>>64518341
well obviously zombies would be used for all hard lowskill labour. if all citizens are undead then they probably would import corpses from other empires. so it could be somewhat of a postscarcity society.

>>64518341
Deathly quiet and restful.

>>64518341
>liches make a ton of money growing food for the humans that vampires need.
>vampires sell dead human servants to ghouls
>ghouls sell cleaned skeletons to liches

A fantastic society.

I’m in one in my current campaign.

It’s an underground city that’s eerily quiet and has no lights. The only sounds are footsteps and the wind blowing on the surface.

It’s like if an entire population was in study hall.

>>64518341
Depends how quirky your setting is willing to be.
You could go all out and have a necromancer college and a shopping mall with undead puns and parodies for the shops.

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>>64518341
Can you imagine how impossible an undead city would be to take?

>>64518497
why? necromancy is despitzed in manny settings so alot of necromancers die but therer would always be some undead of higher or lesser intellect left. they could run off and then form a society that is atfirst hidden and then slowly expands into a city. like a congregation of undead refugees that just wanna be left alone by blithering churchretards.

>>64518566
Take not make.

Just imagine it
>nobody sleeps in the undead city
>guarded by super skeletons
>undead live longer and are more likely to get to higher level
It’d be near impossible to attack undeadtopia

>>64518606
also imagine the skill that an undead blacksmith or leatherworker or anny artisan could archieve. with time an undead society could probably even BTFO the craftsmanship of your generic fantasy elves.

>>64518646
Imagine the cultural stagnation and lack of any vertical mobility cause the guy above you is still there though.

>>64518606
>>64518646
>Entire cities of god-tier specialist skellies
Okay, I'm spooked.

>>64518341
It would probably be a republic or democracy, at least of some sorts. Let's assume that the hard work is done via zombies, or they barely need to do hard work since they don't need to feed themselves. They got ample time to study, to hone their skills. And they are probably still bored. Participation in polticial matter is something they would want. Even though there is probably not that much to decide on when there is barely any change in their society.

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Loud, dirty, crowded, and busy. Imagine an urban center where the people didn't need food, water, sleep, or even sanitation. An entire city full of nigh-immortal people in need of something to occupy their time. Music fills the air from countless bands playing every tune, brazen fashion, novelty shops and tinkerers, performers of all stripes, sports in the streets and stadiums, games of chance and skill on each corner and house. Maybe a nice part of town where the living tourists/visitors go.

>>64518693
i mean just because they are undead doesnt mean they are 100% compliant. depending on their system of government they could very well have unrest and revolutions to allow vertical mobility. i imagine riotcontrol is hard with painfree skeletons that care little for for their bodies since they can reassemble

>>64518766
this desu. makes much more sense than a silent necropolis city. if all or most hard mindnumbing work is done by mindless corpses from other empires you have all the freetime in the world to persue hobbys and skills. not needing to sleep or eat or shit helps too.

>>64518766
>>64518825
just imagine:
>the humans are hled down by their opressive monarchy that supresses anny rebellion
>the dwarves are so withdrawn and isolationist and enthralled by their hunt for riches that they almost forgot what freetime is
>the elves are incredibly boring and uptight because of how their society and socialnorms work
>the undead are the nicest and most fun people to be around and are in constant flux and adaptation in everything because of the freedoms that undeath brings

>>64518867
>>64518825
>>64518766
>>64518724
>be human
>be son of farmer all life long in some godsforsaken shitty village at the edge of the empire
>someday be fedup and leave for an adventuring life
>hear of undead zone to the east
>i guess imma kill some zombos for coin
>enter undead country
>find abucnh of human miningvillages
>ask people if they need some zombiekilling
>they look at me like i insulted their entire familytree
>people start telling me about how great the undead treat them and offer great protection and trade in exchange for their dead
>whatthefuck.wallcarpet
>follow directions to undead capital
>can already hear music and laughter from the city
>not used to this because back home talking loudly in public places is banned to avoid rabbelrousing
>enter citygate
>see most lively city i have ever witnessed
>smells like hell and is dirty as fuck but noone gives a shit.
>craftsmanship of literally everything is impeccable and even trumps all the shit that elves make
>wtf is this place?
>get handed like 6 flyers talking about something called "political partys" and what they can do for the citizens of the undead empire
>mylifeisalie.parchment
>leave city completely overwhelmed

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>>64519040
>>whatthefuck.wallcarpet
God damnit, Anon.
I want my sides back.

>>64518341
>clothing is optional
>most undead still wear clothes out of habit/looking cool
>humans sell blood to vampires
>most of the underground city is cold like a wine cellar
>religion is popular because the nihilism really starts to set in after century 3
>the amount of art in the city is pretty ridiculous
>the lich college is constantly publishing studies
>humans sometimes donate blood to less fortunate vampires
>the colleges ensure that most citizens of the town have numerous degrees
>military service is mandatory to keep the paladins out

smells bad

>>64518341
I imagine it would smell really bad

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>>64519159
>>64519166
Wouldn’t undead use those cube slimes to clean the nasty smells away?

They don’t have any living flesh on them

>>64519142
>you live forever so mandatory servicetime i like 100 years so after a while every citizen around you is a veteran of 100 years of service
>someone human thugs try to assult some random mortal granny in the streets. a single skeleton notices and annihalates the entire gand in hand to hand combat.

>>64519236
thats actually really smart. just tame slimes and train them to not absorb bone. BAM streetcleaningcubes!

>>64519236
>>64519260
You could even ride them as a mount and kill two birds with one stone

>>64519273
if we think this thought through you just remove streets and make small channels of slimes that are all fused into really long slimes that "flow" in two directions. so you can just "ride" along the streed wich also cleans itself with ankledeep constant flow of slime

>>64519142
>>humans sell blood to vampires

But how do the ghouls get hold of human flesh?

