>>66288903
>As Lancashire Blue Helms march across the countryside, Yorkist generals have found themselves commanding an incredibly mixed force, with any and all mercenaries hired to replace their losses in soldiers
>This has brought about organisational issues and strategic troubles, in the coordination of radically different forms of troops
>Whilst the initial harm of this has been severe, it is hoped that this will produce impressively flexible commanders as the war progresses

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cDqaDJykx2hYP3gO3wNrknAajH5yyWKePk47ZFdkKqw/edit?usp=drivesdk

And the doc as well.

>>66288921
>The bringing of armoured vehicles to the front through the Desert Rats has terrified many Lancastrian troops, with no training or experience in fighting such steel beasts
>Despite their successes in both combat and morale boosting, they are few in number and have proven difficult to utilise in coordination with men at arms and bowmen

>>66289216
this is a repeat
>tanks are swamped in the dead-zones, the tractors that are left are preferred as pack-mules
>the lancashire hire out a contract they ask for one simple thing, uranium.
>as the desert ratts make a charge, folly strikes the arrogant mercenaries as a hail of armor-piercing bullet renders their once invincible force a heaping pile of scrap.
>the ones that tried to escape were routed by his scout cavalry who threw a hail of grenades rendering the so called juggernauts into nothing more than entrenched positions.
>the engineers did the dirt-est work. dirt became the tomb of the desert ratts and their steel coffin.

>>66289314
I can’t believe you’ve done this anon
Rest in peace sons of Monty, back to the drawing board

>>66289314
We're depleted urainium shells a thing in the 50s?

>>66289358
>>66289314
The Yorkists were put on the backfoot after the battle of Ludford Bridge, as troop morale took a gut-punch with the loss of some of the most famed mercenaries in the lands, new plans must be formed to counter Lancashire’s armies

>>66289529
very much so, but the issue is the force of the ammo,it is a late war creation as a side product of all the nuclear testing. it started mostly as a tank round with the late war experimenting, they didn't use uranium but the principle is there.

Potential hazards of the South West Peninsula, through which the Death Road runs:
>The South West is dotted with vast, desolate moorlands. They stretch on forever, quite literally. Stray more than a mile into moorland and no matter how far you walk in any direction after that point, you'll still be stuck in the infinite dimensions of the moor, to eventually die of thirst, starvation or exposure. Thankfully, each moor has its own unique loophole, a secret that allows those trapped in it to escape from its endless expanse.
>During starless nights, a pair of golden lights might appear in the distance. Should you shine a light of your own towards them, the lights will blink out of existence and you will be left in peace, for a time. Otherwise, they will pursue you and try to approach you. Should they come too close, a great black cat or hound shall manifest with those golden lights as its eyes, intent on mauling you and your companions.
>While by the coast, a sudden mist can roll in and obscure any vision. If a distant whooping can be heard, do not try to leave the mist or move from you are. Wait for the mist to depart naturally. Any attempt to leave before the mist and the whooping has ended will end with you falling, slipping or being dragged into a watery grave.
>Solitary standing stones dot the landscape of the South West. Whenever you come across one, it is wise to show your respect by touching it briefly. If you pass a standing stone without offering it respect, you will find that your flesh slowly starts to petrify and flake off. Most men die after a week of this, their bodies crumbling away to nothing. This curse can only be revoked by returning to the offended stone and touching it, although the damage done to you will not be reversed.
The idea is that the Death Road is a deadly place that will be the bane of anyone unfamiliar with it, while those that learn its lore of the South West might be able to pass through safely.

>>66289529
there are two kinds of armor peircing weapons developed in WWII for peircing armor:

HEAT: high explosive anti tank
and
Sabot: french for boot/shoe referring to the encasement of the actual round.

>>66289673
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette

Of note during this feud between York and Lancashire both received aid from Cornwall often in the sale of recovered materials or mercenaries from Tribes that still dwell upon the mainland such as the Francs and Iber.

>Whilst the armoured speartip of the Yorkist army was lost at Ludford, the “chivalrous” who held disdain for those who ran amok with the livery and automatic weapons of the old-age, failed to kill them
>Lancashire was forced to resort to old-age technology to overcome the Desert Rats, leading to tensions within Lancashire between the chivalrous and those who would utilise old-age weaponry

>>66289953
King Edward for his merit made well use of the conflict. Often dissenters to the throne found themselves at the vanguard of an attack upon a heavily defended holding of the enemy unable to bwck out of the 'honor' or, tragically falling in the field due to incidental fire from artillery

>>66290348
This was not to say that The King was a coward. Indeed Edwards command tank HONORABLE QUEEN was a frequent right upon the field as was he in bespoke armor leading charges wielding the royal arms. Moat famous of these the tank killing rifle JUDGEMENT its monstrous roar echoing for all to hear as Lancashire knights fell to its fury.

Can we get an updated map of kingdoms, settlements, and dead zones as well as a brief list of factions?

>>66290348
That’s one way to deal with the corrupt members of the Yorkshire League!
>>66289953
>These Lancastrian tensions festered until the battle of Northampton, where the Lancastrians brought field guns to bare
>Whilst heavy rain hindered both the advancing Yorkists and the field gun teams, a Lancastrian lord on their left flank, disgusted with this continued use of old-age trickery, ordered his men to lay down their weapons, having made a secret deal with the Yorkists to trade his allegiance for land
>This betrayal decided the battle, as the Lancashire army was routed

>>66290478
This is a list from last thread with some bits updated
>Caerleon: Prominent stronghold in southern Wales. Mostly free of monsters due to the presence of gray-coat hunters. Centered around an ancient castle that has been built up into a full city with limited wind power.
>Order of Saint Turing: Religious order based out of Northern Ireland. View code as the language of God, and use old computers to receive religious guidance. Often hire mercenaries to venture into the zones for salvage and artifacts. Possibly plan on reclaiming Windscale at some point.
>Kernow Federation: Isolated nation at the Land's End that frequently sends suicide missions to the European mainland to recover artifacts. They've been finding some wild shit there. Only accessible through the Death Road to Cornwall, which cuts through the dead zones around Devon and Somerset.
>Icelanders: Raiders from Iceland and Scandinavia who fled from some horrifying thing and now raid the isles for supplies. Have a few settlements, but are mostly based from ships.
>Scotland: Loosely united series of clan-cities led by the Archbishop of Edenburough. Partially rebuilt Hadrian's Wall to protect themselves from the zones to the south, but are now facing raids from Icelanders in the far north.
Isle of Man: Home to a group of highly-skilled artisans who craft and restore pre-collapse firearms. Defended by mercenaries that they hire with the money they make from offering their services.
>Lancaster: Ruled by the High Sheriff (descended from military leaders in the area), who has zero tolerance for banditry. Came to a truce with Caerleon after years of fighting.
>Yorkshire League: Managed to reclaim enough of York to resettle it. Currently in an escalating conflict with Lancaster.
Struggling to overcome deep rooted corruption between Lords

>>66290659
Cult of Urain:
Zone cult that believes the phenomenon are rhe result of the God Urain's wrath. And that men had stolen the knowledge of his 'light' in the form of Nuclear power.

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Just gonna dump some stuff.

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>>66289529
Honestly the discovery that Uranium is the perfect deathly lead seems like a good achievement for some post-fall faction

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I added these parts

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> The Northern Isles, once a collection of growing, prosperous, and relatively safe settlements, now ravaged and controlled by The Horned Men from across the northern sea.

>The Horned Men wear horns on their helmets and sail black metal ships with fire cannons that are pulled along by giant squid.

I think The Horned Men could be a good edition, making the seas even more dangerous with their giant squid pets.

Possibly even being the reason the Icelanders have fled to the British isles.

They could also be good for setting up political intrigue between the Icelandic raiders and kingdoms/Lordships of the north.
A possible alliance and cease-fire between all of the factions to repel this new threat.
The northern kingdom could offer land or citizenship to the Icelandic Raiders in return for an end to the raids.
There’s a lot of politics that can easily be messed around with the situation.

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>>66291045
Whoops

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Here’s the links to the post

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>tales are told of Bren and Sten, great knights from before the fall after which the guns were named
>noble but uncontrolled Bren was the elder, and the willy roguish Sten the younger
>they had great adventures on the continent, but returned to england to help build the early kingdoms (nobody can decide whose kingdom they helped, everyone has a legend)
>Bren taught the nobles how to produce his weapon, but had a feud with his brother, who taught the raiders how to produce his

>>66291069
Here you go anon
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>>66291086
Thanks anon, I’m in idiot :’)

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seems fitting

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>>66291075
I love this idea. Any other guns we might be able to do this with?

>The loss of the Desert Rats saw one of the most prestigious and mechanically able mercenary groups wiped out
>This death of a legend has drawn the attention of some with great respect for the lost tankers, as the Highlanders and Men of Stirling move to join the fray and avenge their brothers

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>>66290471
>the reason I wrote that is tanks are suppose to be rare, I had several old tricks to take out tanks, but we cannot advance technology too fast.
>let the lesson of the desert ratts scare those who would think to rely solely on the technology of the old world.
>leftenant dig into old world strategiums accepting the much disputed "art of war" many accuse this of the fighting style of the chink barbarians and those french servants the Vietnamese.

