>>62171748
All right, last thread died too early, and right after a good write-dump about the incident between Be'lakor and Alpha Legion too. That's partly my bad for forgetting to bump, but I'll try not to let it happen again.

>>62171811
It's my fault too. Trying to get the Ulmeathic League up on 1d4chan. Real worried because I'm going to be AFK for about a week or so and I hope things will still be here when I come back.

4chan for some reason seems to be moving a lot faster than usual.

Are we keeping Ingethel? At least the base concept, I think shaman/witch-terrorists lurking in Cadia's woods work well alongside daemons and other Chaos horrors for Cadia's early Stone Age history. As well as be a bigger pain in the ass for the Imperium. It's hard to tell what does and does not get the vote of approval anymore.

>>62172248
Well, I should say does, usually if something is really good anons usually say something, or if it is really bad anons say something.

>>62172248
I thought it was good.

>>62172248
>>62172265
Well, now that I know, I'll try to keep a closer eye on the thread for the next week or so. Worst comes to worst, I can start posting the incomplete version of the writing I'm working on; all the talk of the Ulmeathic League struck me with inspiration to write about the Last Stand of Nikai the Unbreakable.

Regarding approval, I agree that it's a bit hard to tell these days, since people only really tend to speak out if something doesn't really fit. In this case (Ingethel), I think the base concept is neat, my only real issue is the simple matter of
>Cadia
>Forests
As far as I'm aware, these two things do not go together.

>>62172767
This would have been waaaay back when, in M31, when the Imperium first landed on Cadia and the natives were still using stone tools and terrified of whatever was lurking in the dark. Before Cadia was maximally fortified and turned into miles of trenches and bunkers due to 10,000 years of war.

In canon Ingethel is this village shaman maiden who shows Lorgar what Chaos is and then becomes what is quite possibly the most anti-climactic daemon prince, ascending using the sacrifices of ten people (well, one was a Custodes, but still), and goes on to become the Vergil to his Dante as he gallavants through the Eye on his pilgrimage. And has a nervous breakdown when Khorne decides he is a strong, independent Chaos God who don't need no other gods.

Since Cadia are mostly Chaos haters rather than Chaos worshippers on first contact here, the easiest way to transplant Ingethel would be as a horrible witch that kidnaps babies. It's likely that someone would be crazy enough to serve the Chaos Gods even on a planet full of Chaos haters, even if they got ostracized and hated for it.

>>62172999
Ah, that makes more sense. Objection withdrawn.

>>62172999
>>62173239
Only question would be should we do anything with Ingethel after she ascends to daemonhood? Ingethel's canon status is currently murky, it's likely she's still around because, you know, daemon, but it's always possible someone like Corax inflicted a true death on her.

Would Ingethel still be a boogeyman haunting the nightmares of Cadians and swooping in to plague her old home on the heels of each Black Crusade? Has she decided to move on to greener pastures?

>>62173430
I'd have her visit her old hunting grounds whenever the Black Crusades roll through. If nothing else deamons are usually pretty obsessive by nature.

Could anyone link the writing in the last thread?

>>62166921
We also threw around the idea that Vandire was working for the Administratum in the Imperial Court fairly close to Oscar for some time before any motion towards putting him on the throne. This was to the extent that his place in the circles of the Hydra became a matter of debate in the secret societies after the Civil War.

>>62174058
Which one, the Be'lakor one? The last thread is archived on suptg.

>>62173905
This is true. What should we have her do between then? In canon Ingethel is treated as a Chaos Undivided Daemon Princess, but here she is Slaaneshi because her Daemon form screams Slaanesh (snake-like, four arms) and we've been avoiding having Chaos Undivided princes except perhaps with the Soul Forge. Maybe Slaanesh just drew the short straw that day?

>>62171748
Would the Daemon Prince of Blood Bowl be...Nuffle?

>>62174816
Slaanesh looked at Doombreed and was jealous. She said to herself "well I'll get my own one of those and you can't stop me Mr BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY!"

So she.

>>62174816
It possible that Ingethel has started a Cadia mockery out in the Eye of Terror from some of the kidnapped children for her amusement. It is not a nice place, it is Cadia how she dreamed it.

>>62174964
>dear diary, its me, Slaanesh
>Khorne was plotting something with the raving despotic priest-king the golden treat's Imperium killed on earth
>Nathan Dune's soul isn't readily available, for whatever fucking reason, but the Taskmaster has an alternative all lined up
>And as usual, its related to greater control over the Eye of Terror, my beautiful domain
>His agent on that drearly little pebble in the gateway has made contact with a human warrior that can recognize true godhead, and she would bring him before me
>This pleases me, and for his prince of pleasure the Taskmaster makes it so, with my blessing unto her granted

yump

Just a crossover-y question: what would be Oscar's opinion or reaction upon coming face to face with a hero like Shepard or Master Chief? Would he see their struggle as any less?

>>62177044
honestly, yes, if I understand you. An Inquisitor and a Astartes commander, in his eyes. He'd appreciate their situations, but its a matter of a single campaigns against significant odds versus millenia of them. Not to say Oscar views the Imperium's struggle as his own, just that his evaluation would be that Master Chef and Shepard's problems would be within his power to sort out, and his own aren't.

>>62177044
>>62177300

Apart from the fact that the Imperium have guys like them to export.

"So you fight against some alien apocaliptic threat on your own? Good job son! take a lollipop".

John-117 look to Shepard, and behind then are a longggg line of guys waiting. An some of then, are rolling their eyes! They only are here to give a quick report, grab "their" lollipop, and run back to the front.

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So did we ever come up with names for not-Skarnsnikk and Luther's vassal forge world or were we just going to go with Skarsnikk? I know Kai was suggested for the Forge World but there was the issue of treading on the Kai guns origin (forge world gets stuck in a warp storm, pays Chaos forces off to not get attacked including cool guns).

Also does not-Skarsnikk have a Gobbla?

>>62179016
Skarsnikk seems fine enough, as does Kai-Dock as it's a starfort tier dockyard rather than a forgeworld.

>>62174816
Who is Nuffle?

>>62177673
It is a “Hero of the Imperium” lollipop, usually they’re handed out to Shola Prodegium kids that go on the tour of the imperial palace. A product of the palace kitchens and supposedly very tasty.

>>62177673
>>62181012
The weird part is that now I imagining this actually happening.

In a little corner of the Imperial Palace, there is this little office, that tracks all the "Heros of the Imperium" and after receiving enough medals/commendations/honors/whatever, their job is to send then something that genuinely they like. Like cookies do with grampa recipe or favorite hollos. Things that made then feel then again like a normal person. Beyond an Imperial reception, something that says "We care for you". That your name is passed is the recognition that the Imperium can`t do anything more to thank you.

Is to sugary? Because, the image of a Chapter Master, receiving a puppy that proceeds to lick the mangled face of the veteran commander is burned in my psyche now.

>>62180567
God of Blood Bowl in the Blood Bowl universe. In which Nuffle became more powerful than the Big Four due to everyone worshipping him through Blood Bowl and he made them sit down and behave.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nuffle

>Has rules but allows brutal cunning...I mean cheating.

He even sounds like an ork.

>>62181312
Space Marines in this AU usually have at least some sort of life. One of them given a little puppy (possibly made by the AdBio just for them) is not outside the realm of possibility.

>>62181782
So this is the name of the ork deamon-prince of Khorne that runs this thing? I like it. To make it as a ork with that name you know he's an 'ard git.

>>62181312
>>62182304

Ok, this is even weirder. Now, i imagining, the pup growing to Astartes equivalent zise(500Kg?). Then this monstruosity, attack a group of Administratum adepts, who barricade thenselves in their offices and cry...

"Why will do it! We promise!"

Then the CM call back the beast, who return happyly to play to some refugee children.

"And that kids, is who, we Astarters, resolve a refugee's crisis"

>>62183597
>>62181312
This isn't that weird, considering that Fenris Wolves are a thing.
I mean, that's weird for completely different reasons, but Space Marines getting puppies isn't as unimaginable as you'd think.

>>62175492
Would Nurgle and Tzneetch have equivalents? Humans they found amusing when they still had some novelty value.

>>62185311
N'kari and Bubonicus are both elevated humans from the Age of Strife (and from the same planet even). Tzeentchian M'kachen has been implied to be a daemonic Isaac Newton.

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>>62186016
The Tzeentchian M'Kar also needs some love, he could do with a better origin than being some literally who Horus Heresy-era Space Marine. Maybe something with a long-term body snatcher to fit with his moniker of Thriceborn. M'kar can be terrifying if written right as his incarnation as a living shadow chasing Ollanius Pius shows.

We also need more eldar daemon princes. I know Dechala and Shaha Gaathon were mentioned and we decided Doomrider was one but beyond that you'd think there would be more given the status of the Crone Eldar to the gods and the fact that 95% of them are on the Path to Glory.

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>>62187325
I'd keep Ollanius Pius as being as unremarkable as possible right up until he used a fuck huge ship to try and Glasgow Kiss the Beast's attack planet. He was the everyman doing his duty.

M'Kar could have been one of the Night Lords that was in it just for the shits and giggles, a real fuck up who ran around the underhives playing mind games on people that drew his attention, distorting their perceptions by manes both mundane and exotic, stalking them and appearing only in their peripheral vision, leaving signs of his presence and toying them for a good long while to the point of madness before cutting them up assuming they don't kill themselves first.

He's been doing this across the Imperium since then, he typically singles people out individually because it amuses him to do so although he can fuck with larger groups if he wants. He is quite a good combatant in a straight up fight as you would expect but it is not his area of expertise.

He's a nutter who thinks the Imperium is the set of his own ever lasting horror-holo and he puts such effort into setting the stage that Tzneetch adopted him and finds his antics quite amusing.

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A suggestion for the Barbarus revolts and the origins of Typhon.
I know that (IIRC) 8th edition came out and said that the Pale King and the Overlords of Barbarus were explicitly xenos, but I had always liked the suggestion that they were something like the Witch-King of Angmar, human psykers that through their power and devotion to the Chaos Gods had become something else, not a Daemon Prince in any sense but at the same time clearly not mortal. Something kind of like a Fury but with a little more power and self-determination (that being dependent, however, on the fact that they were still partly mortal). In canon that would have added some extra weight to Mortarion’s fear of psykers, seeing…this as what psykers would turn themselves into (both literally and morally) if given the chance.
Barbarus was ruled by psykers, but in this case psykers who blurred the lines between daemon and mortal, swooping from peak to peak remaining safe in the fog that no mortal could survive. Typhon was the village’s champion, a mere boy barely of age. He had no father, who had died years before in an attack by the planet’s half-mortal overlords. Such was the way of life on Barbarus. Eventually, however, you can only push people so far before they begin to push back. Villages on Barbarus began to receive shipments of strange weaponry from stranger sources, which they were told had the power to end the witch-king’s reign forever. The village smiths labored for a year and a day, making plate armor that was the best protection anyone on Barbarus knew how to make. The village bedecked him with warpaint and mystic charms, which were meant to give him good luck on his quest. The witch-kings paid little attention to this change in behavior, caring little about what the mundane humans did as long as the witch-kings could continue to raid.

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>>62188708
The Imperium’s idea had been to arm the oppressed villagers with weapons and have them fight alongside the 14th legion to retake their homeworld. The populace and would feel like they had contributed to the retaking of their world rather than some alien power swooping in and doing so and would be more receptive to Imperial rule rather than seeing themselves trade one tyrant for another. Unfortunately someone missed the memo and started distributing the weapons beforehand. Barbarus had no space flight technology, so the Imperium could have sat in orbit around the planet all day without repercussion, but Mortarion was late and someone went ahead of schedule anyway.

Mortarion’s ships arrive in the Barbarus system a week late, having been delayed by a battle in another system and the vagaries of Warp travel. When he finds out what happened he is furious, he didn’t care much about civilian casualties but the people of Barbarus are not capable of fighting the witch-kings on their own. With just the weapons the Imperium gave them they are going to be walking into a slaughter with the whole populace dying, and after screaming out everyone involved (whether they deserved it or not) takes his Death Guard and descends to the planet in drop pods.

Meanwhile Typhon and his warriors are marching up the slopes of the great mountains. They had managed to kill two of the witch-kings thus far, but already their advance had begun to slow. The witch-kings had united en masse against their assault, and his warriors were already beginning to succumb to the toxic fog as their rebreathers began to give out. It was a horrible melee, with the tide beginning to turn in favor of the witch-kings as warriors drop their blows or from noxious fumes. Even Typhon was beginning to falter. He can feel his limbs slow and his vision begin to blur. A witch-king stands over him, ready to deliver the finishing blow.

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>>62188731
Much as lasguns and flak armor are supposed to be as good as modern military gear (if lighter and cheaper) to show the scale of things in 40k, this shows the scale of what Chaos is capable of. These are furies. They are supposed to be at the bottom of the Chaotic food chain. And yet here they are winning against people with plate armor and close to modern weapons.

And then a drop pod crashes through the ceiling, crushing two of the witch-kings, and the door is kicked open. Everyone, witch-king and primitive warrior alike, are floored by the sight. Out strides the biggest human Typhon has ever seen, clad in a suit of power armor with red optics, a two handed sickle in his hands. The giant swings his scythe to drive back the abomination, and then and gives the harshest and most brusque pep talk possible.

“Get up boy. Do you really want to die here?”

Typhon struggles to his feet as more drop pods fall and more giants stream out, the members of the first giant’s “Death Guard”. He feels sick to his stomach but he stays by the giant’s side, determined to see things through. As he fights alongside the giant, Typhon observes Mortarion’s fighting, forces to learn or else be left behind. No surrender. No retreat. No backward step. Mortarion leaves with arcs of his scythe, leaving Typhon to deliver the killing blow with his more straightforward weapons. Eventually, all that is left is the Overlord of Barbarus, who retreated to the highest crag of the planet just out of reach. Typhon falls behind, his tortured body having finally reached his limits, but he stays conscious just long enough to watch Mortarion raise his scythe and take the head of the Overlord of Barbarus, the creature who had brought his people so much sorrow.