How do they deal with the harmful (to undead) holy magic? Is it banned? What about necromantic spells that allow a wizard to assert absolute control over the undead? Do they admit that the well-documented disparity in IQ between liches and zombies is down to their undead type, and not the way they are treated in society?

>>64519354
>But how do the ghouls get hold of human flesh?
human merchants pay in corpses for wares
>How do they deal with the harmful holy magic?
if the humans ban necromancy the undead just ban divine magic. there is no reason not to
>What about necromantic spells that allow a wizard to assert absolute control over the undead?
just like mindcontrol magic for humans it would probably be banned or looked down upon
>Do they admit that the well-documented disparity in IQ between liches and zombies
i imagine that zombies, would just be corpses raised with intentionally low IQ for basic labour whilst normal undead and liches would be close enough in IQ (like normal humans and sholars) to n ot really matter. so it would be a twoclass society with sentient undead and basic undead

>>64518799
>they could very well have unrest and revolutions

Anyone who promises free brains would get the zombie vote, and that would be all that's needed. When they don't get the promised brains, they'd vow to vote third party, then fall for the free brains line from the Necrocrats again. Zombies are dumb.

>in addition to the hedonist society described above, there's the monastery of true death
>skellies, zombies and other non-hungering undead of all types inevitably end up there after centuries of exhausting every pleasure available to them and growing tired of existence
>they believe that although they cannot die, if they imitate the state of real death closely enough, they will be so near to death that it's almost interchangeable
>everyone in the monastery except the new initiates is completely motionless and still, probably have been for millennia, and caught in a deathlike trance where only the dimmest spark of self-awareness remains
>a loud enough noise or a bop on the head might rouse the less experienced, but those who have spent a long time there are nigh unwakeable
>rarely, very old slumberers will spontaneously awaken with knowledge one should not be able to have in this world, and a new zest for life, but these revelations fade from the memory over time and they often return to the monastery to "die" again

>>64519307
Like an organic conveyer belt
That's pretty comfy

>>64519446
but zombies would just be used like robots: mindless automatons for cheap labour. the actual higher IQ undead and liches would be the ones youd have to convince.

>>64519447
that sounds like a pretty logical "religion" for undead
>>64519467
yeah that describes it best i guess

>>64519477
>zombies would just be used like robots

But that's wraithist

>>64519517
>wraithist
lamo

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>>64519447
>Drunk Dwarves spend their tourist time just fucking with em in various ways like people do with the queen's guard

>>64518341
I'm designing a necrocracy for my setting.

Magical pylons are required to animate the dead. This "reanimation field" distributes energy by each corpse of a person or animal that died within range of a pylon, each of which functions like a relay station for the magic. Reanimating a skelleton costs more than reanimating a mummy because the magic has to compensate for the greater lack of muscles. Same goes for reanimating mummies compared to reanimating fresh corpses.

These pylons have to be built, repaired and guarded. Using the most decayed corpses, skelletons, to do all this is very inefficient because they consume the most pylon magic. So human living humans are still needed for menial jobs, and to produce more humans to replace them.

Humans put up with this because they expect to be rewarded with a nice afterlife in the necropolis. The carreer progression for citizens goes something like: human - mummy -skelleton.

Sometimes workers die without realizing because they are automagically reanimated. This is bad because instead of having the reanimating field replacing biological functions entirely, the increasingly rotted organs will keep distorting appetites and the brain will keep misfiring until our citizen has became a stupid, ravenous zombie. To prevent this, the recently deceased are mummfied: they are emptied of internal organs, besides dried and wrapped for the sake of hygiene.

There are political factions of dead people (all voters and representatives must've already paid those rights with their lives) clashing over keeping the system closed or trying to export it worldwide, over rising or lowering the retirement age (at which point people are legally allowed to kill themselves), over mercy-killing foreign workers (slaves) or expelling them, etc.

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There's only like 20 people who actually have any sapience. 18 of them are locked up in the library because the man up top really wants to extinguish the sun.

>>64519565
sometimes one wakes up randomly and just closes the lid of his sarcophagus magically witha faint raspy "fuck off"

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Yes, YES. This shit right here is why I love /tg/. I've been waiting for proper undead lore for a long while and now I've got a nice basis to go on thanks to you fellas.

I'd like to add a new layer to the discussion, though. What if the undead are caused by "evil" biomes such as those found in Dwarf Fortress? Essentially anything that dies in the region rises up again as long as they still have something of a body left. They could still die if thrown in lava or dragonfire and once you cut a limb off the limb gains it's on sentience.

>>64519605
why? that makes no sense. if you kill the sun you kill all living races and then your supply of blood, flesh and cheap bodies for labour suddenly ends

thats the most stupid plan ever.

There is a d20 book about this called Hallowfaust. It is a pretty good read.
>Everyone wears a badge so the undead patrols dont get you
>entertainment involves horror and fear
>can buy back your body so it doesnt get skeletized
>lichdom is frowned upon
>F R E E labor
>spooky undead dragon super weapon

>>64519640
i mean wouldnt that just be like normal animals to them? and if these risen critters attack human merchants the undead could just have undead hunters that capture undead animals to throw them in a slimepit to be dissolved

The cities probably wouldnt be nasty and smelly.
Yeah Undead dont have to worry about general cleanliness. But skeletons which presumably make up a big majority of the population (since their flesh eventually falls off) dont have any excrement or bodily discharges.

Now there might be trash and stuff everywhere, but that would still attract flies, rats, stray dogs, etc which would cause other problems - imagine what kind of magical diseases a rat might carry, it could still fuck up the undead.
PLUS, cleaning up garbage would generate a ton of jobs too

>>64519710
Also, vampires wouldnt live there because they have no constant source of blood.
Hence the reason they stalk around in human cities

>>64519710
but those jobs would be done by zombies since they are too easy and arguous for normal citizens.
so the jobs wouldnt matter

>>64519710
just feed the stray dogs and rats to some slimes i guess

>>64519640
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Undead
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Surroundings#Evil

Related links.

