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>>58640150
>Endroglamu still sealed
>5 years of Ichorfel expansions
>They've had the tablet to unseal him since Gates of Bolag
>Just been fucking around doing nothing I guess
FREE ENDROGLAMU DIPSHITS YOU LITERALLY HAVE WORSHIPPED HIM FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS ICHORFEL ARE THE SECOND MOST RETARTED FACTION NEXT TO BOLAGFAGS

>>58640479
>complaing about based keyman and his buttbuddies
Bolag did nothing wrong
Endroglamu got what he deserved after he tried to back stab bolag

>>58640150
>aliniean thoroughbred calvary being OP

>hur dur just ambush flank

Do you know how much Overwhelm you need to even STOP them during a charge?

x3.

Do you know how much DF they get when they're in Glacier formation? +1 per model. PER. MODEL. Not detachment, not lance... model.

>>58640576
just use pikewalls, faggot
niggas aint got shit on a Withould pikewall

>>58640576
Lmao just wait a turn for them to blow the load there armor is literally made out of paper

Speaking of eromacs, how come nobody has hopped on a boat to kick their shit in?
Those fucks have been doing nothing but fucking sheep and killing each other for at least 6 editions by now

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>>58640561
>>58640561
>Be me, Bolagragrograx, infinitely powerful master of the fourth gate of Abyson
>Drink 9,000-person soul slushies every two hours
>My upstart chad lieutenant Endroglamu makes a deal with some soyboy warlock to overthrow me
>Imprison him, continue chugging slushies
Endroglamu would have led the 4th gate to actually do stuff but Bolag wants to sit on his pit fiend ass and do bugger all. Even in the worst case scenario that Endroglamu leads as a tyrannical Despot the Ichorfel would have gotten shit done for Abyson instead of the thousand years of stagnation it's been in.

There is no reality where Bolag is a good guy. Best case scenario he's upholding his duty, which is a flimsy excuse when he seems so willing to bend the rules around his gluttonous flabber and consume so many souls compared to his contemporaries.

>>58640150
>9th edition
>canon
new ilaics models are nice tho

>>58642002
Looks like it's time to start up another batch for the slush machine.

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>The new Orionim models
Remember when all the angel models had muscle mass? Now they're going the Paizo soyboy route. For fucks sake, the Orionim are meant to be the warriors of the Celestial Sphere. Still, at least they didn't nerf them like they did with the Aurigim and their Fusion Chariots. Fusion Chariot rushes were baller.

>>58640150
>archmagus still useless
>primari still useless
>miniori still OP
still shilling horde models I see

I'm thinking about putting together a 500-point Shaxandi army, am I better off going full sorcerer-monks or are spearmen really necessary for dealing with charges?

Also, when the fuck is the Golden Lady going to lay down the law and reclaim Ankalba from the River Tribes? Those mud-covered savages have defied Shaxan long enough.

>>58642002
>does his job
>upstart son tries to overthrow him
>put son in time out corner in one of your gorillion prisons
>continue to do job
Its like you expect the warden of eternity and tormenter of souls not to imprison and torment you when you try to overthrow him
This shit ain't the 9 rings of heaven you can't pull that coup shit in the abysal gates just cause you got bordered with raiding the material plane

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>>58640150
>River tribe archers got a straight up buff
>Again
Pack it in lads, they're gonna be broken for another 5 years now.

>>58642227
>archmagus
>useless
>wins games by him self
Rethalic fags everyone

>9th ed thread with 13 replies
>nobody's posted Scream Wizards yet
come on, /tg/. Scream Wizard convocations are the new hotness.

>>58642277
>double dubs
I'm obliged to reply. Depends on who you play, honestly. Considering the current Horde focus, noobs are going to gravitate toward rushing, so you'll want some trash units to keep your sorcerer-monks alive. Go full sorcerer-monks against anyone else.

Also,
>The Golden Lady
>Doing anything while the Saffron Chamber is still part of the Shaxandi fluff

>>58642336
>wins games by himself
>dies to a decanter 9/10 times
if your archmagus is winning your games then you could win by fielding nothing but disruptors- your opponent is clearly braindead

>>58642335
They might as well get the buff, since River Tribes can't into magic.

when will Dragon Guard get new models?

>>58642385
>cant into magic
>when thaximanar and convocations exist
just grab an aestian via ally rules

>>58642347
I dropped that game when they reworked the Eternal Empire of Kang, so I haven't been keeping track.

>>58642417
Never
They got BTFO by Bolag and based keyman at the end of 7th edition
They're now locked up in one of Bolags prisons

>>58642374
>dies to decanter
Lmao at getting killed by a fucking river tribes magus
Just take runes of protection bro its not that hard

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>>58642686
>Corrupted Dragon Guard Abyson models when

>>58642335
>Ytava tribe archers gets 2 more meters add to their range
>Threll tribe archers deal two free wounds on a 6 when attack non-human targets
>Wrekle tribe archers get free rerolls
WHEN DOES IT END
MY HEROS KEEPS ON GETTING ASSASSINATED AT THE START OF THE GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I JUST WANT TO USE MY ASPECT OF BOLAGA

What does everyone think of the rumor about the crashed spaceship aliens faction?

>>58642717
>runes of protection
to make your Archamagus a worse and more expensive epicurean? face it, hes an over-costed piece of trash hat will never make its points back

>>58642875
fake and gay

what kind of retarded company would so blatantly shift the tone of the setting?

>>58642827
>adding even more expensive units to abyssals
It sounds like a shit idea but the thouht of keymans intimidation aura+ blood of the great drake+ best of the best+ finger bone of bolag gets me hard

>collect Lunarians
>excited for new armybook in 9th, haven't had an update since 6th
>reread old fluff, neat descriptions of lunar crater lakes surrounded by purple forests
>now the 3rd moon is apparently just a rocky gray like our moon and none of all those rich old descriptions are canon
>new lunarian models have space helmets(because apparently they can't breath on Lunaria anymore)
makes no sense
even worse they show in the army book them fighting against other planetborn species on their moon and disregard that they don't have space helmets.

>>58642875
fits with the fluff.
We know that stars over the dor'th plains move , So it seems likel they've been building up to aliens .

Remember that scenario where you had to gather brak stone from a fallen star back in 5th ed? seems like they might be making brak stone into a key part of the fluff .

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>>58643123
>Finger Bone of Bolag
>14 Inch pie plate of fucking death, raising any death's door enemy units as Felspawn
>Blood of the Great Drake
>Up to two formations can't die this turn and are put on Death's Door instead

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SHAXAN STRONK

>>58643189
6th was a mess anon. Lunarians were always supposed to be retrofuturistic, in 6th they were an incoherent mess.

How have you guys been representing Aeonix Flux on the tabletop? I've been placing rolling a d10 to represent Era counters on each piece of terrain, and when they hit 1 I replace it with a ruin.

>>58643363
yeah but 6th was easily the most varied in army playstyle.
I remember when Lunarians could play hopper rush or brick wall formations and they were both viable.7th edition made every army into anti grav spawners and virtually killed soul hacking as a turn.

What I'd give to face an army using ras'gar rush instead of endless fucking aeril corps.

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>>58643253
>have to do morale check whenever felspawn is raised
>keymans intimidation aura makes you reroll 6s on morale checks
>tfw BTFO eroman hordes in a single fucking round

>>58643308
lol gtfo .

>>58643410
>not using sand glasses instead of repositioning a d10 every minute

>>58643123
>adding even more expensive units to abyssals
>Abyson Gold Lancer
>Has higher stats if the figure is made of gold and not just painted like gold
not sure if they're retarded or geniuses

>>58643420
Have you tried a Cannon of the 2nd Moon? It let's you interrupt when an aerial unit enters sight and gets 4+ shots on them. Sure they take up the arty slot, but still.

>>58643493
>playing with countervalence rules

Kek, I hope you have a good Game Arbiter, or you'll be counting grains of sand to determine whether or not you're in the Pyroclastic Age or the Time of Awakening

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>not a single Relic Vale mention
Why would they release new Wayfarer and Hornet Queen models if they're just going to end up squatting the whole faction?

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>>58643595
Promo units don't count anon. The PAX treasure hunt for those gold models only turned up 13 out of 25, the rest were smelted for that years trophy, which means only 13 buffed Lancers actually exist and none are tournament legal.

Though I've always wondered if someone actually cast one of those anew and fielded a full army what the reaction would be.

>>58643638
>muh sand counters
>muh pyronic fury
Brainlets shouldn't play this game, you should try Shelftesson instead.

>>58643682
I was tempted to cast a bunch in bronze when i was running the foundry for a week but I would have lost the gold in the burnout.