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>>62188758
And that’s when Typhon knew he wanted to fight and die for Mortarion.
As has been mentioned before, Typhon was a latent psyker. Indeed, that was the only reason Typhon even survived the events of Barbarus, he believed all the charms and totems of protection his people gave him really worked, which caused his powers to subconsciously ward him from the worst of the the toxic smog. He found out at some point in the Great Crusade, but never told Mortarion, for Mortarion hated all things psychic and would have considered it a betrayal of the highest magnitude. This, as we’ve mentioned, is at the core of the Templars’ hypocrisy towards psykers (though the Templars claim he doesn’t count and Typhon’s opinion was more “don’t use psychic powers on the battlefield and roll for Perils of the Warp in front of your battle brothers”). As we’ve said, the Templars are still massively bigoted against psykers. Not to “purge the unclean” levels and rejecting Navigators and Astropaths, but still massively bigoted (often in a “stay in the kitchen” kind of way).
Compared to Mortarion Typhon was a little bit more charismatic. Mortarion, as we’ve said, rubbed everyone the wrong way and though he cared for his men he rarely showed in it any conventional way. He was also a doer, not a thinker. Typhon, on the other hand, had a little bit more charisma (like in canon), which was why Typhon was the one to write “Crusading, The Templar Way” instead of Mortarion, and got other groups to follow the Templar movement (they would have to be other groups because the Templar flaunt the suggestions of the codex).
However, I’m not sure if this fits Mortarion’s character or not, seeing as he was said to be uncaring about civilian casualties. Plus even though we’ve mentioned the Barbarus Revolts were a thing (and I had been considering similar ideas as well), why would the Imperium not just send Astartes in and smash the place?

A modified version of the Throne before the Emperor to get it off the Notes page.

https://pastebin.com/K9TSYYvi

Maybe add a bit about how the Warlord got the throne (which was a DaoT relict nobody knew what it was for) from the Last Despot's stockpile and made it a sword in the stone and a symbol so people would stop asking him to take charge.

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>>62189731

And also a piece on blanks, combining what was talked about with the contradictory information in canon with how they work.

https://pastebin.com/hGjXBsLF

Believe it or not collars that turn off blank auras exist in canon. I'm going to assume they were a recent invention and not common so as to increase the "dark" part of nobledark.

Spear I'm thinking of as this edgy blank psycho. He's the blacksoul in canon that had a daemon bound in his skin (really...not making it up, nor making the obvious Linkin Park joke). He might be one of the first blanks the Imperium found. Its another example of being Jenetia Krole is suffering. Finally Krole has found another person she can be around without going mad...and he's a complete nutjob.

Could use a section on the modern Sisters of Silence and the Silent Men.

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>Odd Inquisitor experiences that actually happened, but nobody will ever believe you

Oh good shit. I've been missing out on the nobledark goodness. Need to think of a good topic to tackle/address. Though I'm a bit behind on the current discussions.

>>62188220
Absolutely second Pius the everyman. It's that simplicity that makes his legend one of the greatest in the Imperium's history. Literally any asshat can cowboy up and give their life for the home front so hard that the greatest tangible threat to said home literally implodes from the sheer audacity of it, combined with many explosions magnified a thousand fold.

>>62193786
Vandire's illustrious career as a statesman and later-day primarch, the travels of Por'o M'arc, the few improvements to the current day Savlar system as opposed to how it was when the Imperium found it, there's plenty more

bump

>>62188787
This is great stuff and it fits what has already been written about The Pilgrim perfectly.

I've got some writefagging to do if this thread survives until I get back from work.

How was Fyodor's reign as High Lord Inquisitorial Representative?

Whát about illuminor szeras ? Anybody intended to do sth about him now ? He pretty fucked up in canon

Necrons need some love guys. There are still few untouched characters about them. Btw how fulgrimfag doing.

>>62189731
Other than it being the Civil War rather than The Age of Apostasy it's pretty perfect.

Does beklador know about the Blackstone fortress the imperial holding? Does he have a plan for it?

>>62195968
At this point, I'd say Imperial presence on said Blackstone Fortress is just too strong for him to have any real plans for it. For all his power, he's still just one demon who hates accepting help from others, and the Imperium has one of their greatest assets geared up and prepared to repel a full-on Chaos assault. The odds of him getting his hand on their Blackstone Fortress are slim to none.

Question: Limited warfare between planet-bound powers is a thing, isn`t it?

I mean if they don`t scam in the tithe or go beyond the pale(Respecting the rules of war, no atrocities, no chaos) two nations can go to war, whithout the Imperium intervention. I don`t talking shadow wars, i mean full blow war.

>>62197025
In theory no. In practice such wars are often over before an Imperial response is gathered. Once the war is over and if everything is stable by the time the inspectors come around nobody cares. Yes they would rather you didn't do it but they aren't going to add further instability by attacking the victor.

If it can be framed as a "contest" then you might be able to get away with it better if the Arbiters have a lot on their plate and as such are willing to pretend that they believe you. Krieg uses war as a training exercise for example and although nobody is happy about it nobody stops them and Fenrisians consider ritual to the death combat a viable method of settling disputes.

>>62197025
>>62197458

So... Any clonflict must be low-intensite, with a lot of comando/guerrilla/terrorism-like action. Sponsored Necromunda-like gang-war can be easely justificated. As best, any open-warfare must be a blitzkrieg gamble. Or win in the first blow or suffer the consequences...

Hm... Thinking in the scale of a hyve. Sponsored Gang war can be trully astonishing, with gang-armys conquering entire sectors.

Something like this?

Had a shitpost idea. It was that oscar really like grooming his 'even more fabulous Conan the barbarian' hair. In fact, his hair is actually more beautiful than Isha hai but she won't admit it because women pride.

>>62197769
So long as nothing truly monstrous has been done, the noise is all over before the Imperium has to notice, the winners aren't doing anything unreasonable to the losers and, most importantly, removing the winners would cause more unrest than leaving them in place then you can get away with it.The

On the less than planetary scale one nation fighting nation is low level unga bunga tribal shit and one tribe is pretty much the same as the other. Just don't do it when anyone is looking.

Now if Chaos gets involved in the proceedings then the hammer comes down regardless.

>>62198128

Please this is WH40K... There must be a secret competition to see, who has the most fabulous hair... Of course the winner is going to end summoning a daemon of slaanesh... but the the risk is worth it.

Why ? Because his hair was too fabulous for her to handle.

Hey, here a question. Who ha the most beautiful hair ? Sanginius or oscar.

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>Promised an update two threads/weeks ago
>still haven't finished working on the update
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Why school gotta do me like this? I swear I'm not dead, just dealing with massive piles of paperwork that have cut into my writing time. I apologize.

It's nice to see the story for the dry-dock that produces Murder-class cruisers get some discussion last thread. Hopefully I can actually finish this battle-writeup sometime before the year is out.

>>62200425
I know that feel. Oh Hell I know th feel.

bump

>>62172999
What else can we add to the mad old bitch?

>>62200425

I feel your suffering

>>62195473
Was he ever in the Big Chair? If so probably not a great time for anyone involved. Thankfully Inquisitorial Representative is possibility the least powerful of the High Lords as they represent rather than dictate.

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The joke here is obvious in canon 40k, but for Nobledark there's probably a rather amusing series of events that lead to this particular exchange.
>"For fuck's sake Andrew, stop being so insecure about your feelings and commit! You're a space marine, not a damned servitor, and your angsting has been disturbing the crew and overworking the Gellar generators with all the ''perkele'' you're drawing in!"

>>62203989
>Oscar, having tried all more subtle methods and failed due to Andrew having a skull thicker than Neutronium, opts for a more direct approach

>>62203845
During the 12th Black Crusade. He got shit done and not in a good way. He was just barely tolerated because the 12th Black Crusade was a time of equally bad options and Fyodor got results, dsspite being distasteful.

>>62205008
At wahat point in his history should his monodominant leanings start? If he adopted such views from his former master then the two monoddominants names on the Lexicanum are

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyrus

and

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emil_Darkhammer

The latter is good as he was/is the rival of Helynna Valeria who may very well be the next representative.

Also is 10 years too short for the position of representative? I know it has to be short enough to minimize influence peddling and stop power blocs forming but it also has to be long enough to get things done and mean something.

>>62205887
Nah, ten years is fine; that's how long the Inquisitorial representative gets to hold their position among the Lords of Terra before getting replaced by a different Inquisitor.

>>62207439

Besides, that was how long he needed to install some of his lackeys for the Coup, wasn't it?

>>62205887
Emil's backstory was elaborated on in thread 40. Needs to go on the wiki. He ran "detention centers" to sort out genestealers and Chaos thralls that just happened to contain only xenos and human citizens who tried to stick up for them. He was very effective at finding genestealers and the like (mostly because he just killed them all and let Quolious sort them out), but just seeing the heavily redacted versions of his methods led seversl Inquisitor Lords to tell him to knock it off. So he becomes Fyodor's thug, because it allows him to persue his monodominant leanings and get praised for it. Still doing his thing ruining Valeria's work like in canon because he believes mankind needs no help to stand on its own and Valeria is going to wake up some xenos monstrosity that will kill them all.

The Administratum had a fit when they found out someone was altering Emil's records from something distasteful but necessary to something clearly over the line, but they don't know who did it.

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>>62173102
???

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>>62208634

>>62208552
I like it

Has anything done about aspect warriors yet ? Need more codex entries.

Nobledark reri hesperiax vs primaris psiker + scions.

>>62212381
Nothing very much beyond the Phoenix Lords.

>>62192832
Inqusitor Coteaz maintains a belief that the Jokaero are planning something and that they are secretly organized. The Jokaero seem to only value fruit, consider a rubber wheel hanging by rope from a tree to be the height of entertainment and run away from loud noises. If it wasn't for their technical skills they would be considered wildlife. They are absolutely not capable of organization or forward planning.

>>62197769

Now I'm imagining how large organized Crime Syndicates are in this setting and what they trade in. I can easily see the largest syndicates controlling entire sectors with influence across the entire galaxy.

So long as things don't get too out of hand no one cares I think here.

Speaking of which what would an interstellar cartel operate here with?

>>62214231
He also gets made fun of for being the Jane Goodall of the Inqusition, despite the fact that his interest is in xenotech and you have to know how to wrangle Jokaero to study their tech.

He also has a bunch of kinebrach in his retinue because of his interest in their raygun gothic style technology, but they get insulted if you compare them to Jokaero. The kinebrach are paid to be there, for one. And they point out if you are going to talk about a "barrel full of monkeys", you'd need to add the humans in the retinue into that number.

>>62214578

There isn´t much difference with real-life, but with bolter guns and spacechips. There exist rogue navigator house that serve them but controlling a sector? Tricky. Like in real-life their perceived power is greated than the reality. They know that survival depend to not rock the boat and draw the atention of the Arbites or God No! the Inquisition.

>>62214578
>>62215069
On the other hand, that dependence on not rocking the boat cuts both ways- in the more backworld sectors where worlds are prone to rebellion and internal conflicts, the Imperium is more willing to tolerate large criminal organizations because those organizations are very reliant on the Imperium's status quo in order to stay profitable- smuggling in contrabrand is only profitable when the populace has money to buy it, after all.
There's been more than one instance of a particularly powerful and well-organized crime boss actually being legitimatized by the Imperium due to their particular brand of regulating actually somewhat stabilizing worlds the Imperium might have otherwise written off or sent in the Guard. Of course, there's some requirements for the boss beyond just getting the world under control- the ones that get legit tend to be Al Capone-like figures, the ones who are willing to spend their ill-gotten gains building hospitals or paying the medical bills of a civilian that got caught in the crossfire of one of their shootouts. This generally isn't too much of a problem, as the type of person it takes to stabilize worlds like that generally has to be charismatic and at least somewhat interested in the well-being of the planet's residents.

>>62215206
>>62215069
One of the big exceptions is the Squat Maffia. They operate across the entire hub galactic region.

>>62215206
They also serve a purpose for the Night Lords. Some make a good recruitment and supply base, some make good training exercises.

How far have the Tua spread westward?

>>62215206
So, in other words, the Imperium is willing to tolerate the yakuza or mafia but not more disorganized and disruptive crime syndicates.

>>62215069
I can see that. Rogue Traders in nobledark have been known to bribe people to keep certain planets off the maps to use as their own private fiefdoms.

>>62218430
The empire not that far. Water caste missionaries and diplomats and fire caste hunter cadres have been sent everywhere (read: this is how the Tau can get involved in things despite their center of power being in the Segmentum Ultima).

>>62219416
If an Rogue Traders set up a private colony would it have to pay tithe?

>>62220734

Of course, there would be always a (long enough) grace period that makes colonizing it worth it, but after that, tithe as normal.

>>62221420

Can you imagine the sort of adventures a Administratun accountant have the potential to live? I mean yeah, most of them will have a pretty normal life, but investigate accounts of a Rogue Trader can be pretty life-threating. This guys can have assigned with then retinues on par with a Inquisitor or a even full-fledge regiments!

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>>62220734
What tithe? You don't have to pay tithe for a planet that isn't on the Imperium's records.

>>62221505
Was going to write a quote pointing how how dangerous the Administratum can be when the biggest crux in the galaxy functioning is how fast you can get something distributed somewhere. There's a reason for 160 years the most terrifying person in the Imperium was an Administratum adept.

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>>62171748
>WHAT WE NEED:
>More stories or codex entries for Nobledark Imperium. Anything that gets stuff off of the Notes page or floating around in space and into concrete codex entries would be appreciated.

Here, have some OC
https://www.deviantart.com/voiceofrob/art/Scraping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel-part-1-728147348

Nobledark penal legion story

Short enough and a good read

I like this rewrite. Might use it for a wh40K game if I could ever get it going someday.