>>66291318
However such wars bring out beasts. Ghouls and ghasts have started to venture farther afield than the Zone Meridians drawn by battlefield dead, even as they feast far worse things from the Dead Industries and Black London have started stir as their favored prey begin to go on the prowl.

>>66291385
I dont dispute that. Edwards tank would likely be a national treasure. On par with crown jewels the same for the rifle.

>>66291305
Boys anti-tank, any soviet gun, Enfield might be taken as some lord's name to seem extra established and martial, as with howitzer, or any other gun that bears a person's name.

Maybe Berlin is hammering StG 45s or some later model, to go with the British EM-2 and the FAL that the french and Belgians were using. I assume there are AKs and SKSs out in eastern europe, and the Americans presumably brought over a good number of M14s for the final war unless they were kitted out with some alternate timeline Johnson gun.

>>66291507
I think we worked out some common guns in Britain for the 50s right before the apocalypse last thread, will go find it

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>>66291507
>once again fail to actually post the gun
By its inclusion I don't mean to push a Nazi flavor onto the germans/long dead germans more just an immediate post-war, right back into the fire sort of experience.

>>66291578
>>66291564
No worries anon, some gun stuff was talked about last thread, like this one and some of the responses
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>>66291578
>fail again, post StG 43 instead of 45
However, a fun point is the fact that these things are essentially what HK still produces

Alright, I'm going to quickly whip up a map for this. Tell me if I'm missing anything, or have any names wrong.
Landed Factions:
>Caerleon
>Kewnow Leage
>Yorkshire
>Lancashire
>Turing Sect
>Raider Resurgence
>Horned men
>Horned men II: Shetland Boogaloo
>Orkney isles
>Northern lords of Edinburgh
>Icelandic raiders in the Hebrides
Zones:
>London zone
>Midlands (industrial) zone

>>66291657
The Horned Men can be split up into two families on both the islands.

>>66291657
We have one or two minor ones, Harold the mad is somewhere around Worcester, and the fiefdom of Howitzer doesn’t actually have a location, if you want to pick one

>>66291507
I would think its still the M4 though there likely is still a fair amount of M1s laying about. Did the Brits use the good old Ma Deuce at all?

>>66291610
>>66291578
Just thinking, if any Cornish suicide missions into France could recover any foreign old-age guns, some might pay quite a bit for what would be a true one of a kind weapon

>>66291764
Not sure about the use of that, but an anon had suggested the EM2 being a more mainstay rifle right before the apocalypse

>>66291764
they did, but not in the same numbers they had more bren guns, but it was more common in her colonies.

>>66291782
I imagine this is the big trade for the Cornish. Getting a hold of the rare hard to get artifacts that no one else could feasibly recover. Stuff like cultural relics, documents from Before, foreign guns and ammunition to be sold or reproduced. Even off Zone beasts for study and sport.

>>66291816
EM2/SA80
M1/lee enfield
StG(basically an AK in .223)

>>66291848
Yeah, foreign guns could be very valuable for both a rich nobleman wanting a weapon fit for his title, or talented gunsmiths to see how different old-age guns were made

>>66291764
I'm saying an American expeditionary force in the final apocalyptic war during the 60's brought them, thought I don't know if they would be using M14s or surplus M1 Garands put through an upgrade kit for the sudden war.

Actually, we ought to decide if NATO had standardized its rounds (or tried) before the fall of civilization

>>66291890
I would say at 53 they likely hadn't though I might be wrong on that. Though for purposes of gameplay they might have?

>>66291890
cut off year is 1956, if it wasn't feasible by that year it didn't happen.

let me relist known events:
>1953 zone-events occur
>1955 total world event and assault, things escalate
>1960 all military command is broken and local communication is down
>1965-1985? raider era
>1990-present current era

oldest people are about 40, population of the British isles is 3.5 by estimates

>>66291890
Last threads idea of EM2s being mainstay probably means there wasn’t quite standardisation, as that’s what led to the EM2 being replaced

>>66292009
> just means each EM-2 is a masterwork
>needs specialist gunsmith to make and repair
>muh guilds

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>>66291782
Sell one to a guild town, you'll become a rich man, maybe even their prince. They pay a vey pretty penny for new varieties of gun, and will happy to spend the next forty years studying every little bolt.

Speaking of, I heard there's a flying gravestone above Manchester, one that calls thunderstorms on men that go about armed.

>>66292042
>Flying gravestone striking the armed with lightning
Ok, this I need to hear about

Could probably have some small amounts of American and french gear in the hands of any mercenary descendants of troops who made it across the channel in the second Dunkirk Evacuation

You guys have heard of britbongsteros right?
>https://m.1d4chan.org/wiki/Britbongsteros

>>66292009
there was a 7.62 version made, apparently. I'd only say standardization might happen earlier than in our timeline because of the increased tensions from the extrasolar radiation, dead zones, and war.

Then again, I assume any battle rifle is bespoke by the time of the current setting, whether an heirloom maintained by a noble line or a masterwork of some guild town. Likewise with the AKs and Valmets of the Norsemen, of the CETMEs that were cherished by the Spanish houses that came from the continent before the fall.

>>66291959
Perhaps we should set in the the early 2000s

>>66291890
Cut off is 1956 as for technology

>>66291657
Looks good anon :)

>>66292152
>there is suppose to be a Maunsell Fort faction who horded a bunch of old tech
>they don't interact with people much and are focused on building something to fight the zones back.
>they are often seen flying Catalinas, and supermarine spitfires over the island and sell maps and masterwork old world tech to the monks of turning sect and the sec at the cliffs of Dover.
see last thread

>>66292075
Well, the man I heard the tale from said it was his company's sharp shooter that was looking at it, and she was describing it to the spotter, who was the one that made it back to the rest of the group. But the sharpshooter told the spotter that it looked like a flying monument, big and stately, with a gnarled little statue atop it. I can't tell the story like he did, but the man said it was just a glint in the sky to him, until the birds flew from the trees they were hiding among and a flashing burning bolt hit the sniper; he ran back down to his commander, and they went no father up that way

>>66292255
I would alnost say they're a group that exists in the channel island region. Their old ships and forts used as staging grounds while their civilians live island side in peace.

>>66292439
naw, the whole outfit is in these forts, they built floating barges and bunk in the forts. they have people on constant deployment in trawlers fishing, exploring, or performing experiments.

they expanded the forts.

>>66292487
That woeks as well. Does anyone live on those islands or aee they just stopover spots between the mainland?

>>66292245
Cool. Turns out nailing down where exactly Zones are is trickier than I thought it would be. I've been basing it off of three different "layers", with a centre, middle, and edge area. Current areas as centres of Zones (around Cornwall) are:
>Plymouth
>Exeter
>Barnstaple
>Bristol
>Weston
>Weymouth
That sort of size is the minimum cutoff I'm using for Zones, just to make sure it's actually a Deathroad to Cornwall.
More major Zones, in the rest of mainland Britain are:
>London
>Birmingham
>Manchester
>Liverpool
>Glasgow
>Swansea
>Sheffield
Probably going to scatter a few more smaller ones around too, and once I'm done I'll post a pic, and start on nation borders.

>>66292514
layover, there is some dead-zone splurge there, kind of like on the "isle of wights."

>>66292527
Nice stuff anon
Maybe mark some areas as being generally dead-zoney, as the smallest can be less than a kilometre across

Is that stuff last thread on Yorkshire and stuff this thread on some of the early SWoTR ok? Last thread was trying to balance out the downsides to the League as they were all they had, and this thread, following on from an anon killing the Desert Rats I tried to lead that into the battle of Northampton, which turned out near the same as the real one

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the Dead Industries:

Once called Liverpool the Dead industries has long since become far from Productive. Though the Meridian of the Zone was once a valued site, the ailing factory floors filled with good iron to be smelted and re-finished into something that can be usable and, at least in the Meridian a low level of anomalous activity.

But, as the Zone became picked clean of useful materials and raids delved into the Mantle the nature of the The Dead Industries became abundantly apparent. Within lay a maze of broken buildings, strange ferrous objects made of seemingly melted metal that had been blasted in days past rose to form a forest of metallic spires, their bodies branching out and tipped with razor sharp needles the color of copper oxide. Strange as these were they at least do not actively pose a danger. However, roaming among the metal forests were strange entities beings composed of crackling electrical energy and spinning shards of razor sharp metal. Alongside these ghouls hunt for the unwary their bodies altered as well and their blood acidic. As they become Ghasts metallic plates form upon their bodies their hands fusing to become wickedly sharp blades of bone and steel.

Having seen these threads in the catalog a couple times but never having entered, I have to ask: is this just STALKER but with 50's tech and in the British isles, or is there more going on to it than that?

>>66293049
Its a lot more folkloric on its take but honestly its that far off. The economy of the setting is also not as tied to the Zones because of their weirdness so much as they are the major cities that held a lot of important shit that people are trying to recover. There's also an emphasis on things such as knights and chivalry being a thing.

