Ork ''''Diplomats'''', Isha Priestesses, Be'lakor and Tzeentch's little talk, and the parts about the cost of war have all gone on the wiki.

>>58818609
Nice. Always good to have more people working on the wiki.

So, more thoughts on the Voidborn as the first and arguably foremost Survivor Civilization. Hard to argue that there's a better place to hide than interstellar space when your civilizations' AIs all join a cult.

>>58821861
Diasporex seemed to have the same idea when their founder species' planet got corrupted by Chaos.

>>58821861
Would the Void Born have existed pre-strife?

>>58821790
Does anyone know if the bit about Exodite priestesses was supposed to go up? There seemed to be some debate.

>>58822341
I'm all for it as it shows distinction between craftworlder and exodite culture rather than exodites being just craftworlders on a camping trip.

>>58822329
I wouldn't think so. Their particular adaptations strike me as something that wouldn't happen on fully- maintained ships.

>>58823201
This to be honest. Although it plays up the harsher aspects of the maiden worlds it could be that those worlds are only as pleasant as they are at the moment because the priestesses are constantly wandering those lands and influencing them.

Also now generation of exodites are setting up outposts on Fenrisian Colony Worlds (to the annoyance of Ulrik the Slayer) and all of those worlds are pretty cold and shit.

>>58822324
Is there ever any official clue of which of the Diasporex species was the founder?

>>58823300
Agreed. Then again the Hubworlders were already a distinct entity before the Age of Strife to the point that they had contacts with the Old Eldar Empire that the rest of humanity did not have. But then again humanity was composed of a bunch of loosely aligned nation-states organized into a Dominion so they at least have an excuse.

>>58823300
Or it could be that they intentionally made themselves like that in much the same way that the Catachans did, maybe there wasa distinctive cultural group in the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion that set out with the intent of living in space and remade themselves accordingly.

>>58818609
Thank you.

Anything on the Battle of Terra and the Roll of Old Thunder aka Angron's last ride?

>>58828569
There was a bit about Ghota organizing the Thunder Warriors Arik rallied and them getting picked up by Leman Russ on the way to the palace because the mag-lev to the Imperial Palace wasn't fast enough and blockaded by Orks.

Nothing on Angron during this time period. Waiting for Angron fluff in general.

>>58829024
Keep in mind that simply by time the number of Thunder Warriors would probably not be more than a few squads. They had an expiration date due to the flaws in their creation that can't be fixed by even the best medical intervention. Also a lot of the healthy ones signed on with the new Legions in one capacity or another. Angron was the last of the Old Thunderers to die not long after this date.

>>58829024
I think he died before the War of the Beast, shortly after the Great Crusade was declared complete.

>>58830470
Was the Great Crusade ever declared over?

I just assumed it went on until it ran into The Beast and everything got shit on. I can't imagine Morty and Typhus would have accepted that the march was over.

>>58830575
I don't think they did. They just looked at the galaxy and went "well, shit, now we got to Crusade again and fix everything". That might have been a factor in Typhon rejecting the Codex Astartes and writing his counter-manifesto, Crusading: The Templar Way.

>>58830575
Either way, he died in retirement before everything went to shit, at least.

>>58830374
>>58830470
>>58832323
I think Angron died shortly after the Great Crusade, not just from what’s been said before but for two other reasons.

1) Angron was said to be the very last early model Thunder Warrior to die. Arik was an early model Thunder Warrior and although those involved in the Last Roll of Thunder were mostly later models there were a few early ones as well.
2) Sanguinius was pretty much the first primarch to die. Everyone knew Angron was going to die sooner or later but the fact that Sangy died at the height of his potential really ramrodded in the fact that the primarchs could die and were not immortal.

There was talk over whether Angron had any last hurrahs during the War of the Beast or if he spent that time in a hospital in the Imperial Palace, but it was generally agreed that he spent a lot of time in the hospital as his condition degenerated and eventually died there.

Technically Arik was healthier, but at the same time Arik micromanaged his health and spent the entire Crusade on Earth doing relatively little per threat of boot up his ass courtesy of Oscar and only lasted as long as he did by stuffing himself with half a geneseed. Even then his health wasn’t the greatest. Angron was fighting on the front lines of the Crusade all that time and was just plain too stubborn to die. Comparisons could be made to Lion, who is still alive but never really exerted himself due to getting taken out of commission during the First Black Crusade, and Vulkan, who ran out the warranty on his body and beyond.

