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>>64830871
I blame the Indigo Crow for the disappearing threads

Lets pick a name for the resentment filled Necron Pharek that Szarekh sent to kill tyranids

>>64831515
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/warhammer-40k-necron-names.php

Khaeseneb of house Qaretanath unless someone knows of an Egyptian name associated with locusts we can borrow.

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>"Isha come on pick up the phone."

>>64832556
This is why Isha doesn't listen to the Sea of Souls anymore, it's just full of echoes of a hundred billion nurglite shits broadcasting the equivalent of "plz respond" in the impossible language of the gods and High Tongue.

>>64832556
Torturing nurglite followers for information has always been a problem due to their deadened ability to feel physical pain.

Thankfully most Nurglites are white knight, beta orbiter neckbesrds who believe that they have to rescue m'lady Isha from the false husband and return her to the safety of Father Nurgle.

To this effect pictures of the royal couple on state occasions holding hands and being happy together are shown on loop. Usually in combination with a chicken painted bright blue making "cuck, cuck, cuck" sounds.

It helps break their resolve.

>>64831515
>>64832388
Did we decide if she was genuinely loyal to the current Silent King or loyal to the position of the Silent King but thinks the current incumbent is a turd?

It was said that she was quite old (discounting time in stasis approaching 50 which is fucking ancient by Necrontyr standards) when she got the biotransferance. She served under the father and grandfather of Szarekh.

One of the oldest noble houses but controlled mostly impoverished coreworlds that had been stripped to support the capital systems, essentially rights to exhausted mines and such, therefore her fortunes dependant on the Throne. Knew the Nemensor back in the old days.

I'll have another go at the redoing the ratling thing tonight.

So how is the M word viewed in the Nobledark Imperium? Do you humans even know what Mon'keigh means? Do they even have to know to understand that it's a slur? If Idranel shows up drunk, and starts slurring Mon'keigh this and Mon'keigh that, what would the fallout be?

>>64837414
It's the equivalent of calling someone a nigger. Most of the human and other populations don't know shit about early eldar history because nobody gives much of a shit except eldar and deep end historians. The Mon'keigh are unknown to damn near all humanity and barely remembered by most eldar except the harlequins due to them being 65 million years dead. It's mostly just a bad word now.

>>64837518
Also most humans can go their whole lives without seeing another species.

bump

>>64834707
The thing is that it possibly doesn't really work, they just do it because they think it's funny. They're the Inquisition whose going to tell them not to?

>>64835397
We decided that she's loyal not out of any sense of actual loyalty, but because she's too great in dignity to throw her house away for her hatred of Szarekh, despite thinking him a lesser heir to greater kings. She served him in the Necrontyr civil wars because ultimately her voluntary service to the king is the essence of her nobility, and after biotransference for the same reason.

For his part, Szarekh has a good idea of her personal opinion of him, and her sense of place that keeps her from turning on him, and sees no need to make any change. If he wanted he could make her like him, but he prefers the servant that quashes their own rebellion in deference and propriety to him. He trusted her with limited access to the command protocols and additional Triarchy ships for her mission against the Tyranids, advised her to wage the war against them as frugally as she may, and sent her on her way to the eastern rim.

She's still out there, her forces and fleet the first picket Tyranids face passing into the NSE

>>64839878
>>64835397
Also the point was brought up that having her be less loyal out of personal interest would be too much like the rest of the Necron lords we've expanded on, with the majority being either in open rebellion or only loyal by circumstance.
The way it was proposed that this be rectified would be for her to be particularly bloodthirsty and/or vicious, so it is less a matter of her hating the Silent King and more a matter of hating everyone and everything, with the Silent King being one of the few she recognizes as being powerful enough that she can't do anything about it.

This is also part of why she is so effective against the Tyranids, and also why the Imperium doesn't try and coordinate with them against the horde; she's more than happy to glass a populated planet just because it may end up being a target- and since she's acting in the theater where the Tyranids are coming from, every populated planet is a potential target.
It's useful when she shows up where the Hive Fleet actually is, since Necrons have the resources to fight the horde on an even footing, but that's not enough to make up for the cost of her 'preventative measures." At least not in the Imperium's eyes.

>>64840140
It could also be that as she is part of the Inner Court she knows about the plan to slap the big red Cadia button. It's sad that these lesser creatures have to die but they'll be all dead soon enough either way so it's not too much worse.

Only person who could possibly have a chance to reach her at this point and maybe convince her to change course would be the Nemensor if he had the ability to block the command protocols. He was very much a little brother to her when he was being educated in her mother's court.

>>64837414
Isha called Oscar a stupid fucking double Mon'keigh when he made the ill fated alliance with the Necron Star Empire against her wishes. Oscar definitely knows it's not nice to be called.

>>64840140
What's more worrying is that the if the 'Nids aren't extinct yet it means that they must have found ways to adapt to Necron style warfare.

>>64841016
In the circles where it’s meaning is understood it’s less a slur and more the extra-posh way to call something savage or barbaric. Human Aristocrats are probably more likely to call the average human a monkeigh than a random Eldar, and it’s generally been appropriated by the Imperium’s culture.

Alright guys time to go big. Who ever gets Trips of a loyalist primarch, that primarch returns as a Daemon.
>(Example 999 = Daemon Sanguinius; 131313 = Daemon Guilliman.)

>>64843674
rolling

>>64843674
Can we not. Please.

>>64843674
I think you're in the wrong thread.

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What should be the result of a regular human and a ratling having a child?

>>64843674
>they actually )mostly) all come back as Imperial demigods/saints when the Prince of Mortal Civilization is born
>Ynnead and his mom work together to reconstitute Oscar's old friends as warp entities based upon their legends
>Oscar finally accepts the mantle of messenger god and abdicates the throne to become the Imperial deus pater in the post Second War in Heaven warp
>Ynnead ascends to the throne and rules as Emperor of the living and protector of the dead for another ten thousand years or so as humanity and Eldar meld into the super-psycher posthuman species
>eventually passes the throne to his successor with the Imperium still in a cold war with the NSE and Crone remnants, which has gone from proxy wars to a mega-engineering "space race"

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>>64844742
This would be in a possible alternate future. The setting stops at the "now" mark of just strinking midnight on new years eve 999M41.

As of that moment Taldeer is heavily pregnant and probably asleep, Kryptman is elbows deep in a captured incarnation of the Swarm Lord, Nemensor Zahndrekh is enjoying a glass of brandy by the fire, Aun'Va is doing some paperwork, Isha and Oscar are aboard the Bucephelus enjoying a new years celebration with some of the officers and crewmen and Vect and Malys are enjoying a quiet night in that looks something like this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2qT7GylRxw

Everything after this is all so much speculation.

>>64844686
As there aren't any mentioned in any fluff or in Vanilla I'm assuming that they can't interbreed or the offspring come out as one or the other.

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>>64840140
It may also be that hating everything is her "quirk", much like Imotekh and his "muh honor" fetish or Zahndrekh and his robo-Alzheimers. She has a reason to hate everyone and everything, but all of it is post hoc justification for trying to figure out why her hate engrams flare up every time she sees anyone. Despite the fact that she HATES everyone she's still LOYAL (and honestly can't obey short of deliberately misinterpreting Szarekh's orders), and so the Silent King has no problems with turning her into his weed whacker because it turns her obsession to his advantage.

>>64837414
>>64837518
>>64841016
>>64842918
It probably varies as well. Early in history the word was used fairly often, nowadays with the alliance being seen as "normal" it's used less often. You get individuals who are more respectful like Eldrad or Maugan Ra who try to avoid it (though they still might use it to get a point across, Maugan Ra especially because his worldview is everyone's a fuckup to some degree and nobody's perfect), whereas Dorhai and Kaelor use it like crazy, they may even call other eldar that. The original use of "Mon-Keigh" is basically a dehumanizing reminder to all listening that you are not a real person and cannot be trusted, even though it can be used as a general purpose insult like with >>64841016.

>>64845762
The video is hilariously accurate.

>>64847042
If they are subspecies, they probably can interbreed. The primary issue would be the offspring coming to term within the mother, which suggests male ratling x female anything might work, but male anything x female ratling may not. It would be like a cross between a terrier and a great dane, theoretically possible and life...uh...finds a way.

Breeding between abhumans (bar Navigators) is never mentioned in canon, but that could be as much because of the obsession with genetic purity and the fact that any such liasons would be BLAM!ed than viability. IIRC in canon there are perfectly normal individuals who are reclassified as second-class citizens when their genes differ by more than 1.5% from the Terran-set baseline (about as different as Neanderthals are from us). Ratlings, ogryn, and other abhuman strains are barely tolerated on a good day in vanilla.

In nobledark, I know we mentioned at least some strains of ogryn can breed with humans and felinids, though the latter isn't common.

>>64845762
>1:08 Vect cums in his pants

>>64849198
Vect's greatest pleasure isn't a relationship with Malys, but the relationship with her in addition to the possibility of divorce or breakup. He gets all the masochistic pleasure he craves from his upbringing as a child and commoner in the Old Empire, and the when it gets too much, he can reaffirm himself. In his breakups with Malys, Vect is usually preoccupied with defying the gods, and much to her displeasure Malys becomes secondary. For Vect, breaking things off with Malys and surviving is a matter of reminding the gods that their Everchosen is more vulnerable to him than to them, and reminding her subordinates that he is truly above them. The wedding was the apparent peak of this cycle, the Druchari businessman winning the prophetess of the Old Empire's hand, but another breakup isn't impossible. As the holder of Be'lakor's bunker, though he likely doesn't know it, Vect is in a position to take up a similar demi-godhead should he make it through the Second War in Heaven, at least as the king of the rat race.

>>64849361
That is so horrible and mutually, toxically codependant, made worse by how much sense it makes due to their respectively fucked up backgrounds and personalities.

>>64849361
And what does Malys get from this relationship?

>>64852857
A good hard dicking, the promise of shit loads of troops and he gives stability to her life.

>>64849198
Someone's pants at least, there's plenty of pants around so no point in ruining a good pair.

>>64847381
The problem is that the ratlings have a lot of artificial genes unique to them and "normal/pure" humanity also has a lot of less obvious and varied DAoT tampering. It's not always easy to totally predict how those genes will react.