>>66293049
As the other anon said, a lot has gone medieval, we’ve got kings fighting over claims and Scandinavians invading the north
50s tech is rare and valuable

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This is what I've come up with so far. Red, orange and yellow are Zones, purple is untamed, essentially uninhabited land (with only small Zones, and widespread anomalies), and pink is land with "civilization", meaning anything from a few hamlets to a full fledged nation state.
Maroon are the borders of the 4 main powers that I've thought about so far (York, the Lancastrians, Caerleon, and Cornwall). I've got to add a bunch more stuff, like other factions, as well as cities, keys, and so on too, but I thought I'd post an outline anyway.

>>66293281
That is fucking dope dude.

>>66293281
Kick ass stuff anon
But what’s with that little circle in Yorkshire?

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>>66293365
I'm surprised you noticed that desu. It's meant to be Leeds (or rather, what's left of it). It's got a number of rather stubborn survivalists, raider remnants, and assorted scum, that simply refuse to be cleansed from the ruins. While Yorkshire has attempted to annex the place (and in fact succeeded), they can't seem to hold it for long without having a prohibitively expensive amount of men and equipment either desert, fall to insurgents, or just straight up go missing.

>>66293571
Nice, I like it

>>66293571
as an american is Leeds that bad?

>>66293720
Even most northerners i meet say it's pretty grim, if that means anything to you.
The picture isn't Leeds anyway, it's Aberystwyth. Only reason I have it saved is because a mate ended up going to uni there.

some info on medieval warfare and life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydoRAbpWfCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHgw6epe14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmpn3nn2qE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46qP1l39V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAruY1lv6N4

>>66293720
I though something like that would happen
>the Yorkshire army approaches Leeds after the latest repulsion
> this time things were different
>there is an old tri-angle river fort of ireland
>there are siege works ready
>but most stunning is the strange flag
> at first he thought it might be an Irish earl or a Frenchman trying to re-live some imperial glory but no, his grand father had told him of a lost colony way across the ocean, of the brave men who stood in defiance of the English long ago
>"those brave few who fled across the sea, but never underestimate them for they can turn chaos into the best laid plan."
>why he would be putting up roots in Leeds is baffling.

>>66293017
Those that manage to reach deeper into the Dead Industries find that ghouls are the least of their issues. Massive congolmerations of concrete and steel roam, buried within are strange amorphous organisms which wear the rubble as armor and use it to shape them into the form of beasts. Their spittle burns the flesh and electrical energy crackles along their forms. These Ferro-beasts roam the deeper parts of the mantle snatching Ghouls, spirits and the living without care their bodies and energies absorbed and rendered into components to fuel their roaming.

>>66293890
However, The risk is often worth the rewards. Metal composites unlike anything forged by smiths can be found that make for excellent blades and armor. Factories in the Mantle lay untouched, their contents ready to be brought once more into the greater world and plans for a myriad of useful machines may also be found as well.

But, to survive such efforts requires skill and caution. Many souls have been lost to the Industries their bodies impales upon the Metal trees or feasts for ghouls.

>>66294083
you mind if I put an isle of man outpost next to Liverpool? Rare metal composites/alloys seem right up their alley, and they're already positioned in a good place to send expeditions.

>>66294117
Doesn't bother me in the slightest dude. Im not even sure its really an accurate description for Liverpool the one near me is a suburb.

>>66294117
I’d say that sounds good, might also be helpful for them to have small spots bordering some of the groups who would make use of their services

>>66294234
Yeah, I posted an image slightly above with a stuff like that on, e.g. Lancashire leasing Blackpool as a trading port with them, like Singapore for instance.

>>66294280
Nice
Really need to get some sleep, but will try to contribute some more stuff in the morning

>>66294358
yeah, hadn't noticed the time. jesus.

>>66294083
Thoughts on this by the way? I May do one for London next

>>66294082
can there be a foreign sect, a kingdom made up of almost exclusively refugees and non-British folk, sort of a psuedo "United States" but it calls its self like the "estate national." I would put them as close to London as is safe.

it would have:
>Americans
>French
>Germans
>Spaniards
>Italians
>commonwealth
>Swiss

its very fractured internally but they have a strong mutual protection treaty. can they be say in suffolk-norfolk area?

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>>66294082
Horned Men’s Banner

>>66294683
I kinda thought from some other guys that was Leeds?

>>66294683
Check Dover on the map above, with the little tiny French flag. It's very small, but it'd make sense to expand it.

>>66294794
And now that I think about it, the last refuge of the French being in Hastings would be pretty funny come to think of it.

>>66294683
I mean, maybe rally small settlements but remember that generations have passed at this point.

They all would’ve lost old cultural identities and nationalities and picked up new ones.

Most People have lifespans of late 40s to early 50s these days.
60’s for kings and lords

>>66294794
Would also make sense as Dover is a mainland staging point. So I could see it becoming a rallying point for those trapped upon the isles.

>>66294851
>>66294864
Given that it's hemmed in by the London Zone to the north, and the Isle of Wights to the East, there's really not much in the region of SE-England to stop them from becoming the hegemon there, especially given that they'd have a lot of military hardware at the very beginning, due to the mass evacuations of Europe and elsewhere.
If I make it in the Kent/Surrey/Sussex area, what flag should I give it? Or do you think it would have perhaps split by nationality into different fragments?

>>66294851
True but that composite might be a fun idea though a sort of Hodge podge that didn't jive with the greater isle.

>>66294933
I would use the UN flag as the main banner (as this would to them be an homage to the American flag and its symbolism), and have a few smaller settlements that have "pacts" like a German and a french one they are officially independent but in practice they supply part of their guard to act as coalition forces.

FYI I'm the guy who posted the Leeds thing, its suppose to be a one time Rambo joke.

>>66295170
Cool, I'll try to do that tomorrow.
>its suppose to be a one time Rambo joke.
how tf did I miss that lol

>>66291959
>population of the British isles is 3.5 by estimates
You, me, Brenda and the dog. Three and a half.

>>66295265
Hey that dog is our future!

>>66295265
>3.5 million
>Brenda better get busy

>>66295290
Future stew

>>66295357
Speaking of what dog breeds what might still be around. Have new ones been developed?

>>66295377
they all would end up looking like German shepherds, you can use the US feral dog population as a standard, the only thing that would change is that they would have features of the favorite breeds of the UK.

>>66295377
>>66295419
We need a faction that specializes in war dogs

>>66295227
some lore for them:
>not too long after 2nd Dunkirk thousands of refugees piled into the London outskirts
>American solders and their families fled in hope of linking up with command
>Swiss and Italians who made the trek north hoping to flee the dead-zones only to be hallowed by them once again.
>many,many French and Germans who managed to make it to what was their last safe heaven
>there were some Spaniards who had sailed north, after seeing France their prayers were answered having hit near Cornwall, they were directed with the others.
>Hollanders who fled
>there were also a number of oriental migrants from India, Hong-kong, Vietnam, and Polynesia
>the Americans took the lead, having experience with dealing with refugee groups and the variety of culture, but their numbers were small and were swallowed up after the years went by.
>the French refused to stay with the others holding a strong nationalistic pride.
>the Germans initially planned on building a counter offensive and entrenched.
>the others while they learned English, much to the help of the Americans and commonwealth, would often meet in enclaves to practice and share their native culture.
>like all things the native population grew resentful and started doing "witch burning," this lead to that and the raider era started.
>what emerged was a coalition people ousted by the greater population, but determined to make a life in what little land them have.

>>66295879
would have to be a farming/ranching community, this has been historically the groups that keep such animals.

>>66293281
>>66294082
good shit anon

As regards locations, the Earldom of Warwick is there in its historical borders, the industrial cities of the west midlands are rubble (Birmingham) & a Zone (Coventry) however.
Isolationist but slowly expanding into what they refer to as 'the Danelaw' around themselves, also home to the headquarters of the Order of Black Tears at the (rebuilt) Kenilworth Castle.

Other places I've mentioned
> Paris, now an eldritch light show that Man is not welcome in.
> the USSR is irradiated as fuck, a continent spanning Chernobyl (at best).

>>66296100
>Artyom, there is nothing but metro!

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>>66296100
the monsters range far in Russia, but the men wander further, and are as bitter as the cold in their pursuit.

>some monks of Turing stumble upon unpublished papers on the mysterious extrasolar radiation pulses by chance in the ruins of Cambridge
>they're driven away by the deadly german auto-knight that had taken up in the ruins, but eventually return to look for more pieces
>its mostly lost on them, but they do like the idea of large telescopes

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>>66297181

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cDqaDJykx2hYP3gO3wNrknAajH5yyWKePk47ZFdkKqw/edit?usp=drivesdk

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there are some lonely homesteads and keeps on the continent, flickering lights in the darkness, but they are rare. And much more is the horror, they are sometimes overtaken, if not by the things in the night, than by the strange madness that can taint the minds of isolated men over generations.