So I've been reading some of what's there. If some of the xeno races are now part of the Imperium, Tau/Eldar, wouldn't the better tech be shared across it? Or is this a example of 'we're part of your club, but we're keeping our toys' kind of deal?

>>62225867
>Part of the Imperium
More like a loose and shaky alliance that will be dropped the second the black crusade is over

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>>62225867
Yeah, that's one of the points of this setting; humanity took it's time reclaiming the stars and willingly integrated other races, so while the tech-levels didn't quite reach the same highs as they did in canon pre-heresy, they didn't drop as low when the big disaster hit- in this setting's case, the War of the Beast rather than a heresy, though it was still the same event where lots of Space Marines turned traitor- it's just that no one legion fell entirely to Chaos, but each legion had at least some portion of their membership go traitor. The default comparison made is that in canon, jetbikes where available pre-heresy but are practically nonexistent for the Imperium by the time of "current" 40k, whereas in this setting jetbikes are still around, if expensive as fuck.

On the other hand, the Mechanicus is still around, still has a monopoly on the majority of Forge-worlds, and are still flipping out about the Dragon they've got chained up in the basement- which they've kept a secret from everybody else. They're not quite as restrictive as canon, though that's less due to willingness than it is the Imperium not letting them dictate rules to Xenos or Survivor civilizations like Ultramar, meaning they've got competition and need to innovate at least a little to keep up. Still, they'd happily revert to canon-level restrictions if they could, and will basically boycott anyone who doesn't follow their rules, so it's only the big civilizations like Ultramar and the Hubworlders that can afford to do their own thing. In other words, mixing and matching tech certainly happens, but it's not common- the average joe is still stuck with Mechanicum-approved junk.
>>62226237
This is the nobledark rewrite, not canon, so no, the parties involved aren't planning to backstab each other in the end because of Grimdark. Part of the point of the setting is that everybody got beat over the head with the common-sense stick - good guys and bad guys alike.

>>62225867
Humanity gets most of its tech support from the AdMech who don't like the idea of humanity depending on any source of technology that isn't them. You can tell them to piss off but they'll respond by boycotting your planet and since they control 90% of all manufacturing you're probably screwed. It doesn't help that even the upper levels of the Imperium default to the AdMech when they want something looked at.

Indeed the AdMech's dream is to be better all technology, including eldar and tau technology, than the races who invented them. It's a pipe dream that will probably never happen, especially as they consider bonesingers as about as close to Satanists as you can get. They're also bitter about being the only major tech producer with a Void Dragon-shaped ball-and-chain around their ankle.

That said, there are a surprisingly large number of "coincidental" rediscoveries of tech that look a lot like xenotech.

The Survivor Civs have more latitude because many of them have their own manufacturing base, and Hubworld League and Interex are actually local-level competitors with the AdMech. Ultramar invites other groups to come in and has even gotten the designs for the Tau drive from the Tau, that region of Ultima is about the only place that does have it at the moment due to speed of dissemination.

>>62226237
>>62227065
There is a grain of truth in it, in that people have been willing to bite their tongue on a lot more than they normally would due to the threats out there. There is this constant sword of Damocles over peoples' heads, in that if they can't find a way to at least agree to disagree and go their separate ways they become easy targets for Brain Boy WAAAGH!s, Necrons, tyranids, the Dark Eldar and most importantly the Crones, who just love to inflict spite and torment and have ears everywhere.

Case in point some craftworlds considered leaving due to Oscar (and by extension, humanity) being willing to parley with the Star Empire. Talk abruptly stopped when Brain Boyz were realized to be a thing.

In a hypothetical Chaos, Necron, and tyranid-free future, many groups might be confident enough want to go their seperate ways, assuming they can still remain friends. But that may lead to diplomatic breakdown, etc., and a new war, albeit with the lines drawn in weird places (Silver Skulls siding with eldar, Saim-Hann and Fenris having each other's back, Tau and Ultramar).

>>62227593
One thing we've really emphasized in this setting is the uncaring nature of the universe and the effect of entropy/time. As in, "even Cthulhu eventually dies cold, alone, and forgotten" kind of cosmic horror. Nothing lasts forever. Not gods (Malal, Asuryan, Qah, and Lileath say hello), not empires, nothing. As another point, look at the Old Eldar Empire's slow decay from the young, idealistic race dedicated to the Old Ones' ideals of preserving life to...the Fall. The Imperium will eventually be destroyed, even if it's due to the heat death of the universe.

>>62227593
In a hypothetical Chaos, Necron, ork, and tyranid-free future Emperor might not be bothered by the breakup of the Imperium. He and Malcador set up the early Imperium as a means or protecting people from Chaos and other nasty shit back when it was just a collection of nation states on Old Earth. Then it started to snowball.

A future free of threats is a future that doesn't need an Imperium. The Imperium would have completed it's mission and so would Oscar. Imperium and Oscar can both stand down.

Also in such a future the Impossible Child would have been born. Human and eldar might not be separate species.

>>62227593
Emperor and Isha love each other. They have the occasional tiff but ultimately they will keep the Imperium together.

>>62229727

Yes and No. If Isha has his way, they will ascend to form a new pantheon, at that point the Imperium will have accomplished it objective. Beyond that, the survival of the Imperium is irrelevant, and indeed in the "now", is showering signals of decadence.

A full-fledge civil war... Hm... Nope, but fragmentation, conbined with interfaction war and some galactic decadence... Yes. Oscar will limit the damage, but the countdown to the fall is more of less invetable.

>>62227065
>>62227163

Thank you for the responses. I'm not as verse in canon WH40K lore outside of the early rts games, but this has certainty peeked me interest and I'll definitely be reading more here.

>>62229856
All empires fail in time if you are prepared to wait for an insane amount of time. It's like with Castro, you can poison his brandy, put explosives in his cigars, hire goons to try and shoot him, botch a military invasion, siege the island for years but ultimately operation "wait half a century for him to die of natural causes" was successful.

Imperium doesn't need to survive forever, it just has to survive long enough to eliminate the threats to the survival of the civilized people. Once the 'nids are all dead, the Necrons dealt with, the orks supressed and Chaos reduced to manageable levels Imperial survival isn't as huge of a concern. It was founded to keep people safe, it will have done that.

Maybe in some distant future another massive threat will arise; maybe more 'Nid's coming from a different direction, maybe a Chaos resurgence, maybe orks build up in secret and get Brain Boyz on the quiet and rise up before any one realizes. Oscar is clinically immortal and so is his wife, they will be there to unite and reform the Imperium again should they feel it necessary.

>>62221505
Investigating the financial irregularities of high-mortality citizens such as planetary governors and Rogue Traders, especially in cases where adepts and scribes have previously had "accidents", would be turned over to the Dark Clerks and Grim Statisticians.

>>62230956

Dark Clerk:So.. let`s see... Hm... 100K tons of promethium?

Acolite:Well... It was the only form to be sure, that the cult temple were conveniently purged.

Dark clerk:Understandable... Hm... destruction of a transport?

Acolite:The daemon was half-formed and it was the only thing big enought to damage it.

Dark clerk:Sad, but necesary... You have rob a hotel's towel!

Acolite:Ups!

>>62231220
Exactly. The needless theft of hotel towels would be a mark against them but a minor one to be measured against the benefit they have been and the estimated benefit that they will be to the Imperium and it's people. Of course the Dark Clerks are only brought out if there is a suspected reason for them to take an interest. It's no that the towels are valuable, it is that the reputation of the Inquisition is more so. But it's only towels, so it would only be added to the charge sheet for the sake of completeness only if there is already considerable already on the sheet and it's execution time regardless.

Dark Clerks and Grim Statisticians do have a license to kill, signed in triplicate.

>>62227699
Malal is still alive. He's in a job he hates for a boss he hates but he's alive.

>>62188220
M'Kar is Jigsaw + Freddy Kruger now? I can dig it.

Tzneetch might have blessed him with deamonhood but Nurgle and Slaanesh also supply him a bit of warp-juice as his antics do them no harm at all. M'Kar is in effect 80% Big Bird, 15% Slaanesh and 5% Nurgle because Nurgle is lazy as fuck by nature and won't do anything if there is the option of not doing it but would like to make it look like he's doing something to encourage others to do shit for him anyway. He's fooling nobody but it works and caring about what others thing is also against his nature.

Unlike most Deamon-Princes that arise from The Fallen he has not particular fondness for attacking his old Legion. Not because he has any fondness for them, fuck no, but simply because attacking a bunch of mind-wiped fanatics with limited emotional range isn't as satisfying at going after civilians.

>>62230112
Horus predicted this. Not sure what the Sons of Horus would think about this.

>>62234718
>We told you so, fellow Men of Stone
>enjoy your weird adaptations
>and buy some merch while you're here

>>62234916
>le_happy_void_born.holo
Is a thing in this AU.

>>62231818
The Grim Statisticians know the value of life, often to the penny.

>>62190738
That is great stuff. Do the others in the Silent King's court know about this?

>>62227593
Still, if nothing else the Imperium would likely cease to exist as a matter of countless small fractures and gradual shifts in the political landscape, rather than a single catastrophic collapse. Several dozen factions would spring up and likely fight each other over things, but there would at the very least be lines of communication between the groups, and some form of understanding that if something like Chaos or the Tyranids sprung up again, their disputes would need to get set aside until the threat was dealt with.

Of course, the assumption of a Chaos-free or Tyranid-free future is a long shot at best. You can't permanently kill daemons after all, and the Tyranids may have several galaxy's worth of biomass to burn through.

>>62237659
Probably. They know it's weird that a mothballed Necrontyr science project somehow turned up in another species in the years that they slept, but they might not know it's the Deceiver's doing.

>>62231818
>>62236542
Somehow this makes the Administratum even more hilarious. Like if James Bond was an IRS agent.

>>62234718
It's how Horus rolls. The one thing most humans forget to add to their calculations is inertia and entropy. The Void Born are all about going with the flow and using it to your advantage, which is why Horus' vision is more likely to be the end result than Oscar's.

>>62239637
With enough time Horus and Oscar's visions were not entirely mutually exclusive.

Also as promiced although extremely fucking late and probably not worth the wait

https://pastebin.com/GmPepFUX

Féin-Cineál

>>62221505
Assassins must be fun to deal with in this capacity.

>>62229856
>>62230112
>>62238762
As the guy who wrote the post-M41 story The Stranger, that's something I was implying but never elaborated on with Hive Fleet Enkidu.

Lofn's powers work by suppressing the emotional response in people and causing them to act less irrational and more calm. At some point while she's Lone Wolf and Cub-ing it with Obyron, she cuts off a chunk of the Hive Fleet from the Hive Mind via this and by separating them from the Hive Mind's hunger gives them back some sense of individuality (hence the symbolism behind Enkidu).

Hive Fleet Enkidu is kind of geth-ish. True Neutral, they don't get other lifeforms, and they're trying to figure out what they are in the absence of the Hive Mind and the eternal consumption. Strangely naive but do fuck people up who they think seek to harm them (and their definition is a little off). Thankfully for everyone they've been content to go build their own little home in what used to be the Ghoul Stars.

The Zoats are not happy about this. They exist to kill every tyranid, regardless of whether they have a change of heart. The Zoats have currently been willing to stay on the diametric opposite of the galaxy away from them, but everyone knows it's only a matter of time before the two go to war and potentially mess everything up.

>>62242414
It would at least explain where she got that pet on her shoulder.

>>62225867
>>62227163
>>62229881
IIRC, wrt Imperial tech levels, I think it's generally been accepted that while xenotech (and AdMech 'discoveries' that look suspiciously like it) is superior to general Imperial tech, the latter has the advantage of being extremely easy to obtain and maintain, so while a Shas'O might not drive around in a Leman Russ, nor a Bonesinger need a manufactorum to make anything, the Shas'O would have a laspistol as a backup, and the Bonesinger's home is full of Imperial-built appliances because FUCK molding a toaster out of psychic energies.

>>62245128
Also fringe heretek (but not hereodox) groups.

>>62240053
>https://pastebin.com/GmPepFUX
It's fair good. Seems a bit rushed at the end though. Also should have mentioned the founder dying rather than just that she had died previously.

>>62245128
Another consequence, is that people is less superstitious about High-tech. The other producers, can point all the non-sense in the Admech religion, so people is better educated and don´t go praying to toasters. They continue doing it, but more as respect to the Omnisiah, that because they think is really needed. Reclaimators and technomats, will continue working as always, but people has at least some technical knowledge, in place of rote pseudo-religious practice.

>>62234916
>>62234916
I like the fact that the Tomb of Horus is empty and the Sons of Horus know it and whilst they haven't made it a secret as such they also haven't advertised it because of dem mad tourist bux. Void Born typically recycle the dead, but not the greatest of them. The heroes of their legends are fired out of the magnetic accelerator cannon found on their best warships at relativistic speeds towards a Black Hole. It is an ancient tradition of the space farers that the greatest of them are buried at C.

>>62217769
That's potentially pretty grim

>>62242414
>Hive Fleet Enkidu
How individual/intelligent would the constituent parts be?

How would they structure their society?

>>62227065
>the parties involved aren't planning to backstab each other in the end because of Grimdark
Also because Beil-Tan and possibly others consider the Imperium to be a direct and unbroken continuation of the Eldar Empire. Consider that The Laughing God and his traveling Dark Carnival travel through it like they did the Old Empire, Isha is the Empress and more or less all of the uncorrupted eldar live under it's protection. Eldar Empire never fell, it's just got a lot of humans living in it now.

Also bar Eldrad and Macha there are no living eldar in the Imperium who can remember a time without the Imperium. They are Imperial Eldar, it's their empire because they were born in it, they have done their military service in it, they have killed and bled for it and they work and pay their taxes for it. Telling them to leave it after investing so much in it will get you a slap and High Tongue curse words. Add to this that many served alongside non-eldar with whom they fought alongside and who they mutually owe their lives to and humans aren't really mon-keigh anymore.

