>>61123571
If we do anything about the Ordo Chronos it should be never entirely hammered down with certainty what happened to them. Maybe they were all hunted down by Hounds of Tindalos, maybe they all suffered dimensional fatigue and "fell" away from the load, maybe they were snapped up by the House of Silence, maybe they all intentionally travelled forwards (backwards?) to a point where they would be needed more and never told anyone, maybe they erased themselves somehow but for some unknown reason memory of them remains or maybe they were the subject of mass Necron assassination because they got too close to one of their dimensional experiments.

All that is known is that as of 999M41 there is only one as of yet unnamed Inquisitor of that Ordo known to still be active. He was discovered hiding in the cargo hold of Prince Yriel's flagship. Nobody knows how he(?) got there and he doesn't seem to be operating with a full deck any more. Bolted the moment they made port.

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>>61123919
Agreed about the Ordo Chronos. At best, whatever happened to them it's a plot point for the GM to decide for that particular game, and nothing more.

Wasn't there something in Priests of Mars about the Tindalosi being rogue, breeding hound-like robots with assassin bug mouthparts originally built by the Necrons to keep their enemies from exploiting the other paths of the physical dimensions the way the Necrons did with the Dolmen gates. The neck runs knew how well that went for them and didn't want the shoe to be on the other foot.

Either that or they were created during the DaoT or by an extinct Xenos species. The description of the Tindalosi doesn't entirely fit with the Necrons. It mentions thrm having fractal weaponry and a spooky green glow, but they also had souls, biomechanical organs, they self repair or self-destruct but not the way necrodermis does (unless the author messed up), and are mentioned as having once assassinated an AI.

Maybe it's one of those things we fudge.

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I don't know the original context for this, but it seems like something that would actually fit really well in Nobledark, with the obvious exception of the crowboy knowing exactly what it is he's been entrusted with and the implications thereof.

>>61126149
What else have we got on the Tindalosi? Also it could be that the Hadex Anomaly appeared at the same time as the Ordo Chronos vanished. The HA seems to eat time but still allows light to pass through it un affected. You can see the ships frozen at it's edge.

>>61126811
It could have been like with The Harrowing. Things from elsewhere coming in and dragging oddness with them. Hadex was the end of the tunnel that they came out of, or the entry scar. Due to their interest in temporal disturbance the Tindalosi were already aware of them as if they had spied them through a keyhole and set their hounds on them.

The reason for their interest and relationship with the Necrons is unknown. Possibly the Necrons in their long history had encountered them before and their superior knowledge of extra-dimensional maths allowed some degree of communication although what they would have to talk about is anyone's guess.

How the one that survived got away is anyone's guess.

>>61128058

He kept clawing forward with his nails for a thousand years.

>>61128968
A surprisingly good episode given the shit before and after it.

Is fulgrimfag still alive?

>>61130580
I am, but I’ve been really busy with the work my folks have given me to work on the house they’re moving out of. I got some stuff going in the bout of free time I had after I lost the dishwasher job but between working on their house and trying to learn to drive I’ve been pretty busy. I have been doing my part to keep the thread bumped.

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>>61131540
It sounds like you have had a busy and eventful time and we are all, I'm sure, grateful of the contributions you have made you mad and wonderful anon. Stay safe.

So I had some inspiration and wrote up a bit regarding the Tindalosi and Ordo Chronos based on what we have. Please tell me if I am missing anything or what needs changing.

Few mysteries are as vexing as those surrounding the Ordo Chronos. According to what little is known, the Ordo Chronos is an Ordo of the Inquisition that was founded, or would have been founded, or will be founded, to investigate chronological disturbances and protect against temporal threats to the Imperium. The Arch-Enemy would love nothing more than to win a pre-emptive victory by changing history and erasing the nascent Imperium from existence, and given the Ruinous Powers’ near total control of the Warp such a prospect is not an idle threat.

According to what little records remain the Ordo Chronos was one of the earliest orders of the Inquisition, and was active until at least early M33, with the last known records being around the date of the Harrowing and the creation of the Hadex Anomaly. However, the Inquisition has no records of an “Ordo Chronos” ever being founded. Even people who have been around since the beginning of the Imperium, and therefore should know of the Ordo Chronos’ existence, including the Emperor and the Empress, profess no knowledge as to having ever created an “Ordo Chronos”. If the upper echelons of the Imperium know anything about the fate of the Ordo Chronos, they certainly are not talking.

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>>61132763
The only record of the Ordo Chronos since then is when an Inquisitor of the order turned up in a blue crate in the cargo hold of Rogue Trader (then Prince) Yriel’s ship Hoec’s Grace in M38. He lasted long enough to answer a few questions from other Inquisitors but disappeared as quickly as he came. Unfortunately, his answers were as vague as a Star Child prophecy and about as helpful. According to what can be discerned from his testimony, the Ordo Chronos was destroyed when its members were sucked into the newly formed Hadex Anomaly, of which as far as he knew he was the only survivor. He survived because he was lucky enough to have “merely” become stuck in a pocket dimension where he experience the last 24 hours of his life on repeat for several centuries. When asked how he escaped from such a prison he merely answered “a bloody lot of hard work”. However, given the nature of the Ordo Chronos, it is possible that this an event that from their perspective had happened, has yet to happen, or may never happen due to having occurred in an alternate timeline that was averted in “our” time.

Even the nature of how the subject of the Ordo, time, works is itself uncertain. Some schools of thought argue that time is deterministic. If time did not interact in some orderly fashion with realspace and the Immaterium, it should not be possible to view galactic history through fossilized light, or for ships to arrive at a destination via warp travel before they even left. Others, however, take a different view. If fate is pre-ordained, then prophecy and eldar farsight, which work by viewing potential alternate timelines, should not even be possible. Some postulate a unified theory of time, in which the quantum observer effect prevents time from being observed non-deterministically, but these theories are difficult to test (not to mention dangerous). Such experimentation is made even more dangerous by the presence of the Tindalosi.

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>>61132792
One of the few of which any detail is known are the Tindalosi. However, this is not saying much, given that the Tindalosi are only known about by virtue of being too noticeable to ignore. In truth, about as much is known about the Tindalosi is as known about Wyverns, or the Arch-Leprechauns of Hippocampos IV. Even their name, “Tindalosi”, is probably not their actual moniker. They get their name from an eyewitness describing attend a Tindalosi attack in late M23, in which the writer compares them to fictional creatures in an ancient Terran story.

The Tindalosi are silvery, biomechanical constructs, approximately two to two and a half meters long or about the size of a large hunting hound. However, despite the mechanical nature, the Tindalosi appear to breed and reproduce much as organic beings do. They have six legs, somewhere between a canine and an insect appearance, allowing them to bound after their prey with frightening speed. The front and bottom of the Tindalosi’s triangular head is a curb sickle, someone resembling that of a biting insect or bird of prey. The optics are large, red, and appear segmented, though whether they are compound eyes or something else is unknown. The head is at the end of a long, jointed, arm like neck, which can snap out with a hunting heron and slice into its victims, sucking out their bio-electrical energy. The Tindalosi are best known for their ability to phase through space and time, allowing them to track their prey wherever they may go.

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>>61132830
Though much about the Tindalosi is unknown, they seem to have originally been created by another race as some sort of temporal assassins, though they have since gone feral. Nevertheless, even though the Tindalosi may have gone feral, some vestige of their original programming still remains. Anyone who discovers too much of something will find themselves tracked and hunted by these creatures, though exactly what that something is unknown. Entire mechanic is workshops have been found slaughtered overnight, all because somebody found some inconvenient fact.

There are three possible hypotheses as to the origins of the Tindalosi. The first is that they are Necron constructs, gone rogue in the millions of years since the War in Heaven. There is some support to this hypothesis. In contrast to their lack of technological knowledge regarding the Warp, the Necrons are well-versed in the usage of time and the “side paths” created by higher dimensions to their advantage, as indicated by the existence of Deathmarks, Chronomancers, and their ability to “phase out”. This was one of the main advantages the Necrons had over the Old Ones and their servants during the War in Heaven. The Necrons would have known well to monopolize this advantage and prevent the Old Ones from using against them, as they had done the very same to the Old Ones with the Dolmen Gates. Creating a race of mechanical constructs to seal off the higher dimensions from everyone but them seems exactly like what the Necrons would do. This is supported by the fact that for all the observations of Tindalosi across the galaxy, these beings actively ignore Necrons, whereas they think nothing else of killing any other being in their way.

>>61132928
Alternatively, the Tindalosi could be human creations, created by the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion before or during the Iron War. Passive mental contact from psykers have shown the Tindalosi have souls, which is not a typical trait of Necron technology. Whether or not the Men of Iron had any souls is a hotly debated topic among modern Imperial scholars. The Adeptus Mechanicus vehemently state that the Men of Iron and Iron Minds had no souls, and the very idea of such is blasphemy, but Emperor Oscar clearly has a soul, and if the Men of Gold had souls the idea that the Men of Iron and Iron Minds had souls is not that out of the question. Esoteric reports from the Old Eldar Empire located in the Black Library may support the latter hypothesis. There’s also some evidence that Tindalosi do not self-repair or self-destruct in the way that necrodermis does, but this could be due to poor eyewitness reporting. Ancient humanity also had at least some rudimentary knowledge of chronological and higher dimensional weaponry, given such evidence as the incident with the Speranza (see Inquisitorial Report: RED IRON PHOENIX for more details). Even the reports of Tindalosi before mankind even stood upright can be explained, given their association of time the Tindalosi could travel to whenever they wished, plaguing the galaxy long before they were ever created.

Finally, it is possible that the Tindalosi were created by another xenos race, neither necron nor human. Necrodermis and humans were probably not the only races to experiment with time or self-replicating, self-destructing machinery. Any of the races that existed in the millions of years between the War in Heaven up in the Fall of the Eldar could have done the same {Ed. Note: Possible link with the K’nib or Hrud? Must investigate further}. Others have suggested connections with the Harrowing and the events of that era.

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>>61132950
It is even possible that several of these origins are true, the Necrons modifying “naturally occurring” machines to their purposes. How we lament how the late Eldar Empire turned their back on what was happening in the universe outside of thier demesnes, and what few records they did amass mostly lie within the Eye of Terror. All we know for certain of the Tindalosi is what they are now, rather than what they were.

Reports of an abnormally large, aggressive Tindalosi, known as Vodanus, have been substantiated but not fully validated. Testaments of psyker survivors speak of a Tindalosi whose mind has evolved beyond that of a simple animal to full sapience, and full of a hateful cruelty beyond what any simple animal is capable of. This has not stopped numerous void superstitions from springing up in its wake. Some say that any who see Vodanus are doomed to die shortly thereafter, though this may be seen as self-evident given the nature of the Tindalosi rather than anything unusual.

Did I miss anything?

>>61132763
>>61132792
>>61132830
>>61132928
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>>61133019
Certainly an interesting read and generally well-constructed. If I were to give some advice for minor changes it would be the bit at the start about "what little records remain" being immediately followed up by "The Inquisition has no records of an 'Ordo Chronos,'" which reads a bit jarring to me. This is easily fixed by giving a little more specifics on the records that do remain, like Administratum paperwork recording expenditures listed for an "Ordo Chronos," or other documents that refer to the Ordo, to make the "records of the Ordo Chronos" distinct from Inquisitorial records, which have no mention of such an Ordos ever being founded or active within the Imperium.

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https://pastebin.com/NTdWZeh4

I tried again.

>>61133800
This is what I was more thinking of scraps and pieces in places like Administratum reports and side notes in tomes in the Black Library.

Was worried I connected the end of the Ordo Chronos too closely to the Hadex Anomaly. Try to leave it ambiguous as suggested by >>61123919

Interestingly, this (>>61132792) is based on real issues regarding the nature of time in 40K. All time travel shown in the series so far has suggested that time is deterministic and can be "looped" (Orikan's chronomancy, all of the time-related Warp fuckery, Pius' journey, Argent Tal travelling through time). It almost has to be given how time is non-linear related to the Warp. But if that was the case, the future should be deterministic and eldar farsight and the like should not work. Or, rather, should always work and there should be no room for error. The Cabal should have never had two prophecies for the Horus Heresy and the eldar and the Emperor should have known everything that would have happened. But there is clearly room for change based on other events.

>>61134101
Seems good from what I can tell. Does a real good job melding the two concepts for the lady Psykana mentioned earlier.

>>61134101
Looks fine to me, though I admit to not having much to do with the Psyker side of this project.
Though of course, that also means that anything new related to psykery is very welcome.

>>61134101
>>61135998 (same)
Expanding on that, I like the implication of Ina Kissa having brained her former traitorous mentor over the head with a staff. It really shows her strength of will and why she was chosen to be the High Lady of the Psykana while at the same time not nerfing Chaos like the early, early concept (at least the one I remember).

My main question is I thought the Psykana was at least kind of like a school system. There is a big sort-of school on Old Earth where a lot of the psykers are brought to be made sanctioned based on the...Rhetor Imperia, I think?, which is coincidentally plastered with Astronomican propaganda and is where a lot of the Astronomican recruits come from.

But then again, this is the Imperium. Almost nothing is standardized.

Did we ever hash out how the demiurg joined the Imperium?

>>61137781
Nothing beyond the original description in the first threads of "Bailed the Imperium's ass out of the fire during the Imperial Civil War when they could have just bitten a chunk off and ran, rewarded for it with the offer of inclusion (the first species to be "officially" included, though the kinebrach, Watchers, etc. were included first but considered to "not count" due to being vassal states, etc.

I don't remember if any of the old threads ever mentioned any specific reason for them intervening. The Imperial Civil War-related threads never seem to get very far.

>>61137683
It technically is a school in the sense that it's a gathering place where teachers and students are concentrated, but for a long time it operated, and thanks to her still operates, under a more Master-Apprentice-esque system than a standardized school format. The reason for this is because Master-Apprentice teaching, while inconvenient for large groups, has the best odds for the Apprentice becoming a skilled, reliable Psyker.

To put it another way, consider the state of the American Schooling System, then apply the inherent dangers of Warp-fuckery. Standardization doesn't work so good when the kids who "fall through the cracks" could potentially start pulling daemons into reality, or becoming corrupted by the Ruinous Powers.

I went through the last couple of threads and I *think* I got everything of note. The Last Ditch, Battle of Macharia, Be'lakor's musing, the Crone Quotes, Cadian repopulation and Battle of Telis Grandios. Hopefully they're all in the right spots. Am I missing anything?

Notes are on the backburner for the moment, have a huge backlog to go through and am least trying to keep the main wiki up to date.

Riastrad will go up assuming I get time to actually write his codex entry in a coherent format (after putting it here for consideration of course).

Of course, I got the servo-brain picture up, so there's hope.

>>61133019
Shit looks good. Very good.

>>61138681
Thank you. You are a wonderful anon

>>61126255
I love this, what's this whole thing meant to be about? The thread I mean, how is the lore that different from 40k? I've seen threads on here before but I've never read them.

>>61141029
40k if the people weren't fucking retards but the universe was still awful. The theme is civilisation vs barbarity rather than order vs chaos.

>>61141029
Everyone isn't pants on head retarded. This includes both the Imperium and those who oppose it.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Nobledark_Imperium

Mankind and Eldar are in a very long lasting Lord of the Rings type of alliance between men and elves. The younger generations of both now find it hard to imagine an Imperium without the other.

>>61137683
It is still an education system, it's just a move away from standardisation and a reintroduction of older tried and tested methods.

>>61134101
Should it go on the 1d4chan or is it too short?

We still have 1 moar High Lord to go. The Grand Headmaster.

>>61141029
You've already gotten the shortest explanation from other anons, so to give a few points of major diversions from Canon lore to go along with the new themes:

Emps is a Man of Gold, not some collection of shaman souls demigod present throughout humanity's history; he wakes up Tabula Rasa and has to get taught how to human by Malcador, making him much more sympathetic and less arrogant with the downside of some self-esteem issues. His name is Oscar.
Men of Gold were an Iron Mind FTL-information relay system/way to bridge the gap between the Iron Minds and "normal" humans. Building Men of Gold required lots of Warpstuff to manufacture their souls, putting the Iron Minds at Ground Zero for Slaanesh's birth. Cue Skynet and the Age of Strife.
This is also why Humanity got abandoned/raided by their xenos allies during the Age of Strife; everybody was getting fucked over by the Prince of Pleasure getting murderfucked into existence, so it was less willful malice and more HOLY SHIT OUR EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE and those fires would spread to humanity and it was all one big clusterfuck (as you'd expect from Slaanesh)
The Primarchs were men of great standing on Old Earth, rather than forged demigods made of warp-jizz from daddy Emps. This results in them having more emotional maturity (relatively, Angron is still Angron) than a toddler (helps that Oscar actually listens to them and treats them like equals, rather than canon Emps "Do what I say, I'll explain later.") This means no Horus Heresy, but it gets replaced by the War of The Beast, in which the Beast went to Chaos and got tons of buffing spells, plus the full weight of the forces of Chaos supporting his WAAAGH to Terra.
Speaking of which, Slaanesh doesn't always eat Eldar souls for good. She tends to regurgitate her favorite toys, because he's a crack-whore who can't give up her favorite fixes. This means a bunch of Crone Eldar with their old Eldar Empire tech on the side of Chaos.

>>61145151
Who runs?

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This might be a bit too swoopy for true Lunar style, and the fin is impractical, but so is replacing your ram with a viewing deck. Clearly someone has built quite the yacht for themselves, presumably for accompanying the Traveling Court.

>>61145553
Yacht is probably the right term here; that looks closer to an Escort ship's size than a Cruiser. It's either part of the Traveling Court, or a project from a governor with far too much money.

An idea for a propagandistic/educational holo-series aimed at the common citizen. A comedy full of action about an Administratorum adept that end in the retinue of an Inquisitor. All around him try to kill him and everybody else is better equipped/trained/powerful. The series try to teach who to act in the dangerous WH40k galaxy.