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>>66297599
Europe is not alone in the regards of mutative horror.
But Imagine the horror of the Black Forests

>>66288903
Have there been any mention of hooliganism as the 'English Disease' yet?
>A nasty sort of virus has slowly spread with the raiders, supposedly from London
>Those infected will have increased levels of aggression and lowered inhibition to violence, effects increase as the virus ravages the body
>If left untreated it causes increased muscle mass and lowered intelligence
>The virus is spread via blood
>Some of the raiders use hooligan-infected as a kind of shock troop, their own berserker squads,if you will

>>66297688
>once an group of infected stowed away on a ship intending to make for the Americas
>nobody knows what happened to it, certainly no later ships that found english shores found it or had record of its arrival
>though there is rumor that Hooliganism has infected the people of the southern continent

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>>66297688
"THERE YOU IZ! I'z break ur legs and stew you for bein un'merican."

>>66297770
>they were raided by the Amazonian death cults and Colombian/Valenzuelan "diablos" (drug fueled psychos)

>see previous post for the status of the Americas

>>66294082
did you forget the Scottish? aren't they on crusade?

>>66298251
The Scots get fanatics that come south once in awhile in groups,

>>66296100
Adapted one battle of the WoTR, and was planning to adapt the one to follows it, but will try to find how to do it without Warwick seeing their neutrality this time around

>>66297684
I don't want to. Especially as that's the birthplace of Grim fairytales.

>>66299088
every time you do that abbreviation think of KoTOR, LoTR, and GOT.

>Following the success at Northampton, a failed attempt on King Edward’s life occurred
>Some time after, an entrenched Yorkist force abandoned their position to charge into the enemy
>It is unknown what lead to the charge, be it direct orders or scouts giving far smaller enemy numbers than reality, but both Lords leading the force were captured and unchivalrously executed
Conniving activity against Edward has lowered noticeably

>>66299194
> and GOT.
That's not too far from the mark

>>66298251
I'm nowhere near done yet, I'll work on it a bit more today.

>>66299194
Yeah, might be getting a little lazy in typing out the full name for it
>>66299202
This and the other stuff seem ok for it?

>>66291564
See >>66291075
They'd be some of the most common (or at least well-known) guns around, right?

>>66299287
Oh yeah, for sure
They would be quite prevalent, just meant that some of the most modern stuff would be things like EM2s as the rarest stuff, mostly in the hands of the rich or mercenaries

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>>66298251
>>66298994
The scots are a bunch of citystates dominated by Clan-Families, that supposedly answer to their high bishop.

The way it's put togeather so far the rulers of the city are democraticly elected. But ya'know... when all three canidates are Mac'leod's, two of them are brothers, and one's a cousin from the country side. It's fairly easy to tell who the nobility are.

The Bishop can't really force the Clans to do things, but he got that soft power like the pope.

The Scots got a cathoic based faith with tons of dogma about repenting because when the shit hit the fan, and they couldn't grow enough food to feed their population with overseas trade breaking down. Cannibalisim was rampant.

Basicly take the concept of original sin, and replace it with somthing waaaaaaaaay more recent than the garden of eden.

>I find it funny that scots in this setting don't publicly believe witchcraft is primitive supersticion. But they'll still burn you on charges of heresy and cannibalisim if some priest says so.

>if the harvest in scotland is bad, expect fanatics to wander south in search of death by combat with monsters and beasts. better than putting a burden on the community, and a sacred duty.

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In the immediate aftermath of the Zones and the wars preceding and following, East Anglia was relatively untouched, with few bombs dropped, and no major Zones forming.
Despite the intact population and farmland however, there was very little to no industry, and as weeks turned to months turned to years, any equipment that couldn't be made by a village blacksmith decayed to nothing.

In the current era of the Isles, East Anglia has some of the lowest technology, and highest population, causing a reversion to an almost feudal, medieval style of agriculture and combat. As this slide took generations at least, many Old British organisational systems survive, and the three foremost powers are now Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Suffolk.

>>66299416
That looks great anon!

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>Other than the Desert Rats, there is thought to be one highly operational tank force (few enough have survived encounters to know numbers for sure), operating somewhere in the south - some say down near Kernow, others say it sallies out of Cambridge region, called the Ironsides, a formidable foe known for their religion and toughness both, and the speed and power of the vehicles they possess

>>66299474
Holy shit how did nobody think of Ironsides in goddamn CROMWELLS until now
Great work anon

>>66299434
...ignore the big square bird in Berkshire.
>>66299474
metal as fuck dude!
>>66299416
>the United States of Kent and Sussex (USKS)
I've ended up dividing the groups up into 4 main states: French, US, and the Commonwealth as main powers, with other Europeans being the westmost. Sealand lies slightly to the north, with close ties to the USKS (especially the Commonwealth), and an entrance to the USKS is not out of the question.
>The Division
In the far-off, mystical days of 1976, Sussex and Kent are some of the few regions of the UK with any semblance of order left, partially due to their isolation, and partially due to their military organisation and strict authoritarianism. However, the higher ups of the most represented nations were experiencing gradually mounting tensions, and the leaders of these factions simply couldn't reconcile systemic, cultural, and linguistic differences between rulers.
As such, a split of the region was proposed, between the self styled governments-in-exile, separating their leadership and land ownership, but remaining linked in a pseudo-federal relationship:

>>66299748
>US
>Capital: Dover
>Organisation: Military Junta
Being the paramount power during the Division, the Americans hold the largest city in the region and the pre-1976 Capital, Dover, and the furthest geographical area from London-That-Was. Due to this lack of land based threats, they have taken the role of "regional police": providing excess men to reinforce their western comrades in holding their borders, or brutally crushing peasant and Native rebellions, frequently and often.
>Commonwealth
>Capital: Maidstone
>Organisation: Parliamentary Monarchy
With a population most culturally similar to the Natives, the Commonwealth is the most lenient to their subject peoples compared to other USKS member states, allowing them say in the actions of the aristocracy through a common Parliament. They consider themselves the true heirs the the British Empire of old, and are staunch revanchists, moving their Capital each time they claim more territory from the London-That-Was. They have a close relationship with Sealand to the north, with a direct land connection to the Sealandish Isle of Sheppey, leading to a healthy trade relationship, often of scrap and food for arms, vehicles, and food.

>>66299756
>New France
>Capital: Petit Paris (formerly Hastings)
>Organisation: Military Junta
The French, perhaps the second most populous of the evacuees, managed to claim arguably the second best preserved town in the area as their centre, Hastings. Their passion to reclaim France from the horrors of the mainland has led them to working closely with the Cornish in the past in sending expeditions to the mainland. Rumour has it that they will pay handsomely for relics of their lost homeland, to place in the reliliquaries of Petit Paris. Their stance on the Natives is much the same as the Americans, their armies always ready to deal with uprisings, as their northern border is very defensible, with the river Medway making up the majority of it. A major issue of contention in this area however is how to deal with were-beasts.
>European Confederation
>Capital: Eastbourne
>Organisation: Feudal Monarchy
Made up of a hodge-podge of different Europeans, fragmentation of this region continued until many minor war-lords representing their home nations were too weak to fend off Native rule, leading to this area being a patchwork of various mainland ethnic groups being ruling classes in some places, and natives in others, represented by the flag, a fusion of the old-Sussex and the new-European. Theoretically all lordships and principalities in European Confederation answer to the High-King in Eastbourne, however in practice this is rarely the case. With little cohesion, large mostly undefended borders with 2 zones, readily available arms from their neighbors, and close proximity to both the Isle of Wights and the Mainland, this region is one of the most harsh and difficult regions to live and work in the entirety of the South of England.

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>>66299756
>Dover
I mean, if anywhere would fall, I wouldn't assume that - I'd have thought air bases and a different port, Dover's a ridiculous fort

Would it be odd to have some Roman-Briton inspired force operating out of Pompey? (Portsmouth, which is also a massive naval base and dockyard, all known as "pompey")

>>66299851
Well that's the thing: these people were let in as evacuees as things started to go tits up in Europe. They only really took over when UK organisation started to break down, as the foreigners there had more centralized organisation.

A fortress isn't worth much when there's nobody left to defend it.

>>66299748
I was a tad confused by the square, but otherwise it’s looking good!

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>>66299899
I've put one just south of Oxfordshire. This is probably all I'll do today though.

>>66300042
Looking good, any ideas where to slap some of the little fiefdoms like Harold or Howitzer?

>>66300374
There's a bunch of space that's open in both the north east and in wales. Can't really put it in the south because of the raider resurgence thing that's meant to be going on there.

>>66300042
Can we get a key, with full flags?
(Got to have a flag, just ask Eddie Izzard)

>>66300458
Sure, I'll put one together real quick.

Haven’t got the time right now, but want to eventually try and make one or two regional maps that look like they’ve been done over ordnance survey maps

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>>66300458
this isn't everything yet, but it's all the flags of what I've done so far.
>>66300649
yeah, hopefully it'll look better than my shitty MSPaint masterpieces lol

>>66300683
It’s looking good anon, don’t put yourself down

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>>66300683
That feel when your shitty little island is entirely French

Btw a interesting plot point Sheppy has a Military Transport ship LOADED with ammo just of the coast and still does called the Montgomery, the ship was hauling some 20,000 tonnes of Explosive and now just sits off the Coast might be a plot point for you guys.

