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And the Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cDqaDJykx2hYP3gO3wNrknAajH5yyWKePk47ZFdkKqw/edit?usp=drivesdk

It is set up so it can be edited so add relevant stuff from prior threads if your up for it.

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>Foundries of Man 7.62 EM-2
>the chosen arm of a true nobleman

Last thread now archived for future reference http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/66321936/
Also link here whilst it’s in main archive >>66321936

Another anon mentioned white/red rose alliances, so who is working with the kingdoms? Just some minor border groups? Warwick have made a point of neutrality

>>66380143
I put that down because the Anon doing TWOTR mentioned how the two states have alliances with local minor kingdoms.

>>66380475
it appears currently the monks of Turing are closet allies of York, the isle of man is a closet ally of Lancaster. there are no named kingdoms to the south, so that remains open for the most part no one allies with the two because they have their own claim or are waiting for an end to the war.

>this could be a quest for the players

>>66380526
I wonder if Edinborough isn't siding in secret with someone or some of the far south aren't secretly supplying one side over the other.

>>66380569
could be playing both sides.

>>66380526
There's also irish, Welsh and scottish interests likely in the war. After all whoever wins controls a good sized chunk of England.

>>66380601
>>66380569
I think someone mentioned Kernow trading with both sides for profit
It’s definitely a good time for mercenaries and people selling weapons
And for SAS fighting rad wizards inside of dead zones

>>66380143
New Castle is unaligned, being a sort of Border guard/Spartan Ranger/Night's Watch(?) sort of faction, but the Yorkists grudgingly respect them for their drive and determination.

>>66380714
Yeah, we definitely need to develop the SAS much more, I'm surprised they haven't been more yet, barring the whole aforementioned "SAS fighting Radwizards" motif

>>66380740
I thought New Castle was a bit more of a coherent entity that's just trying to sort its own shit out first like dealing with the Zone thats right by them and getting canals running?

>>66380763
Yeah, all we have currently is that the Men of Stirling (up for renaming, that one was thrown together on the spot before) were drawn towards the war along with the highlanders after the desert rats were wiped out, having some sort of comradery between them, they have been dangerously trekking through dead zones in order to ambush and harass the enemy from behind, and mess with their supply lines
Lancashire has turned to recruiting rad wizards, including those of the infamous gathering in Bath who would join, along with some rather dodgy means of enhancing their footmen
The rad wizards are being attempted as a counter to the Stirling raids, as they always withdraw back into the dead zones after an attack, where following them is too hazardous, save for rad wizards who are experienced in surviving and fighting in them

>>66380981
Being a prestigious mercenary group derived from the old world military, they would likely have some good weapons, including more modern guns
Tactics would be focussed around stuff like ambushing the enemy through a dead zone, given their skills in stealth and navigation

More bizarre artifacts from the mainland, found in the hands of the Cornish or acquired from Cornish traders:
>A compass with a needle that points in the direction of the nearest Zone.
>A crystal radio that can be used to tune in on conversations occurring within a ten mile radius.
>An iron lung that rejuvenates its occupant, as long as it's powered.
>Horn rimmed eyeglasses that grant vision of what occurred exactly one hour ago.

>>66381620
Nice, if the Cornish ever pursue Arthurian claims they will have a lot of strange still to fall back on when fighting Caerleon
We also had that stuff on master-smithed zone metal and the costly things that could be made with it, any ideas on any more of those?
>>66317558 >>66317874 >>66318456

>>66381783
some real world legends from America about a single action army that always shoots to kill (dead man's gun).

there is one about a rifle that won't kill the innocent.

>the famed bullet with your name on it, prevents you from dieing from a gunshot.

a sun rock that always knows north, good for zones as they can mess up a compass.

a teddy bear that will protect the innocent from harm, by turning into a golem.

>>66380787
Yeah, but their sort of shtick was they're the ones manning (at least part of) Hadrian's wall. Or that's what I think we agreed on so far.
>>66380981
Nice, like an idiot I hadn't put "Men of Stirling" and the SAS together. Some sort of fixed base or key locations/allies might be worth developing, as might leaders or important members. I seem to recall they've joined the Yorkists, but is there anyone else they may have worked for?

>>66382099
I haven’t really tried to do characters aside from stuff like King Edward so far, but could have something like the title of Stirling being passed down between leaders
Could have the same sort of ancestor worship going that many of the old army-derived mercs do
For allies I would say good comradery with the Highlanders, as “Sons of Monty” along with any others who did stuff in Africa back in ww2, but that was just one idea for tying some merc groups together
Location-wise i has been thinking that they were largely nomadic, moving between jobs without a static base, but we could come up with one
Current employ is the Yorkists, but could say that they’ve had various jobs recovering very valuable stuff from dead zones along with normal hiring by smaller nations over the years, in which they have improved their art of navigating zones
I think I might try to get some sleep now, let’s try to keep this going, will add more in the morning

>>66381783
Caerleon can have its metalworking expertise, but the strength of the Cornish should like in its haphazard stockpile of experimental technology and Zone-touched artifacts, all looted from Europe. No two of Kernow's elite should be armed in the same way and they probably have a very 'cobbled together' aesthetic, more than any other faction. I wouldn't be shocked if one or two of their core settlements (I'd suggest Truro or Launceston) are early 20th century in terms of infrastructure, albeit heavily reliant on continued imports from the ruins of Europe.

>>66382270
Yeah, I'll probably also hit the sack soon. The Men of Stirling and Son's of Monty comradeship seems pretty cool.
Perhaps as well as unit leaders, more romanticised roles could develop-
>Master of the Armory-responsible for the making/quality controlling of Sten guns for which the Stirling are famous
>Captain of the Range-lead sniper, generally the best shot, in charge of the most accurate soldiers in the unit
>Fairbairn-Syke's Son-in charge of the scouts and the CQC training of the Stirling (or alternatively Fairbairn-Psyker: a fucking knife wielding SAS mind wizard!)

got a question from last thread what is a Morgan mount?
>>66377034

>>66383160
I would realistically see them riding "hogzillas" the boars are nimble enough to make it through rough terrain and have thick hides. they are like a buff version of the typical "Texan ponies" they would have ridden.

>>66383160
I think they might mean Morgan as in the breed of horse

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>>66383331
forgot the pic

>>66383357
Yup before Texan horses were used Morgan bloodlines were Calvary horses and also were work horses. They're a sturdy small breed that can be used for a lot of roles. A warmblood is a group of horse breeds that are massive and very high strubg typically.

>>66383436
ok, I just don't know horses that well, we didn't use many up in the mountains, more of cattle folk. we just used whatever wild horse we caught. (literally there are one or two unclaimed horses still running around the state)

>>66383331
Problem,is hogs are aggressive and stubborn and liable to eat you. Besides riding a horse is something that people know. You'd have to basically retrain and create a whole skill set and, hogs though quick wouldn't deal well with being a pack animal, or a rider.

>>66383489
I picked up a bit of horse know how from work. Morgans, standardbreds or even Dutch warmbloods would likely work the best and Morgan horses are of the three a true warhorse breed.

>>66383528
exept we breed hogs a lot in the states, they won't eat you if they are fed "enough" and they wouldn't grow either. you make a hog fat by overfeeding you make a hog musclar by feeding him emough, they wouldn't eat you if they are tame they would just annoy the hell out of you until you feed them, just like dog mounts. the wild breed would but a half breed is fine, matter of fact ended up taming some by accident we a sow and her litter made it at home in my back yard.

>>66383966
True but that's not a work animal at least not a draft or riding animal. There's certain requirements you're gonna need for that sort of task. Pig also can't cover ground like a horse can.

>>66384024
not on an open plain, the are good for dense forest, urban, and difficult terrain, their cloven hoof provides a better variable grip, this is why rams live better in the mountains. I expect they would have both but reserve the hog riders for the zones where there are broken buildings every where.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloven_hoof

>>66384024
the reason pigs aren't draft animals is because the breed is normally too small, but a larger "dire boar" would be large enough and after gelding isn't that much different than a normal draft horse. it would be like riding an oxen that you can control, powerful, not fast, but able to out do you on difficult terrain.

>>66384024
now that I think about it maybe that can be the European confederation thing, as a unique shock Calvary.

>>66384417
How would you halter it though? You're talking about having to devise a whole new training system and set of saddlery to deal with it. A horse makes sense especially if it's occurring during the fifties when there were plenty of them still in use in rural countryside

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>>66384509
>halter
depends on the breed, some you can halter like a horse, others you need another strap around the collar with a slight lift to the rear of the saddle.

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>>66384589
this is the wild boar variant. last pic is a domestic pig. FYI this is the most extreme shoulder ridge.