On the bright side you could cast them in pewter and cover them in gold leaf.
if you wanted to be a dick.


Or you could just run arrelian cavalry . I know they haven't been GREAT since 3rd edition but you can run 2 units for the points of 1 lancer and pairing them with a vibro sergeant gives you a free flanking move.

>>58643734
>Brass Caliphate munchkin claiming that both rules are fair and balanced

Every goddamn time. does TableSaga pay you guys to shill?

>>58643664
>shit basic infantry
>cavalry point cost is way too high
>no artillery and insect magic doesn't make up the difference
>"but muh jungle waifus"
Relicfags just need to pick an army that isn't shit. Wayfarer, Insect Adepts and Journeymen should all just be River Tribes models.

>nobody is questioning the massive amount of celestial activity
What are those faggots up too? Didn't they decide to give up on the material realm after they got BTFO by the Great Drake and Hornet Queen?

>>58644097
It happens everytime sales are down. Remember when Drozahl kicked them out? Or the hero of Abelson? It's a big nothingburger.

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>>58644057
>he doesn't like Virago waifus

Who cares if the basic infantry is shit when every sane Vale player is bringing Viragos + Hellcats instead? Sneaky infantry plus high point cost cavalry is literally their whole thing. Sorry you can't handle thinking instead of just spamming sorcerer-monks or Orionim.

>>58642190
>Remember when all the angel models had muscle mass?
Yeah, and it was fucking stupid. Why would energy beings have abs?

>>58646760
>energy beings
>getting the lore this wrong

>>58644057
>River Tribes
>Very Shooter-based faction, ranging from flecetting blowdarters to basically Tribe Archers supermen, covered by shit-tier infantry, meant to die to either protect the archers or to fuel the shamans' magic pool.

>Inseact Adepts
>Only ranged unit is the Bettle Squad with the Bombardier upgrade, which costs 1000 points total and only tickles units, even ilaics Rabble; while their Bee Swarm is literally 1 point per ten models (granted with a suicide attack) and their Fire Ants can go toe-to-toe against fucking Bolag Quartermasters, all while costing 150 points each.

Yeah, sure, totally the same.

>>58640150
Be happy that the Ilaics even have a lore and some rules. The Ghirzs don't even get that, only a couple of mercenary units tha nobody ever plays anymore because, surprise surprise, an army meant to be strong when all units could support each other (instead of forcing players to rely on one or two units) fucking suck when you put them in armies that go for a "trash units-important units" composition.

At least they still sell the old models, albeit under the "Collection&Vintage" section of the website, and at least I have the old edition to play with, but that doesn't meant that I'm not mad that my Persian bois got thrown out.

why are all the novels so shit

>>58647999
Because they don't outsoruce shit
The only good novels are the ones where bolag fucks aound with mortals or when Jeff snuk is writting

>>58647939

You should try mixing them in as allies with River Tribes. Some of their support units work really well as screens. And their freaking objective pass makes them OP is any kind of carry mission. I’m surprised more people done play them desu

>>58642227
>>58642335
>>58642385
>>58640150
Does nobody care that none of this would work irl medieval warfare?

Guys I need some help here

My friends twisted my arm into trying the new RPG while our Ichorfelbro is on duty and one of them wants to play a Draar.

What the fuck am I supposed to do

>>58647999
>The First Brasslord II: Sands of the Second Moon
>shit

>>58648781
Let him play the Draar and punish him for it
You don't get to play a monster wihout people wanting to kill you
Send some clan threll hunters or something after him and have them pop up every other session

>>58648859
Stuckermann is a decent writer I guess but he shits all over the lore.

>>58648781

>>58648873
^ this, honestly. They're a lot less overpowered than you might initially think because of how the race bonuses don't play well with the things that are good in the tabletop, e.g. Beast Reflexes and Natural Lethality are really great passives if you want to slap people into oblivion at low levels but once people start actually expanding their Relic Grids and accumulating wealth they fall off hard, especially because they can't qualify for a lot of the options that would synergize with their base features.

Also, yeah, most socializing is gonna be impossible and he's lucky if he isn't full of River Tribe arrows by the end of the fourth session. Tell him he's free to do it, but that he probably shouldn't for his own sake.

>all these scrubs can't deal with River Tribe
Cavalry still exists in 9th. Use it.

>>58649198
Probably why all the people who want to fold Relic Vale into the River Tribes happen to be salty River Tribe players. A few Chasmosaur Daffadars will roll over archers. Add some Viragos to go for Tribe Shamans and you can wreck the archerspam lists most Tribe players are running.

>>58649198
>use calvary
>they get cock bkocked by meat shields infantry men and dakir tribe beat tamers
>two rounds later half your army gets BTFO by tribe archers
>inb4 just use wizards :^)
>wizards get sniped halfway across the battle field by ytava tribe archers or assassinated at the start of the game by camouflaged blowgunners
>spent all of those points for nothing

>>58643253
>>58643448
>hard countered Lunarian Spirit Lions, River Tribe Decanters, and any Endless Empire magic unit running a Writ of Celestial Concordance
>soft countered by Shaxandi archers with kurotai poison, Brass Caliphate disbelievers, Ilaic cannoneers running Fireshot, and Rethalic Storm Dragoons with an attached Carnage Priest

>40 Gateshield Phalanx: 389
Passive Portalshield, Pike, Shortsword, Medium Armor
>40 Gateshield Legion: 428
Passive Portalshield, Moonsword, 2x Javelin, Medium Armor
>20 Laser Longbows: 260
Laser Longbow, Hand weapon, Moonleather Armor
>20 Laser Longbows: 260
Laser Longbow, Hand weapon, Moonleather Armor
>15 Rayguns: 221
Raygun, hand weapon, light armour, double-handed weapon; Skirmishers
>1 Gate of the Lost Moon: 488
Gatesinger, GravWheels, 2 Darkside Horror Mules
>8 Planetborn Paladins: 300
Moonglaives, Heavy Armor, Gravboots
>12 Knights of the True Moon: 286
Lance, Heavy Armor, 3rd Moon Horses, sword
>12 Knights of the First Moon: 296
Lance, Heavy Armor, Planetborn Horses, sword


wip
not sure what to go for artillery, don't really want a Gravtank, might skip one set of Knights and go for Gliders.
Probably getting Sorceress.
I need that many Gateshields to have a chance against river shitters

>>58649455
If you can't roll over River Tribe's shit light infantry in one turn with literally any factions heavy cavalry, you're retarded.

>>58650182
>not realizing that the shamans would BTFO you calvary after eating the remaining light infantry
>not realizing that this is when the elite raiders come into play ajd shield wall to protect the rest of your archer
>not realizing that you just entered the meat grinder

>>58649163
>>58648873
UPDATE

He now wants to play a FEMALE Draar wtf

The other players are waveling truebirthed, River Tribe battle machinist (is this even possible?), and a scar-cursed Fenik. No idea how I'm supposed to tie this all together.

Just fuck my shit up please

>>58650514
The female Draar and River Tribe battle machinist are both viable RAW if you make both of them take the Blaspheme trait.

>>58650514
Lay down the law and ban the shit you don't want

>>58650799
It's a viable party, as I pointed out in >>58650799 the Draar and River Tribal just need a specific trait to work, and the scar-cursed Fenik would need either cursed lineage, wayfarer, or banished background. The real kicker is the Waveling Truebirthed, who has zero reason to ever associate with the other three and is probably being played by a powergamer.

>>58651016
>The real kicker is the Waveling Truebirthed, who has zero reason to ever associate with the other three and is probably being played by a powergamer.

He plays Dark Riders in our regular game

I'm tired of this meme about the Longsword-Class Bethuras.
They are stupidly fast, yes. They have that sweet morale reroll boost on all friendlies, yes.
But they still sink after a few hits. They have no armor whatsoever unless you hit them with a Brass weapon. And who the fuck ever does. It's not a unit you can deploy unless you are doing it for the smug of actually painting it all.
Ragamnifags and people with mixed Bethura lists are fucking entitled mouthbreathers.

>tfw the naval combat expansion is still cancelled
Why does Exemplar hate us?

>put together a new Kdarzi army
>nothing tier one, just trying to make a fun homebrew army
>three Tedrozi Scarmaidens, two Jabolars, five Trixis Hierophants
>plenty of Mortal Anima cheesing
>laughing_ghizr.jpg
>bring it to my LGS
>powergaming melvin Draar player is there
>thought he'd been banned, turns out the owner let him back because he buys a lot of merch
>fuck it, i'll test my army against him i guess
>go 3/1 in a BoT
feels good to be Kdarzi master race. Draarfags on suicide watch.

