that were the case we'd still be using horses, retard.Only reason we don't is that horses spook too easily for a sustained firefight...>>68154850>Anon, tanks don't take cover. They have armor.You still use cover when you have it, since it's still less of you being shot at and armor isn't invincible.
>>68154850That's not an anon, retard.
>>68153914Ah yes, the RPG. Remember when it was invented and all the squishy humans who couldn't stand up to it's blast were rendered instantly obsolete?
>>68155073You realized firefight sounds and horses have been there for half a millenium, right? It's not like XVIII century battles were silent affairs.Oddly enough cavalry charges started to die off the century after, when breechloading and then machine guns were introduced.
I think the usefulness of centaurs depends heavily on the centaur. Can they crouch and stand up again quickly? Some horses can, some can't. What size are they? A lower body of a 200 pound pony is going to give very different abilities than the body of a 1800 pound draft horse. How does the human part work? If they have human upper body strength and an upper lower connection as strong as a horses neck, they aren't going to use heavy weapons as well as if they were stronger and had better connected torsos. Best case scenario, their lower bodies work like a 500 pound mules but fertile and they can enter buildings, climb stairs, live off of anything green, and not break their legs constantly while still being able to carry 100 pounds of dead-weight 30 miles without a problem and their upper bodies are mounted on something that doesn't snap with heavy recoil but still lets them reach around and grab things from their back easily. Worst case scenario they are an anatomical joke that is in no way functional.
>>68154607>>68155296>Human made obsolete by RPG.Completely missed the point. Both of you. Infantry are smaller, and can capture strategic locations, and provide a much smaller target. They only have just enough to theoretically get the job done. Carrying more just makes you an already bigger target, and thus a bigger expense if you die and lose all that ordnance. The key advantages a Centaur brings is speed (outpaced by vehicles), maneuverability in rough terrain, (outdone by aerial support), and size (outdone by armor). They need a new role, and glorified ammo mule isn't that. If you really need to lug that much explosives, then forget setting up infantry, just call in an airstrike. Honestly this sounds more useful in the age of pike and shot
Elves would be an entire army of snipers, dwarves would have "man"-portable M2HBs, and orcs would carry 20mm rifles with bayonets.
>>68155313>You realized firefight sounds and horses have been there for half a millenium, right? It's not like XVIII century battles were silent affairs.>Oddly enough cavalry charges started to die off the century after, when breechloading and then machine guns were introduced.Ok, so I was wrong about gunfire spooking the horses too much, but the Cowpokes of the Wild West of the USA used plenty of Breach Loaders and Horse-mounted Cavalry actually INCREASED for the German Armed Forces in World War 2.Hell, Patton himself lamented not having them in West Africa...I think the only reason First World Militaries don't use them now is that Heavy Machine Guns are easier to mount on the mechanized platforms we now have like Motor Bikes and Helicopters...>>68155625>I think the usefulness of centaurs depends heavily on the centaur.Indeed, but they'd clearly be functional enough to have survived as a Sapient Species in the first place, implying at least some adaptability to the changes brought about by Civilizations.>>68155807>arrying more just makes you an already bigger target, and thus a bigger expense if you die and lose all that ordnance. >The key advantages a Centaur brings is speed (outpaced by vehicles), maneuverability in rough terrain, (outdone by aerial support)You're over-estimating the limitations of modern Land and Air Vehicles, missing how damaging an "infantry" force able to quickly strike against Armor and Air targets from rough terrain, at will, and able to just as effortlessly retreat back over said rough terrain would be!Fucking 'Taurs popping your Tanks and Helicopters from the foothills, costing you so much you either have to level the whole thing with explosives or go in there and clear them out ON FOOT!Six biped humanoids with an RPG each may be more tactically flexible, but it'd be expensive to have those six cover the same ground as a single Centaur with a box of RPG rounds.
>>68156159Except it only increased for the Germans because they lacked the ability to properly motorize they’re army with supply trucks. There were times where they’re offensives would grind to a halt because the horse drawn supply lines had to catch up. Not to mention that they drained Eastern Europe dry of any horse that could pull a wagon.