>>64519640
That is about what I have but it's artifical: >>64519586

>>64519735
Older ones probably would, they would probably connect more with liches than younger vampires.

Plus blood could be currency. It actually has a value unlike fiat currency.

>>64519817
i think corpses/bodies would in general just be the currency for trade with outsiders and internally the undead could have an own currency

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>>64518724

>>64519917
amazing

Deep down, everyone's a skeleton. There's a cult of skeletons who believe the skeleton inside every human, zombie, vampire, lich, etc. is a victim of the oppressive flesh, and must be freed. They plan and commit mass flayings. Flesh eating bugs are their favoured weapon.

>>64520033
also a fun idea. imagine this but also an extremist touch of >>64519447s religion and they wanan forcefully instill true death. these would be the equivalent of villains in their society

>>64520033
There's an equivalent on the ethereal plane and the plane of shadow- a cult of ghosts and a cult of wraiths, respectively. They believe that deep down, inside every skeleton, is a ghost, and that all skeletons must be freed from their biological cages.

However, in practice they can't do much. Wraiths and shadows use negative energy to do combat damage, and since undead are healed by negative energy, they're practically useless. Ghosts can manifest on the material plane and do spooky stuff but also have a lot of physical limitations and undead are notoriously difficult to scare.

They're more of a joke cult that no one really pays much attention to except when they need a good laugh.

imagine the shit that these undead could USE in their art and buildings and equipment!
they could make stuff like lead currency, they could make weapons or decor form uranium, they could use extremely toxic chemicals in all kinds of everyday applications

>>64519891
Well idk what they would export/import but they would still probably trade regular valuables. But then again they’re undead so im not sure who is jumping to trade with them

>>64520033
>>64520095
Post that one comic strip about skeletons saving a fellow brother trapped by flesh, you know the one.

>>64519565
>undeadward Hopper
Is there more of this?

>>64520159
>arsenic cocaine for zombies

>>64520160
people who want their art and products because their artisans have hundreds of years to perfect their craft

>>64518341
Modern world. Artificial opinions. Looping behavior. Looping conversations, or none at all.

>>64520193
>im truk stonebreaker and this is dwarfass!
>today we draw dicks on some ancient lichlord in the undead monestary in the uppercity!

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Are there a bunch of undead cities across the world or a big undead zone? How would the undead move across the land safely while trying to travel to the next undead city, avoiding the bigoted livings who don't like the peaceful skeleton realms.

>>64519447
I imagine an island would be fitting for the True Death monasteries, or at least somewhere very remote.

>>64518341
MARVEL AT MY PIRAMID, KNOW THAT YOU WILL NEVER ACHIEVE SUCH MAJESTY.

>>64520259
Actually this sounds like just the thing dorfs would do.

>>64520288
if they are a fullblown civilization they probably have multiple cities

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>>64520367
BOLGORG EAT
BOLGORG KILL
BOLGORG FUCK GOBLON
BOLGORG ANNOY SKELTUN

>>64518341
Check out Hollowfaust & Mavet Rav if you haven't already.

>>64518410
I doubt anyone would eat crops grown by undead.

>>64520780
how good then that the undead would never grow crops for their cities. it makes no sense for them or their trade

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>>64520176
I couldn't find that one, but have this one instead.

>>64520867
>the undead empire looks down on demons not because the follow the angelic gods but because they think demonic immortality is cheating because it isnt earned by becoming undead and instead is just given.

How would the existence of the undead civilization shake the foundation of the other civilizations' concept of the afterlife?

>>64521039
the clergy of their religions would panick and scramble to hastily declare them evil and unholy for defiyng the will of their deity of choice and disturbing the "natural" cycle.
so prettymuch standardfare but muchmore scary to the clergy

Ruled by a covenant of high liches. Liches are the aristocrats, while zombies are the lower class citizens and labour force. The zombies pay their lich lords to refresh the spells that keep them alive. Particularly wealthy zombies can afford better spells that can make their scars disappear, fix their grey skin colour or make their eyes look more lively. If an uninformed adventurer stumbled into one of the better zombie districts, he couldn't distinguish the citizens there from regular living humans.

The city is well known for its high art, as many old masters move there after death.

>>64521364
>they all graverob and raise famous people to be citizens
>they functionally have all historic figures in the city

>>64521364
i think it would make more sense if zombies are sentient at all. id instead think the ranking would be:
zombies as labourers for menial tasks<regular undead/skeletons with sentience as citizens or merchantelite<liches as intellectual and political elite

>>64521364
Also, it is a mercantile city. Top exports are fabrics woven with the spirits of the underworld, top imports are perfumes for the decadent upper class to cover the stench of their rotting flesh. A lot of money is made with medial services aswell.

>>64518341
I’d imagine it would be something of a caste system under an absolute monarchy.

At the very top you have the ruling caste of inteligent undead, the Lords of Death if you will. First among their number is the draco-lich Ryrvad, an ancient entity who gave over his entire existence to the gods of undeath. Beneath him are the noble clans of vampires and liches who control various districts of the city. These landed gentry make up Ryrvad’s court and are given titles such as duke, earl, baron, and count. A mortal could theoretically join the lower ranks of this caste by gaining enough of the favor of a vampire or lich to be rewarded with acceptance into the clan and transformation into the corresponding sort of undead.