>>61145932
could be fun, consider a pilot greenlit

>>61145476
Grand Headmaster of Rhetor Imperia and Schola Progenium

Trying to ensure that the plebs know the very basics at least

>>61134115
It could also be a cultural thing. Necron/tyr have/had a very fatalistic worldview and were near atheistic at the time of the War in Heaven (before the C'tan) and would have seen everything as predetermined. So Chronomancy and other arts are seen as "always right". The fact that Orikan's predictions are not always right due to the butterfly effect really bothers him.

Eldar focus more on fate/cycles and have a love-hate relationship with determinism. On the one hand there are some things that seem like they can't be altered, but they know through farseeing that things can change. So when they say things are "fated", they mean "there is a 0.99999 percent probability of this event occurring".

Daemons and the Chaos Gods (and Be'lakor) would have the greatest insight into whether reality is deterministic, but they aren't going to tell anyone because to them it's like explaining basic geometry and they love performing the "you are just a puppet dancing on my strings" act to mortals. Even if time isn't deterministic, they can juggle things fast enough that they can (mostly) keep up with any changes.

>>61148211
Maybe to the Chaos Gods things have become deterministic to at least the degree that they interact with us. It's like a book. They can see the end and the start of the story and even if the characters in the story 4th wall breakingly aware that they are in a story they can't do shit about it. You hold the book. You can see how it ends, how it starts, all the sit in the middle and reread the bits you like to your hearts content because you are a god. The degree that they are above mortals is ridiculous. There is nothing we can do to even touch them. The best that we can hope for is that we entertain them enough that we get written into a new story as a recurring character (by their choice, no ours we become deamon princes, still infinitely beneath them).

Then one day a mortal tore out of the pages and stole their favorite toy against their will. If they were clever or not terminally arrogant they might have gotten more worried about that.

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We were talking about how we needed more Eldar daemon princes from canon given the prominence of the Crone Eldar. I think I found a good potential example from canon, Shaha Gaathon, one of the leaders of the pleasure cults who helped create Slaanesh.

http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shaha_Gaathon

(For some reason the German Lexicanum has more info than the English one)

Also, I don't know if it would be treading on Taskmaster fluff or Fulgrimfag's vision for him yet (since we don't know exactly how the runup to Slaanesh's birth went down), but does anyone think it would be cool to have a confrontation between one of the heralds of Slaanesh and the court psykers of the Eldar Empire like a twisted mirror of Moses and the serpents?

This herald of an unknown god comes before the arrogant, sadistic aristocracy of the old orthodoxy, who are so corrupted by decadence and high on their own hype to believe themselves all-powerful. They invoke the names of all the divine powers to their cause, only for it to fail miserably.

Only in this case, instead of the Judeo-Christian God, it's Slaanesh.

For the rulers of the Eldar Empire, it would be a clear sign that Slaanesh has officially become something that they can no longer control and something is wrong with their pantheon.

Ironically, this would also imply some parallels with history, where the Roman Empire simply swapped out "By Jupiter" to "By Christ" and then kept going like nothing happened in most cases. No drastic change in their belief in manifest destiny, etc. In this case the Cadai just get swapped out for the Chaos Gods.

Bump

>>61150269
On the one hand, the idea of a recreation of the Moses and the serpents story. On the other... Pretty sure that Slaanesh's birth didn't work like that. His/Her birth literally ripped a hole in reality, and pretty much brought an end to the Eldar Empire in an instant, and threw every other ciivilization at the time into utter pandemonium. It was less of a "Rise to Power" where the Eldar aristocracy would have the chance to realize the new guy on the block was powerful, and more along the lines of a Nuclear warhead going off, where they only had time to go "Oh shit, the fuck is-" before everything died, got eaten, got raped, digested, and regurgitated- in that order.

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>>61150269 (same)
>>61153918
That was my reaction when I thought of it. Sounds awesome...but I'm not sure if things worked that way and it was more of an instantaneous OH SHIT moment.

We know that the higher ups saw Slaanesh coming, but we don't know when they realized things went bad or if they ever directly interacted with anything Slaanesh until the Fall started. They thought they were getting a god of peace, ectasy, and joy until they realized they were getting a god of rape, Ecstasy, and "roll for anal circumference".

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There isn't much lore around the Titans that needs changing, is there? They actually transition into a Nobledark setting rather smoothly.

>>61150269
Tread away. Actually I’m taking so long on Fulgrim that it’s totally fair if someone takes the Taskmaster, though I’d enjoy if my idea was carried through.

>>61145246
>>61141029
Oh, and replace the Gothic architecture with Art Deco.

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>>61156697
Ah, right, can't forget the aesthetic changes too. Not that there isn't still Gothic-style stuff around, it's just no longer the standard.
Perty had a bit of an eye for making the functional look pretty, after all.

>>61133019
Can they talk?

>>61155542
That's probably why there isn't much written about them. Mechanicus is till mostly the same, Titans are part of the Machanicus. The Titans themselves are not very different. They still contain extremely strong machine spirits that require a human of exceptional will to wrestle into submission, they are still big robots.

>>61159660
Possibly they can. They seem smart enough to understand language and they have the brain power and equipment to have a language of their own. But why would you talk to your food?

Also if there is a Necronomican in this AU then it will be in the Ganymede Vualts. Possibly that's what the hounds want back (although hounds implies they have a master). There may have been an Abdul Alhazred type character in the history of the Nobledark setting, possibly also the author of the original Necroteuch.

Abdul Alhazred might not have been a malevolent figure in his won right, although he might have been bonkers, the Necroteuch having been inherited or stolen by the Despot of Ursh. From there it was carried by hateful and awful refugees to the stars where the Saruthi got poisoned by it. To the mad Arab the knowledge was just Knowledge. Wicked men decided to use it for terrible ends. The Necronomican never made it off Old Earth and was in one of the vaults that the Geno-Chiliad were guarding, one of the reasons that they couldn't afford the Despot to get curious about the contents of those old bunkers.

>>61150269
>>where the Roman Empire simply swapped out "By Jupiter" to "By Christ" and then kept going like nothing happened in most cases. No drastic change in their belief in manifest destiny, etc.
I would argue that there were other very important and quite negative changes brought to the roman empire as a result of that particular change but that's a topic for some random shitflinging thread on /his/ and that place is a christfag bastion so screw it.

Within the context of this thread I like this idea you have, it seems like it would work okay provided it is modified somewhat to fit with the current fluff.

>>61161051
My bet is that the Taskmaste would have been the one who brought him to the Old Empire's court, at least behind the scenes

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Did anyone save the little blurb with Kryptmann as a Servo-brain?

And do we have any other notable characters that might have become Servo-Brains late in life? I was thinking about how to phrase that and just had the idea of Servo-brains being used like expensive gravestones or mausoleums by important Imperials, who might spend more on a flattering facial sculpt than processing power. On the other hand, the influence of Eldar culture, particularly the infinity circuit and cases like the unquiet dead would encourage humanity to keep a backlog of great minds.

Do Servo-brains retain souls?

>>61161102
Isn't Taskmaster Fulgrimfag's project?

>>61161227
see
>>61156621

Relying on one particular writefag isn't really fair, especially if they're swamped with RL stuff. If nothing else, other writers can provide a "rough draft" for consideration and refinement, or at least a thumbs-up from the guy who originally suggested the idea.

>>61160753
I'd change the name

>>61161171
I don't think there was much of a blurb, beyond the fact that what you would basically get is a not-a-Dalek (sorry Ravenor, you may have competition) screaming about how he wants to "EXTERMINATE TYRANIDS" instead of everyone else.

I don't know of any other characters that might be turned into Servo-Brains (though I think we mentioned at least one). We haven't even really established how intellligent the Servo-Brains are. The normal vat-grown servo-skulls that everyone uses like PDAs are pretty dumb, but I remember someone comparing the actual servo-brains to a savantic R2-D2. I keep thinking of the most advanced ones being like Bob the Servo-Skull from Servants of the Imperium. But it could be like they are like Cephalons in Warframe. Technically still alive, but neurally pruned to make them more focused and efficient on their task of specialty and not the "same" anymore.

There also may be the fact that some people might not want to be turned into a servo-brain. Many of the people who would are probably those on rejuvenants already, and may feel like they've paid their dues, lived far too long, and just want to die quietly. But the Imperium still has need of them. Such is life in the 41st millennium.

And if you become a servo-brain, there is always the issue of one of your old enemies screwing with your systems and throwing you in with the regular ones to be reprogrammed. It would be illegal as shit but not unthinkable.

>>61162722
I think the Necroteuch is meant to be the in-universe counterpart to the Necronomican. Plus, there's no evidence of the Cthulhu Mythos being real in this universe. The Tindalosi just got their name because they reminded someone of the Hounds of Tindalos (plus, there are some differences, like the fact that they don't seem to be originally extradimensional and are biomechanical). Indeed, if they are DaoT creations someone could have made them intentionally based on the story for scary points.

>>61163894
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notes#Servo-Brains
According to this, Servo-skulls are widespread but are basically PDAs that are pretty dumb, while Servo-brains are the more intelligent variety, which preserve parts of the original personality but are rarer. Also it doesn't really seem like the original person is preserved, more a robot that has some of the same quirks as the original. Kryptmann-brain is amusing because the removal of all his quirks except his overwhelming hatred of Tyranids doesn't really have a noticeable change on him.

>>61165166
That would be theoretical. At the moment of midnight 999M41 Kryptman is elbows deep in an alive and still aware Swarm Lord, taking it apart one tiny piece at a time to learn every bit about how it works.

He probably has put it in his will that he would like to be preserved in such a manner to fuck up 'Nids postmortem.

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Another minor event idea

M33 (subjectively), the Melee of the Impossible Mountain – As the tides of the deep Warp continually shift, they lead to the rediscovery of Excalpurnia, the Impossible Mountain, in the Chaos Wastes, a location thought to be lost for a thousand years said to have a font of unimaginable power at its center. As word of this discovery spreads, the Impossible Mountain becomes a free-for-all, as daemons from all four gods battle each other for control of the source of power at its heart. Perhaps the most surprising participant in this contest is Be’lakor, intensely motivated by a desire to obtain any source of power not already claimed by one of the Big Four, tearing through Khornate, Slaaneshi, Nurglite, and Tzeentchian daemons alike to get his claws on the prize.
Eventually, only two real contenders are left for the prize, Be’lakor and Skalaban’thrax, a Bloodthirster of Khorne. In terms of raw power, Be’lakor and Skalaban’thrax are evenly matched, but Be’lakor knows the Bloodthirster outclasses him in stamina and martial prowess and, if allowed to, will simply outlast Be’lakor before landing the killing blow. Be’lakor wins the fight by tricking the Skalaban’thrax into charging him before shoving the Bloodthirster into a warp portal to Pluto, catching the Bloodthirster in a banishment loop until his will breaks and he forfeits the contest.
Although smug from his victory over the Bloodthirster, Be’lakor’s hopes are dashed when he realizes what the prize of the Impossible Mountain is: the daemon sword Drach’nyen, finally coming to light after being cast into the Warp by the last act of the kinebrach warsmith Ra-Ham-Be. Recognizing Drach’nyen for the white elephant that it is, Be’lakor concedes defeat, allowing Drach’nyen to be taken by Ka’junhada, a minor Bloodthirster of Khorne. Ka’junhada is found dead a (subjective) month later, his bloodlust not sufficient enough to quench the thirst of the daemon sword.

>>61165844
There were two ideas behind this. First, we’ve mentioned in terms of raw power Be’lakor is comparable to Doombreed (though he likes to hype himself a lot higher), probably behind only Malys and maybe Skarbrand and Apocalypse Birb among the minions of the Chaos gods, though we’ve only said it and never actually shown it. I was thinking we might need an event to actually show Be’lakor doing something physically since most people are going to be used to his reputation as Be’lakor the Jobber.

Basically the thought here was that Be’lakor might outclass a lower-tier Bloodthirster and be equal to a high-tier one in total power (including psychic hax) but being a jack of all trades he isn’t going to win against the likes of Skarbrand, Ka’band’ha, or Doombreed in a straight up fistfight with no psychic power allowed.

The other was the re-discovery of Drach’nyen. I had thought about making this a separate event, but then I thought maybe its rediscovery is a good way to spite Be’lakor. It would also explain why he’s not as pissy as would be expected about Malys having it, he knows it would be too much for him to handle (though his internal reaction would be more like “well I never wanted the stupid sword in the first place, so there”).

To be honest, we need more events involving daemons and daemon princes. Worried Be'lakor is getting too much attention. We have the issue that regular 40k has where due to the nature of Chaos there are comparatively few differences between daemons in both universes, but there’s got to be lots of opportunities for daemon princes to ascend and daemons to screw with the Imperium and other entities.

>>61163894
Honestly I could see Ferrus Manus agreeing to it just because someone asked to save valuable components from his body. He fully expected to be recycled for parts, but its something resembling a grand gesture of gratitude from the Mechanicus, or as close as they can come.

>>61165844
>>61166064
Or maybe Malys swooped in and stole the sword while he was dealing with the Bloodthirster?
Be'lakor is still a jobber because Tzeentch hates him and is taking revenge on him for how he treated the chaos gods while they were still being developed by the Old Ones, and so making it so that all of his plans fail at the last step is particularly sweet to him.

>>61169138
Drach'nyen was said to go through several owners daemonic and Chaos-corrupted but mortal before Malys got her hands on it in M37 or so. Every time it ended up killing its previous owner and jumping ship to what it saw as better pastures.

Then Malys got ahold of it and now the sword's in the hands of someone even it thinks is crazy.

>>61170529
Fair enough. Just felt it worth pointing out that Be'lakor is still a jobber, though in this universe it's less a matter of "writers needed a way to make something else look impressive" and more "the God of Plans and treachery has a grudge against him and is intentionally screwing him over."

>>61171356
Definitely. Was actually thinking the whole ordeal happened because Tzeentch clouded Be'lakor's sight just enough that he knew there was an item of significant power up for grabs, but not enough that he would know its something he doesn't want.

It would be like if a Tzeentchian sorcerer got their hands on a blessed Khornate weapon. Yeah being able to kill people with your bare hands is cool, but you have to constantly keep it happy by fighting in Glorious Melee Combat which puts you in danger and ruins your planning time.

Either Be'lakor decides he doesn't want the sword, and Tzeentch wins, or Be'lakor decides to take it anyway and it screws him over. And Tzeentch wins.

Malys getting Drach'nyen was probably some huge vision quest thing akin to Archaon getting his gear in Warhammer Fantasy that would be worth writing up on its own.

>>61156621
>>61161227
>>61162043
As the person who originally suggested the idea, that was not my intention at all. Indeed, if anything the opposite was true. It sounded like Fulgrimfag already had an idea well hashed out, if not written up yet, and it sounded interesting. I didn’t want to trample all over someone else’s idea just for the sake of one thematic reference. The reason I suggested it was indeed to see if it got a “thumbs up” from people, as I wasn’t sure if the Fall worked that way or if Fulgrimfag had it working that way, since it sounds like Iygonesh is probably going to be most closely tied to the state of the Old Eldar Empire at the time of the fall (being both an aristocrat and then influencing the development of the god/dess).

I think Shaha Gaathon is still useable as a Daemon Princess of Slaanesh. They were raised to daemon princedom in canon by Slaanesh for helping bring Slaanesh into existence, being the heads of one of the pleasure cults who knew Slaanesh was coming and deciding to help it along. Aiding in bringing Slaanesh into existence seems to be more than enough of an accomplishment to warrant daemon princedom, not to mention the amount of faith it shows you have in your deity. It’s one thing to have faith when your god doesn’t seem to be doing much, it’s another to have faith in your god when your god doesn’t even exist yet.

>>61173855
I would imagine that he functions as somewhat of a High Priest/ess of Slaanesh. Has the demeanour of hedonism-bot

>>61172434
>Malys getting Drach'nyen was probably some huge vision quest thing akin to Archaon getting his gear in Warhammer Fantasy that would be worth writing up on its own.
So, nearly a year and a half in, I need to ask. Have we given a Malys a vision that goes beyond "Wrong, filth! Its ME thats the reason you can't have nice things!"

>>61173855
Just wanna add that I still hope to see my Idea for the Taskmaster realized, I'm just really busy and want to open it to other people to work on, like with Arrotyr. I've already shared pretty much everything I've actually thought out for the guy, and it would be interesting to seen that vague notion translated into something (wonderfully) horrific by others.

Honestly I have pretty bad followthrough with villains, get too wrapped up in their self justifications and philosophy. When I look back the only way they end up feeling menacing is a sense of momentum behind their path, aside from that they end up as protagonists of their own story that run counter to the real protagonists. That works in some settings and contexts, but not so well when it comes to demonic space elves. This might just be saying I feel like I self insert when I write, but I think people that are less attached than I could make the Taskmaster a better villain.

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>>61175844
Her aims seem to be all about fucking your shit up because she really enjoys fucking your shit up and ultimately she feels she needs no further justification. She wants to do a thing so she does a thing. If it bothers you then you can try and stop her.

If she can unearth herself from the cocaine heap and remove the dicks for a few minutes she may tell you of her long term goal of drowning the entire galaxy in Chaos jizz to turn everything into an Eye of Terror tier Chaos Storm in which the party never ends for anyone because no matter how torturous the experience, no matter how extreme the sensations nobody will be able to die. You can murder and rape and do ALL OF THE DRUGS and things not even permitted by the laws of physics for all eternity at greater levels of intensity than can be ever imagined by mortal minds in this era. The Fall was a good proof of concept and warm up for what she's got planned but even the worst of the Old Sinners from the Eldar Empire would look on with awe and wonder and maybe a little fear at the orgy she's working towards. And everyone is coming along for the ride.