>>62245303
We still need more of these factions fleshed out. If for nothing else but to hear the potential REEEEEEEEEEEEE feedback on the Olympus Mons Brotherhood's vox sets.

>>62248777

Eldar:You call yourself a soldier, mon-keight! This is the Eldar Empire! I am only letting you fight in my army!
Guardsman:Ok Ok You can charge with us against the Chaos fortifications!

Ok, one idea a for a posible faction in the imperium are, those cults, that whithout being part of the Admech, follow the Omnisiah doctrine. This put nervous, the guardians, that see then as the dragon's tools. The catch is that the Admech can't just purgue them, and indeed some can end being a distinctive sect of the Omnisiah's church, but in the other hand, this groups can end as tolerated hereteks, that shield under the religious tolerance laws to work for more than resentful groups.

>>62248777
Except Dorhai and Kaelor. But Biel-Tan probably would consider them corrupted as the former tried to kill Jubbowski and almost got a holy war declared on them, and the latter are Old Empire wannabes who violated one of the core morals of the eldar (no throwing another eldar under the bus for your own gain). Of course that goes out the window for the Crones and Dark Eldar, but morals were never their strong suit anyway.

>mon-keigh
I had always had this idea that starting about M37, the eldar start referring to humanity by a term which loosely translates to man-children. One of the big themes of 40k is humanity is not a young up and comer like in most sci-fi settings (that's the Tau's spot), but is one of the elder races of the galaxy. We aren't children of the Old Ones but we're not young either. And yet we act more like some young race than settling down and developing the maturity of an elder species. By galactic standards we're a grown adult collecting action figures and watching cartoons. It's a backhanded compliment, saying we aren't horrible monsters like the Mon-Keigh but we need to start acting our age. Because most eldar never like to admit something positive about someone else.

>>62249693
We'd also be called that because we don't live long enough to be considered to be anything other than almost children. Eldar become physically mature at not much slower than human time, they are declared legally adults at ~50 depending on location (Ulthwe it's 40 because war society) and humanity typically start falling apart at this point. Eldar aren't considered mature and sensible until they're ~200 by which point a human is typically dead twice over by time.

Humans doing Rejuvenants are better respected because they typically have the years to not be children dressing up as grown ups.

>>62171748
>OP pic
I kind of want to do a 40k/Shadowrun crossover campaign now.

>>62250153

There is a planet called Kiavahr, that is esencially shadowrun earth. So... Why not? But remember, that shadowrunners must be a lot more carefull. In this settings are things that laught at a cyberzombie(Something, really, really, illegal).

>>62250338
Which horror are you referring to? Also there are enough perfectly legal monsters if you're annoying enough, on a big enough scale to enough of the right people.

Also the Raven Guard set up a base there. If you fuck up the plebs enough you get the honour of helping their new recruits with their training. Raven Guard get really grumpy if you fuck with their plebs.

>>62251429

A cyberzombie si esencially a vanilla servitor animated via magic. Here, can come in two variants:
Vanilla:Really illegal
Dark.mechanicum:Call the Inquisition!

That is the reason mercenaries in a shadow war must be carefull. The Imperium in this AU isn't a distopic nightmare. The powers-that-be can permit some local mayhem, but if the comfliv begin to exced some limits... Well, red samurays will shit themselves when a Eversor apear in their mist.

>>62251429
>Which horror are you referring to?
Not that guy but C'tan vampires, wyverns, Maerorus, all come to mind in addition to the canon genestealer cults and Chaos cults. Wyverns are as dumb as a sack of bricks but if left to feed have been known to despoil Necron dynasties. C'tan vampires you really need to make sure to kill early before they hit Dracula Armstrong levels (which admittedly there aren't many of). Maerorus? It is a really good thing they can't cooperate/

>>62245128
The AdMech also potentially have a much higher power cap than most factions because of their fetish for archaeology. So while the average AdMech tech is lower than, say, the Tau, they have super advanced stuff in their basement that they have only a few of and know how to work like the automated kill-ships, the psi-disruptor, etc.

>>62251832
Reminder that there was that one time the Prophet of Cogs raised legions of zombie Men of Iron from the dead to try to conquer Mars.

>>62245128
I would say there is still some pseudo-religion aspect to it. Keep in mind that when most people have a tech question they go to the AdMech for advice. It would be like a philosopher describing how to predict the motion of stars in Ptolemaic terms. It's technically correct in that it works, but as external observers we know the theory behind it is wrong. People tend to go with the AdMech's view (though not as toaster-fetishy) because they seem to know what they are talking about. Some people who know a bit more might question some things, but hey, the AdMech are the people who know technology. The Emperor and groups like Interex, Hubworlders might think otherwise, but they have neither the time nor inclination to tell this to everyone in the Imperium.

And then you have the cases where the machine spirits are very real and praying to them is a good idea, like land raiders and titans, which would support the Mechanicus' interpretation. If a titan has a (very, very real) machine spirit, it makes the average person think what about a Leman Russ? Or a plasma gun? Though whether something is a quasi-A.I. formed from neural cogitators, psychic gestalt formed through belief, or simply coincidence that makes it look like it has a mind of its own is often difficult to determine.

Especially given that it's been implied here on some level machine spirit and silica animus might be the exact same thing with an arbitrary terminological difference, at least when talking about DaoT designs. For all we know the Mechanicum's ban on a sentience without a soul could descend from an old DaoT ruling of "don't make robots without souls, they turn into genocidal sociopaths".

>>62251850
It's not that the Ad-Mechs stuff is lower tech than the Tau. It isn't. It's just that the Tau can mass produce all of their stuff whereas the AdMech have to hand build their best toys. You can get better performance from the AdMech than any competitor within the Imperium (bar maybe the eldar in some regards but you have to be psychic to use most of their stuff) but you will be paying through the nose for it.

>>62246298
>buried at C.
I C what you did there you cheeky cunt.

>>62249693
>>62250121
Men of Stone, even on primitive worlds, can live almost a century, with rare specimens living for multiple centuries and siring massive families even without rejuveants, these exceptions appearing in numerous histories, all pertaining to a sort of permanent legacy. With further technologies recalled from their former Great and Bountiful Dominion, humans can live for small spans of millennia, and far beyond that by a myriad means their vaunted institutions forbid. Magnus, the Gorgon, and Vulcan, Primarchas all, their ends were the ends of the Imperium's longest lives, the death of its longest era. Lore-master, orderer, binder of Chaos and cog-priest, shorn of weak flesh to the last samples of human tissue enthroned in metal, passed beyond Imperial art to preserve them, barely old enough for the Eldar courtiers of their 'empire' to commemorate them as accomplished in their tragically brief lives. Even the holy man, preaching his fire and brimstone and hoisted high upon the pulpit, flesh alloyed with gold and anointed in promethium, sputtered out, not to be rekindled by his phantom of a god, or the Golden Man that proposed to share its blood with him so long ago. Away have all the greatest humans passed from the Imperium, earlier or later, into death and away from humanity, taken forever by mortality. Or by immortality. I and our long awaited Emperor in Sol will agree on only this, that to be Men of Stone is to be mortal. To be worn down by ages in little time is their essential lot, by fae vigor or cold iron or imperishable gold, all that does not is not a Man of Stone, cannot be. It gives him worry still, I suspect, but oh, such is his way.
-Lucius the Eternal, some time after the coronation

>>62253762
Damn, finally some Lucius the Uber-Vamp action. And it looks great.

>>62253762
Where would this go on the wiki?

Came up with an idea regarding the half-eldar.

It's already been established they're super fucking rare, the LIIVIxTaldeer case being the notorious one, and that they represent the future of the Mankind-Eldar union.

That in mind, I concluded: the Ruinous Powers, and consequently Chaos Eldar, must covet them like a 19th-century prospector covets gold. They would dispatch special forces, like the kind of noone else has, to get the kids and bring them to the EoT. Corrupting those kids would mean corrupting, not only symbolically, the future of the Imperium.

And with the new spin Ynnead gained in this AU, I also imagined the half-eldar having exceptional kind of power. Yes, they would be snowflakish.

Any thoughts?

>>62257040
Most of what you say is correct, but kind of gets hamstrung by one singular issue.
They're not super fucking rare. They're completely unprecedented. LIIVIxTaldeer is a big deal because it's the absolute first time this has happened; the second time is going to be Ynnead. Or the Starchild; or maybe it's just going to be some completely unrelated godlike being; the prophecies about it are so varied and contradictory that the only thing agreed upon is that upon their birth, shit's gonna go down.

>>62257135
I had that in mind, just put how things (as imagined, ofc) are going to work out when their presence is perceived.

It will mark a new age for the Imperium (and the galaxy?), and Chaos will go through pains to snuff this 'hope' before endangers it's existence.

>>62257040
>>62257135
>>62257376
It's been mentioned the downside to the barriers between species eroding is the Crones using humans to mass produce Daemonculaba and using them to breed an army of half-eldar. Good enough to make for a superior breed of cannom fodder, but cheaper and easier to breed. Right now they have to make do with kidnapping eldar women and leaving changelings in their place. Not to say that they haven't tried with humans. They have, but it's never worked, but the suffering is delicious enough for them to try again.

>>62247557
I was thinking that the individual minds are capable of putting themselves in different bodies. A carnifex can remanifest itself as a lictor as a hormagaunt, their mind transfering as their flesh is recycled. Which means they don't care too much about personal injury as they can assume the body can just be reconstituted. As for society, they don't know what they are. They know what the collective consciousness thinks, but at the same time their opinion is not always the same as the hive mind. Like if a human had a perpetual connection to the Internet and public opinion. It confuses the hell out of everyone, including them, and they are trying to figure out how much of them is collective consciousness and how much is their own thoughts.

Of course, this is all post-M41 stuff, so it's just one possible headcanon at this point.

bump

>>62259204

So what would the Yakuza look like in this Imperium if it existed throughout the entire galaxy? In this case imagine it as the largest organized crime organization there is.

What are their resources?

>>62259327
Well it used to be vast and powerful...

until Kiryu happened.

>>62259327
They know not to try counterfeiting

>>62259327
Resources would not be evenly spread due to travel times and cost of transport.

>>62259418
Or dabbling in Chaos

>>62259713

People are stupid, that is a universal constant. Maibe most criminal groups don`t want to dabbler on chaos artifacts smuggling, but indudablely some guy will do regardless the consequences. Aditionally, cold trade(smuggling of xeno-tech) is a reallity in vanilla, as this is a posibility of indirect chaos-corruption, but probably looked more "secured", the trafic to proscribed xeno-horribiles tech is a reallity. That whithout counting a lot of "legal" high-level warp-tech that can only used by the Imperium higher-ups.

>>62259915
There could still be smuggling of mundane and safe xenotech. AdMech could have far reaching and strict exclusivity agreements with the local government and people want other things. The answer is buying it in secret from slightly shady men.

>>62260324

Yeah, and in itself is dangerous. A lot of high-tech in WH is warp-fueled, and there is a reason, only sanctioned people use it.

>>62253762
I like it. It shows the monstrous pride of Lucius that he seems to no longer considers these people his own kind whilst at the same time not considering those that came after to be anything but pale imitations of the generation that spawned him. In his mind he points out the imagined hypocrisies of the Imperium whilst he himself is worse and has done worse.

>>62251926
Hubworlders do worship the Omnissiah and their worship of it is as old as that of Mars in that it started in the Age of Strife, they just don't bow to Mars and don't see why Mars is considered the holy world. The Omnissiah is omnipresent, either no world is holy or all worlds are.

>>62260648
Not all of it. Tau stuff isn't for example.

>>62261386
If Lucius is a late stage vampire he probably doesn't count as human anymore.

>>62251850
Maerorus also don't work for people other than themselves, Legi being the exception.

>>62261386
I'm actually playing with some ideas for his bio

>>62257567
Huh, I guess even in the nobledark we can't escape the Daemonculaba. However I'm curious as to that when you mention the crones. I remember the process being an originally chaos marine invention. Did the the dark eldar find out about it or steal it from the arch-traitors? Or is this something that is nobledark related?

>>62267264
Daemonculaba has been invented independently by various mad and terrible bastards down the ages. A renegade Raven Guard was suspected to have made one at about the time of The Beast, Tankred the Enduring at least believed that's where the civilians were going. The Dark and Chaos Eldar use them to some degree and the traitorous Warsmith Honsou uses a modified procedure to (unreliably) make Space Marines.

It's probably a thing used by the Dark AdBio also as it's cheaper and easier than managing to grow a gestation tree and look after it for 20 years before it can produce fruit.

Unknown if Dr Bile has done so although it's almost a certainty that he has done every other possible atrocity in the creation of his New Men.

>>62267264
Way back in...like thread 4 or something, it was suggested that in this timeline the Daemonculaba was originally invented by the Crone Eldar in order to boost Crone birth rates in order to keep them from being wiped out by attrition. The Crones do make a lot of babies the natural way, but you also have a high death rate due to fighting the rest of the galaxy, fighting each other, and the fact that we've mentioned Slaanesh likes to snack on eldar children in the Eye like a binge eater on a diet who figures "just one can't hurt". From a meta-perspective it was also to show how messed up the Crones were (their lore wasn't as well established yet). It's been floating around ever since then.

The only suggestion for Honsou so far is that he took one look at the Crones writing the human Daemonculaba off as a failure and realized it doesn't work for growing eldar, but with a few modification it works great at making Space Marines.

The DEldar don't even need a Daemonculaba, given they grow people in-vitro all the time.

>>62262747
I thought it was an import from the Legio Cybernetica going to the Hubworlders when the Fabricator-General declared their creations tech-heresy and to be destroyed. Hubworlders did have ancestor worship but now it's a mix between Omnissiah, ancestor worship, and even a few Prometheanists kind of in the way that the main religion in Japan is simultaneously Buddhist and Shinto.