Beneath the Lords of Death are the Commoners, mainly mortals of various races who have come to call the city-state home. However, some lesser intelligent undead can be found among their number. The Commoners are mainly necromancers, disciples of dark gods, and skilled workers of various kinds. They are often servants of the Lords of Death, but there does exist a small middle class of Commoners who are relatively wealthy merchants or craftsmen. The undead who can be found among the Commoners are of “lesser” kinds than those permitted into the clans of the Lords, such as vampire spawn, dhampirs, zombie lords/skeletal champions, and ghosts. Mortal commoners are guaranteed their right to remain mortal, provided they pay a weekly blood tax which is in turn used to satisfy the vampire population. Common necromancers are forbidden from attempting to control intelligent undead under pain of permanent death with no right to resurrection. Lords of Death may control Commoners of mortal or undead persuasion if they are the Lord’s direct subjects.

A caste apart from either group are the Mummy Priests, the religious leaders of the city. They guard temples devoted to Ryrvad and the gods of undeath, and perform rituals in them night and day.

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>>64518341
I suspect it would look something like Fallen London or the London from Sunless Sea (I think those are the same setting)

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>>64518606
>>64518375
>>64518766
>>64518825
>>64518867
>>64519040
>>64519236
>>64519260
>>64519273
>>64519307
>>64519447
>>64520033
How about we compile all of this into another comfy and original /tg/ setting, anons? I really like this. What do we call it? What system would we use besides GURPS if we want to release it with a ruleset? Vouching for Fudge here.

>>64521841
uh a name ... how about city of bones? heroic necropolis?

>>64521496
The Mummy Priests are, predictably, exclusively mummies. They are groomed for the role in life until their ritual suicide, preservation, and reanimation. They exert considerable authority in matters of faith, and often act as advisors for the Lords of Death. They are considered above Commoners but still under the Lords.

Beneath Commoners are the Serfs, unintelligent undead controled by necromancers and Lords. They consist of zombies and skeletons made of the corpses of humanoids and beasts alike. They are used for manual labor, beasts of burden, and cannon fodder. Commoners slaughter an ox for food? Ressurect the skeleton and have it pull a plow. Kill a squad of paladins? Now they harvest turnips.

Beneath all other castes are the Untouchables. Undead who are less useful than Serfs and repugnant in the eyes of mortal and undead alike. Mostly ghouls and ghasts, worms that walk, and gravecrawlers. They are more or less literally untouchable to many Commoners, especially in the case of gravecrawlers on account of their calcifying aura. They maintain the sewers and foundations of the city, feeding on waste(unused corpses, criminals, and the occasional unlucky Commoner) and watching for those foolish enough to attempt to sneak into the city through underground tunnels. Worms that walk in particular are persecuted, forced to live as outcasts in the most isolated places they can find due to their status as “failed liches”.

>>64521971
>>64521841
im a mediadesigner. i could cook up a logo based on what name we pick

>>64522001
>Worms that walk in particular are persecuted, forced to live as outcasts in the most isolated places they can find due to their status as “failed liches”.
Do you want Oogie Boogie? Because that's how you get Oogie Boogie.

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>>64521971
Necropolis: The Party

>>64521971
>>64521841
maybe call it "living death" to referr to the fact that the dead are the most lively of civilizations

>>64522059
Hell yeah we want oogie bookie

Someone needs to be the shadow of the face of the moon at night

>>64522113
Nights of the Lively Dead.

>>64522113
Skeletons & Suburbs

>>64522001
Last caste are the Knights Deathless, warriors of the city. They are considered above Commoners but the direct servants of the Lords, and one of the most diverse castes. They are responsible for enforcement of the law, defending the city, and waging war on those unenlightend to the power of Ryrvad. Among their number are powerful battlemage necromancers, incredibly skilled death knights, zombie lords/skeletal champions, and a fair number of mortals. They use hordes of Serfs as foot soldiers, supported by the skills of the Knights. Mortal Knights are always guaranteed resurrection as an inteligent undead should they fall in battle, thus their title of Deathless.

>>64522113
Kingdom of the Nearly Departed.

>>64522174
Liches Get Stitches

>>64522144
i think i love thisone the most

>>64522143
Quite right.

>>64521971
Ossuarx, the City Of Bones.

>>64522174
Suburbs & Skeletons, you mean.

>>64522144
Sounds comfy

>>64522242
Ghettos & Ghouls

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>>64522144

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM

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>>64519142
>clothing is optional
>most undead still wear clothes out of habit/looking cool
I mean, that’s certainly one option. If you’re still thinking like a living person.

>>64520288
I would think there’s like one major city that all the undead hear about and flock to.

>>64522305
I think this reflects the lively attitude of the dead in this thread better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtM2WSFv4UI

>>64522215
This one is solid.

>>64518341
The town would probably be founded by some kind of undead god/demigod.

Lich George Washington still exists but is eccentric and solitary.

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>>64522323
>Mexican skull paintings are actually skelle tatoos
I never thought of it this way.

mediadesign anon here. ill give afe of the popular names a shot. will post the logo with different names below it soon. keep postin bois

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>>64522409
Sweet.

>>64522323
>Hi, I saw there was a vacancy and thought I'd apply

>>64522409
I was thinking Necropunk, but it's already been taken.

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I thought this video would be appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT7iEWHOHLE

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first rough idea of the logo and my favorite of the suggested names upuntill now. i also felt free to add a subtitle.
i thought since this setting is abit whimsical the sillouett of the city should be crooked and cartoony with wierd windows.
thoughts?

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>>64522747
I'd have made the buildings resembling tombstones a bit more but this is pretty good, especially the skulls on the title. Heres an inspirational picture for the True Death monasteries.

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>>64522747
Looks good to me mang.
Though I do think it should be "Nights" instead of "Night"

>>64522661
>Shadman

>>64522876
Spat out my drink

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>>64522875
>>64522864
yeah my bad i forgot the "s". and i kindof did hide a tombstone. the green building on the right is a hidden tombstone.
i also added a citygate to the sillouette and

>>64518341
There's one in Bas-lag. Vampires are the lowest-ranking caste because they're parasitic blood junkies.