Also Fun fact The Island was "Technically" a Dutch conquered island due to the invasion in the 16th Century where the Dutch Fleet burned down a lot of the English Fleet at Chatham, on Paper The Sheppy Isle would be considered dutch territory (they legit forgot to declare the area back in British hands so weird rules as written it was a dutch colony until the 1960's when we got our "Independence" back we now use it as a reason to throw a fair and get drunk.

Also nobody in this thread has mentioned the Knights of God sort of fits the vibe I'm getting here.

>>66300753
Look closer dude, Sheppey is Sealandic! It's the only non-artificial land that they possess, and a major trading hub between East-Anglia, Sussex, and Kent, so it's a probably one of the nicer places to live in that part of England.

>>66300753
>>66300831
I'll definitely go back over the flags eventually to make things more clear too.

Any other ideas for smaller little fiefdoms?

>>66300831
Oh shit! My bad, no glasses on!

Sweet Sealand is Best land!

>With the removal of more disloyal elements of army and their lords with them at Wakefield, more gaps were left in the Yorkist army requiring mercenaries to swiftly fill
>This gap and the prior losses were to be filled with the Highlanders and Men of Stirling, both groups sharing some form of brotherhood with the Desert Rats as “Sons of Monty”
>This is by no means cheap, and King Edward has only been able to afford this through gaining the favour of the Order of Saint Turing, granting them the Minster in liberated York as a new base of operations across the Irish Sea, for construction of another great computer to fill the hallowed halls along with whatever else the monks do within their monasteries

>>66300683
i wouldn't mind if warwickshire wound up on the map friendo.
Also
> new france
Harry.
Get the longbow.

>>66301547
So, building computers is A bit like building a cathedral for the Order?

>>66302173
Building giant computers in cathedrals!
Back from when they were first invented:
“The order of Saint Turing traces it's roots to scholars that had fled to Ireland. In the End Time. They had become hunted souls by those who had turned back to fear and superstitions. In North Ireland they fled and hid among the monks of the now all but extinct Catholic faith. And, over the years developed a new gospel based upon the belief that, mathematical formula are the divine language of God. To this end each monastery has a hand built computer designed to run various formula in their fervent search for an answer and guidance from on high. The order also has over the decades helped establish such things as medical care, record keeping and a brewers industry using knowledge recovered or saved from the Dead Zones. Often the monks will hire those brave, or desperate enough to go to such places in hopes of recovering more useful materials.”

>>66301806
Giben the New French also have literal were-beasts living smong them...might need a bigger bow or a gun.

Goddamn captcha has a tick in it but nothing is posting

>>66302470
Oh, phew, nothing would post for a while
>Not all foreign survivors of the Second Dunkirk Evacuation decided to settle down in the south-east
>There are some few mercenary groups roaming the isles in the livery of foreign old-age armies, such as the Great Red Ones or the Free Francs

>>66300683
What's preventing Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk or Cambridgeshire from expanding and claiming those vast stretches of pink/civilized land, in the North and East England?

>>66302551
I guess a lot of that land is either yet to be filled, or is home to lots of minor settlements or fiefdoms
Probably preoccupied with existing wars, or don’t want to fight such a bloody war just for conquest

So how’s the home-front for Lancashire amidst the war? Think I’ve done enough for now for Yorkshire

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so, any curses among the new nobility?

>>66302885
I imagine it's something of a 'the war is being won, we cannoy lose.' But hey never know maybe there's growing resentment towards the effort though as losses continue to mount,

>>66303730
Did write in some stuff on tensions rising between more “chivalrous” folk and the others, as old-age tech they look down upon is used to kill the desert rats
>>66303306
Could have some high-ups in the french territory secretly be were-francs

>>66303306
Thats A good question really given radiation fuckery maybe some have less thsn human ancestry?

>>66303306
>The whole of a noble family wear thick gloves at all times to hide the fact they all miss their middle fingers, terrified that this “horrifying radiation-brought curse” being discovered will get them lynched

>>66303306
Some Yorkist noble heirs can magically disappear

Should we take another look at a rules system?

>>66302551
yeah what >>66302621 says, it's yet to be filled, I'm kind of waiting for somebody to mention what's going on there.

>>66304608
Seems like prime space for Warwick and lots of minor settlements and fiefdoms, so we should probably make some more
Any ideas?

>>66304608
Well, significant areas in those regions include:
>Edinburgh
>Newcastle and Sunderland
>Nottingham?
>Northampton?
The Southern portion doesn't have any significant settlements which aren't on the very border of Zones/wilderness, unless you want to mysteriously make places like Lincoln, Boston and Peterborough important.

>>66304852
>>66304948
i'd rather not just put things in which have nothing to do with the thread. Plan is to add things as people mention them organically, y'know?

>>66305044
That’s fair
In that case all we have right now are Howitzer and Harold the Mad, and Warwick
I’ll go back and check the old threads in case there’s one or two more

>>66304608
>>66304852
There's always the Scottish clan-city system, but I'm not sure if it'd be better to show that as a singular entity or to actually map out all the different clans
Obviously the first option is way easier but considering the limited authority of the archbishop of Edinburgh it's not the most indicative of the situation on the ground

>>66304490
It definitely couldn't hurt. I'd think getting a good balance between firearms and traditional weapons would be a pretty big priority, alongside figuring out what a player with the Curse could do (and how fucked up they would get from using their magic)

>>66305150
My vote is still tweaking dark heresy or WFRP to make it work.

>>66305420
I’m still up for that

>>66288903
I see this as essentially fallout in Britain. Very few military weapons due to arms restrictions, so most people have old ww2 weapons that were put in armories a long time ago, or even artifacts from museums. The reality warping shit can make sense in the fallout universe if for example there was an alien abduction or paradoxical shit happening just as the bombs fell.

>>66305137
I've put Warwickshire between river Trent and river Avon, with a sort of defence in depth strategy going on.

>>66305558
We’ve got the pre-apocalypse aesthetic the same, but pre-apocalypse tech was also just 50s, and current tech is chock full of medieval plate and weapons

>>66301547
>Edward’s fraternising with mercenaries has led to some mercenary leaders apparently being offered lordship to reign in the place of the treacherous and deceitful who have been killed in the war
>This has been controversial to many, especially those that look down upon these imitators of the old-age

Cornish artifacts, stolen from the ruins of Europe:
>Zonestones
These don't have to be stones and can take a variety of forms, for a chunk of rubble, to crumpled scrap metal, to a broken device from the old world. They have no function, other than how they react to the extrasolar radiation given off by Zones. As soon as it enters a Zone, a zonestone will begin to levitate and rotate rapidly. If left alone in a Zone, a zonestone will never stop floating and spinning, trapped in a state of perpetual motion.
>Null Lead
Thought to have been devised during the last days of the old world, null lead is universally found within sophisticated machines, taking the form of cylinders that are five feet long and half an inch in diameter. The Cornish reforge any null lead they find into more practical shapes, such as blades, spearheads, arrowheads and even bullets. Objects made of this substance are immune to the Zone's reality-warping influence, and are extremely toxic to Zone mutants.
>Powerless Machines
Zones have a habit of distorting reality, causing some objects to mutate dramatically while causing others to be frozen in time, or caught in a loop. When it comes to powered devices, being trapped in such a static state can be rather useful. Known as 'Powerless,' these undying machines can be anything from light bulbs that never go dark, to engines that never stop running, to heaters that never go cold.
>Hazard Repellent Suit
Another invention devised towards the end of the old world, this bizarre full-body suit combines hazmat suits and body armor. A dull black lobster-like carapace covers the torso and the joints, on top of a thick layer of tacky grey leather that covers the entire body, complete with a foreboding gas mask and heavy, unwieldy boots. Not only is this rubbery material shockingly durable, but it protects its wearer from the influence of extrasolar radiation.

>>66306435
>Whilst arrogance has cost the Yorkists some severe early losses, another bold move has been made
>Whilst the arrival of the Highlanders bolsters the depleted troops in the main fighting, the Men of Sterling, skilled saboteurs and navigators, have stepped forward to creep through harsh dead zones and wreak havoc behind Lancastrian lines, before slipping away back into the zones where pursuit may easily draw the hunger of worse beings

>>66306777
Nice stuff, and checked
Those suits would be pretty cool for Kernows finest, as they won’t sell everything after all
Would probably be very useful to them given how they’re nearly trapped by dead zones

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I've done a few more things on the map. First is Warwickshire, between Avon and Trent. Second is adding in a bunch of Scottish Clans, dominated by their religious centre in Edinburgh (the dotted lines aren't fixed, they're just to give some idea of the subdivisions there). Finally, I've added some locations for the Order of Saint Turing, including a capital in Wexford, as well as a permanent presence in Limerick, the Gower (often used as neutral ground between Caerleon and Kernow), and a few other locations. They also have some missions open in York, Cardiff, St.Ives, and Oxford.