>>58648506
Snuk's work has been going downhill since the Romance of Alakar quadrilogy. Miss me with the fucking K'dirz and River Tribe series.

>>58651054
He's a shitbag, got it. Tell him to change it to a Falsebirth and you'd be good to go.

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>>58651060
>longswordbabby doesn't think there's any problem with his pet units re-rolling Incontinence Checks
colour me fucking surprised.

>>58642190
Lol I'm sorry that your fapbait actually looks realistic now. I'd say just start collecting the Golden Lady's Warmaidens, but you'd probably think those have gross cooties.

>>58651251
Oldfag here, I remember when they teased the Naval expansion back in '92. Owner of my local mom and pop FLGS sold his El Camino to buy a sea combat table. I think it's still in the basement with the movie teaser ads that were going around in '01-'02.

>>58650173
>moonswords on gateshields
go with psyglaives or TeraBills, much better CC options for river tribe Pockskin cheese

>>58651454

psyglaives got nerfed, Daggers of Teshura or Bleakgate Chakrams are the way to go.

if you can stack the Daggers with a lich Red Throne Elf you'll fucking steamroll everything because the lich modifier makes Red Throne Elves fucking RIDICULOUS. AGAIN.

Also when the fuck is Kethen going to be reunited with Lalena? Red Throne Elves are supposed to be these fucking badasses but their leader can't find a little human girl whose been frozen in crystal for 400 years?

Kethen for worst king, I hope his brother overthrows him so he can actually find Lalena and advance the Moon Glory storyline.

please make Lalena a buff only character when that happens, she's nine she shouldn't be fighting anything

>Be dread legions player
>entire army runs on rng bullshit
> most gameS my artillery decides to eat their handlers and do a suicide charge into the opponent's front lines.
>most of my heroes end up with their heads exploding or being turned into gibbering horrors
> most units have armor like wet tissue and end up dying in droves
> units that don't die to the enemy end up exterminating themselves during spell casting... Because blood magic.
> generally end the game with only one or two models on the table

Though really, all of that is worth it due to being able to counter anything my opponent says with the words "fuck you, I have a giant."

>the virgin brass caliphate
>"coarse, rough, and it gets everywhere"
>autistic harem mechanics
>needs to bring a calculator to play
>memorizes sand types of eras
>avoids op steampunk items because it interferes with the lore of his subfaction
>measuring movement with a ruler takes longer than chads entire turn
>obsesses about lore, has every Brasslord novel signed

>the chad river tribe
>water nymph babes
>just roll the dice and let the arrows rain
>has never even heard of sand and age mechanics, game arbiter always argues in favor of him
>eyeballs movement every time
>when he plays everyone gathers around and joins in on the river tribe warcry
>only lore component he has outside of his army is a poster of a Lunarian Princess, which he still thinks is from Warcraft or Avatar

>>58651654

look, Kethen froze Lalena for her own good and with the Dread Legion still around there's no way he's going to reveal where she's hidden. He's not going to put the ONLY person who loves him in danger like that. Holy shit, didn't you ever bother reading The Sundering of the Brass Caliphate where he EXPLICITLY says that he's not going to reveal where he's put her until he's sure she'll be safe?

>>58651454
>go with psyglaives or TeraBills
>psyglaives got nerfed, Daggers of Teshura or Bleakgate Chakrams are the way to go.
I'll look into that.
I honestly didn't really know what do go for with weapons with the gateshield legions, or if I should just go for more phalanx, but figured some legions would offer more versatility.

>>58651417
Remember they showed off a couple Eromac battleship models in that december issue of the Exemplar games catalog?

>>58651654
>Chakrams on Legionnaires
practically pissing away the +/-4 Laryngeal Sweep bonus and their +2 to Quashing Blow when assisting in formation. Psyglaives are still great for dealing with trash and TeraBills are better than ever with the new Quarzic Addendum rules.
I'll give you daggers though, friend of mine built this nasty RTE list
>>58651785
Legionnaires are perfectly fine now they got rid of the Sarcophagus of Tzeris modifier. With the amount of ranged your army has more Phalanx might serve you better though, those +2 Podiatry Wards are just amazing against Draar mass inf cheese.

>>58651785

Personally I'd go more Phalanx, are you using Red Throne Elf reavers or River Tribe mercs to pad things out though? If River Tribe, use Chakrams.

btw did you see the new Kethen model? Holy shit they actually got someone decent to sculpt his face. But why the fuck is he so expensive, did they use the blood of virgins to paint his armor? His brother Ratehe is cheaper and has shit rules, but at least I'm not paying $120 for a single model.

>>58651654

Ratehefag confirmed. We all know what happens to people who ally with Ratehe, look at what happened to the Draar and Hamid from the Brass Caliphate.

>>58651900

Fuck you're right. I forgot about the Laryngeal Sweep bonus. I thought it only applied to Lunarian units.

>>58651672
So Chad gets his shit pushed in every time as even a rather basic Brass Caliphate setup will stand up to River Tribe arrow spam well.

Of course, going by the description you're explicitly referring to the Ruins of Drakomir event tournament, in which case not only did the River Tribes player running a full tourney cheese list lose to the Brass Caliphate player, but the Brass Caliphate player was running an unoptimized fluff army. And that's including the fact that he was later revealed to be friends with the game arbiter, who resolved all calls in his favor and helped cover his cheating.

>>58651831
They also showed those in a Blood and Fire in the same issue as that retarded scenario with the River Tribe courtship

>>58651917
>btw did you see the new Kethen model? Holy shit they actually got someone decent to sculpt his face. But why the fuck is he so expensive, did they use the blood of virgins to paint his armor? His brother Ratehe is cheaper and has shit rules, but at least I'm not paying $120 for a single model.
Looks great and yeah I don't think I'll use any lore characters for quite a while. I'm fine with just personalizing my own Sorceress, Skald-Lord with Spirit Lion or whatever and use it as a leader for my army though.

>>58651831
I think I still have the clippings somewhere in the loft man. old navy buddy from gulf one kitbashed this awesome replica of it using Draar Warwagon and Kdarzi Skittercraft parts, he spent like $2400 on that thing and nearby stores would hire it out for birthday parties and shit. this was back when Exemplar had a fucking sense of humour and didn't sue every piece of derivative work.
think i'll give him a call and post some pics if its still in one piece
>he spent three weeks sculpting the Eromac Legate's Command Deck out of papier maché and candle wax

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>>58652172
>River Tribe courtship
why did you remind me? every novel and RPG corebook for 3 editions had some bullshit mary sue star crossed lovers clearly inspired by Waranda and Mayhew. Snuk must've been hitting the meth particularly hard when he wrote that travesty.

>>58652180

my friend got a Kethen model and his all those bonuses and the Blood of the Abyss trait stacked with his King of the Red Throne he's a monster to deal with. I basically keep throwing Silverglow Shieldmaidens to basically die en masse to him and use Lunarian Champion Yennei to wail on him and it's a 50/50 chance he'll just smash her flat anyway.

This is why I only do Lore-Allowed battles with friends though, there's no way I'd want to deal with the drama in a tournie.

>mfw the Cuvari Dreamguard codex still hasn't been updated
ITS BEEN FIVE YEARS
STOP SHITTING OUT SILVER SKULLS WARBANDS AND GIVE ME MY SWEET SOFTSKINNED PSYCHIC WAIFUS
SLAKETALONS ARE STILL +1 STRENGTH IN A +3 PROTECTION META FOR FUCKS SAKE
Anyone else thinking of just fucking selling their Chosen Genome armies? At this point none of them are going to ever get updated, even the Frozen Few. Jesus christ they used to be on the cover of the book.

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>Makresh get ANOTHER +5 ITF hero with Weapon Mastery and TWO enigma wards
>can take two magic phases in a row once an engagement in exchange for a -1 penalty to Horticulture rolls
FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS

> be Silverglow Queen Vaeliena
> hottest lady elf around, friends all over the Great Pact
> bffs with River Tribe Hero Thornes
> Supposed to be the 'good' elves to counteract Red Throne Elves
> TRY TO KILL A LITTLE GIRL IN A MAGIC COMA BECAUSE KETHEN WON'T FUCK HER
> Kethen, who literally walks through a small lake of blood to get to his throne
> Kethen, who worships Az-Avale, sworn enemy of the Goddess Hi'newe
> Kethen who literally ATE her sister
> Accidentally kills Bahiyya of the Brass Caliphate, who was trying to help her
> Drowns the Shaxandi city of Loushang because HURR HURR GATE OF BOLAG MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE (it wasn't)
> Takes a mysterious man as an advisor despite being warned he's full of darkness
> Turns out to be Ratehe
> "Oh nooo, I accidentally killed a third of my population following the advice of RATEHE, please feel pity for me!!"

