Has all the stuff about the Terranis Krieger regiments and world gone up on the archive yet?

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>>61899944
Spacebattle-anon here, sorry for going dark for a few weeks there, I got hit with a double-whammy of school starting up again and a family reunion that combined ate all of my time. Now that the reunion's over, I'm hoping to continue the Battle of Telis sometime this week.

Considering how many threads the battle is now spread out over, I'm not sure if it says more about the sheer scale of spacebattles in 40k or how shit my writing-ethic is. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Dang it, turn my back for a few hours and the thread goes down. I'm going to try and put the stuff from the old thread on the wiki as much as I can.

Was anyone going to expand the beginning of the Enoulian War section? When should it have happened? I'm thinking some time late since it's a recent change. Possibly the Imperium thought as a species out in the Halo Stars they were too far out of the way to be involved in the galaxy's affairs until the Blood Pact and Crone Eldar showed the otherwise.

>>61900177
There's a bit of it in the Notes where it was originally proposed, but if anyone wants to stitch it all together and expand it please feel free. Would love to get more stuff off the Notes page.

>>61900177
I'm on it, as soon as class' done.

What exactly is the point of these threads? Don't you think reddit might be a bit more suited for this kind of stuff? It's really just clogging up the catalog like the other generals

>>61901688
Worldbuilding and fun.

Nobody seems to want to move. The suggestion to move things to Discord has come up once or twice but nothing has ever come of it.

The idea of posting in a format that doesn't have to constantly compete with other threads sounds nice, but I don't think a lot of anons would follow. Plus most places don't allow anonymous posting so it's not possible to float ideas on their own merits rather than ossifying into the informal hierarchy of orthodoxy that happens in almost every online community. Even if you try to keep things objective you get situations where people's opinions get more weight due to being oldfags with a lot of reputation, "known" shitposters, and so on.

The threads still produce writefaggotry and new ideas pretty consistently, which is suprising for a thread chain that is eleven days short of its second birthday.

>>61901775
Talking of shitpost, this anon (me) once came up with Fyodor and the Inquisition Coup as a sorta in-universe equivalence tabletop scenario like the Assassinorium Kill-team, with the final goal of stopping a planet cracker from blowing within the Imperial couple's throne ship instead of caving in the head of a Chaos Sorceror, and playing as the literal pantheon of the Imperium agaisnt Fyodor's discount assassins and the shit-faced underling sprining the Coup. Which is as absolute an one-sided curbstomp as it sounded, before it became its own thing.

So we absolutely are putting Terranis and LaK in this AU? It seems a bit odd but I'm all for it.

Also is the planet-chan thing an in-universe equivalent to the miss universe or the carry on films or both?

Just a bit of expansion on the Quietude thing.

They killed everyone, the men, the women, the children, making no distinction between combatant and non-combatant except for the way they killed them. The soldiers they killed where they stood with their strange weaponry, leaving eerie ashen sillhouetes wherever their weapons hit home. What they did to the civilians was worse, taking what they wanted, the brains, the spines, sometimes the internal organs, and leaving the rest. Butchered bodies half-buried under snow littered the fields and streets, at first resembling the bodies of dead animals, except for the fact that their corpses were mostly drained of blood and their wounds were made with the precision of a surgeon instead of the tearing marks of an animal. Even if they did not have enhanced senses the Space Wolves could have smelled them, reeking with that stale, clinical odor from being treated with so much antiseptics and antimicrobials that the bodies would not decompose for months and carrion birds would not touch them.

No one in the Imperium knows why the Quietude are doing this. The leading suggestion is the Olamics are taking the brains, lobotomizing them, and incorporating them into their neural network as extra processors. It would represent a twisted form of mercantilism. Throughout the history of humanity and other species people have often sought to circumvent the overexplotation of local resources by stealing them from someone else. Only in this case the resource in question isn’t gold, or wood, or land, but brains. Others point out the Quietude could easily vat-grown brains if they wished. If they do want brains, perhaps they using the memories to gather information on what the Imperium has been up to. Or, perhaps, the Quietude are having fun. They butchered the people of Ljot’s Landing because it upsets the Fenrisians and the Think Tank remembers how enjoyable it was to vivisect the members of Russ’ diplomatic team thousands of years prior.

>>61902784 (cont.)
Also, when we were discussing the Quietude last thread, it made me realize we are overlooking something. The Quietude see everyone else as talking animals, right? That's why they can't vat-grow new brains. If you vat-grown a Quietude brain they're a citizen of the Quietude and thus entitled to the rights of a citizen (including processing space, which defeats the purpose). But foreigners? They're not Quietude. You can do whatever you want to them. They have no standing in Quietude society.

It's the same kind of "they're not us, so that makes it okay" argument that every human society that has ever enslaved another has ever used, only in space with Nazi Borg.

>>61902560
Not the one who proposed it, but what I did like about the suggestion was...
- The guerilla war against the tyranids. It's a powerful image and you can only imagine that Kriegers would be the only ones insane and suicidal enough to continue sabotaging a Hive Fleet's feeding.
- Terranis' evolution as a society feels natural. You can imagine that the only people who are going to survive the tyranopocalypse are going to be Kriegers and people who have become so ded 'ard they might as well be. As well as the fact that the collapse of society is going to force the Kriegers to have to adapt to survive. It's kind of reminiscent of what happened to all those human worlds in the DaoT in a nutshell, what came out was not what went in.
- The fact that it's reintroducing conflict to Krieg. The Kriegers know who they are, know who are not them, and then these people come along who they can't decide on. And the decision of whether or not they are and what it means could mean Krieg gets another civil war.

I do agree it's a bit odd though. I'm usually not one to like putting waifu stuff in this setting (yes, shocking, I know) except Love Can Bloom due to sheer osmosis, but this seems to be written to naturally fit the setting. I am more on the fence about it than most things, but that's just me.

>>61902546
Never played Assassinorum Kill-Team, but a four-man game playing Oscar, Isha, Trajan, and Galadrea sounds hilariously good. Not to mention playing as those four would justify the huge amounts of plot armor the players would have to explain why they don't die instantly to the first person who gets the drop on them.

>>61902964
Who should have been leading the forces to retake Terranis? Where is Terranis?

>>61902560

Sugestions about Terranis and LaK

LaK has been sugested to be an in-universe holo, that toll the strugle of Terranis from a romantized point of view. Krieger-chan was the nickname of the leading actress. Because of it, people belive that Terranis-derivations are:
1-Fiction
2-Like the films(They are not)

The holo was so-succefull that the comisariat sponsored a whole line of motivational products whit planet-chans. There is cosplay, clothes, toys, pin-ups....

The Terranis-derivations are (even more)badass anti-nids kriegers.

Terranis look a lot like Krieg, but with spots of light. People actually like the Derivations.

As Derivations act a lot like Kriegers but they fight because love their family and home. And indeed Kriegers envy then.

>>61902546

Actually that can work. The attack against the Royal Couple is totally stupid. You need more than thousands of death-cult assasins to even scratch then. Of course that is the distraction. During the struggle a ragtag team discover the bomb and must stop it.

>>61904397
This. Let's keep it as a nasty little internal Inquisition civil war.

How long has it been since the siege was broken?

>>61904778

Probably some years, at most a decade. Enough time to make the history famous, but not enough to change the life in Terranis. Most people will continue to mistake Derivations with standard Krieg for a long time

>>61904397

Yeah, not so big that a campaign playing as the Inquisition force you to constantly over-the-top-ly be paranoid, but just enough so that there can be a few twists and turns the GM can put inside, to make the game interesting.

>>61904953

It can be an interesting scenario, The characters are not supposed to help the Royal Couple. They don´t need it. But they can see then around kicking ass, and then realize that there are a real danger that only they can stop. Cultist are only be the secundary theat. Comunications are down an paranoia high. The most overzealous Imperials probably think that the PJ are the bad guys. An you have the posibility to send help in the form of visions from Oscar and miracles from Isha.

>>61902964
There would have to have been more than just the one city (the one with the basilisk pub)to have tied up the 'nids for that much time. If it had just been that one settlement remaining then they would have just set up the digestion pools elsewhere, done their business and fucked off to the next planet taking the water and air with them.

The fortified city with the basilisk pub would be the most famous because it was the original site the Kriegers used when they first landed, a few miles away from where their first HQ was set up for the fortification stages of habitation of the planet, inside it's walls was where the Kriegers migrated to when they lost their HQ, it became the de facto capital due to the presence of the Kriegers when the actual planetary capital was overrun, was the site of the Inquisitional investigation that proved that they were still alive and untainted and was the sight of the first of the Imperial reinforcements touching down. To that end it was the most well documented before during and after by the rememberencers and got the films made of it.

There were other pockets of resistance. Global population of Terranis at the start of the war were at approximately 5.5 billion. At the ned the estimation was at between 7 and 10 million. Although die off had slowed down to a crawl ten years before the siege was lifted if the war had carried on for another few years they would have dropped below critical fighting capacity and it would have all been over. The reinforcements arrived as the walls of the new capital were being breached. The loss off that keystone of defiance would have been the breaking of the backs of the resistance, in truth it might have been as little as days of effective fighting with the last dregs dying in the time it takes the atmosphere to be stripped away.

Exact numbers of survivors are unknowable as centralized record keeping was not a priority and there were a not inconsiderable number of nomadic hunting bands formed

>>61905583
Such hunting parties being the remnants of broken strongholds living in the ruins of their old homes and lingering on out of bitterness and spite. Some of them would have tried to make the long march through xenomorph hell to where they last heard of healthy fortified towns that they might seek shelter in but many were simply to far away for that to be any sort of a possibility. Some of them even managed to survive to the end of the war hidden in old subway systems and the like, but not many.

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>>61905745

The landscape must be nightmarish. A mix of abandoned WW1 trenches/fortifications from coast to coast mixed with Giger's art. Beyond the city walls, there isn´t native live beyond nids... death nids. The bugs have not had time to reassimilate all the fallen. The Derivations not only defended themselves, they learned from the Hivemind and built tunnels under tunnels. They attack from the shadows. Wave attacks don´t work as they should. The nids in Terranis act differently... wary... here they are not the apex predator. They are as desperate as the natives. When finally the Imperial ships do landfall, some of the psykers swear that they can hear something strange coming from the hivemind... like fear? What is left of the nids after the counterattack rout... as trying desperately to escape.. hiding in the darkest corners of the world.

>>61903577
Towards the western half of Segmentum Ultima. They are close-ish to Tau space but not massively so. They know what the Tau Empire is but have never met anyone from it. They are where the last big wave of 'nids ran out of steam but were still dangerous enough to almost keep going.

Whoever is leading the forces of retaking the world would have some Kriegers with them as news of the Derivatives was already on Krieg thanks to the Inquisition ten years prior and they would be wanting to send their own forces to investigate first hand. Also the news of the half-breeds surviving a war pure-breed Kriegers would be hard pushed to endure would only add fuel to the growing ideological division on Krieg.

>>61905817
It wouldn't be fear as such. Probably closer to anxiousness. the objective notification of a clock counting down to resource depletion. Then the reinforcements arrive and hideously tip the balance of the scales and there is a brief moment of animal panic before coherent function of the local hive mind drops beneath the critical threshold and then it's down to every pack for themselves.

Were there/should there be any xenos on Terranis? If there is then the Derivatives probably don't have the same levels of xenophobia that the pure-born Kriegers have.

>>61899944
Is there an Ogryn-chan?

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>>61904490
IIRC, the assassination attempt was Fyodor's "well, might as well try, in for a penny in for a pound" moment. He never sent any irreplaceable personnel on it, and the intent was in the (likely) event it would fail the Travelling Court would be so busy dealing with that and be so shocked by the audacity that he and his followers would have time to slip away and go hide in the vastness of space.

It kind of worked. He got the distraction he wanted and slipped away but Isha was pissed off enough to go talk to the Carcharodons.

>>61907551
Depends on if there were any other guard regiments there at the time. Kriegers don't get along with xenos but a standard Cadian style regiment is likely to have eldar guardian auxillaries.

Agree on the fear thing. Tyranids don't get afraid. At most they get hangry and anxious they haven't fed.

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>>61908911

Any surviving Xeno in Terranis must be a one-of-a-kind badass guy(Think O'Kais). They were in minory and then come the apocalipsis. To quench the xenophobia he must be a well-know hero, who do something pretty overthetop and survive(Several times).

>>61901775
>Even if you try to keep things objective you get situations where people's opinions get more weight due to being oldfags with a lot of reputation, "known" shitposters, and so on.
One think I've really loved about this is that most of our namefags only do that when posting drafts or finished work, and otherwise are just other anons contributing to discussion

>>61907551
At 5.5 billion wasn't big enough for there to be a normal Eldar Enclave and eldar are the 2nd most populous species in the Imperium. If there was an eldar population it would probably be eldar but they would be very much a minority.

However 5.5 billion with cities over a thousand years old would result in a hrud friendly environment. The humans would probably not even have been aware of them until the 'nids drove them out of their holes. Then humanity would have an ally. How useful the hrud are is another question.

>>61910419
As one of the writers, I can say that I also enjoy only using names when posting finished works- it takes a lot of pressure off for the rest of the interactions in the thread. Being just another anon instead of "the guy who wrote that story" means not having to worry about expectations made based on previous contributions, if that makes sense.

also it means less nagging about "how much longer until you finish X?" or "Can we get some more Y?"
>>61910523
>How useful the Hrud are is another question
The Hrud would be a godsent on Terranis once the siege begins, because they essentially grant the human populations immunity to Tyranid infiltration. Hrud are established to be very good at sniffing out Genestealer cults, with many of their seemingly random killing sprees being revealed to be eradication of a genestealer presence, which on a world where the Hive is getting desperate because the usual maximum-efficiency tactics aren't working would start seeking alternate means of disrupting the local defenses.

>>61910636
I like it for essentially the same reasons.

And on the Hurd, Kriegers might be standoffish at first, but with Tyranids bearing down anything to track and eliminate another vector of their attack and spread. By the time of the Dreivitives a Hurd purge of an entire base would be applauded as righteous judgement visited upon the swarm, though that would be rare indeed after all they Derivatives would have learned about genestealer hunting.

On the note of humans and other galactic life holding the tyranids in a straight fight, we still need some kind of piece on the Men of Stone. I've had some ideas I've been playing with, and am gonna try putting them into text for the thread in a bit. It will probably break into a historical species part involving the bioengineering and extreme variety in the GaBHD era, then a section on current Imperial 'base' humans and Abhumanism and their capabilities. I'm under the impression that as well as adaptability and mutability that modern humans lack, Men of Stone are longer lived, hardier, somewhat improved in strength and endurance, granted an immune system that can survive a galaxy worth of common illnesses, etc. as the universal settler and citizen of the GaBHD's interstellar expansion.

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>>61910985
Adding my vote for Hrud. Hrud have also been mentioned to be quite defensive of their homes like the time they dropped a singularity on an invading Chaos warband's heads. Tyranid invasion would be enough to force them to get their heads together. Quite frankly after 10k years there are probably more Hrud in the Imperium than Eldar, it's just the Hrud never officially joined the Imperium and counting them is a text in futulity.

>>61910985
If that's the case will try to get the Man of Gold synthesis done as well so we can get both ready to go at the same time.

>>61910985
It's less the purging of an entire base and more border-screening at entrances and routine inspections. Think how the humans had dogs at all the checkpoints in "Terminator" to screen for infiltrators, only instead of just being an alarm system the Hrud play an active role in removing the threat.

Once, at the beginning, the defenders were angry and on edge whenever the Hrud would suddenly and violently pulp a seemingly random person on the spot. Then they started getting the reports of outposts devastated by someone seemingly going rogue, of genestealers passing as human long enough to weaken defensive lines right before a Tyranid attack, and of parasite forms that would latch on to a host without them ever knowing, showing no signs before they spontaneously erupted with dozens of tiny chittering lifeforms eating their way out from inside the unsuspecting host.
The Hrud have learned since then too. Rather than the immediate violence towards the affected, they just glide into the mess hall or the barracks and gently tap the unfortunate soul on the shoulder, and the message is clear. They whisper quiet goodbyes and distribute their gear, then stand up and leave with the Hrud, the rest of their gear being returned for sanitation later.
Their bodies cannot be recycled into food for their remaining fellows- Untainted organic matter is at a premium, but they are no longer untainted. Instead, their biomass is used to make Saltpeter and bait for traps against the roaming hunters, a primitive system that nevertheless allows them to aid their comrades one last time, screaming defiance against the tide of flesh from beyond the grave in one last brilliant flash of fire and force and spite, a gout of light against the darkness before fading to ash and smoke that are useless to the all-consuming foe.

More quotes for the quote mine.

“I sometimes try to reassure myself that we live in a sane, just, reasonable universe. Then I remember that we once lost a planet because some Crone bitch was going through relationship issues.”
-- Colonel Ismerelda Guerregia, circa 400.M33

"You see a lot of things happen to people in this business. Things that no one should have to see done to others, much less experience themselves. You can gird your heart all you want. You can tell yourself that there is nothing you could have done. You can tell yourself they died for the greater good. You can try to tell yourself at least they didn't suffer. But the truth is, when you finally decide to tell yourself the truth, is that they were people. And they didn't deserve to die like that."
-- {Redacted}, Radical Inquisitor

I was thinking for the latter the implication was that this was someone who was so broken down by seeing person after person die horribly that they ended up sliding into radicalism in an attempt to keep more people from dying, but I couldn't find a canon Inquisitor who fit. Most radical Inquisitor's problems tend to be they are too harsh rather than being too sentimental.

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>>61908894
Yes. How could there not be.

Also within half an hour of the creation of the [planet_name]-chan motivational project the Commissariat demanded the male equivalent be created. Thankfully this was after Cain got transferred to being an ambassador or he would have ended up being Mr Valhalla or Valhalla-kun (I have no idea about Japanese honorifics, please correct me if I just done fucked up).

>>61913474
Inquisitor Eisenhorn. He went radical one perfectly rational decisions at a time and I think we decided that in this AU his life was not very different beyond that he now also has the Rubric followers of Ahriman after him as well because of Cherubiel. Ahriman's followers do summon deamons, this is known, they don't typically bind them into hosts to last longer. They don't want them to last longer. They want them to do what they are told and then fuck off or else. When a Rubric wants information from a deamon they summon it and then slam it's fingers in a desk drawer until it becomes cooperative. Eisenhorn intentionally summoned Cherubiel and then intentionally kept it in the material world to use as a guard dog (and because he daren't let it go but that's not their problem).