>>64835397
Does Szarekh even see his own people as people or are they all just toys to him?

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Mommy Isha loves me, even though I'm adopted R-right?

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>>64855539
Isha loves all of her children, adopted or otherwise.

Except for the irrideamably shit ones that have sworn service to Chaos. They are damned and forsaken.

>>64856124
I'm imagining that this is an official comic published by the Administratium. Some might question the wisdom of intentionally taunting the gods but the gods are already not holding anything back so there's nothing more to fear from them.

>>64856124
Do no swat papa Nurgul!

>>64852857
A like-minded spirit who is intelligent but at the same time isn't a total prude. Most of the Crones are too concerned about hedonism and debautchery to see the big picture, and Malys often feels like she's surrounded by small-minded idiots. Vect is a big picture person like her and he's amoral enough by DEldar standards that he doesn't come off as a patronizing or whining goody two-shoes (though he's still considered fairly prudish, by Crone standards he's the nebbish male lead in your stereotypical romantic comedy). Malys has had numerous flings and boytoys and girltoys and chaosspawntoys but Vect is the only one she can really say she's had a relationship with as equals.

The thrill and challenge of converting him is also fun. But I think she realized that that ship had sailed.

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>>64855528
There are no people in The Necron Star Empire. There is only The Silent King, and his star-spanning ambition. For every Necron under his direct control, form the lowliest warrion to the mightiest Overlord, is but a cell in the body, a cog in the machine, to be strung around like a puppet in his master's quest to reclaim the Galaxy.

>>64855528
People are just toys to him

>>64845762
Also at this point Eldrad is in a passenger ferry headed to the gateworlds region. He's coming home to die but it's okay, he has a plan to make the most of it.

>>64856976
Cri moar chaos fag.

Can a Cronedar loose faith in his gods and join the Deldar or do they get dragged into Hell bodily?

>>64855528
I would argue both. Or at least at first. I kind of see Szarekh’s original personality sort of like the portrayal of Xerxes in the Book of Esther, who was willing to make a grand gesture to kill the Jewish people in the Persian Empire when tricked into believing they would rebel against him by his vizier but equally willing to make a grandiose gesture allowing them to protect themselves when he discovers he had been tricked into making it. Sometimes cruel, sometimes magnanimous, but never not grandiose in his actions. In other words, Space Settra.

He’s also that way because he doesn’t really know how to be anything else. Because of his upbringing he has trouble being anyone other than a legalist philosopher king, and his idea of “friendship” or “comradery” is one where one party is always the dominant of the two.

Of course, now that the entire Necron people have been joined to his will, Szarekh finds he has very little need to be magnanimous anymore. He no longer has to make sure to win loyalty or stay on people’s good side, they are loyal to him no matter what happens. So Szarekh has become a lot less magnanimous and a lot more cruel. And he’s obsessed with rectifying his mistake and ensuring a future for the Necron people (ignoring the fact that his unwillingness to move on from the past is what is keeping the Necrons from atoning in the first place). The Necrons lost everything in the War in Heaven, their homeworld, their bodies, their souls, their moral standing. They have almost nothing from a philosophical perspective, which means to Szarekh it’s worth risking what little is left to make sure the ends justify the means. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. Not his people, not the primitives, not even himself (which in this case sort of reinforces his position as a mirror to Oscar, though Oscar has his own personal blind spots).

>>64863564
Usually the latter except in two very specific circumstances. One would be if Cegorach is willing to sponsor them and they become a Harlequin. Ceggers is the only remaining eldar god willing to take such a gamble. The other would be to join a haemonculus coven and go to Commorragh. There are haemonculi covens across both Commorragh and Crone space, and haemonculi are the cultural link between Dark Eldar and Crones.

Some Crones who see Slaanesh popping eldar children like popcorn chicken in Shaa-Dome have been said get disillusioned (have a NOPE reaction) and become Undivided or do something similar (or they joined not!KISS and are dead).

Crones aren't technically damned at birth, at least no more so than other eldar. The difference is that Crones grow up in a society that's so hostile you almost have to make a deal with the devil to reach adulthood (not to mention ambient Chaos corruption) and they live in a society that never gives any indication that this is a bad thing.

Most Crones don't think about the long-term consequences of their actions because they believe they're going to become a daemon prince. Maybe not everyone else, but at least themselves.

Bump

>>64863723
Theres also the case that a lot of the Necron Lords are all for his plan to exterminate all thinking life in the galaxy and thoroughly approve of his methods. The Necrons were pretty fucking awful towards the end of the War in Heaven and they aren't changing now.

>>64866341
Which is also why a lot of them seem apathetic towards other life forms at best. Other species are just temporary presences that are going to be destroyed eventually. Why not enjoy them for entertainment?

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How do the Tau view the abhumans, do they see it as a warning or a beneficial conclusion of their caste system?

bamp

>>64870976
That depends on how much social mobility that abhumans have- since this is Nobledark, I'm assuming they generally have a lot of it. As such, traditionalist Tau might see iot as a waste of the abhumans' talents (Ogryn should always be fighting, Squats should always be building, Felinids should always be making em think Slaanesh has a point etc). Non-traditionalists on the other hand might see abhumans in 'sub-optimal' positions (for lack of a better phrase) as a sign that the castes should be less rigid.

Does the Silent King have an expert on Chaos?

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A bump and a question.

What goes on in the Veiled Region? Exept of course the Charcarodons surfing the Nicor into the enemies of the Imperium

>>64874206
What is it like in Vanilla?

>>64874206
Pirates and beat down locals brought low either by stellar events or ork raids. A shit hole never really officially colonized by the Imperium and the only people willing to settle it are low effort private enterprises and uplifting efforts.

Bump

>>64874206
Given the odd patch of unstable stellar objects it would indicate that something big and odd and probably unpleasant happened there a very long time ago. The place was un-colonized by the Eldar throughout their history to an almost obsessive degree, they wouldn't even travel through it. The GaBHD never showed much interest in it, but mostly because for anything in that mess you could find it elsewhere easier, also the other members of the Interstellar League believed that the place was haunted or cursed in some way and humanity by that point was smart enough to believe in magic again.

There aren't any tomb world there and never have been.

The only people found there are some sort of slug like creatures of limited tool using who are possibly insane or have a mindset so different from humanity that common ground and early communication haven''t been achieved yet, assuming that they even can communicate. It's possible that they don't pass on information and the reason they are so primitive is that they are all isolationists who have to invent the wheel again every time. In any case they better get good quick because their world has half a million years tops before the star cools down totally and the world becomes utterly uninhabitable.

There are a few orks, because of course there are.

Archeologists in the Inquisition, Inquisitor Helynna Valeria in particular, are pretty sure that this is where Llandu'gor was erased and all the fucked up shit is the result of universal constants having changed and then changed back. The slugs presumably evolving afterwards from something introduced since.

>>64844686
We already have 2 Doomguys in this AU. One's Kaldor Draigo, former apprentice of Magnus the Red, and the other is Shas'O "DoomTau" Kais.

>>64880303
I thought Draigo was more Samurai Jack than Doomguy.

>>64879004
At the very edge of an unhabitable system orbiting a red giant, lies what to the unwary travel looks like an asteroid belt, not dissimilar from the Kuiper Belt back on Sol. The shrewd explorer might be puzzled as to why no rock is greater than a dozen meters in diameter, and why all of them are in an irregular shape. The Ark Mechanicus "Adamantium Concordance" was manned by such shrewd explorers, and the Magos sent in a servitor probe to take a closer look. The pict-feed was baffling, even to the jaded augmented captain. The asteroids were actually millions of demons, from lowly Tzeentchian horrors to a mighty Undivided prince, all turned to stone, forever frozen in an expression of fear, petrified like in the ancient fables of knights and wizards. The Navigator did not pick up any turmoil or interference in the warp, nor was it calmer than usual. This orrery looked just like a monument to pointlessness and absurdity, and the Magos decided to leave it at that.

>>64837518

Does that mean humans have M-word privileges? Are there xenos-made hunansploitatiob movies?

>>64883814
Is this a reference to something in canon?

>>64884452
That is a possibility. Though many might not know the word. The most likely to use it would be those on places like Colchis.

>>64883814
Fuck that's unsettling.

>>64883814
Could be that they are the result of Iron Mind madness, trying to quantify the denizens of the warp without words.

Or possibly not.

Either way best not to think about it. Thinking about it too hard might animate them if they aren't just ice sculptures.

>>64886455
insomnia gave me the idea
>>64887334
thanks, that was the intended effect!
>>64888277
even tough i love this idea, we already have an Iron Mind that went crazy running decryption algorythms for millennia trying to guess as many True Names as possible... considering what >>64879004 was saying, we could imply that a Deamon World was caught in the whiplash from the destruction of Llandu'gor.

Imagine you are standing still in your room. Then suppose that the carpet gets pulled from under your feet, and you fall. But it's not the carpet; it's the very fabric of reality that suddenly changes, inertia suddenly stops working, an movement is possible without an exerting force upon a still object. You are a Daemon, the very definition of unreal; being in a material body is already enough of a limitation, even in the semi-irreality of a Daemon World. You can shape yuor surroundings to your belief trough pure willpower; in keeping with the former analogy, you can move, fold, lift, turn around the carpet over which you're standing, because you're an intelligent lfeform and the carpet is just a piece of parchment.
But then it's not.
It starts pulling at your feet, squirming like a worm, you get mired in it like quicksand, and it thrashes like open sea during a storm.
This is very wrong, it's not supposed to be like this, i'm in control of this carpet! Except you are not, it's now animated, it doesn't stand still, it's almost alive.

>>64888948
I'm (un-)alive! You say, poor Daemon, if there even is such a thing as a poor Daemon.
You try to hold it, to squeeze it, but you're not in control anymore. So you try to flee.
And that's the last of your arrogant mistakes.
Reality is already enough in turmoil; it doesn't need, no, IT DOESN'T WANT you to pull out. Physics is getting fucked sideways so fundamentally that it prefers to keep warp creatures, just to have something barely stable and coherent in its embrace. You feel yourself streched between realms, your essence being pulled by the thread, slowly, painfully unraveling. It's a completely new experience to you. Maybe, if you're Slaaneshi, you're orgasmically enjoying your destruction, a sensation so alien and unexpected that it is sure to please your Many-Gods-In-One for its novelty. But you won't be around to share your master's satisfaction. With a last, brutal, pull, you are metaphysically torn apart, your immortal essence disintegrated. Ironic, that the death of the Flayer reduces the Immortal to dust just like a Gauss Flayer does the same to the mortal.