>>61175488
>Has the demeanour of hedonism-bot
Yes. All of my yes.

>>61172434
Drach'nyen has PTSD

>>61169138
Malys could probably rape both Be'lakor and the Bloodtirster to death at the same time. Sitting back and watching them duke it out would have been for the entertainment value more than anything.

>>61175844
On a very short-term, day-to-day basis, Malys is all about self-gratification and doing what makes herself feel good. Eat that extra donut. Make out with your boyfriend when you want, where you want. Kill a co-worker for looking at you funny.

However, on a longer term basis Malys is capable of making plans and is usually capable of putting instant self-gratification aside for bigger goals. Some days where she's not that high but hasn't come completely down yet she sees herself as surrounded by idiots for others not being able to do the same. She sees herself as the chosen messiah of the gods destined to spread Chaos to the whole galaxy, even before other people did. Yes, the Beast came close but failed, but if course he would, you need a true member of the chosen people of the gods to get shit done.

Malys does actually have redeeming virtues. Like loyalty. She honestly loves Vect in her own twisted, Malekith-esque way. And she would never think of betraying the Chaos gods (which is rather notable), with the possible exception of if they did something like tell her to kill Vect while the two were at a good point in their relationship, which they're not foolish enough to do so because they would lose the loyalty of a perfectly good follower for no gain. Unlike canon Abbadon, who plans to jump ship and betray the gods as soon as he gets to Terra and doesn't need them anymore, Malys honestly loves serving the gods, because it defines her and gives her purpose.

And unlike a lot of schmucks on Shaa-Dome, she has enough power to meaningfully turn her back on the gods. To be frank, the idea of someone having that much power and not being interested in backstabbing the person above them is unthinkable and kind of creepy to the Chaos gods. It'd be like having an insane fangirl who can nonetheless mess your day up.

>>61179974
>Malys is a yandere, but for multiple entities (Vect and all four Chaos Gods) at the same time
That's actually rather fitting.

>>61179974
>Make out with your boyfriend when you want, where you want
I think she makes out with anyone and everyone's boyfriend when and where she wants.

>>61163894
It doesn't have to be the Cthulhu mythos. Abdul Alhazred or equivalent could have been a mad Arab from Mada'in Saleh. Potentially one of the first cases of spontaneous psykery in the human population and completely unable to understand what the fuck was going on. Some precursor to the Illuminated/Hydra get hold of his books of mad shit not long after his death and keep them hidden and safe.

The Iron Minds were fucking with the deep warp and it probably wasn't the eldar that told them how.

>>61177299
You aren't supposed to use a sword like that, Malys. Malys, no!

>>61145661
Those are not exclusive

>>61177299
>>61182556
"Malys, no!"
"Malys YES!"

Malys has used Drach'nyen as a crowbar before. And given this is the she-eldar who's said "anything can be used as a dildo if you're bored enough", Drach's probably just lucky she's smart enough to realize not even the gods can save you if you're terminally stupid enough to stick the soul-eating sword inside you.

>>61180561
A skanky Crone elf chick on caffeine walks into a bar and slaps your girlfriend AND your ass. Wot do?

>>61182161
To be honest there are probably tones of tomes of forbidden and/or sanity-blasting lore floating around.

>>61183833
>smart enough to realize not even the gods can save you if you're terminally stupid enough to stick the soul-eating sword inside you
I think it would be more accurate to say "Smart enough to realize you need to use the hilt instead of the blade."

>>61183833
>To be honest there are probably tones of tomes of forbidden and/or sanity-blasting lore floating around.
Most were written by some Blue Cockatoo, at some point in the last few million years, on some whim of Tzeentch, but tons is an overstatement.
The wouldn't float around, or more importantly, through the warp if they had much mass, or any mass really, which is easy when you're writing with transient pseudo-particles that flow over currents and swells in the warp much better than paper. Ephemeral thought tomes were one of Tzeentch, or the Azure Almatross's, foremost invention immediately following the Enslaver plagues, and while Tzeentch is no longer their only publisher it is definitely the most prolific.

There are probably also lots of books of dark lore and sorcery written on things like parchment by people who probably aren't Tzeentch, but they usually only float on water, and just for a short time, and usually this makes them quite hard to read.

>>61183772
Maybe for a while, but governors need to return to the place they oversee eventually, so it would either be a temporary addition to the Traveling Court or a permanent one owned by somebody really high up the totem pole.

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>>61155542
>>61160367
There was a suggestion several threads ago that the Imperium lost the schematics for Titans in this timeline, leading the AdMech to customize their titans more and leading to a Pacific Rim/Evangelion feel of every titan being unique (if repaired from a standardized frame), but their loss being felt more heavily (for that nobledark feel). That idea was scrapped when it was pointed out modern Titans are one of the few things the AdMech invented from wholecloth before finding the Void Dragon and given the slightly higher tech level of the universe in general the idea Titan blueprints would be lost seems less likely.

The same poster also suggested the Titan Legions tended to be more of a ragtag group that usual because it was where the AdMech tended to send (because Titans need replacement parts and sometimes you have to make do), the eldar send the more creative bonesingers (because wraithtitans are finicky), and the Tau their most inquisitive engineers (because figuring out how titans work has big applications, if not for titancraft and the Tau have a lot to learn).

It could still work in some sense, given just how damn expensive it is to build a Titan as opposed to fix an old one. Luckily Titan machine spirits are like six year old children who like to stomp things and if asked if it's okay to replace their old gun with a newer, bigger one would go "I'm insulted...you didn't bolt this on me sooner".

In any case, you probably have instances of Wraithknights and Warlord Class Titans fighting alongside one another while Ta'unar Supremacy Battlesuits act as walking artillery platforms from the rear.

Probably the biggest difference would be titans are allowed to work in groups. Titans were banned from working in groups in canon (at least more than two for Warhounds, and at least when the writers remember it) because of the traitors using packs of Warhounds to terrorize Terra's populace during the Horus Heresy. So Warhound packs are back, baby.

>>61184092
Let's be honest here, Malys is exactly the sort of person who would use the blade.

>>61189676
She normally does, but THIS sword is the exception, since it sucks out your soul and is a fate not even the Chaos gods could save her from.
Of course, even using the hilt only works if you're simultaneously imbedding the blade in somebody, so in that regard she's using it kind of like a strap-on?

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>>61183833
Ain't no brakes on the Malys train!

>>61192285
Is Boone in this AU?

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>>61189881
This is what Vect married. I think even the other Deldar think he's lost his marbles now.

>>61196332
I'd gone for nearly 4 years.

>>61194698
>>61192285
I think we've not been adding /tg/ character in needlessly. Even if Boone is adorable.

Have we done anything with the Davinite Lodges? IIRC the only thing we said is that they are still around and still a problem and that is where the Chaos kinebrach tend to end up.

I just have this vision of a terrified remembrancer that has been kidnaped be Malys. She has destroyed a planet to grab him and show to the imperium her room. It is all pink, cute and totally disorganized with creepy details. Like the closet full of victims/lovers/sacrifice and the chained purple-haired cultist girl in a chair surrounded of discarded clothes and makeup.

>>61188575
The Imperium also employs Titan slayer teams.

Find someone with balls of steel, give them what looks like a power ice-axe, some cutting gear and a gun. Then point them at a Titan and watch them climb it's legs

>>61201419
Sounds like something the Happalachians would be good at; climbing stuff is literally second-nature to them, as would be falling at the Titan from above.

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>>61184092
Do the Arbiters have real authority on Survivor Civs or is it only at the consent of the local crown?

>>61202472
Sounds good to me. Just one more way that they annoying the Tau. Kroot find them hilarious

>>61202476
I'd say 'not really'. Sure, the local Administratum facility might have an Arbites contingent as security, but that's all they'd be. Not rentacops, to be sure, but IIRC the whole shtick of a Survivor Civ is that they get to run things by themselves, and their responsibilities towards the greater Imperium are lesser than those of full members.

>>61204755
>>61202476
I would say that Arbites tend to have 'soft' political authority; essentially "You're allowed to do this as long as you never actually do it." Using political influence to support or denounce certain policies that would affect the contribution to the greater Imperium, occasional inspection to make sure that no Chaos-corruption is present in the police force, that sort of thing.
So, technically they have the ability to call down the Imperium on the world or mandate acceptance or refusal of policies, but there's an unspoken agreement that they are never actually going to use that power. The real influence they hold is in the regular reports they send on the status of their world, and thus the potential for somebody in the Administratum to swing by and start asking pointed questions if they find something they don't like in the reports.
Yes, the bad-ass robocop's average workload involves more in the way of paperwork than actual cracking of skulls. Welcome to the force, kid, now grab a quill and get to work.

>>61205919
>there's an unspoken agreement that they are never actually going to use that power
Only as long as the key triggers aren't hit, like significant Chaos corruption in the local ruling class. Break one of the absolute laws and you can expect either an inquisitorial or military crackdown, Survivor status be damned.

>>61204755
>>61205919
>>61206672
That sounds about right, possibly at most providing additional training to the local enforcement agencies to help deal with the latest threats, fitting with their status in Space Interpol.

You know, that brings up an interesting question. There must have been at least one Survivor Civilization at some point that ended up falling to Chaos over the Imperium's 11 millennia long history. That would impose an interesting conundrum, as it would mean you'd have maybe forty or so systems all falling at once and there would be a lot of shuffling prior to things hitting MAXIMUM PANIC over whether someone steps in. At least the first time it happened.

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>>61208048
I imagine that Survivor civs tend to not fall to Chaos all at once, especially when the Imperium is so open about "Chaos exists, and it'll fuck you up," but I can certainly imagine an event where an entire civ ended up falling to Chaos because the general response went about as well as an official UN Military action.
In other words, lots of hemming and hawing about whether to even send forces in, arguments and obstruction of military forces due to debates over juristiction, attempts to ignore the problem, and the eventual sending of a token peacekeeping force to OH FUCK EVERYTHING'S ON FIRE.
At which point Oscar himself rolls up to have a serious talk with the locals about "What the FUCK is wrong with you?!"

>>61210105
I've been craving more stories of the Traveling Court, it's definitely something they'd pursue any word of if the Bucephalus is within that quarter of the galaxy

>>61206672
You forgot the rule that lets the Arbites' shock squads personally bust through your doors, windows, and plumbing. Counterfeit of Imperial currency it strictly persecuted, and that is not a typo.

>>61204558
I imagine they'd get along pretty good with the Kroot too.
The first major prank-war between them would have been horrifying to witness though.

Latest stuff is up on the wiki with the minor tweaks mentioned in the thread.

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>>61212619
Thank you.

>>61200052
What were Davinite Lodges?

>>61215017
"""Secret""" society secret handshake clubs within the Legions modelled after the organization of the warriors on Davin, the pacification of which in Vanilla was when Hours was stabbed and compromised via a Chaos Blade and contributed strongly to the HH. The Lodge structure as adopted within the Legions was a precursor to the chapters that would later form.

In this timeline it's probable that they never really caught on. Davin would not be a shock or surprise to the Legions as they all knew about Chaos, knew what signs to look for and knew how it could really fuck you up in both the long and short term. Chaos education, though this would be before Logar wrote his best seller, was still mandatory for the members of the expeditionary fleets.

To that end Davin was subjugated as quickly as in Vanilla by a mixed force of mostly Word Bearers but under the command of Horus because Horus had the ships and had to be somewhere. This time there was greater effort put in to weeding out the corruption of Chaos because the Imperium was all about finding and uplifting rather than finding and subjugating. Also Horus never goes down to the surface of Davin because he needs a full body harness to walk for any length of time under 1G conditions and as a Void Born he never really saw the point in planets.

>>61215648
Eugen Temba, friend of Horus and extremely competent Administratum specialist who had been training for this sort of think since he was 12, became first Governor of Davin in wake of the conquest. He oversaw the gradual uplifting of the planet, the archaeological expeditions of the ruined cities of the GaBHD (found nothing of any real value) all the while assisting as best he could with the continued war against the inhabitants of the moon/twin planet that was entrenched Nurgle territory. A few years before the War of the Beast the war against the people of Davin-mun (Eugen Temba couldn't into names for shit and every tribe of locals had a different name for the bloody thing). Both Davin and Davin-mun by 999M41 are classed as agri-worlds.

Also as the structure of the Legions was a lot looser and it was a job rather than a thing you devoted every fibre of your being to at the exception of all else 24/7 every day of the year the Legionaries didn't need the Ledges to blow off steam. They had time off as mandatory to help them stay sane and grounded in the Imperial society that they were helping to build. Writing letters home was a most common activity in The Legions.

The Codex Astartes and the Chapter structure were not based in any way on the Warrior lodges of a backwater but were more influenced on the Franjic Knightly Orders culture that Primarch Jonson was cultivating in his Legion as well as reports on long term garrison duty, his own training and experiences of his early career and whatever else seemed useful at the time of writing.

If the Ledges exist in any way it is as Chaos Warbands descended from the old Davinite Chaos Worshipers that, by the grace of their gods, escaped Eugen's purges.

>>61215730
Eugen Temba would have died, along with most of the population, in the early days of the War of The Beast, bent backwards over an alter with his chest carved open. the population that wouldn't turn back to their old gods were likewise dealt with. The hidden Lodges would have re-emerged at that point.

>>61210105
There is also the possibility of assassins. If they do their job right then you don't need to deny anything because nobody knows it was The Imperium that sanctioned anything. If you choose poison then nobody even needs to know it was anything but a peanut allergy or some shit. Unless you want people to know so they cut that shit out. Then you use the Evesor and dare anyone to comment on it.

Also if the survivor civ government wants something done but they can't be sure heir communications and agents aren't compromised then they could discretely meet up with a non-descript adminstratum worker and describe the problem.

The office-dude goes away. No suggestions are made, no courses of actions plotted just a declaration of their being a problem and the nature of the problem. Then the problem goes away. The Survivor Civ government doesn't know what happened no matter how grateful they are and the Imperium doesn't deny anything because there is nothing to deny.

>>61163894
So if not that book what were the geno-soldiers guarding?

So the High Lords remain on Old Earth while the Traveling Court is on tour, as does the Astronomicon's choir, but the soul binding machine goes with Oscar on the Bucephalus so the Black Ships need to go to meet the court before heading to Sol

>>61219915
It depends on if they sort them before they are sent out at special facilities. Also Astronoican duty is a high paying but dangerous career rather than an outright death sentence

>>61216784
>>61215730
>>61215648
Davin and Eugen Temba need a bigger write up. I'll do it if I have time this evening

>>61219915
That was how Inquisitor Thor found Oscar during the civil war; he put a tracker of some sort on a Black Ship. Oscar is the only person/thing that can perform a Soul Binding.

>>61215730
>>61216784
I like this idea for two main reasons.

First, it shows that not every named character on the Imperium's side came out okay. We've said a lot of important people died, but aside from the "famous deaths" of Jenetia Krole at the beginning and Sangy and Arik at the Eternity Gate, we haven't really shown it. Sangy's bio mentions some important casualties and there is also Ra-Ham-Be, but nobody with the name recognition like Eugene Temba. That really shows to the readers that nobody was safe and many of the famous postwar figures in the Imperium were only famous because they happen to survive.

Second, it shows the scale of the War the Beast. The war of the beast was not just a single Orkish horde up smashing aside everything in their path, though that was the biggest threat. It was also Chaos pulling on all of the levers in order to foment as much unrest within the Imperium as possible. That includes splitting the Mechanicus into with the "return" of the exiles, siccing Drach'nyen on the Interex, convincing Luther to go rogue, and in this case convincing a subjugated population to rise up.

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>>61225306 (cont.)
>>61215648
I agree that the Davinite Lodges would never become popular with the Astartes in this timeline. The Astartes weren't allowed to have secret organizations opaque to the rest of the Imperium after the War of the Beast because that was exactly how Luther's betrayal happened. Plus Horus never got shanked with the Sword of Daddy Issues (and wouldn't have survived if he did), so there would be no reason to take him there to "heal" him.

>If the Ledges exist in any way it is as Chaos Warbands descended from the old Davinite Chaos Worshipers that, by the grace of their gods, escaped Eugen's purges.

That's when I was thinking. Not necessarily associated with the Astartes, but just a constant underground thorn in the side of the Imperium in the Segmentum Pacificus and Interex space founded by worshipers who survived Eugen's purges. Try to reach out to all Imperial citizens, not just Astartes. More annoying than your average cult because of their cell-like structure and the fact that they're used to being cracked down on.

Bump

>>61225306
You bring up a good point. The setting is still Dark, so there ought to be a few more memorable names who died inglorious deaths, especially with how the Imperium is on the backfoot against the sheer volume of enemies arrayed against it.

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Do not worry, child. It is not your time just yet.

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Space-guy here, sorry for the continuation of the space-battle taking so long. A combination of family being in town and poor time-management means I've not done nearly as much work on the battle as I should have by this point. Hopefully I should have the next bit up by tomorrow evening.

>>61219328
I think just pre-age of Strife knowledge of all sorts. Like the in vitro growth technology and genetic engineering used to make the Chiliad in the first place. Can you imagine what kind damage could be done if that got into the hands of Ursh? I mean the Despot did force the Chiliad to work for him, but we're talking about full clone Chaos army here.

>>61229207
I had an idea that I was going to scrap but that might work well for this purpose. Let me see if I still have the sketch notes.

>>61231619
So in this AU it's accepted that Salamanders are patriarchs of their own families, yes?

>>61235904
Yes. They are all Prometheans and the Promethean Creed is all about traditional family values. There is great prestige in being a Salamander on their homeworld so they gravitate towards the top of society, aided by the way in which they live for centuries. Due to living for centuries they accumulate and now make up an appreciable fraction of the governing body of their homeworld, even if they delegate the job of managing their patch to someone else and delegate the job of overseeing the conduct of the family to their wives.

