>>65114001
You can see the planet that doesn't exist. This does not change the fact that it isn't there.

>>65114637
The Inquisition won't let you see it.

>>65114001
Welcome back thread. Is thread number 81 on the SupTG archives yet?

thoughts on continuing to flesh out the Ork Empires

>>65115662
If you want to then go ahead.

>>65115794
I've been the one jabbering about them in the last few threads

>>65116034
Feel free to write more if you wish, has your previous material gone onto the notes page yet?

>>65116517
not as far as I've checked, I ought to go back and copy paste it into my personal notes at least

>>>64872592
going off the Carlos Mcconnell corp, Abhumans have the most real social mobility within their own power structures, but the Imperial gov't won't do anything to stop those powers form gaining influence or acceptance in the wider imperium. On the other hand, with cases like the Beastmen the Imperium is arguably deeply paternalistic and controlling, but there's also the matter of malleable MoS genetic and mental architecture that makes such pressure justified. Then again, the mass Conscription of the Ogryn may be view as one of the Imperium's great transgressions among its own scholars. It's fun to imagine Survivor Civ intellectuals to lament that the Imperium had nothing like a Starfleet non-interference directive, to the great indignation and dispute from the intellectuals of Administrated and other starbound worlds. Shadow wars might be waged over less.

>>65114678
there's been some mention of telescopic archeology

>>65116604
Please do so, the Orks are one area which we really need expansion on. I don’t remember all the notes that got published, just the last little bit of discussion about Dregruk.

>>65116739
One of the big differences between Nobledark Imperium and many of the more noblebright science fiction universes out there (Star Wars, Star Trek, Mass Effect), seems to be that the Imperium doesn’t have a “Prime Directive” non-interference policy, and meddles with less advanced species all the time. Indeed, they might consider something rather silly, on the logic that if they didn’t interfere with the society it would get wiped out by Chaos/‘crons/orks/‘nids/whatever. While in many cases this would turn out relatively well (many Great Crusade worlds who were struggling without offworld manufacturing or trade) there are probably many cases where it goes wrong or creates resentment and in which case bad things would happen. As we’ve said, the Imperium is an EMPIRE, and while in this case its imperialism really does have benevolent intentions (albeit with a bit of enlightened self-interest as pragmatic justification) rather than a naked land-grab like most historical empires, it’s still a case of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.

>>65115649
Not yet I don't think.

>>65116739
The beastmen impose strict discipline on their own societies because the ones that don't tend to implode, beastmen aren't very emotionally stable.

The Felinids have such social mobility because their biggest employer is a tribal megacorp made up of felinids and founded by a man who went native.

They aren't more free just because they are abhuman.

In a similar note Imperial institutions don't care what you are so long as you can do the job. The reason for them being overwhelmingly baseline human is because the Imperium is overwhelmingly baseline human by numbers. Even then there is currently an abhuman sitting on the High Council.

>>65117532
The light may have retroactively stopped.

Do the eldar gods know how the Navigators were made?

>>65124449
That is the typical reaction between the bonesingers and the AdMech.

>>65122858
That may actually be, if not unknown, unconfirmed. Probably it’s known to them that the first era of pre-golden age GaBHD used Sload genetics somehow. The later “victory” where the cooperation of the Iron Minds let them get an audience with Be’lakor, and where they subsequently escaped with working knowledge of the astral third eye, might be much more guarded a piece of ancient knowledge, if not totally forgotten due to the Iron Minds’ opsec.

>>65122858
Could go either way. On the one hand, they certainly would not have been paying attention at the time it was actually done and may have had no reason to look into it after the founding of the Imperium. On the other hand, Cegorach could plausibly know just about anything, and Isha could also plausibly figure it out for herself if she inspected a Navigator genome in depth. Which she might have been asked to do by the Navigators themselves, in the hopes of solving their mutation and fertility problems.

If they do know they've been keeping it very close to their chests. Not even the Navigators themselves know.

>>65125548
The Navigators know something or at least suspect. It's why they don't go to the AdBio for help.

How weird does a thing have to be before the Inquisition gets called?

>>65125521
>>65125548
I figure this together is the full explanation, particularly because at least when it came to the third eye, the Iron Minds were translating the physiological structures of an ascended warp entity that had been biological back into an entirely different set of genetic encodings. It's quite possible that such a question of finding the secret derivation of the Navigator's third eye would have been a challenge even to gods.

>>65126851
think of the Inquisition as the Imperial version of the Culture's Special Circumstances. They come in when the general laws and norms of the Imperium are insufficient to address a problem, new precedents must be set, or ancient esoteric knowledge becomes relevant. A PDF, guard regiment, or Astartes chapter can purge a den of Chaos, prediction, and exploitation where they find it, the Inquisition is there to do the due diligence of the singularly questionable cases, and to follow it through to its bloody conclusion.

>>65126917
sorry, meant for>>65126777

Are there eldar enclaves on Cadia of at all eldar there from Ulthwe?

How trusted are the eldar rangers by the military brass?

>>65128390
The other eldar wouldn't go near Cadia if it is at all possible. Too close to the Eye of Terror. Ulthwé can't escape the Eye's pull and is stuck there.

There probably aren't any enclaves on Cadia, just Black Guardians and Aspect Warriors on tours of duty. Ulthwé is close enough that there isn't much of a point to living on its surface.

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reposting from last thread

>>65129801
How should the other craftworlders view Ulthwe?

At this point they must have had the opportunity to move away and they are presumably staying there on the basis of long term survival of the species weighed against the short term ass kickings they get in that they have bottlenecked the Croneworlders and if they get out then distance probably isn't going to help too much anyway.

>>65131813
They see Ulthwe as a bunch of weirdos. Ulthwe has almost no Aspect Warriors, a consequence of its location and the fact that most people tend to flock to the Path of the Seer instead. It makes sense on Ulthwe because foreseeing an attack coming is a matter of life and death, but the disproportionate number of seers and the subsequent focus on psykery weirds people out. They also have an actual standing army. Not a “every civilian expected to fight” militia, aspect temple, or a bunch of eldar auxillaries doing community service, but an actual army that aids Ulthwe and the Gate Worlds (and are the only eldar Guardians on Cadia except in the event of a Black Crusade).

Ulthwe also isn’t that great. It’s constantly fighting off raiding parties from the Eye that slip past Cadia, and its front prow is melted like a candle from a big battle during the War of the Beast. It’s like a cross between Pittsburgh and Tel Aviv. Like Tel Aviv, the Craftworld is relatively safe but only because those fireworks at night are Chaos missiles being shot down. Add to that the Ulthran cartel, which a lot of people aren’t fond of.

Ulthwe also has a reputation of being xenophilic, which is mostly stereotyping due to Eldrad being from Ulthwe but if you hear the way the other Craftworlders tell the story it reaches the level of jokes about New Zealanders and sheep.

So to the other eldar, Ulthwe is a bunch of weirdos who instead of doing normal things obsesses over witchcraft, fortifications, and fucking humans. They keep trying to assert themselves as one of the dominant players in the eldar cultural sphere but compared to the other four largest Craftworlds (Saim-Hann, Biel-Tan, Iyanden, and Alaitoc), have the least population and are by far the greatest cultural outlier (and are to most Craftworlds with the exceptions of Dorhai, Il-Kaithe, and Kaelor). Ulthwe, like Saim-Hann, gets its political power from the influence it has over the non-eldar parts of the Imperium.

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Imagine what a Dark Heresy character with a backstory of "raised/trained by a Ssylth on Cherys Station" would be like. They'd be a Hive City ganger on Commorragh-tier steroids.

Also imagining the way it would come about is a mix of gruesome and heartwarming, with the the Ssylth struggling with all these parental urges it doesn't understand aside from "kill whoever touched my kid," and the two bonding over field-vivisections of still-living members of a rival/pirate crew who thought the scrawny kid would make easy pickings.

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thoughts on ultramar blue helmets?

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or this weird Astartes

>>65135803
does this picture just always kill threads?

>>65126851
Well, Isha and Cegorach knew the Old Ones, possibly even had some dealings with Be'Lakor personally. If anyone in the universe could figure it out it would be them.

>>65137372
Be'Lakor was old news by the time of the War in Heaven.

>>65137562
I think we've mentioned him being involved in some capacity with the various uplift projects of the War.

>>65137606
Which of the eldar's minor gods was he?

>>65135639
What reason would they have for leaving Cherys?

bump

>>65126030
They, or at least the elders of the Houses, know it's xeno genes spliced in but they don't know which one. There's also some purely artificial genes mixed in as well.

>>65133604
Are the Cadian humans allow to move more freely than most other craftworlds would allow?

Also what is the standing army like?

>>65114637
Veiled Region needs a proper write up.

>>65138382
He was an adversarial figure in eldar mythology. Not quite a full on Satan figure, but more of a threshhold guardian that the eldar gods and mythic heroes had to deal with. Maybe like a jötun or Loki or something. Not a member of the pantheon but more of a nuisance to the gods than anything else (though a serious threat to heroes on a quest for whatever).

He got this way when he showed up after the War in Heaven, tried to tell the eldar and their gods what to do, and both told him to shove it. The eldar gods didn't believe he was a real Old One, they couldn't believe one could be that dickish. However, this was in the days when Be'lakor could still be a threat to the nascent eldar.

>>65139045
Getting drafted into the Royal Guard, wanting to go out and get plunder, teenage rebelliousness to cover up a desire to make daddy proud... Maybe even joining an Inquisitor's team to get the authority to cover his dad's backside.

>>65144480
Also maybe "loan out a specialist to be an Inquisitor's bodyguard because it makes us look good" . They, or at least the older generations, made a living as bodyguards in the City of Sins so it's something that they know how to do and getting on the good side of the Inquisition is always a bonus.

>>65142184
I'll give it a go tonight.

>>65141015
I can imagine that they have more access to it bar the sacred sites, the Cadians are always happy to have them as guests and they are all fellow soldiers of this Long War.

>>65141015
The standing army per canon is the Ulthwe Black Guardians. They are still militia, but the primary difference between them and the militia of other Craftworlds is that rather than merely being expected to drop everything and pick up a weapon if the Craftworld is threatened there is a segment of the population that is always on duty. As a result they tend to be better trained and more experienced than the Guardians of most Craftworlds (who often haven't fought since they were young) or most eldar auxillaries in the Guard (who tend to skew younger). Other Craftworlds tend to rely more heavily on Aspect Warriors as the hitting power than Guardians and Seers. The closest comparison I can think of is U.S. National Guard versus minutemen or something.