I fucking hate Vaeliena. Who the fuck still thinks she's sympathetic after all the shit she's done?

>>58652448
>can take two magic phases in a row
jesus god
>only -1 penalty to hcl
JESUS CHRIST
that's practically nothing with Anhtep Sorcery bonuses, especially if you kit them out with Rods of Set
WE WUZ KANGS AGAIN

>>58652420
they don't give a shit about CDs. frankly i think they're embarrassed that they ever made such a blatantly fetish pandering neckbeard bait faction and are waiting for an excuse to retcon the shit out of them
you should keep them and put them in a display case to remind yourself to jack off before you make any major purchases in future.

>>58652448

oh god please don't tell me Lloyd Green wrote this... please...

>>58652420

Hold hope, they're supposed to appear in the new Dread Legions novel, so maybe they'll be getting an update of some sort soon?

>>58652483
the days in the desert are over fellow makreshbro, this shit ALMOST makes up for the flying pyramid nerf in 6th ed
>>58652513
>hating on Greene
>Exe finally hire a designer who knows the game needs unique army flair and player choices and he gets flak for a few (deserved) nerf to Drarr
yeah nah you're gay

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>>58652488
fuck you, some of us play this game for fun
it fucking sucks to have them just ignore a faction that USED to be prevalent to, uh, yknow, the ORIGIN STORY OF THE LORE
if they're too "fapbait" for timmy just update the designs
dont leave your players in the wind
I bet you're a Phocian Conclaves faggot
that way you can be a WAACfag and cover up the beautiful human form in gay robes at the same time

>>58652513
>new Dread Legions novel
ohshit
maybe we'll see some mention of the Morian Cabal
They were badass in the third one and then they were never heard from again

>>58652475
Kethen is such a fag, seriously have you ever stopped and thought about how his unwillingness to dick a few choice female characters here and there indirectly or directly caused like half of the shitty things in the last 3 editions' lore
>spurns princess of Draar and she ends up marrying Kefarz, starting the chain of events that lead to the Sundering War
>didn't dick vaeliena
>didn't dick that River Tribe bitch who was TOTALLY on his cock for like 2/3rds of the Kalworden novels (seriously, go read them again and tell me how many times she's mentioned to "sigh" with him present) and she fucks over the Commonwealth over it (awful writing by the way)
either the stupid emo faggot was a siscon and can't get over her murder or he's 100% gay for Azavale.

>>58652588

Hey, Greene's fucked up a few times. At least he admits to past mistakes and tries to recitfy them unlike That One who keeps writing about how HIS POOR INNOCENT WAIFU VAELIENA WHO DOES NOTHING WRONG EVER.

Like I thought most Vaeliena hate was overblown but almost killing Lalena on advice of 'The Black Mask' (aka Ratehe) who claims to have had a 'vision' of a grown Lalena sitting on the Red Throne with Ferrenas (who is like 800 years older than her) was way too far.

Speaking of Ferrenas I'm glad they reversed his nerfs. He's supposed to be a Red Throne Soul Breaker, not a regular reaver with a sliiiightly better Wounding Slice.

>read about Gateshield options for my Lunarian army

>Twin Portalshield
>the end portal is another shield in the regiment so projectiles are fired back
>with the momentum that is left so they won't travel far
>prone to failure so the end portals can get mixed up with another nearby(in the regiment) shield
>a unit can literally block a projectile, malfunction and then the end portal becomes the shield behind him and the projectile hits him in the ass


>Active Portalshield
In lore, the other end of the portal is on the Lunarion the 3rd moon, where lower caste archers fire arrows through it, and if the Gateshields on the field block they actually endanger those poor sods back home.
In game they constantly fire weak inaccurate arrows forward through the shields constantly

They seem fun, but I'll stick to passives where the end portals are just into walls or over cliffs or whatever.

>>58652751

oh my god don't remind me of that part. That was fucked up. Lalena needs as many hugs and cups of seshure tea as possible when she gets out of that crystal since we found out she's conscious every new moon. Like, jesus, I didn't know they'd go that far with that. Kudos to Thorson for the excellent writing though. I just hate that Matthew keeps trying to make Vaeliena seem REASONABLE for doing that.

>>58652420
Not gonna happen

Lunarians for the normalfags and Spiral Enclave for the BDSM crowd. These are your waifu factions now.

>>58652623
>muh fun
bullshit, we both know that during their heyday Dreamguard lists were antithesis of fun
>Salivation cheese
>MindKnight spam
and let's not forget the infamous Wheel of Axes list that ruled the comp scene and found its way into every table at every fucking LGS for 3 months before the clarification came out which confirmed the Genome Guard's +3 TTS bonus was a FUCKING TYPO.
also
>muh 1st and 2nd ed lore
the writing is infinitely better now, unless you truly mean you want to go back to the ridiculous 80s art and godawful casting of the models back then?
god no wonder you cuvarishitters are laughed out of every store, nearly as bad as Spikes with their no fun allowed Draar lists, but at least those guys aren't jacking off to their models at home... usually.

>>58651655
Between that and the Mad Warlord table I legitimately don't know how my army ties their shoes in the morning.

>>58652791
You forget that it also buffs all summoned artillery and archers when used. The best part, you never get diminishing returns. Just use a staff of Zhaar and build a list of Lunarian Spacebabe Meatshields that sit around for a few rounds, then bam, ridiculous archers with 5 free ambushes.

>>58652749

I wouldn't dick Vaeliena. Look at all the shit she's done. I've never seen a fanbase flip so fast until the whole "nearly killing a little girl in the bile of a dead fire god to get Kethen's attention" fiasco.

Speaking of that, I didn't read after that book, how did Lalena end up in the Amber Ossuary of the Rethalic Empire?

does this mean the Rethalic are going to try to make an alliance with the Red Throne?? That's going to end badly for Rethalic.

>>58652862
>army used to be overpowered
>all players should be punished for this
I'll give you WOA though
I run fluffy infantry heavy ethnoid splinterguard lists :^)
I even have a few third party thicc salivant mindguard count-as models in there

>>58652845
>Lunarians for normalfags
>unisex
>the old Alsoena models
God the rule 34 was great for them.

>>58652475

dude I'm pretty sure she's only written that way because Snuk and Green both have her as their waifu. Don't forget how Green literally spent four pages describing her getting showered and dressed for her meeting with the Makresh representatives.

>>58651655
I've never had much luck with Bane Giants. They make good fire magnets, but they never seem to survive long enough to actually do anything.

If you're losing units to casting, you probably need more Supplicants. Even if they can't hit worth anything, they're dirt cheap and it's always better to kill off auxiliaries to fuel your spells than to lose your Maldictors.

>>58652948
Prince Myrhhyr of Rethalic is murdered in the 3rd to last chapter and the Eromac ambassador was arrested for it. It's left open ended for the reader but it's heavily implied that Lalena was behind it and used the chaos to open the Ossuary voluntarily with the Rite of Tapash the Trolvin showed to her in the 2nd book.
It's a shame that plot point is stuck in such an awfully written book because it's honestly a great idea. You can tell that Kalworden just stole Tibbs' original plotline for the series and fucked it up, because all the major plot points make sense and are interesting but the writing is atrocious and every minor and side story is painful to read through.
Pick it up if you can find the ebook or see it in a thrift store but don't give that hack any fucking royalties, please. Hopefully Snuk will do a better job with his continuation

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>mfw Silverglow gets exactly NO faction unique buffs and three nerfs
>mfw I drink the tears of Silverglowfags

fuck ur pastel dress wearing waifus

>>58653054
You don't do the mess that was Arch of Emanations enough justice
>Green actually wrote a paragraph describing how perfectly sculpted her ass was
he ACTUALLY uses the phrase "It glistened like a wet dog's nose in the morning sun". What the fuck. And that's not even mentioning the sunbathing scene.
Not gonna lie, I got a hard on reading it though. Say what you want about the fat fuck but he can write a sex scene.
>>58653065
Banes are really only effective as fire magnets. You can throw Chains of Alarming Urges on them for a pretty good stop-gap trash clearer but Surge Titans are a much more cost effective solution
>can reroll failed Tolerance tests
>no loss of Bounce while moving
>+2 to splinch on all cleave attacks
naturally though the models cost 2x as much because exe are fucking scum, so it's fine to use banes if you don't wanna break the bank or it's for flavour.