As they are encouraged to take wives and they usually outlive them by many centuries and remarry they often have in their time several families. Vulkan apparently married several times down they long years of his life and fathered many children. Given the time scale involved Vulkan is the common ancestor of possibly the majority of the population.

The close nature of the Salamanders to their people keeps them grounded psychologically and gives them a reason to fight beyond just notions of duty. Salamanders fight for the survival of the people, their family included, rather then just because they enjoy it.

From a more cynical perspective it also helps ensure the survival of genetic stock compatible with the astartes upgrades.

>>61234351
They also may have kept a continuing chronical of historical relevance; the rise and fall of previous nations from the day the first nuke fell to the arrival of the Imperium.

Ok. This sound a little weird, but in this setting, SM aren´t neutered monks(Well, not all) and they can have lovers. The kids born for those relations probably will be observed and examined for potential compatibility with Astartes augmentation. They will suffer a
subtle social pressure to enroll in the Marines. Most will jump to the opportunity, mostly because everybody wants to be a "spess mehreens". But others(And their mothers) will run from this destiny. Probable there is a task force of the inquisition following then. This is not entirely selfish, beings like "fabulous bile" will try to put his hands in then... This will be a good idea for a teen-holo-series in-universe.

Did we ever come up with a name for the White Scars-descended Dervish/Medjay-esque Space marine chapter from Tallarn? I was thinking something with siroco in it, given the Frequent seem naming of wind related things to the White Scars and as a kind of low key example of the cultural influences of Biel-Tan.

>>61240371
No. I think we were going to take one of the name-only Vanilla chapters and claim that but never got around to it.

>>61225306
Eugene would have tried to put up a fight but he was deep down a scribe, not a soldier. His death would only have been recorded after the war was over. As governor and instigator of the purges he would have been given his own sacrificial slab at least, a guest of honour.

>>61238639
Just because they have a higher likelihood of genetic compatibility doesn't mean they get the upgrades. Mentality and physical condition are big deciding factors. Most will go into more normal military service be it IG or PDF.

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>>61234351
Okay, managed to find the notes I made. I thought about this idea when I was thinking about Argel Tal.

In canon, what happens to Argel Tal? He transforms into a giant daemonically possessed monster that towers over primarchs and in some prophecies gets put down at the Battle of Terra (doesn’t happen, but still). So what happens in this timeline?

He transforms into a giant daemonically possessed monster, but one of a distinctly different flavor.

In canon, Argel Tal is from Colchis, that planet which is now a weird, religion human-eldar hybrid society in this timeline. Given the religious nature of Colchis, Tal joins the Space Marines and is enthusiastic about the possibility of joining the Word Bearers. Imagine his surprise when he ended up getting put in the War Hounds instead. He repeatedly tried to get transferred, but was talked out of it every time by Kharn and on occasion by Angron in his more lucid moments. Although they prided themselves on their martial prowess, the War Hounds were not the most peaceable legion, and Kharn and Angron liked how the calm, thoughtful Tal was able to play peacemaker between some of the more hotheaded elements of the legion.

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>>61243420
During the War of the Beast, Kharn, Tal, and a group of War Hounds were on a mission to deliver some eldar artifacts to the Craftworld of Biel-Tan. Depending on the timescale of the war, it either was something they were assigned to do so before the war broke out or they were far enough away that the Imperium had resources that it could assign elsewhere. The Imperium had discovered what they believed to be an abandoned Craftworld, and were returning the artifacts to Biel-Tan as an effort of diplomatic good will. Kharn’s mind wasn’t really on the mission. Angron’s condition had flared up again and he had to return to Old Earth for medical treatment. The plan was to ditch the artifact at Biel-Tan and make all speed to Old Earth, especially as it was becoming increasingly clear as the war was going to be made or broken at the Sol system and the area surrounding it.

Then the ship carrying the eldar artifacts was attacked by the Fallen, led by Erebus. The Fallen managed to wrest control of the bridge and much of the ship, but the War Hounds had managed to get the drop on Erebus and take him prisoner. When they figured out that this was the little shit who had, among other things, convinced Luther to go traitor and was responsible for the whole problem with the Fallen in the first place, they realized this was big. They had to get Erebus off the ship and back to Old Earth, if for no other reason than to remove Erebus as a piece on the board. They didn’t have enough manpower to retake the ship, but they did have the ship’s Navigator and enough people to crew a small ship and there were a few small Warp-capable Cruisers docked at the aft of the ship (which they grimly noted with their losses would just about fit everyone left).

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>>61243526
Problem is, the Fallen controlled most of the upper part of the ship, and so in order to get to the escape craft they would have to bypass most of the upper decks by travelling through the cargo hold. Which would have worked if they could have snuck by unnoticed, but the Fallen figured out their plan and came down on them from both sides. At about this point the contents of the ship’s cargo hold were revealed and Tal realized why the Fallen wanted this ship so badly.

Tal was from Colchis. He knew what a shard of Khaine was.

With the Fallen coming in from all sides and nothing else to lose, Tal called out to the statue, beseeching Khaine to hear his plea. No one knows why the Avatar responded to his call. Perhaps it was because Argel Tal was from Colchis, and thus knew all the old rites to supplicate Khaine. Perhaps it was because there were no children of Isha present, and as a Colchian Tal was the closest thing to an Eldar there. Perhaps the God of Murder just really wanted to murder somebody that day.

The Bloody-Handed one was eager to do battle with the servants of the Great Enemy once more. As there were no children of Kurnous and Isha around to serve as a suitable vessel for his glory, a child of Old Earth would have to do.

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>>61243592
Argel Tal's avatar was less like a being of power and more like a volcanic eruption. Tal was a psyker, but he was a human psyker. If he had been an eldar psyker, with stronger, more stable psychic powers and a species connection to the Avatar of Khaine, he would have produced a normal avatar. Instead, Tal’s Avatar was a fucking mess. It couldn’t manifest the Wailing Doom, instead lashing out with molten, metal-dripping claws, and its body parts had the tendency to keep sloughing off. If a normal Avatar of Khaine looks like it’s made of magma, Tal’s looks like an ongoing nuclear meltdown.

Nevertheless, even this was not enough. The malformed Avatar of Khaine may have slain dozens of Fallen, but hundreds were close behind them. All Argel Tal could hope to do is hope to buy enough time for the remnants of the War Hounds and the ship’s crew to make it so safety before finally boiling down into a slag-ridden mess from a hail of bolter fire. If Tal had been an Eldar, the essence of Khaine would have returned to the Craftworld’s Infinity Circuity, to be safely reused for future generations. As it were, having bonded with a human the shard was disrupted and dissipated, burning up along with Argel Tal. It was Argel Tal and Khaine's bittersweet victory, spitting defiance in the face of the Dark Gods. The Fallen would be denied their shard of the Bloody Handed one.

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>>61243608
Having escaped from the fray and made it to the safety of the hangar with the escape craft, Kharn grabbed Erebus by the scruff of his power armor and demanded to know what the point of all this was. Erebus, says there was a prophecy that said if Argel Tal was killed it would push Kharn over the edge and into the service of the Blood God. Kharn dragged him closer so the two are staring each other eye to eye and Erebus realized he’s made a terrible mistake. He realizes the way the event the prophecy meant would push Kharn over the edge would be BY KILLING EREBUS. He can see the gears turning in Kharn’s head, fantasizing about the best way to kill him.

But Kharn swore an oath to never again take a life in the throes of passion, and if he did it would make everything Argel Tal died for meaningless. The spark of madness dies down in Kharn’s eyes. Erebus thinks he’s dodged a bullet.

Then Kharn breaks Erebus’ back over his knee, paralyzing both his legs, leaving him sputtering around on the ground but very deliberately not killing him and leaving him within easy reach of the Fallen who could bring him to medical attention to heal his. Kharn turns his back on the foundering Erebus and shuts the door of the escape craft behind him. The last thing Erebus hears before the doors shut is:

“Tell your Blood God if he wants it so badly he can go get his own blood.”

None of the survivors ever spoke of what happened to Argel Tal beyond “he died holding the line”, for fear that it would leave unscrupulous sorts to try to replicate it.

>>61243630
And that was the idea. Put it in the scrap pile because I wasn't sure if it would be a good idea to have an Avatar respond to a human, even if it is a Colchisian who might know how to properly beseech it and the result ends up being what Ultimate Venom is to regular Venom (for those not knowledgeable about capeshit, the first Ultimate Venom is slowly eaten alive and devolves into a gribbly mass of tentacles because they lacked the right DNA instead of turning into an asskicker). We said Khaine knows and approves of Calgar (enough for him to be pissed about the latter being put in a coma), but we said Calgar being able to waking him up with no trouble was way too much, especially as Khaine is still tied to the eldar. So I wasn't sure where the line was.

>>61243726
I dig it, and it's another excellent hard fought battle with significant loss for the WotB

I was thinking more in the sort of social pressure some chapters(Salamanders/SpaceWoves) will push in the "spess mehreens" kids.

>>61244324
I can definitely see kids being pushed in that direction by a parent. Can you imagine the pressure if you have a father that is an Astartes? Indeed, isn't that what happened to Uriel the Younger? And there was something like that with Titus, we said his potential was noticed at an early age and he was groomed to become an Astartes since he was a child, and as a result had a very sheltered upbringing and is often awkward with personal interactions.

>>61243726
I like it. It fits with the themes of Humans and Eldar growing more similar, and is a case of noble sacrifice and character death that is somewhat needed for such a dark universe.
As for concerns about Calgar waking up Khaine "too easily," I don't think this instance is going to tip that scale. If it was just Calgar walking up to a shard and awakening it, that would be one thing, but this is a situation where the shard has been removed from it's rightful resting place and is in the clutches of the forces it hates, with no alternatives nearby and an awakening that goes wrong somewhere and comes out weaker and highly unstable. It's a case of breaking the rules and suffering the consequences because the situation is dire enough to justify it, not the type of Matt-Ward-style "this character can break the rules of the setting because they're just that special!"

>>61248441
Imagine how epic a jetbike-fight inside a hive would be, with lasers and bolter-shells flying everywhere in the background as they weave back and forth and up and down through the winding roads and pathways of the Hive, as their quarry cackles and puts on even more speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf26gphwadk

>>61248441
Is this the intro to War of The Beast, the Musical?

>>61244080
>>61246368
Fair enough. Will start trying to write it up as an actual codex entry.

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Here's the next little update. Sorry for being so slow.

In response to the arrival of 4th Chanathian Wolf Pack, "Manifest Ecstacy" adjusts course and makes to intercept, while "Jackson's Wonderland" turns about and puts on Solar-sails, approaching the Wolf-Pack at speed. The remaining Chaos ships reform their line of battle and move to cut the defending battlegroups off from the newly arrived group.

"Seven to One" and "Ardent Prayer" return to Imperial line of battle. Strikecraft from "Enduring Conviction" and the Telis Orbital Tether perform an attack run on the "Illicit Acquisition," inflicting moderate structural damage. "Resplendent Piety" begins providing supporting fire from behind the line of battle, her main weapon requiring the ship to slow maneuvers as it charges. Both lines begin moving to enter main battery ranges.

4th Chanathian Wolf-pack moves to meet "Jackson's Wonderland," with the destroyers firing a torpedo spread to force the Chaos vessel to approach bow-on. "Double or Nothing" fires two torpedoes down the predicted path of the "Jackson's Wonderland."

"Jackson's Wonderland" suffers limited turning capability due to the added speed of her Solar sails, and is unable to adjust course sufficiently to avoid the torpedo spread. Two torpedo hits confirmed on the "Jackson's Wonderland," moderate damage inflicted, and thermal imaging confirms multiple fires along the impacts. Wolf Pack responds to inquiry from Rear-Admiral Sprague with confirmation that their vessels are armed with Melta Torpedoes.

Reaching weapon-range, "Jackson's Wonderland" furls her solar-sails and opens fire on the Wolf-pack, which responds by splitting into three groups that move to approach from different angles. "Formal Complaint" and "No You" weather the majority of the incoming fire, though both maintain shields due to the "Jackson's Wonderland" being unable to bring all her guns to bear. "Ineffable Distain" and "Formal Complaint" begin returning fire.

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>>61253195
The main lines of battle enter main battery range and begin to trade fire once more. "Inflexible" becomes the focus for several Imperial ships and soon loses her voidshields; further Imperial fire deals only minimal damage. "Ardent Prayer" has her voidshields breached once more, and suffers heavy damage from the "Inflexible's" main battery before managing to fall out of the Line and retreat towards the tether. "Major Minor" and "Frank Exchange" also suffer voidshield breaches, and are forced to fall out of formation. Voidshields on the "Spirit of Law" reduced to half-strength. Imperial vessels are no longer able to muster a cohesive line of battle, and a fighting retreat is called, with Imperial vessels beating and tacking in order to continue firing as they regroup.

The Wolfpack closes to within their main battery ranges of the "Jackson's Wonderland" and open fire, with "Ineffable Distain" and "How it Fares" approaching from above, "Formal Complaint" and "Double or Nothing" approaching from below, and "No You," "Motivation Dispenser," and "For You" attacking down the bow. "Jackson's Wonderland" comes under sustained fire from multiple directions and suffers loss of voidshields; maneuvers are attempted in order to bring her guns to bear, but at such short ranges the Escorts are able to use their speed to remain within areas where she cannot bring her full armament to bear. "No You" takes multiple hits, but maintains Voidshield integrity, as do the rest of the ships which take only limited fire.

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>>61253195
>>61253608
...I swear that looked like more in the document. Hopefully I'll be able to make a more significant contribution tomorrow, when I've actually got some time to myself to write.

>>61254662
It's an epic battle and you get a feel of the scale of it with the way you write it. Plz Moar!

>>61123571

bump

>>61244859
Uriel the younger wasn't the son of a Space Marine, he was a grandson or a great-grandson. Uriel the older was a fuck up and no matter what good he did in his long career one of the last things he did was let the main Nightbringer shard out of it's box and that is all he is now remembered for.

Uriel the younger never met the older. His inclusion into the Ultramarines, at least for the first half of his career, would be proving that he isn't his predecessor.

>>61225427
They would be more facilitators and organizers of existing cults. They know how to do this shit and for a small fee or even for free will teach you. As an entity in their own right they aren't too dangerous, they just buff all those other factions. In Black Crusades they typically end up as logistics and intermediaries because someone has to do the paperwork and grease the wheels.

>>61261850
And while the Taskmaster could definitely run things without bungling things up, nobody trusts him not to put the good of Slaanesh over the other factions and the campaign at large. Actually, Davinite lodges might be one of the major purveyors of Blood Pact surplus to the far corners of the galaxy, dealing in whatever they can take from post Black Crusade mop-up operations, caches, and if they're really lucky, whatever Doombreed and his core of Blood Pact loyalists in the Warp are cooking up in Khorne's realm between reconstructing. For as much as the former Despot sucks in his quest to avenge Ursh, he works pretty well as Khorne's armorer especially since his arms are pleasingly rudimentary for his patron.

I remember fulgrimfag gave the Taskmaster a proper name, Egonesh or something. What agreed upon concepts do we have for the Taskmaster? It would be good to compile them for whoever decides to write up a more filled out story.

>>61262830
I could see even Malys viewing the Taskmaster's relationship with Slaanesh as bizarre and unnatural. Yes she makes offerings and prayers to Slaanesh, But she doesn't do so exclusively (in her mind that seems foolish when there are three other beings who are as valid a subject of worship as Slaanesh is) and she doesn't see herself as Slaanesh's first and truest husbando like the Taskmaster does. Gross to Malys' general ethos, despite her general lack of standards.

Iygonesh may be necessary to whip the normally hedonistic populace of Shaa-Dome (who are mostly Slaaneshi or punch-clock Undivided with Slaaneshi flavor) into a frenzy, but you can't trust him not to get Slaaneshi juices all over everything.

On a bad day, Malys sees the Taskmaster as a sycophant, the Crow as a babbling idiot, Nimina as an evangelist who needs to do less preaching and more getting shit done, and Arrotyr as an unreliable team killing dickbag. Not that any of the other named Crones are much better. Riastrad is a Leeroy Jenkins, Kaimon is a narcissist and a dumbass, Malaria is too stoned to be of much use, and the Choir of Despair is considered by most to be an overglorified talking bed pet (and may not be a Crone).

>>61263906
I think in general we've been going with Fulgrimfag's concept. Iygonesh Orvass, originally from some minor noble house, a fop and dandy who ended up becoming enamored with Slaanesh and is basically the eager Renfield to the Prince/ss of Pleasure's Dracula. Knew (at least of) Arrotyr, Nimina, and the Crow even before the Fall.

Putting Iygonesh on the Notes page is on my "to do" list.

Tzaangors went up, figured might as well put them up since no one had any problems and they suggested some extras to put on.

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169.M35 The Malalian Heresy - A group of Crone Eldar discover the true nature of Malal as a fifth (technically second), independent Chaos god. Such a fact was not exactly uncommon knowledge among the Crone Eldar, however, the fact that the Crones in this case responded to this information by renouncing their allegiance to all other gods and worshipping Malal exclusively was quite unusual. It is thought that the eldar in this case were nihilistic “true” Nurglite Crone Eldar, which meant this discovery resonated with their worldview and they were already in the right mindset to act on this information rather than just dismiss it as most other Crones would. These Crone Eldar painted their faces white and black, preaching that Malal was the one true god (or at least, the god to be placed before all other gods) and that he was their savior through their destruction. The movement gained popularity, with billions flocking to their banner.