The fact that they're willing to serve on the Gate Worlds, seeing little difference between those worlds and Ulthwe, is a good thing because otherwise you couldn't get Guardians to willingly fight so close to the Eye.

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>>65129757
Not sure. Many rangers by definition are outcasts from their Craftworld, which could mean they find their home culture too stuffy and get along better with other Craftworlds and species (see: Alaitoc) or it could be they are two steps from defecting to Commorragh and they saw the writing on the wall and left before the Enforcers got involved.

>>65125548
>>65126030
>>65140186
Wasn't it implied in the Fedor Jiao story that the Navigators had tried tampering with it before and the results had so horrified them they decided to never mess with it again (along with wanting to mantain their near-monopoly on human space travel).

>>65146870
The problem for the navigators is that the abominations that presumably didn't survive were hardly recognizable as having been anything like human flavored at any point. The genes, that they have in them as well which freaks them out a little if they think about it too hard, don't obey the rules of biology or common sense. As Navigators get older they gradually become more "navigatory" and less human because the gene spreads but it isn't just making copies of itself. It's making the rest of the genetic structure that it was once part of despite it not having been part of that structure since presumably the era of the Dominion when they were experimenting on the thing.

And even then that was just some scrapings in a glass tube. It hasn't been a legitimate organism since millions of years and whatever that scraping was from last lived.

Point is it shouldn't be able to reconstitute something that does not exist and the information to do so is not stored in the surviving fragments. The fragments just contain the fragments.

As they age they start turning into whatever the fuck it was and it kills them eventually as two distinct and incompatible biologies try to interact and absolutely can't. It's why rejuvenents don't do shit for Navigators past a certain point, it's not the wear and tear of age that gets them so much as them getting them.

It's worse for the more inbred navigators because they seem to get duplicates of the freaky genes that then do it faster together. That and the rest of their fuck biology seem to surrender easier to the inhuman biology.

What ever it was that it was taken from it can't be remade in a lab by simply removing the human element. It would need a human to live long enough to have their humanity fade away gradually and hand over to the new system in nice and smooth increments which won't ever happen.

>>65146870
What are the most renowned Guardian regiments? Like, for instance, the 122nd?
Maybe they could have died with them on the walls of Vogen.

>>65144622
A Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, i bet. Patrolling the webway on a custom eldar craft that they totally didn't steal. Mom knows all the best shortcuts in the labyrinthine roads, and sometimes the kid is useful to sneak in the cramped walkways.

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>>65144622
>I'll give it a go tonight.
I tried. I got about half way through it, decided I'd fucked it up, re-did it, went to make a cup of tea and found Windows had decided now was the time for the updates and switched itself off.

Now I'm angry, tired and have about six hours in which to get sleep for work tomorrow and I'll try and do it again after work.

>>65139045
It could be missions relevant to reclaiming the systems near the station.

>>65149520
Webway guides would probably be a regular fixture in the retinue of any Inquisitor working high stakes cases, and they might even be surreptitiously employed by Rogue Traders that want to get around the galaxy even faster for business.

>>65150093
Check the unsaved documents file in Word (usually under "Recover Unsaved Documents") if you're using it, usually the program will save the last unsaved draft up to a point if it unexpectedly crashes or shuts down.

>>65153903
I don't think that RT are on the extremely small list of people allowed to use the webway.

>>65156638
hence why the heads of RT corps would be employing them surreptitiously

>>65156743
thyve got a representative among the high lords as much as the Inquisition, and Hydra's will be damned, their trade interests are the lifeblood of the Imperium as far as the RTs are concerned

>>65156638
The list of people allowed to use the webway is actually quite large, they're just almost all eldar.

>>65154640
Too complicated, got dick caught in ceiling fan.

Also I was using pastebin and it's very gone.

>>65129757
Not often very, even most Eldar commanders are at least a little wary of relying on them.

>>65133604
The xenophilia jokes wouldn't get too loud given who Isha All-Mother is married to.

>>65116739
A non-interference policy isn't fair in the nobledark, it just gets the primitives eaten by orks who have no problems with interference at all.

>>65135770
Looks like Rome if Rome became the UN.

>>65145875
Didn't she try and make nurglettes to seduce Oscar and break the royal marriage?

>>65163282
she invented nurglettes, or some progenitor of them, in an attempt to do something like that. We also had her working with the Taskmaster/Slaaneshi faction on the project, only for it to amount to a colossal waste that they were stringing her along for. The Slaaneshies had already tried something similar, and had dumped way more skill and resources into the project than Nimina could, and it really didn't work. The resultant nurglettes might never have even been deployed for that originally intended mission, and instead have just become another set of slobs bumming around daddy nurgle's house. The Slaaneshi project was probably a revivified Golden Man corpse or something similar, something Slaany had lying around and had fashioned into an animate sex doll to throw at Oscar.

>>65163497
It could have been a dead and hollowed out Woman of Gold possessed by Zarakynel.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zarakynel

Zarakynel has a thing for eldar souls and getting her into bed with Isha's husband would have been extremely advantageous. From there Slaanesh would have manipulated Oscar into divorcing Isha to marry Zarakynel and produce a golden race to serve the Imperium. However turning Isha away would take most of the eldar away from the Imperium where they would be easier prey.

Also all those golden children would actually be half-deamons.

Also Zarakynel could then work on seducing Oscar over to the dark side at her leisure with beauty and sensations both subtle and overt beyond mortal compression.

This did not go as planned. Oscar was only briefly fooled into thinking another of his kind had survived and it became clear very quickly that he would never leave his wife. The masquerade slipped, they fought, Oscar won and it made no detrimental impact on the strength and stability of the royal union.

By contrast Nimina's nurglettes looked like the skankiest crack whores know to man or eldar.

Have there ever been any Tau that have dabbled in outright genetic modification rather than just eugenics?

Also how united are the Ethereals in the Tau Empire? Is there ever any dissent?

>>65163497
>>65164577
That sounds really interesting. We need some more daemon antics in general, aside from a few Daemon Princes we haven't touched much on what they are doing.

Zarakynel possessing a dead Woman of Gold also makes a good call back to Slaanesh's claim of having eaten a Man of Gold in the past. Though even in this case it would be unclear how true Slaanesh's claim was, it could have just as easily been a simulacrala or it could have been the shell of a dead one Slaanesh "found" and claims to have killed.

Zarakynel probably has an extra hate-boner for Oscar given that Arik Taranis banished them and then was killed by the Beast's Nobz before Zarakynel could come back for revenge.

>>65165583
We mentioned a group tried experimenting on the Kroot like in canon, though in this case they signed off on the project thinking it was just non-invasive genetic research and didn't realize they were rubber-stamping live testing. Farsight found out and considered it more evidence that the Ethereals were morally bankrupt rather than neglecting to read the fine print.

There is quite a bit of dissent between Ethereals. The Aun't'au'retha, the Ethereal Council, has a lot of debate on policy, though in practice it's the oldfags the Aun'O's who have the highest rank and most experience that tend to dominate. Non-ethereals get almost no say beyond consulting for a specialist opinion. The Ethereals tend to present a united front to the rest of the galaxy despite the fact that despite being unified in goal they are very much not unified in methods. Several Ethereals broke off with Farsight, but they're in the odd position of despite nominally being in charge if he told them to jump they'd say how high.

>>65166047
The moment when Oscar realised he was still the last of his kind would have been heartbreaking. He didn't even want her as a lover of anything, he just wanted to not be the only one left, he wanted someone to help with the soulbinding, he needed someone to tell him if he was doing it right, he wanted to know what the people who made him were actually like.

And then he smells the stink of Chaos on it and then it starts with the flirting and "subtle" suggestions and veiled offers and Oscar gets into another fight.

And this is why he needs Isha, she knows the right things to say when the weight gets too heavy.

>>65167721
I always saw it as Oscar doesn't even need the physical aspect of the relationship with Isha. He's a Man of Gold for whom the idea of a sex drive is optional at best. What the two of them "get" from their relationship with each other is more emotional support than anything else, and they may not even realize it. We've said how they see their relationship is debatable to the eyes of the viewer, but I always saw it as if they didn't have the political aspects to worry about they would be more friends with benefits than anything, and that's only because Isha is a fertility goddess. If the Fall had never happened and the Dominion and the Eldar Empire were on better terms Isha would probably have Oscar over to visit herself and Kurnous all the time and vice versa. Unfortunately they don't live in a perfect world.

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Bumping with Imperial Noble

>>65171233
Is that a broken Lament Configuration she's holding?

>>65170425
He might not have an inherent sex drive but she's a very good teacher. Also they genuinely do love each other.

>>65166047
As deamon antics go it was a pretty dumb plan, but Nurgle is all about me minimum effort attempts.

>>65166047
I think its granted that the Chaos Gods have each killed numerous Golden Folk and Iron Minds, since the whole of that people is wiped out, but that having eaten one might mean something else completely. If having killed one is a dubious feat even for a chaos god, and the Iron Minds still stand above the Golden Men, what are we to make of their absence? Then again, that seems an excellent reason for the secret handshake enthusiasts to claim they left the galaxy rather than face defeat.

>>65166047
>Several Ethereals broke off with Farsight, but they're in the odd position of despite nominally being in charge if he told them to jump they'd say how high.
though at this point it would be in acknowledgement that he's the eldest and staunchest of their particular tradition, and the crop of ethereals he serves had grandparents raised under his regime.

>>65173285
Killed and caused to die aren't exactly the same.

Does anyone know if the For Heresy series has been continued and if so can I get a link?

https://pastebin.com/VFfiCcK9

Read Sailing for Heresy but don't know after that.

>>65173285
It could be that most of the Iron Minds and Golden Men killed each other.

>>65166047
What else is known about Zarakynel?

Also is the Masque still in disgrace?

>>65166047
What were they trying to do with the kroot experiments?

>>65126030
They probably can afford to keep their own batch on permanent commission, they have all the money.

>>65170425
It's not unreasonable that they would have a sex drive, they were built to be the intermediaries between A.I. and the plebs.