>>66291863
>StG(basically an AK in .223)
More like a AK in 7.62 NATO

>>66307013
What's the weird, blobby path from the Isle of Wight up towards Warick?

>>66307013
Great stuff anon!
In case you’re looking for anything else Irish, I think we have a little bit of stuff about some Irish Sea-raiders along some of the coastline, but so far not much else aside from them existing, and sailing north to help defend Northern Ireland from the Icelanders
Raider resurgence would probably just be on an ever-moving warpath between low-tech fiefdoms they hope to take on without much trouble

>>66299900
10/10 the American evacuees were mostly military, and would have been because we kept a large military presence but did very little vacationing. so it isn't likely that there would be a large number of American capitalist millionaires in the population. I suspect they operate on martial law, which in American terms means each criminal is charged by a board of officers in their chain of command, but they have a small shrine dedicated to the constitution as it was in 1955 at their political capital.

the probably have a very spartan attitude of "this isn't our land, but these are our brothers."

probably the 2nd friendliest old world power nation. 1st being the commonwealth, who basically preserve the purist spirit of the British government.

>>66295879
Maybe base it on the war dogs used by ancient britons against the romans ?

>>66291507
How common would captured germans weapons be in post WW2 britain ?
I know the germans used a lot of captured weapons but i am not sure about the british

>Across the Welsh wastes, many other small kingdoms have arisen from the castles spanning the lands
>From Laugharne to Conwy, these kingdoms rule with armoured knights and men at arms defending their lands from the dead zones and their gruesome inhabitants
>Many of these strongholds work with what little, little industry they have to restore small portions of the railways across Wales, to connect their keeps and move supplies and men about with great speed, but these dreams are thought by many to be just that, dreams.

>>66307276
I’d say a very small few could have survived through until now through being treasured War-trophies, or recovered from Europe by Kernow suicide missions

>>66307170
Yeah, there's the Horned Men too, so all in all the Atlantic coasts of Scotland and Ireland are going to be really busy. Problem is I don't really know much about the area, so it's going to be a pain in the ass to put everybody in places which make sense.
>>66307149
As of yet, I'm not sure. I'd thought about making it a part of Oxfordshires' fortified highway system, but felt like it wouldn't fit very well. It contains Southhamton, Portsmouth, Winchester, and a bit of Reading as of now, but that can all change.
I don't know if it would make sense to completely remove it, as (gameplay wise) it would be nice to have a land link between the south coast and the rest of England.
Actually now that I think about it, having them be the artillery fiefdom would make some sense, maybe shelling the Isle of Wights to keep it in check?
>>66307199
Yeah that's pretty much my thinking on the whole thing, glad you like it!

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I wonder what guns would the horned men use
Probably whatever the Danish army was using at the time, and a bunch of looted guns (Do the horned men raid places other than england ?)

>>66307453
Were not really sure what’s going on outside of the isles, but could be pretty spooky for someone to realise that some of the Horned Men leaders are carrying high quality foreign guns of the old-age

>>66291305
The few remaining Thompsons would acquire legendary status, even more so with the early models able to use the feared drum magazines

Ok, I really need to get some sleep, will type up some more stuff I’ve thought up tomorrow
Let’s try to keep this going!

>>66307408
>shell the Wight Isle.
This is hilarious in thought, I imagine there's just a random bunch of dudes who get together with some kegs of ale and just drunkenly shelling it.

>>66307931
If there’s nothing else in range to fire at, the venerable artillerymen of Howitzer probably would just have a fun time drinking and shelling the isle as target practise

>>66307571
>standard issue among the American vanguard

we were still using them up until Vietnam, just like the grands.

just so you understand the American Amory at the time and know what American arms the American solders would have brought, assuming they didn't lose them in a suicide charge into London.

the M2 60mm mortar
rifle grenades for M1 garand
the M1 in .30-06
the M1,M2,M3 carbine, in .30 win.
M1 Thompson in .45 ACP
M1 "grease gun" in 9mm or 45 acp
M1911 in .45
M1919, in .30-06
M2 in .50 BMG
Winchester trench shotgun in 12ga
S&W double action in .38/.357 mag
Springfield bolt-action in .30-06

but I suspect there will be solders carrying some:
single action arm revolvers (cowboy) in .45 colt,.44/mag,.38/.357
wellsfargo shotgun (side by side rabbit ears)
and maybe a lever gat in 38/.357,.30-30, .44/mag, or .45-70 in the shitty version of the Winchester or more effective Henry style of the period.

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>>66307502
I wrote that they used weapons made from “Black Iron”, extremely hard and unusually sharp with qualities like obsidian.
This “Black Iron” is warm to the touch, and can be smelted into hardy weapons ,tools and ammunition. Items made from Black Iron are quite valuable and durable.

>>66308377
Oh yeah, melee only with that stuff could be an interesting facet to them, I had meant a rare old-age gun to suggest that there could have been some foreign hold outs, since destroyed by the Horned Men

>During the Second Dunkirk Evacuation, the Royal Navy made a valiant effort to make and hold a secure corridor across the channel for the evacuees
>As volleys of fire tore into gargantuan sea beasts, some did tear through the defensive lines of ships, and many were lost as they tried to cross the water
>As the tide turned against mankind, ship after ship was sunk, or attempted to withdraw from the battle to safety, as the Royal Navy was decimated
>It is said that the very last warship to fall heroically tore apart two entire beasts with cannon fire, ramming a third asunder before finally meeting its fate, allowing the last fleeing survivors to reach safety

>>66308537
Speaking of what are the seabeasts like? Also, what's the Archbishop's stance on the Order and vice versa?

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>>66308463
I was thinking mostly melee weapons, throwing spears, with Guns reserved for leaders or warlords.

>>66308995
Pretty much where we are at with it, knights and well off mercs have them as well.

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>>66308714
Sea beasts sound like a Leviathan like beasts or a Syfy channel monster

>>66308309
to add since I am one if the Americans broke down into medieval melee combat they would issue the "Georgia pike" as a main line weapon. as a side arm they would carry the iconic tomahawk/boarding ax instead of a sword and a buck knife as a backup. the "Georgia" pike is unique because it is a cheap knife ("K-bar") mounted on a pole that is elegant but durable.

the mounted Calvary would carry British style sabers (as was the tradition at the time).
the US Calvary would act more as a scout Calvary than a front line Calvary/light dragoon as per US military doctrine of earlier. periods.

the US-Exile military formations would emphasize flying artillery, light infantry tactics (but actually heavy infantry) as a vanguard, and a line infantry held in a defensible position. their BP cannons would be smaller than most but pack a potent punch against massed infantry formations topping out at a 12 lb mountain howitzer with a preference for a half scale (5lb) (37mm) parrot style gun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNeOv60cYpc).

they would almost universally carry a "Kentucky/Pennsylvania" carbine in .50 or a shorter Brown Bess in .75, probably rifled post production.

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>>66309123
the pike.

>>66309123
I did not expect the US to basically favor the axe over sword but I dig it

>>66309228
they use the 'pick' side to break armor, grapple and the other side for soft tissue/utility.

the Ax is more of a utility than a secondary melee. normally used in combo with the buck-knife, very effective against the unarmed ghouls of London.

they do this because they aren't fighting armies but horrors most of the time.

>>66309321
I can see Scottish and USKS monster hunters having a grudging respect for each other.

>>66309354
I would think the commonwealth complements this by having units carrying a halberd instead and dual kukri knife, referred to as the commonwealth seax. they keep the land pattern long (brown-bess) and rifle it, normally providing a fall back point for the more aggressive American infantry. they normally field superior cannons thanks to their close ties to sea-land.

>>66309566
the Americans like the Spartans would respect their fathers by taking the their pikes and fashioning them into a buck knife they carry into battle, their buck knives are like dog tags and hold deep reverence to the Americans, the commonwealth follows this tradition but with kukri, receiving one from their mother and one from their father symbolizing their allegiance to the commonwealth and to the British empire.

the French totally reverse this and have perhaps the most effective shock force on the island with super heavy infantry and shock Calvary, they don't normally field "rifles" instead opting for long patterned pistols with short stocks, they refer to these as "French-shorts". it isn't uncommon for the french to have three or four of these. they have heavy but short barrel Cannonades instead of formal guns. they prefer to wait for an enemy charge, unleash a cannonade barrage then hail Mary with an infantry/Calvary charge with them firing and dropping the "french-shorts" during the charge.

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>>66309878
the french firearms look like this but scaled to size.

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>>66309123
>>66309228

>>66294083
Landmarks of the Dead Industries:

The Black Springs: Buried among the ruins are what are called the black springs. Geysers of black sooty material that burst from the ground in great gouts, filling the air with a choking haze that strangles the lungs. This dust as it drifts back down congeals and costs the surface of the area and becomes a slick grease that makes travelling dangerous. Those that delve into geysers at great risk find that deep below there is a swirling sea of the dark matter, great shapes stirring within.