>>68143014>they beat up both spetsnas and navy seals at one point>still just the JSDFOk there's propoganda and then there's insulting people's fucking intelligence.
>>68149747The author is an autistic otaku faggot, what di you expect?
>>68144488Can you point me towards said lewds?
>>68154181>What’s stopping China/Russia from nuking orange man right now?Actually, that's a very good question. What's stoping us from nukeing the bastard?
>>68156260>Except it only increased for the Germans because they lacked the ability to properly motorize they’re army with supply trucks. There were times where they’re offensives would grind to a halt because the horse drawn supply lines had to catch up. Not to mention that they drained Eastern Europe dry of any horse that could pull a wagon.Yeah, and they couldn't "properly motorize" because they also drained Eastern Europe dry of any source of Oil!Centaurs aren't winning a "Modern War" on their own, sure, but they'd be a damn hard insurgency to neutralize and I'd much rather have them as allies.Also, back to my point about how bleeding edge technology often has to be bulky in it's first combat applications: Centaurs can just carry more shit!Sure, that mostly boils down to using them as Pack Mules, but that higher carrying capacity doesn't just mean bigger gun and ammo stores, it also means technologies you couldn't otherwise saddle biped humanoid Infantry with.For instance, the tech needed to gather and nigh-instantly process Battlefield and Threat information ON SITE.Right now we can only mount that shit on vehicles because of its weight, but it'd be much easier to shrink that to Centaur carrying capacity than a human's.
>>68156608[Mikoyan] Namae ga Kimarimashita!
Fuck, does anybody remember that one 90's underground comic about a Centaur in the not!Wehrmacht? I think the guy was known as the Black Major on account of his black fur and the war ended with all technologly fadeing to dust and everybody getting turned into freakshow attractions.
>>68144488>>68144509>>68144523>>68144550>eyepatch on her right eye>>68144535>eyepatch on her left eyeDammit sempai!
>>68143125What about kobolds, goblins, and hobgoblins?Very interesting thus far and seems to add up
>>68143125Giants would have mobile artillery down first though by virtue of being able to use artillery pieces as longarms, and for that period their infantry would outrange their puny counterparts so badly it wouldn't even be funny. A rifle brigade for them would be a creeping artillery barrage that would wreck their human contemporaries utterly with a spotter.
>>68147934hmm, maybe 2 bombs weren't enough after all.
>>68149702a half man half spider would be mental as a scout sniper.
>>68157144Probably part cat-girl.
>>68150479The only example I know of would be the Alaskan rangers when their snowmobiles break down (happens more than you think). But in that environment, it's more about staying ahead and starving the Russkies/Chinese/kebabs.
>>68142271Centaurs would be fucking amazing in support roles, they can carry a lot of weight and move quickly, and don't have the maintenance and fuel needs of vehicles.
>>68143125>size matters less in the age of firearmsBig guys can carry big guns and lots of gear and ammo. One goliath can accompany a squad and hip fire an M2, that can make a huge difference.
>>68143014>I, A UNITED STATES SPECIAL FORCES OFFICER, AM POWERLESS IN THE FACE OF THE INVINCIBLE **JSDF**!!!actual quote from the manga
>>68154317I LOVE THE BLACK COMPANYSUCH A GREAT SERIES
>>68141968I put the thread up on the archive.
>>68150041Anons here keep presuming that centaurs somehow adhere to real world horse biology.They're a goddamn fantasy species. Their biology literally makes no fucking sense from the perspective of real world science. If centaurs exist, then the only way they would do so is because they have anatomy that literally operates under different principles to anything seen on Earth or because they are made out of biological bullshittium ala modern Kaiju.In which case, all bets are off.That's one of the things that piss me off about GATE so much; there is no reason that fantasy creatures/races SHOULD be inherently vulnerable to modern military tech or tactics. If they are magical enough, then being equal or superior to tech is perfectly justifiable. Dragons that operate on the scale of kaiju, sorcerous spells that function like improved versions of nukes, protective wards that will eat a full clip of aircraft-grade gatling gun fire without even flinching...All of this shit can sway the favor right into magic's ball court, because magic EXISTS to tell reality where to get fucked.