>>65176611
I would assume the Masque is still in disgrace.

>>65180398
would it have cause not to be? We still need to finish Iygonesh the Taskmaster too.

>>65181907
IIRC the Masque's problem was trying to cheer Slaanesh up after an unspecified reason causing the Prince of Pleasure to be in a bad mood. There are a lot of options for that, and most are probably recent because Slaanesh is only 15,000 years old (so Age of Strife or later).

bump

>>65180398
>>65184171
Who or what is the Masque?

>>65187888
Disney's once favourite lap dancer then Slaanesh had a falling out with it and now it travels the galaxy dancing and making all others dance until they die from exhaustion.

>>65188883
My auto-correct just turned Slaanesh into Disney. I'm a little worried.

>>65173225
Dumb but not costly and amusing for almost all involved.

>>65178197
The AdBio aren't working on a cash economy.

>>65184171
The botched Succubus of Gold attempt could have been the cause of the bad mood. Not helped by Tzneetch playing "like a virgin" at high volume afterwards.

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>>65188883
>>65184171
In vanilla Masque causes people to dance until exhaustion and has only ever lost a dance-off once. It was to a Harlequin Trope Master and the misstep that Masque made caused her to flee in shame.

In this AU she has lost two. Her second failure was when she brushed up her skills after a coke fuelled 80s dance training montage, tracked the Trope Master down and challenged him again.

Unfortunately for Masque the Trope Master was in the Dark Carnival and all that happened was that Ceggers reached under the bar and pulled out a shotgun and blew one of her legs off. Then she got beaten to death/disincarnating by a party goer with a barstool.

A mortal, even a possessed one, should not be so blasé about dispatching a greater deamon thus lending weight to the belief that the Ceggers in the Dark Carnival is Cegger In the Flesh rather than Ceggers in someone else's flesh.

>>65189776
Doesn't mean all of them don't like living fancy.

>>65135639
How many sneks are there on Cherys?

>>65138382
One possibly forgotten long before the fall.

Here's a question I don't recall being asked before. How many imperial worlds in the nobledark have what we would recognize as a democratic/republican system of government?

>>65196179
The Istvaan system has elected tyrants.

Elysia had a democratic system of some sort before the most recent Chaos outbreak and it turned into Starship Troopers. Presumably if they had an extended period of peace they would revert back.

The Interex is extremely democratic to the point of it looking a little like the Revelation Space series Demarchy. Except in times of immediate danger when the Ministry of War legally take over.

Those are just the named players in an Imperium of a million worlds. They would be a minority but not an inconsiderable one.

>>65191783
>a Harlequin Trope Master
TVTropes is still going in M40? Ceggers wants that? Huh...

>>65198175
Troupe I'd assume.

>>65194300
It must be a couple of thousand at least. this includes the ones born after take over.

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were these two ever given a backstory, the Strigoi and Nosferatu partners in crime

bump?

>>65202336
There was a suggestion that despite the normal animosity between the C’tan and their shards, the two had been associates pre-sharding and had become partners in crime after having found out the other had been afflicted with C’tan vampirism, the Nosferatu profiting from the Strigoi covering up his killings, the Strigoi using the Nosferatu to get rid of rivals that he could not do so openly. This is also the way they justify to themselves the other being more useful alive than dead and so aren’t as hostile to each other as most of their kind.

>>65173311
That's why it's kind of weird. To sum up what others have said better than me.

"He's a diehard fire caste general that incessantly reminds the ethereals of their noble responsibility to be surly, high handed, self sacrificing philosopher kings. He's a die hard traditionalist that might even step above his station to hold ethereals to his idealized vision of traditional tau society, and pressure from him has influenced the enclave ethereals to conform to this vision of "High Tau'va". The ethereals in the farsight enclave are becoming more philosophical, abstract, and saintly in bearing, and rely increasingly on farsight and his fire warriors to interact with the enclave's people. Farsight has influence over the ethereals that goes way beyond tradition, but this is totally lost on him, and he seeks to do the ethereals will even as he cajoles them towards greater mysticism and the nobility he already sees in them. For their part the ethereals recognize Farsight's prominence, but say that he is reminding them of their duties as a caste, as he ought to. They're happy to have a major fire caste figure affirming their reactionary feelings towards the reforms, and are beginning to believe in his rosy picture of tau traditional society."

So it might be like in canon where Farsight spends a lot of his time off in the remote areas of the Enclaves meditating until the Ethereals need his help. Which is often.

>>65175087
>>65173285
I would say that given we've characterized the Iron Minds and Golden Men as individually weaker and less specialized than the eldar pantheon yet possibly able to pose a mutually destructive threat to them due to sheer numbers and organized tactics (on a Warpy scale, not counting the Old Empire's massive technological leg up on everyone else), the Chaos Gods would definitely have killed a few of their share, given that post-feeding binge Slaanesh outweighed them once they managed their initial ambush and Khorne and Slaanesh were able to easily outfight Khaine. Plus a few Iron Minds have been mentioned to have fallen to Chaos before being destroyed.

To put it another way, humanity had a pantheon of thousands of minor Shinto-esque gods (Men of Gold and Iron Minds), eldar had one big pantheon of a few dozen, and Chaos had power split among four at most. And that's not counting the base power the Chaos Gods have access to given they are less picky and the power boost they got from the Age of Strife.

>>65196821
Also the ratlings have a kind of election system where you vote for a ruling family.

So if you got a Warrant of Trade in present times what would it do?

>>65207472
Not a lot. There's not a lot of people beyond the boarder left to trade with as everyone you could trade with has either joined the Imperium or died.

It's more of a status thing. Like getting a knighthood in Britain.

>>65199515
Enough to form a decent society in no danger of dying out without external help but not actually big enough to take over the station by brute force. I'd say 4 - 5,000 at most.

Not including any born since arriving but as we don't know how quickly they breed this is hard to say. Although they would just be a few years old at most if there are any children because they arrived not long before the "now" mark of the last moments of 999M41.

>>65204708
The Golden People were also, at least when built, probably less aggressive. Not inherently so but as they were taught to be. Neither flesh or A.I. humanity wanted them to get uppity.

>>65209848
They probably didn't need to be aggressive. The Dominion wasn't officially at war with anyone but orks, who they kicked down before they could snowball into a problem, and they just had to stand there and look powerful. Which they did and it worked as a good enough Eldar deterrent that the Dominion and the rest of the Interstellar League only had the occasional raid to worry about.

>>65208554
Have they had any contact with the ones left in the Dark City?

>>65204645
Have they questioned why he has lived so long?

>>65213482
he hasn't really made his magical sword secret to them, escpscially considering he views them as his superiors.

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I assume this is still the flagship of the Carlos McConnell corp, unless it was lost in space somewhere

>>65207472
>>65207630
That's a little stifling; if someone wants to run a traditional RT game of CEO-conquistadors plundering unknown space, I think the galaxy's more than big enough to accommodate those ambitions. Just have your Warrant come with a promise to settle some newly discovered area of space behind a once-unknown warp route or some such.

That said, the Imperium itself is so staggeringly massive that it's also not impossible to have some minor scion be given a warrant and forced to climb their way up the corporate ladder, in which case your RT game would involve a lot more politicking in a settled area than usual.

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>>65216468
In the later eras of the Imperim by the time you get your big shiny Writ of Trade you have earned it and will already have a ship, some serious brass balls and a list of accomplishments that got you nominated for the Writ in the first place.

And maybe you are trading across the border because you found someone to actually trade with. True it's not legal as such without the writ but if you have introduced a space faring or at least industrial era civilization to the Imperium then the Imperium can come along and offer them membership and all is well and you did your duty as a good citizen. In a similar way going beyond the border to chart uncharted stars, set up mining rights or settlement rights is perfectly allowable, even to be encouraged as it's people using their personal wealth to expand the borders of the Imperium and if some stone age primitives are found then you get the gratitude of the Imperium for introducing them to a new bunch of uplift candidates.

Keep in mind that the Writ doesn't come with a bag of cash.

>>65216126
It's anyone's guess what happened to that ship, the mega-corp don't have it but they much to their annoyance. There are stories.

>>65216468
>>65216671
It's more like back in the day there were some well-established, very lucrative trade routes that were also very stable (though not necessarily short), akin to the Silk Road or Europeans travelling for spices in Indonesia. Trade with the Thexian Trade Empire, Tau Empire, the remnants of the Tarellian Confederacy, the Demiurg Brotherhoods and even the occasional Necron dynast. Everyone knew where Tau space was, there was a demand for goods on both sides, but only the Rogue Traders were allowed to be a middleman trading across the border because the Imperium didn't want to get reliant on xenos it couldn't regulate or import tainted goods into the Imperium. If you had a Writ of Trade you had a virtual monopoly and it was very, very good.

Now the problem is all of the easy, well-established trade routes are no longer monopolized because those areas are part of the Imperium. You can go looking for new worlds and new markets (which, to be fair, is what you were supposed to be doing), but it's not easy money any more and the chances you'll run into a mega-WAAAGH!, tyranid leftovers, or one of Szarekh's fleets is much higher.

To put it another way, it's like you're Space Christopher Colombus. The Space Silk Road, which used to be easy money, has dried up, and now you're pointing at the edge of the map where it says "Hic Sunt Orkorum" and saying "lets look here", and everyone else thinks you're nuts because as far as they know it's nothing but empty space out there.

It's not impossible, just harder. A lot of Rogue Traders took the easy way out and just invested their fortunes.

>>65219995
>>65216468
Yeah, you can still try your luck as a real rogue trader out in the real wilds of the galaxy, which are still vast and populated, but the pickings aren’t as lush as in the pre-civil war golden age when the foreign powers were big, notable, and fairly well known. In that era when those with a writ were in the much smaller circle of people in a region that could trade with the regional xenos lots of the really big name houses built truly cosmic fortunes. The later period where these minor foreign powers were brought into the Imperium gave these massive trade interests cause to shift their investments around as they lost their pseudo-monopolies. At each stage of Imperial expansion a wave of Rogue Trader houses needed to diversify their portfolios, restructure, or take their fleets further out to contend with domestic trading interests like the voidborn, survivor civ governments, etc. and to maintain their shrinking (but still colossal) profit margins, leading to the RT corps.

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so transhuman tech has been slow to take on in the Imperium because Oscar is himself opposed to it?