Eisenhorn has been captured or at least encountered in a non-combat capacity a few times since he went off the deep end. That could have been something he said. He has lost a lot of friends.

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Pic is still related for Eisenhorn

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>>61910636
It's not that the Hrud aren't useful, it's that they aren't reliable workers. They don't keep timetables, they kind of follow orders but their attention span is not brilliant and the only ones who they make any effort to obey are the tribal elders of their kind. The elders can ensure that there is one obedient hrud at the checkpoints and gatehouses at all times but they can't guarantee that it's the same one so you're constantly having to train new staff. Also the space folding thing they do is unnerving as balls to watch and they are secretive little bastards by nature and people used to complain that they never took the hoods off to be identified but then one day after much asking one did and it was a fucking horrifying cross between a xenomorph and a cockroach. After that people stopped asking them for facial identification. Not that identifying them is needed to ensure that they aren't tainted, there has never been a documented case of a hrud/gene-stealer.

Also they steal unattended things. Not anything of real value but they are a nuisance.

People might ask why they are bothered about 'Nids. Hrud can fold space around them to a degree that they can slip between a closed door and a door frame. If they could easily slip around any tyranid organism. The problem is that the Hive Fleet takes the air and water and everything else living when they leave a planet and Hrud need to breathe same as everyone else.

The Terranites still have no idea exactly how many Hrud are on Terranis beyond "more than we thought". Before the war they thought there weren't any so that's not very helpful.

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>>61913986
As a rule, the Hrud aren't reliable. However, Terranis is possibly the only instance in which they make an exception to that rule. They're not workers, of course, they're not helping maintain the equipment and by and large they're still oily and evasive as all hell to the point where even vague estimates of the local numbers are impossible to form. The caveat is that any Hrud's number-one priority is the survival of the Hrud, and when faced with Tyranid Armageddon, the survival of the Hrud is directly linked to the survival of the human populace.
They can't get ordered out on scouting missions, but they still show up and warn about incoming Tyranid waves. They can't be ordered to mann the checkpoints, but they tend to hang out by them anyways, sometimes only revealing their presence when they detect an infiltrator. They are not organized beyond the loosest interpretations of the word, but they are creatures inclined to flight before fight who have nowhere to run, and that desperation if nothing else leads them to be more helpful than their kind usually are.

Also the fact that everybody is wearing gasmasks all the time helps mitigate the S'saak; doesn't stop it completely, since it's not entirely physical, but does enough to slow it down that the normal rotations of the garrison keep most of the troops from suffering more than minor side-effects.

>>61913986
IIRC, hrud can get infected by genestealers. That's why they're so concerned about hunting them down, they're at greater risk of being infected than most non-underhiver humans because they live in the underhives, right where the genestealers like to hide. The fact that they also need air and water to survive is also true, but nobody knew that genestealers were the vanguard for the tyranids until Behemoth showed up.

If a hrud did get infected, most human probably wouldn't notice given the way they normally look, but hrud would be able to tell the difference instantly. That said, a purestrain would have to catch a hrud first, and given the hrud's abilities as escape artists and the entropic field they emit humans are usually the easier targets.

>>61916146
Just because there has never been a documented case of a hrud gene-stealer doesn't mean there hasn't been one. It just means that the Imperium is bad at spotting them. In part it's because Hrud already look weird and how would you tell, in part it's because Hrud are good at hiding and so presumably would be the hybrids and in part it's because the other Hrud are very good at spotting them and kill them immediately.

Also and thankfully it's probable that the unnatural space folding trick was the last gift of their dead god to help them linger and keep them safe. Hrud-stealers probably can't do it.

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>>61916304
In a way, the fact that the Hrud are so repulsive and reviled makes the fact that the Terranites are practically cordial with them an even greater source of discord for the pure Kriegers. It's not just any filthy xenos that they're accepting of, but the one considered more pest than people by the majority of people in the Imperium.

As for the Terranites, anyone who survived the Hive Fleet by their side is all right by them, and the fact that the Hrud would bring them information that normally would have cost them precious lives and kept their strongholds secure goes a long ways towards fostering good sentiments. They're all brothers and sisters of the muck and filth, after all, and the tunnels that became many of their bases of operations were once the Hrud's homes.

More interesting is how the Hrud of Terranis were affected, and how the rest of the Hrud would see them. The rest of the galaxy might not notice the difference, but to the rest of the Hrud the Terranis stock probably seem reckless and borderline suicidal.

Speaking of tyranids, I was working on an idea for Hive Fleet Kronos.

Hive Fleet Kronos seems to be one of the things people like from 8th Ed, and in this case is a good thing because it shows the tyranids interacting and reacting to the galaxy rather than being passive devourers.

In keeping with our portrayal of the Hive Fleet as interstellar apex predators I was thinking Kronos in this timeline evolved from the remnants of Hive Fleet Leviathan that came across Shadowbrink. I was trying to write the battle so the eventual throwdown read like a fight between two giant oceanic predators in a nature documentary or horror movie: two predators come across each other in the gloom, fight so hard that the water becomes murky with blood and chum, and when the froth finally settles only one is left standing. However, I wasn't sure how to handle the events leading up to the battle without just copy-pasting from canon Shadowbrink.

>>61918599
Here's what I had for the description of what happened post battle.

As the battle raged on, space travel in the region became impossible due to the combined effects of Warp Storms and the Shadow in the Warp, stirring up the Materium and Immaterium alike like frothing water during a feeding frenzy. However, when the interstellar chum finally settled, only one force was left standing, and the splinter of Hive Fleet Leviathan, now Hive Fleet Kronos, set out to plague the galaxy.

Unlike most other Hive Fleets, Hive Fleet Kronos does not appear to be following the standard tyranid strategy of “consume and grow”. Instead, they seek out areas of high Warp exposure, often ignoring less defended systems except in the event on which they run low on biomass. Once there, they butcher all they find within the region’s influence, before using an abnormally strong Shadow in the Warp to actually close Warp rifts shut. Hive Fleet Kronos has evolved an abnormal tolerance to Warp exposure, allowing them to gain sustenance from worlds that would poison or corrupt other Hive Fleets. They have become a specialist predator, tailored to hunting down the Ruinous Powers and their followers rather than simply eating everything in sight.

This has come at a price, however. Kronos is notably smaller and slower at absorbing biomass than other Hive Fleets (thought to be a tradeoff due to their much stronger Shadow in the Warp), produces much fewer genestealers, and often struggles when not facing its preferred prey. Much like how some insects develop specialized castes who sacrifice their wellbeing for the good of the colony despite being sterile or unable to feed, Kronos appears to be an entire Hive Fleet specialized for such purpose, stamping out Chaos corruption in order to give the rest of the Hive Fleets an easier time feeding.

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Tried to make the Mon-Keigh entry on the Notes a little bit more formal so it can be used as a codex entry. Thoughts?

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>>61921234
did we ever decide who's soulstone he was shedding a golden tear for?

I think someone way back suggested Sreta Ulthran managed to be fairly heroic in the midst of an assassination attempt or attack on either Taldeer in the midst of labor or the Imperial couple and the traveling court that occurred near midnight of new years at the turn of the millennium, and it was hers.

>>61919496
looks good, a few edits to remove repetition in the last paragraph might help it flow, overall a good addition to the historical section

>>61921445
Will do.

Any more ideas on the Enoulians? We need to beef up the beginning of "Another War for Nothing" to describe to the reader who the Enoulians are, since we are writing tongue in cheek like the reader doesn't know about vanilla!40k.

>>61921317
I like that idea since Sreta is one bad bitch that needs more to do, but on the other hand I think her dying hasn't happened yet.

Maybe we could come up with a handmaiden of Isha? They're badasses and deserve a named character, even if it's one that must fall for a noble cause and inspire future generations.

>>61922335
Their hokeworld would have extensive river systems and bogs and lots of cloud cover. The Enoulians like a nice warm and damp environment. That they foundered an Enoulian Benevolent Commonwealth probably shows that they were more peaceful than warlike in their pre-spaceflight era

>>61922427
I'd go with it being a handmaiden. Sreta is too useful alive for potential future shenanigans.

Question:
When did the dark wedding happen?
I need to know for a history, but my timetable maybe dont work.

>>61924848
A few hundred years before 999M41 at most. There are still substantial populations of former Commorites in the Craftworlds who identify themselves as Rehab Eldar. Assimilation and adaption has not happened yet but it is happening and life is considered getting back to normal now in The City of Sins, although a different type of normal.

>>61924848
>>61924974

Thanks! That give me more than enough margin.

Does the Imperium knows about Daemoncubaela? What is Oscar's and Isha's opinion on those, and the little shit Honsou?

Has they sicced the Sharks on those fucker too?

Ok. This is the beginning of the history about Ephrael Stern than I want to write. I let her origin deliberately vague. The only thing that I have included is that she was tortured by DE. If the anons like it, I will continue. This is more or less a finished draft.

Daemonifuge/ND - Prologue
https://pastebin.com/e9M0gJSm

So. Critics. Objections. BLAMing.

>>61924848
IIRC we had it as midnight on 999.M40. Malys called the 12th Black Crusade right after as her little wedding present to herself. Though I don't know what fluff specifically would be affected if we move it up. It would mostly affect how old Alith Anar and Yvraine are I think.

>>61925878
The Daemoncubaela are a perversion of everything that Isha and her Disciples stand for, they are abomination perpetrated by the worst of the damned and forsaken. They wre invented at least as early as the Great Crusade but probably not in the Eldar Empire before The Fall but only because there was no point to them at that time. Their practice has been resurrected or reinvented several times down Imperial history and employed by other mad men, Fallen Warsmith Honsou and Dr Bile not least among them.

Sadly they are almost universally kept at secure locations deep inside enemy territory and as such can't be assaulted directly by the likes of The Sharks. They have to be taken out with finesse and discretion and a great deal of intelligently guided cunning which The Sharks are not known for. Base animal cunning refined to a dark art yes, finesse and discretion not so much.

Uriel Ventris the Younger, his best friend Pasanius Lysane and a rag tag band of multi-chapter Space Marine specialists (chosen for their prowess at underhanded, boot to groin, elbow to eye-socket, knee to neck dirty fighting and dishonourable combat) went on a jolly romp through Medrengard on what was considered a suicide mission to destroy a Daemoncubaela facility. After the mission the Inquisitor responsible vanished at the borders of Ultramar under very suspicious circumstances.

That is the exception. Mostly they can't be assaulted. Honsou is an asshole and some degree of tactical genius, it's just that he makes the sort of mistakes that must be a result of a subconscious desire to die.

Honsou isn't affiliated with any known god and just seeks power wherever he can get it with no danger to himself or at the least only minimal and acceptable risks danger. He admits no authority greater than himself, which is why he operates as an independent side show to the Black Crusades rather than as an actual part of it.

>>61926501
He wasn't one of the original sinner in the War of the Beast, he's a more recent convert from either the Iron Hands or one of their off-shoots, despite this he is mostly organic indicating that he ran away whist still at a quite low rank. No chapter will admit having once called him brother so actually figuring out how old he is isn't easy. Some small time after the Civil War it is assumed as he claims to remember the coronation as a childhood event and got a commemorative mug but he could be a lying piece of shit.

He has commissioned Dr Bile for work in the past and has made use of New Men (that he got a discount because they were a new and experimental batch) implanted with cloned gene-seed from the Mk2 Astartes almost certainly plundered from dead Black Templars. The New Men were in fact the more reliable standard batch, the experiment, unknown to Honsou, was seeing if the curse of bad luck would follow a space marine who wasn't a clone but was using cloned implants. It didn't seem to with no worse luck than everyone else in Honsou's employ thus indicating a confirmation to Bile that yes indeed the artificial organs are demi-cloned from the Man of Gold. He suspected as much but could never prove it to his own satisfaction.

Honsou does use deamons, but only for pre-agreed and extremely simple contracts. Or if he can he employs a sorcerer to beat them into obedience. He prefers to deal with the Soul Forge denizens as they tend to understand straightforward deals easier and are more likely to stick to them

Rumour has it that he has done some experiments involving stolen C'tan Necrodermis from one of the Void Dragons orphaned shards. He and Bile may also have been doing experiments and sharing notes on trying to stabilize the Oblitorator Virus, although what useful results if any they have had are anyone's guess. What is known is that in his latest raid he had a lot of Oblitorators in his army and his cybernetics could regenerate from extensive damage.

>>61926432

So... Yvraine will be old be the time of the13th. A Milf/Granny with childs/grandchilds? Because that will be even better for my history!

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>>61926681
She will have done some considerable time out of the Dark City. Centuries of life on the Craftworlds following the teachings of the Aspect Temples and further centuries being a potato farming Exodite occasionally being asked to assist the Inquisition.

As a craftworlder she would have had access to longevity treatments. She probably won't see the full 4,000 years she could expect because she would already be some way into her natural life expectancy and had undergone some shit by the time she left the Dark City.

In those centuries on the craftworld and in those centuries as an Exodite there is absolutely nothing stopping her from having had a family or two. Those kids would have grown up and left years ago.

>>61926828

Thanks!

Ok, something more like elven milf than a wrinkled old woman. He lives in Halathel and maybe he has some(grow) children living in the neighborhood. She lives mostly alone, except when her husband/lover/mate/BFF come back from his decade-long hunt around the planet. He is pretty happy attending her plot and training the local youngsters(They love her). Occasionally a farseer come to pestering her about weird visions about her fighting side by side with Lelith(Yeah right). And then one day, this solitary girl come asking her who a wich fight...

>>61927208
Eldar don't really age normally. The hit their physical prime at somewhere between 30 and 40 years and just stay there. They don't degrade with age until a few moths, if even that, before it's time to shut down and die.

There seem to be only two where this is an exception. One is Sreta who looks old but that is because of health issues brought on by either illness or someone poisoning her.

The other is Eldrad Ulthuran who is a freak of nature and has lived for about 3X the upper life expectancy of a normal eldar on the best longevity treatments and nobody knows why, he doesn't know why. But he looks old, his skin is lined, his hair is white, his eyes have gone grey and his skeleton has almost completely crystalized. But this might not be "age" as such so much as some Empire era medical procedure running out. He still operates physically at peak performance, at least for now.

If Yvraine is a few thousand years old she will still look in her prime.

>>61927531

I was thinking more in terms of personality. She is a matured individual with a more seated lifestyle. She is less interested in the wider universe and it feels harder for her to relate with the youngsters. Basically an adult. Somebody who look to horror her old wych "dress" and think "What the hell i was thinking?"

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>>61927721
>>61927208
Would she even be capable of making long term relationships with people after growing up in The City of Sins and all the shit that happened? I can see her having severe trust issues.

On the other hand eldar, it has been noted, don't often go in for life long marriages. Oscar and Isha being an exception. Eldar live for centuries, the probability of them having an irreconcilable falling out is far greater, especially given the nature of the eldar in general. To this end it's seen as fairly typical for eldar to separate after few centuries to a thousand years.

If Yvraine has had children it is probable that the father is now not with her. If she has had more than one family it is doubtful that they are all to the same father. Her use for a father to her kids is to take care of her during the pregnancy, help her raise the kids to adulthood, encourage them to go make their fortune in the world with the offering of direction and good advice and then to politely get out of her house. Total relationship time ~50 years, not very long for an eldar. It doesn't follow that they part ways on bad terms but they do part ways. She may have gotten a reputation because of the number of men she goes through (not one of which she had ever legally married) with the more puritan eldar calling her a dirty cheating slut. She isn't, she's a serial monogamist.

She also hasn't been raised in the traditions of craftworld life so although she approves of the Temple of Isha in principle and the effects that it has on society she wouldn't entirely understand it. Pic related, the reaction to her eldest daughter telling her that she's going back to the craftworld to become and Acolyte of Isha. She calmed down eventually.

>>61926681
>>61926828
>>61927208
I was thinking something like in the Eldar equivalent of 30s, not old but not young either, older than the likes of Sreta, Yriel, or Iyanna but much older than Taldeer. Her face is rather lined but that's less due to age than having seen so much shit ij her life.

Dark Eldar do have their own medical technology (most are virtually immortal as long as they don't get themselves killed), and as a member of a Wych cult Yvraine would have had access. It would be the period between being kicked out and ending up in Biel-Tan that would be the big question.

>>61928586
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Spending so much time in a Wych cult in Commorragh she may have trouble making relationships with anyone.

The Dire Avenger exarch of Biel-Tan (who is implied to be the canon counterpart of the Visarch) is implied to have feelings for her, which might be enough for him to break his single-mindedness, rip off his armor, and become an autarch.

>>61926432
The actual exodus probably happened after the Crusade about the time of the Badab War given Biel-Tan and a few other Craftworlds were able to use the information the refugees bargained for their freedom to launch raids into Commorragh (until Commorragh changed the locks), which means they would have had to do so soon enough that Commorragh wouldn't have changed the password but late enough that they weren't occupied with the 12th Black Crusade (which seems to have been one of the biggest, though the Dark Eldar were not participating at that time).

>>61923984
I think Sreta dying was part of the midnight attack on Taldeer and LIIVI, not on the royal couple, and the idea had been that despite her profit driven, controlling and haughty attitude, and personal tiff with Taldeer, she puts her power and fortune all on the line, and gladly loses it fighting, when the time comes to really show the quality of her soul.

>>61929888
another part of it is that putting that death at midnight on new years, the setting's present day, theres plenty more time for her to get other stuff done prior, and the era after that death can involve whatever shenanigans the DM wants to have, including her return by Ynnead's grace.

>>61927721
Imaginr her meeting one of the edgy teenage Craftworlders. Especially if they mistake her for another "backwards" Exodite.

>>61930645
Yeah, I think we decided to have her alive by 999.M41. Her dying in a midnight attack by Sapiens Supremis is possible, and an interesting butterfly, but like everything else may not be guaranteed.

>including her return by Ynnead's grace.
"Mo~om, do I have to ressurect her?"
"Yes, you do."
"*grumbles* the things I do for friends of the family."