>>68156692When the Nazi started invading Russia, they disrespected every rules of war and slaughtered, raped, and maimed the Russians. To them, unlike for the Britt, those were subhumans, and there was no need to respect the rules of war, they were going to win anyway.But then the tide changed, and when they found themselves on the receiving end of an invasion, they realized that after what they've done, the Russian would treat them as badly as they did. They hoped the rest of allied nations will reach Berlin first (it didn't happen), because if not there would be serious consequences.It's the whole principle behind a codified war. If you break the rules and show yourself to be a bastard, nobody will cover for you if it's done to you. If you nuke a country, nobody will give a shit about you, and nuke you back. So you keep the nuke down.
>>68159709Damn,I was just shitposting, but that's actually a quite reasonable response.
>>68141968I'm not very well versed in modern tactics but from what I know terrain is everything and the basic problem of warfare is occupying hills.So most of the problems that modern infantry face is moving heavy shit on top of hills.That's why dwarves, orcs, giants, miniotaurs - everything that's more enduring than a human would probably dab on everything else in infantry.Elves would probably be the best generals - assuming they can adapt to modern tactics - accumulated lifetimes of skills would pretty much make them the ultimate strategists.Centaurs have problems with terrain and wouldn't see much use outside of specialized operations.Halflings, gnomes etc would probably be used in tanks, submarines - everywhere where their small size would be an asset.Magic users would probably adapt to every situation and most roles - controlling or divination weather, battlefield spells and having a miniature artillery/sniper would be pretty neat.Kobolds, orcs and races that can subsume on substandard fare and tough terrain would make the core of special forces.
>>68154248Yeah, but it's still a disappointment. Like, Hollywood has a lot of problem, but at least they can sometime criticize their own country and tone down the wanking.
>>68148782>basically Boston Dinamics logistical walkerI dig that.
>>68149446>hooves on soft terrainShiggy diggy
>>68141968>>68151064>Not Dwarfs in kv2's
>>68143125>unless they adapt hugely but then they're not really elvesThe fuck? One of elves' main deals is being the best craftsmen in Arda. The plot of the Silmarillion basically revolves around it.
>>68144609Cop Craft. It's premise is a high-fantasy continent is teleported to a modern earth. Humans try to annex it, your scenario happens in response. Truce is declared. After that fantasy creatures try to assimilate into the US with varying results.
>>68162196>Cop Craft. I was hyped for this show, but than the quality dropped mad after a few episodes.
>>68154384In manga she is six foot bear of a woman.
>>68142271Centaurs could find second life in a logistics role. Maybe serving as communal pack mules for their squad as they redeploy?
>>68155625>live off of anything greenEven pony has to eat something like 10k in kcal. May be they could gulp down that much stuff but their teeth are not gonna hold up for long chewing that.Horses that you put to any kind of work NEED to be fed grain and quite a lot of.
>>68162454Yeah, but the manga tried to make more sense than the LN and Anime. Just like a lot of character, her appearance in the anime is closer to that of the LN.
>>68160364There’s plenty of anime critical of Japan. We’re just not trained to see the allegory. Plenty of Japanese fantasies criticize toxic workplace culture, and plenty of shonen criticize the education system. I think overall anime also is more internationalist and in favor of different cultures- but you still get some notable xenophobic gems at the same time. There are kind of two tracts of Japanese culture dating far back- those interested in the rest of the world, and those who think the rest of the world can go fuck itself.
>>68162656True that. Gate is one of the franchises where each adaptation is very different from others. I hope that if we get life action adaptation it will be finally Generation Kill Gate as i hoped from the beginning.
>>68162862>Generation Kill Gate the what?
>>68162862>It's a live action movie, but made by hollywood and directed by Michael Bay.
>>68162656Her manga appearance is closer to the LN. Anime makes everyone much more cuter and goes for the idol aesthetic for most of the women.