The similarities and differences between Sangy and Angron are kind of funny. Especially given that Angron was one of the oldest primarchs along with Magnus and Guilliman and Sangy was the...second youngest, I think, after Lion.

>>58825009
There was a suggestion it was the Sslyth/Laer, but it was just that, and the person who suggested it even mentioned it might be too similar to the divide between eldar to work.

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>>58832955
It could have been founded by the Sslyth. There was some talk of the Laer homeworld being warp capable and this constant background contamination accelerating their downfall.

Diasporex Sslyth are the ones who thought that was fucking stupid and didn't want to live on that planet anymore.

The Diasporex then predates the Age of Strife by over a thousand years, in this time they allowed other to join the external pilgrimage and eventually destroyed the old records intentionally as a moral decision.

>>58834473
>There was some talk of the Laer homeworld being warp capable and this constant background contamination accelerating their downfall.

Where was this? All I remember about the Laer is the Laer using fusion candles to move the gas giant their moon orbited around like a spaceship?

>>58838616
This raises the question, do we have any explicitly cross-species cooperative units? Something like an IG regiment with dedicated Tau fire support, or a Space Marine-Eldar strike group that goes behind enemy lines, blasts a big hole, then gets back out?
We've established that cooperation between the militaries of the different races is common, if not orthodox, but that's more a case of two separate units temporarily coordinating. Surely with how long the Imperium's been uniting the galaxy, at least a few full-time mixed regiments have developed.

>>58818609
Danke.

>>58839425
Not sure, closest thing that I can recall off the top of my head would be Farseer-Colonel Taldeer taking the reins of the Cadian 412th after General Sturnn died. However, Imperial elements that have effectively worked with each other in the past would likely be kept close to each other to deal with problems too big for, say, a single IG regiment to deal with. If cross-unit relations and chains of command have already developed, it vastly simplifies things to redeploy the same groups with each other again. Over time, this would likely result in something similar to officially cross-species units, but keeping track of records and who comes from where might be easier if they remain separate taskforces/kill-teams/regiments.

In some old discussions, it was said that Tau tended to not get paired up with IG/Eldar/Space Marines because of logistics and the fact that they are frequently used to trip up enemies that are used to the Imperium's usual tactics. On the other hand there was that time the Mechanicus managed to calm down its hate boner for xenos tech and work with the Tau to beat the shit out of DEldar in the Webway, before said part of the space tunnels collapsed on them all. Previous threads also made mention of a Daemon Breaker(?) SM who may have trained/worked with a Tau special unit that focused on destroying daemons, not sure if that went up because I'm having trouble finding those bits.

>>58839425
Most generic Guard units are actually Guard + Guardian auxillaries. Guard act as the anvil whereas Guardians provide overwatch, act as skirmishers to a limited degree, and perform the important task of "shoot the big ones first". More specialized units like Beastmen or Catachans or Kriegers or Aspect Warriors or Saim-Hann Wild Riders that don't fit the Guardian + Guard one-two punch tend to go it alone. Cadia probably does it the best because they work well with Ulthwe and Ulthwe Black Guardians are trained full-time professional soldiers instead of young hotheads being sent to learn some discipline under an Autarch or Warlock.

The Imperium tried to make Tau-Imperium-Eldar unit, adding Tau as long range fire support to the proven combo, but it didn't work out because the Tau hated being pigeonholed and sterotyped as dakka specialists and the humans and Eldar worried about the Tau shooting them in the back.

Tau are the experts at combined arms. It's been mentioned other races do it as well (no hard bans on it because no Horus Heresy), but organizing it is difficult due to sheer size of regiments (and out-of-universe to give Tau more of a niche). Kroot mercenaries can be found all over the place, though Mont'kau Battlesuits mostly take the role the Kroot performed in canon (and are better at it, being specialized melee suits designed to hold the line but are better at defense rather than offense like Aspect Warriors and Space Marines are).

Silver Skulls team up a lot with the Harlequins. The Skulls actually deal with the Eldar more than humans due to their job of locking down Webway entrances. The Eldar like the Skulls because they see the architectural beauty of the Webway rather than just another form of FTL.

>>58841011
>Tau and Daemon Breakers
Don't remember that. Would be nice to find it so it can go on the wiki.