>>58653065
You need to attach a banewarder and some flunkies to it so it doesn't die to magespam in the third round. Banewarders can leech off sacrifices without soloing them so as long as you don't have long-range attack flyers like Doomdoves to deal with your banewarder should stay alive through most of the fight.

>>58653209
>he ACTUALLY uses the phrase "It glistened like a wet dog's nose in the morning sun". What the fuck. And that's not even mentioning the sunbathing scene.
I got this for Christmas. I remember because I fapped to that scene twice while my grandma was in the next room.

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>>58653240
my fucking Makreshi.

>>58653088

There's a Puppet Lalena running around, and GUESS WHO IS BEHIND IT... Ratehe of course. So if it wasn't for the SHIT WRITING people would probably know that. Tibbs and Henry both confirmed Lalena is 'completely trapped' in the crystal still and the new edition and the Gray Plague series prove it and the Puppet's existence, but that Ratehe made a simulacra of her specifically to make Kethen suffer. But this is Ratehe and he's shit so Kethen saw right through it and bitchslapped Ratehe and the Puppet back to his hideout.

Guys I'll be honest... I actually kind of like Ratehe even though he's almost hilariously incompetent most of the time yet still one of the largest dangers.

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Favorite heroes? I'll start
>Sumarhk of the Third Gate
>One of two Abyssals that can fly
>Can basically cover the whole map in one movement unless your table is the size of an SUV
>Weighs like 8 pounds
>Erupts with Hellflame Castigator's lavablast wherever he lands
>Can take 2 more Wounds as long as he's in range of a terrified enemy model
>Killing a single unit forces morale save for 10" radius
>Abyssal Terror forces rerolls on good Morale saves
>Laugh Maniacally as the Lord of Wrath singlehandedly runs over the entire enemy army taking 25+ Wounds and surviving the battle
Aaand he has been on my shelf for 4 years. Turns out being as many points as he is you can never find games to run him unless your LGS is populated by millionaires.

>>58653329

I want a buddy cop comedy with Sumarhk and that Makreshi Agrithe dude whose name I can't remember.

Also I hear they're thinking of making Sumarhk Minions in plastic.

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>>58653390
>plastic minions

>>58653329
I love Sumarkh's model, but the price is just fucking obnoxious. I'm mad jelly that you have one really, a dude at my LGS brings his in for 610 point games where the owner (great guy) just lets him stat him as a regular Scarfiend with Scythe Hands for 82.3 points. Maybe try something like that if you want an excuse to dust him off.

>>58652588
Oh look, it's a Makresh player bitching. Setting aside the fact that the Flying Pyramid was an expensive, fragile display piece that was overcosted, of questionable use in general, and only worked well with a very specific trick build, Makresh always gets nerfed because they're Balantine's baby and Balantine doesn't give a shit about things like game balance. But hey, he owns a bunch of stock so he gets what he wants and everyone quietly fixes his fuckups later. New edition, oh look an overpowered Makresh army, errata update, oh look it's a buff to various Makresh units to balance out any nerfs, new army book, oh look it's a Makresh update. Remember in 8th when the new army book was pushed back to the middle of the releases and it more or less invalidated every prior army release and completely fucked the meta? Remember how he actively tries to diminish the actually popular armies despite his pet army never ranking higher that 6th in popularity polls in the past 20 years? Fucking hell, the new Makresh hero with a Rod of Set attached to a 20 unit Obelisk Guardian blob with two Duskwalker Sword-Magi would have 40 +1 attacks and 10 +2 attacks. Assuming you're using it as a purely offensive unit then you could cast Rain of Blades 10 times; assuming defensive use then you could get Path of Thorns three times and stack Armor of Gleaming Twilight with Brass-bound Bloodlust. RAW, the new Makresh hero with a Rod of Set, Brazier of the Eaten Sun, and his two enigma saves would need to be hit with at least three level 5 spells to ensure a kill with just magic.

Guys, my LGS are doing lore allowed tournies now and has a good deal on Lores. I'm really stuck between getting Ratehe or Kethen since I'm using a Red Throne army.

Who is better this edition? Ratehe or Kethen?

(also I heard Ilaics got nerfed bad, should I just give up and sell them or see what the Wastes of Ichorfel expansion brings?)

>>58653326
He's pretty much a tiny puppy in a spiked collar who shits all over the floor; you just can't help but love that edgy, retarded bastard and his enviable sense of optimism about his plans.

>>58653497
>should I just give up and sell them or see what the Wastes of Ichorfel expansion brings
you know it's going to have pest ogres right

>>58653458
>only worked well with a very specific trick build
I don't know what podunk bush league shit was going on at your store, but flypys and Kangstorm Engineers were fucking oppressive and obnoxious at my LGS for the entirety of 4th and 5th. I said good fucking riddance to Makresh munchkins when they all quit the hobby after 6th kicked them in the fucking teeth. Sadly now it looks like they've been thrown a bone and will no doubt return in droves to shit up the scene again.
>>58653497
Ratehe has better splinch survivability but Kethen is way better overall. Ratty No-Legs just can't catch a break this ed, in crunch or fluff.

>>58652749

In Forgotten Screams, he drowns that river tribe chick in his throne room. So... close enough?

PUPPET LALENA AND DIRGE EROMAC MODELS AND RULES CONFIRMED GUYS. GET HYPED.

>>58653614
I'll believe it when I field it.

>>58653561

My favorite thing is watching a Ratehefag get fucking steamrolled by Makreshi Duskwalker Sword-Magi or getting turned into a pincushion by River Tribe Rush tactics.

>>58653551
Not just pest ogres, but we finally get real, tangible rules for the Outcast as a subfaction. Imagine playing Abyssals without having to worry about Bloodpact making you susceptible to Holy Weapons, and without Blood Magic causing wounds on 4-5, only 6s.

Then add in pestilence ogres, too. Dealing plague clouds out every time they take a wound, and being able to take so many unlike the Gasbags that usually have the ability.

Plus Outcast Myrmidons can use Blood Magic Sanguine Planeshift to reliably teleport your ogres without killing themselves now, eliminating the ogres' movement weakness.

>>58653650
>this nigga

>>58653788
>>58653650
I don't get it

>>58653656

anyone who plays Ratehe, or Red Throne in general, and can't handle scrub level Rush, shouldn't be playing Red Throne in the first place. Stick to Silverglow if you really want elves, or otherwise Abyson

>>58653807
Lalena calls her dreamscape the Black Field

i just finished reading 'embracing sands' where Samir finally gets his mother Bahiyya's letter (20 years late but whatever) and I'm going to have to punch a wall to feel manly again. I can't imagine learning my mother died that way and my own dad used me as a weapon by manipulating my grief. this puts his killing of Fethea in a whole new light for me.

this is right up with Kethen tucking Lalena into bed and telling her good night and he would see her in the morning before he sealed her in crystal and sent her away to be hidden. I still get a bit teary thinking of that. Especially with how Tibbs describes Kethen sitting on his throne and only then, after the throne doors close and he's left alone, does he cry while clutching Lalena's doll and praying she would be alright. It was probably the best scene in the entire 'Prologue to the Fall' series and the best way to end that book.

10/10 Will Read Embracing Sands again, I'm glad we're seeing Tibbs get comfortable outside his usual factions.

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Daily reminder that Lunarians did nothing wrong and Abyssal mind control is not a good enough excuse for the elves to have done what they did.

>>58653869

You can keep saying that but the Silverglow fucks will NEVER admit their waifu-queen was wrong.

>>58653869
She's a pewter model not your waifu

>>58653561
>flypys and Kangstorm Engineers
That'd be the trick build. We called it "Rainin' Kangz." Ironically one of the best counters for it in 5th was the otherwise shitty Red Throne army with Ratehe; use Winds of Despair to scatter the engie deployment then pick them off one by one before they could regroup and start a buff cycle. The main issue with Rainin' Kangz was that while it was really good at short range firepower it's long range damage output was mediocre at best and it's defenses were entirely buff based. At the same time it costed so much that unless you were playing very high point games you couldn't afford much else but screening troops that had to stick close by. Draar Razorwings could easily tie down the pyramids, Lunarian Starforce Cannons with the right buffs could bring down Pyramid wholesale, Brass Caliphate could just load up a Shell Walker with Disbelievers and Death-Singers and attempt to rush the Engineers, even Rethalic could spam Sturmknecht and expect to survive a turn or two in the main damage zone. Really anything that could field hardy infantry/cavalry, rush, or spam artillery could beat it; it's reputation was build on the fact that River Tribes, Dread Legion, and Ilaic had huge troubles with it.