Otherwise we have a continuity snarl in that Omnissiah worship did not start until the beginning of the Age of Strife when Mars' biosphere was destroyed (and only codified after the Olympus Mons brotherhood started unifying things), yet the Hubworld League was isolated from the Age of Strife until the Great Crusade. Unless some Explorator vessel crashed there.

>>62268519
In vanilla it is mentioned that the early ad-mech set up the forge-worlds in the lulls in storm activity and reunited with them during the Great Crusade.

A question in Eldar names:

All eldars will consider themselves Aeldari, but their particular "ethnic" name will vary. Depending who you talk, the name given will be different. So... tell me if I catch them right.

Crone=This guys call themselves Aeldari, but the rest will call then crone-eldar

Craftworld/Exodite=Asuryan/Craftworlder/Exodite, Dark/Crone will have a lot of insulting terms for them.

Dark.Eldar: Drukhari, but imperial eldar will refer to them as Dark.Kin, at least until the Dark Wedding. Human Imperials actually call then Dark Eldar?

I have lost some name? I assume that humans in this settings understand the differences.

>>62269940
I think we've implied in this setting that "Aeldari" is what the eldar called themselves 65 million years ago, and language gradually drifted over time until it became "eldar", much like how humans don't use whatever work meant "human" in Sanskrit to refer to themselves.

In canon Vect was the first to use the term "Dark Eldar" unironically.

Question: would well connected if shady eldar in the imperium still be able to hire incubi (the dark eldar unit) as bodyguards?

>>62270634
Possibly might just about been able to get away with it before the wedding. Now almost certainly not.

>>62270634
>>62270661
It may actually be somewhat feasible still; plenty of Dark Eldar ended up fleeing the Dark City when the marriage was announced because they could see the shitstorm coming, and considering the Incubi are among the few that still maintain worship of Khaine, it's not unfeasable for some of the shrines to see the writing on the wall and, disgusted by the thought of serving the forces Khaine opposed, left the city as well. Not many of them, and none from the larger shrines who had too much power and ornamentation to see uprooting as worth the risk, but enough did for them to still be available for hire within the Imperium.

>>62253762
>>62261386
>>62264282
>>62266581
You know, I don't think we've really touched on Lucius' characterization in much detail so far. I think we've described him vaguely like Abhorash in SPEHSS, and I think that makes a lot of sense. He's an immortal vampire who is one of the deadliest combatants in history, and his obsession with martial perfection and finding the worthiest foes to defeat fits nicely to his canon Slaaneshi vibes. It also actually makes him badass since in canon he's mostly known for dying and hijacking people's bodies.

So in this case the largest criminal organization might have a few farseers, and a bunch of dark Elder on their payroll maybe?

>>62271688
I can totally see him replace body snatching with siring vampires from worthy foes

>>62271688
fulgrimfag's unification era stuff
>Lucius had cut his teeth in the Panama trenches, fighting Hy Braseal in the long border wars that burned along the isthmus. He was little more than a month Furis's senior, and was held up as another triumph of the Doe program. His tactical virtuosity was said to match Fulgrim's technical art, and the prodigies had been introduced to each other at the revels of some mutual superior. The Major is said to have rescued the mechanist from the agents of high ranking officers intent on compelling Furis to grant them immortality, and would years later go on to make the same request, which Fulgrim strove to achieve. The two, Major Lucius and Special Lieutenant Fulgrim, took up their commands on New Atlantis where the former began his campaign against the Brasealian forces in the heavily fortified south of the landmass and the scattered Aftique enclaves occupying its eastern half, and the latter rebuilding and updating the ancient merikan air fortress and factories on the island. Backed by Fulgrim's advanced weapons and occasionally his enhanced soldiers, as well as the ever increasing air power he was building in the northwest of the continent, Lucius made short, mean work of the Afrique settlements and drove Hy Braseal back to a single heavily entrenched garrison on the continent's southernmost point. The major was known for leading from the front, sword in hand. Fulgrim, once his workshop was well established and the conversion of the Ursh defense interceptor detachments to dive bombers and escorts was underway, was characteristically preoccupied with personal projects. He and his core of mechanists were busy preparing cybernetic enhancements and warriors in a rush to complete their long standing mission to provide Merika with an equivalent shock troop to the Thunder Warrior, themselves already replaced by Astartes.

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>>62271688
Fulgrim's bio so far has made him out to be a guy who's primary goal was obtaining immortality. Now what needs to be done is show how his goals have pivoted now that he has it. Immortality is one of those things that after someone gets it they have to figure out "what next", as the Old Ones pointed out.

Its possible his nickname of "the Eternal" comes from him surviving situations that would make Vulkan blush and in the rare event he does get wounded he pays the costs out of the other guy's pocket by eating him like Alucard. Which fits with him being Dracula Armstrong. He's the kind of guy who can probably beat you conventionally, but in the rare event he does lose he learns from his mistakes when he comes back for round two. Lucius is quite possibly the oldest C'tan vampire in the setting aside from possibly Orikan, after all.

We do need more chacterization for him. We don't even know what type of vampire he is.

Can Eldar become inquisitors?

>>62274849
yes

>>62272848

Farseers, maybe, especially if they have a plan. Dark Eldar, Yes. The DE will have a very hard time to acclimate to the imperial culture. They will be second-class citizens for most Eldar, so drifting to the criminal world will be a natural thing for them. In the long run, DE will eventually try to wrestle control of any criminal organization and assume the leadership.

>>62273368
Probably Deciever as they have been up and about the longest and one of them probably thought he was going to make useful hitman.

2 years, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

Since the Tau and Eldar are working with Humans, and aren't actively trying to kill one another, do you suppose that old trope of 'human guys looking at alien lewds' holds any weight here? Or would someone be called a heretic still for looking at space-elf/blue alien booty.

I know I might get shit on for asking that, but I'm bloody curious.

>>62276596
Depends on where you are. Krieg usually still shoot aliens on sight if they set foot on their shitty little world and tolerate serving alongside them only under extreme sufferance when on campaign.

Il-Kaith Craftworld would almost certainly exile any of their own for having a close relationship with a human and don't typically let humans on their craftworld at all, unknown if they would actually kill trespassers.

On Cadia it's barely noticed by either human or eldar because Ulthwe and Cadia have been fighting alongside each other for so very long. Taldeer and LIVII fucking was not taboo because they were eldar and human, it was taboo because it was extremely unprofessional. Also Ulthwe eldar are usually prepared for the people they care about to die as they live in the Cadian Gate. One of the big reasons for not encouraging relationships between human and eldar is that the human will die soon and eldar can fall into inescapable grief spirals.

On the Imperial level it can't be outlawed or disapproved of too much because of the royal couple.

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>>62276596
>tfw I come here since the original thread but never contributed because can't write for shit
Fuck my life.

>>62276596
What >>62276707 said, and be careful, she might be a commorrite exile.

>>62276763

Cormorrite latex bound hot ex-wych(Maibe):Are you prepared for pain?! mon-keigh!

Masochistic fellow:Yes mistress!

Later...

CLBHEW: I don`t understand this sub-sapients shits. They pay me for those things!

>>62276707
>>62276763
>>62276926

Those Dark Elder women get really freaky.

So the likely hood of walking into a xeno titty bar on the fringes or picking up a spicy Eldar novel is...plausible at least. Makes sense it would be tolerable in the Imperium with the royal couple. No more 'Are you wanking off to xeno smut? HERETIC!' Bolter to the face.

>>62277127

Yes, posible, but, rare. Most Eldar/Human look freaky to one another. Only the most travelled/open-minded/especial-cases will really think in that, but yeah in the military, will be weirdly common.

Ok, this is my idea for Lynn Minwen planet:

Leigh-2 Affiliation:ImperiumType:Civilised WorldSatellites:Whannell medium-side moon. Orbital radius:0.9AU Radius:6078.1Km Gravity:0.9G Atmosphere:Standard Hydrografics:70% Temperature/Climate:Template/Medium Landmarks:Lionsgate, capital and starport. Féin-Cineálan enclave near the starport. Human.population:536704818 Xenos.familiaris.population:311660(Primarily Féin-Cineálan Eldar) Government type:Feudal Imperial.governor:Lord Davidian Kramer Eldar.governor:Farseer Osurad head of the Féin-Cineálan council PDF.Commander:Sir Johnsons Tapp Technology:Standart imperial Imports:Advanced electronics, Advanced manufactured goods, Advanced vehicles, Bionics, Crystals & Gems, Luxury.comsumables, Luxury.goods and Medical.supplies Exports:Common.consumables, Common.electronics and Common.raw.materials, Tithe:Standard

>>62277167
>>62277127
The reformed DEldar would typically come in two varieties. Those who can't adapt to the path system properly because they are a little too set in the ways of their bad habits and fanatics who want to get away from their old life as possible. You would expect there to be substantial middle ground but because of the eldar lacking very many middle gears there isn't.

The fanatics are usually safer to be around.

In addition to that there is the other distinction of how they see non-eldar. Some see them as "fellow non-Dark Eldar" and try to get along with everyone, typically they are aware that most of them were street beggers in the Low City or similar at the arse end of Commorite society. The others have maintained some of the towering arrogance.

If you get the humble and the truly reformed you have a pointy eared Ned Flanders/Mr Rodgers. The other type typically stay out of polite society and better for everyone's sake.

>>62274849
Inquisitor Silus Hand is an eldar.

>>62278275

That can give reason for a character in some Imperial soap-opera. The cute Eldar of the cast, that is triying to hide her wych past, but one day, her no-so-nice "sister" come to visit.

>>62264976
Legi was the only one that remained sane through the procedure that created them and the children of the "successful" survivors were all devoid of any notion of humanity. Presumably id Legi had children they would also be monsters, another reason they can't risk letting her out of the Ganymede facility even if she is allowed free access to the non-critical and recreational sections.

The chances of her willingly having children knowing what she knows is minimal because she is a responsible person and the chances of anything being able to kidnap and/or rape her is pretty remote but even a minimal risk is not worth taking if there is the option of not taking the risk.

Jaq Draco seems to disagree with this assessment but Inquisitor Draco doesn't have a 1:1 parity with the way other people value or perceive things.

>>62280776
More of a risk is a 'Nid taking a bite out of her and spreading her weirdness across the Hive Fleets.

>>62280720
I want to read that.

>>62254349
Did we keep that list of Vampire progression?

>>62282248

Actually, Yvraine is the model "good redeemed dark eldar" of the setting, and her life, probably don´t have nothing to envy from any soap-opera. It can get even weirder... Think in this, someday she is quietly observing the sunset, when... a half naked eldar redhead appear to talk with her.

So would Tiberius be around in Sol for the execution/mercy killing of Justinian? Seems like Cthonia is close enough for him to have broadcast to the system at that point.

>>62283812
One incarnation of him probably was as it was at the very start of the Age of Strife. And if he was active in Sol then he would have participated in that mission as killing a Man of Gold would be highest priority and highest risk. The greatest of Sol's forgotten heroes of that era would have all been on that mission, Justinian was too far gone to be allowed to live. And more than likely he had been their friend, once upon a time. They would have owed him that much.

>>62279773
He also isn't the only one. They are rare because eldar make up less than 5% of the Imperial population but there are enough of them that his presence isn't more shocking than the fact that an Inquisitor is there at all.

There are also Tau Inquisitors although hey are rarer as they are new to the galactic stage and not very many of them comparatively. There may be other species with members who hold the title of Inquisitor although they would be rare as fuck.

>>62282029
Aren't the Maerorus part Kroot and part 'nid or genestealer along with a bunch of other things in this timeline? But yeah, putting that back in the Hive Fleet is a bad idea.

>>62283812
Was Tiberius on Cthonia, or was he on Earth? I can't remember. Given that he forked himself everywhere it almost doesn't matter.

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>>62277167
>>62277127
Eh, not as rare as you might think. I mean, look at all the porn we've come up with, on our one planet with a single sentient species and no knowledge of any other sapient race other than the ones we imagine for ourselves. Scale that up to the scope of the Imperium, and the confirmed existence of other races, add in some removal by distance from the actual species with most humans never actually meeting an alien, and thus the creative liberties that entails...
Long story short, while definitely niche, what is "niche" to the Imperium is still a veritable mountain of porn for each individual species.

>>62289059
Not to mention most other sapient species on Earth have figured out sex can be for pleasure as well as reproduction (dolphins, bonobos). Not all of them, but quite a few. Plus it's been mentioned both here and in canon that Eldar are pretty similar to humans in their sexual habits towards other species, it was the Eldar who created Slaanesh after all. It's more the canon Craftworlders and Exodites dialed down on the prudishness and xenophobia after the Fall and the Dark Eldar see other species as talking sex toys.

IIRC it was mentioned somewhere that Tau also enjoy the act of procreation in a similar manner to humans, but the current (i.e., Tau'va) Tau don't engage in it due to social engineering, which is the tact we took here.

Of course, not all species are similar to Humans, Eldar, and Tau in their habits, even if Earth biology suggests lewdness is a potential side effect of sapience. And of course, you have the Orks, for whom the act of war itself is an act of procreation. To Orks, 90% of 40k artwork is pure pornography.

>>62290295
You actually bring up a good point about different races seeing lewdness in places humans might not, or at least not to the extent of practical blatancy that it is for them. The Orks are the meme-example, of course, but the other example that immediately springs to my mind is the Kroot, and their reaction to Massage Parlors.
>They're sitting there, right out in the open, blatantly advertising their services like they're unashamed of it!
>They don't even have dividers inside; they'll just WATCH each other as they get- you know!
>Sometimes they even do it with their FEET- just walk on their backs like some twisted power-play!
>and then they look at you funny whenever you bring it up, as if WE'RE the deviants here!
>Fucking humans, hormonal teenagers the lot of them!

testing

test

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>>62240053
Is it going on the page or is it too crap?