>>58841101

It was a suggestion for a specialized Tau 'Daemon busters' regiment trained by Doomguy Kai himself, and many... 'military adivisors' from Eldars, Daemon Breakers, the Inquisition, etc. Kinda like XCOM, for the Tau's Ethereal.

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>>58835782
In just assumed that the whole thing could move through the warp so that it could move a useful distance in a useful time.

>>58841241
Are there any Space Marines in the Tau empire?

Ultramar is a Survivor Civ and they were given a chapter and a prestigious one at that. Tau Empire is a similar legal entity with a substantial human population.

>>58843175
There are probably chapters stationed there, but there probably wouldn't be part of the Tau Empire chain of command. They're Imperial Army, after all.

>>58843187
Would they recruit from in the Tau Empire or out of it?

It would be easier to use local manpower rather than import but then you run the risk of divided loyal between the Empire and the Imperium.

>>58841101
>>58841241

I think the ideas were split.

Deamon Breakers are now Ahzek Ahriman's creation and Kais got reinstated as a Tau military leader. It is written in the Shas'O Kais section on the 1d4chan that Kais is Doomguy and a trainer of a new generation of Doomguys so it's still entirely possible that in addition to his job as a general in the Tau military he's set up his own specialist force for dealing with shit that the regulars can't.

Kais did serve most of his career in the Inquisition so he will know shit that the Ethereal Council either doesn't know or knows but doesn't allow to be public knowledge. Kais has a known history of sharing information he shouldn't.

What does the Ethereal Council tell it's citizens of the warp?

>>58845657
IIRC at first they didn't understand, then they did but massively downplayed significance. Yes, hyperspace is infested by a lot of hostile alien beings, but it's nothing hard work by the citizens of the Tau Empire can't handle. It'd be hard to maintain the level of Masquerade the Tau have in canon if they have access to all of humanity and the eldar's records of Chaos incursions.

Then Kais goes and experiences one first hand, and uploads his helmetcam footage as a way of going "Seriously? This is a much bigger problem than you make it out to be, we need to be taking this more seriously". Ethereals freak out because they're concerned of some Weeping Angel-level shit going on with the footage, which kind of proves Kais' point.

IIRC, one of the reasons for Farsight's rebellion is he was worried allying with the Imperium would drag them into a punching match with Chaos. Which the Tau Empire couldn't win on its own. However, Chaos seemed to mostly ignore the Tau and focus on their grudge match with the Imperium, so maybe if the Tau kept their head down they could survive. He didn't really catch the part about everyone being Chaos' target, especially since the Tau Empire really did get less attention due to them being blunts.

>>58846266
>He didn't really catch the part about everyone being Chaos' target, especially since the Tau Empire really did get less attention due to them being blunts.
I like the idea that at the time of the Tau civil war this was just a secondary argument posed by Farsight, almost forgotten under all his cultural concerns and the era's relatively tau-centric mindset. But since its been revealed as the great struggle defining galactic war and politics Farsight has kept bringing it up and touting it as a moral victory, though essentially everyone else couldn't care less.

>>58846930
Eh, I'm not so sure. Part of the point of Nobledark is that the people in the setting are generally good people, so taking one of the more level-headed characters from baseline 40k and making him a stupidly short-sighted bigot for no reason other than racism doesn't sit well with me.

I much prefer the idea that his rebellion had some basis in good intentions, or that he made what was the correct decision with what information he had, he just was missing some very important information. He's right, to an extent, that joining the Imperium puts a target on their back that they can't deal with on their own, and that a brawl between two monoliths would ultimately be detrimental to the Tau if they picked a side, because that's the nature of war.
Without the context of "Chaos hates literally everyone," this would be a reasonable choice, but the Tau don't really understand the Warp, so he probably didn't know that. Combined with possible corruption from his sword, and you've got someone who genuinely believes they're doing the right thing, and has reason to believe they're doing the right thing, but are still antagonists because they're still wrong and working on false information.

>>58847303
He also wasn't wrong that closer relations with the Imperium would change tau culture as he knew it. By that point the Tau Empire already had a few billion human citizens but they were Tau Humans dedicated to the Greater Good as much as other society in the Empire. What he predicted was the relaxation of the caste system, outside influences on policy making and a slowing down of the colonizing efforts for the next sphere of expansions.

And all of that has happened, the Tau Empire isn't growing anymore and no new spheres of expansion are planned. The Ethereal council has instead directed it's efforts towards missionary work to spread the philosophies of The Greater Good and try to co-opt the Eastern Fringe of the Imperium from the inside. They have made no secret of this.