>>65224080
Oscar is wary of it became it went seriously wrong in the Age of Strife. It's the AdMech who are totally against it.

>>65224189
its also worth noting that Oscar's education on the consequences of transhumanism was the Terrawatt mythopoetic tradition, and not the actual history of the Iron War. The Iron War was in reality a fight between the networked minds and the individual minds, and reading it as man of stone vs man of iron is incredibly reductive.

>>65224236
Oscar was raised by Malcador who was extremely worried because of Oscar went had nobody could have stopped him. To this end he would have put his own moralizing spin on the stories and histories he told to the last Man of Gold in the formative years.

What Oscar was raised on and the general knowledge of Clan Twrrawatt might not have been the same.

>>65221522
>>65219995

So do rogue trades assist in colonization or pirate suppression then?

>>65225114
Both to an extent, that extent typically being "so long as it benefits us".

They protect trade convoys when it's their trader ships or they are hired to protect someone else's trader ships because assets are expensive and need protecting. They hunt down pirates and hound them to their hidden bases and slaughter them all like pigs to pre-emptively reduce costs in damages, bring insurance rates down and deter other pirate bands forming in the area because the harshness of the retribution is matched only by it's certainty.

The Imperial Navy should be doing this but the Imperial Navy often has bigger things to worry about and can't be everywhere, it's a sad truth of the era. Assuming the Imperium survives Judgment Day intact then there will be time to deal with the lesser threats and be dealt with they most definitely will be.

Settlement rights and colony set up is always lucrative for Rogue Traders and Mega-Corps. You get first dibs on all trade coming in and out of the planet, the perfect opportunity to set up the government or let one be set up by the colonists and then get them to sign exclusivity contracts and a share of anything valuable discovered.

Sure at some point thousands of years later it might start to slip out of your hands as it grows self-sufficient and other parties start to get involved but you will always have considerable profitable influence over it. Just so long as you adhere to the Imperium's extremely easy going laws and once it gets to a good size you don't interfere with the tithe the Administratum and Judges won't get involved.

Or you can set up a colony and sell it to the Imperium wholesale if you don't feel like running it.

>>65225334
Thank you for answering all my Rogue Trader questions. It's based on what I've been reading here:

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_Traders#Rogue_Trader_Archetypes

I just want to know how each of the trader Archetypes would change to this new setting. Colonists and Explorer is now understood along with Merchant Prince. But what about Scoundrel or Diplomat?

>>65225410
The Diplomat would be the skilled and experienced deal maker, the one that you ideally want when the exploration fleet finds an interstellar or even industrial/atomic level civilization beyond the borders. It's easier for the Imperium to get into productive official negotiations with someone who you are already trading with and on good terms with even if it's indirectly and through a Rogue Trader.

They may even be intentionally going out there to find new civilizations and sapient species to the exclusion of other potential business on the basis of seeing it as their noble duty, which gives them some overlap with the Missionary Archetype but they do it for the Imperium rather than God/s.

Scoundrel would be more of a treasure hunter. They are the mad bastards that intentionally go digging up old ruins of the Dominion and other often older societies, despite the suggestion that most of the shit buried was buried for good reason. They have considerable overlap with the Explorators when it comes to Dominion salvage efforts but the Explorators are more interested in prospecting work, farmland and other such things that the R'Traders would consider far too boring. Explorators are not interested in xeno-archaeology.

>>65224871
He'd have learned more of the real history, such of it as had been preserved, but he would probably have reached the same conclusion as the people who put copy-right protection in his genes; they didn't make their creations to replace them.

>>65225410
>https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_Traders#Rogue_Trader_Archetypes

Psycopath Archetypes would be hanged from the neck until dead.

>>65224871
Were there other clans or were they further east?

>>65218457
What sort of stories?

How many times has Anval Thawn died and how?

What sort of effect has it had on him?

What has he seen past the point of no return?

>>65228879
>Psycopath Archetypes would be
the cause of the Rogue Trader's War

>>65230745
Blatant mishaps with the ship's lascannon Nova Cannon replacement, "The Red Dot"?

>>65230026
Terrawatt Clan were a technocratic ancestor-worshipping country (the ancestors in this case being famous scientists) that was fairly self-contained. Arguably had one of the highest tech bases on Earth along with the Pan-Pacific and Orioc but had almost no population. They were, very, very distantly, descended from the technicians that looked after Justinian, though so far their ideas of the Age of Strife were not too different from everyone else's.

Uralia was very similar culturally to Terrawatt but was more applied industry than knowledge for knowledge's sake. Uralia was the first country to join and most people were more surprised it hadn't happened sooner.

>>65218457
I'd suggest that they do have it and it currently does as their flagship, main dick measuring set piece and show room of their best goods.

Especially their arms and armament to the point where they almost want to get attacked just so that they can use the footage in advertisement campaigns.

>>65234306
It might be floating around the Traveling Court, and just poorly kept track of

>>65234928
I like the idea of that.

Hortensia Zuriñe Joaquima McConnell, current head of the family and family business and the businesses of the family of which she rules with an iron fist, gave the ancestral flagship to one of her more eccentric but easy to get a long with relatives, Tavares Lando Vicente McConnell. Tavares is easy extremely good at dealing with people, hosting parties and generally showing off the retail prowess of the mega-corp and would have been picked by the family elders to had to choose a successor to the previous McConnell he was second choice but never found out about this until after his distant cousin had already taken over. He feels that he dodged a bullet on that one because in the Traveling Court he has quite a lot of freedom and gets to meet lots of strange and interesting people and sell them stuff and actually gets paid to host big expensive parties, things he wouldn't get to do nearly as much stuck behind a desk on the old homeworld.

He's actually met the royal couple once.

As things stand he is quite glad to be nowhere near home at the moments because Hortensia is no fun to be around and is always business all the time.

>>65235461
I dig it
In general, pretty much every noteworthy locale in the Imperium has some representative in the Traveling Court, from Ultramar to Savlar

>>65235461
Are you me? I was going to suggest the idea a lazy playboy male felinid to contrast with Hortensia but didn't get the chance to suggest it. I like.

>>65228879
>>65232388
Psychopaths might also crop up if the Writ of Trade has passed hands to someone who isn't particularly stable. Writs of Trade are often handed down through familial lines, but just because the original person might have been deemed stable enough to get one doesn't mean their great, great, grandchild does.

Also Oscar and Isha do make mistakes and aren't perfect, though the former can mind-sift.

>>65224080
>>65224189
>>65224236
In addition to the AdMech being afraid of Silica Animus, transhuman tech has been limited because Oscar is afraid of people practicing in-utero eugenics to create a race of demigods to lord over everyone. He's very aware the Men of Gold went crazy and knows things could be a lot worse if he didn't have good self control. Even something like Space Marines breeding true and setting up a genetic aristocracy could turn out very badly. That's why a lot of transhumanism is via post-birth augmentations (cybernetics, implanted organs).

There's also the awkward fact that everyone in the Imperium is a transhuman and doesn't know it (or at least, it's not widely known and considered a little embarassing). The eldar are technically transeldar compared to their ancestors, but it's been so long they barely remember their ancestors used to be shorter and not super psychic.

>>65240117
I consider the fact that all the major humanoid peoples of the setting are actually posthuman (or other) really cool

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>RT houses

>>65237924
The Savlar Representative must be involved in some truly hilarious levels of culture clash.

>>65242368
that or absurdly lucrative deals for the barest hints about things they know nothing about

>>65241325
>one semi-sane heir every few generations

>>65240117
>>65228879
>>65225804

Yep. Really interesting to talk about the types of Rogue Traders in this universe compared to canon universe. In canon their quasi independent authorities which were individually free for all. Here they're are state corporations.

>>65243412
They're not state corporations so much as just not being above The Law. Nobody is above The Law as the trail and execution of Curze demonstrated.

>>65242368
The cultural clash is always one sided. Savlar is the meme honeybadger of the galaxy, they just don't give a shit. Savlar has s ship in the traveling court and it's a fucking embarrassment. Everyone else sails up in armed to the gills luxury yachts made out of the finest materials and staffed by super models.

Savlar arrives in a renovated cargo scow (only 4 payments left and they'll legally own it) of questionable functionality and looks like shit. In fact it probably purposely looks like shit to annoy the other high and mighty who have to sail alongside it. This shit barge represents 100% of Neutronium manufacture in the Imperium, the people on it are all Savlar to the marrow even if they weren't born on Savlar. The Savlar Brotherhood could own you all wholesale but they don't give a shit. You could nuke their workshop and they won't give a shit. You won't impose trade restrictions on them becasue you need what they have and they charge strange prices for it. AdMech choose for it to be this way, bitch to them about it.

Is the rest of the ever so sophisticated high and mighty upset? That's their problem.

>>65243250
That's a bit harsh, for the big dynasties they can have as many as several conventional thinkers every 50 years.

>>65232367
He's Dark Soulsing the universe. He claims that he hasn't seen anything, but the reflections of his lies are in his eyes.

>>65216126
>Na'vi banditos

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>>65172048
No. The Dark Eldar have that. The Chaos Eldar used to have it but then some one stole it and Vect thought it would be fucking hilarious not to give it back when they found out it had ended up in his possession. He didn't steal it of course, fuck no. That's petty theft is pleb work. People steal things and then give them to him out of gratitude for being the best ruler in the galaxy and anyone who say otherwise can get fed to the Mandrakes.

It's almost certainly a corrupted Tesseract of some sort. The interior has not yet been fully mapped, the origin of it's inhabitants is unknown as is The Leviathan.

The geometric god at the heart of that place is possibly an early proto-god that occupied the warp-place that Slaanesh now occupies but from far earlier.

>>65251513
that of its some lesser fractal intelligence like akin to the C'tan.

I think last thread we mentioned that one lesser C'tan, the Crimson God, was left almost totally un-shattered by the Novokh Dynasty which controls it. It was suggested that the Crimson God was always pretty gimpy as C'tan went, and had been extracted from a red dwarf star or some other lesser stellar body, thus the situation where it can be pretty reliably controlled by the dynasty's overlord.

>>65172048
my guess is its a cube of neutronium, held in the portrait as both a mark of status and to symbolize noble qualities in the same ways as the sword and the branch.