>>58653845
he's seriously the only consistent writer at the Tower of Toil. Green was good once, but lost his way with all the Makresh wank and then started writing exclusively about his waifu getting showered.
>tfw Tibbs signed my 1st edn copy of The Brass Staircase when I met him at a launch event
He's a great guy in person too, always has time for fans. On the tabletop he plays this mean Draar army, in a sick Mailed Fist Division paintjob. Not afraid to give you dirt on the other writers, either, did you know Snuk always carry an umbrella no matter the weather? What a fucking oddball

> be the infant daughter of a no-faction farmer
> entire village razed to the ground
> family forced to flee with nothing but the clothes on their backs
> slowly starve as your family runs
> cannibalism is considered, possibly engaged in given the scar on your leg
> accidentally cross into Red Throne territory
> family captured by Red Throne Reavers
> THE FUCKING RED THRONE KING HAPPENS TO BE HAVING A HUNTING PARTY
> Be presented as gifts by the local Reaver Lord.
> Red Throne King sees into your soul and decides you are now his child
> never see human family again
> forcefed the Liquor of Az-Avale
> experience happy years
> Fall of Kurthes starts
> Red Throne King seals you in a crystal to keep his stupid brother and Dread Legion from getting to you
> spend the next 400+ years in there while a puppet who looks like you fucks shit up
> nearly get melted alive by the 'good' elves
> temporarily used as a battery for the Bell-Walker
> sunk into the Bay of Shentsung for a few years
> used to scry the movements of Red Throne
> used as a fancy jewel centerpiece
> 9th edition rolls around and you're still in the crystal but at least you're adoptive dad has found you??

being Lalena isn't very fun I would think

>>58653954

Man I remember that. 5th edition had some weird shit going on, I remember that Rethalic Terrorshots had a chance of causing wounds thanks to fucky math despite literally being made to just decrease morale

>all cool lunarian lore retconned for maximum understanding by plebs
>lunarian giftmasks are now apparently space helmets (????????) and all the narrative tension about their true origins has been de facto resolved in the stupidest way possible
>CDs havent been properly updated in like 4 release cycles
>no naked CD designs anymore
all i want is to play an army with 1.cool magic 2.unique mechanics 3.weird lore
seriously considering just going full Makresh necro at this point

>>58654152

bring back Trevor, he knew how to write Lunarian lore.

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>>58654058
It's more like
>Be me
>Be in crystal
>???
>Eventually get out?
It's heavily implied she can barely remember her birth family enough to mourn them and time passes strangely in the crystal so she's gonna come out barely changed anyway.
Can't wait to see the delicious reaction when daddy realizes that Sumarhk's court has been buggering him because they want to eat his daughter's soul, not actually crush his kingdom. And technically Aorban safeguards the crystal and has the only other key so Court Magisters and Polymorphs can just glass him and take it. They're already in the palace anyway.

>Corrupted Lalena Succubus model when

>>58654169
>>Corrupted Lalena Succubus model when

god no, we already got to deal with the lolicons with Puppet of Lalena confirmation.

The great thing about the Sumarhk plotline is that they decided to get behind Ratehe of all people. So not only is Sumarhk going to fail, it's probably going to be due to some stupid decision of Ratehe's catching up to them.

>>58654152
>an army with 1.cool magic 2.unique mechanics 3.weird lore
>Makresh necro
It's got some cool aesthetics but c'mon man, it's a basic-tier playstyle whose lore is generic Egypt fantasy as filtered through an ex-Christian fundie with parental issues.

>>58654169
>cuvari sleepwalkers have bras now
do you really think a new lalena won't be a raging disappointment

>>58652749
Okzy but let's be honest who isn't 100% gay for Azavale

Red Throne Elves looked at the Dark Eldar and went "hmm, well, A for effort! How about we give you a proper demonstration on being fucking psychotic bloodthirsty cannibalistic hedonistic necromancy and Deep Magic using assholes".

And yet they still have more sympathetic and enjoyable characters than Silverglow, Ilaic, and almost all the River Tribe Clans. Makresh and Brass Caliphate also have more sympathetic characters than Silverglow, Ilaic, and River Tribe. What the fuck is going on?

>>58654339

Sumarhk is afraid and explicitly trying to find a way to avoid Azavale by becoming a god of another world, if I remember right, using the current material plane as a buffer between them.

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>Be me
>Ladzun, river tribe chad
>So tired of killing every single person I've ever fought that I look for bigger game
>Find giant angry demon guy trapped in a hole
>He asks me to let him out
>No
>Angel shows up
>"Hey Ladzun, help me kill this obviously evil demon."
>Get empowered
>Beat his beta ass
>Leave him in hole without killing him because I'm an idiot
>Angel gets mad
>"Tough luck kiddo."
>Kill him
>6 years later
>Demon got out of hole
>Murders my entire family
>Murders my entire village
>Murders my entire tribe
>Hunt him down
>Can't hurt him because River tribe arrows Don't get bonus to wound nonhumans until next edition
>Run away like a beta
Ladzun did everything wrong refusing help from the Orionim and he paid the price for it. Ghallaghardzu is free and Ladzun could have stopped it. For a hero with such massive bonuses to terrify saves he sure as shit gave up on that fight easily.

>>58654379

I guess they finally got tired of him being the posterboy for 'RIVER TRIBE HERO' and decided to make him lose for once.

Although to Ghallaghardzu? Did they even bother checking the stats? Even Rahete or an Draar Whipspine could crush him.

>>58654292
i actually completely agree but if i'm minmaxing for unkillable infinite-reanimate-loop aoe spam zombie kangwizards, im at least sometimes winning matches

>>58654353
Jan Kurzow, who wrote the Silverglow trilogy, thought that writing licensed tie-in fiction was beneath him so we got three books of nothing but complete assholes being assholes to each other while talking about how great they are for being an asshole. Seriously, read the Arvanadale Sage series he wrote a couple years after leaving the company, it's one of those deconstruction fantasy series and has a pretty much direct copy of his his version of Silverglow getting torn down by his self-insert protagonist.

>>58654339

to be honest I want to start a Red Throne army just for ___best trap Kethen___ and the cool models of Azavale priests, deep mages, and necromancers.

I didn't even know Kethen was a dude until I started reading the lore.

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>>58654435
Read again
>Abyssal Lord
>Whenever Ghallaghardzu slays an enemy unit, he gains an extra wound save and an extra armor point until the start of your next turn. If that enemy unit was unwounded, he gains two of each instead.
and he just got done killing 100+ people. There was no way anyone could take him after being empowered that much, regardless of his ranged deficiency, his burrowing can catch up to any unit sans flyers fast enough for Rend to kill them if they aren't bolstered. And his Titan's Scythes can destroy cover rendering Ladzun's biggest advantage null. It's a pure flavor win.

>>58654553

using River Tribe Rush tactics turns him into a fat chopped up corpse, and Ladzun gives a +2 bonus to that for any related units.

>mfw rush tactics are nerfed this edition

fucking why

>>58654664
Because some people enjoy games that last longer than 10 minutes and enjoy fielding models other than Spore Slingers and River Tribe mongos

>>58654684

fuck you, Lunarianfag.

So, what were your faces when you found out Kethen was a man?

>>58654773

If you actually paid attention to the lore and fluff provided and literally everything that calls him 'The Red Throne King', you wouldn't be so fucking surprised, anon.

just finished a weird 2000 point game, Brass Caliphate versus Silverglow/Iliac Soup. I can honestly say that Brass Caliphate defense is fucking OP. Roc-wall and Disbelievers are the most ridiculous shit ever.

>>58654744
>run Brass Caliphate with huge blocks of High City Guards with Shield Slaves
>laugh as the River Tribe Rushers throw themselves upon me to be murdered
Once I threw in two squads of Cataphracts and killed half my opponents units by turn 2.

>>58654918

Cataphracts are fucking OP and you know it anon.

what are you favorite factions, guys?

>>58654988
t. River Tribe Rusher
t. Ilaic arty spammer
t. Dread Legion blob monster

Pick an army with decent anti-cavalry.

Rate my Relic Vale skirmish force please

5x Vespid Adepts with 3 Bee Swarm each 390pts
4x Viragos with Obsidian Spears 480pts
1x Virago & Hellcat with Saber Fangs 220pts
4x Chasmosaur Daffadars with Fossil Lances 560pts
1x Relic Chelonis 50pts
1x Hornet Queen 300pts

Daffadars absolutely wreck face. I know a lot of people prefer Hunter's Senses on their Hellcats (or run more than one) but camouflaged units haven't really been a problem for me with the Viragos' dodge saves. The Chelonis was kind of an afterthought but I think the model is cute, I use it to (literally) turtle for Hornet Queen since I lack any kind of tarpit other than the bees.