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Your vile sorceries have failed you, Warpspawn! We are undissuaded from our purpose!
WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

>>62292965
The guy who uploads stuff is gone for a week and a half.

>>62292965
>>62293905
I can try and take a look at it and get it added to the wiki in his stead, when I get the chance.

For a sec, I thought the thread was getting locked cause we were talking about probable lewds in a fictional setting.

Something a bit more important to inquire. I haven't came across it on the wiki if it were touched, but do the Eldar still get munched on in the afterlife in this rewrite?

>>62295067
I can actually answer this; they do get munched on by Slaanesh, but now that Isha's back, they no longer exclusively go to her, and don't even default to her.
I remember it because it's an important part of why Slaanesh is more cunning/reasonable in this setting; after so long of only wanting more and pursuing excess, she was forced to experience deprivation and want. She's learned different measures, rather than just the extremes, because the soul-cocaine suddenly isn't there by the barrelful like it used to be.
Dark Eldar in Commoragh are still pretty much fucked, since Isha disowned them after the Wedding, but Craftworlders, while still at risk of getting snatched up and nommed, at least have the opportunity to go to Isha instead.

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>>62295067
If they had an issue with us discussing probable lewds, this project would have been shut down within the first few threads. One of the things we spent a great deal of time discussing and establishing was the nature of Oscar and Isha's marriage, and how her needs are "simple, but great" to the point where it's speculated that Eldrad pushed for the marriage specifically to avoid losing all the Eldar's remaining males to providing for her needs.

I'm pretty sure that in any Nobledark thread, lewd subjects will usually pop up at least once.

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>>62295224
I think we said she is sometimes able to save part of a soul, to keep with the dark of nobledark. Isha isn't powerful enough right now to regularly fistfight Slaanesh for souls, which is why she spends all her time incarnated as Macha-Isha in the Materium. Sort of like how Ceggers is able to trick Slaanesh out of the majority of the Harlequins souls, though Harlies make up a small fraction of eldar.

Either way, the Infinity Circuit is usually preferable as you don't want to gamble on the chance that Isha saves you. The Empress helps those that help themselves.

One could almost imagine shattering a spirit stone to be one of the biggest taboos in the Imperium, since most people now know exactly what that means instead of humans shattering them for lulz like in canon (though there was that time the Grey Knights returned a bunch of spirit stones from Malan'tai to the eldar).

>>62297050

So doing so is something that will get everyone pissed at you. I can't help but imagine recovering one gets a good reward as well.

>>62299290
>kill daemonette
>check the corpse
>find satchel full of soulstones

This was inquisitor Czevak in canon 40k, and he was rewarded the way he wanted. I believe he would swim in eldar pussy, for the same services, in this AU.

What is the lowest tech level a world can be and still have to pay guardsmen to the Imperium?

>>62293905
I'll put it up when I get home from work. Also of thread survives I have moar writefagging pland

>>62300865
There are feral worlds that contribute, as in canon. Most of the time all you need is enough sense to follow orders and know which direction to point a lasgun.

>>62300107

I wonder what sex is like between a human male and an eldar female. What do you think would be the same and what would be different?

>>62300865

Training modern day soldiers, is a relaive short task(3 months?). Taking in consideration, the time of warp travell and the size of a transport, the IG can easely train regiments "in transit" whithout problems.

>>62302269

Well... Tecnically, Eldar has a lot more of sex-related... everything. More sex-drive, stamina, passion... I don`t know what exactly a human has to offer.
Beyond the kinkines of the act or the need of a quickie, maibe, being with a human is a lot less "complicated"?

>>62299290

Eldar can get really freaked if a soulstone is destroyed... Now thing in this... A Incubus kill an aspect warrior and shatter the soulstone, now, all, an i mean, all the guardsmen backing the aspect unit, turn their guns to him... buthurt! Dodge that!

>>62302514
>>62302462


So how are Eldar and Human Orgies managed then?

>>62302971
politely, with lots of breaks and water on hand. The aristocracy is civilized, but still aristocrats.

>>62297024
Eldrad also pushed for the marriage of Isha to Oscar because Oscar was the only realistic option. All the other gods were;
Chaos and therefore unthinkably not an option

Khaine whose hands still drip with the blood of her children that he killed and who is a molten metal creature and dead for a given value of dead.

Ceggorach who is not husband material and he would be the first to tell you this.

An eldar. Assuming there is an eldar that could even keep up with her it would be degenerate as fuck as they all see her as kind of (but not really actually but it's complicated) their mother and she does see them as definitely her children. Any offspring of this union would be abominations.

Oscar was the only (not quite a) god available that was an option. By good fortune they did come to love each other.

>>62303728
Very nice explanation, buddy.

>>62302462
>Well... Tecnically, Eldar has a lot more of sex-related... everything. More sex-drive, stamina, passion... I don`t know what exactly a human has to offer.
Taking how things work, I guess gene-therapy could put a human par with eldar, in that regard.

Except for the psycho-emotional part, ofc.

>>62304226
>Humans with modifications derived from the Man of Gold you say
>and they travel in ships you say

>>62304226
>>62304672

Ehm... That mean that Astartes and Securitas, will have a more than interesting sex-life. I don`t know, if i like to think in that idea, but that make it somewhat most understable. I mean Isha=Eldar + Oscar=Marines/Sisters

>>62304967
The highest chance for something along this line to happen - outside of Cadia - is Fenris. They are 1st tier bros with the Saim-Henn, all the lot and lot combined (the Wolves + the Valkaries) and they all are pretty loose and relaxed toward these sorta stuffs.

>>62305648

This is weird, but i can totally see, that in-universe some people, will have the percepcion, that the Astartes/Sisters are xenophilics sex-maniacs designed with unlimited stamina. It will based more or less in exagerated and misguided information, and... more weird... enhace their "legend".

>>62306395
Carry On films. It's all Carry On films. It's been 38,000 years but they just don't fucking die, and they weren't good to start with. They were a symptom and contributor to the dying British film industry.

People meeting Battle Sisters and Space Marines don't have these preconceptions. People who have met them know better. Both are collections of injuries and prosthetics held together with scar tissue and grit and full of issues and venom and powered by duty and fanaticism.

>>62306736

"... and fanaticism"

Say the veteran sergeant, to a group of redneck guardsmen. As the group of definitely disappointed recruits left, a white-haired head peeks behind a door.

"have you got rid of them? Mindaesh is beginning without us."

>>62306736
>>62306950
Not a britbong, what's the deal with Carry On films?

>>62308632
They made too many of them, and it was always the same aging actors playing the same role in the same basic story with a slightly different backdrop. It got a bit repetitive after a while.

>>62306736
God, nothing emphasizes the 'dark' bit of Nobledark other than humanity's sole cultural survivor not being the works of Mozart, Golden Age Islamic calligraphy or any works of the Renaissance masters, but the Carry On films and Finnish swearing.

>>62309312
Come to think, that would explain the Eldar's view on Mankind.

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>>62309396
>big waves are made when records of archeological relics are discovered on Terra
>Though the stone structures and relics the records depict are long gone, the prominence of carvings of a froglike deity are striking
>mass speculation on the presence or influence of the Old Ones on human society; Eldar are particularly enthusiastic, since humanity potentially being connected to the Old Ones adds more legitimacy to the whole idea of the Imperium
>tfw all this social influence and academic speculation results from the preservation of somebody's stash of Pepe and Kek memes
These truly are dark days...

>>62309752
Verily it is the work of hated Be'lakor

bump

>>62309752
Priests of Mars mentions Vodanus' programming containing "heuristic kill-memes". Indeed, for all we know the GaBHD weaponized it by using literal kill-memes to fill up an enemy A.I.'s buffer with LOLcats and make them have the Abominable Intelligence version of a seizure.

>>62309312
Imagine if, much like the Illiad and Odessey, there was a great saga known from M2 of which only a single entry survives. We can only imagine what the whole thing must have been like based on the effect it had on contemporary human culture and the contents of the work itself.

It's Star Wars The Phantom Menace.

>>62304967
Astartes are sterilized though, IIRC. I think we've said they can still do it (and Canis Helix soldiers suffer from no such limitations), but they aren't as hormonally driven.

>>62313428
>It's Star Wars The Phantom Menace.
At least it wasn't Last Jedi.

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>>62313428
In this AU they aren't sterile, Vulkan and Khan had children. Canis Helix is odd in that those with it can only father daughters.

It was talked, that the problem with Astartes, is that they suffer from genetic compatibility issues, and pregnancies are rare. Kids from those unions, are appreciated, because there is the chance that they are especially compatible with the Astartes mods.

>>62316724
I thought we said it was just a fluke that Russ had all daughters. And we have mentioned Khan and Vulkan (and quite a few of the Salamanders, IIRC) had kids, as well as Sanguinius and Alexis Polux and the Crimson Fists, but didn't we imply that was from frozen sperm rather than the actual act (though they still did both)?

That said, since Space Marines and Sisters are all bio-borgs children aren't that big of a deal because the augments don't pass down. Canis Helix would be more worrisome except it's gene-locked and even the slight chance (that through years of chance events would lead go things like the Valkyries) was enough to help scrap the project in favor of Astartes.

>>62317362
>>62317404

Yep, i remember now. The compatibility issues were with the Space Wolves. In theory they are genetically incompatible, but there is always the rare "fluke" that has extended some alterations to the Fenrisians, making them more compatible with the Canis Helix. The second part, was about the kids of astartes being especially watched, as they are the ultimate military brats.

>>62317362
Are they genetically modified or is it all just grafts and alchemy?

yump

>>62319306
The line gets a little blurry with the Biomech, but the general concensus is that it's primarily modification; their kids are about as likely to inherit their Astartes parts as they are to inherit the scars they get from battle.
Of course, the fact that it does happen every so often means it's not a hard and fast rule, but the occasions where it happens are more a matter of the Imperium being so big that even one-in-a-trillion odds are going to have popped up on several different occasions.

Even then, none of the big parts of what makes a space marine are inheritable; the majority of the organs are strictly non-inheritable, so astartes offspring who do luck out are basically just really inclined to build hyper-efficient muscles and take to the Astartes procedure well, rather than being able to spit poison or eat people's brains to read their memories.

>>62321127
The brain eating-memory absorber isn't a thing that marines have in this AU. It was designed and it was intended to be implemented but it was unreliable are best and it's implantation often resulted in additional complications. The Ganymede vaults kept hold of the master copy of it for posterity.

What is unknown is if the Emperor has that ability as the organs are bootlegged Man of Gold parts derived from his own flesh.

baml

>>62268519
They could see the Omnissiah as the ultimate ancestor, the one who came first and the one who will remain.

>>62321127
This. Implanted organs are supposed to effect DNA about as much as metal augments (minus epigenetics and Warp bullshit), but augment compatibility is just as big of a deal.

Inheriting geneseed just isn't possible. The Dark Eldar tried when the Sisters became a thing.

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>>62270634
Actually, this does bring up a good question: how many of the non-Deldar living in Commorragh saw the Wedding coming, could see the consequences of it, and decided "nope, fuck this" and took their chances elsewhere?
Obviously some of them don't really have anywhere else to go a'la Medusae, but pic-related are mostly mercenary, so I imagine that more than a couple of them had the foresight to guess at the outcome of the wedding and decided that the access to customers did not trump the basic mercenary rule of "Make sure you live to collect your pay." Sure, the rest of the galaxy isn't exactly welcoming, but Commorragh is more dangerous at the best of times, and no amount of coin is worth risking your entire crew waking up warp-tainted because the boss' new daemon-buddies were running wild through the town last night.

>>62327508
Those are also a bioweapon clade left over from Laer, they're down for chaos masters paying them

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>>62328957
fair enough.

>>62297050
I think that it's promised that they can go to Isha's Garden when she retakes it, for now they wait in the Circuit.

>>62328957
>>62330721
I thought the Sslyth were the Laer who NOPE-d off into space when the Laer got too into body modification fof their liking and the Sslyth decided they didn't want to live on their moving fusion candle of a planet anynore. Sslyth/Laer being corrupted due to being a proxy power backed up by the Old Empire during the DaoT when they wanted to start a brushfire war and got corrupted due to diplomatic ties.

It's possible mercenaries may be increasingly drawn to satellite realms partially stitched into Commorragh amd under Vect's control to make deals if Commorragh is becoming more Crone and daemon infested. Though one wonders how much Vect would tolerate that. Either that or another downside to the Dark Wedding for the Imperium is a wave of non-state actors as has never been seen before as pirate bands, illegal eldar corsairs, and the like try to carve out their own hidey-holes now that Null City in Commorragh is no longer "safe", "neutral" territory (HA!).

Due to the sheer size of Commorragh some merc bands would be likely to be around, it would be interesting for a M41 party to see Commorragh and some Dark Eldar to go "This is nothing. You should have seen it in its heyday."

>>62332402
The Sslyth there now are not the ones who left their world. Those are long dead. Maybe some did Nope out of the city when they saw waht was happening but enough who didn't give a shit are left behind.

>>62332618
There would be viable populations in either faction. The Chaos Laer are essentially reborn and the big question is where the Double Exiles settled.

>>62332618
This. They've gone through a lot of time, a lot of generations and probably a lot of cultural shifts.

On a similar note there are Laer in the Diasporex fleets and have been since as far back as anyone can remember, so they aren't or at least didn't start out as inherently awful creatures.