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>>66384631
fantasy example of a saddle.

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>>66384509
lot of pigs too, they used the lard as a lube and man did they need lube. I assumed the zone stuff gave them a slight mutation, gigantism is a normal effect of radiation induced mutation.

also useful to just drug up the pigs and let them run in as a shock force, as per the roman doctrine.

>>66384756
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogzilla

not the same pig as the one in the above pig but this should shed some light on some actual stats

here is the one in the pic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Pig

>>66384953
>Entelodont

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entelodont

closest extinct species with the right dimensions, inside the same sub-order, but more closely related to hippos and early non-aquatic whales.

>>66384509
a group of rough rides are making their way back to Dover after their patrol was done, stopping by a German pig farm they remark at how large the pigs are. they bring the farmer out and ask him how he grows them, his reply was, "don' know just found them like that." they joke saying his "American" is very good. they in a cheerful mood remark over Theodore Roosevelt and how he used to ride a bull moose. the game was on, they all took their saddles and mounted the pig trying to break it in.

>>66385376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pig

link to the roman war pig page.

boars of London:
Along the London meridian lurk great boars, the color of rust. Their tusks as long as an arming sword. These beasts are feared among gleaners for its vicious nature. Charging and goring men before they know what's hit them. Its thick hide and barbed quills upon its back protect and drive away close attacks. The tusks can slay a horse with a toss of its head, throwing men with ease.

But, the hide is prized for armor and tusks for ivory. And, it's dangerous temper make it a favored hunt of nobles across the land. It's said the blood drank gives the imbiber strength well beyond human limits but at the cost of growing rabid and lashing out those around them. Repeated use however results in the curse taking hold.

>>66385979
Nice stuff! Wonder what other sorts of nasty wildlife could be roaming the countryside’s and forests of the isles

>>66380763
Well naturally they'd be in the shadows

Since were on the topic of it, wonder if any of the radiation or folklorish stuff happening could affect mounts, give rare cases of more powerful or capable steeds, or if it’s just limited to some lunatic being rich enough to commission some light but surprisingly tough horse armour from zone-metals

>>66391073
Also, any ideas on the thread question?
Seems like Yorkshire would dislike anyone challenging their King’s claim, same with Lancashire’s claims to being the successor of England
Kernow is generally isolationist aside from trading, as people will pay so much for their loot from across the channel

>>66391073
I could picture someone trying a failing to create a zone breed. Maybe the horned men ride strange horses or Wights do?

>>66391073
based on the evolution of horses, there would be

>"toed horses" horses with several toes instead of one, able to move better on rough terrain but loses the benefit of fast movement on the open plain.

>trunk-ed horses, horses that have short trunks, pretty much useless but can make it easier to eat aquatic plants and roots.

horns to armed growths aren't likely as the horse's genetics make that very hard to manifest.

We've already determined the Turning Monks fill their monasteries with computers pieced together from old-world technological detritus, running calculations as prayers.
>What if something answered them?
>One monastery's computer responds by unpromptedly printing out legible and relevant statements.
>Type or plug in a microphone and talk and you can carry on a conversation with it.
>Nobody's really sure what it is. The God the Turning Monks worship? Some kind of AI? The result of building a computer with some of its components scavenged from Zones?

>>66391222
>>66391231
Nice, I could see the horned memoirs risky using some unnatural steeds
Toed horses could be useful for navigating dead zones, especially ones in old cities now full of debris
Trunked horses could be more common around certain areas

>>66391257
Ok, that right there is great, and also adds potential for stuff like a Turing Schism between traditionalists focuses on old-age tech, and Radicalists who believe that their zone-tainted technology is the way forward, as they jam more zone-materials and tech into things, even one or two shock troops

>>66391257
The Order though fascinated keeps this secret. In many eyes this is possibly a heresy and, though outwardly unidied the order does have it's own in fighting to deal with.

>>66391275
best bet is a mutated moose. the deer population is a little more open to wild mutations and post apolitical looking mounts.

>reindeer + viking

>>66391331
Yeah, mutated meese would kick ass, and fit well

>>66391367
>I don't think rodents get that big.

>>66391257
>>66391298
>>66391312
A mechanical Oracle. It makes predictions. Accurate ones.

>>66391411
Don't forget that one mad Turing monk that joined a cult in one of the smaller islands. Imagine a huge Wicker Man made of bundles of wires, that moves to crush a Horned Men raiding crew by power of electricity coursing through it and its live sacrifice inside it.

>>66391411
Ok, loving this idea
Radical Turingists following the words of a computer tainted with zone-corruption and developing a schism
Radicalists could start doing stuff like taking some rather pious “knights of the faith”, and jamming all sorts of twisted, zone-corrupted substances and tech into them to make real monsters of men
Any other ideas for radicalist Turing stuff?

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The Turning Oracle tells its followers how to build machinery. They don't understand what they're putting together or how it functions and it tends to use scavenged materials from Zones, but it works.
>Addons to the Oracle mainframe. Armor. Prosthesis. Weapons.

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>>66391442
Found an image that fits how the Wired Man fights.

>>66391512
>too far too fast

>>66391525
>>66391442
>A sacrifice is cast into the steel giant to give life to it for some time
Hell yeah, that’s great

>>66391512
an AI running on 50s computers would barely be able to give accurate predictions, the old world nations would recognize this rapid growth then accuse the monks of Turing of performing heretical rad-wizardry.

you don't gain that much without a "blood price."
>>66391547
>too far too fast

>>66391583
Not the same anon, but I’d say that it isn’t a traditional ai they’ve got working, but some sort of product of tainted tech and parts being used in the expansion of a holy computer, definitely unnatural, thus the belief by some that they have found god

>>66389497
Massive Badgers! Vicious and unpredictable, these rad-mutated beasts burst from their sets to maul unwary patrols, and are even capable of taking on whole fire teams of rifle or sword armed troops by themselves!

>>66391625
These badgers seem a bit more honeyish than I remember, but that sounds great!
Also this leaves me in fear of what an irradiated honey badger could do

>>66391614
>the rule of computing applies

it wouldn't matter if you want more rad magic for this you would need to kill a lot of people.

I grant it is possible to make a rad-magic based AI-computer, but it wouldn't be able to learn and compute fast enough to make leaps in technological development. in the fallout universe this made sense because of the high tier tech development per-war, but there is not basis in this universe.

I don't care if they found the actual reincarnation of Jesus Christ, cool your heels.

>>66391614
The fucking thing wants human sacrifices, or at the very least, provides detailed instructions for how to create supernatural machines powered by human sacrifices.

>>66391648
God, dread to think it! Even regular Badgers can get pretty fierce if threatened, so pumping them full of mutation would probably bring them up to Honey-esque levels of ferocity

>>66391649
I’m not going for leaps and bounds in normal tech, just thought the zone-tainted unnatural “god” saying true things would be cool, and could lead to those who believe in its holiness trying to do more with zone-tainted stuff, a bit like >>66391653
Maybe some are so mad as to think that to jam their bodies full of zone-substances and tainted tech is to become closer to god

>>66391688
I can accept it if it is a price paid in blood, and lot of innocent blood and virgin sacrifices. this would provide the narrative price for rapid development.

>>66391688
>mathematics
>mathematics
>mathematics
>mathematics
>the Horned Man raid will take place at eleven am tomorrow
"What"
>mathematics
>mathematics
>mathematics
>mathematics

>>66391706
Radicalists becoming more depraved and doing stuff like sacrificing captives to the computer in demands for knowledge as they destroy their humanity would be cool, and very much give reason for the schism

>>66391688
>>66391713
No conversations. Just in-between normal calculations, the computer sometimes suddenly prophesizes.
>As for tech, why not have it be entirely focused on the computer. It'll tell its followers to build machinery of unclear function and connect it to itself. Nothing immediately useful.

>>66391727
>>66391721
>>66391713
Yeah, that sounds good
No direct conversations, the worsening sacrifices and ritual are to try and beseech it to give useful information

>>66391727
Or it begins listing off specific items and locations from the old world?

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>>66391727
>As for tech, why not have it be entirely focused on the computer. It'll tell its followers to build machinery of unclear function and connect it to itself. Nothing immediately useful.
The machinery is beginning to form an odd shape, with the original computer at its heart. It'll become the Wire Man.

>>66391751
Stuff like the “god” randomly outputting some coordinates or directions could be cool, no clue what is at the end of the directions, only that it could be something valuable or important

>>66391688
a lot of this is post 80s tech >>66391688

it should in theory take about 100 years to catch back up to 1950s tech before you can make any kind of advancement. and then all the tech made in the 1960s should take all of 50 years to research and implement, the 1970s 25, the 1980s, 12.5 then 1990s would be on track.

so it would have to at minimum be 200 years before you implement half that stuff.