>>68144609>He doesn't know why we keep the grays aroundOh man you have a LOT to learn
>>68143125The elves sound like they have the same military doctrine as the japanese.Also you do know that horse-nomads were extremely successful in the Middle Ages, Renaissance era, and persisted well into the 1800’s? Cavalry was also in extensive use through the entirety of human history up until WW1, and horses were still incredibly important in logistic roles during Ww2
>>68144033Dwarves I think would use their industry to out produce their enemy. Their troops are well supplied, they shell anything that moves for hours, and a large degree of mechanization.
>>68147934They literally don’t put their war crimes in the history books. The Rape of Nanking is called the Nanking Incident there.
>>68156692>Actually, that's a very good question. What's stoping us from nukeing the bastard?Uh, who do you mean by "Us" Anon?We in the USA have plenty of non-nuclear options for disposing of him.China doesn't want to be the ones to start World War 3 over an unliked idiot, even if they'd probably come out on top.Russia is getting huge returns on their investment, why remove such an easily swayed asset?>>68157984>Anons here keep presuming that centaurs somehow adhere to real world horse biology.>They're a goddamn fantasy species. Their biology literally makes no fucking sense from the perspective of real world science. If centaurs exist, then the only way they would do so is because they have anatomy that literally operates under different principles to anything seen on Earth or because they are made out of biological bullshittium ala modern Kaiju.Well you're partially right in that Centaurs wouldn't be limited to real world Equine Physiology, but they can probably still function under Earth's Biology and Physics.>>68159709>It's the whole principle behind a codified war. If you break the rules and show yourself to be a bastard, nobody will cover for you if it's done to you. If you nuke a country, nobody will give a shit about you, and nuke you back. So you keep the nuke down.Plus Nukes tend to result in (Irradiated) Scorched Earth, such that poisoning the land that badly just end up as a big FUCK YOU to everyone for the next eon or so.>>68161528>>basically Boston Dinamics logistical walker>I dig that.>>68162477>Centaurs could find second life in a logistics role. Maybe serving as communal pack mules for their squad as they redeploy?Well they'd probably have a bit more specialized training than that.Human+ senses, for instance, would make them excellent spotters, and they'd be easily able to heft the equipment needed for up to the millisecond Battlefield Analysis......But yeah, poor bastards are going to be stereotyped as the Platoon Mule.
>>68163717>FUCK YOU to everyone for the next eon or so.Is roughly 5 years an eon now?
>>68149265You think the Japanese can tell the difference between Afro-Americans and afro-Europeans at a glance?
>>68162862A day that did not require reaching for longbow was a good one.
>>68141968God yes, Mikoyan futa.
>>68162601>>live off of anything green>Even pony has to eat something like 10k in kcal. May be they could gulp down that much stuff but their teeth are not gonna hold up for long chewing that.>Horses that you put to any kind of work NEED to be fed grain and quite a lot of.Honestly this is why I'd figure Centaurs would have evolved to be primarily CARNIVORES, but as this plays more into their mythological role as master nomadic hunters it seems pretty fitting.>>68162862>>68162905>>Generation Kill Gate >the what?Nah man, give me Generation Slay; Grunt from a Modern Military in a Fantasy World is Isekai'd into our mundane one and tries to regal us with tales of what active deployment is like in his world.>>68163534>Dwarves I think would use their industry to out produce their enemy. Their troops are well supplied, they shell anything that moves for hours, and a large degree of mechanization.Yeah, Dwarven Industry would be the backbone of any War Machine.If your troops aren't being equip via Dwarven Mass Production, you better have the best damn Tacticians on the Plane.
>>68163717I mean, maybe if they nukes Trumpo while he’s on a state visit to their own country, they could get away with it.
>>68163885you know it comrade
An important question that hasn't been adressed yet: Knife-ears have another distinctive trait besides being agile, tree loving quasi-immortals. The ears themselves. How would fantasy species cope with senses magnitudes above us 'umies in a war that is as loud and flashy as a modern one?inb4 elves are autists that can't handle sensory overloads and need hug boxes back in their tree tops
>>68156692The Americans elected him and they’re the only ones who could remove him—the result of the last attempt was a humiliating defeat.He Chinese don’t care.The Russians don’t care.Nobody else has the power to really do anything.