>>62332402
I do like the idea of one of the downsides of the Wedding for the Imperium being a sudden influx of pirates and vagabonds causing more trouble in real-space due to them trying to carve out their own little place in the galaxy now that their old port of call is no longer "safe." It's good potential for campaign set-ups and scenarios.
Also gives potential for funny situations, like the one really small band of Sslyth that decide to take over an old backwater space station, but have to play it sneaky because there's not enough of them to keep it running by themselves so they need the current residents to help, and their original plans of just enslaving them all and forcing their way to power go out the window when it turns out the station has been horribly mismanaged and the residents are desperate for somebody with an actual brain take charge. Long story short, the pirate band is basically the administration of the station now, buried up to their necks in paperwork and unsure how the fuck they wound up in this situation but unwilling to just leave because holy fuck the amount of bank this place brings in once word gets out that it's actually functioning properly. Of course, they're still convinced that the Imperium would shoot them on sight (not unfounded) so whenever inspectors come around or a ship docks it basically becomes a giant game of poor disguises and badly-choreographed swapping in of random people to be their "face," which has only worked so long because the entire station is in on it and nobody wants to actually be stuck with the job of keeping the station running- it's a logistical nightmare for anyone who's brain isn't used to the impossible geometries of Commorragh.

>>62334790
That could be extremely fun. Have it be a world that was cut off from the Imperium and everyone else because of bad warp-weather for 500 years. Only the really old humans and some of the eldar even remember when they were actually part of the Imperium. System is not that bad, plenty of mineral wealth on the moons and asteroids. By some quirk there are no solid planets as such, just 8 gas giants ranging in size from one of them being a brown dwarf and the smallest about the size of Neptune. Imperium was going to colonize the shit out of the place because there are a dozen moons about the size of Earth with lots of water ice. Therefore great for colonizing. Set the place up as an industrial and bread basket hub and use it to send out hundreds of on-site built colony ships into the rest of the unclaimed sector, in the following 1,000 years they were hoping to set up hundreds of colonies and eventually have it become an entirely new sector (uplifting and/or offering the hand of friendship to any civilized being that the encounter in the process).

They got as far as building a Ramilies-class Starfort with the great distinction of it actually having been designed by Architect-Supreme Ramilies of the Ad-Mech. Then the warp went funny. Not funny enough to actually break through into real space but it was close and it kept ships away for 500 years.

A few years ago the weather improved and people started to say things like "remember that starfort we built? I wonder if it's still intact"

Starfort is intact, it's also still inhabited. If it had been managed properly the whole system would be a small legitimate civilization all abustle with activity, industry and getting shit done. As it is it's a starfort that's kind of only half inhabitable and a few outposts on the moons an asteroids that support it, barley.

>>62334990
Law and order broke down more or less immediately once it was isolated because the commander was a fucking retard and nobody since has been able to get the gangs to work together or even just stop shooting at each other for more than a few hours at a time.

Then the Laer arrive pretty much as soon as the warp was safe to travel, they didn't risk taking the webway as they didn't leave the City of Sins on good terms. Laer manage to take over the last pockets of resistance about three months before an Imperial expeditionary fleet slid up along side it with proper military escort. They are going to salvage the original plan of pushing back the border and for that they need the station up and running. The scribes are all over the place talking to the locals about the last half a millennium and the Laer are freaking the fuck out because they are pretty sure that they saw a Battle Barge with the heraldry of the Warhounds on it and they are pretty sure they are on the "shoot on sight" category.

The Administratum adepts do eventually find them. They congratulate them on getting the place into some semblance of order, tell them that they will push the paperwork through to have them be the official civilian governing body for the system and ask them to give their regards to the rest of the Diasporex next time they come round this way. Laer end up slightly more confused than ever but nobody is shooting them and this is a deal they can live with.

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>>62325948
Canis Helix is 100% gene-splicing introduced via programmed viruses. It also isn't inheritable because it "binds" to the Y chromosome whilst also rendering it incompatible.

The only implant that the Space Wolves in this AU have is the extremely expensive Mind/Machine Interface device. It isn't even strictly necessary, it just makes their power armour more responsive.

The trickle of inhuman blood in the Fenrisian gene-pool is from cumulative freak occurrences where little fragments of artificial genes pass on. In theory, in a very, very long time, Fenrisians might end up as something like a naturally born Dog Soldier population. A super soldier sub-species. But it's been 10,000 years and so far it's not even resulted in a genuine ab-human divergence. It might also end up being corrected either overtly or subtly by the AdBio before it comes to anything like that, Emperor was not in favour of making genetic elite.

>>62325924
That could work. But such a god would be uncaring and indifferent, secrets of technological prowess hack away from an uncaring universe. Which is also good as it differentiates them from the mainstream AdMech who believe that technology is a gift rather than a prize.

>>62325924
"That's not UNtrue"
- Mag'ladroth

>>62335023
This is hilarious. Imperium don't care who's running the planet as long as the population isn't revolting, you aren't Chaos/'crons/genestealers, and you pay the tithe. What should it be called? Maybe a Conan the Barbarian reference?

>>62337185
They would still have to abide by better behaviour than they enjoyed in the Dark City. If they are the Imperial Appointed/Recognised then they can't afford to have the Imperium loose face because of them. The scribes making an account of them might of assumed that they were Diasporex origin but at some point the Inquisition will at least take a brief look at the reports. If they fuck it all up then they might have cautionary accidents of the sort that don't happen by accident.

But if they do their job right then the Inquisition can see this as their redemption.

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>>62338009
>>62337185
Well, "better behaviour than the Dark City" is a pretty low bar to set, and this is on the fringes of the Imperium in the first place, so it's not exactly in the spotlight. Even official Imperial posts can be shady as fuck sometimes, just as long as it's within the Imperium's tolerance levels (no Chaos, no blood-sacrifices, keep your criminality deniable, ect.) and this would be on the lower end of that- on the surface.
Put it another way- the port is (unofficially) open to pirate vessels, but it is also open to Imperial vessels. Including Imperial warships that may happen to be in the area on anti-piracy patrols. In which case they're not going to leave their buddies out in the cold, they might not be able to save their ship and the poor sods still on it, but they'll cover for the crew who were still on station and put them up until the next ship comes along. Just need to get you putting on a show for the inspectors doing this little job over here, we'll even set you up for pay to make it convincing... and then two months later that crew has fallen into the exact same trap of getting comfortable with having regular meals, cleaning facilities, and an actual bed and the ones who haven't fallen for it and would cause trouble for the rest have wound up in one of the back-corridors of the station where the power isn't consistent with several stab-wounds in the back. And of course, if the Imperial officials happen to ask where any pirate vessels may have been headed when they stopped in...

Basically, they're in what feels like a mini-Commorragh, only with Inquisition and Imperial Navy instead of Vect and pirates instead of the various Dark-Eldar factions. The biggest difference is now they've actually got money in their pockets and reliable resources to use and sometimes the residents thank them and smile in ways that give them funny feelings in their chests that they don't understand.

>>62338842
It should be noted, this is not some grand master-plan of theirs. They've always been regarded as a bit of a doofus-crew by their compatriots, and have spent this entire time feeling like they're in way over their heads and just reacting to the latest "OH SHIT FUCK AHHH" thing that's landed on their doorstep.

They're not stupid by any means, and they wouldn't have made it this long or been this successful if they were- if nothing else, they're excellent at problem-solving on the fly. It's just that they've got almost Ciaphas-tier luck and a bad habit of being unwilling to give up whatever they've managed to get.

When it comes down to it, they always side with the Imperium over their fellow pirates, but that's less loyalty and more a combination of "the Imperium's the one making this so profitable" and "Oh fuck they have so many guns we are not picking that fight." They are still pirates at heart at least that's what they keep telling themselves.

>>62339421

"Snort... Luck... Tee-hee... Yeah"

Say the inquisitor the and the seer...

>>62341282
Maybe this is true at present, since they've become a known asset and thus something worth managing and keeping an eye on (and throwing problems at to get solved), but from their time in Commorragh where they were near the bottom of the totem pole and barely ever had anything, to the series of events that led to them going so far off-course they wound up at an Imperial starport that had gone missing, to the series of events that led to them ending up in charge of the port, was all just the universe having a laugh at their expense.

For that matter, the starport itself isn't the luckiest of places; aside from the whole "getting lost due to warp shenanigans," there's how everything collapsed because somehow an idiot was running the show when things went to hell, plus how things kept going wrong during construction with corridors not lining up correctly and prefabbed pieces somehow completely failing to fit together right. Nothing Warp-tainted, thankfully (the Imperium checked- thoroughly- when these issues kept popping up) but the end result of basically kitbashing stuff together and twisting corridor connections to get stuff to fit together meant that the general construction of the place, while static and thus given clearly-marked maps, is still an absolute nightmare to try and navigate through, especially for people who are used to the more organized overflow of most human constructions, where they started out orderly and then became a mess because of the bloat of too much stuff. This station was built messy from the start due to stuff just going wrong in the most annoying way possible.
There's rumors of a shrine to Murphy on the station. Nobody knows where or if it was there from the start, or got erected by somebody asking for mercy during construction or the period when the station was lost. They just know that attempting to get rid of it ends badly, and praying/making offerings is just asking for trouble.

>>62341282
But the thing is that they are getting away with it. They are doing a lot of bad shit. They are harboring known outlaws, they are facilitating if not actually participating in the trade of substances banned on all civilized worlds, they are dealing in slaves (which isn't accepted on many worlds) and shit of all that nature. If the authorities know but won't do anything about it because it's too their advantage not to notice then that's just a reward for their diligence. They are afforded the right to be very naughty, at least for now, because they have shit running.

When the Sslyth limped into the stations docks those few years ago they were fresh out of the Dark City. True, they weren't mover an shakers in the City of Sins but you don't act as the hired muscle for Archons and Old Houses for centuries without learning the basics of power if by cultural osmosis than nothing else. Those that were too dim or slow or honest to learn typically didn't survive. They might have been pleb level player in that place but that place operates on a whole other level. Their take over of the station was swift, brutal and efficient and all the more bloodless for it being so swift (a thing the administratum approved of).

The Sslyth were never the Laer, not the monster that Fulgrim exterminated. Presumably Sslyth have standards that the Laer transgressed in their worship of She Who Thirsts. Sslyth are merely very bad people rather than intentionally fucking monstrous. And these are a breakaway faction that decided to be merely extremely naughty when the looked at the path the unholy wedding was paving.

we need space shanties for pirates if we're talking about pirates

>>62342022
Actually, in this case the station is a lot cleaner than you'd expect something getting run by the Ssylth to be. There's a number of reasons for this:
First and foremost, the Imperium is not stupid and has ambitions for the area, so if the Ssylth were acting like typical Ssylth, they'd have gotten Blammed and replaced by either a Space Marine chapter or somebody more official.
This band of Ssylth are well aware of this, and considering they're a bunch of dregs from barely-relevant houses, they'd be mincemeat against a Space Marine squad. Thus, they are very eager to not give the big bad Imperium a reason to come after them. This doesn't mean they avoid their standard shady shit, but they let it come to them rather than seeking it out, and keep it as quiet as they possibly can.
To give perspective, the main source of income, and the only thing they really had in place when the Imperium showed up, was the legitimate resource-harvesting the station was built for. True, they'd originally been intending the resources for building ships for themselves, but they've given up on that thanks to the dollar-signs the Imperium pays for it.
This pretty much characterizes the struggle these Ssylth have been going through; they set out to do something properly Ssylth-y, and then something screws it up so they end up being the good guys. Big pirate captain stops in to sell his booty? An argument springs up that ends with your blade in his neck right as an Imperial warfleet shows up, and you end up getting praised and collecting the bounty on his head. Slavers show up with fresh labor? Somehow you getting lost in the corridors with them gets interpreted as a liberation attempt, with one of the slaves happens to be a somewhat important person whose associates pay a good sum and offer a trade deal in thanks for his return.

I've put the Féin-Cineál up on the page. This is the first time I've done this, please be patient.

>>62343170
Basically, they're villains going through a mid-life crisis of suddenly having 401ks and a business to run and suddenly being responsible adults rather than the freebooting teenagers they used to be.
The scary part (for them) is that they've actually gotten comfortable with their new situation, even if they'll never admit it. They're still ready and eager for fights, and their first question on running into a problem is "can we stab it away?," but the number of times where they decide the answer is "yes" has been declining.
For the Imperium, it's something of a social experiment; eventually the point is going to come where the Ssylth have an opportunity and either take it and resort back to their old ways- in which case there's a contingent of Warhounds within the galactic area, cleaning up the mess will be relatively easy - or stick to their guns and continue on the course they're going down, in which case it will be an example of why the civilized Imperial method is the correct approach to the world, or something like that. Basically proof that redemption is possible if you choose to pursue it.

I wonder if we could incorporate a certain inqusitorial strike team. The one made entirely of Guard veterans.

How would Fist of the North Star be adapted into this setting?

As a story or manga or something fictional?

>>62345293
Historical documentary of Age-Of-Strife Terra, with a few embellishments here and toning down of bad stuff there. Also the main character would be Oscar, and there'd be more recurring secondary characters.

>>62310874
I'm sure he'd take credit for it either way.

>>62345411
Oscar was not aware or active during the Age of Strife.

>>62348249
It's not necessary that the average pleb knows this. It is true that there is greater importance put on basic education as Imperial policy but Oscar would try and have it so that mentions of himself are kept to a minimum and the actions of "real" people given greater emphasis. He's not actually burying information, you can go and look it up in the local library but he isn't calling attention to himself.

Side effect of this is that the average pleb knows surprisingly little about the Emperor. It amounts to:

Very Psychic because that's where Astropaths come from and every planet has at least one of those.

Vat-born so that the prejudice against the vat-born never seriously takes hold.

Non-standard internal anatomy so that the abhuman prejudice is lessened.

He's been in the job for the entirety of Imperial history.

Typical school kid knows more about the Primarchs and Isha All-Mother than Oscar the Emperor, as is right and proper. He knows he's a cultural and historical cornerstone but he doesn't want to be the keystone that can't be removed. His ultimate personal ambition is to become obsolete and eventually fade into the background.

>>62343310

I can just imagine them now also finding polite ways to break tragic news to their employees families.

Perhaps a gift basket or some wine? Maybe some gift baskets with wine?