>>65251405
>Hello um... Praetorian Tree Sisterhood Biologicus loonie-
>er, esteemed natural scientists
>I have been so dishonorably cast out from my foolish and dogmatic home forge, so dominated it was by the anathemic conclave that gathers in Olympus Mons
>I was wondering if, maybe...
>I could join up with you? I promise I'm just a doctrinal schismatic and not a dabbler in horrible abomination.

>>65251405
Implants

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You know, I seem to recall Dryads in this setting as being Isha's 'demonhosts', in that they're warp-spirits inhabiting a mortal form. It's just that the mortal form here is a plant, and thus more acceptable to the Imperial population as a whole. But what about Ceggers and Khaine? Would they have their own warp spirits and such? Does the Imperium make use of their own daemon-engines (though with a suitably changed name for PR purposes)?

I admit I'm also asking for TTRPG reasons, because I think daemon weapons of those three gods might be coo. However, I can't really think of what effects they might have on their wielders, nor do I have a firm handle on how they'd influence them. I'm guessing Isha's demons would influence their wielders to be more protective of others (especially children), but what about Khaine and Ceggers? I'm also thinking of introducing 'Vaul', who is actually the Void Dragon experimenting with his Warp presence a bit and having a little laugh about the whole business, because 4 Imperial Gods vs 4 Chaos Gods (I'm an uncreative bastard).

That said however, I do have some ideas about the mechanical effects of each god on their related artifacts (daemon weapons, daemon engines, daemon armour etc):

Isha: Her weapons and engines are more protective than they are offensive, healing and armouring the wielder and their allies (often the latter more than the former). Also, anyone capable of wielding Isha's gifts is probably an able leader in their own right, and Isha's aid only makes them more so. Not sure how to reflect her wrathful mother aspect without stepping on the other Gods' feet, however.

Cegorach: Both Tzeentch and Ceggers specialize in misdirection and plans. However, where Tzeentch prefers subtlety, Ceggers doesn't mind flashiness as long as it distracts others from his true goals. His weapons focus on confusing and misleading the enemy; where a Tzeentchian artifact might resemble something onnocuous, a Cegorachi artifact might bedazzle an opponent with illusions. Hen also has an affinity for traversal, and his artifacts are either far more mobile than they look, or aid in their users' mobility from simply increasing their agility to outright teleportation.

>>65256225
'Vaul': In his guise as his best friend (at least from his perspective), the Void Dragon encourages experimentation without limit. His artifacts are the most potent, even moreso than those of the Chaos Gods, but they also lack the restraint even daemons have, harming and hindering their wielders as much as they aid them. The Dragons whispers also encourage this lack of restraint in his followers, their noble and villanous qualities becoming exaggerated until they brun out like the bright stars they inevitably become.

Khaine: ...I've got nothing, sorry. Not sure how to handle this guy; best I can think of is that since 40K Khorne is all about letting the blood flow, regardless of where it comes from, Khaine would in this timeline reflect the better aspects of Khorne like honour, slaying the worthy etc. Maybe something along the lines of a smite-happy paladin? Always placing themselves on the heaviest part of the front lines, like a champion of Isha would, though focusing on offense than the latter's defense.

>>65256214
>>65256225
>>65256244
I think Isha’s dryads and Durthu were suggested as a post-M41 thing, with Isha experimenting with her ability to make daemons once it’s safer. It’s been strongly implied the Changeling was Cegger’s daemon (he was the only one crazy enough to try splitting off pieces of your personality beforehand) before Tzeentch got ahold of him and stripped him of his identity to make him compliant.

Isha’s offensive blessings tend towards poison and the negation of healing. Mama Isha revokes your healing priveledges and that little cut you received never gets to heal until the blood loss gets you. Another would be causing wounds to wither and scar, rather than rot. Thinks how Demeter went on the warpath when Persephone was taken from her. Isha weapons would indeed tend towards insane buffs.

Wyverns are basically angels and heralds of the Dragon. Problem being that because the Dragon is stuck in Slaan-made chains his mind is cut off from his shards leaving them as mindless beasts caring only about feeding. Though in turn that causes them to represent the “destruction” part of his portfolio. A freed Dragon would cause the wyverns to snap back into being extensions of the big daddy Dragon on Mars, though given the way sharding works in this universe and canon’s mention of the Cosmic Serpent it might be more along the lines of Mass Effect’s Legion claiming that they are all geth, but each geth is not the same individual. The Cosmic Serpent’s spawn Starweaver, Voidweaver, and Skyweaver are dead ringers for sapient Wyverns and would be good places to start in that case.

Dragon weapons…pretty much on the nose. Maybe something like the Akhamhara from Destiny except actually benevolent with the personality of Castle Heterodyne.

>>65257170

Khaine is a moody fuck with serious problems that he refuses to address seriously. This is due to unresolved portfolio conflicts but that’s what it appears like if you strip the symbolic aspects of it. Khaine flip-flops from being vicious, bloodthirsty, and hyped up to being cranky, depressed, and self-loathing due to being both the god of murder and god of war. Khaine would fight a battle cackling like a madman and then feel bad afterwards about the fact he enjoyed it. He knows he’s not a good person but he’s trying to be better (he’s not doing great, but he’s trying).

If anything, there are the other 99 blades of Vaul that are still technically Khaine’s property floating around, as well as the one mortal one Vaul gave him.

>>65256244
I like it, curious what others think

>>65257170
Granting this is post-M41, any ideas for Oscar in his divine role?

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>>65257993
I think we should keep post-M41 stuff in readers' heads.

>>65260385
This.
>>65257993
>>65257170
All of this is in the realms of could be but isn't and might never.

That said in the best of all universes Oscar would probably end up as the new Hoec to the Eldar, a minor figure of law, travel and communications.

To humanity he remains much the same but occasionally visits the Garden in the Warp Persephone style.

>>65252187
Could be the one Chaos C'tan, safely sealed away.

>>65254019
That could potentially be a story.

>>65191783
The nature of the man at the heart of carnival is unknown beyond "not to be fucked with".

>>65235461
This is good, moar plz.

>>65261569
If we decide to have anything like this I would opt to have exact nature of the lord of that little pocket dimension remain a mystery.

>>65262999
They know if absolutely is Ceggers, they just don't know how.

>>65261828
What could tempt a priestess of Mars to a vocation so distressingly fleshy?

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>>65257170
>Isha’s offensive blessings tend towards poison and the negation of healing. Mama Isha revokes your healing priveledges and that little cut you received never gets to heal until the blood loss gets you. Another would be causing wounds to wither and scar, rather than rot. Thinks how Demeter went on the warpath when Persephone was taken from her. Isha weapons would indeed tend towards insane buffs.
That would be so... if it wasn't for that we have her having absorbed some of the essence of Malal while in the Garden. Normally that is aspected towards a good death at the end of a long and productive life, but when turned towards a weapon, you'd have an artifact that transfers life force directly from the attacked to the attacker, though possibly only from some types of enemies. (Mechanically, the net effect would be a damage component that totally bypasses all armor and restores/grants extra wounds on the wielder. A terrifyingly potent piece of wargear.)
I'm going to guess that such things are ultra-rare.

Do the AdBio have a Skitarii equivalent?

>>65267612
that would be the story

>>65271214
>literally cut years off your life

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did we move the tindalosi form notes to drafts already? What did we do with them?

>>65278284
Doesn't look like it was moved to the Drafts.

Can we say Eldar economy is resource-based?

>>65278323
Under the Xenos page

>>65278376
It's pretty much post-scarcity. Only things that are limited are food, water, and soul stones, because almost any other basic item can be just sung into existence. Craftworlds are basically baby's first artificial planet, and it's not impossible the Old Empire tried actually making a planet out of wraithbone as a feat of megascale engineering.

>>65278376
It's barter based but what they ascribe worth to is odd sometimes.

>>65275158
The story is the events that lead up to that choice and reasons behind them. Then there is the reaction to her choice and the acclimatization to the new life.

>>65240348
Tau aren't.

What would the duties, responsibilities, perks and lifestyle of a Solar Admiral here in the Imperium?

>>65282842
Less unfair than Vanilla.

>>65235461
What sort of shenanigans could happen at such a psrty?

>>65273706
How does the AdMech see Necrons in this AU?

>>65286309
A cautionary tale. They are tech without humanity.

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>>65284705
Probably not that many as a matter of fact. He's not a political mover and shaker, his job is just to throw parties to remind the high ups that his homeworld exists and generate enough sales through advertisements to cover his expenses. Which he does because the people getting merry at his social gatherings typically control interstellar markets so even a token effort on their part is significant.

>>65282455
Most species after they become sapient go through the stopping and starting of becoming legitimate civilizations due to environmental conditions and other such variables. In the case of humanity it took two-hundred thousand years to go from becoming human to limping out of the gravity well of Old Earth, Hundreds of thousands of years of stopping, starting, occasionally going backwards and recovering lost ground.

Tau are the biggest exception to this. They achieved sapience and went in a nice unbroken and relatively smooth trajectory out into the stars. There are no lost Tau civilizations or puzzling archeological anomalies for future scholars to muse over because they never had time to have any. It's even debatable if the other branches of the Tau species actually ent extinct or if they just blanded together into the Tau we all know and love before being bred back into existence in some small ways from the different ethnicites they predominated in as a side effect of the caste eugenics program.

Tau are freaks in this regard as well as having never really bothered with mass gene-tampering beyond the removal of a few hereditary defects.

They're probably also the only species that also haven't used nuclear weapons on each other at some point.

This goes some way to explain why the Tau, despite having a remarkably "human" way of looking at things, are so fucking clueless sometimes.

>>65282842
They are ultimately and primarily responsible for the continued functionality of the fleets under their command and the safety of the area of The Imperium under their jurisdiction. In more practical terms they are accountable for the running of their personal ship (assuming they haven't delegated it to a trusted captain so that they can concentrate on the bigger picture) and the loyalty and competence of the captains, commodores and lesser admirals under their command so that they can have confidence that they are running their fleets correctly.

It would be impossible given communication delays, distance and huge numbers for each Admiral to know the comings and goings of every ship in their patch of sky.

Perks is the wage packet, the pension, the rejuvenents, the right to wear a swanky hat to official occasions and a slightly bigger set of quarters compared to your direct subordinates. Lifestyle changes beyond that is mostly the same life of duty but with less boarding drills and more paperwork and getting invited to less dock yard dives and more cucumber sandwich parties.