>>68164215I mean the Russians like him since Trump isn’t checking their bad behavior and abdicating his NATO duties. Chinese probably want him removed to end the trade wars. Probably they’ll have a hack-off come election season.
>>68163746>Is roughly 5 years an eon now?I didn't know the fallout from a ground burst decayed that quickly, but that's still half a decade you can't safely use that land and how many more that people aren't going to want to live there.>>68163943>I mean, maybe if they nukes Trumpo while he’s on a state visit to their own country, they could get away with it....Why waste the Nuke then?Just have some poison Special Sauce at the ready and wait for him to order a Big Mac.>>68164128>The ears themselves. How would fantasy species cope with senses magnitudes above us 'umies in a war that is as loud and flashy as a modern one?>inb4 elves are autists that can't handle sensory overloads and need hug boxes back in their tree topsWell the most obvious is ear plugs, but yeah they'd probably be the first to develop protections for hearing and sight.>>68164215>the result of the last attempt was a humiliating defeatYou mean the Mid-terms?Where we flipped two Red Seats to Blue here in IOWA, BEFORE the stupid trade wars sunk the farm economy?
It's funny when the tranny that can't even tell a ponos from a vajambo thinks it can realpolitik
>>68164284The Russians were going to win Syria and the Ukraine no matter what happened, and on the economic side of things they’ve got no more reason to like him than the Chinese.That said, not liking a leader means nothing in geopolitics, because diplomacy is not really a personality contest. Once the foreign policy is established whoever follows will usually end up continuing where the last guy left off. So assassinating a rival state’s leader basically never happens in the modern world.
>>68164294Yes. That was a humiliating defeat. You don’t know much about the Midterms, do you? Look at what happened to Obama during his first midterms.But no I was talking about the hysterical flop that was the Mueller investigation.
>>68164393I doubt Pence would be so outwardly friendly to Russia. It’s just bad optics, and he can’t tank bad optics like Trumpo. Sure Moscow Mitch will stay friendly, but he can’t be as friendly as he is under Trump. The Russians also enjoy an idiot in the White House because it makes America less effective and they consider that a category good. >>6816440840+ house members have backed impeachment since Muellera testimony. It’s a slow build but I don’t think we can quite call it a flop anymore.
>>68164475>A-a-any day now!W E W
>>68164475There is nothing wrong with having positive relations with Russia. We TRIED very hard under Obama to do so. Nobody has yet explained to me what the Russians are doing that is wrong besides thwarting CIA backed revolutions in their allies’ countries.It seems deeply hypocritical to pretend to be offended about the Crimea right after we pulled Kosovo.As for Impeachment, that’s a joke. There’s no content there, it’s just hysteria.
>>68164534Russia is interfering with our and allies investigation, invaded Ukraine, is rigidly antidemocratic, and it’s plain stupid to let them do whatever they want without consequence. Maintain good relations, but don’t let them go unpunished. Call it hysteria- we are getting to the point where impeachment is inevitable- now that doesn’t mean he’ll get convicted or that it will damage him politically, but both the votes and the will are there in the house.
>>68164576*interfering in our elections I mean.
>>68164408>You don’t know much about the Midterms, do you?"Oh noes, the Democrats only won a House Majority and didn't flip a Senate that can't do anything without a Super Majority anyways!">I was talking about the hysterical flop that was the Mueller investigation.>>68164475>40+ house members have backed impeachment since Mueller testimony. It’s a slow build but I don’t think we can quite call it a flop anymore.Yeah, isn't actually nailing Trump for his campaign's criminal misconduct the entire point of Mueller's Investigation?Boss Don might not be facing charges NOW thanks to DoJ bullshit, but Mueller is a Republican actually willing to see Justice done right.If it get's the bastard out of office faster, that's just a bonus.