The Smelters Field:
A vast stretch of rubble that now is home to a growing number of Cursed souls that seek refuge from wars, plagues and worse. The Smelters field is a stretch of barren land riddled with small pits. within glows an infernal fire that refuses to diminish. Desperate souls build shelters around these pits and collect the refuse of the land to melt in their brilliant multihued fires to resell to those who dare venture to treat with them.

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>>66310387
almost forgot this beauty, "double-ought" 6-pounderer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-barreled_cannon#Concept

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>>66310460
This is the place that has the metal flora right?

I’ve got another plant I wanna suggest

>Razor Vine

>A Plant with properties similar to metal that grows in a creeping vine.

>Very sharp razor-like thorns grow on the vines, digging into rocks, structures and other plants.

>While not too severe in small patches, if left unchecked it can spread rapidly, entangling and snarling structures and choking out other flora and fanua alike.

>Can slice up any unsuspecting traveler that wanders into it.

>>66310671
Its ambiguous if they're trees but I like it. It's like self growing barb wire.

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>>66310720
>Self growing barbwire

That’s exactly what I’m going for lol

I want to imply that this crap could one day spread EVERYWHERE on the main island.

>>66310671
>live in America
>see this post
>basically described kudzu with barbed wire.
>love it

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>>66310771
I want it to be REALLY INVASIVE, to the point settlements might have to migrate from it spreading.

>>66310839
normal kudzu is like that. srsly, if it over takes a house, its easier to burn it down and start over than clear it out. fire departments have it in their itinerary to regularly control-burn the stuff.

to kill it you have to dig up an entire area or constantly fight it for years until the roots die. stuff is nasty and the vines are no joke either.

>>66310883
You in the south?
That’s where it grows right?

>>66310890
absolutely, and a little in the north because of migration.

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Here’s the vibe the French Troops should have.

>>66299416
The Norfolk Broads might swim with vile things be they of the marsh or the air. Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Suffolk form the 3 Crowns once again.

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>>66311026
several french musketeers after and assault. (from the TV series?)

>>66308537
her bow landed just so that you can see it in the water on a clear day with the beast and other ship piled below her. (like in pearl harbor with the US battleship Arizona)

>>66310839
BURN IT, CLENSE IT WITH FIRE
https://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj317/chumbawumba_02/KillItwithFire.jpg

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>>66312443
I in fact do.
pic is not me but a example of how.

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While Chimera exist, especally on the mainland. They are defined by their unnatural mix of human and beastial features. But retain enough cognitive abilities to clad themselves in rough armor and forge themselves primitive weapons.

What seperates the horned men from your typical chimera is their inteligence and spiritual practices. Along with a few supernatural abilities, much in the same way other practioners of thaumatergy and faiths are known to have spiritual abilities such as exorcisim and holy wraith.

>The center of the spiritual world is the Isle of Anglesy, also known as the Isle of Druids.
>As in WW1 and WW2, During The Last War the island was home to a POW camp containing russian, turkish, and rebel POW's from across the former empire.
>This fortification is also both the largest structure on the island, and has had a massive series of engraved standing stones placed around the property line of the camp. Each covered with illumicent blue spraypaint.
>Attempts to research or remove these stones for study have met with vehiment opposition from the locals.
>Attempts to force the horned men off the isle by enterprising members of The Kernow Leauge have also met with unexpected opposition.
>On the other hand no horned men have ever sallied forth from the isle. They arrive, and they do not leave.

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>>66312732
how Americans cook stakes.

>>66312744
There's also that joke from the A-Team about the guy cooking the steak with gunpowder.

>>66309878
Nice stuff!
>>66307360
This sound ok as a plan to populate some more of Wales? Rather isolated kingdoms trying to make some thin land corridors through the zones to build railways on

>>66310839
>Teams bearing thick gloves and wire cutters often attempt to push back against the rapid expansion of razor vine, but this is not easy whilst other beasts roam around the vine’s conquest

>Under “General” Ruber’s command, the raider resurgence has begun to cut a bloody path through smaller settlements and fiefdoms lacking the technology or experience to fend off a foe bearing guns and even a small number of mechanical beasts, who can tear a man apart with their flails
>This advance rarely stops, only for consolidating loot or sending the expendable into battlefields consumed by dead zones to pull forth any intact old-age weapons

>>66313399
you laugh but I have done it before. there is a a grill seasoning called gunpowder seasoning.

you have to use black powder and a thin steak, hold the antifreeze. (its like a quick burning coal)

>>66314320
>some kind of ship eating, self-propagating anomalous rust feared by the northmen might be just the thing to do the trick on razor vine
>but going by the third hand legends its probably localized somewhere far to the north, and it sounds like a significant problem of its own
>at least the harvested razor vine can be smelted down and produces decently pure steel, or just coiled up and sold

>>66314677
>Deployed razor vine can sometimes somehow take root again, and continue to grow
>Smelting down the vine currently seems to thankfully remove anomalous properties

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anyone want to expand on the radiation magic? Should it be more pulpy more occult cosmic horror?

>>66314745
>I can do science not mythic
I don't really know what to do, I need the original group to provide guidance on that one, it's their show.

were it up to me I would use this system:
Magic is the result of the will of spirits. All magical effects are produced from the souls of the dead. Sentient creatures produce more powerful souls than non-sentient and fulfilled individuals produce more powerful souls than unfulfilled. There is no rhyme or reason of the effects produced but they seem to correlate to the personality of the deceased, their method of death, and other factors that take years to understand, so much so theology in this aspect is a legitimate science.

soul invocation: occurs when a soul is bound to an object upon death, this may either be forced or occur naturally. “soul drift” may happen if a soul prefers a different form. Such as a warrior's soul drifting from a quill to a sword. This will only happen if the objects are in close proximity for a period of time.
>White: an object that contains a soul or souls that either died fulfilled or achieved fulfillment in the afterlife. It provides not only a magical effect but a buff.
>Gray: an object with a soul that did not die a traumatic death, but did not die fulfilled or an object with black and white souls bound to it. Has a magical effect with no secondary effect. If the soul is of a loved one a black invocation may have properties of a Gray invocation for that person.
>Black: an object with a soul that died tormented or violently. Has a magical effect and will cause some kind of backlash when used. It may be “appeased” via a daily ritual to prevent this backlash. This is the most common.
>Crimson: an object with the soul of an incredibly evil or broken person, the state of their death has no effect. The object is extremely powerful, and may begin a process of imprinting on its user effecting their personality. It may kill its user if it rejects them and they try to use it.

>>66314799
part II:
Soul release ritual: a ritual that will release a soul from the mortal plane, this will cause an effect based on what kind of soul is released and the ritual involved. White and crimson souls will always envelope a large area with a massive effect. This rarely occurs naturally.
If the souls is appeased on release or white: it will produce miracles or improve life
If the soul is unappeased or crimson: it will produce a calamity or suffering.

Possession and soul binding: souls that are not invoked or released will start to cluster near sentimental locations. This will cause the spawning of demons, fae, and aberrations. When killed, they must be invoked or released or else the monsters will reform, this may be as soon as a day.

it was for something else but if you want to use this its fine.

>>66314745
>>66314799
>>66314815
It’s an interesting idea we could look at with all those spirits of the dead on the loose
The actual rad-wizards were originally planned to be pretty darn unstable and inconsistent, able to do different things but all doomed to sooner or later succumb to the curse if they didn’t die first
What they could do, and how well could depend on their experience and skill in handling it, ranging from being able to sense organisms approaching to crude telepathy, to those with the least control and most raw power just blasting radiation at people

>>66315021
>they are possessed

I'm going to put up the rest of the info maybe you can adapt it, though it may not make sense

>>66315044

THIS IS NOT LORE BUT INSPIRATION.

enteral class monsters: these monsters are created from the clustering of souls. They include poltergeist, ghost, zombies, and possessed constructions.
>Demon class monster: a living thing that has been possessed by a soul and is evil.
>Fae class monster: a living thing that has been possessed and is not aggressive.
>aberration class monster: a living thing that has been so warped by magic it became its own unique species such as dragons, beast-kin, and slimes.
Normally monster only refers to violent species and many are used as mounts or mate with their native population to produce fantastical creatures, such as humans with beast-kin.

Religion

The religion of the [grand soul] believes in creating their own god, they have massive artifacts and constructions that are the center of their faith. The artifact is a dense concentration of gray and white souls. The artifacts of each church will give blessings to those who pray to it. Every century they have a grand pilgrimage to deliver their souls to the Grand artifact, which is a massive dormant construction that is buried under their holy city, because of secrecy, no one knows what the actual shape of the object is. They are not above using golem and soul bound objects as many are the vessels of transport.

“the old faith” these people are similar to Shinto-buddism, animist, and primitive religions seeking to release souls from the mortal plane at every chance. They focus on creating appeasement rituals and using the souls they collect to aid communities. They often use releasing ceremonies to bring suffering to those who wrong them.

Cont.

>>66315064

THIS IS NOT LORE BUT INSPIRATION.