It is not encouraged for the high ups to flaunt their wealth before their underlings. Modesty is a virtue, sharing the wealth is encouraged and gratuitous displays of opulence by the elite is considered bad for morale.

The Emperor for example typically wears an extremely old XXXXL scribes robe when between state occasions and he could afford to wear silk and gold thread all day every day.

>>65274252
Yes. A bunch of gene-modded dipshits of varying potency flesh crafted for varying environments created by different brotherhoods mostly as show pieces to get other people to buy their shit.

Unlike the AdMech they don't really have any land assets off of Molech and instead have spread themselves so thinly across the Imperium and in such small enclaves that each brotherhood and sisterhood typically can't justify employing more than a few guards to loiter around at any given time, and even then there are a shit load more smaller orders than bigger ones who either can't or won't alter people just to make a super solder and instead just hire local muscle.

And what would be the point? Most of them are dirt poor materially, none of them have anything with a resale value and their biggest contribution to the Imperium is running clinics and handing out vaccines. All they really have to worry about on the large scale is disgruntled Nurgle cultists and collecting enough donations to pay the rent. Shit like The Order of the Old Tree with noble patronage is the exception and even the Old Tree started off as dirt poor.

>>65292192
thats the gist of it, though they also commonly have orders of Securitas in their employ in a protection for augments deal.

>>65284705
I mean, there's the expected level of drinking, feasting, drugs, loud music, fancy music, bad comedy, comedic sex, sexy comedy, back room deals, back room hookups, back room top shelf liquor sipping, afterparties you're jealous you're not welcome at etc. you'd expect at a galactic level social gathering of an ancient aristocratic culture. But the Traveling Court also has the proverbial (god) parents of the whole Imperium sitting in on the party, hosting even, and there's very little in the way of actual ill they'll let you get away with.

>>65289533
well, the Tau also have plenty of time before they're half the age of the Men of Stone, let alone the Eldar. In some possible universe, fifty thousand years down the line, the Tau may have had just as wild a history.

>>65291010
>The Emperor for example typically wears an extremely old XXXXL scribes robe when between state occasions and he could afford to wear silk and gold thread all day every day.
I imagine the Emperor might actually receive so many gifts form artisans throughout the Imperium that affording gold and silk is the least of the matter. For public appearances Oscar might feel the need to go out in these tributes just for the sake of acknowledging them at least once before giving the various treasures again as tokens of favor, and thus also reinforcing beneficial allegiances in intra-imperial relations. In such a way, he might still be clad in a different resplendent thing at every occasion, just because the wealth of a galactic power is so much more than enough to wrap a single large man's body in wonders. He exists on a scale at which modesty is not going about in some sort of Imperial attack planet, and instead using a sleek and stylish superheavy command ship.

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After going through the archive I have to ask; what the fuck are slutty ears?

>>65296608
The sort of ears that Taldeer has. So slutty, eldar men stare or avert their eyes and not helped by her being a petite little princess so they have a good view of her ears.

>>65296608

Think of it like this: some men like hips, somr loves breasts, some feet... etcetera etcetera. Eldar are all about the ears.

>>65296608
imagine the traits of sultry nipples, or neck, etc.

>>65293899
I think that the Royals wouldn't be too upset about most stuff that you could do at a party. One is, among other things, a sex goddess and the other didn't give a shit about Fulgrim living on a cocaine heavy diet so long as he turned up to work on time.

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anything been done with Crone Doomrider since the basic concept?

>>65301544
Nothing yet. He couldn't have been a Deamon Prince from before the fall for obvious reasons. But eldar live for a long time and used to reincarnate.

>>65296973
>>65297509
>>65297545

But what about them makes them slutty?

>>65296608
>>65302776
>>65297509
That's the joke. No human really knowswhat the eldar are talking about. It's something that makes perfect sense to the eldar and their standards of beauty but to humans, who have tiny (except for the Interexi and felinids), immobile ears it makes no sense.

Think of the reptilian Tarellians looking at each other in confusion when they find out how obsessed all these sapient mammals are with breasts, it makes no sense to them.

>>65292192
Wonder if Nimina ever came up with a plan to systematically hunt down the AdBio for helping humanity reject Nurgle's gifts to get Isha to return (in her own mind).

>>65302221
The Age of Strife has nearly 5000 years of the Old Empire being concerned with murderfucking each other while the galaxy goes to hell, a lot of time for daemon princes to arise when one individual gets really good at it (ironically removing them from the population and keeping the cycle going).

>>65289533
They did have a civil war and an A.I. rebellion, but the civil war didn't result in a true dark age and the A.I. rebellion was rather tame compared to most species'. Still they were the first real intra-Tau conflicts since their medevial era at least 3000 years earlier. The Tau beat themselves up way too much because they don't see everyone else's mistakes (or consider themselves above that) and hold themselves to too high of a standard.

>>65302221
>last semi-decent folk hero of the Old Empire (still pretty debauched and awful though)
Or
>part of the first post-fall generation of Crones (so contemporary of Malys, possibly) and one of slaanesh’s first princes

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>>65304118
A.I. on Tau violence isn't the same as Tau on Tau violence. Undoubtedly there were nukes used by both sides but it doesn't count anymore than using them on Orks or 'Nids or DEldar. The Tau grew up thinking that uranium was fucking awesome because so much cheap electricity and by that time war was a thing from extremely old history books, they knew that it could be used to make a big explosion but only in the event of catastrophic and astronomically unlikely technical difficulties. Intentionally making it explode was something one insane cadre of Earth Caste suggested in the technological equivalent of the 50s exactly once as an intellectual exercise for mountain sculpting to make a more verdant climate. It never got implemented because it was too dangerous and nobody was 100% sure what it actually would do to the climate.

Then they made first contact with the orks and the view of the good old glow-in-the-dark changed considerably.

>Wonder if Nimina ever came up with a plan to systematically hunt down the AdBio for helping humanity reject Nurgle's gifts to get Isha to return (in her own mind).

She can try and probably has done. But the problem is that the AdBio has potentially trillions of members spread across the entire galactic disc. With a population that vast even if she did invest every resource she controls into hunting them down they would probably still be born/grown/recruited faster than she could exterminate them.

And they are not without considerable ire and capability of their own and they can fight back. It isn't a game of attrition she could win and any other trick she has they are specifically trained to counter as part of their job.

>>65304256
I'd have him be one of the older generation that adapted to the changing times. If only because he can tell Malys to piss off because he's her elder and ride away before she beats him to a pulp.

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>>65296973
>tfw you're escorting your commanding officer/target/secret gf (it's complicated) through a craftworld and keep noticing people following her but they're not assassins they're just horny eldar trying to take pictures of her ears so you can't kill them

>>65304256
>last semi-decent folk hero of the Old Empire (still pretty debauched and awful though)
I actually like this idea; just 'good' enough (or have a good enough idea of who the current top dog is and politic enough to suck up to them) for the Imperium to not want him dead, and enough of a nasty piece of work for the Imperium to never want him around for long.

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>>65267612
A sense of service and seeing the AdBio tending to the many and questioning if the AdMech have the right philosophy with their power grabbing political nature. If she tried to join the Old Tree she would end up either serving the poor in the many hospices and free clinics The Old Tree runs or becoming a teacher in one o it's free schools for plebs.

If she was to become a concubine of the nobility she would have to have considerable reconstruction and the removal of considerable metal to be replaced by regenerated flesh. And even then she would have to be paired with a man who has a thing for cybernetics, the Old Tree keeps its claws buried deep in the nobility by reminding them that their presence was demanded as much as offered.

She would be excommunicated from the AdMech, the AdBio might have no problem with you being both but the other side do. It would be turning away from a lot.

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>>65307197
Maybe she would mantain an haircut to protect her ears from unwanted, prying eyes.

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>>65310432
shame her ears are so damn L O N G

>>65310432
Intentionally hiding those magnificent ears. Why do you have beauty?

>>65307197
>have to actually keep commanding officer from punching onlookers and causing an incient
>this is so far beyond what I was trained for

>>65308108
I like this. He's technically tied to the Prince of Pleasure but barring a direct order there's little to make him cooperate because in some way his aspect of Slaanesh is seeking personal gratification at the expense of what anyone else thinks. He'll help someone because he feels like it. He'll kill someone because he feels like it. He's Doomrider, he does what he wants.

>>65304533
Sounds like something where she'd try, realize the enormity of the task she set up for herself when she figures out just how many fleshcrafting mon-keigh are out there, and eventually went "fuck it" in the most Nurglite fashion after deciding it was too much work.

>>65313148
>He's Doomrider, he does what he wants.
And the best part is that Slaanesh kinda sorta actually loves the fact that he's independent, since his strange combination of brazen defiance and laid-back devotion is something they (Slaanesh) have never really experienced before.

>>65313575
He's taking Independence to excess, then? Slaanesh will definitely think that's wonderful.
So long as there's only one Doomrider, of course.

>>65313102
>Intentionally hiding those magnificent ears. Why do you have beauty?
Perhaps she feels that Colonels of the Imperial Guard should project a certain image.

>>65313148
>>65313575
Even Slaanesh giving him a direct order might not work. What's she going to do, strip him of his princehood? He started as a mortal and he returns to being mortal, Slaanesh empowered him of her own volition, it's not any of his business who she decides to empower.

>>65314014
>>65314038
Doomrider might also be Slaanesh's little propaganda toy, a way to show everyone that *~Slaanesh ain't all bad~*; sure, they might party a little too hard sometimes, but that's just one of the hazards of Stickin' It To The Golden Man!™

>>65314030
She does project a certain image. The Guard is overwhelmingly human dominated and the few eldar that fail to show adequate respect either get on the spot corporal punishment via a legendary right book of her Cadians take them to one side and explain things to them in no uncertain terms.

>>65314080
This is a good image and plays into the role of Slaanesh always trying to pretend to be the most "reasonable" sounding of the gods for missionary work. The other 3 just don't give a shit anymore.

>>65313148
>Sounds like something where she'd try, realize the enormity of the task she set up for herself when she figures out just how many fleshcrafting mon-keigh are out there, and eventually went "fuck it" in the most Nurglite fashion after deciding it was too much work.