The computer isn't an AI somehow running on eighties tech, it's an supernatural effigy for Something to speak through.

>>66391815
>the rule of computing applies
>tech for the tech god
>blood for the blood god
>no fun for the no fun god

>>66391780
I think we were thinking of this more in terms of the monks making ww2-just post ww2 number crunching machines and working to expand them and slowly improve them as their entire purpose in life, their literal religion being based around it, and the sometimes amongst the mathematics something unnatural comes out

>>66391830
that is not how science works, it is slow and takes a lot of time and resources. the scaling I made is a description of literally the amount of time it would take to progress, it is based on the technological dark age post fall of Rome.

>the rule of computing

they would have to spend a lot of time trying out the little things and with every "leap" there are great consequences.

>prostesis
with the rapid experimentation to create workable prosthesis without the extensive knowledge of 1980s metallurgy or plastics there are a lot of deaths on the operating table a lot of people die in less than a year because the iron hearts rust and stop functioning.

you have a bias because you live in a world where we know, they don't you should look up some of the ideas they had about the world in the 1950s, and they are starting from a retarded version of that.

>>66391830
This is where I was going it's less how we understand q computer and more a giant calculation engine that spits an answer out. They're not computers like we understand in a modern sense,

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>>66391877
Anon I haven’t been talking about prostheses, I was talking about a computer built and developed over many years by a religious group derived from Alan Turing and others, occasionally as result of unnatural and dare I say fantastical shit being jammed into it, giving out some brief information like >>66391713

>>66391886
Yeah, what with the Turing origins I was thinking of Collosus-ish machines gradually being expanded upon over many years by the monks

>>66391911

this
>>66391512

advancing in one feild does not automatically translate to advancement in other feilds,

we knew about matrices 150 years ago, but did not start applying them to science until a few years ago when we started making computers in the 1980s.

the supernatural source is adherent to the law of computing, you most either expend a great resource, or a great amount of time to break this curve, then and only can you trade one form of scientific progress for another.

you cannot build the great works and make great advances with a great amount of input

the reason we have advanced so fast is because of information management. to suggest that such a leap could be made breaks down empirical thought and disproves the scientific method itself.

how do I know that what I am experiencing is my own thoughts and feelings and not those of a daemon trying to trick me?

>BTW I hope this is helpful to the DMs

>>66392014
I’m not the prosthetics anon, I’m just talking about old 40s-50s computers, I’ll call them number crunching machines if that’s better, that haven’t really advanced in tech, just gotten bigger over time as the monks salvage more resources

>>66392049
if the computer is basically an oracle it fits the narrative, but to push beyond that requires either a great amount of time, or "blood sacrifice."

>>66392076
Isn’t is just a rather finnicky oracle, spurring out some brief but correct information in between number crunching results?
Whether blood sacrifice actually increases the frequency of this information or if the radicalist monks are just starting to go insane from embracing all of this radiation and zone-tainted stuff could be interesting

>>66391934
It is said by the Monks that their holy Oracle Mainframe, housed now in the holy city of Wexford, is a relic from the Old World: A powerful Bomb, designed by Saint Turing himself, a weapon to win the Penultimate War, that could pluck the thoughts of the Great Enemy from the very Air it travelled through.
With precious little data to feed it and keep it running however, the First Chapter of the Monks redesigned, retrofit, and updated the Bomb, originally with only well tested, understood parts, but as the maintenance and supply situation became more and more dire over the years, Zone-derived parts and methods gradually became the norm in keeping the Saints legacy alive and running. After lifetimes of anomalous patches, no one man could tell any other how the machine worked, and the whirring, sparking innards defied any attempts to enter and learn, until one day scarce 20 years ago...

It spoke.
(cont.)

>>66392076
the "blood sacrifice" is basically just boosting the computer's processing power using the "sacrifice"'s brain as a conduit. Of course, since the numbers it's crunching is staggeringly huge, of course the "sacrifice" isn't going to last very long.

>>66392125
Routed through many subsystems to a grainy, mysterious speaker that nobody could remember installing, an endless patchwork of voices from dead men and women were strung together, very little in the familiar tongue of the Isles, most being a harsh, barking language, not understood by any in Wexford, nor any of its dozen outlying monasteries in Ireland.
Not much more can be understood of this language other than times and locations, however whenever an expedition is sent to investigate, strange, almost prescient things occur. A place name is given, down to a specific bombed out house, wherin starter motors are found and retrived, only for such a device to fail on the machine scarcely two days later. Hauntingly clear screams and wails are heard moments before news comes of a death of the Bishop of a foreign mission. Crackles of flame, and the rushing of the sea, before an abnormally large raid from the Horned Men. Some are amazed by the wisdom shown by the Oracle, but others (blasphemers all) believe that it isn't the bringer of information, but is itself the cause of catastrophe.
Charred pages from dusty textbooks are the best translation available to the Monks, and it seems that of the very few words that can be made comprehensible, all promise of great learning and riches, but never enough is revealed to be of any use. Entire Chapters have been lost in doomed Cornish expeditions to the Lost Continent, with nothing to show of it other than the increased fervor of the few maddened survivors.

Like all of the ideas for “god”, could use all of them as differing accounts of the madness going on within the fortified grand-monastery of the radicalists, or perhaps have it gradually turn from starting with odd but correct outputs through to the end point as more and more corrupted parts are put into it, some say captives are fused into the machine until they burn out

>>66392388
I mean the main body of the order isn't grimdark to the extreme like that. I could picture say a Dublin or zone based cult that's cobbed together a 'wire man' from the various bits of Zone stuff.

>>66392424
I think we should stick to the wire man being more of a wicker man analogue on a small island perhaps
It is pretty grimdark with the end result, at the very least they do need to start doing more crazy stuff with zone-resources, enough to cause a schism

>>66392458
True I do like that perhaps the Wexford Computer is after all these years of cobbling spitting weird stuff out to those that pray at its alter.

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-4511
>SCP-4511's left flank contains a thin 5cm-long slit that, upon certain conditions being met, will print an index card carrying a series of instructions.

Keepers of the Light:

Upon the craggy islands and coasts lay the light-keepers towers. These austere structures stand watch over the coastlines. Great beacon fires or electric lights burn to guide ships to safe ports of call. These are tended by the lightkeepers the bastard sons of nobility or those charged with petty crimes. It is an exiles post snd those that serve the Light Keepers know that, to leave would be a fate worse than death for they stand against the horrors of the Sea. Ships manned by them venture out to drive back the beasts harpoon and depth charges at the ready.

>>66392608
Nice stuff
Seems like those lights would attract nasties over time, lighthouses being turned into sorts of small forts that have to hold out against beasts through the night sounds neat

>>66392750
Maybe that could be a new purpose for them: well defended locations to lure sea-beasties, away from coastal towns.

>>66392766
That sounds good
>Being sent to the lightkeepers can often be a thinly veiled death sentence
>Those that do last until they have served a lengthy sentence and replacements are found make for bitter, capable fighters

So what sort of other madness do the radical Turingists start doing once thing start to go downhill?
The idea of “knights of the faith” being glorified human experimentation with zone-corruption sound good?

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alrighty. finally browsing one of these on my pc and not tablet, meaning i can dump art.

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>>66393124
goddamned imposed delay. Fuck you yoshimoot.

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>>66393142

>>66392856
I can see an extremist sect seeking to find ways to Co-opt Zone powers for their end while more orthodox members simply study it to better defeat it.

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>>66393154
i don't think any of these have been dropped before, at least in this thread.

>>66393169
Those are all new here, thanks anon!
>>66393164
Could have the traditionalists keep more of their old-age knowledge in priority, whilst the radicalists rely more and more on mad abuse of zone-substances as they get worse and worse

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>>66393169
Also while I'm here, re: the WotR 2: Radioactive Boogaloo, Warwickshire's attitude to both Yorkist and Lancastrian is "A plague on both your houses!"
Mainly because they feel squabbling over who gets to be King at this point is futile, hence the isolationism, which is sliding more towards avoiding the north and trying to get in good with other Midland/Southern polities.

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>>66393284
some of these are a bit out of aesthetic but i guess some people could be going full romaboo in their setup.

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>>66393209
They had best watch out for folks called Tybalt!
>>66382039
Nice stuff, anyone else got some ideas for stuff like that, valued items in the hands of high ups in nations?

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>>66393396
and a few that aren't out of my dystopia or anachronism folders

>>66393293
Romanish stuff could work for the people defending Hadrians wall

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>>66393431
these're all just ones from my med/fantasy folder that i feel match the setting. your mileage may vary.