They have had their decision making influenced by outsiders in that the Imperium tells them what will and will not work from past experience and are typically proven right. Now they typically listen more and don't, for example, try to make fully A.I. robotic infantry.

The caste system has been relaxed as the Casteless and Outcaste and auxiliary forces can attest.

Of course Aun'Va and historians will notice that the current interpretations of The Greater Good are more similar to the older attitudes to Aun'Da's teachings.

Farsight was not wrong. A thousand years ago he would have been the very model of a great Fire Warrior. He's just out of time.

>>58842720
I'm all for that. It adds something unique to them as well as a different vector for Chaos Corruption to spread.

It would be some strange xeno-science based on the warps interaction with gravity and inertia acting with the gas giant's magnetic field that pulls the entire gas giant and it's moons (and anything else in the gas giant's magnetosphere) into the warp. It is essentially the biggest warp engine in the history of the galaxy and not even the elder know how they did it. Eldar in their prime had no need of this bullshit.

Sslyth homeworld considered destroyed as vortex weaponry was used against it in the Great Crusade by Terra's Children. Vortex weapons acted with the strange warp-mega-engine and the whole thing got pulled into the warp.

Sslyth hasn't been seen since although no evidence has been found beyond that.

>>58847992
Would it be too far to hint that the world re-emerged some where distant, possibly a fair few light-years above or below the galactic disc, and that the Rak'gol are a continuation of the Sslyth?

>>58847582
It's also possible that Farsight is noticing something odd about Aun'Va at this point, not that he could ever prove anything.

>>58849046
I was gonna use the whole fusion candle gas giant thing for the Laer, but I've been dragging my feet so long finishing my blade of laer story so I'm fine if people want to use that set piece elsewhere

>>58849512
I'll wait until you're finished to avoid contradictions

>>58849512
Use it for the Laer. It sounded really cool and what's been said above is that the Sslyth are the descendents of the Laer who decided to "nope" off into space when they saw their planet was getting corrupted. We seem to be using the two names (Laer and Sslyth) interchangeably here.

>>58847992
You mean the planet or the species? Because the Dark Eldar have Sslyth bodyguards and if the Sslyth founded the Diasporex you'd think at least a few survived.

>>58847303
>>58847582
Another thing that was mentioned way back in the original threads discussing the Tau (like thread 5) is that Farsight spent most of his career on the northern edge of the Tau Empire fighting mostly Chaos and to a lesser degree Orks, whereas Shadowsun spent most of hers on the southeastern front and fought mostly Nids. They end up having different views on how the universe works and what the Tau need. Shadowsun sees the need for the reasonable people of the universe to unite because that’s the only way anyone is surviving the tyranids. Farsight sees Chaos as this horrible rapetrain in the darkness, but thankfully they seem more focused on the Imperium and their “anathemas” and “blasphemers” and seem to mostly ignore the Tau. Farsight also came from the culturally homogenous colony of Vior’la, whereas Shadowsun either came from the more cosmopolitan Bor’kan (the Poctroon Homeworld), Tau’n, or T’au.

Farsight wasn’t just concerned that contact with outsiders would change the Tau’va, he was concerned that the Ethereal Council would come down and force people who wanted to hew to the old traditions to change their ways. And to be fair, history kind of supported him. The Ethereal Council was known to force people to accept their vision in the past, and there’s no way they would allow for a potential split between “Orthodox Tau’Va” and “Relaxed Tau’va” to potential cause a break in the unity of the Tau. It’s been said Farsight is like Oda Nobunaga, a genuinely nice and charismatic guy who happens to be on the other side (as opposed to Szarekh, who’s gone full Byron; Malys, who is Brood War Kerrigan meets the Joker; Vect, who’s an Ubermensch; etc.).

>>58851003
The ones that serve in the City of Sins are the ones who surfed a planet with insufficient warp proofing and then noped the fuck out. They looked up into the sky and saw that Hell had replaced the sky.

They looked at that and knew the gods of their ancestors (who were all the worst of the equivalent to the Aztecs and friends) were real and fucking awful beyond words or measurement. They ran to the place that gods can't see and aren't welcome and set up shop in a city where the gods don't go and their servants are outlawed.