Nurgle: for when doing anything is just too much effort.

>>65257186
Khaine may have been given perspective by his current state.

>>65114001
Someone please explain to me how making the primarchs and Big E regular humans instead of demigods who represent examples of future steps on humanities evolution makes the setting more nobledark and less grimdark?

>>65319938
They earned their positions by accomplishment rather than being handed a Legion because Daddy is the boss. Also Big E was never strictly human but was raised as one, he had a good father and turned out alright.

>>65318733
The Khaine entry says he got his current perspective when he accidentally killed Eldanesh when Eldanesh told him to grow up during his temper tantrum. Asuryan jumped in and cursed Khaine with his bloody hand so he knew he fucked up and couldn't rationalize it away (with Eldanesh's status as Khaine's mortal blood brother and death giving him the excuse to intervene, which was one of the outcomes Asuryan and Lileath planned for). Which in turn is one reason why Khaine decided to actually do something when Slaanesh started stealing faces and eating people. Of course, his current state would only reinforce any perspective he may have gained.

>>65314038
Daemon princes are fragments of their god, mortals who have been partially absorbed but are semi-independent. You even see this in canon with Magnus and Angron, who undergo significant post-DP personality shifts. They don't have much of a capacity for rebellion. Then again, Skarbrand turned against Khorne due to Tzeentch (in canon) or Malal (nobledark) influence. Being so Chaotic you cannot even control fragments of yourself is certainly up Chaos' alley.

>>65319938
The primarchs being relatively normal humans is also at least in part for balancing purposes, twenty two well-adjusted and reasonable superhumans would have destroyed any sense of dramatic tension or conflict in the setting.

We really need to finish that FAQ.

>>65267612
Every time they get a new cyberblessing they feel as though they have lost something of their humanity that they can't explain.

Are there any priests of Isha?
Can women go on pilgrimages to her temples?

>>65324451
>Are there any priests of Isha?
I don't see any particular reason why not, though they'd considered second class clerics by comparison with the priestesses (who are obviously more favored by virtue of being able to procreate directly).
>Can women go on pilgrimages to her temples?
Yes.

>>65324451
It would depend on temple. Some might allow men as attendants and assistants the rest would not. None would permit the ordination of men because it's a temple dedicated to motherhood.

Women going to the temple for sex would probably be paired off with a male pilgrim.

>>65321150
>The primarchs being relatively normal humans is also at least in part for balancing purposes
It’s also worth noting that it’s a very big “relatively” when saying relatively normal, even by the standards of humanity in Old Night. Some of the most normal were vaunted as the best generals, statesmen, warriors, scientists, and princes of earth, a world with necessarily more history than any other touched by humanity, and shot through to the core with archeaotech. Among these “normal” primarchs the majority were also heavily augmented with transhuman tech, at bare minimum to extend their lives, and often to turn them into fairly notable combatants. The more unusual were even further distinguished from normal humanity, Sangy was the bioengineered Ubermensch heir of the Kaiser that was meant to be the Warlord’s rival and foe, but who instead sold his father out to the growing Imperium for the good of his people. Magnus was arguably the greatest sorcerer in Old Earth’s long history and enacted regicide upon the most terrible terrestrial regime on earth for personal vengeance, possibly found possibly banished the canon Emperor under the Himalayas, and founded the Imperium’s schools of psychic teaching. Ferrus was nearly the Magos of Orioc, and essentially a skitarii commander with the authority to manufacture and equip nearly anything his home forge has means to make, his Iron Hand maniples were backing up Imperial transhuman special forces since nearly the beginning of unification, and he was key in negotiations with the OMB. Horus was a king and cultural hero of arguably greater renoun and importanace than any on earth in that early era, since he was the uniter of the voidborn across the solar systems of the near stars, and it was his siding with the early Imperium on earth over the local Forgeworld, Mars, that let the Imperium set terms when it came to accessing technology for their future endeavors rather than seeing the OMB crush it.

>>65325602
It was never stated what Magnus found when he fled to the haunted ground of Himalayzia, just that it was gone by the end Unification.

>>65325712
yeah, but we've been floating possibilities, and that one is best to make him sound studly

>>65327956
I kind of don't like the idea on a meta level. A derivative setting shouldn't have one of their characters outstudding a very studly character from their original setting. Kind of smacks of 'master chief in game of thrones cockslapping joffrey' kind of stuff.

>>65328551
I have to agree, in addition to the reason given by >>65328551 it also gives the reader the impression that Oscar isn't meant to be the same character as the canon Emprah. It makes Oscar seem like an out-of-place insert rather than an alternate universe counterpart of the Emperor with all that implies.

>>65325602
Vulkan didn't get going until the Imperium train was well underway, but in his later life he was one of the few living warriors the eldar would grudgingly admit was on par with the Phoenix Lord (even though personally they didn't think highly of one another) and just plain wouldn't die through a combination of luck and bloody stubborness rather than perpetualness.

>>65329874
what if we made it so magnus won a fiddle contest against the emperor to send him to an alternate reality

emperor has never been known for his violin skills qed

>>65330219
Has this ever happened?

>>65327956
It makes the A U feel less distinct.

>>65331134
Not to Khorne. So far the only Chaos Tau is the diplomat Water Spider.

>>65325558
I'm imagining an incident not long after the wedding when the Imperial authorities tried to document the practices of Isha's clergy. There was a world less than a dozen lightyears from Nocturne and so came under Vulkan's jurisdiction and so he got the reports first and then went absolutely ballistic because of poor translating skills of some scribe somewhere down the line. The Rememberancer had done the original report in his native low-gothic script and it had to be translated by a scribe without much skill in that language into High-Gothic. Turns out there is a lot of difference between "virgin faithful are often offered up and sacrificed upon Isha's alter" and "upon Isha's alter the virginity of the faithful is often offered up in sacrifice". There was very nearly an "Incident" before someone spotted the mistake, even then Vulkan demanded an in depth examination of that exodite world and it's practices as he was convinced that there was some serious Slaaneshi bullshit going on somewhere. There wasn't, Vulkan just jumped to a conclusion and assumed the worst of the eldar as per fucking usual.

>>65319938
>Vanilla primarchs and Big E
>Next step in human evolution
>No children

They were a high-powered dead end.

>>65333308
>"upon Isha's alter the virginity of the faithful is often offered up in sacrifice"

So lewd.

>>65307197
How sensitive are eldar ears?

>>65336372
its a wholesome sort of lewd

>>65321150
Even when Khaine killed Eldernesh he was operating from a position of strength. Now he is weak and in pain and has been for a very long time, he is an inch from death and no instinctively knows what it is to be mortal. He's never had that before.

>>65240117
It's not that he's lazy as such. He gives the impression that he's lazy and he probably intends to be lazy but in fact to maintain his current lifestyle actually requires a surprising amount of effort, no least of which is checking his bed for scorpions and remembering not to eat anything he hasn't seen someone else take a slice of. It takes a lot of work to make it look like he doesn't do any work, a thing the people who want his job don't seem to realize.

Also fluency in High-Gothic. Most Felinids never bother to learn it simply because you can live your whole life dealing only with McConnell-Corp from accommodation to groceries and they all speak McConnell Low-Gothic (which is some god awful Gaelic-Spanish hybrid language). Tavares is fluent in High-Gothic to the point of not even having an accent anymore and is surprisingly well versed in classical literature and poetry.

what if

cadia

was actually

a big tyranid

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>>65315405
I remember someone wrote up their thoughts on Slaanesh's personal attempt to temp Oscar, not with seduction, but with a story of its early feuding with the other Chaos Gods in the Age of Strife, nearly being deceived by Be'lakor who came and presented himself as an advisor to avoid destruction. Generally Slaanesh painted itself as the most preferable Chaos God should there ever come a time of desperation where they might together slay the other three, and poses itself distinctly as a new Eldar god, of nearly contemporary birth to Oscar, as opposed to the truly ancient and eldritch creations of Be'lakor's ilk. Note how this sets up an alliance against all the major rivals Slaanesh has, and would let it become the luciferian figure it wants to be.

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>>65331134
not so far, but write up a lost and damned army of Tau and I'm happy to run with it

>>65337502
More sensitive than human.

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>>65337502
Depends on the eldar but sometimes very sensitive. I think that we can safely assume that Taldeer has very sensitive ears based on how S_L_U_T_T_Y they are.

>>65338048
That seems to be the theme of Isha's clergy.

>>65339945
Oddly this will be an advantage when Lofn uses the Astronomican as a WMD-tier calm laser. Khorne will be naked and skinless for his fight with Khaine. Difference being ol' bloody hands is better at dealing with being hurt.

>>65294157
The Emperor receives gifts just so that he can give them out again. I like this, It's also how he sees The Tithe. All the possessions he owns (bar a few sentimental keepsakes) he does not see as his own, they are the Imperium's, he just borrows them for a little while and then returns them to circulation.

In a similar manner The Tithe is not in any way his. It is the Imperium distributing it's own resources according to need. His role is just to streamline the process and direct the goods to the greatest need.

All that The Emperor actually owns could probably fit in a back pack.

>>65351187
Hasn't happened yet, might not happen, if does happen will be awesome to watch.

>>65352691
I dig it. I figure many more cynical Imperial scholars might claim its just a gesture and a legal fiction, and that Oscar effectively is the wealthiest man in the galaxy even if he protests the title, but the Emperor really is earnest about it.

which of the ancient flagships is the one now turned into a star fortress and astartes chapter's home above Necromundia?

>>65355447
Terminus Est I think. It theoretically could be moved but nobody wants to test it so it stays in high orbit.

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>>65355308
What has to be considered with the psychology of Oscar is that he is incredibly durable, insanely efficient, clinically immortal and old as balls. He dosn't need very much of anything. He can stand naked on the prow of a ship and glare at the raw Warp until it simmers the fuck down. He can go an unknown amount of time without sleep and can survive off of one happy meal a month in an active state and motes of dust when totally dormant. He has been alive (not counting time in the tube before Malcador fished him out like the last pickle in the jar) for more than 5 Roman Empires. That's right, he could measure his age in conventional empires if he wished to and assuming anyone remembers what the fuck Rome was.

What the hell does the trappings of wealth mean to a man like that? It means nothing. He could be the richest man in the galaxy. But then what? He doesn't need to wear clothes, other people need him to wear clothes because they think an Emperor has to look a certain way. It has to be very cold before it bothers him.