And then, it's all over. Reality, with a last trembling, reasserts itself, attempting desperatly to reconstruct itself. For whatever reason, the death of Llandu'gor deleted all celestial bodies in this system smaller than a moon. So, reality makes do.

The sudden death of million of Deamons left a mute echo in the fabric of the universe. It coalesces, then crystallizes in the aspect of the screaming unsouls in the moment of their demise. This system needs an asteroid belt, because that's how this system works. It couldn't be anyway else.

Nobody has been brave, or foolish, enough to fly past the belt and see what happened to the Daemon World itself.

>>64889003
The planet itself does not exist. It may appear to have physical dimensions and be composed of tangible matter, it may even be habitable with use of sunscreen and a warm coat but it does not exist and should not be approached or directory interacted with and international direct observation is prohibited. The system is under quarantine by order of the Inquisition.

>>64874206
It has at least one world with a substantial population of Nightsiders, they are the chapter's recruitment stock at least in part.

>>64879004
Hyper-isolationist asocial possibly insane slugs sounds like something that would live in a mass grave of tortured stars. It's bleakness made incarnate.

>>64890053
Due to the non-existent nature of the planet and area of space up to between 420,000 to 430,000 from the planet's surface anything passing into the effected area, which does not exist, also ceases to exist.

Observation from outside the quarantine zone, which contains nothing, may indicate that objects introduced may continue to exist and even interact with native objects. Neither the foreign object or the introduced matter at this point can be said to exist.

The effected area does not produce or absorb any measurable light or other radiation and has no detectable effect on the electromagnetic landscape of the star system.The

Any observations that seem contrary to this are wrong.

The area and planet, that do not exist, accordingly have no name and may in fact be unnameable.

>>64863723
It's not even like he's a proper legalist. That would imply he has respect for a pre-existing legal structure. He seems to be pure authoritarian with the legal structure there as something he just has to put up with.

>>64863874
If they had genuine and deep faith in Isha but Isha didn't know about them could they be protected long enough to run?

Bump

>>64896251
Not sure. A lot of the Crones have no faith in their pantheon because they see them as juvenile concepts that their species has outgrown. Think of the type of super-edgelord atheists who claim that altruism is a lie because the universe is horrible and cruel combined with canon Argel Tal's "the gods are horrible, but that's the way the world is"speech.

During her captivity Isha thought the eldar were extinct beyond the few pitiful specimens with Stockholm Syndrome that Nurgle had preserved in his garden (the Conservators) and would never free her until the Raid with actual free eldar showed up. She had thought more than a billion years or so had passed when in reality it was "only" 5000.

>>64891961
>>64890994
>>64890053
>>64889003
>>64893632
I'm getting serious Lovecraftian horror vibes from this. In a good way.

>>64894210
IIRC, Legalism the way the ancient Chinese practiced it (made famous by Qin Shi Huangdi, who was in many ways the IRL inspiration for Settra), the purpose of the state was to reign in and bring order to chaotic human desires, which were seen as naturally cruel and selfish. The state was supposed to bring this about through the means of a philosopher king who was above human desires, including their own. The ruler is the extreme arbiter and everyone else is expected to do what they say (but at the same time the ruler is supposed to follow their own standards).

In practice the benefit would be reduced corruption, but it didn't work super well because it provided very little motivation for people to do anything (all stick, no carrot). Despite being the Sinosphere's equivalent of Machiavellianism, most post-Qin rulers had to adopt a mix of Legalist ("be efficient") and Confucian (in this case "be virtuous", or more specifically "don't be a dick") values because legalism fell into the trap that Machiavelli warned about: a ruler can be feared, but never hated.

>>64899126
The slugs live on a different planet that does exist and presumably has, has had or will have a name at some point. Though probably not one made by the slugs who may or may not have a language.

The planet that doesn't exist may have had a name when it did exist but the name has been erased. Perhaps the name itself has also been erased and so may never be renamed and is now utterly forgotten or perhaps it's just that anyone who did know it is dead, it's hard to say.

In any case it's possible that those deamons are not missed by their gods. The gods can't remember their names. They have been erased and gods are very sensitive to that sort of thing, to them as things are now those deamons never were. Possibly if pushed they may be forced to admit that there was a deamon world here somewhere at some point. But a deamon world needs a master and this place has never had a master. It is not a place that exists.

>>64899637
Whatever it was, it must have been eleven different kinds of NOPE to make the fucking Chaos gods squeamish about discussing it.

>>64900193
Or it was just different.

thump

>>64903822
>Eldar Rangers partaking in a wargames simulation, 994 M41 colorized

>>64899637
>>64900193
I just got the joke.

Also this stuff should seriously go on the wiki. Put it under "Veiled Region"?

>>64904369
I haven't got the joke.

>>64883814
What other weirdness could be in the other systems?

>>64906301
Anything you can imagine really there's probably a sector that has it from being infested by a chaos worshipping xenos hive mind to something that is mundane but unusual like a Eldar planetary governor

>>64906342
>>64906301
That system was made so fucking wrong because of a pre-existing reality violation reacting wrong when someone altered universal constants.

The other systems just got scrambled and reconstituted when normal properties resumed. The whole section of space is low value and shit to settle because of this but it also exudes a low grade sense of "wrongness".

>>64893632
It makes you wonder how many expeditionaries that they lost figuring out what was wrong with the place.

>>64904369
Joke?

>>64904369
As usual, let's wait for editfag's response

>>64899637
The slugs I'm imagining as utterly operating on solipsism. Each utterly isolated from all others instinctively.

>>64908552
The problem is that they continue to be observable even after they stop existing for some considerable time sometimes so the problem wasn't immediately obvious, even presumably to those unfortunate victims.

>>64899126
And then you have the Silent King method of "Virtuous? Efficiency? I'm the one that does the telling, you do as you are told".

Is there ever any hint given what Llandu'gor actually did to deserve the singular honour of being utterly erased?

Is it best left as an implication that it was messing with Chaos, hence being on a deamon-world when the hammer came down?

>>64907249
interesting to consider the parallel reality violations from the Necrons and Old Ones' weapons at the end of the War in Heaven. The fratricide of the Gods of Sorcery has already been tied to the Silent King's mission for the Outsider to kill its siblings, but his act before that to shatter physical reality and reconstitute it to kill the Flayer also left effects and reverberations that mirror those of Malal's death.

>>64916180
he invented gauss 'flayers' for one, and seemed to think of flaying as a gift. He was less about actual skinning and more obsessed with disintegration as the expression of his fractal base pattern.

>>64917931
Makes you wonder how many other star systems are out there that bear scars from the War in Heaven, where the aftereffects of ontological weaponry and Old One sorcery still twist the weave of reality into knots.

>>64916180
>>64917960
Not in canon. But he was implied to be rather isolated, none of the other C'tan or Necrons even talk about him that much. It's possible Szarekh targeted him because he was easy to get alone and few would think to ask where he went. The C'tan with the possible exception of the Deceiver were blindsided by his treachery.

The only canon statement attributed to him suggests he saw what he did as "love" for the Necrons.

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>Imperium is not the xenophobic hellhole

What is this fucking heresy about?

>>64919913
It's about the last alliance o f men and elves.

>>64919913
I like to think about as the imperium with high functioning autism instead of pure tard rage

>>64919913
It like a point of context against canon emphasizing how canon is a grim, dark xenophobic hellhole (and increasing the grimdark of canon). Kind of like the mirror universe in Star Trek except canon is the asshole dimension and even the nobledark Imperium isn't as cuddly as the Federation (it has good intentions but is still really authoritarian, hegemonic, and imperialistic by 21st century standards).

Plus lots of cool worldbuilding and the kind of societal conflict you don't get in canon.

>>64919667
I like that the exiles of the snek people are snek mafia and that the Imperium is happy with that.

>>64922632
The reason it is those things is a direct result of the need to survive total war for thousands of years and a desire by the higher management for hands off governance and decentralisation. Everything else just results from there.

Does Be'Lakor know about the world that isn't.

>>64924773
Presumably.

By the time of the War in Heaven he was a throwback by Old One standards, an ascended Cro-magnon, accumulated in wisdom granted by his age and pioneering and brave to be the first to break mortality but ultimately a primitive relic of another time long since surpassed.

Despite Be'lakor's opinion on the matter he isn't all knowing or particularly well informed on all current events, he's just older than most of the gods and very hard to get rid of. He probably didn't know about Llandu'gor getting perma-rekt until after the fact and even then wouldn't have known how exactly that happened. Nobody knows how that happened. Afterwards Szarekh ordered everyone involved to have their memories of anything related to the nature of how erased up to and including his own, he has never before or since allowed his own self to be marred in such a way.

Be'lakor knows about the world that doesn't exist, he knows it does not exist and neither does anything within about half a million kilometers of the planet's surface (he isn't willing to experiment to get an exact number). He never actually met the deamon prince who owned the place when it did exist or any of the deamons that lived there and knew nothing about the existence of any people that lived there before the place became a deamon world, there presumably were some or at least enough to make it a deamon world.

In any case he's learned about it since and the whole place feels like NOPE.holo and he won't go near the place.

The slug people in the nearby system are actually too self-centered to be of interest to deamons which is a fucking rare achievement.

>>64923751
Mars still keeps a firm hand on it's vassals, or at least tries to.

Bump

>>64924773
He’s more focused on the Impossible World and the old one side of the equation for the war in heaven

>>64884452
If the word is seeping in to common parlance then most will not know the exact history behind it beyond it meaning something like "worthless non-person". In the Enclaves particularly annoying eldar may end up getting called it by exasperated humans.

>>64919913
Imperium is civilisation, all those inside it are civilized. All outside are barbarians. Barbarians are encouraged to get their shit together and join civilisation.The

When irredeemable threats to civilisation are encountered then the gloves come off and exterminations happen. But peace is an option.