This notion was quite franky regarded as the highest levels of blasphemy to most levels of Crone society, albeit for different reasons behind the different sects. Khornates considered it blasphemy to place Khorne’s vizier above Khorne, Tzeentchians inherited their patron’s animus for the anti-god that had existed since the dawn of recorded history, and Chaos Undivided eldar considered it heretical to claim that any gods worthy of worship existed beyond the main four. Even Slaaneshi and Nurglite eldar joined in, Slaaneshis likely because they relished in the opportunity to bring anyone spite and Nurglites possibly because Nurgle feared retribution from a reformed Malal for what happened at the end of the War in Heaven (as well as the fact that Nimina and the Conservators were very vocal about how heretical the notion of worshipping someone other than Nurgle was compared to what would be expected of a Nurglite) As a result, persecution of this heresy garnered an abnormal amount of cooperation from followers of the big four.

>>61266267
The full force of the Crone Worlds and Shaa-Dome was brought down on the movement, but the fighting was not as easy as would be anticipated. Although greatly outnumbered, the individual Malal cultists seemed to have the strength of ten eldar, not to mention the assistance of the Malalic daemon prince Apep. At one point even Skarbrand was summoned and depopulated a continent-sized region of a layer of Shaa-Dome before being banished. In the end, it was the orthodoxy’s sheer numbers along with the summoning of daemons that turned the tide, Malal had not regained enough strength to form daemons yet whereas that daemons of the big four were so angered by the rebellion of the outcast god the Crones could summon them for a song. Hundreds of billions are killed in the resulting conflict before the surviving heretics are defeated and put to the sword.

New guy here just a question what did Doom breed do to the emperor to cause him so much pain?

I might have an idea given the fight with Ursh was long and blood and like so many chaos lords he viewed death as merely another step in his path to glory.

Knowing that the slaves would be an extremely willing and loyal to the one who freed them he enacted bloody pogroms ranging from giving them genetic disorders to outright putting them to the sword.

This resulted in increasing the disproportionate amount of space marines from Franj not to say Luther did not make his own bed but it did help coral a sizable amount of marines coming from places less opposed to the horrors of chaos.

Has it been stated how blood pact/new Ursh function?

I get it is signed away in each black crusade but how does it function?

>>61266639
>What did Doombreed do to the Emperor to cause him so much pain?
He was the leader of Ursh, a nation that was pretty much the vilest possible manifestation of human vices imaginable, which was the major power on Terra when Oscar showed up, and thus had the majority of the remaining human population under their thumb.
Something like half of the Primarchs, if not more, suffered some form of mental scarring as a direct result of Ursh. The entire unification war was basically fought under the shadow of this monstrous nation, and each battle and each inch of ground taken seemed to reveal new lows of depravity to which Ursh was happy to sink on a routine basis.
Oscar hates Doombreed because he's basically a symbol of the absolute worst possible example of humanity, an avatar of the darkness and depravity that we all have the potential to reach. Emps spent years fighting the nation he created, and seeing atrocity after atrocity committed in it's name. The idea of it rising again after putting so much work into erasing it and seeing exactly why it needed to be erased is infuriating.

>>61266639
The Despot of Ursh was Oscar’s first dictator. You never forget your first time. Even though the Steward smashed through dictators and other chaos corrupted governments like crazy throughout the Great Crusade, some of whom were even worse than Ursh because they were an interstellar power or controlled an entire planet, he did so with the might of an entire interstellar Imperium at his back. Ursh was fought when the Warlord had much fewer resources to draw on and there was a much greater chance of losing. Not to mention the personal connection. In addition to making the lives of several primarchs miserable, Ursh semi-annually bombarded Terawatt with nuclear weapons through much of Oscar’s early life and was the elephant in the room when he was unifying much of the western Old World.
Ursh gave Oscar and the primarchs more sorrow than any other nation on Old Earth, and when Lorgar lopped off his head they thought it over and done with. Then Khorne brought him back as a daemon prince specifically to spite the heads of the Imperium due to their shared history. There’s also the fact that the last Despot of Ursh still killed more people in his reign than (almost) any other ruler on earth in history, a fact that endeared him to Khorne greatly.
As a comparison, it would be like if you were an abused child who had grown up to be this big burly dude and whose abuser had passed away long ago. You think you’re safe from them and then your abuser comes back as a literal daemon from hell.
Although, if you want to be technical, Oscar has still had more people killed in his name, indirectly or otherwise, than any other person in human history, something that probably bothers him greatly. Humanity wasn’t united enough during the Dark Age of Technology for one person to rack up that much of a body count, and most leaders didn’t live to oversee wars for ten thousand years.

Thanks I was more thinking of well things he personally suffered under it as in the beginning most primarchs did not seem to be his friends till later in life.

That's a good point doombreed seemed to rise again after the reign of blood the tyranny of that era calling the utter blackness of his soul.

He continues raising the utter monstrosity of a nation again and again given how people stiill remember the horrors of Ursh he became something similar to Drach'nyen.

>>61266639
To be honest when the end was almost at hand the Despot likely performed all kinds of atrocities just to stave off the end a little longer, since his general mindset was “if the problem isn’t fixed you haven’t thrown enough lives at the problem”, whether that was as soldiers or cannon fodder.

You know, thinking about it, pointing out that Oscar is the one human being in Earth’s history to have a higher body count than him might be one way for Doombreed to really get under Oscar’s skin, especially since he knows the latter cares about people’s lives.

>>61266816
I don't remember how much we had. All I remember is that it worships Khorne almost exclusively, having a cosmology with Khorne as the top god and the other three as his lessers (which is pretty much how Khorne sees things).

>>61267340
I might look it up and try to make something out of it if no one else does it.

I know the basicis he supplies a lot of the lost and dammed.

Rebuild it after it black crusade and makes heldrakes.

That and Doombreed insists very much it is Ursh and learns fro his defeats even if he keeps smashing his head against the brick wall or at least different ways to smash.

>>61267231
>Humanity wasn’t united enough during the Dark Age of Technology for one person to rack up that much of a body count, and most leaders didn’t live to oversee wars for ten thousand years.
Then again, its almost as hard to describe the excesses of the Iron War as it is to describe the horrors of the Old Empire. Oscar's body count is high, ten thousand years on and counting deeds in his name, but applying that same standard to some within the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion's definition people it may still fall short. Malcador was not shy with Oscar in his youth about what he had found exploring Cthonia, the bleak wonders and horrible remnants that scattered even its most isolated halls, and the black land within the ring, once as lush as a galaxy of worlds, on which they dared not set foot. Archeological telescopy, collecting old light from the time between the opening of the Eye of Terror and the gouts of solar fire that scoured the ring, have only added vague color to the tale of ruin Malcador painted. Oscar can think of few examples from elsewhere in the galaxy where Iron Minds or Men of Gold were not despots or fiends that made the work of Daemons and Crones seem rushed, amateurish, and uninspired in its depravity. The Rangdan Abomination, its crimes committed for the Slaugh found to be the least of the horrors it spawned when its neutronium pillar was opened, confirmed this. Records of the stratagems of the Iron Mind that defended against the GaBHDs first wars with the Old Empire paint a similar picture. The beastly Castigator personal kill count might compete with Oscar's, though killing smaller things, and the rate the mad Golden Man in Segmentum Ultima killed would have depopulated the galaxy much faster than Oscar's reign has lasted. So at least he has the comforting knowledge that he could be making a lot more people die horribly if he put his mind to it, if Sol's other children are any example.

>>61267439
He's competent enough to give Khorne a well drilled army instead of an eager but untrained horde, produce daemon engines and conventional weapons by the shipload, and is very dedicated to the BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY school of Khorne worship that calls itself undivided because it acknowledges the other gods as patrons of less important things than ruling(conquering) the universe(galaxy). Doombreed is clever enough not to be a liability and occasionally come up with a bright idea on his own, but Khorne didn't make a pact with him to be clever. He made it so there would always be a disposable supply of decently equipped fanatical veterans at his command in the Materium since the Slaaneshi faction among the Crones was amassing armies to begin equaling his own in numbers if not strength. That it's instead been mostly used in Doombreed's vendetta hardly matters to the Blood God, lives are taken in his name and the blood flows like the ammunition off their production lines.

Thanks I got a few ideas for him if no one does anything with him.

You know all the other tyrants of earth what if doombreed in a classic egoistical one upmanship enslaved their souls and gave them to his tech priests to pump for ideas like the mad scientist Curze grew up under.

I like Blood kingKhorne worship it appeals to the ego.

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>>61268730
forgot my image.

Doombreed has become fond of a patch of stars on the far side of the Eye, close enough to support a Black Crusade but always far enough from the Imperium and near enough the Chaos Ork Empire of Gathrog to remain out of reach. The Arch-Dictator of Gathrog is also usually Khornate, and supporting another rebirth of Ursh is usually prominent in the Blood God's omens when the despot comes back from the warp. Doombreed has also filled much of the sector adjacent to the one held by the Gathrog Empire with caches of arms and relics, hidden complexes, even cold ships sent to drift in interstellar space while his realm endured another exile. Every Imperial conquest has had to brave multitudes of traps his armies have constructed at every scale in every system and world they have held, rebuilt with the buildings themselves every time his domain has arisen, on top of the other gruesome horrors his society leaves as mere byproducts. He's become fairly efficient at rebuilding the Blood Pact from the nucleus of officers, sorcerers, and hereteks he's built from previous iterations, and Imperial attempts to fortify the region have led to his dominion reforming elsewhere in the galaxy, wherever there is sufficient Warp turbulence to ease Doombreed into the Materium, and all Imperial attempts to occupy, colonize, or fortify the Blood Pact's favored place above the Eye of Terror against Doombreed's return have eventually failed.

>>61268865
Narthan Dune got disappeared by the Hydra at the end of unification

I got an idea of how he implements his castes system.

He effectively gene enhances you to be the top of ursh if you impress him.

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>>61255102
Looks like another short update today, and likely tomorrow as well. At least now we're getting into the real meat of the fight.

"Jackson's Wonderland" suffers the loss of multiple guns due to the prow lances of the "Ineffable Distain" and "Formal Complaint," while her hull is raked with macrocannon fire that, while unable to penetrate to major systems, renders the majority of her secondary batteries and point-defenses inoperable. With multiple fires burning and the continued harrassment of the Imperial Wolf-pack, "Jackson's Wonderland" slows; scans show energy rises in her engines indicating preparations to make an emergency Warp-jump. Imperial ships close and continue to fire, attempting to damage her engines and prevent her escape.

"Manifest Ecstacy" opens fire with her full weapon compliment. "Motivation Dispenser" and "Double or Nothing" both suffer multiple direct hits, resulting in the complete destruction of the "Motivation Dispenser;" multiple major system failures aboard the "Double or Nothing," which begins to drift and is rendered combat-ineffective. "Formal Complaint" is also hit, suffering breached voidshields and major hull damage, but remains combat-effective. Multiple direct hits are scored on the "Jackson's Wonderland;" whether the result of shots aimed at Imperial vessels or intentional targeting is inconclusive. Major damage dealt to the "Jackson's Wonderland", including the loss of several major systems and several weapon platforms.

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>>61269576
Boarding parties are launched against the crippled Chaos vessel, targeting her engines in an attempt to prevent her from fleeing. With her secondaries and point-defenses mostly destroyed, the "Jackson's Wonderland" is unable to prevent the boarding craft from successfully reaching her and depositing their forces. "No You" and "For You" adjust course to avoid ramming the vessel, with "No You" passing above and "For You" passing below. Surviving Wolf-Pack destoyers fire a torpedo screen towards the "Manifest Ecstasy."

Warp engines aboard the "Jackson's Wonderland" power down; boarding parties report successful sabotage of her warp-drive shortly before going dark. Attempts to maneuver and perform evasive maneuvers prove fruitless, with "Jackson's Wonderland" unable to accelerate enough to keep up with the Wolf-pack. Multiple Cascade failures wrack the ship as fires continue to spread; further hull breaches continue to be sustained under the constant bombardment of the Imperial ships.

Port midships magazine aboard the "Jackson's Wonderland" reached by one of the fires and detonates. The explosion blows out her port side and renders all weapon systems inoperable, with major system failures across the board. Several secondary explosions continue to spread, as "Jackson's Wonderland" begins to break up. Imperial Wolf-pack turns to make way towards the main Imperial Fleet, with the "Ineffable Distain," "Formal Complaint," and "For You" moving to engage the "Manifest Ecstacy." Bombardment of the hulk of "Jackson's Wonderland" sustained for as long as their guns are able to train on it.

Enjoy the hope while it lasts, boys. There's going to be blood before we're done here.

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Managed to find that picture that sort of illustrated the way we seem to have Slaanesh in this timeline. As in, "presents themself as the sane, reasonable alternative to BLOOD, DESPAIR, and PLANS in a Luciferian/Annatar sense, but then the mask slips and it becomes clear that in many ways Slaanesh is even worse than the other three.

>>61271894
The big "on Slaanesh" section from the really early threads also gets at Slaanesh having a vested interest in the ascent of an Imperial pantheon, since the Prince of Pleasure is set to become its Devil figure if that ever happens. Its channeling its power into military excess instead of trying to compete with the other four directly because it's gambit in the great game is to become the greatest Chaos god in the Materium before turning back around and dominating the warp with the strength gained from its conquests. If besting the other three Ruinous Powers means letting Oscar and Isha survive to become its biggest competition its perfectly fine with that, it always wanted a chance to be a home wrecker.

>>61268504
We've already admitted that GaBHD humanity, even the Men of Stone, would object most to how seriously the Olamic Quietude takes itself, and not care much about their other behaviors, and that they might serve you vat grown long pig at a diplomatic and call you a primitive if you get offended at them eating cloned specimens of you, specifically you. Another comparison was to Eclipse Phase Transhumanity if they'd had time to reverse engineer flash gordon tech, or the Culture if they didn't have the moral constraints that they do and replaced it with advanced transhuman tech that let them ignore consequences for themselves and others.

>>61267231
He can comfort himself in that although many died because him they didn't die for nothing. They all died for good causes and he knows that had their places been reversed he would been made that sacrifice.

I can imagine The Last Despot/Doombreed trying to taunt him with this. Oscar would tell him that his people died as men.

>>61272499
How decadent and debauched was the GaBHD?

>>61273741
It would vary from place to place especially when you take into account the fact that /d/ exists and the GaBHD was capable of some quite impressive flesh crafting. Also add to this that people congregate with like minded people and people take their notion of "normal" from reference to those around them and what you have is the potential for some quite seriously fucked up shit. But despite the capacity to go Full /d/eviant there must have been some at least minimal large-scale safe guards, probably imposed by the Iron Minds after a point and more conventional forces before that, as evidenced by the fact that the GaBHD lasted for so long and showed no signs of collapsing until the eldar empire ruined everything for everyone forever.

So there would have been X-TREEM!!!1!!!1! red-light districts but nowhere near in scope or scale the extent of what the eldar were doing. Also humans had a sense of shame and healthy inhibitions whereas most of the eldar empire had spent considerable time and effort in removing all of theirs and operated on total "you just do you".

>>61266288
>>61266267
This is stupidly brilliant and brilliantly stupid.

>>61265895
>On a bad day, Malys sees the Taskmaster as a sycophant, the Crow as a babbling idiot, Nimina as an evangelist who needs to do less preaching and more getting shit done, and Arrotyr as an unreliable team killing dickbag. Not that any of the other named Crones are much better. Riastrad is a Leeroy Jenkins, Kaimon is a narcissist and a dumbass, Malaria is too stoned to be of much use, and the Choir of Despair is considered by most to be an overglorified talking bed pet (and may not be a Crone).

This is Malys when the coffee runs out. It goes downhill from here.

Erebus must have his hands full herding them together.

Rule one always try to keep Malys supplied with cocaine (not that it matters as she can snort it faster than you can make it)

Rule 2 keep Luther away from the eldar supremacists so this does not devolve into a race war form the get go

>>61277427
Rule 3 keep Be'Lakor away from anyone with an interest in galactic history.

>>61266288
Malal, god of mindless destruction and self-destruction, gets a cult. Lot's of people get killed. The cult is exterminated. Perfect.

>>61267324
Drach'nyen is Malys' pet deamon sword. He isn't enjoying it at all.

>>61276814
>coffee
If Malys is going to be a caffeine junky on top of everything else, she wouldn't settle for something as standard as coffee. She'd be chugging them energy drinks spiked with cocaine and menstrual fluids.

>>61277427
>>61277679
I remember a rambling post in a recent thread trying to capture the balancing act that needs to continually succeed for a Black Crusade to remain coherent, just between Malys, the Crone leadership, and Luther

>>61272403
>[I]t always wanted a chance to be a home wrecker.
*Knock on the airlock of the Bucephalus*
Trajann and Galadrea go to open it. It's N'kari with a fruit basket...I think.
"Guess who's coming to din-"
"No" *Slams door in N'kari's face*

>>61275441
>>61278200
I thought we needed some more hot Crone on Crone action. Even though the Chaos Gods try harder to keep their subjects pointed in the same direction in this timeline, the different factions still fight among each other all the time and the greatest enemy to Chaos is still itself.

Also it's debatable whether Skarbrand was summoned intentionally or it's a Thanquol kind of thing of "You accidentally summoned Skarbrand? How do you accidentally summon Skarbrand?" where Skarbrand showed up due to lingering Malalic influence.

>>61279671
Ironically Malys is actually nicer to Drach'nyen than she is to most people. She has actually tried to reason with him and be nice to him instead of just dominating him, even offering to feed him souls to make up for the time she used him as a crowbar.

>>61269399
That does sound like a good way for the nobles to have their hiererarchy amongst themselves. Though looking at the entry it sounds a bit like a Brettonia kind of thing. You might get picked out if you are a particularly talented serf, but if you aren't Ursh-born you are one of the "lesser peoples". Doing well isn't noteworthy, it's what's expected of you as a servant to your betters. Case in point Jaghatai, Honen Mu, and Magnus were never gene-enhanced by the Despot.