This is a man who thought that the best way of dealing with Hy Brasil was to wait a few thousand years until as a nation they calmed down. His master plan was just wait until the culture of a nation changed of it's own accord to something he could make a deal with, and it would have worked because he's clinically immortal and could out-wait an ice age or two if needed and then some.

Gold will rust before he does.

This is a man who sat on the same beach for 30 years every evening because he liked the view at sunset and didn't get tired of it because he's a quasi-organic android built to look and, to an extent, act like a human.

To him the real value of the Imperium is the one thing he protects above all others; it's people. They are precious to him.

>>65357565
>This is a man who sat on the same beach for 30 years every evening because he liked the view at sunset and didn't get tired of it because he's a quasi-organic android built to look and, to an extent, act like a human.
to be fair, he was there with his wife, he had a steady stream of psykers to soul bind, and he was probably looking at much of the atmosphere and the star itself while enjoying the details of the sunset

>>65336372
>So lewd.
Isha is all about maximum hand-holding.

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>>65360020
>Maximum hand-holding

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>>65360020
The sex at her temples as described is so fucking safe and wholesome it's almost stopped being sex and is more a fully ritualized religious obligation that just coincidentally results in a priestess getting a dicking. It's brilliant.

It's genuinely as if it's a reaction to the birth of Slaanesh caused by the debaucheries of the Old Empire and everyone involved with their sanity intact afterwards decided to go as far in the other direction as mortally possible and decided that if they had to have sex it would be in the safest, most diabetes inducingly saccharine sweet way possible so that they could advertise it to teen without offending Concerned Parents™ further complicated by the instigators being the core of the free health service who heal people (when possible) with the power of platonic love. And they are responsible for their species getting of the "dying race" train and on to the "recovering race" bandwaggon unlike many elf variants.

It could also be that the rituals are based on The of Trials of Kurnous; The tasks Isha gave Kurnous to complete before she would be his wife. She admitted later that she was going to marry him anyway, she just wanted some stuff doing.

What’s the best thing Trayzn has ransomed from another Necron lord for freedom from Szarekh?

>>65319938
Because an imperium led by full powered emps and 20 primarchs withe the backing of Isha, khain(what’s left), cegorach(when he can be bothered), the dragon(maybe), and every civilized race steamrolls everyone. And that’s noblebright not nobledark.

>>65360020
>>65360671
>>65360831
One anon in an old thread summarized the difference between Isha and Slaanesh as the difference between "selfless" and "selfish" love. Slaanesh is all about "selfish" sex that makes you feel better, and to hell with whomever you're doing it with. Isha is about family and togetherness, having sex as an expression of your bond and devotion to another being.

Maximum hand-holding is a pretty good way of putting it.

Also the Trials of Kurnous thing is bloody brilliant.

>>65355497
Yes.

>>65357565
What's interesting is that you can actually see this realization of immortality happen as Oscar grows and matures. The Oscar who whipped his friends in Terrawatt into a "Make humanity great again" frenzy is not the same one who decided to wait out Hy Braesil, at that age he was a lot more impetuous and a lot more of a hurry. And those Oscars wouldn't be as laid-back as the current Oscar is with the Q'orl, who is willing to wait until the Queens become less stupid and until then exploit their Warp resistance as a buffer state. The Great Crusade Oscar would have had them wiped out.

You almost never see this in fiction, most characters are either already at that Highlander stage or are so young the fact of their immortality hasn't dawned on them yet because the setting spans such a short time. Oscar was lucky enough that he had Eldrad who did know what such a long life span entailed and had his back (at least partly at that time out of enlightened self-interest). If not the consequences could have been dire.

>>65364599
The Imperium is something like twice as old as writing is today. Not any specific script, just the basic concept of writing. It's a bit less than half as old as *agriculture* is today. What a civilization or a person that old would be like, would *feel* like, defies the imagination.

>>65366499
Oscar is taking immortality one day at a time.

Bamp

>>65364599
Yeah, interesting too to note how lifespans have been creeping upwards among the interstellar aristocracy.

>>65308116
It's probable that the AdBio would fork out the expenses to have her be made organic again, replacing metal with flesh and rebuilding her as needed, just to fuck with the AdMech. They do not play well together and a defector would be used to antagonize them a little. It would also ingratiate the Old Tree somewhat back with the rest of the AdBio because fuck he AdMech.

>>65357565
I've just noticed the wedding rings.

God damn that's sickeningly sweet.

>>65232367
In all fairness despite being many thousands of years old he's only died a few dozen times, probably less than a hundred simply because he's a Grey Knight and that makes him hard to kill. Also thousands of years of experience have honed his martial skills ridiculously even if his psychic abilities are on the lower end of what the Grey Knights allow in their ranks. He's been dying more and more lately but unlike what the chaplains worry it's not because he's getting suicidal, it's because the war is getting more desperate. If things carry on as they are he could end up as the last Knight standing if things don't improve in the next bunch of centuries.

>>65364599
What could the Trials of Kurnous have been?

Keep in mind that they don actual need to have "happened" as such. The gods of the eldar each came into awareness with a full set of memories stretching back an eternity, mutually shared experiences and lives lived retroactively from the moment of their creation.

The happened for a given value of happened and many stories Isha tells of her younger days can be collaborated by Cegorach, albeit from his perspective and differing as much as any two people witnessing the same event.

Presumably she didn't give Oscar trials to overcome on the basis that he had already spearheaded an invasion of hell to rescue her and he was an accomplished statesman rather than a hunter living in a tent, as her last husband was when she met him.

>>65376033
Damn that's a hardcore idea. The take on "he's not suicidal, things are just that bad" is a good one.

>>65377873
At least one would be to hunt some huge creature. It's unlikely any would be to humiliate Be'lakor as Be'lakor was not part of the eldar's mythos when Isha was created. The Old Ones did help the proto-eldar create their gods from their legends but Be'lakor's job was just to help make the things and he had no interest or talent in learning how to get them to do what he wanted (as seen when he tried and failed to prattkeep Tzeentch). He was like an engineer who expected his creations to obey. Itzl was the one whose job it was to be all touchy-feely with the constructs and uplifted races and actually get them to do what the Old Ones wanted, hence her title of "Master of Beasts".

It's interesting to note that Isha's two husbands in a sense symbolise the changing of civilization. Kurnous is masculinity as seen by the Stone and Bronze age, where figures of power were expected to be great warriors and fighters, whereas Oscar represents masculinity as seen by sedentary civilization, where ability to inspire and lead and organize is considered to be more important.

>>65380565
As one of the Grey Knights he's read the prophesies, he knows this is the big push to the dawn and he is hopeful.

>>65377873
She may have given trials to Oscar for continuities sake, Eldar like consistency.

Trials could have been things like "build a home for my children" (the Imperium).

>>65114001
Is KaylethXTrask canon in nobledark 40k?

>>65387399
It could be. Trask I would suggest being a PMC specialization Mega-corp CEO who is hired by the Imperium to patrol the space around some new colonies. Kayleth is the head of the ground protection forces sent by the Eldar.

>>65360020
>Isha is all about maximum hand-holding.
Diabeetus.

>>65376033
How badly damaged psychologically should he be by now?

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any ideas for the sorts of modernized and unusual astartes units the Imperium would be fielding in the post Civil War eras?

>>65392747
Rainbow Warriors come to mind, especially since they probably liason with the Tarellians in this setting. Really, lots more options for special astartes units open up when you consider the number of xenos that are now part of the Imperium, and thus could use or influence an astartes chapter.

I'm now imagining a group of Space Marines that imitate or take inspiration from the Kroot. It's... an image.

>>65392747
Astartes are usually the elite Guard units of their planet's tithe, they have two methods of obtaining gear. Supplied by the greater Imperim often at a foreword or by locals on the homeworld. Local gear is way more varied but forgeworlds churn out gear at an obscene rate and unless the homeworld is exceptional in high-tech industry the forgeworld will be better.

The real sticking point is the Black Carapace interacting with the Power Armour, that's the high level shit.

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>>65392992
as well as just cooperation with burly xenos-familiars warriors like the Ulumeathics

>>65392992
Rainbow Warriors are children of Savlar. It was deemed prudent to have a load of burly fuckers overseeing the transfer of goods for neutronium as well as upping security of The Workshop.

>>65391826
Very. He may have seen something on the other side beyond the red horizon. It may have been wondrous, it may have been terrifying, it may have been both. He can't remember it clearly but he doesn't particularly want to see it again.

>>65392992
>I'm now imagining a group of Space Marines that imitate or take inspiration from the Kroot. It's... an image.

Flesh Eaters?

>>65386654
In addition to rescue her and "build a home for my children", another might have retroactively considered to be kill the Beast (he had help from Eldrad but so did Hercules with the hydra and Isha isn't as cold-hearted as Eurystheus).

The fact that Isha was willing to make her children behave if Oscar was willing to make an oath to "make a home for her children" would probably go a long way in allaying Oscar's concerns over long-term alliance with the eldar. Such an act would have shown that the eldar were willing to play ball, as Oscar's interests were always humanity first. Interestingly, this also means that both of them are willing to recognize that they can't control all of their people even if they speak for them, Dorhai and the Fallen aren't seen as alliance-breaking, which implies some degree of reasonability for both of them.

>>65385790
So he's abusing the "they killed Kenny" principle? Dying because he knows he'll just come back and others won't?

>>65394391
The Savlar Brotherhood took a liking to them after a couple millennia, so they’re also among the few chapters with relic neutronium weapons, though they have precious little besides when it comes to heavy war material. It’s been mentioned that the Savlar Brotherhood has the means to produce the heavier tech the chapter and guard regiment needs, but it’s always very irregular and in short supply because it’s a sideline program for them.

>>65397003
It's not that he's abusing his impossible resurrection, at least not intentionally. It's just that he's in an increasingly dangerous job and the Grey Knights are dying more and more and it's just that he's the only one coming back.

>>65388224
We've already used Kayleth

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notable_People#Kayleth_of_Alaitoc

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>>65397003
HUNGER FOR BOORGER!

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>>65400839
I have an image that might work. Not this one, another one.

Working on getting stuff wiki-ready would be a good idea, though I don't want to push anyone.