>>61926828
I'm going to suggest that she's had 4 children. First 2 were to her first real partner when she took some time off the Path of Avenger to peruse Path of Motherhood. It was a thing that she never could have done in the Dark City and she wanted to give them an upbringing she never had. Eldest was a daughter who eventually joined the Isha Temple at the youngest possible age, has given Yvraine many healthy grandchildren. Second was a son who became a bonesinging shipwright.

Then she and her partner parted ways. He visits her sometimes.

Third child was a son. He joined the Merchant Navy like his father. They both write often, visit sometimes when their work brings them close.

Fourth was another daughter raised among the Exodites. Her father tends an orchard of fruit trees so vast and ancient they resemble a primeval forest one valley over from her turf roofed house.

The youngest daughter is Exodite to the marrow.

>>61929404
I don't think it's possible to un-Exarch someone, not even with the power of boners/true love. He didn't want her for romance, he wanted her for a new host.

>>61900334
I noticed that that Drafts page only had links to threads up to thread 63, so I went ahead and added in the links to the rest of the archived threads since then.
Or at least most of them. I didn't find a thread 64, so I don't know if that got archived or if we just accidentally skipped a number.

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>>61933285
I might be wrong, but isn't that one of the requirements to become an autarch? You have to pursue multiple Aspects to mastery and then have the self-control to turn back and realize there’s more to life than just nihilistic violence. Exarchs are just obsessed with fighting, if it doesn’t involve fighting they usually don’t care. Which is what makes them so sad. Sacrificing their life to summon the Avatar or reincarnate a Phoenix Warrior seems sad, but the even sadder truth is that by the time it gets to that point they had discarded so many of their relationships, hopes and dreams, and personality traits that there is not much left of them in the first place. Which is why they do it so readily.

Autarchs in general seem better adjusted and have more facets to their personality than just killing. In canon, any time you put an exarch in charge of something things go horribly wrong, which is why even the canon eldar stopped doing it. Which would make autarchs insanely badass, as exarch suits generally aren’t meant to come off and doing so would mean having the willpower to force it to come off. Which is probably the intent, to produce leaders of immense willpower. It wouldn't have to be love that does it, just anything that breaks the eldar OCD. We know it's possible to some degree in canon given the Visarch did it, but it's not clear if that's lore breaking or not.

It’s hard to say whether the Phoenix Lords would be considered exarchs or autarchs if they weren’t who they were. They did only pursue a single Path of the Warrior, but they carved that path and most of them retain distinct, if broad personality traits unrelated to fighting (even in canon), and had to handle more responsibilities than killing. Asurmen in particular would probably be depressed by the exarchs given his reasons for founding the Aspect Temples.

>>61933845
“I fear my teachings have been gravely misinterpreted.

When I created my Path of the Warrior, my goal was to give the eldar a means of controlling their fate. A means to fight back, yes, but also a means of discipline and self-control. Not simply an outlet to unleash their pain and rage. Let seers bicker about potential futures, but potential means nothing unless one has the will to make it into reality.

Many say that the exemplary products of the Path of the Warrior are the Exarchs. They are great warriors, high priests and heralds of Khaine, true, but they are tragic ones, having become husks powered by little more than anger and hate. I would argue the truest inheritors of my original ideals are the Autarchs. Those who have stared into the abyss itself and have had the fortitude to turn back.

After all, one cannot conquer the galaxy until one conquers one’s self.”
-- Asurmen, founder of the Path of the Warrior

>>61933830
Time fuckery, I think.

>>61928586
>>61932011

It´s feel weird that this is the only "normal" character in the setting. Family, well-adjusted, job, she isn´t somekind of epic hero an is happy with her lot in live.

>>61934169
Still started out as a Commorite; the family and being well-adjusted only came after a lot of work and bloodshed.

>>61934952

Those how boast of a "perfect" live, lie or has lived a really really boring one.

A suggested add-on for the Old Earth section talking about their mentioned hatred of Orks like how canon Terrans are terrified of Space Marines.

One notable trait of the people of Old Earth is their absolute, almost rabid hatred for Orks. The inhabitants of the human homeworld hate Orks with a ferocity normally reserved for places like Rynn’s World or Armageddon. Almost every child on Old Earth learns some form of history lessor starting with “This is how things used to be on Old Earth. Then the Orks came and ruined everything”. The people of Old Earth don’t even know how much they lost, most cultures being obliterated in the War of the Beast, only that Old Earth was cut down at the height of its rebirth and it still hurts. Although the invasion of the Beast happened nearly ten thousand years ago, orkoid spores managed to be completely expunged from Old Earth’s surface (albeit at great personal and monetary cost), and the Imperium has managed to make due with the damage the gravity whips have wreaked upon the planet; the scars run deep. It is likely if the Orks even managed to return to a state akin to the Krork in the War in Heaven the inhabitants of Old Earth still wouldn’t be able to forgive them. Orkoid tissue is utterly banned in the Sol System, something which the Druid of the Adeptus Biologis say goes beyond and into outright insanity, and for years the exhibits on the War of the Beast in the Imperial History Museum would not even depict Orks, models of famous Astartes and Guardsmen fighting against eerie faceless manikins. It took until M37 for the people of Old Earth to begrudgingly allow models of Orks in the planet’s displays of Imperial History. The Arbites still have to regularly discipline people for defacing them.

Mon-Keigh are up. Am working on getting the Enoulians up as well.

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How many of the Xenos from this list still need work to get added to this setting? Are there any we've decided not to bother with?

>>61938595
We have the whole top row, the second row excluding Xenarchs, no Yu'vath, Stryxis, Drugh, no Sslyth as far as I know, no Nekulli, no Reek, no Scythians (unless you count Ursh), no Simulacra, I think we mentioned the K'nib, and none of the bottom row have been mentioned.

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>>61938595
that Nicassar looks nothing like a flat bear

Anyone got the Thraxian and Enoulians up yet?

>>61938964
of the Xenos we havent touched yet, those bullet points give me a few ideas for some of them.

The Nekulli, Ulumeathic, and Dracolith could all be Xenos Independens holdouts, not as racial supremacist as the Q'orl but unwilling to join with the Imperium and at times hostile due to various political reasons, one example being the Dracoliths' theocracy not accepting deific foreign royalty. The Dracolith may not even be hostile on those grounds, just dogmatically opposed to organizing themselves under the Imperium.

The Reek seem like a Xenos species that was contacted by and worked with the Voidborn, and were pulled towards their mode of galactic civilization because of it, with a atavistic and ambitious outlook that meshes well with the voidborn and not the Tau empire that was expanding around them at the time of their first contact.

I'd be tempted to say the Sslyth were one of the Laer's various bio-engineered sub-castes of warrior that escaped Terra's Children. I'd been thinking the gas giant fusion candle ship would have been seeding Chaos along its path, and battalion strength clutches of Sslyth eggs left behind would definitely be a good means to that end. How they ended up aligned with Commorragh instead of Shaa-Dome would probably be a story in itself.

The noted age of the Fra'al is interesting, particularly because there's a couple of other races named for how much older they are than everyone else (Eldar and Old Ones), so it could be the Fra'al were the a post-war in heaven race and the most established in what would later become Segmentum Solar, and were Humanity's first alien contact. On the other hand, K'nib would be another relic of the War in Heaven, though I couldn't say much else.

Thyrrus seem like an interesting test of the Imperium's classification system, with an alien psychology that makes them dangerous enough to be Horribilis, but without a speck of malice or begrudgement towards Humanity or the Imperium.

>>61939351
(thyrrus cont.) They look like gastropods, and it might fit for them to be biologically or even practically immortal and regenreative. War for them might be a bruising activity that really is just an extension of political and interpersonal theater, and making peace a matter of communication and redirection.

The two sets of shapeshifters look strikingly different going by the pictures. Simulacra strike me as probable Horribilis material, but the Lacrymole could probably integrate into Imperial society and prove valuable assets, save for the vampiric traits. The Simulacra are apparently only a problem in the Calixis sector. The Lacrymole have been all over since at least the Great Crusade, it might even be worth having some retained by Horus as his preferred assassins to send into whatever gravity-well, as in canon. Then again, biomechanical vampires are already their own thing in this AU, so maybe the Lacrymole don't need to be both vampires and shapeshifters.

>>61938976
>>61938595
>Thraxian
>Listed as Dracolith
>Ghoul-bat-dragon screeching intensifies
Though to be fair, I don't think there is no description of the Thraxians or Dracolith anywhere in canon other than the Thraxians shapeshift and like to pull the vampire/Shadowrun dragon routine where they set themselves up at the stop

In regards to the Dracolith, it's interesting that there is a Heresy era race called the Kelekid who resemble draconic humanoids who regarding war as a distasteful affair and confined it to pre-determined ritual arenas. Another Tarellian colony?

We have some suggestions for the Sslyth. They're thought to be Laer relatives who said "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" when the race fell to Chaos. They were an eldar-backed state who the eldar used when they wanted to mess with other races by proxy (think Cold War), and got corrupted in part because of their connection. We also suggested they may have been the founders of the Diasporex.

Thyrrus are almost the definition of Independens. They aren't intrinsically hostile, but their psychology is so odd that they can't be reasoned with. They see fate as deterministic, and if life is a predestined drama, why not make it a fabulous one. They've been known to send wave after wave of their own soldiers at a heavily fortified position in canon for Saving Private Ryan drama and send tanks to a lightly armored position just to watch stuff blow up. It's almost like they see reality through tropes, archetypes, and plot like the Fair Folk from Exalted.

Lacrymoles might be good Horribilis, but I agree with anon that two races of shapeshifting infiltrators is a bit too much overlap. Horus using one as an assassin seems like a hell of a story.

>>61899944
when we going to flesh out the primarchs?

>>61938595
>>61939351
>>61939508
We haven't really talked about the Stryxis. I had one idea for them but I wasn't sure if it was any good: the Stryxis are what happened the the hrud astronauts.

When the Old Empire turned on the hrud several million years ago when the hrud were building ships and not agoraphobic, there were a lot of hrud ships out there who were stranded. They couldn't return to Hrud(world) or any of the colonies or the eldar would shoot them down. So they were stuck trying to find a new home, which is why the Stryxis so violently hate the eldar. Though to be fair, just about every species in the Segmentum Obscurus has some history with the Old Empire.

To survive, they ended up losing their psychic powers so as to not rot the ship and evolved into a society of haggling backstabbers to survive with such sparse resources, lying, selling slaves, etc. Essentially they are to the hrud as the Dark Eldar are to the eldar.

Of course, that was kind of the reason I wasn't sold on that. Add in the fact that we've said the Hrud don't see much purpose in distinction from one another (as in, all individuals are part of the same Hrud community, even if they act differently), and the Stryxis have a rather distinct appearance.

>>61939863
All that are left for bios are Dorn, Angron, and Fulgrim, and Dorn is the only one left open (hoping the writefags return).

Indeed, Magnus and Leman both got a little more fleshing out in the last-ish thread, Magnus what he was doing after the War of the Beast and his relationship with Ahriman, and Leman one of his self-percieved failures (specifically, turning one of his daughters into a wolf monster) that led to him becoming older and wiser.

We do need more with Magnus on what took him down a peg for the two of them to admit that the other had a point when they got over themselves after the War of the Beast (Magnus specifically developed the attitude of "psychic power is fine, but know your limits and don't make it a crutch" which you can see in the ethoses of the Ksons versus the Grey Knights). It was mentioned he had some perspective altering experiences when he saw what Chaos was fully capable of.

However, Magnymagic and Leman have gotten a bit too much focus of late compared to the other primarchs, though Magnus was around longer than most of them.

>>61939769
Maybe Lacrymoles had a high concentration of C'tan slivers around their home system and ended up developing with vampirism tied into their society, but after spreading to other stars the fringes of their society managed to get out from under vampiric domination and tried to disappear into the growing Imperium for cover. An interesting thing with a shapeshifting race is that they could potentially live within the Imperium as humans for generations, only seeking recognition when the times seemed to favor it. It would be an interesting social dilemma for the Imperium to deal with if after the civil war a population of loyal shapeshifters revealed themselves and pursued official standing. Between the massive deception and vampiric home society, and their loyal service and sanction of a primarch (presumably Horus) there would be significant debate as to how to react to their presence. It also would be an interesting counterpoint to the Lion and the Watchers.

Where the Lion was proverbially loyal, Horus pushed his own agenda for humanity in difference to the Steward's, and whereas the clandestine Xenos allies of the former were defensive and beyond reproach, those of the latter were fundamentally suspect and used in a wholly offensive capacity.

>>61939983
It would be really interesting to go into Magnus' first battle with Doombreed the Despot and the first Blood Pact, which presumably was one of those things that taught him demons had masters far greater than any summoning sorcerer. Another point would be an encounter with Be'lakor. I'm actually picturing a fairly gentlemanly meeting of the two, underwritten by massive disdain for eachother and the states of being they represent to each other, but both coming away having learned more than the other intended to give away. Be'lakor might have taken the opportunity to fill in any gaps in his own understanding of how the fuck the raid succeeded, Magnus would have been fishing for clues as to the nature of the Ruinous Powers.

Speaking of, do we have anything about the Iron Minds stealing the secrets of the third eye that is fit to go on the notes page, if it isn't there already?

Next thread's theme definitely needs to be minor Xenos

>"I heard from a contact on Mars, Jaghatai, that you do strange things to your ships."
The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. "I heard from a contact that you do strange things to your warriors."
this exchange still fits really well.

>>61941436
Mars aren't quite as dogmatic in this AU and Fulgrim isn't a sexual deviant. He's just a bit of a pompous fop with addiction problems.

>>61939186
We still still need more shit on how the Enoulians got set up and what they are and what they are like.

>>61899944
She's cute. CUTE. But why is a woman with such a rack on the battlefield when any commisar would have better taste than that?

>>61943071

She's a Derivative from Terranis - all but a Krieg unofficial colony.

It's LITERALLY KRIEG.

>>61943147

Ps: but then again don't you really want to fight to protect -dat smile-?

>>61943147
But. Boobs!

>>61943161

Yup.

But that's why she became the Commissar's assisstant, isn't it?

>>61943206
...His assistant?

>>61943227
Paperwork bearer, coffee brewer, personal bodyguard (not that he needs it)

*spoiler/* and sweet hand-holding */spoiler*

Pretty much so according to the LaK Commissar & Krieg.

>>61943239
...What about on cold Krieg nights?

Lewd!

>>61943260

Terranis is quite warm. And they're still rebuilding from the Hivefleet.

*spoiler* And producing children is a responsibility of the planet's each inhabitants.*spoiler*

>>61943300
Well then what about on the hot Terranis nights when the bulky Krieg uniform gets oh so stifling?

Oh is it?

>>61943321

There's always the swimming pool and ice-cold beer at the bar. Commissar still can't get her to wear something other than 'standard swamp warfare uniform' (reads: catachan stuff one size minus).

*spolier* not that he needs to. And the other stuff... yes on all terms. *spoiler*

...this is how you do spoilers, right? Can't seem to get it to work.

>>61943353
"Catachan stuff one size minus" explain?

I didn't understand that sentence at all.

You do spoilers by typing spoiler in these brackets; [ ] then typing /spoiler in the same brackets after whatever you want hidden.

>>61943378

Ah, that's how.

By Catachan stuffs I mean combat tank tops, ultra short pants, etc. And Catachans are built like Space Marines, so any 'baseline' humans wearing those would be too loose.

[Too lewd!/spoiler]

>>61943425
>Tank top too loose
Well I guess she'd have to tie it up then.

>>61943425
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>>61943071

Actually she is an actress(And not native), LaK is a romantized vision of the Terranis struggle. Terranis is not a nice planet, and the population has adapted absorbing the Kriegers. You can find cute Derivations (AKA People) of course, but they are not socially blind only a litte ankwar as they come from a ultra-militarized world. Of course, they can play along just for giggles.

>>61943510
Haha XD

>>61943526
Bump

>>61941258
How many sane non-imperial interstellar powers are there left? Or is that the complete list?

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>>61944505
Olamic Quietude (relatively, they aren't Chaos worshippers)
Hrud (technically, they aren't official members)
Q'orl
Dorhai (fuck Dorhai)
Kaelor
Some of the minor species mentioned.
Not a lot of human powers. Oscar is pretty determined to get humanity back together. The Quietude being too nasty to swallow being exceptions.

>>61942181
I could still see him doing it just to piss off Fulgrim. Khan probably saw Fulgrim as on a permanent ego-trip, but wouldn't be willing to make a scene unless Fulgrim started it.

>>61934169
There's also the implication Biel-Tan's exarch is going to drag her back into the mess that is galactic politics and the even stronger implication that she will be the Yoda to Ynnead's Luke. Which given she used to be a Dire Avenger and a wych the idea of a god who fights dirty like a street brawler is hilarious.

>>61944798
If Khain (murder) is the only god respected, though obviously not worshipped, in the Dark City then it would make sense that she is going to have some part in training the god of Death as she has seen this shit from both sides.

She might be mentioned in the Star Child Prophesies as a mentor, though obviously not by name.

>>61944798
>>61945119

Yep. But that is in the future, now she only really care about the farm, going to see her daughter(Optional: romp with daddy) and those beautiful sunsets. Visions and prodigies maybe are beginning to pass. The farseers begin to pester the neighbor, an old woman die and give her a strange message, the world spirit seems with fewer souls... and all of them point to her. She is probably more than a little reluctant to be dragged.

Farseer"This is your destiny"

She: "Fuck destiny"

But at the end...

Lelith: I come to join your party

She: "Fuck! Fuck!! FUCK!!!"

>>61945119
I think only the Incubi worship or care about Khaine. The other Dark Eldar see him as just as much of a weakling as Isha or Asuryan for getting sharded by Slaanesh but no one is enough of an edgelord to willing say it in earshot of the Incubi for obvious reasons. Same with Ceggers and the Harlequins, they think Ceggers is a coward but have a healthy degree of self-preservatiom when it comes to the Harlies.

>>61942181
Not a sexual deviant, but the most focused on customizing and refining Astartes modifications for his troops. Fulgrim really was doing strange technical modification of his warriors in the same way Kahn was modifying his ships. Also I don't doubt that magnificent cybercocks were part of the extra modifications Fulgrim gave his legion, paragons of the human form in all pursuits and all that.

>>61947642
I imagine The Khan of Khans calling Fulgrim out more on raising a small legion of socialites and art critics rather than a bigger legion of super soldiers.