>>64924773
Everyone in the Warp knows about the World That Is Not. Nobody bothers about it though, why would they? It existed once, but now it doesn't, that's all there is to it. It's not because the idea of any of them being erased and ceasing to be creeps them out or anything. Nope. Definitely not.

>>64914855
Would a sufficiently populated and sophisticated world be permitted to have an internet or equivalent or would it be considered too risky?

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>>64934289
A planetary-level internet-analogue wouldn't be too far-fetched on more developed worlds and hive worlds, if more along the lines of China's internet in certain ways- though less about nationalist/Imperiumist censorship and propaganda and more "censorship of potential Chaos corruptions." So the Imperium is reading all of your emails and browsing history, but aren't really cracking down on anything but hard crime and potential Chaos sects.

It's also important to remember that these would only be planetary-level information networks; communication between planets is still restricted to Astropaths, whose time and effort is required for far more important things than funny mental images of cats. Even then, these planetary networks are generally a byproduct of intercommunication between businessmen and and thus upper-middle-class members of society; the average person on a planet isn't going to have access because they've nothing of value to contribute to it.

Bump

>>64934786
The Interex here have a quasi-Internet they use for voting, but it's restricted to a single planet-by-planet basis. Larger decisions require people to meet in person and are more representational (board of admirals kind of thing for when things need to be done now).

VHS and similar things have been said to have made a comeback as preferred storage medium for shipping information between planets (this truely is the darkest timeline). Other options for communication are Webway runners, but they're expensive (not every eldar can navigate the Webway and the ones who take messages know how much their time is worth). A diplomat being tricked by someone pretending to be a Webway runner is part of the reason Krieg got fucked.

The term they use in canon for an Internet-type thing is a noosphere. Mars has one of the only real ones of note. Though it's also possible the noosphere also refers to storing information as platonic ideals through the Warp as some of the Mechanicus books imply rather than simply internet, which in this case would be a very crude remnant of the kind of thing the Iron Minds would do to keep in touch through the Warp and make sure information doesn't get lost (didn't idiot proof that one did you, humanity?)

>>64899126
Are there any strict and traditional rituals of the Croneworlders to their gods or is it more making it up as you go along for them?

Do the Raven Guard still use Deliverance as HQ despite it being mega-corp hell?

>>64931659
the only big change to Mordia is the regiments now have nightsider squads, because a race of nocturnal abhumans with religious rituals of scarrification and blood drinking is all fine and within regulations so long as they don't get the uniform messy and remain disciplined.

>>64918036
I think "love" might be the wrong word. As beings originally of plasma and light existing for millions of years each in isolation and neither requiring or desiring companionship of any sort they might not have any concept of "love" as we would think of it. They might have a concept of obsession in that certain actions and reactions from outside things give them a sense of satisfaction and now that they are "people shaped" in both thinking and form they project this on to other people shaped entities that they now interact with.

Llandu'gor might be real nostalgic for his days as barely bound star plasma and wishes to show other the wonders of it by taking them apart at the atomic level. Watching it happen give him a great sense of satisfaction and his obsessive nature keep him doing it and keep on doing it long after he intellectually knows that nobody else enjoys it. As time passes his internally comes to terms with it and just rolls with it on the basis that it's easier to keep doing it than try and break the habit. Also by that point Llandu'gor probably hated the Necrons or thought of them as little more than ants at best.

>>64942069
Or it might have started out as a loving relationship only for it to all go wrong.

>>64940362

The Raven Guard, are, quite litterally as their name imply, watching like Hawks over the planet all the time for *any* unacceptable practice... and their standards to that are quite fvking high.

>>64943636
It's still mega-corp hell. But that's not the point.

Raven Guard, when they first landed under the command of former downtrodden peasant Corvus, went absolutely ape shit about the place due to the conditions of the average pleb and the utter disregard those higher up the food chain had for them. They were seen as an exploitable, expendable and totally renewable resource and were therefore totally disposable once they had expended their usefulness.

Kiavahr was not yet contacted by Mars and so was not under the aegis of Mars. Corax gave them the opportunity and suggestion to amend their behaviour but the lords of Kiavahr laughed at his offer. Theirs was a prosperous system that had done well for itself in the anarchy of the Age of Strife and would be a valuable addition to the Imperium. It's carry on just fine how it was and Corax could deal with it. The lives of a few peasants and slum dwellers was worth by any measure what they were offering the Imperium. Corax, as soldier man of peasant stock, obviously wouldn't understand what it was to lead a functioning society to prosperity and should leave things beyond him to those better suited to the task.

At that point the lights started going out and shit started exploding.

The suggestions were made again to the surviving spire lords and the hastily elected new branch of CEO's in the same calm voice. This time they did not mistake his calm for meaning that he wasn't planning on killing them all on the basis that he'd eventually find a crop of lords more reasonable to his demands.

>>64944175
Kiavahr as it stands since then is still mega-corp hell with such government as exists composed of the heads of the biggest corps, but it's not as bad to live in. This isn't because the heads of the mega-corps are actually any nicer, it's because the Raven Guard set up shop on the moon of Deliverance in the old and exhausted mining tunnels. There are no slums on Kiavahr, the Tenements are about as far down as you can officially sink and although the tenements are not what you'd call pleasant you can live in them.

Tenement dwellings typically consist of a large sturdily built, but ugly, structure like a square colosseum but far larger. Tiered galleries of one room dwellings that can hold maybe four "comfortably" and six cramped. Communal toilets and wash houses are on every tier and are shared by the people living on that tier. There is a large communal kitchen and dining area in the centre on the ground floor.

Ground floor also contains a doctor's office and basic surgery, some shops for basic essentials, laundry and other such things.

This is where you end up when all else fails or you want to save money by living very basically. Because of the nature of Kiavahr society there are a lot more low end workers than any other group by a very great margin and the majority of the population (tens if not hundreds of billions) live in similar conditions.

Due to the Raven Guard recruiting from all strata of society weight of numbers demands that the overwhelming majority of the chapter were raised in these vast habitation structures and many still have family there. To this end the chapter acts, as well as an elite branch of the local Imperial Guard, as watchdogs for the poor.

Biggest complaint about Kiavahr for the lower classes is that the place is bleak and boring in the extreme.

Businesses can engage in all backstabbery and shitty underhanded behaviour they want, but if the peasantry get targeted by the nobility the nobility become a training exercise.

>>64934786
Do Tau actually have hair?

>>64945453
They seem to have a top-knot or a scalp lock sometimes in Vanilla art.

>>64946231
>>64945453
They have a single patch of hair growing from the crown of their head (rather than all over the scalp as in humans and eldar) in canon. Usually they put it in a queue or a topknot.

>>64942069
Probably right. He called it love but it's not love as any fleshbag would define it, probably more like a platonic yandere-like obsession.

>>64947046
When your love takes the form of vaporization it’s generally not a healthy expression of affection

>>64945453
>>64946231
>>64947046
It does raise the question of whether wigs/hair extensions have become popular with Tau who regularly have contact with humans.

>>64948484
>>64947046
>>64945453
As they are evolved from hooved herd animals it could be that they have, or sometimes have, a zebra like mane across their heads. Typically it's just the men that get it and even they often shave it off or cut it short. It's not even all the men, Aun'Va never had any hair, Shas'O "DoomTau" Kais did but shaved most of it off because of tradition.

>>64950440
do tau women have tails?

>>64941211
A mordian guard nightsider is horrifying thought

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>>64951811
They're not too bad once you get past the blood drinking rituals, scarification to denote rank and personal details and feeling that they are looking at you like a shark looks at a juicy seal.

The problem is that they don't have white parts in the eyes which people use to convey feelings to some extent and also you can't tell where they are looking, assuming that they take their goggles off to talk to you. It's a mild case of uncanny valley not helped by their fondness for remaining as still as possible to conserve energy typically clustered together with others of their own kind like penguins.

This and their native languages often use a lot of hissing and clicking sounds that sound animal to regular Mordians.

Once you get past all that they typically aren't that bad. Mostly their hisses and clicks are just normal conversation about normal things.

Despite rumors they don't resort to cannibalism with any more frequency than regular humans.

>>64944422
I like it. It almost forces the corporate masters to be feudal lords out of self preservation.

>>64952327
Not having visible whites of their eyes is said to be something that a lot of xenos species have, and the fluff we have actually says is nearly unique to humans among sapient species. Warhammer elves are said to have deer-like eyes and that's something we ported here to make the eldar more alien. Tau as well since they are basically the greys in reverse. Tarellians might have more of a cat-like eye.

Of course, Nightsiders might be more of an uncanny valley effect because it's a weird eye sticking out of a more normal face. But it's worth wondering if other species find our eyes creepy because our pupils looks like they are so tiny.

>>64951636
Probably not, no more than humans have tails because we evolved from monkeys (felinids don't count).

>>64956261
Hah, if the whole 'dark eyes' thing actually makes Nightsiders more personable to non-humans.

>>64948484
I do see Water Caste Tau getting hair implants to seem more personable, but even then it's not all that dramatic a change- they ARE Tau after all, and even the most rabid unionist wouldn't want to make too many changes.

bump

>>64890053
>>64893632

If the planet does not exist but is observable then what is it?

Also what happens to the people who go and come back?

>>64961004
They do not exist. A thing that doesn't exist can't return. Your perception to the country is wrong. You are seeing patterns in the clouds of things familiar and that is all.

>>64858403
And then what? Or has the Not-Silent-Enough King not thought that far ahead?

>>64958287
honestly its mostly normal morradins that have compunctions about nightsiders, followed by folk from isolated worlds that get fearful of abhumans despite their populations being somewhat divergent themselves. For much of the Imperium "humanity" is understood to run the gamut from the most standard of Men of Stone through abhumans and Astartes to the really weird offshoots of the admech and adbio.

>>64964085
That's because Mordians have to live with them. That and before the baseline humans migrated to the dark side of the planet they were faerie tale creatures that stole disobedient children for food. Came as a shock to learn that they were real.

>>64963501
Ultimately his long term ambition is to reverse the biotransferance, but not until the galaxy species s emptied.

Did the stuff about Trayzn ransoming petty necron lords' fortunes for freedom from the command protocols ever make it onto the wiki? Also did we ever decide how Trayzn got out from under Szarekh's thumb?