>>61282057
Thanks but I was more thinking of how Ursh fanatic Doom breed is that he keeps resurrecting it refound the high Ursh caste everytime it get's wiped out and insists it's the same.

Except they have changed a lot the blood pact is a far more dangerous beast that is hilariously larger than than Ursh.

Didn't we have something about a horned rat and the impossible planet?

>>61284516
We did, the Horned Rat was a proto-god created by the Old Ones, essentially an early attempt at creating a reconciliation between Malal and Tzeentch. A later attempt at this would become Nurgle.

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>>61282783
Yeah, the Blood Pact's biggest limiting factor has always been Doombreed's own arrogance and obsession, but it doesn't exist without him.

>>61285570
A paradox worthy of chaos.

Plus he ruled less than a planet so he might not be qualified to rule hundreds of planet's but the blood pact is smart and loyal enough they get along well enough.

plus muh BLOOD KING! holy icon in the material galaxy.

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>>61282783
Oh, in that case it makes a lot more sense. Doombreed has to rebuild from scratch after all and there isn't any kind of in-built caste system to go by like there was with Ursh.

And despite being the last Despot of Ursh, Doombreed isn't afraid to come up with stuff on his own. Sure it's not traditional but at this point its the closest he can get.

>>61285517
Part of the problem was they tried making a preserver by flash-cloning and cross-breeding (or whatever the equivalent is, Khorne being made through the same method) bits of Malal. Turns out while a hypercritical self-destructive persona is perfect for your god of throwing stuff out that doesn't work, it's not good for a job that requires empathy. Thus, they created Nurgle from scratch, who was intended to be one part Hagrid one part David Attenborough.

The prototype preserver got stranded on a planet crystallized into pure Warp energy either by Malal or Tzeentch. It's debatable whether it was the Old Ones' homeworld, though if it was nobody knows or cares about it anymore. The Indigo Crow stole a Warpstone shiv from it.

>>61126049
>no scenes of getting exploded from within by millions of nurglite plague tumors, twisted into unidentifiable and horrific tzeentchian shapes or getting bored all the way through by slaaneshi dick """girls"""

5/10 would not travel the warp with.

>>61287299
>Sure it's not traditional but at this point its the closest he can get.
As the Last Despot of Ursh Doombreed has long contended that his will is the tradition of Ursh Reborn in his deal with Khorne. Just like he was perfectly amenable to mass producing the helldrakes that were old Ursh's most elite and prized aristocratic units, Doombreed is fine trying new approaches as they avail him. This is also seen in the manifestations of the Blood Pact away from the Eye of Terror, where in many cases holdouts from Imperial reconquest have adapted and survived long enough to reestablish contact with the larger Blood Pact on Doombreed's return. The Blood Pact colonies near the Maelstrom have been particularly resilient, managing to thrive without their leader present.

He also doesn't quite start over, he tends to pack off the best goodies and specialists from any iteration of the Pact to his place in Khorne's realm before everything falls down and he makes a stand against some fleet and chapter or another.

Continuing with the "Humanity 101 for the curious Tau/Eldar" guide no one ever asked for, specifically the part contrasting the different species (and by extension showing what eldar are like for out-of-universe readers by showing what humans are not). Most of it being things we've talked about in the threads or are from canon/Xenology. Now just need to fix up the abhuman section.

As with any sentient species, describing what humans are like to a nonhuman is often very difficult, especially given their wide degree of variation and high number of subspecies. Because most of the individuals reading this guide will be Tau and eldar, comparisons will mostly focus on these two species. Despite their infamous superficial similarity to eldar, detailed examination shows that this resemblance is only skin deep. Instead, humans and eldar appear to have evolved a similar body shape as a solution to similar evolutionary problems despite being very different in biology and behavior in other respects, similar to what occurred between dogs and thylacines (a carnivorous marsupial that was a popular pet during the Dark Age of Technology and as a result can still be found on some human colony worlds) on Old Earth.

>>61289007
Like eldar, humans have permanently enlarged mammary glands, in contrast to a Tau in which the mammary glands are usually small but get larger for the short period of lactation following pregnancy. Additionally, like eldar, humans appear to be a naturally monogamous species (or at least require the care of multiple individuals to increase the likelihood of surviving to adulthood). Humans also exhibit adaptations designed to encourage this behavior, humans in the form of “hidden estrus”, eldar in the form of prolonged fertilization that requires the male to stay around in order to produce viable offspring. Like eldar, humans have a long pregnancy and give live birth to a relatively helpless infant, something that would be expected given the species moderately large soul and psychic presence. However, at nine months human pregnancy is much shorter than the 24 month long term period seen in eldar. Additionally, unlike eldar or tau (or indeed, most other species), human females are nearly helpless for much of their pregnancy due to a quirk of evolution, which causes human military structure to be unusually male dominated compared to most other species, something that really only changed with the advent of advanced weaponry during the Age of Terra.

However, unlike eldar, the human skeleton is made out of the mineral hydroxylapatite rather than wraithbone and humans have a shorter neck with seven, rather than nine, neck vertebrae (among other differences). Humans also lack the helical muscle with long tendinous insertions typical of Shaa-Dome lifeforms, which allows eldar to be deceptively strong despite their thin frame. In general, humans across the board have less acute sense than the eldar, but at the same time proportionally less of their brain is devoted to sensory perception (cognition is about the same) and they are not as prone to stimulatory overload or hedonism (some of this may also be a side effect of Old One genetic engineering).

>>61289014
Compared to Tau humans have better depth perception and motion tracking, but poorer peripheral vision and do not see as far into the infrared or ultraviolet spectrum. Humans also have a much poorer sense of smell than most species, though this does not apply to all abhuman variants (e.g., felinids and beastmen). Baseline humans have next to no ability to detect pheromones.

Humans are unique among sapient species in having white sclerae, a feature which is thought to have been a chance mutation on their homeworld but aids in non-verbal communication. The oral structures used for processing food are actually modified scales made of harder material than the rest of the skeleton, as in the tau, rather than outgrowths of the jaw plate as in eldar. Humans lack the multiple-lobed stomach of the tau or the simplified, highly efficient digestive tract of the eldar (though the latter is thought to be the result of genetic engineering). Human digestive systems are not particularly water efficient and as a result the products of their metabolism system tend to require a lot of water to successfully dispose of waste, rather than the water-efficient crystalline waste of the eldar (analogous to uric acid in birds on Old Earth). And, of course, although small amounts of epigenetic gene expression through methylation are known to occur on occasion in humans and other Terran lifeforms, selective gene expression and the associated, highly-bunched megasomes and quadruple helix DNA are not a defining feature of life on Old Earth as it is of all higher life forms on Shaa-Dome.

>>61289029
Human beings are also notable for having some of the lowest resistance to chaos corruption of any known sentiment species. On the Leitek-Bonn scale, which measures a species susceptibility to ambient chaos corruption with 50 representing the average species, human score a mere 28, in contrast to eldar (60), tau (82), orks (97), and of course the gold standard of the Watchers (99.5). This is thought to be due to several reasons. First, humans are naturally a competitive and domineering species. Although standing and social structure are an important component of the psychology of all sentient species, no other species dedicates so much of its time and energy to hierarchy, dominance, and social status as humans, with the possible exception of the pre-biotransference Necrontyr. Much like how the tau’s natural optimism and tendency towards social conformity are thought to derive from their ancestry as herding ungulates. Humans come from a group of animals with a naturally unstable social structure and whose diet (fruits, nuts, and meat) tends to be very unpredictable and hard to find. This gives them a tendency to be paranoid and second guess those around them. As an example, most species, if told that something is dangerous by a member of their own social group, tend to believe that individual. Humans, on the other hand, are often innately suspicious that said individual is lying, believing that the other individual is hiding some that they plan to use for themselves or increase their social standing. This was a useful adaptation millions of years ago when a compatriot might be hiding a piece of meat or stash of fruit, but is decidedly less helpful in the modern day where the “hidden” “resource” might be an actually dangerous Chaos artifact.

>>61289046
Secondly, even among their close relatives on Old Earth, humans are unusual in that the neurological architecture of the brain is very plastic and is not strongly genetically conserved between generations. While this is a common trait of almost all sentient species (and indeed, may be a criterion necessary for sentience to arise), the way in which it arose in humans has a side effect of greatly increasing the risk of mental dysfunction and illness in this species. While some of the worst downsides of this were ironed out by geno-medicine during the Dark Age of Technology, it was not possible to completely stamp out millions of years of evolution. This makes it unusually easy for ambient Warp exposure to cause psychosis at even low levels. While mental illness in and of itself is not necessarily indicative of loyalty to the Ruinous Powers (as Perturabo and Kurze can attest) unexpected warp exposure-induced psychosis can affect the decision-making skills of an individual and cause them to become further corrupted. It is even possible that the domineering nature of humans is in part a response to that natural disorder in their physical and mental environments, trying to impose order where there is none. Although humanity’s low corruption resistance can be overcome by self-discipline, individual fortitude, and training, it is always a good idea to check the mental status of human compatriots to ensure chronic damage has not occurred.

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>>61289007
>>61289014
>>61289029
>>61289046
>>61289062
Neat. I like this!
Now I'm imagining some well-meaning Tau or Eldar taking the last bit about Chaos-corruption too seriously and pestering their human companions about even the slightest change in mood or demeanor. The fact that this tends to make the humans in question irritable just starts a sort of feed-back loop.

>>61274170
I would have to assume that the modern Imperium still has red-districts.

>>61289046 (same)
It should be noted that the scale should not be treated as a gospel. It's essentially what happened when two people sat down and tried to make a simple, easy to understand scale of relative exposure to the Warp, which by definition abhors standardization. It's mostly an attempt by Imperial scholars to create an artificial index to define the undefinable to give them some feeling of understanding it, and more or less just puts somewhat arbitrary numbers to the old adages about humans being warp-susceptible and orks not, for example.

Case in point the Saruthi due to their alien mindset have a score of 78, and yet Slaanesh still got their hooks in. It also boils down a huge number of biological and sociological factors into a single number. For example, eldar should score higher, but their obsessive habits can easily get them. It also doesn't factor in pre-existing risk factors on the Khorne-Nurgle-Slaanesh-Tzeentch axes.

It also should be noted that this is talking about the kind of Warp exposure you get when, say, your Gellar field fails. It's not meant to calculate how gribbly you'll get if a daemon decides to turn its attention on you. The same factors that give Tau such a high score (high mutation resistance, daemons can't properly see them without material eyes) also make them toast if a daemon is actually able to get a lock on them. Same with the C'tan, if people could score them they'd get a 100 (actually 99.5 since the scale assumes nothing is perfectly incorruptable), but concentrated Warp energy wrecks their shit (even Nightbringer and Void Dragon, who have a Eludecia problem).

Beastmen get the really short end of the stick with a score of 16.

>>61290874
Those, and temples of Isha with priestesses that do practice prostitution in Isha's aspect of fertility. Though to be clear, the temples are not part of a fun night on the town.

>>61248441
I need this akira

>>61291613
It's not prostitution. They don't ask for payment, they accept donations.

>>61290874
But not on either the scale or level of /d/eviance that the GaBHD and all the sophistication, free time and personal excesses could afford. The Imperium has brothels and whores and drugs on many worlds it's all legal (but regulated) but compared to what the citizens of the GaBHD could enjoy it's nothing worth mentioning.

>>61291613
Isharite Temples aren't in the red-light districts of the craftworlds or the enclaves. They are in pride of place at the heart of society for all to see and be comforted in the warmth of. They are places where the terminally ill and broken go to die peacefully as well as places where new life is conceived. Saim-Hann (and culturally associated enclaves) is the only one where the procedings can be considered fun. For everyone else it's a lot of fasting, prayer, meditation, singing and ritual cleaning.

"Scenes in a Battefield"

Some sketch about things that can happen in the battlefields NI

IG: I think you have a problem with your armor
Eldar: A problem? It was carefully handcrafted to my own specifications by a bonesinger I know for decades.
IG: Yeah... Well... You know... is pretty, but I wear green, the officer wear green, all in the regiment is painted green. You wear a white enameled armor. Have you heard about snipers?
Eldar: Oh! I have never think about that!
IG: Don´t worry let´s look for some green paint.
Later
Bonesinger: For Vaul! What have you done!?
Eldar: Well, now is green.

Eldar-1: We must stop this nonsense for the security of our allies.
Eldar-2: Hm... I think is a good experiment to know the limits of their resistance.
Eldar-1: You say that because they aren´t eating your food.
Meanwhile, a group of Catachan Guards shouts around a companion who look at a bunch of Eldar´s cookies.
CG: Eat! Eat! Eat!

Eldar-1: This is insulting! We must stop this blasphemy!
Eldar-2: Hm... I think is an interesting theological debate.
Meanwhile, a group of Catacha Guards and Empress'Sons are in the middle of a shouting contest.
ES: You dare insult our Empress and Mother!
CG: Fuck you! Isha can´t be a goddess! She is too nice!

Eldar: Who do you think you're talking mon keigh!? I am from the house of Ulthran! I can exterminate you whole lineage and nobody will move a finger!
Administratum clerk: Yes...Yes my lord! I will transmit your request as a priority!
Later
Eldar: I feel dirty! My family will never forgive such insulting words!
IG: What!? You think that insulting!? Seriously? You need to hang around our sergeant... Jeez... It's for a good cause. The Sanguinalia would not be the same without hats..

(Continuation)

IG-1: I think we need to catachan the commissar.
IG-2: Dude! She is great! He saves our lives when she BLAM that lunatic lieutenant of the Schola.
IG-1: Yes, but she doesn´t want to retreat. The chirurgeon says that she has two broken ribs. Is for her own good!

In a bar a Battle Sister and a Daughter of Russ fight. The place can´t resist the combat training of augmented bodies and is shattered beyond recognition. All occupants have fled fearing the arriving commissars. In a corner, a Guardsman waits expectantly with a Howling Banshee observing the martial demonstration.
HB: I don´t understand why you don´t flee.
IG: This is epic! They are fighting for me! Best catfight ever!
HB: You know that whoever wins are going to break all your bones. You were pretty insulting.
IG: Is a sacrifice I´m willing to pay.

>>61293479
Makes you wonder how the Cadians deal with the whole Isha thing given how close they are to the Ulthwe eldar.

>>61289633
>>61289062

Tau already think that humans are slightly crazy and eldar vary between slightly crazy and full on beyond comprehension insane. This would only reinforce their view on it and that they all need the philosophies of the Greater Good, administered by more sensible people like themselves of course, for their own well being.

>>61269170
It could also be that he, by the power vested in him by Khorne BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY, has been resurrecting some of his most capable followers. It's exhausting and costly for him and diminishes him for every dude he's doing it for but the ones he favours typically make up for it in effectiveness.

>>61282057
>Malys is actually nicer to Drach'nyen than she is to most people

It doesn't make up for the indignities of some of the less mentionable tasks he is put to. Also there is a distinct possibility that it will never have a possibility of revenge as Malys possibly has the only soul too toxic for him to devour.

So did we ever actually flesh out Malys's part in the Cthonia Raid? I know we decided the joint effort between the Crones and Dark Eldar was also Malys and Vect's first date, but Malys must have returned with some greater plunder than finding love to lead the first Black Crusade in a relatively short time after as the new champion of Chaos undivided.

>>61296275
Given her personality of "pure id", it may be that she really does feel sorry enough to apologize, but doesn't feel enough empathy or concern for others to not do it again next time. Using him is the best way of removing the obstacles standing between her and what she wants, no matter how he feels about it.

>>61296813
I think she was some relatively no name grunt at the time. It could be that she rose to prominence by breaking heads to get people in line after the war.

>>61296813
She had some how found out that there was an uncracked vault on the ring. No idea what was in it but it had something nice given the layers of protection.

>>61294181
She is a tree spirit. An eldar tree spirit. Cadians have a strange reverence for their trees. The only ones left are grown under artificial lights deep, deep underground. They have white gnarly barks and long leaves that grow like green ribbons. The AdBio have most if not all of the Cadian planetary biosphere in cold sample storage in their secret Arks but these trees never slept. They are each a cutting of a cutting that grew under the blue skys of ancient days when the First of the First Cadians could look up at the sky and see no Eye of Terror. They are each a living hand of the better past reaching towards a better future. This time, this wretched age, will one day fade like a bad dream on awakening and those trees will form a bridge across today from yesterday to tomorrow.

Isha is part of that. She is that to their eldar brothers and sisters. She is the Lady of Dappled Shade. She will fuck you up, she is like a Tree Spirit

>>61303356
Wait, are we talking about Cadia or Catachan? Catachan is the place that practices tree spirit worship. Cadians, or lease those that follow the old traditions the original inhabitants did before the Imperium found them, are misotheists.

The old Cadian beliefs are kind of like those of some central African tribes on steroids. According to them there are no "good" gods, full stop, and indeed they don't make much of a distinction between gods and daemons. However, as was mentioned in a previous thread, they don't consider Isha to be a goddess. The logic being that she (as Macha-Isha) exists in the material realm and is not actively malicious. Because she is not actively malicious she cannot be a god. QED.

This would be a bit hard for the Eldar to wrap their mind around, because the Cadians do not consider Isha a god because she's too nice. It's hard to say whether that's an insult or complement. To them it's kind of like a weird, twisted version of Jewish people saying "Jesus was a good man, but not the messiah".

Of course, you also have other religions present on Cadia, including what are probably a significant number of Eldar pantheon worshipers due to contact with Ulthwe. The Imperium shipped in millions of people to bolster Cadia when the original inhabitants of the planet were only at Stone Age levels of population densities and were constantly being preyed on by daemons and Crone Eldar.

>>61303795k
Cadia is the one where going to temple usually involves yelling at the alter because their gods are not always actively malevolent but they are still pretty shit most of the time. Their gods are not gods of trees as such, they are just found in the deep forest.