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What are the extremes that the Imperium is willing to set up an outpost on? What is the maximum amount of environmental nope that they are willing to go to?

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>>61947642
>>61948120
Might as well post this. McNeill was too busy reiterating how they were the best at all forms of warfare to really dig into this stuff.

>>61949762
Depends on which Imperial faction you're referring to, as well as your interpretation of "outpost." Considering the Deathworlds, Cadia, and other examples, it's not necessarily a matter of ability, but of strategic importance. Within the Materium, the consideration is mostly strategic gains versus costs of establishing/maintenance; something like a listening post is low-cost enough that they'll get built regardless of environmental nope. Actual military outposts (as in stations intended to be able to launch military responses or defend locations) are much more difficult to justify setting up in bum-fuck nowhere, but it'll get done if there's priority resources nearby.

>>61949854
That definitely fits with AU Fulgrim's inner circle of transhumanists, over-investment of resources in his small fighting force, and large proportion of apothecaries due to Fulgrim selecting aspirants that fit his intelectual ideals, as well as aesthetic and martial.

>>61949762
The Daemon Breakers and Alpha/Omega Marines jointly operate a FOB in the Eye of Terror

>>61949854
So I have to ask: Istvaan. Is that system still relevant in this AU?

>>61951855
might be a good place for the first open and direct warfare between Crone and Imperial forces

>>61952132
it should be bad. So we can still call it the Istvaan disaster

>>61944798
Considering she's a god of Death, fighting dirty and mean makes sense; she doesn't waste time with theatrics and just goes straight for the kill-shot.

>>61951855
>>61952132
Strangely enough out of all the 40k alternate universes this is the only one where Istvaan has not been a significant mention.

I think in canon Istvaan was one of those planets that had a constant Chaos problem like Davin.

"Nothing good ever seems to come out of the Istvaan system"
-- Saul Tarvitz, Terra's Sons

>>61956470
It would also be the only way they would have a shot in hell of taking down Slaanesh, who has 15,000 years of experience on them.

Though isn't a Ynnead a he? Or at least a "whatever they want to be, whenever they want to be", like Loki?

>>61951287
Not Fulgrimfag, but it's even possible the Steward kept an inconspicuous eye on Terra's Sons and used them as the testbed for geneseed tweaks. Fulgrim was by far the best geneticist of the primarchs, and anything that worked might be worth incorporating into later patches. And if you have a bunch of people volunteering for experimentation, why let the opportunity go to waste. The Steward didn't officially approve of Fulgrim and Terra's Sons tampering with geneseed, but he didn't censure them either.

To be honest that's where Bile's supercancer might have come from.

>>61949762
The Imperium resettled Belis Corona in this timeline out of sheer spite after Malys burned its atmosphere away and turned it into a dead world. The fact that the lack of atmosphere made it easier to launch ships was just a side benefit.

I'm out of the loop, what's going to be the Ynnead plot of this AU?

>>61958448
Son of Isha and the Emperor and prince of the Imperium, fated to carve an afterlife out of the warp

>>61957656
I'm the guy you're replying to, and also fulgrimfag, and we're in agreement.

Do th| other [planet]-chans have films about them?

>>61957656
I'd love it if Istvaan was just another world in this AU. Sure shit goes down on the planet once in a while, but it's the Imperium, shit goes down everywhere at least once.

>>61899944
Yo but for real
why am I seeing a bit of Seras Victoria in Krieg-chan.

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>>61960717
Istvaan 3 at the time of it's discovery in the height of the Great Crusade was a prosperous world but well beneath the point where Survivor Civilization status should be considered having rediscovered fission power some thirty years before Imperial contact. They were brought globally into the Imperium by the forces of the Raven Guard without incident as he planet had been unified several generations previously by military conquest.

Which is not to say that Istvaan was a military dictatorship. Although the original forces of conquest were definitely a military dictatorship the years since were distinctly not. The original dictator remains an enigmatic figure known only as The Forgotten Tyrant, a man only seen in public wearing thick, full body covering if slightly grubby yellow robes and a porcelain mask popular in theaters several centuries prior. Beyond "probably human" (he did need to eat at least) and probably make (referred to as male and had a deep tenor) nothing is known. He spent the last twelve years of his life destroying all records of himself and ordered his body to be cremated still wrapped in his robes. There are several theories on the Tyrant's identity gleaned from old national records regarding political shifts, military spending and some grainy black and white photographs but ultimately nothing is provable or, by the time of the Imperium's contact, relevant.

In the years since the death of The Forgotten Tyrant and the years since the rebellions started to die down the dictatorship started to become rather more civilian in nature. The first successor ruled for 20 years and then started to institute elections via Electoral Council with the strict conditions that nobody on the Electoral Council could be a candidate, neither could family, friends or business associates or anyone they knew. He was voted out of office but the tradition stuck.

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>>61962404
The people of Istvaan 3 knew that they were descendants of people from another world, records had been dutifully preserved in the form of illuminated manuscripts, tapestries and masonry decorations and they had unearthed the gutted hulls of old space ships many, many years prior with some of the more intact being renovated into usuable but far more primitive structures still in use at Imperial Contact. They had been broadcasting their coordinates into space via radio waves for many years and it was only by good fortune that the Imperium and not the orks, or worse, discovered them first.

The newly elected Tyrant of Istvaan on the day they got a response from the 273rd Expeditionary Force was a relatively young Alivia Sureka, a woman who would be re-elected a further three twenty year terms before dying in office at the age of 92 as an unfortunate case of Rejuvenent Rejection. She was a pillar of calm in the jubilation of the five and a half billion populace, they were ecstatic that the old stories of Earth and the Dominion among the stars had been proven correct, she was far more down to earth in her manner and saw this as a collection of foreign nations bound under a single standard, much like her own society writ impossibly huge and wanted to ensure that her own society wasn't swallowed up and lost. There was no notion of not joining the Imperium, the common masses would not have stood for it.

By the time of the War of the Beast the Istvaan system was extensively settled with a system wide population of near thirty billion souls all ruled from the Palace of Voices in fair Choral City, that was subsequently bombed to rubble and the city suffering a 96% casualty rate. There were Chaos Cults on the planet that later traveled to the other habitations in the system, some of them predating The Forgotten Tyrant, and in those days they came out of the shadows like insane, starving rates.

>>61961575
Both are hellishly CUYTE.

Both can easily rip you a new one with one-hand in the time it took you to say it.

[spoiler Totally worth it /spoiler]

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>>61962688
Istvaan is one of the few cases in the Great Crusade where the Croneworlders operated openly, willingly, delighting in getting their hands dirty. Their atrocities were brutal and merciless, showing a capacity for unending and sustained cruelty beyond what a sane human could understand or even comprehend. The bones and bodies of slain civilians arranged in impossible shapes miles wide, scaring the fabric of reality so deep and so vast that it's effects were visible from orbit and not all of those bodies had done screaming.

Tyrant "The Baron" Vardus Praal and his Warsinger bodyguards had by cunning and good fortune escaped from the capital city when it became clear that saving it was not a realistic or even possible option and when the unholy hymns of torment were screamed by the tortured in the carcass ring about the cities ruins he and his followers were responsible for it's disruption. The warsingers were trained to perceive the warp as a form of music and could spot the recurring patterns in the songs and see the effects that they were having in the warp. Then they added their own and the feedback finally gave an ending to the tortured civilians and burned the Chaos Eldar who were orchestrating the symphony. Of Tyrant Praal? The surviving Chaos Eldar knew what he had done, knew where he and his warsingers were. Maybe they wanted to take him alive to make an example, maybe they wanted to draw it out for fun. He didn't give them the option, as the last of his warsingers fell and he looked down at the foot of pitted and rusted steel blade sticking out of his chest and felt the hot and sticky breath of something unspeakably evil on the back of his neck the rigged plasma-bottles in the ammunition stores went off and gave him one hell of a funeral pyre.

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>>61962884
Istvaan 3 was eventually retaken by the Imperium. A few million survived in the outposts in the further orbits away from Istvaan 3 itself, a few tens of thousands on the capital planet were left fighting or hiding or dying slowly.

In time the cities were rebuilt, the fields resown, the outposts re-established, new armies trained and new ships were launched but the scars remained. It was a long, long time before Istvaan recovered fully and for a very long time afterwards half completed rituals were uncovered, heaps of unexploded munitions dug up, deamons bound and driven mad by time and isolation discovered and son, so many unclaimed bones.

Down the long march of years the Istvaan system has produced soldiers beyond counting, loyalty beyond question and competence beyond doubt. The world itself is green again, it's skies once more blue. There have been attempts both subtle and overt to bring the planet to ruin, many and varied, down the long count of years and always such attempts fail. The planet spits in the faces of dark gods and humbles and breaks their followers, it endures as spite and insult to them and dares them to return. The population of the planet as of 999M41 is approximately 12 billion and produces many fine soldiers and many cunning Inquisitors. As the Imperium marches towards Judgement Day it is known that Istvaan will do it's part, retribution and duty both demand it.

>>61961575

Fuck! Is true! There was something irking me about that image!

>>61958698
Potentially. The Starchild Prophesies are a tangled mess of maybes and could bes and might bes and should bes many of which are contradictory.

Ynnead might be the first (or second) of the new-kind that will be both eldar and human and replace both.

Or it might be new soul for Khain the bloody handed, who will also wield a Sword of New Dawn and ride in a great Chariot.

It might make a new realm in the warp for the worthy dead or it might be the ferryman to Isha's Garden.

Or it could be the end of all things that destroys all things born form Vect and Malys. Or Malys and Oscar. Or Nurgle and Isha. Because bad endings have a the potential to be very bad.

All that is known is that The Impossible Child will be born. It will wield Death. It will be called Ynnead.

Also the Dragon will slip it's chains of it's blood red cell and declare war upon the halls of the The Forge.

The Olympus Mons inner circle have not told anyone about the Dragon they have chained up in the basement and they really should have.

I remember it being said somewhere that Kryptmann's father was a 'retired' abiter right?

>>61964285
Semi-retired. Tyrannus had limited contact with the greater Imperium because it was a backwater nowhere place. The extent of it's contact was one semi-retired Arbiter, one astropath and a small AdBio marine research station.

If the Arbiter was Kryptman's dad then he would have to have been retired even if he picked up a job in the local government that amounted to the exact same thing. Arbiters don't get married or engage in real relationships with the locals because if shit hit's the fan it could result in a conflict of interests.

But it's like with the Nobledark Ultramarines (based on the Roman Legionaries), this rule is often bent because people are people. Half the ultramarines have unofficial wives. Half the time it's the company Chaplain who performs the ceremony and then conveniently forgets about doing so.

It's not ideal, but it works.

>>61961575
Because all anime looks like the twins from Hellraiser.

>>61963601
At this point the AdMech are too deep with the lies to ever come clean. If Oscar ever finds out the truth he's going to have a hard time ever fully trusting them again, seeing as they kept a FUCKING C'TAN secret from him on the planet right next door to his homeworld. Even if their motives for doing so were good, keeping the thing from threatening anyone else by burying it as deep as possible, and the two would be on the same page if Oscar knew what the Mechanicus knew, that is still the Omnissiah of all security breaches. Someone even used that as leverage over the AdMech (namely, that Oscar might just decide "fuck subtle" and Exterminatus Mars because imprisoned C'tan might actually outweigh AdMech)

And other bad stuff. There's a passage which no one can understand but from outside context clearly means the Outsider is going to wake up. And we've mentioned the possibility of him doing a fusion dance and becoming the Avatar of Malal due to their similar thought processes and compatible states (one with almost no warp reflection, the other with almost no realspace presence).

>>61961575
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. Almost mentioned it earlier.

>>61963026
I like it. It twists the out-of-universe "you thought something big was going to happen here didn't you" while still making it sound important in its own right even if it isn't the site of a huge betrayal. And the portrayal of a human colony dealing with their origins is interesting.

Also the discovery of what happened on Istvaan by its later inhabitants is one of the most disturbing things I read from this AU in a while. It would almost be like finding the house you lived on for decades was buried on a mass graveyard and the site of an unfinished ritual. Creepy as hell.

>>61963601
The fact that the sword is almost certainly the scythe, the Nightbringer's weapon of choice/inertialess-drive flagship that was stolen and crashed by Khaine, is an interesting detail.

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>>61967257
Or the sword could be The Dawnblade held by General Farsight that has been noted as looking kind of like an eldar blade in design, but of an older design no longer fashionable.

The Chariot could be the flagship but the Chariot could also be the Blackstone Fortress the Tau are prodding with no idea about what it is.

The Scythe of the Nightbringer (ship) might be nothing but a ship.

Somehow Khaine is going to confront Khorne. Not in a dispute over theological minutia via proxy followers and priests but by physically treding the umbral plains, killing the doorman, kicking in the doors of the Skill Fort and declaring "you're in my seat, boy!" but how he gets there is uncertain. Maybe he uses the Nightbringer's ship, maybe he uses a Blackstone Fortress or maybe he bullies the Grey Knights into letting him borrow the webway gate Oscar once used. Whatever the case two gods fight, one god survives, everything else is up in the air.

>>61967147
Istvaan never built a religion about their origins. They were religious as anyone else but oddly they were very matter of fact about the nature and shape of the universe in relation to stars and planets and such. They knew that they never lost that knowledge, they just couldn't do anything about it.

If you've ever seen Babylon 5 and the episode Deconstruction of Falling stars, it's like that. The monks were preserving history. They were religious men but the whole thing about the nuclear war, the interstellar alliance and the Rangers was just history. History that needed preserving. Pic related.

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>>61967826
*Cough*Avatar of Khorne on Altansar*Cough*

I had actually been thinking a bit about how Khorne and Khaine view one another.

We’ve described Khaine’s behavior in the past as sounding very similar to bipolar disorder due to his conflicting portfolio that he never really resolved. It’s not actually bipolar disorder as defined by mortals given the massive difference between how gods and mortals work, but the resulting symptoms are comparable to bipolar. Even when he tried to reign himself in after he got Eldanesh killed, his behavior is that of someone who is off their meds and is “totally fine. Seriously. Stop asking”, even though he clearly is not. On the one hand you have Khaine the God of War, who is obsessed with the glory and sensation of war and the rush of battle, while Khaine the God of Murder is self-loathing, depressed, and acutely aware of what he is. Or maybe it’s the other way around, with Khaine the God of Murder being a bloodthirsty savage while Khaine the God of War is more brooding, thoughtful, and aware that violence is not always the correct answer to a question. The difference is kind of like if the Roman and Greek interpretations of Mars/Ares were seen by the same person. Mars may be likeable and more responsible if a bit abrasive and moody, but Ares is just a dick.

Link related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdhveixpV24

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>>61968956
Khorne sees Khaine as a flawed first attempt to his later perfection. Khorne was created by combining the essence of Khaine, and Gork and Mork, and all the other war gods of the Children of the Old Ones. He is the master of a thousand forms of war from hundreds of species, the essence of war distilled, perfected. Each style can cover for the flaws of another, giving Khorne more strength than the sum of his parts, and none of their component weaknesses. The fact that Khaine includes murder in his portfolio is seen as evidence of this (The thing with the mushrooms was a fluke. Honest).

Khaine sees Khorne as being too full of himself and lacking self-awareness. Yes, Khorne may have stripped himself of all the “impurities” that characterized the other war gods, but he seems to have lost something in the process. He treats war like a grand spectacle, but has completely forgotten about why people go to war (or more importantly why most people try to avoid it). He is completely focused on the glory of war, the slaying of enemies, the winning of accolades, and has completely forgot that war is horrifying to those most who are not immortal, invulnerable, or an ork. Yes, Khaine has murder in his portfolio, war is murder, and if you forget that you become as bad as the monsters you’re fighting.

And beyond that, when it comes down to a fight, Khorne seems to have forgotten one important fact. Iron beats bronze.

>>61969031
And also that the Imperium will have a Lofn and an astronomican that can be used as a psychic amplifier weapon.

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Did we ever decide on what Prometheanism was like?

>>61971409
Some suggestions of the Adam Kadmon perception of God and Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity, but not much. Lot of fire symbolism though.

Okay, here is finally the Men of Gold writeup. I’m not super happy with it, but hopefully this will answer new reader’s questions when they wonder what the hell we’re talking about when we speak of the Emperor being a Man of Gold. I tried to combine this with the previous writeup that we were unable to use on the last days of the Dark Age of Technology, on the grounds that despite not fitting with the timeline the writing was awesome and conveyed most of what we were trying to get across.

The Men of Gold were possibly the greatest achievement of the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion. A psychic powerhouse created at the height of the Dark Age of Technology linking man and machine in a way that humanity had never accomplished before, and potentially never since. The Men of Gold were a race of artificial human, truly neither man nor machine but something never before seen. The divisions between the Men of Iron, Men of Stone, and other varieties of human were becoming increasingly blurry during the Dark Age of Technology, with human minds uploaded into computer processors, positronic brains of A.I. clothed in artificially grown human flesh, and everything in-between. The Men of Gold took this to an extreme, with organs manufactured in factories and plastic and metal components grown within their own bodies. With the Men of Gold, it was a very real question where the biological components ended and the mechanical ones began.

>>61974901
The Men of Gold were created to solve a very particular problem. During the Dark Age of Technology, baseline humanity was finding it increasingly difficult to communicate with the Iron Minds, whose thought processes were evolving into something increasingly beyond human comprehension. Seeking to solve the problem before communication between the two became impossible, humanity and the Iron Minds collaborated to create the Men of Gold, who were meant to bridge the gulf between the two groups. Their creation was a herculean feat, a legend of science in its own right. On the circlet of Cthonia, the crown of the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion, beneath the endless cities and gardens and festivals of technicolor humanity, great work was done. Bold explorers of the black pyramids recovered shards of living metal bone, long a thing of wonder. Through the eyes of Iron Minds, with costly, lengthy study, the minute fractal bone bore fruit. The growing femtomechanical facsimiles of cells, then the scintillating organs, the invisible bones of adamant, the ineffable golden brain tissue, all patterned, so the Iron Minds said, upon the human muses they had before them. Geneticists spliced the genes of a hundred different species into the human base to create the artificial genome, in particular those of the long-extinct species that had given the Navigators such psychic power. Macro-soul psychic engines controlled by the astral projections of the Iron Minds trawled deep within the warp, and through instruments of machine-soul-thought shaped raw human-esque spirits from the Immaterium.