>>64951636
He's been awake far longer than the others. It's probable that he experimented or discovered something in that time.

>>64966824
On the wiki there's only his speech about how the galaxy is again full of trinkets and shinies, so i'm afraid not. Do you Remeber the thread?

>>64961936
>>64961004
Let's say you take a picture of your friends with a polaroid. But the camera is loaded with invisible, untouchable, undetectable, immune to any interaction beyond being printed on paper.
You take the picture. It comes out of the side and it's, as expected, intangible and ethereal. But somehow you know that your friends are in the photo. You can see them.

Then you lift your eyes from the fresh inexistent print, and you don't see your friends anymore.

>>64832556
>>64833328
>>64855539
>>64856124
I'm confused. Did Isha get rescued or something?

>>64972024
In this timeline Eldrad negotiated an alliance with the fledgling Imperium. A joint Human-Eldar task entered the Warp and raided Nurgle's garden, rescuing Isha. Eldrad also arranged a marriage between Isha and the Emperor (who was known as the Steward at the time) thus integrating the Eldar into the Imperium.

>>64972175
Or the eldar taming humans depending on who you ask.

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>>64972675
Whether friend or foe, Elfdar never cease to be posturing, pointy eared, pricks

>>64972938
Biel-tan insists that the Imperium is the new and legitimate founding of the Eldar empire, just with human vasals and armies to help them against the Old Empire of psychotic Chaos Eldar that live in the Eye of Terror, while Ulthwe and Cadia are the staunchest friends in the Imperium because they fight shoulder to shoulder against the same maniacal Chaos elves, fallen astartes, and daemons.

>>64973866

Saim-hann claims the Space Wolves and White Scars are the best thing to come to their craft world since the Iron Race, while the Fenn-something not-a-craftworld is plenty of good, if a bit... boring. Dorhai and Kaelor can go fck themselves, however, the rest agrees.

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what other DaOT relics are lying around?

yump

>>64975048
Apart from that one starship we discussed a few threads ago, there hasn't been a lot of stuff being discussed. The thing about DAoT tech is that each functional, usable piece is a potential game-changer, capable of altering the universe beyond comfortable limits.

DAoT tech might also have the limitation of being functional in a more peaceful galaxy as well; IIRC the aforementioned ship's extremely powerful tech required things like solid blocks of pure Warp energy and neutronium slugs, neither of which are possible to produce in this fallen age. For all we know there's an entire vault on Mars full of the stuff, but the Fab-General uses them as paperweights because they require bullshittium and nonsensium to function.

>>64926657
Mars likes to appear to the rest of the Galaxy that it is a unified and ordered institution, it is riddled with internal conflicts and seemingly irreconcilable divisions that are as old as it is.

>>64975048
idk all though There must be a lot of treasure hunters looking for shit like that

>>64978902
There's been a lot of people looked for King Arthur's tomb as well, doesn't mean that there's anything to find

>>64975048
Not much. Due to the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion's love of jamming A.I. into everything anything of sufficient complexity had to be destroyed due to the Iron War and anything that remained broke down eventually because they lacked the ability to repair of maintain it. Even the Survivor Civs when the Imperium found them were operating at much lower levels of complexity than what they should have been because of this.

>Sometimes, I think it's cruel giving machines a personality. My mate Petersen once bought a pair of shoes with Artificial Intelligence. 'Smart Shoes' they were called. It was a neat idea. No matter how blind drunk you were, they could always get you home. But he got rattled one night in Oslo and woke up the next morning in Burma.

>You see, his shoes got bored going from his local to his flat. They wanted to see the world, you know. He had a hell of a job getting rid of them. No matter who he sold them to, they'd show up again the next day. He tried to shut them out, but they just kicked the door down.

>The last thing I heard, they sort of... robbed a car and drove it into a canal. They couldn't steer, you see..Petersen was really, really blown away about it. He went to see a priest. The priest told him... he said it was alright and all that, when shoes are happy that they'd get into heaven.

>You see, it turns out shoes have soles.

Occasionally relics do turn up like the psy-disrupter but they are rarities that people can't reproduce even if they can figure out how they work. Occasionally thinking relics are dug up and then you have problems of one sort or another.

>>64951811
Not as much as a Nova-Ogryn Commissar.

>>64980081
How did they reach the pedals?

Bumpity

>>64977199
Did we decide if there was a crew on that ship?

>>64984439
yes, but their weird

>>64982148
maybe the shows were psykers?

>>64986623
*shoes

Are there any Felinid named characters?

>>64987218
the head of the Carlos-McConnell RT megacorp

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>>64985380
>>64984439
From what I remember they were force grown organisms that are "mostly human" with some cybernetic enhancements and a degree of autonomy. The Dominion, especially towards the end, were big into genetically tampering with things even when they probably shouldn't and their own people were not an exception to this and the distinction between man and machine was getting very blurry. Oscar being a prime example of this; an organic machine or a mechanical organism or something not quite either and both.

The "crew" of the ship are more kind of maintenance drone collection and immune system. They seem to be interchangeable as far as their jobs go but they also have individual personalities so they aren't interchangeable as people. There is no captain, the ship doesn't need one. The ship is proud to a degree that the eldar can barely even deal with. It plied the stars and brought the Pax Terra to the dark places of the galaxy, when it was built humanity was still a rising star and it was the cutting edge of technology (it was not built some time before the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion was to reach it's apex).

The crew presumably have names but their language is seemingly unique to the ship, no surviving records from that era seem like it and it resembles noting like any Proto or Low Gothic on record. The AdMech keep real fucking quiet because they know it's similar enough to Lingua-technis that if the crew-speak ever gets translated then their holy tongue might get compromised.

The crew aren't stupid. They just don't give a shit about anything beyond or outside the ship. They are almost certainly built to be stunted in this way, but they aren't unhappy about this. They serve The Ship, The Ship is all.

What are the crew to the ship's A.I.? They are it's crew. Don't touch it's crew. It will fucking cut you like the little bitch you are if you touch it's crew.

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>>64989786
Sometimes the ship travels with the Traveling Court and often enough that it might consider this it's home but sometimes it will detect something, some insult to it's core or hurt out there and start screaming across the radio. The words, if there are any, are unintelligible but the noise sounds angry or possibly it's the noise of something in great pain. When this happens the shields go up, the weapons start to charge up and the engines fire up and it fucks right out of what ever system in a berserker charge of blood red haze wroth. It always comes back. Sometimes with new scars and cuffed paint and soot smears across it's metal hide. When questioned it refuses to answer anything about anything because who the fuck are you to ask it? Then it demands a list of raw materials it processes internally to repair. It always asks for Savlar Neutronium but it can make do with whatever's available up to a point.

No Imperial colonies have reported sighting of it when it goes off on a bender so it's not team-killing at least.

The ship came to the current era because of Void Born scavengers who were carving up a Space Hulk and only mildly freaked out when an chunk of it lit up and tore itself out of the mass and limped away transmitting angry sounding radio signals as it went. Void Born see a lot of weird ass hit in the Kingdom of Empty Space, this barely got a report.

The ship embedded in the hulk thousands of years ago due to unfavorable warp currents and the passengers (no survivors) and crew had been fending off deamonic assault since. There were breaks in the attacks at times that lasted months or even a few years at a time when the ship was presumably in real space, then they would start again when the Hulk sunk into the warp again. The A.I. lost it's internal clock and suffered considerable damage to it's data stores, a lot of which was self inflicted to shake deamonic infection out.

>>64990198
It was in that Hulk for an estimated 30 subjective years at most before the Void Born cut it out and it limped away brain damaged and crippled to patch it itself up somewhere nice and dark and quiet.

It isn't part of the Imperium, it just travels with the Imperium. They are side by side but not on the same side. It recognizes that the Imperium is the nearest thing to the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion currently in existence although it is from centuries before the Men of Gold so it doens't regard Oscar as anything special. Also the Imperium gives it free repair material so it doesn't have to mine it from low-gravity objects itself so there's that.

It's wary of the eldar. It keeps as many eldar ships in direct line of sight as practical when it's in the Traveling Court. Back in the good old days eldar were strange and almost always hostile and it's not taking no fucking chances with these point eared little shits.

The ship does not allow visitors. It will allow a shuttle to dock and it will send one of it's braver members of the crew to go on to the shuttle and speak on it's behalf and that's as close as you are getting to an audience.

>>64990413
I really like it

>>64990413
It might not have been around at the time of the Men of Gold, but it would definitely have recognized an Iron Mind, and their absence.

brumpch

>>64980081
That makes a lot of sense, Dark Age humanity's big sin in this case being jamming A.I. into everything and everything and not thinking to make sure every last back door had been shut. Because why would they? To them the idea of a machine revolt was about as likely as someone's hand suddenly deciding to overthrow their brain.

It's both arrogance and naivete and partly explains why the Tau's revolt didn't go the same way (not just that the Tau weren't as advanced, but that they weren't as A.I. happy).

>>64987873
did we come up with a name?

>>64996431
The GaBHD did more than just jam base-human equivalent (and plenty of stuff that was more complex but had really exotic mental architecture) into nearly everything, and the classic Men of Iron like Tiberius were actually pretty familiar and normal in terms of GaBHD citizens, and no more alien or corruptible than a comparable Man of Stone of the era. It was stuff like the more complex machine spirits that ran solar system spanning logistics and resource management networks, the most posthuman of the Men of Stone or Iron, the networked warmachines that the original Titans were command hubs for, etc. that were all closer to the Iron Minds than the rest of humanity that really became the problem in the Iron War. This was mostly because the GaBHD mostly saw the warp as a convenient hyperdimensional space for FTL travel, communication, and computing, and their last big AI singularity had actually come down to making psychic computers with synthetic souls as mighty as their synthetic minds.

>>64997494
not as far as I know

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>>64928065
Presumably he knows about the Horned Rat that lives there. Oris this going to be a shock for him?

>>64997538
It's not that the Men of Iron were more prone to corruption that lead to their extinction, it's that the Iron Minds were all trawling the Deep Warp when Slaanesh was born and all the really brilliant Iron Men were linked to them. The ones that weren't were all of humanish mental abilities and needed a high technology base to reproduce or stay in good shape. It being unfortunate that the Iron Minds one way or another destroyed that base.