The Diasporex Sneks were the sensible ones who thought that surfing a planet, their homeworld no less, into the warp was a very stupid idea and decided to get into a ship and bug the fuck out a couple of light years and see what happens.

The Laer Fulgrim and Terra's Children encounter are the ones who looked into madness and sang in adoration of Hell and all the damnation it held.

Possibly. Depending. I'm going to wait until Fulgrimfag has finished his thing before doing anything.

>>58851271 (cont.)
The issue is he kicked off a riot which led to things escalating to violence, which is massively taboo to the Tau (not just for the same reasons as canon, but because they see their unity and lack of Tau on Tau violence as a moral high ground compared to the fractious Eldar and humanity) and turned what should have been a reasoned debate into a Schism meets the Partition of India in space.

There’s been a suggestion that Shadowsun hasn’t been able to catch up to Farsight because Farsight has been deliberately avoiding confronting her because he feels guilty about what happened. He doesn’t feel guilty about standing up for what he believes in, but he feels guilty about letting it escalate to violence which is why he’s content to live in his own little hermit kingdom than try to subvert the main Tau Empire.

There’s no way there would be any corruption from his sword, given what it is (Anaris). If anything it would cause him to do the opposite.

Speaking of which, did we ever decide if Water Spider is canon? KGB-esque Water Caste spymaster who got corrupted into a Chaos Spawn esque monstrosity that feeds on betrayal due overexposure to a Tzeentchian artifact that she was using as a "good luck charm" (or rather what the equivalent would be for the Tau) to survive assassination attempts (and didn't know what it was)? That might be another reason Farsight felt nervous. Both Shadowsun and Farsight were said to know about Water Spider and so Farsight might have known the Ethereals were willing to use heavy handed tactics to root out dissidents. Which is kind of what happened. He's called Farsight for a reason, after all.

>>58851357
Did Water Spider get copied to the 1d4chan? I remember it and seemed good.

>>58851641
It didn't because no one ever said if it sounded good or not when it was first posted.

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So I take it that there aren't devolved societies that have forgotten all the shit left to wallow in the dirt of ignorance in this AU? Exception made for freshly discovered shitholes, obviously.

>>58853316
There probably are societies that wallow in the dirt of ignorance, but if so they do it by choice. Most likely causes are either distrust of the strange beings from the sky, or plain old xenophobia.
Of course, societies like that have approximately zero impact on galactic events, so they don't get that much attention.

>>58852273
I remember that there were some issues about the writefagging for the Water Spider requiring other Tau to have been corrupted in order to be part of her inner circle or something.

>>58853316
>>58854425
Most of the places that do are the ones that either don't want to become super modernized, couldn't handle the culture shock, or the money isn't there. Shittiness in this timeline is usually because the Imperium doesn't have the resources as opposed to Imperium just doesn't care.

A lot of the Feral Worlds are kind of like how parts of the Amazon or other extreme rural areas in poorer countries are today. Not that much different from how their ancestors lived, but wearing a t-shirt, using a steel knife and electric lantern, and kicking around a soccer ball rather than wearing tanned hide, using a flint knife and pitch torch, and using an inflated animal bladder as a ball. Replace with necessary equivalents for 40k. Also knowing that the outside world exists via boat (or spaceport in the case of this universe). A lot of the extreme social customs are blunted, animal sacrifice but no human sacrifice, ritual combat but no gory blood rituals (for obvious reasons). Cretacia, for example, is still a dinosaur-infested wilderness but it's one where people live rather than just survive as before.

>>58856249
I could easily see a bunch of other Tau being inadvertently corrupted as pawns. Snaring people in her web is what Water Spider does.

>>58851283
I wanna know whether people are more interested in me finishing the Blade of Laer or the bio for the Taskmaster first.

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>>58858283
Blade of Laer

Seeing how it hassn't spread here yet, lets agree to keep the thread flowing with keeping the festive shitposting out?

>>58858283
Whichever you feel you can get done first and have the most enthusiasm for. I agree with >>58860504 that the Laer flying around in their mobile gas-giant sounds the most exciting, but I'm also really interested in the concept for the Taskmaster too.

>>58860586
I don't get the teams. What's happening?

>>58862037
Easter fell on April Fool's day this year, so everyone gets assigned to a team based on IP address. I'm unsure how the score is calculated as it seams to vary by thread.
Regardless, for the next 24 hours expect non-stop shit posting of varying quality.