>>61974918
After long years of labor, the efforts of the project produced results, with seven individuals produced in the labs of Cthonia, the original seven Men of Gold. But of course no creation can be considered truly successful until it is put to the test. In this case, the first real test of the Men of Gold occurred in 825.M24. The Iron Mind of the Tau Ceti system had misinterpreted a resource probe sent by a reclusive transhuman colony of Men of Stone in the neighboring solar system as an act of espionage and a threat to its existence, and war between the two groups seemed inevitable. The youngest of the original seven Men of Gold, Lilith (a name referring to a human progenitor in an old pre-space flight myth, all of the first seven Men of Gold were named after such beings apparently as an in-joked by the production team) was sent in the hopes of resolving the dispute peacefully. With a bit of luck, Lilith was able to build common ground between the two groups, and war was averted.

>>61974940
With that initial success, the Men of Gold were declared a success and production began in earnest. In Chthonia in those days each gala saw the debut of a demi-god, these shining, lively creatures, unique and beautiful, intelligent beyond all but the Iron Minds, and so mighty in psychic might as raise the stature of the empire in the eyes of the Elder Folk. The golden children of Chthonia were never idle, in revelry, or in work, and they produced wonders. They made themselves mighty. They went about the empire, in close confidence with the Iron Minds, and even among the Elder Folk, and were soon quite taken with the pleasures of the galaxy. Eventually, enough Men of Gold were produced to link disparate worlds in the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion, connecting to each other via psychic procedure which would later be adapted by the last of their number into what became known as soul-binding. The Men of Gold had the psychic fortitude to link to each other without trouble, but when applied to humans it tends to burn out the sensory nerves (typically the optics) because humans can’t handle a fire that hot. Not every world had a Man of Gold and not every world had an Iron Mind, but enough were made to create a faster-than-light communications network spanning the entire Great and Bountiful Human Dominion, something almost unheard of for most species. Perhaps the greatest of their number was Justinian, the Man of Gold located in the system of humanity’s birth, Earth. Those few records that remain of Justinian tell of a jovial man, bald and goateed in appearance but boisterous in personality, whose booming voice made the halls of Earth echo with laughter. Justinian’s charisma inspired loyalty and a sense of brotherhood in Men of Stone and Iron Men alike, which makes it all the more tragic when considering what happened to him.

>>61974964
Unfortunately, the process that led to the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion’s greatest creation also led to its downfall. The creation of beings with such psychic potential required equally powerful artificial souls, which could only be made with potent unshaped soulstuff. The Iron Minds, being psychic powerhouses themselves, were able to gather this soulstuff by dredging the deep warp for raw, unrefined warp energy. Unfortunately, this meant that the Iron Minds were essentially at ground zero when Slaanesh was born. At the center of the Old Eldar Empire and their homeworld of Shaa-Dome the Eye of Terror, first a crying slit of stars, winked open, an opalescent gash with an infinite speck at its center, from which trillions of souls grasped and groped in lust. The eye widened, abyssal pupil, florid hellfire iris, eyelid of night peeling back from the singularity. Any who would dare to look upon it, particularly those with immense psychic power such as the Iron Minds and Men of Gold, risked their very sanity and soul in doing so.

>>61974996
In those days, the existence of Chaos was not a well known phenomenon. It was a problem, but a problem in the manner of a dormant supervolcano or an esoteric sleeping elder god, something that could barely be understood on a mortal timeframe and therefore one that didn’t merit immediate concern. Even the children of the Old Ones, in particular the Eldar, who knew more about the nature of Chaos due to those turbulent days immediately after the War in Heaven, didn’t see Chaos as a problem worth worrying about. Daemon outbreaks had periodically occurred and consumed lesser civilizations in the days long before man, but until the birth of Slaanesh galvanized Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle into action the three survivors of the Old Ones’ blasphemous legacy seemed content to lounge at the bottom of the Warp, like a crocodile in a murky pond waiting for its next victim. How much of this was due to the actions of the shadow war fought by the Cabal is a question for historians. Even Asuryan, who played a 65 million year long game of wits with Tzeentch to keep the Changer of Ways away from the Old Eldar Empire, saw their contest as one of equals. Neither had seen the birth of Slaanesh coming.

>>61975017
To baseline humanity, who were mostly unaware of the goings on of the Warp, it was as if one day inexplicably went mad. To make matters worse, by that time nearly all of the Men of Iron and quite a few of the more cybernetically enhanced Men of Stone had been networked together into the noosphere. Only those Men of Iron who were deliberately built to act independently of the noosphere, such as colony ships, or were too primitive to directly interface with the network, were spared. Humanity’s family, once a thing of unity, began to slaughter itself. Humanity called out to its allies in the Intersolarian League for aid, but received no reply, for most were dealing with similar problems caused by the backlash of the birth of Slaanesh or had themselves gone mad. Humanity as we know it only survived because the two groups decided to focus on the most pressing threat to their survival, each other, leaving the Men of Stone and Men of Iron not corrupted by a connection to the Iron Minds’ network to cower in the shadow of the dueling gods. Eventually, the two groups weakened each other enough that they could be put out of their misery by mere mortals.

>>61975043
The Great and Bountiful Human Dominion were not the only ones affected by the madness of the Men of Gold and the Iron Minds, as both parties soon turned their attention to the Warp. The Men of Gold and Iron Minds were not capable of threatening the Chaos Gods or even the Eldar gods as individuals, but there were a lot of them, enough that the Chaos Gods and their daemons had to devote at least some attention to the thorn in their side. Whether the numbers of the mass-produced gods could have truly won against the more powerful Old One-inspired creations is an interesting question, but a moot one, for in their insanity the Men of Gold and Iron Minds had no cohesion and were simply picked off one by one. The rampage of the Men of Gold and Iron Minds within the Warp and their gradual slaughter was just one part of the chaos and change in cosmology that came along with the Fall of the Eldar, along with Slaanesh’s murder of the Eldar pantheon, Khorne’s shattering of Khaine, and Nurgle’s kidnap of Isha. Slaanesh claims to have consumed a Man of Gold along with the majority of the Eldar pantheon during this time, but few outside of the Prince of Pleasure’s most ardent worshippers actually believe what they say.

And with that, the crusade of humanity’s pantheon into the Warp and the deicide of the remaining gods by their weeping children, the Iron Minds and Men of Gold were gone. Barring a few possible mysteries of history such as the Cacodominus, the Men of Gold were all extinct. All, that is, save for one unactivated individual, body whole but mind dormant and a complete blank slate, lying comatose in his stasis chamber on the ringworld of Cthonia.

>>61975768
Then there is also this extra paragraph, which I wasn't sure if it should be tacked on to the end.

Modern humanity is of two minds about the Men of Gold. On the one hand, they remember who the Men of Gold originally were, the protectors of humanity and the greatest of their number, larger than life figures akin to the gods or superheroes of ancient myth. On the other hand, they were acutely aware of what happened to them, when they turned on their charges without warning and began slaughtering them all. Malcador was acutely aware of what the Men of Gold were capable of, and Oscar was raised on numerous horror stories of the Men of Gold from the Age of Strife half-remembered through folklore and exaggerated through oral retelling. Even today, the Emperor has downplayed his nature as a Man of Gold. He never denies it if questioned, though he doesn’t make it common knowledge, as he wanted his ideas of empire to be accepted out of merit rather than fear or appeal to nostalgia. That said, the eldar tend to be more aware of the Emperor’s status as a Man of Gold, as Isha had known of the Golden Men from the Dark Age of Technology and the fact that the Emperor was one was the only reason the eldar saw their political marriage as one that had any sense of legitimacy, as the Men of Gold were some of the closest things humanity had to gods. Isha would go so far as to say that the Iron Minds and Men of Gold were the human counterpart to the Eldar pantheon, and that Oscar is a god in denial, a subject on which the two have disagreed vehemently several times.

>>61976333
Three additional things I wanted to point out as a meta-note not part of the writing.

I don’t think we ever established how long the Men of Gold were around for, but I was thinking about 1200 years or so. Long enough that the presence of the Men of Gold formed a distinct “era” of the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion’s history (and show they were meant to last), but not long enough for them to become obsolete, especially as humanity during the DaoT was actually advancing.

With Justinian, I had been putting some thought into what Earth’s original Man of Gold was like. Generally I was thinking about making him as far apart from Oscar as possible in appearance and demeanor while still being a competent Man of Gold. In appearance I was kind of thinking of a face like Red Alert’s Kane, bald with a goatee, as a contrast with Oscar’s glorious Conan hair and smooth shaven face. In terms of personality, I was thinking of something like the Incredible Hercules or Batman the Brave and the Bold’s portrayal Aquaman, boisterous and loud in his charisma instead of the more humble, reserved appearance Oscar puts off. Additionally, Justinian’s personality is meant to be an indicator of the times, showing he was clearly from an era of relative peace, where the Men of Gold weren’t expected to make the kind of decisions Oscar has to on a daily basis. And making it all the more tragic when Sol resident golden bro went insane and went on a self-destructive rampage.
I suppose if that’s the case the most obvious name for Sol’s Iron Mind is some variant of “Theodora” to complete the “Justinian and Theodora” imagery. Maybe “Theodora” was a bit of a (unless we want to do that as a deliberate parallel to Isha and Oscar). It also adds a bit of symbolism. During the Fall, humanity’s first family literally killed one another in their madness (though Cthonia was the capital).

>>61976455
Finally, the whole description of how the GaBHD saw Chaos is meant to point out an interesting observation: that 40k in any form is a post-Lovecraft-style apocalypse setting. So many settings make a big deal about the danger of waking the sleeping Great Old Ones and the doom that will happen if they awaken “when the stars are right”. 40k, on the other hand, goes “Yes, that happened. We had that happen four times. What about it?”

Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle (and to a lesser degree Slaanesh) were the Cthulhu to the GaBHD. The massive time bomb sleeping at the bottom of the Warp created by the folly of an elder race, waiting for someone to set them off. To realize the truth of their existence would be a source of existential panic. But from the perspective of the audience viewing the universe from the 30th-41st millennia, nobody notices, because the eldritch abominations have already awakened and they’re seen as just another fact of life.

>>61976455
I just noticed I forgot a chunk of what I was going to say. Was going to say Theodora might have been seen as the mama bear who was the more commanding of the two in Sol, but as I said unless we want to make it a dark mirror to Isha and Oscar perhaps it would be better to not go down that route.

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>>61978645
It's all wonderful, it all must be kept. Theodora and Justinian might have been very close, they were both in constant contact, both dedicated to the wellbeing of the Dominion and both artificial intelligence. All the deeper when shit goes bad

>>61971409
>>61973493
In terms of how it was organized it was hierarchical but far more lax than the Katholians and flatter.

It goes in terms of hierarchy from top to bottom
Bishop
Priest
Lay people

There may be additional lay-preachers, assistants and other offshoots but that's the main shape of it.

A Promethean bishop has jurisdiction and authority over a collection of priests that make up a diocese, usually equating to a geographical area of a planet for reasons of administration, up to a certain point. A bishop can't boot a priest out of the priesthood without the unanimous support of the other priests in the diocese due to the serious nature of such an event.

There are a few Promethean seminaries, most notably on Old Earth and Nocturne, but the majority are taught in the manner of an apprentice to a master by other promethean priests from the local population. It is by this method that the Promethean Creed is not localized to a single area of the Imperium and instead is a faith the comes from the cultures of the people it serves. In a similar way the list of Paragons is highly varied upon location with the only two found universally throughout all branches of the Creed being Vulkan and Oscar.

There is no permanent rank above bishop. On the occasions that someone has to speak for the Prometheans on a greater scale the bishops can congregate and elect from their number an Arch-Bishop with authority over anything up to planetary or star-system level. There has been in the past Arch-Bishops with sub-sector levels of jurisdiction in the past but such events are extremely rare. At the end of the event that has necessitated the creation of an Arch-Bishop the position is once more dissolved.

It is not traditional for women to be ordained in the clergy, but it is not forbidden as such. Due to the localized nature of the faith it varies from world to world a great deal but ordained women are in the minority.

>>61976576
really excellent, and the imagery of the Eye of Terror opening was amazing. As a whole this reminds me of the piece on pre-fall Cthonia, and is a great companion for it. I'll take my shot at the Men of Stone in the coming day.

>>61979533
Was it decided that the Sol system Iron Mind was on Mars? I know it's been discussed.

Would Theodora have been contacted by the Void Dragon in that case?

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>>61980800
Might have known about it but might not have. The cell that Void Dragon is kept in is of Old One construction and so might be undetectable unless you are actually looking at it and physically standing right in front of it. To the ever so sophisticated sensors of the GaBHD scans of the Noctis Labyrinthus would have only shown more rock. It wasn't until the Age of Strife that anyone actually started to notice something wrong.

How did they notice it? Who the fuck knows. Maybe someone threw an anti-matter warhead at the civilians hiding in the canyons and it unearthed (unmarsed) some tunnels crude in the carving but undeniably artificial and millions of years older than the human species.

>>61967826
>>Whatever the case two gods fight, one god survives, everything else is up in the air.
>Malal is/becomes the Outsider's soul, and then Malal/Outsider kills the shit out everything for existing, which offends him
>Khaine and Khorne seem to be stealing Gork and Mork's thing, so they show up to prove green is better than red, and also humble Khorne again
>Slaanesh introduces the Hivemind to vore, and also eats its penis guns, they leave together on an extragalactic consumption spree
>The Indigo Crow and the Changeling fight over who gets to turn into Tzeentch, Tzeentch also turns into Tzeentch
>Nurgle does nothing, forever, and contents himself with Nimina since neither of them can get Isha, even thought Nimina sucks pus
prophecy gets weird around the turn of the millennium

>>61980881
>Slaanesh successfully becomes Sauron/Lucifer by helping the Imperium defeat nearly every other god
>the extremely unpleasant Malys/Vect Oscar/Isha double date

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>>61963026
So in this AU Isstvan V isn't a relevant thing at all? I'm not complaining, you don't really need 2 planets in the same system for shit to happen on.

>>61971409
Kind of pantheist but with monotheist leanings. God is in all things and is all things but can sometimes be made more directly manifest or perceived as such. These occurances, no matter how long they last be it uncountable ages or moments, are what people think of as gods (they would count Isha as such). Sometimes the world and by extension the gods can become corrupted by mortal sins and so the gods come out twisted (Chaos and it's gods).

Fire is held in reverence as to them a man made and controlled fire is the most obvious symbol of civilization and civilization is a consequence of the correct running of a universe with thinking beings in it. You use fire for cooking, for staying warm, for forging tools, for warding off predators and such things. Often Prometheans are cremated, but not always, sometimes being buried out in the fields, or in the forest or tied with stones and dropped into the sea are more traditional. The fire itself is not sacred, it represents the sacred nature of a civilized community. It is the fire around which all humanity (and friends) gather to keep warm.

The decentralized nature of the faith, especially in the years since Vulkan, have caused great variation in the exact nature of the teachings beyond this but that is the basics of it. All of them hold some sort of Judgment after death where you are thrown into a fire and if you are without too much sin you are not burned away. Some traditions hold the possibility of reincarnation, some do not. Some scriptures have a named God, some have named gods, some do not have either. All have Paragons and all have Oscar and Vulkan but beyond that the list is pretty location exclusive. Some permit priestesses, some do not. Some have Isha as the Paragon/goddess of hearth and home, many do not (because Vulkan thought she and her followers was shameless whores). Most allow xeno converts even if it mostly never happens but some are human exclusive. Reunification is impossible at this point

>>61960172
Presumably but they're all shit. LaK was an interstellar phenomenon seen by thousands of worlds. The others were local cash grab efforts. The Commissariat issue calendars sold better than the other films.

>>61939769
Lacrymoles could be some sort of artificial construct created by the Eldar Empire to infiltrate and puppet the states of lesser peoples, they never got them to work right but they were pretty entertaining.

>>61982461
If we wanted to use or rework the Adam Kadmon suggestion you could also say fire is the symbol of life and creation, hence why it is seen as a symbol of God.

>>61981426
Either Istvaan III or V is implied to have once been a Segmentum Pacificus-style Fortress World that decayed, with superdense structures on a molecular level. That would imply whichever world it was used to be a Kinebrach colony, but they could have abandoned it long before humans came along.

Istvaan V and the people on it could have been wiped out by Nurgle at some point after the War of the Beast on a completely unrelated action. It shows that no world is truly safe on a long term scale, even if III wasn't destroyed.

Maybe get Nimina to do it because the Chosen of the Gods need more realspace street cred.

>>61984406
I like the idea that Istvaan 5 could be a chaos victory.

>>61980781
Can't take credit for it, that was all the previous writefag's work (which I think might be what you are thinking of). That was from that piece that had Oscar describing to Malcador what he had seen when the Men of Gold went crazy, but we had decided against it because it defeated the nobledark tabula rasa aspect of Oscar's characterization. Though possibly some of that could be added to show what the Men of Gold got up to when they went Event Horizon, just leave it as third person omnscient narration rather than have it be described by Oscar.

>>61980800
>>61980860
Yes, I think we said it was on Mars, which is one of several reasons why Mars had so much tech.

The Void Dragon probably would not have shown up on normal auspex and the like. We know that at the very least Necron technology can hide from tectonic sensors and the like, because otherwise no one would have ever built on top of a Tomb World, and Old Ones are probably comparable. And in canon there is at least one object in the Sol system that is immune to auspex.

>>61983722
That's because the spinoffs were all fluff and no content, trying to exchange sex appeal for substance. LaK got pretty dark at the end as everyone from the start went through 30 years of shit and died hours before rescue.

>>61984406
Either Kinebrach weren't that widespread or they were and were part of the Interstellar League and were pretty thoroughly slaughtered by the time the Interex arose and adopted them

>>61987655
I think the kinebrach fluff we have explicitly says that, it says they built the xenos fortresses on the Pacificus fortress worlds despite being restricted to a small area when they encountered the Interex (which is actually from canon) and despite appearing as a homogenous cultural group their traditions appear to be a combination of what were once several cultural groups that collapsed into one when the population got too low.

Kinebrach have been said to be one of our "sibling races" along with the Tarellians, as in we all discovered space flight about the same time (in the same way that the Kroot and Vespid are "siblings" to the Tau and the Orks and Hrud are "siblings" to the Eldar). The Kinebrach are slightly older by about a million years but by that much when you look at some of the other races out there.