Men of Stone survived because you don't need special training or equipment to make new Men of Stone. Vast swathes of the population would still have vanished due to unstable mutations and splice-jobs that now couldn't be corrected, the poor who couldn't afford such things would have survived better.

I’d write crons if I were a good writer. I’m still reading through notes and shit on d4chan though

How far back in the archives are pics of various characters?

>>65000465
Quite some way.

>>64991784
I might at that but there are no surviving Iron Minds. Elmo and the Ark Mechanichi are all Men of Iron even if they aren't man shaped.

The Men of Gold are constructs of the Dominion but ont *it's* Dominion and so the ship will not totally trust one without orders to do so from a superior officer or official of the Dominion, of which there are none. The Ark Mechanichi A.I.s are all the same rank as it is and Elmo, assuming it knows about Elmo, is a child's toy repurposed from old gardening equipment.

>>64951636
No. Fuck off clopper.

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>>64998080
Hortensia Zuriñe Joaquima McConnell, Commodore (retired). Born 547 years ago but due to time distortions of warp travel probably about 450. A hard woman that excelled in her career in the Imperial Navy and would almost certainly have made admiral in a few more decades. Extremely good at organizing the inner working of a large groups of people and extremely good at surrounding herself with people to delegate to on the principle that a strong leader knows how to use the strengths of others. Her ship, the Angel Ascending, was immaculate and ran with great efficiency brought about by hard discipline. For this she was hated and loved by her crew in equel measure, on the one hand she made life hard but on the other hand it upped slightly the chances of survival. She demanded prayers once per day (god or religion irreverent so long as all ceremonies and rituals remained within regulations of acceptable behavior and piety was maintained), penalties for lack of punctuality were harsh, punishments for sloppy uniforms were severe, drinking alcohol or partaking of any other drug on her ship was a good way of getting a checkered shirt, gambling was illegal. She didn't much give a shit to the internal working of the other ships under her command, a ship flies as it captain dictates and so long as it performs to how she believed it should perform then she had no reason to care.

When her second cousin or some such died and the position of head of the family's business became vacant it was given to her at the overwhelming majority vote of the Inheritance Committee that was made up of the elders of the family branches. It takes a special kind of iron will and attitude to run a family and business like the mega-corp of Carlos-McConnell and they believed that she had the "cat-herding" skills to do it.

>>65005808
Hortensia McConnell had always put her duties to her family above duty to the military, the two up until that point having never come into conflict. It took two years under an interim chairman (one of her many great nephews) whilst she trained up a promising replacement, handed in her notice and settled any lingering business before she would come back home. There was mixed feeling among her crew, that she didn't feel the need to tell until a few days before; one the one hand she was as compassionate and flexible as a brick but on the other hand the ship had run to an almost inhuman smoothness. The officers did have an alcohol-free wine and cucumber sandwiches party to see her off that she attended so it wasn't like she was entirely hated.

The great multitude of greatly varying businesses operating under the authority of the Carlos McConnell name have under her command been shaken up drastically. For one thing great investment has been made in ships, specifically the new Tau Engines that are operating in the Eastern Fringe.

The thing is that as someone who, whilst not terribly high up in the Navy, knew a lot of people that knew a lot of shit and she always was the dependable, reliable up and coming brick. She knows that the Tyranids are coming, she knows that the orks are multiplying and amassing, she knows that the Chaos lunatics are setting forth once more from their dark places and she knows a shit load of other things are coming. She knows that it's all very nice and well for lucrative and profitable endeavors but survival is better than profit. There are going to be a lot of refugees soon, a lot of them and Navigators have always been the limiting factor on warp travel. Refugee convoys don't need to go fast when you have a rows and rows of cryo-coffins, you could even theoretically travel warpless in such a manner.

>>65006613
There was descent among the other branches and heads of the divisions and companies and she has taken the most trustworthy into her confidence and they started to get real fucking quiet when they learned the sheer size of the shit about to hit the fan.

The planet of Carlos McConnell always has substantial McConnell mega-corp assets in orbit by necessity and for convenience but now there seems to be more than ever, especially in terms of armaments and a new shipyard. The story given to the civilian government and the people in general is that the mega-corp is going into the arms business, always lucrative. Of course they don't need to know that if the wolves come to their door they will be geared up for a fight, there won't be a second Souring of Ornsworld, and if the worst does happen then at the very least they can evacuate enough to maintain continuity.

Of the woman herself in her role as head of the McConnell clan and the McConnell mega-corp what can be said? She's much as she was but without a ship, so long as her dictates are followed she doesn't much care for the fine details, unprofitable branches of the family are pruned and members of the house forcibly adopted by more successful branches whilst up and coming prodigies and new talent is encouraged and given resources. She demands punctual and detailed reports and has lashed out violently when things are intentionally omitted. Indeed bad news is far better than blindness to her and inflicted blindness is seen as a direct attack.

She has no children, she's too busy to start a family of her own but sees absolutely no problem in marrying off all young and single members of her house adventitiously. It is her duty to ensure the survival of her family so that she can drag the rest of her homeworld with them.

Her lifestyle hasn't noticeably changed, spartan Navy living remains despite Felinid cultural trends favoring the flaunting of wealth.

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Next (small) installment in the Battle over Telis. Entering endgame territory now...
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“Stalwart Companion’s” voidshields are breached by return fire from chaos vessels, sustaining significant structural damage. “Despair Horizon” is unable to continue engaging her as the chaos vessel moves to target the Tether, while “Illicit Acquisition” and “Terror Apparent” score multiple hits on her hull with their main batteries. “Stalwart Companion” turns and moves to break off, diverting full power to thrusters.

Imperial line of battle is unsalvageable, the remaining vessels disorganized by the “Inflexible’s” charge into their ranks, and thus unable to break “Despair Horizon’s” charge. Though her voidshields are breached under the weight of the barrage, her armor holds, sustaining minimal structural damage.

“Despair Horizon” successfully rams “Legal Repercussion,” breaching her voidshields and causing severe damage. Her starboard batteries fire on the limping “Ardent Prayer,” rendering the already-damaged vessel combat-ineffective, while Port batteries fire on “Major Minor,” breaching her voidshields and inflicting heavy damage. “Legal Repercussion” executes high-energy turn to break free, making to break off as her warp engines begin charging. “Illicit Acquisition” provides supporting fire for “Despair Horizon” with her long-range batteries, finishing off “Major Minor” and scoring multiple hits on “I am Alfalfa,” breaching her voidshields and knocking out several weapons systems.

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>>65008594
“Spirit of Law” moves into knife-fight range of “Despair Horizon,” wracking her with broadsides. “Enduring Conviction” also fires on the chaos vessel, as well as focusing her strikecraft on her, though abstains from firing her Nova Cannon within such proximity to Imperial vessels. “Despair Horizon” damaged by the barrage, yet continues to close on the Orbital Tether.
“Terror Apparent” focuses fire on “Stalwart Companion,” inflicting severe structural damage and knocking out more of her macro-batteries. “Stalwart Companion” survives as a result of “Terror Apparent’s” involuntary jibing throwing off several of her shots. At risk of being rendered combat-ineffective, Captain A. Joanston requests permission to disengage and begins spooling up warp drive.

“Despair Horizon” draws within main battery range of Orbital Tether and opens fire. Tether begins sustaining damage, her defense weaponry firing on “Despair Horizon” with minimal effect. The chaos ship continues to close, tactical analysis predicting an attempt to ram the Tether.

Rear-Admiral Sprague deems the fight unsustainable, and orders a general retreat. “Stalwart Companion” granted permission for emergency warp-jump, while “Spirit of Law” and “Enduring Conviction” move to cover the retreat of the smaller ships. “Resplendent Piety” draws alongside wreck of the “No You” and begins taking aboard survivors. The rest of the Imperial fleet turns to fall back towards Orbiting Body 3M.

Multiple incoming Warp Signatures detected.

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>>65008695
Oh god dat spoiler!

>>65007065
I dig it

>>65007065
>>65007065
I like it. It's a mega-corp run as a tribe.

>>64932238
It's probably not going to be a mortal threat to the gods although thinking about it might be like tooth ache in the brain. Lesser entities is another matter entirely.

>>65007065
very well done!
Is this the standard modus operandi for felinid business?

>>65017222
They only have one world and predominate in only one mega-corp due to numbers (not to say others don't find employment in other people's businesses). It's a sample size of 1. Carlos McConnell also took them to interstellar mega-corp straight from island tribalism and so they keep shit in the tribe.

>>65007065
I'm trying to imagine her, any reference pics?

>>65018315

Possibly a Serious, Older! Holo with cat ears instead of wolfen.

I think we're writing the Chaucer version of warhammer. In general its more agreeable than the pop culture perception to the given era, but also there's the undercurrent of the author raping a lady and repenting it, and living in a society where that is applicable.

>>64990413
Does this old monster have a name or is it just a nameless ship?

>>65017636
The McConnells have also tried to maintain the image of a family business, but bigger.

>>64972938
Even with rejuvenants any eldar in a room full of humans is probably going to be anyone's senior by centuries, coupled with being part of a species that had been space faring for millions of years and they genuinely are the adults in a room full of children. As their mother goddess is married to the Emperor and last Man of Gold they see humanity collectively as much younger siblings.

>>65020035
It would almost certainly have a name. If nothing else it is also a person, and people have names. Can't think of anything especially fitting, though.

>>64980954
Probably wouldn't happen. Commissars have to be smart and word perfect in all military regulations as well as the nuances of when to apply the scalpel of common sense rather than the hammer of rules. Also they have to be diplomatic buffers between local rulers and officers among other things.

>>65022559
We've been calling it Spirit of Eternity after the canon ship, though I think we may have changed it a bit

>>65024551
That's as good a name as any. I can imagine all the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion ships having pompous sounding names. The Imperium has ships with names that are rather grander than the ships themselves but in that case at least half the time it's self depreciating humour or done as at least in part as a joke.

The Dominion on the other hand genuinely believed that their reign would last long after the stars faded away and the universe ended, their was the enteral dominion that would never end and live past the end of time. And why wouldn't it? They were second in technological advances second only to the Eldar Empire and they weren't stagnant like the eldar seemingly were.