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>>64522939
Perfection.

>>64522939
Don't know how I feel about a pure white background.
Maybe blue with a moon in top left but keep the white windows and gate.

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i took the three most whimsical names and put them side by side. wich one do you like best? i personally like nights of the lively dead the most

>>64523068
the backgroudn is white because this is a screenshot from my software. it will actualla be transparent in the final logodraft so the logo can easily be added to things

>>64523070
Man I'm torn between the first two.
But if I had to chose I'd go with the first one too as much as the second one's pun appeals to me.
Maybe we can use it as a chapter title?

>>64523097
Ah, fair enough.

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While medianon works on the logos let's try to flesh this out some more. What is raising the undead int the first place, necromancy or magic biomes? How do other types of undead fit into this like vampires and ghouls? And what are their usual livestock besides the flesh-eating slimes?

>>64523161
id say bouth are responsible. necromancers that get killed and leave behind good chunks of their undead servants that then all flock to the city and also biomes where undeath just happens.
not sure if ghouls should even be called undead. arent ghouls just disfigued recluse humand that are also canibals?
and i think vampires are probably mostly to uptight to join the city because they deem it as dirty and a loud flashy place with toolittle blood to go around.

>>64523306
>>64523161
maybe the city even is in such a biome. maybe the city even CAUSED its surroundings to become that undead biome

>>64523161
Aren’t slimes the perfect livestock? They can eat meat, garbage, and plants.

If the slime was edible you could use them for everything.

>>64523161
I'm thinking a combination of both.
The small country started out as just a section of particularly spooky dark land that undead had an easy time rising within that additionally just generally attracts undead of all stripes and they've built a civilization.
I don't think vampires fit in with the major population of Skelebros since there's no blood around.
Unless with the rise of human/other tourism they come in since they won't be hunted down for operating publicly. The skelebros hate this cause they walk in like the haughty high class assholes and start acting like they run the place when they weren't here to build it.

>>64523336
the undead dont need to eat tho (except the workerzombies maybe. they can have brainflavored slime as a substitute food)

>>64523070
I prefer Kingdom of the Nearly Departed

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>>64523368
Ghouls hunger for human flesh.

It must be frustrating for a ghoul to see a zombie walking around, because its flesh could have been their dinner. I imagine there'd be some kind of flesh-eater's union that is against reviving intact corpses when fleshless skeletons are quite capable of doing zombie chores.

>>64523368
They have to feed humans for vampire citizens. Or servants.

>>64523469
general consesnus here seems to tend against vampires in the city tho. or atleast very few vampire if anny at all

>>64523509
I'm with this anon. Just zombos, skelles and the undead lich.

>>64523509
Some will definitely come. Probably the sorcerous ones or the really old.

And a town where one can just be a vampire without worrying about being staked has to be semi-attractive.

>>64523368
There will be a bunch of humans sick of the thumb of such and such king pressing down on them wanting to move in when they see the raw power of Skelebro culture and freedom.
Its not like the skelebros lose anything, when they die they get more bros to hang with.

>>64521841
>another comfy and original /tg/ setting, anons?
N-No! Muh generals! Fucking do it, Please, We need more OC in the grimdark calibri font internet of the future.

>>64523070
Lively dead.

>>64521841
FUDGE is a good pick. I actually think GURPS would be a decent choice too though tbqh imo friend. Maybe also Mythras or some BRP variant? Reign/ORE?

>>64523815
On second thought, I almost think it should be intentionally system-agnostic but with easily understood benchmarks ("twice as strong as a living man" etc.) so people can map it to their own games. Systemless stuff like Hot Springs Island can be fantastic.

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lively dead seems to dominate so i went with that. i also gave everything a ghostly glow and changed the green to fit the sickly glow more. thoughts?

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This is gr8. I've been mulling over an undead, desert nation for about a week now. Some thoughts.

>The high ruler is a composite entity of three liches, each specialized in a different facet of governance
>The masses of art, literature, philosophy, etc. Produced by the citizenry are often published under psuedonyms or third parties to avoid public outrage and rejection
>country is in the desert, to discourage invasion, the capital itself resides in a cavern filled with toxic, volcanic gas
>The country itself is mostly skeletal and spectral, as hungering undead would be too much of a burden. Though they do maintain close ties with the Ghoul Empire in the underdark, several vampiric covens, and various other undead entities that benefit from their ties to the country, usually in return for corpses to add to their population
>they are in the midst of establishing positive political relationships with the other nations, leveraging the knowledge of it's ancient scholars and inventers
>A big cultural cornerstone is the idea of empowering mortals, that the gods alone opted to put a cap on life, and it is the responsibility of mortals to take back their sovereignty after death

Pic related- My quick, shitty sketch of the Tri-lich that kicked off this whole thought experiment

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>>64523877
my bad should have posted the transparent version

All of this talk about liches, but how do they maintain enough fresh souls to feed them?

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>>64518341
What do you guys think about a shadow council of liches that rule the city.

>>64523873
Yeah, I don't see any reason to system it tbqh.
Its just pure setting, there's not much need for any system stuff.

>>64523912
simpel. everytime a lowly workerzombie is made the liches of the city extract like 90% of the soul so the other 10% leave behind enough basic functions to have a braindead obediant eternal workerdrone for the city

>>64523923
why exactly a shadowcouncil? there is literally no reason for a lich to hide from other undead

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>>64518341
Ask this guy , he has plenty of those

>>64523368
There will be a bunch off necromancers though.
I don't think the undead will have a bad relationship with them, just a sorta "keep your servants to the true dead or the stupid and we won't have any problems" attitude.
Hell, I love the idea of a necromancer college where gifted skelebros themselves can learn the arts alongside living students from both undead and living instructors.