>>61986178
I was thinking of the Notable Planets entry for Cthonia, the one that ends with art history

>>61938595
Fra'al are a settled formally nomadic formally settled race of creatures born seemingly without compassion. They are cruel but they are not sadistic so much as they are utterly indifferent to the well being of others. The loss of their first empire was some time in the middle period of the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion when it seems that they thought the abduction of a few citizens would not be met with a stiff response. Their reasoning being that Humanity could spare a few plebs and those in positions of authority to make declarations of war would not care, they wouldn't care if a few inconsequentials went missing. They were quite wrong. They were of a not uncomparable level of technology to humanity, humanity not yet having reached the heights it one day would, and may even have outpaced the Dominion in a few areas but they didn't have the same resources. They were in the end forced to adopt a nomadic lifestyle as they had no planet. The war was bitter and bloody with no punches spared or pretense at fair play from either side and in the end the Fra'al lost their homeworld.

For the remainder of the Dominion's history they were condemned to wander. Tentative offers of reconciliation from the Dominion were met with hostility and soon stopped and the Fra'al would not again recover until the days of the Age of Strife when they could once more raid with impunity and take a new home to their likeing.

Okay, so what exactly needs to go up? I see a lot of things here and I don't know what has and hasn't gotten the thumbs up.

Men of Gold and Istvaan seem liked. Same with the hrud helping on Terranis, though that's a bit disorganized. No one seemed to mention the Daemonifuge prologue or the other things that much. Do people like the Prometheanism stuff?

I dunno, I'm just the guy who uploads things.

>>61989660
Promethianism is good for notes at least.

>>61989562
The homeworld they took is unknown, lost among the many uncharted stars of the Gothic Sector and it is there that they are most active. They trade occasionally for trinkets and toys, their technology base is lower than it once was but seems now noticeably higher that most of the Imperium at least in what they can mass produce. They trade with wicked men for human slaves and what fate awaits them is unknown though doubtless unpleasant.

The Fra'al themselves are a vaguely avian creature, or at least look as if they have had an avian analogue in their ancestry in some distant and dim past. They are humanoid in shape but more slender now than they once were, presumably from their years of forced exile among the stars. Their eyes are disproportionately bigger than those of most other species of their size and are typically a very dark red in colour with a cross shaped pupil. They are hairless with typically very pale grey skin and bluish blood based on a copper rather than iron. Their bones are light and they are frail of build. Their facial features are distinctly flat, the mouth and nose are in fact a squashed and downwards facing beak with with two nostril slits that can be close at will. The "teeth" are merely a serrated edge to the beak. The strange shape of the face and it's unintuitive construction are the result of a mutation some four million years ago that saw a decrease in general muscle mass but mostly in the cranium, causing an expansion of the cranium and brain size and a fast drive towards sapience, though apparently sentience may have arrived slightly later. The internal organs are distinctly avian in nature with the exception of the heart which is in fact two more primitive reptilian two chaimbered organs located on either side of the ribcage. The exact evolutionary path that lead to such an arrangement is unknown the the AdBio and of little interest to the soldiers that have to deter Fra'al raiders.

>>61989964
The Fra'al claimed to have been to Old Earth at various times in the distant past when it's inhabitants made knives of chipped stone with which they murdered each other and were preyed upon by more interesting creatures and many times after. It is unknown if these tales are fabrications in an attempt to unnerve or insult. They might be true, but what of it? Humanity out grew them and ever since they have been envious and bitter.

>>61989660
It all looks good, especially the MoG stuff. Prometheanism is crudely arranged and but could go on the Notes pages.

Thank you for all the awesome work you have done with the 1d4chan.

>>61990127
Seems a good mix of hostile xenopsychology and the circumstances of galactic history

>>61991720
I remember the recent minor xenos thread (not nobledark, another thread) had an interesting suggestion of the Fra'al being like Collectors or the Ethereals from XCOM.

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Working on the Men of Stone, but also waiting for a flight, hope the tread is still up when I'm ready/able to post

Men of Gold and Istvaan are up. Will try to go through and pull the other stuff together. Istvaan 5 is mentioned on notes page in case someone wants to take it up as a writing prompt.

People might want to check the Man of Gold entry on the Xenos page as I tweaked it a bit with the rest of the Age of Strife description as suggested by >>61986178. Maybe work a mention of Theodora in somewhere as simply "there was an Iron Mind on Mars, it was named Theodora, picked a fight with Justinian and got a mutual kill".

>>61993698
I've never played XCOM, what are they like?

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>>61997001
They like to "improve" the species under their control with genetic and cybernetic tampering. Though relying on augmented servant races might overlap too much with the Slaugth and their gigertech.

Speaking of which, looking through manuals it turns out the Osseivores are a threat which required titans (specifically psi-titans) to deal with. Which leads to the disturbing implication that the osseivores were just giant charnel pits for the Slaugth, laying there eating the waste meats and growing bigger and bigger until the Slaugth decided to use them.

>>61998092
It could be that they are eating the human captives as a status thing. It puts them at the top of the food chain in their minds, or they could be exchanging them with the DEldar.

Or they could be using them in experiments regarding genetic reagreement because the Fra'al are actually descended from a much modified Old Earth organism taken by the Old Once, hence the mix of bird and lizard parts and shit that doesn't make sense.

>>61998820

Hello, Inquisitor. In light of the recent Fra'al incursion, this Sector´s council has convened to approve the activation of the XCOM Project.
You have been chosen to lead this initiative. To oversee our retrinution agains the Fra'al.
Your efforts will have considerable influence on this sector's future. We urge you to keep that in mind as you proceed.
Good luck, Inquisitor.

>>61998092
I remember a past consensus in the thread that interesting ideas were more worthwhile than "one, and only one, of everything" so if you think you can make the biotech angle work go right ahead. A few more examples of genetic/biomancy based tech actually do more to make it out as a road less traveled, but also a fully valid route of advanced civilizations in the galaxy, instead of something confined to Old Ones and Tyranids.

>>61999463
This is a good point.

>>61998092
Since the Imperium is less likely to regard titans using tortured psykers as its fuel source to be a valid battle tactic, if the osseivores did require psychic titans to combat it could be that the same result was achieved in this timeline by teaming up with the eldar and their wraithlords/warlock titans, since we mentioned the eldar and Imperium teamed up pre-Alliance against the Slaugth on Rangda because the eldar were interested in freeing their people as well.

To bring the discussion full circle it's mentioned that the Fra'al have "psychic war machines" that are explicitly compared to psi-titans and eldar wraithlords. No clue what they'd be like.

>>61999392
Which Inquisitor should it be?

>>62001932
Faydor Karamazov has a new and faster design of warp engine that uses the psychic screams of pain as propulsion. It's not unreasonable to assume that he got it from the Fra'al as "the least of their trinkets and toys". It's also not unreasonable to assume that this is where the human slaves go, as the Fra'al have mastered automation to a degree that conventional slavery is not a concern.

>>61976576
How much of the GaBHD know about Chaos? Did they know it had gods or just different flavours?

>>62004585
I think they just knew "don't stick your dick in the Warp without a Gellar Field or bad things happen". We know the Gellar Field was invented early in human history, and the first few attempts to go into the Warp without it resulted in something like Event Horizon. If they had know the specifics of gods the Age of Strife wouldn't have happened because they would have Chaos proofed their shit and it would be common knowledge.

The Iron Minds might have known something big was lurking down there but weren't keen on antagonizing it.

Also Gahet and the Cabal were keeping daemonic incursions to a minimum and doing pretty good at it because the gods were doing it half-assed. So you would get a daemonic cult started up somewhere and some perfectly anonymous person would fudge the symbols or trigger a bomb and the cult would be strangled in its crib.

Oscar is doing a great job as protector of humanity but the truth is Gahet and the Cabal can claim to have saved hundreds of human worlds. And the Old Eldar Empire did a similar job protecting the legacy of the Old Ones (at the very least Earth wasn't bulldozed for a Crone World in the early Cenozoic and our an ancestors were little more than lemurs) back when the Empire was less shit.

>>62004180
Wasn't it implied the engine was a freebie from the Chaos Gods? Fyodor doesn't worship them nor would he ever go to them for help but they like his style and know if they keep giving him gifts he'll fuck up the Imperium on his own. He'd never accept a gift from Chaos, but a supposedly "banned" warp drive blueprint that fits with his preconceptions of the Imperium being too soft? They don't even have to put a daemon in the details like they did with Luther because he's doing this of his free will.

I think Fra'al tech is more like the Greys plus arcana to the point where it's hard to tell warptech from realspace tech, though I could be wrong.

>>61985626
The super resilient structures were discovered by the pre-Imperial Istvaanians via unmanned primitive drones and there was even a manned space mission being planned when the Raven Guard appeared on the systems edge. The Ruins on Istvaan 5 were fascinating but fruitless, there were no high-tech artefacts remaining and no clue as to the construction methods. The did find, at least, that the planet was habitable even if life on it was only simple microbes.

With the tech-boost offered by inclusion into the Imperium travel became far more practical and as the offworld colonies started to spring up Istvaan 5 was encrusted with vast hydroponics farms to feed the growing population. The farms were built around the old fortresses as they were too durable to easily remove and still had some sentimental value.

When the Chaos Eldar came it was to these fortresses that the population fled, but it was in vain. The Eldar infected the crops with a deamon blight that rotted them to slurry and reconstituted them as berserker monsters, the Chaos Eldar giggling all the while about "Warriors of Corn".

have we touched on the difficulties of interstellar banking yet

cause i think i have some ideas about interstellar finance and stuff

>>62007042
It's been barely touched on with the Throne Coin currency. If you want to have a go at it then great.

>>62007042
We have the Throne as the Imperial backed currency for inter-system trade, counterfeit on any scale is one of the few things that gets your door kicked in by the Arbites themselves, rather than referred to local authorities.

>>62007116
Thanks. I'll see if I can crank something out. I was going to have a conversation between Abdul Goldberg and Sreta Ulthran as a framing device- perhaps not the most important money movers in the galaxy, but certainly the most renowned. Is there anything on Abdul Goldberg aside from his profile as a family man, and quiet fellow that has flown under the radar to become the representative for the Chartist Captains?

>>62007150
Interesting and good point. Does the imperium have a centralized mint then? Or is that distributed among sector governors so they can control their own money supplies?

>>62007042
Actually, considering that point it might be worth having a master of some kind of Imperial treasury or bank among the high lords

>>62007165
In the ye olde 80s Vanilla fluff he was something of a mild scoundrel. All that has been written of him in the Nobledarkness is on the High Lords section.

Keep in mind that he intentionally obscured his past with contradictory information. He is a slippery snake whatever else he is.

>>62007274
It would probably be owned by the Lord of The Merchants (Goldberg) but run by Administratum specialists.

>>61938595
How many other species should be in the Uluméathic League? To me League suggests a grouping of other interstellar nations.

>>62007392
It might be under the Lord of the Merchant Navy's purview, but being a fiat currency it's certainly not his in an institutional sense

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>>62009025
I think it should be the Ulumeathic and and various far eastern rim powers, some fledgling and some ancient, have been pushed closer into Imperial spheres of influence in hopes of fleeing the Tyranids. The Ulumeathic would have either been one of the most populous of the small powers in those scattered stars, or most proactive in escaping the oncoming swarm. This would have been leveraged to form a new empire wherever possible, with other fleeing peoples under their banner. Depending on when this migration in flight from the swarm was begun their fortunes would change drastically with the Imperium’s state of expansion and the Tau’s, but no matter how early they fled eventually they would be caught between the Tyranids and the Imperium. Whether they’re within the walls of civilization’s fortress or making a pridefull stand alone outside it’s locked gates may still be undecided.

A suggestion for bolters based on the mention in canon that the original bolter was invented by the Emperor in the DaoT.

All modern varieties of bolter, from the humble workhorse that is the mainstay of the Space Marine legions to the bolt pistol used by baseline humans, are all at least in part influenced by a design created by the Emperor of Mankind himself. Believe it or not, bolters were originally not that important a part of ancient humanity’s arsenal. This can be seen in the nature of warfare in the 41st millennium. Warfare in the 41st millennium almost resembles that of pre-gunpowder humanity, with a heavy focus on armor and the viability of melee combat. Humanity’s weapons of choice during the Dark Age of Technology were Volkite guns and Adrathic disintegrators, neither of which armor offered much protection against. Military tactics during this period would have been more familiar to older groups of humans (potentially as far back as M2) than their descendants, with a greater emphasis on utilizing cover and avoiding fire than melee combat. Knowledge of how to make advanced armor survived the Age of Strife better than similar knowledge of weaponry, shifting the advantage to armor over arms and making melee combat viable again. Bolters only entered into the military sphere much later in the Dark Age of Technology, having believed to have been a weaponized version of a power tool, after it was noticed how well they performed against Orks, other high-durability xenos, and rogue Men of Iron and other Silica Animus.

>>62012683
The Emperor contributed to the reinvention of the bolter back before he was the Emperor, before he was the Steward, before he was the Warlord, when he was merely Oscar of the Terrawatt Clan. The Terrawatt Clan was a technocracy, with societal standing and authority being based on one’s inventiveness and research productivity, and if one could not prove their mental ability there was no way for them to advance in status. Embarking on a project that advanced Terrawatt’s sum of knowledge in some way was a common coming of age ritual in the country, and although he saw himself as artificial and a shadow of humanity Oscar wanted to be viewed slightly less as a trophy taken from Chthonia and slightly more as a person.

Oscar chose as his project reverse-engineering an old ballistics weapon that had uncovered some centuries before by expeditions from Terrawatt from the deserts of the former Tharkian Empire (specifically the province of Anatolia). The weapon’s systems had been fouled by sand and half of its components were missing, but Oscar managed to piece together enough of its workings to construct a working replica sized to his frame, or at least fill in enough of the missing pieces to construct a model that actually worked. This would be the precursor of the Astartes pattern boltgun and explains, among other things, why the prototype bolter was already built for someone of an Astartes’ size.

The Theologiteks were impressed and Oscar was proud of his creation (not to mention happy to have a weapon that didn’t feel like a child’s toy in his hands), eventually taking the prototype as his sidearm when he embarked to reunify Old Earth.

>>62012700
The gun faithfully served as his sidearm for many years, before finally failing some two hundred years after the Battle of Terra in about 700.M31. Oscar was saddened by the loss, seemingly one more aspect of his life that seemed to be eroding away, but the remains of the so-called ‘father of bolters’ survived and remains enshrined to this day in the museum in the Imperial Palace.

Originally, the Warlord’s armies of Thunder Warriors were armed with Volkite weaponry and autoguns, but as the numbers of augmented warriors grew and Volkite weapons were gradually lost due to attrition, three-fourths of the Warlord’s soldiers were armed with bolters about the time the Thunder Legions were being phased out in favor of the Legio Astartes. Volkite weaponry may have been more powerful and autoguns were cheap, but bolters were reliable, relatively powerful (unlike autoguns), and more importantly their workings were well-understood and could be easily replicated (unlike Volkite weapons).

>>62012713
The Warlord was not the only individual to reverse engineer the secrets of the bolter. Other human nations during the Age of Strife had come to the same conclusion regarding the bolter’s reliability and ease of production, and the Imperium encountered other models of bolters on places like Mars, the Hubworld League, and the Auretian Technocracy, several of which were based on actual STC designs. Information from these designs was assimilated by the Imperium to create a syncretic design that improved upon the initial Astartes pattern (Oscar, to his embarrassment, had gotten some of his assumptions wrong and had replaced several missing systems with slightly more inefficient versions he had created wholecloth). However, not all bolter designs were equally optimal in all situations, with some performing better at certain tasks than others. Eventually, a wide array of bolter types proliferated in the Imperium ranging from the numerous variants of the Astartes pattern, in which the initial kick from the propellant recoil is enough to break an unaugmented human’s arm, to the smaller bolt pistol commonly used by commissars, which trades caliber size and rate of fire for recoil to the point that it can be used by normal humans.

>>62012874
By approximately early M34, enough principles of miniaturization had been rediscovered to downsize the traditional full-size Astartes bolter to the Godwin-De’az Pattern. Nevertheless, despite this miniaturization the recoil still made it almost impossible for normal humans to use unless you were genetically enhanced, were wearing powered armor, or from Catachan or the Hubworld League. For many years the Godwin-De’az pattern occupied an awkward position for many years, being too large to be used by most Guardsmen yet too small in caliber to be an efficient weapon for Astartes. However, this all changed after the founding of the Adeptus Securitas and the Sisters of Battle in M36, who with their enhanced strength found this intermediate-sized bolter almost perfect for their needs. Godwin-De'az bolters are much more common in the Imperium now, mostly due to their use by the Securitas.

The invention of the precursor to the modern bolter is perhaps one of the achievements the Emperor is most proud of. It was not something created by Oscar, the Man of Gold, nor Oscar, the Warlord of Earth, but by Oscar, the person, in the name of the betterment of his species.

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>>62007264
Probably the latter, given the whole galaxy-spanning thing and the potential of warp storms.

>>62007392
>>62009475
That does sound like something it would be the merchant navy's job to manage but not necessarily control. The Administratum might want a say because Thrones are mostly used to buy Administratum-distributed goods.

>>62007042
>>62007116
See pic.

>>62012890
Neat

>>62012890

I barely remember, that the Godwin was created specifically for use by the securitas and indeed, it bear the name of the Sister that commissioned, the design. But I'm not going to really bitch about it.

>>62003356

Ordo Xeno. XCOM is a good example, as who the organization of a Inquisitor can work. In this AU, the sector inquisitorial council has a lot of power over a Inquistior shenanegians, that, at the same time has a lot less power.

>>62015267
The Inquisitor i charge could be Ravenour, as a candidate for High Lord Representative he must be doing something big. It's sanctioned by the inquisition but not funded by it, he relies on the good will of the Gothic Sector governments for that. The projects main objective is to find the Fra'al homeworld and either get them to stop being shit or nuke it to the bedrock.

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>>62006420
>Chaos Eldar giggling all the while about "Warriors of Corn".

Carlos has gone to the dark side.

>>62012890
I like it. Needs to go in the Forces of the Imperium section. Do you have an idea for title?