Speaking of which if the Planet Trade Organization were to exist here as a galactic entity how would it interact with the wider galaxy?

>>62348825

Teacher:What is the name of the avatar of Isha?
Kid:Ehm...Macha! She is a Biel-Tan Eldar!
Teacher:Good Timmi, and the name of the Emperor.
Kid:?!

>>62348903
Bump

>>62343213
Thankyou.

>>62342022
At some point they are going to realize that they have to look the part if they are going to be operating openly as an actual government. At some point at least one of the Sslyth are going to slither into a tailor shop and ask for an actual tailored suit, you can't keep wearing the battle armour all day every day. It looks unprofessional to say nothing of the chafing and the idea is to draw attention away from the fact that they are former associates of the Dark Eldar who still do a bit of bad behaviour on the side.

A day is coming, maybe has already been, when a tailor had to figure out how to make suit for a client with 4 arms and 0 legs.

For the name of this station, because it needs a name, I'm going to suggest Kerys because it's a thing of glory that sank in bad weather, was supposed to inspire other settlements and has a slightly sinister reputation.

>>62348903
The notion of loyalty for reasons other than pay would be a strange but pleasant experience for them. They have friends now beyond mere alliance of convenience.

For numbers I'm going to suggest that there are somewhere about the 1,000 mark of them. Enough to be a viable population and be considered a culture in their own right whilst also still having them be a small group of, relative, warrior elite when they moved on to the station and a small exclusive ruling class after they went legitimate.

They consider themselves the only real Sslyth left. The ones in the Dark City are now Laer bottom bitchs of the gods again even if they won't admit it. They don't know about the ones on the Diasporex fleets.

How... competent is Fyodor, during his short stint as the Big I, and after he went actively seditious?

>>62349912
I like Kerys as a name. It's very fitting.

As for the suits, I can imagine a tailor basically recommending sleeveless vest-suits to bypass the headache of sleeves for four arms, with maybe a sort of extended business skirt to cover the lower bits since 0legs. The fact that these attempts at formal-wear make them look either like mafia thugs or Chippendales is lost on the Ssylth, who suffer from a combination of cultural ignorance and not recognizing that you don't need to be blatantly exposing yourself to come off as "indecent"- the Dark City tends to skew your interpretation of exactly what constitutes decency.

Also their initial reactions to displays of affection would be hilarious for everyone who isn't the unlucky person suddenly in a four-way armlock with a blade at his throat. Even today they tend to get a bit jumpy and/or aggressive with individuals they haven't had a chance to personally get used to 'tolerating.'
>pic related
>>62348903
Gift baskets might be one thing, yes. The main difficulty is when the cause of the tragic news was factors other than "hostile intent" or murder, and as such "the heart of the one responsible" is not a valid gift. And yes, they still do this if there was a hostile party involved- the families who just lost loved ones are surprisingly okay with physical evidence that their family-member was brutally avenged.

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>>62350386
>forgot pic
lol

>>62171748
Why do Tau women have a pussy on their heads?

>>62350386
>>62349912

If the planet Trade organization existed here how would the body work?

Is there anything about Tau needing to be written? I like them as a faction and I'd like to contribute.

>>62350623
Any writing that helps get stuff off the Notes page is welcome.
We had an idea in previous threads for the Tau to have had an explorer/diplomat sent out when they had finally made contact with the Imperium as an entity rather than just Segmentum Ultramar, by the name of Por'O M'arc, who became the first Tau to set foot on Terra. He's basically a Marco Polo expy, including how the Tau initially called bullshit on practically everything he reported to them, and only when they had started getting Tau into the Inquisition did they go back to his reports, compare to reports they'd been getting from other explorers and sources, and realized that he'd only actually seen a microscopic and rather controlled speck of the amount of fucked-up shit in the galaxy.

It's a fun idea, but we don't actually have anything written up for it yet, so that might be a place to start. Heck, if you want to write about something else that you think up yourself, go for it! All contributions are welcome.
A link to the what we have on Por'O M'arc so far:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notes#Voyage_of_Por.27O_M.27arc

>>62350386
They would also have to come to terms that people can just drop dead for no reason. Dark Eldar are functionally immortal if they have a sufficient and reliable supply of victims and they all used to work in high risk bodyguard and mercenary work in the most dangerous city in the galaxy. The only other people they ever met were slaves and victims and that's all they've known for thousands of years. They never knew that old age was even a thing. It didn't make them happy when they found out as by that time they had started to make friends. They were also smart enough to realize that they also probably had an expiration date, it's just that nobody had ever lived long enough in their old job to reach it so they didn't know how long they had other than "somewhere past 300".

>>62350494
It's an olfactory organ.

>>62351335
A waht? nigger that's a pussy you put your dick init

>>62350242
Extremely. Just not very nice. If he was bad at his job he wouldn't be as dangerous.

>>62341896
>There's rumors of a shrine to Murphy on the station

Who is Murphy?

>>62341896
>>62352341
Murphy as in Murphy's Law. The Emperor once found out about Murphy's Law and made a joking comment about it. Imperial forces around him had a short run of spectacular good luck and then a run of even more spectacular bad luck for a month or so.

The Kais Doomguy non-canon story also mentions Kais hearing about "Murphy" through talking with his colleagues in the Inquisitor's retinue.

I love the idea of "Murphyism" evolving into a full-blown religion and "Murphy" being seen as some kind of combination Ranald/Zuvassin hilarious. Especially the "future imperfect" aspects of future humanity misinterpreting the idea of Murphy's Law as the actual god of FUBAR. Granted, they probably see Murphy as more of a metaphorical personification of a non-sapient phenomenon of "everything goes sideways sometimes", but when has that stopped the Warp from forming something out of it.

Faith in "Murphyism" would only be bolstered by the fact that "Murphy" made a complete fool out of the Emperor, and Cegorach, who is one of the most powerful beings out there, straight up admitting that Murphy's Law is more powerful than both he is an the Chaos gods.

>>62352341
>>62354004
It's also important to note that while whether the shrine actually exists is ambiguous, it ultimately does not matter whether it is real or not. It is equally as plausible that the shrine doesn't exist, but that people on the station are willing to believe it does because it would give an explanation for why things keep going sideways at Kerys. Then there's the possibility of it being a chicken-and-egg scenario; is the prevalence of things going wrong a result of the shrine, or is the shrine a result of all the bad luck that manifests on the station? Ultimately it's all academic, because the takeaway is always that the station seems to be a magnet for mishaps.
The more interesting case for the existence of the shrine is that, while the station is a magnet for mishaps, it's not necessarily a magnet for misfortune. Your plan is going to crumble to pieces, but there always seems to be opportunity mixed in. The Ssylth's plight is the perfect example of this; from their viewpoint, things have been going wrong and stayed going wrong ever since they arrived- or before, since they only found the station in the first place because their navigation got shot to hell while fleeing the Dark City and forced them to make a blind jump into the void. Despite that, they're better off than when they arrived, with steady income, positions of power, followers who would die for them, and even friends and allies. And all of this was not because they sought it out, but because every time things went FUBAR the solution to the problems would end up giving them good things on top of the even bigger problems it came with.
There's at least a couple of the Ssylth who are so adamant about still being mercenaries and bad people because they're terrified that if they admit what they've become and try to actually pursue their new purpose, the effect will reverse and they'll end up actually having to go back to being pirates.

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>>62350386
I like Kerys as well, the only potential issue would be confusion with the Craftworld Kher-Ys, which failed it's anal circumference roll against a Keeper of Secrets. Though I agree this is one of those situations where having two things with similar names isn't that big of a deal in such a huge galaxy.

Maybe tweak the name slightly so the similarity isn't as obvious despite the two names having the same mythological origin, like Cherys. It also has a double meaning as it kind of sounds like Charybdis. As in, the Sslyth are caught between the Scylla of the Imperium and the Charbydis of Commorragh.

What's particularly hilarious is you have a planet that is literally run by a conspiracy of snake people at the highest levels, and the Administratum's reaction is "Well yeah we know about it. They pay their tithe on time and everything. They're doing a better job running the place than you lot did". They literally do not give a shit (though they think they're lost Diasporites).

>>62338842
Reminds me of that place we had that was an extra-legal space station inhabited by all sorts of criminal elements (including the squat mafia). Specializes in doing things that are not legal on every planet but aren't banned Imperium-wide. The Arbites hate them because every time someone gets greedy and tries to counterfeit or sell to Chaos the others team up to sell them out for brownie points. The Imperial government knows they are doing things as shady as shit but they always have plausible deniability and the Arbites can't just go knocking down the door because they are the equivalent of an artificial country in international waters and they haven't broken international law. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have both, crime hotspots are probably everywhere in the Imperium.

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>>62354405
For the title of the ruler of Cherys/Kerys I'm going to suggest Aesymnetes. It was a title that kind of meant tyrant in toga era Greece. It was an elective tyranny as decided by the voters. Of course not everyone was allowed to vote, there were criteria you had to fill for that privilege. I can see the Sslyth operating in such a manner, there aren't enough of them to impose the hard rule of their law so they have to rule with consent of the masses, or at least to give the masses the illusion of that. They have no belief in "divine right to rule" or anything of the sort, they came from Commorragh for fucks sake.

Also I just like the sound of Aesymnetes and it's not too hard to imagine a snake-person hissing it out.

Many of the citizens of the station have earned the right to vote. The members of the gangs that sided with the Sslyth in their hostile take over all were given the privilege and many have earned it since. If you want to be able to vote you have to do something to benefit the station (and therefore the Sslyth). Those that can vote feel that their voices actually mean something and they have a stake in the station and it's well being, a stake that they will fight for. The non-voters typically also wish that they could vote and the ones with some get up and go will get up and earn it with service to the station, those that won't don't deserve it and probably aren't worth worrying about.

The Administatum scribes on the station (typically living near the dock yard as that's the only bit of interest or use to the Imperium at the moment) approves as it does encourage a self correcting and stable system. Or at least discourages instability even if it's obviously rigged as fuck.

>>62356502
I like the bit about voting and rights to vote, but I don't think there should be just one leader. Remember, this wasn't some organization setting out to set up shop somewhere new, it was a ragtag collection of people who'd all independently realized everything was going to shit, and figured working together to get out was better than striking out alone. As such, there wasn't a single leader in charge, but a collection of those who seemed at least somewhat capable working together because they had to. of those, three ended up becoming the main ones in charge.
Laerhi was smart and quick-thinking, having the most common sense and good at figuring out risk management- namely, how to avoid risks when possible and saddle somebody else with them when not. M'hoh was practically a savant when it came to planning and keeping complicated systems running- with the downside of being prone to overly-elaborate plans that nobody else could keep up with. Caer-Li is the "muscle" of the leaders, but while dumb by comparison, was charismatic enough to get others to go along with him, and thus was the one they tended to need to get their fractured band to cooperate with their latest escapade.
This skillset transferred to station-management well, and led to something resembling a three-part government system. Sure it's rigged and there's three figureheads to contend with instead of just one, but it's also self-correcting and stable.

>>62356502

How big is the city we're talking about? Is the port in the tens of millions? Because that's the greatest extent I can see it being.

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>>62356502
>>62356705
>Not using the name Cecrops
>The name of the snek-man who in legend brought law and order to Athens.

>>62357567
For one thing, it's not a city, it's a space station that was built within a system that was filled with resource-rich gas giants and moons/asteriod belts, but no traditional "planets." Thus, the station was built as both the main population center of the system, and the central hub for resource collection.

In other words, larger by an order of magnitude than most Imperial space-stations, to the point of being able to dock multiple cruisers at once. Considering that a Lunar-class cruiser is recorded to have a crew of 95,000, and saying this port can dock, say, four of these vessels at once, we can brutally and inelegantly (seriously, anyone who likes math should avert their eyes) just add together the crew of the four ships to 380,000, and just to keep it less blatant, round it up to "less than 500,000," as there's more personnel required for tasks like resource-collection and maintenance of docked ships.
...but again, that's very, very messy math, so maybe just abandon the conservative estimate and go for a population of about a million souls aboard. It's no hive-city, and it's not big enough to be making waves in the big picture, but it's enough to be relevant locally, and even at the most conservative estimate, that's more than enough bodies to explain why the thousand or so Ssylth that showed up were willing to play along with the masses instead of trying to just enslave them all. Not that playing liberator was their intention, but Caer-Li got into a bad situation that made him stumble into a large group of station-dwellers in horrible conditions he convinced to fight for him, and word sort of spread painting them as liberators, and they kind of got swept up in the whole thing. Sort of describes everything that's happened to them since leaving Commorragh really.

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>>62357999
Yes, but this wasn't some noble snakeman showing up to bring law and order, this was a bunch of outcasts and rejects looking to make a quick buck and going through a series of misadventures that end up with them saddled with responsibilities and the threat of consequences.

In any case, I'll get started on making the next thread, since this one's on it's way out.

>>62358106

I think all the notes should be updated though first.

>>62358131
wiki-guy's on a week-long break. I'd say I'll save stuff to the Notes page, but I'm booked tomorrow, so I'll settle for making sure we have a thread for discussions to continue in.

>>62358131
>>62358166
Also the thread's going to get saved to the archive, so we can go back and review the stuff discussed here from there.

>>62358088
My god, it's like Life of Brian + Schlock Mercenary + Ciaphas Cain + Pirates of the Caribbean with sneks. It just hit me.

>>62358364
>"Those are the best pirates I've ever seen!"
>"So it would seem..."
>cuts to a burning, cobbled-together unholy hulk of an Imperial frigate with an Eldar-vessel's stern welded on limping through space

>>62358584
>You lot are the worst Imperial governors we've ever seen.
>Ahhh, yessss. But you have heard of ussss.

-- Conversation between Imperial tithe collector and the "governors" of Charys.

>>62358004
The station was designed to do all that but when the sneks took over it was half dead. So if 500,000 it's estimated upper designed population then currently it's somewhere lower than that.

New thread >>62359978