>>64524030
i mean it makes sense that the necromancers need food. yeah so fair point to have atleast some farming on a small scale

media anon here. i think ill go to sleep now its really fucking late here.keep the thread going while im gone so i can make new stuff when im back! if it dies just use the transparent logo above and make a thread about the setting.
i can also make that thread myself if i come back and noone made it and thisone is dead.

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Alright, how about general stats for the undead themselves? Lets suppose you want to start out as a skelle or the adventurers find Tombcity and become undead themselves, what changes from the average human? How do the undead from this setting differ from the others? If adventurers want to trade something how do they pay the skeletons?

>>64518341
a necropolis.

>>64524258
I'll make the next thread with your logo as the OP image so we can keep brainstorming if this thread dies.

>>64524666
I like the idea that skeletons are faster, lighter, and more agile than normal dudes but equal strength to normal dude, same as when they were alive.

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>>64525313
Pretty high dex and movement speed.
Some kind of penalty to rolls regarding resisting being knocked prone without weight to resist it.

>>64523509
Vampires would be the socialites and celebrities that everyone envies for their good looks and hates for their depravity.

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>>64518341
it would be a good place to find a husband who admires living flesh
or donate my flesh and blood to a higher cause and join said city when there is only bone left
either way, it'd be a good place to go

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>>64525380
Based.

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>>64518341
Taking inspiration from the Chimera Ant Arc in Hunter X Hunter, I think it'd be cool to portray Undead at first as little more than mindless automatons, doing whatever they need to do to to serve their city, their Lich and ultimately continue their species. Robbing graves, raiding small villages and so on to give the Lich a new batch of skellys to turn into fully fledged undead.

Over time the Skeletons become more and more complex. Beginning to show signs of human like cognitive ability and develop personalities, even wearing clothes to differentiate one from another. The smartest skellies develop specialised skillsets and are made leaders. Eventually a chain of command develops, with the strongest, smartest skellies on top and barely sentient skellies as little more than slave labour at the bottom.

Skeletons have their own politics and conflicts among eachother, but at the end of the day The Lich is the absolute authority and every Skeleton is programmed to follow it's orders. The top priority of every Skeleton is to do whatever papa Lich says and usually that is to just continue helping it make more skellies.

However, when a dumbass band of adventurers decide to kill the Lich, all hell breaks loose. Without the guidance of the Lich, several high ranking skeletons decide to break off from the city and instead seek to become Liches in their own right and establish their own undead cities.

>>64518341
The Undercity

>>64526537
Love it.

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There's a single undead city in my campaign [the one I'm in, I'm not the DM] and while the city is pretty standard I love its backstory. There's a country thats basically not-Arabia. Four thousand years ago it was closer to Not-Egypt. In the land of al-Khemet there ruled a Pharoah, an immortal sorcerer who could revive if slain and ruled the land with righteousness and fairness. His sorcerer-priests betrayed him and mummified him alive, trapping him deep underground for all time. For millennia he watched his country fall, rise, and evolve from his astral form before finally getting out. In the scattered ruins of his ancient dominion he walked, before finding there were some survivors.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY

Mummies, liches, vampires, ghosts who had endured through the deep abyss of time. Century layering on century, as every memory of their world fell away and the world left them behind. Patient beyond imagining, most of them scarred, some senile or half-mad, or filled with the sins of ages, waiting for him. They gathered to see him. Upon seeing the loyalty of his friends, the Pharoah decided to retain his mummified form instead of resurrecting. He built the Necropolis in the ruins of his ancient capital. The whole city is built on bittersweet nostalgia, a sincere consolation for a small group of ancient undead who endured long beyond what anyone could possibly endure. Its the only city of the dead in the world, which otherwise reacts to ghosts and zombies with terror and pitchforks.

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This is the afterlife class pyramid. It determines your role and place in the afterlife while fighting the Skeleton Wars. Roll for your class and automatic enrollment, no rerolls unless two anons get the same job.

>>64527241
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME

Rolled 53 (1d99)

>>64527241
>>64527472
F*ck, the world really did roll me. Forgot this wasn't Roll20 for a second.

>>64527492
>beastmaster skeleton
Well, that'll certainly make stings and scratches easier to bear. Too bad everything I work with is fundamentally horrified by my presence.

What a shit-tier job for a skelebro.

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>>64519447
>>64518497
>try to conquer necropolis stronghold
>find out far too late about the innumerably vast reserve garrison of terribly cranky elder undead, all with a rather dim view towards your galling interruption of their semi-eternal rest

>Standard undead and the like slowly lose their sentience as whatever god of Death there is tries to drag them to the underworld, and slowly takes parts of their soul, memories, experiences, thoughts, until they're nothing more than screeching beasts not unlike what a necromancer would use as minions
>The city has a policy to put down any that seem to be close enough to losing what little they have left, and let them pass on

The trees should be undead too. They're not animate, they're just normal plants but undead.
I don't like the in middle of desert thing.
They should be all black and decayed and their leaves a sickly white with purple veins branching out across their forms.

>>64529771
Or it could be in perpetual autumn instead of having those weird white leaves.

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>>64528111

So what would the role of necromancers be in this society?

Would they be placed highly, and considered important / powerful figures? Or would they largely serve as the equivalent of NCOs in the military, and foremen / supervisors for the mindless zombie chattel-laborers?

>>64530999
they would fill the role of nurses and doctors i guess. they help "birth" new undead and know the undeads bodys really well

>>64518341

Probably cold and unwelcoming.

Either so full of vermin it is always visable in every inch or so sterile you would think it was on another planet.

It most certainly shouldnt be busy or loud.

>>64518867
>>64518825
>>64518766

Sounds like florida.

>>64531172
I would imagine rather clean. As said above, the idea is they would use slimes to clean up all the refuse around .