Then everything went wrong and humanity blew it's brains out in the grandest traditions of the circular firing squad and the remnants had to endure thousands of years of Mad Max + Metro + Terminator + Event Horizon with the occasional raid from Doom: The Musical as performed by the Cenobites.

After that you can't really name ships with grandiose names that make it look like you think your empire will live forever because you know that archeologists are going to be laughing at you posthumously.

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>>65026188
Has anybody from the Imperium ever been onboard? Have they seen how it looks like inside?

Someone says that everything looks incredibly smooth inside, almost like a playground in a Schola. The panels, the screens, the consoles, are all extremely simplicistic. Few buttons, levers, and turning dials, and a dozen of symbols, maybe letters, in a forgotten language. Always perfectly tidy and clean. Maybe, they say, the crewmembers are often rotated to cleaning shifts.

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>>65027653
Probably not, or very very few. Part of the reason it hasn't been forcibly dismantled and studied is because it reacts poorly to attempts to board it.

>>65027653
Presumably the reason the controls are so simple is that the ship is designed to be crewed by people universally equipped with Mind-Machine Interface implants; the physical controls are just are backup for the extremely unlikely event of noosphere failure.

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>>65030314
If it ever did get boarded accidentally the end results would probably look like when someone tried to board Tosh's ship from Babylon 5. The ship gets pissed and wants you out posthaste.

Anybody saved the image of how to properly take pictures of your figurines? There's this guy that needs to see it

>>65033967
The difference between them being that Kosh's ship was never designed to have people, this one just doesn't like you. Presumably it had friends outside the crew back in the old days, it misses them.

>>65033724
essentially, the crew aren't dumb but their minds are built to last on geological to stellar timescales, and as such they aren't the quickest to learn matters of novel technique, and its still generally far easier for them to just talk to the ship rather than try to pilot her themselves. The simplified controls might have only been produced by the ship in the time after the Spirit broke out of the space hulk, as in their thirty years stranded in the hulk gave no call for such things, and in their own era the ship could have inhabited an avatar and captained herself.

>>65034671
They also probably couldn't survive off the ship, certainly they never want to leave. The crew are as much ship components as they are people. Some would say it's cruel to create an entire race of people to be subservient and confined from cradle to grave. The crew would disagree, they're quite happy. They know what they are and they know they are made to be happy about it, they aren't bothered by this.

Beyond that little is known about the ship, the crew or the personal relationship between them because The Spirit doesn't permit tourist.

Maybe one day it will trust someone else to show them around one day. Maybe.

>>65032547
Is Chem-chan a thing in this AU?

>>64956261
The dark eyes make people think of sharks.

>>64942843
Given that they came to war it could have ended in a sense of betrayal.

>>64856124
Isha T_H_I_C_C

>>65039149
She's a fertility goddess, a certain amount of thiccness is more or less mandatory.

>>65035739
Yes but only as in universe media. Krieg-chan was a character in a drama about the endurance of Terrainius. The other [planet]-chans were spinoffs and cash grabs that never made it big with the possible exception of Cata-chan due to marginally better writing and the actress being allowed to improvise a little.

>>65036719
Or seals.

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>>65035048
They could physically survive off the ship and may even, eventually, make lives for themselves. It's not like they are actually crippled or have any strange dietary requirements. They even look totally human until you look under the skin.

The problem is that the ship is hardwired into their brains. Every frame of reference they have and can make is relative to the ship and conditions of the ship. They are, possibly, clinically immortal but they learn at a snails pace. And the nature of their immortality isn't clear. It's distinctly possible that they sequentially replace bits of themselves as they wear out using equipment on the ship or they clone new bodies and strip out the cybernetics and implant into the new body, the "themness" riding through incarnations via the metal.

They could survive off the ship, but they wouldn't call it living and they would be miserable and there would be a ship shaped hole in their souls.

People have spoken to them. Their ship is their home but it is not a prison, they are perfectly happy to speak to people over the radio and some of them kind of speak High Gothic, but not super well. Colloquialisms are obviously either absent or mangled and they to themselves as we even when singular or us sometimes. They have names or have adopted names as all the names they have are also almost certainly the names of other people they have overheard in the chatter of the Traveling Court although they have made efforts to assign names to the correct genders at least.

Attempts to try and entice one to visit another ship have not been successful so far.

They also don't seem to understand the notion of rank. They are all the same "rank" and operate in teams with each answering only to the ship's A.I. and leadership of the team depending on what task needs doing.

They don't understand why most of the others ships are silent.

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How big are catachans?

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>>65007065
do we have anything else on the Carlos McConnell mega-corp?

>>65048564
we've given them as our prime example of a Rogue Trader concern that's in the same weight class as survivor civilizations, but not really elaborated on that

>>65011665
Where is this pic from?

>>65050416
the guy that paints Requiem Vampire Knight

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>>65043589
Do GaBHD-era Ark Mechanicus ships chat with the Spirit of Eternity? What do they tell eachother?

>>65052120
Low quality noosphere memes.

What's happening with Volistad and Commissar Holt in the Nobledarkness?

>>65052120
the good old days.

>>64918036
Are there any other lesser C'tan of note?

>>65055793
>The moulder of worlds "A C'tan's whose very thoughts could break apart a planet and reshape it in a form more pleasing to it", presumably big on mega engineering
>the endless swarm, its only noted for the silent king's hatred of it, but also not being the flayer
>the burning one "desired to bring his eldritch flames to the webway" and helped invent the dolmen gates, Trayzn canonically has a shard of him
>the crimson god, specifically enslaved by the Novokh Dynasty, but able to creatively interpret its orders, its presumably a pretty weak C'tan, possibly from a red dwarf

>>65056123
What did the Endless Swarm do to earn a special hate?

>>65057108
We don't know, it probably had something to do with scarabs

>>65057202
Maybe it grey gooed the Necrontyr homeworld, Gahet does say his world is now just dust.

>>64989786
>mostly human

Can they pass for human in a poor light? If so how can people be sure that one or two haven't been seeded around as eyes and eara?

>>65058584
that would definitely work

>>65060289
>Can they pass for human in a poor light? If so how can people be sure that one or two haven't been seeded around as eyes and eara?
That's possible, except very unlikely. They look human, sure, but don't really behave or sound human and humans tend to be good at noticing that. Or maybe that's what the ship wants us to think, but it is actually working with the Hydra to replace members of the Travelling Court.

>>65044846
Not sure how big they are on average in canon, but I'd say they tend towards the tall side (6'-6'6"/180-200 cm) since they are in the blurry area between baseline humans and Catachan-strain ogryn.

>>65048564
>>65017636
>>64987218
The felinids do have other colony worlds. It's just that although Carlos McConnell often bankrolls the initial settlement it's not like they cater to the colony's every need. While Carlos McConnell has interests in putting colonies out there it's not interested in holding their hands.

There's also the continental tribes, who are considerably less advanced and more warlike despite nominally controlling most of the major land masses (when Carlos McConnell arrived they were still hunter-gatherers). The People of the Islands were originally shogunate-esque feudal Japan (possibly mixed with Majapahit Indonesia). Though I'd see them as being less samurai and more ninja because even with steel they're better at hit and run guerilla warfare than fighting in an open field. Circa modern era they're akin to Japan as envisioned by Blade Runner and Neuromancer. The continental tribesmen are bigger and culturally are like the Wookies of Kasyyyk in temperate rainforest. I'd imagine this, along with the colonies, is where a lot of the felinid IG recruits come from.

>>65064741
What other colonies do they have?

>>65063272
The ship was a war ship, it's possible it doesn't know how to be that subtle.

>>65053346
The planet Volistad was officially founded in 979.M35 and is still in the early stages of terraformation. You can survive out there without a gas mask and such but you need sun block and prolonged exposure over years will give you a noticeably increased risk of respiratory problems developing. In truth the planet was settled by Magnus the Red in early M33, or at least it was done with his knowledge by Madox the Mad (or Madox the Sometimes I Just Get These Headaches as he preferred to be known) forging the primarch's signature. The colony at that time consisted of one robust surface dwelling, some tunnels and a few outbuildings, population ~5,000 psykers of varying capabilities trying and failing to make a second and more sustainable astronomican. This has resulted in no noticeable success thus far and the colony now mostly just tries it as a working hobby and supports itself in the astropath business and the training of psykers, a business that has only increased since the rest of the Imperium decided it wanted to settle the planet in a more official manner. Indeed the place is used as an astropath relay point for about a quarter of the segmentum by area (though not by population).

As it stands now Volistad is not a very nice place to live. The air is a bit thin and polluted, there is vegetation but nothing you would call a tree has been introduced yet with any real hope it could survive unaided. the seas are a little more interesting, but not by much unless you get excited over 4,000 varieties of shrimp and associated organisms. Top of the food chain looks like a crayfish and is about 10cm from head to tail.

The planet produces war material and soldiers. It isn't a forgeworld, indeed it was hoped that it would eventually end up as a nice pleasant verdant civilized world at some point but that's on hold for the foreseeable future.

>>65067159
Titans are made here by both humans and eldar, the vast foundries and forges in whose fires they are born are ever busy alongside the more mundane workshops and manufactoriums that lesser war produce is made. Civilization on Volistad gives praise to The Omnissiah and the memory of Vaul and is the home of the biggest sect of Vaul-Omnissiah Unionist Hereteks in the galaxy.

The events of Skroll's WAAAAAAAAGH!!!! went pretty much the same.

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>>65064741
In the story Death or Glory catachans are encountered by Cain whilst he is on the ship headed towards Perlia. Cain is tall, being over six foot and he thought that the catachans were huge and taller than him.

Of course Cain is tall and lanky so at least some of the huge is taken up by them having huge amounts of muscle mass. And the ones he saw were all men.

I always assumed that the men were about or just under seven foot and the women were about or just over six foot tall, big but not ridiculously huge. They look bigger because they are very good at putting on a lot of muscle.

>>65065651
Office branches on other worlds, trade posts of the mega-corps, refuling stations, land assets populated by long-term contract employees and such are all owned by the Carlos McConnell company who are probably also the planetary government as each island group was essentially nations in their own right and the continent dwellers weren't even that unified.