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>>66393542
if your lords managed to score the contents of historical armouries you're rolling in this.

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>>66392834
I like it. Its probably the sort of thing regardless of nation people contribute too. Knights who've messed up big time might go there or political rivals framed for crimes. You're not there for life but maybe for say 5 years?

Nice stuff
Should we put that Turing schism stuff in Ireland to help flesh out stuff going on over there?
Also, seeing that things started to fall apart by 1950-51, what are the odds the Order have access to transistors?
If not, then I think we have the perfect goal for a Turing crusade

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>>66393596
Horned Man (the native kind, rather than the icelanders)

>>66393604
Yeah, five years sounds good, if they can survive their sentence

>>66393614
I'm not sure how prevalent they would have been but I would say so, the schism might manifest as several smaller heresies in essence,

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>>66393614
i'm in favour of this being a vacuum tube world, not least because monastery-filling computers are a neat idea, but a grail-quest for transistors would be an idea to investigate.

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>>66393675
for the anon talking about pigs before.

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>>66393643
Yeah, that works well
>>66393675
Transistor-grail quest sounds great for a party of Turing Monks

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>>66187548
>make Merlin a powerful Rad-wizard please, would be awesome.
>>66260329
>There could be some interesting relations there if they both claim to be the legitimate Arthurian successor
>Caerleon is easier to get to and maybe has better tech, but Dumnonia keeps finding mystical shit in Brittany
Dumnonia's big advantage is Merlin. Most rad-wizards are maddened, pitiable wretches. Merlin on the other hand, is apparently perfectly sane, perfectly capable of using rad-wizard powers and perfectly loyal to Dumnonia's Arthur.

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>>66393693
And this will be the last for now because gookmoot is now saying i've got to wait five minutes between replies.

>>66393755
Nice, we also had a possible merlin in Bath with >>66352032
If the Bath Merlin survives the WotR in the fighting against the SAS, this definitely means rad-wizard fight down the line

>>66393675
I can dig it. Imagine a cathedral where sconces are vacuum tubes and the wiring runs between them. The whole building is just a giant computer.

>>66394000
Yeah, I’m up for that idea, they can’t make things more compact so as they improve computers they get bigger and bigger to do more

>Survivors of the Keepers of the Light are few and far between, but many, with returning home a risky or unwanted idea, turn to mercenary work, using their extensive combat experience from surviving the thinly veiled death sentence of the Keepers

>>66394103
I can picture most such places eventually being whole campuses of building computers linked together,

>>66394876
It’s another reason they value holding old-age churches, and were very pleased in receiving the Minster, lots of room for computers and acting as regional headquarters

Any other ideas for groups/nations?

>>66395241
I mean the Irish/Icelanders both could use some groups to help flesh them out also should we have Turing nuns?

>>66395363
I’m not too sure about what to do for other Turing stuff, or the exact structure given the odd religion, will leave that for other anons
Icelanders do have some professional monster hunters, could flesh out some factions within the Icelanders, maybe even split them into clans like the Scots
Ireland has tons of free space, I’m not great on Irish history though, but will try to work some out

>>66393675
>>66394000
>>66394876
>>66394876
MareNostrum
https://www.cracked.com/article_24792_6-insane-workplaces-that-put-your-dumb-office-to-shame.html

>>66395581
Holy shit

>Somewhere within Cambridgeshire hides an underground hideaway from the turmoil that tears across filthy surface-dwellers
>A group of military survivors of the old-age looked to the ground below their feet for safety, spreading tunnels underground to live safe from surface terrors
>These staunch isolationists spit on the filthy backward surface dwellers who could not possibly compare to them, who now even have crude metalworking

Icelandic clans sound like a good way to expand on the main Icelanders currently fighting the Scots and Horned Men?

>>66396129
Whilst that was mostly a badly executed attempt to take a certain artilleryman’s survival plan and turn it into some crude reality, could try to turn it into something decent
>A largely tunnel-dwelling society occupying some of Cambridgeshire, the Diggers (someone please come up with a better name than I can here) are a rather isolationist group that have relied on many tunnels for save navigation of the wastes
>Where they are lacking in technology, they have made up for it in ferocity of fighting and surprising the enemy through their tunnels
>They have begun to expand into the derelict sewers of a nearby city, but face harsh resistance from it’s not-so human inhabitants, whilst the some tunnel-runners are now claiming to have encountered huge, filthy mutated moles encroaching on their land

>>66396789
I could see that. Maybe icelanders band together based on Ships as they are refugees and clung to boats to getvto safety? So an Icelander will present his given name and then say what ship he's from and his parentage after that?

>>66397906
Yeah, in all the stuff we have had the Icelanders have been fleeing Iceland after it was overtaken by giants and other such abominations
Though the fleet’s will all go to docks when the water isn’t safe normally, could have clans built around fleets like you suggested, then branching from fleets down to ships
Perhaps the most prestigious/lead clan is the one with an old aircraft carrier as a flagship/base

>>66397998
Makes sense probably the descendants of the crew that ran it,

>>66398073
I am not good at names
>The most prestigious of the Icelandic sea-clans are the flytjandi, dwellers of a huge old-age aircraft carrier, and a considerable portion of the Icelandic fleet
>They have been continuously active in the Icelandic-Scottish War, and are said to even be in possession of a small number of functioning biplanes on their flagship, though they have been hesitant to put these beloved and irreplaceable relics directly in harms way
>Their leader, Bjorn the Bastard, was seen leading the Icelandic Raiders’ first ever attack, first to step foot on dry land and claim it as Icelandic domain
>Though little is known of the state of Iceland before it’s fall, it appears that Bjorn’s title may hold some meaning, and he is contempted by some of the other clan-leaders

Our Lady of electric light:

This order of nuns originates from around the same dark days as the Order of Saint Turing. Whilst the Order catalogues snd collects the nuns build.

>>66398817
From dark days as the world the nuns fought back against the shadows, constructing shelters, and beacons in the dark. As days grew they turned towards rebuilding first hostels, and churches and in the modern day radio masts and wiring to run power for Church matters. For, the nuns know that without light the darkness shall consume.

>>66395501
>I’m not too sure about what to do for other Turing stuff, or the exact structure given the odd religion, will leave that for other anons
Maybe borrow from some of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's writings?
>God put us on Earth in his own all-powerful image. This means that not only should we transform Earth as we see fit, but that we should do our best to emulate God as well. This was shown to us by the existence of Jesus, who was both Man and God. He manipulated his environment to serve humanity (water into wine, loaves and fishes, healing the sick). Eventually, he left humanity behind and ascended beyond physical existence. We should do our best to live up to his example. God gave us intelligent minds for a reason, and that was so we could create technology which we may use to become as gods. He awaits for us to join him in an existence beyond this one. To do this, we will need to shed our basic forms while maintaining our elemental humanity, That is, we must maintain our intelligence and our love for God and each other. This is the only way we can prove our faith.
Basically, they're not the admech, they don't have the technology to be the admech, but they really want to be the admech.

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>>66399037
Orthodox Turning Monk: Technology and the innovative skills necessary to create it are gifts from god. Humanity misused said gifts and were consequentially punished by the nuclear war and miscellaneous supernatural shit. By rediscovering and/or reinventing, we can restore the wonders of the old world, this time kept safe from abuse in our hands. Eventually, we'll surpass the technological limits reached per-apocolypse, fuse ourselves with our machines and ascend into the heavens.

Radical Turning Monks: The Zones aren't curses, they're protection for divine gifts against the unworthy. Go questing for their treasures and hook them up to the Oracle Mainframe.

>>66399037
Yeah, sounds good, and helps to add to why traditionalists would be so horrified by the radicalists trying to become closer to god by defiling the human form with corruption

>>66399229
Yeah, that sounds great!
Trying to restore old-age tech could be fun if we take another look at stuff like that old nuclear plant

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>>66399495
It also gives the Turing monk's a goal beyond computer Cathedrals as neat as those are.

>>66399253
The monks don't particularly care about the human form, they're just being practical. With their scavenged and only partially understood techbase, natural human flesh is better than any kind of prosthesis they could build. If the situation were otherwise and the flesh weak in comparison to the machinery, they'd be the first ones to go full admech.

>>66399578
I would imagine some are full ad mech. Others might be focused on perfecting their ability to do complex math in their minds to better 'think like God'

>>66399578
Ok, I was going off of that body is a temple sort of stuff, since the doctrine so far had been focussed around finding god through extreme number crunching

>>66400010
The body is a temple because it is the best option available compared to peglegs, hook hands and other rudimentary substitutes. If someone invented or rediscovered old-world machines better than it, the bodies of the resulting augmented humans would be temples. But as of yet, they haven't. The Radicals claim otherwise, but their Zone-corrupted technologies and daemon engines are abominations.