They might also do their best to keep things vermin-free,if only to minimize the risk of a rat gnawing off zombie 5132's toes and making it stumble as it walks, hence leading to inefficiency.

I can imagine the distant sound of constant rumbling, like machinery, throughout the craftsman's districts. Something only generally heard in the most industrious of dwarven cities- but curiously, instead of the hiss and whistle of steam-driven pneumatics, there is just a constant, clacking rattle. And when you see the machines themselves, you see why: They're not 'real' machinery, not of iron and wood riveted together. The machines that drive the heart of the necropolis' industry are made of bone and sinew, animated by necromantic energies.

>>64518341
Are there different types of undead? Would some be corporeal and some insubstantial? Some intelligent and others mindless?

>>64531375
what seems to be the current consensus is that: zombies are mindless workers for lowend jobs, then we have skelletons and smarter zombies as the common people, liches form the intellectual elite. these are the largest groups but the city also has minor populations of ghouls, vampires, mummys and all other races

mediaanon here. im back. ill now do a little PDF that summarizes the most important things from this thread. but be warned:
A)im german so expect bad english grammar
B)ill always use what seesm the more popular facts here since if i included all wed have a bunch of contradictions

this is probably the most fitting theme. even more so than the above ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhNNHp3BKyM

I've always like the idea of a philosophy/religion based around the idea that life is all about constant change, growth and decline. Unlife involves stasis and stability. So, each person's goal in life is to become their most ideal self as much as possible, and then convert themself to an undead before they start to decline. Maybe that involves monk-like asceticism, for others maybe it involves finding true love and freezing it before it can inevitably fall apart.

>>64531552
could be a prescept of the monestary of true death described above.

the monks of true death could beleive that once you grow tired of existence you essentially stop beeing your ideal self and see this as just another reason to embrace true death

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this is the rough look i have in mind for the PDF pages and how the descriptions will read

>>64518497
You can't really starve a skeleton and a rotting flesh of a zombie is a problem for a living, imagine the plagues.

>>64531697
That looks great to me, Anon.

>>64531709
just make the district where the living people live like a normal city mate. give them normal food and clean water and aslong as they dont hug zombies and wear gloves outside their area they should be fine

>>64518341
it would be divided into zombies, ghouls and skeletons.
the skeletons would be the leading caste while the ghouls are the soldiers and the zombies are the workers.
also they'd have a silent king

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>>64518341
Nobody makes a sound or has any thought save for the necromancer controlling it
So it would be perfect
So it's heaven

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This is Valder, Necromancer Lord of Felheim, Master of the Felheim Legions, and Wielder of the Felgauntlet.

Yes, those are his titles.

He grew up in a 'fallow era' - so named because the Gauntlet's whereabouts were unknown in this period. In fallow eras, Felheim always became turbulent. Pockets of civility remained, but were adrift on a sea of rampant savagery. The dead, unchecked and ungoverned, wreaked havoc, forcing the living into acts of desperation.

Valder became a warlord specifically to obtain the FelGauntlet. He aquired it at a young age and ever since then, the undead ruled felheim. If everyone was undead, he'd need not require taxes or need cities the same way living people for that matter. But he does, when his armies can capture of a settlement, an enemy can reclaim it and immediately recommence taxing the populace as Valder obtained the dead from the graveyards and those that resisted his rule.

He sought and obtained the Gauntlet for the control of the dead, not as a conqueror, but as a peacekeeper. Undead would exist in Felheim, necromancer or no, and his job as its master is to ensure people that can do their daily business without fear of being eaten by zombies and with the sense of security only a tireless guardian force can provide.

He's still feared by the Cherrystone kingdom and leads an invasion against them, but atleast he doesn't massacre ALL the townsfolk he comes across, lest he have no tax revenue. The villagers fleeing could mostly be running in fear of the sight of undead rather than any atrocities he's may not be committing.

Then again, he is a viking, so slaughter is to be expected.

Throwing this up just for people to take inspiration.

>>64531457
Man those bar scenes are exactly what the city would look like in most days.

mediaanon here. update:
fuck i forgot to installadobe indesign on this pc... i guess ill have to make the pages sepperately first

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page two of the summaries. i trued my hand at comedic writing here for the first time so keep that in mind. on this page is summarized all posts about:
>trade with the outside
>how living people are accomodated for
>how the city doesnt drown in trash
>the monestary of true death
>the necromantic college

>>64533402
Nice

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new page. added some personal comedic touches again. this page summarizes the following toppics from the thread:
>the government (since democracy and monarch seemed equally popular i just described it as a constitutional monarchy like england)
>the military and the rabid hordes of paladins and clerics that regularly try to attack the citystate
>the nonexistant diplomacy that is completely blocked by rabid priests and the trade relations that connect the city with the outside instead of diplomacy

>>64519142
>tons of well educated undead
>empires throughout history have stories of really weird looking people in robes giving them tips after dark ages and apocalyptic events

>>64531697
>>64533402
>>64533777
Correct some spelling errors and it's perfect, maybe add some more about their goverment.

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>>64518341
Massive dairy industry

>>64534309
>skeletons go to specialized beauty salons
>they bathe in tubs filled with warm milk to keep their bones sturdy and good-looking
I approve of this

>>64534102
ill do that once i have all the important stuff written down and then ill accumulate the pages as a PDF for a dedicated thread in the future

>>64534309
thats a powerfull skelleboi

i have a strong urge to build the tombcity in minecraft now...

mediaanon here: cant continue the art right now. but later ill post page 4. im playing some pen and paper with friends tonight. keep the thread alive bois!

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>>64536045
Alrighty.

do you think slimes also are used as gabagebins?

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Undercity desu

>>64523967
Cause shadow council sounds cooler.

>>64537646
ok but it makes no sense

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>>64526537
I could see this happening because the lich gets amnesia, like Chris Perkins's lich from Dice, Camera, Action.
>"Strix called you barmy, is that your name? Barmy?"
>"It very well could be."