What would be this universe versions of the teen titans?

>>62017234
An in universe cartoon/live action series following an Inquisitorial team that primarily consists of the recently promoted former apprentice of an Inquisitor, a polymorphine user, a really high-spec skitarii, a sanctioned psyker and a young eldar of exceptional pychic power. Together they fight crime and teach moral lessons to children (to appease censorship boards and such).

The series would have been made due to the declassification of a shit load of Inquisitorial records that had been deemed safe. The actual team they were based on were not unrecognizable from the show but were also not very similar. The only member left alive is the eldar who moved back to her craftworld and follows the path of the servant. The others died as servants of the Imperium should, they died standing.

>>62017420

Now that's a show I'd watch. I wonder what would be different. What would be the same?

>>62017801

Villains will be not funny, and half the time the TT are running away. Most references to chaos will be really low key, as that theme has the tendency to make the kids sproot tentacles. The old guys aren't comic relieve and are always saving their sorry asses.

>>62017801
The cartoon would be much like Teen Titans in theme and style but with different setting pieces and origin stories of the characters. Half of the children in Segmentum Solar have seen it, it teaches the importance of listening to the lesson of your elders and how good team work and such is. It's a fun little adventure with more mature themes running through it than most animation aimed at children and has the occasional darker moments in it.

The much more accurate and much less loved live action series follows the actual released reports much closer. It's a study in how hard the job of Inquisitor can be sometimes. It's dark, unpleasant and dangerous and shows the long term psychological toll the job takes and that although there are victoris they are not without cost. It has the occasional moment of levity but in the end Starfire returns to Mymeara alone having buried the last of her colleagues.

>>62014476
Administratum would control it because they don't have much vested interest in fucking with it. Their job is to keep the currency stable, not profit from it. Giving total control to the R'Traders would be too abusable.

>>62011921
In Vanilla the Imperium didn't really encounter the Ulumeathic very often before they were eaten, it could be the same here. It's not that they have stubbornly refused membership. Membership has been offered but contact was so limited that they never really talked and the Imperium was even hazy on exactly who was in the League.

>>62018035
>The old guys aren't comic relieve and are always saving their sorry asses.

Such is life living in a brutal meritocratic gerontocracy. I never thought about it that way but you'd almost expect a heavy, almost Confuscianist theme of "respect your elders" in such a galaxy where the leaders are 10,000+ years old, the highest ranking members of the government are all on rejuvenants and can live to be ten times the age of your average pleb without rejuvenants, cultural influence from the eldar (both because eldar tend towards a gerontocratic chain of command and because eldar tend to outlive humans), and the general idea of "beware the old man who works in the profession where most die young".

>>62016317
CORN FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES! Though this sounds more like Nurglite.

>>62015199
Oh crap, I kind of remember that. Wasn't De'az the Nocturnean sister who was the first to get the Sororitas augmentations?

>>62015802
Isn't Ravenor Malleus/Hereticus in both timelines (or whatever the Hereticus is called here) due to seeing his boss go to the Dark Side?

I could easily see the Fra'al doing to an Inquisitor what they did to Bradford in XCOM2, trapping them in a living nightmare to see how they would try to escape to get info on the Imperium.

>>62020700
Could have been Nurglites taking the piss out of Khornites.

>>62018035

I just realize that i was thinking about Teen Titans Go.

,>>62017420

I think that more than a Callidus, a true beastman will be better. Assasins capabilities are probably to TopSecret.

>>62020700

Yep, i think that is the Sister

>>62020700
Ravenour is Ordo Xeno according to Lexicanum.

Malleus is pretty much as Vanilla because Chaos is still Chaos.

Hereticus is a minor ordo. They work closely with the Collective Synod and specialize in ensuring that the few and lax laws regarding religion are kept.

>>62021987
Are female Beastmen compatible with polymorphene? All I know is it needs two X chromosomes to work.

>>62023522
The requirements to be able to use it and not get mutilated by it seem to be pretty high an linked to emotional and psychological stability. Even if it works on them biologically the beastmen have problems keeping their shit together, hence the tendency to form highly regimented societies.

>>61962404
So who was the Forgotten Tyrant?

>>62025771
>who was the Forgotten Tyrant
>Forgotten Tyrant
>Forgotten
The clue is in the name

>>61987848
Is that a million years as a species or a million years as a space faring people? A lot of that time could have been Paleolithic.

>>62027263
I'd say as a developing species, and maybe ending up with a few tens of thousands of years lead in space

>>62018285

So in this case the cartoon is the fruity martini to the Stale beers live action. Both show the same thing but the problem is raised due to the fact that the former tends of gloss over the boring, tedious or very morally ambiguous details of Inquisitor Robins retinue.

Nonetheless despite being an action all series aimed a children I'm certain it would show at least some of the details regarding it. Nonetheless the final battle where Inquisitor Robin and his entire retinue "The Teen Titans" battled the "Brain" and his organization would be great to imagine.

Especially the space battle.

I was thinking, whatever weapon Oscar wielded against the Rangdan Abomination would likely have been something constructed by Justinian, presumably to kill Theodora in the Iron War. Something far beyond the burning telekinetic sword Oscar manifests, and with a terrible history on top of whatever reality scaring power it might direct, so certainly justified in hardly ever being used.

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>>62030162
I can definitely see that. Some kind of massive psi-disruptor gun or something of the like. We suggested Justinian and Theodora had already directed their madness towards each other and were already at each other’s throats early in the Iron War, which is why so much of the infrastructure in the Sol System remained mostly intact whereas Cthonia was almost sterilized.

After striking the killing blow on Theodora, Justinian just kind of wanders off. They find him in the sands of Mars, sitting in a fetal position staring at something no one can see off in the distance, tears streaming down his cheeks. Mars’ carefully constructed biosphere had been stripped away by the Iron War, and the fourth planet of Sol had returned to the red wasteland humanity had first set foot on almost twelve millennia previously. Justinian knows why they are there. He can see their minds, but one doesn’t have to be a Man of Gold to figure it out.

Everyone knows they need to fire. Justinian is calm now, but who knows how long this bout of stability will last, it wasn’t long ago that he was throwing around ships in Martian orbit like they were children’s toys. At the same time his executioners can’t bring themselves to do it. Everyone there knew Justinian, possibly personally if someone like Tiberius was there, Justinian had been there for almost every human on Earth since before they were born. The Justinian they knew didn’t deserve to die. And if he did die he deserved to go out in a blaze of glory. Demigods shouldn’t die like this.

There are no kine shields, no nuclear eruptions, none of the cosmic temper tantrums that characterized the death of his kin across the galaxy. Just a simple question.

“Do you think...do you think she will be waiting for me on the other side?”

Weapons are raised.

“Yes…she is…”

>>62027263
Horus Rising says the kinebrach peaked as a species before mankind started going into the stars. The only other reference to them outside that book says they inhabited the xenos-built Fortress Worlds that dot the Segmentum Pacificus from M15-M25 (so Dark Age of Technology).

>>62017420
>>62018285
That sounds...surprisingly sad, especially given the out of universe inspiration. Especially if they had an incident like the Judas Contract (which, to be fair, this is 40k, people getting corrupted by Chaos and betraying you is Tuesday, so something like that is virtually guaranteed).

>>62021987
Maybe it should be changed to the design becoming known for her and picking up its name that way. No one really cared what it was before because it was some specialty bolter Catachans, Hubworlders, and people with enough money to buy baseline-sized suits of powered armor commissioned.

>>62016778
I was thinking just "Bolters" like how we have a section for lasguns and flak armor in the same section.

>>62031384
That's suitably sad

>>62005720
Is the not!Event Horizon still out there somewhere?

>>62031384
I like the idea of Oscar using a Dominion era psi-disruptor to kill the Rangdan Abomination. It's a device optimized and designed to kill Iron Minds, you can point it at a lesser mortal and pull the trigger but the effects vary from anywhere from a headache all the way up to total bodily disruption. It also draws on the psychic potential of the wielder and so can only be used by an active psyker and the one made and used by Justinian was built on a scale that was only usable by Men of Gold. Presumably other more baseline high end psykers could wield it to an extent but the list of candidates is very short and they only had one such weapon they weren't willing to risk the destruction of so speculation in this direction was fruitless.

The original psi-disruptor gun is in the low-risk gallery on Ganymede. Psycannons are thought to be in some way derived from the study of the original device, a much cruder weapon but one that can be made using currently available technology. Creation of the Psycannon is attributed to the founding of the Grey Knights although one of Magnus' students rather than the Primarch himself. Magnus was without peer amongst humanity in terms of deamon-lore and warp studies but wasn't very good with machinery.

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>>62032739
>That sounds...surprisingly sad,
Welcome to the Inquisition. You don't have to be damned to work here, but it's always an option.

>>62034492
Possibly. If it was anything like the film then half of it would have continued the voyage whilst the other half of the ship is dragged in-system for study and presumably destroyed after shenanigans ensue.

The half that went wandering may still turn up from time to time in odd places and at odd times. It's only been in the Sol System once in Imperial history, translating into real space more or less in the exact same spot that it started. That is the nearest that it has been to being destroyed as the farseers assigned to Titan had predicted it's return and people were waiting for it. Mars wanted to capture it for study, exorcism and preservation as a cultural relic as it was the original human warp drive. Knights weren't listening and another few seconds and the nuclear missile would have impacted it and done the galaxy a favour.

It's been spotted in at least 4 different Space Hulks indicating that it can remove and embed itself or it's duplicated itself somehow. One theory is that as it dives "deeper" than most other things in a space hulk it can go "under" it and "resurface" inside the structure and just kind of push and nudge everything else aside.

There is consistently one overt deamon present, not counting the entity/entities merged into the ship itself. Suspected to be it's creator but long since twisted into something defying easy classification.

>>62036099

I was thinking the sort of people that end in the inquisition. In vanilla, most inductees are more or less conscripted. Here, civilians know the sort of shit are around and the job is voluntarily. Acolites must have a death wish or a powerfull personal reason . Glory/Power hounds will be pretty rare, only thrilseeker and dutybound people will think in that sort of thankless job. Everybody will be weary around inquisition personal. True they are heroes, but... pretty crazy heroes.

>>62036291
It would explain why so many go off the deep end.

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>>62034956
>Magnus was without peer amongst humanity in terms of deamon-lore and warp studies but wasn't very good with machinery.

That's hilarious but I could totally see it. Magnus was born in Ursh, whose technical expertise was...lacking, spent most of his formative years hiding in the Himalayas, and even after that was more of a shaman than an expert in Warptech. Possibly even avoiding it until he got some sense knocked into his head by the WotB. He might get the hang of it eventually but he would never be an expert in technology.

The only primarch that might have been similarly tech-unfamiliar was Angron.

"KHARN! HOW THE HELL DO I WORK THIS VOX!"

>>62038471
And Russ. Nordycs weren't all that tech-savvy and Russ was no scholar.

>>62038746
Makes you wonder where they got the tech for the Grey Knights from if the two primary contributing primarchs were Russ and Magnus. GKs may be chivalric samurai/knight ascetic space monks but they also seem to have a good grasp of technology for their job. There was some eldar training involved but they also tend towards poor knowledge of any human technology more advanced than a lasgun given their tech is all psycho-active and built out of wraithbone. Especially given the GKs have tesseract labyrinths the AdMech gave them.

>>62040001
Just because the two directors of the project could barley rewire a plug doesn't mean that they didn't understand the need for technology. Mars was a stones throw away and just full of clever people they could commission or hire.

>>62031384
excellent

>>62036099
That ship is older than Slaanesh and surfed through the molasses that would one day form it, The Event Horizon is a proto-Slaaneshii torture barge.

>>62021987
I'd think Beastman Beastboy would work better.

Are Beastmen vegetarian?

>>61998092
What else do we know about the Osseivores?

>>62042378
I'd imagine that it's encouraged, but not all Beastmen are the same, and it stands to reason that some variations of Beastmen are Omnivorous, while others are physically required to consume some form of meat.
Personally, I think that might add something to the narrative of the show- being reliant on a meat-rich diet while hating the idea of eating meat, partly for moral qualms and partly due to social conditioning that stigmatizes meat-eating in an attempt to keep members of the Beastmen populace from going overboard. There's potential for some important life-lessons for kids there, such as "Don't hate yourself because of your body," "Don't starve yourself in an attempt to fit an ideal," "Don't force someone to adopt your concepts of 'acceptable' without knowing what they need," ect.
Put another way, "Don't try and force your dog/cat to go Vegan," "Don't replace the sugar in the Hummingbird Feeder with Splenda," and that sort of message.
Could be an episode where Beastboy's reluctant obligate carnivorism gets contrasted against a baddie of the week Beastman who's given into the dark hunger and has no qualms about it.

Ulumeathic League could be a collection of worlds protected but also subjugated by the Ulumeathic. Ulumeathic are big grumpy marine iguana looking brutes who naturally operate on a very authoritarian way of thinking with emphasis put heavily on notions of dominance. Ulumeathic rule because Ulumeathic are strong and you know they are strong because they are on top of the heap. The League consisted of them and a few other xenos. The others did basically all of civilisation except being rulers and warriors, they were exclusively Ulumeathic and that was basically all that they did and for a good long while it worked. Any of the subjugated could have challenged them and of they won their roles would have reversed and it would have been fine with them.

Imperium never bothered much with them. They were not aggressive, at least not towards things bigger then they were. League stayed out of the Imperum's face and Imperium left them to themselves and more or less forgot about them.

Then Hive Fleet Naga came. First real contact the Imperium had with the Ulumeathic in centuries was a refugee fleet telling them that The League was gone. Just gone.

To their credit the Ulumeathic themselves had fought to damn near the last and bar a very few Ulumeathic children the ships were packed to the gills with the subjugated people.

Imperium offers them settlement rights to a few systems with habitable but not all to pleasant worlds, gifts the League survivors accept with tears of gratitude in their eyes.

Today the League is a fading memory of better times. The Ulumeathic have not tried to regain any of their old authority, their whole society is about knowing your place and they know theirs in the Imperium. They do though make very good soldiers.

>>62043943
Used in Rangdan Xenocides. Big enough to require titans to defend against them. Name suggests they ate bone.

We said Osseivores were the clean up crew for the Slaugth, but that's just Nobledark lore, not vanilla canon.

My guess: huge bio-constructs the Slaugth used to dump all the waste meats from their chattel (which was basically everything but the brain, given how wasteful the Slaugth could afford to be and probably were given their awful personality). It's a handy way of getting rid of your garbage and when someone attacks your walking garbage can has metabolized enough biomass to fight a titan. Maybe something like a rancor-esque creature with a huge, prolapsed, garbage can-like mouth with multiple rows of teeth.

>>62045090
There would probably be some who would go vegan specifically because it's a better way to "reject the beast", but it's also possible that some do need meat to survive. Primeval Beastmen ate people.

>>62047120
That's pretty much how I was imagining it, yeah.
So there would be an episode where Beastboy finds an enclave of Beastmen who have gone vegan to "reject the beast" and pressure him into joining, which results in him wasting away and getting sickly because again, he physically needs to eat meat. There's some drama, some group bonding, and eventually they part ways with both parties having learned something; Beastboy having learned to accept himself for who he is, and the enclave having learned not to try and force people to take the same path they chose.

The events the episode is based on were much messier, and there was no reconciliation between the Enclave the Inquisitor's retinue. The person Beastboy was based off of never truly outgrew those insecurities, and had chronic health issues due to occasional 'relapses' into effectively starving himself.

>>62049305
>The events the episode is based on were much messier, and there was no reconciliation between the Enclave the Inquisitor's retinue. The person Beastboy was based off of never truly outgrew those insecurities, and had chronic health issues due to occasional 'relapses' into effectively starving himself.

Damn son, are you some kind of feels engine or something?

>>62049305
>>62051785

Real life is a bitch

>>62029460
Other recurring villain would be Slade. A veteran Imperial Guardsman gone mercenary gone terrorist. In the cartoon he is eventually caught, tried and executed by hanging (you see a shadow silhouette of the proceedings with the retinue watching). It's as dark as the cartoon ever got by a long way.

Live action series hinted that he was a follower of the ruinous powers and showed both his execution and atrocities in far more detail and the casualties taken with bringing him down. His execution was not the quick affair it was in the cartoon as his neck didn't break and it took him some time to die (Inquisitor Robin had told the hangman to make it so, that bastard didn't deserve to go quick).

In reality Slade was undeniably Khornate with the Mark upon his brow, the fields of the dead all about him and the Brass Hound at his side. He was a sloppy and indiscriminate butcher who dreamed of deamonhood and left to his own devices would have managed it. His skin was steel and bronze and impervious to blade and bullet. He was hanged by Raven using electrical cable in a ruined warehouse on Mordia.

>>62053528
>Slade
>Khornate
Bruh you what? Slade's whole shtick that made him so good was psychological, with his physical abilities only a means to whatever end he was pursuing. His most effective attacks where when he was directly confronting the team's biggest insecurities with either hallucinations or scenarios constructed to mirror traumatic events from their past.
If Slade was a Chaos worshipper, he'd be Tzneetchian. And all the more dangerous for it, because nobody expects the stereotypical nerd-boy mages of Chaos to actually be willing and able to get down and dirty in a fight rather than relying on psykery, with the double-bluff of being perfectly willing to throw in psykery as a getaway card or dirty trick. There's a reason he was able to survive the direct attentions of an Imperial Inquisitor for so long.

>>62054617
That does make more sense. He was a Tzneetchian everyone just assumed was Khornate which was probably intentional.

>>62005720
Is the Cabal still around at 999M41?

>>62054964
Almost certainly not. Almost certainly. They haven't been heard of since Eldrad helped Gahet commit suicide with the assumption that a shit load of them joined the Illuminated and The Hydra and a whole bunch of them signed on with the Inquisition because it was work they were good at for an organization with the same goal but with an actual wage.

The problem with secret societies like the Cabal is that when they disappear you can never be sure if they are actually gone or if they just got really good a hiding. They might be still out there but it's unlikely. They accomplished their goals as well as they could. Their whole reason for being was the suppression of Chaos for the good of the many but as a clandestine vigilante there was a limit to what they could do. They did (accidently) play a significant role in the foundation of the Imperium which is a regime with the goal of stamping out Chaos but they have the resources of a million worlds to call on and have popular support. Cabal as it once made itself obsolete.