>>66399548
Perfection
Viet Cong-ish folks on the loose in Cambridgeshire

>>66401407
Seeing how virtually every conflict being fought is Brit on Brit, the Britons must win!
Any other ideas on what to do in Ireland?

>>66399953
well that brings of the moral question of trans-humanism, of which there are three basic sides
>pro
>by necessity only
>against

Pro:full on replacement of "defective parts."

by necessity: if something fails, replace it, when you lose the ability to reproduce, you are an honorable ancestor, there is division on if you should give up your wordily possessions, as you are not defined as human or living, or continue with private ownership in-spite of this.

anti:the human body is perfection and it should be kept as pure as possible, with some considering organ transplanting an immoral act, even if the other person is alive and well.

>>66401407
I wonder how many folk of the isle believe that they are the inheritors of Empire snd as such better than dirty foreigners.

>>66401986
Could help contribute to tensions between most of the isles and the foreigners reigning in the south east

>>66401983
How'd they even manage organ transplant with their primitive techbase? That just seems like a guaranteed recipe for killing the patient.

>>66402805
you would need donor blood, germ theory and sanitation as well as anesthesia.

you are looking at 1800s "chop shop" type medical experimentation.

it has a high death rate, but in sterile conditions it is plausible to do kidney and liver transplants. the first transplant was in 1958, which was done on twins for a kidney.

with crude methods you could morphine them, hook up a "leather" based surgical tubing catheter with another patient of the right blood type with a few more ready.

then perform the transplant.

without the knowledge of the right "anti-rejection" drugs though, basically you are limited to liver transplants at first and close-kin kidney.

they used basically a coke bottle as a primitive blood drip in some cases and this was common in WWII.

the invention of surgical grade plastic made this whole process much cleaner and quicker.

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>>66403021
not this is a early style operation table post germ theory. notice a problem?
>the doctors in the bleachers.

all surgical rooms nowadays are 100% sterile rooms that are cleaned constantly. the early fix was a window or two-way mirror. so that people could observe and the two way for a sense of privacy. now we just video the thing.

there is a whole 3-5 hour procedure to sterilize the doctor, and if he touches one foreign object, he has to start over. this is why a "simple surgery" can take up to 8 hours, and leaves surgeons dead tired after a "13 hour surgery." simple "cut this out." operations are much simpler and had a high pass rate by the 1950s, but transplants are finicky and hard to perform.

HOWEVER, radiation makes it hard for microbes to live...

>>66402805
sterilization, surgical usage, and medicinal cooking
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/microbiology/chapter/using-physical-methods-to-control-microorganisms/

>>66403021
to determine blood types basically blood is sampled and antibodies are extracted. based on this you have a basic four stage anti-test. you test for A type, B type, Rh, and null.

basically based on clumping you can tell what type you are and your Rh. for example I am A type with a positive Rh and my sister is O-type with a negative Rh.

>so mine will clump on anti-A (A anti-bodies) and on anti "D" (Rh antibodies).
>my sisters will not clump at all.
>an AB+ will clump on all but null.

this was completed and basically hasn't advanced much since 1945, although methodology has.in a kidney transplant there is also the issue of tissue compatibility.to extract the anti bodies you basically use an acid-brine solution. then diffuse it and extract the clear part.

anesthesia was around in the form of morphine, Nitrous-oxide(N2O), and chloroform. circa 1900-1945

Twisting Fiends:

Roaming the deep mantle are the fiends. Freaks among freaks these creatures are not related to men or beast. The town, bodies made of twisted plant matter and bits of debris shaped into a hulking mass of writhing limbs. They rip and tear apart things that get within grasp. Those unprepared must be at least cautious. As mere bullet and blade will stop it. Massive firepower is demanded or, lead slugs that tear away at the energies holding the grinding screaming Thing together.

>>66405328
Wandering through a dead zone when a chunk of debris and plant life starts screaming at you seems like a good sign to get out

>>66403243
>whole 3-5 hour procedure to sterilize the doctor

They gown up and do a scrub in about15 minutes. Heck I just saw a Forensic Files where the doctor had an hour between scheduled surgeries and he had time to buy flowers, drive home, murder his wife, ditch the weapon, drive back and be in the operating room only a coup[le minutes behind schedule. 5 hours to sterilize the doctor. What do you think they do? Shave him hairless and scrub his naked body head to toe with special 1' brush in a clean room? They put on a gown and shoe booties over their street cloths and wash their hands and lower arms.

>>66406184
depends on the surgery, that is a bit extreme, but its is a complicated scrub-down for literally zero microbe surgery. this is for sensitive organs and brain-surgery. for like tooth removal its 15min assuming you are pretty clean to begin with.

I don't know what kind of surgeon he was put I would bet he was a dentist. if he was a plastic surgeon they wouldn't have as deep a scrub-down either.

these are like transplant and invasive surgery type deals. its a more intensive process and it also involves prep-work and for the room to be prepped.

the point is sterility is a major problem

>>66406184
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_washing#Medical_use

for you own entertainment.

>>66406184
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety

brief description of bio-hazard protocol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartagena_Protocol_on_Biosafety

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Have a 'shop.

>>66407574
Nice stuff anon!
Not great on my Irish history, but I’ll have a go at trying to populate some more of Ireland

>>66407749
I mean the great schism, and anti-British sentiments are great starting points.

>>66408211
The Order of Saint Turing are pretty fine with people across the Irish Sea, but could apply that to the Irish Coastal Raiders attacking Wales and fighting Icelanders

>The monasteries of the Order of Saint Turing make for attractive targets to Icelandic Raiders and other such fiends
>Though many of these monasteries will employ mercenaries or a detachment of a nation’s soldiers from a trade deal to defend themselves, some practise a different tradition
>Going by a number of titles between groups, such as Knights of the Faith, these are pious individuals trained to use the technology of the Order to prevent its seizure by petty raiders and scum alike
>Given the technological capability held by the monks, they are often seen armed in fine armour, bearing dangerous old-age weapons
>Within the halls of the radicalists following the words of a supposed god, these dangerous figures have taken a far more sinister turn

Also, should we use DH1e or 2e, or something else?
I started to look at DH2e basics for adapting but if someone thinks something else would work better please say so

>>66408956
I'm personally more familiar with 1e but, jot sure how far apart the two really are either

>>66393804
Nice, thanks for the inspo dump anon!

>>66398371
>>66397998
All I'll say is, Iceland never had an aircraft carrier. Perhaps one they stole or joined a German/British/Scandinavian/US one that was stationed there or nearby while the world went to shit?

thing for ireland at this period is that traitor shit de valera is still in charge and they're extremist catholics, so any state growing out of that is probably going to blame the english for the apocalypse and be catholic fundies.

>>66409377
Yeah, another anon had mentioned a carrier, and I ran with it
Pre-fall Iceland has been left ambiguous, but if a carrier was near to Iceland when shit hit the fan, they may have gone there rather than try to get across all that water back to their home, given how dangerous it was

>>66409403
The Order of Saint Turing was derived from Turing of course, could have other catholic groups around Ireland too, potential for religious wars

>>66403021
>>66403243
>>66403786
Bloody hell, a (slightly) off topic thread branch that's a discussion not about politics! Rare in these times.
On the whole sterilisation front, although important, I'm sure the more Radical Turingists wouldn't care TOO much if their grafting was a bit as hoc or "experimental", as long as it brought the patient closer to God.
Or maybe they would? Computer-like perfection would probably be a key part of their mindset.

>>66409428
Yeah, that seems to be fair. Mythical Icelandic monstrosities were definitely something to flee from!

>>66409377
>>66409428
it could be a pykrete one built as an emergency response by the icelanders at some stage.

>>66405328
Well, I guess there's worse than ghosts in the Zones. Fuck how do you kill that?

>>66409786
this is how Howitzer makes its money, they're paid to come to areas with stuff like this and blow them the fuck up.

>>66409852
That or anti tank rifles. I imagine fiends a class of being as well sorta like Once-Men.

>>66409525
Oh yeah, pycrete could be cool for it
>>66409476
Wasn’t involved in that tangent, but had been thinking that Radicalists human experiments could start in some logical manner, and then as it all starts to go loopy it descends into barely human ghouls of men ingesting anomalous substances from zones and other such terrible acts

>>66409926
Would it stand the test of time though?