>>58857416
On the subject of Cretacia what are the Flesh Tearers like?

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>>58829024
At what point is the Angron fluff up to?

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>>58863714
The only mention is that they are intentionally like Black Rage Marines 24/7.Blood Angels 1st company swear an Oath of Black Rage to be forever pissed towards their enemies about what happened to Sanguinius. Flesh Tearers take this farther.

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>>58866477
Non “grimdark” hive city?

Truly based

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>>58868492
Imperium tends towards more art deco in it's designs, depending on local influences.

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so what is the extent of the Imperium's ability to craft the neutronium that Savlar produces and the winner of their scavenger hunt sells off? They made the daisy chain and various space elevators, and used it in the structures of their biggest ships, and fulgrimfag has forgebreaker made from a chunk of neutronium as a superweapon. Any other ideas where it might be used? It's probably not viable armor at any scale, but it can clearly work as structural reinforcement and likely as high value ammunition.

>>58869433
Skeletons of hive mega-structures.

Keep in mind that there is only 1 factory left and it operates at only 5% of it's old estimated output. There is a very limited number of things the Imperium can afford to use it for.

>>58869806
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>>58869806
so would a case of neutronium tipped bolter rounds be the sort of treasure a rogue trader family would pass down the ages, only use in the direst situations, and send his men to retrieve after every firing?

I can also picture planetary governments, even sector governments going into debt to get supplies of Neutronium sufficient to make certain important components or small structures that need to withstand enormous forces. To actually afford to build a space elevator they need the financial backing of either the Imperial Throne or the Mechanicus.

>>58867189
What about the Flesh Eaters? Do they still eat flesh?

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>>58873183
Probably only ritually, instead of tearing corpses apart on the battlefield in the throes of the Red Thirst.

>>58869806
I wonder how many times Savlar has been targeted by the Black Crusades.

>>58869433
>>58869806
The Daisy Chain was a DaoT construction that was built long before Savlar came along, I think we have it being one of the first things Oscar sees when he sees Earth for the first time. Some of the most important old DaoT planets seemed to have them, Medusa had one that became a Wyvern hidey-hole. That said, the Daisy Chain was dilapidated and probably unusable by 5k years of technological regression, especially since the orbital high ground wasn't a huge deal during Unification, and they probably had to use Savlar to fix it up/replace the duct tape they originally used to fix it after Unification.

It's likely a lot of the neutronium the Imperium used before they found Savlar was scavenged from DaoT relics.

>>58873137
Would a bolter round even survive? They're not bullets, they explode after they punch through their target. The neutronium tip might survive, but good luck trying to find it.

But yes, I can see that level of ridiculousness in competing over the tiniest shred of neutronium.

>>58877100
I'm pretty certain the Daisy Chain was built after unification, it never comes up in that era

>>58877100
>The neutronium tip might survive, but good luck trying to find it.

Nothing a sufficient application of manpower and/ or money can't solve.

>>58878684
Earth may have had a derelict orbital tether or two pre-Unification era. The Daisy Chain seems to have been assembled post-DAoT, but the orbital tethers/space elevators themselves might have been originally created during the DAoT.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Member_States#Savlar mentions that the "neutronium" that Savlar produces isn't of the same quality that was GaBHD construction-quality neutronium, but they share a lot of the same properties. Non-Savlars haven't forgotten how to work either Savlar/DAoT neutronium have they? Fulgrim did it with his hammer, and I'm not sure whether the Imperium is just slapping parts together from old space elevators or actually forging very small amounts of neutronium parts.

>>58882310
Come to think of it, the Cthonia ringworld is supposed to have a neutronium base, isn't it? So that's literal planetary masses of the stuff right there, the difficulty is a.) getting Mechanicus permission to fuck with their second most sacred location and then b.) prying some off and working it.

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>>58882883
You'd probably have a lot of world out there that used to be a big deal during the DaoT and hence had space elevators and other neutronium things lying around (not common, but there). Things change and places that would have been a bustling human colony that could afford it's own space elevators are now uninhabited ruins. Better to tear it down and reuse it than leave all that neutronium floating around in a place with no military or resource value.

But then you run into the same problem as vibranium in the recent Black Panther movie. Namely shaping a material that is so hard it's used when people don't want something to be shaped.