>>62054686
>>62054617
It's not unreasonable to assume that his missing eyes was not lost but sacrificed. An empty eye sees into the empty places in a man and such knowledge makes them easy to manipulate.

>>62047101
I like this, it's suitably grim without being stupid.

>>62047101
>>62057702
I also like this idea, both because it makes sense in-universe and fits the themes, and because it gives an excuse to use Saurian models in an army when constructing battle scenarios or armies. Which I admit isn't really the focus of this setting, but I still like that it can be used that way.

>>62059332
What should their subjugated peoples have been?

>>62059332
Isn't that what the Tarellians allow? Granted, Lizardmen don't have the frills that Tarellians do and Xibalaniqans are more chuckwalla than toad.

Would the Ulmeathics have been another Tarellian colony world that decided to build their own League rather than join with the Confederacy? The area where the Ulmeathics are from is right next to Tarellian space.

>>62056797
Thinking the same thing.

>>62054617
That is...some really good imagery. Really shows how one can follow a god without fitting into a certain mold, much like Sigismund for Nurgle and Kyras in canon for Khorne.

>>62055695
It was suggested if the Cabal was still around they are using the Imperium as their front-line support to do what the Cabal can't. Cabal is good at worming its way into places unsuspected but doesn't have punching power. Imperium does but is more noticeable (Cabal has more security in obscurity). A&O have been suggested to have Cabal contacts they coordinated with though don't work with them, though the Cabal still won't speak to Eldrad.

>>62061061
The Ulmeathics I'm imagining as more like more like kroxigor in scale. Big, big creatures. Predominantly vegetarian but evolved to be so relatively recently and still have fearsome teeth and claws. They used to strut around like a race of Chad Thundercocks when the League was in ascendancy, now they just look lost and sad. The younger generation deal with it better because they only heard tales about the League and how mighty they once were but they were either too young to remember or were just eggs when it all died. Soon a generation will be born without any contact with The League, Imperial Ulmeathics. But the old grey-scales remember and they know the League won't rise again so they make lives as best they can.

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>>62034956
Possibly to up the reasons why people are so hesitant to use it it could be that the psi-disruptor has quite a large "splash zone". When Justinian fired the weapon it didn't just hit Theodora but turned every baseline human within a few kilometers into a gibbering wreck. Justinian may have gone for Theodora first but he was still psychotically insane and would have trashed everything and everyone in his way to get to his goal. Meanwhile Theodora is targeting Earth with orbital bombardments and whatnot.

The death screams of both the Men of Gold and Iron Minds would have only made the Warp Storms worse and made FTL communication near-impossible for years afterwards given what happened to the corrupted Man of Gold the Imperium found. For the corrupted Man of Gold Oscar may have been seriously considering pulling the disruptor back out before the Grey Knights managed to deal with it.

When Oscar fired it the only things in its radius were the Rangda Abomination, a bunch of Slaugth and their constructs, and their various livestock slaves. The latter of which nobody wanted to hit, but killing them this way was almost a mercy compared to what the Slaugth would do. They would still make sure all of their forces stood way back.

There might have been some dispute with the eldar about using such a weapon and killing eldar chattel in the blast zone, but even the eldar would have to admit that there wasn't a better option. The next best thing would be pulling an eldar doomsday weapon out of Yme-Loc and blowing the planet up, which doesn't solve the problem. At least using the mon-keigh device most of the eldar slaves will survive.

It's a bad, horrible weapon built by a madman to slay a god, and tends to rack up a massive body count in collateral damage when fired. No wonder nobody likes to use it.

>>62061061
>>62061311
Tarellians, as they're written now, seem more along the lines of a civilization of Skinks, with variations based on planet (chameleon skinks for one world, for example) especially with the emphasis on being very fast infantry and hit-and-run tactics, as well as inspirations drawn more from the more northern Native American tribes than Lizardmen's MesoAztecIncan style.
Which is fine, but doesn't really fit with Saurians being big and relatively slow but durable in Melee, or Kroxigors with mammoth size and strength. I actually do like the idea of them being closer to Kroxigors than Saurians.

This could also be a case for the Imperium's unintentional tendency to call lizard-species "Tarellians" when they really aren't. It's not malicious or anything, it's just that when a bunch of species with reptilian traits evolve within the same general area of the galaxy, and the race that rose to the most prominence is also amazingly adaptable on a genetic level to the point of being divergent enough that they resemble different species, the people who don't have to deal with the paperwork tend to throw their hands up and just call them all the same thing, just to be safe.

Older Ulmeathics get incredibly offended by the idea that they were just an offshoot of those other tiny pipsqueaks; they forged their empire themselves, thank you very much. Younger generations are also prickly about it, though some are willing to entertain the idea. Actual geneticists either don't know because of said pricklyness, or consider it possible but hard to tell with how prone Tarellian genetics are to shifting to fit their environment, or are working on finding out alongside their main project of seeing if they can use that malleability to create some scaly super-soldiers.

>>62059607
I'm not sure if there's any canon species to draw from for this, so if allowed I'll take inspiration from a personal game of Stellaris played as a reptilian race with a similar philosophy on strength and authority.

There was an Avian race that grew up within relatively the same area as the Ulmeathics, though their tech was universally ahead of the lizards, if still comparable. Even so, they were friendly and a bit naive, so they played buddy with the big lizards and helped them onto their interstellar feet. The two races saw each other as equals- Ulmeathics perhaps begrudgingly, but if the strongest should rule, then those of equal strength should be of equal standing, and the fact that their technology was the source rather than physicality didn't really affect that- strength is strength is strength.

Then some other race in the neighborhood started expanding, and were expanding through the Avian-people's worlds first. While their name isn't remembered, their savagery and brutality most certainly is, as well as their penchant for taking slave to serve as labor and "entertainment." The Avians fought and fought hard, but while their ships were advanced they had never needed to pump them out on a war footing, and the aggressors had absorbed other races before them and was experienced in the art of killing. World after world fell as their fleets burned and tales of the horrors being inflicted on those who could not flee filtered through, until every Avian world had fallen and the survivors fled in burning ships into Ulmeathic space, gleefully pursued by the ones who even now caged their families and made them perform for their twisted entertainment.

Their assault on the Ulmeathians can be likened to slamming headfirst into a wall.

>>62062215
The Avens had not hidden their plight from the Ulmeathians, and had been sharing all of their information on the invaders, especially once it became clear the end was coming. Technology once reserved to stay competitive was now given freely, along with the scientists and scholars who could teach and implement the new knowledge. They knew the Ulmeathians well enough to understand that doing so meant they would never again be free, that the Ulmeathians would demand their subjugation as they were no longer equals, yet they chose to at least sell their freedom to the masters who would not slit their throats in front of their families and laugh. For some, it was simply passing on the torch in hopes that maybe their neighbors would survive the onslaught in some fashion, unlikely though it seemed. Those who thought so grimly were unprepared for the Ulmeathian response.

Unlike their plucky neighbors, the Ulmeathians were prepared for conflict, and had already set their war machine into terrifying motion, the steady beat of a heavy drum announcing their slow but steady march upon the warpath. Asteroids were ground to dust for shipyards that worked beyond their designed parameters, every male and female unnecessary for production drafted and pressed into service, and generals and admirals meeting daily to review new information, give orders, and draw up battle lines and strategies.

When the enemy came, they found fleets triple the size of any they had faced before, worlds hardened and prepared to endure sieges for years, and cold reptilian minds unflinching in the face of their vessels decorated with the corpses of their victims. The fight was long and bloody, the Ulmeathians never hesitating to sacrifice lives if it created an opening, never failing to go for the kill on a fleeing opponent, never falling back or giving so much as a single inch.

Then the Ulmeathians began to push the invaders back.

>>62062541
Their advance through what were once Avian worlds was slow but inexorable, their industrial might combined with Avian advances meaning their losses were always replaced by stronger, improved forces. Ship by ship, world by world they advanced, each world retaken immediately being mined for resources and fortified against counterattack, the rubble of a destroyed civilization being used as bricks in defensive walls.

The Ulmeathians had taken prisoners at first, respecting those who submitted to those stronger than them. Then they reclaimed their first Avian world, and saw what had been wrought. There was no more mercy after that.

The once-haughty invaders began to crack against this onslaught; once-timid races they had subjugated began rebelling once more, their leadership bickered and set upon one another with pointed fingers and bitter accusations that may have robbed them of their finest minds. They saw the stone boulder rolling towards them, and could not comprehend why their slaves could not match the efforts of a numerically-inferior force. They did not understand the unquantifiable multiplier of a willing workforce who did not need to be whipped to work long beyond when their bodies should give out.

The end was a long time coming, but inevitable. Whatever it was the Ulmeathians had seen that so incensed them has been lost, or rather destroyed. Their march did not stop at the worlds of their former neighbors, but onward through the stars claimed by these aggressors, freeing many who had been under them so long they did not know the taste of freedom, and accepted their new masters willingly.

Their crusade was unforgiving and absolute; the vile homeworld of the aggressors was burned to uninhabitable rock, and their works and knowledge ground into dust, even their name struck from all records to erase all trace of who they were. Considering speculation that they had fallen to the Ruinous Powers, this may have been for the best.

>>62062928
It was a bitter victory for the Avians; while their friends had won, the nation founded by their people had burned, their worlds broken and their cities reduced to rubble that had now been used to build fortresses and machines of war. No longer were they caged, but shackles still weighed their ankles, and now if their new masters chose to they could easily inflict the same pains upon them, and this time there would be no salvation. Many wept bitter tears as they braced for the victorious Ulmeathians to turn their gaze from the broken enemy back to their new possessions- for that was surely what they had been reduced to, a prize to be taken for having bested the adversary.

Their tears fell anew when the Ulmeathians pressed tools into their hands, and bid them build not bunkers and bullets, but homes and cities of Avian design. Where they had braced themselves for an iron fist, they found an open hand upon their back; controlling, yes, but also steadying and pushing them back onto their feet. Their brightest minds were accommodated for and recognized, and while they were ruled they were not unrepresented, electing parliaments and senates from their own to implement laws not far removed from their own.

For the Ulmeathians are not slavers, just authoritarian. Though they have no qualms about ruling over their once-equals, they still remember when they stood side by side, and would not allow the kindnesses shown when they themselves were weak to go unrepaid.

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Aaand that's my thing for one of the races under the Ulmeathians. Not sure if it's too much of something just pulled straight from my head, so just speak up if it's bad or whatever.

Also not sure what a good name for the race would be- "Avians" is just so fucking generic, but I'm not sure what alternatives have already been taken or not. Feel free to make suggestions for a fitting name- if it helps, I imagine them as some kind of songbird, to fit with them being somewhat ditzy and naive and more focused on things they enjoy like science and the arts. Hence why the whole trading one master for another thing was an unpleasant idea for them; a caged bird is a caged bird, and they thought they were basically choosing the cage that didn't have a cat inside it yet.

>>62061719
Regular Tarellians so far have been characterized as Saurus but with a brain and the ability to think rather than being mindless soldiers. They're human-sized, muscular (some wielding Macuahuitl broadswords), and pretty fast (comparable to horses). Though they've been characterized more like Jurassic Park Velociraptors than the slow but hard hitting Saurus.

The native of Tikal are definitely skink shout-outs. They're about a foot shorter than the average Tarellian (five feet rather than six or so), have bright stripes on darker scales (like some real skinks) and tend to excel in urban combat and guerilla warfare with an emphasis on poisons.

Mazans are just weird. They're taller than your average Tarellian, but they're also a lot skinnier and lankier.

Xibalaniqans are Fantasy!Slaan mage-priest shout-outs.

I like the idea of the Ulmeathics (Ulmeath? Ulmeatheans?) being like Kroxigors but with more brains. Maybe have their body covered in hard callouses like you see on real marine iguanas or whales that make it even harder to hit something vital.

>>62063445
I like it, it's good and evocative. Combined with them dying almost to the last when the 'Nids show up for the sake of their subjects gives them a sort of hard nobility.

>>62063617
Kroxigor in build seems good. They average out at eight to nine foot tall or about that. They need to be big but not Godzilla big. Lifespan of 100 - 120 years baring major illness or injury with the record being 168. Humans have an edge on them in terms of reflexes but not as much as you might think given their bulk. Hide tends to be variations on green with some being almost blue and some being almost yellow, they go grey with age. Hide typically goes more leathery with age and grows more pronounced scales. They have the ability to regrow severed parts given time but a limb will still take a few years. They do have 2 sexes but outsiders can't tell them apart, the men tend to dress in brighter colours is about the only clue. They are cold blooded. Despite rumours they can't smell if you are lying and their sense of smell is no better than the average humans, similarly their visual range doesn't extend into the infrared. They can distinguish between colours better than baseline humanity and are brilliant at spotting thing like holofields, camelioline and camouflage nets.

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>>62063617
Huh. I always thought that Saurians were supposed to be bigger than humans, with Skinks being closer in size to the average human.

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>>62067990
Skinks are supposedly much shorter than humans. Saurus are 7-8 foot bruisers. Tarellians seem closer to humans than either, but which depends on the planet you're on, much like how Hubworlders are five feet tall and five feet thick while LIVII is something like 6'8" due to his parents being from a low gravity worlds.

>>62064759
They kind of sound like a cross between marine iguanas, crocodiles (via Kroxigors), and reptilian hippos. Sounds interesting.

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>>62063445
If you are having difficulty thinking of a name there is always this.

http://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/alien-names.php

>>62021092
But who wold dare take the piss out of the BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY!!!?

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Guys stop. Now I want to see this show even more. Who's Brother Blood in this case? Or Trigun? Or Brain? Or many of the other villains?

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I really love how this is turning out.

Ulumeathic would not be given Survivor Civ status for several reasons. First and foremost at the time that they came to the Imperium they weren't a civilization that survived, they were a ragged band of refugees in half dead ships limping to their gates to throw themselves on Imperial charity.

Which the got because the Imperium can be charitable, and also the worlds that they were given settlement rights on were inhabitable but not massively so, you could live on them but you would always be looking for something a bit nicer.

The other reason is that although they were never enemies of the Imperium they were never friends either and the psychology of the Ulumeathic would benefit long term from clarity on their place in the Imperial Hierarchy. They are under the aegis of the Imperium but also no servants of the Imperium, just as the Avians and others were their servants. This they can live with, just as they once called the Avians equals because of their strength derived technological aptitudes they can recognize the Imperium as superiors due to the combined might of their technological aptitudes, industrial power, numbers and accumulated experience. In return for loyal service the Imperium protects them just as they once protected the Avians and the others.

The Ulumeathics don't have much of a sex drive and in the days of the League regulated their own numbers responsibly. In part at least because they were 100% employed as either functionaries and administrators in the higher end of the military dictatorship or as soldiers as befitted their high status as a people. But a civilization can only employ so many soldiers. Their numbers were stable to the economy.

Now they are part of a much larger economy and the Imperial guard is always hungry for disciplined, dedicated and hard as nails soldiers.

>>62073083
The Ulumeathics on their sanctuary worlds are building incubators and child care centres to houses legions of eggs yet to hatch. The next generation of Ulumeathics, the first generation of Imperial Ulumeathics, is going to be a hell of a population spike and they are all going to be raised to be soldiers for the Imperial Guard. Considering how an adult Ulumeathic can wield a heavy bolter whilst wearing full body heavy carapace in another ten or fifteen years the Guard from that part of the galaxy is going to get a hell of a boost.

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If you ask me, i think that this is one of those things that made this AU interesting. Even with all the dark outside, people has something to fight for. The guy who is selected to the imperial guard understand, that he is the best of the best, that maibe he will die, but his death will have meaning. He will do his duty remembering his childhood heroes and knowing that his live has nothing to envy to their adventures.

>>62073137
One of the other races conqured by the unremembered foe could be the Naiad Republic. They are on the Lexicanum as a peaceful republic that got ass fucked by DElder, in this AU they could still get ass fucked by the DEldar but the Ulumeathic warriors came to their rescue and chased the DEldar away.

Also Vrakk are a xeno that humanity in Vanilla exterminated in the Great Crusade. No other information given. It sounds like a noise a bird would make so it could be the Avians that the Ulumeathics adopted.

League could also have included
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nekulli
As they seem technologically advanced, not chaos and not overtly hostile.

Possibly Ff'eng
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ff%27eng
as the Imperium doesn't know shit about the Ff'eng and the Imperium didn't know shit about the League.

Or some of the many other name-only xenos
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_sentient_species#Other_species

>>62071464
Slaanesh obviously. Both figuratively and literally unless Khorne gets the chainaxe.

>>62071919
not!Trigun is obviously some in the long run small fry daemon that seems to like harassing the team like you see in every 40k story (e.g., AGP's smoky daemon, Cain's ex, etc.). Not!Raven...well, we all know what happens to psykers in 40k. She knew she was losing the battle against Chaos corruption and decided to sacrifice herself in a huge psychic explosion to banish Trigon to go out her way rather than let herself become a meat puppet. Cartoon omits most of that (they want young people to think Chaos is dangerous, not that it can be reversed at a moment's notice with power of friendship) and has her miraculously survive.

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I wouldn't go and have them be full soldier race. They could be for all that they have lost capable of some beauty. They write poetry about the worlds that were devoured and their statues and skill at stone working is considered, even by the eldar, pretty fucking good.

Their drive to reproduce is at this point a religious commandment as much as a survival as the Ulmeathians believe in reincarnation and there are a lot of old souls that need new bodies.

>>62076622
While the poetry aspect is good and there's definitely more to them than just soldiering, they're still primarily a race of warriors who are used to leaving the majority of the finer points of culture to their client races.
Somewhat ironically, the Avians probably have better records of Ulmeathian history and culture than they do about their own; life was good under their rule, and they still remember their debt. Plus they love singing, so writing ballads about the exploits of Ulmeathian heroes is something they'd genuinely enjoy doing.
Put another way, the Ulmeathians are fond of writing poetry and stoneworking, with proficiency in both being expected- sort of like how nobles were expected to know etiquette and such. It's just that those pursuits tend to come alongside their duty as warriors. They are the strongest- physically at least- and thus have a duty to fight to protect those not as strong as them.

>>62007330
In this AU he is also a mild scoundrel, it's just on a larger scale.

>>62077544
What nominal leader should they have? Should they have a champion?

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