>>66410212
Im not sure about how Pycrete holds up after so much time, could have had the carrier inactive after it reached Iceland, until the exodus

>>66410368
Not sure. I do kinda like the idea that the Icelanders managed to take over a Carrier group though. Maybe it was an old Royal Navy ship that they got onto during the Collapse and when things started to go South hard they overthrew the crew. Would also explain how they managed to set course.

>>66410408
If we’re going classic carrier than the old idea of the carrier simply going to Iceland for survival when shut first hits the fan might be easiest
Morning sure what would happen to the crew however, but that carrier wouldn’t be going back into the sea unless they had a damn good reason, like running away from iceland being lost

>>66405328
Manglers:

Its said few things can send a rider running. One of these are manglers. Born of the Black london bogs these wretches are Fiends of a terrible order. Each born from a pool of Foetid black water that bubbles with toxins of the Zone. Lurching from these foul pits their rubbery flesh, the cast off remains of formerly living things stitched together into a gruesome whole. Its wails chill the blood and it's mouth lined with teeth of dead men and beasts and fused from a dozen different jaws is dribbling a constant stream of viscous fluid, corpse rot thick in the air it claws the ground with dozens of fingers on each columnar limb and it's body, a mass of twisting black flesh leaks rot upon the ground along with rotted viscera. It seeks only more, it's gluttony only momentarily sated with each life it snuffs out and each body it adds to the gruesome whole. Those that face the beasts claim Fire deters it but, only explosives or truly horrendous weaponry can destroy it. For one must reach the twitching screaming mass within it's center a ball of twisted halfformed limbs and viscera with a single glowing eye...

>>66410591
Thoughts?

>>66410740
Love it, London should be home to some of the scariest stuff around

So what will Brits do without a ready supply of Tea/caffeine/nicotine from Tobacco? Did they come up with any analogues to drink? Are they using weird Zone plants to get high?

>>66410826
Ingestion of zone substances is not the best idea, unless you’ve lost your marbles
Good question on what happens without those, would mean that any surviving stockpiles of it would be very valuable

>>66410778
That was kinda the going idea. London is home to naught but the dead and demons. Going there is either a suicide mission or something that's for the bards tales.

>>66410888
also giga-dragon.
And now for something completely different.
> Despite the demise of industrial civilisation making for a return to edged weapons, cavalry has not returned to the dominance it enjoyed in the high medieval period, there are still enough firearms around to make massed horsemen a dismayingly juicy target, in addition to which, even without firearms, formed polearm infantry can stand them off with relative ease.
> Instead, warfare has returned to the tactical triangle of the black powder era, true heavy cavalry are absent where man fights man.
> Where they shine though, is against the denizens of the Zones. A man on a 16 hand horse with a twelve foot lance is just a bigger target to a rifleman, to a troll he's now able to strike from beyond its reach with enough force to knock it down for the footmen to dismember and burn, to a pack of ghouls he's an invincible terror, his destrier's iron-shod hooves crushing bone even as the lancer skewers them.
> Soldiers fight other soldiers, knights fight monsters.
> Warwickshire's principal monster-hunting group is the Band of the Bear, named after the county symbol. Headquartered in the Pheasant pub in the village of Withybrook, the Bears have spent decades traversing shire, Danelaw and the settled lands beyond, hunting everything from rogue rad-wizards, to ogres, to something called a "marsh-wiggle".
> Their most famous victory however was not over monsters at all, but over men.
> Watling Street still serves as a major route in Ruined Britannia, so when a certain stretch began to see caravan disappearances, along with the missing bodies traditionally associated with monstrous predation, the Band were swiftly hired to come and put an end to whatever it was.
> Now, before spur can be put to horse and lance to flesh, the foe must be located, so the foresters, the Band's mix of poachers, rangers and anyone handy in the woods, set off to track whatever unpleasant flesh-eating abomination was out there.

>>66411362
Great stuff!
I can get behind the usefulness of more archaic methods against monsters, fits in with stuff like Caerleons many crusades without any modern equipment save for the artillery
Medieval man-on man fighting could still be prevalent where guns are even less common, like Wales with the petty kingdoms fighting the workers states, and could still try to fit some mounted knights in elsewhere, though they may be more likely to rely on fancy, well-smithed zone metals for armour for them and the horse

>>66410591
Dragons:

Of Dragons much might be said but, Truth is hard to sort from the lies and fears. In reality little is known of these most fearsome monsters. Though shaped like the folkloric beasts, dragons are not wholly living things. Though they do have muscle and bone and even must eat they are in part mechanized, their anatomy only possible within the Zones strange influence. Great gouts of smog and fire emanate from fuming spines upon their backs and steel clad jaws that rend like a threshing machine, teeth sliding back and forth viciously to hew flesh and bone. Wings like aero-foils unfold and the roar of turbine engines fill the air. Covered in thick metallic scales which deny all but the most powerful blows. Their breath like fire Sears the body and heats metal men dying as radiation poisons the body and cooks them alive.

But, this is not what makes dragons feared. It is that they bring the Zone and it's malignant power with them. Where dragons lurk the Zones form and flourish growing around them.

>>66411362
> However, instead of something that gave offence to God and Science merely by existing, they noticed something the less experienced, and more easily spooked Home Guard who'd called them in had not, to whit, that despite the absence of bodies and liberal splashing of blood, no one appeared to have been eaten on site.
> This was not usual, indeed one of the senior men recounted a tale wherein an ogre they'd encountered had immediately grabbed the nearest man and bitten his head off, before spitting said head back at them with enough force to stun an other man when it hit him.
> The foresters sidled into the woods with all the natural caution of men not wearing plate or carrying big bloody rifles and began to follow the tracks of the caravaneers' dragged bodies, which trail was lost abruptly on discovering the stripped, scavenged and now-skeletized by woodland creatures bodies.
> Underneath the tracks of various things not turning down a free meal, were other prints.
> Boot prints.
> Sensing the plot thickening, the senior forester sent most of his men back to the road, and with only a couple of cronies, slid further into the forest, parallel to, but not on the trail.
> The senior forester was rewarded for his caution by spotting the outlaw sentry watching the trail before the man spotted him, which allowed the forester, known, inevitably perhaps, as Robin, and his minions, to navigate around him, continue alongside the trail and discover the ruins of a hamlet absolutely heaving with scum and villainy.
> Recognising this called for a strategic withdrawal, Robin struck his colours (Lincoln green and brown, like any sensible woodsman) and retreated to go and ask his captain what to do next.

>>66411496
oh there's unquestionably going to be a use for brigandine equipped light-to-medium horse nearly everywhere, but full harness cavalry is just going to require too many man hours of training, production capacity and general fiddlyness to be really prevalent, even where things are low-tech a bunch of billmen + crossbows will always be cheaper and easier to get hold of than heavy horse.
This was one of the reasons it was a doomed concept even without gunpowder, close-order infantry are a natural counter to it, which is why most of the WotR were fought in foot, in addition to a long-standing British preference for footmen anyway, because there simply isn't enough room in pre-enclosure Britain for enough horse-suitable grazing land to really mass heavy horse.
However, the rare Welsh lord who does get a full harness is going to go through most footmen like a bloody chainsaw if he's properly supported.

>>66411729
Yeah, sounds good
Mounted men with guns seem like a decent counter to pikemen and such too, if a rather expensive thing, horse, gun and trained soldier combined

>>66411592
> The captain of this particular expedition of the Band was Fulk of Rugby, a second son of the lord thereof.
> Fulk had been expected to be a Regular and his decision to pass up life in the regiments to wander around in the woods and stab monsters had been greeted with some dismay by his family, but he'd been adamant in his desire to stick beasts, not men.
> Fortunately for the disgruntled Fulk, he'd still been trained in modern tactics, and knew very well that the outlaw band, as detailed by Robin o'the Woode, would still have enough firepower to put down his horse and foot before they could close.
> Unless...
> Three weeks later a supremely rich caravan plodded along Watling Street, high-sided and thoroughly barred wagons a sure sign of wealth, but the troop of bowmen guarding them were the sign of a cautious, albeit parsimonious, master.
> Oxen lowing, the caravan trundled on its way through the damp of an English spring, watched by hungry eyes from the woods, weighing the number of guards versus the obvious wealth of the wagons, judgement hanging in the balance.
> As the caravan rumbled into more open terrain the indecision gnawing at the outlaws sharpened, act now, or lose out because of an excess of caution?
> A life in Ruined Britannia's forests and Zones is not one that attracts the cautious, so when at the edge of a particularly broad and open meadow one of the wagons jerked to an abrupt halt, a wheel springing loose, the outlaws' collective patience snapped, and out from their woods they charged, a snap and crackle of musketry accompanying them.
> The escorting bowmen, confronted by this fearsome horde, screamed shrilly and dropped inside their armoured wagons, hatches slamming behind them, leading to a triumphant bandit bellow as this pusillanimity left them with only the locks of the wagons to contest their possession of the riches therein.