There is one caption of the Black Legion who is thought to be a tree spirit made incarnate said to be a direct descendant of the origional Cadians.

Are you talking about Catachan?

>>61303948
Sorry, wrong botton. Are you talking about Catachan practices?

>>61303948
That's Catachan.

>>61304657
>>61304727
no, the worship tree spirits

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More ideas for minor events of fighting between the Crone Eldar

M34 - On a rare mixed-forced assignment from Shaa-Dome, Exaeron the Ineffable, a Slaaneshi Crone Eldar champion who had grown rather vain and arrogant after defeating a Craftworlder exarch and a Space Marine Chapter Master in single combat, becomes insulted when several Crone Eldar refer to Malaria the Living Hive as the most dangerous member of the current warband. Against what most would call better judgment, he decides to seek out Malaria and rectify this misunderstanding at once by demonstrating who was the superior warrior. He finds Malaria rolling around in a pile of filth, completely oblivious to the discussion among the warband the night before, and challenges her to a duel.

In a gesture of chivalry to the lady, he offered her free choice of weaponry for the duel, deciding to rely on his trusty rapier. Malaria chose bees as her weapon of choice.

The duel went about as you’d expect.

After that, most people learned not to mess around with what amounted to Nurgle’s tactical nuke.

Despite the gif, I was more thinking of a combination of Malaria's childlike obliviousness (you CAN'T pick bees as your weapon of choice?) and Aerys the Mad in Game of Thrones choosing fire to be his champion in combat by champion. You don't bring a sword to a bee fight.

You know how Nurgle is now that his wife was rescued and made Khorne look like a fucking choir boy?

He might let out the big guns and summmon the prisoner in the emerald cave.

It took entire Dark Angel chapter, Draigo and his Grey Knights, several millions guardsmen, a lot of tanks, Titans... just to get close to that thing. And Prisoner was still winning. Prisoner casually crushed Warhound titan once titan got close for a second.
Also tank shots from entire army.
Abaddon along with BlackHeart, Black Legion and a dozens of greater daemons were all fighting to free the Prisoner. But Kaldor Draigo was too strong.

>>61295484
>>61291181
I can actually imagine the Eldar getting really fussy about the scale- because as a race that are basically a bunch of perfectionists who devote their entire lives to a single principle or path, such a scale seems incredibly lazy and filled with flaws.
So one particularly-obsessed Eldar goes out and starts working on his own scale for measuring susceptibility to Chaos corruption. A few years later, he brings back his finished product, which can reliably put a number to the vulnerability of any individual to corruption. The problem is that it involves an equation that requires a bunch of variables like what the person's early life was like, their blood-type, and all kinds of other personal information that would only be available to the Inquisition or Administratum. Also the book containing the tables for all the potential variable inputs is over a foot thick.
When this problem is brought up, the Eldar's response is basically "Yes, but it works, and is accurate. Clearly it is superior to that other system." Because of course the Eldar are going to pursue perfection and not get why you would intentionally make a flawed system that's dumbed down for the general populace; after all, if you're giving flawed information to a public that is already established to be dumb, you're just creating a recipe for disaster with a bunch of idiots believing and acting on incorrect assumptions.

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>>61306027
>Before
Huh, never heard of this thing. Guess I'll look it up.

>Afterwards
BY QAH'S CORPSE NURGLE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU KEEPING IN YOUR BASEMENT THAT LOOKS LIKE A CROSS BETWEEN A TARRASQUE AND A GELATINOUS CUBE (or an amoeba or something). It speaks through viruses. In all seriousness it almost sounds like this could be the Nurglite counterpart to Apocalypse Bird, given it inflicted Daemon Primarch Angron-level casualties on the Grey Knights. Given the description it could almost be something from his Preserver days that got moldy at the back of the fridge.

It seems likely Nurgle would have tried to let it out. Possibly suceeded too. He's probably went on a rampage when he realized Isha wasn't coming back. There was that old suggestion of Nurgle perma-depopulating a sector (to the point the tyranids 10k years later go around it) with 40k's equivalent of Spanish Flu in relatiation for the Raid until the pain, hatred, and turmoil that went into it threatened to become self-destructive by boosting his rivals to dangerous levels and cutting into his own power base.

>>61305325
Taken from the wiki:

Catachan gods of blood and wood* - A bunch of nutters with their old deep forest gods. Every god is an asshole who kills you with various flora and fauna if you fuck up or offend them. According to the Catachans, it's really easy to do so. Catachans worship them by going to church once a week and just fucking screaming at the alters cursing them out.

Cadia - A variety of beliefs are practiced on Cadia, but the most common is a predominantly maltheist and misotheist belief derived from Old Cadian customs. Believe the gods exist, how could you not on Cadia, but that it is every man, woman, and child’s duty to do the exact opposite of what they want and give the finger to them. Interestingly they don't believe Isha is a god because she's 1) in realspace, 2) looks mortal, and 3) not actively malicious. It's worth noting that Old Cadian uses the same word for "god" and "daemon", the closest distinction being made is "god" sometimes more literally translated as "big daemon".

>>61309383
Giant slime mould deamon sounds fucking brutal

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>>61306027
Nurgle's whole philosophy and the beliefs he spawns are all dynamically opposed to the whole notion of ever doing anything if there is the alternative of doing nothing and even then just doing the barest minimum. Except when it comes to Isha. When it comes to Isha he is a petulant, tantrum throwing retard child who's had his favourite toy taken away rolling around in their own shit, wailing and lashing out at everything around them without thought or reason. But instead of retard strength they have retard god strength.

He will do anything, betray every principle, sacrifice every asset, to get his dearest plaything back.

The Prisoner is or at least has become the expression of that. It might have been something else back in the primordial depths of time. Maybe it was a cataloguer of different tastes so that all the great flavours of history could be preserved and recalled by licking it. Maybe it was a truffle hound that was supposed to look for interesting or wonderous things before Malal swallowed them so that they could be saved. Whatever it was it is not anymore. Debate rages in the circles of the damned if it's even a deamon, it hasn't shown any over signs of intelligence and only rudimentary awareness. It's more kind of a natural force. It's behaviour is usually very predictable which isn't the same as saying you can counter it. Sensible response is to get off whatever planet it appears on and wait for it to disappear again. In the Realm of Chaos it's safest to run. Most other deamons can at least run faster than it.

>>61308798
>filename isn't cypher_claws.jpg

One fuck job

>>61300838
>>61296813
>>61298806
There were vacancies in the "big player" stage when The Beast was cast down and she saw no reason not to go for it. She would have been of the pre-Fall generation, it's possible that in the days of the Eldar Empire she was somebody and knew how to play this game and wanted it back or she could have been a street junkie who wasn't going to waste the opportunity. Either way beating enough heads together to successfully assault The Ring, once mankind's greatest creation, was enough to convince herself and others that she could do this shit and she hungered for more.

The ring contains 73,000+ earth surfaces on the inner side. She assaulted an unopened storage facility amidst all off that broken landscape. The automated defences were still functional but she knew enough to get past the worst of them and was strong enough to overpower the rest. It is obvious that she had information on all of this before setting off, she couldn't have been just winging it or she would be dead the moment she stepped past the first locked door. Where did she get this information? Malcador got it ultimately from Gahet who used to work there. Did she get it from Castigator? From Tzneetch? Who can say.

Vect, himself also just a little fish at the time, was also there in a more opportunistic manner. He wanted the people that were stationed on The Ring that were now less guarded because forces were being redeployed to Sol or were getting Orked. He tagged along with the Croneworlders because he'd already got his needed slave quota, shit looked interesting and the mad bitch leading the Crone Eldar was giving him a raging boner.

Ultimately the expedition was a failure in the conventional sense because the box had been emptied centuries ago. Whoever had done so had either gone in by another means or re-locked everything on the way out. And left a not saying "The greatest treasure of all is love".

>>61313405
It is suspected to be Ceggers who got there first because leaving that note and resetting all the traps is the sort of thing he would do. Also there are few other people who could have gotten in and survived. If it was him it was a joke that backfired horribly because both Vect and Malys took that note to heart and made a truly devastating couple.

And nobody has ever asked the question; What actually was in that box? People just assume that it was a weapon but Ceggers generally hasn't got much interest in weapons of war. He could have taken it just to spite Malys and Vect but if that was the case he would probably have just smashed it up irreparably to taunt them with the pieces. It is a question nobody has ever asked, not that they would get a straight answer.

>>61282783
Doombreed has also changed as much as Ursh into the Bloodpact. For one thing Doombreed had a real name once upon a time. Also when he was the Despot of Ursh he was very much Chaos Undivided and followed and venerated all the gods equally. Now he's a Deamon-Prince of Khorne who worships Khorne exclusively and although he allows the worship of the other 3 in his realm he demands the worship of his patron.

>>61293488
Is Catachaning the Commissar still a thing in this AU? Seems that they are less BLAMhappy and therefore less hated.

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>>61315063
Yes, it's still a thing; not all the Commissars got the memo about not being BLAMhappy, and the ones that seem like they'd be trouble tend to get either assignments aimed at teaching them to requisition some chill-pills, or a trial by fire.
To be fair, in this setting it's less that the Catachans do it frequently, and more that they were willing to actually go through with it when they did get some bad eggs, and have thus garnered a reputation that, while based on truth, has been blown way out of proportion.
There's also an alternate connotation, where "Catachaning the Commissar" is synonymous with dragging the Commissar along for a night on the town and forcibly making them have fun. It's a matter of debate which connotation the Commissars find more frightening.

>>61311679
Some of the things Nurgle did in the immediate aftermath of the Raid had long term consequences, and were extremely noteworthy achievements, but they only kept coming in the time before Nurgle sunk back into his natural state of mostly passive decay. Some of his deeds included making a strain of Ork fungus that was much more susceptible to chaos corruption, though cut off form Old One programming and Whaagh effects, loosing the thing in his dungeon, and depopulating an entire sector of multicellular life. He couldn't sustain the level of activity for long, and was fairly quick to go back to moping, and it was servants like Nimina that have been the ones to cary on his restitution, hoping to recapture his wife and return to the state they had been at peace in.

The bout on distinctly un-nurglite creative activity immediately following the raid was one of the Tzeentchian side's first sign that the gambit hadn't been a total failure, and while they lost Isha they had succeeded in swinging the coming age for Tzeentch instead of Nurgle, which was the longer term goal.

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>>61315209
>"Catachaning the Commissar" is synonymous with dragging the Commissar along for a night on the town and forcibly making them have fun

I really like this. Holy shit yes I do, it's infinite potential for fun and havoc.

>>61317475
>"Dragging me out to some dark alley to be shot, is it, you traitors?!"
>"Naw, the only shots tonight gon' be Jack and Daniels, Sah!"
>"...Please tell me Jack and Daniels is the name of the friends you're going to have shoot me."
It was not the name of some nondescript "friends" who would shoot him.

>>61315209

IG-1 This is all your fault!
ZapZapZap
Cultist:Die in name of Khorne!
BlamBlamBlam
IG-2 My fault!? WTF!?
BuddaBuddaBudda
Cultist:Nobody will save you!
DakaDakaDaka
IG-1 Yes! If the Commisard wasent uterly wasted, she would have seen that Tymmy has fallen!

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>>61315209
>>61318816
A night on the town trying to get the Commissar to lighten up could be fatal for him as the Catachan are all at least part Ogyrn.

Which adds another point. It would be just as fucking terrifying for the locals. Assuming there is a town to have fun in then they are either arriving before the shit happens or are securing a world after shit has happened or to prevent shit happening. Catachan women are all well over six foot tall, built like brick shit houses and give approximately 0 fucks because no matter how dangerous the local neighborhood is they grew up with worse dangers and cut up their first ork age 12 and a half. And they habitually go around armed (everywhere) due to the possible punishment for misplacing your laser rifle.

And then you add alcohol.

The night ends with two creatures that look like human tank hybrids having a bare knuckles boxing match, exchanging blows that would break a lesser mans entire rib cage to the cheers of their fellow "I-Can't-Believe-It's-A-Human"s. Their reason for beating on each other? It'd been days since the last good fist fight. That's it. They wanted to fight so they had a fight.

>>61320862
Can you imagine the nights in Kronus? Taldeer, Gebbet, LIVII and probably a cell of high-level acolites against half-crazed veteran guardsmen armed to the teeth and were the bar owners are as armed and trigger-happy as the clientele.

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So how regressed are the Olamic Quietude from non-Iron Mind or Golden Man GaBHD transhumanism, particularly in comparison to the Mechanicus, Biologicus, or any other high transhumanism Imperial subfactions?

>>61321959
Above what the AdMech can reliably do but not by GaBHD levels. Each infantry unit has the equivalent speed of a fully equipped space marine but is noticeably stronger and more resilient. Their hand held weapons could be thought of as rapid fire plasma rifles.

The units are mostly disposable hardware. Only the thinking boxes that act as a hub and house the "people" are inhabited. Exception for the young ones where it's one brain to a unit, you have to earn more units.

For such a small empire they are extremely hard.

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>>61321959
By the standards of the GABHD the Olamic Quietude are interesting but nothing to write home about. Brain in a jar transhumanism was not particularly unusual among Golden Age humanity and many people went far beyond what the Olamics did.

By the standard of Golden Age humanity, the Olamic Quietude would be comparing to North Korea as viewed by most of major countries. Distinct and united enough to be considered their own "people", but xenophobic, aggressive, and technologically backwards for all their aggrandizement. They have no real advanced A.I., etc. The Olamics are advanced but only in comparison to address the galaxy. The GaBHD wouldn't give two shits about the nature of the Quietude, but they would take the issue with the whole "we are the superior beings, kill the normies" mindset. However, the Quietude are such a non-factor by their standards they would just quarantine them and go on with their business (kind of like North Korea pre-nuke).

By the standard of the Imperium, the Quietude are like modern (or possible 1950's) North Korea teleported into the renaissance. They quarantine them not because they have the luxury of ignoring them, but because going to war would be too costly.

The other thing to consider is that unlike the majority of the other factions, the Olamics no taboos on inventing and innovation. Indeed, they have fewer taboos then those who do like the Tau and Interex. So Olamic technology in M41 is more advanced than M30. Either way it's still a far cry from what any race (except the Tau, Kroot, etc.) were capable of the DaoT.

The Mechanicus are said to consider the Quietude to be tech-heresy of the highest degree. But that was back when we had them as uploads rather than brain in a jar.

>>61320862
Reminds me of that thing in that thread a long time ago about soldiers from the Mongol hordes behaving like tourists.

>>61320862
Of course, it's the Commissar's job to, if not break up the fight, at least keep it contained. Official policy recommends acting as a referee of sorts, try to give it some semblance of order so that civvies don't get caught in the crossfire.
This is also part of why the effective commissars always seem to turn out as such hard-assed forces of personality- the ones who can restore order on a bunch of drunken guardsmen whose first response to threats would be to punch you are the ones who tend to live longest.

Bump

so what's the cruelest Oscar or Isha would ever intentionally be in an interaction with an imperial citizen?

>>61328458
Isha: Killing him slowly whithout a thougt trought a lot of thorns rising from the ground(Is in the wiki)

Oscar:Crushing him telekinetically until he is no bigger that a tennis ball(Again in the wiki).

>>61328458
Depends on the stakes. Neither are sadistic but they wouldn't pussy out either

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>>61323920
They also have been knocked back as hard as anyone else during galactic catastrophes so they aren't godlike.

AdMech still consider them fucking awful because it is innovation without restraint and development without morality. Add to this that they are inhumanly cruel for no reason and have made their intentions towards the rest of humanity very clear.

>>61321959
They are more advanced than the AdMech across the board but not possibly more advanced than theAdBio because they don't need to be. The flesh is a liability no matter what you do to it and their worlds are naturally dead and pretty sterile. They have no real need for excessive biology.

But despite this they are not an unbroken continuation from the GaBHD despite claims to the contrary. Eactly what they were to the GaBHD is unknown. It's a distinct possibility that they were a bunch of unpleasant hermits, the GaBHD equivalent of North Korea. Or they might not have been so bad back in the old days. Their shitty attitudes considered more overlapping with the darker parts of the Dominion.

In any case they are massively regressed from the GaBHD and although they have improved since Russ and Bjorn first declared Vendetta upon them they have not improved uninterrupted or to such a degree that they would be insurmountable in war. A fact possibly aided by their possibly bizarre leadership (if a previous thread is anything to go on) and incredibly selfish and uncooperative natures.

>>61329588
That pic is more or less how I imagined Macha-Isha to look

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I was reading about how we've set up the Severan Dominate after the new Blood Pact stuff in the thread, It would be interesting to have the Dominate have to deal with their unpleasant neighbor sector for the first time without Imperial assistance, and with Imperial forces on their other flank. it would be an interesting study in desperation from the Dominate and sadly constrained mercy from the Imperium. Eventually the Dominate would have to fold, but when and how dictates how much of the Calixis sector the Blood Pact and Slaugh might gobble up before Imperial forces could retake it.

>>61332874
Are they located near each other?

>>61330079
Was that the.human farms and brains wired together to make an organic super computer?

>>61333507
both northwest of the eye of terror

>>61331735
She needs the face tattoos.

>>61336156
Beat me to it

>>61329205
Yeah, you can see it in how Oscar keeps the Night Lords around. Fast, terrifying, and above all *effective* responses are what helps keep order.

>>61329205
>>61338386
Servitorization too. Dead is dead is dead, and though that may mean your soul is forfeit to the neverborn it is just too abstract for most people get their heads around.

The idea of being turned into a servitor by most people is fucking terrifying. Everyone knows of servitors, how could you not in the Imperium? However, the vast, vast majority of them outside of the areas like Mars are vat-grown clones. They never were people, they never had a chance to be. So most people see them as no more interesting than we would see a computer or a piece of construction equipment.