>>58655139

I'd trade the Hornet Queen for the Fox Baron, to be honest, but if you're going up against of Iliac, Red Throne, Draar, or Eromacs I think you probably have the best Relic Vale build you could have against them. I know Vale got hit hard this edition, but you've proven you can still make viable builds out of it regardless of what the whiny assholes on the forums think.

>>58655181
even though he has fucking 15 BS??? i'd probably switch the chel for vespid hivekeeper and leave HQ alone

>>58640576
>letting them charge
>being this new

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>>58651672
>meanwhile in the third sea

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>mfw people think Thanacaustics are worse than Shrikers
You're saying that a faction with automatic tarpits is somehow worse than the single most braindead rush faction? Get the fuck out of my game, degenerates.

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anyone know when the Pirate Kings will get support, I just want to make people walk the plank

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>>58653329
>selaya GreenHeart
>The only good Pirate Hero
>Is essentially immortal in a duel
>Can tarpitt demons
>"Dirty mouth" lol
>is a bad bitch who don't need no honor guard
>laugh as she tarpitts for eternity.

>>58648528
>Some of their support units work well as screens.
Their Rabble you mean? They can only do that because they also have a Satrap close by, otherwise they fail their Incontinence checks and rout very easily.

Or do you refer to the Priestly Cadets? Well, I guess they can take a hit, but unless they're mounted or have a Water Priest around, they're too slow to work as effective screens.

Either way, their objective carry is barely anything special, everyone wants to play either Extermination or Hold the Line anyway, so your opponent must be stupid or very confident to let you play Looting or Hostage-taking.

>>58655049
>Decent anti-cavalry
This is basically the Cavalry & Shooters Edition, finding a good anti-cavalry requires Diogenes' lantern

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So when are they going to buck up and admit that fucked over us Ethereal players with the edition transition? I shouldn't have to pay double the point cost to put my entire army on my side table, except for my Sorceress, in order to Warp units in after deployment.

I'm honestly really annoyed at how bad they made Warp.

>>58640150
No one plays Nomads anyway.

tell me about your dudes
>been playing sumenor evictors since 4th ed
>brightly colored knight theme with a bunch of 3rd party parts
I dont win many games but at least I get lots of complements on the paint jobs
people are too used to monochromatic evictors

>>58656750
oh wow automatic tarpits
too bad they cant kill anything because >reflex 2
wow so overpowered
a wheelbarrow of centipedes is a more lethal threat in close combat

>>58655049
dreamguards have knightmare splinterlances which are pretty great anti-cavalry-cavalry
30in move with strength+7 and protection+2 and rerolling hits on the charge
it's just fighting fire with fire though
plus you'll get called a cuvarishitter though especially if make list soup from different orders

>>58654848
just use crusaders
they're literally a fluffy hard counter
get some Templaris Annihilators and ally them with your Silverglow Shieldmaidens and you have an unstoppable force of "fuck you" if you can get them into close combat
>tfw marching 1000pts of Shieldmaidens and Annihilators up the middle of the board and raping infidels with +2 blessed flambergs

>>58640150
I'm having so much fun playing with wargame with the friends that I totally have!

>play abyssals
>amazing lore but units are so fucking expensive
>play river tribes
>every think your a powergamming faggot
>play any nomad
> LMAO hope you like pariah riles ;)
>play eromacs
>shit lore and half my guys get nuked by heros
>play rethalic
>be forced into playing the magic game and listenong to people complaining when my archmagus starts to nuke shit
>play red throne
>get exiled by the lore fags for playing the edgy faction
>play dickass elf
>get exiled by lore fags for playing the faction built around waifus
Please help

Just quit 40k and looking for a new wargame
used to play tau
what's a good faction that I can adapt my playstyle to?

>>58656762
Never ever, the 2nd Edition had them butchered and captured by basically anyone with access to the sea. That, and designers outright said they had no idea how to create an army that wasn't completely retarded in concept (they wanted to have parrottmen to replace humans entirely, to the point captains had human babies clinging to their shoulder) and they felt that their theme barely fit the setting anyways.

>>58657737
River Tribes, that's what you are looking for. Almost an 1:1 even.

>>58657790
>river tribes
sounds like gay swamp people
sell me on them

>>58657737
Rover tribes if you want the shooty shit
Abyssals if you want the big mechs beating the shit out of an army

>scream wizards

>>58657835
What about them?
they're a fun army
I like to scream everything I say when playing an opponent
it's so funny lol
AAAAAAH xD

>>58657806
Chad barbarians who have superhuman archers blessed and mothered by the water nymphs
They give no shits about civilization and activly shit on almost any army that crosses there border in lore
If you want to reenact the battle of teutoburg forest every game play river tribes

>>58654829
Didn't they get some prophecy from the Dreamguard like "No man of mortal blood could rise to take it's power," or something like that? Or was that the "Blue Throne" the Lunarians made in one of their earlier books?

>go on wiki binge
>find out that Vyvialla the Lost was Kethen and Ratehes stepmother

First of all, how the fuck.
Second, I'd like to play mouse at that family dinner table.

>>58657835
Thank God they aren't overpowered, can you imagine the average Munchkin taking the "spells do double damage if you shout" optional rule to the extreme?

>>58653329
>Favorite heroes
Definitely Wayfarer. Rides a T. rex, canonically fucks all the bitches, and the only non-magical hero who's actually worth his point cost on the table.

>>58657205
>I shouldn't have to pay double the point cost to put my entire army on my side table, except for my Sorceress, in order to Warp units in after deployment.
Why would you ever want to do that? Warp is for summoning emergency units or putting them in inconvenient spots for the enemy. You were never supposed to keep your whole army on the side table, which is why they nerfed it.

>>58658898

Who doesn't live a psycho half-eldritch elf babe, anon?

>>58657704

Silverglow elves are not lewd! They are a proud and noble species defending all of existence!!

Lol nice dedgame.
You fags should get with the times and start playing Destiny Star Battles. Third edition is hitting in two weeks.

>>58660278
m8, no-one's ever going to play a strategy game that uses D4s exclusively.

>>58660278

When you're such a Lunarian fag you got to play a game where the main faction are blatant copypastes of the Lunarians straight down to the giftmasks and HQs

>>58657618
>Wheelbarrow of centipedes
go to bed old man, it hasn't been a viable model since 3rd ed. Another great piece of River Tribe lore ruined by muh knightz n elves fags. Wish they would just go play Elderspyre.

>>58657704
play makresh anon, everyone loves us trust me
nobody at my LGS can get over the old FlyPy cheese 7 years on

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>>58660278
>I bought 600 D4s and now I never get to use them so I'll put people down for their choice in superior games with actual playerbases.

>>58662292
>with actual player bases
I suppose a horde of screaming twelve year olds spamming tech raptors does technically count as a playerbase.

>be me
>playing army of darkness
>opponnent is using celestials
>Vampyre Overlord gets ambushed by group of cherubs
>They use their celestial magic to banish vampyre overlord
>Ohshit.png
>They fail hard
>I laugh as the vampyre overlord unleashes a horde of wereworgs to destroy his soyboy angels
How will celestial fags ever recover????

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Ctrl+F

>Not one player with Screaming Goat Wizards

What the flying fuck do you lot think you are doing?!

It's like the only way to play, have fun and win at the same time.

>>58662678
They are just scream wizards with a new skin

>>58662678
People were already talking about Scream Wizards, read the thread. Also Vocalists are better than Goat Wizards anyway.

>>58640150
>rethalic empire
Cry into my economic base river boi, I'm sure it'll stop the silk trade eventually.

>>58657704
Play army of the night, anon. They got cool necromancy spells and Oleg is the most underated hero, people overlook how much shit he caused in the east that they call him the devil king, let's not forget he banged the emerald empress too.

>>58662678
We're not in Kansas anymore, literally.

Sure, the whole licensing debacle in the mid-west is a mess, but is an officially licensed FNGS really the only outlet in town? Never heard of eBay?
Or is the owner that kind of asshole who doesn't allow stuff that wasn't bought at his store? Are you that asshole?

Yo anybody got that paint image of a shitshow thread where the OP is crying blood at the end, most of the generals have one. I'd like to edit one for this trashfire.

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>Ctrl-F Orbs
>Not a single mention of new orb units
Guys have you not seen this shit? The new orbs are fucking hilarious. They get 2 more Rolls per phase now and got an extra Bump.

>>58663433
Fuck off, orbfag. Nobody cares about your spherical lore.