>>66411756
it's that tactical triangle i mention, horse sweeps broken foot and uncovered artillery, formed foot covers artillery and blocks horse, artillery breaks up foot and shatters horse that comes at it head on.
Ranged cavalry are a counter for formed foot if three conditions are met, firstly, they must have enough battlespace to keep clear of the foot, tricky in Britain, secondly they've got to have enough firepower to break up said foot.
Finally, the foot must lack firepower of their own, if they've got guns, or a gun, they'll see cavalry off, ranged or melee, unless the cavalry is suicidally brave or very, very cunning.

>>66410408
>>66410496
Maybe the skeleton crew decided to pick up a few hundred (potentially more) Icelanders to help them rebuild and defend it in the now monster infested waters, and that formed the basis of that clan's small fleet

>>66410826
I reckon using Zone-tech or old world tech to develop greenhouses capable of growing tea/tobacco etc would be a priority. Britain would still be in a rationed economy at this point (or near enough), so they would be used to it's scarcity.
Perhaps a tea-growing faction could develop! One with a collection of massive heated greenhouses, that survives off of it's ability to supply the local kingdoms with the hard-to-grow luxuries that people have missed.

>>66412224
Yeah, should we develop stuff on pre-fall Iceland’s it leave it vague? Currently we just have some stuff hinting at the guy leading the Icelanders has drawn the ire of some other clans
>>66412284
A group making a living off of producing luxuries like tea would be neat, what sort of tech level would they need though?

>>66412106
> The assembled outlawry swarmed around the wagons, now completely withdrawn from the woods in the all-important scramble for looting privileges, shouting imprecations at the still-shrieking bowmen immured in the wagons, heaping disdain on both their courage and parentage.
> Whilst engaged in this agreeable pastime, and in the more useful one of prying the locks off wagon doors, the more poorly shod outlaws noticed something curious, the turf beneath their feet was vibrating!
> This curiosity was swiftly joined by an other as thunder began to rumble nearby, curiously muted though, as though it were sounding directly into the meadow's soil.
> Some of the brighter bandits had succeeded in putting two and two together and getting four, just as the leading edge of the Band's cavalry burst from its cover beyond the far edge of the meadow, lances lowered, armour glinting in the feeble spring sun, the massive hooves of the destriers churning grass and dirt as they powered up to a full-bore gallop.
> Formed infantry can stand off cavalry, gunners can shoot them down. In the perhaps forty seconds it took the Band's cavalry to cover the two hundred yards from cover to wagons, the bandits had time for neither formation nor fire, all they could do as England's first heavy cavalry charge in centuries crashed home on them was scream and die.
> Bodies rupture when struck with the impact of a lance with more than an imperial tonne of weight behind it, blood bursts out of bodies, along with less identifiable viscera, as the lancers smash home, crushing the banditry under a wave of massive, armoured bodies, plunging right through the screaming raiders and clear of them as the group of thieves shatters like glass dashed on stone.
> The doors of the wagons drop open, even as the cavalry wheel for an other charge, armoured footmen, armoured cap a pied and wielding long swords, axes and crushing polearms, stride out and start cutting the stunned outlaws down.

>>66412605
> Limbs are now literally spinning through the air as the heavy blades of longsword, poleaxe and lochaber render men into meat.
> Meanwhile the archers have clambered out of their wagons, falsetto shrieking replaced by derisive shouts as shafts are lofted into outlaws, even as the cavalry discard lances and join their footmen in hacking away at the now completely broken foe.
> Half an hour of merciless butchery later and the only thing left of the Watling Street bandits is a pike of horribly mutilated corpses and the spinning, twitching forms of their taken, hanged from the nearest trees.
> The Band of the Bear does not seek further engagements against men, but in future even gunmen will step a little more warily around the hulking, armoured forms of the knights, their day of glory a reminder of what was, and what could be again, if the foe is unlucky or unwary.
>>66412423
Tea would need greenhouses in England, those can be built with a lot of effort at any tech level that can make glass and covered fires, if the growers can manage Victoran-era glass and heating they can do it industrial scale.
I'd suggest lincolnshire, as that is also apparently where sugar beet is grown in britain, a natural compliment to tea.

>>66412768
Great stuff anon!
Lincolnshire sounds good, as we were trying to come up with various groups to occupy it

>>66413111
Trips have it Lincolnshire it is, might I suggest >>66398817
are at least in part the reason its there? A giant tea farm run by nun/electricians Sounds fitting for the setting.

>>66413157
Turingists helping to run the operation for a cut of the profits to further their own ends would explain why they’re growing tea in Lincolnshire

Any other ideas for our Lincolnshire greenhouse group?

>>66413852
Probably control a lot of the drug trade. Narcotics like opium would be valued, maybe they work on zone tolerant crops?

>>66414261
Sounds great, zone-affected plants could do some harm to people, but effects could also be interesting

>>66414349
Zone exposure accelerates plant growth, making it seemingly appealing to farmers, but the plants won't die. Nobody likes crops that take root in your digestive tract.

>>66414487
Horrifying and great!
Any sort of chems or similar from zone plants?

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>>66379684

There is a book by L. Robb Hubbard called Final Blackout that reminds me of this setting.

>>66410212
I personally tested this in a home experiment, no it would melt and be inoperable in less than a day then you would have a iceberg floating around for a month.

it was dumped as an idea because of this reason.

Helmets

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>>66415402

Helmets take 2

I also think it would be cool with all tech levels of firearms co existed from hand gonnes to flint and percussion cap muzzle loaders to breach loading cartridge based fire arma
To repeaters.

>>66415418
I think we do have some older sorts of guns in places, such as with the French

>>66414487
>>66414689
Anesthetic. It doesn't cause unconsciousness or numbness, just temporary congenital analgesia. Doesn't actually cure injuries, just stops you feeling them. Eat too much of it at a time or overuse it over a long period of time and the effects becomes permanent.

>>66415007
I'm,intrigued yet horrified

>>66415961

It’s a quick read.

Basically the Continent has been destroyed by Atomic, Biological and Chemical warfare and the war has burnt out to WWI style trench brawl. UK was less damaged but still fucked up. A Lt. Gets fed up and leads a rebellion. You’ll have to read the rest to see what happens.

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>>66416422

I don’t know wtf there is an American flag.

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I’d also look at the war game “A Very British Civil War” but it’s set in 1938.

>>66416446
not that Anon but it's due to the Americans being involved in the plot, won't say why

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How British is this guy? Radiation burned Traffic Warden with FAL, proper necktie and stiff upper lip.

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>>66416601
looked at this, thought it was cool, then realized he was standing in front of a tesco.
>my sides

>>66416566
>threads
thanks for the ptsd flashback anon

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more mad aristocrats?

>>66417090
We did have this a while back
>The whole of a noble family wear thick gloves at all times to hide the fact they all miss their middle fingers, terrified that this “horrifying radiation-brought curse” being discovered will get them lynched

>>66418318
A bastard heir has appeared from the Zone. Though humpbacked and mishappen he claims royal blood and bears a family crest.

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>>66417090
just off the art that's been posted, the Occluded family, whose skin, hair, and even breath has strange and anomalous refractive properties

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>66408633
>Within the halls of the radicalists following the words of a supposed god, these dangerous figures have taken a far more sinister turn

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bump

>>66421409
>What if we take a brute of a man in thick armour carrying a machine gun, and start jamming any old chunk of corruption-tainted materials into him
>Maybe if we jam some parts of the god machine into him he will become closer to god

>>66424075
We dark mechanicus now?

>>66425025
Dark mechanicus with a lot more body horror focus I guess

>>66425088
That's mildly impressive given who we're talking about.

>>66425188
I suppose as they turn to more and more twisted defiling of the body they’ll eventually be hard to tell apart from monstrous zone beasts, like what happens to people eating nasty dead zone beasts, but far worse

Any ideas on the stuff we can simply carry over from DH for rules, and what will need replacing?

>>66425657
Homeworlds should port easy enough maybe we start there?

>>66425859
Yeah, when I looked at 2e the basic stuff for homeworlds and such should be easily portable
Influence may need some changing, as it would vary a lot between areas and groups

>>66426116
I mean could just have a set of modifiers based on who its or break it up so it is more influence numbers to keep track of, and treat it it's own mini stat block,

>>66426371
Sounds good to me
Just for a quick stab at it;
Feral world - primitive tribe lands
Forge world - Turingist or Foundry of Man
Highborn - Nobleman
Hive world - Normal folk
Shrine world - Scotland? (Organised religion)
Voidborn - Zone-dwellers? (Need cunning folk to survive around the edges of dead zones, and more used to the fuckiness of them)

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>>66424075
>>66425025
>>66425088
>>66425188
Dark mechanicus, cassette futurism edition.