>>58883127
Sorry, to clarify, by problem I mean in-universe of reshaping the neutronium. It would take a lot of effort to break it down, and a lot of effort to put it back together in any sort of reasonable shape (at least until Savlar gets involved). So the stuff the Imperium is building with the salvaged neutronium is either simple stuff or paint-by-numbers kits they can sort of figure out how to make parts for like space elevators.

>>58878684
Also keep in mind that something so fragile probably wouldn't have survived the WotB. The 64 orbital tethers, tether top star forts and Daisy Chain being things that have accumulated since then.

>>58876768
Remote location and they would want to capture rather than destroy.

>>58876768
It's probably always on the list of "capture that shit" of every warband commander in the Black Crusades. Having all of the neutronium would be a source of great power, especially if you are not too concerned with using it for socially responsible things like orbital tethers or hive support beams.

Someone with the Neutronium Workshop in their control can name their price and get very rich very quickly or make a flagship impervious to all assault bar truly insane levels or fire power or more exotic assaults.

It's benefits are too long term to be used in the current Black Crusade itself but would go a long way to ensuring the dominance of a faction in the event of a lasting victory.

But it's always an afterthought. Exotic construction material is a thing to worry about after the Imperium is seen to and you can prod shit at your leisure.

Also they will run into the exact same problem Mars did whether they realize it or not. The Savlar Brotherhood will burn that shit to the bedrock out of spite rather than let an outsider take it.

I done a thing

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notable_People#Edmond_Aldsworth

Is it good?
What needs changing?

>>58852273
I thought it was good and it showed that the Tau were resistant rather than outright immune.

>>58868554
It depends a lot on local influences. Perty perfected the Hive design principles, he left rom for artistic flare to conform to local preferences.

Also not all the hives were originally designed by him and just too design elements when parts had to be repaired. The Fang for example.

>>58887353

Very good. A bit more expansion on his opinion if cain would always be nice.

>>58887353
Is alright needs moar Cain.

>>58885551
Spite is what Savlar runs on.

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So, what are some more uses of neutronium in small quantities, what for example could a party do with a fist sized lump of if they might find in the course of a campaign, besides sell it or turn it in for a massive reward. What are some non-megastructure uses one would still have to take it to experts to have your Neutronium forged into? Does the Imperium have a number of Forgebreaker style neutronium weapons locked up somewhere for use by warriors whose bodies can handle the stresses of swinging around a chunk of exotic matter? Is Oscar's battle armor clad in gilded neutronium plating? Is neutronium still used in the structures of Important warships? Would it be a useful material to make capital ship gun barrels?

On a similar note, what portion of the Savlar Neutronium stockpile is bought by the Mechanicus, Imperial Throne, Army, Navy, Administratum, Survivor Civs, and independent buyers respectively each production cycle? And about how strong is Savlar neutronium compared to Cthonian neutronium, which luminal records indicate was fabricated on site by appendages of the Iron Minds. Is it on the same order of magnitude, requiring much more work on Savlar for merely comparable results, or is it something like 5% the strength on top of the plant's much reduced efficiency.

>>58892585
The stockpile is bought in it's entirety by the winner of the scavenger hunt it is up to the winner to decide to do with it as they wish.

>>58893736
Yeah, but the winner of that stockpile will be under immense pressure by all the major institutions of the Imperium to sell portions of the stockpile for official use. Once its out of the workshop on Savlar its no longer protected by the Savlar Order's famed colateral, so the winner must either protect, transport, store, and craft the most valuable metamaterial in a galactic empire, hoarding it from the government in a time of war, or turn to the throne or other major backer to enforce the claim on their winnings and cash them out. Even though its a small broken down factory, Savlar is still producing shiploads of Neutronium at least for it to be an enabling factor in space elevator construction.

Another source of neutronium, archeotech neutronium at that, would be prominent GaBHD ruins, even if most other tech is ruined or gone. Neutronium doesn't seem to degrade, or if it does its on a stellar time scale, and it would presumably exist in some pretty large chunks even if the Iron War saw the structures built from it blown to bits or knocked into space. The chunks of it not on planets would likely still be in orbit, and worth retrieving, both for the material itself and for any attached archeotech that might have been preserved in the void. Much of this stuff might have been collected in the days of the Great Crusade, and would presumably be incredibly valuable, but stuff that got thrown into weird orbits or into interstellar space could still be left to discover millennia on, and elevator head ports lost in space since the golden age are as good a place as any to search for STCs, as well as making excellent el dorado set pieces.

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