>>64527506
Dogs will love you.

>>64523967
No no no, it's a council which shadows the composition of some overworlders' council.

>>64537911
sounds wierd. especially since apparently the constitutional monarchy of the tombcity is way to chaotic for something like manipulation a different kingdom

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>>64523967
It’s a council of shadows.

>>64538140
are shadows undead? if yes they probably also live in the city

>>64538168
Probably some form of wraith.

>>64538168
>>64538140
>>64538180
what jobs would shadowwraiths do?

>>64538199
Police, they moniter the streets/family property.

>>64538217
>wraiths are living police securitycemeras.
i like the idea

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>>64521771
But anon, Fallen London has the Tomb-Colonies which are basically what this thread has been describing this whole time.
>Stuffy and dusty
>Lively music scene
>Quasi-undead go there to be alone with each other

>>64519917
>SEEK NOT THE SIXTH WAY!
Going to use this at work.

>>64538238
>vampire steals something from a store starts running away
>wraiths pop out of the ground and arrest him

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>>64520033
>he thinks skellingtons are real

>>64521364
would be really interesting to perhaps have some benevolent liches to create free "undead enclaves" by binding their essence to the land and sacrifice most of their being to keep the undead of that land "alive" in exchange for being worshipped like gods.
the tensions between the free deads and the lichdoms could be pretty interesting.

it could also be neat to elaborate on zombies from lichdoms with sufficient free will trying to raise to lich status to be free, and how the liches' forces would fight these revolutionaries

>>64520159
Now that I think about it, a whole lot of paints are based on heavy metals, like arsenic, lead and cadmium.
Undead could use those with complete impunity, which would make life very unhealthy for living beings.

>>64538548
literal shower thought:
1984 but with zombies
inner party = liches
outter party = intelligent deads
proles = braindead zombies

with heavy propaganda to tell everyone that the party is the only way

>>64538548
but thats what the living area made for tho: a place to live built with life-friendly materials. aslong as they dont lick the walls in the undead cityareas or hug painted skeletons they should be fine

>>64518341
So in a undead city, would Death be the high king as he hold the keys to the power of undeath?

>>64538626
not according to the summary apparently >>64533777

So skeletons wish to be free from the flesh, but woundn't the marrow and flesh in the bones wish to be free too? Wouldn't the the soul wish to be free of the bones?

>>64538839
but your bone IS your soul anon. ekeletons ar ethe purest form of mind

>>64538140
Umbreas Corpus.

>>64538932
That's Latin for Umbrella Corporation.

>>64538964
Kingly Corps.

I want to make a corpse joke.

>>64521841
Pathfinder would make me happy as I'm running a game with that system and would love to incoporate undeadtopia in golarion.

>>64539092
I think the best place for such a city in d&d cosmology would be hidden in the negative energy plane or the plane of earth.

Depends on how many living people are going to live there.

mediaanon here. im back from the pen and paper game and i actually realized something. i ran out of broad toppics to summarize. anything big i have forgotten in my previous pages? >>64533777
>>64533402
>>64531697

Nostalgic. The dead have naught but their memories.

gotta sleep again. make a new thread when thisone dies. ill be back tomorrow to continue compiling this sweet sweet lore

>>64537597
>sidepart
>mascara
>Black lipstick
>A fucking cigarette
Undead waifubait is trash and Undercity is poorly thought out.

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>>64518341
I was thinking of a hirearchy based more around age rather than the specific class of undead, seeing as most types of undead flow well into one another as the process of decay takes over. Such as, maybe as the flesh of a zombie decays, they grow smarter and evolve from being a drone worker into being a skeleton, and so on and so forth. Liches or whatever could be the highest intelligences, maybe due to the fact that they have reached such a point of decay that their bodies need to be maintained by the magic just to stay together. I'm thinking that maybe there's a giant crystal that keeps all the undead alive, or maybe the living embodiment of undeath sits vacant and uncaring on his throne as the sole arbiter and maintainer of this entire kingdom that has been built up around him. Something like that. I'm also thinking that the divide between zombies and everyone else shouldn't be as pronounced to make the transition between classes easier among other things. I'm thinking that the council of the oldest rules over everyone. Also, since nobody dies, I'm thinking that the system is kinda due for some problems as the middle class swells without fresh zombies to take care of them and nobody ever dies. Maybe the elders are artificially keeping undead preserved and younger so they stay in the lower class, something like that. I'm also thinking it would be pretty kino if the kingdom was underground, or upside down under a cliff, or in a different dimension or something. Underground would be pretty cool I think. Maybe on the surface it could be a massive graveyard of uniform gravestones, and when you go underground there's the edge of the kingdom, so when people bury their dead there they get taken by the city's "undertakers" and they leave money or something on the gravestones. That would be cool. I gotta draw this it sounds sick.

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>>64518341
I demand ye to live, thread.

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>>64548940
Why wish such a dreadful thing upon it?

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>>64520033
>Perpetuity of the bone

mediaanon here again. im really at alloss whaother theme we have talked about in here to summarize anfill a full page. i think ill just fix the grammar now and actually compile the PDF

>>64549520
actually would someone here be willing to help me fix grammar who natively speaks english? i could paste the text here after i looked over it once so i really dont miss anything.

>>64518341
What needs do undead have, first of all?

>>64549773
depends on the type. vampires need blood, zombies need some sort of food, skeletons and liches need none

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i caved. im gonna try to build the tombcityin minecraft here is the pallet for buildings and terrain. once the buildings are done ill add colorfull sails and marketstalls and stages etc to reflect how lively the city is

>>64543851
Dead men can't get cancer.

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>>64550724
bonecancer exists. its actually horrifying

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>>64538140
So, The Obzedat basically