>>66427212
>We’re not really sure how this knight functions anymore, but we jammed more valves into some swollen, mushy flesh and he seems to understand basic instructions again

>>66426755
hive doesn't really work for commoners.
so far we've got
Commonfolk (urban) - Suggestion is Schola
Commonfolk (villager) - Imperial
Nobles - Noble
Tech Monks - Forge
Woodsfolk (Human) - Feral
Nomads - Voiborn
Coastal types.- Cleansed

>>66427352
Sounds good, wasn’t too sure about give and was a rush-job so just threw it into generic before

>>66427352
Are you looking at 1 or 2e?

>>66427489
i was using the chargen off 1d4, my pdfs are on a different comp.
If you think an edition is less limited i'm for it, more options allow better flexibility making for a better fit.

>>66427687
I was going off of 2e as I’d heard it was a bit more flexible, so hopefully easier to adapt to this
I’ll ask in /40krpg/ about it though, they’ll hopefully be able to help

>>66427825
Havent looked at 2e though I csn once I get home

>>66427352
I'm not sure that really fits I mean, shouldn't we divide more on nationality so say you could be born in Ireland or New Iceland etc?

>>66429695
We could try to do homeworlds adapted to major nations, when I did the first adaptation attempt I was looking more at general areas throughout since there wouldn’t be enough homeworlds to cover every major nation and such
We could however make some

>>66429749
I think that would work best

>>66429959
>>66429749
In that case, what sort of thing should each nation do homeworld-stat wise?

>>66430026
Icelanders, men of the Isle, Irish, Welsh, Scots, men of the Lost Lands?

>>66430770
Sounds good, could also do some for different parts within those, for the bigger ones
But what should we actually do in terms of how homeworld choice affects a character for each one?

>>66430815
Going by the DH model it effects ability scores and gives a few skills and maybe an ability such as free training or a minor feat.

>>66430923
Ok, for some general ideas;
Icelandic: Tough, strong folk to survive the exodus, vikingish
Scots: Lots of willpower, pious, fate point buffs?
Welsh: Lower tech, good with melee, horses too?
Zone border-dwellers (bandits and such?): Bonuses to navigating unnatural terrain, cunning to survive
Turingist: Intelligence and equipment
Irish: Not sure, haven’t fleshed out enough
Some more general ones for the isles, might try some more major nation-specific next
Noble: Wealthy, typically charismatic or martially capable (can be applied to knights and such too)

>>66431303
These seem like the right sort of idea to turn into actual stat stuff once we have that worked out?

>>66431548
I mean for right now, if we use the stats as they're set up for DH we can build on it. Most have one bonus and one penalty of +3/-3 to their stats. So maybe we should also cover how those groups are weak?

>>66431303

Ireland is one gigantic Zone, full of all sorts of crazy mutants and anomalies, while the few surviving humans have learned how to use their warped to fuck home to their advantage. Damn near back to bronze age culturally for sake of survival, but they know the most about Zones, and how to use them to their advantage.

>>66431877
I thought northern Ireland was Turing held though? For that matter is there anyways to push back against them? Like decontamination or some such?

>>66431933

Northern Ireland is a bastion of sanity taken back by the Turings since I imagine Ireland would have been less hit by the shit directly, but the fallout fucked them over all the same.

I see Ireland as the token "Overgrown ruins of an ancient time, full of danger... and treasure." land, with the Irish fiercely protecting what is theirs from yet more British exploiting. Hell, have some crazy whackjob faction that tries to expand or create new Zones all over the British Isles stemming from Ireland.

>>66432166
Maybe related to the native Horned men?

>>66432166
Maybe related to the native Horned men?

>>66431933
Turing have some land, but mostly smaller areas around monasteries

Could have lots of dead zone in Ireland
Map has turningists mostly in south, but could have some more northern monasteries
Still need some Irish groups that aren’t them though

>>66431601
Sounds good to me
Icelanders and Welsh could go for intelligence debuffs, what with either going for an idea of vikings, or lack of technology in Wales
Not sure about the Scots
Zone border-dwellers could often be rather scrawny folk from the harsh conditions
Turingists could be lacking socially or in strength
Still not sure on Ireland, we really need more there than just the Turingists
Also not sure about noblemen, seems like they would generally be well off
We could adapt hive world for now for common folk until we have a replacement
Also need to work out some nation-specific ones

>>66431933
>>66432166
Per the map Northern Ireland is still pretty savage; though there's less zone-shit no actual factions have developed bar the Turingist outposts.
Ireland is almost completely covered in zones, Wexford being the largest Turing Monastery and I think Cork being the potential main base of the Catholic Fundie faction (if we put that in)?

>>66433896
Lets go for it, we need at least one other group in Ireland, maybe two

>>66433962
Thought we had Neo-Pagans too?

>>66425025
>>66425088
>>66425188
>>66425302
>>66427212
>>66427271
Chaos Dwarfs are probably a better comparison than Dark Mechanicus, but with Pagan motifs instead of Sumerian and Babylonian ones.

>>66434554
Yeah, I’d say that’s better in hindsight
Ok, so in Ireland we’ve got the Order of Saint Turing, some other catholics and some pagans, along with whoever those coastal raiders are? Let’s have a shot at fleshing them out

>>66434593
Maybe have the Radical Turingists continue to follow through with their Chaos Dwarf imitation by having them trade weapons and equipment with the raiders? Similar setup to chaos dwarf weapons and armor getting to Norscans

>>66434621
Yeah, could have them trading weaponry and such for seemingly random things pulled out of dead zones, would help to make the radicalists a real threat for a party too, aside from a corrupted knight of the faith, which would be scary shit

>>66434621
Might work. They may he arming groups like the Horned men or Icelanders to get Orthodox Turing gear and equipment to better complete their own goals. Are they organized or are the radicals more singular rogues?

>>66434671
The radicalises would likely be rather unified simply as it’s all derived from a single corrupted machine
Icelanders still want to raid people, and would likely, like many see what they have become as inhuman monsters in need of putting down
Bandits would make for a potential trade partner as it means they aren’t hurting the bandits and the bandits need that stuff

>>66434771
>it’s all derived from a single corrupted machine
Could they spread the corruption by exchanging components from their computer and the computers of other monasteries?

>>66434593
Since the other lads have got the Turingists and Icelanders pretty well in hand, I reckon we should have a look at the Fundies.
>Based in Cork, the Theocracy of Cork is a nations ruled by priests. Aping the style of the bygone Vatican, a highly conservative and extremely devout nation has sprung up around the Churches and Cathedrals of Southern Ireland. The Theocracy's council is led by a High Pontiff elected from the heads of each Diocese.
>The Council is heavy handed in its rule, banning the use of new tech and heavily restricting old world tech, limiting the spread of guns, radios and movable engines. One exception, however, is the use of electricity, which is seen as a gift from God himself, and as such, many Cork churches and Cathedrals act as giant beacons, guiding the weary traveller and acting as both a spiritual and physical symbol of the faith.
>If the Theocracy is harsh when dealing with technology, however, it is merciless in it's view on the zones. Every three months, the population has to be checked for mutation, and any user of Zone-tech, no matter how mundane, or wielder of rad-wizardry, no matter how innocent, is immediately put to the electric chair-the Corkists favoured method of execution.
>Despite the medieval society and heavy-handed rule, the people of Cork live in relative happiness, blessed by their God and living in abundance, both of shelter and food. Many isolated villages, otherwise at the mercy of the island's feared mutant predators, have been saved by the charge of the Electric Guardians the nation's knightly order, the *zzzt-click* of their Gauss weapons, and *crunch* of their charged maces sending invading beasts and raiders alike to hell.
Thunks?

>>66434800
If they did think it was god within their machine, would they want to take apart god or give away their beloved discovery?
>>66435099
I love it! Gauss weapons might be a little advanced for things, but Guardians with car batteries hooked up to maces sounds horrifying and great

>>66431303
>USKS
don't forget these guys.

>>66435413
Said I’d get to major nations eventually, will have an idea for them by the

>>66435426
*by then

Archived this thread here for future
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/66379684/

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>>66435302
Depends. Does God tell them to dismantle and distribute portions of his earthly body so He can spread? Possible references to catholic communion.

>>66435807
We may as well jump ship to the new thread, I guess it has chance to spread before it becomes too insane, at which point anyone in their right mind would see what they’ve become and get away