Religion of the [devout soul]. These people believe in using magical objects to improve life, but they will from time to time use release rituals on impoverished areas or in “holy retribution.” they have a “reliquary,” of invoked objects in each church they keep to dispense to the devout and sometimes accept donations of new “relics.” when the church has deemed a devotee as fit they may ask them to submit their soul to the “reliquary.”

“cult of the unbound God,”/ “faith of the [greater life-form]” These cultist seek to be possessed in-order to attain a higher state of being. Normally the cult is lead by a shaman who is a possessed fae or demon. Many of the worshipers are monster-kin and treat the shaman as a demi-god.

>>66315021
yeah I like this portrayal of rad-wizards, being unstable, unpredictable forces of nature, that don't even understand what they can do themselves.

>>66315069
>>66315064
Could try to tie some of this into the cultish groups in the wastes
Scotland seems to have an organised church and technically the pope, Ireland has the Order of Saint Turing in at least some parts and many long-lasting mercenary groups have some sort of ancestor worship going

Any other ideas for groups occupying the isles?
Started some stuff about the rest of wales, but not sure what else to add with that

>>66315485
I mean minor neo pagan cults are always fun, major guilds or even knightly orders too.

>>66315485
>>66316020
>neo-pagan cults
>isles
Wicker Man 2: Electric Boogaloo
Imagine a Turing exile, falling in with a cult, and introduces a technological aspect to a cult village. See a Wicker Man made of wire, and instead of setting the victims inside on fire they just run the electricity on... and the Wired Man is alive! ALIVE!

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>>66314320
>>66314677
>>66314728

These are good, also explains how everyone can have metal armors with not much difficulty.

>>66317345
>Some rare metals from deep within the industrial zones, normally part of a metallic monstrosity dwelling in it, can maintain anomalous properties after death
>Smithing these materials is hardly an exact science, and much material is either ruined or noticeably impure, but with enough anomalous metal to account for the large amounts lost, the most skilled smiths in the isles can slowly produce wondrous weapons and armour

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>>66317345
We should have Neo-Roman legionaries encamped along Hadrian’s Wall.

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>>66317721
Imagine tortoise formation with those shields.

>>66317558
>Such items are of incredible value, and very few can afford these bespoke masterpieces of smithing
>Some known pieces include a legendary blade in the hands of King Arthur of Caerleon that is said to be able to slice through metal like paper, or a suit of near-weightless armour in the hands of a Kernow lord, received in trade for some legendary bounty from across the channel

>>66317739
>>66317721
I could get behind that, some sort of Scottish force to defend their own land from beasts?

re: Rad wizards, Order of the Black Tears are my run at them, along with RadioactiveSkeletonSpitfire (trademark pending).

> Amongst Warwickshire's scavengers, Guild-bonded or independent, it is a matter of on-going debate as to whether a Zone is worse than a strike zone.
> Strike zones are of course radioactive blights, but so long as you keep your protectives on you should be alright.
> Dying of cancer is for people who live past forty.
> Zones throw a lot more esoteric problems at you, aside from their unnatural atmosphere, the laws of physics are not enforced in Zones, gravity may invert, day and night are not on a fixed schedule, time itself is not consistent inside them.
> Both are of course also populated by unpleasant inhabitants ranging from the common bandit to enclaves of Soulless, many Zone-warped creatures find them just as unpleasant as Men do after all.
> The Soulless don't, but then the Soulless don't really seem to mind anything but Life itself, so a little indifference to gravity blinking on and off like a bad light-bulb is not out of character.

Why don’t you boys start putting this shit down in one of those fan wiki things? I’d love to peruse it some day when it’s a little organized.

>>66318081
We’ve got this for now, just need to take the time to move more stuff into it
>>66289084
Any ideas on stuff to add?

>>66318207
Details to locations, factions and info on them. Zones and what they are like. Id say those are the big ones,

>>66317874
Any other ideas for rare stuff like this?
Gear, or parts of gear abusing some anomalous property
>Whilst most of these invaluable items have been traditional blades and armour utilising these substances strange properties, there have been exceptions
>A mercenary group is said to carry an ancient relic of an old-age conquest, it’s barrel replaced so that this ancient machine gun may spew bullets relentlessly, without fear of warping or overheating
>Whilst the bullets themselves are not without end, more can always be bought

>>66318441
Oh yeah, meant if you had any ideas for any things like those
Still lots of empty space that’s good for use

>>66318470
Idxsay let's flesh out some of the bigger remaining settlements. That'll go a long way to the tone of the setting.

>>66317895
Aye

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>>66318626
This, much of north Scotland & Ireland is still very empty.

The last map has some of the factions on it but not all

>>66317721
Maybe they're a sort of foreign legion for the Scots? Do your time on the wall get to become a honorary Scott?

>>66318626
Ok, I did a load of stuff for state Yorkshire is in with the war and all
Lancashire hasn’t had much on how they’re handling things
Aside from that the other groups like the welsh kingdoms and such need fleshing out
Ill take a shot at expanding on some Kernow stuff

>>66318733
>>66318701
Scratch the Kernow updates then, will try to think up some new stuff
Can I just check which groups we have now that weren’t on the last map post?

>>66318765
To be honest it looks like a lot of our most recent post to been about the world itself (Plants, animals, religions)

>>66318701
I'd say Ireland's coastline is pretty populated by now, with the Monks of Turing, Horned Men, and Icelanders all having a share of that pie, and the same goes for outer Scotland.
What needs doing in regards to Ireland is filling in the inland areas, as I don't think any of those three factions have much of a reason to go inland, and the native Irish must have gone somewhere.

>>66318803
Yeah, good posts too
I would like to try and make some new groups though, just probably not the best person for Scottish or Irish ones

>>66318828
Yeah, there was a little bit on coastal Irish folk too, that were mostly denying the Icelanders from taking Irish land, but would be good to make some inland people

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I’m imagining this is what will be known as “The Age of Raiders” with the Horned Men, The Icelanders, ect.

>>66318940
Does seem to be a lot of stuff going down, a good return to the instability of the days of terror
Large scale wars, multiple invasions and a bandit army of size not seen since the days of terror all fucking shit up

> The squalls in the North's political atmosphere have made Warwickshire more conscious of lands beyond the Danelaw.
> The raiders, ambitious kings and roaming mercenaries are reminders of a post-Ruin period no one wants to repeat, especially when, broadly speaking, things are pretty good for the Warwicks.
> So, the arms of its military bestir themselves from settled habits and consider their strengths
> The Home Guard, property owners expected to guard their villages and hamlets with bill and rifle, can be relied upon for static defence, every village is a little fort these days, so digging them out requires more effort than would be expected.
> The Royal Warwicks, named after an honoured regiment of Britain-that-Was, are the internal soldiery of the county, full-timers who are responsible for the carefully preserved or painstakingly handcrafted artillery and tanks available to them, as well as including the professional Tommies of the infantry.
> Not directly part of the county military but concerned with defending the shire nonetheless are the Order of Black Tears, whose possession of Kenilworth Castle and dedication to serving the good makes them sturdy foes to any invader, monster or man.
> In addition to the Order the Guild of Gleaners, Recoverymen and Salvagers is also expected to contribute forces, skirmishers, men of the woods and wild, expert with rifle, axe and buckler.
> As well as the Guild the Game Association, so called from having grown out of Gamekeepers and Game wardens efforts to control wildlife, are sturdy defenders of their shire, being the Monster Hunting Guild in all but name, they excel in the slaying of beasts, be they meat or the metallic steeds of Man.

>>66319148
Great stuff anon!

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>>66319001
>The Horned Men and the Icelanders ally to conquer all of the isles

>>66319390
Oh no, this was the one thing we didnt want to happen
That would probably have a good chance at steamrolling a lot of unprepared people, thankfully so far the Icelanders have just been fighting them on the seas over Scottish land

>>66319424
I know, that would be like The Vikings and the Normans Coming together to annihilate the islands lol

Maybe it’s a Situation players have to stop from happening

>>66319451
That could be fun, was also some talk by other anons about a potential ceasefire with the Scots for mutual survival

>>66319487
Between who?

I’d imagine the kingdoms of Scotland to be divided with a history of conflict that they would have to overcome or something.

>The county of Durham has suffered direly from dead zone creatures and even some Icelanders reaving across their lands
>This damage has left them in no state to intervene in the War Of the Roses, as many flee from overrun settlements to the few lasting castles, and much of Durham county is claimed by death

>>66319676
Between the Icelanders and the Scottish clans, as the Horned Men showing up is doing a real number on both of them

>>66319795
Ah I I gotcha, that does put them all at odds.

Intriguing situation

>>66319148
I can dig it.

>>66319795
Wait are these thr same horned folks that are from the Ireland zones?

Also new thread soon?

>>66320739
Yeah, we should make a new one soon
Durham stuff ok? Wasn’t too sure what to do with it

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>>66291657
New Castle an the Isle of Man are a couple of others. This draft was basically what I got from the first few threads, but barring the two above none of the rest have been used at all, so feel free to ignore the ones not mentioned.

>>66320839
I like it personally. Also, next thread I am thinking we focus on naming mover and shakers in the big factions and how thry all get wlong witg each other/start putting stuff into the Doc.