>>58663581
I bet you're a Yeezian player. You shits wouldn't even have your tech without Orbs.

>>58660026
>Why would you ever want to do that?
Because I started playing in 4e, when Warping your entire army in at once was the only way to actually survive against Army of the Night as an Ethereal player.

>>58663433

Yeah but they're so costly, wtf. Unless you're playing some sort of 4000 point game, they just suck up space and will get thrashed by any Makreshi unit that even looks at them funny.

I unironically run Gnarg Bombers in my army.
And win :^)

For real tho, i went and found the old Google Doc from 6 months ago when we had like 3 thread of this kicked off.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RXgQqmS5Nn5p3LMh1R4Pwq41N2HTFD-suZ3NTDBjk6E/edit?usp=sharing

I can't believe they actually made it canon that Red Throne elves are the actual original elves and Silverglow are the 'corrupted' ones. Who ever heard of being 'corrupted by good'?

Does this mean that literally all Elves have Abyssal or Chasm Souls then and Brass Caliphate Empirean-Bell and Rethalic Archaeweb cannons should work on all of them?

>>58664111
That's because since you can have your cavalry target dragons and Orionim using things like Fossil Lance and Rider's Longblade, nobody bothers to bring dedicated anti-air beyond their regular ranged units.

Come up against somebody running Windguiders or a Gazer Sphinx and they'll fuck you.

>>58663711
>Implying anyone would ever play such shit faction
I actually feel insulted that you think i'd touch them, faggots can't even do magic right.

>>58664297
>Gazer Sphinx
>not splashing for one unit of Mirrershelds every time

Guess your local meta is shit then.

Just wanted to say I've never heard a bunch of more entitled fuckfaces on the forum. Of course Joshua Lamarck was going to step out from finishing 9th ed, his wife died from cancer. The man needs time to grieve and adjust to being a single father of three, not death threats from entitled neckbeards going "MUH RIVER TRIBES" "MUH ILIAC" "MUH SILVERGLOW"

>>58665162

oh shit Cheryl died? I loved her art in 8th edition and the concepts she did for all the mecha of the Brass Caliphate. I thought her cancer went into remission though?

>>58656934
>finding a good anti-cavalry requires Diogenes' lantern
Even within those three armies I listed you have decent anti-cavalry options. It's just that everyone wants to run cheese lists then complain when their opponent exploits the weakness in those lists. Ilaic has a bunch of anti-cav stuff, but no one ever brings them to the table because "MUH BOMBARDS, MUH PIEPLATES" because God forbid they learn a tactic.

>>58664168
>Rethalic
>having anything good happen to them ever

>>58665162
Maybe he wouldn't get people bitching at him if he didn't start a completely retarded overhaul of Ilaic lore and units and then leave in the middle of it without bothering to hand over his notes. Because why not retcon in the existence of an ancient High King returned to what was canonically a federation of nobles run as a democratic oligarchy. Sure the Ilaic has only been around for about 200 years and the area was formerly controlled by the Red Throne, but that's okay; we'll just have some guy in 900lbs of plate armor looking like a 13 year old's Warcraft lore fanfic OC show up, have half the nobles swear fealty to him, mention a civil war that is resolved in three sentences, kill off all the named hero units, and not make models for any of the new named units. Oh and you know what every army based on early modern era armies with guns and cannon needs? Pointy hat wizards and stereotypical fantasy knights that don't synergize with the rest of the army at all but now take up valuable hierarchy slots. That's not even getting into the fact that High King Yeorion, Lord of Ilaic, the Lion Reborn is a complete gimmick hero who requires you to lose units and put him directly in harms way if you want any utility out of him.

>>58665923

Tibbs said in his blog that he did hand over his notes but Trevor ordered a total rewrite weeks before it printed and nobody is saying who did it, personally i think it was He Who Faps To Lunarian Snuff

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GUYS, CHECK THE WIKI, SOME ALIEN UNITS GOT LEAKED

>brak stone golems
>fucking combining brak stone golems, we /voltron/ now
>you can field what is basically a tornado made of glass as special cavalry, rip rivercucks
>caster hq with enough terrain manipulation to change fucking tables mid fight
>monoliths, for when you just want to toss a fucking hill at people
>they brought back geomantic formation rules and this time they're not fucking retarded

I'M FUCKING DIAMONDS GUYS

EXPO CAN'T COME ANY SOONER

>>58665923

To be honest, Iliac being nomads is a way better fate then whatever Red Throne would have done to them.

Isn't Lalena from an Iliac aligned village?

>>58667013

I literally cannot get anymore erect, anon. Please stop.

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>playing anything other than first edition
Listen here faggots, I've been playing this game since 1st edition and it's just gone downhill since. Every announcement brings the hype and then upon release it's the same dumpster fire trash.

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>>58662950
Here you go anon. I even found a board appropriate one.

>>58662950
>>58668024
bamp

>>58665193
>Ilaic has a bunch of anti-cav stuff
Oh yeah, their oh-so-famous billhook users,they're great at killing ranged cavalry. Pity that NOBODY FIELDS THAT.

>>58667013
>you can field what is basically a tornado made of glass as special cavalry, rip rivercucks
You wish. They'll just get a new FAQ that gives them sonic arrows or some shit to justify their archers not dying to that.

>>58667013
>you can field what is basically a tornado made of glass as special cavalry
Wonder how that's going to fit the cavalry duel meta. How do you countercharge a tornado?

>>58673716
You don't. Just field a unit of Cataphracts with a Sandcaster Sergeant. Build up sand counters, cast heals, tarpit for ages.

>>58667024
No, it's never mentioned where she's from but what little bits of her history we get would imply that she's from Rethalic.

>>58672223
Billhook are anti-infantry, anti-cav is pikemen. Doesn't matter, good luck finding anyone who doesn't run a three deep line of gonnemen across the entire board then complain when even the weakest cav units can break though.

>>58676527
And what about the rest of us?

inb4 "just play Brass Caliphate"

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Bump for Relic Vale

>frontier dukes codex came out
>still no new models or rules for using Steel Rangers

I just want some durable infantry for my mobile army without having to use the retarded Stone Hunters. At least Cannon Chariot is still usable.

>>58640150
everything is so well balanced and affordable.

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>>58663433
>orb units
>in 9e

Have fun getting destroyed by any player that happens to have a single wallshielder - and guess what, if they don't have one you're better off using snap rollers since those don't even get hit by resonance counters. Orbs are literally useless.

>>58673716
It does jack shit damage to anything with armour (again, rip rivercucks), and mostly exists to counter missiles and tarpit infantry. So again, you don't, you just run around it and go for the backline while trying not to let it countercharge you.

THIN YOUR PAINTS

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>>58655139
If you drop two of the Daffadars and one Virago you can bring in a Piscator Guardian instead. I know the model is expensive since it's a Skald Market exclusive but there's plenty of similar models out there you can use to proxy it and people in most stores won't mind.

>>58681646
Buddy, I'm sorry, but your faction is, and always has been, a Tau-tier Caliphate knock-off without the Tau's "but they're getting more powerful every day" angle. You got one novel series as a "here's what's going on in the rest of the world while the elves ruin everything" deal where they got promoted from footnote to actually important, and that somehow got a model line whose sales figures almost died with the novel hype. The devs don't care anymore. Take it from me: it's better if you just accept it and move on.

>t. me, a salty piratefag

>>58681646
Long-standing home rules are the de facto common-law rules when you're talking about Steel Rangers. Whatever your community thinks is best is how you use them. Because the rules as written, all two sentences of them, simply do not make sense.

Are pikes worth it? I know they're great at anti-cav, but I've heard that they're pretty awful at anything else. Do I just sit them in front of my ranged units and hope the other players get fed up and charge me?

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Mfw just get done rubbing it out to some choice Sylvia, Exlied Iliac Princess rule 34. This game has godtier fanservice

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>>58694057
>pikes
>in 9th ed
ISHYGDDT

>>58694238
See, this is why I asked. I've not played since 4th ed and trying to determine what is and isn't viable is impossible with all these new units. What should I take to stop cav fucking my ranged units then?

>>58694398
It’s point heavy, but if you’re deadset on beating cavalry, take the infantry square feat. You can just sit back and watch cavfags get btfo

>>58694057
>Do I just sit them in front of my ranged units and hope the other players get fed up and charge me?
Ignore >>58694238, yes, that's exactly what you do. The cavalry meta is strong so pikes can let you fuck over Abyssals and Vale easy. The problem is that you'll just get wrecked by Riverfags for obvious reasons, and that it isn't effective against Brass Caliphate cavalry with Alloy Plating, so most people don't build armies around it.