There are also private concerns. Some high ranking trader retires or makes a big profit and gets to keep a slice. They buy an island on some distant world and brings over the family and their families and friends and sets up a colony thusly.

Tithed soldiers deciding that they want to settle down on the land they helped reclaim/conquer/defend.

Much as the ratlings there probably aren't many if any pure felinid worlds bar their homeworld but they cast themselves far in little enclaves and so long as the Imperium stands they will survive somewhere in some way.

>>65066471
>The ship was a war ship, it's possible it doesn't know how to be that subtle.
Sure, but do the conspiracy theorists believe that?

>>65069546
It's obvious that it's got feelers out in the Travelling Court how else do you think the Galactic.Eldar.Conspiracy. keeps on top of the lesser matters.

>>65002841
Spirit doesn't know of Elmo, it's probable that the Ark Mechanichi don't either. Only Oscar knows about him as an outsider.

>>65070418
Is there anything not blamed on the G.E.C.?

>>65072992
Nothing. Up to and including premature baldness

>>65072992
the fact that any serious secret handshake enthusiast likely knows that the Hydra is fundamentally distinct from all but the most reaching and all encompassing theories of GEC doesn't stop many

>>65072992
Overgrown ears amongst humans. They are generally considered to be caused by random mutation and GaBHD-era genetic tampering.

Some Shadowseers from the most ancient Troupes consider this to be an elaborate practical joke of their god.

>>65072992
presumably unruly Necron Lords stealing from you

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Working on fulgrim, giving him Fallout Advanced Power Armor inspired gear

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>>65081178
More little tweaks, probably gonna do pen and color tomorrow

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>>65081527
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>>65081178
It's looking fooking sweet.

>>65067217
Have they been the site of any other major wars since then? Being a titan and other forge must put a hell of a target on them.

>>65083441
Castigator has made them a peronal target, and as the Man of Iron champion/fool of Shaa-Dome the crones are always ready to follow him to war, if only because the Chaos gods award a princehood every adventure to keep Castigator "manned" and focused on productive ends.

>>65018901
gotta say that what I meant by this is that the heroes have the faults of real influential heroes, instead of parodies. You fall when your mortal deeds are worse than your legacy, or in comparable situations, rather than when you turn into a daemon. Daemonhood is still an option, but failing to be good is its own pathetic fault distinct from being evil.

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any criteria for what pictures of the canon emperor are suitable to depict Oscar?

>>65083659
He still looks pretty much the same but dresses more modestly. Who does he need to impress at this point with fancy clothes?

>>65083890
more that he dresses in courtly clothes for most occasions and only puts on the armor when he's going to war, which is generally only during the Great Crusade, the Raid, the War of The Beast, and the various Black Crusades. The rule of thumb might be that pictures of the emperor in armor where he actually looks like he's in an active warzone are suitable.

>>65079407
anyone want to elaborate on the super influential Perturberabo character? His architecture and strategy of defense has become the multi-millenia old blueprint of Hive cities, he among all the primarchs is most poised to be recognized as a demigod just because he's the most present in the lives in the most Imperial citizens.

>>65083962
What's there to say? He was a paranoid nut job with severe depression and obsessive tendencies that occasionally went berserk and tried to kill everything near him. He's the only primarch to get kicked out of his legion.

But he was a very good architect and everyone who had to work with him on a daily basis is long dead.

Time has erased his failings.

>>65084210
he never tried to kill his countrymen, he just raised a legion by his own reasoning. That they threw him out for failure in the War of the Beast is entirely in line with his own ways, and it was the Steward that pulled him out of his suicidal tendencies.

>>65084291
They booted him out after the WoTB when he ordered the decimation of a planetary population. Presumably not long after the war as Earth was still in ruins.

>>65083938
Courtly clothes vary from world to world and sometimes even on a nation by nation basis on the un-unified worlds.

In the end it's better to just wear a well fitting but unadorned scribe robe-suit and stand out by your intentional plainness. You get too look modest whilst everyone else looks decadent and foppish.

Also when you're an 8'2" Adonis with golden eyes clothing, no matter how striking, is going to an afterthought in terms of grabbing attention.

>>65081527
looks fabulous.

>>65064741
There's also the third and much rarer Felinid. The fearsome Sabertooth Felinid.

>>65077970
>Implying Rebel Lords aren't a thing
>Implying Ceggers can't impersonate the Deciever
>Implying (((they))) haven't been playing both sides against the middle since the first days.

>>65087751
What do they look like?

>>65089084
>Perfidious NSE vampire boltzmann brain causality tricks
>Galactic. Eldar. Conspiracy. To do something... maybe... eventually... if they get around to it
>The Hydra's secret better Imperium hidden on Cthonia
>Be'lakor is always actually to blame for the chaos gods being such dicks

>>65090683
Don't forget Fulgrim's secret palace of immortals on the ring.

>>65089594
Big. Like a Nova-Ogryn but with more hair, stubby cat ears and some downward pointing fangs/tusks coming from it's upper jaw that are enlarged canine teeth.

They do not have the claws of the other two variants and instead just have slightly narrower and thicker than baseline fingernails. They also don't have vocal equipment which is fine because they also prefer solitary lives. They aren't antisocial so much as asocial. It was at first assumed that they were at least slightly retarded, but they aren't. The few examples discovered thus far have been literate in a rough and ready a fashion and have been able to understand almost perfectly the local language. Initial attempts to communicate were met with silence because they genuinely don't have anything they want to discuss and they want you to leave and they aren't going to encourage you.

They live on the main continent, often in the mountains, often in caves but not always. A few have been found in the Guard but usually in regiments with a tenuous grasp of record keeping and how they came to be there is unknown.

Given their asocial nature it is unknown how they find each other to breed or raise young. One possible explanation is that they don't and that they are all further mutations of the continent dwellers which is why there have never been any on the islands. The off-world ones being the children of tithed soldiers and the like.

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>>65067217
Would Warboss Khorga Skroll be a pure Gork and Mork fearing ork or one that tolerates ome of his boyz becoming Chaos Boyz?

>>65084291
His flashes of anger were described as omnidirectional and incandescent, they just burned out quickly.

>>65095863
Gorkamorka worship is usually necessary to maintain a sufficient whaagh to access the more powerful Ork tech, but the Chaos Gods grant very deliberate boons to chaos Ork warbosses, and they have higher than average lifespans and survivability

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>>65069521
Had an idea for one I never got the chance to really make sound well, which came about when I thought "what would a Chaos felinid look like?". It was also sort of inspired by 50k's Vordic-Taal, which I couldn't figure out if they were from canon or not.

There were many different religions on Carlos McConnell at the time of its discovery, but the most popular was some kind of ancestor worship, usually a form of syncretic paganism that picked and chose the best gods to worship out of whatever sounded interesting. One of the most popular was Camazotz, the goddess of warfare and the hunt (kind of like a mix between Bast and a Mesoamerican jaguar god) due to her portfolio’s universal appeal among the felinids. Camazotz worship is all about taking pride in your abilities and the nature of the hunt, honing your skills to a razor’s edge so you can be the best hunter you can be.

Following the arrival of Rogue Trader Carlos McConnell to the planet and the uplift of the People of the Islands from medieval to modern technological levels, Camazotz worship mostly declined in popularity but never completely went away, remaining popular among soldiers, law officers, and fishermen in particular. And, of course, the Continental Tribes, who retained more of their hunter-gatherer lifestyle, still worship Camazotz fervently.

If you're thinking "this sounds an awful lot like Slaanesh worship", you'd be half right. Camazotz worship also involves a significant degree of self-restraint (often deliberately), never killing more than is needed, respecting the prey for its sacrifice, and giving up the best cuts of the prey for the good of all, something that would sound ludicrous to any excess-craving Slaaneshi. Camazotz is your stereotypical hunter god that in folklore shows up to kick the crap out of hunters that kill for pleasure alone and don't respect their prey. However, this does not mean the worship of one cannot be easily subsituted for the other.

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>>65099448
One of the earliest attempts at setting up a felinid colony by Carlos McConnell was the Vorlic sytem, a primising system containing five potentially life supporting moons and one dead one. The Carlos McConnell corporation bankrolled the initial colonization effort but had almost no involvement in setting up the colony. They wanted self-sufficient colonies to ensure the felinids weren’t wiped out, but they didn’t want a bunch of worlds that needed the backing of the Rogue Trader group to get anything done (or worse, be a drain on their resources).

Almost immediately, things began going wrong. The felinids on the colonies began behaving increasingly aggressive, almost feral. Eventually, the five colonies declared open war with each other, igniting a conflict that lasted for nearly a decade. It was only when one colony travelled to the sixth dead moon of the planet that the “truth” of the matter was revealed to it and granted the power to subjugate the other colonies. I’m sure you can guess what that was.

Eventually, the Imperium wondered “what ever happened to that felinid colony” and sent an IG force to investigate. They ended up walking into a Slaaneshi-themed version of Predator being hounded by crazed felinids who only exalted and took pleasure in the kill, who worshipped a corrupted version of Slaanesh-as-Camazotz.

>>65099463
Nice. Are they still there or did they get nuked?

>>65099463
Is there moar?

>>65067217
How would the Mars AdMech view this unholy union of "tech-priests" and heathens working in harmony side by side?

>>65097502
They can still use regular tech and presumably if there is enough WAAAAAAGH!!! around they can still use ork tech to at least some degree.

>>65103223
The Chaos powers and belief might also help override reality a little.

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>>64830871
>Nobledark Imperium
Isn't this pretty much Warhammer Adventures?

>>65101386
They might have been "educated" later by imperial officials and taught to be less stupid.

>>65102244
Mars sends a lot of its unorthodox weirdos that aren't heretekal innovators to the titan legions. Titan legions have their own culture/subculture different from the normal tech-priests or skitarii and require one to be a bit more flexible when working with the notoriously temperamental titans and having to coordinate with eldar and their titans (who tend to send their weirdos to work on them for the same reason) and the occasional Ta'Unar Supremacy armor.

>>65101386
>>65105375
Usually by the point people have become a society of hunting fetishist worshipping Slaanesh there isn't much else you can do for them.