That what being turned into a servitor means. You are stripped of your humanity, turned into a thing, no better than a common household object, just like the things you use every day . Indeed it's even worse in this timeline given that most servitors are flash-cloned. People could come in using you a thousand times, and not one that realize that you used to be an actual person, not the same as the other servitors. And you stay that way, a tool for people to use. Forever.

The only upside to this is that servitorization is really rare and is typically reserved for most heinous crimes. Like stuff even worse than murder. Other times people will be given the choice between servitorization something else to put them between a rock and hard place. It's not like canon where you get servitorized for looking at someone funny. And arco-flagellants and peninent engines are just plain banned.

bump

>>61342758
>What's wrong with these mon-keigh?

>>61338676
>And arco-flagellants and peninent engines are just plain banned
Oscar's recorded reaction
>are these Urshi designs?
>well in any case if any have been found or made destroy them.
>and if the makers are still living...
>if its archival then why even bring it up?
>no, just seal it.

Here's a suggestion for what happened during the events Achillus crusade. The Necrons win.

The Achillus crusade started when a group of eldar farseers got a vision of a massive Webway gate, big enough to fit a Craftworld, located in the Jericho Reach. By the standards of the Old Empire it was an outdated thing, built-in the days in which the eldar still ferried fleets around to war rather than having one gigantic Empire linked through numerous small gates that they mostly stuck to, but by the standards of the modern Imperium it was a miraculous discovery. Exactly what happened to the gate varied from vision to vision, but there was no doubt the gate existed. The elder weren't esure where the other end was, but they knew it was somewhere in the Segmentum Obscurus, it wasn't destroyed, and it wasn't being squatted on by Crones (it's possible this is the gate that Lugganath claims they found).

A stable Webway gate of that size between the Segmentum Obscurus and Ultima would be a really huge deal. It would drastically reduce travel time across the Galaxy, and being such a large and "hardened" artery of the Webway, it might be stable enough to even allow regular traffic.

>>61344838
The Jericho Reach is located just west of the Hadex Anomaly, the "fuck your this is our universe" Warp storm that Chaos created in response to the Harrowing. However, the anomaly was slowly receding, and it was predicted that the Jericho sector would soon drop from "Chaos everywhere" levels to merely "highly corrupted", making it possible to travel there.

The bad news was that the farseers also saw that the Jericho reach was home to a heavy Necron presence, and this was in M40, just after the Silent King and the Imperium had their little brushfire war and the Silent King was looking to expand his power. There was a brief window of opportunity between the ebbing of the anomaly in the waking of the Necrons. The plan was to secure the Jericho sector, secure the Webway gate and move it out of the region of possible, and finally try to take the Necrons apart piecemeal before they could become fully active and drive them out.

Oh, and bring the Deathwatch, the farseers say, you're going to need it.

>>61344846
The plan goes poorly from the start. First, the flagship of the operation, containing Lord commander Achillus, suffers a catastrophic Geller field failure before even getting to the Jericho reach. Achillus was considered a good commander with a decent field record. His replacement, Solomon Tetrarchus, was not.

Oh, make no mistake, there was no indication that Tetrarchus was a bad commander before, but he completely unravel during the crusade. He micromanaged everything and would promote and demote people on a whim. Half the crusade consisted of people doing things behind Tetrarchus' back just to get stuff done. Tetrarchus was also paranoid sbout the tau (had no problem with eldar or other species though), who had only recently joined the Imperium, which was a problem because this was a major joint operation.

>>61344861
Tetrarchus claimed the tau were only helping because they wanted the worlds of the Jericho Reach for themselves. The tau say yes, it would be nice to colonize some of these worlds, but they were more intrested in keeping Chaos off their doorstep. This kind of mistrust made it very hard to coordinate operations in the Jericho Reach, which was infested by Chaos, orks, and Chaos orks. Then a tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathans or Kraken gets thrown into the mix.

Then the Necrons of the region wake up in full. They blitz the forces in the Jericho Reach, Imperial, Chaos, ork, and tyranid alike, to the point that the scattered survivors realize they were only still alive because the necrons decided to stop and they happened to be far enough away from the splash zone. It wasn't even a fair fight. The necrons had gotten what they wanted and didn't give a shit about the rest of the sector.

The good news is the supposed location of the Webway gate is just outside of the Necron's zone of control. The Imperium has been planning another campaign to get the Webway gate and clear out as much as they can close to the Hadex Anomaly, but whether they can is another story.

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>>61344877
Basically, a long awaited Necron victory for the fluff, compounded by the fact that the Necrons in canon were always treated as these big boogiemen in the Jericho reach and they had a lot of Tomb Worlds there, plus some connections to what was suggested for the Hadex Anomaly and Ephrael Stern (specifically that's she is currently on her way to help clean out the reach).

>>61338676
Also remember that servitors aren't as common outside the AdMech as they are in Vanilla. This is intentional as a bored and dissatisfied populace is far more likely to turn to Chaos. Too many servitors would flood the job market for low skilled workers. Servitors are reserved for only the very worst jobs.

AdMech still love them though

>>61344838
>>61344846
>>61344861
>>61344877
>>61344963
I like it, especially since recovering the situation would mean the Deathwatch would have to engage in a little more diplomacy than usual as they try patch things up with the Tau, maybe even persuade Orks to attack the 'Crons as well.

That said, I thought the Imperium already knew where the other end of the Jericho gate was in the Koronus Reach?

>>61346729
It makes you wonder if the AdBio ever created their equivalent of servitors, although that could be blasphemy to them.

>>61343838
Nord-Afrik also used arco-flagellants. Ursh typically didn't have the technical skills and just stuck deamons in things because it's not a part until everyone's eyes are bleeding.

bump

>>61344877
How harsh are punishments for being shit at your job at this level of command. Is Tetrarchus looking at demotion or a noose?

You know how chaos human/mortal/trash is more competent?

How would that effect things I mean most space marines rightly believe cultists are not worth the ammunition.

It must be a lot more attractive to mortal traitors obviously.

It does not help that thanks to warp rifts allow a
local superiority of numbers

>>61352720
If he's not already dead from the Necrons, I can see this being a situation where an Eversor gets authorized, or perhaps a more covert assassin. The demotion/dishonorable discharge is a given, and somebody like that is ripe for Chaos to take advantage of their bitterness, so removing them from the equation is a grim necessity.

>>61352747
Four words: blades don't need reloading. Alternatively, you partner up with a guard regiment that has lots of cheap, easily reloadable weaponry. There's a reason branches of the Imperial military coordinate more in this timeline.

Of course, if you are an Astartes, the real worry when fighting the Lost and the Damned is not necessarily their weaponry, but stepping on an anti-tank landmine that they set up somewhere unconventional. Like a hallway. The Lost and the Damned know how to give Astartes undignified deaths.

>>61354093
to true on space marines

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>>61352747
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>>61355011
You could almost imagine a group of Lost and Damned sitting around a campfire, with one of them talking about the day they killed a space marine. It kind of goes with their "anachronistic and degenerative" aesthetic in that they're wielding chainswords and cleaning lasguns but they're sitting around a campfire telling stories like Vikings with the person who brought down a space marine sounding a lot like a caveman proud delivering the finish and blow to a mammoth.

Killing an Astartes is probably a huge mark of honor among them. Heck, you could probably make a special character on that concept.

>>61352892
If he hasn't already been killed by the Necrons it would be a perfect case for the Venenum. Killing people discreetly is their thing. Of course, that depends on how badly the Imperium sees their fuck up. I.e., if they blame the failure on Tetrarchus or if they see it as "Necrons too stronk, try again next time". Fulgrim also screwed up micromanaging his troops (but not as bad) and didn't get Eversored, though it seems like Fulgrim realized he was at least partly to blame for it.

>>61347427
In canon they do, but the official fluff just uses it as a reason for grimdark (they sent you to Obscurus and now you're in Ultima) and crossovers with DH and Only War (why the hell are you sending troops through the spooky warpgate instead of securing the end in realspace first?)

I was also leaving it open whether the other end of the gate was the one Lugganath found. They've been trying to keep it a secret, and if the gate in the Koronus Expanse was widely known people would go "Yeah, we know about that gate, everyone knows about that gate".

>>61355460
Good point on their vibe

>>61352720
>>61352892
Question. Is coincidence that Ephrael Stern have been sent to the zone? Hm?

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>>61356489
Ephrael Stern, for when you really want a problem and the problems standing next to it solved.

>>61147986
The Grand Headmaster of Rhetor Imperia and Schola Progenium would most probably not be a teacher themselves. They would be a transfer from the Administratum as taking a skilled teacher out of a teaching position to do paper shuffling is a waster of everyone's time. Their job is to ensure that the minimal standards of pleb education are upheld (Chaos and how to deal with it being the priority), the Schola continues to churn out specialists and the private tutors of the great and good (rich and noisy) are sufficiently vetted to make sure that at least some of them aren't cultists because the Headmaster is still getting shit for that pedophile chaos worshiper getting assigned to the APEX twins.

To this end the Grand Headmaster would have some cross board influence or at least business with both the Imperial Army and the Administratum. He might have tried sticking his dick in the Psykana under the regime of the previous top sanctioned witch (or more probably his predecessor did) and that might account for the botched and aborted attempts at modernization and standardization. More recent attempts to impose modern teaching techniques on the psychics have been met with considerable resistances and valid threats of violence.

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>>61356489
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This can be a interesting history full of political intrigue. Maibe Tetratchus can´t be demoted because politics or a Farseer predict that he will fall to chaos if retired. Stern is send to clean the chaotic terrain around the Hapex. She is the Demonifugue after all. But she is a competent commader. Tetrachus smell something funny and begin to really be nervous. Chaos will try to push the situation and meanwhile Calidus and Vellorum begin to move.

>>61357457
The only concern would be that in the suggestion above (>>61344846) the fight for the Jericho reach seems to have taken place in M40, when the Tau were still an unknown factor in how well they'd mesh with the Imperium and the Silent King was getting uppity. Which would mean 2000 years have passed since then, since Stern isn't that old. We could move it up closer to its canon date, but I don't know what the pros/cons of it are.

>>61359369
I want to date an Eldar so damn much.

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>>61361863
They would see you as a mucky or. a child. Only reason Cadias get the elf fussy is because they could all die tomorrow and the Reaper doesn't differentiate.

>>61360836
I'd be more for not moving it up in date and keeping it further in the past and in doing so dropping Stern's involvement so we don't have the Vanilla problem of everything happening at the last few years/months of a 10,000+ year timeline.

>>61355460
>>61352892
Whether he gets a convenient accident happen to him or not would probably depend on his attitude afterwards. If he accepts that he done fucked up, fucked up bad, and finds a less demanding job that he can do to the benefit of the Imperium and it's people then he would probably be spared. Fulgrim fucked up huge but he learned and tried to make up for it in his years after the Iron Cage and as Curze demonstrated the Primarchs weren't above the Law and accountability. Tetrarchus might not have been a bad person, he might not even have been a bad commander for a smaller force. He was just out of his depth.

>>61357181
I'm imagining the Grand Headmaster as somewhat like Ned Flanders. He's a nice man, dedicated to the wellbeing of those he is responsible for, pious in his faith, diligent in his work but after a while working with him becomes a subtle torture as he keeps trying to stick his oar into your business and help. And he is perfectly fine with being told to fuck off but then you feel bad about it afterwards.

>>61364750
What about a commorrite refugee?

>>61332874
Given how loopy and clueless the leadership of the Severan Dominate are they might actually have non-hostile diplomatic relations with the Blood Pact. Blood Pact tell them that their name is derived form the common blood that binds all mankind and that has been spilt fending off the unprovoked aggression of the expansionist and aggressive Imperium whose Emperor wishes to subjugate/enslave all he lays eyes upon and, like the heroic Severan Dominate, the Blood Pact have drawn a line and said no further. This would of course require the least loopy and uncorrupted of the Blood Pact to be the ambassadors, possibly even the ones blessed in addition by Slaanesh as well as Khorne to be seductive and beguiling.

Doombreed could pull it off. He does know how to diplomacy as a means to an end and his is a lot more cleverer and cunning than most other Deamon-Princes of Khorne. He would figure out how to play to Dominator Severus' imagined international narrative and towering unearned sense of self worth.

Also this is the man who thinks he can make long term deals with a Dark Eldar Cabal, Maggot-men and other "oppressed minorities persecuted by the Imperium".

>>61321901
Kronus has it's fair share of problems. Oddly enough violence with intent to kill or cause serious maiming is probably not among those problems. Despite the wide range of usually antagonistic groups they all have more to worry about. Things like surviving the winter, ork spores maturing, left over necrons and their toys, chaos artefacts that litter the landscape and the things that are bound to them, the outbreaks of the diseases used in the bioweapons that were at least partly responsible for all but exterminating the previous population and the struggles of trying to set up and plan out the rebuilding of a global level society on a fifty year time scale in a hostile part of the galaxy when the next attack is a matter of when in our lifetimes rather than if; it tends to draw people together as much as tear them apart. You might not like the man standing next to you, you might in fact quite dislike him but you're both soldiers and you know he will have your back when the metal hits the meat just as you will have his back. Even if the fucker is a kroot that smells bad.

>>61366560
Not sure if that would happen. The Blood Pact has fought the Severan Dominate several times. Indeed, they're what the Dominate usually thinks of when they think of Chaos getting uppity because that's usually who they have to deal with in the Black Crusades.

The Severn Dominate may be separatists, but they won't knowingly ally with Chaos, they're not sheltered enough to not know that is a threat (though long term infiltration is a serious problem). Duke Severus thinks hes so clever that hes avoided the obvious snake in the grass (Chaos), while making deals with the Dark Eldar and the Slaugh. In the case of the Slaugh he even has plans to mutually betray them, the foolishness lies in letting them get a foothold in the first place.

>>61368995
I had forgotten about that.

>>61366513
Would vary. Many Dark Eldar saw humans as something you ate rather than thought of as people and now they are Rehab Eldar they won't be fucking their food.

The other ones, the Withered in particular, know how low they were and wouldn't be putting on any airs. Their eyes are opened to how fucking low they were and humans aren't that bad once you get to know them. Certainly better in temperament than their former fellow commorrites.

On the whole though most wouldn't want to associate with non-eldar because either "yucky Mon-Keigh" or because it's a load of walking, talking bottles of whiskey to a recovering alcoholic or a combination of both. They'd just stay on the craftworlds or the exodite settlements and try and avoid temptation as hard as possible.

>>61369404
An that is in a best-case scenario. Most DE will be strongly in the supremacist camp. The alternative was worse when they jump boat.

>>61365720
with Fulgrim's example/counter-example fuckup I thought we were talking about the part already finished in Fulgrimfag's bio for him, where he overestimates his abilities and almost gets executed by the Merikan secret police and gets bailed out by the Hydra. If we're talking about the Iron Cage, might be fun to flesh that out some more. That former situation in Merika was wholly on Fulgrim, and while he did almost get himself killed he definitely learned from the experience, and executing him over the failure would make even less sense because this rescue was what brought him into the service of the Imperium.

If we're talking about the Wyrd War/Tzeentch Ork iron cage scenario as the archetype for this sort of high level strategic failure in an Imperial force, Fulgrim also had the displeasure of clinging to and demonstrating the hard limits of what had been core Imperial strategic doctrine that had served him very well through the Great Crusade and War of The Beast. On a meta level whole situation was conceived to be the death knell of the Legion system of Astartes centric strategy that had been the Imperium's bread and butter for its whole early history, and which Fulgrim had made his force the paragons of. Also, I remember from a really old thread when fulgrimfag was asking for brainstorming that he said Fulgrim stepped back from military command after this failure and just became a scientific and cultural figure, leaving Lucius in charge of the Terra's Children until the former left on his own over Fulgrim's failure to make them immortal.

>>61370854
I think at least one big factor in that was the fact that Fulgrim sort of realized his strategy was part of the reason he failed. At if you had some kind of "dindu nothing" general who refused to take any responsibility for the failure, blamed it on the troops, and was incensed that the Imperium (in their mind) was using them as a scapegoat for the whole affair, then you might need to be worried and start reaching for the assassins.

>>61370854
>>61365720
I agree with both points, about Imperial policy for failure typically involving reassignment to a desk-job if your fuck-up was big enough, and about the attitude with which the commander in question approaches his fuckup determines whether more brutal methods are employed. Fulgrim realized that the cause of the disaster was his own ideas on how to fight back having become obsolete, and stepped back from direct command to a more advisorial/management role. Tetrarchus, on the other hand, could well blame the failure in Jericho Reach on the Tau failing to properly coordinate and cooperate with Imperial forces (true) due to pursuing their own objectives of claiming the worlds of Jericho Reach (bullshit; the reason for the failure to coordinate properly came from him not fucking telling them stuff they needed to know because he didn't trust them), and thus that he was too busy trying to pull his fractured forces together to notice the Necrons until it was too late. The fact that they were fractured as a direct result of his paranoia is something he doesn't acknowledge. In this case, more extreme methods may be justified, since the guy is clearly biased and cocked up a major operation due to his own personal misgivings, and attempts to direct the blame towards the Tau, who are already upset about both the way their forces were treated and the fact that one of their first major joint-operations with the Imperium led to the deaths of most of their forces because of said treatment. The fact that he would likely continue to spread the idea that it was the Tau's fault could create fractures in the still-new alliance, especially because it's explicitly not true, so he needs to be silenced before he puts something the Imperium's been working towards for centuries in jeopardy.

>>61371400
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X0GGndnnOqw

So I propose the theme for next thread be bit-players and failures.

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>61372520
Sorry man, just noticed that as I was making it.

>>61317475
>liivi has the big tiddy goth gf

liivi...is a lucky man...

>>61361863
>>61373034

One thing that is that Eldar aren´t tolkinean elves. They are aliens. In-universe humans can suffer from uncanny valley and don´t see were is all the fuss about your predilections.